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Palin's support of legal lunacy in Arizona

Showing her trademark reflexive know-nothingness, Sarah Palin declared yesterday, "It's time for Americans across this great country to stand up and say, 'We're all Arizonans now!'"

That would be true if "we" favored a law so flawed that not even the Arizona Association of Police Chiefs supports it.

Then Palin went a step further and blamed President Obama for Arizona's legal lunacy: "And in clear unison we say, 'Mr. President: Do your job. Secure our border.'"

Good grief. Just a little reading up on the issue should have sprinkled a bit of doubt on her barren mental landscape on this subject. Here, Gov. Palin, read the editorial we wrote that highlights how the law raises the potential for racial profiling and poisons police relations with immigrant communities, to name two areas of concern. And then read this piece from Andres Oppenheimer of the Miami Herald, especially the part about Arizona's declining crime rate in 2008.

What's needed is comprehensive immigration reform at the federal level. But all the sensible solutions have been, are and will continue to be shot down by the Sarah Palin wing of the Republican Party. And as long as some Republican lawmakers on Capitol Hill remain fearful of these vocal reactionaries, nothing will get done.

By Jonathan Capehart  | May 17, 2010; 11:52 AM ET
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I find the current GOP talking points confusing on this illegal immigration matter. Aren't these the same exact people who favored illegal immigration because it was good for big business?

It's fascinating how (1) the GOP speaks with a single voice from a script, and (2) how they don't seem to care that they've completely flip-flopped.

The need to pander to the Limbaugh Right has trumped everything they once believed.

Why can't they ever act like adults and admit this is a very complicated, difficult, troublesome issue? Let's discuss it as a nation and come up with a comprehensive plan!

We could some adults.

Posted by: cturtle1 | May 17, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Good grief Jonny, if you read the Arizona Association of police chiefs statement they make it clear that they oppose the law because they're being asked to do something the government should be doing, which is EXACTLY what that evil Palin lady you hate so much is saying.

Posted by: natmcl73 | May 17, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin's idea of addressing such a complex and difficult issue as illegal immigration is to post a goofy, trite, and cutey-pie catch phrase on Facebook. I bet Alaska is thanking its lucky stars that she resigned the governorship and went back to being a high school cheerleader.

Posted by: cturtle1 | May 17, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Why can't the liberals man up and recognize that Obama screwed up the border and is acting like the child he is about it?

Posted by: skipsailing28 | May 17, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Ask yourself: Why doesn't President Obama and other elected officials care to protect us from population explosions of illegal people streaming across our borders? Why isn't the Obama administration upholding a law (already on the books) that would stem the loss of American jobs to illegals? Why does the President of the United States advocate criminals taking advantage of benefits that have been EARNED by American workers and LEGAL immigrants?

Posted by: QuineGeology | May 17, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Palin's cheery "We're all Arizonans now" remark can be translated as "We're all Arizonans now, except Arizonans who speak Spanish and appear to be illegal immigrants! We're all Arizonans now, except the ones of you who were brought here illegally at age 2 and are now perhaps graduating from high school or joining the war effort. We're all Arizonans as long as we have the papers to prove it!"

Just like her mind-boggling simple-minded exclusiveness when she talks about "real" Americans, this Facebook-level remark about being "Arizonans" bit reveals tons more about her own mentality and biases than it reveals any solution to an incredibly complex problem.

She's an ongoing beauty pageant contestant continuing to get media coverage for her complete inability to think deeply about a single thing. Seriously, if she weren't a practiced beauty queen -- if she were plain and fat, for example -- would she get ANY attention for her vapid Facebook fare?

Posted by: cturtle1 | May 17, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

How shocking...another northeastern elitist commenting on something he knows very little about. Why is it that the rank and file officers (i.e., boots on the ground) support the law? I get why the chief's don't: it's an unfunded mandate. Additionally, why is it that Phoenix is now the kidnapping capital of the US? Simple...human smuggling from Mexico. I served as the foreman (excuse me, foreperson) on a grand jury in Maricopa County and can state unequivocally that this is a larger problem than ever seems to be reported. Much of the same is at stake (huge amounts of money) for human smugglers as for drug traffickers, and they don't mind using incredibly brutal tactics to accomplish their goal. Further, if you're so concerned about racial profiling, why don't you jump down the throat of the INS? I can assure you that at every checkpoint the INS has in Arizona and California, racial profiling is being used to stop (or not) people passing through in cars. Should we simply assume that the Federal Government knows how to avoid racially profile, but that law enforcement in Arizona can't? A bit of a double standard, perhaps? Your "dream" of immigration reform will remain just that; politicians don't have the cojones (it's ok for me to use Spanish...my wife's Hispanic) to address this issue. This mess will simply continue on as it has for the last half century, with pundits like you waxing philosophic on how wrong those of us out here in the mix truly are. Nice try.

Posted by: ANCLvr | May 17, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Furthermore, Eric Holder - the Attorney General of the United States appointed by President Obama - had not yet read this anti-immigration bill (again, already on the books), yet felt qualified to call it "misguided", "racist" and "unconstitutional".

Talk about "Legal Lunacy". The only "legal lunacy" going on here is being aided and abetted by the Obama regime and lap-dog media types, like Jonathan Capehart.

Posted by: QuineGeology | May 17, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Why can't the liberals man up and recognize that Obama screwed up the border and is acting like the child he is about it?

Posted by: skipsailing28 | May 17, 2010 1:34 PM
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This is rich, and a sign that some people will blame Democrats for earthquakes, volcanoes and floods.

Wasn't it the *Republicans* who shot down GWB's attempt to reform immigration and border control?

As for Palin, she's an idiot. She's a hick and a huckster who only wants to make a buck by stirring up controversy. She can get away with blaming others for Arizona passing a bad law because Alaska doesn't have much of an illegal immigrant problem (are there Russians slipping into Alaska? Guess Sarah wasn't looking out her window that day, since she can see Russia from her house...)

The federal government should do something about illegal immigration. But accusing Obama of failing on this issue is ridiculous... and we'll see the Arizona law struck down as unconsitutional before too long, wait and see.

Posted by: dbitt | May 17, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

It is amusing to read leftist swine criticizing Sarah Palin. The entire world view of the Left consists in blaming the White race for every evil on earth. Atty. Genl. Eric "Stedman" Holder couldn't even say "radical Islam" at a recent House hearing. Plus he, like the swinish leftists who post here, had never read the Arizona law although he had criticized in on national television.

The left's game is to change the demographics of the USA so that Whites become a minority. That is why they blather about immigration reform but never discuss taking the elementary step of securing our borders. The Left is composed of liars and racists, who, like Obamao, play racial identity politics while attacking Whites as racists.

Posted by: Azarkhan | May 17, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Capeheart, you lunatic.

I dare you - go to AZ, rent a house, have no guns, no security systems, and no sleeping aids - for six months.

We'll see if your hair is still black when you get back.

Posted by: joesmithdefend | May 17, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Where are your nuts? Palin has more in one finger than your entire being.

Posted by: joesmithdefend | May 17, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

cturtle,

I've revised your comment so that it makes more sense. Here is the revision:

Palin's cheery "We're all Arizonans now" remark can be translated as "We're all Arizonans now, except criminals who have broken the law and pose a security threat. We're all Arizonans now, except illegal aliens who are stealing jobs from LEGAL and NATURALIZED Americans. We're all Arizonans now, except for lawbreakers who are taking advantage of benefits EARNED by American workers and legal immigrants.

Unlike Obama's mind-boggling, simple-minded exclusiveness when he plays the race card and talks about black and minority Americans supporting liberal candidates, Palin's Facebook remarks about being "Arizonans" is a clarion call to ALL legal Americans to stand by this law (which has already been on the books) to begin to solve what should be an incredibly easy problem, but for the puzzling inaction of the Obama administration.


Palin is a powerful political force, continuing to get media coverage for her values, her accomplishments, her ability to fire up a crowd and her decent, commonsense solutions to problems. Seriously, if she weren't a practiced beauty queen -- if she were plain and fat, for example -- she would STILL garner attention and praise for her record of cleaning up corruption in Alaska politics, putting her state on a sturdy economic path and fighting the establishment at every turn for the benefit of the people.

Lucky for us, she's gorgeous to boot.

Posted by: QuineGeology | May 17, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

ANCLvr - - GREAT post. Thank you.

Posted by: QuineGeology | May 17, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Why can't the liberals man up and recognize that Obama screwed up the border and is acting like the child he is about it?

Posted by: skipsailing28 | May 17, 2010 1:34 PM

So you're telling me the borders were secure before the current administration? Here we go again blaming Obama for a problem that existed long before he was arrested...

Posted by: kevin_rigsby19 | May 17, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I remember back in '08 when illegals first started crossing the US border...

...it was a cold and snowy inauguration night when the first illegal crossed our Southern border...

"Haha that fool Obama is in charge and he loves freeloaders like me! Time to migrate!"

Yep that's how it happened. I can remember it like I was listening to Rush yesterday...

Posted by: Gover | May 17, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Now the Obamao State Dept. has apologized to China for the Arizona law. Because, you know, China sets such a great example regarding human rights.

PS: I guess Pres Obama didn't kiss enough Chinese a@@ when he visited last year.

Posted by: Azarkhan | May 17, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Geez, Capehart - and what you failed to articulate is a solution to the problem. What are we to do - have an amnesty program every 20 years or so for the illegals? Remember - we tried that in the 80's and it failed terribly...and your solution - more of the same???

Posted by: short1 | May 17, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

So, Capehart, you sat down and read the bill with Eric Holder? After you actually read the bill, compare it to the federal immigration law that is already in place. The difference is simple. AZ has decided to enforce the law.

Show me the clause that calls for racial profiling and the poisoning of police relations?

The Arizonans are fighting for their lives you are playing politics.

Posted by: bethg1841 | May 17, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

There is a report in the Washington Times that compares the Arizona law to California law. Turns out both require that foreigners show paperwork indicating they are here legally.

Maybe the bozos in California should boycott themselves.

Posted by: Azarkhan | May 17, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Arizonans aren't "fighting for their lives". That's comical. Before you spew some phrase that you think has meaning, go to a source, like the reports in Arizona about Arizona and learn.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2010/05/02/20100502arizona-border-violence-mexico.html

Violent crime isn't climbing, nor has it, for a decade.

