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McDonnell backpedals on Confederate History Month

By Lee Hockstader

So it turns out that slavery did cause the Civil War. So says Bob McDonnell, Republican governor of Virginia -- a student of the Better Late Than Never School of Political Damage Control.

On Tuesday the governor issued a proclamation that declared April as Confederate History Month, noted that “all Virginians” honored the Confederacy’s sacrifice and, amazingly, included no mention of slavery or slaves. Never mind that nearly half a million black slaves lived in Virginia at the time, or that large numbers of Virginians (especially non-slave owners) opposed secession.

In response to an onslaught of public, private and online criticism -- and specifically to one particular critic who McDonnell really cares about -- the governor late Wednesday issued a statement that amounts to a mea culpa. He acknowledged that airbrushing the nagging issue of slavery was “a major omission” and a “mistake,” and he apologized for it.

Basically, there are now two proclamations -- one that glorifies the Confederacy, the other that wallows in Virginia’s historical guilt. (In addition to being evil, vicious, etc., slavery, said the governor in proclamation no. 2, “has left a stain on the soul of this state and nation.”)

Do you pine for the gallantry of the soldiers in grey, affix Confederate flags to your pickup’s antenna and delight in rebel yells at football games? Or do you regard the Confederate cause as a fundamentally racist and treasonous project whose defeat was a blessing? Take your pick: McDonnell’s got a proclamation for each constituency.

Let’s be fair. While McDonnell was raked through the coals as a candidate last fall for his now-notorious, retrograde 20-year-old thesis, his comportment during the campaign was moderate, civil, substantive and reassuring. Ditto his performance since his inauguration in January. Understated and affable, the governor took pains to align himself with what is undeniably a purple state, and one that has shown distaste for divisive politics.

That’s why the first proclamation -- the one that glossed over history -- was so jarring. It seemed out of character for McDonnell to pick a fight when none was needed -- especially on a question of race and historical honesty. And igniting gratuitous firestorms is not a recipe for future political success.

It took more than 24 hours, but McDonnell finally got that. That’s good. What disturbing, though, is how stubborn he was to get it, initially downplaying slavery’s significance as just one of “any number of aspects to that conflict between the states.” (What history books has this guy been reading?)

What really seems to have opened the governor’s eyes was one person: Sheila Johnson. Johnson, the African-American co-founder of Black Entertainment Television, was a key backer -- the key backer -- of McDonnell’s campaign. Her support was so important to McDonnell that barely a day passed when he didn’t mention it, and she was featured front-and-center in his campaign advertising. Single-handedly, she conferred respectability on him not only as conciliatory on race, but as pro-business.

For a solid 24 hours, McDonnell and his aides defended and excused the first proclamation. But the wind suddenly went out of their defense shortly after Johnson issued the following damning statement Wednesday afternoon:

“I must condemn Gov. McDonnell’s proclamation honoring ‘Confederate History Month’ and its insensitive disregard of Virginia’s complicated and painful history, the remnants of which many Virginians still wrestle with today,“ said Johnson, an African-American business owner.

“The complete omission of slavery from an official government document, which purports to be a call for Virginians to ‘understand’ and ‘study’ their history, is both academically flawed and personally offensive. If Virginians are to celebrate their ‘shared history’ as this proclamation suggests, then the whole truth of this history must be recognized and not evaded.”

Johnson deserves credit for butting heads with the man she helped put in office, and for helping right a wrong. As for McDonnell, the jury is still out. Has he learned a real lesson about the importance of historical truth, or simply bowed to political expediency?

By Lee Hockstader  | April 7, 2010; 7:02 PM ET
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Thank you, Governor! and thank you, Ms. Johnson!
Yes, we love our history and our heritage, without blinding our eyes to the evils and mistakes. Let us learn together from this history and make a better future for Virginia.
Please call it "Civil War History Month" and I will take time off from work to help you celebrate it!
David Ricks
Leesburg

Posted by: dricks | April 7, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

i think its fair to say that the "slavery was wrong" part was implied.

Posted by: dummypants | April 7, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Now What? These people from this state can't celebrate their history. Listen we have Black history month and many others. This country was made up from many different facets. Please stop all the nonsense! I fought for my country so we all can have a place where all of us can express and celebrate our heritage which makes up who we are both good and bad. Get over it,get a life let's move on!

Posted by: donnyvosburgh | April 7, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Or maybe Governor McDonnell actually was interested in attracting tourists to visit some of our battlefields, Appomattox, Richmond, etc as the 150th anniversary of the Civil War approaches. Maybe he misjudged how to best pitch Virginia as an important part of our history. Maybe his apology/correction was just his realization that some people were offended and slighted by a proclamation that wasn't meant to offend or slight anyone.

Every politician has an agenda, but why does everyone have to take it so personally when a political agenda doesn't reflect their own views. Simmer down, people!

Posted by: giotto | April 7, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

donnyvosburgh, it's kinda hard when your grandmother who is over 100 years old, was a slave and indentured servant...is still alive and we're reminded of her beatings! Donny, when is EVER proper to hit, beat or rape an innocent YOU STUPID JERK!
My family will never forget. SHE IS STILL ALIVE YOU ASS!!

Posted by: gr8bigguy | April 7, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

donnyvosburgh, it's kinda hard to forget and "move on" when your grandmother who is over 100 years old, was a slave and indentured servant after slavery was abolished..is still alive and we're reminded of her beatings! Donny, when is it EVER proper to hit, beat or rape an innocent WOMAN -- YOU STUPID JERK!
My family will never forget. SHE IS STILL ALIVE YOU ASS!!

Posted by: gr8bigguy | April 7, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

So expeiency wins, and perhaps the next time Johnson will look further than skin deep before throwing her weight behind a candidate.

I wonder how Virginia would like it if every year the Union celebrated it's victory in the Civil War. I wonder how Virginia would like it if Massachusetts celebrated the human victory of the abolition movement. I wonder how Virginia would like it if every year it was treated to watching Sherman storm through the South torching everything in sight.

Well, how do they think the rest of this country feels about these exercizes in retrogressive human insanity?

Virginia is a proud state. It is a wonderful, beautiful state. But the Civil War and everything about it is a huge stain on the history of this country.

It's as if New York decided to celebrate the Russian Revolution. And what's worse is that as red in the face to match some red necks as some would get, REAL AMERICANS died in the insanity and outright inhumanity generated by the Civil War.

It's over. Get over it. It's done. Move on. There are so many wonderful things we could do as a country if we would JUST STOP fighting ourselves. We're turning into the Ancient Greeks. And look what happened to them. Mightiest empire ever, won over with a feather by the Romans!

Posted by: ethanquern | April 7, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Slavery was, without a doubt a blemish on our history and heritage. But so were many other things our society and government had done, such as the eugenics policy in effect up until Hitler'r reign in Germany, the McCarthy era of the 1950's where everyone could be turned in as a "Commie" for almost no valid reason at all, just to name a couple. But I cannot believe that there are people who still think that the Civil War was caused by slavery! I mean, come on! Read your history. And not the history that was written and endorsed by the government after the war. I'm talkng about the rest of the story. First AND foremost, the war had to do with STATE RIGHTS...state goverment versus centralized goverment. The South fought for state autonomy because the central government had become way too strong and ursurped the powers from state and local governments (sound familiar???). Slavery, though wrong, was a propaganda issue to get people in the south to turn against their way of life and fight for and support government centralization. It didn't work. Why? Because not everyone in the south believed in slavery, for one. For two, not everyone owned slaves in the south (ironically, they were too expensive). People like General Robert E. Lee willingly freed his slaves. He didn't believe in it, and all the slaves had to do was come ask for their papers. If Lee had the money, he would have hired them as regular laborers. He wasn't alone in this. Many, many people in the south felt the same way. By the way, statistically speaking, 90% of all slaves in the south were owned by less than 10% of the population. Namely, the filthy rich of the antebellum period.
Anyway, why are people today still fretting over something our ancestors did? And why should any of us feel sorry or guilty about it? It was a way of life, and, though very unfortunate, agriculturalists became dependent on slavery. They, not us today, were wrong, regardless of the reasons. We should not have to apologize for anything. We should be proud that the rest of our ancestors fought for something great - a confederate form of government of which the centralized government would have only three powers - AS STATED IN THE US CONSTITUTION - protect the borders, print money and solve legal disputes between states. The states had and should still have the right to self-govern. State governments are closer to the people, who, incidentally, ARE the soveriegn.

Posted by: peterjohnevan | April 7, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

"(What history books has this guy been reading?)"

Well, he went to Pat Robertson's "university," so its a fair bet he read the "history" books where white "christians" never do anything wrong.

Posted by: nodebris | April 7, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

And yes, the scare quotes and lower casing were intentional.

Posted by: nodebris | April 7, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Sheila Johnson and her former husband Bob created more pain and suffering through BET than any proclamation of Confederate History Month.
Sheila Johnson sold out and I'm not talking about to McDonald but she sold out for money. She and her former husband Bob sanctioned the nasty treatment of young women and men in videos, all the while taking the money and dividing it up and going separate ways. Sheila provided a venue for young woman to shake their rumps while she taught her own daughter how to be an equestrian. McDonald the clown can have her. If Sheila and her husband want to repent she should repay every cent she took and spend it on woman who have been abused. He should also spend his on educating young black men on how they should treat woman.

Posted by: MILLER123 | April 7, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

In addition to Sheila Johnson, I bet Gov. Wilder is feeling the full extent of his gullibility right about now.

And just wait! It's just beginning, trust me.

Posted by: nodebris | April 7, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Civil-minded Virginians of all persuasions should NOT forget, his mea culpa notwithstanding. He and his attorney general have come at their jobs with a zeal to rewrite VA's history. Never forget, voters!

Posted by: Jose5 | April 7, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Without slaves, there would have been no confederacy. Without slavery, there would have been no civil war. Confederates were and are traitors.
Neoconfederates who hate my country should move to Argentina. The descendants of confederate escapees will welcome them with open arms. They still hold southern balls, complete with confederatetraitor uniforms and GWTW ball gowns.

Posted by: ChristianLibrul | April 7, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Oh, how many blogs did I read today from Confederate apologists about how slavery had so little to do with causing the Civil War. Now the Governor of Virgina, who has finally found religion, states emphatically SLAVERY CAUSED THE AMERICAN CIVIL WAR ..and will always remain a stain on Virginia's history. Take that Corn federates!

Posted by: logcabin1836 | April 7, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Governor McDonnell,

I deeply regret that you are not focusing your intellect and energy on the creation of jobs and Virginia's economic recovery. I respectively encourage you to drive programs that pull us of varying economic, cultural and racial differences together. Celebrating a historic American tragedy is distracting, if not divisive.

In my judgment, you are a good person and I pray we Virginians will move forward from this national embarrassment (Confederate History Month) and make Virginia an even greater State.

Regards, Bill Payne

Posted by: payne1942 | April 7, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Sheila Johnson. I'll BET you are just
amazed, shocked and surprised.

McDonnell thinks you are a colored, don't you get that? These people are racists? What is wrong with you?

You made fun of Deeds, he talks funny right? Do you think it is funny now?

Your cracker, the politician you thought you bought, is making fun of you.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 7, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Governor McDonnell,

I deeply regret that you are not focusing your intellect and energy on the creation of jobs and Virginia's economic recovery. I respectively encourage you to drive programs that pull us of varying economic, cultural and racial differences together. Celebrating a historic American tragedy is distracting, if not divisive.

In my judgment, you are a good person and I pray we Virginians will move forward from this national embarrassment (Confederate History Month) and make Virginia an even greater State.

Regards, Bill Payne

Posted by: payne1942 | April 7, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

PS...and another note for those Confederate slavery apologists....The Civil War began because the country elected a president who opposed slavery....the Hon. Abraham Lincoln. Hooray For The Union!

Don't believe me?...ask Gov.McDonnell

Posted by: logcabin1836 | April 7, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

If you are traveling through Virginia please stop and Pee, but don't buy anything. That will surely help tourism and put Virginia on the map for something!

Posted by: oakiedokie | April 7, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

First, slavery was wrong. Period.

Now, can those that think the Civil War was about slavery answer two questions: Why did it take THREE years for the Emancipation Proclamation? Why did the Emancipation Proclamation only free slaves in states that were in revolt?

The first action of the Civil War was against a customs house, not a plantation.

Posted by: leec2 | April 7, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the comments posted by Christian what about all the thousands of union soldiers who gave their lives to keep this one nation . Virginians died for the greed of rich Virginian plantation owners who made their fortunes on the backs of slave that is really something to celebrate about.

Posted by: wickman008 | April 7, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Too late! Talk about stepping in some deep "macacca"! This ghost should never have been raised from the dead.

Harry Byrd's "massive resistance" campaign to fight desegregation failed, "separate but equal" was declared unconstitutional, yet the Governor felt a need to appease the same forces that would have kept Jim Crow alive? Dumb move! How quickly people forget!

Between Michael Steele, Bob McDonnell, and Ken Cuccinelli, champagne bottles must be popping throughout the halls of the Democratic Party. Next, Limbaugh will probably start whining about the Washington Post's "unbalanced reporting." Bob Erlich must be wishing he had never declared his candidacy with such fools representing the Republican Party! An angry electorate is a scary thing.

This move by the Governor won't help Virginia tourism, it can only hurt it. That's sad, because every thinking person in our area should visit the White House of the Confederacy. My tour guide happened to be an African American Vietnam War Veteran who had converted to Islam. Jefferson Davis must have been spinning in his grave.

Posted by: dannykurland1 | April 7, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

The Governor might be channeling Texas educators. This is the beginning of a new past! Don't be surprised if no one remembers it!

Posted by: rbpublic | April 7, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Seems that Mr. Hockstader has forgotten about the Tariff of 1832 and the fact that the great Mr. Lincoln actually wrote a letter to Horace Greely stating, "my paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and it is not either to save or destroy slavery, If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it." In fact, Mr. Lincoln never freed a single slave. The great emancipation proclamation only freed slaves in the seceding States which at that point he had no authority over. He didn't mention the freeing of slaves in the Union? Why not, if he truly wanted to end slavery? Truth is, slavery was legal in New Jersey until the war was over and they even refused to ratify the 13th amendment in 1865. Why did it take Lincoln two years to write the emancipation proclamation if he wanted to free slaves so badly? I am not saying slavery was right in any way. I am simply stating the facts. Sometimes people like to forget the facts. Especially when it makes their hero's look as bad as everyone else. And for those of us whose great great grandfathers never owned a slave, barely had enough food to eat, and gave their life fighting for freedom from an oppressive government I would say it is about time someone spoke up for their honor. I only wish that we had the backbone our forefathers had. God bless the South. Isn't it funny how the South is such a horrible place for African Americans yet according to recent population polls out of the 50 States in the union, the eleven that seceded still have over 50% of the African American population. Over 50% in only 1/5 the USA. What does that tell you about the way us horrible Southerners treat people? I guarantee you won't find many a northerner that still greets people with a yes ma'am and no ma'am. Yes, Hockstader, regardless of our few mistakes in history we are still regarded around the world as the friendliest place to visit. Just don't stay too long, we still don't take to kindly to you carpetbaggers.

Posted by: davidstory | April 7, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Lord God above, forgive the Governor of Virginia for he knows not what he is doing. His foolish proclamation is typical of the backward thinking and looking that we see in this "modern" republican party. It is scary and frieghtening to watch. Congress woman Bachman questioning if Congress men Lewis and Clever were called the "N" word and Clever or Cleveland (forget the man's actual name) was spit on. The spitting is caught on tape and their is a recording of Congress man Lewis being called the "N" word on his congressional office phone.

This republican party is dangerous and taking this country down a slippery slope of racial tension in this country. Their words, actions and sometimes inactions are supporting a volatile atmosphere. This should teach ALL of us who sat on our hands during the gubernatorial election last year. No election is safe. We need to remain vigilant and ensure we do not allow backward thinking people to win elected positions. Let REAL, TRUE Patriots unite and keep the U.S. strong through unity not divison. For divided we fall!

Posted by: ajackson3 | April 7, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Seems that Mr. Hockstader has forgotten about the Tariff of 1832 and the fact that the great Mr. Lincoln actually wrote a letter to Horace Greely stating, "my paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and it is not either to save or destroy slavery, If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it." In fact, Mr. Lincoln never freed a single slave. The great emancipation proclamation only freed slaves in the seceding States which at that point he had no authority over. He didn't mention the freeing of slaves in the Union? Why not, if he truly wanted to end slavery? Truth is, slavery was legal in New Jersey until the war was over and they even refused to ratify the 13th amendment in 1865. Why did it take Lincoln two years to write the emancipation proclamation if he wanted to free slaves so badly? I am not saying slavery was right in any way. I am simply stating the facts. Sometimes people like to forget the facts. Especially when it makes their hero's look as bad as everyone else. And for those of us whose great great grandfathers never owned a slave, barely had enough food to eat, and gave their life fighting for freedom from an oppressive government I would say it is about time someone spoke up for their honor. I only wish that we had the backbone our forefathers had. God bless the South. Isn't it funny how the South is such a horrible place for African Americans yet according to recent population polls out of the 50 States in the union, the eleven that seceded still have over 50% of the African American population. Over 50% in only 1/5 the USA. What does that tell you about the way us horrible Southerners treat people? I guarantee you won't find many a northerner that still greets people with a yes ma'am and no ma'am. Yes, Hockstader, regardless of our few mistakes in history we are still regarded around the world as the friendliest place to visit. Just don't stay too long, we still don't take to kindly to you carpetbaggers.

Posted by: davidstory | April 7, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

"What history books has this guy been reading?" you ask. The history books the idiots here in Texas are trying to shove down the rest of the country's throats that's which ones! Having lived in both Virginia and Texas, I can tell you that sh*t sells to the tea-bag set and that's who both McDuffus and our lovely Texas governor, GoodHair-butno brains is selling to the scum of the earth!

Posted by: cameracowboy | April 7, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Lord God above, forgive the Governor of Virginia for he knows not what he is doing. His foolish proclamation is typical of the backward thinking and looking that we see in this "modern" republican party. It is scary and frieghtening to watch. Congress woman Bachman questioning if Congress men Lewis and Clever were called the "N" word and Clever or Cleveland (forget the man's actual name) was spit on. The spitting is caught on tape and their is a recording of Congress man Lewis being called the "N" word on his congressional office phone.

