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Why Obama doesn't get Glenn Beck

Not every American who marches behind a hateful crackpot is a hateful crackpot. The peaceful, thoughtful throng that assembled for Louis Farrakhan at the Million Man March in 1995 -- including a young Barack Obama -- proved that point. Notwithstanding some commentary, I tend to feel the same way about the much different (and rather smaller) assemblage that gathered at the behest of Glenn Beck in Washington last Saturday.

Certainly, if you’re president of the United States, the most prudent course is to draw a distinction between the leader and the anonymous masses and treat the latter with at least feigned respect -- even if, as in the case of Beck’s rally, most of them despise you, none of them voted for you and none of them ever would vote for you. Whatever you do, show that they, and their loathsome leader, can’t get your goat.

In that sense, I thought President Obama struck the wrong note in answer to a question about the rally from Brian Williams of NBC News.

The president started off okay, acknowledging that “Mr. Beck and the rest of those folks were exercising their rights under our Constitution exactly as they should.”

But then he fell back on an abstract analysis eerily reminiscent of his notorious “cling to guns or religion” riff from campaign 2008:

I -- I do think that it's important for us to recognize that right now, the country's going through a very difficult time, as a consequence of years of neglect in a whole range of areas. Our schools not working the way they need to, so we've slipped in terms of the number of college graduates, you know?

A financial system that was not, you know, operating in a way that maintained integrity and assured that the people who were investing or who were buying a home or were using a credit card weren't getting in some way cheated. We had a health-care system that was broken and that was bankrupting families and businesses. All those issues are big, tough, difficult issues. And those are just our domestic issues. That's before we get to policy issues in two wars. And a continuing battle against terrorists who want to do us harm. So, given all those anxieties -- and given the fact that, you know, in none of these situations are you going to be fix things overnight. It's not surprising that somebody like a Mr. Beck is able to stir up a certain portion of the country. That's been true throughout our history.

That’s a pretty confident analysis from someone who admitted that he did not even watch the rally on TV. I’m not sure exactly how I would feel if the president labeled me an anxious member of a “certain” subculture manipulated -- “stirred up” -- by “somebody like a Mr. Beck.” But I am sure I wouldn’t feel respected.

Why couldn’t Obama at least find it within himself to say that he shared the rally’s ostensible goals of honoring the military, etc.?

This was such a silly political unforced error that I have to assume Obama committed it out of sincere belief. He appears persuaded, intellectually, that things like bad credit-card regulation and low college graduation rates lead mechanically to irrational populist resentment. He is not a Marxist or even a socialist. But he is what you might call a historical materialist, in that he clearly thinks economic trends are the main determinants of political thought and behavior.

Obviously there’s much truth to the president’s view. But less than he thinks: Plainly, the people who flocked to his banner of “hope” in 2008 weren’t just in it for a few extra GDP points. And for all their opportunism, rancor and obtuseness, I take Beck, Palin, and their followers seriously when they say they're sincerely troubled by the loss of “traditional” American values -- as they imagine them, to be sure -- and seek some kind of “restoration” of spiritual and cultural greatness. It’s not the lack of progress, as Obama defines it, which threatens them -- it’s progress. Movements of this kind have, indeed, been recurrent “throughout our history.” To counter it effectively, Obama must first comprehend it.

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Why is the right allowed to own the "supporting the troops" shtick? Mr. Lane should not be so naive as to think that Mr. Beck's rally was really in support of American soldiers. If Mr. Beck and Mrs. Palin are so adamant about our civil liberties and a "return to honor" then how come they don't have rallies against the unconstitutional Arizona immigration law or against the unconstitutional Patriot Act? I urge anyone to read the following by Dr. Ron Paul (R-Texas): http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/08/27/a_tea_party_foreign_policy

Posted by: tohara1 | August 31, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

He doesn't get Glen Beck because he's not a drooling jobless idiot like the 50k who showed up to listen to Beck's hate rant instead of seeking employment. Stop defending these racist morons, you tool.

Posted by: jakemehoffer | August 31, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse


I think farrakhan and obama are both crackpots.

Posted by: wmpowellfan | August 31, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I'm sure Obama comprehends it. He just doesn't agree with it. Hence, his response dances around trying not to show his disagreement.

Posted by: LifeBeforePrinciple | August 31, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Funny how the Right whines about Afghanistan on a daily basis but then claims to 'support our troops'

Hilariously, this naive author is buying in.

Posted by: jakemehoffer | August 31, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I like the intellectual dimension of this article, and I congratulate the author for spotting the phony/miss-the-point nature of Obama's response to Beck, but I'd ask our scribe to please lighten up on the Tea Party jabs. Progress in the direction of a growing government necessarily limits freedom and will inhibit our real growth as a society. That's the truth. I'm not saying government can't do things right, and I'm certainly not saying it doesn't serve a purpose. But government doesn't do many things right, and its purposes should be limited.

Stick that in your intellectual, high-minded and (possibly) intelligent brain. If you, Mr. Author, agree with my analysis, then maybe the founders were right when they warned against the obtrusive power of government.

Or, maybe you're right in your definition of "progress" as you see it, but I seriously doubt it.

Last point. WaPo is lurching so far left lately, I think the backlash to the Washington Examiner is coming fast and hard. Keep it up, and WaPo will be nothing more than an on-line chatroom in no time.

Posted by: ktp70 | August 31, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to break it to you, Lane, but pretty much anyone with any self-respect and a brain doesn't 'get' Glen Beck. We do however, realize exactly what he is. A snake oil saleman. A huckster. A charlatan. A sideshow carnival act. He's David Koresh and Jimmy Swaggart rolled into one God-hating Talibanesque freak.

Posted by: jakemehoffer | August 31, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

It is not surprising that President Obama would choose his words carefully when speaking about the Glenn Beck followers. After all, most of these folks, in my view, are nothing but a bunch of "states-rights" proponents (they do not like black people or any people of color).

That said, what is the dignified thing for our president to say about this group? I think he did pretty well. And really, Mr, Lane, what is the criticism about? What would you say in his shoes? That's right, you do not know as you are NOT in his shoes.

Beck's minions may have sway over some. But that does not mean what they are saying in both spoken and unspoken code is the right thing. It only means that the rich once again control the masses through fear and hate. And the big money boys plunder what is left of our once great nation.

Posted by: BigBambu | August 31, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

"Last point. WaPo is lurching so far left lately, I think the backlash to the Washington Examiner is coming fast and hard. Keep it up, and WaPo will be nothing more than an on-line chatroom in no time.

Posted by: ktp70 | August 31, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse "

Yeah "Wheels" Krauthammer is quite the liberal. You TaliBaggers will meet reality someday, and it won't be pretty.

Posted by: jakemehoffer | August 31, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

It's OK , I don't get Beck either

Posted by: sux123 | August 31, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: tohara1
Why is the right allowed to own the "supporting the troops" shtick?
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They don't. It was a fund raiser for the children of soldiers.
Any on the left can do fundraisers for soldiers whenever they want. Many do, but the far left media does not like to cover anyone that votes Democrat doing good things for soldiers. If I did not read Hollywood and celebrity sites now and then I would not have known about them.
The radical far left media only wants America to see Democrats that love communism and hate soldiers. They have manipulated for a very long time now to get rid of every moderate Democrat.

Posted by: Elisa2 | August 31, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

What Beck's followers have in common is their resentment at the deaths of Norman Rockwell and Walt Disney. America is now mutli-cultural and multi-colored, and these people can't handle it.

Obama can't reach them because they'll never listen. What then is his obligation?

Posted by: nfnalrod | August 31, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

If you think the audience was only "50K who showed up to listen to the Beck rant instead of seeking employment" it's obvious that you didn't see the crowd or hear the message. Hundreds of thousands came to hear a very modest man urge them to honor our military men and women, and look to God for guidance while striving to restore honor (look it up) to our country. Not one hateful word was uttered.

Why do the most hateful, bitter people try to tear down anyone like Beck who expresses a decent thought about the public conduct?

Posted by: OldNavyMan | August 31, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Obama probably didn't mention honoring our troops because Beck barely pretended that's what his rally was about, and barely did it at the rally.

Posted by: JoeT1 | August 31, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

"Whatever you do, show that they, and their loathsome leader, can’t get your goat."
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Obama has failed to do this many times before. It makes him look petty & weak.

Posted by: HughJassPhD | August 31, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Obama's main worry after November will be planning for retirement!
He and a lot of politicians who do not get it period will be on the streets after November. These people just do not understand the overall mood of America.

Posted by: KBlit | August 31, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

The attendees at the Beck rally and Obama and his minions don't share a worldview. That's fine. The left doesn't need to "get" Beck or the millions of people he speaks to. We don't need your understanding. We just need to win. And we will.

Posted by: tuckershire | August 31, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse


You take Beck seriously on any level, Mr. Lane?

Then you just got played.

The man is a former morning zoo disc jockey with a nose candy habit. I'd say his career is taking exactly the path one would expect.

Beck has figured out how to make money from the misery of people who don't understand how we could possibly ever have a President like Obama. Black and Democratic all at the same time. These folks are hurting, Mr. Lane. They are making up fairy tales about the guvamint taking away their guns because ammunition has lead in it, which is bad for the environment. I have a hard time believing they are not "low information voters," which is polite-speak for fools, yay-hoos and losers.