Posted by: saintex | May 17, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

The original bill, subsequently altered by the governor, said that police could ask for papers in any legal encounter. They rewrote the law so that it is any legal encounter that involves citation, arrest, etc. The original bill is indensible because there's no way to "suspect someone of being an illegal immigrant" other then saying they are brown. It was racist and there was no excuse for it. The current bill - it has been changed - is not different than what happens if I get pulled over, or am involved in an incident, where I'm asked for my identification. It's very simple.

Posted by: saintex | May 17, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I suggest the anti-American/Arizona law clowns check out Borderland Beat, one of best sites I've seen that covers the cartel wars in Mexico. If you really think that murder and mayhem in Mexico will not spill over into the US or Arizona, then you are dumber than I think you are. And I think you leftists are extremely dumb.

Posted by: Azarkhan | May 17, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Is the discussion about illegal immigration or drug cartels? So, a debate about immigration law is now neatly moved into the realm of the drug wars, cartels, and slaughter in Mexico? How easy was that? So, in order to have a debate about a peice of legislation we now have to either prove or disprove whether or not the cartels and their violence may spread to the U.S. because if that can't be done the original text of the law was okay. The violence may or may not move, but either way, it's merely a distractor from the actual, legal debate.

Posted by: saintex | May 17, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Palin is a blowhard...

...but you're giving her a run for her money.

Posted by: Measured | May 17, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Okay, folks, what should Arizona do? We have to pay state taxes to educate these kids, and our classrooms are falling apart at the seams. We are being asked to raise our own taxes tomorrow to spare education from further cuts. If we cleared our classrooms of illegals, we could educate our own children.

Roughly 15% of our state prison population are criminal aliens--bad guys who committed felonies and were sentenced to prison. Those victims were Arizonans and Arizonans are paying to incarcerate them (President Obama's budget zeroed out State Criminal Alien Assistance Program funding, which pays the states roughly 10 cents on the dollar for the costs of incarcerating criminal aliens; Arizona's Democrats restored the funds. The nationwide total fromt eh feds: $300 million. L.A. County spends roughly $75 million annually just to house criminal aliens in county lockup).

Arizona leads the nation in ID theft related to employment fraud. Those are people working under someone else's Social Security numbers. My intern had her SS# stolen by an illegal in Calfornia, the ultimate sanctuary state. She got a call from a collection agency who was working for the state of California. They claimed she owed back taxes—but she never lived in California. An illegal immigrant stole her Social Security number when she was 14 years old (ten years earlier). I saw my intern's credit report. This other woman had defaulted on several credit cards; she had an auto repossessed and she had a house going into foreclosure. I believe the damage was close to $500,000. My intern had to send all sorts of documentation to the state of California so they would close her case. The worst part: she couldn’t get law enforcement in California to file a criminal complaint against the woman who did this.

The federal government has not done its job. Politicans are too busy pandering for the Latino vote. And the majority of Americans support Arizona's attempt to take control of OUR border. Here's the thing: the state law mirrors the federal provisions in USC Title 8. A law enforcement officer wearing a federal badge can ask these questions; why shouldn't a properly trained local law enforcement officer do the same? SB1070 was written to prohibit cities (such as Phoenix) from enacting sanctuary city policies that prohibt law enforcement officers from ascertaining legal status in the U.S. when pulling over a Ford Explorer with 20 people who can't speak English and have no documentation. But that's not reasonable suspicion, huh?

Open borders people: go volunteer to sponsor an illegal. Pay the person's living costs and legal fees. Or donate to border states that must cover the costs for these open border policies that you espouse. Otherwise, shut up and go sip you fair-market coffee in your English-speaking cafe. You are NOT paying for this failed policy. WE ARE.

Posted by: pepperjade | May 17, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

The violence has already moved. Phoenix is now second in kidnapping to--wait for it--Mexico City.

Sorry leftists, you are not only dumb but you are blinded by your ideology. In a word, you are pathetic.

Posted by: Azarkhan | May 17, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

The original law didn't mirror Title 8, now it does. No issue there.

Very good points and certainly something to debate. I think there's far too much of the "open border", non-patriotic crap thrown around. I'm for immigration reform but I'm not advocating a flawed law - and it was flawed - in order to get to that point. Noone here has yet come up with any type of reform to fix the issue and Arizona's was in the first place and isn't now - as you said, it's a mirror of what we already have and that's not working.

The fact that you and I don't agree on what reform needs to happen doesn't make either one of us open border supportors; it's a difference of opinion.

If you don't want to pay for education illegal aliens then move. Pretty simple.

Posted by: saintex | May 17, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Azarkhan, any support for that?

Posted by: saintex | May 17, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Uh, yeah, saintex, because it's SO easy to sell a house in Arizona and find antoehr good-paying job. Why should I or any other legal resident surrender to the foreign invasion? And again--what is your solution for securing our border and ending the hemorrhaging of state funds to support ILLEGALS?

Posted by: pepperjade | May 17, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

"If you don't want to pay for education illegal aliens then move. Pretty simple."

So American citizens who were born in America, served in the military, pay taxes every year and on time, and don't break the law, who don't want to "pay for the education of illegal aliens", should move.
That is your take on this?

I have a better idea. Why don't you move to Mexico? And let me amend my last post-you are not only pathetic-you are also a moron.

Posted by: Azarkhan | May 17, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Who is this Azarkhan clown? He really talks tough. It's easy to do that from mommy's basement.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | May 17, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

The Federal Census Dollars should "Boycott Arizona!"

They have passed this Racist Law right at the end of the Census Count of 500,000 Good Hard Working Immigrants.

Once Arizona knows the count is completed they will Deport all of the Immigrants, Fleece the U.S. Census of Seven and a half Billion initial Census Dollars, then collect ten years further of Federal Dollars for Government Services to cover the Immigrants they Deported.

What Arizona is trying to do is Wrong' Racist, Fraudulent, and Evil.

If Arizona dosn't want the Immigrants to live in their State they should not receive a single Census Dollar related to these 500,000 Good, Hard Working "Humans"!

This is simply Wrong!

Ask any child to explain it.

To: Good and Brotherhood, from sea to shining sea.

Posted by: nicholsdaves | May 17, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Who is this koolkat clown? Must be a geek. No one who is really cool has to put it in a name, or even talk about it.

Posted by: Azarkhan | May 17, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Pepper, as I said, noone here has come up with any reform. None of us. It's merely a group of us complaining and not actually putting forth anything. I don't know the answer, nor do you based on your input. What there is is a problem that is represented examples of cartle wars, things that happen edin California, etc. and the solution is to pass a law that was clearly wrong? That law, when it was first written was not a solution to anything that's been discussed in our thread. It was appropriatly changed by the Arizona government and still doesn't fix it.

The move line came off as flippant and I knew it when I typed it. At the same time your issue is with how your government and state is voting to deal with the issue and if you don't like it - and I wouldn't any more than you - then decide you don't one to pay the taxes or get the government to do what you want them to do.

I meet all of Arzakhan's criteria and I pay a load of taxes for tons of things I don't agree with and so I vote - and move if need be - in order to fix that. What Arzakhan can't see is that there are loads of people just like him - all of us - who have things we hate but I wouldn't propose or support a law that is based on how someone looks.

Does it make sense that the law we are discussing doesn't fix any of the issues you have in Arizona? How could it? Let me see your papers won't stop crime and won't eliminate the millions here illegally. I don't have the answers but I do know that when it was attempted at the federal level - in both 2007 and 2008 - the Congress just sat on it's hands and didn't care - both sides.

Posted by: saintex | May 17, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

"The left's game is to change the demographics of the USA so that Whites become a minority. "
no amount of gerrymandering, fence mending will change the demographics in this country more than personal action. Will the govt require minorities have more kids, or when, if at all, the reactionary right returns to power, that they will require the white folks to procreate? Well, other than the WT element in this country, I d say NO.
The one takeaway from this debate is fear. Fear of change, fear of others, fear of post-modernism. Understandably immigration reform is needed, but how, and at what cost?
That is, you d like the Gestapo to begin the process, along with informing on one's neighbors. i d suggest reading about the coming of the Third Reich, to learn how easy and slippery this slope is.

Posted by: sherlockjt | May 17, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

"Ask any child to explain it."

The children, girls actually, on the Highland Park basketball team, who are being made to suffer because of the Stalinist school boards ideological decision, don't agree with you. They just want to play basketball.

But I know, you leftists like to think you speak for everyone, when in reality, you speak for at most 10-15% of the country. Now I'm betting Ms. Palin speaks for far more Americans then that. And you and I will both find out in November which one of us is right, and which one is wrong.

Posted by: Azarkhan | May 17, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I will ignore the fact that the Arizona law mirrors federal law. I will ignore the fact that border patrol officers have the right to stop anyone at anytime and at any place and ask for identification. Finally, I will ignore the fact that immigrants to this country have been required for decades to carry their ids at all times and it is a violation of federal law not to have their ids with them. The one that I do want to call attention to is the fact that the Arizona law, in fact, mirrors law that has been on the book for decades in the State of California. In these circumstances, it would be nice if there was honesty here. The real issue is not what the Arizona law or California law, or for that matter what federal law is or is not, but the fact that there is the possibility that Arizona will enforce immigration law. It would be nice but will never happen if people screaming about Arizona's law got up and spoke honestly that they do not want enforcement of immigration law and want open borders. Whether or not you agree with this position, at least, you could then applaud their honesty.

Posted by: jeffreed | May 17, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

"i d suggest reading about the coming of the Third Reich"

I'd suggest reading about Communist Russia to see what a slippery slope we are on when you trust a leftist. You can bookend by starting with the murderers Lenin and Trotsky, and ending with King Murderer, Stalin.

"Fear of change, fear of others, fear of post-modernism"

Gosh, when you put it like that, I just feel terrible. Well, maybe not. After all, the left has been spewing that garbage for forty years. Yawn. BTW, if you like change so much, why do you fear Sarah Palin?

Posted by: Azarkhan | May 17, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Just because you're not in agreement with the Arizona law doesn't make you a supporter of illegal immigration or open borders.

Personally, I think we should have built a 100-foot wall, starting on 9/12/01. There would have been ZERO opposition to that.

But, it didn't happen. Even after the Anthrax attacks, nothing. Now, why do you think that is?

Simple. Because the Government doesn't decide when immigration law is enforced, Big Business does. Now, who is the party of Big Business?

