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At nuclear summit, Obama snubs an ally

Forty-seven world leaders are Barack Obama’s guests in Washington Tuesday at the nuclear security summit. Obama is holding bilateral meetings with just 12 of them. That’s led to some awkward exclusions -- and some unfortunate appearances, as well.

One of those left out was Mikheil Saakashvili, president of Georgia, who got a phone call from Obama last week instead of a meeting in Washington. His exclusion must have prompted broad smiles in Moscow, where Saakashvili is considered public enemy no. 1 -- a leader whom Russia tried to topple by force in the summer of 2008. After all, Obama met with Viktor Yanukovych, the president of Ukraine and a friend of the Kremlin. And he is also meeting with the leaders of two of Georgia’s neighbors -- Armenia and Turkey, both of which enjoy excellent relations with Russia.

So is Saakashvili -- a democratically elected leader whose ambition is to lead his country into NATO -- being snubbed in order to please Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev? The White House would insist no. The summit is about nuclear security; Yanukovych got an appointment because Ukraine agreed to give up 60 tons of highly enriched uranium that it now uses in research reactors. Turkey and Armenia are seeing Obama because the administration hopes to press them to move forward with an agreement on opening borders -- a deal that would benefit everyone in the Caucasus.

Still, Saakashvili’s exclusion from the bilateral schedule is striking considering his strong support for U.S. interests, such as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Georgia sent as many as 2,000 troops from its tiny army to Iraq. It will soon have nearly 1,000 in Afghanistan; 750 are being sent to fight under U.S. command. U.S. envoy Richard Holbrooke noted last month that Georgia’s per capita troop contribution would be the highest of any country in the world.

Obama thanked Saakashvili for that help in their phone call last week. But according to a Georgian account of the call, Obama didn’t say anything about Georgia’s aspiration to join NATO, or about Georgia’s interest in buying defensive weapons from the United States, in order to deter a repeat of the 2008 Russian invasion. “It’s a work in progress,” Saakashvili said of his defense talks with the administration during a meeting with Post editors and reporters Monday. “It’s a step-by-step approach. It takes time.”

Saakashvili, at least, is better off than another neighbor, Ilham Aliev of Azerbaijan -- who wasn’t invited to attend the summit at all. Azeri officials protested, pointing out that the country’s location between Iran and Russia makes it relevant for any consideration of trafficking in nuclear materials. But the White House appeared to calculate that the presence of Aliev might detract from its efforts to push the Turkey-Armenia accord. On such esoteric calculations is a president’s summit schedule built.

By Jackson Diehl  | April 13, 2010; 11:40 AM ET
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Our fascinating young president is still learning on the job.

Posted by: johnson0572 | April 13, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Supported Bush? Democratic? Want into NATO? Don't like Russia? Boy, how screwed are you!

Posted by: arik67 | April 13, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Why are America's allies nervous ? Think Georgia, Israel, Poland, Britain, Honduras, Columbia...

Why are America's enemies and rivals smiling ?

Think Iran, North Korea, Syria, Russia, China...

I really really miss George W. Bush.

Posted by: pvilso24 | April 13, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

This is the same guy who started a war with Russia during the 2008 campaign and got his clock cleaned. If McCain would have been in Office then we might have troops over there right now. Get a life, this guy is no ally of ours.

Posted by: MikeV2 | April 13, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Does Jackson Diehl know that the state of Georgia is far more important than the country of Georgia or is he more interested in picking specks off a fly's wing?

Posted by: boveri | April 13, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Wait a minute!

Barack Obama treated an America ally shabbily and bowed yet again to another enemy leader?

(Or at least a totalitarian, Communist and pretty unfriendly leader, if not necessarily an "enemy" -- they are our bankers after all).

Stop the presses!!!

This has only happened about "umpteen" times so far.

Personally, I like to call the days when Obama disses our allies and supplicates himself to our enemies "weekdays."

What a joke this amateur is. I would laugh if his actions weren't so inherently dangerous.

Posted by: etpietro | April 13, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Obama is so naive and so hungry to be liked, he will throw old friends under the bus to appease our enemies!!!
Don't send a community organizer to do a Man's Job!!

Posted by: thornegp2626 | April 13, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

"Viktor Yanukovych will use the presidency to steer his country away from the West. Actually, that suits Obama very well." Articles like this by Mr. Matthews are plenty on Internet. The sellout of the Ukrainian people, people of Poland and Czech - it's all "incremental", indeed. Georgia - being accused by Putin's Russia in "helping terrorists" in Chechniya (that same old Chechnya fighting for freedom the best it can) - waiting for Russian Army to use it as a reason to occupy it again any moment - that, too, is very incremental. The whole Polish anti-communist elite killed on Russian plane, repaired in Russia 3 months ago, short of landing on Russian airport led by Russian air-controllers - and yet every article reveals no more than "according to Russian investigators" or "Mr. Putin said..", making everybody think that it was Polish pilot's fault or Polish President's - in advance. It's all very miniscule. As long as Mr. Putin is pleased, USA can turn blind eye to anything. The problem is that what goes around comes around. Mr. Obama can not be naive to think that Mr. Putin will help USA with Iran or anything else, he is way too bisy working on bringing old good USSR together, piece by piece. Mr.Obama turned USA's back to all these "incremental" countries for nothing. It's a shame!

Posted by: nicki3 | April 13, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Its is amazing to me that people cannot see the political reality for what it is and recognize that Obama is doing a masterful job of dealing with what is, rather than what the neo-cons and Obama haters want it to be.

It is in America's interest to get an agreement dealing with rouge nations like Iran and N. Korea.

Georgia has no nuclear weapons. The only effect that having a meeting with Georgia's president would have is to make it less likely that Obama could accomplish what he needs to accomplish in this summit.

Posted by: reussere | April 13, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

from Harper's, on Diehl's self absorption and flat out ignorance..

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/04/sb-20070429swyl

""I went back and examined Diehl’s columns on Iraq and, as expected, the Post’s resident foreign affairs guru has been wrong on just about every key issue surrounding the Iraq war. Make an inventory of every cliché ever uttered about Iraq by war advocates, every hysterical charge of the global threat posed by Saddam Hussein—you’ll find them all in Diehl’s writings. You’ll also find that Diehl didn’t seem to consider that serious problems might arise in the aftermath of an invasion. When they did, he didn’t acknowledge that his own analysis might have been flawed, but instead blamed poor execution by the Bush Administration for everything he failed to foresee. Apparently, if Diehl had been deputized to run the war things would have turned out differently.""

Bottom line, Diehl is an idiot.

Posted by: paulserrano | April 13, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

"Viktor Yanukovych will use the presidency to steer his country away from the West. Actually, that suits Obama very well." Articles like this by Mr. Matthews are plenty on Internet. The sellout of the Ukrainian people, people of Poland and Czech - it's all "incremental", indeed. Georgia - being accused by Putin's Russia in "helping terrorists" in Chechniya (that same old Chechnya that had about 1/3 of its population exterminated by Russia, fighting for freedom the best it can) - waiting for Russian Army to use it as a reason to occupy it again any moment - that, too, is very incremental. The whole Polish anti-communist elite killed on Russian plane, repaired in Russia 3 months ago, short of landing on Russian airport led by Russian air-controllers - and yet every article reveals no more than "according to Russian investigators" or "Mr. Putin said..", making everybody think that it was Polish pilot's fault or Polish President's - in advance. It's all very miniscule. As long as Mr. Putin is pleased, USA can turn blind eye to anything. The problem is that what goes around comes around. Mr. Obama can not be naive to think that Mr. Putin will help USA with Iran or anything else, he is way too busy working on bringing old good USSR together, piece by piece. Mr.Obama turned USA's back to all these "incremental" countries for nothing. It's a shame!

