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Hey, Birthers, Obama is an American. Got that?

It's always nice to go away. You get to take stock of what you've been doing and make promises to yourself that this time -- for real -- you're going to eat right, exercise, cut back on the martinis (ahem) and focus on the important stuff. And then you come home to a story so delicious that you can't resist putting off the important stuff for a little while longer.

I'm talking about the utterly ridiculous law that would allow Hawaiian state officials to ignore repeated requests for President Obama's birth certificate. That the Aloha State felt compelled to do this shows how it has been inundated with requests from folks out there who lack the ability to focus on what really matters. Come on, people! Obama was born in the United States. His mother was American, to boot. Get over it.

OBAMA CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH.jpg

The Los Angeles Times blog, Top of the Ticket, does a great service by highlighting this news. It reprints in glorious color Obama's Certificate of Live Birth. The post also notes that twice since 2008, the state's health director has publicly vouched for the existence and the authenticity of the actual birth certificate. The bill now goes to Gov. Linda Lingle (R). I urge her to sign it. In the grand scheme of things, it's not as important as, say, job creation. But it would allow Hawaii, the birthplace of the president of the United States, to officially tell the birthers,who have long proven immune to truth, facts or reason, to back off.

By Jonathan Capehart  | April 28, 2010; 10:13 AM ET
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I had not heard about the bill in Hawaii. Can you imagine the apoplexy this will cause the birthers. Oh the joy:)

Posted by: rlj1 | April 28, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

It is time to just ignore the birthers, Jonathan. Some are delusional and are never going to change their minds no matter what proof they are shown, some hate Obama so much that they will refuse to even look at evidence that clearly shows the president was born in Hawaii and the rest don't care if Obama was born in the United States, but are cynically playing on the delusions of others as a way undermine him. This group doesn't deserve attention anymore.

Posted by: Sandydayl | April 28, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Unfortunately the birther nonsense won't stop there, in Arizona, famous for the new immigration bill, the State legislative Republicans just passed a birther bill "SB 1024" that would require all presidential candidates to prove they are a natural born citizen to the Sec of State of AZ in order to be placed on the state ballot. The bill will go to the full Senate for approval.

Posted by: mkoch1 | April 28, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Capehart, Obama is an empty suit and a one term President, whether he's an American or not. Got that?

Posted by: DQuixote1 | April 28, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Next they'll try to say Hawaii didn't dot all its "i"s in the state charter, so therefore, all its birth certificates are invalid.

Posted by: Please_Fix_VAs_Roads | April 28, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

The birth certificate is pointless- how long would it take to make a forgery? What I question is the concealment of all school records (from kindergarten through college)and that know one seems to remember him. Why is Obama paying law firms around 2 million to keep all of his records sealed? Did he get an "F" in American History...it's only the secrecy that I question. Too many coverups! Barry, it's time to be honest.

Posted by: ms01 | April 28, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Inflation rears its ugly head.

Previously it was claimed that Obama spent $1 million to hide his records, now the claim is $2 million.

Wow.

Are there any facts behind these claims?

Posted by: Amminadab | April 28, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

This "Certificate of Live Birth" is NOT an official document from the State of Hawaii because it DOES NOT have an official seal from the State of Hawaii.

Posted by: DoctorGW | April 28, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Capehart, with all due respect, do you always accept a 3rd party's statement of the facts without scrutiny? Did you even bother to research what the online Certification of Live Birth really is?

Although the state of Hawaii, the media, and President Obama call it an "Official" Birth Certificate, it is nothing more than a state-issued document that summarizes his 1961 vital record(s) on file with the Hawaii Department of Health. What the public and the media do not know, however, is just what 1961 Hawaii vital record the Certification of Live Birth is summarizing. Is it the long form birth certificate that has a doctor's signature and supporting hospital documentation, or is it one of the other 1961 birth certificates that were generated using vital record procedures in place at the time that were arguably fraught with the potential for fraud? That being said, until President Obama releases his original 1961 birth certificate, the birthers and others will continue to question his birthplace.

On a closing note, if you are indeed interested in doing more in-depth research on the issues, you can see the actual scans of Hawaii's vital record procedures in place at the time of President Obama's birth at birther.com.

Posted by: forseti | April 28, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Not to make too fine a point of this, but you called it a certificate of live birth, it is a certification of live birth. (look at the top of the document). If you wanted to write an interesting story you should look into whether or not you can get a certification of live birth in Hawaii and be born somewhere else. It is pointless really. The economics of the time would tend to indicate that he was born in Hawaii. Of course the fact that his father is not a US citizen leaves open the question of whether or not he is a "Natural Born Citizen" as required by the Constitution, but the time to challenge that has long since passed. Like him or not, once Obama took the oath after a billion dollar compaign and an entire nation cast votes, he is the President, and only Congress can remove a sitting President. The last time I checked, Congress liked this guy just fine. So, if you don't like his policy, vote him out next time and everybody ask a few questions before you put someone into office. It might be a good idea not to make fun of Arizona, why not pass a law to make sure somebody is a "natural born citizen" to be on the ballot? It is in the Constitution after all. It looks like nobody checks now and see what happens when they don't.

Posted by: joehorn123 | April 28, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Birthers are such entertaining bufoons.

Posted by: Alferd | April 28, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

"This "Certificate of Live Birth" is NOT an official document from the State of Hawaii because it DOES NOT have an official seal from the State of Hawaii."