This republican party is dangerous and taking this country down a slippery slope of racial tension in this country. Their words, actions and sometimes inactions are supporting a volatile atmosphere. This should teach ALL of us who sat on our hands during the gubernatorial election last year. No election is safe. We need to remain vigilant and ensure we do not allow backward thinking people to win elected positions. Let REAL, TRUE Patriots unite and keep the U.S. strong through unity not divison. For divided we fall!

Posted by: ajackson3 | April 7, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Seems that Mr. Hockstader has forgotten about the Tariff of 1832 and the fact that the great Mr. Lincoln actually wrote a letter to Horace Greely stating, "my paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and it is not either to save or destroy slavery, If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it." In fact, Mr. Lincoln never freed a single slave. The great emancipation proclamation only freed slaves in the seceding States which at that point he had no authority over. He didn't mention the freeing of slaves in the Union? Why not, if he truly wanted to end slavery? Truth is, slavery was legal in New Jersey until the war was over and they even refused to ratify the 13th amendment in 1865. Why did it take Lincoln two years to write the emancipation proclamation if he wanted to free slaves so badly? I am not saying slavery was right in any way. I am simply stating the facts. Sometimes people like to forget the facts. Especially when it makes their hero's look as bad as everyone else. And for those of us whose great great grandfathers never owned a slave, barely had enough food to eat, and gave their life fighting for freedom from an oppressive government I would say it is about time someone spoke up for their honor. I only wish that we had the backbone our forefathers had. God bless the South. Isn't it funny how the South is such a horrible place for African Americans yet according to recent population polls out of the 50 States in the union, the eleven that seceded still have over 50% of the African American population. Over 50% in only 1/5 the USA. What does that tell you about the way us horrible Southerners treat people? I guarantee you won't find many a northerner that still greets people with a yes ma'am and no ma'am. Yes, Hockstader, regardless of our few mistakes in history we are still regarded around the world as the friendliest place to visit. Just don't stay too long, we still don't take to kindly to you carpetbaggers.

Posted by: davidstory | April 7, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Let's stop beating a dead horse and look at who the real slaves are today--we the taxpayers. We have some very real economic problems to worry about, not whether somebody flies a confederate battle flag or celebrates Black History Month. The majority of Virginians frankly don't care about such goofy media-inspired BS. After all, they are neighbors. So, let's get on with the task of solving REAL problems, and leaving the BS to nutty reporters.

Posted by: blue22crab | April 7, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

I was born and grew up in the South, and have extensively studied the causes of the Civil War.

Every major pre Civil War issue between North and South was rooted in the slavery debate. The cause of the Confederacy was just as despicable as the Bin Laden's war against the United States. There is nothing to admire and much to despise about fighting for such a cause.

Suppose the South had won. What would it be like today? The pre Mandela South Africa? If that's what southern Republicans want, they should say so. As a matter of fact, when the United States Senate Majority Leader, Trent Lott of Mississippi, was celebrating Strom Thurmond's career, he said as much: if Dixiecrat Thurmond had won the 1948 Presidential election, the U.S. would not have had all these problems with the Negroes.

Posted by: dewey_norton | April 7, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

It never ceases to amaze me how the proponents of the state's rights theory of causation for the Civil War can wall off the ownership of slaves as the essential right for the Confederate states to protect. Of course slavery was the essential cause of the war. Why else did SC secede over the lawful election of Lincoln? Certainly not because of the tariff or national bank. And please don't say "but most southerners did not own slaves". This does not obviate their opposition to ending slavery or animosity to slaves. These arguments are in the same category as the Holocaust deniers.

Posted by: Natmeister | April 7, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

April is Confederate History Month proclaims McDonnell. It is also the month Virginia proclaimed its intent to secede from the Union (April 17, 1861). A coincidence? Not to those looking for codes coming from this governor. An after the fact inclusion of "slavery" is just that, "after the fact", and again understood by those looking for codes from this governor. I think the codes are clear. McDonnell is playing to those who wrongly think the Confederacy was some sort of utopia worth remembering, where whites had rights, blacks did not, and discrimination was not only allowed by expected.

Posted by: Fate1 | April 7, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

For reference here is the Ordinance of Succession of Virginia. Note it indicates "slave holding state", something that would not have been included had it not been a core reason for the succession.
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AN ORDINANCE to repeal the ratification of the Constitution of the United State of America by the State of Virginia, and to resume all the rights and powers granted under said Constitution.

The people of Virginia in their ratification of the Constitution of the United States of America, adopted by them in convention on the twenty-fifth day of June, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty-eight, having declared that the powers granted under said Constitition were derived from the people of the United States and might be resumed whensoever the same should be perverted to their injury and oppression, and the Federal Government having perverted said powers not only to the injury of the people of Virginia, but to the oppression of the Southern slave-holding States:

Now, therefore, we, the people of Virginia, do declare and ordain, That the ordinance adopted by the people of this State in convention on the twenty-fifth day of June, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty-eight, whereby the Constitution of the United States of America was ratified, and all acts of the General Assembly of this State ratifying and adopting amendments to said Constitution, are hereby repealed and abrogated; that the union between the State of Virginia and the other States under the Constitution aforesaid is hereby dissolved, and that the State of Virginia is in the full possession and exercise of all the rights of sovereignty which belong and appertain to a free and independent State.

And they do further declare, That said Constitution of the United States of America is no longer binding on any of the citizens of this State.

This ordinance shall take effect and be an act of this day, when ratified by a majority of the voter of the people of this State cast at a poll to be taken thereon on the fourth Thursday in May next, in pursuance of a schedule hereafter to be enacted.

Adopted by the convention of Virginia April 17,1861.
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Posted by: Fate1 | April 7, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Explain the fundamental difference with Virginia celebrating "confederate history month" and Dresden, Germany celebrating "Nazi history month."

Posted by: dtompkins | April 7, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

David Story:

The Confederate apologists always pop out of the woodwork when this type of story arises. You've misled the readers with incomplete facts. Some facts that you left out:

-- Lincoln was unequivocally opposed to the expansion of slavery in the territories. The Lincoln-Douglas debates and his speech at Cooper-Union make it clear that he was unequivocally opposed to the the existence of slavery and viewed free soil and free labor as the better economic system. But he was also conscious that slaves were considered property when the Constitution was ratified, and that the government could not simply end slavery where it already existed absent a constitutional amendment.
-- The states that seceded upon Lincoln's election did so for a reason, and it wasn't tariffs. The seceding states made it absolutely clear that slavery was a primary reason; tariffs screwed the South, but the diminution of Slave Power caused secession and war.
-- Lincoln needed the border states, badly; universal emancipation was not feasible politically at the outset of the war. Many slaves liberated from the South came North and fought bravely for the Union.
--Lincoln had to convince the Union that it was fighting for its preservation and existence, and not for some moral crusade to establish racial equality. Moral abolitionists comprised no more than 15% of the North. He couldn't make the war about freeing black slaves. Not surprisingly, the North abandoned freed blacks when reconstruction officially ended in 1876 and Jim Crow ("Slavery Lite") became entrenched.
--Lincoln supported the 13th Amendment and signed off on it.
--Lincoln's last speech expressed his opinion that literate black men and black Union army veterans should be able to vote. John Wilkes Booth witnessed the speech and said, "that's the last speech he'll ever make." Lincoln remains a martyr and a hero.

Posted by: terminator_x | April 7, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Virginians celebrating Confederate history is like Germans celebrating Nazi history. It is repugnant.

Posted by: nyrunner101 | April 7, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

i think its fair to say that the "slavery was wrong" part was implied.

Posted by: dummypants | April 7, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse


I don't know what's funnier, the "implied" or the "I think".

Posted by: Attucks | April 7, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

McDummy is just channeling Sh*t Romney in the ineffable campaign to rewrite history in a way that smooth white children can be more easily fed. Amusing to read the blogs comments re "HE SEEMED SO NICE DURING THE CAMPAIGN"--the man is an android, like the rest of his ilk, and if there are slight imperfections in his programming, what do you expect. We're still working on the perfect robotic candidate. In the meantime, this is just the beginning of a new "states-right" faux reality, suitable for home-drooling Vajinyan younguns not quite old enough yet to fire an assault weapon.

I lived in Virginia for many years, and truly believe that this smarmy excuse for a human being is the best emblem for the sorry psyches of the state, a fine representative of the hypocrisy and . They want it both ways but can't have it either way due to severe tunnel vision. Boo #@$()* hoo.

Posted by: lambcannon | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Where's the Jobs Bob?????? Bob promised to be a "Jobs Governor" and so for all he and his Attorney General have done is revive the old "culture wars" that have lost the GOP Northern Virginia. We all knew his ideas on the campaign trail were not going to work--and he has done none of them. Everytime a Northern Virginian runs over a pot hole eventhough we pay much more taxes than the rest of the state a Virginia GOP delegate in Richmond laughs. Bob has up to now proven imcompetent. The only reason people support him is their hatred of democrats. If people actually looked at his body of work and were honest--they would see he has done NOTHING!

Sheila deserved this--she knew he was a culture warrior. She doesn't care about blacks--anybody that gets rich selling young impressionable blacks the "ghetto lifestyle" that encourages them to be dumb and violent so she can get rich and send her child to "horse riding camps" wasn't very black in the first place. BET is a joke!

Posted by: jcar2 | April 7, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

WHO AND THE HECK has McDonnell been listening too????

Jim DeMint, Newt Gingrich, Grover Norquist, Tom DeLay, John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, Pete Sessions, John Kyl, Tom Coburn????

McDonnell might as well resign now and let his equally stupid AG take over steering the ship onto the rocks.

Posted by: knjincvc | April 7, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

The Confederacy was an abomination against humanity, as were the ultimate goals of its corrupt and disgraced leadership. We have the often-touted inspirational leaders of the Confederacy, men whose true motives were masked in delicate prose, fallacious chivalry, and gentile sensibilities, men, who upon winning the war, intended to invade and spread slavery into the Western States, Mexico, throughout Central America and Brazil. Governor McDonnell is right; a celebration for these fine historical figures is most definitely in order, but how to do it?
If we must honor such great men and lofty ideals, perhaps the Governor can sponsor a ‘Jeff Davis Day’ where all of Virginia’s school age boys wear cotton dresses or women’s cloaks and hide in tents across the state. The women can play the part of the Union Calvary and unmask the boys as they pretend to slip away to Mexico, Central American and Brazil to renew the great cause of state’s rights on the backs of the African slaves there. This will certainly garner nationwide publicity and increase tourism as visitors flock to record the exciting historical reenactment. Why not staff historical plantations with furloughed African American state workers, i.e., volunteers to act as slaves. Governor McDonnell can advertise the event as a means to understand and study slavery, yet another tourist bonanza for the state. Clearly, logic dictates the Confederacy’s desire for state’s rights required the expansion of slavery internationally, so let’s show folks what a great idea it was in practice.
The fact is, one does not have to celebrate historical events to understand or study them and I do not honor my relatives disposed to such actions against our Constitution anymore than I would a relative who committed sabotage and murder at a current Federal facility using the same twisted logic and gentile prose as justification. The attacks against the Federal Government, which instigated the Civil War, were acts of sedition by individuals whose primary purpose was to protect and ultimately expand an economy based on slavery. No matter how you decorate it with grand discussions of State’s rights and duty to one’s home, the fact remains that it was a coordinated act of terrorism against the legitimate power of the Federal Government for the sole purpose of enslaving human beings under the self-aggrandizing and romantic guise of States rights and a misdirected loyalty to geography.
I have to ask myself if Governor McDonnell would also be willing to support a newly formed group with exactly the same philosophical aims and finely worded justifications for its violence and sedition against the Federal Government, perhaps this June at the height of the tourist season. We can call it, ‘Celebrating Sedition Month’. Governor McDonnell can wear a woman’s cloak, a cotton dress and CSA Calvary boots.

Posted by: denn942 | April 7, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse


Sheila Johnson honey, he's comin' for you.
If you thought you could ride up there
with Massa McDonnell then you need
to look no further than the gay men
and women he quickly threw
overboard, denying them equal
rights.

What did you think he was going
to do about blacks??????

Give me a break!

For such a smart women you sure
are gullible.

Or is it okay he makes amends
to you personally and all others
be damned?

Posted by: printthis | April 7, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

It was politically smart for McDonnell to back pedal on what his proclamation said. He realizes that Virginia is not as conservative and not as obsessed with the Confederate side as it used to. People should not be surprised about this because this is becoming a trend for politicians especially Republicans to play very hard to their bases. There is real angst and anger towards the federal government and their seems to be a push towards a state's rights, state's sovereignty, the federal government is evil mentality. McDonnell and the Republicans realize that in order to become a national figure he can't appear to be too divisive. The GOP is grooming him for a presidential run in 2016. McDonnell can't have this issue hanging over him because he wouldn't be able to appeal to young people, minorities, independents, and highly educated people in the suburbs. Virginia has a lot of history and people have a right to glorify the Confederacy. They fought to maintain states rights in order to perserve slavery.

Posted by: jharris3 | April 7, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Let's call them what they were, cowards traitors and terrorist. We should have shot them all. If they have black people would not have had another 100 years of terror after that war.

Posted by: Rax359 | April 7, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Sheila Johnson honey, he's comin' for you.
If you thought you could ride up there
with Massa McDonnell then you need
to look no further than the gay men
and women he quickly threw
overboard, denying them equal
rights.

What did you think he was going
to do about blacks??????

Give me a break!

For such a smart women you sure
are gullible.

Or is it okay he makes amends
to you personally and all others
be damned?

Posted by: printthis | April 7, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

A very calculated aim at his own head! Great strategy.

Posted by: brantdavis07 | April 7, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Yee haw and yowzah! Dem was dee dayz, and y'all should celebratum. De gubbner, he be relivin' de gloryus past, when we wuz de lozers!

Posted by: bender-57984 | April 7, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Don't give me an ultimatum, Hockstader, you freakin' jerk. I neither yell at football games nor ignorantly chant that the Confederacy was a racist enterprise. You don't begin to have a clue what you write about.

Posted by: chatard | April 7, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Well dang...wave the bloody shirt again...150 years of blame the South..is still alive...damn the south...damn you all forever...

Oh and since we're erasing American and Virginian and Southern history..might as well erase:
-- Lee-Jackson Highway
-- Jackson High School
-- Fort AP Hill
-- Washington and Lee University
-- Sell off Manassas, Fredrickburg, Chancellorsville, Wilderness, Petersburg, Peninsula Campaign battlefields and give the proceeds to .... oh some who can claim 6 generations after the fact that they suffered from slavery.

Oh..cleanse the text books, Smithsonian, erase the histories, uproot the cemetaries.

And prosecute all those racist reenactors!!! And make sure no one is allow to say "ya'll" and be sure to make anybody whose ancestors fought for their State 150 years ago have to wear yellow armbands.

The Socialist totalitarian wiping out of history seems to be greatly admired amongst a certain section of the politcally correct American electorate. Be careful mes amis...be careful...censorship and totalitarian annihilation of a nation's history can bite both ways.

Posted by: wjc1va | April 7, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

McDonnell is a bigoted, sexist fundamentalist freak - he made his proclamation in the dead of night, as quietly as he could, exactly so he could fly his hate under the radar.
His intention is to implement his hateful thesis, and he will continue to try to implement his awfulness as long as he is in office.
Just keep a close eye on him - he's not honest, and he'll keep on trying.

Posted by: jeffc6578 | April 7, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Anytime people are talking about history I love it. However, if your grandma is 100 she wasn't a slave. If she is 120, nope. 130, nope. How old did you say she is?

Posted by: rusty3 | April 7, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Learn about Nat Turner and John Brown all you wish, you will still be ignorant about the industry, which, like all other industries, is about quotidian matters, such as the development of the cotton gin. The danger that lurks when two Americans speak of slavery on line or in person is that one will mention the civil war, at which point discussion tends to shift to battle plans and tactics, which was the decisive victory, did Sherman really have to be so brutal, what the Rebels might or might not have done, etc., etc., etc.
Like WWII, the civil war fascinates as military history. If Governor McDonnell and all other Governors of states with battlefields together declared June, July, and August 2011 "Civil War History Summer", this nasty little episode will soon be forgotten. Summer is a great time for Civil War scholars across America to display their wares to a civil war history hungry public, for they will largely not be teaching and the students will largely be on vacation.

Posted by: Martial | April 7, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Slavery caused the Civil War.

All those who argue otherwise need to read the words of the men who voted for secession. The word "slavery" or some version thereof appears hundreds of times in their articles of secession which each state passed when they seceded.

Check it out. Texas and S. Carolina are particularly racist and horrifying.

http://sunsite.utk.edu/civil-war/reasons.html

Posted by: truly1 | April 7, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Point of pride here. Texas' Declaration is racism 101; no more repulsive set of paragraphs lies in any US document. South Carolina's is far more boring.

By the by, do click those ads. It helps the Post.

Posted by: Martial | April 7, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

History shouldn't forgive Sheila Johnson for endorsing him in the first place, she betrayed her race for tax incentives. Ye reaps what ye sow.

Posted by: andyinbethesda | April 7, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Better late than never. The governor did the right thing--and should be praised for it. It takes guts to say I f*&$ed up. I have a better opinion of him than I did earlier-- and thank the good Lord Sheila Johnson did not hesitate to call him on his sh*%. Black, White, purple or green--we can come together as Virginians around a call to "understand" and "study" Civil War history. But "Confederate" history? That's divisive--it's about one group of people and only one. And I'm speaking as someone whose great-great-great grandfather owned slaves and fought for the Confederacy.

Posted by: cvillek3ndra | April 7, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Both McDonnell and Cuccinelli (the Commonwealth's AG) are embarrassments to the state & its citizens. Neither was born & reared in Virgina (they are, as southerners used to say during the War of Northern Aggression (aka, The Civil War), Yankees. I doubt that they received as thorough education in Virginia history when in school as children educated in Virginia receive.

As for slavery being the cause of the Civil War, well, it wasn't slavery per se, but what slavery was an extension of: the economic structure of the south. The cause of the was was economics and not slavery. Slavery was a device of the economics of the south.

