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Alvin Greene raises red flags

The good news out of South Carolina, I guess, is that Alvin Greene has zero chance of becoming the next senator. Greene is the Democratic nominee from nowhere, with nothing to say. If I were a South Carolinian, which is about as improbable as Greene’s primary victory on Tuesday, I would feel compelled to vote in the fall for Jim DeMint, the Republican incumbent, the most conservative senator around.

If this sounds extreme -- and I grant you, even considering an imaginary vote for DeMint is a pretty extreme step -- read Manuel Roig-Franzia’s disturbing interview with this cipher, or watch Greene’s interview with Keith Olbermann. As Miss Clavel says in Madeline: “Something is not right.” In the interviews, Greene seems slow and off. As Jonathan Capehart noted on this blog, Greene is facing a felony obscenity charge for allegedly showing pornography to a college student. ("I'm on the not-guilty side of things," Greene says.) He was discharged from the military under circumstances that he describes as “involuntary.” He did no campaigning; he has no staff.

How does a man who qualifies for a public defender to represent him on the obscenity charge come up with the $10,440 needed to register his candidacy? (The check had Alvin M. Greene for Senate hand-written across the top.) Who paid for the “satin green” flyers that Greene was so proud of in his interview with Roig-Franzia? Where are his campaign spending reports? None appear to be on file with the Federal Election Commission.

You don’t have to be paranoid to suspect dirty tricks at work here. House Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.), demanding an investigation, recalled the 1990 case of GOP operative Rod Shealy, who recruited an unemployed African American fisherman facing felony charges to run in the Republican primary, in order to boost white turnout in a different race. “Someone’s plant,” Clyburn said of Greene. A DeMint spokesman called that assertion “ridiculous.” Given the sordid history of politics in the state and the serious questions about Greene, “troubling” might be a better word. A serious investigation is warranted. DeMint, my candidate, ought to be leading the calls for it.

By Ruth Marcus  | June 11, 2010; 12:54 PM ET
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But in the end Ruth - who then voted for him?......

Posted by: short1 | June 11, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Ruth. I'd vote for Satan himself rather than vote for DeMint, the crack pot.

Posted by: nanmccarthy | June 11, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

If Greene is an idiot, what does it say about those who voted for him? They were democrats, not Republicans. Republicans had no reason to crossover to vote for the weaker candidate. Neither democrat had a prayer of beating Demint in the general election. Jim Demint is a great senator, and he will have no trouble in November. I would love to see him become president. As for voting for Satan, democrats have already done that when they voted for Obama.

Posted by: groovercg | June 11, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Shorty,

South Carolina has open primaries - which means that you don't have to declare your party affiliation and can vote for anyone, in any party.

So it wasn't necessarily the Dems who voted for this dope. Just something to consider.

Posted by: ChicagoAsh | June 11, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

In the primary in SC, you have to declare which party primary you are participating in. You then can vote for only those in that party. You can't vote for a Republican for governor and a democrat for senator.

Posted by: groovercg | June 11, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I bet he would do a better job than Obama.

Posted by: farmsnorton | June 11, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Since when is Clyburn concerned about "rules?"

This is the same clown who sat before the nation on TV and said:

"What rules? We don't got no rules. We make them up as we go along."

Every state has their own "dunces" up in D.C. but S. Carolina has to rank right up there near the top when they send people like Clyburn to D.C.

Term limits for all these fools.

Posted by: dharper2 | June 11, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

groovercg, the interview with Manuel Roig-Franzia that Ruth linked to says "There's no way to know whether large numbers of Republicans crossed over to vote for the weaker of the Democrats, because voters don't register by party in South Carolina's open primary system."

Posted by: mwms | June 11, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

" Alvin Greene has zero chance of becoming the next senator. "

Don't jump to conclusions so quickly.
Remember, this is South Carolina.

Heck, plant or not, I'd vote for Greene before Demint any-day.

Funny thing is, if elected, he'd be the brightest person in South Carolina political office.

Posted by: jessie74 | June 11, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Dear Ms. Marcus: Since you crticized Carly Fiorena in your column yesterday, I expected you to criticize Jerry Brown for his comments (drawing analogies to Nazi propaganda). But, I assume that Jerry Brown gets a pass from you since he is a democrat.

Posted by: philly3 | June 11, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I would still vote for Greene over Jim DeMint-ed. A moron is better than a hateful racist any day of the week.

Posted by: PepperDr | June 11, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Well, well, well I do declare, I think this man ought to run for President...http://www.cafepress.com/AlvinGreene

Posted by: eldridgecleever | June 11, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

sorry groover, but satan isn't in the white house now. he was in their for 8 years prior to the most fabulous president in history who currently occupies the position. His name was dick cheney. he bears the mark of the beast, believe me. what do you think all of those "heart attacks" were about? efforts to conceal the three sixes. oh, and mostly republican genuises voted for the worst adminisrtation in the history of the republic, and get this - they did it twice. you'll bow down before Obamas The Great Ones image before it's over. Trust me.

Posted by: red2million | June 11, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Something's not right, as the author says, but why would the Republicans use a "plant" in a race that they were heavy favorites to win anyway?

It's not as if DeMint would be in any particular danger even if this guy hadn't won.

I don't get it. Everything about this seems fishy, but I can think of no particularly great reason as to why someone would be so concerned with manipulating the outcome of this race.

Posted by: HJHuney | June 11, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Would you rather have a blank seat in the Senate, or one occupied by someone who actively ravages modern civilization?

Posted by: Heimdall | June 11, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Get a clue, Ruth. Jim Demint is a good man - Alvin Greene is a pathetic idiot and loser. You and your left-wing looney fringe readers will never "get it."

Posted by: bioresource2 | June 11, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Look, as a North Carolinian, I despise South Carolina. But your little dig at them in the opening paragraph comes off as incredibly snide and (fine I'll say it) elitist. Your argument would be better served without sarcastic one-offs.

Posted by: gtrain82 | June 11, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

groovercg, Obama "is Satan"? Really? Seriously? Grow up.

