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Giuliani speaks on 'mosque.' Now, where's George W. Bush?

How does that Bible saying go, “Ask and ye shall receive”? Well, on Tuesday with regard to the “mosque” debate, I asked, “[W]here is Rudy Giuliani?”
I guess he heard me, because there was the former New York City mayor sitting with Matt Lauer of the Today Show talking about the controversy.

Giuliani pretty much espoused the same points he made during that conservative radio show interview in July. He had questions about the people behind Park51. “Are you really what you pretend to be?” Giuliani asked. “If you’re going to so horribly offend the people most directly affected by this.....how are you healing?” And he has questions about the imam, Feisal Abdul Rauf, who would lead the project. “I'm confused by the imam," Giuliani said. "I see all the things that you're saying, but I also see a man that says America was an accessory to Sept. 11."

I don’t agree with Giuliani on this. I think Park51 should be built -- and in the location chosen by the private developers, which is not at Ground Zero but two blocks north of it. But there’s a difference between Giuliani and his fellow Republicans who have waded in on this issue. While he’s asking tough, edgy questions of the project’s backers, he’s doing so without engaging in the needlessly inflammatory and divisive rhetoric that makes a mockery of everyone’s professed support of freedom of religion.

Now that Giulaini has broken his silence, it’s time for another one to do so. Calling George W. Bush.

By Jonathan Capehart  | August 19, 2010; 8:40 AM ET
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Comments

Capehart didn't like what Guiliani was saying .. so he looking for another Republican ?

Maybe if George Bush won't help save the Dems.. maybe he'll next ask Colin Powell ?

Maybe Capehart should just follow the lead of frightened Dems and reject the mosque like Harry Reid ? or maybe ask for opponents to be investigated ? like Nancy Pelosi ?

Posted by: Petras123 | August 19, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS BEING TAUGHT IN AMERICAN MOSQUES?

GOOGLE: PAMPHLETS FOUND IN AMERICAN MOSQUES

Posted by: fortitude | August 19, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

George Bush would seem to be much smarter and more professional than Obama. He knows enough not to needlessly get involved in a very controversial but very local issue. He probably sees no point in further politicizing and exacerbating an issue that divides the country. Sadly Obama lacks the leadership or judgment to do the same.

Posted by: amazd | August 19, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Capehart, Please leave Bush alone. The guy has kept a low profile in his retirement as befits an ex President. You and your paper have reviled the guy and your President villifies him at every occasion, even callously claiming the sucess in Iraq as an administration success. Now that you think he agrees with you on an issue you suddenly respect his opinion? Typical cheap shot from another of the Ezra Klein young punk brigade at WPO.

Posted by: jkk1943 | August 19, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

jkk1943 is absolutely right. Unlike his predecessor, George Bush has done exactly what former presidents should do: keep their damned mouths shut.

Really, what can George Bush add to this conversation? Nothing. I'm not denigrating him by saying this, but stating that there are already way too many voices and opinions on this.

Seems really that Capehart pines for the days when Bush could be his punching bag. As long as Bush is silent, Capehart is denied his quarry.

Posted by: traderdad37 | August 19, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Capering-rat, Look, I know your column was written for 14 year olds..."yah yah my father can beat your father"..sort of thing. But lets take a look at your great Bogeyman W.

-- He had the class not to lambaste his predecessor Bubba when Bubba sold pardons, left him with a depression to handle (tech bubble..remember?), and then tried to upstage his inauguration by an orchestrated, band playing departure from WDC never before seen by a retiring President.

-- He has had the class not to involve himself in policy after his own retirement, and this in the face of unrelenting and often lying personal and professional attacks on him and his record by his successor.

So Cap-in-hand..find someone else to carry your insensitive, pro-Muslim water for you...try some Democrats; Harry Reid for instance. I'm sure he'll support you.

By the way Cake-fat, according to your logic it's time to raise a Nazi flag next to Auchwitz, build a Turkish Mosque in Armenia, Build a cathedral in Mecca, put a KKK meeting hall in Harlem, put anti-gay office in Dupont Square, and hoist the Mexican Flag over the Capital, all in the name of creating good-will and tolerance.

Posted by: wjc1va | August 19, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Capeheart you're such a joke you demand a comment from a GOPer who actually had already commented on the issue a month ago. His comment is not to your liking so you want to trout out Bush. Bush can't save the Libs and even if he could why should he?

Posted by: cleancut77 | August 19, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Well we certainly shouldn't try to dictate to other countries what type of worship houses they should allow when we show intolerance here at home. It would be a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

For those that bring up that tired old argument of KKK rallies, there have been KKK rallies held in Memphis on the date Dr. King was murdered. They had the permit and it was their right. I know because I have relatives who attended the counter march on the same day. While not pleased about the KKK being there, it still remained peaceful.