Posted by: nicki3 | April 13, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

There is something that bug me about this shakishvillie dude. Could it be because he was a Bush ally an d NOT, a US ally?????

Posted by: wrock76taolcom | April 13, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

When confronting American citizens who take exception to his Socialistic polices, Obama tilts his head back and, with disdain, looks down his nose at his detractors. BUT, when in the presence of those whom he recognizes as world leaders sympathetic to his policies, as if psychologically compelled to acknowledge his own illegitimacy, Obama instinctively BOWS to his sycophants. The dignity of the American Presidency has been tarnished beyond reparation. Greg Neubeck

Posted by: gneubeck | April 13, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

This is a completely bogus editorial intended for people who don't know the facts and can't think. Saakashvili is in fact an ardent admirer of Obama, and last night on NPR spoke about Obama in glowing terms. He's also a pragmatist and stated unequivocally that he and the President are working very closely behind the scenes. And as a pragmatist, Saakashvili knows that keeping the US-Russian relationship on an even keel is paramount. It appears that this editorialist is just grasping for straws. I wonder what his next gripe will be? That Obama's tie knots weren't sufficiently Presidential? By posting such gibberish, the WaPo is just a few printing presses away from the trashier Washington Times.

Posted by: jaysit | April 13, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

"....leader whom Russia tried to topple by force in the summer of 2008"....Mr. DIEHL that is not what happened............President Saakashvili was the aggressor ...come on sate your opinion but do not make up history

Posted by: fjonescht | April 13, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Given the topic being discussed, I would guess that having Russia participate without the Georgia problem clouding their agenda would be a good thing. Sounds like the right move to me.

Posted by: cdierd1944 | April 13, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Another example of sophisticated, nuanced multilateral diplomacy by our boy president. I am in awe of his deft skills. And so tactful too!

Posted by: ShovelPlease | April 13, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

The snubbing of small and less significant allies in pursuit of significant diplomatic achievements with large dangerous countries is ok with me.

Posted by: almorganiv | April 13, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

"....leader whom Russia tried to topple by force in the summer of 2008"....Mr. DIEHL that is not what happened............President Saakashvili was the aggressor ...come on state your opinion but do not make up history

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But why, oh why should Mr. Diehl be held to a different standard than any other Republican blowhard, shill, etc?

Hell, these are the same guys that went into Iraq based on phony evidence of WMDs.

They will make up facts, history, and anything else they darned well please if it serves their primary purpose -- to strike fear into the heart of the average American.

Of course, they won't have any solutions to any of the fears they stoke. That is unless you count starting a bogus war that has killed thousands of our young soldiers.

Bring back the draft with no deferments. Only then can we get these neocon hawks to put their money where there mouths are.

Posted by: lincolnhunt | April 13, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Why are America's allies nervous ? Think Georgia, Israel, Poland, Britain, Honduras, Columbia...
Why are America's enemies and rivals smiling ?
Think Iran, North Korea, Syria, Russia, China...
I really really miss George W. Bush.
Posted by: pvilso24 | April 13, 2010 1:27 PM
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Thanks for the comic relief.

America's standing in the world is the highest its been in at least 9 years.

What did Bush do with regards to Iran and North Korea? As I recall, North Korea set off a couple of nukes during little George's watch.

Posted by: Richard18 | April 13, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

I think this is the third or fourth article that you mention the word "Snubbing" or "Snub." And that has been a trend with some of the more hawkish (read: neocons) that write for the Washington Post. Yes, we get it...you have an agenda and the more you use this word the more you think others will agree with you. Nice try.

Posted by: ovwong | April 13, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Dear Sirs,
Putin has his TOPOL missiles.
They can take evasive against ABM'.
They were developed while Bush was president and Palin was governor!
It was President Reagan, not Obama, who placed a wreath at a Nazi cemetery in Bitburg, Germany!
Where were our "hawks" then?
Whatever happened to "trust, but verify?"
Clifford Spencer

Posted by: yankeefan1925 | April 13, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Given the topic being discussed, I would guess that having Russia participate without the Georgia problem clouding their agenda would be a good thing. Sounds like the right move to me.
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Its a no-brainer, except for the mentally challenged on the Right.

Russia has thousands of Nukes. The former Soviet satelites on whom Russia exerts a huge influence have enriched uranium.

Anyone who can't see the value of negotiating with Russia vs. Georgia when it comes to nuclear weapons needs to have their head examined.

Posted by: Richard18 | April 13, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

"This is the same guy who started a war with Russia during the 2008 campaign and got his clock cleaned. If McCain would have been in Office then we might have troops over there right now. Get a life, this guy is no ally of ours."

Posted by: MikeV2

Precisely. Saakashvilli swung for the fences on the assumption the U.S.A. would jump in and back him up - either an assumption he arrived at independently, or was breathed into his ear by a fat old white guy from the previous administration, who visited just a few days before things kicked off. For whatever reason, the imagined support didn't appear, and Georgia got a new one ripped. That's what happens every time when you take on somebody too big for you, all things being equal.

It's OK to call Saakashvilli an ally, as opposed to an enemy, but stop making out like the next colour/plant revolution was derailed because a great hero was allowed to fight impossible odds unassisted. You don't need any more stupid, belligerent allies who can't count.

Posted by: marknesop | April 13, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

If the Chinese leader had bowed back it would have been okay, but he didn't. Wonder why? So much for winning back the respect of the world. Unfortunately, no one in the world respects blatant naivety.

Posted by: star_key2 | April 13, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

It's been almost a whole week since the neocons did the "Obama doesn't get along with foreign leaders" schtick. The last one was Krauthammer. Before that it was Cohen. Nobody's buying it by the way.

If I remember correctly, didn't NetenYahoo skip out on this meeting. Seems to me he snubbed everyone - especially Obama.... again!!!

Posted by: kurthunt | April 13, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Given the topic being discussed, I would guess that having Russia participate without the Georgia problem clouding their agenda would be a good thing. Sounds like the right move to me.
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Its a no-brainer, except for the mentally challenged on the Right.
Russia has thousands of Nukes. The former Soviet satelites on whom Russia exerts a huge influence have enriched uranium.
Anyone who can't see the value of negotiating with Russia vs. Georgia when it comes to nuclear weapons needs to have their head examined.
Posted by: Richard18 | April 13, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse
LOL that is unless some terrorist org. gets a hold of some radioactive material left behind in Georgia and uses it on the US or some other country. Then I wonder what you two id10t’s would say. Grow up. No wonder you agree with Obama. All three of you have the mind set of a child.

Posted by: askgees | April 13, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

This article is right wing claptrap. Obama used his time to meet with the largest and most powerful players, those with the most weapons in play, as would anyone in his shoes. Diehl really had to stretch to somehow justify claiming that a call rather than a meeting with one of the smaller participants, ally or not, is somehow a "snub".

Posted by: rapchat1 | April 13, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Its is amazing to me that people cannot see the political reality for what it is and recognize that Obama is doing a masterful job of dealing with what is, rather than what the neo-cons and Obama haters want it to be.

