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Obama, Netanyahu and the Free Gaza flotilla

If the Obama administration had been skillful in managing its relationship with the difficult Israeli government of Benjamin Netanyahu, it would have some room to maneuver in responding to Israel’s disastrous attack on the Free Gaza flotilla. Netanyahu’s decision to use military force to stop boats populated with European and American notables, and, even more, the bloody execution of the operation, are indefensible -- and are being described as such today by Israel’s own press. If there were no cracks in the relationship with Jerusalem, Obama could join in the criticism, while quietly working to restrain the UN Security Council from a lynch-mob-style response, and without casting doubt on the willingness of the U.S. to defend the Jewish state from a growing multitude of enemies.

But Obama has not handled Netanyahu well. So the White House’s cautious initial response to the incident -- even as Israel was being beaten up by its closest friends in Europe -- reflected a deeper dilemma about how much more tension an already strained alliance can bear.

The problem is that Obama has already exhausted his margin for quarreling with Israel -- so much so that a White House session with Netanyahu had been planned for today as a make-up meeting. The session was cancelled, replaced by frantic phone conversations between White House and Israeli officials over whether a common response to the latest crisis was possible.

Hanging over the administration’s deliberations are the gratuitous spats with Netanyahu that Obama has blundered into. Twice the president chose to launch pointless and unwinable battles to freeze Israeli settlement construction in Jerusalem. These served only to complicate his Middle East diplomacy, while alienating Israel’s supporters in Congress and the Democratic Party.

Just last week, Obama chose to side against Israel in the final deliberations of the Non-Proliferation Treaty review conference. In pursuit of one of the president’s most cherished causes, the United States accepted language calling on Israel to join the NPT and supporting a conference in 2013 on a nuclear-free Middle East. Netanyahu’s government was left alone in its opposition.

Consequently, the question Israeli officials are asking about the Gaza crisis is “will Israel be alone -- again?” It won’t be easy for Obama to answer. Another public rift between the United States and Israel is the last thing the White House needs as it tries to wrest concessions from Netanyahu in Middle East peace talks -- and as midterm elections approach. But defending Israel in and outside the United Nations will risk a rift with Turkey, not to mention Arab states, at the moment when the administration is hoping to win broad support for a new Security Council resolution on Iran.

Obama would be in this bind regardless of what he had done in the last year. But his missteps have made it worse -- and getting out of it will require more diplomatic finesse than his administration had mustered until now.

By Jackson Diehl  | June 1, 2010; 5:22 AM ET
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Edward Peck, former US ambassador to Iraq.

And

Ann Wright a US Journalist, former US diplomat and US Army Colonel with 29 years of service are among the 9 US citizens reported missing from the ships.

Both were supposed to be among those on the US registered Chalenger which was towed in to port in Israel and injured pasengers were taken off it but they are not listed among those taken off the Chalenger.

Several UK citizens that were suposed to be on the chalenger as well and are also reported as missing.

This amid reports that several bodies of dead pasengers were removed or thrown overboard from one of the ships.

Posted by: walker1 | June 1, 2010 6:39 AM | Report abuse

"...handled Netanyahu well..."? What is Netanyahu, an infant not being given his pacifier? Obama gains nothing by fawning over the boorish Netanyahu, and only ends up causing the US more problems with the rest of the world that isn't held hostage by AIPAC.

Posted by: Puller58 | June 1, 2010 6:41 AM | Report abuse

Diehl and too many others talk as if we are Israel's father, there to get them out of trouble when needed and to love them unfailingly when they do wrong. We are not. I tire of people who put the fault of every misstep by the likes of Netanyahu at the feet of Obama. "Oh, we should have stopped him. Oh, we really mishandled this." Bunk. The Israelis mishandled this. We are not them. They will continue to mishandle things until they actually see negative repercussions to their missteps.

Posted by: steveboyington | June 1, 2010 6:42 AM | Report abuse

"If the Obama administration had been skillful in managing its relationship with the difficult Israeli government of Benjamin Netanyahu, it would have some room to maneuver in responding to Israel’s disastrous attack on the Free Gaza flotilla. "

I think it's the other way around.

Israel should have been more skillful in managing the relationship with the rest of the world.

What -- we have to dial back the rest of the world's views on human rights because of Israel?

Posted by: postfan1 | June 1, 2010 6:47 AM | Report abuse

It's Israel's decision to blockade Gaza to prevent building materials from coming in.

As much as I detest Israel's policies on the West Bank, they are right on this one. The Palestinians in the northern half of Gaza need to be resettled, not allowed to rebuild. Unlike the situation in the West Bank where it can at least be argued that Palestinians there are struggling against invaders, the 1967 borders around Gaza are internationally accepted- evenby the Saudis. No sovereign state could tolerate continued attacks across such borders like the kind that have come from Gaza.

That being said, however, Israel only harms its image when it resorts to force more than is necessary in the situation. The incursion into Gaza 18 months ago and the raid on this boat used excessive force, in my opinion. Palestinians should not have to pay the price for Israeli's domestic politics when someone like Netanyahu postures himself as "tough" even though he gave in on erecting more buildings in Jerusalem.

Posted by: stillaliberal | June 1, 2010 6:50 AM | Report abuse

The premise that we can't deal with this because our relationship with Israel is already strained is an outrageous falsehood. I want to see a great deal MORE strain on that relationship, not less. I want the U.S. to stop all aid to the murderous Israels. Is George Bush still president? Why are you being so wimpy, Mr. Obama?

Posted by: PJFoggy | June 1, 2010 6:52 AM | Report abuse

Are you thoroughly insane? The United States is not a dependant of Israel, and the attitude of its government should be of no sightest concern to us. But in order to rid ourselves of having to deal with that society, I suggest we simply break off all relations and give Israel warrant to seek funding exclusively from New York bankers. I could name two or three who could easily subsidize Israel for decades out of their own hedge fund accounts.

Posted by: LeePefley1 | June 1, 2010 6:52 AM | Report abuse

"as it tries to wrest concessions from Netanyahu in Middle East peace talks..."

"Tries?" "Wrest?" A strong president could do it with a phone call.

Posted by: LeePefley1 | June 1, 2010 6:56 AM | Report abuse

One can rely upon Diehl to lay the blame on Obama in particular and the US in general when it comes to israel. We can never do enough to support Israel even when it engages in behaviour that calls into question the collective sanity of the Netanyahu government. After hearing about self-hating Jews are we now going to have a dose of self-hating Americans.

Posted by: bitterpill8 | June 1, 2010 6:58 AM | Report abuse

Two words: barack hussein

Posted by: ItsOver2 | June 1, 2010 7:04 AM | Report abuse

The US will have no credibility with the rest of the world if we do not condemn Israeli actions in international waters and demand that they release all prisoners of this illegal raid. This will be nothing more than a recruiting tool for terrorists organizations.

Posted by: mingkeeper | June 1, 2010 7:11 AM | Report abuse

I totally disagree with Diehl. Obama can and should stand up and say that Israel is out of control. They've become the agressors and killers in this struggle. They need to be reined in. At the end of the day Obama still holds the checkbook. The real problem is that any anti-Israel stance labels you an anti-semite. This has got to end.

Posted by: CHICO13 | June 1, 2010 7:13 AM | Report abuse

Israel today is under fascist rule.

There are no solution only new problems.

The U.S. should abandon all munitions boycotts and open full equal diplomatic relation with all parties.

Posted by: aahpat | June 1, 2010 7:15 AM | Report abuse

The UN should place harsh sanctions and a world wide trade ban on Israel.
The US should declare war against this state of blood thirsty terrorists.

Posted by: dennisnickell | June 1, 2010 7:16 AM | Report abuse

This has to be one of the most misguidedopinion columns that I have read in the past year.

Bibi kas taken very calculated positions in which to openly challenge this president. It is no secret that Netanyahu allies himself with the Republicans. He has taken positions in which he believed that he could portray Obama as being weak. Well, those back-fired. It is not Obama that "has not handled Netayahu well". It is Natanyahu that has not handled Obama well be siding with the republicans in an attempt to create a narrative in which Obama looks weak.

If Netanyahu sides so openly with the current domestic opposition, he is not a friend of the US, but rather a friend of the republican party.

Posted by: Bahia1 | June 1, 2010 7:18 AM | Report abuse

You would think that in discussing the relationship between a nation of 350 million and one of 7 million greatly dependent on the larger nation for its defense a writer would see most of the onus for maintaining the relationship on the smaller power. The Post handles this much better in its main editorial.

Posted by: mgferrebee | June 1, 2010 7:27 AM | Report abuse

It seems to me that Israel is taking their GOOD relationship with America for granted. How many more insults,international violations and intentional embarrassments by Israel must America tolerate? Enough is enough. It is time for America to reassess its relationship with Israel.

Posted by: SteelWheel25 | June 1, 2010 7:30 AM | Report abuse

2 words: Judeo-Nazi's

Obama do the right thing!!!
murder is murder!!!!

Posted by: sunnydai | June 1, 2010 7:31 AM | Report abuse

A voice from the wilderness: I know nothing of the background politics between Israel and the US. However, my view from reading newspapers for 50 years is that the US (and the world) would be much better off free of the restraint of the irrational support of Israel...whose primary concern (as it should be) is the well being of Israel.

President Obama, in my opinion, is on the right track as far as Israel is concerned. It is not rational in nuclear politics to leave Israel out of the bargaining. They are the center piece.

Posted by: Thependulumswings | June 1, 2010 7:33 AM | Report abuse

Huh? Haven't we blindly supported Israel long enough? Wasn't it President Bush who said they were people of peace? President Obama has not been their chimpanzee. He should pull out all support of Israel until they change their human rights policies.

Posted by: DGSPAMMAIL | June 1, 2010 7:36 AM | Report abuse

Blaming Barack Obama is absurd. Netanyahu is the most dangerous and irresponsible leader that Israel has ever had, and he should be forced to resign. Obama's humiliation of him was fully justified, and not strong enough.

Netanyahu was hated by former Israeli Prime Ministers Ariel Sharon and Yitzhak Rabin—and especially by Rabin’s wife Leah, who blamed Netanyahu for her husband’s assassination. She saw “only doom for the Israeli-Palestinian peace process” with Netanyahu at Israel’s helm; and of course she was correct.

Posted by: TimothyDNaegele | June 1, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

Obama,good.
www.jerseys-factory.com

Posted by: jerseysfactory10 | June 1, 2010 7:41 AM | Report abuse

Are you mad? Who CARES what Nitwityahoo says? We should break all ties with Israel NOW. No more blood for the rogue state!

Posted by: mitt1968 | June 1, 2010 7:42 AM | Report abuse

The real story:
"Video taken by IDF naval boat shows the passengers of the Mavi Marmara, one of the ships in the ‘Free Gaza’ Flotilla, violently attacking IDF soldiers who were trying to board the ship after having sent repeated requests for the boat to change course.
Large groups of passengers surrounded soldiers and beat them with metal poles and chairs, and threw one soldier over the side of the ship. Some passengers grabbed pistols from the IDF soldiers and opened fire. As a result of the attacks, seven IDF soldiers were injured, and nine of the passengers were killed.
The ‘Free Gaza’ Flotilla had publicly insisted on their non-violent intentions, however their violent attack on the IDF soldiers was clearly premeditated. They had knives, metal rods, firebombs and other items ready to use."
Michelle Malkin

Posted by: totalkaosdave | June 1, 2010 7:43 AM | Report abuse

The predictable Liberal screeches arise.
This was a Trojan horse operation. If you watch the video, you will see how the IDF were murderously set upon. There is no starvation in Gaza. Humanitarian supplies constantly arrive via land. If the naval blockade is broken, thousands of missiles can be shipped to Gaza. I wonder if all those screeching would like to have a murderous neighbor armed with missiles.

Posted by: fgoepfert1 | June 1, 2010 7:44 AM | Report abuse

Israel should be given a choice: Either move to a more favorable location or do without all the foreign aid and support it gets.

Posted by: Bartolo1 | June 1, 2010 7:49 AM | Report abuse

note to stillaliberal

Everyone talks about Israel's blockade as if this was something fairly new - In truth the blockade has been in place for decades. Israel controls the sea ports around Gaza and since decades ago the Palestinians have been denied the right to free trade, commerce, or to live as free people.

Posted by: joanneva1 | June 1, 2010 7:51 AM | Report abuse

..."Wow Israel you really went to far this time, and wow folks are now reported missing important folks that the Israeli's killed and threw overboard, by using "EXCESSIVE FORCE IN INTERNATIONAL WATERS HAS SET OFF A FIRE STORM." The international community is condemning Israel and it should! What ISrael has done to this registered Voter/Vet USAF, is a DISGRACE!

..."CUT ALL TIES TO THIS ROGUE STATE THAT DISOBEYS INTERNATION LAW AND America her cloest ally whom has grown very tired of Israel using EXCESSIVE FORCE ON OTHERS THAT THE WORLD HAS SEEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN BY A RUNAWAY ISRAELI GOVERNMENT THAT IS OUT OF CONTROL!

..."Majority of American's want the President of the United States to act and punish Israel as the United Nations as well condemned this EXCESSIVE USE OF FORCE THAT HAS RUINED ISRAEL BUT GOOD!

Netanyahu is a FOOL/NUT/MURDERER WHO IS RUINING ISRAEL LIKE BUSH/REPUBLICANS RUINED THE UNITED STATES BUT GOOOOOOOOOOD!

Posted by: ztcb41 | June 1, 2010 7:52 AM | Report abuse

Israel should be thrown out of the UN,ALL AID SHALL BE SSTOPPED from the USA,And their NUKES need to be TAKEN OUT,They are HOMICIDLE MANIACS..........Get those NUKES out of their HANDS PERIOD

Posted by: Nostraden63 | June 1, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

"The problem is that Obama has already exhausted his margin for quarreling with Netanyahu."

As well he should have. The time for quarreling is over, its time for concrete actions that demonstrate our patience is exhausted. Words alone will not suffice.

Posted by: vmax02rider | June 1, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Israel is dead. The rest is euphemism.

Posted by: misterjrthed | June 1, 2010 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Anyone who don't see this is BLIND they are CRIMINALS.....PERIOD

Posted by: Nostraden63 | June 1, 2010 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Not true, Obama has the ultimate room to maneuver with Netanyhu. Simply stop all or most financial and military aid to Israel. If he had the guts to do that, we would see the peace process actually have some positive results. Unfortunately, both Obama and our dysfunctional Senate are more interested in re-election support from AIPAC than what's good for America.

Posted by: ahopewell55 | June 1, 2010 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Netanyahu is a typical right-wing hard head with a shoot first ask questions later mentality. I believe our government should scrape Israel off our list of allies.

Posted by: Grousefeather | June 1, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

the comments utterly reject the writer's bow to Israel- and with reason.
It's time we recognize that our Israel friends must be held to the same standard as the rest of the civilized world. When they don't, we are obligated to join the world in righting their course. If we don't challenge their thugs, who will? And we will be branded by muslims for what we are- or were, under Bush- political cowards. There are plenty of decent people in Israel. They have lost control of their country to thugs. We don't help them by hiding from reality.

Posted by: auntywbush | June 1, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

One wonders whether the writer is a commentator for a US paper or a hack for the murderous Israeli regime. Why blame Obama or any other countries for what an act of criminal piracy in international waters? Instead one would be totally justified in accusing the writer and others of his ilk of abetting such crimes! But for their support for whatever Israel does in killing innocent civilians, land grabbing, defying international opinion, in the name of fighting terrorism, things would not have come to this pass.The roles have switched- the self-styled crusader against "terrorism" has itself become a pathetic terrorst!!

Posted by: nirades | June 1, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

The fact that the military fired first from helicopters and then continued to fire even after the ship raised the white flag belies all the government spin about its soldiers being in danger. The Israeli military had no right to board that ship, since it was in international waters, and certainly no right to murder civilians. It would be a dark and shameful day if the US government--at any level--tried to defend Israel's latest war crime. This unprovoked attack on civilians in international waters is an outrage. It shows the contempt Israel has for international law and human life. It is a violation of every standard of decency. The world must question what kind of monsters these Israelis really are, and then deal accordingly with them. The Occupation must end and the siege of Gaza must end.

Posted by: donnasaggia | June 1, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Congrats to Israel. They did the right thing REPEATEDLY. For starters, they offered a safe and ZERO RISK method for getting this humanitarian aid to the Palestinians.

It was the flotilla group that sought confrontation. Humanitarian aid sure makes a nice cover story, though.

When the Israelis boarded the vessel, I saw no signs of Israelis attempting to harm the people on board, but I did see IMMEDIATE violent beatings by the "humanitarians" of the Israelis. Interviews with spokespeople for the flotilla group said that these "humanitarians" were instructed to offer passive resistance -- the videos show violent resistance. People died needlessly.

Its quite clear that provocation was desired by the flotilla and that violent resistance was used. Seems like they wanted a few martyrs for the cause. I'm not crying for these frauds.

Well done, Israel.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 1, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

I beg to differ Jackson: the problem is NOT "that Obama has already exhausted his margin for quarreling with Israel". The problem is that Israel's behavior is indefensible and criminal. I mean, how do you want to justify piracy? (PS: substitute Somalis for 'Israeli commandos' and see what you get).

Posted by: AMviennaVA | June 1, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

mr diehl israel killed nine turkish agitators.we have killed...... well mr diehl how many non combatants have we killed in iraq afghanistan pakistan somalia and yemen?

germany called in an air strike on afghan civilians and killed one hundred.no reaction.

Posted by: razor2 | June 1, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

This is an illogical statement:

"If there were no cracks in the relationship with Jerusalem, Obama could join in the criticism, while quietly working to restrain the UN Security Council from a lynch-mob-style response, and without casting doubt on the willingness of the U.S. to defend the Jewish state from a growing multitude of enemies."

You fail to address the basic question of WHY the U.S. should do anything to help a country of thugs increasingly condemned by the world. I've been waiting for an answer to that question since 1967. The short answer is that there is no reason at all to taint ourselves with the defense of neocolonialism.

Posted by: SageThrasher | June 1, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

What does the US gain by giving military aid to Israel?

Posted by: win_harrington | June 1, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

It's an 'alliance' in which our own president has no say.

Posted by: alientech | June 1, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

mr diehl israel killed nine turkish agitators.we have killed...... well mr diehl how many non combatants have we killed in iraq afghanistan pakistan somalia and yemen?

germany called in an air strike on afghan civilians and killed one hundred.no reaction.

Posted by: razor2 | June 1, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

The sage reporter wrote:

"If there were no cracks in the relationship with Jerusalem, Obama could join in the criticism, while quietly working to restrain the UN Security Council from a lynch-mob-style response, and without casting doubt on the willingness of the U.S. to defend the Jewish state from a growing multitude of enemies."
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But that may be precisely the point that the writer doesn't get. The opposition to Israel and everything it stands for is gaining support in the US, particularly among the young. President Obama has his finger on the throbbing anger slowly building among the American public.

The days of backing Israel, right or wrong, are coming to an end.

Posted by: francis4 | June 1, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Israel has taken advantage of many administrations in the U.S. We still send them millions of dollars every year and military aid to continue their endless wars.

They refuse to sign the NPT and we still send them aid. They refuse to stop the settlements and we still send them aid.

We are not their bank - if others like AIPAC want to continue funding Israel, fine, but stop sending Israel our tax dollars. We share the blame every time Israel makes another stupid move, as they did this time on the international waters.

Posted by: Utahreb | June 1, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

You've got to be kidding? Israel has dropped this on Obama three times now, and this one is a doozy!

After getting envoys kicked out of Britain and Australia, New Zealand etc over the misuse of their passports in a state-sanctioned assassination, now they've stirred up the populations of allied countries across the globe. And there's no hiding it.

Blame Obama if you like, but blame him for allowing a foreign nation to govern American policy, not for Israel's suicidal tendencies.