Thankfully, not everyone in the nation, including the southern states, agreed with that humans ought to be viewed as less than human and owned.

Many Europeans were brought to the colonies against their will. Georgia was founded as a penal colony. Scots and Irish men who were not in good standing with the British crown were sent to settle the wild and savage colonies. The British did not want to risk losing their own valued citizens so, as punishment, prisoners were sent to do the dirty work, and, most often paid for such with their lives.

Virginia had more indentured servants than slaves. Such servants were often treated worst than slaves. Slaves had value & cost money. Owners wanted to protect their investments. (Though, sadly, abuse was rampant, too.) Indentured servants were more cost-effective to land owners. If one died, no money lost & more were readily available.

So, whites (especially Scots & Irish) also have a history of ill and abusive treatment in the south, including Virginia. The Irish and Scots were used to tame areas enough (swamps and Appalachia) so that land owners could then invest in slaves.

Again, the driving force behind such abusive treatment was economics.

In Africa, Europeans were enslaved. Slavery, sadly, has been a factor in human history for thousands of years.

It is the wise state, nation, human, that/who is capable of looking honestly and courageously at its/his history, warts and all.

Sadly, the true history of this country has been lost due to too many people making the issue more about race (black/white) rather than about what really has driven people to abuse one another throughout human history: money and power.

But, McDonnell is an embarrassment to the Commonwealth of Virginia.

We do need to take an honest inventory of our history so that wrongs are not repeated and that which was correct is allowed to be celebrated.

The reasons for what existed and happened are far more complex and nuanced than what people allow today. Our view of history is too narrow, too prejudiced, and too simplistic. We do no favor to ourselves by limiting our knowledge and minds rather than being strong enough to view the full spectrum of history.

Posted by: Post-ing | April 7, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

One can only hope that Ms Johnson is now rethinking her bone-headed move to support the wolf in sheep's clothing. This Governor skillfully hid his latent tendencies. I attended graduate school as a full-fledged adult, as did this Governor and I know that my sensibilities and beliefs were well-founded by the time I hit that stage in my life. The idea that he was able to grow out of anti-gay, anti-woman, white elitism is baloney. He is what he wrote years ago. He had been more adept at fooling the voters --- but within three short months of taking office he has proven beyond a shadow of doubt that he is either incredibly stupid (I don't realy think so) or is a bigoted fool. I wish I had served with him during my Army career so I could have told him to his face what a jerk he is ... I will justhave to stick to the blogs now to tell him that. Thanks for giving my adopted home state such a huge black eye. Jobs governor indeed. Guess the major national and international corporations are just tripping over themselves to locate in Virginia now. That's OK Bob, we can always go back to an agrarian economy based on low paid (or even no piad) workers.

Posted by: army164 | April 7, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

It's time to re-start the voters' rights marches down south and see what happens.
Why should the teabaggers get all the free publicity.

Posted by: Butteoid | April 7, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Peterjohnevan writes that the Civil War was about "STATES RIGHTS."
Well that is not entirely false. But the CHIEF state right in question was the right to own slaves. This is not a "propaganda" ploy, as Peterjohnevan maintains, but an historical fact, amptly demonstrated by simply reading South Carolina's declaration of Secession -- a portion of which is quoted below. Read the entire document please, because it only makes even MORE explicit that SLAVERY was the major issue that drove South Carolina and other southern states to break from the Union.

Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union

The people of the State of South Carolina, in Convention assembled, on the 26th day of April, A.D. 1852, declared that the frequent violations of the Constitution of the United States, by the Federal Government, and its encroachments upon the reserved rights of the States, fully justified this State in then withdrawing from the Federal Union; but in deference to the opinions and wishes of the other slaveholding States, she forbore at that time to exercise this right. Since that time, these encroachments have continued to increase, and further forbearance ceases to be a virtue....

...The Constitution of the United States, in its fourth Article, provides as follows: "No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due."

This stipulation was so material to the compact, that without it that compact would not have been made....

Posted by: Jihaofeng | April 7, 2010 11:45 PM | Report abuse

First, slavery was wrong. Period.

Now, can those that think the Civil War was about slavery answer two questions: Why did it take THREE years for the Emancipation Proclamation? Why did the Emancipation Proclamation only free slaves in states that were in revolt?

The first action of the Civil War was against a customs house, not a plantation.

Posted by: leec2

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first off, you should read more history, and as fewer stupid questions

Abe Lincoln said if he could preserve the Union by freeing all of the slaves, he would do that. If abe could preserve the Union by freeing NONE of the slaves, Abe would have done that. If he could preserve the Union by freeing some of the slaves, and leaving some of the slaves in bondage, Abe would do that.

Abe Lincoln said that, numb nuts, you could look it up

now, as to your foolish question, Abe Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclomation in October of 1962. That was 18 months after the People of the State of South Carolina decided to fire cannons at Fort Sumpter

you might be stupid, or you might be dishonest, but to claim that Fort Sumpter was a customs house is just a plain LIE

you can visit Fort Sumpter, numb nuts, and learn the truth

or you can be a numb nuts dumb 4ss on the internet

you choose poorly, numb nutz

Posted by: nada85484 | April 7, 2010 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Good Lord, another republican sissy.

Please make them all go away.

Posted by: binkynh | April 8, 2010 12:01 AM | Report abuse

The people of the State of South Carolina, in Convention assembled, on the 26th day of April, A.D. 1852, ...

Posted by: Jihaofeng

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the date exposes the LIE of this proclamation

check the history books

South Carolina seceded in DECEMBER of 1860

then in April of 1861, the hay seeds and goobers decided to issue a post dated proclamation

it's like a Pee Wee Herman act

"I meant to Do that"

hard to imagine that a whole State of goobers and rubes though people would fall for thier pathetic trick

for the record, the only fools who believe this are goober junior and gooberina junior

keep the children stupid, so you can avoid admitting the immoral truth

was there ever a more pathetic bunch of goobers in American history ???

Posted by: nada85484 | April 8, 2010 12:01 AM | Report abuse

For Bob McDonnell, no one but the white, beautiful, and heathy are worthy of regard as human being. I have cerebral palsy, and I know how he would react to me. He'd turn his head or look right through me. He slashed funding for people with disabilities to live in the communities. He does not want any but the most beautiful to be seen in public.

Posted by: Invirgina | April 8, 2010 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Bob McDonnell is still a deceitful, insidious bastard for making that first proclamation.

Posted by: twilson66 | April 8, 2010 12:09 AM | Report abuse

"Has he learned a real lesson about the importance of historical truth, or simply bowed to political expediency?"

I assume that this is a rhetorical question because the answer is so obvious. But what really bothers me is the people commenting who either see nothing wrong with McDonnell's position or try to excuse it. Trying to claim that millions of slaves in abject conditions for over a century is the same as the eugenics movement which lasted less than a couple decades and affected a lot fewer people is not exactly straightforward. Neither is claiming that now Virginia can't celebrate its history. Nor is whining about having to rewrite history.

As for the question as to why McDonnell deliberately stepped in it with his proclamation, I would suspect that his first excuse, that slavery was a minor side note of the Civil War, is his real, honest opinion. I suspect that slavery isn't something he gets worked up about or cares much about. It goes along with his general attitude towards people who have gotten the short end of the stick in life. They really don't matter.

Posted by: dkmjr | April 8, 2010 12:14 AM | Report abuse

What hateful vitrol I have read in these posts, makes my stomach hurt, such vomit and ignorance.

I am A CONFEDERATE SOUTHERN AMERICAN

and I wholeheartedly resent your hateful ignorant post!

If Virginians are to celebrate their ‘shared history’ as this proclamation suggests, then the whole truth of this history must be recognized and not evaded by the slavery issue used for political purposes and playing you for the fool.

Posted by: jbass1 | April 8, 2010 12:16 AM | Report abuse

I am a southern white woman, but definitely not confederate. The south lost, honey. It is over. Deal with it, Scarlett, Mammy is free to do as she pleases, get over it.

Posted by: meowomon | April 8, 2010 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Slavery caused the Civil War.

______________________

Oh come on. We know now that there was not slavery. The LIBs always spin the truth to suit their political agenda.

A compassionate conservative opinion:

Us Compassionate conservatives did those poor NEGRO people a favor. We gave them an all expense paid trip to this great country, gave them food and water a place to live and taught them a trade. Those uppity Negros should be grateful.

Or maybe the Guvner will spin it this way next:
Slavery- what slavery. Plantation owners invented that American tradition of OUTSOURCING in order to keep prices down and to get people to do the work your typical AMERICAN would not do. They just got it wrong. THey now know it is cheaper and more expedient to send the jobs OVERSEAS instead of having to bring the workers here.

Posted by: racerdoc | April 8, 2010 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Oh come on. We know now that there was not slavery. The LIBs always spin the truth to suit their political agenda.

A compassionate conservative opinion:

Us Compassionate conservatives did those poor NEGRO people a favor. We gave them an all expense paid trip to this great country, gave them food and water a place to live and taught them a trade. Those uppity Negros should be grateful.

Or maybe the Guvner will spin it this way next:
Slavery- what slavery. Plantation owners invented that American tradition of OUTSOURCING in order to keep prices down and to get people to do the work your typical AMERICAN would not do. They just got it wrong. THey now know it is cheaper and more expedient to send the jobs OVERSEAS instead of having to bring the workers here.

Posted by: racerdoc | April 8, 2010 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Backwards Bob has a choice to make.

He's either loyal to the United States of America.

Or he's loyal to the Confederate cause - which the US Constitution defines as treason. Original intent of the Founders. In the first version. Article III Section III. Included before any Amendments, including the Second.

No amount of smiles and "aw shucks" can cover up the choice.

Very simple and very stark.

It's patriotism. Or treason.

Stand up Bob. Be a man.


Posted by: R49Thomas | April 8, 2010 12:41 AM | Report abuse

I love how it's the treasonous Southerners who claim to be true patriots and defenders of the Constitution.

Oh, and the Civil War had nothing to do with slavery, although there's nothing wrong with slavery, according to the mentally and culturally retarded Southerner.

Posted by: ottoparts | April 8, 2010 1:03 AM | Report abuse

If Sheila Johnson had done her due diligence on McDonnell last year, none of these actions would have come as a surprise.

It seems that Johnson's love of cheap labor blinded her fidelity to the notions of individual liberty and freedom. Glad to see she's at least partially recovered her bearings.

As far as McDonnell's actions go, this isn't the first time, nor will it be the last time that his true identity pokes through his carefully polished public image.

Posted by: JPRS | April 8, 2010 1:27 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps we should have a "history month" honoring every defeated nation or secessionist group: e.g., a "British Loyalist Month" for American colonists who fought against independence, "German Nazi Month," "Soviet Month," "Militarist Japan Month," "Sadaam Hussein Iraqi Military Month," and so forth. Surely each of these defeated groups had courageous soldiers, although like Confederate soldiers, each was fighting courageously for oppression and the destruction of the United States.

Posted by: papio | April 8, 2010 1:46 AM | Report abuse

I think those of us living in the north and west should celebrate "Sherman Day" to celebrate our appreciation for that great general who marched through the South and helped bring down the Confederacy and free the slaves. That, to be sure, is something worthy of celebrating.

Posted by: SeattleOrca | April 8, 2010 1:54 AM | Report abuse

Last week during a conference in South Asia, I listened to a U.S. lawyer colleague explain erroneously that US Constitutional powers—Federal powers—are only those that the states choose not to exercise. I, momentarily, felt as if I had been snatched back to pre-Civil War America. We have already fought that war; yet, despite the defeat of the concept of “These United States” by “The United States”, many disgruntled continue to hold steadfast to the belief that we are not one nation. Indeed, we are a nation of one sovereign and not a nation of 50 sovereigns. However, with the epitome of Confederate defeat now sitting in the White House, our nation’s memories are mistaken to be too short and its peoples’ knowledge misjudged too base. We are too great a nation and people to allow previous defeated battle grievances that once ripped our nation apart and amounted to treason to creep back into our current lives and those of our children. We are in truth one sovereign, one nation, the United States.

Posted by: Awareness | April 8, 2010 2:47 AM | Report abuse

The sectional differences were primarily economic in nature. The Southern economy was based on exporting raw materials to an already industrialized Europe in exchange for manufactured goods. The North was just beginning to become industrialized and wanted protection in the form of tariffs, which would have raised the prices Southerners paid for their manufactured goods.

Slavery (as a labor system in the abstract) is what most Northerners opposed because they saw it as free labor; not because they had any particular love of blacks. In fact slavery was a terribly inefficient system due to the cost of maintenance and acquisition. However, cotton, rice, and sugar were labor intensive crops and were uniquely suited to the Southern US climate. On the other hand, a very small minority of Southerners owned slaves; however, the slave owners constituted the economic and political power of the region

Lincoln himself, did not believe the president or congress had the constitutional authority to end slavery where it already existed. However, the newly acquired territories from Mexico were a different matter. Stop the spread of slavery in the territories, free states would eventually be created, and the South would lose their ability to block protective tariffs, and any attempt to end their labor system. The economic and political power in the South wanted to secede because they were afraid of losing political power.

That being said, it begs the questions: why did secession and a four year civil war take the place of elections and legislative debate over an economic difference of opinion? Why did the vast majority of poor "white trash" in the South fight and die to protect the financial interests of the small wealthy planter class? It was not about slavery, it was about black slavery!

The subtle, psychological reality of slavery, particularly race-based slavery, is that, no matter how poor a white person might have been, at least they were not a black slave! All the political leadership in the South had to do was raise the idea that the North wanted to mandate miscegenation, raise the spectre of gang rapes of white women, by those savage blacks if freed, etc.

Appealing to fear and prejudice, among the poor and unsophisticated, is what allowed a wealthy few to persuade the many to fight and die for them. The same appeal was used after reconstruction, for almost a century, to maintain the idea that no matter how poor you were, at least you were not a second class human like blacks!

Slavery was not the cause of the civil war; racism was!

Posted by: risejugger | April 8, 2010 3:45 AM | Report abuse

donnyvosburgh, it's kinda hard when your grandmother who is over 100 years old, was a slave and indentured servant...is still alive and we're reminded of her beatings! Donny, when is EVER proper to hit, beat or rape an innocent YOU STUPID JERK!
My family will never forget. SHE IS STILL ALIVE YOU ASS!!

Posted by: gr8bigguy | April 7, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

____
Um, this is utter BS - why would you even try to get your point across with such a bald-faced lie? If your sainted grandmother were still alive and was in fact both a slave AND an indentured servant in Virginia, that would make her the ripe old age of no younger than 145. C'mon, there is NO ONE on this planet that's 145!

Posted by: zosimos | April 8, 2010 3:49 AM | Report abuse

where else but in the good ole USA can you have a month of celebration for racist slave owners...

Posted by: davesharpe | April 8, 2010 4:08 AM | Report abuse

gr8bigguy wrote "donnyvosburgh, it's kinda hard when your grandmother who is over 100 years old, was a slave and indentured servant...is still alive and we're reminded of her beatings! Donny, when is EVER proper to hit, beat or rape an innocent YOU STUPID JERK!
My family will never forget. SHE IS STILL ALIVE YOU ASS!!"

that's a good one big guy. the civil war ended 150 yrs ago. grandma can't be alive. what's the point!

Posted by: youngj1 | April 8, 2010 4:12 AM | Report abuse

When he says that he wants people to "...understand the sacrifices of the Confederate leaders, soldiers and citizens during the period of the Civil War." He opens the door for criticism because it is this inclusion of everyone but those who made the South prosperous, the slaves, that is so obviously missing. His inclusion is everything but inclusive. The irony is that this so called "celebration of history" is only a small and incomplete part of history. By adding only the "white" elements of history and forgetting completely the fullness of history. It's his own poorly worded statement that convicts him.

However, even if he had included the place of slavery and the lives of the slaves at that time, he would be wrong to make this proclamation. He would have been much better to have focused on the ending of the war (April) and the victory of the United States of America as a country rather than the start of the war that killed over 600,000 people and saw the US rendered. Then, people could have visited the sites in Virginia in the context of the fullnes of Civil War history of not only Virgina.

He missed an opportunity to move forward with remembrance (not celebration) and a step toward unity and wholeness.

Posted by: KPaige1 | April 8, 2010 4:28 AM | Report abuse

How nice for us that everyone is now revisiting the Civil War and applying revisionist theory to it all, including Virginia's new governor. What should be celebrated in Virginia is its rich colonial history, its beauty and traditions of supplying more U.S. Presidents than any other state in the Union--not to mention its Constitution-founding fathers.

What should NOT be rehashed is the statement that slavery was the sole cause of the Civil War as there were many and slavery was not one of the primary ones. The economy of the South relied upon many things and most Southerners were, in fact, not slaveholders. You had a situation where the heavily-industrialized North and the predominantly-agrarian South butted heads and thousands died. Anyone who claims to have "studied" this era generally watches too much Fox news and participated in one too many "reenactments" to be knowledgeable about the history of the Commonwealth. It's the economy, stupid, and not slavery or states' rights that led to the "War of Northern Aggression." It is more useful to think of the Civil War as a harbinger and warning which no one seemed to have grasped at the time and judging by the posts here still don't get. It is a historical fact that Lincoln had no intention of freeing the slaves during his Presidency. His advisors warned against it. (I even wrote a paper on it while attending a real college called "William and Mary) You can see this in his debates where he referred to blacks with the "n" word). It took Frederick Douglass several trips to the White House to talk him out of sending all of America's blacks to Madagascar.

I have always been proud of my fellow Alexandrian, Robert E. Lee, for his military prowess and his refusal to lead Union troops as a Virginian at Lincoln's request. The Lees were a great dynasty, yes, but Virginia is much more than a state that was home to the Confederacy. Sadly, the governor did not study history at a recognized university or place of higher education. He went to a college where the "white man's burden" was emphasized and taught. Thus, no one should be surprised at his latest blunder and lame apology. He is a buffoon like the party he represents, and no amount of degrees will make him educated or sensitive to the needs or history of the people of the Commonwealth.

