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GOP arrogance, hypocrisy on energy policy

Ohio Republican Senate candidate Rob Portman previews one of the GOP’s primary lines of attack this midterm election year in a new ad. He blasts the Democrats’ cap-and-trade “energy tax,” saying that the scheme will charge Americans for turning on a light bulb or cooking dinner. Scary? Perhaps. Misleading? Yes. Hypocritical? Definitely.

At the end of the ad, Portman claims that he has a better way to protect the environment, and he asks the viewer to check it out on his Web site. I obliged. His plan relies on "support" -- read: subsidies and other government interventions -- for things that he likes -- corn ethanol, nuclear power, natural gas, coal.

Some of these things might become an essential part of weaning the country off fossil fuels. Or not. We don’t really know, and that’s the point of cap-and-trade and other carbon pricing proposals -- take the decisions regarding which green technologies prosper out of the hands of lawmakers with incentives to spend Americans’ money on parochial interests; instead, send a price signal to consumers and the companies that serve them, spurring private individuals to find and invest in the cheapest routes to a greener economy. Another thing Portman doesn’t tell you is that proceeds from this “national energy tax” should be rebated back to consumers, making most of them whole or better.

On his Web site, Portman criticizes “command-and-control” regulation from Washington. He mentions refraining from choosing winners and losers in the energy debate. He says he doesn’t want Washington “to stifle the ingenuity of American enterprise and our market system through government interference.” But inefficient government interference is his plan.

Oh, and Portman’s scheme would also no doubt be expensive to the federal government. Carbon pricing, on the other hand, would more than pay for itself. It’s somewhat ironic that a former head of the Office of Management and Budget would favor increasing spending to enact a policy that is almost certainly less efficient than the one that's paid-for.

There is certainly room for government action on energy apart from setting a carbon price, particularly on research and development or upgrading America's infrastructure. But such things should be supplemental to, not a replacement for carbon pricing.

Okay, so one GOP candidate’s campaign ad is misleading. What's the big deal? This: Portman’s energy plan is fairly representative of where many in the GOP are on energy -- long on government expenditure and near-sighted arrogance about Washington’s ability to decide which energy technologies should succeed; short on the sort of faith in private enterprise that Republicans are supposed to champion. It’s ideologically bizarre that the GOP is taking this policy path. Such positioning is stifling efforts to pass a sensible energy bill this summer. And, by the way, it’s good evidence that the party isn’t actually departing from its spendthrift past.

By Stephen Stromberg  | July 6, 2010; 2:21 PM ET
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While the Republicans might be perceived as being arrogant, nothing demonstrates arrogance more than when NANCY PELOSI marched thru the Tea Party demonstrators, carrying that OVERSIZED GAVEL, smirk on her face, to show that she was successful in shoving the HEALTHCARE SCHEME down our collective throats!

The American People are not as stupid as we were when we voted for Obama. Our eyes are open, and we are watching and waiting, for ELECTION DAY. And then our "collective voices" WILL BE HEARD!

WE'LL REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!

Posted by: barrysal | July 6, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

While the Republicans might be perceived as being arrogant, nothing demonstrates arrogance more than when NANCY PELOSI marched thru the Tea Party demonstrators, carrying that OVERSIZED GAVEL, smirk on her face, to show that she was successful in shoving the HEALTHCARE SCHEME down our collective throats!

The American People are not as stupid as we were when we voted for Obama. Our eyes are open, and we are watching and waiting, for ELECTION DAY. And then our "collective voices" WILL BE HEARD!

WE'LL REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!
===========================

So will we..

BTW Nancy Pelosi showed CONFIDENCE..
AND love that it frustrated you..

Mark my words

Republican are going to lose seats in both the Seanate and Congress.

Posted by: godwithfire55 | July 6, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe there are people out there who think Republicans know how to govern. I guess eight years of record deficits, two interminable wars, assaults on civil liberties, torture, deceit, corruption and scandal weren't enough.