Posted by: SouthernerInDC | June 11, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Marcus is right. An African American working outside the Democratic Party does not have the means to run his own campaign or convince voters to vote for him. This is clearly a Republican conspiracy which includes widespread disenfranchisement of African Americans, who would never have voted for African American candidate, money laundering by the fascist corporate behemoth to put this man into office. Congressman Clyburn is the type of African American we need, someone who speaks for the people, who is part of the Democratic Party. This candidate must be removed from the ballot, his presence there is a disgrace and a clear attempt to undermine our electoral system. If people are allowed to vote for whoever is able to get on the ballot it undermines our system, the federal government should step in and prevent this type of electoral fraud that allows just anyone to run for Congress, it is a disgrace.

Posted by: Pelosiforpres | June 11, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

To people who are saying that it was Democrats who voted for him, that may not be the case. South Carolina has open primaries. Republicans, Democrats, Greens, Libertarians, and Independents can vote in that primary and there probably were those voting across party lines to make sure the Democrats had a bad candidate.

Posted by: thirdpartyvote | June 11, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

mwms, a voter does not have to register as a Republican or a democrat in South Carolina. However, when you go to vote in a primary, you must choose which party's primary you will vote in. Once you receive your ballot, it lists only the candidates for the party that you chose. You CANNOT vote for a democrat for one office and a Republican for another. Why is that so hard to understand? I am a proud South Carolina voter and I know what I am talking about.

Posted by: groovercg | June 11, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse


Hello Dims,

If you want to turn yourselves and your party into laughingstocks, you could certainly start by claiming that a 32 year old man with many years of military service could not have saved up $10,400 during his years in the Army.

Posted by: screwjob16 | June 11, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse


The bigger story is how Alvin Greene with a paltry $10,000 nest egg, DESTROYED THE ESTABLISHMENT DIM candidate Vic Rawl in a 60-40% landslide, and got 100,000 Democrats to vote for him? Hmm?

Posted by: screwjob16 | June 11, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

mwms, a voter does not have to register as a Republican or a democrat in South Carolina. However, when you go to vote in a primary, you must choose which party's primary you will vote in. Once you receive your ballot, it lists only the candidates for the party that you chose. You CANNOT vote for a democrat for one office and a Republican for another. Why is that so hard to understand? I am a proud South Carolina voter and I know what I am talking about.

Posted by: groovercg
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we get it. but a republican who assumed the right republican candidates would win anyway because there was no hanky-panky on that side might take the democrat ballot just to vote for green, despite not being able to vote for any repubs.

Posted by: JoeT1 | June 11, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Hello Dims,

If you want to turn yourselves and your party into laughingstocks, you could certainly start by claiming that a 32 year old man with many years of military service could not have saved up $10,400 during his years in the Army.

Posted by: screwjob16
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He could, but with 10K in the bank, he can't get a public defender on the porn charge. something doesn't add up.

Posted by: JoeT1 | June 11, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

screwjob16,

If you want to turn your party into a joke, it easy! Just continue. The GOP (Grand Old Party for simple folks) has spent approximately 2000 dollars of donators money on a bondage-themed strip club (Voyeur).

Posted by: Heimdall | June 11, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse


Hello Dims,

Jim DeMint the all-powerful not only got 341,000 votes in the GOP primary, he also made a secret pact with another 100,000 Republican voters to sneak into the Dim primary and elect Alvin Green your new party nominee for Senate? Is that your story Dims? Hmm?

So what you are telling us is there were 441,000 Republican voters on Tuesday night, while Vic Rawl your hand-picked establishment Dim hack only got 71,000 votes.

Posted by: screwjob16 | June 11, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

"We Democrats just elected an unknown alleged felon because our party's primary elections are controlled by the Republicans."

- Bitter Dim Chowderhead

Posted by: screwjob16 | June 11, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter whether he was a "plant" or not. Where was a viable (read electable) Democratic candidate? You can't lay this one on the Republicans. This was a Democrat stumble all the way. And I agree, it's very scary that someone like this can gain the candidate slot, whatever party it happens to be.

Posted by: Georgetowner1 | June 11, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

JoeT1: "we get it. but a republican who assumed the right republican candidates would win anyway because there was no hanky-panky on that side might take the democrat ballot just to vote for green, despite not being able to vote for any repubs."

I challenge you to find a 1000 Republicans in SC who knew who Alvin Greene was on election day. I dare you to find 100 Republicans who knew him. The governor and representative races were too important to vote for a dim dem.

Posted by: groovercg | June 11, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Should be easy enough to tell. If you had an extra 100,000 votes in the Democratic primary than is normal and a 100,000 less in the Republican, then maybe there's something there. You should be able to narrow it down by precinct, even, to see if there was abnormally high turnout relative to Republican votes in traditionally Republican areas.

But, that would be work, and why let research or facts get in the way of a good smear job.

Posted by: rjmonkeyboy | June 11, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Something is definitely amiss. I can't imagine why DeMint would be involved, but SOMEBODY paid that $10,400 for him. As has been pointed out--he wouldn't have been assigned a public defender if he had that much money in the bank. And during the Olbermann interview he was clearly being coached in his answers by someone just off-camera. Olbermann was told that man was his "lawyer." If he couldn't afford a lawyer to get himself clear of felony charges, how could he afford one now?

Posted by: lizgwiz | June 11, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Hello Dims,

I am shocked, shocked that your alleged felon Democrat senatorial nominee, who is now unemployed, asked for and received a public defender last November. Did he deserve a free lawyer? Who knows. You can voice your outrage to the South Carolina public defender's office. However that has nothing to do with Greene's decision to spend $10,400 of his personal savings in order to register for the Democrat primary election.

Posted by: screwjob16 | June 11, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

This guy came up with so many votes, I think the voting machines were sabotaged in the pure Republican districts where they could get away with it.

Obviously, somebody gave poor ole Alvin the filingfee.