It is in America's interest to get an agreement dealing with rouge nations like Iran and N. Korea.

Georgia has no nuclear weapons. The only effect that having a meeting with Georgia's president would have is to make it less likely that Obama could accomplish what he needs to accomplish in this summit.

Posted by: reussere
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Problem number one with your argument, Iran wasn't invited to the summit.

Problem number two with your argument, North Korea wasn't invited to the summit.

Problem number three with your argument, Obama is only meeting with 12 out of 47 nations "attending".

So what exactly is it that Obama is dealing with, that Neo-cons do not want it to be? A president making special deals with Russia and their allies? Or is it more simple, that Obama really doesn't know what he is trying to do, but holding a summit MUST be a good thing to do! LOL!!!

Posted by: sanmateo1850 | April 13, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

This is the same guy who started a war with Russia during the 2008 campaign and got his clock cleaned. If McCain would have been in Office then we might have troops over there right now. Get a life, this guy is no ally of ours.

Posted by: MikeV2 | April 13, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

You're an id10t. The US always supports democracy where have you been. Oh that's right you're a LIB and every thing depends on how you feel on a particular day. I guess you can't fix stup1d......

Posted by: askgees | April 13, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Why should the closet Communist in Cheif support democracy in Georgia, when Russia is his ideal country

Posted by: Straightline | April 13, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Wow, another posting at the neo-con WaPo designed to get the wingnut yahoos to comment about community organizing and the like.

Obama is handling these neotiations in a skilled manner as a grownup, something we haven't seen in the WH for a while.

Posted by: howie14 | April 13, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Touchy touchy about not being invited to a minor meeting from a guy whose solution to all problems is nuke 'em. Obama is creating world peace and you just can't stand it NeoCon.

Posted by: chucky-el | April 13, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

"This is the same guy who started a war with Russia during the 2008 campaign and got his clock cleaned. If McCain would have been in Office then we might have troops over there right now. Get a life, this guy is no ally of ours."

Posted by: MikeV2


I think you mean that Russia invaded South Ossetia and started the war with Georgia. Maybe you should actually read the history. Georgia was one of the first countries to split from the old USSR which PO the Russian leaders. They have been doing all they can to force the state of Georgia to fail even fighting their admittance to NATO. South Ossetia is part of Georgia and the Russian’s entered sovereign territory starting the conflict. Try educating yourself.

Posted by: askgees | April 13, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Well, Saakashvili started a war just as te Olympics were starting. With a much bigger neighber, to boot! He is not one to have as an ally; he is one to keep at arms' length!

Posted by: AMviennaVA | April 13, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Touchy touchy about not being invited to a minor meeting from a guy whose solution to all problems is nuke 'em. Obama is creating world peace and you just can't stand it NeoCon.

Posted by: chucky-el | April 13, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Really??? It appears that you are just another uneducated LIB T@RD. Sorry but this meeting is not about world peace. The meeting was about securing nuclear materials. Guess what simplet0n??? Russia has more uncontrolled nuclear material lying around than the rest of the countries added together. Guess what??? Georgia is part of the old USSR so there for there is plenty of unsecured nuclear material lying around. Not inviting Georgia only proves this is more BS from this ridiculous administration. I suggest you wake up and pay attention.

Posted by: askgees | April 13, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Snubbed? No, made a strategic decision. I guess you prefer our last president whose idea of diplomacy was massaging Angela Merkel.

Posted by: jake14 | April 13, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

I agree with jaysit. Diehl is talking gibberish in context of Georgia and this summit.

Posted by: joe78 | April 13, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

hey it could have been Palin and she would have asked what the weather in ATLANTA was like lately.

Posted by: racerdoc | April 13, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Diehl and the other NeoCons would have us invade some third, unrelated country.... Iran perhaps.

That was their solution after 9/11. There's no reason to listen to a neocon. They're foreign agents, and religious fanatics.

Posted by: kurthunt | April 13, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Your Jealousy is showing and so is the Republican Party. For 8 years Bush served out conflict with the World and it took a smart honest US President to repair the damage. History is being made every day Obama is in office. You might want to check on the RNC campaigns to start a US Revolution to destroy our country as Al Queada and the Taliban sit back and watch. Even our soldiers fully support our President. I hope the money the RNC paid you to spread this trast was worth it.

Posted by: qqbDEyZW | April 13, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Well, Saakashvili started a war just as te Olympics were starting. With a much bigger neighber, to boot! He is not one to have as an ally; he is one to keep at arms' length!

Posted by: AMviennaVA | April 13, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse


That's funny, usually I keep id10t's like you at arms length. Stupidity kills.

Posted by: askgees | April 13, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Straightline said: "Why should the closet Communist in Cheif support democracy in Georgia, when Russia is his ideal country"
Earth to Straightline: Russia is not a communist country anymore -- and neither is Georgia, for that matter. But don't let the facts get in your way of your conspiracy theories.

Posted by: Donzinho | April 13, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

These same folks were the very ones who were so critical of Jimmy Carter's naive foreign policy based on human rights and justice. Now when a President gets real and decides that cooperation and understanding with and from Russia is infinitely more important then playing diplomatic public relations with a second tier, relatively unimportant country this Democrat President gets hammered. OK NEOCONs how about some consitency. You either follow realpolitik or you don't. You can't have it both ways.

Posted by: army164 | April 13, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

YEP he's gonna snub one too many pretty soon..and We will find we have NO ALLIES left.... Because he is a Moron, who believes in the Communists rule, and has a tendency to lean their way, bowing, smiling, small talk.. Photo ops with all the Dictators...He wants to be their BUDDY..and have some beer with them..MEANWHILE he is turning all of our ALLIES on the path to not being there for us when we need them.

Posted by: kleigh1213 | April 13, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Obama is doing the right thing by not embracing Saakashvili too closely. He is an ally but his erratic behavior in handling Georgian-Russian relations is what led to the Russian invasion of Georgia. It was Saakashvili who provoked the Russians. He should have known better than giving them an excuse to do what they were eager to do. This does not to excuse Russian aggression but when you live next to an angry bear it is common sense to tread lightly.

Posted by: serban1 | April 13, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Your Jealousy is showing and so is the Republican Party. For 8 years Bush served out conflict with the World and it took a smart honest US President to repair the damage. History is being made every day Obama is in office. You might want to check on the RNC campaigns to start a US Revolution to destroy our country as Al Queada and the Taliban sit back and watch. Even our soldiers fully support our President. I hope the money the RNC paid you to spread this trast was worth it.
Posted by: qqbDEyZW | April 13, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse
You mean the same two conflicts that are still going on???? LOL the thing I love about LIB T@RDS is they can make their selves believe anything.

Posted by: askgees | April 13, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Do not under estimate the intelligence of Mr. Obama. He sees things long term, such a relief since it's been so long since anyone in the WH thought past the next election. When this is conference is over, we will have some solid agreements for the good of all, not just the good of a few.

Posted by: tootsie11 | April 13, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Obama is doing the right thing by not embracing Saakashvili too closely. He is an ally but his erratic behavior in handling Georgian-Russian relations is what led to the Russian invasion of Georgia. It was Saakashvili who provoked the Russians. He should have known better than giving them an excuse to do what they were eager to do. This does not to excuse Russian aggression but when you live next to an angry bear it is common sense to tread lightly.