Is this something you learned at your mommie's knee? She was wrong. You are wrong. It has been vouched for as an official state document by official state officers. Who are you? Are you an official state officer?

Posted by: fzdybel | April 28, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Jonathan, let it go. Some people just want to be miserable. Happy thoughts are created when we watch Republicans shoot themselves in the foot on Financial Reform. BTW, was not Immigration Reform supposed to be addressed on their watch during the Clinton and Bush years? Things that make you go hmmmmmm.

Posted by: classicskins | April 28, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I wish someone would contact Judy Burges, the sponsor of the Arizona “birther bill.”

I really would like someone to put this question to her: Suppose the “birther” bill becomes law. In 2012, all the president would have to do would be to give the state of Arizona the exact same birth certificate form that he has had posted on-line since 2008. Under the “full Faith and Credit” clause of the U.S. Constitution, the state of Arizona would HAVE to accept it as proof of his eligibility. Then what, Judy?

Posted by: Alferd | April 28, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Capehart, on what do you base your decision that he is American born? On a modern electronic summary of birth--that's NOT the legal long-form birth certificate stating which doctor delivered him.

The simple fact is that NO ONE has seen the legal, long-form birth certificate because this administration continues to keep it under lock and key.

The obvious question is: What's he hiding?

Posted by: edmondsonpr1 | April 28, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

It is possible DQuixote1 is right, and Obama may be a one term president if a quality Denmocrat decides to challenge him for the nomination. HE won't be replaced by a Republican for sure, since there are no where near a majority of Americans stupid enough to vote for another Republican after the last guy in eight years did more damaqe to almost every aspect of American society than Obama could do in a hundred years. But, it's possible a more progressive Dem could beat him out for the nomination and then, of course, easily beat whatever incompetent the Depublicans nominate.

For real, I know the Constitution requires it, but personally I don't care if Obama was born on Mars or is a citizen of Atlantis. He's much better for this country than anyone the Republicans are capable of running out there. I felt the same way about Bill Clinton's infidelities. I don't believe 'Good Husband' is one of the prerequisites for the job. Now, I understand that being a natural born citizen, as Obama is, is a prerequisite for the job. Beyond that, the guy's a good president, better than any Depublican alternative, and obviously to any intelligent being, he has the best interest of the country at heart, again unlike the Depublicans.

That's in fact why I call them the Depublicans... they seem to be against "the public".

Posted by: jalabar1 | April 28, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I refuse to read any more "birther" comments, unless they post their long-form birth certificate first. Seriously, I agree with those who are advocating ignoring these people, as no matter what proof you put in front of them, they will find a way to dismiss it as fake or ask for yet another piece of "proof" they desire. These are people who simply can't stand the idea that Barack Obama is president of the U.S., and it's more politically correct to harp on a phony "birth certificate" controversy than to address the "elephant in the room" that is the real object of their rancor.

Posted by: bienefes | April 28, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Birthers are not far removed from folks who think the moon landing was faked from a Hollywood backlot.

Check out 60 Minutes last Sunday. The segment featuring the former Al Queda member who lectures to Muslim men dispeling myths about the U.S 9/11 etc. Many sit there and spouting nonesense like "inside job", Israel etc. They remind me of the Birthers. Even though you present a set of incontravertable facts in front of them, they will not believe it.

Posted by: MerrillFrank | April 28, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Illegal alien becomes president of the united states.....yeah right

Posted by: snake_taylor | April 28, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Did any of these birther fruitcakes ever ask to see George W. Bush's birth certificate? Or his daddy's? Have they asked Sarah Palin for her birth certificate?? Did they come out of the woodwork clamoring for Ronald Reagan's proof of American-ness? No?? I wonder why not. Could it be because they just assume that a white person with an American accent is 100% all American and it's all right.
For the final time: This is not about whether Obama was born in the United States. This is about the fact that he is black. And this is the ONLY thing they can latch onto to try to discredit him.

Posted by: Victoria27 | April 28, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I wish someone would contact Judy Burges, the sponsor of the Arizona “birther bill.”

I really would like someone to put this question to her: Suppose the “birther” bill becomes law. In 2012, all the president would have to do would be to give the state of Arizona the exact same birth certificate form that he has had posted on-line since 2008. Under the “full Faith and Credit” clause of the U.S. Constitution, the state of Arizona would HAVE to accept it as proof of his eligibility. Then what, Judy?

Posted by: Alferd | April 28, 2010 2:19 PM
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I don't care one way or the other but you are wrong. A certificate of live birth is NOT a valid id and could not be used to obtain a driver's license. Fact.

My concern is not this but all of Obama's blocked records from childhood, international travel and college.

This all from the "tranparency" man who is blocking 50% more Freedom of Information Act requests than Bush.

Why would he need to do this?

Posted by: Cryos | April 28, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

DQuixote1, Is that you, Orly?

Still tilting at windmills, I see.

Posted by: Alferd | April 28, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

If the Pope, George W. Bush, and Jesus Christ himself, traveled with a birther back through time to the date of Obama's birth, were taken up into space and down to Hawaii to confirm they were on the planet Earth, shown a copy of the day's paper to confirm the date plus take astronomical readings to double check, and they were allowed into the delivery room to witness Obama emerging from his mother's birth canal, and then had each of the 3 attest that this was in fact Barack Obama, and received a signed copy of the Birth certificate signed by Bush, the Pope and Jesus, and by the doctor, and were allowed to video tape the event AND collect a DNA sample to compare with Obama today, it will still not be enough evidence to convince them.

