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Are Democrats chuckling about Michele Bachmann's Tea Party?

I don’t think Rep. Michele Bachmann, the very right-wing Republican from Minnesota, is doing her party any favors by creating a Tea Party Caucus in the House of Representatives. In fact, I imagine that this is the first thing Bachmann has done in a long time that will make Democrats happy.

Not surprisingly, Bachmann declared herself chair of the caucus, for which she filed paperwork on Thursday. “This caucus will espouse the timeless principles of our founding, principles that all Members of Congress have sworn to uphold,” she declared. “The American people are doing their part and making their voices heard and this caucus will prove that there are some here in Washington willing to listen."

That last part, about proving that “there are some here in Washington willing to listen," is what I suspect will make many Republicans nervous. This will put a lot of people on the line, and force some into an unappetizing choice.

A lot of Republicans would like the Tea Party to rally as many right-of-center voters to the polls as possible but not have to take any responsibility for the movement’s more radical stands or the unseemly rhetoric that issues from some of its supporters. (That now-infamous billboard in Iowa made even some Tea Party people unhappy.)

Bachmann’s move will make it harder for them to avoid the question of whether they are with the Tea party or against it. Those Republicans who do sign up could turn off more moderate voters. Those who don’t might have to worry about future primaries supported by the Tea Party. We’ve already seen how even very conservative Republicans -- Sen. Bob Bennett of Utah is Exhibit No. 1 – can be declared not-right-enough by these folks.

Bennett himself issued a warning to his fellow Republicans about the Tea Party in an interview with the Associated Press. "With the tea party creating the mischief that it is in Colorado, we may not win that seat,” he said. “My sources in Nevada say with Sharon Angle there's no way Harry Reid loses in Nevada," he said about the Tea Party Republican challenging the Senate’s Democratic majority leader.

He added that Rand Paul, another Tea Party favorite, could lose the Republicans what had looked like a safe seat in Kentucky. But Bennett credited Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell with “pulling [Paul] back from some of his more dangerous statements.”

The clearest sign of Tea Party damage to the G.O.P. was a Mason-Dixon poll for the Las Vegas Review-Journal released today. It lends support to what Bennett’s sources in Nevada have told him. As Laura Myers reported for the paper:

The Mason-Dixon poll showed that if the general election were held now, Reid would win 44 percent to 37 percent for Angle. Ten percent were undecided, 5 percent would choose "none of these candidates," and the remaining 4 percent would pick another candidate on the ballot.

That is the best Reid has done against Angle this year in a series of Mason-Dixon polls. Previously, the two had been locked in a statistical dead heat with Angle finishing just ahead of Reid in February, 44 percent to 42 percent, and in June, 44 percent to 41 percent, and Reid finishing just ahead of Angle in May, 42 percent to 39 percent.

The phone survey, taken Monday through Wednesday of 625 likely voters in Nevada, is the first in which Reid has finished ahead of Angle outside the margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.

By the way, “none of these candidates” is actually an option on the Nevada ballot, which could help Reid by draining off protest votes.

So at the very moment many Republicans are trying to figure out how to finesse the Tea Party, Bachmann is setting out to make the finesse a little bit harder. You wonder if some in her party will try to talk her out of forming her new caucus. Very quietly, of course.

By E.J. Dionne  | July 16, 2010; 7:24 PM ET
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Give that woman a microphone! And Paul and Angle. The more people hear from them, the better decisions they will make come election time.

Posted by: bertram2 | July 16, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Give that woman a microphone! And Paul and Angle. The more people hear from them, the better decisions they will make come election time.

Posted by: bertram2 | July 16, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

We hear a lot about how diverse the teabaggers are. So it's highly unlikely this caucus will consist entirely of white Republicans.
But seriously, Democrats really need to remind the voters that despicable McCarthyites like Bachmann are mainstream Republicans.

Posted by: hellslittlestangel1 | July 16, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Let them speak. If I were the Democrats, I'd buy hour-long blocks of TV air time and give them to the Tea Party to have debates amongst themselves.

Posted by: baldinho | July 16, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

I think we should poll her about if she is pro America or anti America and whether she supports an armed uprising.

If u vote for this woman, u r a retard

Posted by: Chops2 | July 16, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

This comes as no surprise to anyone who has followed the pathetic path of Michele Bachmann's political career. She cares not about the taxpayers or party or anyone else--only about Michele Bachmann. This is simply another vehicle for Michele Bachmann to promote herself at taxpayer expense. She's already assigned a taxpayer-paid staffer to handle her newly created duties as head of this sham. Sadly, this is too complex for Minnesota political reporters to figure out, which explains why Bachmann continues to be elected in a supposedly "librul" state like Minnesota.

Posted by: saintcroix | July 16, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

I have to agree with some of the previous comments - let Bachmann, Angle and others like them talk loud and long. The more we hear from them, the better it looks for Democrats in November.

Posted by: EnemyOfTheState | July 16, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Pres. Obama just finish campaigning for Reid?

It looks like he isn't as toxic as the GOP has tried to make him or Harry out to be!

Posted by: AverageJane | July 16, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Take the felony fraud vote out in Minnesota, and Al Franken doesn't have a job. I guess that's something the Democratic leadership must be very proud of. Then, there's the New Black Party voter intimidation case that Holder refuses to prosecute. Sounds like that must be a hoot as well at the DNC. And Jealous was ranting about what? No, the Democrats need to be chided and punished. It's only fair, and overdue.

Posted by: Backgroundthoughts | July 16, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

I would really like for the democrats to start running against Rush, Glenn and the tea party. To force the elected leaders to endorse or reject Rush and Glenn Beck's ideas. Make Rush and Glenn the face of the Republican party. Force the Republican leaders stand with them or against them. Make the republican party stand for something other than no.

Posted by: randy_l | July 16, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Stop the pretense. ALL republicons believe the foolish nonsensical trie the tea baggers froith at the mouth about. Just a few of them are just about smart enough not to say so too loudly in public. THESE are the people you are voting for if you are foolish enough to vote rpeublicon. Personally after what they did to my great nation in the last 30 years there is no way i would ever vote for a republicon/tea bag conservative.

Posted by: John1263 | July 16, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Typical Dem policy. Never an open fair discussion, just slander anyone in opposition.

Posted by: MRGB | July 16, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

background, there was no felony votes in Minnesota. The Black Panther case was dropped by the BUSH justice dept before Obama or Holder were ever in office. If your hero thought it was a loser, why should Holder pursue it? GOP=losers.

Posted by: mikel7 | July 16, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

mrgb, what is slander about the truth? bachman is a nimrod, Case closed. No slander, tgruth. Deal with it.

Posted by: mikel7 | July 16, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q7XH8lfGMc&feature=related
This is a foreshadowing of what a caucus meeting may look like. In other words, a bunch of juvenile idiots.

Posted by: fishman2 | July 16, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Are you just upset that there might be some group other than the Hispanic Caucus and the Black Caucus? Is it wrong to have a caucus with people mainly worried about fiscal responsibility or must they only be relating to the democratic agendas relying on people's heritage or race?

Posted by: justmyvoice | July 16, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

to all the ELITIST, SELF-impressed DIMocRATS (who may be reading this),

the REASON that your party will lose BOTH houses of Congress this fall AND the WH in 2012 is that you don't understand that the TEA PARTY is the MIDDLE of the American political spectrum.

this is a CENTER/RIGHT nation (at least the part that's NOT inside the beltway and/or in the decaying cities of the NE & parts of the left coast) and is likely to remain so, permanently.

had the AVERAGE voter known what BHO was in November of 2008, he would be the Junior Senator from IL, for the rest of his career BUT we/they were FOOLED.
(at the office building where i work, there were, at this time in 2008, about HALF of the >100 cars/trucks with BHO bumperstickers. today, there were exactly TWO! - otoh, there were still eight cars with KERRY-EDWARDS stickers!)

NONE of the moderate, conservative & rightwing voters will be FOOLED this November. furthermore, we will finish the job in 2012.- we "common folks" will simply vote the DIMocRATS out & make the DIMs the minority party, for at least a generation.

as for the GOP, we Tea Partiers will TAKE OVER the party. - we do NOT want "a seat at the table". - we will NOT accept anything less than CONTROL.

btw LIBs/LEFTISTS, get ready to say "ADIOS" to "obamacare", "amnesty for illegal aliens", "cap & trade", "gun control", "wasteful spending on social experiments" & a host of other LEFTIST foolishness, as those NEEDLESS/STUPID ideas will be DUMPED about 90 days after we beat BHO (that's if he survives the 2012 DIMocRAT primary - i'm not at all sure that the DIMs won't dump him for a more radical/LEFTIST/extremist.), the RINOs & the most of the remaining DIMocRATS in NOV of 2012.

should any LEFTIST DIMocRAT office-holders be reading this, you really should start polishing your resume & perpare to seek "other employment" for the years after 2012, IF you are not from a REALLY "safe district".

just my opinion.

yours, TN46
coordinator, CCTPP

Posted by: texasnative46 | July 17, 2010 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Before we chuckle too much, the Tea Party caucus is way ahead of the CBC and the Hispanic caucus. What has the CBC done for America or the black man. Nothing. What has the Hispanic caucus done for America or the Hispanics. Nothing. On the other hand the Tea Party caucus will represent all American's. Beat that.

Posted by: houstonian | July 17, 2010 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Before we chuckle too much, the Tea Party caucus is way ahead of the CBC and the Hispanic caucus. What has the CBC done for America or the black man. Nothing. What has the Hispanic caucus done for America or the Hispanics. Nothing. On the other hand the Tea Party caucus represents all American's. Beat that.

Posted by: houstonian | July 17, 2010 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Before we chuckle too much, the Tea Party caucus is way ahead of the CBC and the Hispanic caucus. What has the CBC done for America or the black man. Nothing. What has the Hispanic caucus done for America or the Hispanics. Nothing. On the other hand the Tea Party caucus will represent all American's. Beat that.

Posted by: houstonian | July 17, 2010 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Stop the pretense. ALL republicons believe the foolish nonsensical trie the tea baggers froith at the mouth about... Posted by: John1263
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Yes, that foolish nonsense like fiscal responsibility, Constitutional law, lower taxes, limited govt. You know, that "foolish" stuff that the Founders believed in.