Posted by: icurhuman2 | June 1, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Diehl is unbelievable. Brushing past the obvious conclusion that Israel is out of control with a brief recognition that even the Israeli press can see this truth, he nevertheless reverts immediately to blaming Obama for the state of U.S.-Israeli relations. Let's look at Israel's track record in the last few years:
A: The barbaric invasion of Gaza in which hundreds of civilians were killed and civil infrastructure was clearly targeted for destruction. This move was itself predated by the unilateral Israeli decision to withdraw from Gaza with no plan in place for a transition to local rule. Chaos ensued? Who would have guessed.
B: The subsequent blockade which is a clear example of collective punishment of civilians for the actions of a few. This is a clear violation of international law, not to mention a frightening echo of Nazi Germany. More than half of all Gazans now live on less than $1 per day, and critical infrastructure such as water and sewer facilities are in shambles. Remember the tidal wave of feces that resulted when the waste-water treatment plant was left unrepaired?
C: The continuing refusal to abide by previous agreements to end settlement building on the West Bank, culminating in the announcement of still more settlements on the day the U.S. vice president arrived in the country.
D: Refusal to join talks aimed at creating a nuclear-free Middle East (and Shimon Peres' lie about Israel's sale of the bomb to apartheid South Africa in the 1970s.
E: This week's piratical attack of a ship in international waters. Considering that Turkey was Israel's only Muslim ally in the region, this is clear evidence of utter disregard for the interests of allies (if spitting in Biden's face was not sufficient proof already).
So go on, Jackson, tell us more about how this is all Obama's fault.

Posted by: troutcor | June 1, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

I see. Israel once again screws up, and Obama is in trouble. Just why Obama should be angling to defend the indefensible is unclear. Israel strains the relationship every more deeply, and WE have to bend over backwards to accomodate it? The disputes that Obama has had with Israel are not gratuitous, but mark the beginning of the parting of the ways between our national interests. Mr Diehl needs to remove his Israeli-hued glasses.

Posted by: glenerian | June 1, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

My dear Mr Diehl. Are you as confused as you seem to be here. Since when is it up to the United States and the President to "manage" the Israeli Prime Minister. Who exactly is the junior partner in this relationship us? No it is the insane government of Israel which in its current form is unable to manage its affairs with any semblance of decency and control. It is really quite simple --- cut the purse strings, cut the intelligence strings, cut the political cover strings, in short begin treating Israel like the criminal nation it has become and when the Israeli people figure out for themselves that they've elected the wrong guys and their continued cascade into ultra-right politics, dominated by hateful and spiteful religious fanatics is not to their benefit, then and only then might we see progress towards a peaceful two-state solution to this 60-year, multi-generational problem. This American combat veteran is sick of Israel; sick of the Israeli Ambassador to the United States strutting around with an American flag/Israeli flag pin on his lapel; and am sick of American politicians like Schumer, Cantor, Lieberman and their ilk who put Israel first and the Unitel are apparently unable unable to find and assign fault where it clearly lies --- with Israel.

Posted by: army164 | June 1, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

My dear Mr Diehl. Are you as confused as you seem to be here. Since when is it up to the United States and the President to "manage" the Israeli Prime Minister. Who exactly is the junior partner in this relationship us? No it is the insane government of Israel which in its current form is unable to manage its affairs with any semblance of decency and control. It is really quite simple --- cut the purse strings, cut the intelligence strings, cut the political cover strings, in short begin treating Israel like the criminal nation it has become and when the Israeli people figure out for themselves that they've elected the wrong guys and their continued cascade into ultra-right politics, dominated by hateful and spiteful religious fanatics is not to their benefit, then and only then might we see progress towards a peaceful two-state solution to this 60-year, multi-generational problem. This American combat veteran is sick of Israel; sick of the Israeli Ambassador to the United States strutting around with an American flag/Israeli flag pin on his lapel; and am sick of American politicians like Schumer, Cantor, Lieberman and their ilk who put Israel first and the United States second and are apparently unable or unwilling to find and assign fault where it clearly lies --- with Israel.

Posted by: army164 | June 1, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

The Jew haters of course are jumping in today.

Why should Obama join the feckless European dhimmi who revel in Israel-bashing ?

Like most of the Israel bashers they ignore the involvement of the increasingly Islamic and hostile Turkey leadership. The fact that one ship clearly seemed to be filled with extremist Turks armed and willing to attack the boarding commandos shows that this was a "staged" event.

Who knew peace-activists on the Left were so violent ?

If President Obama wants to show leadership.. he should condemn Turkey and the militant "peace-activists" who are trying to break an American-supported blockade of the terrorist Jew-hating Hamas regime.

It is time to SUPPORT Israel and oppose the violent pro-Islamist Left.

Posted by: pvilso24 | June 1, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

The NEO-Nazi post and it's israelie propagandist will be out in full force today! Israel attacked a NATO country, if we don't respond in kind we'll know who runs our government.

Posted by: obrier2 | June 1, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse


Foul!

The US needs to maneuver with the savage Israelis?

It's ISRAEL THAT IS OUT OF ROOM TO MANEUVER WITH ANYONE, ANYWHERE.

Diehl is beneath contempt. Why pretend to write from the American side? He clearly
doesn't.

Posted by: whistling | June 1, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

How to respond to Israel:
Simple: Cut off OUR TAX MONEY that is enabling this rogue state.

For the sake of all peace loving people in the world, including Israelis, this unconditional/unfettered support is a threat to World peace.

Posted by: KaneMan | June 1, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Some people abroad ships were looking to make trouble and they got what was coming to them. I think the less said the better. Obama handling of the economic mess could have been better and it looks like his foreign policy is about to go in the same direction. Obama may do one better than Bush in this case. We elected Obama for change. And sure enough we got change....things got worse.

Posted by: artg | June 1, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Diehl is trying to create his own reality, one in which Washington is permanently powerless to influence Israel.

In fact, Obama has not even begun to use the tools at his disposal. Starting with the purse strings.

Posted by: Bud0 | June 1, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

It seems that a tiny nation (Israel) dictates American policy -- instead of vice versa... Forget about 'conversations'... The U.S. simply needs to place conditions... "For each (Jewish) housing unit built in the West Bank, we cut your aid by $500,000; for each (Jewish) housing unit torn down or sold to a Palestinian, we increase your aid by $500,000." No 'negotiations' needed. Simply an ultimatum. And then the Israelis government can decide for itself how much American aid it wants.... Simple, impersonal, and a lot better than the incessant 'consultations' which lead nowhere....

Posted by: tbrucia | June 1, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Israel should be thrown out of the UN,ALL AID SHALL BE SSTOPPED from the USA,And their NUKES need to be TAKEN OUT,They are HOMICIDLE MANIACS..........Get those NUKES out of their HANDS PERIOD
=======================================Thathat wouldn't be very bright...I guess you think that Iran are choir boys now..They only want to wipe Israel off the map...How long do you think they would have existed if they didn't have the Nuke..

Posted by: micholina | June 1, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Another Israeli apologist column. This needs to end. Let the UN sanction Israel as it sees fit. It's time the foreign influence that Israel puts over this country be put to a stop.

Posted by: droops63 | June 1, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps if Israelis got rid of Netanyahu, they might have a better time dealing with the rest of the world. Only Diehl would blame Obama for Netanyahu's many faults.

Posted by: maggots | June 1, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

good morning,

Simply reduce our foreign aid to Israel! We cannot continue enabling Israel unconditionally, and then claim we are an "honest broker" between Israel and the Arab/Muslim world.

take care

Posted by: LulingRanchers | June 1, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Chutzpah. New definitions of...

Let's blame Obama for Netanyahu's actions! The most encouraging aspect of the entire column is the number of comments that say: "we're not drinking the kool-aid."

The President has much wider latitude for action, starting with ensuring that the United States joins the other nations of the world in unambiguously condemning this criminal act.

- John Paul Jones

Posted by: abutaza | June 1, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Many reports have been directly or implicitly critical of Israel's response to flotillas of activists, that resulted in killing several of the latter.

To dispassionate observers, such loss of life, and injury, could have been avoided if only activists and their supporters had been devoting their energies to building a better life for Palestinians and their children rather than to activities reflecting ultimately dysfunctional negativity.

Essay question for students of modern mid-Eastern history:

What factors appear to account for the differential development of stable social institutions and economic progress as between Israeli and non-Israeli factions, post-U.N. partition?

As one who has attempted to deal (informally) with that question, off and on, during that period, this "student" believes the principal factor lies in (a) an apparent unwillingness of non-Israeli factions to evidence love for their children that is at least half as intense as their hatred of Jews (Golda's analysis) compounded by (b) failure to exhibit desire and corresponding flair for building a productive economy in a peaceful, democratic setting.

If this view has any validity, attention and resources devoted to modification of the corresponding attitudes and behavior among non-Israelis should tend to lead to fewer incidents involving death or injury--without regard to faction.

And given the likelihood that vessels bound for Gaza may be carrying, inter al., weapons designed to be used by Hamas, et al., against Israel, could the latter be expected simply to let them proceed without interference? The answer appears to be obvious.

Israel is an endangered island of modern civilization in a raging medieval sea, or perhaps more topographically apt, an oasis of freedom in a desert of despotism.

Posted by: Gonzage1 | June 1, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

You think the isreali lobby will be broken? really

Posted by: gonville1 | June 1, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Don't be so sure that President Obama has "exhausted" his cards, with Netanyahu, or with Israel.

He has plenty of cards left in the deck, you can bet. The United States bankrolls Israel. Which means that there are some very important cards left to be dealt. And Obama's caution, in his initial response to the incident, was appropriate, given the lack of accurate information about what happened.

Netanyahu is his own enemy. This bloody incident, despite Israel's standard pleas of innocence, is the latest in a series of stupid moves by Netanyahu. President Obama would not even need a full deck of cards to take down an opponent who is playing this badly.

Posted by: paultaylor1 | June 1, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Why should there be such a thing as a "margin for quarreling with Israel"? Israel does nothing for the US that it should require pampering. Indeed, Israel's contribution is negative -- a cause of friction between the US and practically every other national government and foreign population in the world every one of which take a more clear-eyed view of this nuclear rogue state and its increasingly racist aggressive and oppressive activities. To cite just one example we certainly we need Turkey much more than we need Israel. It is long past time for the American government to pursue America's national interest, neocon traitors be damned.

Posted by: Adam_Smith | June 1, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

I'm confused - why do WE need to worry about how to deal with Israel? They're the ones who crashed the car into the tree - let THEM be the ones coming to Daddy America, keys in hand, to explain just how they'll go about paying for the repair bill.

Posted by: Marcus3 | June 1, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

What a surprise! Deihl finds fault with Obama. Obama always at fault. Israel always right. What else is new?

Posted by: Gondola1 | June 1, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse


If Obama were "more skillful in managing"
Israel?

If that's not the most disgusging excuse for the vile behavior of that savage state, what is? Although we heard some really snotty unbearable excuses since this outrage.

Israel does need a minder...it has proved again it CANNOT LIVE DECENTLY IN A WORLD OF CIVILIZED PEOPLE.

And although America IS all too responsible for letting that fetid entity
exist...who could handle them? They learn nothing.

Posted by: whistling | June 1, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse


If Obama were "more skillful in managing"
Israel?

If that's not the most disgusging excuse for the vile behavior of that savage state, what is? Although we heard some really snotty unbearable excuses since this outrage.

Israel does need a minder...it has proved again it CANNOT LIVE DECENTLY IN A WORLD OF CIVILIZED PEOPLE.

And although America IS all too responsible for letting that fetid entity
exist...who could handle them? They learn nothing.

Posted by: whistling | June 1, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse


If Obama were "more skillful in managing"
Israel?

If that's not the most disgusging excuse for the vile behavior of that savage state, what is? Although we heard some really snotty unbearable excuses since this outrage.

Israel does need a minder...it has proved again it CANNOT LIVE DECENTLY IN A WORLD OF CIVILIZED PEOPLE.

And although America IS all too responsible for letting that fetid entity
exist...who could handle them? They learn nothing.

Posted by: whistling | June 1, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

If Obama were "more skillful in managing"
Israel?

If that's not the most disgusging excuse for the vile behavior of that savage state, what is? Although we heard some really snotty unbearable excuses since this outrage.

Israel does need a minder...it has proved again it CANNOT LIVE DECENTLY IN A WORLD OF CIVILIZED PEOPLE.

And although America IS all too responsible for letting that fetid entity
exist...who could handle them? They learn nothing.

For the posters here screamaing "jew haters" and "anti semites"...wear yourselves out. Perhaps scream at yourselves.

Posted by: whistling | June 1, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

All monetary and military aide to Israel should cease immediately. The Israelis are terrorists and have now engaged in piracy and murder in international waters. The entire country is morally bankrupt and its leaders nothing more than criminals. And that's probably why they're so attracted to our republican party.

Posted by: Byrd3 | June 1, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

I think I must have been thirteen years old, just beginning High School, when I viewed the movie "EXODUS", with the beautiful song, " This land is mine God gave this land to me..." Today we live in a world where this land is Israel and surely the God of justice is supposed to be there for all mankind. Too many nations crying for global social justice, continue crying. Too few rich nations see the tears. When will the God of justice stop the tears?

Posted by: rozetz1 | June 1, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

What a piece of garbage this is! We "spent" our diplomatic currency when we protested the building of more settlements, and when the announcement of the settlements happened to coincide with a state visit by the Vice President, embarrasing the United States?

And we furthermore did ouselves a disservice when we tried to get Israel to sign on to a nuclear non-proliferation treaty - trying to get the area nuclear-free? Israel has been lying about their program for years, and we're just supposed to go along with the fable, rather than trying to do something about reducing arms in the area?

All of this leads poor Israel to wonder whether it has any friends any more? Israel is doing this to themselves. We should not defend them in this - we have become codependent where Israel is concerned and, like the codependent spouse of an alcoholic, keep letting ourselves get abused, and take the brunt while Israel continues on its insane ways, never having to deal with the consequences of its actions. It's time to step back and let them pay the price - a little "tough love." Maybe they'll come to their senses when they see that their actions have real consequences for them.

Obama needs to be strong in his response to them, and let them know that he will not defend them any longer when they do such things. Sometimes being a friend means telling the truth, and letting people deal with the consequences of their actions, rather than protecting and covering for them.

Posted by: garoth | June 1, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse


Oh! It's Obama's fault the world is
raging.

And WHY should America try to save Israel from the UN Security Council "mob lynch style" response to the outrage?

America should tie the know and kick the stool. In remorce for ever supporting Israel.

And the zionists in America should realize how this impacts them instead of demanding that America pander to the savage children of Israel.

Posted by: whistling | June 1, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Every country has its thugs. Israel's government is currently in the hand of some of its far out, native-born thugs. It's a shame. Obama needs to make sure the USA's image is not too tarnished by close association with such thugs.

Since the USA just emerged from thug rule itself during 2000-08 (and will presumably return to thug rule in 2012), I hope the current president is able to get something done with Israel before the country returns to its usual AIPAC-inspired policy of unqualified support for every extremist action by the revisionist Zionists.

Posted by: Matthew_DC | June 1, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

I feel sorry for President.He want to do someting good for America in foreign policy.But when he wants to make sense about Israel ,he is attacked by media.
They will say he is closet Muslim!

How many often the Israel government cannot respect its pay masters?The USA taxpayers.Every president has tried and failed.I doubt about Obama too.

I heard Congresswoman Shelley asked Obama to visit Israel!That was unimaginable,it seems that President of USA has to serve the people of Israel too.

Do you think HANNITY,LIMBAUGH,BECK and O REILLY and FOX news will say anything constructive about Middle East?

Posted by: TALL2 | June 1, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

To take the idea that long term US foreign policy positions of the US regarding settlements in the occupied territories, which includes Jerusalem, is a gratuitous spat is irresponsible and the comment of an Israeli lobbyist not a journalist. A President who has shown the courage to confront the Israeli government action is to be commended by Americans not condemned.

Posted by: teddy1 | June 1, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Tell them that if ALL the Arab nations decide to declare war on Israel today, they are ON THEIR OWN, GOOD LUCK! And mean it..

Posted by: Impeachbush99 | June 1, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

The question should be how to respond to the Traitors in the Democrat party.

Posted by: Imarkex | June 1, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Whichever side you happen to take in the whole Israel-Palestine question, why must America grovel to Israel to persuade it to do things in Israel's own interest?

If Netanyahu is truly determined to stand alone against world opinion, why not let him?

Posted by: doubleplusgood | June 1, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Is it possible to be a "critic" of Israeli without being an "enemy" of Israel? I've noticed that most commentators on Israeli issues always conflate the two.

Posted by: neel1 | June 1, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse


Diehl takes it for granted

that the US would try to stymie the UN
efforts to condem Israel...?


The Jews reallyy do think that no only do
they own the United States, America exists for their benefit. To clean up their
terrorist activities.

Time to stop it.

Posted by: whistling | June 1, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

"Edward Peck, former US ambassador to Iraq.

And

Ann Wright a US Journalist, former US diplomat and US Army Colonel with 29 years of service are among the 9 US citizens reported missing from the ships.

Both were supposed to be among those on the US registered Chalenger which was towed in to port in Israel and injured pasengers were taken off it but they are not listed among those taken off the Chalenger.

Several UK citizens that were suposed to be on the chalenger as well and are also reported as missing.

This amid reports that several bodies of dead pasengers were removed or thrown overboard from one of the ships."

Walker1 please provide authoritative citations for this claim.

On the other hand, the videos of "peace activists" beating on painball-armed Israeli commandos with heavy iron bars and stabbing them with knives tend to show that this entire situation was a setup by the Hamas terrorist supporters. The videos are far more conclusive than some empty claim as well.

Posted by: honorswar26 | June 1, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

This is how you respond:

Business as usual. Sorry, you had to defend yourself from invasion.

Next time, don't bother with the non-lethal weapons... just bring the big guns.

Need any help? didn't think so. good luck.

Posted by: docwhocuts | June 1, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

7 million people are controlling 343 million people in AMERICA.Evry President who to make sense in Middle East will be shunned and prosecuted by MEDIA,Right and Left.The last one was Jimmy Carter.
Obama is in weaker place.If does someting the Right wing media and Zionists will say he is MUSLIM.
The status quo will continue with America Taxpayers fundind and arming the state of Israel.

Posted by: TALL2 | June 1, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

The Obama administration has a problem with holding people accountable. The same thing is happening with BP in the Gulf.

Posted by: yampaco | June 1, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Here's how the superpower-client state relationship works: we say 'jump' and they say 'how high' unless they don't need our money or protection. In that case, have a nice life along with the rest of your idiot neighbors in the Middle East.

These people have gone native, decades ago. Time to wake up and smell US national interests.

Posted by: LosGatosCA | June 1, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Apartheid Israel has become a huge liability for the US and has been threatening world peace for decades.

By UN counts, this state that has been oppressing natives born in the wrong religion, holds the highest number of violated UN resolutions in the world and there is not a single human right organization, including Israeli ones, that have not accused it with war crimes.

Apartheid Israel has been occupying half of its population size by the use of military force for over 40 years.

How can anyone venture to call this a democracy? It is one of the most oppressive states in the Middle East and has become a de-facto rogue state.

Further more, a state that justifies its borders based on theology is not a secular state but a theocracy.

Gaza's population is mostly refugees and the Israeli are bent on chasing every single one of them until they "vacate" the lands (their new refuge) so they can import more settlers with the "right religion".

THe UN commissioner for refugees has remarked that Gaza is the only conflict area in the world in which the residents are forbidden from leaving during military operations.

The Israeli army surrounds the entire area and forbids anyone from leaving.

Because Israel is fighting a native population it conquered, collective punishment is an integral part of its military and non-military policies.


How can this be right?

Obama must do the right thing and stand to one of the great injustices of the middle east that has been going on for over 40.

Posted by: AbuNawas | June 1, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

It would be good for everyone - no matter where your heart lies in this dispute to recognize that the "Freedon Flotilla" was a step in the direction of non-violent civil disobedience. It didn't work real well, as there was some violent resistence, though relatively benign. In the end, this type of action will be the Palestinians' best avenue to justice.

Posted by: TPNCCT | June 1, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

I too am sick of laying the recalcitrant behavior of Netanyahu and his party at Obama's feet. Almost as sick as I am of hearing people like Diehl say Obama had launched "pointless and unwinable battles". What else could he have done except, in retrospect, be even more forceful than he was at time.

