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Everybody hates Charlie Crist

Any day now, Florida Gov. Charlie Crist (R) is expected to dump the Republican Party in his election bid for the U.S. Senate and declare himself an independent. Can't say that I blame him. He's running well behind his primary opponent, Marco Rubio. And the National Republican Senatorial Committee sent out a letter yesterday declaring him a dead duck, electorally speaking, and urging him to bow out of the race.

It wasn't supposed to be this way for Crist. He used to be popular. An "It Boy" of the Grand Old Party. A presidential contender one day, many said. Crist opted to ride that wave of popularity from Tallahassee to Washington, D.C., with a run for the U.S. Senate instead of a reelection bid for governor. And then this happened.

(I especially liked the slow motion and sinister music during the hug at the end.)

For the crime of standing with the newly-elected president of the United States; for supporting President Obama's efforts to pass the $787 billion stimulus package -- and for saying things such as "This issue about helping our country is about helping our country. This is not about partisan politics. This is about rising above that, helping America and reigniting our economy" -- Crist has seen his political fortunes disappear.

House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.) was the latest to jump on the Rubio bandwagon yesterday. He had this to say about Crist's contemplation of an independent bid. "That to me shows someone that has built a career on our party and the principals we believe is ready to jettison that in order to stay in office," he said. Or could it be that Crist's party jettisoned him? The wave of support buttressing Rubio's bid is further evidence that moderates are no longer welcome in the Republican Party. And that's fine if the GOP wants to remain a regional, lock-step, small-tent party beholden to its activist wing.

But perhaps Crist will get the last laugh. That Quinnipiac Poll shows that in a three-way race between Crist (I), Rubio (R) and Rep. Kendrick Meek (D) Crist would win. I hope Crist does it. Florida voters should have a choice. If they don't like what he has to say they won't vote for him. Of course, Meek wants Crist in the race for purely selfish reasons. The congressman is hoping Crist and Rubio will split Republican votes in the general election, potentially allowing the congressman to squeak through. If you're Crist -- wronged by the party and abandoned by your friends -- the election of Meek could be the GOP's just deserts.

By Jonathan Capehart  | April 20, 2010; 2:02 PM ET
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"Cantor (R-Va.) was the latest to jump on the Rubio bandwagon yesterday. He had this to say about Crist's contemplation of an independent bid. "That to me shows someone that has built a career on our party and the principals we believe is ready to jettison that in order to stay in office,""

What did Cantor say when Lieberman ran as an independent?

Posted by: knjincvc | April 20, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Oh come on, Jonathan. Surely you've seen the great documentary "Outrage." You know perfectly well why the Republicans are treating Charlie Crist like he's radioactive.

Posted by: cllrdr | April 20, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Another excellent column.

The elephant in the room here is the sustained and even credible rumor that Crist is gay. While I would be happy to vote for a gay President, I do wonder how these rumors are going to come into play if Crist leaves the Republicans behind.

True or not, I would expect Rubio to attack Crist's sexuality pretty savagely and for the national GOP to support Rubio in this strategy. The GOP would see it as helping them pick up more of the teabagger vote around the country. So If Crist is gay, will he need to come out? Might coming out even help him identify himself as a no-nonsense centrist conservative?

As much as would like to have a Democrat pick up that seat, I also feel, like Mr. Capehardt, that a Crist victory would send a chilling message to the hard right demagogues of the GOP. That would be a very valuable message indeed. So long as Rubio loses, I'll be satisfied.

Posted by: bigbrother1 | April 20, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Yes, it's quite shocking to see that elected officials who don't follow their constituents desires see their popularity fall. What kind of world can this happen in?

Wronged by the party? Does he have some sort of right to this Senate seat?

Nice cherry picking his quotes as if those were the deciding issues to those who longer support him. No wonder most WAPO readers have no idea what goes on in our country.

Posted by: mj13 | April 20, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Charlie Crist is one of the reasons I stayed in the Republican Party so long. He has held executive and legislative branch offices that make him singularly prepared to represent Floridians in the Senate. "The Hug" as an excuse to dump this qualified person in favor of a reactionary, closed minded social fundamentalist is ridiculous. Having worked in Florida politics, I'll take Charlie Crist over Marco Rubio on qualifications and effectiveness any day.

Ronald Reagan as he prepared to run for President had finished his two terms of governor of California was approached by conservatives to back the Briggs Amendment. The Briggs Amendment would have banned GLBT people from teaching; he rejected their request prima face and supported the Anti-Briggs forces. I'm sure today's social fundamentalists would have blocked Reagan's nomination for President based on that. There is no question that he was uniquely qualified to be President like Gov. Crist is to be a US Senator. Grow up Florida GOP and look at what you are throwing away.