Posted by: silencedogoodreturns | July 17, 2010 12:33 AM | Report abuse

actually, Bachmann delights Dems just about every time she opens her mouth. self-absorption can result in some very lousy politics.

Posted by: daphne5 | July 17, 2010 12:42 AM | Report abuse

HAHA! Thank you, texasnative46, for giving me the first good laugh I've had all day.

Posted by: dcnative88 | July 17, 2010 2:26 AM | Report abuse

It is amazing...

A few months ago, it came out that Bachmann has farm land in the soil bank to the tune of thousands and thousands of tax payers dollars...big goverment protecting her from the work and risk of farming...

And did the teabaggers wonder how sincere was her commitment to their beliefs to be sucking on the government teat so successfully?

No... not the least bit interested in her perfidity.

I don't know how Minnesotians, republicans or teabaggers justify her salary.

Posted by: dutchess2 | July 17, 2010 4:54 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure how any of us take Mr. Dionne's commentary as unbiased opinion; but then again, maybe it isn't meant to be. As a Republican, he annoys me with his obvious attempts to pander to a liberal base by higlighting my party's weaknesses (some legitimately). However, he never seems to write about the same issues that the Dems face nor does he even recognize the sometimes blatant inconsistency. For example, how can you write about the perceived racist elements within the Tea Party without recognizing the same within the NAACP, in addition to the failure to prosecute the NBPP? To disregard both as fringe elements is to apply a double standard.

Posted by: bg392 | July 17, 2010 6:19 AM | Report abuse

Bob Bennett said: "With the Tea Party creating the mischief that it is, in Colorado, we may not win that seat.....". So, is that what Sen. Bob Bennett calls American citizens who exercise their RIGHT to organize and RIGHT to FREEDOM OF SPEECH, MISCHIEF MAKERS?

The reason that the Tea Party is freaking out both Democrats and establishment Republicans, is that the Tea Party represents the views of the majority of the voting American People, and they refuse to be told to shut up and sit in a corner. No more!

"WE THE PEOPLE HAVE NOT EXERCISED OUR RIGHTS FOR MANY YEARS. BUT THAT IS OVER! WE PAY TAXES, VOTE, AND ARE THE BACKBONE OF THE AMERICAN SOCIETY.

WE WILL BOTH EXERCISE OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS, AND DO ALL THAT WE CAN TO GET OUR CANDIDATES ELECTED. AND WE WILL DO IT LEGALLY, SOMETHING THAT ESTABLISHMENT POLITICIANS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE JUST DO NOT UNDERSTAND. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY:

WE'LL REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!

Posted by: barrysal | July 17, 2010 6:29 AM | Report abuse

houstonian says: "On the other hand the Tea Party caucus will represent all American's."Are you saying that if you don't agree with the Tea Party you can't be an American? It sure sounds like that's what you're saying.

Posted by: newageblues | July 17, 2010 7:13 AM | Report abuse

ewageblues said: "Are you saying that if you don't agree with the Tea Party you can't be an American? It sure sounds like that's what you're saying."

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Actually, it is saying exactly what the teabagger leader Sarah Palin says all the time. Palin divides this country by declaring there are "Real" Americans, versus those of us who are apparently not "Real" americans. But seriously, ewageblues, because I don't agree with the teabaggers, I am definitely not the "Real" american as Sarah Palin describes. I am part of the productive, engaged population who thinks the teabaggers are rude, stupid angry well-off white trailer trash.

Posted by: swatkins1 | July 17, 2010 7:23 AM | Report abuse

Stop the pretense. ALL republicons believe the foolish nonsensical trie the tea baggers froith at the mouth about... Posted by: John1263
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Yes, that foolish nonsense like fiscal responsibility, Constitutional law, lower taxes, limited govt. You know, that "foolish" stuff that the Founders believed in.

Posted by: silencedogoodreturns | July 17, 2010 12:33 AM | Report abuse

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You've been silent since Reagan when he gave the richest Americans everything they wanted and you've not opened your little mouth for the past twenty years,but sat back and watched your party bankrupt this country while giving Wall Street anything it wanted. Republicans don't know anything about smaller government because they take every handout the government gives them. Fiscal responsibility is a figment of rightwing imagination. They've never been fiscally responsible and do nothing but whine about paying their fair share of taxes. What lousy Americans you are when you resent paying your taxes. The Dems aren't whining about that, nor are they screaming in the streets like hyenas. The filth on the right and the rot at their core is a pox on our country. The outright racism of the teabaggers is evident everywhere and they are so racist that they have embarrassed our nation by refusing to believe Obama was born here. The only President in our history to be so maligned. Why did they wait for the black man to challenge a President's citizenship? You yell for less government but cannot name anything you are willing to do without. Obama has reduced taxes for those earning less the $250,000, so if you didn't get a tax cut, you must be rich. fritz

Posted by: papafritz571 | July 17, 2010 7:26 AM | Report abuse

Typical Dem policy. Never an open fair discussion, just slander anyone in opposition.

Posted by: MRGB | July 16, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

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Hey skippy, what's slanderous about using video of the candidates actually making the statements?

Let them talk, they'll cut their own throats.

Posted by: notfooledbydistractions1 | July 17, 2010 7:45 AM | Report abuse

It seems that a lot of self-identified Tea Partiers here think that most people feel the way they do. "If I think this, so must everyone else" is a very common trap of faulty thinking. The Tea Party is not the mainstream, guys; it's the lunatic fringe. It just gets a lot of attention.

Posted by: doublehelix | July 17, 2010 7:51 AM | Report abuse

Take the felony fraud vote out in Minnesota, and Al Franken doesn't have a job. I guess that's something the Democratic leadership must be very proud of.
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Despite what Fox and right wing talk radio say, Senator Franken was elected by a majority of Minnesotans. There was no fraud so stop spreading that lie.

The court that validated the election consisted of Democratic, Republican and Independent party appointees.

Minnesotans are better educated, well informed and vote in larger numbers than most other states. It was a close election. The Democratic candidate won after an orderly recount.

Posted by: MNUSA | July 17, 2010 8:08 AM | Report abuse

Typical Dem policy. Never an open fair discussion, just slander anyone in opposition.

Posted by: MRGB
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MRGB - sorry, there is a typo in you rant. You must have meant to say Typical Republicretin policy. Like when Dick-Head Cheney called everyone who didn't support the war a traitor, or did your IQ of 66 cause you to forget that?

Posted by: xconservative | July 17, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Why so intolerant? Why are so many posters against upholding the constitution? Very telling.

Bachmann is forcing both sides of the aisle to either recognize the founding wisdom, constitutional intent, law, or denounce them.

It's political suicide for congress to stand AGAINST what they have been sworn to uphold!

I love it! Good job Michele!

Posted by: stvjo | July 17, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

It seems that a lot of self-identified Tea Partiers here think that most people feel the way they do.

Posted by: doublehelix

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Yeah imagine that - TEA has the audacity to think lefties actually care about rule of law, and the constitution.

Posted by: stvjo | July 17, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Republicans ... paying taxes .... doing without ... racism... black POTUS.

Posted by: papafritz571on July 17, 2010 7:26 AM
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TEA is not republican or democrat they are American. No one resents paying tax, we resent paying UNFAIR amounts of tax which is about 60%, if you add up all, federal, state, local, and embedded taxation. Most TEA members don't collect handouts from gov't - so we are already "doing without". Most TEA members are not rich, we are the working man. We are not racist, we are all colors. Obama citizenship question was proposed by birthers, not TEA.

Do tell us if TEA is so irrelevant why so much hate leveled at them on WaPo?

Posted by: stvjo | July 17, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

The more Representative Bachmann touts the virtues of the Tea Party, the more publicity the TP will receive and the more the TP will be pointed out as false patriots who undermine the Constitution in the name of patriotism. I can think of no better way to refute and detoxify the tea Party's poison than to expose their falsehoods to the light of day. Go for it, Ms. Bachmann.

Posted by: bloommarko4 | July 17, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

The more Representative Bachmann touts the virtues of the Tea Party, the more publicity the TP will receive and the more the TP will be pointed out as false patriots who undermine the Constitution in the name of patriotism. I can think of no better way to refute and detoxify the tea Party's poison than to expose their falsehoods to the light of day. Go for it, Ms. Bachmann.

Posted by: bloommarko4 | July 17, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

The more Representative Bachmann touts the virtues of the Tea Party, the more publicity the TP will receive and the more the TP will be pointed out as false patriots who undermine the Constitution in the name of patriotism. I can think of no better way to refute and detoxify the Tea Party's poison than to expose their falsehoods to the light of day. Go for it, Ms. Bachmann.

Posted by: bloommarko4 | July 17, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

What falsehoods?

Posted by: stvjo | July 17, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

One comment:

Yes, that foolish nonsense like fiscal responsibility, Constitutional law, lower taxes, limited govt. You know, that "foolish" stuff that the Founders believed in.

And another:

TEA is not republican or democrat they are American. No one resents paying tax, we resent paying UNFAIR amounts of tax which is about 60%, if you add up all, federal, state, local, and embedded taxation. Most TEA members don't collect handouts from gov't - so we are already "doing without". Most TEA members are not rich, we are the working man. We are not racist, we are all colors. Obama citizenship question was proposed by birthers, not TEA.

Do tell us if TEA is so irrelevant why so much hate leveled at them on WaPo?
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Thanks to both of you. As a Tea Party member, I couldn't have said it better. It's a sad day in America when average, middle- to upper-middle class people who happen to be white can't express their opinion about the utterly irresponsible spending of the federal government without that being somehow "racist" or "out of the mainstream."

How many of you Dems pay your household bills in full and on time, go to work each day, and obey the law? A lot of you? Then, surprise, surprise -- you are abiding by conservative principles.

Quit trying to marginalize a group of decent Americans who are expressing their (for the moment) Constitutionally-protected opinion under the First Admendment. Or at least show some intellectual consistency by condemning the violence that blacks displayed in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, and even in this decade over jury decisions, perceived racism, etc., or the WTO protesters who set fire to cars and otherwise unleash mayhem in the streets whenever or wherever the WTO meets. And if you're going to condemn the Tea Partiers because it's 99% white people, why don't you condemn the Green Party for the same reason, or, for that matter, the environmental, pro-choice, and gay rights movements in general as these are made up of nearly 100% whites? If you weren't such utter cowards and hypocrites, you'd be condemning minorities in this country for their lack of participation in such movements. And rather than condeming the Tea Party for a lack of black participants, maybe the better question is: Why do so few blacks seem to care about our 12-digit national debt?