Posted by: serban1 | April 13, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

So with this logic it's the gay mans fault that he was beat up???? Just don't give anyone a reason. LOL

Posted by: askgees | April 13, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

NPR interviewed Georgia's president and it was clear that Georgia has no nuclear presence -- ergo no need to fall all over ourselves to meet with this guy at this event. Diehl is an idiot -- how about the other 35 countries present? Wow -- what a horrible snub that our President didn't carve out an extra week to meet with each and every one of them, too~ oh, of course then you would have condemned him for "hating the USA" so badly as to kow-tow to small states and waste his time just to be liked or some other junk. I happen to like tht he's particular about who we meet with at these shindigs. Hypocrite. Stfu Donny!!! You are WAY out of your element.

Posted by: Omyobama | April 13, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | April 13, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Double ZZZZ

How about reporting on the actual meeting? No, must stick it to Obama...orders directly from the top of this formerly respected newspaper

Posted by: maurban | April 13, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Obama loves our enemies but really treats our allies like dirt. There will come a time when we need to depend on our allies & they will remember this childish BHO. Thank God we only have to 2012 to boot him back to Chicago? Hawaii? Kenya? Indonesia? No how aboutto Russia, China Cuba, Iran or Venezuela his buddies.

Posted by: tony_gil | April 13, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

So- You are a lobbyist for Georgia, along with old man McCain. Do you all work with Uncle Duke and his son ? I hope that they are paying you well.

Posted by: mccadobe | April 13, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Who are you? Do you work for the Kenyan?Who are you the Press Secretary who has nothing better to do & make fun of Americas citizens? We know how chummy you are with the Wahington Post & how you distort the truth. enjoy you will be out of a job in 2012. ohh wait a minute you will work find a job with those who love you. Who love lies of the la la land you are trying to create which Americans have rejected.

Posted by: tony_gil | April 13, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Mikheil Saakashvili an ally? hahahahahh. He tried to cash a check against Russia his a$$ couldn't cash and promptly got it kicked. There was a lot of wrong doing on both sides, plus I wouldn't use the term ally loosly with Saakashvili. The author should really do a background check on the Georgian President before he calls him a friend of the United States. Actually he should consider the phone call itself a pleasantry, provided Obama didn't hang up on him (I hope he did).

Posted by: clark202 | April 13, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Ahmed, Kim il and Putin are in there glory, they have this "I want to make happy with all dee people who want to hurt me" sucker for 2 more years. Our allies are very wary, rightly so. This Odumbo socialist guy is Hugo's dream come true.Are any of you surprised ?, this clown sat through years of GD america sermons with Rev Wright and now he gets to play the part of getting on his knees begging for forgiveness, how embarrassing. We need to do this with facists like Hugo and Putin, how hard they must laughing at us.

Posted by: snapplecat07 | April 13, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

What a ridiculous critique! First of all, it's a summit about nuclear weapons, not the U.N. General Assembly. Second, most of the attendees who got face time with Pres. Obama did so because they either have, or once tried to acquire, nukes. Georgia falls into neither category.

Third, governing is about choices. To add this meeting to his packed schedule, the president would have had to drop something else. No doubt Mr. Diehl or someone else would have criticized him for that sin of omission, as well.

Posted by: DCSteve1 | April 13, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

So, for those of you critical of Obama, you would rather have an old geezer of a maverick, who turned out not to be a maverick (so what IS he?), lead this country's foreign policy and then put "I can see Russia from my house!" an old- geezer-I-can't-decide-if-I'm-a-maverick heartbeat away from our nuclear arsenal and foreign policy?!?!?

Posted by: xandersun | April 13, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Diehl,
Please remove the wool from your own eyes instead of trying to pull it over ours. The Georgian president's adventurous troop movements were intended to provoke the Russians, and guess what: They did.
As far as "democratically elected" is concerned - wait until the next election! Sakko is very unpopular in Tbilisi these days. The guy is cunning, or shall we call it shifty? He butters up the Americans so that he can get away with his increasing personality cult at home.

Posted by: williamrotsel1 | April 13, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

xandersun writes:So, for those of you critical of Obama, you would rather have an old geezer of a maverick, who turned out not to be a maverick (so what IS he?), lead this country's foreign policy and then put "I can see Russia from my house!" an old- geezer-I-can't-decide-if-I'm-a-maverick heartbeat away from our nuclear arsenal and foreign policy?!?!?

--- yes, thats much better then that milk-toast dress wearing girl who cant find enough people to apologize to. Dictators luv Odumbo, they blink and Obama jumps or bows. Has there ever been amore jelly legged apologist ? yes, Neville Chamberlin comes to mind.

Posted by: snapplecat07 | April 13, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Saakashvili is a hot-head cowboy who, if Georgia were a member of NATO, would have plunged all of Europe and the U.S. into a shooting war with Russia. Saakashvili impetuously and recklessly started shelling Sout Ossetia and its capital, initiating Russia's military response to protect Russians living in Ossetia. No wonder Obama snubbed him. I commend Obama for some common sense, and his snub of Saakashvili shows the White House pursuing the right course.

Posted by: reder01 | April 13, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

reder01:Saakashvili is a hot-head cowboy who, if Georgia were a member of NATO, would have plunged all of Europe and the U.S. into a shooting war with Russia. Saakashvili impetuously and recklessly started shelling Sout Ossetia and its capital, initiating Russia's military response to protect Russians living in Ossetia. No wonder Obama snubbed him. I commend Obama for some common sense, and his snub of Saakashvili shows the White House pursuing the right course.

--Putin the facist thug thanks you, if only Hitler had defenders like you, we would all be speaking German. Are you for real ?

Posted by: snapplecat07 | April 13, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

That's Thug-obama's M.O. --

Snub America's allies ... and bow in ostentatious displays of subjugation to everyone else.

I wish he knew how ridiculous he looks when he bows down. Like a dog showing its belly in an act of submission.


Posted by: wmpowellfan | April 13, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

This is a typical bs article by the third-rate Washington Post. The reason Obama didn't have a bilateral meeting with the president of Georgia is because the meeting is about securing nuclear weapons and loose nuclear material...and Georgia doesn't have any! It's such a f'ing common sense reason that even the conservative trolls that post on this site should be able to grasp it. As Jackson Diehl himself states:

"So is Saakashvili -- a democratically elected leader whose ambition is to lead his country into NATO -- being snubbed in order to please Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev? The White House would insist no. The summit is about nuclear security; Yanukovych got an appointment because Ukraine agreed to give up 60 tons of highly enriched uranium that it now uses in research reactors. Turkey and Armenia are seeing Obama because the administration hopes to press them to move forward with an agreement on opening borders -- a deal that would benefit everyone in the Caucasus."

So, there is no story here. But that won't stop one of the worst papers in the nation from trying to make something out of nothing. The WaPo is as shameless as their Op-Ed section is. Anyone remember the constantly drumbeat for war with a third-world country that had no WMDs or al-Qa'ida ties?

For the conservative robot posters, let's try to stay on topic. This was a summit about nukes and loose nuclear material, and Georgia doesn't have any.

Sincerely,

Michael D'Onofrio
Memphis, TN

Posted by: mcls1442 | April 13, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse


Diehl cannot seem to tell the truth!

In fact, it was the Israeli 'advisors' and their armaments handed Saakashvili
who tried to pick a fight with Russia...

and then, they thought, bring in the US to help them...muddying the increasingly good relations between the US and Russia...

just certified this week.