Posted by: rlgrennie1 | April 8, 2010 4:56 AM | Report abuse

Mr Hokstader must be a true conservative if he thinks Gov McD has been "moderate, civil, substantive and reassuring. Ditto his performance since his inauguration in January. Understated and affable, the governor took pains to align himself with what is undeniably a purple state, and one that has shown distaste for divisive politics." What has he done to deserve this statement ? Let's see he has supported filing a lawsuit vs the Fed Gov over the new Healthcare Bill (which will let both my daughters stay on my healthcare until 27)and has supported the Cooch (the AG) in announcing that Gays are no longer protected against descrimination. He further has done nothing to improve transportation in VA and expects the Assembly to do all the work in putting together a budget. He likes to crow about drill baby drill but VA will see nothing from this for many years if ever (currently Federal laws don't give any money from oil or gas off the coasts to Eastern states). And this is his one great accomplishment other than opening state restrooms so people can pee for free and not spend money across the state. Well done Bob !

Posted by: Falmouth1 | April 8, 2010 5:38 AM | Report abuse

For those of you claiming "States Rights" as the reason for seccession I think you need to actually read the Constitution of the Confederate States of America. Three states rights are explicitly taken away- the freedom of states to grant voting rights to non-citizens, the freedom of states to outlaw slavery within their borders, and the freedom of states to trade freely with each other. It is almost word for word the same as the constitution of the USA, invoking the same degree of federalism, or even more federalism in the case of slavery.

I think Article 4 , Section 3 is particularly insightful:

"In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected be Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States."

or Article 1 Section 4:
"No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed."


If the war was about about "States Rights", why were "States Rights" taken away under the confederate constitution, specifically in regards to slavery?

Posted by: pab9c | April 8, 2010 5:42 AM | Report abuse

The new wave is to make intended and well thought out statements, make a point, then later issue a statement that the actions were inappropriate. Planned intent accomplished with a planned unapologetic apology later. Point made, target audience satisfied. The "new wave, a real piece of work"

Posted by: lltroy | April 8, 2010 5:48 AM | Report abuse

Blah blah blah. he is onyl appologizing because he got caught. He issued this quietly late on a Friday - a tactic he learned from watching the conservative republicon hero beorge bush, and thought only racists tea baggers would notice and love him for it.

Posted by: John1263 | April 8, 2010 5:49 AM | Report abuse

If you are still ignornt of your own history, as conservatives and confederate sympathizers always are, that state's rights thing falls apart even further. The SOUTH impossed direct capitation over the citizens (income tax) over the objections of states and in violation of their own "constitution" thus negating state sovereignty, and they did the same with the draft. And they did bot BEFORE THOSE THINGS WERE DONE by the government of the United States, against whom confederates were comitting an act of treason.

Posted by: John1263 | April 8, 2010 5:52 AM | Report abuse

A last quick note - if you think slavery had little or nothing to do with the war, read the causes of secession published by the treasonous states when they claimed they could leave the United States. That ought to set you straight. Oh, that's right, if you are slavery appologist you probably have trouble with big words. Or readin' period.

Posted by: John1263 | April 8, 2010 5:55 AM | Report abuse

I always thought that the real confederate flag was the white one that every southerner was waving at the end of the civil war.

Posted by: wiatrol | April 8, 2010 5:57 AM | Report abuse

Get real, people.

IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING that the war resulted from slavery/property rights/States Rights.
Who but the stupid or totally ignorant would suppose that slavery has been forgottten?

Apparently, after all these years, it is still too soon to regard this history dispassionately; though no one now alive was ever a slave !

Methinks thou dost protest too much.

Posted by: elfraed | April 8, 2010 6:06 AM | Report abuse

"it's kinda hard to forget and "move on" when your grandmother who is over 100 years old, was a slave"

The emancipation proclamation was issued in 1862 and the 13th amendment was passed in 1865. Assuming your grandmother was 1 year old when that passed, your grandmother is now 146 years old. She might be the oldest living person.

Actually, Charlie Smith, who died on October 5, 1979 in Barstow, Florida at age
137 years old, was reputed to be the last American slave, having been
born in West Africa.

So, I think your story has some holes in it.

Posted by: Ombudsman1 | April 8, 2010 6:19 AM | Report abuse

I strongly urge Governor McRobertson to keep making egregious, nationally-noted mistakes such as this. Such stumbles will not only reveal his religio-conservative bent, but will heap more damage upon the weakening Republican Party image and kill his aspirations to higher office.

Posted by: kinkysr | April 8, 2010 6:27 AM | Report abuse

His college thesis was all anyone needed to judge if the man was fit for office. Any questions?

Posted by: Puller58 | April 8, 2010 6:28 AM | Report abuse

I think what was implied was that the Governor was trying to throw a sop to the racist element of his constituency and misjudged things. The fact that we have Black History Month is not grounds for having Fondly Remembering Slavery Month.

Posted by: markfromark | April 8, 2010 6:48 AM | Report abuse

Could have saved us all a lot of pain by naming April "Civil War History Month" not Confederate History Month. That would broaden its scope, discussion and be more appealing to the tourism industry. A lot of people come to VA to trace their Union ancestors who fought and died here.

Posted by: mgferrebee | April 8, 2010 6:55 AM | Report abuse

Now that this is all settled amicably, can we have one day set aside for honoring marksmen. I propose John Wilkes Booth Day.

Posted by: James10 | April 8, 2010 7:02 AM | Report abuse

The south seceded to preserve slavery. This was a treasonous act carried out for a dishonorable purpose. It was also quite stupid and arrogant. It would have been well within legal precedent to have hanged all confederate leaders.
The instant federal oversight was withdrawn, the south tried to reimpose as much of the old racial system as possible. This included de facto slavery in the form of convict labor. For over a century the south remained at the bottom of every ranking of states in matters of progress.
This proclamation is just more of the mumbo jumbo that was concocted to glorify and romanticize an act of base treason.
How ironic that confederate flag wavers put on an act of great American patriotism, while glorifying a cause designed to destroy the UNITED States!

Posted by: scvaughan | April 8, 2010 7:07 AM | Report abuse

Our media demonstrates how deeply unserious they are by putting the focus on utter non-stories like this.

Posted by: bobmoses | April 8, 2010 7:08 AM | Report abuse

LOL – McDonnell likes to have it both ways! First the Gay issue – they don’t need official protection – not necessary – wait – we’ll maybe they do need it. Slavery really wasn’t the cause the Confederacy fought for in the Civil War – why even mention it – WAIT – oooopppps I forgot – it was my mistake, my bad. I wonder what is next. We got what we deserved Virginia – late night fodder for Jon Stewart. LMAO.

Posted by: kparc | April 8, 2010 7:08 AM | Report abuse

woe is me. that darned flag issue again. i thought this country only salutes a winner. did not the south start something that they could not finish. as a southerner(black) if i was to show up at a flag festival and there are a number of them; would i be welcomed? most times when i saw the stars and bars, those carrying them are not very friendly. so where does that leave me as a southerner? what is this way of life i always here flag bearers stating? is that like being in the military where they state it is not a job; but a way of life? most times i seen a gathering on the news, the "pipples" are dressed in other outfits with pointed hoods,faces covered or not covered and spouting not so friendly or welcoming epithets. since i'm a southerner i would love to paste a sticker on my car. i wonder how receptive they would be? again i thought America loved only winners.

Posted by: yvonneprivera | April 8, 2010 7:10 AM | Report abuse

that flag has been a rallying wave for home grown terrotist. history shows that that flag was used to frighten members of the republican party in the south; carried to plant bombs, burn, lynch and blow up innocent children. how has this flag been a unifier of America?

Posted by: yvonneprivera | April 8, 2010 7:21 AM | Report abuse

The fact remains, as the goddess of the Republican Party has told us, when you put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig. When you are really a homophobe and a racist deep down within, it always sneaks out. You just can't keep hiding it, Mr. McDonnell.

Posted by: francis4 | April 8, 2010 7:28 AM | Report abuse

What I found so laughable was the excuse that leaving out slavery was for purposes of tourism -- ummm....does the Governor think that if he doesn't mention it, then it doesn't exist? There is not a person alive or yet to exist that will not equate the South and the Civil War with slavery and Jim Crow (the attempt to nullify the outcome of the civil war). It is possible that a PR consultant was involved in the contents of the proclamation? PR consultants advising the Governor on future political prospects perhaps? The audience for this proclamation was a national one, not a local one -- the guy is positioning himself for a run at higher office by throwing red meat to the base. Too bad that his own constituents had to remind him just who he is supposed to be representing.

Posted by: trichw | April 8, 2010 7:30 AM | Report abuse

"Understated and affable, the governor took pains to align himself with what is undeniably a purple state, and one that has shown distaste for divisive politics."

Ya mean he doesn't know about the idiot lawsuits his administration has initiated in favor of nullificatino of federal law by states?

Posted by: lensch | April 8, 2010 7:32 AM | Report abuse

I am a native Southerner. My ancestors fought for the Confederate cause. I think I understand how they could genuinely conclude that the cause was noble.

I find Governor McDonnell's act contemptible beyond belief. It was pure demagoguery, a naked effort to appeal to an ignorant, exclusive, and racist mentality. It showed in bold relief what a wrong turning the Republican Party has made. It showed the ugly face of modern Republicans and the extent to which that ugly face now represents mainstream Republicanism. The last thing this country needs at this point in our history is a naked appeal to overtly divisive issues, especially those with racial identity at their core.

Let there be no doubt that McDonnell knew exactly what he was doing. Lyndon Johnson said when he signed the landmark civil rights laws in the 60s that the Democrats had lost the South for a generation. History show how prescient he was, as the Republican Party proceeded to adopt every single plank in the platform of Southern conservatives--except, of course, the overt racist bigotry. That part was glossed over with code words--like observation of Confederate history month, with its emphasis on states rights and the sacrifice of noble souls on the altar of freedom from repressive government. Anybody with an ounce of brains understood the hidden agenda behind those words.

McDonnell's act was an overt appeal to those destructive sentiments. It is no accident that this attempt to revive an air-brushed version of the Civil War comes at a time of deepening polarization in America. McDonnell clearly sees that polarization as working to the benefit of the Republican Party in the South, and he is trying to exploit it for all it is worth. History will judge him harshly for what he did.

It is not comforting to think that it took opposition from one of his major black campaign contributors to deter him from his course. How much better if his white constituents and the Republican Party establishment had taken the lead. Even better, if the criticism had come from all those groups that remained on the sidelines during the civil rights battle and, allegedly, finally saw the light. Like, for example, the Christian denominations and their flocks who were always too little and too late in opposing the monstrous institution of segregation. Are they silent once more?

Posted by: tbarksdl | April 8, 2010 7:35 AM | Report abuse

Just wait. An apple doesn't fall far from the tree. This is the second public exposure of this man's true heart and thinking.

Posted by: mradams | April 8, 2010 7:36 AM | Report abuse

the best news is...
obama wil make both sides pay thru the nose...
it doesn't matter what the truth is...
in obamaworld...
after all he does not come from a history of slavery...
his history is the history of killing whites in africa...
and leaving africa to aids and starvation...

Posted by: DwightCollins | April 8, 2010 7:36 AM | Report abuse

"Just wait. An apple doesn't fall far from the tree. This is the second public exposure of this man's true heart and thinking.
Posted by: mradams | April 8, 2010 7:36 AM | Report abuse"

I have heard enough black talk radio to know blacks are racist...
is this your true heart and thinking...

Posted by: DwightCollins | April 8, 2010 7:39 AM | Report abuse

The south shall rise agin!


These idiots have been saying that for 140 years and they almost made it happen thanks to Osama bin Laden.

Posted by: aartmann112004 | April 8, 2010 7:41 AM | Report abuse

What is the matter with your thinking in the south?

This country celebrates it's accomplishments in what it does right, not what it does wrong.

We honor those that sacrifice for the good of our nation and we pray for forgiveness of those that have strayed.

It is how we are raised and taught through our religious and historical teaching.

Yet, this Republican and those that think like him wants to proclaim a month for Confederacy Day, a time in history where the south treated men and women of color as animals?

Why not Hitler Day?

Now! I ask Americans to look at the GOP and the "tea party" and tell me what you are witnessing........

We have the nations first black president and a extreme right wing that hates the thought of President Obama sitting in the White House and a GOP party that now is emulating the "tea party" needing votes from their base.

Look at John McCain or "Mr. Maverick." Now he's lying about and running from his own title just to stay in office.

John Voinovich (R-OH) told the nation what was wrong with the GOP in admitting that it's leadership was being high jacked by the south and would destroy the Republican Party for which we are now witnessing before our very eyes.

I wonder if those that claim to be GOP or "tea party" really know the true meaning of "Independence Day."

History is truly the waterloo for every Republican and we witness daily, the Republicans attempting to re-write it.

Posted by: rbraun2000 | April 8, 2010 7:42 AM | Report abuse

Celebrate History? Absolutely.
Celebrate Virginia's history? Positively!
Celebrate Virginia's contributions to the country's Independence, acknowledge the Civil War era? Definitely!

Good for knowledge and for tourism.

Celebrate the Confederacy?! Treason and slavery?! WHY!

Posted by: AMviennaVA | April 8, 2010 7:49 AM | Report abuse

jbass1 @ April 8, 2010 12:16 AM: Just what is 'A CONFEDERATE SOUTHERN AMERICAN'? Are you one of those who took up arms to break the Union in the name of slavery? In ther words, commit treason to defend an abomination?

Or perhaps you like those bigots wearing their hoods? They do not like 'darkies' nor Jews, nor Catholics, nor anyone from the Mediterranean, nor ... (the list is too long!).

Take a litle advice: I admire the Germans because they have been sufficiently honest and brave to admit and overcome their history. They glorify its worthy parts and condemn its abominations. That is, they are proud of Bethovn and Bismark, but condemn Hitler. People whose families hail from the Confederacy and the later years need to do the same with their legacy.

Posted by: AMviennaVA | April 8, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

We have never had a civil war here, yet! A civil war is within a country. The USA invaded the CSA! Did the North have any slaves? The thug U. S. Grant even owned slaves, so what was he fighting for?

Posted by: REL1 | April 8, 2010 8:04 AM | Report abuse

A succesful Black woman wags the Governor's tail....

You can cut the irony with a knife...

Posted by: willandjansdad1 | April 8, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Too late, Booby McD... Too late. You and your bigoted attorney general have wasted enough time already on your bigoted agenda. Who else are you going to offend next?
Poor mothers... check
Poor children... check
African Americans... check
Homosexuals.... check

Moderate, my derriere...

Posted by: phorse | April 8, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

"What history books has this guy been reading?"

Obviously the ones published in Texas.


"Has he learned a real lesson about the importance of historical truth, or simply bowed to political expediency?"

I'm betting on expediency. It takes more than a spanking from a donor to turn a bigot into a person who appreciates the worth of all.

Posted by: jamshark70 | April 8, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

I hate political correctness as much as the next guy but Bob stepped on it. Does anyone think a situation or action through especially republicans and conservatives? You have to think of the slightest spin that can be put on an action. This was knuckleheaded but I wawait the Post's looooooong overdue condemnation of past members in the KKK, most of whom were democrats and some still in the Senate.

Posted by: theduck6 | April 8, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Y'all just don't get it. The only ones who think the struggle for the supremacy of the states has ended are those of you living up there north of Mason-Dixon. Down here we know the past 145-years have just been a continuation of the conflict by other means.

Posted by: nashvillemykl | April 8, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Wow Lee.
I don't recall you being that critical of barack obama and his many gaffes and mis-speaks and hoof in mouth and racial statements.
And GR8BIGGUY, feeling like he has to lie about granny. Are blacks so desperate for attention that they want to sell a bill of goods that granny (a supposed former slave) is still hanging out and looking for reparation for having been enslaved, what? 150 years ago?
I, for one, don't owe any blacks anything, as my ancestors and I were too poor to own any slaves and didn't benefit from slavery and I refuse to sit around and feel guilty about it.
Secondly, while spanking a bunch of Virginians who also had nothing to do with slavery, please also villify the Africans who sold their own into slavery. And still do in the name of whatever drug they are selling that day. (This applies to white drug dealers too.)
You see what is most important and has always been most important, since time began, is money. It still is. However one can get their hands on it. The blacks have always been their own worst enemy. Even now. Killing their own and for what?
Slavery was wrong but it also has been going on since the beginning of time. And the evil whitey is the one who also put a stop to it in the 1800s.
Meanwhile, it's time to move on.
Pay attention to what obama is doing to this country ( enslaved to the tax man forever.) You've got history in the making and it's going to have as profound an effect on this country, in the future, as slavery ever did.

Posted by: tjmlrc | April 8, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

And by the way, my comment here, "Y'all just don't get it. The only ones who think the struggle for the supremacy of the states has ended are those of you living up there north of Mason-Dixon. Down here we know the past 145-years have just been a continuation of the conflict by other means," should not be taken to mean I approve or agree with that sentiment. Rather, I'd really like the rest of the country to wake up and deal with this problem once and for all. Wanting these fools to go away or become rational members of society isn't going to make that so.

Posted by: nashvillemykl | April 8, 2010 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Another vote for dispensing with "Confederate" month in favor of "Civil War" month. I am a Southerner and a Virginian, and I strongly object to any glorification of the Confederacy, especially by the government. The Confederacy was a failed state, economically dependent upon the tyranny of human slavery.

The Civil War, however, is an historical fact. It is perfectly legitimate to discuss the Confederacy in the context of studying history, of understanding why people did what they did.

Posted by: dmarney | April 8, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Comeon people.

There were no slaves. This is MSM revisionist history.

The kind Christian plantation owners gave all those uncivilized African savages expense paid trips to this great country. They gave them food, water, a roof over their heads, and even TAUGHT THEM A TRADE. You would think the black man would be GRATEFUL.


Either that or Virginians were the first to experiment with that great American tradition of OUTSOURCING, except they didn't figure that to be more expedient you needed to ship the jobs overseas versus bringing the workforce here.

Posted by: racerdoc | April 8, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

The South has had black leaders, many of them scoundrels and crooks, shoved down their throats, but it cannot celebrate its history without the Negro Interest and its stooges raising hell. SHAME ON THE VIRGINIA GOVERNOR FOR LACKING GUTS. hHE JOINS REP. STUPAK IN INFAMY.