Posted by: newsraptor | July 6, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

If we were to "take the decisions regarding which green technologies prosper out of the hands of lawmakers" who at the least represent the American people, into whose hands would the writer suggest we place these decisions?
Is he kidding?
The people liken him who actually think that "Carbon pricing, on the other hand, would more than pay for itself?"
Is he kidding?
As always that which "spurs private individuals to find and invest in the cheapest routes to a greener economy" is that which WORKS and where they can make profit, not the things which require heavy subsidies based on dreams to survive.

The US needs a reality-based energy policy. Stromberg and his ilk have become tedious in their refusal to accept reality. Do they even understand it? Do they want to?

Posted by: parkbench | July 6, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Democrats have shown that they have a lock on the "arrogance" thing. Listening to the American people is not important to them because, afterall, they are so much more intelligent than the average person.

Posted by: bethg1841 | July 6, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Democrats have shown that they have a lock on the "arrogance" thing. Listening to the American people is not important to them because, afterall, they are so much more intelligent than the average person.

Posted by: bethg1841
==============================
WOW you sound like one of those Democrats..

SOUTHERN DEMOCRATS...

now called Republicans..

Posted by: godwithfire55 | July 6, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Got a plan other than tax, tax, tax. You would think we first need a CLEAR PLAN (something Mr. Obama is short on) to wean the country off fossil fuels. What will replace the oil burning furnaces we heat our homes with. How many new nuclear power plants will be built to replace the oil dependent plants? No clear plan of action, just a tax. Makes sense to me!

Posted by: Bockscar | July 6, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

A better headline would read "GOP hypocrisy on EVERYTHING." Would the first 100 positions of hypocrisy be enough for The People never to elect them again? The first 1,000?

How much would China have to pay a Republican to get them to turn on Obama? North Korea? Bin laden? That's the treachery right wingers have become...


Posted by: ScottChallenger | July 6, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Even the Economist (a free-trade, center-right magazine) supports carbon pricing. It just shows how far right-wing the Republicans have become.

Posted by: Aerowaz | July 6, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

TO: barrysal who wrote:
“…The American People are not as stupid as we were when we voted for Obama. Our eyes are open, and we are watching and waiting, for ELECTION DAY. And then our "collective voices" WILL BE HEARD! WE'LL REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!”

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

No, you were “stupid” when you voted for Bush, twice.

We’ll be there in November too, making sure we cancel out each and every vote to return to the corrupt world of the Republican psychos.

If your eyes were truly “open” you wouldn’t be voting for any Republican.

Voting Republican, and admitting it, shows you still live in the narrow minded, deaf, dumb and blind world of the racist wacko right wing of the Republican Tea Bagging Party.

Posted by: lindalovejones | July 6, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Smarter than the average person? No. Smarter than bethg1841, probably.

Posted by: baldinho1 | July 6, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Obama seems to be in love with European Socialism but he will not build a nuclear power plant... like they have... but feels free to TAX Americans who have seen their incomes go backwards over the past 8-10 years... so we make less and the Govt only wants to take more to force us out of being able to afford energy at all. How is that "helping the middle class".. it is actually creating a new and growing lower class.

And of course in an opinion piece like this you get the extreme liberals who view them selves as superior to everyone else and all GOP members as redneck idiots. Sometimes more Govt is NOT always better...

What many people fail to realize is that America is a much cleaner and environmentally responsible country than we were 20-30 years ago and the changes are occurring without the Govt taxing us. School children are being taught about being responsible for the planet and the message is being brought home to the parents as well. These changes are drastic compared to where we were years ago and getting better. Being green is now the right thing to do and people are doing it without new taxes and a new layer of Govt to control everything.

Posted by: tbastian | July 6, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Obama's cap & tax proposal will raise the price of everything. All our food and goods are made with, grown with, transported by, or wrapped materials made from petroleum. Obama himself said that his plan would make the price of energy skyrocket. The price of everything else will follow. Remember Obama also said that you couldn't eat what you wanted, heat your house, or drive your car and have the rest of the world say OK---he meant it.