Clearly they were thumbing their noses at the US when they built the settlements, clearly Netanyahu did not believe Obama at the time. Now they have gone over the line, with provocative, belligerent, cruel and unnecessary force and Americans are missing! It is time for Obama to react forcefully: it is possible to love Israel and hate the policies of this government. Netanyahu and his band of craven, cowardly thugs can be repudiated without calling for the downfall of Israel.

I, for the first time, believe that it is time to seriously rethink our support of Israel. In this day and age we do not need to ally ourselves with a bully intent on causing trouble and not getting along with it's neighbors. The history aside, a moderate and temperate Israel is the only ally we should tolerate.

Posted by: joebanks | June 1, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

But I thought since we had a wonderful new relationship with the Arab world now, The obama could just do his magic talky talk and everything would be ok. Is this not true?

Apparently not. The obama is as bad in foreign areas as he is in domestic.

Posted by: bandmom22 | June 1, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse


Israel's huburis is only exceeded by it's arrogance. Their policies that control the Arab population would never be allowed to exist in the U.S. , simply because we fought a civil war that abolished slavery.

Americans have been, and are subsidizing Israel billions of dollars to maintain a system of goverment that is juxtaposed to the fundamental freedoms that everyone within the U.S. society supports.

Israels control of our ( i.e. U.S. ) financial & politcal institutions comprimise's the ideals that the U.S. people are lead to believe in. The media which is heavily biased , controls the political spin, and it is no secret to those who understand the influence's of the Geo Politcal theater.

Israel conducts itself as though they need not be accountable to anyone , they only "Restle with God " , which is what the name of Israel means. The rest of the world are just spectators, watching their inhumanity and corruption permeate the rest of the world.

I'm sure someone will invoke old holocostal rhetoric into substantiating their actions. However, the merits of this argument are about as unfounded as the seige against Cuba. Everyone in the world knows it's not about freedom , it's about revenge.

AS long as there is no peace, the Arms Dealers are economically codependant that no comprimise is a good thing, follow the money trail, and you find the villans.

Posted by: graymatter11 | June 1, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Diehl is very wrong. So tired of lies and the well-heeled liars who tell them!

People who travel overseas who are Americans or Israelis ought to know that they are now personae non grata.

The Israeli and American press, particularly, should be understood to promulgate lies from their respective Ministries of Truth.

The photographed small pile of "pacifists' weapons" included kitchen knives, sticks, and sling shots. The supposed smoke and fire bombs did not detonate.

From time immemorial seafarers have had a right to repel pirates with whatever they had at hand.

The Israeli pirates were cut from the same cloth as those who vandalized Rabbi Lerner's home (editor of _Tikkun) in North Berkeley, CA in early May. Their excuse is always that Israeli actions are made righteous by the concept of self-defense.

Anyone supporting Israel's actions should be held anathema. There can be no righteousness and no excuse for what has been and is being done to the Freedom Flotilla.

Zionists are a people without pity for anyone but themselves.

Posted by: dwyerj1 | June 1, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse


So, the Washington Post's answer to the Diehl's is
CENSORSHIP.

Matters little. It won't work. And it'll make good reading elsewhere.

And once again, why does Diehl think the US should try to keep the UN from condemming Israel with a "mob lynch style" response.

America should tie the knot and kick the stool. Everybody thinks so.

Posted by: whistling | June 1, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

It would be good for everyone - no matter where your heart is in this dispute - to recognize that the "Freedom Flotilla" was a significant step in the direction of non-violent civil disobedience. Agreed, it didn't work real well, as some of the resistence was in fact violent, though relatively benign. This type of action needs to continue, as the Ghandian principals of non-violence are the Palestinians' best hope to find justice. I think they will see that in the success of this as a media event.

Posted by: TPNCCT | June 1, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

During the sixteen months that Obama has been president, he has demonstrated that he an enemy to Israel and the Jewish people.

Why would Netanyahu cooperate with Obama when at every turn Obama is verbally attacking Israel and causing them trouble with the UN?

The problem here is not Israel, it is Obama.

Posted by: mike85 | June 1, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

You mention in your article that Israel attacked the Free Gaza flotilla. Where have you been? Only reading the Wapo? Try watching the numerous videos that show that Israel was attacked.

Posted by: shewholives | June 1, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

I'm sorry to see that one of the Post's editorial writers has not taken on board Israel's responsibility to get along with the American President.

This is a two-way street to the extent it serves American interests, and no farther than that. Israel needs the United States far more than the United States needs Israel. This means that any Israeli government is going to have to find ways to accommodate American actions that might be inconvenient from Israel's point of view, and also that this Israeli government in particular cannot expect to conduct itself as if American support for anything it might do belongs to Israel by right.

Mr. Diehl, as a friend of Israel, has a special responsibility to convey these realities to his contacts there. He isn't doing Israel any favors by carping at an American President for not accepting Israel's sense of entitlement when it comes to American support.

Posted by: jbritt3 | June 1, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Diehl is wrong about Obama. The root cause of the Israeli-Pakestinian impasse is the unsupressed Israeli ambition for territorial expansion. Obama was simply going to the heart of the matter in demanding that expansion halt. Obama is right: That Gordian Knot must be cut apart. And just stopping the expansion will be the easy part. It has to be reversed.

Posted by: Blivet1 | June 1, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

What a ridiculous nonsensical article. Can I have my two minutes back?

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | June 1, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

"The problem is that Obama has already exhausted his margin for quarreling with Israel"

Obama isn't the problem, Netanyahu is!

Posted by: jimjohnd | June 1, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Why do the heathern rage?when i read these talkbacks i am more convinced that the bible is correct in its prophecy.The lord fortold of the hatred that the nations would have for the Jews in this last day and even the destruction of the nations for trying to take the land from the Jews.In Ezekiel chapter 35 the LORD said HE will smash and totally destroy the nations that hate his chosen people ISRAEL.The Jews were a great help to the early colonies and they even raised monies and bought weapons and ships and fought on our behalf and helped bring victory to us and President Washington had the star of David put on our dollar bill because of that act,and that star is still put on every dollar thats printed.look above the eagle on the back of the bill above the eagle and there it is.look at all the inventions the Jews have made ,anti biotics,mri machines,nuclear bombs,laser teck,they are the top bankers in the world,they have more peace prizes and awards than any other people in the world and they gave us the no#1 selling book of all times which is the bible.yes you may rage against the Jew but you have your day coming.i read about the Israelis stealing the arabs land? look at the usa this is stollen from the Indians and mexico,whole tribes were massacred and countless mexicans died by this takeover so do we give this land back to its original people?how about giving Saudi Arabia back to the Jews?how about the Jordanians killing over 100,000 of those helpless palistianians and how about the syrian massacre of those palistianians?oh thats right its muslims killing musslims,what about the suicide bombers those are true muslims killing other good muslims.you haters of the Jews are showing your true nature and you're not being honest.every country the muslims go into therters war and destruction but the Jew brings prosparity and civility.if you hate the Jew you need to quit using their inventions and you will find your self poor and sick.

Posted by: shawnandowa | June 1, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

"Peace activists" do not beat soldiers with clubs if they are on a peace mission. Israel has the right to defend themselves. It matters not when the US abandons Israel, God's people will prevail. Read the Book, it has a great ending!
A voice in the wilderness!

Posted by: wakeup3 | June 1, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Haim saban, the rich jewish billionaire said the way to control america is by
1)making generous political contributions
2)start up "think tanks"
3)Buying american media companies, Mr. saban is currently buying newsweek.

Posted by: MumboJumboo | June 1, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

what if iran attacked the ships on international waters ?
the west is for human rights HAHHHAAHHA

Posted by: MumboJumboo | June 1, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Israel has provided decades of aggravation, irritation and at times near-catastrophe for the United States. And for what? They turn everyone they meet into an enemy and then they turn their enemies into our enemies. They leach money from our treasury. Our invasion of Iraq was largely a pretext for placing a semi-permanent U.S. military presence in the Middle East on behalf of Israel. And now they plan our next long-term military engagement in the Middle East: Iran.

Cut 'em loose... they are heading us toward annihilation right along with themselves. And we have enough problems of our own, including dealing with the Manic Muslims, without uselessly stoking said Muslims by letting Israel influence our political machinery through unregistered agents in Washington, DC.

Posted by: srb2 | June 1, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Shorter Jackson Diehl: If Obama would only suck Netanyahu's d*ck a little harder, we wouldn't be having these problems with the Israelis.

Clueless doesn't even begin to cover it.

Posted by: PeterPrinciple | June 1, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

walker1, where did you get this information that the Israelis threw bodies overboard?! What's your source?! Are you just making up lies of your own?!

Posted by: manicdrummer | June 1, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

I agree with most posters. Israel has near total control of our foreign policy in the middle east, which has been and continues to be vastly to our disadvantage. Any American politician who say the same is instantly finished. They know this, and therefore we cannot break the Zionist stranglehold on America.

They say Israel is a democracy. Only true if you are blind to the savage treatment against all international law, in their treatment of the enslaved Palestinians. They wiped Palestine off the map, literally. Gaza is literally a concentration camp for hundreds of thousands driven on pain of death from homes and homeland.

Israel is no democracy, it is a fascist nightmare state to the whole world.

Posted by: tarquinis1 | June 1, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Did this guy Diehl ever take jounalism classes? No? Okay that explains this blog Op/Ed, which has as much credibility as a tweet.

It isn't Obama's job to kiss up to Netanyahu, its Israel's job to kiss up to us. The last time I checked Obama is the most powerful man in the world. Netanyahu is only the PM in some dirt ridden part of the world.

Posted by: wlockhar | June 1, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

According to Diehl, Obama should have told Netanyahu he was "just kidding" about his statement in Cairo that the USA does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlement activity. The problem lies not with Obama, who is finally putting the slightest of teeth in long-stated US policy, but in Netanyahu, whose government is dominated by right-wing goons who think all Arabs are terrorists, the Jews should control all of "biblical Israel", and that the US is their lap dog to achieve their religious objectives.

I'm glad to see that the neocon dogmas about Israel being our "indispensable ally" no longer seem to be accepted as an article of faith. No, we are THEIR indispensable ally, and the only country who gives them military, economic, and diplomatic cover. After 8 years of Bush-Cheney doing whatever the Israeli right asked of them, Israel and their slavish supporters in the USA are waking up to a reality where the US President seems to care at least slightly more about US interests than Israeli interests. It's bizarre, indeed, but about time.

Posted by: jeff_andrews | June 1, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Diehl should move to Israel.

Posted by: chucke2 | June 1, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

In todays JPost Glick writes:

"AS TO the flotilla, the challenge it presented was nothing new. Israel has been confronted by suicide protesters for a decade now. The fact that these pro-Hamas activists intended to commit suicide to discredit Israel on camera was made clear by the fact that the Turkish organizers named the lead ship Rachel Corrie.

So too, the fact that IDF forces boarding the ships would be met by trenchant, violent opposition was knowable simply by looking at Turkey’s role in the operation.

First of all, the Turkish government-supported NGO behind the operation is IHH. As the US government, the Turkish government in the 1990s, the Investigative Project on Terrorism and countless other sources have proven, IHH is a terrorist organization with direct links to al-Qaida and Hamas.

IHH members have been involved in terrorist warfare from Chechnya and Bosnia to Iraq and Israel. The notion that IHH organizers would behave like radical leftist anti-Israel demonstrators on university campuses is simply ridiculous."

Turkey NOT Israel should be condemned.

Posted by: pvilso24 | June 1, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Well, here we go again with the Israeli Government !!

1. An egregious act of murderous aggression against innocent people.
2. Worldwide condemnation.
3. U.S. Government silence - the President is a wimp?
4. All kinds of 'anti-semitic woe-is-me, guilt, fear.
5. Emergency U.N. Session - economic sanctions.
6. Blame it all on the Taliban-Hamas.
7. Call for Mideast Peace Talks.
8. Cut another $2,000,000,000,000 check to Israel.
9. Upgrade their Navy/Air Force w/latest weaponry.
10. Blah blah, blah, blah, blah blah.....sickening !!

Posted by: cjackson3 | June 1, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Is it worth it to the United States to unequivocally support Israel at the expense of its own interests?

Posted by: sr31 | June 1, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

" The Israelis mishandled this. We are not them. They will continue to mishandle things until they actually see negative repercussions to their missteps.

Posted by: steveboyington | June 1, 2010 6:42 AM "

This is really to the point. We need to STOP our unconditional support of a country that slaps us in the face every chance it gets.

Just think these plans were made and ready to go even as plans were being made for BeBe's trip to Washington. Maybe they were thinking BeBe would have already had his meeting with Obama when they acted, really giving us the finger.

Something needs to change in this special relationship. It may even need to end.

Posted by: edismae | June 1, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

perhaps Dielh should move to Israel and help fill in the sea for new settlements.

Posted by: chucke2 | June 1, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

The Wshington Post is insane period. This train wreck of journalism should just close shop. Difficult Government?. What is the author, a grade school teacher? I suppose a compliant government is what you wish for in Isreal, like some suicidal government that would just open the door for the maniacs and supply weapons to them directly? The MSM and these hacks are nothing but gullible appeasers. Look at the damn information already out there on the "peaceful convoy" 600 People delivering Aid? Huh, bats, knives, slingshots and guns? IHH, the Death to Jews chants shouted by the "peace activists" as they set sail? Here is the response next time they send another, and you will find it and the peaceful occupants at the bottom of the sea. Islamist propaganda 101 and this gang here at the post eats it up. Deihl , do you need that gig at the Guardian or the BBC that bad. PATHETIC.

Posted by: skscottkeyes | June 1, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Jackson Diehl seems to be the Post's very own pro-Israel extremist. Now he says it's OUR fault, and especially Obama's, that Israel screwed up again! Unbelievable.

If Israel were to negotiate seriously and make hard compromises for peace with the Palestinan Authority, starting from the framework of the Saudi peace plan, the Gaza problem would be solved because the Palestine problem would be resolved. Even the outlaws in Gaza could not for long reject a serious, fair peace agreement negotiated with the PA; especially an agreement with the broad recognition of Israel that is offered by the Saudi plan.

The Bush administration insisted on holding the elections that elevated Hamas. Neither Bush nor the Israelis accepted the outcome of that election, which seems to have been conducted fairly despite its undesirable outcome. Israel pretty much immediately clamped down on Gaza, Hamas responded in the illegitimate ways that powerless groups often do, and here we are.

The mishandling of Israel properly should be laid at the feet of Congress, which has made it difficult (if not impossible) for us to insist on Israeli policies that mesh appropriately with our own interests. And also, it should be said, the mishandling of Israel can partially be credited to press propagandists like Jackson Diehl.

Posted by: redant | June 1, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

A convoy arrives in Afghanistan, carrying "notable" people and thousands of tons of supplies for the Taliban. They refuse U.S. Marines' demands that their cargo be inspected, and when Marines board their trucks, they attack the Marines and beat them. What would the US do?

Exactly what the Israelis did. Probably much more violently, I expect.

Israel is at war with Hamas. Mr. Diehl appears to have forgotten this. Hamas started that war with over 5000 rocket attacks, after -- I repeat, AFTER -- Israel unilaterally withdrew completely -- I repeat, completely -- from Gaza. Why should Israel permit uninspected ships to resupply Hamas?

Israel offered to let the supplies into Gaza AFTER inspection. The protesters refused, and attempted to run a blockade. Under international law, Israel acted 100% lawfully; in fact, it had the right to sink the ships entirely.

Posted by: rowerinva | June 1, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I think it's time to let Israel fend for itself.

Posted by: SarahBB | June 1, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Democracies don't act like Israel, which seems hell-bent on achieving international Pariah status.

It's time the U.S. recognize our national security interests do not align with Israel. We need to move on.

Posted by: HillRat | June 1, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Neocon wants us to take it on faith that the state of relations with Israel is all Obama's fault for not rubber-stamping everything they do. Maybe if they stopped to think once in a while before doing something stupid, we wouldn't have the tension that now exists. They don't to take terrorism lying down, but they don't need to indulge in in-your-face tactics, either. that starts with the settlement business and territorial gerrymandering.

Posted by: st50taw | June 1, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

The Harvard Man in the White House may have met his match with the MIT Man in Israel.

Posted by: frantaylor | June 1, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

"Quarrel?" "Wrest concessions?" Who's on top here anyway?

Enough.

For too long we've been tiptoeing around Isreal's self-serving view of reality and allowed them virtually unlimited latitude to stuff this view down the throats of the Palestinians. The fact is that Israel is living proof that those who have been abused tend to become abusers themselves.

Israel is in serious need of an attitude adjustment. And if we're not the ones to give it to them, who is?

Posted by: dhilleub | June 1, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Where is Hillary Clinton the so called 'smartest woman in the world' on this ??? She is obviously a total disaster as secretary of state !!!!

Posted by: killerm | June 1, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Israel has sunk to the lowest depths of any regime in history. If the US defends these atrocious activities, it becomes an accomplice - as if that hasn't already happened

Posted by: Kingofkings1 | June 1, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Why do we oppose the rest of the civilized world and support this rogue, apartheid state?

The United States would be much better off if it followed the lead of the rest of the civilized world and turned it's back on Israel.

Posted by: Andrea_KC | June 1, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

The problem in dealing with Israel is that U.S. presidents for the past 30 years or more have followed a pattern approved by Diehl - defer, don't criticize, continue the flow of bilions of dollars in aid without conditions, always treat Israel as the victim when it tries to suffocate Palestinians with walls and denial of aid, give tacit approval to more and more settlements.

Posted by: Irishvetter | June 1, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Re Jackson Diehl's misguided analysis: we, including Mr. Diehl I believe, are Americans; that is where our primary loyalty must lie. The Israeli government is dysfunctional, and this military operation was a complete botch -- that's their responsibility, not ours. To drag in a criticism of Pres. Obama here for mishandling Netanyahu is, to put it mildly, ludicrous. Really, Mr. Diehl: think harder, and try for once to erase your reflexive anti-Obama prejudices. If this is your best thinking, you don't deserve a public forum.

Posted by: Pragmatix | June 1, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse


Israel's moral superiority give it the freedom to do anything it want to whomever it wants without reprisal from anyone it respects. Anyone who criticizes Israel is labelled an anti-semite...


Posted by: demtse | June 1, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I did not vote for Obama nor for McCain. I wrote in a name. However, from day one I have watched Obama delight in using Air Force One, on practically a daily basis, gallivanting all over the world for photo ops. He also seems to delight in ramming through bills that the MAJORITy of Americans DO NOT WANT. The rest of the time he goes on dates with his wife, also often using Air Force One,or long weekends with his family. Most recent excursion was in the middle of the Gulf disaster and Israel creating havoc over there. I am sorry but I am just as enraged as I was with Bush's constant vacations - when you want to be President, your time is not your own if there is a crisis. We have millions of citizens out of work and one of the next things on his agenda is immigration "reform" and any thinking person knows exactly what that means. I am sick of it. Not a person in either party up there is worth a wooden nickel. How on earth do we get them out of there, constitutionally? The Supremes, the president and every last member of Congress.................who knows when I will ever vote again. For too long now there is not even been a lesser of two evils.

Posted by: nana1ellen | June 1, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse


Israel's moral superiority give it the freedom to do anything it want to whomever it wants without reprisal from anyone it respects. Anyone who criticizes Israel is labelled an anti-semite...


Posted by: demtse | June 1, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Great! another Jew explaining how America should "handle with care" an Israel Jew...

Hiatt shouldn't let his Jewish staff weight in too much on this delicate problem that Israel has put us in

When is Obama going to realized he is considered to be a muslim in the eyes of the Jews...And his biggest mistake was to make a Jew his Chief of Staff instead of an Irish!

Posted by: danders5000 | June 1, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Diehl thinks we should have been more timid in the past so that our wimpy little ration of outrage wouldn't have been used up so soon? That is an outrageous - and frankly un-American - attitude. Israel is a foreign nation, not the 51st state of the U.S. How about cutting off military aid to Israel? That might get their attention, and would be entirely appropriate.

Posted by: emjem1963 | June 1, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

It is not all bad news; God is proving Himself to be true. (Leviticus 26) There will be no solutions without increased problems until we turn to God to want His holy Sabbath days of no work and want His wisdom to save us from destroying our planet and our health. God has the solution for Israel-Palestine; and they and the government and religious leaders (and the people) of the USA and United Nations have refused it (since 1991 that I am sure of); and others have been calling for great repentance also.