Posted by: tony_in_Durham_NC | August 31, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Why couldn’t Obama at least find it within himself to say that he shared the rally’s ostensible goals of honoring the military, etc.?

Good question BUT not to the point!!

The purpose of the rally was what? Restoring honor? To what? Did Beck or Palin ever speak directly to the issue of "lost honor"? Who said that America does not honor its troops? Where was the purpose?

The purpose was to once again put Beck and Palin and company in the spot light. End of story. There was no other purpose - period. And anyone that claims differently is a stooge of the right.

Posted by: Freethotlib | August 31, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

You can tell when a lib is skeered when they turn the hate up.

Posted by: standard_guy | August 31, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Obama did make a pretty big fumble by attacking American citizens who do not agree with him. He tends to do this and is pretty soft skinned about it. He can dish it out but he doesn't take it very well. It is very unbecoming of a President to act in this manner but he has done so time and again.

I don't care for Beck and I think he is pretty far out there. But as POTUS you should reserve your comments and rise above it regardless of what you think. Both Beck and Obama have something in common though.. they are pretty self centered.

Posted by: tbastian | August 31, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

What's the point of this article? A little pandering to Beck?

IMO Obama was polite and professional commenting on Beck. I on the other hand would call him out- he's twisting religion for his own purposes and making money off millions of minions who buy his rants.

Radical offshoot of mainstream religious principles- hmm - where have we heard that before?

Posted by: dcperspective | August 31, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Lane,
You,too, are slowly getting the truth behind Obama - he simply does NOT comprehend NOT because he is intellectually incapable BUT because at the core of his being, he does NOT BELIEVE in America NOR respects our history or culture. We all know he is a citizen of this country and he is NOT a Muslim. However, why has he so failed miserably in communicating these basic fundamental facts to the growing number of Americans who believe he is NOT a Christian. I also believe that he is NOT a Christian. In fact, I have determined that he must be an atheist at best because this man is fundamentally incapable of believing in anything above himself and his being and his own greatness. Therefore, he can't give credit when due to the people who lined up in DC in the stifling heat to hear Beck and others rally about "RESTORING" the values that make our country great. IF Obama was not an egomaniac and an intellectual superior elitist, he would have taken the opportunity that Beck and his message provided that have struck a chord of unity among both Independents and Libertarians, the voting bloc that he desperately needs to win re-election. BUT, we all have sensed that this man can only see the FAULT and the BLAME that America should bear and continue to apologize for the errors of history. He fundamentally believes in his core that his duty as a president is to RE-DISTRIBUTE the powers of the country and to CHANGE the status quo of the representative government as dictated by the powers of the executive office and the judicial powers linked to that office. How else can you explain the following that so fundamentally conflicts and obstructs the FREEDOM and the Constitutional Rights of ALLL citizens (NOT INCLUDING ILLEGALS?):
1. the most recent State Dept. report to UN citing Arizona Law as an example of infringing on human rights issue? (notice NO OTHER MEDIA outlets covered this report other than FOX???) WHAT THE HELL is this president and his advisors thinking? They dare use a political issue of Federal law needing to supercede State Law so to gain further legitimacy in their lawsuit against their own citizen, they DARE to criticize and use its own citizens' right to protection against INABILITY and INCAPABILITY of the INS to do their job? Are you FKM???
2. U know what I think is a violation of human rights issue? That thousands and millions in the future will have carte-blanche to arrive here in US just to give citizenship for their children. If that is not a form of human-trafficking, I don't know what is. I CAN NOT understand nor comprehend the argument against birthright citizenship - it seems SO SIMPLE and SO LOGICAL- if you are NOT here legally or by following the rules of the law, then you can't gain the system by having a baby instantly declared a citizen simply by giving birth on US SOIL! That is a travesty and an infringement and manipulation of the basic tenet of the Constitution. Citizenship must be earned and NOT BOUGHT!

Posted by: american17 | August 31, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Beck, of course, is a buffoon charlatan selling gold bricks and Brooklyn Bridges to suckers.

The Tea Party folks he stirs so effectively are mostly white, so-called "Christian" fundamentalist who believe that all others will burn in torment, and who publicly deny it - but are still uneasy and resentful because a non-lily white is President!

They want a Jerry Fallwell/Pat Robertson type USA . . .

May God (or someone, something) save us from such ignoramuses and their dream of a churchstate!

Posted by: lufrank1 | August 31, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

The mistake is the "certain portion" comment.
It is best to leave snakes like Glenn Beck alone.
He thrives on hatred, and there is nothing that can be said that cannot be turned to his purpose.
It should suffice to simply say that he was exercising his constitutional right.
And perhaps to compliment the peaceful nature of the small gathering.

Posted by: bertram2 | August 31, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

The most hateful, divisive and spiteful rhetoric I hear, anymore, comes from the left.

What a loss of soul/heart these people have.

Posted by: r_leever | August 31, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

What the hell wrong with every other comment section in the Washington Post?


Beck now represent GOP evangelicals. Unbelievable. They'll gladly follow what has been considered a false prophet if it results in GOP electoral victories. They have no actual, genuine values. It's anything to win, anything to regain power.

Posted by: aartmann112004 | August 31, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Obama has probably not spent much time in segregated all white churches where people congratulate each other on how tolerant they are.

Of Beck's crowd of 90,000 church goers, there were maybe fewer then FIVE black people there.

His crowd comes from all white southern churches.

Posted by: BurfordHolly | August 31, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Thank you for considering this in a larger context. Would more of the MSM do exactly what you did, we'd have a more informed, articulate country.

Posted by: Gooddogs | August 31, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Wah-h-h-h...Wah-h-h-h...the President didn't give me any respect.

Wah-h-h-h...

Posted by: nadinem | August 31, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I think the President did okay. He might have clarified here and there, but he appeared to speak what he considered to be true, which is arguably better than words that don't match his manner or body language.

I had two distinct reactions to the Beck rally. The first was on Friday, when I ran past the Lincoln and they were playing phony patriotic music and had flags on the jumbo tron. I felt very out of place, even angry that the attendees considered themselves the bearers of "real" honor when so many of them likely have "unchristian" attitudes toward muslims, gays, and immigrants.

Saturday, I saw them all walking back from the rally in the heat and I was moved by their humanity. They are people and our fellow Americans and I felt proud for them that they had gotten to march about something they clearly hold dear. Rather than disparaging them, why not try to understand their pain?

Posted by: rosefarm1 | August 31, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Wait Wait Wait just a darn moment.
What in the world is wrong with you LEFTIES do you really reside here in America? Do you not see the federal government just continuing to expand and spend our hard earned dollars like drunken sailors? Do you really believe that it is OK, for people who do not work nor have any plans to start working collecting welfare but yet sell and push drugs have a cell phone drive a nice vehicle wear $1000’s of bling. And laugh all the way to the polling places knowing that if they can get their guy elected the Federal government will just give them more and more like free health care and homes. ARE THESE THNGS really OK with you? Do you not believe in America anymore? The country everyone around the world hopes they can make it to because they know this is truly the last bastion of freedom, a place where the sky is the limit. I know and frequently talk with many legal immigrants and they say this country is on the wrong track and are afraid that if we do not change soon it will be as bad as where they came from. NEXT. The only time I ever hear anything about racism comes from your lips not ours. I am so tired of being called racist I work with more Black and Latino Americans then I do with white. Yes I am white. As a matter of fact my office is located in a predominately black area just outside of DC. I only recognize one race and that is HUMAN! Is it wrong for me to want the government to stop the flow of illegal immigrants? These people cause nothing but a burden on our society that is why we have an immigration dept so they can make sure as an immigrant you will contribute to our society not just siphon from it! When your illegal you do not pay taxes but are afforded all of services those of us that do pay taxes. Please tell your radio show hosts to stop spewing such vulgar hatred and hype! This does nothing but drive a wedge between all of us. They always refer to all conservatives when they disagree with what one of them might have said. When I here our conservative radio hosts speak they focus on one person at time. They never just call all liberal progressives, liars, cheats and racist. We understand that you have just been misinformed. Why do you not question what is being told to you by the broadcast networks find out if what they are saying is true? I DO! I never believe anything astonishingly without doing my own research. Don’t just believe everything these people say. STOP BEING DRONES!!!!
One more thing for you LEFTIES to contemplate THE MOSQUE…Just because you have the right to do something does not mean it is right to do it!!!!! A mosque in the middle of downtown Manhattan “a business district”… how does that make sense???

Posted by: WWizzard | August 31, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

"I take Beck, Palin, and their followers seriously when they say they're sincerely troubled by the loss of “traditional” American values"
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Good for you. And somehow you think Obama does not? It's quite real to everyone. But as you go on to infer about their values, "as they imagine them," the truth is they cannot articulate those values themselves aside from they a "return to God," whatever that means.

The Founders went out of their way to avoid that and they want to "return" to God? Jefferson, Madison, Washington, and so many of the rest had a pretty dim view of religion and Christianity in particular. Especially as it relates to government.

These people like to castigate those who they see as not taking responsibility for themselves. So why can't they take responsibility for their own death panel mental outbursts? At some point you have to recognize, as Obama has, that there are a lot of frustrated people who lost an election at a point in time when the economy was tanking big time and there are all kinds of people who can easily manipulate them.