Posted by: FredChatard | July 6, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Obama's cap & tax proposal will raise the price of everything. All our food and goods are made with, grown with, transported by, or wrapped materials made from petroleum.
================================

DUDE the are rising without the so called Tax and CAP Proposal.

What is it you want to ignore?

Raise Taxes
SPECIFICALLY to
Pay Of the National Debt

Posted by: godwithfire55 | July 6, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

"Obama's cap & tax proposal will raise the price of everything."

Until someone figures out how to produce everything without using fossil fuels and thus not subject to the carbon tax. Then their goods are cheaper and they succeed in the marketplace. That's why it's called a market-based solution. The carbon tax does not apply to clean energy. Make the switch in enough industries, and the carbon tax simply goes away. That is the point.

Posted by: leftcoaster | July 6, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

To all the "smart guys" who feel the need to tee up republicans but can only offer solar panels made in China and windmills, answer me this, What energy can you point too that is more efficient then oil? How about a policy to drive the price of gasoline to $1,50 a gallon. Does anyone dispute that the impact would spur the economy out of its recession and put more $$$ in the pockets of the middle class. All that done without a change in tax policy, how about that.

Posted by: elcigaro1 | July 6, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

The current GOP's membership question is always; how can I pass Oil, Coal, and Gas Pollution and Poisons onto the Public without making the Polluters pay for it??? How can I abuse the Taxpayer funded Privilege of my office to advance Oil, Gas and Coal interests and get more campaign Money???

How can I allow Wall Street Banks to Win and the Public Taxpayer to Lose and get more campaign money for doing so??? It’s always “Heads I win, Tails you Lose” with Wall Street. How can I ensure Health Insurance companies continue to Gouge the Consumer with administrative overhead and duplicate procedures so I can get more campaign contributions???

How can I keep people Unemployed while Obama is in office and Stop and Delay Clean Energy Jobs legislation and using less Oil (which might cut into my profits~ ala Joe Barton and Judge Martin L.C. Feldman)???

How…How…How….Eureka…I’ll just block and say NO to any meaningful reform and weaken anything that passes so I can attack it later…-or-…call it an Evil Energy Tax so Pollution can continue unabated to be paid for by the Public while I take the Profits. An Evil Tax is much worse, much for Fearful than a little Poison or CO2 that you cannot see.... High Five…..Fist Pump….Flying Chest Bump!!!

Posted by: Airborne82 | July 6, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Why are the comrades in the Republicant Party of No so enthused by the idea of shipping my American dollars overseas to their comrades in Saudi Arabia?

Seriously!

Posted by: WillSeattle | July 6, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

The USA uses 25% of the Worlds oil but has only 2% of it. The Gulf provides 30% of our Domestic Production, which is less than 1% of Global production (30% of 2%= .667%). No amount of Domestic Drilling (Onshore and Offshore) will Adjust that number Even a Single Percentage Point or have a 1% effect on the price of Oil on World Markets.

All Oil Drilled in the Gulf should remain in the USA at a fixed price of $50~$60/barrel even if Global prices are higher or lower. At that Price Oil Companies will still make Hundreds of Billions off of USA Oil. Oil Drilled in the USA should remain in the USA and Improve our Energy and Economic Security and Secure the USA from Oil Industry Price Gouging.

70% of our Oil use is in Transportation. Expanding Freight Rail along I81 can remove Thousands of Trucks, save Billions of Barrels of Oil, and Create Tens of Thousands of Jobs. That’s Billions of Dollars less we send to the Middle East for Oil to support Terrorist weapons that are used against our Troops and Civilians.

Posted by: Airborne82 | July 6, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

"Hypocrisy", per se, is one of those all-time Moslem favorites.

In fact, the Koran enjoins them to "Kill the hypocrites".

Never mind that hypocrisy is 99.999999999% in the mind of the observer and is meaningless as a motive for anything, I really wish the Liberals would get off that one trick pony.