Posted by: zzishate@yahoo.com | August 19, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

True it's not Ground Zero, but the Burlington Coat Factory building where the civic center / mosque is slated was the first building impacted by the terrorist - the landing gear of the plane crashed the bulding. And yes all the terrorist were radical islam extremist. Look at the facts and many of the readical groups that staged attacks do so out of their mosques. They have used their religion as the base for their jihad and have interlocked Islam with radical Islam. Until Islam takes steps to seperate or divorce themsselves from the radical elements they deserve scrutiny and the building of the GZ mosque will not promote healing.

Posted by: stanishr | August 19, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

It amazes me how people think Park 51 is "sacred ground". How many blocks are considered "sacred ground"? However, in all this discussion no one talks about the fact that nothing absolutely nothing has been done on "sacred ground" to memoralize those who lost their life.

Posted by: rlj1 | August 19, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Capeheart-

I appreciate that you have pointed out the difference between what Mr. Giuliani is doing (directing his comments and questions to the property owners/developers) and what the louder voices in opposition are doing (demanding intervention to stop the property owners).
It wasn't so long ago that most citizens could understand the difference. The phrase "I may not agree with what you say, but I defend your right to say it" was not thought to be too nuanced or complicated a sentiment for politicians and citizens to grasp.

Mr. Giuliani and President Obama may not agree on much, but they are not far apart on this issue. The essential rights of private property owners and the religious freedoms guaranteed in our glorious experiment of a nation are non-negotiable. While reasonable people may differ on the wisdom of developing this project in this location, it is up to the owners of the property to decide.

Posted by: sail83 | August 19, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

In my maybe not that astute opinion but my own the mosque controversy boils down to the following : Its NOT about freedom of religion and constitutional rights. Its not about bigotry. Its not about unwarranted paranoia re the Arab world coming out of the woodwork. Its about sensitivity to grief. Grief after 10 years? In a word yes. Maybe ok after 20 will a mosque be but not now. How can such a position be defended or reasoned logically? It can't be. Analogies can be made but they will then be torn apart and scrutinized to the nth for lack of total correspondence. Its just a feeling - symbols remind - fairly or unfairly they do and in the end shouldn't a griever have what he wants near his loved one"s grave? All mosque opponents can hope for is the compassion of this mosque's clergy and devotees and their upholding of the Koran itself where Allah says on almost every third page "I am compassionate." If they should move the mosque in this spirit that would be a relious moment given to few faiths to have on this world's stage.

Posted by: joanpen | August 19, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Who are the owners of the property? Are they putting their greed for $$$ ahead of sensitivity for their fellow NYers? Expose them for what they really represent!

Posted by: rustynailx | August 19, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Joanpen, I know you have passionate feelings on this issue, and I think you are right in saying, "All mosque opponents can hope for is the compassion of this mosque's clergy and devotees and their upholding of the Koran itself where Allah says on almost every third page "I am compassionate." "
Maybe the project will be moved out of compassion for those still grieving who would be hurt by its presence; maybe it will go forward as planned; let's all hope it is not cancelled out of fear or in response to bigotry. But let's be true to our core values and focus on that hope, not the fear and hatred some opponents choose.

Posted by: sail83 | August 19, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

EARTH TO THE WASHINGTON POST....

Bush is no longer president.

They old bait-and-switch!!!! Nice try...

Palin is right, Obama doesn't have the cohonays for this job. He talks out of both sides of his mouth.

Posted by: ravioliman6666 | August 19, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Capehart,
There are many points with which to historically debate about George W. Bush's Presidency.

One thing you can be hard to argue with though is his personal respect for the office of the President of the United States. He has rode off into the sunset and is an ex-President. He's purposely maintained a low profile since leaving office. To make statements on policy or to steer the political debate undermines the current President.

President Bush is exhibiting class in his retirement, leave the man alone and move forward please. If you want to find some Republican/Conservative statement to attack, there are plenty of active ones that are all too willing to comply.

Posted by: kolbkl | August 19, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

President Bush is doing the right thing by staying out of it. He respects the Presidency enough to not in any way undermine the current president.

And another thing Mr. Capeheart, why do you want him to chime in? To bail out Obama? After being slandered, maligned and scapegoated for the last two years why the hell should he lift a finger to help anyone in the current leadership?

Posted by: bbface21 | August 19, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Now that Giulaini, Obama, Bill Clinton Reid, Pelosi, Dean, and others have put played with the tar ball for you so called journalist, why do you feel the need to quote Calling former President George W. Bush end quote. Would rather hear from Holder the wise man.