Posted by: ravitchn | April 8, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

I'm white, but I gotta think that descendants of slaves in Virginia would feel the same way about this proclamation as Jews in Germany would feel about a proclamation to celebrate Nazi history month. When you're on the wrong side big time, and you lose, you don't get to celebrate. Get it?

Posted by: dlgreene | April 8, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

What? No mention of West Virginia?

Posted by: remmulp | April 8, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Of course, the governor had to backtrack, but it is shocking that he issued the proclamation in the first place. Remember that it was changed specifically to omit slavery from the last time it was issued. What was he thinking?

I take issue with the idea that he is a moderate. He certainly campaigned that way, but he has consistently chosen to go further right than he indicated. He did the same sort of retraction with his first executive order regarding rights of gay employees in the Commonwealth, and just this week he withdrew from a wind energy coalition that many moderate Republicans (Pawlenty, Crist, etc.) remain a part of. He is not a moderate. Do not pretend that he is living up to his campaign.

Posted by: PatientlyWaiting | April 8, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

If, by come magical moment in history it was decided that;
1. Slavery (both the selling by Africans of Africans and the buying and selling of Africans by Americans)was wrong.
2. It is understood that there is no living slave and no one living has ever been a slave and all are free to live where ever they want and free to pursue whatever vocation they choose.
3. The old argument of not being able to "get ahead" in a white world died with the last presidential election.
4. What are the blacks going to whine about now?

Posted by: tjmlrc | April 8, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

In the past I have read that school districts in southern states often use texts which decidedly downplay both the nature of slavery as it was praticed in the US south and the former institution's historical social impact.

Posted by: creekhollow | April 8, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

An argument could be made that the war was about states rights. But only because that was tied to slavery.

No state felt states rights was an issue unless it was a slaveholding state.

So States rights was used as the way to defend the institution of slavery.

Posted by: Pensfans | April 8, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

"If, by come magical moment in history it was decided that;
1. Slavery (both the selling by Africans of Africans and the buying and selling of Africans by Americans)was wrong.
2. It is understood that there is no living slave and no one living has ever been a slave and all are free to live where ever they want and free to pursue whatever vocation they choose.
3. The old argument of not being able to "get ahead" in a white world died with the last presidential election.
4. What are the blacks going to whine about now?"


Riiight. There are no glass ceilings and no minority is EVER denied their due because of race.

Dude, you need to get your head out of your ax and face reality. You have serious issues with race.

Posted by: aartmann112004 | April 8, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Okay. Let's go through this AGAIN.
BILL CLINTON DID THE SAME THING when he was Governor of Arkansas. Nobody said a word. Then, GOVERNOR, later to be SENATOR - Ernest Hollings - put the CONFEDERATE FLAG atop the STATE HOUSE. Nobody said a word. Rep. MORAN, in Virginia, said that THE JEWS were to blame for ALL OF THE WARS. Nobody said a thing. CHRIS DODD praises a KLANSMAN - Robert Byrd, at HIS Birthday Party, and nobody says a word. Robert Byrd uses the N WORD on MEET THE PRESS (many times) and nobody says a word. In FACT, he's EXCUSED.
Please S.T.F.U.

Posted by: GoomyGommy | April 8, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

The Post: "So it turns out that slavery did cause the Civil War. So says Bob McDonnell, Republican governor of Virginia -- a student of the Better Late Than Never School of Political Damage Control."

Wrong! Slavery did not cause the Civil War! Many historians will tell you that assertion is flat out false. The issue of state's rights caused the Civil War. Slavery became a primary issue during the second half of the war.

Posted by: liberalsareblind | April 8, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

McDonnell could have accomplished his goal without insulting Virginia blacks and patriotic Americans by celebrating "Civil War Month".

Instead, he had to stoke the Secessionist flames by celebrating the great rebellion against the US fought in the name of slavery.

If McDonnell has no more foresight and tact than what he has shown in his first 2 months in office, he belongs on the steps of the Capitol with a pitchfork and picket sign, not in the Governor's Mansion.

Posted by: AxelDC | April 8, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

White people need to have more courage and feel free to celebrate the Confederacy without any hand wringing over slavery. 150 years after the end of slavery, Blacks have no accomplishments. They are sunk in crime, illiteracy, and govt. handouts. So perhaps African Americans are the one who should have much cause for shame.

Posted by: tiberiusjacksonIII | April 8, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Look at how many civil war buffs are posting here. Virginia has a fabulous little museum in Manassas, near a a great ice cream shop. My feet trod those battle fields dozens of times. The place is wonderful just to walk through in Summer, as is true of most civil war battle sites. Seeing things up close and personal really makes you understand what happened much more than any book can.

The sesquicentennial of the civil war is a discussion of this vital part of our history. Interlarding this discourse with a celebration of the losers, which is what the term "Confederate History Month" does, makes no sense and discourages Americans from visiting Virginia's superbly preserved battlefields.

The Governor really can help by working with and providing the minimal funding to the colleges and universities in Virginia to produce a civil war history Summer in 2011. Many plantations are superbly preserved, so you can see how horrific daily life was for slaves. I cannot imagine NOT returning to Virginia for at least a week during such a summer.

A video about Appotomattox, Virginia:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-_Cq9s5yzU

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Posted by: Martial | April 8, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse


And the only reason the South cared about States Right's was a) to protect slavery in 1860s and b) to protect Jim Crow and segregation in the 1960s.

Funny how "States Rights'" are really just used as a cover for racism.
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Wrong! Slavery did not cause the Civil War! Many historians will tell you that assertion is flat out false. The issue of state's rights caused the Civil War. Slavery became a primary issue during the second half of the war.

Posted by: liberalsareblind

Posted by: AxelDC | April 8, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Another sign that the "moderate" governor VA elected is not quite the "moderate" he hopes to portray to VA residents. First he removed gays and lesbians on equal protection under the law, and now celebrates the Confederacy. They were duped. I wonder how many are now suffering regret with their votes and are counting the day to the next election where they can hopefully join the rest of the country in moving forward and not back.

Posted by: NotFooledTX | April 8, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

http://new-possibilities.blogspot.com/2010/04/confederate-history-month-it-is.html

Posted by: ansonasaka1 | April 8, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Okay. Let's go through this AGAIN.
BILL CLINTON DID THE SAME THING when he was Governor of Arkansas. Nobody said a word. Then, GOVERNOR, later to be SENATOR - Ernest Hollings - put the CONFEDERATE FLAG atop the STATE HOUSE. Nobody said a word. Rep. MORAN, in Virginia, said that THE JEWS were to blame for ALL OF THE WARS. Nobody said a thing. CHRIS DODD praises a KLANSMAN - Robert Byrd, at HIS Birthday Party, and nobody says a word. Robert Byrd uses the N WORD on MEET THE PRESS (many times) and nobody says a word. In FACT, he's EXCUSED.
Please S.T.F.U.

Posted by: GoomyGommy | April 8, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

"I fought for my country so we all can have a place where all of us can express and celebrate our heritage which makes up who we are both good and bad. "

Yes, but we usually try not to "celebrate" the "bad" part.

Posted by: bob16 | April 8, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

To this day there are Germans who claim that the Nazi social and political movement was only a natural expression of German culture. They underplay and sometimes even deny negative aspects.

As a whole the German people reject these views. But they have a pre Nazi past of which they can be proud for the most part, and since WWII they have developed a society and a culture which has given them a lot which supplants the Nazi era.

Posted by: creekhollow | April 8, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Virginia's Governor aka the Grand Knight of the Commonwealth:

Why are people (especially southerners) so enamored with the Confederacy? The Confederates were enemies of the USA and they mainly fought to maintain their ability to own and exploit other human beings. Which of these qualities are we to honor? Oh, they were gallant soldiers that fought with conviction...so did the Japanese in WWII. Perhaps we should have a national Nazi appreciation month. These pseudo patriots, known as Sons of the Confederacy, are probably the same people that parade around at night; only during the daytime they walk around without their sheets! This governor from Virginia is the heir apparent to the Republican Party? ...Well, on second thought, I guess it does make perfect sense!

Posted by: borojoe | April 8, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

White people need to have more courage and feel free to celebrate the Confederacy without any hand wringing over slavery. 150 years after the end of slavery, Blacks have no accomplishments. They are sunk in crime, illiteracy, and govt. handouts. So perhaps African Americans are the one who should have much cause for shame.

Posted by: tiberiusjacksonIII | April 8, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

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An African American is Chief Justice of Florida's Supreme Court:

http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/justices/quince.shtml

The CEO of Aetna is African American:

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2006/12/NBHZ.html

These examples occurred, rest assured, without affirmative action decrees from the federal government. When prejudice diminishes, people affected by it shine like diamonds. Soon affirmative action will become irrelevant. Poverty continues to plague African Americans at a higher rate than others; it is the large foe, one that can be conquered.

Posted by: Martial | April 8, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

donnyvosburgh says, "Now What? These people from this state can't celebrate their history."

Virginians are more than welcome to celebrate the fight to KEEP slaves as property, as that is what the Civil War was really about, Owning another People.

Thank-you Governor and donny for reminding the rest of the Country what Virgina really stands for, remembering slavery's roots and it's potitive influence in Virginia.

BTW, I do not drive, live, or otherwise spend one dime in Virginia, as I perceive Virginia as still the Land for racists not the land of lovers, just the lovers of slave-owners.

Posted by: patmatthews | April 8, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

PLEASE Call it Civil War Commemoration Month.

It is part of our heritage, but let us recognize it for what it was a "Rebirth of a Nation" HOPEFULLY!

Posted by: rog1 | April 8, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Coming soon (possibly) to a text book in southern schools, a chapter titled "How the South Won the Civil War" - after all, a lot of people are now rewriting history so don't think it can't happen!

Posted by: Utahreb | April 8, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

"If, by come magical moment in history it was decided that;
1. Slavery (both the selling by Africans of Africans and the buying and selling of Africans by Americans)was wrong.
2. It is understood that there is no living slave and no one living has ever been a slave and all are free to live where ever they want and free to pursue whatever vocation they choose.
3. The old argument of not being able to "get ahead" in a white world died with the last presidential election.
4. What are the blacks going to whine about now?"

Riiight. There are no glass ceilings and no minority is EVER denied their due because of race.

Dude, you need to get your head out of your ax and face reality. You have serious issues with race.

Posted by: aartmann112004 | April 8, 2010 8:50 AM |
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People get discriminated against every day for some reason or another. (and it's been that way for hundreds of years)
Too fat. Too thin. Too short. Too tall. Too ugly. Too Catholic. Too Christian. Too Muslim. Too Hispanic. Too White. Too Black. Too uppity. Too poor. Too rich. And the list goes on and on. Some people are very hurt by the way they are treated for whatever their difference is.
For instance, do you think it hurts a fat woman any less to be called a fat b**ch than it does for a black person to be called a n***er? How about a poor person (who really is trying their best) to be called white or black trash? Or a homosexual who really believes in homesexuality to be called a f*g? There are all kinds of forms of discrimination. The blacks no longer have the market cornered and they don't like it.
The blacks are now the supreme racists. They need to get over it and move on. Stop looking for pity for something you didn't experience.
Build and bridge and get over it.

Posted by: tjmlrc | April 8, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

When will WaPo apologize for displaying the 'stars and bars' on April 7? That too was very offensive. Why did you do that?

Posted by: wheeljc | April 8, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

donnyvosburgh, it's kinda hard when your grandmother who is over 100 years old, was a slave and indentured servant...is still alive and we're reminded of her beatings! Donny, when is EVER proper to hit, beat or rape an innocent YOU STUPID JERK!
My family will never forget. SHE IS STILL ALIVE YOU ASS!!

Posted by: gr8bigguy | April 7, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse
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145 years old (at least)? whats her secret?

Posted by: project_mayhem | April 8, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Way to go you typical politican...makes me even more sure of my previous statement, ...if our enemies were on our property at our door, who would you want to protect you , a waffling politican or a soldier? The civil war will always be remembered, it is history and the silly liberals will hide their heads in the sand and say it didn't happen so forget about it....sort of like some evil Nazi's that also clain the tortue and killing of jews in prison camps in WW11 never happened, what is the difference? They both happened, get your heads out of the sand and face facts and learn from them. Right or wrong, each side was Americans and to remember this famous time in history is very important...regardless of politicans and their waffling, regardless of liberal attemps of rewriting history, it will be remembered long after you, I and all wafflers are gone.

Posted by: truthful2 | April 8, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Actually, I 'pine' for the soldiers in blue, being descended from a soldier in the 20th Iowa Infantry, Elim W. Bartleson. Re-enactments of battles in Virginia are fun to watch, especially when my side kicks rebel butt.

Posted by: ablankinship | April 8, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse


Just as African Americans were slaves to Democrats before the Civil War, most are still slaves to the Democrat party of today, despite a growing number of Sheila Johnsons who have managed to unshackle themselves.

Posted by: RossOdom | April 8, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

I think that the firing on Ft Sumpter and secession had a teeny bit to do with the actual war.


Now, when is the re-enactment of the SURRENDER of the Army of Northern Virginia going to be held at Appomattox Court House?

Will the gov play the part of Lee?

Posted by: gonfrmtn | April 8, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

I think that the firing on Ft Sumpter and secession had a teeny bit to do with the actual war.


Now, when is the re-enactment of the SURRENDER of the Army of Northern Virginia going to be held at Appomattox Court House?

Will the gov play the part of Lee?

Posted by: gonfrmtn | April 8, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

I think that the firing on Ft Sumpter and secession had a teeny bit to do with the actual war.


Now, when is the re-enactment of the SURRENDER of the Army of Northern Virginia going to be held at Appomattox Court House?

Will the gov play the part of Lee?

Posted by: gonfrmtn | April 8, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Given the Governor's third rate education and his affinity for political pandering, I'm not surprised....

Posted by: danielfboone | April 8, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Sorry about the multibles!

Posted by: gonfrmtn | April 8, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Can you imagine the reaction if German Chancellor Angela Merkel had declared any month as "Nazi History month"? And try to picture her saying something to the effect that while the Holocaust was terrible that we should still honor the heroism of the brave Wermacht and SS soldiers who died in battle.

I agree with the first poster who said that a diplomatic approach would have been to declare April as "Civil War History month" and left it at that.

Posted by: dldbug | April 8, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Contrast this incident with Obama's elitist, disparaging remarks about Special Olympians with an implied "retard" comment and you will see just how the press operates.

I support Gov. McDonnell 100%.

Let's hope Hockstader, Kumar, the other one, and their NOW allies continue their unprofessional vendetta against him. It makes us Virginians stronger.
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Posted by: hz9604 | April 8, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Oivey! And still the battle goes on, right here, as to what caused the American Civil war. Those from the south cry States rights!!! Those for the northern position say slavery, with all the certainty of the religious. Neither are correct.

The war had multiple causes but what it really was about was what kind of a country we were going to be, agricultural, with a slave underpinning for labor or industrialized, with free labor. How did the U.S. progress after the war? There is your answer. Within this, there was the issue of how federal monies from customs and other sources would be used, to promote railroads, road building, schools & universities and so on and so forth. The south opposed the use of these monies for these purposes and the North wanted it done. The southern position was a drag on the overall economic development of the nation from the northern business point of view.

Slavery was not an overriding concern for most people of the Union persuasion and that's a fact but during the war the abolition of slavery was used as an economic tool to help destroy the economy of the south and win the war. You can't fight a war for long with all of your free males at the front and all your slave labor wandering off after Union troops to freedom. So those of the southern persuasion telling us to read out history, I say to you, you need to get a real education. Same on the other side. These things are covered very well in the colleges and universities that were created after the war. Remember land grant colleges? That was started by Lincoln as the war was being fought. It could not have been done if the south was still in the union at that point in time. History is complex, it has many facets, it is never just one thing. Those who say it is are ignorant and are only trying to support a political point of view, like many of the posters here. Their posts have nothing to do with history or the truth.

Posted by: robertmerry | April 8, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Replying to:
"Let’s be fair. While McDonnell was raked through the coals as a candidate last fall for his now-notorious, retrograde 20-year-old thesis, his comportment during the campaign was moderate, civil, substantive and reassuring. Ditto his performance since his inauguration in January. Understated and affable, the governor took pains to align himself with what is undeniably a purple state, and one that has shown distaste for divisive politics."

In the spirit of fairness, Mr. Hockstader, this assessment of Gov. McDonnell bears about the same relationship to reality as his original proclamation does to U.S. history.

The only way you could possibly conclude that the governor has been moderate would be to compare him with his attorney general--which is setting the bar so low it might as well be at ground level.

Moreover, I don't recall any statements from McDonnell distancing himself from the AG's hard-right agenda, let alone disavowing anything Cuccinelli has said or done in office.

I will grant that McDonnell has been careful not to throw rhetorical red meat to the right. But his failure to reach out to Democrats sends a clear message nonetheless: He sees Virginia as a RED state, period.

Posted by: DCSteve1 | April 8, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Given the Governor's third rate education and his affinity for political pandering, I'm not surprised....

Posted by: danielfboone | April 8, 2010 9:48 AM
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I know. I keep seeing shades of obama myself. Stop it Bob. We expect more of you than the community organizer.

Posted by: tjmlrc | April 8, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Now we see the danger of letting the Texas School Board rewrite American History.

When the facts don't suit them, they simply deny it and change the books.

Welcome to modern Republicanism.

Posted by: vigor | April 8, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

White people are getting weirder and weirder.

Posted by: veronihilverius | April 8, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

This just in...Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell's national political career is reported to have suffered from multiple gunshot wounds to the foot this week. According to one bystander, "the governor's career just took aim and shot itself in the foot, right there in the bar."

Posted by: jaho | April 8, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Let's all tip toe around. The sad, wrongness of slavery was implied by McDonnell. No one in Virginia is trying to draw negative attention.

Sure. Let's keep rehashing historical errors and assigning blame, asking for compensation or apologies from people who are generations removed from those times and places.
Now that's really productive.

Or, maybe we can start a "white" or Men's caucus in Congress. I mean, we have the Hispanic, the Black, Women's etc. to persuade, influence, threaten. Productive??