It sounds bad, sure, as if anybody really cares (certainly not the Democrats eh!), but it does raise the specter of internecine warfare filled with bloodshed and the murder of innocents as competing bands of Islamofascist bandits weed out those they believe to be "hypocrites".

Someday the WarshPost should bother finding some Americans with a good grounding in Western culture to write these articles.

Posted by: muawiyah | July 6, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

At only 5% of USA Energy Generation, Renewable Energy employees over 60% of Energy Workers (over 770,000 Direct Jobs compared to 1.27 million in Oil and Gas). That’s 60% of “Direct Energy Industry Jobs” without poisoning and wasting Trillions of Barrels of fresh water supplies. No other industry Conserves and Preserves Trillions of barrels of fresh water annually.

Renewable Energy Industries are the only game in town for Doubling and Tripling Employment in energy generation and in creating Products we can export and sell to the world. America has to rebuild its Manufacturing Industries and Produce Products the world wants and needs.

The USA cannot sell Multi-Billion 100% Taxpayer funded military hardware but we can sell taxpayer and private industry funded Wind, Solar, Torrefactioned Biomass, Stationary Fuel Cell, Nuclear, Hydro, Algae Ethanol, Cellulosic Biofuels, Natural Gas, and Efficient Freight Rail locomotives to meet domestic and global needs.

Military men and women fight, die, and experience daily casualties in the Middle East while most other Americans have forgotten the meaning of Sacrifice. It makes no sense to borrow money to support the Bush era tax breaks while others are suffering and sacrificing for our country.

Article: “Endless war”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/25/AR2010062502160.html

Posted by: Airborne82 | July 6, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Stromberg,

I think you have a good command of the policy you are discussing. Cap-and-dividend and/or tax-and-dividend are the way to go as they are market-based and totally consistent with conservative ideology, which begs the question of whether the consevative movement really has an ideological foundation at all. It is not a matter of beig in love with taxes. It is a matter of correcting for market imperfections by pricing in the externalities. Another fallacy is that fossil fuels are cheaper - the economics favors them, because the price of energy responds to the supply of fuel. So, in a given year natural gas may be cheap, and it is hard to sell your wind power, and make your debt payments. Renewables require up-front investments - that is why many countries have instituted feed-in tarriffs to kick-start markets for renewable technologies like wind and solar.

Posted by: AlexThuronyi1 | July 6, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Cap and trade is a huge scam. It will make the scandal in derivatives trading pale by comparison. It is easily manipulated. People like Al Gore and Obama will make multi-millions from this. As cap costs are passed on to consumers, it will indeed be an energy tax. Liberals are lying about this.

Posted by: fgoepfert1 | July 6, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse


Attention Dims and other nitwits:

Electric cars are not going to replace gasoline engines. The electric energy grid cannot even withstand a couple of 100 degree days in the heat of summer without widespread brownouts. What do you knuckleheads think is going to power your automobiles? Ludicrous.

Posted by: screwjob17 | July 6, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

What you describe is a carbon tax, NOT cap and trade as presently drafted. The bill allocates(gives) rights to emmit to favored sectors without cost, just as Mr. Portman's bill gives subsidies to favored sectors. Yes, a carbon tax would be better from an efficiency and "freedom" approach but the bill as drafted is not that.

Posted by: PCK2 | July 6, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

"BTW Nancy Pelosi showed CONFIDENCE.."

Sure, the same confidence as Alfred E Newmann.

I'll bet you a cup of coffee that George W Bush is smarter than her in every conceivable way.

Posted by: Ombudsman1 | July 6, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

"Electric cars are not going to replace gasoline engines."

At various times in our history, the same argument could have been made about the automobile and airplane, and any number of other things.

Think about air travel today. I can go to the airport, hop on a plane, and be across the country in a few hours. Imagine how ludicrous that would have seemed in the early 20th century.