While you libs complain about Tea Partiers expressing their opinions, our freedoms are gradually being whittled away. I went into a restaurant last night, and there wasn't a salt shaker to be found. That might sound like a trivial thing to you libs who want to force your religion of liberalism on everyone, including your dietary prohibitions, but I for one don't see it that way. It is yet one more small step to the government controlling our diets (because they now or soon will control our healthcare) and soon, more and more aspects of our everyday lives. You "liberals" are anything but.

Posted by: RedderThanEver | July 17, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Michelle Bachmann is a Sarah Palin wanna-be. She looks at the slavish adoration Sarah gets from her ignorant followers, the media attention and, most of all, the big bucks for doing nothing and saying nothing other than vague platitudes. Not a single real policy position comes from her mouth. Ms. Bachmann follows Ms. Palin around like a lovesick teenager and craves the adoration, the attention and the MONEY.
Deep within, she has to be thinking, "Why her? Why not ME, ME, ME?"
These two women are all about themselves, period. Unfortunately, they are doing a lot of damage with their narcissism.

Posted by: colton | July 17, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Well said Redder! No substance or evidence to the accusations against the decent Americans of TEA, just parroting sheeple who are spewing the regurgitated hate of progressive media and blogs.

Followers, the whole lot of them.

Posted by: stvjo | July 17, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

"Michelle Bachmann is a Sarah Palin wanna-be. She looks at the slavish adoration Sarah gets from her ignorant followers, the media attention and, most of all, the big bucks for doing nothing and saying nothing other than vague platitudes. Not a single real policy position comes from her mouth. Ms. Bachmann follows Ms. Palin around like a lovesick teenager and craves the adoration, the attention and the MONEY.
Deep within, she has to be thinking, "Why her? Why not ME, ME, ME?"
These two women are all about themselves, period. Unfortunately, they are doing a lot of damage with their narcissism."

And you know this...exactly how, pray tell? Michelle Bachmann is an attorney who worked as a prosecutor, raised five biological children, and, with her husband, also raised 23 foster children. She now serves as an duely elected politician. What have YOU done that compares with that? Why the projection of jealousy on your part? Do you hate all assertive women, or just assertive women who are successful without towing the liberal line? People like you ought to examine their own irrational thoughts, insecurities, narcissism, and, yes -- jealousness of others.

Posted by: RedderThanEver | July 17, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Funny thing is, Bachmann is highlighting something that voters should know instinctively, there isn't a sliver of a chance, even if the Republicans gain seats in the midterms, that Tea Party extremists like Angle and Paul will be able to enact their beliefs legislatively. Bachmann's "solution", naming herself the head of a tiny caucus of fringe dwellers, is certainly not going to change their status. More likely it will only serve to alienate what remains of the pragmatic wing of the GOP, who clearly prefer to use the TP to achieve their aims, not to foster the reverse. I'm not a Republican, but if I was, I would surely wish that Goody Bachmann confined herself to naming witches and shilling conspiracy theories, leaving the grown ups in the village to deal with the actual business at hand.

Posted by: Koko3 | July 17, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Just give her a bigger microphone. She, Angle, Rand, that nutty governor of Arizona, Michael Steele and thier ilk along with occassional assists from Congressmen like Joe Barton and Senator like Boehner are doing a much better job of campainging for Democrats than Democrats are; just let them talk, talk, talk.

Posted by: withersb | July 17, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

"...that nutty governor of Arizona..."

Yes, she's "nutty" because she supports a State law that mirrors federal law -- namely, that if a person is stopped on suspicion of committing a crime, that he/she can also be asked about their citizenship status. And for this, people such as yourself call her "nutty."

To all of you rational people out there, I submit that this type of thinking is exactly why we find ourselves in the situation we're in, with 12+ million illegals, double-digit unemployment, and 12-digit debt. And this, no doubt, portends our future, unless we take action now.

Posted by: RedderThanEver | July 17, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

The funny things with the so-called tea party members on this thread are as follows:
-The angst over the Tea Party Caucus is coming from Republicans, not Democrats. Democrats could care less, other than hoping that it does happen. Poll after poll debunks this idea that the tea party is a favored group by a majority of Americans. It isn't even favored outsided the Republican Party among Independents, and now Republicans are growing weary of the good chances they once had of making more substantial gains in the midterms.

Next, the pictures speak for themselves. While the tea party may not have a racist platform, they certainly are filled with racist members from top to bottom, or are my lying eyes deceiving me? Plus, no one ever sees but middle aged white people at any of these crowds, so stop with the "we're a group of people from all races" spin.

People are enjoying the lowest tax rates, at least working people are, in the last 30 years. These are facts, not speculation, but facts are not a big forte of "low information" voters-a term used by Republicans(leaked document), not anyone else.

Where was the tea party when the Republican Party took a $5 trillion surplus and turned it into a $1.2 trillion deficit? However, now it's the current administration's fault that they have to clean up this mess.

The NBPP story is a non-story like someone has pointed out. The Bush Justice Dept decided not to prosecute a case that didn't exist. How can two Black men intimidate white people at a virtually all-Black precinct? Isn't that one of the last places one would go to perform that sort of vile act? Plus, not one person has filed a complaint of voter intimidation, so where's the case to prosecute? Listening to Fox News is making "low information" voters "dumbed down" voters, but that's how they want all of you.

To quote Larry Bartels of Princeton University, one of several people that concluded a study on facts in politics and how they have no effect on the opinions of a lot of people:

‎"The political ignorance of the American voter is one of the best documented data in political science."

Posted by: thhalejr01 | July 17, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Dionne and Milbank stoking hate on the Tea Party; Dionne isolating Rep. Bachmann and Milbank isolating the economist Thomas Sowell. Hmmm...reminds me of the Cultural Revolution of Mao in the 60's. For those of you lefties who don't have a clue how you became one (lineage, indoctrination, osmosis, resentment ?), I refer you to the historical example of the Red Guard, shock troops of mostly "idealistic" youth: Isolate an individual with politically incorrect tendencies; harass, pillory, and otherwise publicly persecute the "running dog"; and then send the miscreant to a re-education camp. Enlightened self-criticism always followed--or else...

Who could be more politically incorrect these days than a white conservative woman or a black conservative economist? And who more prejudiced to point them out than two entrenched agents of agitprop like Dionne and Milbank?

Don't like my analogy to Communism? Dissect the flaws. Many people forget that the exact term, "political correctness" originated during the Cultural Revolution. What followed was retrograde mayhem, as even the commies eventually recognized. Don't delude yourself that some ideas of justice are anything other than pure hate. Or do we have to go further back into history? The French Revolution...?

Posted by: elgropo1 | July 17, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Koko3, Tea Party extremists? Really? Have you been to a TEA rally? There are millions of TEA supporters. Tea is not radical, nor frindge. You can deny this reality, but my how suprised you will all be, come November.

If the belief in our founding principals and the constitution will alienate republicans then great - we don't need them. We will join forces and elect those who do believe in American principals, despite party.

Last thing look at what has become of the democratic party - a child like POTUS, who is in over his head. And followers that parrot insults and accusations without merit or fact. These are your idea of grown ups?

Posted by: stvjo | July 17, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

stvo

You are a typically delusional teabagger who sees "millions" where there are at best a handful, pampered and inflated by the media because the offensive and ugly spectacle you produce makes for good TV. The rest of us aren't now, nor ever will, buy it. And a "child-like" president? Really???? In his deepest sleep he could win a debate against any Republican you care to name, and that includes the dead ones you have to keep reaching back for to give yourselves any semblance of credibility (sorry it doesn't work). Most of your members can't spell C-A-T and require assistance to tie their own shoes, and haven't the slightest clue about history, ethics, or legalities. But keep talkin', babe! The more y'all do that, the worse you look.

Bring it.

Posted by: alha1 | July 17, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

"We’ve already seen how even very conservative Republicans -- Sen. Bob Bennett of Utah is Exhibit No. 1 – can be declared not-right-enough by these folks."

What this whistling past the graveyard windbag wants you to forget is that it wasn't until the Republicans went off the rails and started acting like Democrats that the base decided to stay home and punish them. That is when the independents also turned on them.

Most Republicans don't vote for their candidate and hope they will go to DC and act like Democrats. We think bipartisanship is when the Statists cross the aisle and join in on RESPONSIBLE legislation. Not the opposite when a handful of RINOS like Lindsy Goober, John McCain and Olympia Snowe manage to throw in the towel and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory on winning issues like amnesty. This is why the base is disappointed with Scott Brown voting for that 2000+ page Finance Reform bill earlier this week that he didn't even take the time to read. {Hell'va job Brownie!}

The Republican base know that RINOs like Bob Bennett is death by slow poison and must be shown the door. Junior thinking that Bennett is a very conservative Republican is evidence he doesn't know spit form Shinola and this is why hewill be among the most puzzled come Nov 3 when he is writing in his dirt sheet wondering aloud "WTF HAPPENED?"

Real Republicans will send more $$$ and support to Ms Bachmann because she reflects the type of Republican the base has longed for since the beginning of the Century.

So yes PLEASE do the Country a favor and put your money where your mouth is and send her money so she can take that microphone and purchase air time and make herself seen and heard from sea to sea and border to porous border.
The Tea Party accepts your donationions even if you can't get your heads wrapped around our message. And keep tuning in. We realize you have been indotrinated from K - College by pink to the core teachers and proffesors and sooner or later you will realize you have been duped your whole life and our message will start to resonate.

Junior .... Mason-Dixon? Even you would have to admit they are not exactly the EF Hutton of the polling world.

Posted by: jotm1 | July 17, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Michele Bachmann's insane rants are the reason I gave money to her challenger, Tarryl Clark, and urge all Americans interested in restoring civility to our national discourse to do so also.

Posted by: MaineWoman | July 17, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

"We’ve already seen how even very conservative Republicans -- Sen. Bob Bennett of Utah is Exhibit No. 1 – can be declared not-right-enough by these folks."