This is all so absurd. For God's sake, we have a black president who despite his multiracial genes, prefers to be identified as black. (Census)

History is history.
If I started counting the ways my family or friends have been badly treated by our society or government or by their door neighbors, I wouldn't have time to do anything else.

Please, let's use some common sense and stop pushing the race button.

Posted by: pjcafe | April 8, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

States Right's and southern heritage...give me a break. Those who are intellectually honest don’t' buy into the "whitewashing" of history and know the Confederacy stands for nothing more than a racist, genocidal and TREASONOUS movement.

On Tuesday the governor...noted that “all Virginians” honored the Confederacy’s sacrifice..."

Governor you don’t speak for me. I recognize and honor the slaves and while they were manipulated and their effort was misguided I honor the poor white soldier's sacrifice, some of them mere children. But I refuse to honor in any way, shape or form the Confederacy...its culture of enslavement, bondage, indentured servitude, death and destruction. Nor do I honor the generals, political leaders and wealthy planter class of the south who tried to destroy our country. Thank God they were crushed!

Posted by: summertyme40 | April 8, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

REMEMBER! This is very important! White people cannot be proud of who they are, their history or the accomplishments of their people. If they do, they are racist! That's why we are the ONLY race in this country that does not have a month, week, day or event honoring great people of our race. To recognize Europeans brought the rest of the world out of the Stone Age is hatred in it's purest form!

Posted by: SFCJSimmonsUSARet | April 8, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

"The sesquicentennial of the civil war is a discussion of this vital part of our history. Interlarding this discourse with a celebration of the losers, which is what the term "Confederate History Month" does, makes no sense and discourages Americans from visiting Virginia's superbly preserved battlefields."

This, really. It does none of us any good for this absolutely important, tragic, and horrifying part of our history to be hijacked by the most racist people in Virginia, who get pandered to by an extremist Governor who wore moderates' clothing so people in NoVa would vote for him. (I sure didn't!)

Though I will say that I'm a little troubled by "you lost, get over it." For better or for worse and however horrific the Confederacy was, history should have shown us all by now that division often takes many, many generations to disappear. Telling someone who has ancestors on the losing side of some conflict to "just get over it" doesn't work. If it did, the Palestinians would go find someplace nice and quiet in neighboring Muslim countries to settle down.

"You lost, get over it" solves nothing, and certainly doesn't make any sons or daughters of Dixie take any kind of reflective look at their ancestors' -- or their own -- place in a long history of atrocity, whether of slavery or the many "subtler" ways people sought and still seek to preserve such vile inequalities.

If those saying this had ancestors who fought on the losing side of a devastating civil war, I doubt their reactions to their history would be as simple as "Oh, whoops. That sucked. Let's move on."

Posted by: amm72 | April 8, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Why isn't it the War of Northern Aggression month?

Posted by: dane1 | April 8, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Oivey! And still the battle goes on, right here, as to what caused the American Civil war. Those from the south cry States rights!!! Those for the northern position say slavery, with all the certainty of the religious. Neither are correct.

The war had multiple causes but what it really was about was what kind of a country we were going to be, agricultural, with a slave underpinning for labor or industrialized, with free labor. How did the U.S. progress after the war? There is your answer. Within this, there was the issue of how federal monies from customs and other sources would be used, to promote railroads, road building, schools & universities and so on and so forth. The south opposed the use of these monies for these purposes and the North wanted it done. The southern position was a drag on the overall economic development of the nation from the northern business point of view.

Slavery was not an overriding concern for most people of the Union persuasion and that's a fact but during the war the abolition of slavery was used as an economic tool to help destroy the economy of the south and win the war. You can't fight a war for long with all of your free males at the front and all your slave labor wandering off after Union troops to freedom. So those of the southern persuasion telling us to read out history, I say to you, you need to get a real education. Same on the other side. These things are covered very well in the colleges and universities that were created after the war. Remember land grant colleges? That was started by Lincoln as the war was being fought. It could not have been done if the south was still in the union at that point in time. History is complex, it has many facets, it is never just one thing. Those who say it is are ignorant and are only trying to support a political point of view, like many of the posters here. Their posts have nothing to do with history or the truth.

Posted by: robertmerry | April 8, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

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The cause is settled among almost all informed observers--slavery. A visit to Harper's Ferry will convince most that John Brown's "raid" was one of history's most risible attempt at military action. But for Southern paranoia as thick as London fog, the assault on a FEDERAL facility would have been viewed in the same way as the recent flight into the Texas IRS building. Perceived inability of the Federal government to protect slave owners's property rights was the match that lit the fuse.

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do click those ads.

Posted by: Martial | April 8, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Since when do losers celebrate a loss? The Confederacy lost the Civil War. The rebellion failed. Notice I stated rebellion. Bob you and our AG need to get a grip on yourselves and realize that the citizenry of Virginia are not interested in the past, but the present and future. We're concerned about budget shortfalls, job loss, revenue creation, etc. Both of your pursuits of frivolous lawsuits and proclamations are a waste of taxpayer time and money, which could have been better spent on our children's education.

Posted by: classicskins | April 8, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Boy!! These Rednecks are amazing. They are only stroking your backs to calm you down. They had their little back room discussion “Let’s give these Negros a piece of CHICKEN and a slice of WATERMELON and they will be quiet”. That’s all it was. Please don’t fall for this BS, if he meant it than it doesn’t change anything. THE BOTTOM LINE IS HE DON”T THINK HERE OR THERE ABOUT BLACK HISTORY OR SLAVERY. BLACK FOLKS NEED TO BOYCOTT VA, DON’T BUY ANYTHING> GAS, FOOD, or ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Let them get their money from TOURISTS isn’t that what this is about. HA HA

Posted by: access11 | April 8, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Wow...

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"White people need to have more courage and feel free to celebrate the Confederacy without any hand wringing over slavery. 150 years after the end of slavery, Blacks have no accomplishments. They are sunk in crime, illiteracy, and govt. handouts. So perhaps African Americans are the one who should have much cause for shame."

Posted by: tiberiusjacksonIII

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Just WOW!!

Posted by: vigor | April 8, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Anyway, why are people today still fretting over something our ancestors did? And why should any of us feel sorry or guilty about it? It was a way of life, and, though very unfortunate, agriculturalists became dependent on slavery.
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I fret over it because, I myself, am a constant reminder of the ills of slavery. There is no such thing as a "black American", it's a sugar coated term for descendant of slave. I'm definitely no African American for I know nothing of Africa and couldn't tell you one relative that I may have there. Slavery so ruined my lineage, that I couldn't go back past 2 maybe 3 generations. I don't think anyone these days should have to apologize for slavery, but please don't try to gloss over 400 years of pain and suffering simply because it did not happen to your family or your ancestors.

Slavery was a perfect example of the depravity of humanity. The depths that people of low moral quality will go to just to make a buck.

Posted by: massmedia77 | April 8, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

dummypants wrote:

i think its fair to say that the "slavery was wrong" part was implied.

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Wow. Really?

It think it's fair to say that completely ignoring THE issue of the Civil War showed he had absolutely zero appreciation his message and glaring omission sends to African American Virginians, and all Virginians for that matter. THAT implies much more about his judgement and character, or lack thereof.

Posted by: grantmh | April 8, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

You folks calling for a boycott on Virginia:

A lot of African Americans live in Virginia, and I'll wager many of them work in the tourist industry, directly or indirectly. That scorched earth mentality of yours hurts everybody. Kind of like when Obama tells America -- twice -- not to spend its money in Las Vegas.

Posted by: RossOdom | April 8, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Celebrate confederate history month by burning the stars and bars.

Posted by: lisa9 | April 8, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Celebrate confederate history month by burning the "stars and bars."

Posted by: lisa9 | April 8, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

After following yet another tedious rehash of history and correctness,and as a member of The sons of Union veterans,,I find the author of the column to be an idiot,,complete maroon.

Posted by: gonville1 | April 8, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Yes, Hockstader, regardless of our few mistakes in history we are still regarded around the world as the friendliest place to visit. Just don't stay too long, we still don't take to kindly to you carpetbaggers.
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How can you be the friendliest place to visit, then say you don't take kindly to outsiders? Isn't that a contradiction? Are you only friendly to those who think like you do?

Posted by: mbcullen | April 8, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

What is it with these Southern Governors (i.e., McDonnell and Perry)? This new Confederacy of Dunces they are forming just perpetuates the conceptions ignorance and racism we have of all southerners.

Posted by: lddoyle2002 | April 8, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

His history was front and center when he was running but she decided she wanted to be his entree into the black and business world. WOW - talk about payback. She deserves no credit. He is racist; homophic; unequality women's rights bigot and he shows it every day.

Posted by: rlj1 | April 8, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Sure they can celebrate whatever but, don't push down our throats or try to justify the murders, tortures, hangings and the like as something to celebrate. That was not glorious. And do not even think it will happen again. Re-enact but, don't get stupid with it. Keep it in playland. Cause this is 2010 and we will not be tap dancing for ya.

Posted by: Scar1 | April 8, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

@massmedia:
I fret over it because, I myself, am a constant reminder of the ills of slavery. There is no such thing as a "black American", it's a sugar coated term for descendant of slave. I'm definitely no African American for I know nothing of Africa and couldn't tell you one relative that I may have there. Slavery so ruined my lineage, that I couldn't go back past 2 maybe 3 generations. I don't think anyone these days should have to apologize for slavery, but please don't try to gloss over 400 years of pain and suffering simply because it did not happen to your family or your ancestors.

Slavery was a perfect example of the depravity of humanity. The depths that people of low moral quality will go to just to make a buck.

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Well said, sir!

My question is, what the hell did McDonnell think was going to happen?
What was his thought process here? For the first time, I'm glad we have a term
limit for the Governor, because if he's going to pull this kind of crap for another 4 years...

Makes me embarrassed to call myself a Virginian...

Posted by: SignPost | April 8, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

The writer of this blog post needs to get a grip. McDonnell never said it wasn't an underlying cause...what history books has Lee Hockstader been reading that he doesn't understand it's a bit more complicated than that? I agree it wasn't PC and not politically savvy, but it's only divisive and controversial because some people want it to be that way.

Posted by: changer1701 | April 8, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I think we can look back with certainty that history will tell us Gov. Bob McDonnell is a racist idiot! As was Gov. George Allen, who opened this can of worms!

Posted by: GTFOOH | April 8, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

So McDonnell bowed down to political correctness.. he wasn't the first and will not be the last.. BTW slavery was not the cause the Civil war.. In fact Lincoln did not even issue the proclamation to free the slaves until OVER A YEAR AFTER THE WAR STARTED!! But just a quick question.. now that Southern Whites have to say sorry in order to honor their ancestors who fought bravely and died fighting for VA next Feburary for Black History month is anyone going to say sorry for the actions of the Black Panthers, and the deaths caused by the race riots during that time???

Posted by: sovine08 | April 8, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Damn the potatoes!!!

Some of my ancestors left Ireland for America during the potatoe famine.

Those damn potatoes did their level best to starve the Irish people out and they succeeded. Many people died.

See. We can all blame someone or something for what happened to our ancestors.

Whatever we do and wherever we go, we are all responsible for our own choices now.

Well, except for the obamathug agenda.

THE TAX MAN COMETH. AND HE'S PICKING UP STEAM AND NONE OF US WILL ESCAPE THAT BLOW FROM THE LEFT FOR MANY YEARS TO COME!!

Posted by: tjmlrc | April 8, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

REMEMBER! This is very important! White people cannot be proud of who they are, their history or the accomplishments of their people. If they do, they are racist! That's why we are the ONLY race in this country that does not have a month, week, day or event honoring great people of our race. To recognize Europeans brought the rest of the world out of the Stone Age is hatred in it's purest form!
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Last time I checked there was President's day so clearly you are mistaken.

If you've been through the public schools system specifically in Virginia you know all about American history. The contributions of minorities are always minimized. That was why there was a need for African American History month since we never learned about African-Americans in our regular history class with the exception of MLK and Rosa Parks.

You are called a racist because you assume that it was only Europeans that "brought the rest of the world out of the stone age". The fact that you cannot acknowledge the sacrifices of the other races and nationalities in building this country is disarming.

This is the bigger problem with McDonnell's proclamation. McDonnell and people like you want to gloss over that harsh part of Virginia's history. You want to forget that with the great confederate there was the mass murder, rape, torture, and discrimination of a whole race of people. Some parts of history are best left in the past. McDonnell will want to forget this proclamation in 2016.

Posted by: wmwilliams14 | April 8, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Celebrate confederate history month by burning the "stars and bars."
Posted by: lisa9
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Wow I thought Liberals were suppose to be TOLERANT??? But you see tolerance means not just getting everything your way BUT allowing other people to get their way sometimes also...

Heck I was watching MSNBC a little last night and you would have thought with their reaction McDonnell wanted to bring back slavery.

Posted by: sovine08 | April 8, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Ah, Virginia. In addition to celebrating an event 150 years ago that tore the U.S. apart via proclamations issued by REPUBLICAN governors of the Commonwealth, Bob conveniently rewrites the history of what started the war - the barbaric, inhumane and degrading institution of slavery - to meet his own political needs. Bob needs to go back to school and retake Social Studies 101, as well as learn compassion, stop cowtowing to the radical GOP, and more. Unfortunately, Bob doesn't have to stand for reelection because of Virginia's one-term limitation (but he could be recalled - remember Gray Davis?)

Bob, if you are truly intelligent, leave this kind of stuff to Sarah Palin and her rag tag bunch of lunatic fringe elements and stick with Frozen Food Month proclamations.

Posted by: bkllal6020 | April 8, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

How can Virginia "celebrate" the part of their history that elevated the protection of the right to hold slaves to WAR.

Shouldn't they mourn it?


Posted by: amelia45 | April 8, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Kind of hard to know which is worse - McDonnell's political tin ear or the fact that it took just one of his major backers to make him backtrack.

Posted by: EnemyOfTheState | April 8, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

If you've been through the public schools system specifically in Virginia you know all about American history. The contributions of minorities are always minimized.
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Ever think the reason was because compared to Whites the contributions by minorities were minimal??

You are called a racist because you assume that it was only Europeans that "brought the rest of the world out of the stone age". The fact that you cannot acknowledge the sacrifices of the other races and nationalities in building this country is disarming. Posted by: wmwilliams14
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Look this isn't PC to say but are you kidding??? In any field Europeans (whites) lead the way.. Science, engineering, transportation, communication, medicine etc. In Europe, except in a few cases Asia.. whites made all the major advancements. Lets just talk travel. The great sailing ships, to streamships to trains to cars to airplanes to spaceships.. Whites were in the forefront of all of them!!! Or how about communtication.. telegraph, telephone, radio, TV, computers.. who do you think invented them??? Please you might not like it but it was the Europeans who traveled to sub sahara Africa and the Americas NOT the other way around. And what did they find people basically living in huts and traveling by canoe. It was the stone age compared to how far Europe had come...


Posted by: sovine08 | April 8, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

The U.S. has a dependable history of declaring holidays as a means of unifying citizens, regardless of race, sex or religious or political beliefs. The Governor's initial proclamation was unprecedented in the degree to which it excluded black citizens from the celebration.

The apology is a belated recognition that such an unprecedented proclamation might carry negative political consequences. However, politics aside, the original proclamation offers a rare glimpse at the Governor's view of which citizens are fit to be included in the "heritage" of the State, as well as who he sees as his true constituency.

Posted by: firethief | April 8, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

"Has he learned a real lesson about the importance of historical truth, or simply bowed to political expediency?"

Oh, indisputably he bowed to political expediency. Anybody expecting intellectual honesty from a politician needs to have his or her head examined.

Posted by: nicekid | April 8, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Let's celebrate treason and racism!

Bob "Grand Dragon" Mc Donnell- what a guy!

Posted by: losthorizon10 | April 8, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I fret over it because, I myself, am a constant reminder of the ills of slavery. There is no such thing as a "black American", it's a sugar coated term for descendant of slave. I'm definitely no African American for I know nothing of Africa and couldn't tell you one relative that I may have there. Slavery so ruined my lineage, that I couldn't go back past 2 maybe 3 generations. I don't think anyone these days should have to apologize for slavery, but please don't try to gloss over 400 years of pain and suffering simply because it did not happen to your family or your ancestors.
Posted by: massmedia77
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With all due respect most Americans know nothing of Europe and couldn't tell you one relative that they have there. Also most white Americans couldn't go back past 2 or 3 generations either. I'm glad to see you at least agree no one today should apologize for slavery but can i say by not bringing up slavery everytime we talk about the past does not mean we are trying to "gloss over" anything. And while slavery was a terrible thing people had to live through it wasn't like coal miners and dirt farmers had it easy either (and no they didn't have a choice.. it was work there or starve). Besides remember one thing as you fret over slavery without it you wouldn't living in America today.. You would be in Africa where life is not nearly as pleasant as it is here..

Posted by: sovine08 | April 8, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

It is never appropriate to do anything but damn the Christian White Southern War of Terrorism against the United States. No negotiation.

Posted by: cougartonyusa | April 8, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Another black person hoodwinked. She should have known.

Posted by: fresno500 | April 8, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Virginians of all people should have an understanding of the devastation brought by slavery and the Civil War, especially to Virginia. For McDonnell not to understand is inexcusable.

Blessed be the Peacemakers.

Posted by: chucky-el | April 8, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

McDonnell is pandering to the white trash bigoted Republican base pure and simple. It's the same Sarah Palin tea party crowd who spat on African American congressmen and called the n-word before the health care vote. The Republican party of today is white, evangelical, protestant, mostly male, racist, southern, and rural.

McDonnell is a disgusting demagogue of the worst type who should have known better than to exploit the Confederate history controversy for political gain.

Posted by: montana123 | April 8, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

What history books? Texas-approved ones!

Posted by: HardyW | April 8, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

For all of you misguided souls who actually believe that the Union Army and Union Politicians were humming the "Battle Hymn of the Republic" 24/7 to win the freedom for the darkey, consider the New York Draft Riots of 1863. Here is a little snipet from Wiki:

"Initially intended to express anger at the draft, the protests turned ugly and degraded into "a virtual racial pogrom, with uncounted numbers of blacks murdered on the streets". The conditions in the city were such that Major General John E. Wool stated on July 16, "Martial law ought to be proclaimed, but I have not a sufficient force to enforce it." The military suppressed the mob using artillery and fixed bayonets, but not before numerous buildings were ransacked or destroyed, including many homes and an orphanage for black children."