Arizona's law is bad because it's a bad law, nothing more. And it steps on the toes of the Feds, the people who should be enforcing the laws.

Maybe Arizona should elect some Senators or Congressmen with the stones to stand up to the Feds on behalf of their citizens?

Posted by: steve-2304 | May 17, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Where are your nuts? Palin has more in one finger than your entire being.

Posted by: joesmithdefend | May 17, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse
++++++++++++++++++++

Palin has more ON ONE HAND (that is written on one hand).
Then she goes on and says "DO YOUR JOB MR PRESIDENT"
Rich coming from the HALF GOVERNOR "I Quit" Palin

Posted by: racerdoc | May 17, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

"Now, who is the party of Big Business?"

OK, uhmmm, the Green Party? How am I doing??

Both parties receive funds from all businesses. In fact, wasn't it recently reported that Chairman Obamao received the most from BP?

The Democratic Party is the only party that officially pushes racism--racism against whites. Leftists call this "affirmative action". They call it "affirmative" because they never have to suffer from it, unlike working class whites. But strip the Orwellian language away and it is just racism.

The reverse is the Democrats "racist" policies regarding illegal and legal immigration. Quotas for European immigrants are much lower then quotas for Third World countries. This, along with the Democrats insisting on doing nothing to stop the invasion of this country by Latin Americans, fulfills the Democratic Party's intention to make whites a minority in their own country. And of course, by playing racial identity politics, the Democrats hope to secure for themselves the leadership of the various ethnic groups.

And that is why no one tries to close the border. If the Republicans try, the Democrats call them "racist". (LOL)
Meanwhile the Democrats, already espousing failed leftist politics and economics, do everything they can to create an illegal majority.

After doesn't this so-called "reform" = citizenship = votes?

Posted by: Azarkhan | May 17, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Is this the same Capehart who twisted Joe Stacks quotes in an attempt to disparage the Tea Party. Yes it is. Just remember, anything Capehart says should be double checked. He's a liar and a demagogue.

Posted by: jblast2000 | May 17, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

The verdict is in and the case is closed.

America approves of the Arizona way with a sizable majority. Total enforcement of American law by all means nesessary is what America demands and it is what the feckless politicians must deliver.

Sarah Palin has the courage of her convictions and I applaud her for for having the guts to stand up with the people of Arizona. America is tired of suffering under the assault of this immense army of foreign squatters.

It's time to make it stop!

Posted by: battleground51 | May 17, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

And we all know that the word "comprehensive" is liberal code for AMNESTY. Amnesty is a proven failure as immigration reform. It was tried in 1986 and was a national disaster.

There were about 4,000,000 illegals lined up for amnesty then. Today there are 15,000,000 to 20,000,000 illegals hiding in the shadows waiting for some sucker president and crony congress to deliver amnesty and free America citizenship.

It should never happen again.

Posted by: battleground51 | May 17, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

I love how the Republicans sat mute through 8 YEARS of Bush (and how many of McCain?) doing NOTHING about the border...then FIFTEEN MONTHS into the Obama administration, after he's stopped the downward spiral of Bush economy & unemployment, after he's jumpstarted the economy again, after his stimulus is working, after he saved GM & helped save the US auto industry, after he has had to deal with two preventable energy disasters (coal mine & Gulf oil spill) that have a direct causal link to the corrupt secret Cheney Energy Task Force + Big Oil + Big Coal, after endless breakthrough legislation (like health care reform, financial reform, consumer credit protection, public education reform, college loan reform, equal pay for women, ...) despite a wall of grumpy party of NO GOP lawmakers, after a historic Meeting of 47 Nations in DC for the Nuclear Non-proliferation Summit...on & on & on..

After all this, Sarah Palin, the part-time ex Governor of Alaska WHO QUIT HER JOB REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE OF ALASKA to selfishly make money as a dumb reality TV queen, has the disrespect & audacity to say to the President of the United States "Do Your Job"??!!

As for the piece of Arizona immigration legislation, read it. It is an insult to any American with a modicum of intelligence. An insult to American jurisprudence. It is NOT immigration reform, it doesn't remotely help the border crime issue, it has no substance other than allowing for Arizona police to hunt down and deport 'brown people'. And it's hypocritical - there are fines, criminal convictions & prison for aliens & folks who "transport or harbor" them...but nothing other than a few days' license holdup for the employers who "harbored and employed" them(and probably exploited & underpaid them, and avoided paying federal & state tax, Medicare & Social Security tax).

But then the dumb faux-law was written by FAIR, the right-wing racist group with ties to white supremacist organizations.

Why are these faux-critics accusing President Obama after 15 busy months cleaning up after Bush, but not Bush, after 8 years driving the nation's economy into the ground, and that includes the ex part-time Governor and faux-author, Sarah Palin?

Someone has to say it - because he has brown skin, too.

Posted by: TruthFairy | May 17, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

I live in AZ and have for 30 years. This law won't solve the problem (and certainly isn't illegal or immoral as various like-think pundits are proclaiming). It's real effectiveness -- and intent by the bill's sponsors -- is to create a furor and perception of enforcement and change. And encourage those who won't tolerate the law to leave for more hospitable territory, such as Washington DC, San Francisco, or other bastions.

As others have noted, this state is the kidnapping capital of the US, principally due to smugglers or illegals preying on other illegals.(Or drug trafficking, some of which comes across the border using illegals as mules.) Other states don't have people dying in the desert to reach this country, or regularly dying in accidents from grossly overloaded truck and cars operated by smugglers trying to reach metro areas from border pickup points.

Posted by: WalterGr | May 17, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Arizona police support this law. The FOP with over 6,500 members support it.

TruthFairy, the Republicans may have been mute about Pres. Bush ignoring the border but conservatives gave him hell about it.

I support comprehensive immigration reform. It should include moving hiring illegal aliens to be a Federal felony (use of E-Verify would be a affirmative defense), construction of a border fence similar to that used by the Israelis, require proof of legal U.S. residency to get any Federally-funded social programs (outside of emergency aid), cutting off Federal aid for any government body that sets itself up as a "sanctuary city" and cutting off participation in any Federal insurance or other program for any financial body that grants loans or maintains accounts for anyone who cannot prove legal U.S. residence. That would be comprehensive reform - they can't get jobs, they can't get loans, they can't get services. That covers everything, and that's "comprehensive". That would also greatly improve our immigration system, and improving something through change is "reform".

Posted by: ronwfox | May 17, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

This blurb from Jonathan is priceless. Eric Holder and Janet Napolitano have both admitted that they have yet to read Arizona law. That's right boys and girls, the Attorney General and the Secretary of Homeland Security couldn't find 10 minutes in their day to read a 10 page law that they can't stop talking about or condemning.

And yet Palin, who has no political power, is the problem in Johnathan's barren mental landscape.

Johnathan is the gift that keeps on giving.

Posted by: cocamars | May 17, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

It's very easy to lob rhetorical bombs at Arizona from the safety of the East Coast, where we have an issue but it is not overwhelming. Arizona has a serious and growing safety problem with illegal immigration. The Mexican drug wars have crossed the porous border, and Arizona has had to deal with hundreds of kidnappings, has lost citizens killed in the the gunfire, a spike in robberis and other crime spillnig over the border. Arizona has been asking the federal government for help for years and both the Bush and Obama Administrations have given Arizona the back of its hand. The federal government turning a blind eye to a rapidly deteriorating and dangerous situation is their decision but we should not sit in judgment on Arizona for taking steps to protects its citizens when the federal government will not.

In this environment, "comprehensive immigration reform" is a euphamism for amnesty. While Mexico is having a violent drug trade war, that would be insane. THere is nothing wrong with securing the border while a neighboring country is having such trouble, and spilling it into our country.

Posted by: haunches | May 17, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Can you tell me of any other place in the world where a visitor is not required to have identification and carry it?

This is nonsense.

Bather.

Designed to support a very evil process to subjugate guest workers in a illegal system of captivity.

Posted by: GaryEMasters | May 17, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Hey Capehart, you lazy leftist hack, your whole rationale for dismissing Palin as an idiot is a throwawy line in a Miami Herald article citing a drop in the RATE of violent crime in ALL of Arizona from 6 years ago ? Thats it ? So there really isnt a problem with illegals crossing the border without restraint, with criminal behavior from such individuals, with drug smugglers, with ranchers being harrassed and so on? Just white racists like Palin stirring up the nativist haters? You did the homework but came up dry, eh? Nothing here, let's move on!

God, you're pathetic. But you fit in nicely here , Capehart. You're sufficiently hackish for your job.

Posted by: thimerosal | May 17, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

cturtle1 ~ interesting question.

So, what happened to those Republicans who wanted the importation of vast numbers of people willing to work at less than minimum wage in the hot sun for many hours?

Well, we've been busy ~ GETTING RID OF THEM.

Now, it's the Democrats turn. You've got some chaff over there that could use a good dumping.

Maybe Sister Nancy has some ideas about how to do that ~ some of the stuff she learned at her father's knees as a child ~ disposing of political enemies.

Posted by: muawiyah | May 17, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Read the bill. It mirrors the federal law regarding illegal immigration. What's the purpose of immigration law and border sovereignty if we don't enforce them? We can't afford all the freebies anymore.

Posted by: betspotter | May 17, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

It's difficult to tell what Capehart deems to be a sign of "reflexive know-nothingness." Is it her statement of solidarity with Arizonans who are being victimized by Obama's refusal to do his job that signifies her "know-nothingness". Or is it the fact that Capehart has managed to find one organization opposed to the law that, in his mind, somehow verifies his charge? He appears to take issue with her use of the word "we" so I'll start there.

He is clearly implying that since he found an organization opposed to the law that "we" (meaning the majority of the American people) really don't favor the law. That's certainly an interesting exercise in logical contortion. However, for Mr. Capehart the problem is that there is no empirical data to back him up. In fact the overwhelming majority of Americans support the new law. In Arizona, 70% of the public approves of the law and Governor Brewer's approval rating jumped 16 points after she signed the bill. If Capehart has a point, he's failing miserably at making it. Significantly, Mr. Capehart also fails to point out that the reason the AAPC opposes the law is because they think illegal immigration is better addressed at the federal level, not because they think it will result in racial profiling as Capehart implies.

Posted by: ekorthals | May 17, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

"Legal lunacy ? " Isn't that when you a lawyer like Attorney-General Holder comments on a bill WITHOUT reading it ?