What this whistling past the graveyard windbag wants you to forget is that it wasn't until the Republicans went off the rails and started acting like Democrats that the base decided to stay home and punish them. That is when the independents also turned on them.

Most Republicans don't vote for their candidate and hope they will go to DC and act like Democrats. We think bipartisanship is when the Statists cross the aisle and join in on RESPONSIBLE legislation. Not the opposite when a handful of RINOS like Lindsy Goober, John McCain and Olympia Snowe manage to throw in the towel and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory on winning issues like amnesty. This is why the base is disappointed with Scott Brown voting for that 2000+ page Finance Reform bill earlier this week that he didn't even take the time to read. {Hell'va job Brownie!}

The Republican base know that RINOs like Bob Bennett is death by slow poison and must be shown the door. Junior thinking that Bennett is a very conservative Republican is evidence he doesn't know spit form Shinola and this is why hewill be among the most puzzled come Nov 3 when he is writing in his dirt sheet wondering aloud "WTF HAPPENED?"

Real Republicans will send more $$$ and support to Ms Bachmann because she reflects the type of Republican the base has longed for since the beginning of the Century.

So yes PLEASE do the Country a favor and put your money where your mouth is and send her money so she can take that microphone and purchase air time and make herself seen and heard from sea to sea and border to porous border.
The Tea Party accepts your donationions even if you can't get your heads wrapped around our message. And keep tuning in. We realize you have been indotrinated from K - College by pink to the core teachers and proffesors and sooner or later you will realize you have been duped your whole life and our message will start to resonate.

Junior .... Mason-Dixon? Even you would have to admit they are not exactly the EF Hutton of the polling world.

Posted by: jotm1 | July 17, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

"Where was the tea party when the Republican Party took a $5 trillion surplus and turned it into a $1.2 trillion deficit? However, now it's the current administration's fault that they have to clean up this mess."

Why did people like YOU not protest a $5 trillion surplus being turned into a $1.2 trillion deficit? And if it was bad then, why is a $12 trillion debt now a GOOD thing? Why are you not applauding us for protesting the out-of-control spending now, especially since it is orders-of-magnitude worse than it was then?

Posted by: RedderThanEver | July 17, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

stvo ... even if there is a power outage and no TelePrompTer?

Have you ever seen Barry under these conditions?

Take away the script and people notice PDQ there hasn't been more double-clutching since "Moving On" went off the air 35 years ago. ...

That's when Barry starts saying things like there are 54 States and confusing Veterans and Memorial Days.

On the plus side, well, at least he doesn't repeatedly say CORPSE-Man when describing a certain MOS of military personnel.

Don't Bogard that joint, my friend.

Posted by: jotm1 | July 17, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Derogatory remarks like alha1's is exactly why TEA ideology has spread.

THANK you!

The new democrat (progressive) party supporters can't have a civil discussion without resorting to insult and sexual name calling. Calling me a teabagger is a reflection on you friend - not me.

There are 300 million people in America. In virtually every poll *half* agree with TEA. But for arguments sake lets say only 1/8 of these are registered voters -- that's still 37.5 million pal.

Yes MILLIONS support TEA, or have TEA ideology.

Specificallly what "offensive and ugly spectacle" are you referring to? Grandparents, workers, and kids waving flags and wearing red, white and blue? Standing up for the constitution? Yes, I suspect that just IRKS the hell out of you and your progressive ilk, doesn't it?

As for the man-child Obama, he can't get through a speech let alone a debate without his teleprompter.

You have superior intelligence? Oh please! Have you seen interviews with TEA side by side the interviews with Obama supporters?? Obamas paying mortgages and giving out free money and TV's right? Just yesterday, Sheila Jackson-Lee (D) was babbling on about a North and South Vietnam. And who can forget Obama's 57 states, or "corps" men? Democrat leadership oozes idiocy! And I though Bush was bad!

In the end, you can rave and name call, all you want - you can't change what's headed your way in November. We are going to bring it, and you're going to eat crow.

Posted by: stvjo | July 17, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

RedderThanEver .... TRY to follow along for this may be difficult for you to grasp.

There never was a 5 Trillion dollars surplus

Any surpulus you were told about was as genuine as "___ {fill in the blank} jos 'saved or created'"

See my earlier post about being indoctrinated by pink to the core teachers and professors, take 2 Xanex and post again in the morning.

Posted by: jotm1 | July 17, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

jotm1 - great minds, eh?

Apparently understanding Americanism, and voting out RHINO's isn't fashionable with progressives. Too bad!

The left and right want us to walk lock-step and FOLLOW the leader silently, like sheep, it' not going to happen.

We are taking America back, and restoring it, not "fundamentally transforming" it.

Posted by: stvjo | July 17, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Bachmann is a brainless former democrat turned republican. Those are the worst.

Posted by: truth1 | July 17, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Budgetary surplus are always a myth, they just take money from one pile and put it in the fund they want to prop up. Smoke and mirrors, if you think *any* career politician is concerned for your well being - you are a fool.

They all must be removed, time to start over.

Posted by: stvjo | July 17, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

I am always amused by people talking about what the founding fathers believed in as the basis for what we should be doing. The founding fathers didn't believe in atomic weapons or power plants,or in coal-fired power plants. They did not believe in indoor plumbing. They did not believe in fighting wars in Europe, Asia or Africa. They did not believe in internal combustion engines or commercial airliners. They did believe in legalized slavery and property ownership and voting rights for only white men. I don't think any of us want to go back to 1776. Small government and ideas work for a small, uncomplicated country. Let's look ahead, not back.

Posted by: davidhturner | July 17, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Bachmann may never live down her infamous interview with Chris Matthews, in which she accused some (Democratic) members of Congress of being "un-American" and calling for an investigation. Putting aside what it actually means to be an American vs. un-American, the fact is that this is a pluralistic republic that allows all viewpoints - even those Ms. Bachmann doesn't like.

Posted by: EnemyOfTheState | July 17, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Mr Turner-
Don't be absurd those things didn't exist in the founding fathers era, (Well except for TJ who devised an indoor privy at his Monticello home), or they may have been "for" them.

They didn't believe in fighting war *unprovoked*. However, TJ himself went to war with the Barby Pirates over attacks on US vessels, even though they had never attacked the USA directly.

Slavery was a part of the American fabric, stopping it HAD to start somewhere. I'm proud many of our greatest founders had a problem with their conscious for owning slaves and chose to change things. Open your closed mind and - read history - our greatest leaders abolished slavery.

Woman had voting rights in some states! Google New Jersey woman voting 1776-1807 -- progressive white racist men put a stop to it.

Small government chained by the LIMITS of the constitution, you want to change it then do it by LAW - an amendment and the ratification of said amendment. Not by Czars, back door dealing, shake downs, and other crooked means, like both parties are doing today.

Posted by: stvjo | July 17, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

un-American means to go against the individual and to support the collective.

un-American to believe states have NO rights.

un-American is the belief in social justice over equal justice.

un-American to force the purchase of a good or service.

un-American is to forcibly rob people via tax and allot it to other Americans.

un-American is to prosecute an innocent state like AZ, while rewarding intimidation by a hate group.

un-American is to spend us into massive debt.

un-American is to bow to other countries who we disagree with, while mocking fellow Americans who disagree.

Un-American to claim there was no spitting on Americans after Vietnam (which have several eye witness testimonies), yet believe that a member of congress was spat on with no evidence even a $100,000 dollar reward could coax out.

I could go on, there are literally hundreds of examples.

Posted by: stvjo | July 17, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

jotm1 --

There's no need to insult me...I was merely quoting another poster, who was questioning why we Tea Partiers are objecting now to massive government debt when we didn't several years back. I think you want to refer your remark to jhhale01, not me.

Posted by: RedderThanEver | July 17, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

that part about spitting on the returning Vietnam vets is a myth. it came from a movie. after numerous searches of media of the time, not a single instance was discovered.

Posted by: johannesrolf | July 17, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

that part about spitting on the returning Vietnam vets is a myth. it came from a movie. after numerous searches of media of the time, not a single instance was discovered.

Posted by: johannesrolf | July 17, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

"Are you just upset that there might be some group other than the Hispanic Caucus and the Black Caucus? Is it wrong to have a caucus with people mainly worried about fiscal responsibility or must they only be relating to the democratic agendas relying on people's heritage or race? Posted by: justmyvoice"

None of us Democrats, and none of us Liberals, will object to Bachman getting her own caucus, ESPECIALLY if she is its chair.

The very first problem that will aruise is that Republicans will have to release staff and funds from other Republican Caucusses or from their own budgets. that is hopw caucuses work in Congress. That won't go over very well, but it is just the first of the Republican's problems.

Once Bachman gets her caucus organized, the Dems will remind Boehner of his anti caucus behavior back when the Republicans were in charge, but that is just a distraction, because Bachman is going to demand the full allegiance of the republicans to the caucus, putting her on an unavoidable CBDR course to butt heads with all of current Republican leadership.

Once Michelle has a civil war going on in the House, she will be out attacking any R who doesn't kowtow to her, so that the Tea's will be running to unelect Republican incumbents to enforce her suzerainty in Congress. That is going to be costly to the Republicans in November.

So go, T-Crazy Girl, start your own caucus and cut the throat of half the Republican incumbents in DC.

All the best.

Posted by: ceflynline | July 17, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Could be one of the briefest caucuses in Congressional history. Ms Bachmann's seat is not perfectly secure, and she is currently "Bachmann, Party of One".

Posted by: OldUncleTom | July 17, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

johannesrolf - I personally know several people who swear they were spit on, and called baby killers - it was a fad - ask Vietnam vets about it, they will confirm.

Meanwhile where is the evidence of Lewis being spat on, among all those videos and cameras?? $100,000 in it for the one with the evidence, still no one has it?

Posted by: stvjo | July 17, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

I personally know several people who swear they were spit on, and called baby killers - it was a fad - ask Vietnam vets about it, they will confirm.

Meanwhile where is the evidence of Lewis being spat on, among all those videos and cameras?? $100,000 in it for the one with the evidence, still no one has it?

Posted by: stvjo
==========================
Hmm...there would seem to be the same amount and type of evidence for both events. Both rely on testimony without corroborating evidence; and yet we are told to disregard the testimony of several members of Congress, including a hero of the civil rights movement, but accept uncritically the testimony of the Nam vets.