People who say this, I can only respond. Thank goodness no one listens to you, or we would still be using the horse and buggy.

Posted by: leftcoaster | July 6, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

While we are pointing a finger at hypocrisy, don't forget all the politicians and media figures, our president included who pretend that alternative energy sources, chiefly wind and solar, can lower our dependence on petroleum.

Petroleum is primarily a transportation fuel and it is unrivaled. Pretending otherwise is just posturing to fool the rubes.

Posted by: edbyronadams | July 6, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

To all Saudi-loving, Hugo Chavez-loving, Iran-loving conservative oil apologists, no one in favor in energy independence is claiming that we should or could go "cold turkey" from oil. The point is that we START to cut down our consumption of it -- smartly but aggressively. With the right price incentives, the free market should decide which new, AMERICAN technology (or a combination thereof) wins out: solar, geothermal, nuclear, etc. As long as it's clean and keeps our dollars here and not flowing to the Muslim world -- where they're used to fund al-Qa'ida, bankroll Iran's government, and threaten Israel -- I don't care which one it is. If all you right-wingers were half as patriotic as you claim to be, you'd be criticizing the president for not being aggressive enough on this. As long as oil remains a strategic commodity, America is not a strong as we can and should be. Why you love to remain enslaved to the oil companies remains one of the great modern political mysteries.

Posted by: TimUVA1 | July 6, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Right now, the lowest carbon emitting way to to build new power plants that are reliable is to build gas fired turbines. Alas, natural gas is the one viable alternative to petroleum for most transportation needs.

Posted by: edbyronadams | July 6, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

If nothing else, Ronald Reagan and the republican crime syndicate has proven beyond any doubt - unless you are totally delusional - that self-regulation is another term for chaos, another term for robber-barons, another term for economic and environmental catastrophe.

Posted by: BigTrees | July 6, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Dear Parkbench,

Do you think that for all these many decades the oil and gas industries haven't been the recipients of very generous tax breaks, while at the same time polluting the commonly owned air and water around us? The "free market" has never reflected anything near the true cost of fossil fuels. This is the same oil and gas industry that will be stuffing $millions into political ads of politicians who will support what they want.

Posted by: AnnArborGuy | July 6, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

stromballs: what you dont realize is the difference between the perception of subsidies and carbon taxes among business (big and small) and entrepreneurs. increase subsidies for some corn ethanol producer in iowa is not likely to keep a service business in miami from expanding. a carbon tax will. this is why we need people who understand how things work in the private sector (i.e., 70% of or economy and shrinking) not just abstract economic principles, even if the principles are mostly laudable.

Posted by: dummypants | July 6, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

He may be hypocritical, but that doesn't change the fact that the carbon pricing model is a bust- just look at Europe.

Posted by: moebius22 | July 6, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Oh, so we should impose a tax through cap n trade because we are "uncertain" of the efficacy of alternative fuels in weaning us off them.

Shall we call this the "uncertainty tax"? :)))

And Portman's plan would be "expensive to the federal government"! Well, we certainly don't want to cause the federal government any undo expenses given it is so accomplished at causing such for itself, to wit: the deficit.

So let's unload all that expense on the private sector, including the poor and the middle class, while bureacrats get rich administering, and socialists build their fiefdoms. Great plan! "Or not".

Posted by: bbwk80a1 | July 6, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

So the Democrats say, "GOP arrogance, hypocrisy on energy policy."

Democrats have this financial plan worked out to make money, I mean $Trillions of dollars and it's all set up to fall right into a select few (Democrats) pockets. It is called Cap and Trade, the biggest scam ever to be attempted on the American public in the history of the country. These so-called environmental's are nothing but a bunch of crooks, hard-core thieves, they have pseudo companies newly incorporated, owners are name recognizable. These thugs are waiting to sell us poor dopes 'air.' Like God got off his throne and gave it to these jerks to run over the bodies of the world to make their ill-gotten gains off the backs of the poor and middle class who are just getting by paycheck to paycheck. Obama said himself that 'the electricity bills would necessarily skyrocket under cap and trade.' Old people would go without heat in the winters and freeze to death right here in America. The land of the free and home of the brave no more, not once these evil genies are out of the bottle with their cap and trade charade.