Posted by: edismae | June 11, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

This man is obviously a Republican dirty trick. If you read any of the stories in the past few days you would know he is unemployed, impoverished, and lives with his elderly sick parents. Other then paying the $10,400 filing fee he did nothing to campaign. No commericals, no speeches, no fundraisers, and no yard signs. Whoever gave him the $10,400 made an illegal campaign contribution. Even if he actually had the money wouldn't he want to spend it on the felony charges he is facing.

Posted by: buffysummers | June 11, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Hello Dims,

As Ms. Marcus should have known, and in any case now she does know: no FEC filing is required for a campaign that receives less than $5,000 in campaign contributions. Alvin Greene's self funded campaign had less than that.

The $10,400 filing fee does not count towards that $5,000 limit: from the FEC viewpoint it only becomes a campaign after you file for office.

Posted by: screwjob16 | June 11, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

just got up and out of the double-wide myself... yawnnnnn, whats this about a Dim this and a dim that...? are they calling Republicans dim-wits now?

Oh, yah, about this guy with $10K to get on the ballot, are there any Republicans in the State of South Carolina that can't call up the business interests that they work for and get another $10K to put in a stalking horse candidate in the Democratic Primary? I doubt it...

This guy probably scares most people because he might be as tall as Obama.

It also might scare some that he isn't owned by anyone in South Carolina yet?

Gotta go back and watch Judge Judy now.. so long dimwits...

Posted by: mtstewart1 | June 11, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Okay, okay, okay! Can't we be done with this arguing? Let's just all agree that George W. Bush paid Greene's filing fee. If he didn't, then surely Dick Cheney did. If not Cheney, then it certainly was Rush Limbaugh. If not Limbaugh, it must have been been etc, etc, etc, No dems voted for Greene, it was all those nasty repugnates. Now, don't you feel better?

Posted by: groovercg | June 11, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Some democrats voted in the Republican primary for Nikki Haley because it is believed that if she wins, she will be easier to deal with than the other republican candidates for governor.

Posted by: pkm123 | June 11, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm highly skeptical about the "he's a plant and it was an open primary" argument (that Green was planted and that GOPers voted for him in the primary). That would require an orchestrated conspiracy of literally thousands of people who were told to vote for this guy. I doubt few people, except those whackjobs who think Bush conspired to blow up the World Trade Center, would admit that such a huge conspiracy like this is true, let alone simply feasible.

Posted by: Silvae | June 11, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

To use a hackneyed phrase, at the end of the day, my poor Ruthie (alas, I knew her well!), it really doesn't matter if the guy is a "plant" (perhaps a poor choice of words in this case).

He paid the required fee to get on the ballot. Registered voters voted for him. He won the race. Now, if there was a problem with the registration of the voters, that is another thing altogether. But no one is alleging that fact (that only seems to come up when there is a Republican involved somehow).

EVEN if someone found this guy in the gutter, funded his campaign fund, and showed him how to do everything, it doesn't matter.

Fortunately for you, due to you well known liberal qualifications, you aren't being called a racist. But what else can you call it? He won.

Posted by: Curmudgeon10 | June 11, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

no matter what...
he is your candidate...
enjoy...

Posted by: DwightCollins | June 11, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

People that vote in primaries on off years are not going to be representative of the below average electorate. I have never in my life given a compliment to the intellect of the electorate but even this case is far below the extremely low expectation I have of the electorate. There was only a 24% turnout for the primary.

This is not a portion of the electorate that goes out to vote based on alphabetical order for a US Senate seat. Anyone that dumb wouldn't vote. They would stay home, drink beer and play with their WII.

I don't believe you could organize enough people to vote for this obviously Nov loser without it leaking somehow. It's not realistic.

On the other hand. A handful of people involved in the software for the electronic voting machines could make it so a vote for candidate X would register as a vote for Alvin Green. It's not rocket science to write malicious software.

There are no paper ballot backups.

Posted by: James10 | June 11, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Gee you would think the hapless South Carolina Democrat party leadership would just take their lumps in silence, instead of shouting their incompetence from the rooftops. Bad enough their hand-picked establishment candidate Vic Rawl got destroyed in a 60-40 landslide by a complete unknown, who turns out to be an alleged felon no less.

But to top it off they have to crow about how comically inept they are, and that "somehow" they got taken by "somebody". They are not sure who and how though.

Meanwhile Senator Jim DeMint got twice as many votes in the GOP primary on Tuesday as Alvin Greene and and Vic Rawl combined.

Posted by: screwjob16 | June 11, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

groovercg says: Greene is an idiot, what does it say about those who voted for him? They were democrats, not Republicans.

Not necessarily. Since SC conducts open primaries...and if Demint is running unopposed...why might there not be an effort to make sure a cipher runs against the him. Stranger things have happened....haven't they?-))

Posted by: jimg38 | June 11, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

jimg38, that has already been debunked in previous post. Read them.

Posted by: groovercg | June 11, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Gee Marcus, you're quite the little racist today aren't you?

Posted by: bandmom22 | June 11, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Alvin Green put his fee in this past March. I found this blurb from the end Feb.
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"President Barack Obama's job approval may be eroding nationwide, but in South Carolina, a state he lost in 2008, a new poll gives him higher numbers than the state's two Republican senators.

Nearly 48 percent of adults in the Palmetto State approve of Obama's performance as president, a Winthrop University poll found. In contrast, 39.4 percent of those surveyed approve of the job Sen. Lindsey Graham is doing, while 42.6 percent approve of Sen. Jim DeMint -- one of Obama's harshest critics."
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Think there was any chance that DeMint might be thinking his Senate seat was in jeopardy?

All the software change that is needed is to flip the x-y box coordinates of one candidate with another one.

Posted by: James10 | June 11, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

From TPM today: "Beser said that since election night the Burton campaign has been doing precinct tallies and has seen numbers that far surpass what turnout had expected to be, including all-white precincts where Greene beat Senate candidate Victor Rawl and Frasier beat Burton. Both Rawl and Burton are white. "None of it makes sense," she said.

Posted by: abqcleve | June 11, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Gee, I thought Ms. Marcus column today would have denounced Jerry Brown for comparing Meg Whitman to Joseph Goebbels. After all, the ninny got her panties all in a twist when Ms. Fiorina cracked about Ms. Boxers hair.