God is not calling us from a peaceful garden paradise to bondage to lifelong employment. He has prepared the way to deliver us from lifelong employment that is causing world problems to a garden paradise lifestyle that solves the world problems easily, fairly, inexpensively, quickly and beautifully with that one strategy. We must become activists for God's truth AS WRITTEN. HE is our SAVIOR.

God is against nations joining together for protection, provision and control etc.;
He frustrates, confuses and destroys their plans (G-20, UN, EU, NATO, Quartet)
(Psalm 1 and 2, II Chronicles 16:7-12; 20:35-37; Leviticus 26, Isaiah 8:9-14; 30:1-7)

God is God over all the earth; no nation needs outside help. They only need faithfulness to God’s word given to their prophets. God destroys their plans so they know HE alone will be all we need.

In Leviticus 26, God promises if we obey, we get His blessings; if we reject His word, He promises to send "terror" and 4 x 7 curses. UNTIL we turn to Him in truth.

Posted by: MarieDevine | June 1, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

"...no cracks in the relationship with Jerusalem..."

AIPAC code for total US subservience to Jerusalem

Posted by: areyousaying | June 1, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

It's long past time to end ALL aid, financial, military and private, to that murderous band of treacherous parasites and if AIPAC or any other israel first group starts their crap, cut off diplomatic relations.

Never forget the USS Liberty and what our "ally" israel did that terrible day.

With "friends" like israel, who needs enemies?

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ussliberty.html

http://www.usslibertyveterans.org/

http://ussliberty.wordpress.com/

Posted by: rcubedkc | June 1, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Diehl is brought to you by AIPAC - America's Pro-Israel Lobby.

Posted by: areyousaying | June 1, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Obama's most cherished policies have to do with life here in the US and while we have to act as the world leader, since we have been for so long, our interests will be paramount in any situation. We will wind up carrying some water for Israel here, probably preventing any out and out condemnation by the UN, but this wasn't our mistake and we won't take any of the blame for it. Obama will do what he has to trying to keep the support of American Jewish voters, but in the end it will be Israel who has to resolve this fiasco.

Posted by: ThomasFiore | June 1, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Eff You See Kay Israel

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | June 1, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Bush knew how to leave "room to maneuver" with Netenyahu. But quite frankly, I, for one, appreciate having a president (finally) who won't kowtow to Netenyahu. In the meantime, Netenyahu will continue to sabotage any effort on the part of the Obama administration to work effectively with Israel, at least until Obama changes his ways (kowtows), or until a more malleable (easy to manipulate) president takes the reigns here in the U.S.

Posted by: kcooper35 | June 1, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Israel is the REAL rogue state. Iran and North Korea talk a lot, but don't kill people on a daily basis.
Israel commits crimes against humanity constantly because the US shields them. As long as we do so we will have terrorist threats.

We do not need Israel. The cold war is over. We do need Arab oil, their purchase of our bonds and their market for our exports.

If we cut off aid to Israel and impose the same sort of embargo they impose on Palestine and Gaza we will solve most Middle East problems and save money in the process.

Hank
Semper Fi

Posted by: marketeck | June 1, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

We are experiencing the worst wave of antisemitism since the Holocaust. It is coming from Europe, the Left, and the religion of peace. It is time to call out these vicous hypocrits who cloak their totalitarianism and antisemitism in a transparent veil of human rights propaganda.

Posted by: clairesolt | June 1, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

So Obama should not push Israel to sign the nonproliferation treaty because it would upset them?

Posted by: pathfinder12 | June 1, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

This is just another provocation from this Isreali Government bent on stealing land making as much war as is required for them to do so.
IF you want Isreal and Netanyahu to pay attention, just stop sending them money and arms! Indeed, if you want Netanyahu out of the Government, just cut relations and watch the Isrealis panick. Isreal has always counted on the U.S. Jewish population to restrain any attempts at reining in Isreali hawks and bringing about peace. I also don't buy this "they're our greatest ally" crap either, no Isreali soldier has ever died fighting for our (the U.S.) interests. I say cut all ties with both the Palestinians and Isreal and let them kill each other until they come to their senses or wipe each other out!

Posted by: jcd1946 | June 1, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

This is just another provocation from this Isreali Government bent on stealing land making as much war as is required for them to do so.
IF you want Isreal and Netanyahu to pay attention, just stop sending them money and arms! Indeed, if you want Netanyahu out of the Government, just cut relations and watch the Isrealis panick. Isreal has always counted on the U.S. Jewish population to restrain any attempts at reining in Isreali hawks and bringing about peace. I also don't buy this "they're our greatest ally" crap either, no Isreali soldier has ever died fighting for our (the U.S.) interests. I say cut all ties with both the Palestinians and Isreal and let them kill each other until they come to their senses or wipe each other out!

Posted by: jcd1946 | June 1, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

If Obama had any spine he would simply call Netanyahu and say "Bibi, bubbe, you are on your own from here on out. No military aid, no nothing!" But Obama won't do that because it will cause Lieberman and AIPAC to get the vapors.

Posted by: pblotto | June 1, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Diehl,

To think that Obama is the one who has blundered is insane. It is instead Israel's blunder. To think that the US will always beholden to it will be Israel's undoing. I hope Obama severs ties to force Israel to stand on its own, by letting it deal with the consequences of it's actions. Only then will is become a citizen of the international community and not the pariah that it is, and deserves to be.

Posted by: do-not-fear-the-truth | June 1, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

kcooper35, is right. The current Israeli leadership has been conducting itself with typical neo-con obstructionism and insult towards the United States.
The notion of a "bi-partisan" peace process that includes meaningful participation by all concerned parties has been thrown back in Obama's face. Think the announcement in Jersusalem of more building going on when our Vice President was there.
The situation is getting more dangerous because the Israeli leadership is getting more aggressive and more open about it.
Obama "mishandled" Israel because he won't go along with Israel's dictates to us.

Posted by: cms1 | June 1, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

The Free Gaza Flotilla was a publicity stunt designed not to provide humanitarian aid to Gaza but to provoke a violent confrontation in order to create exactly the international backlash that has occurred.

Israel gave them notice, offered to let them dock in Ashdod where the supplies could be inspected and transported into Gaza by truck and they refused. This proves their goal was not humanitarian relief but to break the blockade.

Israel should have just blown them out of the water and said to hell with it.

Instead they attempted to peacefully take control of the boats to take them to Ashdod but they were ambushed for the sole purpose of creating an international incident. The "civilians" that were killed are the same kind of human shields that Hamas uses all the time. They were willing to let civilians die in order to make Israel look bad.

Do you really think all those protests in Turkey and Europe were spontaneous.... that they just happened to have professionally printed English signs waiting around. Of course not. It was all part of the staged strategy. They knew a violent confrontation would occur because they planned it. And they had the protesters in place when it occurred in order to maximize the PR campaign.

To those who criticize Israel, I would simply ask what you expect them to do?

They should just let ships from anywhere dock in Gaza with whatever "supplies" they want without Israel inspecting them? Really? You actually believe those supplies would not contain weapons? Are you really that stupid.

I am consistently amazed at the patience Israel shows in the face of such overwhelming hatred and hostility.

Posted by: drbill21 | June 1, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

let me ask you something. what is the difference between the blockade in Gaza and the gettos in World War 2? some say israeli government doing this bcause of self protection. israel has some reasons to do it. so i say hitler had own reasons too. and he thought he was doing right. think about it. if there is a boat filled with 99 innocents and one criminal. it is rightful to destroy this boat with all of people in it to kill just one criminal? even if there is 99 criminals and one innocent you cannot destroy all of them. so self defence cannot be an excuse to force people living in hunger and suffering. i think israel learnt how to commit a genoside from hitler. what about you?

Posted by: oarslan99 | June 1, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

How?

By rolling back the pro-islamacist Obama doctrine

How?

By confronting the fact that the left is antiSemitic and their "outrage" is just a cloak for their true feelings.

How?

By dumping the democrats next November.

Posted by: georgedixon | June 1, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Diehl describes Israel's "own press" as being against the operation and selectively provides a link of some idiot who is obviously pro-Palestinian/Muslim.

For a reality check, visit the following...

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Article.aspx?id=177084

Posted by: Robster1 | June 1, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

We should respond to Israel by immediately cutting off all military and economic assistance. If Israel wants to be a rogue nation, then by all means they should be treated as one. Israel's actions were nothing less than murder and piracy in international waters. Israel has blood on its hands today.

Posted by: Byrd3 | June 1, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Wielding knives, iron bars: these were not peaceful protestors. They were Islamic fanatics from Turkey.

Israel should re-occupy Gaza.

Posted by: princeps2 | June 1, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Israel has us by the proverbial short hairs.

Posted by: elwoll | June 1, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Obama owes Nitwityahoo absolutely nothing! The US owes Israel absolutely nothing.

Diehl may be the most twisted of the neocon hacks over at WaPo, and that's really saying something.

Posted by: kurthunt | June 1, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Go Israel!!!!!

Defend yourself! Strike out against the Muslim savages!!!

Never apologize!

Posted by: Robster1 | June 1, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

The Israeli attack on a ship carrying humanitarian aid in international water can only be described as pirate activity. The responsible for the killings can only be the Israeli government who sent the troops. The american response to this is a shame. USA is the main sponsor of this terrorist state. Wake up!

Israel stands for occupation, oppression, murders on innocent people, building of the illegal wall, confiscation of palestinian property.

The blocade of Gaza must be brought to an and, as well as the occupation of the West bank. USA have a spesial responsibiliy as their main sponsor and supplier of arms and technology.

Posted by: olu-h | June 1, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

As soon as the spineless AIPAC lapdogs called congress come back off their break (yeah, Americans know how much they need and deserve it) you can be certain they will pass a resolution, with overwhelming support, that condemns the innocent victims who were murdered by the Israeli thug government.

Who says you can't buy votes in America?

Can't wait for that corrupt generation to get out of politics and off the Hill! That day is coming and younger Americans don't care one bit about the so-called "only democracy" in the Middle East.

In the mean time the immediate and correct response is for America to stop all forms of aid and assistance to the pariah regime called israel, recall its ambassador from tel aviv, and expel the fascist israeli ambassador and close down their embassy and consulates and replace them with memorials to the USS Liberty.

Posted by: rasterfreeart | June 1, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Wrong again Diehl! We have plenty of leverage with Israel if we are willing to use it. Cut off even some of the dole Israel gets from us and see how fast they hop to. But a mouthpiece like yourself would never dream of suggesting such a thing!

The main problem here is not President Obama, but the brothel we call Congress. They are beholden to AIPAC and others like them. It's this "amen corner" of Congress that needs cleaning up. We have plenty of leverage, if only we would use it.

Posted by: Desert_Fox | June 1, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

So, the US should have groveled in the past so that it would have room to push Netanyahoo (couldn't resist) on this?

Posted by: JakeD3 | June 1, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

so how is israels behaviour different from the nazi's, it isn't.

Posted by: calif-joe | June 1, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I do not agree with the assumption that Obama, or the United States is required to carry Israel’s water for them. These missteps are Israel’s missteps, not ours.

Posted by: Provincial | June 1, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

The onus is on the Israelis government to mend the gap in relations with the US and not the other way around. If they want big brother (US) to give them any sort of legitimate standing in the world's stage.

Posted by: SpecTP | June 1, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Memo to Israel: We are your allies, but never (ever) interpret this to mean we are your friends.

When push comes to shove in a world that prefers you dead, the US may or may not come to your aid.

That said, while the phrase "Never Again" might be written in blood in your country, it is a foreign concept in America. You are wise to remember this if and when the going begins to get really rough over there.

And so it goes...

Posted by: pgould1 | June 1, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

'how to respond to israel' ...


easy -- 3 quick steps:

close the checkbook;
investigate and prosecute all israeli spies that have infiltrated government agencies;
ignore neocons -- both media and congressional -- whose allegiance is to israel and not to this country.

Posted by: mycomment | June 1, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

momentum is finally growing - cut israel loose - and leave them to their own devices - and perhaps this country can finally select a foreign policy which addresses the needs of the united states, and not that of israel. they are NOT one and the same!

Posted by: karadayis | June 1, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Since it is clear that he will be a one term President. Obama doesn't have to worry about confronting the Israeli government about the most recent stupid action. If there was any chance he could be re-elected he would have to fear the influence of Jewish money in the 2012 election.
For those of us who view Israel as a friend the future looks bleak. As the US loses world influence it will not have the ability to defend Israel. Over the last 30 years Israel could have made friends among the Arabs who surround them. Instead of applying a policy of "ethnic cleansing" towards the Palestinians Israel could have shared the prosperity of Israel. They could have benefited from the labor of the Palestinians and helped them prosper. Instead the Israelis have promoted hatred and division and impoverished the Palestinians. Now, if Israel has any friends in the region, those friends must remain silent. Israel is now controlled by religious extremists just as Iran is so controlled.

Posted by: murphyjim41 | June 1, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Under Netenyeehaw, we should abandon Israel. Sink or swim(pun intended)!

Posted by: KJR1 | June 1, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

And so it continues. Israel learned long ago that they can act with impunity regarding negative consequences from the US.

Long ago? In 1967 Israeli planes and torpedo boats attacked the US Navy's Liberty in international waters, killing 34 Americans and wounding another 141. There were no repercussions.

So not so surprising that the US is again trying to shield Israel from the consequences of another ill-conceived attack.

As I wrote...it continues.

Posted by: seahawkdad | June 1, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Obama has plenty of room to maneuver: about $2.4 billion's worth in foreign aid.

Posted by: 3rdWay | June 1, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

"The problem is that Obama has already exhausted his margin for quarreling with Netanyahu."

What does it exactly mean? Why is that? Are we a sovereign country or are we just another Jewish state?

Posted by: kevin1231 | June 1, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

oh, such crap!

what is this, a marriage to be cherished and protected against strains?

this is a relationship between two sovereign states.
the u.s. doesn't owe anything to israel. it's the other way around. so obama should just stop acting like a prostitute and remember he is the president of the richest and most powerful country in the world.

Posted by: football-loving-foreigner | June 1, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

This was a staged event. Some of the protesters were carrying knives and guns. They intended to gain sympathy for their cause by provoking an incident. Israel deserves no condemnation for acting to defend her people.

Posted by: ladyliberty1 | June 1, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

"How to respond to Israel"


How? A Standing Ovation, that's how.

Posted by: jblast2000 | June 1, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

What? You make it sound like Israel is the center and we are the satellite state. Excuse me, but the state of Israel exists at the pleasure of the United States. America need not tiptoe around out of fear of upsetting any Israeli administration, especially one as lawless and stupid as this one.

Posted by: aardman | June 1, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Most of the respondents here are correct here in challenging Diehl’s backward account of responsibility. It is hardly Obama’s fault that Israel has continued building provocative settlements. It is hardly Obama’s fault that Netanyahu is doing everything he can to isolate Israel from the rest of the world. Whatever domestic political gains he expected to achieve from this is massively outweighed by the damage he has inflicted by intensifying the hostility of Israel’s enemies and weakening its bonds with its friends.

However, the intensity of the reaction against Israel also goes well beyond what is justified by this event. First, the number of deaths is very small compared to the violent deaths being caused by aggressive nations and parties elsewhere in the world that receive nothing like this kind of attention and outcry. Second, the “attack” itself does not seem to have been as violent and aggressive as the portyrayals would lead us to believe. The flotilla was itself a provocation. It refused the option of offloading at an Israeli port for delivery of goods to Gaza. It openly challenged the Israeli blockade of Gaza, where Hamas continues to get what it needs to launch its futile attacks against Israel. We will have to wait until all the facts come in to know exactly what happened, but we have video and testimony now and the facts seem to be these. IDF forces were lowered from helicopters onto flotilla ships, hanging in the air on ropes, fully vulnerable, not firing weapons and not supported by weapons fire from other ships. One claims to have been armed with a paintball weapon to be used first as a warning, and then with a live weapon in case thing went wrong. Things went wrong. Members of the flotilla attacked the soldiers who were landing and the battle was on and the tragedy ensued.

Israeli leadership failed in a devastating way for walking into this, just as it continues to self-destruct with its settlement policy. However, in this case, it took two to tango. A provocative flotilla with a violent response to being intercepted by blockade forces was an essential part of the act.

These facts are hardly justification for the wholesale and vituperous denunciations of the State of Israel, within which there is powerful criticism of its government’s foolish and destructive actions.

Posted by: zzhermes11 | June 1, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Oh, really? What cards does Israel hold exactly, beyond the waning influence of AIPAC? There's a huge middle ground between supporting Israel's existence, something the US is almost alone in doing, and indulging every whim of its right-wingers. There is no reason at all why we should pay for their crashed car.

Posted by: csdiego | June 1, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

I don't like terrorists. These terrorist supporters should feel glad the Isaelis caught them and not me. They would still be swimming if I had my way.

Posted by: carlbatey | June 1, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

It is clear that Obama is going to go against Israel in this circumstance.

The puzzling thing is 78 percent of Jewish voters voted for Obama.

Despite Jewish support for him, Obama will not support Israel.

Posted by: cpameetingbook | June 1, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

The problem with this article has little to do with who was right or wrong in the engagement that occurred, it is a problem of balance between the US and its allies. Since when does the leader of a powerful nation of 350 million "exhaust his options" with an allied nation of 7 million that is almost totally dependent on the larger nation for its defense? The onus for fixing the relationship is clearly on the Israeli Prime Minister or the tail is very much wagging the dog.

Posted by: mgferrebee | June 1, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

These terrorist supporters should still be swimming

Posted by: carlbatey | June 1, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

When American Jews take the handcuffs of American Presidents, and, realize that their country is not Israel, but, is the United States of America, then, and only then, will Obama and future American presidents have the space to deal effectively with Israeli stupidity.

Posted by: vinceporter | June 1, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

The Diehl point of view is patently ridiculous. Why does Obama have to cater to the irrational acts of Netanyahu. The pro-Israel lobby would have us believe that the US interests are so subservient to Israel that the president of the US is duty bound to pay homage to that 'special relationship' regardless of how it impacts its national security interests and standing in the world. The only superpower in the world is seen as an Israeli puppet in many parts of the world when it consistently demurs even when Israel goes beyond all rational limits. The two most recent examples are the faked passports scheme to assassinate a pro-Palestinian activist in Dubai and now the fatal attack on a peace flotilla.

Mr. Diehl should be ashamed to ask president Obama to kow-tow to Netanyahu and his ultra-rightist regime. There is a point when pro-Israel sentiments do not serve US national interests and people like Mr. Diehl should learn to discriminate rather than demand that we follow an irrational policy to the penultimate limit.

One would also like to pose Mr. Diehl the following question. If the situation were reversed and 10 Israelis had been killed on the high seas by Turkish commandos would he be advising Mr. Obama to mend fences with the Turkish prime minister or condemn the actions in clear terms. We have come to accept this double standard as routine. It is morally corrosive and serves no national interests. We will continue to blunder in our policies because of this basic wrong perpetuated by people like Mr. Diehl.

Posted by: drne | June 1, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Netanyahu is Israel's Bush, Israel's Ahmadinejad....

"The most significant action Israel could take to demonstrate good faith would be a settlement freeze." - President Reagan 1983

... over and over Israel spits in America's face... under GWB's Roadmap to Peace and again today with the Obama administration ... it's clear that the right-wing extremist Zionist do not want peace!

The New Israel Lobby
The Israel lobby had succeeded in ruling almost any criticism of Israel out of bounds, especially in Congress. “The bottom line,” Mearsheimer and Walt wrote, “is that Aipac, a de facto agent for a foreign government, has a stranglehold on Congress, with the result that U.S. policy is not debated there, even though that policy has important consequences for the entire world.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/13/magazine/13JStreet-t.html?hpw

Posted by: kkrimmer | June 1, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Why should the United States try to prtect Israel from enemies it has worked so hard to cultivate? More importantly, why do you blame America for not being able to make Israel something other than the rouge nation that it is? America cannot make Israel something it does not want to be.