Posted by: tfspa | August 31, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Beck raised five million dollars last Saturday that is after all the bills were paid. To me that's a great thing. That will put a lot of kids through college. NO one here can say I may not agree with the leader but hey that's great. Why in the heck do you all have your panties in a wad, because it was peaceful, no fights well the one WAPO "tried" to get started but what else did these Americans do to YOU? I have a wonderful idea, you libs have the "Coffee party" lets see how much YOU can raise for the troops???

Posted by: independent114 | August 31, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Lane:

Based on your analysis, President Obama is not a Marxist or a socialist, but rather is a "historic materialist," because he thinks economics affects an individual's political thoughts and behaviors. Anyone who casually follows elections knows that economics affects people's thoughts and behavior. Your "historic materialist" label is absurd, and makes you sound like you're high as sh*t.

If you happen to have a moment of clarity over the next few months, perhaps analyze this instead: if the main tenant of Marxism is, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need," and President Obama's policies are based on this tenant (see Obamacare, financial regulation bill, Cap & Trade, i.e., redistribution of wealth amongst nations), why is it inconceivable that President Obama is a Marxist (at worst) or a socialist (at best)?

Andy

Posted by: Andy112 | August 31, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Oh, so now the President is supposed to "respect" these people? The ones who call him a Muslim with a forged birth certificate? Who say that his administration is a communist plot? Who wear their guns in public places as an open threat to resort to violent action? These 'godly' people are out for blood. They don't want Obama's respect. And all Beck wants is that redneck cash.

Posted by: gposner | August 31, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Beck raised five million dollars last Saturday that is after all the bills were paid. To me that's a great thing. That will put a lot of kids through college. NO one here can say I may not agree with the leader but hey that's great. Why in the heck do you all have your panties in a wad, because it was peaceful, no fights well the one WAPO "tried" to get started but what else did these Americans do to YOU? I have a wonderful idea, you libs have the "Coffee party" lets see how much YOU can raise for the troops???

Posted by: independent114
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DUDE what planet are you from..?

NOT one Dime will go to the Troops.

Unless one is running for a Republican Office.

ISA

Posted by: vettesport | August 31, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if any of the above critics who labeled Beck hateful even bothered to listen to what he actually said. It was straight from any pulpit in the world. He believes in God and like most religious people he believes that morality comes from that belief. As an atheist I dismiss God as a fantasy. But I acknowledge the fact that the vast majority on this globe is religious. So he is misguided but hardly hateful, a bigot or the like. In fact he said we have to stop hating one another. Again nothing but religious pap. America is filled with hateful intolerant people who deserve all the hate that can be focused on them. What's wrong with Beck is that he is too forgiving and filled with Christian love thy neighbor turn the other cheek mush.

Posted by: omoore1 | August 31, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Re: @BigBambu: "[...] most of these folks, in my view, are nothing but a bunch of "states-rights" proponents (they do not like black people or any people of color)."

What in the blue blazes is this supposed to mean? How does "states' rights" have any relation whatsoever to "they do not like black people"? This is inane. It's like if I wrote "They're a bunch of people who think the earth revolves around the sun (they do not like peas and carrots)"

First of all, the United States of America is a federal republic, set up by law (i.e. the Constitution, which was apparently taught on the day you missed back in grade school) to be a Nation made up of independent States, each of whom remained sovereign. The Federal government was granted enumerated powers (defense of the Nation, right to raise an army, right to raise taxes, support of interstate commerce). All other powers not enumerated remained within the sovereign States, each of whom has a Constitution and government of its own.

Those of us in favor of States' Rights (which should be all American citizens, since it's Constitutional law) simply wish to point out and defend the sovereign status of the States. Sometimes (e.g. health care bill, the consequences of poor border defense) we believe that the Federal government oversteps its Constitutional powers. When that happens, we raise our hands and say "HEY, you're outside of your jurisdiction!"

How that has anything to do with race or skin color is beyond my comprehension.

Posted by: ThisIsJohnGaltSpeaking | August 31, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if any of the above critics who labeled Beck hateful even bothered to listen to what he actually said. It was straight from any pulpit in the world. He believes in God and like most religious people he believes that morality comes from that belief. As an atheist I dismiss God as a fantasy. But I acknowledge the fact that the vast majority on this globe is religious. So he is misguided but hardly hateful, a bigot or the like. In fact he said we have to stop hating one another. Again nothing but religious pap. America is filled with hateful intolerant people who deserve all the hate that can be focused on them. What's wrong with Beck is that he is too forgiving and filled with Christian love thy neighbor turn the other cheek mush.

Posted by: omoore1 | August 31, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

You should have stopped after you noted that the Beckies did not, and will never, vote for Obama. It is true the Bible tells us to love our enemies but that is a bar few humans ever pass. These people not only didn't vote for for Obama, they have a visceral hatred for him. His base does not want him kissing up to them. Thank God he didn't.

Posted by: cdierd1944 | August 31, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

The Five Pillars of the Liberal Faith:
1. Hysteria
2. Denial of Reality
3. Thought Control
4. Name Calling
5. Projection of Guilt

It seems like Mr. Beck's speech has elicited a lot of #1, 2, and 4's - which is to be expected. Unfortunately, it doesn't really make for a good discussion. It would be nice if the oh-so-wise sages of the Liberal faith could get off their faces and stop kissing the feet of the Obamasiah for just 5 min so that we could have an intelligent conversation. Until that happens, I'm afraid we'll be getting a lot of the above listed.

Posted by: djs7566 | August 31, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if any of the above critics who labeled Beck hateful even bothered to listen to what he actually said.

Posted by: omoore1
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For 5 minutes before I walked away.

You must a blind advocate to stay for the whole rant just like Adolph Hitlers followers.

He called you the
"Minds of the Willing"

otherwise known as being suckered.
or
in today's terms
Drinking the Koolaide

ISA

Posted by: vettesport | August 31, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Another unforced error by Obma? No surprise there as there seems to be a new one each week. The man is truly disconnected from the American mainstream. His report to the UN Human Rights Commission is a masterpiece of liberal guilt apologia mixed with Arizona bashing and self congratulatory boasting about how the country was awash in problems before he arrived and how much better he is making it. God help us.

Posted by: jkk1943 | August 31, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

But, Obama is the hateful crack pot who is leading the Democratic Party.

Posted by: mike85 | August 31, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

"The most hateful, divisive and spiteful rhetoric I hear, anymore, comes from the left.

What a loss of soul/heart these people have."


Really? Hateful, divisive and spiteful? Sounds like the GOP for the last 10 years. Ever hear of Karl Rove? How about the culture war? I myself have been repeatedly called a terrorist sympathizer by Republican degenerates because I oppose torture in all forms. That used to be US tradition, Christian values and a position of honor.

You people have changed that 180 degrees. How many suspects packed in ice does it take to open your eyes?

What kind of soul does the GOP (or you) have anyway?

Posted by: aartmann112004 | August 31, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes anaylsis goes too far. Sometimes you have to say we have ripped this subject to shreds, and we can't get anymore out of it.

My Dad would say ( and I'll clean this up a tad ),"Lane, my boy, you are picking the pepper out of fly excrement."

Posted by: poppysue85 | August 31, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

...because nobody "gets" Beck. Look at the interviews from the people who attended. No one can give you a cogent answer to explain what the rally was about.

Beck is a huckster, but we've had plenty of those before. The only question is how and when his spectacular flameout arrives.

Posted by: hoos3014 | August 31, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

The GOP is a sickness, a cancer on the US. You're nothing but torture loving degenerate closet perverts.

Posted by: aartmann112004 | August 31, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure what there is for the president to "get" about the Beck rally. As soon as someone can demonstrate how prayer can land a job, I'm all ears. Until then, I'd prefer Obama keep focused on the economy and do just what he did - dismiss it.

Posted by: MidwaySailor76 | August 31, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

First of all, even the title "Restoring Honor" is kind of an insult. Who says honor has been lost or needs to be restored? If it is about honoring troops, it seems to me everybody goes around honoring the troops every day, even at every ballgame, every church service, EVERYTHING. The idea that somehow there are people going around dishonoring the troops is complete BS and the idea that Obama is dishonoring them is an insult.

As far as "getting" Beck - OK I don't really get him either. I don't hate the man. But he seems kind of excitable and incoherent a lot of the time.

As for what Obama said, I think it was about right. This was a rally that was "against" the current status quo. And as such, it makes sense that it would happen in such hard economic times. That makes total sense to me and I don't see it as a diss to anyone, Beck included.

Posted by: catherine3 | August 31, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

There is a very big difference between supporting the troops and being willing to use our troops. They are too often confused as the same thing.

Posted by: yinyang2 | August 31, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

What nonsense. Anger is not a political solution, and while I can understand and sympathize with any fellow American who's angry about the mess we're in, I'd expect a little more coolness of thought about how we're going to get out of it. That's a cost of citizenship, if you will, and none of the rest of us are obligated to treat intemperate rants and bizarre resentments as an equivalent.

The vast majority of Tea Baggers pine for an America that never was - uncomplicated, with clearly discernible social hierarchies, where those who weren't native born were deferential to those who were, where recently arrivals were expected to leave their cultural inheritance behind at the ports of arrival. Well, that's not our world, and arguing against it is as useful as King Canute holding back the waves.

Change is frightening, particularly at a time of such economic instability and international volatility. It's not an excuse for abandoning rationality. As for Beck, no sense piling on. Years from now historians will marvel at the strange manias that swept over America in the early 21st Century, and the scoundrels who received their 15 minutes of fame.