ISrael tries constnatly to make trouble inside and out for Russia....they think Russia should belong to the Jews again, as it did when Jews Trotsky and Lenin took over the revolution of 1917 and brought for the Soviet Union.

The zionists never stop. Stop, for example, trying to use the US. NOthing but trouble. Always detested.

And DIelh spins his little bit again today, pretending to care sooooo about
Saakashvili, etc. It's all about Netanyahu and ISrael again.

Posted by: whistling | April 13, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Hey Jackson Diehl, neocon, backer of selfish troublemaker states, Georgia and Israel, you're an idiot. Each of these rogue nations would sooner drag the US into World War III than learn to get along with their neighbors just so they can keep precious pieces of their disputed territory. I, for one, firmly approve of the distance the US and the rest of the world has taken from these pariah states. Neither one of them qualifies for NATO and neither of them will get into NATO no matter if they (and you and your fellow-travellers) agitate for it from now to eternity. We have better things to spend our money and the lives of our precious young on than the irredentist claims of Georgia and Israel.

The once great Washington Post...ruined, like everything else in this country and this world, by the neocons. It must be said. You are all traitors to the national interest of the United States.

Posted by: MadAsHell3 | April 13, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

The author looks awfully old to still be stuck in High School mentality. With no substantiation at all, he concludes that any ally perceived themselves as snubbed. And for those who cling to the very few allies we were left with after Bush ran off long time allies, is your little click too small to include new members? Do you somehow think that improving our relationship with Russia, China, and other eastern Europe countries isn't beneficial? Are you so immature and so stuck in your us against them mentality that you refuse to get off of the battle feild? That's insane.

Posted by: xclntcat | April 13, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

If anyone wants to know why Georgia is such a disaster, according to the Israeli daily Haaretz, the Georgian leader Saakashvili this week enthused that in Tbilisi, "both war and peace are in the hands of Israeli Jews."

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1834785,00.html#ixzz0l1d515vS

If Jackson Diehl and his fellow neocons could have their way, war and peace in the US will be in the same hands. God help us.

Posted by: MadAsHell3 | April 13, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse


IT's SO SILLY!

Diehl is the 4th or 5th zionist columnists, in the WaPo alone (more elsewhere)

to play the game about how Obama isn't getting along with the international community. EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE.

Notice who came to meet with him today, who agreed to the Obama nuclear policy and signed on?

DIel thinks is Netanyahoo wasn't there, and apparently the minuscule state of Georgia filled with "Israeli advisors"
NO ONE CAME.

In fact Netanyahu didn't DARE come...the rest of the world was going to jump all over the illegal nukes the savage warmongering Israelis have. HE was
AFRAID to show up. But since te rest of the world detests Israel, it wawn't much of a thing...

Except the one-note Israeli firsters like Diehl and Krauthammer and the various Cohens and Lane and Kristol. Blah.

Posted by: whistling | April 13, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse


madashell3

above, at 7:12. You hit it exactly on the nail.

Particularly your third paragraph. It is true that Americans are not only sick of ISrael, they are sick of those who constantly work for ISrael at the expense of the US. You near the words 'traitor' to describe them as such more and more lately.
They don't seem to notice.

Posted by: whistling | April 13, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

This kind of crap won't stop until we stop Obama. He has apologized for being American, endangered America and our allies, never missing an opportunity to plant a kiss where he should plant a boot. We need to start disempowering him before the November election by telling incumbents and candidates alike they can have our support OR his and he doesn't even get to vote for them. Nobody gets a dime until we get a commitment. Obama needs to be put on a short leash for the next thirty months.

Posted by: waltonr1 | April 13, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse


Translation:

NEtanyahoo was AFRAID to come becausethe rest of the world is going to demand that Israel list it's nukes.

Diehl thinks if Netanyahoo wasn't there, there was no one there. Georgia is just an excuse.

And by the way, what the H was the zionist WaPo spending time with Saakashvili? With
41 more important heads of state in town.
Now THATs the story. Except who cares.

Posted by: whistling | April 13, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, this Obama MINDSPEAK horn is going the way of all the other trash rags...

no one works, writes, thinks...they wait for the Messiah...and then fart out this crap.

Posted by: easttxisfreaky | April 13, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

You know who else Obama didn't meet with, Diehl? The leaders of Mauritius, Guyana and Tuvalu! Outrageous! I think you need to get your butt over to those countries and interview everyone in government about this slight. Take your time; we'll do our best to get by without your deep insights until you return. Take a rowboat. One oar will be sufficient.

Posted by: milo13 | April 13, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Obama was too busy bowing and scraping to Communist dictators to bother meeting with a true ally.

Posted by: JCM-51 | April 13, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

The internet has turned the world upside down. Before it, you had to be coherent and have knowledge to get your opinion printed in a newspaper. Now it is the opposite. All comments sections are filled with the least knowledgeable, most moronic posts imaginable. Bizarro world.

Posted by: steveboyington | April 13, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

We're Russia and China's Puppet and They're pulling the stings..

Posted by: micholina | April 13, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

The internet has turned the world upside down. Before it, you had to be coherent and have knowledge to get your opinion printed in a newspaper. Now it is the opposite. All comments sections are filled with the least knowledgeable, most moronic posts imaginable. Bizarro world.
=====================================
you got that right....lol

Posted by: micholina | April 13, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Saakashvili -- a democratically elected leader

and a knucklehead

Posted by: jw765 | April 13, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

The most obvious reason why Armenia was invited to the Nuclear Security Summit is because it has a nuclear power plant. Georgia and Azerbaijan do not have nuclear power plants.

Posted by: DavidDavidian | April 13, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Jack, are you actually insane, or do you just play insane in the newspaper? Only a lunatic would want Georgia in NATO. Do we really want World War III over a flyspeck with a loose-canon president? Even if he does send canon-fodder to Afghanistan. That just proves he's no judge of what Georgia's actual interests are, and is more interested in sucking up to the United States than in doing what's best for the Georgian people.

Posted by: vinsons | April 13, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Snubbing Russia or snubbing Georgia. Which one is in the vital interest of the US?

Pointless, stupid article.

Posted by: pattr1 | April 13, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

"Our fascinating young president is still learning on the job.

Posted by: johnson0572"

==============

No, Johnson. This president, unlike his predecessor, has a cogent, nuanced approach to international relations. And Mr. Diehl your cardboard cutout analysis of this situation is not worthy of the Post.

Posted by: HydeParker | April 13, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Will Obama fundamentally transform America into a new Russia or will America fundamentally transform Obama into a new Carter??

Posted by: huntyrella | April 13, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

A cogent, nuanced approach! Oh, so THAT'S what you call this nonsense. HydeParker, you and people like you are the reason we're in the mess we're in now. Actually, I'd describe it this way: THE MAN IS AN ARROGANT KNOW-NOTHING! A cogent, nuanced approach! Don't tell me! I can guess! You went to an Ivy League school, right? You can always pick them out in a crowd. They're pretending to be smart - and everyone is laughing at them.

Posted by: georges2 | April 13, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Snubbing Russia or snubbing Georgia. Which one is in the vital interest of the US?

Pointless, stupid article.

Posted by: pattr1 | April 13, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

LOL guess what stuo1d? Georgia is part of the old USSR. They have more unsecured nuclear waste/material than just about any other country. If you had an education you would have known this and yet you still decided to post a comment. PATHETIC.

Posted by: askgees | April 13, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

"Our fascinating young president is still learning on the job.