Posted by: bill_delgrosso | April 20, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Most fiscally conservative people are horrified by Washington's deficit spending. We're sending someone to Washington that will help shut it down. Crist just isn't that guy, Rubio is. Nothing personal.

Posted by: peterg73 | April 20, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

The concept that everybody seems to be missing here is that Rubio does represent the ideological makeup of the current Republican party better than Crist. The Republicans are swinging wildly to the extreme right, and Crist is a reasonable, intelligent, compassionate man who therefore has no place in the party.

Posted by: gposner | April 20, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Crist is just sad. The final straw for this Florida voter is when he caved to the teachers union a few days ago and vetoed a bill that among other things would have ended lifetime job security for future teachers. Current teachers can get tenure after just 3 years and they would have been unaffected by this provision. Who do teachers think they are? Who else gets tenure? Talk about a sense of entitlement. Crist is a collaborator and a wishy-washy nonentity.

Posted by: hit4cycle | April 20, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

How is that all these croc tears over poor Crist don't lead a single Democrat to ask him to join that party, eh? "We'd love him as an independent, but..."

Posted by: dennis10 | April 20, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

hit4cycle demonstrates the willful stupidity of hard-right Republican base.

The "teachers" he is talking about are college professors and tenure is a long-established tradition that ensures academic and intellectual freedom in colleges and universities. Without it (and especially in a state-run school), there is no education, only indoctrination decided by whoever is in charge.

Teabaggers like Rubio and hit4cycle are free to be as ignorant and gullible as they choose. But they don't get to choose that fate for anyone else. Crist did exactly the right thing.

Posted by: bigbrother1 | April 20, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Most fiscally conservative people are horrified by Washington's deficit spending. We're sending someone to Washington that will help shut it down. Crist just isn't that guy, Rubio is. Nothing personal.
Posted by: peterg73

Rubio double billed the GOP and the Government for a trip. He did refund the money back to the GOP when outed. This is the guy you want to balance government budgets? The last time the GOP shut down the gov't Gingrich rightfully got the blame.

Posted by: jameschirico | April 20, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Go Crist. We just have to add an "h" between C and r and you will be walking on water.

Posted by: vitality1 | April 20, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Most fiscally conservative people are horrified by Washington's deficit spending. We're sending someone to Washington that will help shut it down. Crist just isn't that guy, Rubio is. Nothing personal.

Posted by: peterg73

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Actually one person will not do much, just ask the others who are in the same boat they find themselves voted down so often it become futile .
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Crist is just sad. The final straw for this Florida voter is when he caved to the teachers union a few days ago and vetoed a bill that among other things would have ended lifetime job security for future teachers. Current teachers can get tenure after just 3 years and they would have been unaffected by this provision. Who do teachers think they are? Who else gets tenure? Talk about a sense of entitlement. Crist is a collaborator and a wishy-washy nonentity.

Posted by: hit4cycle |
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Actually it is a bad bill because it is based on what students learned and don't passed the test and the teachers get fired. Would you like a job that is depended on some young kids deciding not to learn anything just to get rid of you?

Secondly, the bill was rushed through no changes because Thrasher insist on it and it barely passed in both chambers.

While I'm in an agreement that changes are needed, the problem comes from the students' family situation that is conductive to be willing to learn and be successful. This bill does neither and needs to go back to the drawing board to fix it right.

Posted by: beeker25 | April 20, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Gov. Charlie Crist of Florida seems to be a likeable guy. However that is not why the people are supporting Marco Rubio in the primary. The people are looking for a candidate who will assertively support their views, not someone who becomes friendly with those who vehimently oppose them.

Unfortunatly, Gov Crist seems to be leaning towards going the way that Sen Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania has gone. If you don't think that you can win, just change your party, and run anyway. The H**l with the will of the people.

It's not about us, it's all about "them" and their political aspirations. Hopefuly the residents of Florida will show the politicians who has the final say by voting for Marco Rubio this fall.

Posted by: barrysal | April 20, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Charlie has gone from being star kissed to Starkist (as in the tuna that didn't get picked) or from being the cat's meow to the car's meal. Crist has also given new life to the title of Jim Hightower's book about there being nothing in the middle of the road except yellow lines and dead armadillos. Yeats was certainly right in saying the center cannot hold.

Posted by: ejgallagher1 | April 20, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Crist's problems in Florida remind me of Joe Lieberman's problem in Connecticut during the 2006 election. The party dropped the strongest candidate out of fear of their base. Ned Lamont couldn't win the general election and neither can Rubio.

Posted by: psmithc | April 20, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Pensions that States cannot afford, Government spending that is unsustainable. Mr. Crist does not see this, or is to weak to make the hard choices. An identity crisis at this point serves nobody but Gov. Crist. He would make a good moderate Democrat. But there is no room for moderates in the Democrat Party Mr. Capehart. Name me one that is a spokesman for THAT party.

