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Immigration vs. climate: Reid, Pelosi do what's politically easier

So whose bright idea was it to announce just before Earth Day that Democrats will prioritize immigration reform over climate change?

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid apparently agreed in a meeting yesterday that moving immigration reform now is a “moral imperative.” As opposed to dealing with climate change?

Putting global warming behind financial reform and immigration, which could easily kick consideration of the climate bill into next year, is transparently political. The Democrats gain a lot more from the GOP lining up to fight an immigration bill -- thereby driving the Latinos to vote for Democrats -- than they do from Republican opposition to a climate bill that many Americans worry will cost them money.

But the politics don’t change the basic points favoring quick and robust action to scale back carbon emissions: We will almost certainly have to deal with the problem some time, and every year we wait, the more expensive it becomes to tackle.

Despite all this, I think Steve Benen forgets one critical fact when he pessimistically argues that the immigration news means a comprehensive climate bill won’t see a vote before 2013 at the earliest. Next year, the Environmental Protection Agency will begin regulating smokestack emissions under the Clean Air Act, a messy and expensive process that should provide Congress with plenty of incentive to take on the issue itself, even with more Republicans. That is, as long as President Obama defends the EPA’s authority to regulate carbon emissions in lieu of real climate regulation, which might require the use of his veto pen.

By Stephen Stromberg  | April 22, 2010; 3:45 PM ET
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One things for sure, any kind of Amnesty will be difficult to pass in this economic environment, as American unemployment continues to rise. The protection of every US workers job should be an ultimate priority.of every politician, including our national security. THE GATES OF ROME REMAIN OPEN, and savage drug dealers, criminal aliens still flow through the border. WE NEED FEDERAL TROOPS ON THE BORDER, TO STOP THIS TRAVESTY OF OUR LAWS. Pro-Amnesty Sen. Harry Reid, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Chuck Schumer, Janet Napolitano, Nancy Pelosi and other proponents.should be first to be voted out and a resonating example made of them. Don't let these lawmakers file away E-Verify, the 287 (G) immigration ICE laws for some other distracting law as a Biometric Card. E-Verify, 287 G has been proven and modifications will stop fraudulent job applicants in future upgrades.

NONE OF OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS HAVE BEEN FULL ENFORCED-MOST HAVE BEEN INTENTIONALLY UNDER FUNDED, SUCH AS THE BORDER FENCE. Anything to enforce immigration laws, which includes Arizona's Senate bill 1070. The sanctuary state of California having to rethink its welcoming laws as Illegal migrants fleeing from Arizona will be arriving there in huge numbers. Already struggling with 18.8 Billion dollar deficit, extra welfare recipients could impact California's economy even more? Decide on the impending Amnesty, costs, population growth, environment, collapsing infrastructure and corruption at NumbersUSA. You might call Arizona Governor Jan Brewer to give her the courage in signing into law, the first strict immigration law in years Telephone (602) 542-4331 Rasmussen poll say 70 % percent of Arizona residents--SUPPORT--this law being passed.

Posted by: infinity555 | April 22, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Once more, Obama screws over his liberal, white supporters for the sake of Big Business & non-whites!

Posted by: pmendez | April 22, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

The irony is that under the hood they're the same issue. Climate change is the direct result of Earth's human population more than quadrupling since 1900.

Earth's human population is now expanding at a rate of over 140 more people every single minute.

If it weren't for overpopulation, we wouldn't be having any effect on the climate.

And immigration? The same. Mexico had 20 million people in 1940. That exploded to over 100 million people by 2000. Mexico lacks the carrying capacity and the social infrastructure to hold that many people.

So Mexico's ruling elite had a bright idea. Encourage Mexico's least literate, least educated peasantry to move to America. If any Americans object, we'll just claim they're racists and they invited them anyway.

Of course most Americans did no such thing. America's richest of the rich invited them, so they could bust the unions and drive down blue collar wages, meanwhile pocketing the profits of their cheap labor while outsourcing their massive social costs to ordinary taxpayers.

They've been abetted in this scheme by the Catholic Church, which has ordered American Catholics to disobey American laws when they conflict with Church doctrine and has shamelessly meddled with our political system in its drive to dominate America as it does Latin America.

The result has been anti-abortionism becoming the only issue millions of Americans care about, while overpopulation has all but disappeared as a social issue.