Leftists. Sooooo predictable.

Posted by: Azarkhan | June 11, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I think James10 is on to something. It's the most plausible explanation for the really bizarre results. Finding out who provided the $10,400 is the first place to start and I guarantee this will be a very interesting trail to follow. I feel sorry for S. Carolinians, but this is going to be great fun for us out-of-state political junkies.....

Posted by: abqcleve | June 11, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

It would be really hilarious if Greene beats DeMint in the general election...

Posted by: americareal | June 11, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

No need to feel sorry for South Carolinians. SC is a great state. Beautiful mountains and shining seas. Wonderful people. It's a great place to raise a family. It is a state that has many yankees who fleed the taxes and socialism of the Northeast. I have lived in many states and SC is one of the best. I encourage liberals, especially those who support the Obama regime, to stay away.

Posted by: groovercg | June 11, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Ruth, sounds like all you've got is vague speculation and innuendo, but no facts. How about doing a little reporting? If Greene was a "plant", then to what purpose? Why would someone run him against the anointed party choice and expect a complete unknown, with no money, no campaign and no exposure to have any effect whatsoever? Is that something that happens a lot, you think? What kind of a plan is that? Are you suggesting the vote count was not honest? If not, say so, otherwise explain why the guy won. Why is the Dem establishment wee-weeing themselves trying to smear this guy? Maybe the electorate is so disgusted with the status quo that 60% will vote for ANYONE over the party hack. Maybe Greene has no real idea how he got elected, but he just did. Maybe he's Forest Gump or something. Sounds to me like the problem here is you don't even have a clue as to what the story really is.

Posted by: david48 | June 11, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse


Hello Dims,

If nobody including yourselves and the Democrat party leadership knew who Alvin Greene was before his election, nobody knew his race either, so the nonsense about voting patterns in "black precincts and white precincts" is just that: nonsense.

Alvin Greene, to hear Democrat party leaders tell of it, was elected because Greene first in the alphabet before Rawl, and Democrat primary voters just picked the first name on the ballot. The same ballot is used throughout the state. Greene's name was first on the ballot in white precincts and black precincts alike.


Posted by: screwjob16 | June 11, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

The gentleman is not owned by anyone or any corporation. He isn't a "player" in party politics...gee, he sounds like my type of guy!

Posted by: bigisle | June 11, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

screwjob16:
"Hello Dims,
As Ms. Marcus should have known, and in any case now she does know: no FEC filing is required for a campaign that receives less than $5,000 in campaign contributions....
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Screwball yous and your fellow SC Republicans who are trying so hard to explain away this - your numbers just don't add up (and neither do your explanations).

You say Green raised less than $5,000 - how do you know this - he hasn't filed any of the required funding reports with the FCC yet?

And tell us again where did the $10,000 come from he used for the filing fee? And how much did he spend on the "fancy" flyers he was sooo proud of?

It would be so funny and so sweet if DeMint and a large chunk of the SC Republican Party Leadership ends getting caught up in the investigation that is surely comming.

The Republicans and whoewver else behind this realy stupid move should be starting to get just a little concerned about how their man Mr. Green - obviously a man of limited mental abilities - is going to stand up to the grilling he is surely going to get when he is called to the witness stand.

Unfortunately for them it looks like they could be charged with some serious crimes and do some real time because of this.

The good news is Abramhof has been released from prison and there is at least one spare warm bed ready and waiting for them all to share.

And for whoever is behind this really knuckleheaded move I have only one suggestion - "soap-on-a-rope"...

Posted by: alfa73 | June 11, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Would someone please tell me if there were more than two candidates on the Democratic ballot?

Posted by: robby3 | June 11, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Please tell me if there were more than two candidates on the Deemocratic ballot.

Posted by: robby3 | June 11, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

If I were a South Carolinian, which is about as improbable as...

I'm not sure you understand the idea of probability. Are you not sure? Is there some question in your mind?
What is it about SC that you find so abhorrent--the shady nature of its politics or the, not unrelated, vast stupidity and racism of its black population--turning out to vote for a non-entity entirely based on his black visage?
Perhaps the voter ballots there should resemble those cash registers in some fast-food joints that are designed for functionally illiterate, with an alphabetic keyboard replaced by a menu of icons or pictures.

Posted by: eladsinned | June 11, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

eladsinned, you've got it all mixed up. The fact is that virtually nobody knew anything about Greene before his name showed up on the ballot. No one knew that he was black. They couldn't have. BTW, you're the one who is talking like a racist, IMO.

Posted by: david48 | June 11, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse


Who provided the $10,400? Alvin Greene did from his personal savings that he saved during years in the Army.

How did Greene "qualify" for a public defender? Greene asked for one, some overworked trial judge took one look at Greene, perhaps asked a handful of questions, and then gave Greene a free lawyer. What does Marcus think, that the state has a team of accountants checking over perps' bank statements before offering them counsel?

They must run a tight ship there ... just like the Democrat party carefully vets their candidates for U.S. Senate.

Posted by: screwjob16 | June 11, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Is it my imagination or didn't reporters used to do the work and find out what was behind the story BEFORE printing a story about it? Now we just seem to print speculation, plop it on the computer and it gets printed/digitized whatever and that substitutes for news. Then a couple of hundred people start screaming at each other on posts as if someone actually wrote something real. This is progress?

BTW how is it in this age of 24/7 news coverage didn't any newspaper/tv station radio news pick up that a total unknown was running and probably winning the Democratic nomination and report on it BEFORE the election?

Posted by: kchses1 | June 11, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Greene lied about his assets. No, of course not, you would never expect a dem politician to lie.

Posted by: groovercg | June 11, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

eladsinned:
"What is it about SC that you find so abhorrent--the shady nature of its politics or the, not unrelated, vast stupidity and racism of its black population--turning out to vote for a non-entity entirely based on his black visage?"
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I don't think you or anyone else in SC knows exactly who the people were who voted int the Dimms primary, a lot less what the color of their skin was.