Posted by: bobbo2 | April 20, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Crist should just write an expose on the GOP "Scene" in Florida.

Maybe Crist should say who was hiding in the Closet at the Gay Orgy in Las Vegas when the FBI raided the place.

Hey Jeb you OK in there?

Posted by: walker1 | April 20, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

the repugs will vote for any candidate as long as they don't support this administration and what for it......this president.
trust me they don't want rubio, but they hate this president, more than they care for this country and the american people.they have been known to shoot themselves in the foot.
the best outcome would be meeks wins this election, it'll be just what these racist haters deserve.

Posted by: ninnafaye | April 20, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

People should listen carefully to Gov. Crist's words in the embedded video clip. This man is a grown-up, and NO, I don't care about viscious gossip regarding his personal preferences. Is there some way we could trade Sen. Inhofe for Crist?

Posted by: BBear1 | April 20, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

What a show! Far right Republicans hounding one of the few moderates they've got out of the party and figuring they're going to pick up a lot of seats in November.

By the way, hit4cycle, tenure is no guarantee of a job for life. It sets a high standard that a school must meet to get rid of a tenured person. In other words, it's sort of like the end of a probationary period, which most jobs have.

Posted by: jlhare1 | April 20, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

With the GOP looking unelectable and any real concervatives leaving in droves, the remaing conservatives need to decide if they want to stay with a party ruled by crazies like Rubio and tea bag ladies, self cutters, people who threaten congress with assault rifles and not forgeting Crazy McCain Lady.

A GOP that now seems bent on protecting the Welfare Queens of Wall Street.

The Republican party has become the minority party for Whack-a-doodles.

Posted by: walker1 | April 20, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I don't have a dog in this fight, being neither conservative nor a Floridian, but I would like to see Crist re-elected. Congress needs to hold on to its pragmatic deal makers; people not driven by a single-minded (and simple-minded) ideology.

Posted by: EnemyOfTheState | April 20, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Let's examine this comment:

hit4cycle demonstrates the willful stupidity of hard-right Republican base.

The "teachers" he is talking about are college professors and tenure is a long-established tradition that ensures academic and intellectual freedom in colleges and universities. Without it (and especially in a state-run school), there is no education, only indoctrination decided by whoever is in charge.

Teabaggers like Rubio and hit4cycle are free to be as ignorant and gullible as they choose. But they don't get to choose that fate for anyone else. Crist did exactly the right thing.

Posted by: bigbrother1

This commenter refers to those who weigh the costs and benefits of tenure differently as willfully stupid, but doesn't even acknowledge the costs. So those who weigh both sides differently are willfully stupid, but those not smart enough to understand the costs exist are Democrats?

We also see the standard scare tactics, "without tenure there is no education" is an extraordinary exaggeration.

Then we see the Teabagger slur again.

Unbelievably this commenter seems to look down on other commenters even as he proves he cannot honestly analyze an issue or prevent himself from engaging in juvenile name calling. Here's someone worth following.

Posted by: mj13 | April 20, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Political candidates like Crist who only care about furthering their political careers often find themselves the victom of their own ambition.

Crist does not stand form on any issue he stakes a claim to, but instead changes his stance with the polls. Case in point:

A. Property Tax Cuts

B. Cap and Trade

C. Drilling off the Florida coast.

D.Abortion

E. Senate Bill 6 (He supported it 3 weeks before he vetoed it.)

F. Stimulus (He wrote a letter to the President supporting the stimulus, but then lied and said he didn't).

G. Now he's going to worm himself out of his promise that he would not run as an independent- what's next?

When a politician pulls a flip flop every now and then voters let it go, but when the flip flops are on issues consistently important to voters- you have a problem.

Problem is Charlie Crist flip flopped on practically the whole Republican agenda- thus he's losing.

That's not even mentioning his run for the Senate, right after winning the governorship, while the state is in recession! Of course Jonathan Capehart isn't interested in stating these facts...he's just interested in Progressive spin that paints Crist as an innocent victim maligned by his party.


I don't care for Meek, but at least he has principles- Charlie Crist has none.

Posted by: moebius22 | April 20, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Correction to my last post: Crist is governor, not a member of Congress. I guess I need to do these posts when I'm sober.

Posted by: EnemyOfTheState | April 20, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Rubio pals around with terrorists. Namely Orlando Bosch as well as Luis Posada Carillas, who were involved in the 1976 mid-air bombing of a Cubana Airlines flight that killed 73 people, including members of the Cuban national fencing team. He was pardoned in 1992 by the elder Bush.