I happen to believe there probably were some vets that were on the receiving end of abuse -- just like I'm willing to accept John Lewis's word.

By the way, where is the film evidence of the Nam vets being spat upon? As you assert: if there is no photographic proof, did it really happen?

Posted by: EnemyOfTheState | July 17, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

The Tea Party people are only exercising their constitutional right to be stupid. Yes, they are dangerous and they are among us. The founding fathers never expected all of us would have our heads screwed on straight.
And yes, our nation will survive this radical group and move on.

Posted by: schmitty67 | July 17, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

The Tea Party people are only exercising their constitutional right to be stupid. Yes, they are dangerous and they are among us. The founding fathers never expected all of us would have our heads screwed on straight.
And yes, our nation will survive this radical group and move on.

Posted by: schmitty67 | July 17, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Well, now, E.J. isn't it just great that you have the license to write "take responsibility for some of the movement's more radical stands" and not give any specific examples of what you are talking about, but just glibly and effortlessly transition into talking about billboards. Your boys and girls shouting at each other here kinda just let that go right over their heads. You are a propagandist and a misinformationalist of a fairly high order, E. J., but unfortunately for you, some people are paying attention. Would you care to weigh in on your employer not covering the New Black Panther Story, E.J.? Thought not. Rave on, people.

Posted by: chatard | July 17, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Teabaggers are just old Republican racists on Social Security and Medicare who scream about Socialism because there's a smart black Democrat in the White House.

Period.

They see a black President and they drop their Social Security checks and grab their lynching ropes.

Posted by: ottoparts | July 17, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

"Grandpa, what was a rebuplican?"....

Posted by: TOMHERE | July 17, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Backgroundthoughts | July 16, 2010 10:12 PM
“Then, there's the New Black Party voter intimidation case that Holder refuses to prosecute.”

Soo ... You want Holder to prosecute something which happened in the 60’s???

WTF???

Posted by: knjincvc | July 17, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

In this mornings WaPo:
By Karen Tumulty and Paul Kane
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, July 17, 2010


"But will Republicans actually want to run on those ideas -- or any ideas? Behind the scenes, many are being urged to ignore the leaders and do just the opposite: avoid issues at all costs. Some of the party's most influential political consultants are quietly counseling their clients to stay on the offensive for the November midterm elections and steer clear of taking stands on substance that might give Democratic opponents material for a counterattack."

Soo ... When Bachmann starts getting questions like "Why can the military close 95% of its 900+ overseas bases saving billions of dollars?"
What is she going to say?
It's Obama's fault those bases are still open.

Posted by: knjincvc | July 17, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Yes, that foolish nonsense like fiscal responsibility, Constitutional law, lower taxes, limited govt. You know, that "foolish" stuff that the Founders believed in.

Posted by: silencedogoodreturns | July 17, 2010 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Oddly, you guys never believed in any of that stuff before...what gives? New season on Fox?
The founders also believed that only white, land owning males should be allowed to vote.
Founder worship is cute, but it ignores a lot of history. History that most of the rest of us are well aware of.

Posted by: dijetlo | July 17, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

From a recent TeaBagger rally--my favorite sign:

THANKS FOX NEWS
FOR KEEPING US
"INFROMED."

Posted by: IceNiner | July 17, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse


Yeah know, I would ask how the heck Michele Bachmann could have possibly won her elections in 2006 and 2008. And how could the voters of Minnesota's 6th district could allow her to represent them in Washington, but when I see that her opponents from the Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party, in 2006 was named Patty Wetterling, and in 2008 Elwyn Tinklenberg; I think I understand.

I hope they don't make the same mistake in 2010, when Minnesota State Senator Tarryl Clark runs against her.


Posted by: helloisanyoneoutthere | July 17, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

EnemyOfTheState:

Since I came back from Viet Nam in July of 1969, in December of 1969, in August of 1970, and in January of 1972, and I was never really in a situation where I might be spat upon, I sort of don't believe you about us being spat on.

You see, when we returned we were flown into Travis, or McGuire, or McChord, processed, and given first class air fare to our next duty station or next place we were to be. Flying full fare, we could fly in civilian clothes, and did. By the time we caught transportation to whatever airport we would be flying on from, we didn't have to be identifiably in the military.

Of course, most of us flew military standby, to keep the difference between full fare and standby, so we did fly in uniform, but I never even saw a demonstration where I might have come close to being spat on.

So I think that unless you can give me name, rank, unit, and dates of service of this mythical soldier you knew who was spat on, and where it happened, I am going to doubt you know anyone of the sort.

I have no reason to doubt John Lewis, for unlike you I believe he is an honorable man.

Posted by: ceflynline | July 17, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Enemy of the State: Sorry about that, grabbed the wrong moniker. Should have addressed that to stvjo.

But is still mostly if not entirely a myth propounded by draft dodging Nixon Republicans.

Posted by: ceflynline | July 17, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

As for the Tea Potty, I've already got my marshmellows and stick ready for when these self-absorbed racists CRASH AND BURN. But in the meantime I will throughly enjoy watching them make the Republican party break out in hives. LOL!

Posted by: Bushwhacked1 | July 17, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

From a recent TeaBagger rally--my favorite sign:

THANKS FOX NEWS
FOR KEEPING US
"INFROMED."

So, in addition to being homophobic, you also like to make fun of people with dyslecsia. Typical liberal hater.

Posted by: RedderThanEver | July 17, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Haha! We're getting the socialists angry!! We must be doing something right. The haters are up in arms!

Posted by: jefferson4 | July 17, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

ceflynline. According to many I have spoken with, spitting (baby killer name calling) did happen, I will get more info on name rank and where it happened from some of my local friends, fair enough.

I thank you for your service, and I am sorry for the treatment you received in the USA during that time for serving your country.

Posted by: stvjo | July 17, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

dijetlo -- we always did believe in those things (Constitutional law, lower taxes, limited govt) Many of us didn't leave the (two) parties - the parties left us.

Join us in restoring America.

Posted by: stvjo | July 17, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Yes, the Democrats and their shills at the WAPO have found a fringe group they must crush -- over half the country!

I can see November from my house. Then we'll see who's laughing.

Posted by: John1960 | July 17, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

I am a bit puzzled by the attack on the idea of citizens who attend Tea Parties. When did the idea that maybe balancing a budget is bad? How about trimming government spending or streamlining regulations to be simple yet effective. Maybe even pay attention to the constitution everyone swears to uphold.

Why do you mock these things?

Obama gave us an absolutely wasteful , foolish stimulus bill, a health care bill delivered by back room deals that they were too afraid to even put into effect for years, and now another unread 2000+ page financial bill promoted by Dodd and Frank. Do you really think this agenda is intellectually superior? How about the madness over fake racism? Is that change you believe in? Do you feel the gulf clean up and spill was handled with laser like attention? I could go on but I wonder why you are all condescending when a lot of what you stand behind is pretty shabby at best.

Posted by: rfpzzzzz | July 17, 2010 11:42 PM | Report abuse

The WAPO never cared when people were tearing up the streets of LA in 1991, or when phony "protesters" burned Bush in effigy for eight solid years at their contrived, Soros funded protests.

But let some middle class people get together to protest high taxes, big government, and the trampling of their rights, and, oh my, then these people are giong to get the Full Alinsky!

News flash, WAPO: all the polls show that a majority of Americans SUPPORT the Tea Party's goals.

Can't wait until November.

Posted by: John1960 | July 17, 2010 11:48 PM | Report abuse

As usual any dionne article is an excuse for the kooks to congregate.

Notice how liberals absolutely cannot defend anything they have actually done? There response to the economic crisis is nothing but casting acusations of racism everywhere, trying to stir up class warfare, or calling anyone who disagrees with them "extreme" if they can't make the racism charge stick.

Tell us, libs, how any of the crap this congress has done is going to help the country long term. Uh-oh, I guess the fact that I asked pointed this out makes me "extreme" or "racist" too.

Posted by: standard_guy | July 18, 2010 3:57 AM | Report abuse

ceflynline said: "You see, when we returned we were flown into Travis, or McGuire, or McChord, processed, and given first class air fare to our next duty station or next place we were to be. Flying full fare"

I don't know who the "we" is you are referring to. Because it didn't happen that way for ALL who came home unless I witnessed mirages right across the hi-way from the 3724 BMTS and tucked right next to Crypto school on Lackland AFB. That is where the USAF warehoused the men who came back with big monkeys on their backs. I specifically remember the TI warning that IF we so much as stopped and gave the right time of day to any of those men that we would be set so far back in basic training they would take us all the way back to San Antonio Airport to begin basic from scratch. That special barracks was to the left on the direct route from the 3724 to "Hells Kitchen" the all night mess hall where "rainbows" were given their first meal on LAFB. I passed by there several times {usually when the TI deemed it rewarding for me to pull all night KP duty for being such a stand-out in his flight.} The way I figured it the USAF didn't want any of those addicts talking to us b/c they were afraid they were going to tell us the truth.

I had garbage and obscenities thrown at me from passing vehicles in the wee hours of Christmas Day 1971 in NYC outside of Port Authority bus terminal to acknowlege the USAF uniform I wore and duffel bag I carried after I demanded a cabbie who was in the process of ripping me off for about 24 bucks by taking the "long way" from JFK airport {I was making a whopping $128 per month} just stop the car and let me out a few blocks from my destination before the meter ticked up any further.
When people say they were spit at and called baby-killer I believe them. It was an ugly time and the propagandists in classrooms, on campuses and in newsrooms did an excellent job of turning public opinion against us.

Posted by: jotm1 | July 18, 2010 4:57 AM | Report abuse

The Tea Party stands for limited government and personal freedom. Those who favor totalitarian government don't admit it, they just act like grade school children calling names. Socialism is collapsing without any assistance from the Tea Party. Blame Bush, blame 'the rich' (most of whom are Democrats), even blame Obama, who is accelerating the collapse of socialism. Makes no difference. Socialism has run out of other people's money.

Posted by: doctorfixit | July 18, 2010 5:34 AM | Report abuse

jotm1 - Thank you for your service. I'm sorry how badly you were treated. It was a disgrace. Sadly these horrible people are running the white house now. TEA minded people, will remember in November 2010/2012.