Its pretty sad that Capehart too seems to have NOT read the Arizona Law which clearly parallels the federal law, and instead just reflexively condems it.

Doesn't the Post Editors ever provide some oversight ? Has media journalism sank so low ?

Posted by: pvilso24 | May 17, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

I don't profess to have an answer to this immigration mess or the Socialization of our great Country but we need to find a way to take it back.We will see this Socialist President re-elected and then the powers that will be will do away with term limits.GOD BLESS AMERICA AND SARAH PALIN

Posted by: mostlysunny | May 17, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

No I only tried to post my first comment ever and it was declined.Could it be the comment didn't meet with your approval?

Posted by: mostlysunny | May 17, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Palin, Arizona- who cares?

Posted by: hoser3 | May 17, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

I haven't been allowed to post even one comment Take me off your list

Posted by: mostlysunny | May 17, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Capehart must not have finished listening to the 3 minutes 15 second speech.

Palin's speech on the subject was clearer and more lucid than anything said by Obama or Holder or written by Capehart on this subject.

A majority of Americans.. even without reading the law sense... that the Federal Government has failed Arizona and Americans.

Capehart, of course, like most of the Left, is on the side of lawlessness, and broken BIG Government.

Posted by: pvilso24 | May 17, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

I love it when he writes "Here, Gov. Palin, read the editorial we wrote...".

Oooh, that's certainly convincing. The Post writes an editorial and the world is made aware of the Absolute Truth.

Posted by: capsfan77 | May 17, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Hey Capehart, you have lost this argument. ;0)

Posted by: Kansasgirl | May 17, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Even the tea party is going to have to disown Palin now. Whites are projected to become a minority in the next 30 years, I wonder if Palin would complain about cops pulling her over because of the color of her skin.

Posted by: joshmw | May 17, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Jonathan Capehart's real reason for attacking Palin is
he hates white people!

Posted by: freetagoodholm | May 17, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Ms Palin thinks you can see MEXICO from her house. Or maybe Sarah P will now go home to ALASKA and try to form a bill to keep all the illegal CANADIANS out of ALASKA as we know how White they are and should not be allowed across the border into her sacred ALASKA

Posted by: racerdoc | May 17, 2010 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Well joshmw, I guess you'll have to wait for 30 years. ;0)

Posted by: Kansasgirl | May 17, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

racerdoc, do you have white envy?

Posted by: Kansasgirl | May 17, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin, Mr President Do Your Job !!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51-Ucawn9bg

Is Sarah Palin smart enough to be president??????????????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ6x_TS8Oxs

Posted by: douglasmproduction | May 17, 2010 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Why can't the liberals man up and recognize that Obama screwed up the border and is acting like the child he is about it?

Posted by: skipsailing28
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Thank goodness for you, skip. If you had not posted I would not have realized that difficulties with immigration started on Jan. 20, 2009, rather than being an issue that has dogged the country for decades.

Posted by: lewfournier1 | May 18, 2010 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Skipsailing:
"Why can't the liberals man up and recognize that Obama screwed up the border and is acting like the child he is about it?"

You are part of the problem. Partisan hacks like you and Palin who can not negotiate will come to realize that this inability to negotiate is why nothing gets done.

lewfournier1 put it perfectly. Bush had 8 years to do something and did nothing as did Clinton and Bush before him. This is not a recent problem.

Wake up you moron

Posted by: Chops2 | May 18, 2010 12:35 AM | Report abuse

Palin is a dope, an unthinking redneck who appeals to like minded people.

She won't last more than a few years before her most active supporters realise that her head is empty. Then they will abandon her.

Posted by: robertjames1 | May 18, 2010 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Starting tomorrow morning, the law enforcement officials in every city, town & hamlet in Arizona (or any other state that wants to do it) could start using existing federal & state law (with or without the cooperation of federal officials) to start cracking down on businesses with employees who haven't properly filed tax returns and/or withholding paperwork. Of course it's going to hurt the local economy to put a few (or a bunch) of your local employers out of business. But that's what it's gonna take to stop being a haven for this supposed scourge of illegal immigrants.

If and when I see a little more of that, then I'll believe that the local officials are serious about the problem, and not just begging for a bigger slice of the pie.

Posted by: Bob-S | May 18, 2010 12:50 AM | Report abuse

We need dual immigration and drug reform now.
Do you want to wait and let Palin do it? It is not two problems: it is the same problem.

The real crime is the crime of having bad laws. Enforcement is impossible for either law. The legal issue of immigration is a poorly masked excuse for racists to vent their anger. We simply don't issue but a few visas for unskilled workers.

Posted by: alance | May 18, 2010 1:04 AM | Report abuse

I saw a good example of this technique in action (in a limited way) in Del Rio, TX in the mid-90's. A relative newcomer to town had retired from the local Air Force base, started a couple of businesses which thrived, and ticked off part of the local power structure by being obnoxiously unwilling to go along with some of their plans. Once the fix was in, the destruction was simple.

Employee tax records were checked. Time cards were checked. Building permits were checked. Employee parking was checked. Food permits for the lunch wagon that visited a construction site were checked. Everything, but everything, was checked.

Almost none of this was ever turned in to a case against any particular employee, but the businesses went down for the count in short order.

That's how you target a business that's a haven for illegal immigration. If you keep it up, your town won't have the problem.

Posted by: Bob-S | May 18, 2010 1:15 AM | Report abuse

You are bitter queen. What has Sarah done to you to deserve such viciousness?

You disagree with her fine. Argue with her points but calling her stupid is disgusting. You liberal elites (frankly I don't know how you even got your job) think you are so much better than the rest of us. I didn't see it during the campaign and pulled the lever for Obama in part out concerns for Palin but I see it clearly now and it'd disgusting. Vicious attacks from the Left for everything and anything she does. So she didn't go to Harvard. So she isn't urbane. Does that give you license to call her a dummy?

Oh Capehart just a little reading of your own paper shows the DOJ tacitly supports the AZ law as per its own memo. So who is the fool who doesn't read, well besides Holder and Napolitano?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/17/AR2010051702175.html

Posted by: cleancut77 | May 18, 2010 2:20 AM | Report abuse

BTW, if you like change so much, why do you fear Sarah Palin?

Posted by: Azarkhan | May 17, 2010 4:31 PM
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1) She wants to take the country back to 1775!

2) She is an idiot!

Posted by: joemcnamara1 | May 18, 2010 2:48 AM | Report abuse

While I'm sure Sarah Palin will not agree with anything Democratic -- and be dam proud of it, I don't think many liberals are even listening to Arizona. Now we all know Sarah has had her brains pressed between the pages of the Bible until her brains dried up, but let's not join her by drying up our brains between the pages of our own idealogy. . . . . . . . . . . . . In other words, if someone has a problem with immigration legal or illegal, it doesn't make them a racist.

Many of us happen to believe that America in grossly overpopulated -- right now! The fact that the media won't even acknowledge that this issue even exists, though 40% of America believe it to be an important issue, then that vacuumn is a problem in itself. . . . . . . Heck, the media won't even try to refute it. That kind of attitude by the media will stir-up intense fustrations.

If Arizona's law slows down immigration, then good. I say, in this whole vacuumn of reason on the part of the media sheds no light on the issue at all.

By the way, I understand that the law was changed to accommodate the Arizona Police Chiefs, and that they no longer denounce it.

Posted by: Here2day | May 18, 2010 2:58 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is the sort of ignoramus that gives America(The US) a bad name. She rants and raves saying nothing of significance and the media elevate her to the status usually accorded a serious thinker.No state bodering Canada would think of enacting such a law, because the Canadians skins are whiter than that of European dscended people in the US. Even the mosquitoes are lighter colored. But near our southern border, on lands we stole from Mexico, we try to hassle brown people who come over here to work. The economy of the southwest is built on the backs of Hispanic workers, just as the prosperity of the south until the 1860's was built on the backs of people stolen from Africa. Every hotel, restaurant and small business along the border states, as well as bigger business like farms and factories, depend on immigrant labor. Arizona's punitive, primitive and idiotic law allows merchants and dishonest businesspeople to hire these workers, and get them "raided' the day before pay day. Then they keep their wages, and repeat two weeks later. We should be ashamed that this state is part of the union, and that Sarah Palin is a spokesperson for a party that calls itself the Party of Lincoln, and that its senior senator ran for the office of President of The United States of America.

Posted by: elainedatter2 | May 18, 2010 3:19 AM | Report abuse

First, the Democrats have the majorities in Congress, so why haven't they passed any immigration laws?
They could also have enforced the existing federal laws but haven't. Why?
The only people shooting anything down are Democrats!!
The Arizona law has been modified to accommodate what the police chiefs did not like.
I would suggest that you actually read the law.
Illegal is illegal and the punishment is the punishment.
The illegal immigrants knew this when they crossed the border.
If you think it would be fairer perhaps we should apply the Mexican laws to the illegals!

Posted by: garpur2003 | May 18, 2010 4:30 AM | Report abuse

A whackjob supporting lunacy? What else is news?

Posted by: Gatsby10 | May 18, 2010 4:50 AM | Report abuse

With all the gravitas of Brittany Spears, what do you expect from Caribou Barbie?

Posted by: AIPACiswar | May 18, 2010 6:49 AM | Report abuse

Last I heard the Federal Government includes a bunch of Republicans in the House and Senate. If Obama were to try and institute immigration reform how many of them would go along? Yea, thought so....

Posted by: CHICO13 | May 18, 2010 6:55 AM | Report abuse

We have already been telling the media writers for a long time that Sarah Palin is a know-nothing. Now the media admits it . . . .FINALLY!!!!


Now do something about it. STOP REPORTING ON EVERYTHING SARAH PALIN SAYS, DOES OR (ALLEGEDLY) THINKS. We do not care what she thinks, says or does. We do not want to see her in the newspapers every single day. Her time is long over, she lost the election 1 1/2 years ago. She has absolutely no chance in 2012. MAKE SARAH PALIN HUSH UP AND GO AWAY!!!!

Posted by: momof20yo | May 18, 2010 7:11 AM | Report abuse

Next she'll want us to cry, "We're all white supremacist Huckabee "Christians" now!"

Posted by: areyousaying | May 18, 2010 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Hey Capehart ...have u even read the law or are you like Eric Holder and Ms Kagan ..totally ignorant of the contents of the law but running your big mouth anyway ??