As far as what we find so ahorrent about SC would be a tough question - it would be hard to find just one reason.

I have no problem with the large numbers of ignorant, racist rednecks who happen to live there - only why do you insist on electing them all to congress and sending them to Washington?

I think Sherman had it right - "We are not going to be able to change these peoples hearts, but we sure are going to make them howl"

Posted by: alfa73 | June 11, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Democrats are quick to leap to conspiracy theories, but the one thing missing in all of this talk of Greene as a "plant" is who would benefit from planting him. He's facing Jim DeMint in South Carolina, for goodness sake. Greene's opponent in the Democratic primary probably would have given DeMint a bit more of a race, but I doubt that any Democrat could reasonably hope to win that seat this year.

In other words, DeMint might be getting a free pass because Greene is the nominee, but it's not like DeMint was at risk of losing in the first place. DeMint's camp has no good reason whatsoever to slip a plant into the Democratic nomination.

Saying that Greene is a plant is saying that someone planted him, so then who? Given how nutty South Carolina politics are, I wouldn't be surprised if Democrats planted him there, just to say that he was a Republican plant, and thereby to tarnish Republicans. One conspiracy theory is just as far-fetched as another.

Or maybe this was just a fluke, and maybe Greene really did blow the last of his savings on a run for the Senate, and maybe voters were simply so uninformed that they randomly picked Greene over his opponent.

What this really makes me wonder is why the South Carolina press and Democratic Party didn't sniff this out in advance. Don't South Carolina newspapers interview candidates and make endorsements ahead of primaries? And doesn't a state Democratic party official contact primary candidates to offer assistance and find out what they are all about ahead of the primary? That Greene got this far without anybody knowing anything about him signals to me willful ignorance. The press and the party should know a little something about candidates on the ticket before the vote happens, and South Carolina Democrats have no one but themselves to blame in this debacle. Even if Greene is a Republican plant, how did Democrats fail to briefly check him out before the primary? Sorry, but Democrats dropped the ball.

Posted by: blert | June 11, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

screwjob16:
"Who provided the $10,400? Alvin Greene did from his personal savings that he saved during years in the Army.

How did Greene "qualify" for a public defender? Greene asked for one, ..."

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Screwball -

Where did you get this information from? Did you read it on the bathroom wall somewhere?

Funny no one else, not even Mr. Green, has stated or even hinted at any of these "facts" you are asserting. Do you just make this stuff up as you go along?

You are entileted to your own opnions, no matter how ignorant they may be - but not your own facts.

Posted by: alfa73 | June 11, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

For everyone thinking it was Republican crossover votes -- forget about it!! There was a hot Gov race on the Repub side, and no way hardly any Repub would have crossed over to get this clown Greene elected. The simple truth is that the SC Dem voters showed their political IQ for all to see by not bothering to even check to see who or what they were voting for. Ruth baby, even if Greene was a plant, and paid for by someone with an ax to grind, Republican or Democrat, the fact still stands that YOUR party faithful elected the nobody from nowhere!!! Live with it!

Posted by: CREEBOLD | June 11, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

I am a democrat and a South Carolinian and would vote for Alvin Greene before I'd vote for Jim DeMint. Jim DeMint doesn't represent me at all. However, saying that, I hope Alvin Greene is off the ticket before November.

Posted by: Jean60 | June 11, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

If DeMint loses the general election, just watch how loud the repugs and teabags will whine and scream about election fraud - you betcha!!

Posted by: americareal | June 11, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Face it, nobody wants the incumbent Senator - and there's no way anyone is stupid enough to vote for a Republicant anymore.

Posted by: WillSeattle | June 11, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse


"We believe that attacking our Democrat party's senate nominee just two days after he was elected by a landslide is a wise thing."

Dazed Confused Dim

Posted by: screwjob16 | June 11, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse


Jim DeMint got twice as many votes on the GOP primary side as Green and Rawl put together on the Dim side.

And most of the votes on the Dim side were for an alleged felon.

Posted by: screwjob16 | June 11, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

"Face it, nobody wants the incumbent Senator - and there's no way anyone is stupid enough to vote for a Republicant anymore."

Posted by: WillSeattle

See you in November.

Posted by: groovercg | June 11, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Shades of "hanging chads" Who's counting the votes down there.
I'm just saying..

Posted by: MILLER123 | June 11, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

BTW,in SC if you don't have the filing fee, you can still run. This was done to encourage people who are not rich to run. Ironically, the law was pushed by black democrats who felt the filing fee was discrimatory against blacks.

Posted by: groovercg | June 11, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

I wish Alvin Greene wins.

Somebody has to teach the professional polticians a simple lesson: People know better than the elitist rulers:

For example:

According to Greene, people want cheaper gasoline.

Why not ask all gas station owners?

Will you reduce the price of gasoline after Obama increases spending on green energies, alternative fuels, windmills, solar panels and prohibits most of the oil exploring and drilling?

If most of the gas station owners promise reduce price of the gas at the pump if Obama gets all his wishes then Greene will vote as Obama wants.

Otherwise greene will vote drill here, drill now and pay less at the pump and to the hell what Pelosi, Reid and Obama want.

Same with the health. If most of the doctors promise to reduce their fees and provide better care under the rules of Obama care than Greene will vote for Obama care, otherwise to the hell what Obama wants.

Same with the jobs, If most of the business owners promise to hire more people and pay higher wages for return of paying higher taxes, put up with more government regulations and unionization

Greene will vote as Pelosi, Raid and Obama want, otherwise he will vote against them.

All, we the pople, have to do is to help Greene to get that message out and he will win in November.

Posted by: ilmar | June 11, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

"You don’t have to be paranoid to suspect dirty tricks at work here."

Perhaps not, but it helps. The people have spoken and Mr. Greene is their choice.

But what next - a community agitator from Chicago running for President? What a laugh that would be.

Still, if Mr. Greene's victory has produced this glowing editorial endorsement by Ms. Marcus of the heroic Sen. DeMint, we owe him our thanks.