Posted by: Gover | April 28, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I can see that the Liberals posting comments on O's BC, only read WaPo, a truly liberal paper.

Most liberals have their head in the sand because they don't want to appear stupid about voting for this president.

If the BC were real, why did they have to block out the BC number? Why do they always show the short version of the BC? Why did Obama have EVERYTHING about his early life, schools, universities he attended SCRUBBED FROM THE INTERNET? Why has he spent close to $2 Million dollars to keep his birth certificate hidden?

Last, here's an intersting article that everyone should read:

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/22221

We've been had and it's almost too late to save our country from this Marxist Obama. Our country is bankrupt except for the money printing by Bernanke. No jobs and no one in Washington on the American People's side.

WAKE UP AND SMELL THE FRAUD AND COVER-UP BY THE LAME STREAM MEDIA!

Posted by: aaniko | April 28, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Gover | April 28, 2010 3:56 PM
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Are people like you really that dumb? All they birthers want is a verification of a VALID birth certificate. It shouldn't be that difficult.

Posted by: Cryos | April 28, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

". . . in Arizona . . , the State legislative Republicans just passed a birther bill "SB 1024" that would require all presidential candidates to prove they are a natural born citizen to the Sec of State of AZ in order to be placed on the state ballot. The bill will go to the full Senate for approval."

Suppose no candidate were willing to submit their birth certificate (or whatever)?

Posted by: LMarie1 | April 28, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Superstitions, fear, hate and prejudice works wonders on the uneducated Joe Six Pack crew. And enlist a few Gong Show host rejects as mouthpieces on Fox News. Brainwash, like a good cult does. It would be interesting to see how many committed (or should be) far right wing nuts will show up. They would like it to a law that black people cannot be us citizens so they don’t have this problem again.

They would like it to a law that black people cannot be us citizens so they don’t have this problem again.

P.S. I tried posting this on FOX news. It doesn't. FOX news regulates too may non-Republican taking point from being posted.

Posted by: ronoz | April 28, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

All they birthers want is a verification of a VALID birth certificate. It shouldn't be that difficult.
******************************************************************************************

Let me tell you a story about my trailer-trash conservative Aunt.

She was convinced that the February birthstone was "Armistice." No one could convince her otherwise. You could try to tell her it was "Amethyst" but she would argue literally forever.

You could try to show her a geology textbook or an encyclopedia and she'd call it "Communist nonsense" and still not believe you.

You see, she was also self-conscious about being poor, and uneducated, she grew to despise anyone with any more knowledge of any subject than she had. And the way she "got back" at you for being "privileged", was to flaunt her own ignorance in your face to the extent she'd willfully choose fiction over facts.

She would have made a pretty great birther.

Posted by: Gover | April 28, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Okay, Jonathan... you have taken procrastination to a new low...enough with the birther bull. Use your time wisely, little grasshoper. Write about something real and leave this non-sense alone... is this the length you go to avoid the treadmill?

Posted by: daa1958 | April 28, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

How does, and by what document does the author of that so-called "think piece" write with absolute certainty that Obama was a natural born American? Did the author witness an authorized birth cettificate? Such a document has not been made public, by the way. According to opinion maker Milbank's piece in the Post yesterday, 04/27/2010, Barack spelled in Arabic is "Barakah" meaning, in Arabic, "blessing". Well, listen up people: Our American heritage, our sense of being and culture, however benevolent and humane, has been based on our Anglo-European sense of being, cultural and heritage right smack from the get-go. Please also remember historically our Constitution as it is was the result of convoluted compromise and pressuring just to get some States to sign it. Our culture was also based, right from the start, on the sense of Christian (Catholic/Protestant) belief systems, however secular or not, and the sense of 'separation of church and state' was rightly written only and just to prevent either church or state from assuming authoritarian control in governance as had occurred in Europe and elsewhere as had happened. The situation today in Arizone is also eequivalent to the birth certificate issue. The Green Card system which is supposed to be effective, is not. Illegal immigration is precisely that-illegal and from first hand experience and knowledge here and abroad as a federal employee, then professional level employee with contract company providing support to the USG, our immigration control system has failed to function properly for decades. My acquaintenances, friends, and compatriots with organizations such as the DAR, SAR, the Sojouners and other patriotic and historic American traditions and values organizations will agree. What is happening to this country in a sociocultural sense, our political sense, is just awful and is leading us down the path to total failure.

Posted by: IowaLad | April 28, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Grover wrote: If the Pope, George W. Bush, and Jesus Christ himself, traveled with a birther back through time to the date of Obama's birth –{ snip} -- it will still not be enough evidence to convince them.
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Of course not, the pope is a Catholic.

Posted by: Alferd | April 28, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

All they birthers want is a verification of a VALID birth certificate. It shouldn't be that difficult.
******************************************************************************************

Let me tell you a story about my trailer-trash conservative Aunt.

She was convinced that the February birthstone was "Armistice." No one could convince her otherwise. You could try to tell her it was "Amethyst" but she would argue literally forever.

You could try to show her a geology textbook or an encyclopedia and she'd call it "Communist nonsense" and still not believe you.