Posted by: zoot1 | August 31, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

It's truly amazing that pundits like Lane and others parse every single word that President Obama says, looking for something to criticize. We have not looked with such intensity at any other President. The poor man can hardly get a break from either side. Let's look at what this man has accomplished so far- health care reform, financial reform, saving our economy from totally crashing ( and then taking nothing but criticism for it) moving towards allowing openly gay people to serve in the military ( though not fast enough for some), reforming Education through the Race to the Top ( little press for this), overturning the ban on federal funds for stem cell research( now put on hold by a judge), credit card reform, and others which I know I have forgotten. He hasn't sold these well nor have his compatriots in the Democratic Party. They have let the right define these accomplishments. Shame on them all and the press as well. Obama did not get us into all of these messes and he is trying valiantly to get us out. Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, John Boehner and many others are trying their very best to trash the man and take him down. It is very unsettling and we had better take a good hard look at what is happening before we end up in worse shape than we are now.

Posted by: aggie2 | August 31, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Lane wrote: Why couldn’t Obama at least find it within himself to say that he shared the rally’s ostensible goals of honoring the military, etc.?
----------------
Because everyone who did not attend the rally(including the President AND members of our military)knew that honoring the military was not the real reason for the rally.

Posted by: OHREALLYNOW | August 31, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I HAVE TRAVELED THIS COUNTRY RECENTLY.

FROM MAINE TO CALIFORNIA.

AND MY CONCLUSIONS ARE THIS.

IN EVERY LARGE CITY THE PEOPLE WERE

VERY CARING AND EDUCATED.

THEY SINCERELY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT

OUR COUNTRY.

BUT IN THE RURAL AREAS ESPECIALLY IN

THE REPUBLICAN STATES, MIDWEST AND SOUTH,

IT WAS IF THIS COUNTRY HAD GONE BACK TO

THE CIVIL WAR.

THE PEOPLE IN THE REPUBLICAN STATES ARE

VERY RUDE, THEY TALK OF SECESSION, THEY

ARE SIMPLY RACIST, BIGOTED PIGS.

THEY ACT AND TALK LIKE THE CONFEDERATES

OF THE CIVIL WAR ERA.

THEY HATE PRESIDENT LINCOLN AND PRESIDENT

OBAMA.

THEY JUST LOVE GW BUSH AND THINK THAT HE

DID THE BEST JOB OF ANY PRESIDENT IN

HISTORY.

IT WAS UNBELIEVEABLE TO WITNESS SUCH

CRUDE AND HATEFUL PEOPLE EVER.

WELL I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND A VISIT EVER

TO ANYONE IN A REPUBLICAN DOMINATED STATE.

NOW I KNOW WHY PRESIDENT ABRAHAM LINCOLN

SLAUGHTERED THE CONFEDERATES.

THEY MUST HAVE ACTED LIKE THE REPUBLICAN

TEA PARTY OF TODAY.

Posted by: ausarep | August 31, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

CRY BABY CRY. ALL OF YOU DEM LIBERALS ARE SHOWING THEIR HELPLESSNESS BY ATTACKING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF GOOD AMERICAN CITIZENS. SOME OF THE WRITERS TRY TO RIDICULE THE EVENT BY DISTORTING THE NUMBER OF PERSONS IN ATTENDANCE. IT WAS BIG MAN AND YOU JUST HAVE TO SUCK IT UP. THE NEGATIVE COMMENTS ALSO SHOW THAT YOU REALLY BELIEVE THERE IS NOTHNG POSITIVE YOU CAN SAY ABOUT OBUMA AND WHAT HE IS DOING TO THIS COUNTRY.
SOMEONE ONCE CALLED OBUM A "BREATH OF FRESH AIR." HE IS MORE LIKE THE AROMA THAT IS PREVALENT WHEN YOU PASS THE NEW JERSEY MEADOWS. NOT ONLY HIM, BUT ALL OF THE PERSONS HE HAS SURROUNDED HIMSELF WITH.
WITH REGARD TO THE COMMENT THAT THERE WERE NOT EVEN 5 BLACK PERSONS IN ATTENDANCE, THERE WERE MORE THAN THAT IN JUST THE GROUP OF CLERGYMEN FROM ALL FAITHS ON THE STAGE.
IT IS LIKE THE OLD POKER AXIOM. WINNERS TELL JOKES AND LOSERS HOLLER DEAL. THE LOSERS ARE THOSE WHO PLACED THEIR BET ON OBUM AND HAVE LIVED TO SEE THEIR BET GO IN THE TANK.
SO CRY BABY CRY.

Posted by: MALBENNET | August 31, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

"...they're sincerely troubled by the loss of “traditional” American values -- as they imagine them, to be sure -- and seek some kind of “restoration” of spiritual and cultural greatness."
*****************************************
Blah, blah, blah. "as they imagine them, to be sure..." In other words, complete B.S. Were these same people troubled by our invasion of a nation that we justified by a trumped up cover story about non-existent WMDs? Were they troubled by our use of secret prisons? Maybe they were troubled by Abu Grab and the news that we were torturing people? No? Were they troubled by anything in our past, such as Jim Crows laws or the internment of Japanese Americans. Did anything bother these people prior to the election of an African American President? Of course not. Before that, everything was cool. These people who are now, oh-so-troubled, that they have to attend a rally organized by a former radio disk jockey and recovering alcoholic charletain, are frauds, and are as transparent as a pane of glass.

Posted by: sonny2 | August 31, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I like the way you start off with a vicious and hateful dismissal of Mr. Beck and then counter point with a deep understanding of “those poor misguided fools” all right there in the first sentence. Your superior disdain shown towards those people who gathered there is, I’m sure, very satisfying. The President can’t acknowledge the Glen Beck Rally. If he did he would give the impression of giving in and acknowledging them. He’d then be pressured to move more towards the center as a follow up, and we know he would never do that. He knows that the rally is an indicator of the mood of ‘the other half of the country’ but he still regards them as, according to his infamous stereotype, bitter people, clinging to their guns(2nd Amenders), religion(homophobic), having antipathy(Racist) towards people who aren’t like them (Xenophobic) or anti-trade(Union) sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations. The problem is that stereotype doesn’t apply to those people. He will never be able to understand them any better than you.

Posted by: amiman1 | August 31, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Give the President a break Mr. Lane he understands that Glenn Beck is a con artist but as President he realizes that it would be unwise to say it.

Posted by: Hawkestreet1 | August 31, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I HAVE TRAVELED THIS COUNTRY RECENTLY.

FROM MAINE TO CALIFORNIA.

AND MY CONCLUSIONS ARE THIS.

IN EVERY LARGE CITY THE PEOPLE WERE

VERY CARING AND EDUCATED.

THEY SINCERELY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT

OUR COUNTRY.

BUT IN THE RURAL AREAS ESPECIALLY IN

THE REPUBLICAN STATES, MIDWEST AND SOUTH,

IT WAS IF THIS COUNTRY HAD GONE BACK TO

THE CIVIL WAR.

THE PEOPLE IN THE REPUBLICAN STATES ARE

VERY RUDE, THEY TALK OF SECESSION, THEY

ARE SIMPLY RACIST, BIGOTED PIGS.

THEY ACT AND TALK LIKE THE CONFEDERATES

OF THE CIVIL WAR ERA.

THEY HATE PRESIDENT LINCOLN AND PRESIDENT

OBAMA.

THEY JUST LOVE GW BUSH AND THINK THAT HE

DID THE BEST JOB OF ANY PRESIDENT IN

HISTORY.

IT WAS UNBELIEVEABLE TO WITNESS SUCH

CRUDE AND HATEFUL PEOPLE EVER.

WELL I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND A VISIT EVER

TO ANYONE IN A REPUBLICAN DOMINATED STATE.

NOW I KNOW WHY PRESIDENT ABRAHAM LINCOLN

SLAUGHTERED THE CONFEDERATES.

THEY MUST HAVE ACTED LIKE THE REPUBLICAN

TEA PARTY OF TODAY.

Posted by: ausarep | August 31, 2010 3:51 PM

______________________________________

AMEN BROTHER!

Posted by: dc1020008 | August 31, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I want to simply re-post part of @Andy112's post, because it's perfectly and succinctly said (other than the use of "tenant" instead of "tenet").

"[I]f the main [tenet] of Marxism is, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need," and President Obama's policies are based on this [tenet] (see Obamacare, financial regulation bill, Cap & Trade, i.e., redistribution of wealth amongst nations), why is it inconceivable that President Obama is a Marxist (at worst) or a socialist (at best)?"

Why indeed is it inconceivable? Although it is rationally undebatable, I'm sure some will debate this anyway (which is, of course, the hallmark of liberal thinking going back hundreds of years: irrational or illogical thought on rational and logical topics).

In practice (but not in promotion), Obama is classically socialist. His administration's primary platform has been the re-distribution of wealth, the usurpation of the "means of production" from the "bourgeois" (e.g. the takeover of financial firms, the takeover and recapitalization of General Motors, where legitimate shareholders and bondholders [bourgeois] were liquidated to zero while the unions [proletariat] retained pensions and retirement benefits), the attempt to socialize health care, and the unyielding attacks, both in terms of regulation and in propaganda, on banks, bankers, and capitalists.