So it's not the supposed "job magnet." Mexicans didn't come here in earlier years, even though that job magnet was just as strong. They started coming here when overpopulation destroyed Mexico's economy.

And now American liberals have drunk the Kool-Aid, believing that it's somehow America's fault that Mexicans had more children than they could feed. The Mexico's wealthy ruling class laughs at our foolishness.

So overpopulation fuels both climate change and immigration.

And if we had the wits God gave gophers we'd offer to help Mexicans in Mexico--help them establish planned parenthood clinics across the country and, most critically, to implement China's One Child law.

And then, since Mexican overpopulation is not our fault, we should implement a universal biometric ID system and use it to make jobs and social services unavailable to anyone who isn't here legally (except for emergency medical services, followed by prompt deportation).

This is especially critical since Americans consume far more of Earth's resources than the average Mexican in Mexico. So we'll do the planet a favor by making citizens of Mexico return whence they cometh.

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Posted by: ehkzu | April 22, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Immigration "reform" has been done to death. It was done in the 1960s and again in the 1980s. Both times by liberal Democrats.

Rewarding the immigration outlaws with cheap and easy, American citizenship is a total outrage to most Americans.

Obama seems to have a death wish for himself and his fellow socialists. He is bent on angering as many Americans as he can.

I can't wait to cast my votes in November to help end this nightmare.

Posted by: battleground51 | April 22, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

I disagree with the statement "Immigration vs. climate: Reid, Pelosi do what's politically easier". No they will do what is to their political advantage. Not that they will do anything to stop illegal immigration. They may talk about reform but that is double speak for keeping the borders open and offer amnesty and a voter registration card to sign up all of those new democratic voters.

Posted by: Curly4 | April 22, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Your generalization is somewhat inaccurate: Although many liberal dems favor amnesty, the support for maintaining the open borders comes mainly from the 'slave labor' wing of the republican party. The GOP supports open borders, and of course, the H1-B program because they both help keep wages down.

To blame amnesty on the dems is just nonsense.

Posted by: BattleOffSamar | April 22, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

If amnesty is favored by the Democrats, then why did Bush push it so hard? I mean besides as payback to Alberto Gonzalez for taking the fall for him over the AG firings.

Unrestricted immigration is favored by more republicans than democrats. Democrats, led by the unions, would close the borders tomorrow if they could.

Your argument is totally wrong.

Posted by: BattleOffSamar | April 22, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

We will see which politicians want their job, when immegration reform comes up.

Although hispanic voter numbers continue to increase ,they are still in the minority.

Black and white Americans overwhelmingly are against any amnesty plan.

If you are here legaly , welcome, if not go home.

Posted by: rlkidd58 | April 22, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

We will see which politicians want their job, when immegration reform comes up.

Although hispanic voter numbers continue to increase ,they are still in the minority.

Black and white Americans overwhelmingly are against any amnesty plan.

If you are here legaly , welcome, if not go home.

Posted by: rlkidd58 | April 22, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

I WOV the bunkum on the Arizona Immigration Bill.
ARIZONA STATE SENATE

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/summary/s.1070pshs.doc.htm

Forty-ninth Legislature, Second Regular Session

FACT SHEET FOR S.B. 1070
immigration; law enforcement; safe neighborhoods
======================================
Enforcement

1. Requires a reasonable attempt to be made to determine the immigration status of a person during any legitimate contact made by an official or agency of the state or a county, city, town or political subdivision (political subdivision) if reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the U.S.

2. Requires the person’s immigration status to be verified with the federal government pursuant to federal law.

3. Requires an alien unlawfully present in the U.S. who is convicted of a violation of state or local law to be transferred immediately to the custody of ICE or Customs and Border Protection, on discharge from imprisonment or assessment of any fine that is imposed.

4. Allows a law enforcement agency to securely transport an alien who is unlawfully present in the U.S. and who is in the agency’s custody to:

a) a federal facility in this state or

b) any other point of transfer into federal custody that is outside the jurisdiction of the law enforcement agency.

5. Allows a law enforcement officer, without a warrant, to arrest a person if the officer has probable cause to believe that the person has committed any public offense that makes the person removable from the U.S.