Posted by: anders1 | June 1, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

If you're an American tax payer, your tax dollars helped pay for the bullets and the guns used to kill those 9 people.

Posted by: CHICO13 | June 1, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Acting like we're Israel's father or, at the very least, their big brother, is patronizing to both sides. Would there be any situation in which we would be disallowed to disagree with the UK because we'd already disagreed with them once this week? While they're in a precarious location to be sure, and while obviously we prefer for strategic and moral reasons that they not be taken over, Israel is a sovereign nation. They made a decision regarding the flotilla - a decision that's being condemned merely by virtue of the parties involved rather than the situational facts - and our reaction to it should be based on *our* policy and *our* beliefs, not based on whether or not we think Israel can handle being "dissed" by us twice in one month. Talk about ridiculous.

Posted by: twwtheovaloffice | June 1, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Jackson Diehl, Charles Krauhthammer and the rest of the Likudniks who have been opining from the pages of the Washington Post for many years have obfuscated when necessary, blustered when they thought they could get away with it and now Mr. Diehl apparently sees himself as Mr. Manners. What never appears in Mr. Diehl's writing is anything faintly approaching analysis. Seldom are salient facts to be found about the dreadful circumstances that have prevailed in Gaza under siege or even facts that might add some verisimilitude to the obvious sympathy he feels for the people of Israel. What we get instead is pure propaganda designed to do whatever works best at the time to advance the cause, not of Israel itself, but of the most racist war mongering faction in Israeli politics. Mr. Diehl and the Washington Post owe the nation an explanation of how this approach illuminates a way out of the mess we are in, (which includes increased risk to the troops in harms way in countries that now seethe in the wake of this last atrocity), or in any other way serves the national interest. Mr. Obama has disappointed with his pusillanimity in the face of Israeli intransigence but Mr. Diehl and his fellow travelers have no credibility on this issue with any reasonably well informed observer.

Posted by: northwind1 | June 1, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Why would the US have to manage relations with Israel? We give them billions to survive. We should demand a two state solution or treat them like any other country. Forget the "special relationship."

Posted by: tk1123 | June 1, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

The belief that US needs Israel among its allies without conditions is a hoax and completely misplaced.Israel's continuous misconduct especially under this fascist-Netanyahu- is embarrasing and only damages the credibility of the US in providing international leadership. Mr. "BO", endeavor to be different.

Posted by: adambabatu | June 1, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

hey "jackson",

just wanted to drop you a line and ask you to actually read the comments on your article in some detail. i think it will show you how badly you have been exposed as a shill and a mouthpiece for israel. you and the other members of the Fifth Column of traitors in our society are becoming easier and easier to identify and expose.
pretty soon the talking points that you receive from your masters will only be heard and believed by a minority of religious wingnuts waiting for the Rapture as well as our uncounted "dual citizenship" americans. don't worry though, you have a resident "dual" guy in the white house and his name is rahm :)

Posted by: mto1 | June 1, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

-13 out of 100 Senators are Jews
-32 out of 435 House of Rep are Jews.


In Britain:
22 out of 650 MPs are Jews!They are just 350000 Jews in UK out of 61 million people.

The Speaker is a Jew
The past 2 Foreign Sectretaries were Jews!
The current Foreign Minister is a Jew.

You cant do anything to ISRAEL

Posted by: TALL2 | June 1, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

It is clear that Obama is going to go against Israel in this circumstance.

The puzzling thing is 78 percent of Jewish voters voted for Obama.

Despite Jewish support for him, Obama will not support Israel.

Posted by: cpameetingbook | June 1, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

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I think it is pretty clear to me - the majority of American Jews support Israel, but they do not support the current Likud government. The flotilla fiasco is just another example of their incompetance and stupidity.

Posted by: maggots | June 1, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

How on earth does this guy get a column in the Washington Post?

And how on earth does this moronic piece wind up in the featured spot?

Mr. Diehl, newsflash -- Obama is not mishandling Israel, Netanyahu is mishandling us. He's gonna wind up with a country that has 3 billion less in military aid and no friends while surrounded by enemies if he keeps this up.

Posted by: tombrady | June 1, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Why has the U.S. unconditionally supported Israel? I don't see the benefits of our support flowing back to Americans. Our unconditional support has gotten us in 2 wars and continuallly damages our credibility with the vast majority of the world. That seems like a really bad investment. Maybe we should stop bailing them out, stop arming them, and let them solve their own problems.

Posted by: desertdog1 | June 1, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

-13 out of 100 Senators are Jews
-32 out of 435 House of Rep are Jews.


In Britain:
22 out of 650 MPs are Jews!They are just 350000 Jews in UK out of 61 million people.

The Speaker is a Jew
The past 2 Foreign Sectretaries were Jews!
The current Foreign Minister is a Jew.

You cant do anything to ISRAEL

Posted by: TALL2 | June 1, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

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This has nothing to do with how many Jews are in the British or American governments - that attitude is anti-semitic, plain and simple. It has to do with the number of stupid people who are currently running the government of Israel.

Posted by: maggots | June 1, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

The United States needs to address the fact that this flotilla's purpose was not so much to deliver aid as it was to force Israel into a confrontation, which, of course, it did. If aid was the be all end all in this situation there were other ways to go about it, let us be realistic when looking at this situation.

Israel has Gaza blocaded for a reason, a very good reason as concerns their defense of their State against weapons deliveries and possible attacks by the Hamas Government of Gaza. Their blocade is not for the fun of it, it is not simply to get in Hama's face, Hamas tries everything under the sun to get weapons, to store rockets in their comfy tunnels while aid is also not the first priority of the Hamas Government either. If is was then the citizens of Gaza would have much more than they do.

So, let us all take a breath and tell everyone to quit the drama and face the facts. This is just another ploy to make Israel the "evil doers" and the flotilla folks the sad and sorry victims once again.

Yes, there are people killed as a result of the flotilla's bad idea in forcing a confrontation with Israel. But then again this kind of confrontation always brings with it death and dying and both sides know that from the start.

Breathe, just breathe.

Posted by: rannrann | June 1, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

The problem is that Mr. Diehl thinks there is a margin to exhaust between allies.

Posted by: the1joncook | June 1, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

The Israeli government is out of control. Cut of the billions in foreign aid we give them.

Posted by: jckdoors | June 1, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

"Twice the president chose to launch pointless and unwinable battles to freeze Israeli settlement construction in Jerusalem."

Bush I got into just such a spat with Israel and won when he suspended US tribute to Israel. Obama is losing only because he fails to stand up for the USA and instead prostrates himself to Israel and The Israel Lobby.

Posted by: Garak | June 1, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

This is a ridiculous premise. You seem to be saying that if we hadn't objected to illegal settlements we'd be better positioned to object to current illegal activity. Why object to the one if you don't object to the other? Total nonsense. Gaza is like one of Dick Cheney's hunting preserves. Where else in the world is there a total naval blockade like Israel is imposing on Palestine? It's not an internationally sanctioned blockade. Israel is an aggressive, brutish thug of a country and we have no business supporting them in any way. It is a bigger threat to world peace than even N. Korea or Iran and is known to possess nuclear weapons in contravention to international law.

Posted by: tm13 | June 1, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

It is astonishing to see USA is slave to AIPAC and CRIMINAL ISRAEL Govt.

How is it possible?. I see TALMUD all over again in this.

Jews can kill Gentiles(non jews) anyway they want and will be rewarded.

World become talmud.

Impotent Shameless begger USA.

I never see a coward Super power ever!. This is really pathetic.

If i am Iran i would buy off as much nukes from russia protect itself.

Because justice do not exist with USA or Israel.

I only see Victor's justice even if it is immoral.

Mulims are evil..almost like two sides of same coin along with israelis and AIPAC.

Posted by: Alexk2 | June 1, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

I thought we should have pulled our ambassador out of Israel when they snubbed Biden and suspended all military contacts. I also believe that if they attempt to overfly Iraqi airspace to bomb Iran while the US is patrolling it their planes should be downed with prejudice. Considering the amount of military hardware and political support they receive from the US they have been less than grateful the last few years.

However, these ships tried to run a naval blockade. They are blockade runners. Generally speaking, blockade runners do not announce their intent as it makes running the blockade that much more difficult. Regardless, they are lucky they weren't sunk. That is what Israel should have done. If you want to deliver supplies to Gaza you go through the Israeli procedure. If you want to run the blockade you risk being sunk. If you want publicity you sail up to the line, get warned and then turn back. But I have no sympathy for a blockade runner who complains they got shot at or killed.

Posted by: caribis | June 1, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Netanyahu is a strong advocate for his Nation among hostile anti-Israel forces. Thank God for the American Jewish ties to Israel and pray that the Obama administration will have the courage to treat Israel with international justices.

Turkey's Ahmet Davutoglu and pro-Palestinian Nations need to get their act together and the U.N. needs to put them in their place. Turkey’s Davutoglu urged the U.N. to condemn the Israel act of aggression and punish those responsible.

Give Israel a chance to conduct a credible investigation before Arab Muslim Nations go off “half cocked” to condemn Israel.

From the video released, the pro-Palestinian activist attacked the Israeli naval commandos who were doing their job to inspect a ship according to the rules of the blockade of the Gaza Strip. It looks like a clear case of self defense by naval commandos.

Why is Turkey lasing out at the Obama administration? Perhaps Obama made to many diplomatic promises of U.S. taking a pro-Palestinian position against Israel.

If the U.N. wants to condemn a Nation, Security Council should direct comments to North Korea, Kim Jong Ill for his Communist Samurai sword “rattling” and blatant torpedo attack sinking a South Korea ship kill over 40 Koreans.

Posted by: klausdmk | June 1, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Lets say BILL clinton leading the ship floatilla with food and water for Gaza , I am sure Israelis will KILL OFF BILL clinton at first sight.

They have only one way. Kill all non jews it does not matter who they are.

World is bending down at AIPAC and Israels with FEAR.

I said lot of people Israel is real super power not america and no one believed me.

Now world understand Israel is the evil super power , obama and the servants are just AIPAC's slave people doing Israel's dirty job.

Most american do israel's dirty war. It is really pathetic and atrocious.

Posted by: Alexk2 | June 1, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kurthunt | June 1, 2010 11:53 AM |

Obama owes Nitwityahoo absolutely nothing! The US owes Israel absolutely nothing.

Diehl may be the most twisted of the neocon hacks over at WaPo, and that's really saying something.
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In fairness to Diehl, Hiatt and Krauthammer haven't weighed in yet. There is time yet for Diehl to be only the third worst Israeli apologists on staff at WaPo.

Posted by: army164 | June 1, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kurthunt | June 1, 2010 11:53 AM |

Obama owes Nitwityahoo absolutely nothing! The US owes Israel absolutely nothing.

Diehl may be the most twisted of the neocon hacks over at WaPo, and that's really saying something.
_____________________________________

In fairness to Diehl, Hiatt and Krauthammer haven't weighed in yet. There is time yet for Diehl to be only the third worst Israeli apologists on staff at WaPo.

Posted by: army164 | June 1, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I will do only one thing. Cancel all dual citizen passport to all israelis living in USA and working against USA.

And remove AIPAC.

HAHAHA. Never happening!. We all know Mozzad worked in FBI/CIA killed JFK.

How long before Israel organize another assasination on OBAMA.

OBAMA has to be careful with Israelis and send extreme Liberal jew as a mediator. Because they can balance hawkish nitanyahu some what.

Hillary clinton is just angry all the time. Netanyahu do not respect any non jew.

Netanyahi is a talmud follower.

Period.

Posted by: Alexk2 | June 1, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kurthunt | June 1, 2010 11:53 AM |
Diehl may be the most twisted of the neocon hacks over at WaPo, and that's really saying something.
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In fairness to Diehl, Hiatt and Krauthammer haven't weighed in yet. There is time yet for Diehl to be only the third worst Israeli apologist on staff at WaPo.

Posted by: army164 | June 1, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I am astonished by people's ignorance of Hamas terrorist in GAZA firing rockets in to Israel.

You people should understand who gains if there is perpetual WAR?. Israel.

How then they have reason for blockade and kill of children because of mal nutrition and grab the land.

How do you think hamas get weapons? Mozzad supply them as iranians.

They give and capture weapons. Israel play the game both side to get world public opinion towards them

As long as AIPAC and ISRAEL exist , there is will be perpetual WAR , if not palestenians , then it will be iran , pakistan , russia and china.

Without enemy world will start to look at Israel's atrocities without distraction. They know it. That is why israel always keep creating the problem so you do not see the "core idea" of Jews. World domination!.

Ofcourse Islam also wants to dominate world through population and fear.

It is just that Jews believe in eliminating non jews as long as they are not slave to their plan more than muslims.

People must understand USA was never a super power , it is israel that was super power. USA is a proxy run by Jews


Posted by: Alexk2 | June 1, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

President Jimmy Carter had it right, and warned us.
So long as we continue to give what the World now recognizes as Neo-Nazi, atomic power Israel 100% support . . . . Thanks to the Israeli Lobby, Chuck Schumer, Joe Liebermann, and Joe Biden (and Pat, the ingnorant, Robertson), we can forget any hope of Peace in the Near East.
Both Israel and our own Far Right Christian fundamentalist Bible thumpers are pushing us toward a horrible War (that will have strong "religious war" underpinnings)!
MADNESS !!!!!

Posted by: lufrank1 | June 1, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Most of these responses are written by the most hypocritical, self-serving swill in America.

Where was your outrage when Iran shot and killed hundreds of its own people last year? What rocks were you under when Hamas fired 8,000 rockets into Israel and yes, killed some Israeli citizens and foreign workers? Where were your voices when Darfurian women were raped and children beheaded? Where were your consciences when 1,000 Israelis were blown up by terrorists from the West Bank and Gaza?

But when Israel fights terrorists and miscreants for its very existence, you negate your self-imposed silence and scream about Israeli injustices. How noble.

Anti-Judaism, anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism are alive and well in the USA, and most of you have proved it.

Posted by: airheads | June 1, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

The pathological liars who staged the lynching are to blame.

You are just another, in a long line of pathologically lying journalists employed by the genocidal tyrants of the world.

From Walter Duranty to you. A proud lineage.

Posted by: gorak | June 1, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Hamas gets rockets because Israel wants hamas to fire rockets into israe. Mozzad provide them as iranians.

Don't you people see that?

If there is a war who gain?. Israel.

All Israel need a rason to wipe out palestenians. They use palestenians anger for the occupation as a tool and supply weapons so they use against israel.

Any man with common sense understand that.

Israel is not Holy people. They are most sadistic land grabbers.

If they done with palestenians they take over egypt , jordan and lebanon.

Israel never had existance. It is all humbug.

I was strong supporter of israel until i realize the real goal of Israel is Perpetual WAR! And use american lives for its own gain in all wars.

I am more anti israel than anti jew. I won't mind all israeli jew move to montana.

It is better that way.

Then all non jew americans will be treated like palestenians. hahaha. That was funny.


Posted by: Alexk2 | June 1, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Diehl is an absolute idiot who should be given a one way ticket to Tel Aviv. What
AIPAC hack sets the margins in his mind ?
Obama was right in his tepid criticism of illegal Israeli expansionism but the problem is he never follows up on any actions which mean anything. Israel is an outlaw, rogue state and needs to be treated as such. If Diehl had any integrity he would focus his criticism on
Nuttyahu and the Likudniks.

Posted by: mike_hardesty7 | June 1, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

airheads wrote: "...Where was your outrage when Iran shot and killed hundreds of its own people last year?"

I'm all for sanctions against Israel. I'm actually pretty fed up with the fact that 1/3 of all US foreign aid goes there. By the way, nice comparison of the actions by Iran to Israel...you are correct, they are very similar.

Posted by: 123cartoon | June 1, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

What a bunch of tripe. If we cut off their money and military aid you would be surprised how much more we could say to them. The problem is the complete capture of our political system by monied intersts APIC being one of them.

Posted by: jhadv | June 1, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

This is Open Treason. It is so visible. Look at how we are responding to this event. A cautious response to this latest fiasco? We have 444 members of Congress that have signed a letter of undying support for Israel. A foreign nation. They are so open about this support for Israel because they think the American public is stupid. The Pro-Israel media in the U.S. is helping with this propoganda. This really has to stop. Sensible Americans need to rise up and vote them all out. Our officials won't even condemn these terrible actions. The country so concerned with Human Rights for all won't even acknowledge the genocide being done to the Palestinans in Gaza. It's ridiculous. What kind of nation are we that we don't know right from wrong. Our hypocrisy along with many other things will be our downfall. Hopefully, we can save ourselves before it's too late.

Posted by: mackmendoza | June 1, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Bibi Netenyahu is a Yahoo of the first order, a freakin' criminal who thinks he can bully the USA, the Democratic Party, and the president into kissing his butt for fear of a mass exodus of American Jews to the Yahoos of the GOP and its Neo-con foreign policy elite.

Diehl gives up the ghost when he admits that Bibi is being excoriated in the Israeli press, as are the Israeli right wing's gangster expanionist policies every single day, while, according to Diehl and his ilk, criticim of Bibi from any American is tantamount to anti-Semitism, and criticism from any Jewish American is to be written off as irrational Jewish self-loathing.

Well, from the bottom of my heart and from the depths of my soul Israel has the right to exist. It even has the right to exist when it makes tragic errors, be they of judgment or execution. But that does not make Israel and its present leadership immune from criticism, pressure, and, heavens forbid, sanctions, when its leadership pursues policies that are in conflict with the interests of the USA and world peace.

Bottom line: While Netenyahu and the Israeli right may deceive themselves into thinking that they have considerable leverage on US policy and politics, in fact it is Bibi and the Israeli right that are being played and gamed by American neo-cons, to the detriment of both the USA and Israel.

Posted by: bfieldk | June 1, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse


Assuming the posters under Diehl are not all Israelis pretending to be US citizens:

and are reasonably representative as such are...

These snotty, braying antii-American tuff is bound to result in disgust.

And no one should wonder at the galloping increase in anti-semitism in the US, as well as the rest of the world.

Perhaps finally a call for dual loyalists to be kicked out of, for example, congressional security or intelligence posts, which AIPAC fights so hard to achieve. Think of Janie Harmon being caught by the FBI trying to get two American Jews out of their INDICTMENTS for spying for Israel.

And Americans might be a little sick of the censorship by the Jewish owned "press" in this country.

Posted by: whistling | June 1, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Netanyahu is the Jewish Hitler. He started this mess and has returned to finish it. It’s time to put one between his eyes and cut Israel off for good. It’s now up to them to protect their selves and I surly hope the Arabs kill every last Jew……

Posted by: askgees | June 1, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Israel is a criminal entity sustained by rich and powerful jews worldwide. Our Congress is in the pockets of the Jewish Lobby. Even after a bloddy massacre of aid workers in the international water, jews like Jackson Diehl and other parasites rise up to defend Israel. We are still waiting for the paraplegic bacteria Charles Krauthammer. Unless Americans loudly speak out and rally against the Jewish lobby, Israel will continue acting the same way.

Posted by: timsz247 | June 1, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

The problem is, the WAPO gives you a forum to speak.

Posted by: mtravali | June 1, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Explain to me again why it's the US's responsibility to defend Israel while the Israeli government perpetually digs its own hole deeper?
Maybe if criticism was openly published and sanctions allowed to go forward Israel would start acting like a responsible government.

Posted by: don1one | June 1, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

So you blame Obama for not siding with Israel for being against the Nuclear Treaty...Even though Israel wants everyone else to sign it, except for them. This is a "fault"?

Why do we support Israel at all?

Amnesty International (AI) on Israeli War Crimes:

In its 2010 annual report, AI accused Western nations of shielding Israel from accountability during the Gaza war and for nearly three years of siege, depriving the population of vital essentials to survive and endure. At the same time, it praised the Goldstone Commission for heroically telling the truth.

In documenting Israeli crimes of war and against humanity, AI said:

"Among other things, (Israel) carried out indiscriminate and disproportionate attacks against civilians, targeted and killed medical staff, used Palestinian civilians as 'human shields,' and indiscriminately (used) white phosphorous (and other illegal weapons) over densely populated residential areas." As a result, the toll was devastating.