You see, she was also self-conscious about being poor, and uneducated, she grew to despise anyone with any more knowledge of any subject than she had. And the way she "got back" at you for being "privileged", was to flaunt her own ignorance in your face to the extent she'd willfully choose fiction over facts.

She would have made a pretty great birther.

Posted by: Gover | April 28, 2010 4:24 PM
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Do you realize how ridiculous you sound?

Posted by: Cryos | April 28, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Cyros wrote: Are people like you really that dumb? All they birthers want is a verification of a VALID birth certificate. It shouldn't be that difficult.
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The COLB is a VALID birth certificate. Therefore you are full of it.

Posted by: Alferd | April 28, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Now the birthers have a new tack on this. Even though Obama was born in Hawaii, he's not a "natural born" citizen, because his father wasn't a citizen. Nothing will satisfy them.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/22262

Posted by: sjpatejak | April 28, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Well, when the 'birthers march on Washington we could corral them and transfer them to a psychiatric facility to be evaluated as a danger to self of others. My Certificate of Live Birth issued by the state of LA has never once been questioned but if it was I could be out of luck as it it my understanding that the original was destroyed in a fire along with everyone else's stored at that court house. What is the explanation that not only one but two newspapers have in their archives President Obama's birth announcement. Was this conspiracy suggesting that someone somehow new almost 50 years ago that one day he would run for president and win? The 'birthers have been thrown out of court so many times they have been told they would fact contempt of court charges for even filing another suit. I think my original suggestion of getting to a psychiatric hospital and back on their meds would be a public service.

Posted by: xclntcat | April 28, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how long it will be before THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF VIRGINA and the other states file suit saying this action LIMITS STATES RIGHTS.

I have yet to hear A TEA BAGGER ASK FOR MARCO RUBIOS CREDS

Posted by: racerdoc | April 28, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Cyros wrote: Are people like you really that dumb? All they birthers want is a verification of a VALID birth certificate. It shouldn't be that difficult.
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The COLB is a VALID birth certificate. Therefore you are full of it.

Posted by: Alferd | April 28, 2010 4:49 PM
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The COLB from 1961 was NOT a valid form of ID even in Hawaii. During that year they issued it to foreign births.

Does this mean Obama was not born in the US? Of COURSE not. However don't try to obscure the facts.

Until this issue came up Hawaii itself said COLB was not a valid form of ID for some things.

Posted by: Cryos | April 28, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Superstitions, fear, hate and prejudice works wonders on the uneducated Joe Six Pack crew. And enlist a few Gong Show host rejects as mouthpieces on Fox News. Brainwash, like a good cult does. It would be interesting to see how many committed (or should be) far right wing nuts will show up. They would like it to a law that black people cannot be us citizens so they don’t have this problem again.

They would like it to a law that black people cannot be us citizens so they don’t have this problem again.

P.S. I tried posting this on FOX news. It doesn't. FOX news regulates too may non-Republican taking point from being posted.

Posted by: ronoz | April 28, 2010 4:09 PM
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Maybe they don't like hateful racism like your post.

Posted by: Cryos | April 28, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Has Clinton's or GWB's birth certificates been proven valid" yet?

Posted by: knjincvc | April 28, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

". . . in Arizona . . , the State legislative Republicans just passed a birther bill "SB 1024" that would require all presidential candidates to prove they are a natural born citizen to the Sec of State of AZ in order to be placed on the state ballot. The bill will go to the full Senate for approval."


Sooo ... why don't all candidates in AZ have to submit their birth certificates?

Posted by: knjincvc | April 28, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

TO: Cryos who wrote:

All the birthers want is a verification of a VALID birth certificate. It shouldn't be that difficult.
******************************************************************************************

Let me tell you a story about my trailer-trash conservative Aunt.

She was convinced that the February birthstone was "Armistice." No one could convince her otherwise. You could try to tell her it was "Amethyst" but she would argue literally forever.

You could try to show her a geology textbook or an encyclopedia and she'd call it "Communist nonsense" and still not believe you.

You see, she was also self-conscious about being poor, and uneducated, she grew to despise anyone with any more knowledge of any subject than she had. And the way she "got back" at you for being "privileged", was to flaunt her own ignorance in your face to the extent she'd willfully choose fiction over facts.

She would have made a pretty great birther.

Posted by: Gover | April 28, 2010 4:24 PM

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Gover, spot on my friend!

My father used to say: “Convince a fool against their will, they’ll keep the same opinion still.”

The birthers want to see the POTUS’s birth certificate, but if they saw it, it wouldn’t change one single thing. Why, because they made up all that crap in the first place.

I liked it when the used to call President Obama a draft dodger, because President Obama was only a child during the Vietnam War. (LOL)


Posted by: lindalovejones | April 28, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

I wonder why some people seem completely incapable of looking at that certificate of live birth without realizing it PROVES NOTHING.

If the "actual birth certificate" exists let us have a look at it. Then we can independently verify the truth of his American born status and the issue will go away. Until that happens our constitution is being ignored and we have every right to doubt his qualification to hold the office.

This ain't over yet. Got that?