6. Prohibits officials or agencies of the state and political subdivisions from being prevented or restricted from sending, receiving or maintaining an individual’s immigration status information or exchanging that information with any other governmental entity for the following official purposes:
============================

There is more.. it is just as good. Keep in mind that it addresses illegal aliens, and with most of the illegal aliens arriving (with the help of the Mexican Authorities)from Latin America, a majority of the illegal aliens are Latin Americans.

Posted by: joelwisch | April 22, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

BattleOffSamar:

You are so completely and totally stuck in the cluelessdom of Us vs. Them politics that it is sad.

The rich, globalist elites of BOTH parties want open borders.

The Republicans want more cheap, docile labor.

The Democrats want more stupid poor people (their natural constituency).

Unions want more unskilled, poor workers to organize. Look at Andy Stern's SEIU.

Show me ONE union that has not advocated for amnesty for illegal aliens, er, "undocumented workers." Post ONE link to a union position statement against amnesty or in favor of E-Verify!

Posted by: pmendez | April 22, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

RLKIDD58:

You are correct that Latinos are still a minority -- about 13% of population.

Millions are not citizens and cannot vote (at least in states other than Maryland).

In addition, keep in mind that Latinos have low turnout rates compared to whites and blacks, and that many Latinos are still children under the voting age.

FURTHERMORE, Latinos are concentrated in relatively few states, many of which are not "battleground" states when it comes to the presidential election.

FINALLY, a majority of Hispanic-Americans are not in favor of amnesty for illegal aliens. They came here the right way, and resent illegals who compete unfairly with them for work & resources.

Posted by: pmendez | April 22, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Giving illegals amnesty will do nothing but encourage more inflows of the same. Anger will rise and violence will follow.

This country cannot support those who are here legally. We're out of jobs and perhaps a future.

Mexico needs to learn to deal with their social problems, themselves. Exporting their illiterate poor into this country is not the answer.

Posted by: veerle1 | April 22, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

to battleground51

get your facts straight. The 1986 Immigration Act was passed by one of your dearest republicans Ronald Reagan. I believe we can come to a comprehensible solution to this problem, you people get fixated on amnesty and bla bla bla. These people don't want citizenship, they just want to work without fear of arrest or questions.

Posted by: thrublue | April 22, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

"I am glad that senator McCain has not
brought my muslim faith into this campaign as an issue."

B.Obama

My God, they killed Free Speech!
south park
RIP 4/21/2010

Posted by: simonsays1 | April 22, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

To trublue

Your statement is a bit misleading. Reagan signed the amnesty because it was a compromise that everyone thought was fair. In exchange for amnesty, conservatives got a commitment from liberals to control the border and never have another amnesty. The liberals had no intention of honoring their commitment, and Reagan regretted signing the bill. I also supported the amnesty and now regret my support. The problem now is that Hispanics consider citizenship an entitlement.

Posted by: hipshot | April 22, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Irony of the day: the very people most likely to be in the Tea Party: self-employed middle class folks like farmers and contractors and such... are the very people that prevent immigration reform.... and are the very people that hire most of the illegals.

Posted by: steveboyington | April 22, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Climate change means NOTHING whatsoever to those who are facing brown faces racing across the borders of Arizona. And, when you add the actual fact that Americans during W's reign absolutely refused his idea about giving honest people a chance to participate in America's dream, because, guess what, they are brown, and W. had a lot of experience with honest, hardworking people who were brown, and what happened.??
Floods of calls from all over defeating his idea about reforming immigration.
If W. couldn't do it, what makes anyone think Obama can do it.
Republicans hate anyone who isn't Republican. And, even those who ARE.

Posted by: cms1 | April 22, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

To cms1

You argue for an open immigration system, whether you realize it or not. For me, as the saying goes: "my mama may have raised a crazy man, but she did not raise a fool."

Posted by: hipshot | April 22, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Easier?

The lack of Responsible Immigration Reform in 2007 is what has Crashed our Economy, how ever far worse it has caused a resurgence of Racism, and Hate in America.

January 2008 = The Start of the E-verify Law (Sponsored by a former Sheriff Arpio Deputy put in place by the King himself.)
This law was designed to Litterallly Starve "good" hard working "Humans" into leaving America , even though they had been a part of us for nearly thirty years, and were mostly Good Family Units made up of both Legal U.S. Citizens and Un-documented Immigrants, like my family!

January 2008 = Start of the "Worst Recession in U.S. History."

This is No Co-incidence!