But at least the free slaves and children murdered in the Riots were indeed "Free".

Posted by: dollarsforgoofs | April 8, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Sovine08,

You’re a fool and ignorant of history (European) and in particular Confederate history. It’s people like you that compare coal mining and dirt farming to slavery that continue to perpetuate our Original Sin and boggle the mind. You simpleton, I don’t recall many coal miners or dirt farmers forcibly removed from their village and crammed into slave ships. I don’t recall many coal miners or dirt farmers standing buck naked on the auction block sold to the highest bidder. I don’t recall coal miners or dirt farmers having their families broken up and sold, husbands from wives and children from parents. I don’t recall many coal miners or dirt farmers being systematically raped, dismembered, tortured, lynched and murdered. And to think I served our country in the armed forces for 22 years so you can spew your ignorant filth.

Posted by: summertyme40 | April 8, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Virginia's April celebration of the Confederate States of America means celebrating a government established primarily to protect the property rights of white Americans to own black African-Americans. Under that government, African-Americans had the legal status of chattels, meaning about the same rights as horses and cows.

There is nothing about the Confederacy that is worthy of celebration.

Posted by: esch | April 8, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Govenor MickD would have been better served watching a DVD of the movie Shenandoah before issuing his self serving proclamation.

Posted by: snake_taylor | April 8, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Although there is some truth to the claim that slavery was not the only cause of the Civil War, it was the single issue that made conflict between North and South inevitable. When Southerners defended "liberty and freedom and property rights" they had in mind the right to own slaves. And they were in no mood to compromise.

Posted by: picante | April 8, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Can McDonnell create jobs for all Virginians, include African Americans? That is the only question that should be asked? Everybody knows there was slavery in American and Holocuast in Europe and all the other artocrities mankind has inflicted on each other. As a black Virginian you should be asking yourself what would I rather have A white governor that can create jobs for African Americans or a black governor who can't?

Posted by: Helpsomeone | April 8, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

A society does not have to carry the guilt for history it does not defend. Confederate Virginia was racist, and that racism lives on in Confederate sympathizers today.

I moved to Virgnia five years ago. I hooked up the television and tested the cable hookup, finding an educational program. It had upbeat theme music about the glorious victories of the Confederacy in the first eight months of the war for the first three-quarters of the program, then switched to a doleful dirge, skipped ahead three years, and depicted Lee's surrender at Appomattox. No context to explain why the war happened and no context to explain how the war changed things; it was just presented as an unexpected defeat of a just cause. And that's the problem. People are taught to feel injustice about defeat without seeing the greater injustice that required the defeat.

We can see in Europe how things can go right, or wrong. Germany is a successful and prosperous society because it has accepted responsibility for its history and cast off the evil ideas that caused the war. But in northern Ireland, people still celebrate their ancestors' victory at the Battle of the Boyne, leading to a continuing conflict and sense of injustice on all sides.

People need to understand and accept the mistakes of the past as mistakes, and teach their children the truth about the past. Otherwise we could still be living with the aftermath of racism and resentment for centuries to come.

Posted by: lartfromabove | April 8, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

@ sovine8, The level of your ignorance is beyond measure and therefore doesnt merit a response.

@ peterjohnevan, you cannot sugarcoat the fact the Confederacy was formed to PRESERVE the enslavement Africans and their desecedents in the South. Southern politicans and wealthy slaveowners formed the CSA to PRESERVE SLAVERY and their ECONOMIC means. States rights is what was feed tot he poorer less educated white southern in order to get them to take up arms against the US Govt.

Southern hertiage and the Confederacy I would HOPE are two DIFFERENT THINGS. Celebrating southern culture is one thing, celebrating the confederacy I find very distasteful and not worthy of celebration. The CSA was formed to continue the enslavement of another human being, what is worthy about that?

solvine8, peterjohnevan, you guys need to get your FACTS and HISTORY straight.

Posted by: Rush63 | April 8, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Y'all just don't get it. The only ones who think the struggle for the supremacy of the states has ended are those of you living up there north of Mason-Dixon. Down here we know the past 145-years have just been a continuation of the conflict by other means.

Posted by: nashvillemykl

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Y'all are doing a bang up job of getting fat and picking up diabetes but not much else. Well Y'all are also good at sticking your snouts in the Federal trough at the expense of the productive states as well so kudos to you. You get some of our money while your health and quality of life deteriorate.

As the last racist Southerner falls over from an busted heart value or severe stroke we'll finally be able to move on.

Posted by: theobserver4 | April 8, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

The Confederacy was an act of sedition and as such the state governments that supported it de facto surrendered their sovereignty to the Union army. The Emancipation Proclamation freed slaves in areas under federal control because that was the limit of the federal government's authority. Thousands of slaves were freed with the Emancipation Proclamation, and all slaves were freed with the Thirteenth Amendment, which was duly passed in accordance with law.

The state governments of the South were oligarchies that were not elected by the people in their territories. They had no legitimacy to secede from the United States. The Civil War was about slavery; it was a legitimate and necessary war of liberation against the racist and undemocratic regime of the Confederacy.

Posted by: lartfromabove | April 8, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

This, really. It does none of us any good for this absolutely important, tragic, and horrifying part of our history to be hijacked by the most racist people in Virginia, who get pandered to by an extremist Governor who wore moderates' clothing so people in NoVa would vote for him. (I sure didn't!)

Though I will say that I'm a little troubled by "you lost, get over it." For better or for worse and however horrific the Confederacy was, history should have shown us all by now that division often takes many, many generations to disappear. Telling someone who has ancestors on the losing side of some conflict to "just get over it" doesn't work. If it did, the Palestinians would go find someplace nice and quiet in neighboring Muslim countries to settle down.

"You lost, get over it" solves nothing, and certainly doesn't make any sons or daughters of Dixie take any kind of reflective look at their ancestors' -- or their own -- place in a long history of atrocity, whether of slavery or the many "subtler" ways people sought and still seek to preserve such vile inequalities.

If those saying this had ancestors who fought on the losing side of a devastating civil war, I doubt their reactions to their history would be as simple as "Oh, whoops. That sucked. Let's move on."

Posted by: amm72 | April 8, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

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Learning one of Hirohito's soldiers who raped Nanjing was my ancestor would produce angst. Knowing my great uncle fought the Japanese produces pride. Meeting one who firebombed Japan also produces a smile, knowing what a hero he was.

I do not blame today's Japanese or Germans for what Japanese or German soldiers did in WWII. Neither would I blame any American who's ancestor was a slave holder or a Confederate soldier.

Posted by: Martial | April 8, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

REMEMBER! This is very important! White people cannot be proud of who they are, their history or the accomplishments of their people. If they do, they are racist! That's why we are the ONLY race in this country that does not have a month, week, day or event honoring great people of our race. To recognize Europeans brought the rest of the world out of the Stone Age is hatred in it's purest form!

Posted by: SFCJSimmonsUSARet | April 8, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

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Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Pakistani, Vietnamese, Iranian, Mexican, Brazilian and many other races and ethnic groups lack national holidays. Two Caucasian groups, Italians and Irish, have Columbus Day and St. Patrick's day.


Chinese antedated Greek civilization. This online history site predominantly features Caucasians: http://www.ushistory.org/ No one with reason would say it is racist.

Again, click those ads.

Posted by: Martial | April 8, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Think about all the african-american service members from Virginia who fought, died and sacrificed life and limb in Iraq and Afghanistan for the last 8 years. They return to their state to see the glorification of the racist government that sought to keep them enslaved for all eternity. All this so that the Governor can please a contingent of fake soldiers nostalgic for our racist past.

Posted by: wbruzzowashpost | April 8, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

That was no "error" or omition. It was a deliberate attempt to fire up the racist base that backfired on him.

Wouldn't it be nice if the other loud obnoxious mouthy tea beggers had to back track too?

Posted by: abigsam | April 8, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Yonkers, New York
08 April 2010

Virginia Governor McDonnell has to explain to the good people of Virginia and to the whole nation what his real motivation was for issuing that Proclamation declaring April as Confederacy Month.

It is not enough that having deliberately ommitted mention of slavery in his Proclamation--which was the main cause of the Civil War of 1861--he later felt compelled to "apologize" for the omission.

Is it possible that Governor McDonnell, perhaps subconsciously, wishes to reenact the Civil War, with Virginia taking the lead in seceding from the Union this time around, and hoping that the outcome would favor the Confederacy the next time?

Just a thoght.

Mariano Patalinjug

Posted by: MPatalinjug | April 8, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Oh my, another pundit who thinks he can comment on slavery and its legacy because he once tipped a black valet well...

Posted by: luca_20009 | April 8, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Don't kid yourself. Mr. Governor is no moderate or anything similar to it and is not a friend to anyone who is not a white anglo saxon male. He is just like the tea bagger republicans. His Attorney General is spending our money defending against health reform as well as being the key speaker for the GUN RALLY coming up soon in Richmond.

Posted by: jstewartecu | April 8, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

solvine8, peterjohnevan, you guys need to get your FACTS and HISTORY straight.
Posted by: Rush63
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Our facts and history are straight.. perhaps you should brush on on yours. One Lincoln didn't run on ending slavery, he wanted to stop the expansion of slavery to other states but if the South didn't secede slavery would have continued in the South while he was President.. FACT. Second if the war had ended within a year slaves would NOT have been freed.. the Emancipation Proclamation wasn't issued until Sept 1862 (over a year after the war started).. Fact. Third saying the Civil war was about the South's right to keep slaves is like saying the American Revolution was about America's right to keep slaves. The right to have slavery was right in the Declaration of Independence. The British even offered freedom to slaves who fought for them against independence.. thousands of Blacks joined and fought for the British because of that.. yet we see no reason to mention or apologize for that every 4th of July.. Fact. Lastly Confederate history month is suppose to honor Virginians who fought bravely many of whom died. You do not have to agree with the cause they fought for to show respect to men who gave up their lives fighting for VA. Yes the left wants it to be about slavery.. well slavery existed 4 years under the Confederacy.. it existed for about 90 years under the Union flag.. Fact.

Posted by: sovine08 | April 8, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Governor McDonnell,

I deeply regret that you are not focusing your intellect and energy on the creation of jobs and Virginia's economic recovery. I respectively encourage you to drive programs that pull us of varying economic, cultural and racial differences together. Celebrating a historic American tragedy is distracting, if not divisive.

In my judgment, you are a good person and I pray we Virginians will move forward from this national embarrassment (Confederate History Month) and make Virginia an even greater State.

Regards, Bill Payne

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I agree wholeheartedly with your post, but i did laugh because I saw your name and thought for a second that you might be the same Billy Payne that runs Augusta National, which didn't have a black member until pressured to do so in 1990 and remains a bastion of southern plantation culture.

Posted by: svonberg | April 8, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

"Virginia Governor McDonnell has to explain to the good people of Virginia and to the whole nation what his real motivation was for issuing that Proclamation declaring April as Confederacy Month."

McDonnell declaring April as Confederacy Month was a politically motivated decision to appease the white trash, bigoted, birther, Sarah Palin wing of the Republican party. The Republican party needs these reprehensible losers to show up at the polls to win elections.

Ever wonder why the south is solidly Republican? Racism is alive and well in the south especially now we have an African American President.

The Republican party is becoming the party of southern white male bigots and Wall St. economic royalists.

Posted by: montana123 | April 8, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Obama just signed a treaty the Russians can walk out on any time they want to. Russia can also modernize anything they have. Meanwhile Obama also issued an order saying the US will not use, modernize, or update any of the nukes in our "arsenal." Joblessness is up, Ahmadinejad laughs at us, and the Chinese own most of the country.

And the WAPO is worried about the Confederacy.

Gheesh, get out of the 1860s!

Posted by: NormReisig | April 8, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Please send this message to Gov. McDonnell and Ms. Johnson,

My family, friends, and I will not be visiting VA this August as we have done for the past 15+ years to attend a bowling tournament. Our hard-earned tourism dollars will be spent only in PA and NY at other tournaments. Most years we have a caravan of 15+ cars of folks traveling from NJ to these tournaments. I will continue to boycott VA until it becomes all-inclusive in its ways.

Someone said that to boycott tourism in VA hurts all people of VA, but Virginians should have thought about that before electing McDonnell.

Posted by: cbarnes2 | April 8, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I hope this guy didn't have any Presidential aspirations!

Posted by: dove369 | April 8, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I emailed the Guv'na to tell him what jerk he is. Here's the website:

http://www.governor.virginia.gov/AboutTheGovernor/contactGovernor.cfm

Posted by: kurthunt | April 8, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Man O Man! Tone it down people! Yes celebrate Confederate history but don't forget what you were fighting for. To own and deny other human beings inalienable rights. Those rights that you say are God given. The undercurrent is very transparent and a Governor of all the people should be more considerate. Everybody understands the implications they are not secret code anymore. Just insulting each time one denies the obvious. Just STOP!

Posted by: minco_007 | April 8, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I don't totally understand why Republicans seem to think that the Confederacy's willingness to wage war against the United States in order to preserve the institution of chattel slavery is something that should be lionized.

However, if you're going to 'honor' what Confederate soldiers fought for, McDonnell should at least have the honesty to acknowledge what exactly that was--the 'freedom' to own black people as property."

Posted by: JHigginss | April 8, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

One thing the Governor did was to flush out the bigots who hate southerners. Now that you forced him, through political correctness, to say that slavery was the only cause of the Civil War, which calls Lincoln a liar, can we now examine the horror of the way the north executed the war in the south. Lincoln killed more than 200,000 of his own countrymen, which, considering the technology available, was worse than Saddam (who killed thousands for secession, both Kurds and Shias).

Yeah they called them "Secessionists" or "Seccesh" during the Civil War, not slavers.

At the top of the list of bigots who hate southerners is the host of this thread.

Posted by: jim4postnatl | April 8, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

gr8bigguy,

I've always been bad at math, but unless your grandmother (who you say is still alive) was born before 1865, how could she have been a slave?

Perhaps I'm showing my ignorance, but were there still slaves in the 1900's? I'm not talking about people who were affected by slavery, I'm talking actual slaves.

Serious question!

Posted by: itsme1 | April 8, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I haven't read all the comments here so I hope I'm not repeating a suggestion anyone else has made. MASS DEMONSTRATION IN RICHMOND on the anniversary of the first day of the Civil War. Everyone brings a rebel flag and a lighter and buys all their food, water and gas out of the state of virginia. Everyone can meet at the statue of jefferson davis and see if it comes down as easy as Suddam's, then we can use the confederate flags to start a jefferson davis barbeque. Is it a date?

Posted by: jmfromdc | April 8, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

peterjohnevan wrote: "First AND foremost, the war had to do with STATE RIGHTS...state goverment versus centralized goverment."
Well, indeed not. Just a look at the Constitution of the Confederate States of America shows that states had FEWER rights under that Constitution than they had under the federal Constitution. That is because the Confederate Constitution prohibited any state from outlawing slavery within its borders, a right which all states in the Union enjoyed.
This notion that the War was about states' rights is just blowing smoke by people who are embarrassed that there ancestors went to war in order to preserve slavery. Just read John Meacham's book "Andrew Jackson." South Carolina had been talking secession since the 1830's, using the tariff issue as a way of preparing to secede should the institution of slavery be threatened. It was always about slavery.

Posted by: jrsposter | April 8, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Gov. McDonnell also flipped on anti-gay discrimination. He didn't want to protect gays and lesbians until there was a public uproar. He doesn't mention slavery in a proclamation about the Civil War?
Seems it takes a public outrage before this man will do the right thing. I wonder what minority is next? And Virginia thought they were getting a "moderate" republican. Sorry people. There are no moderate republicans left in America. They've all joined what used to be the extreme fringe. Today, that fringe is mainstream.

Posted by: goldpitt | April 8, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

The issue of "States Rights" was simply a legal strategy the southern states "hoped" could justify what they wanted ... to hold on to slavery.

They formed another sovereignty with its own constitution, presidency and armed forces and attacked the United States of America and engaged in open warfare until they gave up at Appomatox. They lost! Period!

Posted by: gordonm7 | April 8, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans have to rile up their mentally and culturally retarded Southern white conservative Evangelical racist base voters.

The ones who think Obama is a Muslim communist and want to re-fight the Civil War.

My opinion is, we never should have fought the Civil War, we would be better off as a country without the retarded South dragging us down.

Posted by: ottoparts | April 8, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

The other real loser in this beyond McDonnell? It's the Tea Party of which he received huge support. Yet again, their push for white supremacy fails.

Posted by: kravitzkravitz | April 8, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

From: The North
To: The South

RE: The Civil War

We won. You lost. Your good-ole-boys, who breathed fresh air, rode horses, and shot guns from birth lost to our pallid, city dwelling, factory workers who were but shadows of "real" men.


Hugs and kisses,
Your Conquerors

Posted by: SeaTigr | April 8, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

"Let’s be fair. While McDonnell was raked through the coals as a candidate last fall for his now-notorious, retrograde 20-year-old thesis, his comportment during the campaign was moderate, civil, substantive and reassuring. Ditto his performance since his inauguration in January."

You mean like backing the AG"s statement that gays have no rights in Virginia?
that "moderate, civil " canidate?
The one that now says "Niggas".. "I didn't mean it" Wink wink.

Posted by: newagent99 | April 8, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

NUmber of slaves in virginia in 1860 500K

number of slaves in Mass 1790-1860 Zero

Posted by: newagent99 | April 8, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

From: The North
To: The South

RE: The Civil War

Much as we would like to remember the Civil War in a non-inflammatory way, and let bygones be bygones, you appear determined to forever revel in the "glory" of your Confederate heritage.

We won. You lost. Your good-ole-boys, who breathed fresh air, rode horses, exercised, and shot guns from birth lost to our pallid, city dwelling, factory workers who were (according to you) mere shadows of "real" men.


Hugs and kisses,
Your Conquerors

Posted by: SeaTigr | April 8, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Fine, but next time the nation as a whole wants to celebrate its history (say 4th of July), let's make sure they mention stuff like Ellis Island, or the Trail of Tears, or Japanese Internment during WW2 and stuff like that.