Posted by: buzzfuzzel | April 28, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

I don't follow the whole issue with people thinking he's not a citizen, but you do realize that they just might not have a copy of that particular "long" birth certificate? I don't have a copy of mine, it was lost years and years ago, and I have a certificate exactly like that from the State of Minnesota, only in pink and blue. Does that make ME suspect of not being a true citizen? I guess conspriacy theorists will come out of the woodwork as they do, I just never realized they could become such a movement.

Posted by: saetum | April 28, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Suppose you were born in Hawaii. And you needed a copy of your birth certificate for a job in say... Arizona. If you filled out a form for your birth certificate you would receive the same form Obama did.

Both my daughters were born in Massachusetts. After the birth of the eldest we received a form labeled "Birth Certificate".

Three years later, our younger daughter received a form labeled "Certificate of Live Birth". I guess she won't be able to run for president... (And she wasn't even born in Kenya...)

Regarding some of the other statements here. Pay a visit to factcheck.org where you will see articles linking to New York Times articles with people who remember him from his college days, from one of his old roommates. You can find him listed in old university directories.

Posted by: dstack1776 | April 28, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Why would the birthers, or anyone else for that matter, believe that if it were true, that President Obama isn't a Natural Born U.S. Citizen, that during the campaigning/election process, that the Republicans wouldn't have slammed us with that fact? They would have grabbed onto it like a dog with a bone, and found proof that he was born outside the U.S. They keep letting the birthers go on and on about this silliness, just to keep negative things being said about the President. Think people!!!!!!

Posted by: bpastori | April 28, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

He was born in Hawaii and his mother was an American citizen. The only one running for president in 2008 who was not a "natural born citizen" was John McCain. He was born in Panama. The last time I looked at a map, Panama is not part of the United States.

Posted by: enoughalready5 | April 28, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Just part of the plan to distract from the real problems Americans face. Problems Republicans caused and refuse to take responsibility for. True believers can't face facts. Tea baggers, birthers, all being fed by the entertainment news channel, Fox.

In their twisted minds, they are being ruled by an alien monster from a distant country and religion and must be stopped. Actually they are. His name is Robert Murdoch.

Posted by: thebobbob | April 28, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

I think the birthers and everyone on this post who agree with them have missed the fact that you are an American citizen if you have an American parent. No matter where he was born, he is a natural born citizen of the U.S.

John McCain was born in Panama, but to American parents. I was born in Clermont-Ferrand, France to a French father and an American mother, I'm still considered an American citizen. I agree with those who think this is about something other than a birth certifcate.

Posted by: FriedGreenTomato | April 28, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

The reason these idiots known as birthers can't accept the facts, emphasize FACTS, is because they are ignorant and probably believe the Hawaii is not a state, that the US government planned and executed 9/11, that aliens are being kept in Area 54 in a freezer, that the moon landing was filmed in a desert, that the Martian attack radio program was real, and that Bill Clinton killed Vince Foster and made it look like a suicide. How many other conspiracies have I left out?

Posted by: myersdonihoo | April 28, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad you posted that FriedGreenTomato. That is the way I understood the Constitutional amendment when I read it, if you are born to at least one American parent (anywhere in the world), you are considered a natural born citizen.

Posted by: enoughalready5 | April 28, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

My gosh, these people are dense!!! He is an American citizen, born in Hawaii, pure and simple. Sheesh. And, if that's not enough, at the time of his birth, his mother was an American citizen, thereby guaranteeing him citizenship anyway. These people with birtheridiotitis need to find something else to gripe and whine about.

Posted by: AnneTX | April 28, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

So nobody remembers Obama in school? ABC News thinks somebody does: http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=3082803&page=1

Posted by: akageorge | April 28, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Hey CapeHart!

It's not valid without the attending/delivering physician's signature and Notary's stamp. You've put up further proof. A non-certified birth certificate. I could come up with one of those for Hugo Chavez for corn's sake. There is no "certificate". Certificate implies a physician and notary "certified" the legal birth of BHO. There's no one, and I mean no one in the state to stand by that birth certificate. It's unsigned, it's a fraud, it's a fake, and so are you.

Posted by: JamesChristian | April 28, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Either way, long from, short form. It really doesn’t matter.

Interesting report on what the Office of The Office of The Inspector General(US Government) has to say about Birth Certificates.

http://oig.hhs.gov/oei/reports/oei-07-99-00570.pdf

Posted by: tune4pwr | April 28, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Re: Posted by: JamesChristian | April 28, 2010

JamesChristian, I sincerely hope you are joking. There are many people in the U.S. and many other countries who were not delivered by doctors. Home deliveries, midwives, etc were fairly common in rural communities. And again, if one parent is a citizen...then he's a citizen too.

Posted by: FriedGreenTomato | April 28, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

For those who actually wish to know the truth, it's all at Factcheck.org,

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

For those who don't want to know the truth, your myopia is sadly incurable and terminal.

Posted by: tfseem | April 28, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

@ myersdonihoo: You left out the Kennedy assassination conspiracies, and the ones that say Hitler didn't really die. And, of course, there is the one about a lab in New Orleans being the original source of the HIV virus. I'm sure there are more, if birther theorists grow weary of their circus.

Posted by: jetteyeknight | April 28, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

tfseem.

I went your site.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago.

FactCheck Representatives? Who are they? What are thier credentials?

Did they send it to these people.

http://www.ice.gov/partners/investigations/services/forensiclab.htm

The Forensics Document Laboratory...