All States including mine that Deported or Starved away their hard working Tax Base, as counted all along as "Citizens by the U.S. Census are now in Total Economic Disaster!

These States now have massive Excess Government Services across the board!

Rather than cut Government Services to match the new smaller Tax Base they are trying to raise Taxes!

Sheriff Arpio has in reality fired not only many of his Deputies, but many of all other sectors of Government Services in Az. with the Deportations!

Now in perfect timing, just after counting these good Immigrants in the U.S. Census, the State of Arizona is trying to pass an "Evil" Hate Immigrant Law so they can after Fleecing the Federal Government for Ten Years of money for these Immigrants, now Deport them all and Party with the illgoten Census Booty!
(This Evil Law also sponsored by Arpio's former Deputy, and done exclusively for the King Arpio!)

A wise 1840's French Historian said: "America is great because it is good, when it ceases to be good it ceases to be great."

Deporting Good Hard working "Humans", away from their "Citizen" Children, and Secretly Incarcerating Women and their small Children in small jail cells with out windows Indefinitly, can not be considered as "Good" in any Country!

No Immigration Reform in 2010?

No Economic Recovery in America this Decade?

To: Good and Brotherhood, from sea to shining sea.

Posted by: nicholsdaves | April 22, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

tom ALL,

i can tell you why immigration "reform" is being pushed right now.= Princess Pelosi & a few other DIMocRAT "leaders" KNOW that they will LOSE BOTH HOUSES of Congress in about SIX MONTHS & they want a "victory" (or anything that they can try to spin as "a victory") before election day 2010, to TRY to minimize the LANDSLIDE that is about to run over the DIMocRAT Party. - that's WHY!

"healthcare reform", which was OPPOSED by 2/3 of voters FINISHED the DIMocRATS for the next few years & perhaps forever. = we Tea Party folks will NEVER let the voters forget what BHO & the DIMocRATS did, when they were "in charge of" the Congress & the WH. ====> that's why the DOIMocRATS & their parrots in the main-SLIME media are accusing the TPP of everything that they can think of to make the Tea Party look BAD. - FYI, the VOTERS are NOT misled or fooled & the DIMocRATS are DONE.

Princess Pelosi, at the current rate of desertion of the voters away from the DIMocRATS, will SOON be the "speaker of the OUTHOUSE" & nothing more than that.

yours, TN46

Posted by: texasnative46 | April 22, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

to ALL,

i can tell you why immigration "reform" is being pushed right now.= Princess Pelosi & a few other DIMocRAT "leaders" are smart enough to KNOW that they will LOSE BOTH HOUSES of Congress in about SIX MONTHS & they want a "victory" (or anything that they can try to "spin" as "a victory") before election day 2010, to TRY to minimize the LANDSLIDE that is about to BURY the DIMocRAT Party. - that's WHY!

"healthcare reform", which was OPPOSED by 2/3 of voters FINISHED the DIMocRATS for the next few years & perhaps forever. = we Tea Party folks will NEVER let the voters forget what BHO & the DIMocRATS did, when they were "in charge of" the Congress & the WH.
that's why the DIMocRATS & their "parrots" in the main-SLIME media are accusing the TPP of everything that they can think of to make the Tea Party look BAD. - FYI, the VOTERS are NOT misled or fooled & the DIMocRATS are DONE.

Princess Pelosi, at the current rate of desertion of the voters away from the DIMocRATS, will SOON be the "speaker of the OUTHOUSE" & nothing more than that.

yours, TN46

Posted by: texasnative46 | April 22, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Stromberg seems to think that the word "political", as in "transparently political", is a dirty word.

I prefer to see democracy at work. Elected officials are counting votes as they consider policy options. Unless we conclude that elected officials are smarter than voters, and that the influence of big campaign money on their decisions is more beneficial than the influence of self-interest on voters' decisions, this is a good thing.

In addition, I think the concerns of the millions of poor immigrant laborers to whom American industry has addicted the nation deserve moral priority over the environmental concerns of wealthy white Anglo-Saxon Protestants.

Posted by: douglaslbarber | April 23, 2010 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Pelosi is smart enough to know the western Democrats are not going to get re-elected without a good Latino turnout. The dumbest thing the GOP could do -- would be to be perceived as anti-immigrant -- anti-Mexican. This would almost guarantee the re-election of Pelosi, Waxman and Boxer.