Posted by: ZebZ | August 19, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Now that Giulaini, Obama, Bill Clinton Reid, Pelosi, Dean, and others have put played with the tar ball for you so called journalist, why do you feel the need to quote Calling former President George W. Bush end quote. Would rather hear from Holder the wise man.

Posted by: ZebZ | August 19, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

amazd

Now THAT'S amazing!

silly, but amazing.

Posted by: dutchess2 | August 19, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Ahhh, first they hired the General they once called "Betrayus" to come save their bacon, now they beg the President they daily renounced as a crusading intolerant warmonger to come and do it again (even as they STILL campaign against him). Sorry guys, the grownups aren't going to give you cover anymore.

Posted by: martinamerica | August 19, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Much to my appreciation, Bush has stayed out of national debates in his post-presidency, just like his father. Based on his previous comments and actions, he would side with religious tolerance for Muslims on this issue. And that would be welcome.

But I still think the greater good is served for him to keep his counsel and leave national affairs to others. He had his shot.

Posted by: mypitts2 | August 19, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Reply to:

"Capering-rat, Look, I know your column was written for 14 year olds..."yah yah my father can beat your father"..sort of thing. But lets take a look at your great Bogeyman W.

-- He had the class not to lambaste his predecessor Bubba when Bubba sold pardons, left him with a depression to handle (tech bubble..remember?), and then tried to upstage his inauguration by an orchestrated, band playing departure from WDC never before seen by a retiring President.

-- He has had the class not to involve himself in policy after his own retirement, and this in the face of unrelenting and often lying personal and professional attacks on him and his record by his successor.

So Cap-in-hand..find someone else to carry your insensitive, pro-Muslim water for you...try some Democrats; Harry Reid for instance. I'm sure he'll support you.

By the way Cake-fat, according to your logic it's time to raise a Nazi flag next to Auchwitz, build a Turkish Mosque in Armenia, Build a cathedral in Mecca, put a KKK meeting hall in Harlem, put anti-gay office in Dupont Square, and hoist the Mexican Flag over the Capital, all in the name of creating good-will and tolerance.

Posted by: wjc1va | August 19, 2010 10:29 AM |"

I find it both hilarious and depressing that someone who praises George W. Bush's class displays not a shred of that quality in this vile rant.

WJC1VA, if you believe for one second that childishly making fun of someone's name and making a whole series of absurd arguments does anything for your credibility, you're sadly mistaken. It only proves that you and the bigots you support are intellectually and morally bankrupt.

Posted by: DCSteve1 | August 19, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Still unanswered...

Where was the suspicion of the imam when he was employed as and advisor and ambassador of peace by the previous administration?

To hear it told today, Rauf was on Obama's campaign staff, not a recognized voice by both sides of the aisle.

Something smells rotten in the state of News Corporation... again.

Posted by: OldUncleTom | August 19, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

where I grew up the town's main synagogue is across the street from the Catholic cathedral, but I guess in the current climate it would have been appropriate for the Catholics to demand that the "Christ killers" build their temple elsewhere in order to show their sensitivity toward the feelings of the Catholics. Yeah, I know the whole "Christ killer" myth has been shown to be false, but so has the false charge that Islam was behind 9/11.

Posted by: eomcmars | August 19, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Capehart is wrongheaded in his defense of the mosque being built at the site of 9/11, and totally lacking in global context. The U.S. and other Western democracies are not battling Jews or Christians as they are Islamic terrorists around the world (Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, etc, in case he's not aware). The 9/11 massacre was committed in the name of Islam, not in the name of Judaism or Christianity. Mosques are not forbidden to be built in the U.S. and other Western countries, as are synagogues and churches in Muslim countries. I strongly recommend Capehart and others read an article in the August 18 edition of the Wall Street Journal by Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who fled to the U.S. from the Netherlands for fear of her own life after the murder of Theo van Gogh, and who now has to be guarded even here in the U.S.for fear of Muslim retribution.
Giuliani was merely stating the obvious!

Posted by: kevinrodden | August 19, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

I thought that the entire thinking world was aware that the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, was a Mossad False Flag Terror Attack to shock and frighten the American public to support two invasions that Israel desired. Why else would Mossad dispatch agents a week before 911 to video the event (per agents statements on Israeli tv), or Deutsche Bank (Jewish controlled) buying unusually large numbers of put options on United and American airline stock.

Perhaps it's not a Mosque we should worry about, but a Synagogue. The Washington Post wouldn't stand for that but they are owned and operated by people who just happen to be Jewish and pro Israel.

By the way, why isn't Giuliani in jail for his involvement in 911?

Posted by: steveola251c | August 19, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

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