Posted by: stvjo | July 18, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

The Democrats don't have to do their own "chuckling". They have you and Milbank to do it for them.

Posted by: bethg1841 | July 18, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

jotm1:

We would be quite a few people, actually.

On my 21st Birthday, 25 may 1968 I signed out of the ASATC&S at Fort Devens, road a commercial bus to Boston, took a cab to Logan Airport, flew Military Standby on the North East Shuttle to Kennedy, Flew TWA via Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, (somehow escorting an 18 year old who was headed for Miami of Ohio for her Freshman year) to Dayton Ohio. From Dayton flew to Chicago, where TWA upgraded my military standby ticket to first class and gave me the whole first class treatment, along with five other service men, for the over night
flight to San Francisco International. Flew the helicopter shuttle to Oakland Airport for the fun of it and took a city bus to Oakland Army Terminal, at which point I passed inside the wire. In July, 1969, I returned through Travis AFB to OAT, got issued summer greens to travel in, flew to Denver via Continental Airlines to visit my sister and meet the man she eventually married. Flew on to Chicago and Dayton. From Dayton flew to Philadelphia International Air Port and took a limosine to Fort Dix, passing inside the wire. In December, 1969, I flew from Viet nam via Flying Tigers tyo Seatac, got into the bar, (wearing jungle fatigues), where the bar tender challenged me for being out of uniform. Informed him that 275 men dressed exactly like me were seconds behind me. The Waitress asked the bartender if she should card us. The bartender decided that anyone dressed in used jungle fatigues must be at least 21. Flew o0n to McGuire, processed through Dix, went to Philadelphia International Airport, where, in the Salvation Army Canteen I just missed Tiny Tim's wedding to Miss Vickie on the Johnny Carson Show. Flew on to Dayton, and 30 Days later returned through Philadelphia, passing back inside the wire at Fort Dix.

In August, 1970, I flew back through Travis AFB, rode a charter bus to Oakland Army Terminal, processed, and headed off by local bus to San Francisco International Airport. Flew to Dayton Ohio and then to Washington D.C. where I took a commercial Bus to Warrenton, VA, for my next duty station. All in uniform. The only annoyances I experienced were Mooneys in Chicago, and hare Krishnas somewhere, can't remember exactly.

The wee would be the thousands of GIs who were on the flights I rode, plus the flights leaving about every half hour from Travis to Viet nam or From Viet Nam to wherever. I knew lots of people on some of those flights, and except for a couple PMS hostesses on a Seaboard World Flighty who reported some of the ASA types on the flight for smoking pot, (no actual natural recreation was involved)I never received anything but courteous treatment, except in Chicago where we usually got heroes treatment.

The only discourteous treatment I ever got was regularly being denied employment for which I was fully qualified because I have the bad habit of filling out my military service record on employment forms, instead of leaving it blank.

Posted by: ceflynline | July 18, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

HELL YEAH IN HER DUMB FACE!!!

Posted by: Scar1 | July 18, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

HELL YEAH IN HER DUMB FACE!!!
DOES SHE EVEN LISTEN TO WHAT COMES OUT HER MOUTH: PURE IGNORANCE.

Posted by: Scar1 | July 18, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

to all,

one of the many things that i like about the DIMocRAT posters here on WP/PP is how SELF-deluded that they demonstrably are.

further MOST of the DIMocRATS here cannot spell even relatively simple words, write two complete sentences without making grammatical errors OR make a logical point.
(must be their "Gubmint-apruvd, publick screwl edumakashun" showing.)

otoh, they are REALLY GOOD at:
being FOOLISH,
being SELF-impressed,
being BIGOTED against those who don't share their elitist prejudices,
making "potty-mouth", "anti-religious" & "sexually perverse" references in their scribblings of ignorant drivel
AND
generally making JACKASSES of themselves, for all "ordinary people" to see.

the "leadership" of the DIMocRATS is NOT even smart enough to camoflage their distaste/disrespect for "rural people", "blue collar workers" OR "Bible-thumpers". - we "folks from flyover country" & those of us, "who cling to their Bibles & their guns", are GONE FOREVER from the DIMocRAT Party.= we don't take "being spit upon" well.

that's the MAIN reasons that the DIMocRATS have LOST the middle of the political spectrum & will LOSE both houses of Congress this fall & the WH in 2012.

what i'm getting for my birthday (03NOV) this year is a CLEAN SWEEP for TEA PARTY endorsed House & Senate candidates.
when you DIMs wake up on "the third" to find that you are the MINORITY party, remember that you were warned, but were too STUPID & ARROGANT to understand the writing on the wall.

fyi, my home congressional district has been traditionally a "yellow dog democrat" stronghold, but it isn't anymore.= instead our district is now: TEA PARTY "country".

btw, i was talking to the DIMocRAT county chair for my home county at a local coffee shop, about a week ago (we went to high school together).
"P.A." said: i just cannot understand it. overnight, my "usual donors" are saying NO to requests to have coffee parties, to attend precinct meetings, to accept bumperstickers & yard signs or even to renew their county party dues.
i fear we are going to get KILLED this November, as our President is TONE-DEAF, is seen as weak, arrogant & childish AND the democrat leadership in Congress looks even worse. =====> "P.A." is 100% CORRECT - the DIMs are going to have a VERY bad Nov 2, 2010.

just my opinion.

yours, TN46
coordinator, CCTPP

Posted by: texasnative46 | July 18, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Michelle Bachman, Sarah Palin...these tea bagger women, all remind me of the fate of Wild "Rose" O'Neal Greenhow. An offensive confederate spy loved by haters of those who wanted to free slaves in the South and loved by elitists in Europe.

Her fate? She drowned off Cape Fear in 1864 after fearing she would be captured by a Union ship looking to get her. She drowned...her body washed up on shore a few days later because her clothing was filled with gold that she gained abroad from the sale of her best selling memoirs she wrote about her imprisonment for being a confederate spy.It doesn't pay to side with doing the wrong thing.


Any politician (Republican, Democrat, Independent, whoever) that chooses to side with clearly offensive, hateful, spiteful and covert white supremacists are bound to alienate a lot of people...let's see, Blacks (they don't worry too much about because they vote Obama); Hispanics (they want to deport or jail all Hispanics whether legal or not); and moderate Republicans (meaning the GOP incumbents). Sounds like a power take-over as well. Get all the GOP out, so we can take over (Tea Baggers are saying to each other). They don't want to be Republicans...they want to be a third party aka Tea Party. Get it.

Posted by: kitten2 | July 18, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

yes, and the first order of business will be to denounce the Black Caucus for racism.

Posted by: daphne5 | July 19, 2010 12:35 AM | Report abuse

From all the braying from the donkey scrotum face slappers I guess we should just not even bother voting. I think we should just surrender to the NAACP (Colored People?)and the New Black Panther Party. You libturd's are so so smart. As memory serves me correctly, we took a broom to your draft dodging behinds back in the 60's, I guess its time to take the broom out once again. You and all of your Bill Ayers, Saul Alinsky and Rev. Wright lovers will be sent back to your little lives in academia where you can do the least harm. Your leadership (or should I say, lack of it) was much too long already.

Posted by: elcigaro1 | July 19, 2010 7:33 AM | Report abuse

stvjo said:

"Why so intolerant? Why are so many posters against upholding the constitution? Very telling."

You have given no one any proof the constitution is in danger, not being upheld, or that anyone in America is less patriotic and needs to knuckle under your false claims.

That's the problem - thats the way republicans work, that's the task you've been assigned by the republican activists that founded the teabaggers and fund their activities from busses, advance team to signage...

Its the same old fear and smear thing republicans do...

What is not in the constitution, and the thing I want to see fixed immediately, is foreign corporations like Rupert Murdock and the Saudis that own Fox and the Wall Street Journal, and the American corporations that sponsor Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck put down for treason. There is no freedom of speech protection for those that spew hatred for Americans day in and day out... a policy difference is decided at elections... hate speech is not protected under the constitution. Bacvhmann, Beck and Limbaugh need to see the inside of an American prison - or be deported for inciting hatred among Americans.


Posted by: dutchess2 | July 19, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Obviously you are "anti-Tea Party" and far to the left. The Tea Party is centrist and will remain there. Extremist from either side of the political specter are not wanted.

The issues and ideas that are at the core of the Tea Party movement:

1) All forms of government must abide by the boundaries set forth in state and federal constitutions.

2) All pork and earmarks in the stimulus, omnibus bills, and bailouts must be reversed and repealed. The national budget must be balanced. Spending cuts, not increased taxation should be used to balance the budget.

3) Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of happiness implies personal responsibility, not handouts, free-enterprise and capitalism, not government controlled economies. Some people choose to be irresponsible (and of course some fall on hard times due to circumstances), but it is not the responsibility of the general public, vis-a-vis government intervention, to guarantee or bailout irresponsibility and failure. Private individuals and organizations give out of compassion and generosity, not compulsion through taxation. laws, and pork barrel projects.

4) ALL elected and appointed officials are under the employment and serve at the will of We the People.

5) Excessive tax burdens kill prosperity.

6) Excessive national debt is generational theft, and stealing the future of our children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren.

7) Neither major political party is "clean" on these issues. Both Democrats and Republicans have taxed excessively and neither have restrained the hand of government effectively. There are certainly individual representatives who have been faithful to their constituents and to the Constitution. However, too many are engaged in protecting their congressional positions and turf. The majority of government officials have insulated themselves from the people they serve, and hold themselves above the law. We are simply saying, "No, you aren't above the law".

8 ) The American public at large is ignorant of the purpose of government, the founding documents such as the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Federalist Papers. As a result, they allow politicians to sell them false hope and "rights" and "entitlements" that are not guaranteed by the Constitution. By educating the American people on the foundations of our history, we hope to bring sanity to the election and legislative processes.

9) As a group, we are appalled at the audaciousness and arrogance of our government in the last few years, particularly the proposals and bills passed in the last few months, despite massive public disapproval.

The Tea Party is a wake-up call to all Americans.

Posted by: avatar666 | July 19, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

dutchess2 said: "You have given no one any proof the constitution is in danger, not being upheld..."

You ARE kidding right? Wake up friend, this has been going on for many years. But for fun, let's just take just one current example, shall we?