We in the U.S. have given almost 2 Trillion dollars to Israel, not including the arms and advanced weaponry we give them. Then we find that they sold Nukes to Apartheid South Africa, sold our newest anti-missile air defense system to China, put their "undesirable" citizens in walled ghettos, drop White phosphorous on them, blockade them, deny them medicine, and now kill kids trying to give them food and aid.

Why the hell do we support what apparently is the most fascist state in the world? Stop giving them our military secrets - they have proven to sell them to our enemies, stop giving them money, they use it to oppress the defenseless.

And yet you blame Obama for not bowing to Israel's every fascist demand? Against the orders of the world, they build illegal settlements, and still beg the world for aid. Against the will of the world, the create an apartheid system of ghettos, and then beg the world for aid. They spy on their few friends, steal their secrets, and put them up for sale to the highest bidder, and then beg from that "friend" for aid...

Israel is becoming a much more dangerous threat to world stability than Iran. Perhaps they need to be placed in the "axis of evil".

Posted by: jefrix | June 1, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

"Edward Peck, former US ambassador to Iraq.

And

Ann Wright a US Journalist, former US diplomat and US Army Colonel with 29 years of service are among the 9 US citizens reported missing from the ships.

Both were supposed to be among those on the US registered Chalenger which was towed in to port in Israel and injured pasengers were taken off it but they are not listed among those taken off the Chalenger.

Several UK citizens that were suposed to be on the chalenger as well and are also reported as missing.

This amid reports that several bodies of dead pasengers were removed or thrown overboard from one of the ships."

Walker1 please provide authoritative citations for this claim.

On the other hand, the videos of "peace activists" beating on painball-armed Israeli commandos with heavy iron bars and stabbing them with knives tend to show that this entire situation was a setup by the Hamas terrorist supporters. The videos are far more conclusive than some empty claim as well.

Posted by: honorswar26

I've seen videos of those aboard the ships trying to fend off the Israeli pirates (who ultimately killed a significant number of them). I have not seen any videos of the Israeli invaders being stabbed with knives and I don't think you have either; I think you're just taking the Israelis' word for it. As to your "heavy iron bars" claim, you can identify heavy iron bars from glowing greeen night vision video taken from another boat? Or (far more likely) are you once again taking the Israelis' word for it? You know, the same Israelis who claim to have only been armed with paintball guns AND who claim to have been in mortal danger when their weapons (the supposed paintball guns?) were taken away from them? And who then "had to" kill at least ten people on the ships they were invading, but lost no one from their own ranks? Is it any wonder that your heart bleeds?

Seriously, practice what you preach and come up with some authoritative (i.e., not from the pirates) sources for your claims.

Posted by: chaos1 | June 1, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Diehl uses proof from Israel's left-wing press (Haaretz) to make a point but this is hardly a valid method of doing so.

Under the San Remo Manual of International Law on the High Seas, Israel operated legally against a group of activists who, amongst numerous other violations of international law, committed perfidy - a violation of Article 37 Protocol 1 Additional to the Geneva Conventions.

The world would do better to understand that radical Islam is a universal threat and Israel receives disproportionate attention in its struggle against those who wish to wipe Israel off the map.

Posted by: Israelk | June 1, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

"Netanyahu’s decision to use military force to stop boats populated with European and American notables, and, even more, the bloody execution of the operation, are indefensible"

Hello?? am I dreaming or is this racist garbage really getting published by Washington Post? Are we back to 19th century?
I thought that at least in words we were supposed to give lip-service to such "radical" ideas as the equality of humans regardless of whether they come from Europe or America, or whether they are considered "notables" or not! Apparently no more!

I can at least welcome the more transparent, less hypocritical language.

Posted by: immanuel_k | June 1, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

According to the writer the same attack on a boat with only Turkish or Arab non-notable nationals would have been defensible.

Posted by: immanuel_k | June 1, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Israel is the real SUPER POWER!!!!.

Sooner you all understand it better you come to grip with talmud reality.

America is not impotent , it is worse. It is just a tool for Super power Israel.

Most americans do not aware of that. Jews took over america 1900 onwards.

Everything owned by jews and monitored everything , every call , every search.

if world do not stop Israel , america will be like communist russia where jew communist killed 2 million innocent farmers because they did n't obey.

Jews will create civil war between black and white and sit in the corner and enjoy the fight.

Jews are above critical mass in USA , it is time to cut off support to israel. best way to do is bring liberal jews and bring balance to hawkish Netanyahu govt.

Netwanyahu calling Open war against USA. He already did. It is just that USA ignoring the reality.

The fact is OBAMA is powerless. All presidents are powerless against almighty AIPAC. That is the reality.

Nothing can be done. Business as usual.

WWIII coming. Which ever the country have more nukes can survive in future war. It is as simple as that.

America must provide nukes to turkey and egypt to offset Israel. I would do that if i am obama.

That will shut off Israelis!.


Posted by: Alexk2 | June 1, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

So Diehl and most of the poster's arguments are that the aid workers knew that there would be punishment for bringing medicine and food to those walled inside the ghetto. They got what they deserved. OK, by that argument, The world should say, "Israel knew that killing teenagers for bringing food would bring punishment...Blockade and boycott Israel."

Posted by: jefrix | June 1, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I strongly support President Obama, but I agree with many of the comments above that he--and the US government, under whatever administration--needs to stop coddling Israel and treat it as the immature bully that it sadly has become.

Someone above called Israeli's government "Judeo-Nazis" and I'm afraid I have to agree. The main actors in the Israeli government are not acting like very good Jews, and seem to have forgotten that just because horrible things have been done to them, that's no excuse to do those things to others. That is what "never again" is supposed to mean--and it includes Israel's actions toward other groups! And Jews in this country need to repudiate AIPAC and embrace the J Street movement; we're Americans first and owe nothing to Israel, particularly under its current governance. --Martin Berg

Posted by: candomarty | June 1, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

fgoepfert1:
"This was a Trojan horse operation. If you watch the video, you will see how the IDF were murderously set upon."

I suspect if events were reversed and it was an Israeli convoy boarded by the Palestinians you'd be here demanding the Palestinians be wiped out.

"I wonder if all those screeching would like to have a murderous neighbor armed with missiles."

All of Israel's neighbors already know what this is like.

Posted by: presto668 | June 1, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

The problem with Israel is largely inside Israel.

Blaming the American administration for not being sufficiently deferential to Netanyahu's provocations removes any sense of agency from Netanyahu for his own actions.

The fact that Netanyahu's coalition includes someone like Avigdor Lieberman is the problem.

The fact that Netanyahu is in power in Israel is part of the problem.

The fact that Netanyahu can't build a coalition without the likes of Lieberman is part of the problem.

30 or 40 years ago you could point to external sources of Israel's problems. These days almost all of the problems are self-created and self-generated.

Posted by: JPRS | June 1, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Best way to solve is weaken Netanyahu Govt!.

Only liberal jews can do that. Is there any patriotic american jew in america.

I doubt any jew is patriotic american. They rather be israeli and suck off american wealth.

Posted by: Alexk2 | June 1, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

This piece is so funny. Tiptoe around Netanyahu or you'll lose your margin of error. And how long would Israel survive without American support? Did Bibi have to stick his finger in Biden's eye with settlements? No courtesy to your prime supporter? And all because of the Jewish lobby in Congress. I'm an American, too, and I don't see any reason why Israel should not at least be polite and thoughtful with respect to American initiatives or suggestions. You can blame the Palestinians for terrorism, but you can just as correctly blame the Israelis for theft when it comes to Palestinian land.

Posted by: instanton | June 1, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

How we respond to Israeli raid....do we ever respond to anything that Israeli does, the answer is no so why start now.

Posted by: akhan4 | June 1, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

How we respond to Israeli raid....do we ever respond to anything that Israeli does, the answer is no so why start now.

Posted by: akhan4 | June 1, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

It is a story such as this that everyone in the world needs to follow to fully appreciate what a death cult this country has become. It is mind-bending that Israel is claiming self defense.

I have many Jewish friends who I love. This is not the homeland of “the Jews”. Rather, it is a subset of trigger-happy mostly Eastern European and Russian Jews who claim to speak for the entire religion of Judaism (which has indeed produced some of our most enlightened thinkers).

And who, in their belief that the Holocaust gives them carte blanche, perpetrate some of the most sickening acts of oppression in today’s world. And who, as an entire people, have the ability to blissfully turn a blind eye to, and rationalize away, the suffering they cause.

Just as a victim of child abuse grows up to become a child abuser.

And when the entire world is disgusted, time after time after time, at their behavior, the problem is with the world (“everyone’s against us!”), rather than with the behavior.

Jews all over the world are increasingly sickened by what this thugocracy does in their name. As are my fellow Americans, who have enabled this for too long. The sooner it is put to an end, the better for humanity.

Posted by: johnspecer72 | June 1, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Instead of this misguided opinion, I thought the recommendation should be to a pursuit of even handedness and high principles with all parties, Israelis, Iranians, Arabs, Turks, Chinese etc.

Posted by: as33074 | June 1, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

The murder of unarmed civilians in international waters has marked Israel as a rogue state undeserving of support from the US or from any other civilized nation. Not even the Somali pirates murder their captives in cold blood. Cut these psychopaths posing as a civilized nation off and let them rot.

Posted by: Catch1 | June 1, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

This is total nonsense. Nobody can manage a relationship with the Netanyahu administration and Obama should not even attempt to do so. It is only a matter of time until Netanyahu orders the bombing of Iran and then we will all be waiting to see how bad the fall out is going to be. The truth is, our support for these people led DIRECTLY to 9/11, the first WTC attack, the African embassy attacks, the USS Cole attack. In return for all we have suffered they won't even cooperate with peace negotiations. Dump them!

Posted by: gposner | June 1, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

this one is easy.
give isreal more ammo - pat them on the back - thank them - shake their hands - have a nice photo op.
works for me.

Posted by: infantry11b4faus | June 1, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

"The problem is that Obama has already exhausted his margin for quarreling with Israel..."

What kind of hogwash is this? The author of this op ed piece seems to assume that the U.S. must dance around Israel and handle it with kid gloves lest poor Mr. Netanyahu becomes petulant and intransigent. Best to always make nice to him and keep differences to minor issues and very low key.

What about Mr Netanyahu's management of his relationship with the U.S., the Palestinians and the rest of the world? He is to be granted a free hand, with unconditional U.S. support and never, never cheesed off by taking issue too strongly with him? Get real!

Posted by: gschultens | June 1, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Why should there be such a thing as a "margin for quarreling with Israel"? Israel does nothing for the US that it should require pampering. Indeed, Israel's contribution is negative -- a cause of friction between the US and practically every other national government and foreign population in the world every one of which take a more clear-eyed view of this nuclear rogue state and its increasingly racist aggressive and oppressive activities. To cite just one example we certainly we need Turkey much more than we need Israel. It is long past time for the American government to pursue America's national interest, neocon traitors be damned.
Posted by: Adam_Smith | June 1, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse"

Glad to see people dissecting this garbage piece. Blaming Obama for this is as low as it gets maturity-wise.WashPost is worthless.

Yes I know not everyone is Israel thinks like Netanyahu, but now maybe Americans will see how WE looked when we did nothing to stop Bush in office. Everything he did was in our name and killing people in international waters then blocking access to the press is in the name of Israel.

Posted by: Tblack68 | June 1, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

It is clear that Obama is going to go against Israel in this circumstance.

The puzzling thing is 78 percent of Jewish voters voted for Obama.

Despite Jewish support for him, Obama will not support Israel.
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How many times must it be said?

"Jew" is NOT synonymous with "Israel".

Posted by: st50taw | June 1, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

I agree muslims are by nature jihadists. But what is going on in israel is land grabbing in day light with oppression.

I don't mind israel defending against people firing rockets into israel.

But killing civilians shows they do not care about anybody in the world. It is dangerous.

World should not allow these thing can happen again especially one claim to be democracy.

We know iran did kill its own people. Iran will suffer for it in due time. But Israel has to keep moral high otherwise world will plunge into world war III sooner or later.

World realizes america is a puppet of israel and very very impotent.

Iranians are laughing their arse off!!!!

Posted by: Alexk2 | June 1, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Just like our men in Viet Nam that were ORDERED to burn down a village, the commandos are the innocents in these actions that put them under attack by members of a sovereign ship in int'l water defending themselves within int'l norms. We should all call/write our congress to withhold the 6 billion in aid to Israel until the guilty that ordered this violation of int'l law are extradited to the Hague. A budget cut that is long overdue, Egypt too with their terrorists left to operate. The Jewish run media will try to spin it differently but this is the age of the internet. Al Jazerra had video that can be seen up to the point that Israel jammed communications and of course shut out the int'l press from any coverage in Israel. Murdoch's NY Post had a caption in a news report showing a LOL weapons cache. There were kitchen knives, meat cleavers, scissors, fire axes & handles, the stuff found on every cargo ship in the world.

Posted by: jameschirico | June 1, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

I really think is best way to control Israel is ask russians to supply nukes to iran , turkey,jordan and egypt.

That will do. EVen dirty nuke gets into jordan will stop israelis.

Reason Israelis are GUNGHO is muslims country can't defend against isral with nukes.

If we supply nukes to atleast jordan and turkey will keep israel honest.

I do not think Israel nuke any country if it know it will get wiped out eventually.

Israel lack fear because muslims countries do not have defense. Period.

I know i know any nuke weapon gets into muslim countries worse than israel killing palestenians.

Israel is going to get wiped off eventually if it keep pissing of america.

America will not dare to challenge Israel because AIPAC rule america. But it can weaken israel by taking steps that strengthen muslim countries.

Posted by: Alexk2 | June 1, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Somehow we have gotten away from the way thing are suppose to work. Israel should be trying to adjust to Obama instead of writers like Diehl expect the US to bow to Israel desires no matter how that may impact on the US foreign policy.
The primary duty of US foreign policy is to promote the US, not to protect Israel from the rest of the world condemnation when they do something stupid.

Posted by: hairman | June 1, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Being an Arab American, it is hard for me to voice my opinion on this issue without sounding biased. That being said, this is disgusting. How can we continue to turn a blind eye to the fact that Israel continues to kill with a carte blanche people who for the most part are unarmed or under armed. Any other country that would conduct the same actions as Israel had would face immediate retaliation from NATO and other armed alliances. I hate to say it, but I sort of hope they eat the feces that they created on this one. How can anyone feel sorry for this violent country?

Posted by: AdamAhmed | June 1, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Obama has no skills in diplomacy and forgets that Isreal is the only shock absorber in the middle east. There are some peons who pretend to be friends. Now the question is war or no war with Iran

Posted by: jayrkay | June 1, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Still waiting on the Chas. Freeman debate, diehl. Haven't finished cowering from your readers yet, I see. Let us know when you're man enough.

Posted by: lostinthemiddle | June 1, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jayrkay
There are some peons who pretend to be friends. Now the question is war or no war with Iran
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You're right jayrkay - Israel only pretends to be friends. I'm starting to see that maybe Hamas has been misrepresented in the media. Apparently they are right that Israel rules with an iron fist, and is an oppressor. So as to you're question - I say a firm NO to war with Iran - what have the Persians done to deserve war?

Posted by: jefrix | June 1, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I used to think Israel is the shock observer and gateway to western world and defending from muslims.

I was wrong!.

Israel has its own goals. It wants to create jewish empire. The problem is they can't do that openly because there are not that many jews in the world. If everyone know that , they will be wiped out eventually.

Instead jews control every western govt through banks. Proxy control.

All wars conducted by USA and Western govt use GENTILE BLOOD for israel's security.

Now you see Israel is not doing anything for america. Instead it is using USA and other countries for its own benefit.

Why?

It can. Gentiles (non jews) are cowards and impotent!.

Posted by: Alexk2 | June 1, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

The focus of your AIPAC neocon lobbying to protect the kneck of Bibi...is a bit too late. Bibi will not last any longer....Kenesset will set up its own enquiry to establish what Bibi actually new about the Commoandos attack on the flotilla and if Mossad okayed it.

Actually Moosad has now attacked the whole misguided affair....

Moreover, Nethanyau is regarded as an *American borne/educated son of Israel*. Now he will, like an Asian, will have to save his own face.

THIS IS A DISGRACE AND NOT HELPFUL FOR SURVIVAL OF HE ISRAELI STATE.

I advise you to listen to Charlie Rose interview with Hammas leader in Damascus aired over the weekend. It's revealing....
what's going on with this incompetent rightist regime.

Posted by: hariknaidu | June 1, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

I know what Diehl means. Every now and then, at least in his first months in office, Obama sounded like he was the head of a superpower dealing with a minor state in a distant region.

I am sure that you and other American supporters of Israel will soon complete his re-education as to who is the dog and who is the tail.

After that, he will get along much better with Israel.

Posted by: dehall | June 1, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

The focus of your AIPAC neocon lobbying to protect the kneck of Bibi...is a bit too late. Bibi will not last any longer....Kenesset will set up its own enquiry to establish what Bibi actually new about the Commoandos attack on the flotilla and if Mossad okayed it.

Actually Moosad has now attacked the whole misguided affair....

Moreover, Nethanyau is regarded as an *American borne/educated son of Israel*. Now he will, like an Asian, will have to save his own face.

THIS IS A DISGRACE AND NOT HELPFUL FOR SURVIVAL OF HE ISRAELI STATE.

I advise you to listen to Charlie Rose interview with Hammas leader in Damascus aired over the weekend. It's revealing....
what's going on with this incompetent rightist regime.

Posted by: hariknaidu | June 1, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

We all know 9/11 is done by Mozzad and no one dare to see it. Why? Because it is not good for people to see.

if lets say any western govt criticize Israel hard , you know what will happen?.

Israel mozzad act like russian scientist send dirt nuke bomb and give to muslim terrorist in that country. We all know muslims don't have that much brain. They gladly do the work for israel by their reactive anger.

That is why every western Govt is pee on their pants when it come to Israel.

Israel has GUTS!. Gentiles (non jews) are useless.

Best way to survive in next world war III is conver yourself to a Jew and get a seat in a bunker underground.

All gentiles (non jews) will rot in radiation and all jews in america will have luxury life in usa military underground.

It is better not to see what israel is doing with moral compass.

See like the author of this article. We all know it is all a lie but he gets paid to do that. if you criticize israel u get punished in america.

Because america is not land of free it is more land of gentile slaves who obey jew masters.

I did every calculation , there is no solution to jewish problem except utter destruction of humanity by jews. That is where we are heading sooner or later.

Posted by: Alexk2 | June 1, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Israel didn't want this to happen, and I'm sure Netanyahu was as surprised as anyone else. It was bad work on the part of the commandos, but the real blame goes to the people on the boat for trying to force their way through and for instigating the violence.

Posted by: person2 | June 1, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Why was my comment removed? All I was saying is that Israel must be held accountable like everyone else in the world. I also think that if they want to be the tough guys they try to be, lets let them battle the Arabs by themselves. No US help. Lets see how long they survive.

Posted by: AdamAhmed | June 1, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I think the videos exonerate the Israeli soldiers.

Posted by: person2 | June 1, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

We do have several courses of action open to us. Recall our ambassador. Join the rest of the world with U.N. condemnation and demand an international investigation. Give diplomatic recognition to the Palestinian state and protect access to Gaza. Put a hold on defense aid to Israel. Give opposition Israeli politicians some airtime.

Israel isn't our colony and even though they are best friends in the Mideast, we can be honest with friends and say "Grow Up!"

There have been so many opportunities for peace and cooperation between Israel and Palestine over the last 35 years, but they were sabotaged by Palestinian guerrillas or else Israeli leaders pushing settlements into "Ehretz Israel", which means "Occupied Palestine to most everyone else.

Netanyahu is a creep of the first water and the responsibility for this atrocity lies at his feet even as he mumbles regrets for the fatalities.

As one who has traveled around Israel and gone into the occupied West Bank, Sinai and Golan Heights, it's time to return to pre-1967 borders, negotiate and cooperate. We can't force this to happen, but so long as we enable Israel to do whatever it wants the situation is unlikely to change.