Posted by: MerrillFrank | April 20, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Most fiscally conservative people are horrified by Washington's deficit spending. We're sending someone to Washington that will help shut it down. Crist just isn't that guy, Rubio is. Nothing personal.

Posted by: peterg73 | April 20, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse
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And this is what's wrong with people like you:

If Beck, Hannity and all the other FOX morons repeat lies often enough, idiots like you believe.

There are no fiscally responsible GOP politicians. Remember the Bush years? That's where our deficit is coming from.

Now we have to spend money to make money, you moron. NOT ON UNJUSTIFIED WARS and not working tax cuts for the rich and corporations, but FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

Posted by: mackiejw | April 20, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

"Crist has seen his political fortunes disappear."

Given the three-way poll, it's more like "Rubio has seen his political fortunes disappear." People don't want extremists, they want independent-thinking moderates. It's just that simple.

Posted by: Bob22003 | April 20, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

One of the many ironies here is that Rubio is not by temperment a "Tea Partier". He has not been recorded screaming at anyone or declaring that Obama is a Muslim or an illegal alien. He's actually rather soft-spoken and sounds almost reasonable. And he's hardly a political outsider.

The Tea Party hasn't noticed this because they're so desperate for a savior in their own image, they will overlook any inconsistencies. But how long will he continue to please them when he fails to vent his alleged hatred of Mexicans and gays and anyone with more than a high school education? What if he's caught having a civil conversation with a Democratic colleague? Before you know it, he'll be in the same spot as Charlie.

Posted by: DaveHarris | April 20, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

moderates have been dumped from the part since Reagan and his reactionaries took over.

Posted by: newagent99 | April 20, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Crist can join Obambi and the rest of the "travelers". When he refused to stand up to the teachers union he ended his political career. The teachers union is the primary reason our children cannot read, write, or add properly. Maybe Crist can join them and become tenured.

Posted by: emyers12345 | April 20, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

"One of the many ironies here is that Rubio is not by temperment a "Tea Partier". He has not been recorded screaming at anyone or declaring that Obama is a Muslim or an illegal alien. He's actually rather soft-spoken and sounds almost reasonable. And he's hardly a political outsider. "

More evidence most WAPO readers have no idea what is going on. The description of Rubio accurately describes the overwhelming majority of Tea Partiers. These descriptions of hating immigrants among other things are absurd, posted by people whose only goal is to slime those they disagree with.

Posted by: mj13 | April 20, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

So much commotion over a man leaving his party to support his constituents. More often than not voters with brains want more choices.

Too far left? No
Too far right? No
Moderate, Independent minded? Yes

That's Florida these days. Ideally it should be the whole nation. Latching onto one party for no other reason is blind voting.

I do feel Republicans these days are still way out of touch with reality. Until they purge their leadership and get new leaders with brains that party will lack appeal to Americans.

Posted by: ringlingj | April 20, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Cantor always jumps on any bandwagon that he calculates will get him some facetime in the press or points with the right-wingers. I hope Crist does run as an independent in Florida. Can only help the Dems!!

Posted by: lddoyle2002 | April 20, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Endless deficit spending by the Democratic party, sad to say that's absolutely true. I was a lifelong Democrat, and I have to admit that this current Dems bunch is doing just that. We all dissed Bush for ignoring early warning signs - when was the last time that international rating agencies were warning the U.S. that it might lose its triple-A rating in the world economy? What greater warning do you need?

And despite all the good it might do (I have my doubts), I think that anyone who believes this new health care law will not lead to more massive deficit spending is living in a fantasy world.

And it's only been a couple of years since the Republicans spent us into the poor house also with unnecessary wars and Wall Street coddling - voters DO remember this!!! "Conservative" Tea Partiers included!!! So I think I can safely say that, right now, BOTH of these political parties make most of us sick.

And here we have a relatively popular governor who could be re-elected, except for the mad rhetoric against him by his own party?!?

What if he DID register as independent and win? What if suddenly there were a world where "independent" was the only true badge of honor and rallying cry left? Third parties are known to usually have no real organization and crumble - but what if the party didn't matter, and the main people who could get elected were people who were already known to the public, or could buy their way to instant recognition, and rally new followers through carefully managed ad campaigns? Movie stars, celebrities, CEOs, unknowns with radical ideas that catch instant publicity....

How quickly did the "Tea Party" (what IS it, anyway!) rally millions just by screaming loudly about basically nothing but I-hate-what-we-got? What political party "organization" was behind the biggest political trend today? Neither, far as I can tell.

Obama didn't win through the power of his party - he swept into power through an internet-fueled PR-image-juggernaut that resonated personally (not rationally) with people, like a new Apple gadget or the latest viral youtube. A flavor-of-the-month that took, what, nine months to evaporate? Same with Senator Scott Brown. This is the model; could this be the future?