Posted by: thebump | June 11, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

What conceivable difference does it make how he raised the filing fee? The only question is whether anyone was improperly induced to vote for him, or ballots were improperly marked or counted. Otherwise, the Dimwitcrats voted him in, and he's their man.

Posted by: thebump | June 11, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

It is not difficult to research these questions, Ruth. South Carolina's State Board of Elections has a website, and on that website it lists the full results of the primaries. On that website, Ruth, you will note that just over 197,000 people voted in the Dem primary, far less than in the GOP primary. In both primaries there were numerous seats up for grabs, including hot contests for GOP governor, several congressional races, lots of state house races, and some referenda and the like. You will also note that of the 197,000 Dem voters, just over 170,000 voted in the Dem Senate primary. And of those, about 100,000 voted for Greene. Meanwhile, most of those 197,000 Dem primary voters also voted for, e.g., governor, Lt Gov, congress, and other such primaries. To wit, there is no special sect of 100,000 Greene voters who participated only in the Senate election - those 100,000 Greene voters also represented the majority of Dem voters across all races.

Therefore, if fraud occurred in the Dem Senate primary election, then then entire Dem primary - all races - was also the subject of fraud.

Moreover, to believe that this was the subject of fraud, one would also have to believe that 100,000 members of the GOP conspired to vote in the Dem election, thereby entirely foregoing their right to vote in any of the hotly-contested GOP primaries, and that they did so with such utter secrecy that all of them should be hired by the CIA.

Finally, if we are to believe that 100,000 of the Dem voters in the Dem primary were actually Republicans, then we would also have to accept that only 97,000 "real" Dem voters turned out for this election, and that the "real" GOP numbers were at or about 5 times that number. I would think that possibility would be far more embarrassing than the fact that a poor black man won the Dem primary.

Ruth, I understand your personal desire to serve as one of the mouthpieces of the Democratic Party, but you might want to engage in at least 5 minutes' worth of original research (beyond just reviewing your talking points from the Party) before publishing something on the Post's website. This was a really sad effort on your part, and I hope you are ashamed of your poor effort.

Posted by: VirginiaPerson | June 11, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Why would anybody be surprised that a party that would nominate Barbara Boxer would also nominate Mr. Greene (who, by the evidence available to date, is at least twice as intelligent as Boxer)?

Posted by: thebump | June 11, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

screwjob16:
"And most of the votes on the Dim side were for an alleged felon."
======================================
Screwabll -

What an astute observation - how did you ever figure that one out?

And the point is - which SC Republicans put up the money for him to run?

And which SC Republicans do you think are going to end up going to end up sharing a cell with Mr. Green?

We have only just started to learn the truth about this matter.

And when one consideres that the Republicans were sure to win this seat no matter who the "Dims" put up one has to only guess at the level of stuipdity of the SC Republicans who tried to pull this idiotic stunt.

Whos your dummy?

Posted by: alfa73 | June 11, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Ditwitcrats nominate dimwit, then blame it on Bush.

(Never ends, does it?)

Posted by: thebump | June 11, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

thebump:
"Why would anybody be surprised that a party that would nominate Barbara Boxer would also nominate Mr. Greene (who, by the evidence available to date, is at least twice as intelligent as Boxer)?"
========================================

Bumpy

Considering the level of stupidy of the Republican Party in general, and of the SC Republican Party in paricular for pulling this stunt, in light of the fact they were almost sure to win this seat, I don't see how any Republican anywhere can ever call anyone dumb.

And isn't that DeMint character the same clown who keeps on insisting the entire climate change/global warming "thing" is just a big hoax!

Even George Bush was smart enough to understand the science behind climate change - that means you SC Republicans voted to re-elect a guy who is dumber than George Bush! How dumb is that?

Whos your dummy?

Posted by: alfa73 | June 11, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Zero chance, Ruth?

That's what they said about US Senator Patty Murray (D-WA) when she first ran.

Surprised you elitist insiders then, didn't she.

That's what they said about US Senator Maria Cantwell (D-WA) when she first ran.

Another surprise.

...

Face it, you have no idea what makes an election tick.

I've seen Mayors elected in Seattle and the party establishment fought like heck to not let them win - and they won.

We all knew they would - except the elitists.

GET USED TO LOSING!

And take your America-hating Republicants with you.

Posted by: WillSeattle | June 11, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

I am certain that NO ONE believes that Mr. Greene legitimately won the S.C. primary against a judge who previously served in the state legislature and who actually campaigned. And it's not complicated: The voting apparatus was tampered with. This situation cries out for a serious investigation.

Posted by: gsross | June 11, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Men and women thrust into tasks by providence often rise to the occasion. Take a "Murder Board" and him to some place like Camp David and pump him up. Who knows he could turn into something wonderful. When life hands you Lemons get some water and sugar and go into business.

Posted by: bluetiger | June 11, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

After all these posts, no one has come up with any evidence that the Repulicans put Greene on the ballot and then got the majority of democrat voters to vote for him. If the Republican party had that kind of power, we wouldn't have a socialist regime in the White House.

Posted by: groovercg | June 11, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Marcus can no longer be taken seriously, if she ever was.

Posted by: thebump | June 11, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

What does this "say" about Mr. Rawl's ability to lead? Shouldn't he have prepared for his opponent?

Posted by: f_cundiff | June 11, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Why a plant you say?
As pointed out many times here, there was never any doubt Demint would win.
But let's just say that SC Dems are so disgusted with the Dem Senate candidate that they just stay home. Than the turn out for the vote for house races will likely swing stronger for Republicans, making a red state even redder. Think about it, what else makes sense....?

Posted by: sej2 | June 11, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Not you.

Posted by: groovercg | June 11, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse


"The Republicans even beat us in our own primary election."

South Carolina Democrats

Posted by: screwjob16 | June 11, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

I think the Dems in SC need to invite the iranian Clerics who decide who in iran can run for office, to decide who is qualified to run for office as a Dem in SC. they would make sure only the most qualified run regardless of what the voters think

Posted by: totalee | June 11, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Why are you surprised that a moron won a Democratic election?