What's it going to be? How bad do the Republicans want to replace Boxer, Reid, Pelosi or Waxman? If the Republicans fight immigration reform - - they will be committing political suicide for another generation. Besides, climate change legislation is just a bogus issue anyway.

Posted by: alance | April 23, 2010 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Did all of you forget about Reagan's amnesty? In 1986, Reagan signed an immigration reform bill, the first in 20 years, that legalized the status for 1.7-million people.
This is not just a democrat idea ... but the current members of the GOP are so scared by the little old ladies and cranky men in the tea party that they won't look at anything that might get them in trouble with their dwindling supporters!

Posted by: paris1969 | April 23, 2010 12:42 AM | Report abuse

This mass amnesty free-for-all for outlaw immigrants is nothing more than a huge, voter registration drive for Democrats. It is at taxpayer expense and rewards criminal behavior. It is an outrage to lawful, American citizens and legal immigrants.

America is inundated with unskilled and poorly educated illegal aliens. This at a time when American UNemployment is somewhere between 10% and 20%.

The Democrats are unbelievably stupid and corrupt. All they will do is create another underclass of disadvantaged citizens. It's mind boggling that Democrats would do such a thing just to fatten their voting rolls.

It borders on treason in my book.

Posted by: battleground51 | April 23, 2010 7:28 AM | Report abuse

I disagree with Stromberg here, it really makes MORE sense to tackle immigration reform now, and climate change latter. The main reason for this is that immigration reform is more of a bi-partisan issue than climate change legislation, and given the highly partisan environment now, I find it hard to believe that any meaningful climate change legislation can be passed this year. Better to pass comprehensive immigration reform, hopefully energizing the immigrant vote in America, in order to reduce losses this November. Then, spend the time needed to get in a good political position to pass real climate change legislation in 2013 or 2015.

Posted by: floorgoblin | April 23, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

There is great irony in the headline: Immigration vs. Climate. A change in climate fostered the great exodus from the midwest to California in the Dust Bowl. Woody Guthrie's music was inspired by the inhumanity. Is there a new Woody Guthrie ready to take up the cause of the artist? .......

http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/10/09/where-is-woody-guthrie/

Posted by: glclark4750 | April 23, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Is there no end to the damage to America that Democrats intend to inflict on our population?

So the Gaia-worshippers want to legalize millions more citizens, so they can access our bloated entitlement program, in the midst of the Obama depression?

Unbelievable. Retire the trophy, worst president and Congress ever.

Posted by: NoDonkey | April 23, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

The Unions see granting amnesty as a way to get a whole lot of NEW union membership for the services industries, where most of the illegals find employment anyway. The old union members are retiring, and the old manufacturing jobs are long gone from the USA...so watch how if any illegals comeforward, they will become forced to join Unions in order to get any jobs.

Fool the Hispanics is the name of the game, just like the Civil Rights Act followed by "welfare and Affirmative Action" were designed to enslave the African Americans once more, economically rather than mere ownership as property.

Will the working public never learn that the Democratic Party is NOT their protector...but is their enslavement party.

Posted by: joelevin | April 23, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

I think what would take care of many things in this country is if Congress could be held legally liable including personal assets for treating people differently based on race, religion, national origin (including here), sex, age, etc.
Let's try it and see. Health care..sure but the government can't pay any less for the one's they cover than insurance pays. :-)
Immigration reform sure..but whatever the government gives to them, it has to give exactly the same to everyone in the nation. :-)
I bet Pelosi and Reid would even oppose it then. Our government has never treated everyone equally. It can't afford to.

Posted by: LuckyGrad68 | April 23, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

"Irony of the day: the very people most likely to be in the Tea Party: self-employed middle class folks like farmers and contractors and such... are the very people that prevent immigration reform.... and are the very people that hire most of the illegals.

Posted by: steveboyington"


Hahahhaha *belly rolling*.
Very very true. .

Now, according to the law, is 6 months of jail AND $2,500. My question is, how will that subject pay the $2,500? Does that subject gets released in U.S soil, spanked and told "go get a job at the Arizona Mills Mall to pay your debt"? or more like "Ok, well you are back in your country, go get a job at new Walmart that just opened near the Aztec pyramids in Mexico city and send us our money"?

Posted by: R3N364D3 | April 26, 2010 6:48 AM | Report abuse

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