Posted by: davidwatching | April 20, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Endless deficit spending by the Democratic party, sad to say that's absolutely true. I was a lifelong Democrat, and I have to admit that this current Dems bunch is doing just that. We all dissed Bush for ignoring early warning signs - when was the last time that international rating agencies were warning the U.S. that it might lose its triple-A rating in the world economy? What greater warning do you need?

And despite all the good it might do (I have my doubts), I think that anyone who believes this new health care law will not lead to more massive deficit spending is living in a fantasy world.

And it's only been a couple of years since the Republicans spent us into the poor house also with unnecessary wars and Wall Street coddling - voters DO remember this!!! "Conservative" Tea Partiers included!!! So I think I can safely say that, right now, BOTH of these political parties make most of us sick.

And here we have a relatively popular governor who could be re-elected, except for the mad rhetoric against him by his own party?!?

What if he DID register as independent and win? What if suddenly there were a world where "independent" was the only true badge of honor and rallying cry left? Third parties are known to usually have no real organization and crumble - but what if the party didn't matter, and the main people who could get elected were people who were already known to the public, or could buy their way to instant recognition, and rally new followers through carefully managed ad campaigns? Movie stars, celebrities, CEOs, unknowns with radical ideas that catch instant publicity....

How quickly did the "Tea Party" (what IS it, anyway!) rally millions just by screaming loudly about basically nothing but I-hate-what-we-got? What political party "organization" was behind the biggest political trend today? Neither, far as I can tell.

Obama didn't win through the power of his party - he swept into power through an internet-fueled PR-image-juggernaut that resonated personally (not rationally) with people, like a new Apple gadget or the latest viral youtube. A flavor-of-the-month that took, what, nine months to evaporate? Same with Senator Scott Brown. This is the model; could this be the future?

Posted by: davidwatching | April 20, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

I don't live in Florida and I don't know what the education bill would have done, but anybody who thinks kids don't do well in school mainly because of teachers are so-o-o-o off the mark - and no, I'm not a teacher nor in education, but I did work over a decade in a juvenile court - the main problem with kids who don't do well in school is their PARENTS - they're too wrapped up in their own lives and problems that the kids and their education is an afterthought - the best teacher in the world can't motivate a kid when he goes home after school to such a screwed up environment - no role models at home, etc. - quit blaming the teachers for how dumb a lot of our kids are -- they aren't the primary problem--

Posted by: southernbutnotstupid | April 20, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

If Crist's words in this speech are an indication of where he really stands on the issues of the day, perhaps he should run as a Democrat! I liked what I heard. Go ahead Republicans, just keep kicking everybody out until you only have Dick Cheney and Sarah Palin left.

Posted by: wendystevens | April 20, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

The GOP would eat or sell its young to win. No surprise they are backing away from Crist as if he's got typhoid. But it's also just more proof that the overwhelming goal of the GOP is simply to regain power. Period. There's been no clear message of what they stand for, what their position is on the issues. What they would do if they manage to get back into power (other than immediately repeal the health care legislation). They are just consumed with the power itself. Leaves voters with a nasty headache. We've got Democrats who aren't delivering (though, even with a majority, it's difficult to work through any legislation when the other party is going to say "no" and resist your every attempt just on principle); Republicans who just want the power, period; and the teabaggers, who aren't coherently for or against anything, other than no taxes (so I guess if their house catches fire, they'll put it out themselves? If their road is full of potholes, they'll fix them themselves?) and are anti-government (in which case, I guess every one of them is going to voluntarily give up their Social Security and Medicare benefits. Right?) It's a shame we don't have a valid, intelligent, coherent third party that could mount a real challenge to the status quo.

Posted by: woebegoner | April 20, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

"Any day now, Florida Gov. Charlie Crist (R) is expected to dump the Republican Party in his election bid for the U.S. Senate and declare himself an independent. Can't say that I blame him."

Would you have blamed Hillary if she had run as an independent against Obama? Or is it that you favor only one strong, united national party instead of two?

Crist should drop out graciously and stay in the Republican Party. His time may come around again, but not if he burns his bridges.

Posted by: Jim-in-Burke | April 20, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Then he must be doing something right.

Posted by: johng1 | April 20, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

If a party is made up of constituents who have different political views than a politician who earlier won within such party, I see absolutely nothing wrong with the politician switching parties. If the new party votes this switching candidate into office, then presumably this candidate is now within a party which better represents his views than the first party (and vice versa). The Republican Party is controlled by the same uneducated neonut fools who allowed Bush and Cheney to destroy this Country for eight long years. If we could only figure out how to exile these fools onto some small island in the Pacific..... I'm sure they would manage to destroy this island quickly. Hopefully the island would then sink.