And the Democrats have the nerve, the unmitigated gall to call the GOP and people who stand up against their plot to sell the world 'air.' What God gave us freely, these filthy Democrats think they are going to sell it to us. Well, I think they have another thought coming. America has had just about enough of these evil, self-serving thieves that call themselves our political officials. America has had more than enough of their plans to mock this great country and the people who live here. Democrats, SEIU, UNIONS had better pull their necks in and think long and hard before setting this country up for anymore health care rip-offs, reforms, etc., cap and trades deals. And they have the gall to say the GOP is arrogant. We shall see, we shall see...

Posted by: prossers7 | July 6, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Why doesn't the Post have a columnist take the Democratric party to task for blindly accepting the dogma of climate change as proven scientific fact and taking this country into a "green" utopian state which to me is nothing more than living like the Amish..which most of us accept as going backward. Oil and coal are needed to keep this country moving forward, and any replacement energy alternative is a long way from being available at such a low cost. The point is that your obvious lack of objectivity on this subject, even in an opinion section, makes Stromberg to be another shill for the political left.

Posted by: tcb700 | July 6, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Why does the "Post Partisan" column engage in partisan name-calling/? Why does the Washington Post engage in partisan attacks?
Why does the Post attack Republicans who are't in office? Why does the Washington Post hold soirees for fat cat Democrats and Democrat Administration officials?...."send a price signal"????What are you talking about? Why don't you just suggest nationalizing all the energy companies and be done with it.

Posted by: chatard | July 7, 2010 12:02 AM | Report abuse

BTW Nancy Pelosi showed CONFIDENCE.."

Sure, the same confidence as Alfred E Newmann.

I'll bet you a cup of coffee that George W Bush is smarter than her in every conceivable way.

Posted by: Ombudsman1 | July 6, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

****
Wow, your confidence in Barbara's retarded son is really low. A couple of coffee, please!
Nancy Pelosi isn't displaying arrogance, she is doing her job and doing it masterfully. Something your Delay toady Dennis Hastert failed to do and she certainly makes Boehnner look like the wimp he is. Put a competent woman in front of you guys, one who is doing her job really well and accomplishing what she was tasked with, and you fools go ape.
It is evident that the only person smarter than you is Georgie W. Bush, Bring It On! Dead of Alive! WMD Yellow Cake! We'll be greeted with flowers, Helluva job Brownie!!!! fritz

Posted by: papafritz571 | July 7, 2010 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Stromberg,

Unfortunately that is America's greatest fear in the Carbon Tax Scheme " spurring private individuals to find and invest in the cheapest routes". Our fear is the cheapest route is having the light company shut off the power to our homes. Of course our lack of electricity/fuel is for our own good. Since we cannot afford to pay the "green taxes" therefore we are irresponsible citizens and trashing the global climate.

Vote NO

Posted by: RavenGodiva | July 7, 2010 3:44 AM | Report abuse

We need more news about the harm of subsidies and the practicality of paying the real cost of various forms of energy. We end up paying in the end, not so much at the pump nowadays, but in tax breaks for BP and the rest of them.

Posted by: annegreen | July 7, 2010 7:11 AM | Report abuse

You are good, really really good and witty

==============================
WOW you sound like one of those Democrats..

SOUTHERN DEMOCRATS...

now called Republicans..

Posted by: godwithfire55

Posted by: joebob2nd | July 7, 2010 7:27 AM | Report abuse

Yes, the GOP is not only wrong, but they are arrogant, and hypocrites! Must dig up dirt on them...