Why do you think 13 states (and counting) have filed suit against the federal government for imposing health care legislation? Because it's NOT constitutional. The federal government has no constitutional right to regulate *state* governments. (In this piece of legislation, the Congress has told the state governments that they must modify their regulation of certain areas of healthcare.) Further the federal government has no authority to force free people to purchase a good or service.

Ok there's your "proof". There is a hundred more examples. But I suspect you have NO idea what our constitutional says in the first place. Read it, you'll learn something.

BTW - There is no constitutional right to restrict speech you do not like. Contrarily, speech is protected. 1st amendment - look it up.

Second, the constitution doesn't allow the federal government to deport or jail people for saying things you do not like. Or abolish a free press. That form of government would be COMMUNISM.

Like I said, no idea what our founding documents say - you proved it - case in point.

Posted by: stvjo | July 19, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Be careful about laughing too soon.
Remember Senatorial Candidate Green from South Carolina.
It's a weird electoral season.

Posted by: GeneTouchet | July 19, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

"Give that woman a microphone! And Paul and Angle. The more people hear from them, the better decisions they will make come election time.Posted by: bertram2"

Peter King: Republicans Shouldn’t ‘Lay Out A Complete Agenda,’ Because It Might Become ‘A Campaign Issue’

For the past year, Republicans have been desperately trying to show Americans that they have substantive policy ideas, and that they are not just “the party of no” that reflexively opposes anything President Obama supports in order to score cheap political points. “House Republicans have engaged with the American people to develop innovative solutions that meet the serious challenges facing our country,” House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-VA) declared on the flimsy “GOP Solutions” website.

But Rep. Peter King (R-NY) was perhaps a little too honest yesterday, explaining to radio host Bill Bennett that Republicans shouldn’t “lay out a complete agenda,” because then people would be able to scrutinize it and make it “a campaign issue”:

BENNETT: Is it enough for Republicans to say we are opposed to what [Obama's] doing — stimulus, health care, we don’t like what he’s doing with the government, and look at the job situation — or do we need to have meat on the bones? And say, this is what we are for? Do we have to have positive proposals? [...]

KING: So, It’s a combination of being against what Obama is for, and also giving certain specifics of what we are for. Having said that, I don’t think we have to lay out a complete agenda, from top to bottom, because then we would have the national mainstream media jumping on every point trying to make that a campaign issue.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/07/16/king-no-agenda-please/

Posted by: aartmann112004 | July 19, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

You should chuckle that the House of Representatives has a Congressional Progressive Caucus. Have you seen the special interest groups who support that???

It's a Hall of Fame for leftist ideologues.

Posted by: slatt321 | July 19, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

"Obviously you are "anti-Tea Party" and far to the left. The Tea Party is centrist and will remain there. Extremist from either side of the political specter are not wanted."

The teabaggers have been assimilated by the GOP with massive infusions of both cash and media attention from Freedomworks, Foxnews and the billionaire Koch brothers. Their platform is not the same and neither are the people. As a matter of fact the Ron Paul tea party protesters were insulted endlessly by the GOP before the election and banned from rightwing websites like redstate.com. I myself was banned for even questioning the ban.

Bottom line? The Republican party saw the rage and since they had nothing left after the McCain/Palin election disaster they co-opted the movement and are trying to aim the anger at a target of the GOP's choosing.

You can continue the lie that the teabaggers are centrist. We know the truth.

Posted by: aartmann112004 | July 19, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

EnemyOfTheState,

I agree with you and many others: the more we hear from the Tea Baggers - I refuse to associate them with true heroes of the Revolutionary War - the more independents will move away from them.

There's one problem, though. These candidates are not doing many interviews, and the interviews they do give are on their terms. They refuse to be interviewed by credible journalists and only put themselves in front of right-wing talking heads. If these candidates are not forced to come out of their shells, voters may not really know who they are, and may vote for them just because they're not the incumbent.

Posted by: pathfinder12 | July 19, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

stvjo,

Federal regulation almost always trumps state legislation. When the Constitution was ratified, many states were upset because it gave the federal government that kind of authority. And Jesus, the south almost seceded because they didn't think the federal government could tell them to abolish slavery. Who won that fight again?

Free speech is generally protected unless of course you are charged with sedition, libel, or slander. So no, you can't just say anything you want and think you're protected.

My suggestion: Maybe you should learn a thing or two about the law and the Constitution before you start teaching others about it.

Posted by: pathfinder12 | July 19, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

More left wing disinformation. Libs like EJ talk incessantly about the tea party only because they are afraid of it. What's more, is that the tea party isn't really a solid rigid organization. It's a loose movement of disaffected everybody. The beliefs of tea partiers are shared widely by republicans, independents and many democrats as well. So, no surpise that the libs are afraid..

Posted by: sladenyv1 | July 19, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

sladenyv1,

No one is afraid of the Tea Baggers because they feel it will hurt their chances at public office. They're concerned about what happens if Tea Baggers actually get seats: Rand Paul is against most government programs, including Social Security. They are against many great pieces of legislation, like the Civil Rights act and legislation that aides the handicapped.

All three Tea Bagging candidates came out against the $20 billion obtained from BP. They called it a slush fund. So, they are against the federal government ensuring that a foreign corporation pay for damages done to our soil, by forcing them to pony up money before they declare bankruptcy and get of paying any damages.

So how then can Tea Baggers claim they fight for the people? And aside from being against a lot of things, what are their solutions? If we get rid of the EPA and the FDA, how do we ensure that our food and environment is not destroyed, that we don't get sick from imported food?

That is their problem, and also the Republican problem. It is a natural collation between two bodies who do a lot of screaming but have no solutions. If they don't provide solutions, there's no confidence from the voters that they won't just do what they did the last time they were in office.

Posted by: pathfinder12 | July 19, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

The NBPP story is a non-story like someone has pointed out. The Bush Justice Dept decided not to prosecute a case that didn't exist. How can two Black men intimidate white people at a virtually all-Black precinct? Isn't that one of the last places one would go to perform that sort of vile act? Plus, not one person has filed a complaint of voter intimidation, so where's the case to prosecute? Listening to Fox News is making "low information" voters "dumbed down" voters, but that's how they want all of you.

To quote Larry Bartels of Princeton University, one of several people that concluded a study on facts in politics and how they have no effect on the opinions of a lot of people:

‎"The political ignorance of the American voter is one of the best documented data in political science."

Posted by: thhalejr01 | July 17, 2010 11:17 AM | Report ab

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TH - I guess you must be the ignorant one? It was NOT - repeat - NOT the Bush DOJ that dropped the case - it was Nobama's. The case had already been won by the state - as the defendants did not even bother showing up in court. It was a slam dunk win - yet - Holder decided to drop all charges - after being lobbied by the NAACP. Now imagine - the KKK in full garb - outside your polling station carrying huge crosses? What say you now?

So please - get informed....you critize everyone as uninformed - but it appears that is you???

Posted by: short1 | July 19, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

pathfinder12-

Typical liberal misunderstand - is that states have no rights. True, federal law trumps state laws regarding our bill of rights, civil rights and the enumerated powers of federal government, However they have no power to change or alter, regulations state by state. And the HC bill does exactly that.

But pleased do cite the law that allows the federal government to alter state regulation. Or the enumerated power that allows them to force the purchase of a good or service?

When the constitution was ratified there were questions, and Hamilton and Madison, and Jay gave the answers in the Federalist Papers. James Madison, said Federalist No. 14, November 30, 1787:

"In the first place, it is to be remembered, that the general government is not to be charged with the whole power of making and administering laws: its jurisdiction is limited to certain enumerated objects, which concern all the members of the republic, but which are not to be attained by the separate provisions of any."

***limited to certain enumerated objects***

About slavery, you make my point about how the federal government canNOT just "pass" a law to change a states regulation. The only way to make a change to the US constitution is by amendment. Which may be proposed by either two-thirds of both houses of the United States Congress or by a national convention (2/3 states). To become part of the Constitution, amendments must then be ratified either by approval of the legislatures of three-fourths of the states or ratifying conventions held in three-fourths of the states.

No easy task to do! The health care bill was NOT a ratified amendment therefor the federal gov't has no jurisdiction.

As for Free speech I never said - you could "just say anything you want and think you're protected" -- I said it protects speech you do not like. Don't misquote what I said, thanks in advance. And do tell us why Limbaugh, Beck or whomever hasn't been charged? Perhaps they haven't committed any crimes? yes?

Pathfinder you have a LOT of nerve to say "Maybe you should learn a thing or two about the law and the Constitution before you start teaching others about it."

Apparently you desperately need to take your own advice.

Posted by: stvjo | July 19, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Stop the pretense. ALL republicons believe the foolish nonsensical trie the tea baggers froith at the mouth about... Posted by: John1263
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"Yes, that foolish nonsense like fiscal responsibility, Constitutional law, lower taxes, limited govt. You know, that "foolish" stuff that the Founders believed in.

Posted by: silencedogoodreturns | July 17, 2010 12:33 AM | Report abuse"

Oh, yes, the founders, the founders. The reason we Dem's scoff at you teabaggers is because all you do is sprout slogans and then pretend that they mean something. "The founders" is just a phrase to you. Plus, the founders lived in the 1700's, dummy. A few things have changed since then. Or do you think we should reinact slavery because the founders did it? You guys just say words you've heard but they don't mean anything because they're just slogans -- the founders, socialism, states rights, illegals. If conservatives are to be taken seriously - which I hope they are not - they need to come up with a more dynamic argument than simply that it was written down by somebody hundreds of years ago. "But some guy wrote it down hundreds of years ago in completely different circumstances!" "Oh, so by all means, let's let it guide us now." And this applies to any dumb "Founders" comments, or 2nd amendment comments, or even bible comments. It's absurd.

Posted by: Urnesto | July 19, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Oh for goodness sake pathfinder12 you need to read other news besides WaPo, Rand Paul is NOT "against most government programs" -- he simply believes (correctly i might add) that many programs that are not the jurisdiction of *federal* gov't and should be left to the states/people. (See 9th/10th amendments.)He has said repeatedly he is NOT against civil rights. He is against SOME federal over reaching.

The BP slush fund -- IS a slush fund, Please don't distort legitimate concerns. The fear is political. If certian areas hit are not blue enough perhaps they won't get the funds, since the funds are doled out by gov't.