Posted by: JUNGLEJIM123 | May 18, 2010 7:43 AM | Report abuse

Capehart is a Democrat affirmative action schiesskopf who's opinions on anything are merely Democrat Spin leavened with a lies.

Posted by: bruno77 | May 18, 2010 7:43 AM | Report abuse

I am the descendant of immigrants three generations ago. Immigration is the life blood of this country keeping us fresh, flexible and enterprising. Beyond that however is the question of our values as Americans and human beings and how we treat one another. As I read the comments on this article, the seeds of paranoia and demonization that have been planted among us are clear for all to see. The brutality of the words used by several are no less disturbing than other eras which led to genocide or inquisition. Personally, what I hate is the hatred itself. Its like a putrid smell or foul taste in ones mouth. Each person needs to demand civility and compassion from those they interact with so that we can spread a respectful, empowering and inclusive mindset in this country and drown out the bullies and fear mongers.

Posted by: cats2 | May 18, 2010 7:53 AM | Report abuse

Why don't you read the Arizona law Mr. Capehart. Have you done so? I would like to see all the columnists in the Washington Post affirm to us that they have read the Arizona law. Then comment on it. Mr. Capehart, you and Attorney General Holder should get together for lunch and both read the law. It is less than twenty pages. Good reading material for a nice meal. I did it. It was a great use of time.

Posted by: bobbo2 | May 18, 2010 7:53 AM | Report abuse

You expect a woman who needed to go through 5 different c tier cow colleges to get a basic degree in communications, and with less intellectual curiousity of george bush, to actually make sense?

She is unqualified to do anything except read the local sports scores.

Would you trust someone with no education in the field to pour concrete for your steps? Would you trust someone who had gone to school for carpnetry and had never held a steady job to take out your appendix? Why would you or anyone then expect that palin is qualified to spout opinions on politics that have any more depth or meaning or validity than talking to the clerk at the gorcery store?

Posted by: John1263 | May 18, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin lunacy is an oxymoron

Posted by: WESHS49 | May 18, 2010 8:00 AM | Report abuse

That would be true if "we" favored a law so flawed that not even the Arizona Association of Police Chiefs supports it. So Mr.Capefart, just who is "we"? Its not me or the overwhelming number of people I speak with. Close to 70% of the people in this country support the AZ law. Are you speaking on behalf of the elite snobs in DC? It's fine to speak on behalf of a minority position but please don't spin this as something mainstream America supports. The exact opposite is true. There is NO WAY Americans will support amnesty or any other free ride until it can be shone that the borders are secured, our immigration laws are followed and people who overstay their tourist visa's are sent home, not given public housing and 10 years of litigation on our dime. Try that on for size Mr. Capefart.

Posted by: elcigaro1 | May 18, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

It is too bad Palin and her ilk know nothing of the History associated with Hispanics in Arizona and other western states, like the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo:
On February 2, 1848 the Treaty was signed in Guadalupe Hidalgo, a city north of the capital where the Mexican government had fled as U.S. troops advanced. Its provisions called for Mexico to cede 55% of its territory (present-day Arizona, California, New Mexico, and parts of Colorado, Nevada and Utah) in exchange for fifteen million dollars in compensation for war-related damage to Mexican property.

Other provisions stipulated the Texas border at the Rio Grande (Article V), protection for the property and civil rights of Mexican nationals living within the new border (Articles VIII and IX), U.S. promise to police its side of the border (Article XI), and compulsory arbitration of future disputes between the two countries (Article XXI). When the U.S. Senate ratified the treaty in March, it deleted Article X guaranteeing the protection of Mexican land grants. Following the Senate's ratification of the treaty, U.S. troops left Mexico City.

Posted by: billaldridge | May 18, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: skipsailing28-"Why can't the liberals man up and recognize that Obama screwed up the border and is acting like the child he is about it?"
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Uh, Skip, 12million illegals didn't just jump the border in the last 17 months. This has been going on for decades. Until Congress cracks down on the whole concept and actually makes some reform, there is nothing the President can do other than shake his finger at them. Bush failled miserably for the previous 8 years, and Clinton before him, and the elder Bush before that.

Dems want the minority vote and the Repubs are in the back pocket of the very businesses that employ the illegals. Neoither party is going to to do a damn thing


Posted by: schnauzer21 | May 18, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Exacerbating the immigration issue for all of us, particularly for Arizona and other southern, border States, is that our congressional representatives in Washington have not succeeded in stemming illegal immigration; indeed, Congress appears to be only discussing avenues to allow existing illegal immigrants to become “legal”. This will only encourage further unlawful immigration as the last amnesty so painfully demonstrated.

Disallowing an avenue to legal citizenship is unfortunate and sounds utterly cruel; but we should not forget that they broke the law by entering the US unlawfully. Do illegals work hard in this country? Do they contribute more than they take from the body politic? The answers are perhaps yes. This does not alter the hard fact that they made the decision to cross unlawfully with the hope that they could find a way to turn an illegal act into US citizenship. And remember that there are and will continue to be legal immigrants that did follow US law to enter the Untied States. Would allowing those that entered unlawfully to gain citizenship be fair to those that follow the rules?

Further, the separation of thousands of families if and when deported will be heart-rending; but the fact remains that families facing deportation should not fault the US government or the citizens of Arizona, rather they must find fault within themselves. The personal decision of illegals to have children in the US conveys full US citizenship to those children. But those parents knew full well that if they were discovered they would be subject to deportation and face the decision to be deported with or without their children. Did they ever really think they would get caught and face deportation? I think not. This situation is no different than a person caught for any other crime and facing jail time with the prospect of being separated from their families. The fault is theirs and theirs alone.

Since the Federal government has failed to solve the immigration issue, individual states may be required to take action to protect all their citizens. The bottom line is that I cannot blame my neighbors or Arizona for a law that may in fact penalize some of us Latinos more than other US citizens; rather the blame falls to Latinos who have entered the US unlawfully and to our US Congressional representatives who have failed to stem the flow of illegal immigrants.

Posted by: srich1 | May 18, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Capehart,
I am not one to agree with much of what Gov. Palin has to say but I agree with her on this one. With the exception of the racist wing hijacking the message, the Arizona law is justified. This law came about because of the total inaction by both national political parties for several decades. What exactly was Arizona citizens suppose to do?

I tend to agree with much of what President Obama proposes but I totally disagree with him on this issue. A comprehensive immigration law isn't what is needed. Enforcing the freakin law that already exist is!! Democrats do nothing but pander on the issue of immigration because they want to keep the Hispanic vote. Republicans do nothing because they don't want to alienate the business people who are illegally taking advantage of cheap Mexican labor. The illegal aliens wrongly take the self righteous position that they are doing work that Americans won't do. The truth is Americans will do the work but not at the illegal low rates the business owners are getting away with paying illegal aliens.

I fail to see how pulling a vehicle over for violating traffic law or asking a suspicious person for his/her identification that subsequently leads to the discovery of illegal aliens constitute racial profiling or violation of someones due process. I also don't see what the problem is with extending the authority of the police officer to handle issues related to handling illegal immigrants.

I want to make it clear, I do love the Mexican people with the Love of Christ as I do all other races of people but right is right and wrong is wrong. The things the Mexican-American community is expecting from America would not be entertained for one second by the Mexican government coming from Americans.

Posted by: SteelWheel25 | May 18, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Bush had 8 years and did nothing. Would someone please tell this moron to shut up. Somewhere in Alaska a village is missing an idiot. Go home and screw up Alaska, oh thats right you QUIT your job!

Posted by: deadkoz | May 18, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

What a biased one dimensional article. The AZ law is an exact duplicate of the US Law- you know the Immigration Law our government refuses to enforce and rich liberals like Nancy Pelosi ignore and ridicule from their enclave in the "Sanctuary City" of SF Now we have Michael Posner of our State Department apologizing to China about AZ's discriminatory immigration policy. Hasn't anyone in this politically brain dead administration or are they just pandering to Hispanic voters?

Posted by: jkk1943 | May 18, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

I suggest we try the "Native American Solution" one more time, after all it has worked everywhere else we have tried it since we conquered, sorry, I meant to say since we arrived on these fair shores to share this marvelous land with it's original inhabitants. First, we delegitamize them as legal inhabitants and assume ownership of their homelands,then we outlaw their language and their religion, we criminalize the teaching of their cultural heritage, especially to their own children and then we round them up and confine them to designated areas (reservations?) where we can starve them to death. Then we find some fat old white men, and an Alaskan princess or two, to tell them whats best for them. Ah, the good old days are here again. I've got my country back!

Posted by: loneduck | May 18, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

I noted that Russia does not have a problem of non-russian entering the country. As a matter of fact many are leaving. Used to be that the Russina part in Germany built a wall to keep people in.

No doubt if things in United States become real bad we will become like Russia. Until that time people will want to come to United States. The fact of the matter we leave in an uneven world. Be thankful for what United States has. Things are likely to get worse than there is reason to complain. Poeple that come here illegaly should be integrated and not made outlaws. Outlaws we put in jail. We are not likely to hold back the invasion of illegals. The same thing happened to the Roman Empire. Than again there is nolonger a Roman Empire as it is now called Europe.

Posted by: artg | May 18, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

There is no justice in just us.

Posted by: thomp | May 18, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

skipsailing28 please tell me how Mr. Obama screwed up the borders. You guys make all kinds of accusations but you never bother to explain your comments.

Posted by: OHREALLYNOW | May 18, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse


Baa Baa little liberal sheep, be told what to think again by your sheep masters!


Yes the Fed’s should control the borders. Once someone illegally makes it through however (INTO A STATE) then the States have every RIGHT to protect its citizens and control its land.


If prisoners escape from a Federal prison into a State, do liberals then think State law enforcement can’t catch these people?


Catch them and send them back to where they belong!


Posted by: bcarte1 | May 18, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

"Why can't the liberals man up and recognize that Obama screwed up the border and is acting like the child he is about it?"

Funny, it was 2006 when the GOP shot down the last attempt at immigration reform. I don't remember Obama being president then.

Posted by: jimbom | May 18, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Palin is a moron but the fact is, the majority of people understand why AZ put the law in place. We are tired of illegal immigrants ruining our quality of life and do not see any meaningful recourse. Prince William County made an effort, similar to the AZ laws, and the majority of people, legal citizens of course, feel that their quality of life improved substantially. I know people from Phoenix and one guy told me he saw a truck of 100 illegals a mile from his home. He said people are scared to death. He said people are freaked out.