Your tin-foil hat conspiracy theories don't hold water. First of all, there was a competitive Republican primary, so the chance of Republicans crossing aisles to vote for Greene are pretty low. Secondly, there's no chance either Democrat would beat DeMint, so why would the Republicans waste the effort?

Apply Occam's Razor: isn't it most likely that South Carolina Democrats simply voted for the black candidate -- even though he's an unqualified boob who's quite likely mentally unstable? After all, the whole nation did it with Obama, right?

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | June 11, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Ruth Marcus wrote this piece in ten minutes at the beach in Rehoboth.

The real scandal here is that Ruth Marcus claims to be a journalist. She offers nothing, nada, squat in the way of reporting or evidence. Just her "feelings" that "something is not right." Why didn't an editor at the Post say - "it doesn't run until you actually have something solid."

The other scandal is that Ruth Marcus' husband - Jon Leibowitz - the Chair of the FTC that is proposing a "Drudge Tax" to support "legitimate" journalists.

I wonder, in his opinion, is his wife's piece the work of a real journalist who deserves a government subsidy?

The Washington Post missed the John Edwards story - but they are quick with their "feelings" that something is not right about this guy Greene.


Posted by: robin1 | June 11, 2010 11:39 PM | Report abuse

So what you're saying is that Greene is an African American who is obviously slow mentally and how could he come up with $10,500 anyway?

Maybe he should pass a literacy test and pay a poll tax.

And you're right -- Greene has been charged with a crime. Why bother having a trial or conviction and wasting time and money?

Why not get a rope, find a tree, and take care of business like in the good old days, when Democrats ran everything in the South? That'll larn them uppity people not to run fer election.

Posted by: spamagnet987 | June 12, 2010 12:34 AM | Report abuse

I am obviously being sarcastic, Ms. Marcus.

How about you act like a journalist, and get an iota of a shadow of a scintilla of evidence before you make such a scurrilous charge as "dirty tricks at work here." Leave McCarthyism to the '50s, and wear out some shoe leather doing your job before you charge someone with something.

Posted by: spamagnet987 | June 12, 2010 12:38 AM | Report abuse

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We are aiming to be the largest serious group of people showing our support for Mr. Greene. Whether you are a hardcore supporter, or somebody who just feels that the media has been all over this poor guys' back - join our group and express your support for (future senator) Greene.

Posted by: Muellerl | June 12, 2010 2:39 AM | Report abuse

It seems to me that a nobody facing obscenity charges and who has nothing to day would fit right in the U.S. Senate. Some silly people think it is a distinguished body. Others, more realistic, think it is a place where hubris is the common denominator, not unlike your average university faculty.

Posted by: sailhardy | June 12, 2010 7:03 AM | Report abuse

I'm as fascinated by Alvin Greene as ruth marcus is, but not for the same reason.

As several posters have noted, however Greene got the idea & the money to run for the Senate, what is amazing is that MORE THAN 100,000 PEOPLE VOTED FOR HIM.

Are South Carolina voters that shallow? Is the South Carolina media that lame? Does the South Carolina Democratic Party even exist outside of Clyburn's office and cronies?

Posted by: pilsener | June 12, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

groovercg @ June 11, 2010 1:35 PM wrote "Republicans had no reason to crossover to vote for the weaker candidate."

Cross-over voters vote for the weaker candidate. I suppose the rest of your 'analysis' as as meaningful.

Posted by: AMviennaVA | June 12, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

AM: "Cross-over voters vote for the weaker candidate. I suppose the rest of your 'analysis' as as meaningful."

That's exactly what I said. Do you not understand English?

Posted by: groovercg | June 12, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I'd love to see a youthful surge of voters giving Greene the victory. Surely, the Democrats in the Senate would shepherd him along. And we'd be rid of the incredibly cynical DeMint.

Think of the story! It would also be South Carolina's karma. Dirty politics wins! Go for it, youth of S. Carolina, fellow alumni of Greene at the university. (The real question is: how did he get a degree from South Carolina?)

Posted by: cturtle1 | June 12, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, the smartest thing Democrats could do in S. Carolina is to get behind this guy and make sure he wins. He wouldn't be the first "puppet" candidate put forward, and as long as he had handlers who knew what they were doing, how could it be any worse than Jim-Boy DeMint?

Think of the teeth-gnashing in the DeMint camp (who probably had a hand in setting all this up). Dirty politics would come back to bite the perps.

And, best of all, I love to think about the movie that will be made about this victory: Mr Greene Goes to Washington.

Mr. Greene would be a lot more honest than most others there and we'd be putting an American veteran to work.

Posted by: cturtle1 | June 12, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Dream on. If every democrat in South Carolina gets behind Greene, DeMint will still win. There are not enough dems in SC to elect anyone. DeMint is a great man and a great Senator.

Posted by: groovercg | June 12, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

There's already lots of evidence that points to tampering. More votes than voters. A 43% to 7% margin between Rawl and Greene reported in the New Conservative just a month before. And...no campaigning that anyone can find. Not even Manning residents, where Greene lives, knew anything about his candidacy.

If Greene couldn't even be bothered to put a campaign sign on his lawn (not even a hand-scrawled one like his filing check) then it does appear that he wasn't really in charge of a campaign. Just the recipient of some promises which he naively went along with...just watch the videos. This guy hasn't a clue.

And who in his right mind would now campaign on this issue of offshore drilling?????

Posted by: michele3d | June 12, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Michele says, "There's already lots of evidence that points to tampering."

Perhaps you could share that "evidence" with us. I haven't seen any evidence. All I've seen is speculation.

Posted by: groovercg | June 12, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Let's consider what matters here. Demint(ed) will win regardless, so that's not at issue. What is?

1. Electronic voting machines need a paper trail.

Elections should not only be honest--they should LOOK honest. When a significant number of voters have questions about an election that can neither be proven NOR disproven, the republic has a serious problem. You should agree with this whether you're Democrat or Republican--all of us should demand transparent government.