Posted by: johnson0572"

==============

No, Johnson. This president, unlike his predecessor, has a cogent, nuanced approach to international relations. And Mr. Diehl your cardboard cutout analysis of this situation is not worthy of the Post.

Posted by: HydeParker | April 13, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Is that what LIB m0r0ns like you call @zz kissing.

Posted by: askgees | April 13, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Does this possibly explain why neocons like Mr. Diehl have such a great love for this moron?

"... Israel's weapons sales, just like Russia's, are driven by the commercial interests of domestic arms industries. Israeli military exports to Georgia are driven more by the logic of business than by a strategic choice to back Tbilisi against Moscow — indeed, the Israeli response since the outbreak of hostilities is a reminder that, on balance, even a relatively cool friendship with Russia may be more important to Israel than a close alliance with tiny Georgia. Despite Israel's pecuniary imperative, Georgia has used these commercial military ties to press closer ties on Israel.

President Saakashvili has noted that both his minister responsible for negotiations over South Ossetia (Yakobashvili) and his Defense Minister, Davit Kezerashvili, had lived in Israel before moving to post-Soviet Georgia. According to the Israeli daily Haaretz, the Georgian leader this week enthused that in Tbilisi, "both war and peace are in the hands of Israeli Jews."

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1834785,00.html#ixzz0l2UqA9u0

Posted by: kasmeri | April 13, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Georgia is very important to Israel, because 25% of Israel's oil imports flow through the trans-caucus pipeline which runs through - you guessed it- Georgia. That was the whole rationale behind the Rose Revolution which put Saakashvili into power; to get the pipeline out of Russian hands. Because Russia might have funny ideas about trying to put pressure on Israel to make peace with its Arab neighbors.

So, that's why Mr. Diehl is making such a big deal out of how little Georgia is treated. People like him who put Israel's interests ahead of American interests do stuff like that.

Posted by: stillaliberal | April 13, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

stillaliberal writes:Because Russia might have funny ideas about trying to put pressure on Israel to make peace with its Arab neighbors.

-Putin and his facist thugs assassinate there
enemies or if yr lucky get thrown in prison and you make him sound like Ghandi.."make peace " ? Yeah, and Chavez is mother Teresa

Posted by: snapplecat07 | April 13, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Exactly. Yet, when push came to shove, like when hostilities broke, even Israel decided based on her national interest to distance herself from Saakashvili's stupidity, something that of course the US shouldn't have done according to neocons, since it's always better for them to have the U.S. serve Israel's interest. Which explains this, um, "article" by Mr. Diehl.

Btw, does Iran come to anyone's mind?

Also, from the original Haaretz article:

Earlier Wednesday, Yakobashvili told Haaretz that Israel has joined in the West's betrayal of Georgia. As the official in charge of bringing Abkhazia and South Ossetia back into the fold, Yakobashvili oversaw negotiations with the Russians to end the fighting there. He warned the world that the situation would escalate into war, but the West ignored him.

"They said the Georgians are exaggerating again," he charged.

A former Zionist leader who speaks fluent Hebrew, Yakobashvili credited Israeli defense companies with "enabling us to train our army and giving us the possibility to withstand the Russians," but termed the Israeli government's decision to stop arms exports to his country "a disgrace."

He said the West should have responded by "deploying NATO troops to defend Georgia's vital infrastructure," and that "Israel is betraying us, along with the European countries and the United States."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1011298.html

Posted by: kasmeri | April 13, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

"The internet has turned the world upside down.
Before it, you had to be coherent and have knowledge to get your opinion printed in a newspaper.
Now it is the opposite.
All comments sections are filled with the least knowledgeable, most moronic posts imaginable.
Bizarro world."
Posted by: steveboyington | April 13, 2010 9:10 PM
==
I agree with you, Steve.
It amazes me how people read into everything they read through their own coloration of political partisanship, without questioning, without considering the source, without using the brain God supposedly gave them.
This article is Jackson Diehl's opinion, and I would have to be a lot more informed about Mr. Diehl's background, before I would take any such attack at face value.
All that he's done is to alert me to pay more attention to our relations with the countries of Eastern Europe.
(When I read his diatribe, I immediately thought about Bush at the Olympics, when Bush appeared in the Bird's Nest decidedly unsteady on his feet, having just heard about the Russian military occupation of a province of Georgia.)
But for some on these comment threads, any ole port in a storm to justify their jaded point of view, don'cha know?
Not that they know what they're talking about anyway ...

Posted by: Judy-in-TX | April 13, 2010 11:40 PM | Report abuse

In case you missed the 2008 campaign, Jackson, Barack Obama was opposed to the war in Iraq and thought it was morally indefensible.

So the fact that Georgia actively sought to play a big role in an act that Obama considers to be immoral probably doesn't rate too highly in the Obama White House.

Saakashvilli could get those 1,000 Georgian troops to Afghanistan more quickly (which Obama does see as a necessity) and Obama would probably give him an audience next time.

Posted by: sthomas1957 | April 13, 2010 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Judy in Tx writes:It amazes me how people read into everything they read through their own coloration of political partisanship, without questioning, without considering the source, without using the brain God supposedly gave them.

--wow ! Judy , do you take an elevator or escalator in order to get on yr high horse ?

Posted by: snapplecat07 | April 13, 2010 11:48 PM | Report abuse

stthomas writes:So the fact that Georgia actively sought to play a big role in an act that Obama considers to be immoral probably doesn't rate too highly in the Obama White House.

-Yeah, that sadam and uday were really moral.
You could have yr head bashed in by a mugger while Odumbo stands on a street corner pontificating on the morality of helping..." hmmm call the cops...no...wait...maybe I should...uh no maybe he asked for it...what would Jereniah Wright do ?....hmmm"

Posted by: snapplecat07 | April 13, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Judy, I think you misunderstood Steve's comment. He wasn't referring to those attacking his latest "article", where among other things he rewrites history by referring to the outbreak of hostilities between Russia and Georgia in 2008 a "Russian invasion", even though it was Georgia that launched a large-scale military attack against South Ossetia, provoking the response by Russia, which promptly handed Saakashvili's ass to him.

Mr. Diehl is not someone who writes his opinions. He is one of the WaPo's propagandists, largely responsible for the decline of this once great American newspaper. Read any article of his on Iraq and you'll understand why.

Posted by: kasmeri | April 14, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

The racist egomaniac Obama Doesn't have allies, only sycophant liberal pinheads who crave to worship his behind, and adults who knowa he's a lying fraud.

Posted by: carlbatey | April 14, 2010 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Hot Air: Obama snubs Georgian president to avoid offending Russia
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/04/13/obama-snubs-georgian-president-to-avoid-offending-russia/

Posted by: StewartIII | April 14, 2010 1:35 AM | Report abuse

Let me first begin by addressing the very large misstatement that I have noticed here:
"Georgia was the aggressor in the 2008 war"- Please read the UN fact-finding report released in 2009. That statement is false. If you want to learn more about it read the report!
Second: Yes, Georgia has no nuclear weapons and it is not necessary for Obama to meet with Saakashvili, however, Georgia has lent US as much a helping hand in many of its "plans" and it would have been important to extend the courtesy to the president of Georgia. That Saakashvili speaks highly of Obama is great, but absolutely irrelevant. Consider the almost 500,000 refugees in Tbilisi who cringe when the US administration praises the current Russian gov. for being a leader in a peace process.
Someone made a comment about WWIII should Georgia join the NATO...Explain! If WWIII should start it would not be over the "flyspeck with a loose-canon president" but over a threat to a democratic way of life by a much larger, far more dangerous and in possession of superior militarily equipment Russia (not the people, just the KGB run gov.)...as far as what would be best for the people of Georgia do you think they should just bend over and take it? Georgia should join the NATO especial now, when the Polish prez is dead and will most likely have a pro-russian gov, like the pro-russian gov in Ukraine and not in Kirgizia.