NO TEA candidate is against BP paying - this is a looney-left lie.

Once upon a time we got along just fine with out EPA, FDA. In fact we didn't have a income tax till 1913 - how did the gov't pay for all before that? Do you know?? Or SS till 1935 - gasp! Imagine people actually took care of the elderly via family and charity!

BTW TEA is neither republican or democrat. So spare us the republican bashing rants, we don't like how either party has been behaving. Can you honestly say you are 100% happy with democrats today? If so, you are a hypocrite because BHO has kept many Bush policies in place.

Posted by: stvjo | July 19, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Urnesto!

You win the commy comment of the week award.

Yeah, those stupid founders and laws we have - huh? Those founders and laws created the FIRST government ever "of the people and by the people", how DUMB!

All other gov't before those old guy founders of the 1700's, were essentially Monarchy, or dictatorial.

Sheesh!

Why do you lefties prefer serfdom? Why do you fight to have this subservient slave-like life style?! Is it that you are ignorant or stupid - or both? Or is it that you truly think government control is better than freedom? Which is it?

"A government big enough to give you everything - is also big enough to take it away."

Posted by: stvjo | July 19, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

I love how the "New Black Panther Party" has overnight become cause celebre with the Teatards...because Fox told them it should be. We're talking here about a non-event that happened over a year and a half ago...and yet now that elections are coming up, suddenly it's the biggest issue we face?

Get a clue, you slack-jawed morons. This "case" consists of two guys, one of whom was carrying a nightstick, at one polling place in Philadelphia. No complaints were made by anyone who voted at the precinct; no voter made any allegation that they were harrassed or intimidated by these TWO GUYS at ONE POLLING PLACE. Two guys who were only there for a limited amount of time, even, since when asked to leave by poll workers, they left.

But OHMYGOD THEY WERE BLACK!!!! So it's a national emergency! Because Fox says so!!

You mouth-breathing cretins who buy into this kind of BS deserve the failed leadership you get from the equally stupid people you support politically, but the rest of us, not so much. Look, I know math is not your strong suit, but even so, you must be able to grasp the fact that TWO GUYS at ONE POLLING PLACE does not account for the fact that this president won with the biggest majority vote in any presidential election since 1988. You lost; get over it. Whining about two black guys at one poll isn't going to change that, and no matter how many times you, or Fox, repeat it, it's not going to magically become a federal case. That generally only happens when actual wrongdoing takes place - or when the Justice Department has been stacked with Liberty University Law School grads while US Attorneys who fail to pursue politically-motivated sham charges are getting sacked. You know, like we saw in the last administration.

Posted by: JennOfArk | July 19, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

silencedogoodreturns wrote:
Yes, that foolish nonsense like fiscal responsibility, Constitutional law, lower taxes, limited govt. You know, that "foolish" stuff that the Founders believed in.
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Republicans?

Fiscal responsibility?
St. Ronnie and Bushes 1 and 2 spent like sailors on shore leave, but with less restraint.

Constitutional law?
Let's ask George W "just a goddamn piece of paper" Bush about that one, shall we?

Lower taxes?
If you're a multi-millionaire, sure!
Lower and middle class? Not so much.

Limited Government?
Again, Bush the lesser raised swarms of government officials to pester individuals (a little thing called TSA or DHS mean anything to you?) The only thing limited by republicans has been government oversight of corporations.

The Founders would recoil in horror from the modern US government and would shake their heads in pity at the spectacle of the Teabaggers claiming their mantle while voting for those who stand against every principle they fought for.

Posted by: slartibartfast42 | July 19, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

We are not just chuckling we are ROTFLAO

Posted by: racerdoc | July 19, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Anytime I have seen Michelle Bachman on television she was intelligent, thoughtful and articulate. What's the problem? Do we want all of Congress to be dummies? Do we want all of them with no thoughts of their own? Do we want all of them unable to form an educated opinion?

Posted by: boblee1 | July 19, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Wow - check out the people that are all about respecting differences of opinions and diversity such as hellslittlestangel while using the term teabaggers. This is actually a nasty gay slur. There are all kinds of caucuses in Washington so if they have a right to be heard, why would anyone else not be allowed the same courtesy? Contrary to popular belief there are very sane and common sense ideas in the Tea Party. Smaller government (smart regulations, streamlined and effective government), fiscal responsibility and respect for the Constitution. These are not radical ideas, of course, these aspects of the Tea Party are not discussed in the press. There are several very good, non-controversial candidates that are gender and racially diverse that have support from the Tea Party. It's really too bad that the media and some people will not look at the group as a whole, with an unbiased eye. They expect from others what they are not willing to give themselves.

Posted by: cysusa | July 19, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

It's too bad that these rabid right-wingers give conservatism a bad name. These people would have felt right at home in Nazi Germany in the 1920-30's. What you have here are a bunch of people who are ultra-nationalist and nativist; hate intellectuals, communists, socialists, liberals etc. i.e. anyone who is probably smarter than they are and does not think as they do; fears being overwhelmed by ethnics (Jews then, Mexicans and blacks today); are self-satisfied bourgeois capitalists (cf all the praise for "small business" and the myth of the self-made man); place law and order above individual rights; exhibit exaggerated patriotism and adoration of the military; show enthusiasm for military adventures. I could go on and on. The only thing missing is the sense of national betrayal and humiliation after WW1 (or does Vietnam play that role today?) The parallels are clear and are scary. I am NOT calling these people Nazi's, rather they share many of the features and values associated with the success of the Nazi party in obtaining and holding national political power, and in starting a world war: Fear, anger, isolationalism and intolerance. Scary indeed.

Posted by: eyendall2 | July 19, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

It would not surprise me in the least if these people nominated an actual tea bag for president come '12.

Posted by: Ralphinjersey | July 19, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

The best part of this lengthy thread are the hilarious posts from teatard stvjo -- that boy has drunk a lot of tea-flavored koolaid.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | July 19, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

"In a higher phase of communist society... only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be fully left behind and society inscribe on its banners: from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs."
Karl Marx

"To be a socialist is to submit the I to the thou; socialism is sacrificing the individual to the whole." -- Joseph Goebbels, Minister of Propaganda, National Socialist German Workers' ("Nazi") Party

"I think when you spread the wealth around it's good for everybody."
B. H. Obama

ALL THE SAME!

USA 100% OPPOSITE! "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." [1794] (Pertaining to Congress' appropriation $15,000 for relief of French refugees) -- James Madison
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"Society does not consist of individuals but expresses the sum of interrelations, the relations within which these individuals stand."
Karl Marx

"The unity of a nation's spirit and will are worth far more than the freedom of the spirit and will of an individual; and that the higher interests involved in the life of the whole must here set the limits and lay down the duties of the interests of the individual." -- Adolph Hitler

Comrades! We must abolish the cult of the individual decisively, once and for all." -- Soviet Premier Nikita S. Khrushchev, addressing the 20th Congress of the Soviet Communist Party, 2-25-56

"It’s because you have an obligation to yourself. Because our individual salvation depends on collective salvation." - B. H. Obama

ALL THE SAME!

USA COMPLETE OPPOSITE: "The majority, oppressing an individual, is guilty of a crime, abuses its strength, and by acting on the law of the strongest breaks up the foundations of society." --Thomas Jefferson to Pierre Samuel Dupont de Nemours, 1816

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Wake up lefties. Fascism is communism light (communism ideology, with state run capitalism) - and the polar opposite of our USA constitutional republic.

Posted by: stvjo | July 19, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Why don't you try to debate/disprove my points, instead of being a typical snippy narcissistic liberal coward.

No need to answer that - I know why.

You can't.

Posted by: stvjo | July 19, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

It's funny that some Republicans consider being labeled as a member of the Tea Party a liability.

The only difference is that the Republicans have already made a mess of the country and the Tea Party has had a chance to. How's that '2nd amendment solution" workin' for ya?

Posted by: thebobbob | July 19, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

John1263 to your reply:

Stop the pretense. ALL republicons believe the foolish nonsensical trie the tea baggers froith at the mouth about. Just a few of them are just about smart enough not to say so too loudly in public. THESE are the people you are voting for if you are foolish enough to vote rpeublicon. Personally after what they did to my great nation in the last 30 years there is no way i would ever vote for a republicon/tea bag conservative.

Posted by: John1263 | July 16, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse


Don't forget Bill Clinton had his stint in there during the last 30 years.

After this president and congress gets done what happened the last 30 years will seem like the good all days. All the money that we as a nation are borrowing by the TRILLIONS and paying INTEREST on that money will never be able to be re- paid.

Specially when we give it to Pakistan, whose presidents brother only happens to be one of the biggest drug lords in that country, so the likely hood that the money we are giving them to "help" us fight terrorists ( are we allowed to say that?) is probably not going to that purpose. Let's see then there's Yemen, and of course, Hamas now there's a good cause!humm oh yeah Talking to Iran is really going great, and back stabbing Israel now that was a stroke of Genius!!

I better stop there I am really getting a warm fuzzy feeling in my belly, man and that was only the tip of the iceburg.

Posted by: greenstheman | July 19, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

kitten2; all,

kitten2: are you REALLY ignorant/clueless enough to believe the BILGE, NONSENSE, DIMocRAT-inspired LIES & FOOLISHNESS that you posted, above?

IF you are NOT "having us on", you are to be PITIED as "mentally disabled", rather than despised.

to all: the more i learn about BHO/"the ruling class"/DIMocRAT "leaders" the better i like scorpions, venomous spiders & pit vipers.

yours, TN46
coordinator, CCTPP

Posted by: texasnative46 | July 20, 2010 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Bachmann, Paul and Angle, we love you and your Mad Hatter Tea Party wackos. Keep up the great work!
-- Sane Democrats.

Posted by: jimsteinberg1 | July 20, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

In the same TEA thanks all liberal shills, and Hollywood freaks who called us racist, haters, rednecks, and so on -- you were invaluable in the outstanding growth of TEA!

Thanks so very much now we are several times larger because of you -- keep up the good work!

Posted by: stvjo | July 20, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

JennOArk ,

where you is support of the Black Panthers standing in front of the door at a Pennsylvania polling site attempting to keep white voters out??

I don't care who you are what color race or creed that's BS. This is America at least for now. Racism is racism and it comes in all colors period.

Posted by: greenstheman | July 21, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

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