Posted by: MikeMcLamara | July 7, 2010 7:41 AM | Report abuse

Whenever I read comments supporting the "Republicans", I know that these are people who have never known what a real Republican is. A real Republican would not write such comments, play games, try to bring down a President (regardless of what party he/she belonged to), start an unnecessary war, favor the rich, disfavor the Main Street crowd, destroy the economy of the United States, and apologize to BP. It turns my stomach whenever I read such dishonest comments. The real Republicans are embarrassed to have these new guys take our name!

Posted by: Formerrepublican | July 7, 2010 7:41 AM | Report abuse

After the disaster the republicans visited on America over eight years - by almost ANY measure - if they are voted back in this November, Americans truly will have demonstrated the greatest stupidity since the British newspaper headlined after the 2004 presidential elections: "How can 69 million people be so DUMB"! And as history showed, the Brits were right.

Posted by: Pearl77 | July 7, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

While the Republicans might be perceived as being arrogant, nothing demonstrates arrogance more than when NANCY PELOSI marched thru the Tea Party demonstrators, carrying that OVERSIZED GAVEL, smirk on her face, to show that she was successful in shoving the HEALTHCARE SCHEME down our collective throats!

The American People are not as stupid as we were when we voted for Obama. Our eyes are open, and we are watching and waiting, for ELECTION DAY. And then our "collective voices" WILL BE HEARD!

WE'LL REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!

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You got one thing right when you said "The American People are not as stupid as we were when we voted for Obama" the the growth of the Tea Party I would have to say they are even more stupid than before. And, as you have demonstrated they have been given a voice and told that being stupid is ok, we even have our own political party, the Tea Party.

BTW I am sure that 9 out of 10 Klansmen support the Tea Party. And can you blame Pelosi? I would do the same thing if I had the chance to stick it in the face of the Tea Klan.

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Posted by: rcc_2000 | July 7, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

"Portman’s energy plan is fairly representative of where many in the GOP are on energy -- long on government expenditure and near-sighted arrogance about Washington’s ability to decide which energy technologies should succeed; short on the sort of faith in private enterprise that Republicans are supposed to champion."

You forgot "deeply snuggled in the pockets of oil executives." It's not about "private enterprise" for them... that was only ever code for "preservation of the status quo allocation of wealth and political power." If the market does not continue to work to the benefit of conservative white men, they become skeptical of market forces... without ever admitting their skepticism, of course, as they know that whatever clumsily-constructed explanations they put forward assigning blame to Democrats and liberals will be accepted without question by their incurious base voters.

Posted by: meuphys_rasbene | July 7, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

You can do a quick scan of any posts and tell without reading it if it is from a Republican in three ways - words typed in capitals; words misspelled, and the word "liberal" somewhere in the text---

Posted by: southernbutnotstupid | July 7, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

barrysal

Oh - you republicans hate hate hate it when a loud and proud woman scares you to pieces.

Posted by: dutchess2 | July 7, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

There is a green "technology" that the stalwart environmentalists never mention when they envision the brave new world.

Remember that Mr Obama told us that his plan would necessarily cause the cost of electricity to skyrocket.

since no liberal anywhere has ever said that the carbon tax would be offset by a reduction in taxes elsewhere. Not a word of that. As a result the move to "green" means that Americans will simply have less to spend.

so here we are, the liberals want a carbon tax, they want a transition to "green" technology and they have no clue about the impact on people if their demands are met.

Back to the new green technology: washboards. Americans simply won't have the money to run their washers and dryers, so we'll use a washboard and cold water (heating water is a waste of energy, right liberals?) and hang the clothes to dry just like our ancestors did.

This should really improve the standing of both Obama and the environmentalists among the folks whose clothes have frozen in the February cold.

Yeah, if the liberals have their way, the Amish life style will look lavish.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | July 7, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

this article sounds rather shrill.. regarding loud and proud women (who I'm not afraid of), I nominate Sarah Palin. she rocks!

Posted by: ascheylus | July 7, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

So will we..

BTW Nancy Pelosi showed CONFIDENCE..
AND love that it frustrated you..

Mark my words

Republican are going to lose seats in both the Seanate and Congress.