It's a classic socialist platform, and yet there will many of you who will say it is not. I'm 49 years old and I've spent about 40 of those years trying to figure out how certain types of people can see facts in front of them and simply decide to ignore them, while other people make rational and logical assessments and decisions. I didn't know it until later in life, but it's just that there are two different kinds of thinkers: those who observe, judge facts, and rationally decide (the thinkers), and those who observe, judge FEELINGS, and irrationally decide (the feelers). Thinkers say "The Constitution says this, and that's that.". Feelers say "I don't care what the Constitution says, I feel like somebody might be getting ahead and we should take what he earns and give it to the people who are falling behind because that FEELS good."

In any case, we have a sitting president who has demonstrated in his rhetoric, his support of certain bills, and his international persona -- 100% of his term so far -- that he wants to have federal government take over means of production, and redistribute wealth in a manner of "from each according to his abilities to each according to his need". That is the textbook definition of "socialism" and cannot be debated.

It's what we must DO about it that needs to be debated.

Posted by: ThisIsJohnGaltSpeaking | August 31, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Obama was quite clear in what he said about the gathering on the mall you just didn't like it. Those 300,000-500,000 people were American citizens and he hates them. Why because they are middle America. I don't care about him only that he gets out of this country as fast as possible. I have voted democrat most of my life and I have seen all kinds of liberal, moderate and conservative types. He is a Marxist pure and simple. "give according to your ability, receive according to your needs".

Of course as Marxism was misapplied by Lenin so the elites could be above it all so it is for Obama.

2010 will slow him down and he will be out by 2012 if not impeached sooner. And just think I was a union organizer many years ago. I served my country and fought for the betterment of the working guy. Obama is as anti-American as there is.

Posted by: tk1123 | August 31, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Dude are you serious. This commentary makes no sense. What point of his really are you criticizing? That he said there's some anxiety. That's not offensive.

Posted by: echenna | August 31, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Lane, please. THe only reason Beck's rally focused on religion and honoring the troops was that if the rally was political in nature, they couldn't write off the expenditures. In late Spring, Beck was telling his lemmings that the rally would be to announce his 100 year plan for America. Now Beck says that it took him several months to figure out how to have a non-political rally. What he found out several months ago is that he couldn't get the donations, write off the rally expenses, etc. if he kept it political. You can be sure that honoring the troops was not his true concern.

Posted by: ben16 | August 31, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

R E P U B L I C A N S

THE D I A R R H E A

OF SOCIETY

THEY LOVE THE SMELL AND THE TASTE

OF D I A R R H E A

Posted by: ausarep | August 31, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse


Frankly, I don't give a ___ whether Obama gets Beck.


But I do get that Lane, and the rest of the
Israel firster neocons at the Post want Obama gone because
he won't give the vile Israelis everything they want...which is now (money money money) AND BOMBING IRAN.
and all the Settlements they can steal, all the Palestinians they can kill.

My God, will we survive these people? THe rest of the worl stopped them in history, threw them in history.
Americans are apparently too stupid.

Posted by: whistling | August 31, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Not one of them were troubled during the Bush debacle. In Iraq's missing WMDs, the unfunded Medicare expansion, the unfunded no child left behind, the unfunded 2 wars... not one peep out of them all, until Obama set the stage on fire...

Posted by: AverageJane | August 31, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Lane is correct that Barack Obama attended the Nation of Islam (Louis Farrakhan) Million Man March, but what he didn't mention was how the hate group watchdog center, SPLC, describes the Nation of Islam:

Ideology: Black Separatist

Since its founding in 1930, the Nation of Islam (NOI) has grown into one of the wealthiest and best-known organizations in black America, offering numerous programs and events designed to uplift African Americans. Nonetheless, it's bizarre theology of innate black superiority over whites - a belief system vehemently and consistently rejected by mainstream Muslims - and the deeply racist, anti-Semitic and homophobic rhetoric of its leaders, including top minister Louis Farrakhan, have earned the NOI a prominent position in the ranks of organized hate.

In 2007 Obama's long time 'mentor' and spiritual advisor, Rev. Wright, presented Louis Farrakhan with the Lifetime Achievement Trumpeteer Award.

Posted by: fury60 | August 31, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

The real Obama is so dumb that he can't even tie his own shoes.


Posted by: Jerzy | August 31, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I sure hope the President doesn't spend his days trying to "get Glenn Beck", he has his hands full trying to get Bin Ladin.

Posted by: AverageJane | August 31, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse


A "certain culture?"

A certain financial system not operating in ethical ways?

Read neocons. Read Lane. Read Israel firsters.Read zionists.

If we want to recover now or in the future we'd better READ MORE.
And not bomb Iran.
And ditch the pariah, vile apartheid nation of Israel. Lane's only interst. (he's part of the zionist wAPO.

Posted by: whistling | August 31, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

LET US CELEBRATE THE 3RD ANNIVERSARY

AUGUST 2007


REPUBLICAN SENATOR LARRY CRAIG

OF IDUHO.

WAS CAUGHT.

IN A PUBLIC RESTROOM, TRYING TO

STICK HIS DICK IN A COPS BUTT.

YES, REPUBLICAN SENATOR LARRY CRAIG

OF IDUHO, WAS CAUGHT IN A PUBLIC RESTROOM

TRYING TO STICK HIS DICK IN A COPS BUTT.

WE ARE SAD TO SAY THAT THE COP ARRESTED HIM

AND HE WAS CONVICTED.

THIS LAW SHOULD CHANGE.

REPUBLICANS WANT A LAW THAT ALLOWS

CORN HOLEING IN PUBLIC RESTROOMS.

WE KNOW THAT DEMOCRATS DONT WANT THIS.

BUT REPUBLICAN SENATOR LARRY CRAIG OF

IDUHO, AND ALL HIS SUPPORTERS WANT THIS.

THEY LET HIM STAY IN OFFICE AS A SENATOR

BECAUSE THEY AGREE WITH PUBLIC CORN HOLEING

R E P U B L I C A N S

THEY LOVE TO

CORN HOLE

FUDGE PACK

LIE, STEAL

MURDER

WELL ISNT THAT SPECIAL....

Posted by: ausarep | August 31, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Glenn Beck Christians smear Obama at every turn, calling his Christianity "a perversion of the gospel" and judge, condemn and stereotype all Muslims, Mexicans, liberal citizens and "non-believers" as terrorists.

What else, Mr. Krauthammer Wannabe, is there for Obama to get - one positive idea, maybe?

Posted by: areyousaying | August 31, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

I sure in the heck hope that President Obama doesn't spend his day trying to "get Glenn Beck", he already has his hands full trying to get Bin Ladin.

Posted by: AverageJane | August 31, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I'll be the first to admit that I don't get Glenn Beck. But what's to get? Glenn Beck has stated his views passionately and clearly. Glenn Beck is that person you agree to disagree with because you know that engaging in a political discussion with him will only lead to an argument.

Posted by: damascuspride04 | August 31, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Wow, what a horribly written, elitist, backhand sack of garbage! And full of scornful misinformation, such as the relative size of the MM March compared to the Beck rally, that "none" of them voted for Obama, and on and on. You don't "get" the rally either, do you Mr. Lane?

Posted by: Greenwaver | August 31, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse


Lane flops and dithers about how he'd feel if labeled such and such by a president.

DON'T WORRY AT ALL, LANE.

Nobody thinks, give your columns, each and every one of your coumns until you started this garage trying to 'REDO' YOUR STUFF..

that you're anything but a Netanyahu patsy, a zionist first last and always...using America as you can...

Change your Israeli stripes as you can...if you can...but don't suppose anyone but the stupid Beck people don't see you.

How about a story on the flotilla...the ones WaPo is censuring

Posted by: whistling | August 31, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Come on, not even Sarah and Glen believe the premise for that joke that happened over the weekend.

They're both in it for the money plain and simple. Maybe the cretins who attended aren't smart enough to see the Beck and Palin work for the biggest news company in the US owned by the one of the richest men (who is Australian) in the country and all of them are in it to avoid paying taxes.

I don't believe that Beck was there to honor our military and in any case the idea that the likes of Beck/Palin and the Tea Party OWN the U.S. and it's theirs to take back is incredibly arrogant at best.

To the jerk who is suggesting that Obama be impeached I'd like to know on what grounds given that Bush was allowed to lie and started a war based on those lies. A war that facilitated the tanking of our economy, the weakening of our defenses, put our resources someplace else when we needed them in New Orleans.

If anything we should be prosecuting the entire Bush regime for what the wrought on this country and none of it was for our good.

Just in case you've forgotten history the way the right-wing is and was under Bush more NAZI than anything else. Taking away our freedoms, illegal wire tapping, ignoring our military except for political purposes.

Get real, the basis for the hate against Obama is nothing more than thinly veiled racism.

Don't be so sure that Obama will lose in 2012 though the Conservatives have never stopped campaigning. That's all Conservatives are good at well that and saying NO and refusing to do anything to help our own citizens.

Posted by: davidbronx | August 31, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

R E P U B L I C A N S

THEY LOVE D I A R R H E A

BECAUSE THEY LOVE THE SMELL AND THE TASTE

Posted by: ausarep | August 31, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse


Lane flops and dithers about how he'd feel if labeled such and such by a president.

DON'T WORRY AT ALL, LANE.

Nobody thinks, give your columns, each and every one of your coumns until you started this garage trying to 'REDO' YOUR STUFF..

that you're anything but a Netanyahu patsy, a zionist first last and always...using America as you can...

Change your Israeli stripes as you can...if you can...but don't suppose anyone but the stupid Beck people don't see you.