Posted by: law1 | April 20, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

All the buffoons who post here are so obviously insulated and exposed ONLY to beltway talking points and news. I lived in Florida for 7 years and voted for Crist years ago when he ran for insurance commissioner. People in Florida today are extremely unhappy with him because like our President, he promised wonderful changes that have not materialized or helped people in any meaningful way. Crist is the consumate RINO-- he says he is Republican and talks a good game and even speaks of bi-partisanship-- which is fine as long as the end result of bi-partisanship is something that most people think is good and helpful. When you get a result which is something people dont want and you abandon the principles you said you believed in, your political career is over.

Bye bye Charlie. Too bad you dont live in the DC Metro, simply put a (D) in front of your name and youd as popular as Marion Barry

Posted by: jlarranaga | April 20, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Hey Law1,

Maybe you should check your facts.
Republicans didn't elect Bush and Cheney... it was the same massive but generally uninformed middle 80% that also elected Obama. The 80% in the middle which doesn't pay attention to the issues and listens to what they hear in places like the WAPO are the ones responsible for ALL elections in this country.

As for your idiotic comments about GOP voters being uneducated, I will leave to people with a brain to dissect that comment for what it is-- pure garbage.

There are uneducated poor,rural voters who vote for Republicans for ALL the wrong reasons just like there are poor uneducated people in urban areas who vote for Democrats for all the wrong reasons. Your comments are typical liberal name calling and elitist crap. I hate to break it to you, but you dont have a monopoly on "smart" or running government, because if you did (or anyone did for that matter), we wouldn't be in the massive mess we are in.

Posted by: jlarranaga | April 20, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

What should really worry the Repubs is their dwindling numbers. Do the math. Rubio leads Christ in the Party by double digits but Christ beats him in a three way race. My conclusion is that Rubio appeals to no more than 40% of FL voters. Why are the Repubs so breathless to bill Rubio a rising star. It certainly not clear he could win a state wide race. Sorry Repubs, the 40% majority only works in the Senate.

Posted by: chucko2 | April 20, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Hey,Mr. Capehart....Come to Tampa before you so gleefully jump on Mr Charlie's 3-Wheeled carriage. Give a peek at our sky-hi unemployment, our high foreclosure rate, and before you leave our lovely city, be sure to notice the huge number of vacant high-rises, downtown. Your Mr Charlie is getting out before the tar & feather crowd can push him out.

Posted by: RichFromTampa | April 20, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

The gop. Weren't they the ones in the lsat election whose slogan was "Country First?" Country be damned. All they care about is their getting wackier every minute party. Didn't a political party in Germany in the 30s purge everyone who wasn't a totally ardent supporter? And we all know how that turned out.

Posted by: mikel7 | April 20, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

"Most fiscally conservative people are horrified by Washington's deficit spending. We're sending someone to Washington that will help shut it down. Crist just isn't that guy, Rubio is. Nothing personal."

Then why did you elect and re-elect Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush, the two biggest deficit spenders in our nation's history?

Bill Clinton is the only fiscally conservative president we've had in the last 30 years.

Posted by: pj5106 | April 20, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Not everybody in the GOP hates Crist. I have it on good authority that there are a lot of moderate Florida voters who still like Crist, and a bunch of them are Republicans.

Posted by: theRealCalGal | April 20, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

What is the problem? Both Crist and Rubio have the right to run for the Republican nomination. People who vote in the GOP Primary have the right to nominate the person they prefer.

What bothers me is that some seem to think Crist is entitled to the nomination. He isn't. He is just entitled to run for it.

Chuck02 wrote: "My conclusion is that Rubio appeals to no more than 40% of FL voters." If that is true, Crist and Meek will be splitting 60% of the vote and Rubio has a good chance of winning. Perhaps Crist thought that Obama's initial high popularity would continue indefinitely. It hasn't.

chuck02 wrote: "My conclusion is that Rubio appeals to no more than 40% of FL voters." If that is true,Crist and Meek will be splitting 60% of the vote and Rubio has an excellent chance of winning. Perhaps Crist thought that Obama's popularity would continue indefinately. It hasn't.

Posted by: herlick | April 20, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

mj13 said "Yes, it's quite shocking to see that elected officials who don't follow their constituents desires see their popularity fall. What kind of world can this happen in?" So my question for you is should the Govenor of Florida only follow the desires of 30% of the population or the entire population? Most sane Floridians approved the economic stimulus package. I live in a county that is doing relatively well, only 10% unemployment. As for vetoing the teachers bill, he followed the wishes of his constituents. There were mass rallies all across the state by teachers and concerned parents. The rallies were bigger than any of the tea bagger rallies in the state. So he DID follow the wishes of his constituents. Unlike some people who would only kow tow to the few, Crist stood up for the many. One reason this Democrat will vote for him if he runs as an independant. Run Charlie Run. Time to get some common sense legislators in the Senate.