Posted by: godwithfire55 | July 6, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

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Going to so enjoy that "deer in the headlights" look you're gonna have in November.

Then repeal........Then take back our country.......
Tea anyone?

Posted by: tjmlrc | July 7, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

For energy systems there is a monetary carbon equivalence. If "green" wind, solar or ethanol energy systems have total costs that are higher than systems using natural gas, coal or petroleum, the reason is the "green" systems have bigger carbon footprints. The footprints relate to the mining, manufacturing, transporting and assembling the components of these facilities, all of which use incremental energy which is essentially fossil energy the world over. Mr. Stromberg mentions "weaning the country off fossil fuels", but when babies are weaned off breast milk parents have other foods with which to nourish the babies. The USA has nothing with which to replace fossil fuels, and its not working on anything that has promise of doing so; neither is anyone else working on a miracle new energy source. There's lots of R&D talk but there really isn't anything potentially useful happening there. If people are looking, they haven't been finding. In the long run nuclear could reduce the net carbon input per unit of useful energy output, but politicians seem more interested in blocking rather than advancing nuclear power.
Mr. Stromberg's plan is as realistic as his deciding to wean himself off hydrocarbon foods. Perhaps he should try it for a while; fasting has been known to help some people think more clearly.

Posted by: mctiguep | July 7, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

You can do a quick scan of any posts and tell without reading it if it is from a Republican in three ways - words typed in capitals; words misspelled, and the word "liberal" somewhere in the text---

Posted by: southernbutnotstupid | July 7, 2010 10:58 AM
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And republicans are going to going have to pry those welfare checks and food stamps out of the cold dead hands of the democrats on this post like southernbutstupid's.

Posted by: tjmlrc | July 7, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

The problem with the Republicans is that they are simply too stupid to realize that cap & trade is a great capitalist opportunity to develop all sorts of new markets. Examples of this would be a market were cap & trade credits can be bought and sold. Also, it would stimulate CO2 reduction technology.

The main argument against it is the cost of retrofitting existing equipment is prohibitive and instead want us to offer energy companies subsidies (yeah the is just what Exxon needs). That line of thinking is simplistic (big surprise). Yes it will cost $ to retrofit but that also stimulates growth for that sector (Dems = capitalist GOP = Subsidies/socialism LOL). It also encourages upgrading equipment.

In the end what it really could stimulate is development of non-polluting, alternative, renewable energy. Of course the GOP is not interested in that, they rather leave that development to the Chinese who already have taken US & European developed technologies and have taken the lead ( GOP=Pro-China Communist).

It is amazing how short sighted the GOP can be. The only reason they rather do subsidies (spend our tax $) over cap & trade is that Cap & Trade will create a free market for CO2 credit trading, encourage development (which might allow a non-Exxon to flourish, heaven forbid) and best of all would not rely on our Tax $ to make it work, at least not in comparison to subsidies. Yes, Cap & Trade will increase costs to the consumer, but it will also stimulate the economy and a new business sector. The GOP solution still costs the consumer more money, contributes to global warming and slows down real progress.

One last thing, the GOP is relying on energy companies to develop new technologies but that is absolutely counter intuitive for them. Their main interests are preserving the status quo that their empires have been designed to work in.

So in the end the GOP is out to help 1) China 2) multinational energy companies and the Dems are out to help 1) develop alternate energy in a free market environment 2) help small and medium size businesses develop new technologies and 3)create a market for trading credits.

Posted by: rcc_2000 | July 8, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse


This is actually sad to read these comments. After listening to bully Obama screaming like a little girl lately because he's losing voters and lying like a schoolboy to save face, it is difficult to imagine anyone still hanging onto his rhetoric like a security blanket.

And, to make matters even worse, people are taking up for Nancy Pelosi, OMG! Now, that's got to be desparation or insanity. Championing Pelosi is like cheering for Godzilla in drag. Phew!

Posted by: prossers7 | July 8, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

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