How about a story on the flotilla...the ones WaPo is censoring

Posted by: whistling | August 31, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

"You can tell when a lib is skeered when they turn the hate up.

Posted by: standard_guy | August 31, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse "

You can tell when a Right Winger is a clueless wimp, because they whine and cry instead of fighting back.

Posted by: jakemehoffer | August 31, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I don’t care for Beck all that much, but reading some of the liberals comments amuse me. Let’s see Beck, is a false prophet, hangs around all white churches, does nose candy, thrives on hate, etc…etc…, same old from the left. They are good a calling as they see it huh. Well what do you think Obama is, a snake oil salesman, a false prophet, hung around black churches (Rev Wright, preaching hate), hung around with terrorist (Bill Aires), and admitted to doing nose candy himself. You lefties are pretty tolerant people huh. Easy to point the fingers at others but can’t see the truth of your own great Obama. He preached transparency, yeah that sure is going on, preached less spending; 1.3 trillion dollars later, no earmarks, how did that go for you. Yeah, lefties just can’t see through the smoke either. Another one about the founders just not that into Christianity, well read the Constitution, they weren’t too fond of the government running your life either, but it’s happening, forcing us to buy health care, taxing us to death, trying to tell us what we can eat and drink, telling us to spread the wealth to lazy people who don’t want to work, be penalized for working hard, opening a business, running a corporation, hiring people to work, and getting an education so you can give it to someone else etc… etc…! Yeah everybody hates those immigrants that are here illegally. You know those stupid laws we have that only certain people have to follow. Hey, I wonder how many of you lefties would call the police if a homeless person broke into your house, took your credit card to pay for their medical bills, and lived in your garage. Would you be just as tolerant as you are with illegal immigrants? No I don’t think so. You go lefties and keep that so called tolerance you have, the hate for others ideas but your own, so you can feel like you’re a great person because you really care. If you really care mark that box on your W-4 form that asked to give more money to the government, let’s say about 50% of your earnings, or better yet, go to a poor neighborhood and give half your check to that family that can’t pay their medical bill, mortgage payment, and rent. I doubt I’ll see you there! I’d go on, but I really don’t think you would understand.

Posted by: lordrazor1 | August 31, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

I don’t care for Beck all that much, but reading some of the liberals comments amuse me. Let’s see Beck, is a false prophet, hangs around all white churches, does nose candy, thrives on hate, etc…etc…, same old from the left. They are good a calling as they see it huh. Well what do you think Obama is, a snake oil salesman, a false prophet, hung around black churches (Rev Wright, preaching hate), hung around with terrorist (Bill Aires), and admitted to doing nose candy himself. You lefties are pretty tolerant people huh. Easy to point the fingers at others but can’t see the truth of your own great Obama. He preached transparency, yeah that sure is going on, preached less spending; 1.3 trillion dollars later, no earmarks, how did that go for you. Yeah, lefties just can’t see through the smoke either. Another one about the founders just not that into Christianity, well read the Constitution, they weren’t too fond of the government running your life either, but it’s happening, forcing us to buy health care, taxing us to death, trying to tell us what we can eat and drink, telling us to spread the wealth to lazy people who don’t want to work, be penalized for working hard, opening a business, running a corporation, hiring people to work, and getting an education so you can give it to someone else etc… etc…! Yeah everybody hates those immigrants that are here illegally. You know those stupid laws we have that only certain people have to follow. Hey, I wonder how many of you lefties would call the police if a homeless person broke into your house, took your credit card to pay for their medical bills, and lived in your garage. Would you be just as tolerant as you are with illegal immigrants? No I don’t think so. You go lefties and keep that so called tolerance you have, the hate for others ideas but your own, so you can feel like you’re a great person because you really care. If you really care mark that box on your W-4 form that asked to give more money to the government, let’s say about 50% of your earnings, or better yet, go to a poor neighborhood and give half your check to that family that can’t pay their medical bill, mortgage payment, and rent. I doubt I’ll see you there! I’d go on, but I really don’t think you would understand.

Posted by: lordrazor1 | August 31, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

I don’t care for Beck all that much, but reading some of the liberals comments amuse me. Let’s see Beck, is a false prophet, hangs around all white churches, does nose candy, thrives on hate, etc…etc…, same old from the left. They are good a calling as they see it huh. Well what do you think Obama is, a snake oil salesman, a false prophet, hung around black churches (Rev Wright, preaching hate), hung around with terrorist (Bill Aires), and admitted to doing nose candy himself. You lefties are pretty tolerant people huh. Easy to point the fingers at others but can’t see the truth of your own great Obama. He preached transparency, yeah that sure is going on, preached less spending; 1.3 trillion dollars later, no earmarks, how did that go for you. Yeah, lefties just can’t see through the smoke either. Another one about the founders just not that into Christianity, well read the Constitution, they weren’t too fond of the government running your life either, but it’s happening, forcing us to buy health care, taxing us to death, trying to tell us what we can eat and drink, telling us to spread the wealth to lazy people who don’t want to work, be penalized for working hard, opening a business, running a corporation, hiring people to work, and getting an education so you can give it to someone else etc… etc…! Yeah everybody hates those immigrants that are here illegally. You know those stupid laws we have that only certain people have to follow. Hey, I wonder how many of you lefties would call the police if a homeless person broke into your house, took your credit card to pay for their medical bills, and lived in your garage. Would you be just as tolerant as you are with illegal immigrants? No I don’t think so. You go lefties and keep that so called tolerance you have, the hate for others ideas but your own, so you can feel like you’re a great person because you really care. If you really care mark that box on your W-4 form that asked to give more money to the government, let’s say about 50% of your earnings, or better yet, go to a poor neighborhood and give half your check to that family that can’t pay their medical bill, mortgage payment, and rent. I doubt I’ll see you there! I’d go on, but I really don’t think you would understand.

Posted by: lordrazor1 | August 31, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Dear dcperspective, your clarity is refreshing and insightful. I have a copy of your comment. You should use fewer words when writing here as most of those who visit here cannot stand reading that. Try to distill your thoughts to the quickest, shortest and accurate sentences or you’ll lose em.

Posted by: amiman1 | August 31, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Hey Lordrazor, we lefties may be blah blah blah but at least we know how to post without spamming the submit button in a panic. Learn to internet, moron.

Posted by: jakemehoffer | August 31, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

President Obama is a well-educated intelligent man; of course he doesn't "get" Glenn Beck other than that along with the rest of us who are intellegent and well-educated we know that he is out to make a lot of money off of the gullible along with his friend Palen. The irony is that funadamentalists Christian have a very discriminatory view of Mormons and they are so enamored of Beck they give him a pass.

Posted by: withersb | August 31, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I WAS JUST TALKING WITH A PERSON WHO

TRAVELED THE ENTIRE COUNTRY.

AND THEY SAID THAT IN THE REPUBLICAN

STATES IT WAS SO DISGUSTING.

WELL BESIDES THE OVERWELMING HATE FOR OBAMA

THE CRIME RATE IS VERY HIGH.

AND THE ONLY BUSINESSES THAT ARE THRIVING

IN THE REPUBLICAN STATES ARE TAVERNS

AND V D CLINICS.

YES IN THE REPUBLICAN STATES THEY LOVE TO

GET DRUNK AND SCREW AND GET V D.

WELL ACCORDING TO A PROMINENT HISTORIAN

THE REPUBLICANS ARE THE FIRST TO SPREAD V D

I WOULD NOT DOUBT IT FOR A MOMENT.

REPUBLICANS

ALL YOU GET FROM THEM IS

MURDER

STEALING

LYING

CORN HOLEING

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ALCOHOLICS

FUDGE PACKERS

CIRCLE JERKERS

AND DIARRHEA

Posted by: ausarep | August 31, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

What is there to get? Beck is obviously the Anti Christ and his followers will know that soon. He is like Hitler and Mussolini. Both of those men ended badly and so will Beck. Hate is his message. Listen to him rant on tv. His message to his adoring troops was cleaned up for public consumption but if you listen to him daily you hear a later day Joe McCarthy that is aided by Fox News Corp

Posted by: patisok | August 31, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

NO president of the United States should ever be required to sink to the level of Glen Beck or any other of the Republican/extremist attack dogs in and our of government. Obama is President of the entire United States and he is doing his best to act that way and communicate to all citizens. The Republican presidents of the recent past have behaved as if they acted only for the Republicans in the country. Hence, their current prolonged temper tantrum and unwillingness to cooperate in any way. If they cant have a Republican country they don't want any part of any other.

Posted by: 85edwardearthlinknet | August 31, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Dear dcperspective, your clarity is refreshing and insightful. I have a copy of your comment. You should use fewer words when writing here as most of those who visit here cannot stand reading that. Try to distill your thoughts to the quickest, shortest and accurate sentences or you’ll lose em.

Posted by: amiman1 | August 31, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

You know, I'm sick of you spineless WaPo reporters, making every single excuse for Right-wing lunatics, yet one Dem makes a tiny peep, and you want to frog-march them out of Washington for it.

You know, the President said it exactly RIGHT! When some lunatic, who cries all day on tv, calls YOU racist (and to white people, the first sign you know nothing about racism and aren't a serious thinking person is when you cry racism on a black person, just saying), then I don't think you need to know anything more about that person except they are a nutcase. And so the President was going off that knowledge, and he's absolutely right to say what he did. The conditions in the country CAUSES people to follow a lunatic windbag. And if it was me, I'd have been much LESS gracious then the President was, so stuff it Lane!