2. This primary shows how South Carolina should adopt the open primary system that California just adopted (based on a Washington State law that has withstood Supreme Court review).

Because it's a given that the Republican will win in November. So Democrats have no say then, regardless of who just won the Democratic primary. But in our open primary system, SC would wind up with two Republicans competing in November--Demint and, in all probability, a less radically knuckle-dragging candidate--giving not just Democrats but also moderate Republicans someone to vote for.

An open primary system slowly drags politics back towards the center--which maps to a plurality of American voters, who say in polls that they're neither conservative nor liberal.

Today's government at state and national generally consists of legislatures of party zealots who cannot communicate with the other side.

This is emphatically not what the Founders intended, nor is it good for us. Again, this is something both Democrats and Republicans (apart from the wack jobs on both sides) should agree on.

3. A federal investigation is probably warranted.

It isn't rational that the dominant party would game a system where they were already winning decisively--but party zealots are often not rational.

It also isn't rational to draw any hard conclusions now--on either side. All we have to go on now is apparent irregularities.

And yes, the Democrats who voted for Greene were probably thoughtless at best--just like the Republicans who voted for Demint. Thoughtlessness knows no party boundaries...

www.blogzu.blogspot.com

Posted by: ehkzu | June 12, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

SC has a two party system which allows anyone to vote in whichever primary he selects. I believe that should change so that only those who are registered in a party would be able to vote in that party. After all, it is a party primary, not a general election.

Democrats do have a say in November. They vote for the democrat. Just because they don't win doesn't mean they didn't have a say. Do you have a say only when you win. That's what elections are for.

As for "apparent irregularities," what are they? Not your speculations, but facts.

This whole episode shows the bigotry and bias of liberals. Also, the "knuckle-dragging" comment is racist.

I am a thoughtful person, and I voted for Jim DeMint, and I will vote for him again in November. He's one of the best senators in the senate.

Posted by: groovercg | June 12, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Why are people focusing on Mr. Greene? The REAL story here is the incompetence of the Democratic Party in letting Greene get as far as he did. Didn't the party vet it's candidates, including Greene?

Posted by: Paaa | June 13, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse

What ought to be investigated is why it costs a U.S. citizen in South Carolina over $10K in order to participate in our democracy as a candidate. If that amount is so steep that Ms. Marcus and other like-minded people believe we should find out how on earth an ordinary guy overcame a financial barrier intended to preclude his participation, then I would say something is wrong with our democracy -- and its not what Ms. Marcus is interested in discussing.

Incidentally, hasn't it occurred to Ms. Marcus that once Mr. Greene invested his hard-earned scratch to run, voters pulled the lever for him to protest the party hack who the Democratic-Party establishment sought to place on the general-election ballot through an uncontested primary?

Posted by: rboltuck | June 13, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Somebody put that money up. Apparently there are no disclosure laws in South Carolina. And somebody tinkered with voting machines. There needs to be Justice Department investigation and a good investigative reporter might learn a lot too.

Posted by: withersb | June 13, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

rboltuck said: "What ought to be investigated is why it costs a U.S. citizen in South Carolina over $10K in order to participate in our democracy as a candidate."

Actually, in South Carolina you can file without the filing fee if you don't have the money. The law was passed to help poor people, primarily poor blacks, run as candidates.

Withersb wrote: "Apparently there are no disclosure laws in South Carolina. And somebody tinkered with voting machines. There needs to be Justice Department investigation and a good investigative reporter might learn a lot too."

There are disclosure laws in South Carolina. They are the same federal election laws that govern other states as well. The filing fee does not have to be disclosed. After that, only when campaign expenditures exceeds $5000 does the candidate have to file a report.

Also, what evidence do you have that voting machines were tinkered with? If you have that evidence, please notify the Justice Department.

Speculation and rumors are easy. However, facts are stubborn things.

Posted by: groovercg | June 13, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

This piece reeks of Liberal Racism. The Black candidate with hardly any name recognition beat out the White candidate with only 4% name recognition in South Carolina. The unknown beat out the candidate with party money behind him. It's called an upset. White Democrats/Liberals can't believe the results so it must be voter fraud or a GOP plant...ect. Alvin Greene obviously needs public speaking classes. Why don't the Dems focus on providing this new comer the skills needed to be a viable candidate instead of tearing him apart.

Posted by: annmarie2 | June 13, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

What if they did not pay off "experts" to tell us how to vote?

Time to PANIC. Panic!

Panic!!

Time to trot out the 401's.

Posted by: GaryEMasters | June 14, 2010 7:34 AM | Report abuse

At this point I can only fault SC voters for being what everyone knows they are, ignoratnt fools. I am amused by the whole process and amazed that Greene put together the money to pay for a cadidacy. Must have been tough. Well, in SC anything is possible and the worst person usually wins.

Posted by: palnicki | June 14, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

palnicki, does this mean you won't visiting this wonderful state? Too bad. Your ignorance is exceeded only by your bigotry. Why are you so full of hate?

Posted by: groovercg | June 14, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

There is a very simple explanation. Mr Greene has been unemployed for quite a while, so he entered the senate race to get a job. He saw the Whitehouse offer jobs to Sestak, in Pa, and Romanoff, in Colorado, to get out of the race, so why not him. He was (and probably still is) waiting for a call of Rahm Emmanuel for a job offer to get out of the race. I've got a suggestion for the position--Vice President!! He seems like a quiet gentleman who can keep his foot out of his mouth, unlike Joe Biden.

Posted by: khscottfighton | June 14, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

There is a very simple explanation. Mr Greene has been unemployed for quite a while, so he entered the senate race to get a job. He saw the Whitehouse offer jobs to Sestak, in Pa, and Romanoff, in Colorado, to get out of the race, so why not him. He was (and probably still is) waiting for a call of Rahm Emmanuel for a job offer to get out of the race. I've got a suggestion for the position--Vice President!! He seems like a quiet gentleman who can keep his foot out of his mouth, unlike Joe Biden.

Posted by: khscottfighton | June 14, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

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