Posted by: tune4pwr | April 28, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

"Libera Tuam Mentem"

Posted by: tune4pwr | April 28, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Mr Capehart,

TWO things here are TRUE:
1. BHO could have STOPPED this "whole deal" by being HONEST & allowing his personal birth/financial/academic/criminal records to be OPENED for ALL to see.
AND
2. regardless at this point, he is DONE on election day of 2012 (he has NO chance of re-election, as 2/3 of voters think that he's DISHONEST. period. end of story.- i predict that his loss in 2012 will be as great as George McGovern's was in '68.) & BHO will be IRRELEVANT starting in January of 2013, as the DIMocRATS are about to lose BOTH houses of the Congress.

you see, it makes NO difference.

yours, TN46

Posted by: texasnative46 | April 28, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

I know the birthers nonsense just drives some people crazy however, I just spent a pleasant 30 minutes or so reading and laughing while waiting for my grandson to fall asleep.

I believe as others have also stated that the problem with the birthers is that 1. they don't believe Hawaii is really a state, 2. they don't believe that Obama's mother was really a white American citizen and 3. it is just not possible that the son of a black man from Kenya sits in their white house. Ya gotta laugh.

Posted by: Auntiecyn2 | April 28, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

I am an American citizen, born in Buffalo, NY. My parents had an old birth certificate, but I realized that I needed one with a raised seal to get my NJ driver's license renewed after 9/11. So, I contacted Buffalo and found out that all certificates come from a central location in NY state. My new certificate looks like the one President Obama has posted online with the same details listed. My kids' certificates from CA also look like this. You don't get the one with a doctor signature anymore. Have you tried to get a copy of your own birth certificate?

Posted by: elpo1 | April 28, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

OMG. Who gives a rat's arse. His mother was an American citizen.

These damned Birthers and Tea Party morons are an embarassment to this country.

I wish they would have a huge convention somewhere in Texas so they can bemoan their fate and rant about taxes, guns, and socialism. And when the crowd is on its feet cheeing Sarah Palin I hope a giant swarm of killer bees attacks them all. So there.

Posted by: Saramee | April 28, 2010 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Cryos, you are misinformed on several counts and even a small amount of research would show that. You wrote "The COLB from 1961 was NOT a valid form of ID even in Hawaii. During that year they issued it to foreign births.

Does this mean Obama was not born in the US? Of COURSE not. However don't try to obscure the facts.

Until this issue came up Hawaii itself said COLB was not a valid form of ID for some things."

1. The COLBs are what is now issued to EVERYONE in Hawaii. According to a statement from the Hawaii DOH, the ones issued for foreign birth state the foreign place where the person was born. Note that Obama's says "Honolulu."

2. Hawaii preferred the original certificate ONLY for the Hawaiian Homelands Program. It never said the COLB was not valid, just that it was not preferred to PROVE HAWAIIAN ANCESTRY. Since Obama wasn't trying to prove he had native Hawaiian ancestry, he didn't need a certificate stating where his parents were born. Nice try.

3. The COLB has a seal and official signature certifying it contains information from the original record. It would get you a driver's license, passport, or anything else one needed a birth certificate for.

Posted by: EL1045 | April 29, 2010 2:02 AM | Report abuse

The dumbing down of America has never been so obvious as it is here. There was a United States before the Civil War.

Read up on our Founding Fathers and the principles upon which this nation was founded. Search out primary sources instead of a FactCheck document. Maybe you can take part in an intelligent discussion/debate about the issue itself rather than name calling.

Posted by: swamprat1 | April 29, 2010 2:14 AM | Report abuse

OK ... We have a COLB but not the original .... Now, how about the rest of the stuff the President refuses to release:

1 Certified copy of original birth certificate
2 Columbia University transcripts
3 Columbia thesis paper
4 Campaign donor analysis requested by 7 major watchdog groups
5 Harvard University transcripts
6 Illinois State Senate records
7 Illinois State Senate schedule
8 Law practice client list and billing records/summary
9 Locations and names of all half-siblings and step-mother
10 Medical records (only the one page summary released so far)
11 Occidental College Transcripts
12 Parent’s marriage Certificate
13 Record of baptism
14 Selective Service registration records
(Did Obama Actually Register for Selective Service?
This supposed revelation of 0's SS records has been debunked here and here.)
15 Schedules for trips outside of the United States before 2007
16 Passport records for all passports
17 Scholarly articles
18 SAT and LSAT test scores
19 Access to his grandmother in Kenya
20 List of all campaign workers that are lobbyists
21 Punahou grade school records
22 Noelani Kindergarten records are oddly missing from the the State of Hawaii Department of Education.
23 Page 11 of Stanley Ann Dunham's divorce decree.
24 Why isn't Barack Obama still a member of the Illinois bar and where are all of the relevant documents?
25 Why isn't Michelle Obama still a member of the Illinois bar, after only about four years of practice, and where are all of the relevant documents?

Posted by: HadaAbeche | April 29, 2010 2:45 AM | Report abuse

Capehart:
I feel that you, like many others, misunderstand the subject on which you write.

The basic issue is whether or not the current occupant of the Oval Office is qualified, per Article II, section 1, of the Constitution, to hold the office.

There are three requirements that a candidate for President must meet: That person must be a Natural Born Citizen, at least 35 years of age, and a resident of the United States for at least 14 years.