Posted by: sachancp | August 31, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I like the way you start off with a vicious and hateful dismissal of Mr. Beck and then counter point with a deep understanding of “those poor misguided fools” all right there in the first sentence. Your superior disdain shown towards those people who gathered there is, I’m sure, very satisfying. The President can’t acknowledge the Glen Beck Rally. If he did he would give the impression of giving in and acknowledging them. He’d then be pressured to move more towards the center as a follow up, and we know he would never do that. He knows that the rally is an indicator of the mood of ‘the other half of the country’ but he still regards them as, according to his infamous stereotype, bitter people, clinging to their guns(2nd Amenders), religion(homophobic), having antipathy(Racist) towards people who aren’t like them (Xenophobic) or anti-trade(Union) sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations. The problem is that stereotype doesn’t apply to those people. He will never be able to understand them any better than you.

Posted by: amiman1 | August 31, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if the "historical materialists" who manage hedge funds and run Wall Street agree that economic trends are the main determinants of political thought and behavior? Their thoughts, behavior and campaign contributions seem to have changed since the Democrats started talking about making them pay income taxes at the same rate as their secretaries, chauffeurs, nannies and butlers.

Posted by: ejs2 | August 31, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

maybe it's not the president of the united states of america's interest to get the money grubbing hukster.
the president does not have to get the rabble rouser who calls the president a racist who hates white people, who questions his birth,and last but certainly not least his religion.
i get beck and you too lane, impotent white men who see their grasp on power eroding.

Posted by: ninnafaye | August 31, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

WELL LETS SEE WHATS NEW IN THE NEWS.

ITS THE 3RD ANNIVERSARY OF

REPUBLICAN SENATOR LARRY CRAIG OF IDUHO.

3 YEARS AGO

HE WAS CAUGHT IN A PUBLIC RESTROOM

TRYING TO S T I C K HIS D I C K

IN A C O P S B U T T

A REAL REPUBLICAN SPORT.

AND THEPEOPLE OF IDUHO SAID HE COULD STAY

IN OFFICE AS THEIR US SENATOR.

MAKES SENSE.

R E P U B L I C A N S

THEY LOVE TO


CORN HOLE

FUDGE PACK

CIRCLE JERK

LIE

STEAL

MURDER

GET V D

AND THEY LOVE THE SMELL AND TASTE OF

D I A R R H E A

Posted by: ausarep | August 31, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

"Community Activist" -in-Chief Obama doth protest to much, me thinks...

Posted by: cwejohnson | August 31, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Nobody with an IQ over 50 gets Glen Beck. We do, however, understand what he is: a sideshow, a clown act, a gypsy huckster.

But sadly many Americans can't find our very own country on a map, so Beck clearly has a huge potential audience. I fear demoagogues like Beck and Palin are the future of our country and we'll only have ourselves to blame.

On a side note, I should go on the road myself and start bashing Obama and insulting minorities. I'd make a fortune. If a circus act like Beck can fleece the Righty base, then so can I.

Posted by: jakemehoffer | August 31, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

"Why is the right allowed to own the "supporting the troops" shtick?"


Perhaps because to the right it is not a shtick.

Posted by: fishcrow | August 31, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Of it's true that "things like bad credit-card regulation and low college graduation rates don't lead mechanically to irrational populist resentment" on their own. But when you try to fix these things and irresponsible hacks like Beck label it Marxism, a government takeover, and a power grab then that lead to resentment.

Posted by: thor2 | August 31, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

"Community Activist" -in-Chief Obama doth protest to much, me thinks...

Posted by: cwejohnson | August 31, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I've read every article I could find on line about the Beck rally and I've yet to see what kind of specifics Beck and the speakers mean when they talk about RESTORING America. There are parts of our past that many of us would never want restored. Which aspects of our past would you keep and which would you disavow? I've also gleaned from the articles that came for several months before the rally, then days before the rally, then after the rally, that Beck's purpose and goals for the rally changed. That's OK, but to call it non-political, yet have political motives expressed when it was first proclaimed doesn't jibe. And to have a blatantly political speaker, such as Palin, and then claim it isn't political, doesn't give a clear message, except that actions speak louder than words. I'd really like to know who paid for the unemployed people to show up there; that isn't a cheap trip. Who was funding all of this? Lastly, how is it that someone who uses such a rally to proclaim a religious message can't seem to also proclaim that which is the center of the Christian faith that seems to be drawing the evangelical leaders to (perhaps) support Beck?

Posted by: LoieJ | August 31, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

It's very easy to "get" Glenn 'Bunco Boy' Beck.

All one has to do is spend two minutes listening to the short-fingered vulgarian spieling for his fellow hucksters at Goldline.

If you "put your faith" in God, "I ask you to look at gold" ~ 'Bunco Boy' Beck.

Listen to the charlatan's pitch to the goobers here:

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201008250017

In just two minutes you'll understand the true moral depravity of this lowlife bottom-feeder.

BTW, the company he represents (and publicly defends) is currently under investigation in California and South Carolina for defrauding consumers.


Posted by: WhateverHeSaid | August 31, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Guilt by association...
illegal ... alien ...
Extremist Muslim Terrorists ...
RECORD UNEMPLOYMENT...
recovery? what recovery?
you can't buy a recovery
with the future taxed earnings
of workers
who have no jobs..
barrack hussein obama
GO HOME TO JAKARTA'
and take Glen Beck with you...