No nation's history is pure, but all nations and sub-regions have the right to celebrate the more memorable portions of their history as long as they fulfilled the obligations to move from the darker parts of their past.

Posted by: RealTexan1 | April 8, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

..........(South) lost to our pallid, city dwelling, factory workers who were (according to you) mere shadows of "real" men.
Posted by: SeaTigr | April 8, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse
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And still are.

Posted by: RealTexan1 | April 8, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Fine, but next time the nation as a whole wants to celebrate its history (say 4th of July), let's make sure they mention stuff like Ellis Island, or the Trail of Tears, or Japanese Internment during WW2 and stuff like that.

No nation's history is pure, but all nations and sub-regions have the right to celebrate the more memorable portions of their history as long as they fulfilled the obligations to move from the darker parts of their past.

Posted by: RealTexan1 | April 8, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

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The Confederacy was one of the worst parts of our history. The greatest Texan of the all, General Sam Houston, vigorously and properly opposed our secession:

During the early part of February he set out to stump the state. At Galveston, where hotheads had threatened to kill him if he spoke, he declared to a large and hostile audience:

Some of you laugh to scorn the idea of bloodshed as the result of secession. But let me tell you what is coming.… Your fathers and husbands, your sons and brothers, will be herded at the point of the bayonet.… You may, after the sacrifice of countless millions of treasure and hundreds of thousands of lives, as a bare possibility, win Southern independence.… but I doubt it.

http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/ah/1965/1/1965_1_80.shtml

Posted by: Martial | April 8, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

And yet, the South lost. How amazing. A bunch of "real" men lost to a bunch of weaklings. What's that say about the quality of men in the South?

I do draw a bit of distinction between my statement and your suggestion that we mention the Trail of Tears on the 4th of July - the South seems determined to revel in the "glory" of their failed insurrection and rebellion. How many Americans do you know who overtly revel in the "glory" of slaughtering Native Americans?

They lost. And, yet, many of them seem determined to use their birthright as Southerners to make a distinction between themselves and 'plain' Americans. How many of them still fly the flag of a failed insurrection? How many describe themselves as a "Southern" gentleman or lady, as opposed to an "American" gentleman or lady? How many refuse to refer to the war as what it was - a civil war - and instead refer to it as "The War of Northern Aggression", as though it was the North who started the war? Last I checked it was the South who fired first, on Fort Sumter.

So, forgive me if I see a problem with people wanting to conveniently forget about slavery as they celebrate a failed resurrection - especially since many people claiming the same heritage fought tooth and nail to deny civil rights, employment rights, etc., to blacks even after their loss. Oh, and let's not forget about the thousands of blacks lynched over the last 150 years.

Posted by: SeaTigr | April 8, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

A delicious story about Sam Houston:

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/videoLibrary/clip.php?appid=595501406

Sam Houston also defended Native Americans!

Posted by: Martial | April 8, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

To the Confederates, secession wasn't about slavery, it was about jerks in Washington trying to tell them how they could and couldn't live their local lives. Don't get me wrong... the Civil War *was* about slavery, an institution we're well rid of. Just not to the Confederate heroes fighting it.

150 years later, we still bear crushing weight of an engorged federal government that started with the Civil War and was cemented by the New Deal. Like 'em or hate 'em the Rebs had a point.

Posted by: Bill64738 | April 8, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

McDonnell has been misreading the teabagomaniacs power, the show up packing bigots, the rantings of Limbaugh, Beck, Palin and Bachmann. I think he really thought the "South Shall Rise Again", had legs.

Now aware that he has gone out on to the thin ice, his hypocrisy rises to the top.

Posted by: Billy1932 | April 8, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

SeaTgr, in his wisdom, says:

"RE: The Civil War

We won. You lost."

What's this "We" business, SeaTgr? Unless your over 160 years old, you had nothing to do with the North's winning the Civil War. And today's South had nothing to do with its losing. It's 2010.

Posted by: RossOdom | April 8, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

The timing on this issue is unfortunate considering the rise in right-wing militias and that certain percentage of wacko-patriot-types.

Think of the life span of a tree. Now think about a FOXNEWS follower thinking about the 150 years since the Civil War and how he may wthink to nourish some tree with blood.

Posted by: Emmetrope | April 8, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

The families pushing for Tuesday's proclamation wanted their Confederate ancestors to be remembered...in a state filled to the rim with all kinds of Civil War monuments, re-enactments, and landmarks. So, never mind all of that; they want an entire month set aside for them, even though modern-day American soldiers are officially honored only two days a year.

Since the very moment McDonnell stepped into office, he and Cuchinelli have been going out of their way to carve their highly discriminatory style on every aspect of this state instead of dealing with actual issues. I have no doubt that Tuesday's statement was a political statement more than an effort to "educate" anyone, and I'm sure that this "apology" is nothing more than a "I'm sorry I got caught" manipulation.

Posted by: EdgewoodVA | April 8, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Howdy happy tourists

Virginia welcomes you

Set your clocks back 150 years

or hurry right straight through

Posted by: areyousaying | April 8, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

"What's this "We" business, SeaTgr? Unless your over 160 years old, you had nothing to do with the North's winning the Civil War. And today's South had nothing to do with its losing. It's 2010. "

Well maybe, RossOdom, you could improve your reading comprehension skills beyond the sixth grade and realize I wasn't literally referring to myself. I was, instead, referencing still-present attitudes amongst a number of people residing in the South who think in a manner consistent with the mindset that produced the Civil War.

Posted by: SeaTigr | April 8, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Latter-day supporters of the CSA--the failed CSA--are reminiscent of those few I encountered in Bavaria some years ago who still pine for Hitler and the 'glories' of the 3rd Reich. Nazi Germany had braver soldiers, superior equipment, better leaders, and a 'purer' cause than The Allies. The Wermacht--and those noble Johnnie Rebs--lost only because of overwhelming Yankee industrial might. One can only shudder to imagine the ramifications had either the CSA or 3rd Reich prevailed. The signature characteristic of both was slavery.

Posted by: ctenwith | April 8, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

It's truly ironic that buffoons sold the McDonnell campaign as a solution to our devastated economy (destroyed by 2 Republican presidents). Then McDonnell turns out to be a non-solution who is only nostalgic for his white hood, Taliban laws for women, and turning this culture even more backwards.

Posted by: revbookburn | April 8, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Ironic is an understatement. Democrats are HONERED by a Republican and the Democrats have a tizzy fit. Lest we forget, the Democrat slave owners, who were the South, attacked Fort Sumter and started the war that killed more Americans than any other war. The up side is the Slaves were freed when the Democrats lost the War. The Civil War may be one of the most studied parts of American history but there is little humanity of the Republican North or the Democrat South. There is no realistic romance or chivalry in that bloody war. To Honor the Democrat Southern Army is absurd, and the North was little better. It is an excellent idea to take time to look back at the carnage and loss to humanity and the monumental loss and damage of the Civil War. To honor it is a fool’s game.

Posted by: onlooker2 | April 8, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: peterjohnevan | April 7, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

But I cannot believe that there are people who still think that the Civil War was caused by slavery! I mean, come on! Read your history.
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Bull

Slavery was the reason. Every time I hear someone yell "it was over STATES RIGHTS! not SLAVERY!" I rolly my eyes and think "yes, states right to do what". The fact of the matter is that slavery was THE underlying reason for the Civil War. The question of states v. federal power is an abstract question incapable of launching a war. The issue of slavery was an actual real life issue that called people to arms. I also think the fact that the South's entire economy was more or less based on slave labour had something to do with it. They fought to preserve their economic standing based on an evil, inhuman practice.

Anyway you try to qualify it, all roads lead back to the abhorrent practice of slavery.

The only reason I think people refuse to acknowledge this frankly obvious fact is because its shameful and these people HATE feeling ashamed about anything.

The fact is, sometimes its better to feel shame than pride. Take the Germans. The vast majority are ashamed of their Nazi past, not proud, and they don't try to come up with excuses as to the true cause of the war.

Perhaps some Southerners could learn a little something from the Germans.

Posted by: cjpotter19 | April 8, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Whenever a Texan talks about the great "Confederate" heritage, ask him or her to list the five most important civil war battles in Texas (bet they won't even know about Galveston). Then, ask him or her their opinion of the 2,132 Caucasian and 47 African American Texans in the Union Army (there were 70,000 in the Confederate Army) or the many Mexican Texans who fought on the Confederate side. We also had a brigade comprising Choctaw and Chickasaw tribes, who helped keep the Union out; there were about 4,000 Native Americans on the Union side Our slaves also did good work in building battlements along the coast. Mexico really helped us out at that time of desperate need.

That brings up a little point. The Confederates were in the wrong, but the Union troops were the bad guys shortly after the war, committing genocide against the Native Americans. General Sherman slaughtered untold numbers in California. As for General Custer, well, ahem, you kind of know that a blue circle of sky with single feathers entering the periphery was his last view.

In any case, slavery was pretty much a doomed institution because it was cotton based. If you draw a line from the tip of Texas to Canada, on the right slavery can exist, while on the left it could not, being simply too dry. Cotton, the way it was farmed in those days, used up tremendous land. So it would soon not be possible to have an industrial strength slave operation, one that made half of Washington County's population slaves in 1850.

There is a book everyone should read by Hinton R. Helper called The Impending Crisis of the South: How to Meet It.

You can get it online here: http://docsouth.unc.edu/nc/helper/helper.html

You see, that's the thing. The Civil War was monstrously stupid.

Posted by: Martial | April 8, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: peterjohnevan | April 7, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

But I cannot believe that there are people who still think that the Civil War was caused by slavery! I mean, come on! Read your history.
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Bull

Slavery was the reason. Every time I hear someone yell "it was over STATES RIGHTS! not SLAVERY!" I rolly my eyes and think "yes, states right to do what". The fact of the matter is that slavery was THE underlying reason for the Civil War. The question of states v. federal power is an abstract question incapable of launching a war. The issue of slavery was an actual real life issue that called people to arms. I also think the fact that the South's entire economy was more or less based on slave labour had something to do with it. They fought to preserve their economic standing based on an evil, inhuman practice.

Anyway you try to qualify it, all roads lead back to the abhorrent practice of slavery.

The only reason I think people refuse to acknowledge this frankly obvious fact is because its shameful and these people HATE feeling ashamed about anything.

The fact is, sometimes its better to feel shame than pride. Take the Germans. The vast majority are ashamed of their Nazi past, not proud, and they don't try to come up with excuses as to the true cause of the war.

Perhaps some Southerners could learn a little something from the Germans.

Posted by: cjpotter19 | April 8, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

As far as I'm concerned, the South should feel the same way about the Confederacy as the Germans feel about the Third Reich; Shame, not pride.

A society based on widespread indentured servitude is nothing to be proud of.

Posted by: cjpotter19 | April 8, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

I think those of us living in the north and west should celebrate "Sherman Day" to celebrate our appreciation for that great general who marched through the South and helped bring down the Confederacy and free the slaves. That, to be sure, is something worthy of celebrating.

Posted by: SeattleOrca | April 8, 2010 1:54 AM | Report abuse
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Do you know what General Sherman's single biggest mistake was? Stopping at Atlanta.

If he had gone further with his burning, ravaging, and decimation of the South than perhaps Southerners would have realized two things once and for all;

1) You Lost
2) The Confederates were traitors and should be dealt with as traitors

Perhaps then we still wouldn't be having this absolutely ridiculous debate.

Posted by: cjpotter19 | April 8, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

For me, it's very simple...seceding from the United States of America is called TREASON.
The great and stupid governor of Virginny is exactly what he was seen as initially. Sexist, racist and not all that smart.

Quietly our boy has adjusted the discrimination legislation of Virginia.
Wow aren't we sneaky.

Posted by: lindarc | April 8, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

For me, it's very simple...seceding from the United States of America is called TREASON.
The great and stupid governor of Virginny is exactly what he was seen as initially. Sexist, racist and not all that smart.

Quietly our boy has adjusted the discrimination legislation of Virginia.
Wow aren't we sneaky.

Posted by: lindarc | April 8, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

As far as I'm concerned, the South should feel the same way about the Confederacy as the Germans feel about the Third Reich; Shame, not pride.

A society based on widespread indentured servitude is nothing to be proud of.

Posted by: cjpotter19 | April 8, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

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One should feel neither guilt nor pride about ancestors, since one is not responsible for their acts in the slightest. It is an unfortunate fact of being human that we do, alack and alas, feel such things. Surely you have some criminals in your ancestry, do you not? Well, if so, do you feel ashamed of that fact? Likely not.

Economic interest usually tends to supersede and even to create morality. What is bizarre is that the morality of slavery in some ways superseded the economic interests, which, as Mr. Helper showed, would have favored abolition!

Posted by: Martial | April 8, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Gen. George S. Patton felt very strongly that he embodied all 13 of his Confederate ancestors from both his family trees. He was no fascist and he was no nazi. He was a Southern American and proud of it. To some historians it is reasonable to consider that Patton pretty much embodies the ideal modern South but some ignorant post-modern Americans still don't get it. His tank corps was the most African-American friendly unit in the Allied command. Some morons insist that the Confederacy was some kind of nazi realm. If Patton embodies the Confederacy and the soldier that will stand against tyranny then the Confederates are neither nazis nor fascists. On the other hand, the socialists and communists are the evil scourge of the earth.
I don't find any death camps anywhere below the Mason-Dixon but there were several death camps above the line- Point Lookout, Camp Douglas, etc.
America- dig deeper, go farther, and study history!
Dixieforever

Posted by: dixieforever | April 9, 2010 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Gen. George S. Patton felt very strongly that he embodied all 13 of his Confederate ancestors from both his family trees. He was no fascist and he was no nazi. He was a Southern American and proud of it. To some historians it is reasonable to consider that Patton pretty much embodies the ideal modern South but some ignorant post-modern Americans still don't get it. His tank corps was the most African-American friendly unit in the Allied command. Some morons insist that the Confederacy was some kind of nazi realm. If Patton embodies the Confederacy and the soldier that will stand against tyranny then the Confederates are neither nazis nor fascists. On the other hand, the socialists and communists are the evil scourge of the earth.
I don't find any death camps anywhere below the Mason-Dixon but there were several death camps above the line- Point Lookout, Camp Douglas, etc.
America- dig deeper, go farther, and study history!
Dixieforever

Posted by: dixieforever | April 9, 2010 12:13 AM | Report abuse

More election year claptrap.

Posted by: thelaw1 | April 9, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Can we impeach this idiot? McDonnell wants to bring VA back to 200 years ago.

Posted by: madflava | April 9, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

The fact is, sometimes its better to feel shame than pride. Take the Germans. The vast majority are ashamed of their Nazi past, not proud, and they don't try to come up with excuses as to the true cause of the war. Perhaps some Southerners could learn a little something from the Germans.
Posted by: cjpotter19
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Here's the difference.. Nazi's started the holocaust.. the Confederacy did NOT start slavery!!! Slavery was around.. in the North and South for about as long as the first Europeans came here.. Besides Confederate History Month was not created to honor slavery.. everyone is ashamed of it.. but does that mean we can't honor Americans to fought bravely and died fighting for Virginia? Let me ask you do you honor George Washington?? He was a slave owner but does that mean instead of honoring him we should only be ashamed of him... in that case what do u want to change the name of our capital city to???

Posted by: sovine08 | April 9, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

NUmber of slaves in virginia in 1860 500K
Posted by: newagent99
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And the war started in 1861.. sounds to me there was a lot of slavery going on for a LONG time BEFORE the war... So if the war was about slavery how come it took so long for the Union to get it started. If fact sounds to me slaves should thank the Confederacy.. without the South forming it slavery would have existed for a lot longer... no???

Posted by: sovine08 | April 9, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Gen. George S. Patton felt very strongly that he embodied all 13 of his Confederate ancestors from both his family trees. He was no fascist and he was no nazi. He was a Southern American and proud of it. To some historians it is reasonable to consider that Patton pretty much embodies the ideal modern South but some ignorant post-modern Americans still don't get it. His tank corps was the most African-American friendly unit in the Allied command. Some morons insist that the Confederacy was some kind of nazi realm. If Patton embodies the Confederacy and the soldier that will stand against tyranny then the Confederates are neither nazis nor fascists. On the other hand, the socialists and communists are the evil scourge of the earth.
I don't find any death camps anywhere below the Mason-Dixon but there were several death camps above the line- Point Lookout, Camp Douglas, etc.
America- dig deeper, go farther, and study history!
Dixieforever
Posted by: dixieforever | April 9, 2010 12:12 AM | Report abuse

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Patton also thought himself the reincarnation of Hannibal; no real Christian supports the Roman Empire, given their cruelty and also their execution of a certain individual. An odd belief does not a supporter of a particular society make.

Posted by: Martial | April 9, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

NUmber of slaves in virginia in 1860 500K
Posted by: newagent99
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And the war started in 1861.. sounds to me there was a lot of slavery going on for a LONG time BEFORE the war... So if the war was about slavery how come it took so long for the Union to get it started. If fact sounds to me slaves should thank the Confederacy.. without the South forming it slavery would have existed for a lot longer... no???
Posted by: sovine08 | April 9, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

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The South started the war by seceding from the Union and firing the first shot at Fort Sumter. Had these things not occurred, slavery would almost certainly have died out within a few decades.

Posted by: Martial | April 9, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

to all, but particuliarly to the SELF-important northern DIMocRATS that read this,

i'll listen to your arrogant, PREJUDICED blather about the south & southerners RIGHT AFTER the DIMocRATS rise up, with one voice and throw OUT one of your "STARS" & "most appreciated, long-serving Senators" the FILTHY KLANSMAN, Robert "KKK" Byrd, DIMocRAT of WV.

until you do that task, i will remind all you " oh, so wunnerful, wunnerful" LOUD-mouthed, sanctamonious, DISHONEST, two-faced DIMocRATS of your TOLERENCE of a KLANSMAN in YOUR party.
(TOLERATING a KLANSMAN within your party is equally as EVIL as BEING one!)

DIMocRATS thy name is HYPOCRITE!

yours, TN46

Posted by: texasnative46 | April 11, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

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