Notice the distinction of "Natural Born Citizen", not merely a citizen. It is this first requirement that Obama fails.

English common law,and colonial laws, from which the founders drew their inspiration, recognized a Natural Born Citizen as a child who was born in the country to two citizen parents. As Barack Obama Senior was a subject of Great Britain (Kenya in 1961 being a colony of the UK), and NOT an American Citizen, this disqualifies his son. In addition, his mother was too young to confer citizenship to Obama at the time.

Posted by: jalfieri1 | April 29, 2010 2:52 AM | Report abuse

“... requests from folks out there who lack the ability to focus on what really matters.”

Oh, ok Capehart. So what you’re saying is that obeying the law and enforcing our Constitution is not important stuff... a non-issue. Because you believe Obama was born in the US and that’s ALL that matters here. WRONG!!

There are (3) types of US Citizen Nationality

Type-1) Native born citizenship. Anyone born on US Soil, including nationals, and that are legally recognized by statute are to be a US citizen FROM birth.

Type-2) Naturalized citizenship. Is an “acquisition of citizenship” by legal petition... for those who are foreign born or not legally recognized by statute to be a citizen or national FROM birth. And upon lawful completion of the application & requisites for US Naturalization the applicant is administered the oath of allegiance thus becoming a US citizen.

1 & 2 are pursuant to.... and the ONLY (2) types of US Nationality recognized by the 14th Amendment.

Read it for yourself, you genius, Capehart.

The 14th amendment: “...All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

The 14th addresses ONLY Native(Type 1) & Naturalized(Type 2) citizenship NOT Natural Born.

Type-3) Natural Born citizenship:

Any person born on US soil pursuant to the (Type-1) Native born requirements above... AND IN ADDITION... BOTH parents MUST also be US Citizens ( Type-1 or 2) and are WITHOUT allegiance to any other Country or Nation-body (Having no dual citizenship).

Again... A “Natural Born” citizen is both a US Citizen by virtue of Type-1 nationality (US Code http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/usc_sup_01_8_10_12_20_III.html ) pursuant to the 14th amendment... with the distinct qualification of being born to parents who are BOTH US Citizens/without-dual-allegiance.

A UNIQUE CLASS of US Citizens within the definition of US Nationality.

Obama was not born to (2) US Citizen Parents, or Nationals, on US Soil. His father was a British subject of Kenya, which Obama himself admitted in his book “Dreams of my Father”.

“Only a NAURAL BORN citizen is special and can become the President of the US. All others are unlawful in qualification to seek the presidency ...”

The only constitutional reference to “Natural Born” is within the qualification to be a US President. “Natural Born” is a specific burden that is required to be satisfied in order to qualify. Obama DOES NOT QUALIFY since his father was not a US Citizen but a British Subject!

Obama is a NATURALIZED CITIZEN by statute!... NOT a “NATURAL BORN” Citizen.

Obama is not black he’s half white... GOT IT!
Obama IS NOT the first black president, only dark-skinned... GOT IT!
Obama is a self-avowed Marxist... GOT IT!

Obama is a poser/usurper and total FRAUD... and HE knows it!

GOT IT... CAPEHART!!

Posted by: GordonGekko | April 29, 2010 5:17 AM | Report abuse

@GordonGecko, you Sir are a liar! There is no law which requires you to have 2 U.S. citizens for parents for you to be acknowleged as a U.S. citizen. ONLY 1 parent needs to be a citizen.

I AM PROOF. I was born in France to a French father and American mother. I spent the first 11 years of life in Clermont-Ferrand, before coming to America....AS A CITIZEN OF THE U.S.

@Jalfeiri, please indicate your source for stating the age limits at which one can confer citizenship to one's child? Ohh, that's right there is no source. She was of age, married and a college student.

When you people have no facts, you start fabricating them. How sad.

Posted by: FriedGreenTomato | April 29, 2010 7:03 AM | Report abuse

Gee,you will soon have to delete this thread, because the real issue is clear... It's the Constitution. He has never provided real proof he is a "natural born citizen" and indeed, hides the evidence that would prove his qualifications for the job according to the Constitution. Quit mischaracterising and lying about what the issue is. It's not the dumb COLB.

Posted by: virginiaharlow | April 29, 2010 7:29 AM | Report abuse

Johnathan, How dare you call the righteous Africans, whose blood flows through your veins, misrepresenters.

“A Luo {is} President of the United States before a Luo becomes President of
Kenya.”

http://www.wcfia.harvard.edu/sites/default/files/africaseminar_kluongo2.pdf

If America was living in a situation where they feared ethnicity and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation, how could a young man born here in Keya who is not even a native American become President of America?

http://www.bunge.go.ke/parliament/downloads/tenth_forth_sess/Hansard/RDRAFT25.03P.pdf


This has nothing to do with being Partisian. It has everything to do with the Truth. Kenya/Africa says he was born there.Who telling the truth? And who is misrepresenting facts?

Lastly Johnathan surely you can read, you posted a "Certification", not a Certificate. Below is a Certificate,
its what the People Demand and can
understand and proof of Birthplace.It is a
Certficate, from one of the Nordyke twins
born Aug. 8, 1961 in Honolulu Hawaii:

http://nocompromisemedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/090728birthcert.gif


Posted by: Georgetown3 | April 29, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

FriedGreenTomato | April 29, 2010 7:03 AM |

You are wrong Fried Green Tomato. Gordon Gecko was giving the rules for Natural Born Citizen which must be met to become the Prez of the USA only. Natural Born Citizen is the law to become president.