Posted by: egmartin | April 14, 2010 4:41 AM | Report abuse

Looks like people have not been paying attention again...

The Marxist messiah, Barry Obama, is one of those 80s idiots college fruits who just adored the Soviets and hated, hated Ronald Reagan. His entire world was crushed when the despicable Soviets marxist crashed and burned in 1989.

So this mental case is just swooning at getting to buddy up with the former KGB leader and helping them regain their former status that was unfairly taken from them by that evil Reagan.

Lets face it, freedom and anti-totalitarianship just isn't that important to Obama and his supporters. Obama and his doofus adorers loves them some dictators.

Posted by: LogicalSC | April 14, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

More proof that Obama is a Communist.

What has happened to the FBI ? Edger J must be very unhappy.

Posted by: JAQUEBAUER | April 14, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Why are you people just cannot live without making up some enemies and allies in your imagination? Is it so boring to live without all this crap?
You always try hard to find a whipping boy,so,you feel great! I bet you all are not perfect at all.
You all,Obama-haters,make me sick with all your belligerent comments.
Isn't Cold War not over yet? Oh,it's not...in your fevered mind...Sad.

Posted by: theone42 | April 14, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I think you mean that Russia invaded South Ossetia and started the war with Georgia. Maybe you should actually read the history. Georgia was one of the first countries to split from the old USSR which PO the Russian leaders. They have been doing all they can to force the state of Georgia to fail even fighting their admittance to NATO. South Ossetia is part of Georgia and the Russian’s entered sovereign territory starting the conflict. Try educating yourself.


Posted by: askgees | April 13, 2010 3:33 PM |


Oh,really? I see you are a great historian! Where did you read your "history" from? Oh, wait, I bet you were on the front line during the conflict!
Why do you try to teach history if you know s...t about it? It's just amazing!

Posted by: theone42 | April 14, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Obama's bows and appeasement of our adversaries continues while his betrayals and insults to our friends and allies continues. What else is new?

Posted by: valwayne | April 14, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

The commenter egmartin states that the "UN fact-finding report released in 2009" disproves that Georgia was the aggressor. Perhaps he would like to provide a link, because the only report of an international body to make a report that I know of, the EU Independent Fact Finding Mission Report, clearly states that Georgia started the war

"with a massive Georgian artillery attack...against the town of Tskhinvali and the surrounding areas, launched in the night of 7 to 8 August 2008" and that the Russian response was disproportionate.

http://www.ceiig.ch/pdf/IIFFMCG_Volume_I.pdf

For the opinions of military experts, NATO officials, OSCE monitors etc. see a good summary here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_South_Ossetia_war#Responsibility_for_the_war_and_motives

The rest of his comment with cheap talking points like "democratic way of life", Russian "KGB run gov" [sic], "do you think they should just bend over and take it" etc. just gives him away.

As far as NATO membership for Georgia goes, let's also remember that the US explicitly promised to Gorbachev that NATO wouldn't expand to the East, a promise broken repeatedly. It's not the Russians who are the bad guys here.

Finally, as someone who lives in Europe, I would appreciate it if some Americans who tend to display their bravado at the expense of other peoples would finally abandon their cowboy mentality and understand that this is not some type of video game where they should just prove their manliness, all consequences be damned!

Posted by: kasmeri | April 14, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Once again, the Washington Post is entertaining Saakashvili, while Obama says "no thanks." The Georgian president is a certified lunatic who has robbed the Georgian people, started a war with Russia, trampled on human rights, ended free media and jailed political prisoners. He hates Obama. I predict another "colored revolution" will come to an end because the man is not promoting democracy. He is a despot and an autocrat who no doubt believes he deserves a State Dinner at The White House. I applaud Obama for his refusal to befriend someone so dangerous and mercurial. Everyone in Tbilisi knows about his carousing, drinking, etc. He simply must resign to avoid further embarrassment and potential bloodshed.

Posted by: mansfieldsteph | April 14, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

to kasmeri:
Well, maybe you are right...I feel the need to prove my manliness as a woman :)) But please sight further on the report:
"On August 7th 2008, the Russian Federation launched a large-scale invasion on Georgia’s sovereign territory. This use of force was illegal and unjustified under international law. It constituted an egregious breach of Georgia’s political sovereignty and territorial integrity contrary to Article 2(4) of the UN Charter and customary international law. It violated also the key principle of non-intervention in international law and relations, and its magnitude and scale made it an act of aggression." Also further : "There was no Security Council resolution authorizing such action (indeed many members of the Council deplored the invasion) nor was there an armed attack or “imminent threat” of armed attack by Georgia against the Russian Federation capable of activating a right to exercise force in self-defence nor was Russia invited by the Georgian State to use force on Georgian territory." Now as far as your statment about the Russians not being the bad guys, I agree with you the Russian people are not a bad guy at all, its the current Russian goverment that worries me. Take into cosideration that Russia did not support Kosovo's independence even though according to the Russian sources the situations in S. Ossetia and in Akhazia were very similar. Also the recent events in Kirgizia and in Ukraine where pro-Russian gov. is now in place trying to push out the "western" influence. At least what they call the western influence, I call it a desire for independent self run goverment. Any promise made to Gorbachiov can't hold true any longer, the situation is changed. By the way it is a well know fact (even in Europe) that Putin was a liutenant in the KGB and was there when the Berlin wall was coming down asking for USSR military to support the wall. So yes, my comment about it being "KGB run gov." is valid. Now if you can look in the eyes of almost 500,000 refugees now living in Tbilisi that have lost their homes and family members when the Russian gov. was trying to save "their citizens" and you can tell them to go hug Putin and shake hands then we can talk about manliness and cowboy video games.

Posted by: egmartin | April 14, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

LOL. The report you site is the "report" of the government of Georgia!!!!

You think I wouldn't look it up?

1) You mentioned a UN fact-finding report which supposedly vindicated Georgia which doesn't exist. Then you provide a "report" without mentioning it was the Georgian government's!!!

2) I provided the links to the EU Independent Fact Finding Mission Report and a summary of international opinion which places the blame solely on Georgia's shoulders.

3) Then, you misleadingly write on your following post "But please sight further on the report", as if this were the EU report I quoted, whereas it is the "report" of the gov. of Georgia, which you hadn't mentioned before to warrant your "sight further" comment and which is hardly an independent or impartial source! Why are you trying to mislead?

4) Russia didn't support Kosovo's independence and warned that if Kosovo had the right to secede from Yugoslavia, then so did South Ossetia. Kosovo did secede with the backing of the West, so South Ossetia seceded with the backing of Russia!

5) If the fact that Putin worked for the KGB makes Russia a KGB-run gov., then would you have to agree that having George Bush sr., a former DIRECTOR of the CIA becoming president of the US made the US a CIA-run government?