Posted by: kerama98 | April 21, 2010 7:20 AM | Report abuse

McCain did a stupid thing--actually two (what a surprise!). 1. He didn't pick Charlie Crist as running mate. He would have won Florida & things might have worked differently. 2. He picked some obscure character from Alaska who didn't take much time to exhibit her ignorence & stupidity, as running mate. The thought of her being the president at a heart beat, scared the day light out of people & McCain lost.
Charlie crist would have made a very good running mate & a president at a pinch. He was not 1/2 governor as the other person.
May be it was Obama's luck that McCain's senile brain worked that way.

Posted by: sarvenk63 | April 21, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

"just deserts"? Surely you mean "just desserts"?

Posted by: law2 | April 21, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

The Republican party is fighting wall streets financial reform. The senate banking committee voted for reform, all 10 republicans voted against it. The S.E.C. voted to go after fraud charges against Goldman-Sachs,all republicans on the committee voted to let them off the hook! The American economic meltdown of 2008 was caused by financial institutions playing by loose rules, and was salvaged by the American taxpayers dollars. Yet the very institutions they saved have become bigger and more profitable than ever! Their financial power will become political power, thanks to the Supreme courts decision to treat corporations as individuals. Unlimited funds will flow to republican campaigns. The Republicans will pledge allegiance to these institutions, as we are witnessing now. I respect Charlie Crists bucking the republican agenda. Not moving in lockstep with them. However he runs I will vote for him. As a senator, he might be able to bring the republican party back to the people, from the inside or outside. As far as Rubio goes, being backed by Jeb Bush, means the same old same old.tr

Posted by: roosboys | April 21, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

The headline is wrong. Not everyone hates Charlie Crist. In fact, I don't. I admire him because he stood up for teachers and vetoed a bill further demonising them. He may be the country's only public figure who knows that most teachers are hard-working devoted people, doing their best with limited resources. And he acted on that knowledge. Contrast that with, say the President, and you have a good man. I'll vote for him for the Senate. They could use some common sense.

Posted by: sailhardy | April 21, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

"Most sane Floridians approved the economic stimulus package."

Really? So all you do is classify those who disagree with you as insane, and woila, you can make any assertion tautological. What class.

"he followed the wishes of his constituents"

The fact that his decision appealed to some does not mean it appealed to most, nor have you offered any evidence for your assertion. The fact that he's hemorraging support makes it highly unlikely this decision was widely supported. The fact that you must point to the financial beneficiaries of the veto to find support for your position reinforces that there is no evidence to support this assertion.

"The rallies were bigger than any of the tea bagger rallies"

Directing sexual slurs at people whose opinions you disagree with, more class.

Posted by: mj13 | April 21, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

You didn't explain how Charlie was wronged by Fla Republicans and abandoned by the party. Instead, he was the one who ignored the voters who elected him when he decided to be ALL THINGS TO ALL PEOPLE OF FLA.

Charlie thought he was big enough to get away with doing what he wanted especially after he was overlooked as a VP contender.

The funny thing is the Fla Dems always called Charlie a 'lightweight' as he won elections as a Republican. Now these same Dems are going to support him?

Fickle Dems for a Fickle Charlie does not make a good bumper sticker or a winning campaign. And that is who Crist could hope to attract by this maneuver.

The Republicans already have a strong candidate.

Posted by: mlemac | April 21, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Charlie Crist compromised conservative values. He went to bed with the opposition, and "drank the Kool-Aid for Obama." Now Charlie Crist is learning that actions have consequences.

Charlie Crist, like so many politicians have been taken in by the Obama mystique. Now Charlie Crist MUST face the American People.

Charlie Crist walked the plank for Obama. Now Charlie Crist will see that the American People are the true owners of the government.

WE'LL REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!

Posted by: barrysal | April 21, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

sailhardy says in part "he stood up for teachers and vetoed a bill further demonising them."

Why do you characterize the bill this way? Yes, many teachers are hard working. Do you believe those in other professions aren't? This bill moves teachers toward the same circumstances most Americans work under (even under this bill they have more protection than most). Why do teachers deserve special status? Since your justification for this special status is that they work hard, do you believe non-teachers don't work hard?

Posted by: mj13 | April 21, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

roosboys needs to catch up to the facts. Goldman Sachs donated overwhelmingly to Democrats. But damn the facts and assert whatever supports the narrative, right? Fake But Accurate lives!