Posted by: eaglepeak | June 1, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Accounting to the "logic" by the columnist, Obama must allow Israel to do whatever their government chooses to do in the region, since he supposedly has no "margin" to further quarrel with the regime. So Israel can attack any country, expel Palestinians from the West Bank, etc. and the Obama administration will do nothing, which, of course, they would be inhibited from doing anyway.

Posted by: Aprogressiveindependent | June 1, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

The premise that we can't deal with this because our relationship with Israel is already strained is an outrageous falsehood. I want to see a great deal MORE strain on that relationship, not less. I want the U.S. to stop all aid to the murderous Israels. Is George Bush still president? Why are you being so wimpy, Mr. Obama?

Posted by: PJFoggy | June 1, 2010 6:52 AM | Report abuse
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It is quite simple, liberals, Democrats and Obama are wimps. So they will always act wimpy. Plain and simple!

Posted by: sanmateo1850 | June 1, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Apparently I'm missing something.
I was unaware that Obama was great friends with Turkey. When Turkey allowed the collection of social misfits, anti-Jew muslims, and other associated arab thugs to board the "peace" boat to force a confrontation with Israel it is apparent the world is being hoodwinked by the evermore liberal press.
Israel has the right to protect its citizens, including the right to rule Gaza to prevent the importation of weapons and terrorists seeking a short cut to attack Israel.
Wake up, Israel is not the bad guy.
The muslim world is out to destroy the only true democracy having freedom in the middle east. The lands given for a Jewish homeland following the end of Nazi Germany are historically linked to Jews. Also, note that the surrounding arab countries were allies of Nazi Germany.

Posted by: cpotomg | June 1, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

What would the thugs that run Israel need to do before apologists such as Diehl put blame where blame belongs? If a Palestinian leader ordered such an unconscionable deed, we'd never hear the end from Diehl, and properly so. But since the Israelis were the terrorists in this case, it's somehow Obama's fault for failing to kiss up to Netanyahu. Puh-leeze!

Posted by: willy3 | June 1, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: cpotomg
Israel has the right to protect its citizens, including the right to rule Gaza to prevent the importation of weapons and terrorists seeking a short cut to attack Israel.
Wake up, Israel is not the bad guy.
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Israel has the right to put up walls, put its citizens in ghettos, concentration camps and gas chambers to protect itself...see where that line of thinking leads?

Posted by: jefrix | June 1, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

The premise that we can't deal with this because our relationship with Israel is already strained is an outrageous falsehood. I want to see a great deal MORE strain on that relationship, not less. I want the U.S. to stop all aid to the murderous Israels. Is George Bush still president? Why are you being so wimpy, Mr. Obama?

Posted by: PJFoggy | June 1, 2010 6:52 AM | Report abuse
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sanmateo1850:

It is quite simple, liberals, Democrats and Obama are wimps. So they will always act wimpy. Plain and simple!

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I think you have it wrong. Our relationship has been strained because Obama has not kissed the golden ring of Isreal and has stood up to Netanyahu. Whereas, Bush Jr. slobbered all over Netanyahu's hand. Please get your facts straight.

Posted by: pdt278 | June 1, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Israel is owned and operated by the United States. They seem to have forgotten that they are supposed to be our friends in exchange for the huge paycheck we send them. But if Netanyahu wants to go it alone, I say let him. Apartheid broke the back of South Africa. Israel can be next.

Posted by: wd1214 | June 1, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I think the videos exonerate the Israeli soldiers.

Posted by: person2 | June 1, 2010 4:18 PM
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In the sense that anyone has the right to defend themselves I tend to agree with you. To the extent that the Israeli government's insanely stupid decision to assault this ship when it could have used any number of less violent means --- that is inexcusable --- and falls in line with any number of recent stupid decisions by this right-wing, religious fanatic Israeli government. The Israeli government is its own worst enemy.

Posted by: army164 | June 1, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Post online titled your column: "How To Deal With Israel". Upon reading your article or opinion, I didn't find any serious ideas related to that title. Your entire write up is devoted to what happened in the past, with really no useful ideas or new thinking, just a mere suggestion that the road forward would involve diplomatic finesse! Oh, thank you so much! I haven't read any other articles penned by you, but if this one is any indication of your analytical skills or thoughtfulness, I think I'd learn much more by listening to the radio while I took a nap.

Posted by: ambrishrk | June 1, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Respond to Israel? How about using our military?

Put US troops between Israel and the Palestinians. Let them f with a world of US Marines! Lets see these baby killers screw with our troops, even up the kill ratio for once!

Posted by: AIPACiswar | June 1, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

To say that American Jews who care about Israel and voted for Obama made a tragic mistake is a gross understatement.
Obama will not help Israel. Why is he silent?
I suppose the cat has his tongue.

Posted by: nychap44 | June 1, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

How to deal with Israel?

- Stop any financial aid
- Stop supporting their illegal acts such as taking over other nations' territory, murdering people in other countries or international waters
- Force them to disclose their weapons and join NPT
- Remove AIPAC members from Congress and other institutions of power in Washington

That would be a good start.

Posted by: mnicula | June 1, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

I'M TIRED OF ISRAEL!!!! Enough with this unilateral support! I am not an anti-Semite but I am tired of the mess that the leaders of Israel keep getting into. If I were Obama I would call them out again and tell them to stop acting like babies as if their military is inept and can't handle people who don't have guns. Enough with supporting Israel no matter what they do!

Posted by: nm561 | June 1, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Just last week, Obama chose to side against Israel in the final deliberations of the Non-Proliferation Treaty review conference. In pursuit of one of the president’s most cherished causes, the United States accepted language calling on Israel to join the NPT and supporting a conference in 2013 on a nuclear-free Middle East. Netanyahu’s government was left alone in its opposition.

Well, good for Obama. Why should US foreign policy always be subservient to Israel? I rather doubt that Obama has "exhausted his margin" in dealing with Israel.

Posted by: mds3 | June 1, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse


Response to:
"Israel is owned and operated by the United States.[..]
Posted by: wd1214 | June 1, 2010 4:39 PM"

Nope it's the other way around.
US Congress is owned and operated by Israel through their lobby groups such as AIPAC. That's why Obama can't effectively deal with Israel. He would be strongly opposed by US Congress.

Posted by: mnicula | June 1, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Cut ties with these modern-day thugs.
We simply do not NEED Israel.
...Just a monkey on our backs...

Posted by: kase | June 1, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

There are two sides to the story. If those soliders were attacked then they have every right to defend themselves. Arabs have called for the destruction of Israel for over 50 years. They do not want peace. They want to rid Jews from that continent. The videos are out there. These people planned this entire episode and knew damn well they were prohibited from providing aid to GAZA. The got what they deserved. Iran is about to also get what they deserve. When you profess to kill Israeli's, you just celebrated your last birhtday.

Posted by: Cobra2 | June 1, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

this is a video showing
Israeli soldiers being beaten by boat people:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/137798

3 questions:
a.why did flotilla refuse to have Egypt inspect
their boats?
b.how should Israel respond to a threat of
arms being brought by boats?
c.why do you think Turkey gave so much support to this flotilla?


Posted by: misterbronx22 | June 1, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Netanyahu has chosen to snub his nose at the international community. The USA does not need to side with them on anything. We give a lot of money and weapons to Israel. We should reconsider that aid and support. I truly do not think Netanyahu is our friend. Until he is gone from the political scene, we should not deal with them.

Posted by: sed81650 | June 1, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Is it not time again for AIPAC to roll out their sense of the congress resolution, you know, the same one they used after their operation CASTLEAD after the IDF murdered over one thousand gazan civilians. The one that proudly announced that the US supports the right of Israel to defend itself. About 400 hundred of our Likudnik's in congress, out of love or fear voted aye. Go get'em AIPAC.

Posted by: martybrod | June 1, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Atleast washington post posted my opinion instead of blocking it. So all well and good.

Americans have not come to grip with reality that AIPAC runs america not american people.

That is what netanyahu try to preach OBAMA.

OBAMA have to burn his fingers then he realizes he is just a puppet.

He was preferred over hillary mainly because AIPAC can threaten OBAMA easier because he was black than white when OBAMA do anything against Israel.

Israel is not done yet. Israel will kill off all palestenians in GAZA and take the land.

And NO western Govt can anything about it. Even russia is afraid of israel. Because Israel can behave reckless.

If american want to have freedom for another century , they must keep israel down or only jews will have justice and non jews will be slaves in america.

Time to topple netanyahu govt.

Posted by: Alexk2 | June 1, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Remind me again, just what the U.S. gets out of the relationship with Israel? They are continually referred to as our 'greatest ally', yet we have not signed a mutual-defense treaty with them. We have with Turkey- NATO.

Posted by: shogun_5 | June 1, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Diehl,

Benjamin Netanyahu is a grown man and I for one am sick and tired of the U.S., always having to pacify Netanyahu.

When will Israel grow the hell up and stop acting like a bunch of out of control bullies. Why should the U.S., continue to pacify bullies. It's one thing to support your allies, but it's another thing to support them when they are completely in the wrong.

And for the record, your post stinks.

Posted by: lcarter0311 | June 1, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Diehl,

Benjamin Netanyahu is a grown man and I for one am sick and tired of the U.S., always having to pacify Netanyahu.

Obama should done this, Obama should have done that. What is Nethanuahu doing other than acting like a spoiled brat?

When will Israel grow the hell up and stop acting like a bunch of out of control bullies. Why should the U.S., continue to pacify bullies. It's one thing to support your allies, but it's another thing to support them when they are completely in the wrong.

And for the record, your post stinks.

Posted by: lcarter0311 | June 1, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Netanyahu is cut from the same cloth as the other intransigents in the middle east. This time, he forces us to take a stand just like he has done with the Palestinians.

His head has enlarged so much, he forgets that he needs his big buddy, Uncle Sam to bail ‘em out.

Interestingly, the American people have been exceedingly patient with Isreal understanding their past and struggles establishing their state. As we watch & listen over time, Isreal seems to demand that everyone else give in to them and each time, they up the ante when they get their way (of course, with big brother US standing behind them).

Netanyahu should really reevaluate how hard he keeps pushing his neighbors and the US... eventually, people get tired of the smart-mouthed bully, who just happens to have a big buddy as a back-up.

Kind of reminds me of North Korea and China....

Posted by: 4Jaxon | June 1, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Things are absolutely insane. Here in one way we talk about idealistic philosophy and on the other side we are such a hypocrat. Shame!! People of US will not tolerate this attrocities and we have faith in our president and he will protest against Israel, we hope, we pray and we believe....

Posted by: tarpor | June 1, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Diehl wrote: "Netanyahu’s decision to use military force to stop boats populated with European and American notables, and, even more, the bloody execution of the operation, are indefensible".
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Sorry hoss, incorrect. Israel is on the right side of this one, as is becoming quite apparent as the true story is finally emerging. 'Peace' would be one of the last adjectives one could pronounce on the so-called activists on the flotillas.

And besides, what is indefensible is the great number of the anti-Israeli comments on this page.

Israel is not our enemy, folks.

Islam is our enemy, plain and simple.

Politically incorrect? Perhaps to the confused Left that is so, but factually correct.

If all of you jelly-fish-spined liberals want to lick the boots of Akmed the Terrorist and his various kin, feel free but please remember that while you do, the rest of America looks upon you as if you were a pile of smelly, maggot-infested bull chips.

Posted by: bryanmcoleman | June 1, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

We get almost nothing out of the relationship with Israel. Only our military/industrial complex benefits because they get to sell their weapons to a ready buyer. Of course, the Israelis don't actually use shekels to buy those weapons; they use US dollars in the form of aid and loan guarantees to fund the purchases. So that means YOU, the US taxpayer, just paid for the weapons that killed those civilians on a ship in international waters. And remember, we also give Israel billions of dollars in foreign aid each year. And how do they repay our largesse? By building more settlements in occupied territory (better living through Caterpillar tractors!) and by spying on us. Jonathan Pollard was not an isolated incident... he was just stupid enough to get caught in a way that Israel couldn't credibly deny his espionage.

Posted by: obeah | June 1, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

wow bryanmcoleman, cool story bro. you mad?

Posted by: obeah | June 1, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Are you daft Diehl?. What American government has "handled" Israel other than say "do what you want and how many state of the art weapons can the American taxpayers give you?.
What is shocking is the land of liberty sat back and watched poor woman and children being killed in Lebanon and Gaza by American state of the art weapons. Sat back and watched Israel squeeze people living in poverty with basic food supplies.
If America was true to its values it would have loaded up an aircraft carrier with housing supplies, school supplies, etc. and taken them to the people of Gaza.
That ordinary people have to give their lives for the 60yr. inaction of the American government is pathetic.

Posted by: JillCalifornia | June 1, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

We have our troops in the wrong place, we have our emphasix in the wrong places. The source of all ME problems lies with the Israeli illegal accupations. We need to send our military into Palestine/Gaza in full force, and tell Israel to get out of the way and back to their UN recognized borders. A bold move like this would pacify this region as we demonstrate real objectivity for a change. This madness of invading muslim countries and killing muslims in their own countries on behalf of Israel and its minions in the US HAS GO TO STOP!

Posted by: likovid | June 1, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Looks like God's Chosen People are murdering innocent people once again just like they have for the past 5,000 years starting with the people of Jericho and continuing with Jesus Christ. This attack is merely a continuation of their warped beliefs. But as Americans we should do everything within our power to preserve their natural right to slaughter the innocent. Even if Jews attacked America, we should stand by Israel at all cost! International law and American interest should be subordinate to God's Chosen People. Just ask any Tea Party member.

Posted by: nhaq100 | June 1, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

HOW TO RESPOND TO ISRAEL?

We should THANK them for taking out a few terrorist @$$holes.

What sheep you all are - Turkey and Hamas staged this whole event so you left wing sheep will all start bleeting at once.

Posted by: pgr88 | June 1, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

I clearly know that the 14% of Jewish-American US Senators and their monstrous pull on the rest of the US politics, added to the irrational inner-circle influence that Zionist-Americans got onto Obama, make any criticism on Israel’s policies highly difficult, but Obama is the President of the US of America; he can yell at any moment and we will support him.
He must do it, because whatever he does, bending himself and America backwards for Israel, or not, Obama wont make it to the second term by one side, but more importantly, he is supposed to be a Constitutionalist—our forefathers did not fight for this assault on Humanity that is going on by Israel and which is permeating deep into our innermost American fiber—we cannot play Israel’s quislings anymore. He cannot leave the American People hanging on to dry on this. It would be a huge blow to his own People.

Aside, I do not know why Obama is not considering, that whatever he would do for Israel, he’d continue being as is, totally and permanently despised and insulted and scorned by Israelis—doesn’t he read Israeli newspapers and TV and Israeli politicians stares?? Wake up, Mr. President!

Posted by: SouthStar | June 1, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Wake up and get out of your armchair. Netanyahu is the one responsible for the problems. If Israel wants to go it alone and forget about support from the US, that is their choice. Otherwise, they are going to have to get on a track that at least makes a positive contribution to promoting the chances for a path to a more acceptable life for the Palestinians. Israel either has to accept the role of the world's pariah state or make a big change in their attitude toward the peace process.

Posted by: dnjake | June 1, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

If things are like the writer says, than siding against Israel on the NPT can't makes things much worse than they already were.

Israel shot itself in the foot with the flotilla raid just when the Administration had a UN report coming out about Iran's plutonium. Unfortunately, Israel willingly stumbled into the the flotilla trap so that now they face:

1.A certain Turkey veto on sanctions against Iran.

2.Egypt opening their border to Gaza.

3. International attention off of Iran and now on Israel and the blockade.

It's just a matter of time before an air strike on Iran...how the Administration will deal with that is anyone's guess.

Posted by: moebius22 | June 1, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Since when do we in the United States have to watch our P's and Q's with a country ( Israel) that if not for the United States would be in a far weaker position in their security, and most likely would not have been able to pursue their inhumane policies towards the Palestinians.

But what bothers me, is the idea that we as a nation have to be careful in our dealing with Israel because of Israels friends in Congress and in the Democratic party.

Are you suggesting that these people would actively support Israels position if it were contrary to the United States security interests.

The day that we as a nation have to ask permission from Israel on how to conduct our relationship with them is the day that we need to sever that relationship.

As to the Settlements, they are illegal and more importantly continue to hamper us to achieve peace.

If anything, the United States should not only come down harder on Israel but if Israel does not abide by UN resolutions, than the UN should force them to abide much like what is going on regarding Iran.

Posted by: demianrb | June 1, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

How about this solution: Hamas promises to let Israel exist without harassment? (It seems to have worked, somewhat, for Egypt for 30 years now.) That's the tidiest way to bring down the blockade.

Posted by: mwpalmer | June 1, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

This guy's unbelievable. His point is that Israel screwed up but Obama mishandled it?...You mean like when he mishandled the Israeli screwup with settlement announcements when Biden lands in Israel....Oh wait! Maybe it's when Obama screwed up after Bibi taunts the US about building in East Jerusalem - IN NEW YORK!?...No...It must be when Obama screwed up when Bibi comes to the white house AFTER another settlement expansion is announced right before he arrives!?...This is AFTER he promised his mickey mouse administration would not embarass the President again....that would be AFTER he made the very same promise months before. Yep. Obama screwed up. He assembled the most far-right gov't in Israel's history. Obama screwed up when Israel butchers the "covert" murder in Dubai...Dubai!!....Obama's screwing up by not knowing how to handle the biggest thug appointed to be the head diplomat -- in the entire world (Lieberman)...Can someone ---ANYONE ----Please criticize the Israeli government without immoral equivalence? Anyone?...

Posted by: TruthHurts2 | June 1, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

This is the most outrageous piece of journalism in a long time, and the WP should be ashamed. Israel continues to commit acts that are morally and politically wrong, but the US Congress does not say anything. Every such act hurts America.

There is a way out. Israel has to make peace with the Palestinians by withdrawing from all of the West Bank, sharing Jerusalem, and compensating refugees that were ethnically cleansed in 1948. Arabs should recognize and agree to a secure Israel within 1967 borders. Water issues and access between the two halves of Palestine should be fairly resolved.

Posted by: Observer20 | June 1, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

The Israel relationship is reparable, b/c frankly, they cannot navigate the Middle East without us, in spite of all their bluster.

The Turkey relationship is trickier. I'd go with Turkey on this one.

Posted by: mypitts2 | June 1, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Please remember that Israel withdrew from Gaza. Yet Hamas is at war with Israel. They continue to shoot rockets into Israel.--
IDF soldiers Tuesday morning killed two armed terrorists who infiltrated into the Eshkol district in the Gaza Belt area. The soldiers were not wounded.

The terrorists had infiltrated through or under the Gaza security fence, and the IDF immediately closed all roads leading to four communities in the area. The local school was closed, and residents were asked to remain in their houses.====
please note these are Israeli commmunities

Posted by: misterbronx22 | June 1, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

When are we going to wake up to the fact that Israel does not like us and is not a friend or ally except when it suits their purposes. We are useful to them only as a source of money and advanced weaponry. They play us for fools and we let them. When we really need them to do something, anything, they cannot be bothered because their interests come first, last and always.

Posted by: rick390 | June 1, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

The only appropriate response after such a massacre is to discontinue sending the countless tax dollars for "aid" to Israel.

Posted by: revbookburn | June 1, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

What would be refreshing would be if Obama would give the Israelis the respect they deserve with regard to this incident - that is, none at all. Siding with their NATO ally Turkey would be a direct shot across the bow that Israel would have to acknowledge. It is time to show the Israelis some American muscle. That will make peace talks more likely to succeed, rather than less. It is American weakness that has prolonged getting to a just solution and it is time for it stop.

Posted by: johnsonc2 | June 1, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

What have the American people received in return for the trillions of American taxpayer dollars donated to Israel?.

Posted by: JillCalifornia | June 1, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Israel has Universal Health Care---Socialists.

Cut them off from the billions in aid we give them . .. and let's see how they do. Time for the little one to step out on his own!

PS: Why'll you're at it, make sure you take out Iran's nukes.

Posted by: delantero | June 1, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Er, no. The problem is not Obama's foreign policy. The problem is the Israeli government. Israel is led by a right-wing coalition of Likudniks and religious fanatics. They know Beltway Bloviators like you will defend their every move. So they insult our Vice-President while he is visiting them and they attack what essentially was a PR campaign in international waters. We will not have normal relations with Israel as long as they are led by these people.