5) The promises to Gorbachev were explicit. NATO wouldn't expand to the East, period, and that's how Gorbachev agreed to the reunification of Germany, one of the most significant events of the 20th century!. I guess you have no understanding of international diplomacy if you think that at any point a government can break such major understandings. My guess is you work for the Georgian government, or you are simply a Georgian, so this is understandable. But it doesn't make it right, I'm sorry!

Finally, after having you

a) mention a UN report which doesn't exist,

b) misleadingly give the findings of a Georgian "report" as part of the EU report, and

c) not attributing the correct source, which was the Georgian government,

your credibility is lost.

Please don't waste my time. My sympathies.

Posted by: kasmeri | April 14, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

it's so dumb to think countries that don't have nuclear power are no allies of United States. If we care only about countries who do have nuclear power, it will only push all other countries to acquiring Nuclear Weapon. This approach is so naive, so stupid, so immature. US enemies are indeed laughing now.

Posted by: linkyangel | April 15, 2010 2:55 AM | Report abuse

I guess you didn't quiet understand me. There is no "Georgian Report"! The quote you provided with the link is the same as the one that I have. My guess is that you did not read past the first page, which granted I understand as it is 900 pages. My nationality is not in question, but to rest your concerns I am Armenian, but I have lived in the US for 20 years so I guess that would make me an American. You mentioned that you live in Europe...care to share where? I have no intention of misleading, only to help shed light on the situation. You however seemed to be getting your panties in a bunch...maybe we should examine your motives rather then my credibility...As for your sympathies please keep them. I have long gotten out of the grade school recess finger pointing.
Thank you.

Posted by: egmartin | April 15, 2010 3:53 AM | Report abuse

egmartin, you continue trying to mislead people.

The quotes you provided are indeed the introduction of the Georgian report on the conflict, which was included in the EU Independent Fact Finding Mission Report to present the different sides' views. This wasn't the view or the conclusion of the Fact Finding Mission!!!! It states:

Chapter 4 (Volume II)

The Conflict: Views of the Sides

1. The Georgian View

2. The Russian View

3. The South Ossetian View

4. The Abkhaz View

" For the purpose of this Report, and in order to proceed from what the sides directly concerned had to say, questionnaires related to the military, legal and humanitarian aspects of the events were sent to Tbilisi, Moscow, Tskhinvali and Sukhumi. In addition, the sides were asked to give their comprehensive views and an evaluation of the events. In this chapter, these comprehensive views of the sides are reproduced unaltered, exactly as they were submitted to the Fact-Finding Mission by the authorities of Georgia, the Russian Federation, South Ossetia and Abkhazia. The Fact-Finding Mission has provided an (unofficial) English translation of the original texts with the exception of the Georgian text, which was provided in English. All the original texts are to be found in Volume III.

1. The Georgian View1

On August 7th 2008, the Russian Federation launched a large-scale invasion on Georgia’s sovereign territory. This use of force..." [That's the part you posted]

http://www.ceiig.ch/pdf/IIFFMCG_Volume_II.pdf

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Again, this is not the Fact Finding Mission's view or conclusion, yet you presented it as such, even though it is the included Georgian report (or view)!!!

So either you didn't read the EU report or you are still trying to mislead.

Btw, here is the Georgian government's relevant website,

http://www.report.smr.gov.ge/

where on the left we find the original report you quoted:

"Report by the Government of Georgia
on The aggression by the Russian Federation against Georgia"

www.report.smr.gov.ge/PDF/english.pdf

So you may have gotten "out of the grade school recess finger pointing", but unfortunately you haven't gotten out of a sloppy freshman's lazy habits.

Take care.

Posted by: kasmeri | April 15, 2010 7:14 AM | Report abuse

Clarification:

The part you posted and which was presented as the Georgian view in the EU report is the executive summary titled "USE OF FORCE ISSUES ARISING OUT OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION INVASION OF GEORGIA IN AUGUST 2008" and that's the pdf file I linked to above.

www.report.smr.gov.ge/PDF/english.pdf

Posted by: kasmeri | April 15, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

And just for fun, here is the Russian View, also included in the EU Independent Fact Finding Mission Report (right after the Georgian View which you misrepresented as the conclusion of the EU Report, which supposedly vindicated Georgia):

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"The aggression perpetrated by the Saakashvili regime against the people of South Ossetia in August 2008 became an unprecedented event in modern history both in terms of its recklessness and cruelty.

The term “Russian-Georgian war” is not appropriate in this respect. The treacherous attack launched by Georgia against the peaceful population of South Ossetia and the Russian peacekeepers, the number of casualties resulting from this attack as well as statements made
by Georgia’s political and military leadership demonstrated aggressive intent on the part of the Georgian side.

Against this backdrop Russia had no choice but to use its inalienable right to self-defence enshrined in Article 51 of the UN Charter."

http://www.ceiig.ch/pdf/IIFFMCG_Volume_II.pdf (Chapter 4)


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Does including the Russian View in the EU's Report make it it's own view and conclusion egmartin?

Posted by: kasmeri | April 15, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Wow-- WaPo is amplifying Fox News' unwarranted trouble-making about the US President's treatment of the President of Georgia? Already?

We at http://nikflorida.org have a somewhat different take on, and lots of direct links to, this ridiculous distraction.

Posted by: nikFlorida | April 15, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

please guys, stop posting those ridiculous links from Chinese website, etc. that doesn't affect anybody's opinion here. everyone has it's own point of view, and I don't believe Georgia started war against Russia. as far as I know whatever Russians did in Chechnya were much like genocide. Then I read 2000 people were slaughtered in South Ossetia, and in couple of days I read these was all made up.

I'm having fun time seeing how much some of you try to impact "public opinion" :) it's just waste of your time dude :)

Posted by: linkyangel | April 15, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Nice try Mr. Diehl, but you still haven't convinced me that the US should support Israeli apartheid in the West Blank.

Obviously this whole 'Obama snubs his enemies'nonsense is about Israel expansionism for you.

Posted by: pfoll1 | April 15, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

http://www.ceiig.ch/pdf/IIFFMCG_Volume_II.pdf
page 24 paragraph 2
Page 30 paragraph 3
Page 30-31 paragraph 5
page 32 last paragraph
page 44 paragraph 2
page 47 paragraph 3 and 4
page 141 To Sum Up
Page 154 III. Conclusion
Page 171 Conclusion
Page 172 Conclusion
Page 173 Conclusion
Page 182 Conclusion
Page 236 VI. The lack of justification for the threats of force issued
page 251 Conclusion
page 274 Conclusion
Page 276 Conclusion
Page 283 Conclusion
page 293 Conclusion
Page 294 Conclusion

I am now done with you.

Posted by: egmartin | April 15, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Yes, after having you

a) mention a UN report that supposedly vindicates Georgia which doesn't exist,

b) misleadingly give the findings of a Georgian "report" as the findings of the EU report,

c) not attributing the correct source, which was the Georgian government,

d) deny there even was a Georgian report, even though it was the report you quoted and which figures prominently on the Georgian government's website (!!!),

it was about time you gave up trying to misinform people that Georgia was not the aggressor in a stupid miscalculation, even though that's indeed the finding of the EU Independent Fact Finding Mission Report, OSCE monitors, NATO officials speaking anonymously for obvious reasons and the consensus of international diplomacy experts (with few exceptions, and those solely for anti-Russian propaganda efforts).

Again, for a good quick summary see here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_South_Ossetia_war#Responsibility_for_the_war_and_motives


Better luck next time.

Posted by: kasmeri | April 16, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

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