WE USED TO BE A NATION OF LAWS, NOT A LAWLESS NATION RUN BY ANYONE WHO CAN SEIZE POWER BY ANY MEANS.

Posted by: billpowdrell | April 29, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

In regard to the COLB shown above, I have just one question: Since when is "African" a race? Is "North American" a race? Our president's father was a Negro. Gary Player and John Kerry's wife are Caucasians. They are all Africans. The COLB is not genuine.

As several commenters state above, given what we know now, Obama's biggest eligibility problem is his father's British citizenship.

Posted by: JamesThomas2 | April 29, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

So the left is still trying to defend the indefensible, Barack, Barry, Steve, cannot be a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN because his father was a British Citizen his words not mine. When I took a High School American History class it was clearly taught you had to be born of TWO CITIZEN PARENTS!!!!! To be the POTUS!!! The left is so afarid that this will come out they don't know what to do with themselves!!!! Barry will be outed one way or the other and when he is there will be many in the goverment who will pay for this crime against WE THE PEOPLE!!! oh and the left should remember one thing Bill Clinton was the first Birther he outed this FRAUD first!!!!

Posted by: cassiemaxdog | April 29, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Bill Clinton was the first Birther he outed this FRAUD first!!!!

Posted by: cassiemaxdog | April 29, 2010 11:11 AM
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DON'T FORGET CLINTON WAS THE "FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT" too.

Posted by: billpowdrell | April 29, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Oh, my God. Is every nut job in the country converging on this thread?

Posted by: Jerseycoa | April 29, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

"This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in ANY court preceeding."

THE ONLY REASON this is even a question is because he is black and has an Arabic name.

Nobody has EVER asked a white candidate or president to prove anything.

But now that Blacks and Hispanics are moving up politically, the racists are running scared. What a bunch of poo.

Posted by: cvb05 | April 29, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

cassiemaxdog:When I took a High School American History class it was clearly taught you had to be born of TWO CITIZEN PARENTS!!!!!

Were you home schooled or special ed?

Posted by: coryvreckan | April 29, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

@FriedGreenTomato...

You, sir can’t read... or comprehend!

Go back to what I posted and find Type-3 “Natural Born” Citizenship.

Now try to use your brain some this time and follow what is written below it.

The argument for having (2) US Citizen parents is specifically used in the context of defining a “Natural Born” US Citizen, Type-3.... NOT Type-1 or 2.

Yah got that now FriedGreenTomato!?!

You did in-fact agree with me regarding US Nationality within the definition of Native or Naturalized citizen pursuant to US CODE and the 14th amendment Type-1 or 2, of which you yourself are.

Now read my post in its entirety again, CORRECTLY... and try calling me a liar!

Posted by: GordonGekko | April 29, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

The "birth certificate" shown in this article has been proven to be a fake.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html

Posted by: curth1 | April 29, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Some birthers imagine that there is a difference between being a “citizen by birth” or a “native citizen” on the one hand and a “natural born” citizen on the other. All three terms are identical in meaning. As Chief Justice Morrison Waite noted in Minor v. Happersett (1874):

(quote) Additions might always be made to the citizenship of the United States in two ways: first, by birth, and second, by naturalization. This is apparent from the Constitution itself, for it provides that “no person except a natural-born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President,” and that Congress shall have power “to establish a uniform rule of naturalization.” Thus new citizens may be born or they may be created by naturalization. (end quote)

If you are born in the US, you are a citizen (14th ammendment; few exclusions apply). If you are not a naturalized citizen, you are a natural born citizen (Minor v. Happersett, US Supreme court).

Posted by: MRich1 | April 29, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

The Judge said "additions might always be made to the citizenship" not the special status of "natural-born citizen. What he said doesn't change the "natural born" status at all. He's talking about citizenship, not the special status required for the presidency according to the Constitution.

Posted by: virginiaharlow | April 29, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

to all,

imVho,all of you are swallowing a camel & actually fighting over a gnat.

BHO is UNqualified MORALLY to be anything but a cheap CROOK & a LIAR.

further, after 20JAN13, he will be the EX-President. after Dec of 2010, he will be IRRELEVANT, as the DIMocRATS are about to LOSE both houses of Congress.

at over 60 years old, i never thought i would live to see a POTUS, who made Jimmy Carter look COMPETENT & Richard Nixon look HONEST. - i was, sadly i must tell you, mistaken. BHO is worse than BOTH, combined.

yours, TN46

Posted by: texasnative46 | April 29, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

When are people going to realize that a "natural born Citizen"
means being born to "natural (biological) Parents (plural)
who are "citizens" within the jurisdiction of one of the united States whose "allegiance" is
solely to the United States and
no other foreign Country.
Obama's father was a British subject of Kenya and never a u.s. citizen.
Obama inherited his father's
nationality/citizenship at birth
as a British subject of Kenya.
He can never meet the requirements
of Article II, section 1, clause 5
no matter where he was "physically" born.
His mother was not old enough to
pass citizenship onto him, as
Statute states you must be 5 yrs
over the age of 14 at that time.

Posted by: dansmith1954 | May 1, 2010 12:13 AM | Report abuse

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