Posted by: Ladyrantsalot | June 1, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Diehl,

You are such an Israeli apologist, it's sad. As is the weak post-editorial. If this were anyone else, they would be dumped on with heaping, steaming pile of criticism.

And you want to blame Obama? Please. The Israeli lobby is strong and well connected, though, I'm sure this bs will keep up, the settlements will continue and the U.S. will keep being the target of so much Arab hatred.

Posted by: delantero | June 1, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: nychap44

To say that American Jews who care about Israel and voted for Obama made a tragic mistake is a gross understatement.
Obama will not help Israel. Why is he silent?
I suppose the cat has his tongue.
______________________________________

How about you American Jews start putting your OWN country first? Israel is nothing but a huge pain in the rear end. We have supported them for 60 years and the thanks we get is what? The middle finger. OK Israel here's two big middle fingers from me to you.


Posted by: army1641 | June 1, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

I have been trying to understand the logic here and I can't. Israel has one real ally in the world. So, that ally should not state its objections to things it disagrees with because, someday, Israel may do something even worse, and it will have used up its disagreement points. Also, it should not criticize anything that Israel does if the Israelis will ignore the criticism, which is just about everything.

Posted by: markfromark | June 1, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Obama should have held Bibi in his arms and nursed him more. THAT would have really helped matters. Yes, a settlement freeze really was "provocative," even though the settlers are holding the entire world hostage to their beligerent hyper-nationalist bigotry. People in D.C. just don't get the world, the real world where concrete, detailed meaningful information matters. Anyone who has ever been inside the West Bank knows full well that there is no land left on which to build a Palestinian state. Getting a settlement freeze would simply be reasonable crisis management at this point in time. This situation is going to blow up in Israel's and by proxy America's face, as Israel has started imprisoning its Palestinian citizens inside the Green Line for dissident viewpoints. This is South Africa, not some nice plucky "democracy" surrounded by dark peoples who aren't civilized like us.

Posted by: freespeechlover | June 1, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

There is an easy way to respond to this, and it's one that makes sense during tough economic times.

Cut all foreign aid of any type to Israel, Palestine, and Egypt from the US Treasury or any agency.

Other than military protection if they're attacked.

Call their bluff.

And then nuke Saudi Arabia for attacking us on 9-11.

Posted by: WillSeattle | June 1, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

markfromark, that was one of the funniest comments I've read about this entire incident--"disgreement points." I'll have to remember that one. What Diehl seems to assume is that when it comes to Israel we're actually an oligarchy run by and from Tel Aviv. The fact that he cannot imagine using the considerable aid we give Israel to continue its annexation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem as a political tool demonstrates the boundaries of what is "acceptable" behavior on the part of the world's supposed sole superpower toward a small country whose economy we float with our aid. And what is acceptable? Basically letting Israel do pretty much what it wants.

Does anyone not see the insane "logic" of that scenario?

Posted by: freespeechlover | June 1, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

The writer wrote "...the question Israeli officials are asking about the Gaza crisis is “will Israel be alone -- again?” "

Are you kidding me? Of course Israel is going to be alone on this one. They should be alone. No law-abiding country can be expected to stand with them. They attacked a civilian ship in international waters. The behavior is no better than the Somali pirates.

Posted by: ho312 | June 1, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

As long as the US is supply Israel with billions in aid, then it's not President Obama's job to molly coddle the "difficult" President Netanyahu. Rather it's about time for Obama to have a come to Moses meeting with Mr, Netanyahu.

Posted by: seldoc1 | June 1, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: jane_fark | June 1, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Many of the comments already submitted regarding Israel's -- among other things, brutal and militarily undisciplined -- attack on the Free Gaza flotilla reflect a great and growing disappointment with the Obama administration's inability to exercise its power with the firmness expected of a nation that regards itself as the world's number one force for freedom, peace and stability. Reference is repeatedly made to the fact that it is the flow of American financial and technical aid that keeps the state of Israel in existence, and cries are made for a cutting-off of all aid in order to compel the Israeli government to participate with greater enthusiasm in efforts to bring about a viable two-state solution of the "Palestine problem". What some people appear to have forgotten, however, is that the Jewish-American community's financial contribution to the Obama political campaign was sizeable -- something the President has surely not forgotten. With congressional elections not far off, he will almost certainly not do anything that might jeopardize the continued support of a large segment of Jewish voters. What we can in all likelihood expect when it comes to the opening up and rebuilding of Gaza is what we saw after last year's Israeli bombing campaign: after a few weeks the mass media will have become busy reporting other world events, the general public will again lose interest in Gaza, and for Israel it will be business as usual.

Posted by: jlyons2 | June 1, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Its time for the President to say to the leaders of the world in "DOWN TO EARTH terms" what the American people feel strongly about specifically on those national issues that effect their daily lives and their future. This necessarily involves stepping on some toes of all dictators, despots, and terrorist states, and also involves displaying out military might but not necessarily using it. It involves supporting our allies visibly and most assuredly strengthening our alliances with England,France,Canada,Spain,Mexico,Japan and Germany, not to mention those countries formerly caught up in the tight grip of the Soviet Union. The political strategy of appearing to be a nice guy "TO EVERYONE" just will not work in this era of turmoil and the sooner the President learns this lesson the better off this nation will be. He can still speak softly but let them see that big stick he carries on every occasion possible!

Posted by: joe100821 | June 1, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Israel attacked the humanitarian supply ships in International waters.

If anyone else did it, it would be terrorism!

Enough of Israel pulling the strings at the U.S. Govt.

Posted by: kkrimmer | June 1, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Iran, Brazil, Turkey sign nuclear declaration--this is 5-17-2010--
"Tehran has agreed to a draft proposal whereby Iran will ship its domestic low-enriched uranium to Turkey in exchange for 20 percent enriched uranium in return."

IHH is pro Hamas. Hamas is supported by Iran. Iran also supports Hezbolah in Lebanon.--

What will mideast look like if
a nuclear device goes off in Israel or they lose a war??

Posted by: misterbronx22 | June 1, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Diehl has already ajudicated the incident and has ruled that Israel is guilty. Who could imagine that a Compost reporter would jump to conclusions? Then again, facts don't matter to uber-lib "reporters".

"Netanyahu’s decision to use military force to stop boats populated with European and American notables...". Au contraire dictator Diehl but the "boats" were populated with terrorists, terrorist sympathizers, and terrorist wannabees. Fortunately, one of the terrorist networks, in this case Al Jizzuminthereara documented this:

http://www.palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=2323

They hardly look like Europeon "peace activists" and notables unless your idea of a notable is one whose picture is hanging in the post office.

Posted by: freepost | June 1, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

How to deal with Israel. Let's see.... The Turkish military searched another ship that is attempting to break the blockade of weapons going to Gaza. The found, among other things, gas masks, bullet proof vests. false passports, gas and other weapons. Furthermore, 56 passengers signed up for that "cruise" are affiliated with Al Qaida and other terrorist organizations. Oh, and hundreds of thousands of dollars are being handed out by certain terrorist affiliated passengers. So, how to deal with Israel???? How about we call in our air force and sink that ship.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | June 1, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Are you really this stupid Diehl? No, just evil. Amazing how much you hate America.

Posted by: chucky-el | June 1, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Nutn'Yahoo and his backers needs to spend a couple of months in Nazi concentration camp to jog his memory regarding right and wrong on how to treat people.

Posted by: pt1836metz | June 1, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

USS Liberty (AGTR-5)

Israel's behavior5 hasn't improved one bit over the last forty years.

And Liberty's crew STILL isn't allowed to talk.

Turkey ISD an American Ally, under NATO and deserves our support. Israel has never been an ally, just a bunch of spoiled brats who expect the U.S. to get them out of trouble when they pull stunts like this.

Call our Ambassador home, close the U. S. Mission to Tel Aviv, and don't go back.

American cluster bomb bomblets maim kids in Lebanon on a regular basis, and we sell Israel replacement bombs.

Israel doesn't want peace, and will never make peace as long as it can demand that the U.S. support them when they do this kind of banditry.

SO, since God gives them their place in the Middle east, they don't need us, and we don't need the enemies and can't afford Israel as a friend.

Call home our Ambassador and get it over with.

Posted by: ceflynline | June 1, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

How to deal with Israel. Let's see.... The Turkish military searched another ship that is attempting to break the blockade of weapons going to Gaza. The found, among other things, gas masks, bullet proof vests. false passports, gas and other weapons. Furthermore, 56 passengers signed up for that "cruise" are affiliated with Al Qaida and other terrorist organizations. Oh, and hundreds of thousands of dollars are being handed out by certain terrorist affiliated passengers. So, how to deal with Israel???? How about we call in our air force and sink that ship.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | June 1, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse


...how to deal with the coward Netanyahoo?...

...Earth Americas President Obama should challenge Netanyahoo to a fist fight and let the world see how the physically inferior Israeli does in a fair fight...

...and let the world see how the modern day Israeli has allowed his body to become a mass of mucus and loose fat...

...thus causing him to be afraid of his own shadow...

...and thus too quick on the trigger...

...and a good A55 WHOOPING by President Obama would do Netanyahoo a world of good...

...and possibly knock some sense into him...

...because it is obvious that the coward Netanyahoo has lost his mind...


Posted by: moon-base-alpha | June 1, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse


No reason to do anything other than end our financial and military relationship with Israel. Obviously, they do not need our money, which they use to build housing where it is not supposed to be, or our military supplies and munitions, which they use to gun down Palestinian civilians.

All Israel is for the United States, is a huge drain on our pocketbook, and an even bigger embarrassment!


Posted by: surfer-joe | June 1, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

"But Obama has not handled Netanyahu well"... President Obama "chose to side against Israel".

How DARE the U.S. President criticize his boss in Israel.

President Obama had better watch himself, or Netanyahu may decide to turn down our generous military aid package next year. Then this country may have to face the prospect of Israeli special ops forces dropping onto a humanitarian flotilla out of some other county's helicopters, and not U.S. made Blackhawks!

For my entire adult life, and I am 55 years old, Israel has basically controlled our federal government thru AIPAC. Apparently they have theirs hooks into the author of this article as well.

Posted by: hodad1 | June 1, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Exhausted the margin??? What are you talking about? Israel is now a liability not an asset for the US in the ME. There is a great deal of margin. Indeed, the US wants to dissociate with Israel and Mr. NetanYAHOO just handed Mr. Obama another piece of leverage to do so. The trouble is that Israel's position is getting worse and they just don't get it.

Posted by: longjohns | June 1, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Obama hadn't handled Netanyahu well? Netanyahu is nuts and so are you. About time we ask the Israeli nutjobs to take a hike. If they don't have brains, or choose to act like they they don't have one, why is it our problem? How many times do we pull them out of the hole they keep digging themselves into?

Besides, there is a moral and humanitarian question. You may pretent it doesn't exist, but the world sees it all very clearly.

Posted by: roberto3 | June 1, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

"European and American notables?" Try washed-up, limelight-seeking has-beens, terrorist-dupes, and hand-wringers playing "humanitarian." Perhaps Israel has taught these, er, notables, that if you associate with terrorists and murderers you will be treated the same way as they. Will this lesson carry enough of an impact to penetrate the "notables'" skulls? It better, because if not, then the Israelis have other things that will.

Such hypocrites. Just the other day, in the usual Moslem murder frenzy, religious fanatics killed 80 and wounded 100 worshipers in Pakistan. The very same day as the incident at sea, terrorists in Lahore, Pakistan attacked The Jinnah hospital and murdered 12 people. So, where were the lofty "notables" with their fine, humanitarian ideas condemning the savagery? Nowhere in evidence. If it ain't Israel, it ain't worth screaming about, apparently. What simpletons and terrorist-dupes these fine "humanitarians" are. They certainly are notable for that. Hamas must be laughing itself silly.

Posted by: RichardHode | June 1, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Here is a video of real rockets
www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7fj97-UckI

The Hamas rocketeers can't even get a Stinger.

Posted by: jw765 | June 1, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

The following is the transcript from Al-Jazeera TV:
Reporter: “Despite the Israeli threats and several unexpected delays, the arrival of the ships at the meeting point before sailing to the Gaza Strip inflamed the emotions and the enthusiasm of the participants.”
Visuals from Gaza flotilla ship of young Muslims shouting Islamic battle chant invoking the killing and defeat of Jews in battle:
“[Remember] Khaibar, Khaibar, oh Jews! The army of Muhammad will return!”
[Khaibar is the name of last Jewish village defeated by Muhammad's army and it marked the end of Jewish presence in Arabia in 628.]
Reporter: “While singing songs reminiscent of the Palestinian Intifada (Palestinian terror war against Israel, 2000 – 2005), participants expressed their longing to reach Gaza.”
A participant: “Right now we face one of two happy endings: either Martyrdom or reaching Gaza.” [Based on Islamic call before battle: "Either victory or Martyrdom".]
[Al-Jazeera TV, May 29, 2010]

Posted by: misterbronx22 | June 1, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

One word: SANCTIONS!

Posted by: dogsbestfriend | June 1, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

One word: SANCTIONS!

Posted by: dogsbestfriend | June 1, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse


From what I have read and heard from various sources, it appears Israel was baited and mired in a trap by those in the Middle East who want to portray Israel as a rogue nation.

I just heard Ambassador Peck admit on TV that they were testing Israel by not allowing Israel to inspect their cargo and dare Israel by being defiant and provocative.

Would the US stand for a flotilla doing this to our nation?

The anti-Israel sentiment in our government, liberal MSM/elite (I call them sellouts), and a misguided few, does not reflect the sentiment of a majority of Americans.

If we don't support Israel in the Middle East, then who do we support? Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, Syria, Libya?

I remember seeing Obama and Hillary in 2008, going to AIPAC speaking to the Jewish community saying they will always support Israel.

Hollow words. All they were doing was pandering for votes.

The fact that Obama has not backed Israel and snubbed Netanyahu has emboldened Israel's enemies and this brazen flotilla taunting Israel is just the latest manifestation of Obama's latest blunder.

Posted by: janet8 | June 1, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

U.S. MIDDLE EAST POLICY.

The U.S. should simply back out of the Middle East and let those IN that region settle things among themselves.

Posted by: gglenc | June 1, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Israel is America's sacred cow.

Posted by: politbureau | June 1, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Why america give money to ISRAEL? Because FEDS (ISRAEL) run america. They can take as much money they want. OPM. Israel uses Gentile money by taxing gentiles.

Real Super Power : Israel
Real President: Netanyahu
Real senate :AIPAC

America job is shut their mouth and give what israel wants. That is what america is doing past 60 years.

It is not America treating israel with kid gloves , it is other way around. Israel can rough up american president any day , any time.

Netanyahu can call up obama or hillar to his hotel like a slave servant.

Astonishing thing is Obama and hillary run...that is funny part.

70% americans do not know AIPAC run america. Wake up people.

Watch arrival movie. Aliens are jewish. hahaha.

Posted by: Alexk2 | June 1, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Netanyahu is not some wayward son who needs to be "handled" by the Obama administration. He is a full-grown adult.

He is also bellicose, belligerent, a fascist and a murderer -- much like that fat general, Sharon, who ran the country for years.

The biggest difference between the two is that with Sharon, you always knew what was coming, as murderous as he was.

With Netanyahu, on the other hand, we're dealing with a slithering snake who is unpredictable and driven by skewed emotions. He is stunningly unfit to run that country and he, along with the rest of that deranged Likud faction, should be removed from office.

Immediately.

Posted by: loulor | June 1, 2010 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Diehl, Well said. Because the Obama administration did not give enough way to the Netanyahu administration to gain their confidence, now it is in a very awkward position. It dares not criticize Israel openly and protect Israel behind the scene. I think that the US is the biggest loser in the whole fiasco. We lost the privilege to wipe behind Israel.

Posted by: faceonmars | June 1, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

A bizarre column -- Netanyahu authorized this episode, to take place as he was about to reach the White House: just
imagine if he had.... that would have been quite a press conference!

Posted by: esthermiriam | June 2, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Well, the time to deal with Israel is long past. We might ask why we had trillions stolen from our 401K's and bank accounts by American Jewish financial institutions. Banks in Israel that suffered not one cent in the American financial fiasco.
Sept. 11 when the best jewish network heard not one word regarding 9/11.
I grew up a child of coal industry poverty, a child who never knew the father who returned from war when she was three years old. I lived with a father for 20yrs. who never ever acknowleded my being.
I was a victim of ww2.
Yes Jews can wallow in ww2 as children like me were left adrift.
Brokow can write a book about the "greatest generation" and forget about the women and children who were left adrift.
I acccept that I will die alone in the near future, that is my legacy of WW2.

Posted by: JillCalifornia | June 2, 2010 12:29 AM | Report abuse

"If the Obama administration had been skillful in managing its relationship with the difficult Israeli government of Benjamin Netanyahu ...

"Obama would be in this bind regardless of what he had done in the last year."

Make up your mind.

Posted by: jprice2 | June 2, 2010 7:26 AM | Report abuse

once again Diehl (like other WaPo Israel apologists) lays the blame for Israel's foibles at the White House doorstep. He claims the among Obama's mistakes was his
"pointless and unwinable battles to freeze Israeli settlement construction in Jerusalem." Pointless? Maybe to Diehl and others who feel that Israel has the right to do whatever it pleases, regardless of whom it impacts. But what about the Palestinians whose territory is being carved up the way South Africa's apartheid govt did the black homelands? Which is probably where Israel learned that tactic. After all, they were the apartheid regime's only ally when the rest of the world boycotted Pretoria. If it were anyone else, we would hear about the importance of tough love, but when it comes to Israel, we're all expected to pretend that they can do no wrong, no matter how egregious their behavior.

Posted by: eomcmars | June 2, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

US columnist faults US President for his handling of tiny, war mongering, parasitic foreign entity 4000 miles away, AGAIN. Time to move to Tel Aviv. Fight your own wars.

Posted by: jhynde | June 2, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Netanyahu:

"The international community cannot afford an Iranian port on the Mediterranean...The same countries that are criticizing us today, should know that they could be targeted tomorrow."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_israel_flotilla

That was veil threat at european countries if you criticize israel we create another 9/11 by mozzad. Then you will side with us.

Netanyahu take the world to worldwar III very quickly if he stay another 5 years. hahaha.

Netanyahu is a reckless idiot and dangerous man.

He should have apoligised for loss of deaths and should play his card differently. He acts like and reckless idiot.

Israel is better off without him. He lacks imagination.

What israel should have done is go with full force then no would have fought. When u go with 10 when u have 600 people , theis is the end result whether they are civilians or babies.

They treated the people on the floatilla as hamas. That is where they made a mistake. They should have treated them as israelis and removed them quietly.

What i see though Netanyahu is trying confrontational approach. What it do is wake up all countries who are borderline supporters of israel to see israel is not asset but more problem.

No one like hamas or muslim extremist , just because someone criticize israel bad handling , does not mean they are against israel and siding with hamas.

Tell netanyahu to apologize to turkey for loss of deaths.

I find netanyahu as dangerous idiot who is interested in flaming World war III.

Things do not happen our time but it build up.

Russia wanted to be part of Western world , BUSH and Georgia did the same stupid stuff with US warship in black sea. What happen?

Russia feverishly working on submarines and revamping nukes. Russia see they are the target number 1 for Israel. Stupid people woke up russia. Russia was disorganized before now there is new cold war going on between israel and russia.

Israel should play cards quietly without showing i am the boss of the world.

Tact is lacking in netanyahu. He should go!.

Posted by: Alexk2 | June 2, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

This is a must see video clip for anyone seriously interested in the whole saga of the Flotilla Raid

www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOGG_osOoVg

It seems to put some real prospective to this whole tragic situation

Posted by: GCHRV | June 4, 2010 1:33 AM | Report abuse

I've come across a curious investigation, carried out by some Israeil historian named Schlomo Sand (here's the wiki-article about him — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schlomo_Sand). He considers the roots of the conflict to lie at the the so-called "deadend of the national mythologization".

I've come to know about the guy here — http://www.win.ru/en/ideas/4549.phtml

Posted by: last_boy_scout | June 7, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

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