So, yes, comprehensive reform is the answer, as well as secure borders, but we know, because of people more concerned w/political standing than results, this is not going to be done anytime soon.

Bottom line, the majority of people are sick and tired of seeing our country run down by people that are here illegally. Until this is fixed, even lunatics like Palin, will be correct on this one lone issue.

Posted by: jackson641 | May 18, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Even if the Arizona immigration law may ostensibly have some connection with securing the border, as opposed to simply driving all Mexicans out of the state, the new law banning teaching of ethnic studies is aimed at minority Americans and legal immigrants, not mainly illegals.

The new law would make it illegal to teach any kind of ethnic history, including Native American studies, slavery, segregation, civil rights, the Chinese exclusion laws, or even the Holocaust, because all of these subjects involve primarily members of a particular ethnic group. Does Arizona really want to put itself on the side of Ahmadinejad? It looks as if it has already done so.

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Posted by: ttweuofhrdtyutuoy | May 18, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Legal lunacy in Arizona? Ca'mon Mr. Capehart! Why don't you take a leave of absence from that WaPo job and the D.C. beltway and head on out to Arizona. Talk to Arizonans whether or not they feel their Governor's actions on their behalf are as you see them. You might be surprised to see that as far as the good citizens of Arizona are concerned, the only lunacy they see is the inaction of the Obama Administration to provide real leadership on this issue and do something about it. Afterall, what's so insane about upholding federal law?

Posted by: mpwynn | May 18, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

The AZ law duplicates federal law and makes what it is against federal law also against state law (so the state can enforce it as well). It also requires Arizona government agencies to enforce the law or be held accountable (i.e. "no sanctuary cities").

It is very telling that both Attorney General Holder *and* DHS Secretary Napolitano (who was also previously governor of AZ) have not read the law yet seem to find themselves qualified to say how bad it is. One wonders if they have bothered to read the federal laws they are responsible for enforcing.

While the criticism against the Obama administration could also be leveled against many prior administrations, Palin's criticism is dead on in that the federal government needs to do its job and secure the borders. The fingers should be pointing at DC (and both parties), not AZ.

Posted by: sullivanjc | May 18, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

A story line about the Arizona immigration law that I have not seen came to me from a rather conservative acquaintance that lives there.

Arizona's fiscal situation is a mess. The collapse of the housing sector, over-spending and under-taxing have created a situation that rivals that of California. The state's legislature has not stepped up to handle the situation.

Instead, the legistlature has chosen to make illegal immigration the scapegoat for an economic situation that it has only contributed to but certainly did not cause. So the Arizona pols have busied themselves with law-making and demagoguery on that topic instead of making politically uncomformatable spending and taxation decisions.

Posted by: tunkefer | May 18, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is an Idiot--Keith Obermann said it and I agree 100%

Posted by: LDTRPT25 | May 18, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Well you are all about no government and states rights yes? Go secure your own fokking boarder then you hill-jack in bread cumsocks.

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Posted by: veronihilverius | May 18, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

veronihilverius show his IQ.

Posted by: emyers12345 | May 18, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

The whole notion of Securing our Borders is based on the flawed premise that individuals or groups have a legal right to personal property or that there is or should be sanctity for that point of view... a fantasy long-since overturned by Marx and Lenin. Why should Arizonans expect that their tax dollars would be spent on them and their protection? Nonsense. Illegal immigration is not illegal - it is a human right... especially now that they're simply "undocumented" immigrants. That phrase is quite soothing.. or will be until Russian Hackers get around to draining your bank accounts but explain it all away as "undocumented withdrawals" which we all know cannot be a bad thing... they merely did not posses a signed withdrawal slip authorizing them to take your funds... which is not so different from what takes place in AZ. Words have effects, and these words will rear up to bite us if we're not diligent and vigilant.
Good thing that Eric "If I only had a Brain" Holder can't read well - if at all - and need not know what a law is about before rendering legal judgement from on high.
I'm sure y'all will willingly open your hearts and your doors if my friends and I move to your town and demand my right to sit at your table for meals and scan your closet for clothes to keep me warm and stylin... since the rule of law and private or state property rights have been thrown overboard and all that.
Perhaps if you rail at Palin a bit more you won't hear that sucking sound of taxpayer $$$ going down the drain... I would have thought it was incumbent on each home nation to take care of its citizens, and not export the problem or their least well-off people for us to take care of. I know I'm making a mountain of a molehill since local communities, schools and so on have plenty of money to work with... there is no scarcity of funds or important projects or to provide police forces equal to the task of keeping communities safe and crime free, so what has been diverted to this problem - not of our making - shouldn't be brought up, eh?
When it is no longer safe to go about your community because of growing numbers of lawless and unlawful 'residents', you'll wake up and smell the coffee - and the cordite - if those who've overrun your town are armed and dangerous like they are in AZ.

Posted by: dbsinOakRidge | May 18, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

For those who would like to lay the blame for all the frustration about border security and illegal immigration on the Obama administration, please consider this:

1. Illegal entry into the U.S. across the Mexican border *declined* to its lowest rate in the last 10 years last year after Obama took office.

2. This year, the federal government is on track to deport between 360,000 and 400,000 illegals, a new record for any administration.

3. This administration is finally taking a stronger line against one of the root causes of illegal immigration by not only prosecuting employers who aid and abet illegals but by moving to seize their property (in San Diego).

Attempting to claim that the administration isn't interested or engaged in enforcing current law is, in a word, disingenuous.

Posted by: Gallenod | May 18, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Dear media, I'll make you a deal. You stop reporting on this idiot and I'll stop pointing out that she's an idiot.

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | May 18, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

emyers12345... shows her inability to understand or comprehend jest, sarcasm and or the basic concept of trolling a forum.

Since my IQ hovers somewhere between genius and Jesus... I would reevaluate my prior statement were I you. I just wish my IQ matched my annual salary which... once again; has a very high statistical probability of being superior to yours... like everything else concerning my beautiful self.

Posted by: veronihilverius | May 18, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Eric Holder admits he has not read the bill.
Janet Napalotano admits she has not read the bill.

I wonder if Mr. Capehart has read the bill. His writing suggests not.

Posted by: kitchendragon50 | May 18, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Capehart,

Do you realize who you are arguing with?
"Never pick a fight with an idiot. They'll simply bring you down to their level, then win by experience."

Just ignore the annoying buzz that is Palin's opinion.

Posted by: sux123 | May 18, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

All this talk of violence perpetrated by illegal aliens lacks one vital fact. I doubt any of you realize that it is almost impossible to buy a gun in Mexico. They all come from the good ole US of A!

This from The Arizona Republic by Sean Holstege, May. 7, 2008

"Federal agents swooped down on a north Phoenix gun store Tuesday in the biggest weapons bust in years, highlighting Arizona's major role as an arms conduit to violent drug cartels in Mexico."

Nothing will change with the unconstitutional law in Arizona. It doesn't address gun control.

Posted by: mpmck | May 18, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Capehart likes to describe the Arizona law as "legal lunacy" and Sarah palin as demonstrating "know-nothingness".

How would he describe the mischaracterizations on "profiling" - banned by the law - by former Harvard Law Professor Obama ?

How would he describe the reasoned opinion by the Attorney -General who actually admitted he hadn't even read the law ? Maybe "know-nothingness" ?

Posted by: pvilso24 | May 18, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Your thinking is a little fuzzy.Don't confuse the issue,illegal immigration,You and many others apparently don't know the differrence between Legal and Illegal.There seems to be more religion and emotions in this issue than the use of logic.In case you don't know we have such a thing as civil law,which our Government of the stupid people caters to and ignores for political reasons.Arizona is only doing what our so called government of the people ignores.

Posted by: ctharwick | May 18, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I listen to the law enforcement in Arizona, not Sarah Palin. Thier position is that only 15% of the crime in Arizona comes from immigrants; they don't want that law. This is hysteria fanned by people like Palin, Beck, Limbaugh in order to increase thier financial take from the gullible following. Law enforcement in Arizona has the right priorities; don't waste thier resources on a witch hunt and let them fight crime.

Posted by: withersb | May 18, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I suggest the anti-American/Arizona law clowns check out Borderland Beat, one of best sites I've seen that covers the cartel wars in Mexico. If you really think that murder and mayhem in Mexico will not spill over into the US or Arizona, then you are dumber than I think you are. And I think you leftists are extremely dumb.
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They are only crossing to border to buy assault rifles and sell drugs because all Arizonians care about is making sure everyone has a gun and getting high.

Posted by: sux123 | May 18, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

$arah Palin supports whatever she thinks her frothy-mouthed base wants to hear in order to get them to donate to her bank account. She's a con artist, a carnival act.

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | May 18, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

This law demands, on pain of legal jeopardy, that Arizona law enforcement stop persons where there is a reasonable suspicion that they are illegal. Someone tell me how an illegal immigrant's looks differ from a legal immigrant or a US citizen. That's where this law is totally unenforceable. When there was a bill before Congress to do something about immigration in a more comprehensive way, it was the Repubs that shouted down everyone, including the now flip flopping John McCain, and killed the bill. Now they want to make political hay/theatre out of the fact that there is not federal action on the matter.
"skipsailing" said "Obama screwed up the borders". What does that mean?!? That statement is very Palin-ish. It makes absolutely no sense. Just like Sarah.

Posted by: foyelady | May 18, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like you're about as informed as our Socialist President and his reactionary, lying Attorney General.
Try having an originary thought, you moron, instead of repeating all the lib- dem talking points and passing it off as your "learned opinion". You related to Jason Blair, maybe??

Posted by: Shrimper | May 18, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Gallenod's recitation of the actual facts about immigration enforcement, showing that Obama's Department of Homeland Security, led by a former Arizona governor who herself signed a tough immigration law targeting employers during her term, is taking a very hard line on illegal immigration, is likely to get lost in all of the noise and misinformation about immigration.

A lot of this is being posted by people who just don't want any dark-skinned, Spanish-speaking people in this country, even if they were born here or have legal status (as millions of them do). The attitude of the Sarah Palins, Tom Tancredos and JD Hayworths of America is simple:

Are Mexicans illegal? Kick 'em out. Are they legal? Then cut off all immigration. Were they born here? Then change the Constitution to take away their American citizenship. The battle is not about illegal immigration. It is whether America will be a country for white Christians only, where no one else need apply to come to or live here. Is that the kind of America that the decent, tolerant majority of our citizens want this country to become?