Posted by: mj13 | April 21, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Charlie Crist has stood on principles and we all know that those who are running the Republican Party cannot stand anyone who has principles, are of good character, or someone who does what is best for the electorate and America. Crist should and must run as an independent and when he wins the seat he should stay an independent throughout his service in the Senate.

Posted by: truthoverlies1 | April 21, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Let me see if I understand: A politician is responsive to his constituents only if he abides by the vocal 20%!

Somehow, that doesn't sound right. So, if Crist thinks the other 80% should have a choice, let him run even as an independent. At worse he will lose. But at least 100% will have a choice, not just 20%.

Posted by: AMviennaVA | April 21, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Think of Rubio as the anti-Crist, a rough beast slouching toward Washington. If Crist goes Independent, it will be his Second Coming.

Posted by: Blivet1 | April 21, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Think of Rubio, the anti-Crist, as that dark beast slouching toward Washington. If Crist runs independently, it will be his Second Coming.

Posted by: Blivet1 | April 21, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Latest victim of the Party of Crazy Wingnuts.
With Rubios new problems with the IRS, wouldn't it be funny if Crist won as an independent and like Specter either caucused or eventually came over to the Dems?

Posted by: osullivanc1 | April 21, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

sailhardy says in part "he stood up for teachers and vetoed a bill further demonising them."

Why do you characterize the bill this way? Yes, many teachers are hard working. Do you believe those in other professions aren't? This bill moves teachers toward the same circumstances most Americans work under (even under this bill they have more protection than most). Why do teachers deserve special status? Since your justification for this special status is that they work hard, do you believe non-teachers don't work hard?

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Thank you for demonstrating what this alleged "education reform" bill was all about-- union busting. The "who do they think they are" tone of your post suggests someone who feels those uppity teachers deserve to be taken down a peg or two.
Maybe, just maybe, teachers have earned the benefits they now receive.

Posted by: ablum1 | April 21, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

ablum1

Loved your comment. Expecting teachers to be treated only slightly better than the rest of us somehow defines them as "uppity".

It's a sad day in America where those who believe some pigs are more equal than others somehow think they have the moral high ground.

Posted by: mj13 | April 21, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Loved your comment. Expecting teachers to be treated only slightly better than the rest of us somehow defines them as "uppity".

It's a sad day in America where those who believe some pigs are more equal than others somehow think they have the moral high ground.

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Teachers are being treated better than the rest of us? Only if you are selective about what aspects of compensation you choose to focus on. If you want to eliminate tenure to bring teachers in line with other professions, would you be in favor of reducing compensation of doctors to bring them in line with teacher salaries? Why do I feel that that would bring forth a SOCIALIST/MARXIST/COMMIE rant?

There are differing benefits for the different professions. Only by selectively attending to this one difference between teaching and other professions-- while conveniently ignoring other differences that don't weigh in the favor of teachers-- can you make the case that teachers are a privileged class. Of course, you can convince yourself of just about anything if you are selective enough about the facts you attend to and the facts you ignore.

Posted by: ablum1 | April 21, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

"Teachers are being treated better than the rest of us?"

Yes. They and their defenders are whining about being subjected to the same scrutiny virtually everyone else lives with.

I'm not sure why you think comparing their compensation to doctors is appropriate. Are you implying they deserve to make 8 times what average workers do? I see you think some pigs are much more equal than others.

Teachers job structure doesn't relate to compensation unless you're arguing that teachers forego compensation for the protections. If you believe this you should consider how that undermines your theme that they're dedicated professionals not diferent from the rest of us. But even ignoring this the truth is teachers and other government employees do not sacrifice compensation for their special protections. In fact they are compensated well beyond their peers.

Posted by: mj13 | April 21, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: peterg73 | April 20, 2010 3:06 PM
"Most fiscally conservative people are horrified by Washington's deficit spending. We're sending someone to Washington that will help shut it down. Crist just isn't that guy, Rubio is. Nothing personal."

So Peter,
Where were you when cheney and bush were flushing $4 Billion borrowed dollars down a toilet in Iraq?

Where were you when cheney and bush added $5+ Trillion dollars to Reagan/Bush Sr $5 trillion dollar debt and projected 10 year deficits of $8+ Trillion dollars?

Where were you when cheney and bush surrendered to the Taliban and let OBL escape in Tora Bora?

Where were you when cheney and bush let 8 million jobs disappear?

Where were you when cheney and bush deregulated the financial sector and the economy tanked?

Republicans have had the WH for 20 of the last 28 years (1980- 2008) and they have ruined the USA, it took GWB 6 years to learn how to spell "VETO!", we don't need any more people from the party of "HELL NO!"

Now that Ricky has IRS issues and has yet to explain his tobacco company connections it's just more of the same republican corruption.

See ya in November republicans.

Posted by: knjincvc | April 21, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

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