Posted by: algasema1 | May 18, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

The "lunacy" here is not the AZ law, but that the federal government simply refuses to do anything about our porous borders. There is more lunacy in the writings of fools like Capehart who think we should turn a blind eye so we don't offend people.

As a very practical matter, the police simply cannot be bothered to roust "latino looking" immigrants in AZ because they simply do not have the time, nor would AZ have the space to lock them up. What would happen, however, is that those illegals who get locked up would in fact be detained if they were discovered to be illegal. This is a bad thing to lock up people who have broken at least two laws (1) whatever they were arrested for and (2) for being in the country illegally.

There has been lots of talk on TV about the fact that among the Obamanistas who have been called on to testify on this issue, it would seem that few of them have read the law, and this admission was made both by Janet Napolitano and Eric Holder. Don't believe for a minute that they haven't read the law. What they haven't figured out is how they want to refute it on a coordinated basis. A feeling of personal embarassment -- that most of us in the business world would have -- over failing to read a law that would seem to be a minimal requirement of our job simply doesn't exist among members of the Obamanistas. They have an agenda, and any price is willingly endured to further that agenda.

If you believe these people haven't read the bill, you believe Bernie Madoff acted alone.

Posted by: buggerianpaisley1 | May 18, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Jon,

Come on,….really?

Something tells me that you, yourself, have not yet read the Arizona law. That’s not surprising but it may bring you some comfort to know that you’re definitely not alone and in very good company. Holder, Napolitano and even the bow ties at Foggy Bottom seem to be willfully oblivious as to what the law really enforces.

However, it’s that deliberate ignorance that’s so disingenuous and it allows you and others to twist this issue and morph it into something that it’s not. Jon, read the law.

With regard to Sarah Palin, where you may see reflexiveness many others and I see genuine American zeal. Love her or hate her, Sarah Palin has a booming American message and she imparts that unvarnished message with a Pacific Northwest style of “keeping it real”. Keeping it real means to keep it American. The elites and the liberal media can’t relate to her but they find her enigmatic. (Even you took the time to write about her in between cappuccinos.)
Why enigmatic, you might ask? Because Sarah Palin actually possesses the fortitude to stand for something and she’s willing to lay it all on the line and out in the open for all to see. Blunt as her message may be to some at times, it’s real and it’s reflects what MOST Americans are feeling and thinking.

Palin’s calling out of President Obama to do his job is justified. Totally granted, President Bush long ago dropped the ball on immigration reform and also the full enforcement of our immigration laws. Obviously, President Bush is no longer the U.S. President, Barack Obama is and as the U.S. President he can not undermine the effort to deal with this national security issue and he can ill afford to stand on the side lines with regard to this issue. Parenthetically, amnesty is not a viable solution.

With regard to the leadership of Arizona’s law enforcement community, they are showing reluctance now because the Arizona law compels them to enforce already existing federal laws and it puts them in an almost untenable position. Even though the law is just, Arizona Law enforcement officers know they’ll now be under a huge civil liberties microscope and they have zero room for error. That is an unenviable position to be in for any one, most of all the already difficult work of law enforcement.

Jon instead of citing articles written by Miami based reporters, put down the cappuccino, strap on a pair of boots and get out on the Arizona/Mexico border.
The crime will be there for you to see and it will be in your face. The proper enforcement of Arizona’s new law will help to secure our borders, somewhat. However as long as our political leaders undermine effective solutions to securing our borders, crime will increase and our citizens will pay the price.

Posted by: BRIANKRUTTER | May 18, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Capehart follows that nasty leftist tactic of personal smear in demeaning Palin.You don`t have to agree with anything she represents but to continue the assault on her "smarts" says more about the author`s IQ than Palin`s.Sarah Palin`s impact and achievement dwarfs anything that Capehart has accomplished based on any fair measurement that I can find.

Posted by: bowspray | May 18, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

If Mr. President (this one and the three before him) would have been doing their job and enforcing the laws already on the books regarding immigration, then Arizona would not have had to write the law.

When ICE refuses to pick up illegals who have committed crimes within the Federal Guidelines, Arizona (and all of us) pick up the tab to house, feed and "rehabilitate" non-citizen criminals. Not to mention the Arizona Hospitals treating illegal immigrants for chronic diseases like kidney failure requiring dialysis at 1/4 of their annual budget and on the taxpayer's dime.

When the Federal Government actually goes after the companies that hire illegals like they were supposed to do after Amnesty was granted under Ronald Reagan (hey, he was a Republican wasn't he?) then the states won't have to write laws that MIRROR the Federal Laws that the Federals won't enforce.

A rancher killed because drugs were confiscated on his property which is used by the illegals as a pathway; a Deputy Sheriff was shot in the stomach; you can spout your "crime has gone down" mantra long and loud but more than 60% of Americans don't agree with you.

In Florida, we're having to bring our Birth Certificates, Marriage License or other name change proof, 2 proofs of residence with our names on them to get our Drivers Licenses - and we have to carry them by law in every state in the union - documented aliens have nothing to fear if 1) they don't commit a crime and 2) if they have their DL or their green card on them - as required by the LAW, Sir.

Everyone who doesn't agree with you is not a racist, not uninformed, and not some right wing extremist - and taking your kids to the Ice Cream Shop won't end you up in jail - Go after the Feds where the problem really is........instead of Arizona and Sarah Palin.

Posted by: LMW6 | May 18, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Hey she kept us safe from the invading Ruskies didn't she - she could see them from her house. But not a one got through. Immagration reform we can believe in, you betcha!

Posted by: kparc | May 18, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Hey she kept us safe from the invading Ruskies didn't she - she could see them from her house. But not a one got through. Immagration reform we can believe in, you betcha!

Posted by: kparc | May 18, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: veronihilverius "Since my IQ hovers somewhere between genius and Jesus... I would reevaluate my prior statement were I you. I just wish my IQ matched my annual salary which... once again; has a very high statistical probability of being superior to yours... like everything else concerning my beautiful self."

Obamya - You're not fooling anyone. Stop with the 'Veronihilverius' pseudonym, and sign your name proudly.

Posted by: IGotAComment | May 18, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

LMW6,

You're trying to refute the fact that violent crime is down in AZ by citing ONE murder? You obviosly don't know how statistics work do you? As for the Feds not doing their part, I refer you to Gallenod's comments above:

1. Illegal entry into the U.S. across the Mexican border *declined* to its lowest rate in the last 10 years last year after Obama took office.

2. This year, the federal government is on track to deport between 360,000 and 400,000 illegals, a new record for any administration.

3. This administration is finally taking a stronger line against one of the root causes of illegal immigration by not only prosecuting employers who aid and abet illegals but by moving to seize their property (in San Diego).

As for the AZ law, the issue is NOT about how immigrants,documented or otherwise, will be treated. It's about Hispanic Americans who have every legal right to be here being hassled just because they fit the description of what some cop thinks an illegal immigrant looks like.

Posted by: dcdude1 | May 18, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I have a suggestion. I note at the end of Capehart’s opinion, you have a small icon indicating “Like” as in ‘I agree with the writer.’ Maybe you could add a “Dislike” icon ... or would that be pushing ‘Honesty’ to far. BTW, do you know the what the term ‘honesty’ means and how it applies journalism? I hadn’t seen much honesty in journalism from y’all so I was just wondering ... Thanks for the time.

Posted by: IGotAComment | May 18, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

The lefties writing here seem to really savor ripping on Palin.

Ironically, few, if any of you, are as smart as she is, and fewer still are as accomplished. It's clear from the strident nonsense the left manifests here, that being unable to counter her message, your only recourse is to denigrate her.

Those of you who continue to put their heads in the sand while denying Obama's ineptitude and ripping on Palin are a sorry lot.

Posted by: kflb | May 18, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

As much as it pains me to agree with Sarah Palin on anything, in this case she's right. (ARGH!!!, that really hurt!)

Palin's cheery "We're all Arizonans now" remark can be translated as:

"We're all Arizonans now, except Arizonans who are caught dealing drugs, speak Spanish and appear to be illegal immigrants!

We're all Arizonans now, except the ones caught driving 50 miles per hour over the speed limit and appear to be illegal immigrants.

We're all Arizonans now, as long as you're not breaking any laws, and don't appear to be illegal immigrants.

By the way, you're not getting in the military if you were brought here illegally at age 2 and are now perhaps graduating from high school, so anyone who thinks that person is joining the war effort is ignorant of the U.S. Military.

What part of, "If you're caught breaking the law, we're going to check your citizenship/immigration status" do you have a problem with? Arizona is NOT going to be stopping every hispanic, asian, black, green, or purple-looking person to force them to provide papers UNLESS they are caught breaking a law already. They should check the immigration status of EVERYONE if they are under investigation for committing a crime!

Posted by: mhoust | May 18, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

And from Colorlines: http://www.colorlines.com/article.php?ID=693&p=2
BTW, Colorlines doesn’t have a comment area that I could find. I guess they’ve just got their opinion.

“almost 100,000—the number of people deported as a result of criminal convictions last year—and we’re talking about tearing communities to shreds.” How can getting rid of criminals tear communities to shreds? Oh, the illegals families, you say. Well, send the families back with the criminal then. And AZ crime is down! Could it be because of the 100K that have been deported. That’s taken care of. Next question or problem.

‘Colorlines’ goes on to say “But the trend likely foreshadows a future in which more and more immigrants, regardless of status, are detained and deported because of interactions with cops and courts.” Doesn’t this make sense? You do the crime and you get deported. Again I say, doesn’t this make sense. And these people must be stupid! All they have to do is not break the law and they’re safe, no deportation. Isn’t that the way we’re supposed to be - law-abiding. Did I miss something?

And dcdude1 and foyelady. How many times does this need to be said? Here it is one more time just for you: Law enforcement needs to have a reason, like someone breaking a law, to ask for identification. I'm half Mexican and always carry ID and you probably do also though you'll not admit it. My wife is a legal alien with her 'green card, and she has ID on her all the time. It is the police who are in danger here, no her or myself because WE ARE LAW-ABIDING.

Be sure about one thing: Obama has a future plan here. He carefully tries to manipulate everything in his leftist agenda favor, which he should do. After all he is a politician. He can say, 'I deported all the criminals so let's make everyone else a citizen. it's coming, just like the sun will set tonight and come up tomorrow.

Posted by: IGotAComment | May 18, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

"Palin is a blowhard...
...but you're giving her a run for her money.
Posted by: Measured | May 17, 2010 3:38 PM"

"Measured'??? A suggestion here. I think "Blowhard," or maybe "Blowlittle" would be a better screen name. Understand, nothing personal, just an observation on your input.

Posted by: IGotAComment | May 18, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

"Law enforcement needs to have a reason, like someone breaking a law, to ask for identification."

First of all, let’s remember what the bill said when it was originally enacted. When it was first signed into law, the bill would have allowed police to question someone’s status in the course of mere “lawful contact,” meaning that if someone called 911 to report a violent crime, the cops would have been REQUIRED to hassle him about his immigration status if the cop had reason to suspect he was illegal. An earlier version of the bill would have also allowed the use of race as a factor in establishing reasonable suspicion, and would have stipulated that among the crimes that a cop could use as an excuse to stop someone was traspassing, which the bill defined as being “present on any public or private land in this state” while lacking authorization to be in the United States. So basically, just standing on Arizona soil while ‘acting illegal’ would have been sufficient grounds for getting hassled.

But let’s look at the law as it now stands. As currently written, the law still allows police to question an individual’s immigration status while investigating violations or mere local civil ordinances. So just having your grass too tall or spitting on the sidewalk are sufficient grounds for someone to get hassled. It's a thinly veiled attempt to allow cops to profile against poor Latinos under the flimsiest of excuses.

Posted by: dcdude1 | May 18, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

"Why can't the liberals man up and recognize that Obama screwed up the border and is acting like the child he is about it? Posted by: skipsailing28 "

Let's see. The current border policy is the unammended program Bush and his majorities in both houses cobbled together. Obama has only begun to address immigration policy and right now it is in the pre committee stages of planning.

Of course, there will come a time when Obama begins proposing costly additions to the current kluge of a border control policy, and then will come the arguments over how to pay for it.

At that point, as paying for it will almost certainly involve adding to taxes or adding to the deficit, Sarah and her most scrutiatinly thoughtful adherents will be dead set against anything Obama proposes.

Go Sarah, you will make a wonderful candidate for replacing Goldwater as the most thoroughly thumped Republican Presidential candidate in history.

Posted by: ceflynline | May 18, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Another totally false statement that appears in many of the posts on this article is that the Arizona law "mirrors" or "tracks" federal immigration law. The truth is that the Arizona law seeks to overturn or at least avoid complying with federal law.

Immigration and Nationality Act Section 287(g) gives state and local officials the power to enforce the federal immigration laws only when specifically delegated to do so by the Department of Homeland Security. The reason is obvious - the immigration laws are so complex that local officials won't have a clue as to whether someone's papers are the right ones or not.

Calling up the DHS to get an answer is absurd. This could take months, years, or forever. Meanwhile, the Latino in question (because no other group is the real target of this law) could be rotting in jail all that time, even if the person is really a legal immigrant or a US citizen.

Federal law at least provides that decisions about who is here legally and who is not will be made by trained officers who are supposed to know what they are doing. The Arizona law provides the opposite. It is nothing more than a license for local officials to engage in anti-Latino witch hunts, free from any federal supervision.

Posted by: algasema1 | May 18, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Lots of posts about how dumb is Palin...but just read that Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano like Attorney General Holder... has NOT read the law.

Despite that fact, both are out there criticizing it.

These are two of Obama's TOP adminstrators charged with law enforcement and citizen protection... and what are they doing ?

Critizing a state law they HAVE NOT read !

How dumb is that ?

Posted by: pvilso24 | May 18, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

There have been many good and bad points raised in this discussion. In my humble opinion, what we (the United States) need is simply a national identity card. When we go to another country, they require us to show our passports and/or visas. What is wrong with that? It would solve all our problems.

Posted by: Lucysdaughter | May 18, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

to all the DIMocRAT extremists; illegal aliens;brainless fools & slimy, shyster lawyers (who PREY UPON the illegals),

it's time & past time for all of you to figure out that 70+% of US citizens & the VAST majority of LAWFUL aliens want the border SEALED & the ILLEGALS to go home to their own countries.

fyi, my muched beloved adopted daughter is a former national of Mexico (a US citizen since 07/05/09) and she LAUGHS AT the STUPIDITY of those who think that the borders should NOT be sealed against the criminals that are flooding our nation.
NOBODY says "WETBACK" flatter than she does.
(given her choice, those who hire ILLEGALS would be imprisoned for LONG sentences, without pardon, excuses, plea bargains or parole AND the ILLEGALS would be deported & forever barred from re-entry; those ILLEGALS, who return after being deported, would also be imprisoned.)

furthermore, the VAST majority of NEW CITIZENS, feel just like my daughter & deeply resent/despise the ILLEGALS & simply want them GONE, until/unless they LEAVE the USA & return here LAWFULLY!

yours, TN46

Posted by: texasnative46 | May 19, 2010 12:48 AM | Report abuse

pvilso24 wants to know why Napolitano and Holder allegedly haven't read the Arizona Legal Lunacy Law. The answer has to be that their boss, Barack Obama, has told them to shut up about it. The president and whatever fools whose bad advice he is taking to downplay immigration reform are obviously unwilling to stand up against the discrimination, injustice and police state tactics in this law. Obviously he is trying to get people like texasnative46, who seems to think that all brown-skinned immigrants are criminals, to vote for him.

But Obama has no chance of winning the hate vote, because the types of extremists who passed the Arizona law think that he is illegal alien #1. For them, Hawaii is not even part of America because it doesn't have enough white people.

The fact that Obama deported nearly 400,000 unauthorized immigrants last year, a record, and investigated 25,000 employers of H-1B legal immigrants, five times as many as Bush, is not enough for people who cannot stand the idea of there being a single person of Mexican ancestry, or other brown-skinned immigrant, legal or illegal, left in this great nation of (white) immigrants. They will never vote for him, no matter how many people he kicks out of the country.

But what Obama, Holder and Napolitano are doing a great job of is losing the votes of Latino and Asian US citizens, who are among our fastest growing demographic groups. Come November, Obama will have good reason to wish that someone in his anti-immigrant administration had not only read Arizona's unconstitutional and un-American hate law, but actually filed suit against it, instead of leaving it to others with more principles and guts to do so.

Posted by: algasema1 | May 19, 2010 6:20 AM | Report abuse

I find it amazing that a two-bit left wing journalist-wannabe (who also has obviously not read the Arizona law) can call a person who worked her way up to governor stupid. Why don't you just come out and tell everyone the truth, you hate and fear her because she has a common-sense conservative approach to government?

Posted by: reallymaddog | May 21, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Any of you idiots know that Mexico racially profiles AND demands that you have your papers on you at ALL times?

I know Capeheart is a hopelessly ignorant moron but maybe the rest of you could stand some education.

I am sick and tired of the open border jerks. The same people who are open borders are the ones on welfare and never seem to understand that money just isn't printed.

Posted by: drjohn3 | May 21, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

sarah paylin, the hate that keeps giving

the Democrats must have been good for santa to deliver a perfect idiot like her to represent the republican party

somebody who quit her job as governor because the job was too hard should not tell anybody to "do your job"

the real joke is that Alaskans are glad that sarah isn't "doing her job"

Posted by: nada85484 | May 22, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

It is clear to me that Capehart suffers from a "barren mental landscape." I wonder what else Bill Maher tells him to think. And don't try to mask what is really behind liberal catch phrases like "comprehensive." Amnesty will reward criminals and encourage millions more to walk right in.

I have lived in Arizona for 40 years. One third of our population is Latino and the legal ones are as much Arizonan as I am. If we were the racist monsters as the media portray us, why would Latinos stay?

We have illegals commiting crimes on a daily basis. They kill cops, steal cars, attack girls, litter and damage our desert environment, and are a major financial drain on ALL of the taxpayers of Arizona, Latino and otherwise.

Three weeks ago a Pinal county sheriff was shot by AK-47 wielding drug runners from Mexico. In the ensuing dragnet ONE HUNDRED illegal aliens were rounded up in the desert. ONE HUNDRED people who had absolutely NO business being there.

Do you want to educate, medicate and incarcerate them, Capehart? GOOD! Come get them. Otherwise, shut the hell up.

Posted by: AhwatukeeT | May 22, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

There are so many stupidities here in the Palin party. People lying about the undocumented committing crime when they're one of the most law-abiding groups in the U.S. People muddying the issue by deliberately conflating undocumented laborers with drug runners. People purposefully ignoring that the undocumented pay far more money in taxes, particularly at the state and local level, than they receive in turn for services.

And in particular, people who ignore that the real problem isn't the laborers, but the businesses who hire them. It's easy to just hate on the Mexicans; it's much harder to understand what's really going on. Particularly for ignorant ranters like AhwatukeeT, who are part of the problem.

Posted by: edta | May 22, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Jonathan,

It is not helpful to the debate for you to call Sarah Palin a reflexive know-nothing and a barren mental landscape. Can't you debate the merits and drop the name-calling?

In fact, the Federal Government has failed to secure the border, so Sarah Palin is correct in noting that. Israel can control their border with comprehensive fence? Why can't we? Partly because we have not completed the fence, especially in Arizona.

Excuse me if I don't accept as gospel the pronouncements of the Association of Police Chiefs and the Washington Post editorial board.

You mention that Sarah Palin needs to do some reading up on the issue while you mention the dangers of racial profiling. Racial profiling is specifically prohibited by the law. Have you and the editorial board read the law? You are the one who needs a reading up on the issue.

Comprehensive immigration? You mean amnesty for those who broke the law---why can't you say what it is instead of using code words. Why is that amnesty is the priority instead of the safety of the citizens of Arizona which doesn't exist on your list of concerns? 70% of Arizonans favor the law because they have read it and are interested in their safety.

Those who don't read the law and make up things that the law says like you do may not be know-nothings but they are certainly ill-informed.

Posted by: kinny_mcquade | May 23, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

I would rather be considered mentally barren by those of your ilk than morally barren, as you clearly are. Exactly whom do you think you're kidding when you talk about immigration "reform" at the Federal level? Have the balls to call it for what it is: Amnesty. Oh no. Can't do that. You know that the instant you do that, the majority of Americans will shoot it down, as well they should. Jon, you're not only morally barren, but a coward as well.

Posted by: moviola | May 24, 2010 7:06 AM | Report abuse

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