Posted by: simonsays1 | August 31, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I want to try this Beck act out. Bear with me here real quick...

~~~Obama is a Muslim (wink wink) and he wants to give our country to socialists!!11! He loves Medicare!!11! He loves Social(ist) Security!!!11 He went to a funny church and I don't recognize his faith (even though I believe that Jesus was an astronaut from the planet Klaxton)!!111 Let's take our country back!!111

November!111eleventy1111!111~~~

How was that? Righties, send your check or money orders directly to my bank account.

Thanks!

Posted by: jakemehoffer | August 31, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I like the way you start off with a vicious and hateful dismissal of Mr. Beck and then counter point with a deep understanding of “those poor misguided fools” all right there in the first sentence. Your superior disdain shown towards those people who gathered there is, I’m sure, very satisfying. The President can’t acknowledge the Glen Beck Rally. If he did he would give the impression of giving in and acknowledging them. He’d then be pressured to move more towards the center as a follow up, and we know he would never do that. He knows that the rally is an indicator of the mood of ‘the other half of the country’ but he still regards them as, according to his infamous stereotype, bitter people, clinging to their guns(2nd Amenders), religion(homophobic), having antipathy(Racist) towards people who aren’t like them (Xenophobic) or anti-trade(Union) sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations. The problem is that stereotype doesn’t apply to those people. He will never be able to understand them any better than you.

Posted by: amiman1 | August 31, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

The only thing keeping Obama from executing more radical plans for reordering the country and "spreadin' the wealth around" --- a true Socialist/Marxist agenda --- is the 60 vote rule in the Senate.

Only that convinces lefty pundits that he is a "pragmatist."

Posted by: Curmudgeon10 | August 31, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Ah the lunacy of the left. It does make for a good daily chuckle. I can't wait until November when I can open a cold one and enjoy watching the left come even more unhinged as they are washed out to the sea of failed ideas where their ideolgy belongs.

Posted by: restonhoops | August 31, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, what the heck are you saying Mr. Lane? The President needed to be nice to those people? Based on what you claim he said in his answer sounds like he was nice. And let's go a line from your article:

"I take Beck, Palin, and their followers seriously when they say they're sincerely troubled by the loss of “traditional” American values -- as they imagine them, to be sure -- and seek some kind of “restoration” of spiritual and cultural greatness."

Which traditional American values are we talking about Mr. Lane? "Restoring Honor"? "Take back our Country"? We'll how far back do we want to go to get this traditional American values? Back to the '90s, '80s, '70s, 60's, '50s or better yet, back to the early 1800's, when blacks were slaves and there was no way in the world a black person be sitting in the White House as President of the United States!

Posted by: whatup65 | August 31, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

This removes all doubt that conservative 'Christians' hate blacks more than they do Mormons. I never thought I would see the same 'Christians' who deride Mormonism as a cult embracing a converted Mormon as their leader and spokesman.

I guess skin color trumps God's word.

Posted by: jakemehoffer | August 31, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Obama is not a Marxist or a socialist? Ha! Obama is a combination of all three. Obama is part socialist, Marxist, and communist. The people Obama associated with in his past gave Obama the ideology we see today. That's why none of his leftist policies work. Leftist ideology in history known as socialism, Marxism, and communism, didn't work in the history of the world and it won't work now because it's Obama. Sooner or later it's going to sink in America and Americans are the problem with Obama. Obama has no problem with immigrants or the Muslims who want to build the mosque near Ground Zero. Their the one's who get civil rights and protection from the Constitution. When it comes to the American people Obama bypasses the Constitution every chance he gets and no said a word about our civil rights when Obama forced all Americans into his health care. Obama brushed off Beck's rally because it's American's coming together honoring our troops and Dr. King. Had it been a rally honoring Stalin or Lenin, Obama would have invited Hugo Chavez and Castro as his special guest. That's who Obama is. Learn to live with it.

Posted by: houstonian | August 31, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

So basically Lane is saying that our president is not a hate filled crackpot, as his association with Farrakhan would indicate. Now he is trying to back off disrespecting hundreds of thousands of people that previously had been labeled as hate filled racists and homophobes. It just Beck that remains a hate filled racist and homophobe.

Posted by: thelaw1 | August 31, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

"The only thing keeping Obama from executing more radical plans for reordering the country and "spreadin' the wealth around" --- a true Socialist/Marxist agenda --- is the 60 vote rule in the Senate.

Only that convinces lefty pundits that he is a "pragmatist."

Posted by: Curmudgeon10 | August 31, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse "

Just like you did in 2008, right? I would've thought you'd learned your lesson then, but I guess sooner or later you're just hoping to get lucky. God knows you're due.

Posted by: jakemehoffer | August 31, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

The majority of Americans do not believe anything BHO says. So it doesn't matter what he gets or doesn't get -- he is irrelevant at this point.

Posted by: BadNews | August 31, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

You can tell when a poster is aged 60+ when they start railing about marxism and that sort of nonsense. Well, aged 60+ or with an IQ under 50. Either/or.

Posted by: jakemehoffer | August 31, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Lane, this had nothing to do about the troops. If Beck wanted to honor them, why didn't he bother holding the rally on Memorial Day?

And I am still waiting for Beck to tell me what honor I am missing, or what has been taken away, and mostly I am waiting for him to tell me why I should listen to one thing that comes out of the mouth of this hypocritical holier than thou non-Christian (Morman), multiple marriage, multi decade drug addict, school dropout, who actually cries like a petulant child on TV and has ADHD. There is nothing he can teach me that I can't learn from a barking dog.

Posted by: Nosh1 | August 31, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

"The majority of Americans do not believe anything BHO says. So it doesn't matter what he gets or doesn't get -- he is irrelevant at this point.

Posted by: BadNews | August 31, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse "

Even your beloved Rasmussen shows that 48% of Americans approve of Obama (up from last week). After nearly two years of frothy-mouthed screaming, you can't even get half of America on your side. How does that feel?

Posted by: jakemehoffer | August 31, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

President Obama may or may not get Glenn Beck ...
... but David and Charles Koch certainly do.

That's why the billionaire brothers have become Beck's sugar daddies.

Posted by: HughBriss | August 31, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that so few GOP leaders have graduated college?

Posted by: jakemehoffer | August 31, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Ah, ausarep - the classic Marxist propaganda machine. Spewing out nonsensical insults while hitting "enter" after every 2-3 words, trying to take up as much space on this forum as possible. It makes me wonder what I would find behind the caps-locked keyboard...could it be the classic dignified woman of Hispanic origin who fights against the Capitalist oppressors in the struggle for the working class? It seems unlikely, considering the ridiculously crude language - even by Liberal standards.

No, it's most likely a male of Arabic ethnicity living in a big city on the Eastern Seaboard. English is not his first language (judging by the lack of punctuation and heavy sentence fragmentation), but he still knows enough English to get around on his favorite porn sites. He probably immigrated from Iran or Pakistan as a college student, because even the worst of the failed students of our public education system know how to spell "Idaho" correctly. When he came to America shortly before the last presidential election, he searched for a train of political thought closest to his own. Being an immigrant, he was hypnotized by the Marxist drones in his local ACORN chapter whom he heard chanting "Obama...Obama...all hail the Obamasiah" when he came in on a Tuesday afternoon looking for help starting his own prostitution ring. Ever since this life-changing event, he has been a vigilant warrior for the rights of the working class, fighting against Capitalist oppression, and for the liberation of his brothers from American imperialism. Yes, a classic Marxist pawn indeed.

Posted by: djs7566 | August 31, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Obama doesn't get Glen Beck because they are both extremists in the most opposite corners of the political theater. They both think theirs is the correct corner, so the other guy must be a loony. Unfortunately, both of them are loonies and we middle class working folks are temporarily screwed.

Posted by: GordonShumway | August 31, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama is not a Marxist or a socialist? Ha! Obama is a combination of all three.

Posted by: houstonian |
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SO are you and the whole Tea Party and Republican Unions.

The problem your party has is speaking for itself and what your platform is all about.

You sound like Beck.
All talk
and
do not understand the words you say.

BUT then again you suck on Koolaide.


ISA

Posted by: vettesport | August 31, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

It's ok that Obama doesn't "get" Glenn Beck. The majority of America doesn't "get" Obama either. And he doesn't care.

Posted by: fritz101 | August 31, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

If you ever see Obama showing any qualities of a leader, it will be the first time. This man is classless, refuses to take responsibility for anything and is constantly trying to divide this country through playing the race card, class warfare or anything else to pit Americans against each other. Now, he is reporting the US to the UN for human rights violations. The likes of China, Cuba, Libya, Russia, and Saudi Arabia, will have a right to pass judgment over the US. It's disgraceful and even liberals should be outraged.

Posted by: Tostitos | August 31, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Where did WAPO find this guy?

No, how about Beck find it within himself to say that he shared the president's ostensible goals and views to help turn the economy around.

But, oh no, first Beck assault's the president by calling him a racist and then again when he attacks his faith.

Lang you are nothing but a two bit news journolist and not very good at it. Not at all. Get a clue or grow up.

Posted by: lcarter0311 | August 31, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Beck may be a snake-oil salesman but he is an educated snake oil salesman. People seem to forget that he has a high school education.

Posted by: rjma1 | August 31, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

"Portion of the country" really does not equate to "subculture." That reflects your own bias and inference that you project on to Obama.

Posted by: jcindy | August 31, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

"Beck raised five million dollars last Saturday that is after all the bills were paid. To me that's a great thing. That will put a lot of kids through college"

Except that the money will not be used for putting kids through college.

Other than, you may be right

Posted by: HumanSimpleton | August 31, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I try to be understanding when I read the comments on Washington Post - I know this is a left-leaning site. That said, it seems the majority of commentators on this article think that if you are a conservative Christian you are a prejudice moron with an inability to see the big picture. I assure you, as a conservative Christian, I am none of those things.

Glenn Beck had a large turn-out because so many of us feel the need to pray together for our troops, for each other and for our country. Our prayers include liberals who don't see things as we do and are offered up for each other regardless of race, economic conditions, political orientation, or religious belief. You don't need to put us down or be scared of us. We are no threat. We believe we must each live according to our own moral compass and we aren't stupid enough to believe that everyone's moral compass is the same.
No matter what you say to me, I'll pray for you.

Posted by: cothink2 | August 31, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I assume that Beck-Palin feel threatened by change THEY DON"T UNDERSTAND. They do not attempt to comphrehend WHY AMERICA MUST CHANGE. Beck-Palin have proposed "restoring america's greatness." But they don't have a workable plan, just a bunch of slogans. It is easy for Beck-Palin to channel anger, but can they honestly provide workable plans?

Some say religion is the opiate of the masses; and emotional appeals from Beck-Palin are similiar "blind faith" ideals. But again it is easy for Beck-Palin to say "trust me" when they don't take any responsibility for their proposals. Beck himself as said "he is not running for office." So what is he running for?

Perhaps he is running for the bank, skipping and laughing with his big pile of cash. So why should Beck be given respect for his ideas? Do polls show support for Wall Street's greed? Are Beck's motives for greed much different, more noble?

Posted by: rmorris391 | August 31, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

tahara1 wrote: "then how come they don't have rallies against the unconstitutional Arizona immigration law "

xxxxxxxxx


Duh! Maybe because the law is not unconstitutional.

Posted by: groovercg | August 31, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

"I take Beck, Palin, and their followers seriously when they say they're sincerely troubled by the loss of “traditional” American values"
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Good for you. And somehow you think Obama does not? It's quite real to everyone. But as you go on to infer about their values, "as they imagine them," the truth is they cannot articulate those values themselves aside from they a "return to God," whatever that means.
Posted by: tfspa
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I think there are two quite different sets of national values. One is the set of values defined by the constitution and the other is the set of values defined by national culture. But in America, the culture is a bit chaotic, there have been so many immigrants and so much cultural change that many Americans tend to think of their constitution as their core value.

This is not the case with other nations. In many other nations, the country is far older than their current government or constitution. For instance, Greece, the land of Plato and Homer, is hardly going to DEFINE itself in terms of its constitution, which dates, at best, to 1975.

So Greeks have an identity which is distinct from their constitution. The same for India, China, Iran, Germany.

America has the problem of not having an identity distinct from its legal system, so it ends up as a country ruled by lawyers.

I doubt that there is any other nation on this planet which would go into so much agnoy over the placing of the mosque. In another country, the mosque would just be asked to move, no discussion, no fighting, end of story.

Posted by: rohit57 | August 31, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

"No matter what you say to me, I'll pray for you."

How does it feel to sell out your faith and follow a lying false prophet?

Posted by: aartmann112004 | August 31, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

I want to repeat my theme to check out the facts for yourself. Glen Beck is one of the worst offenders. He rates as a “pants on fire” liar. He speaks half-truths, false innuendos, and uses phrases of his opponent’s speeches out of context to mislead people. He gets paid to use events such as the Rally to make his followers feel good about him and the Party. The Rally was financed by Big Money and his lead speaker, was paid $14,000. I don’t know how much Glen got. To find truth, type “fact check” in your search window. It is easy and you will be surprised. You will find several websites. I like politifact dot com and factcheck dot org. They criticize both parties and print exactly what was said by each. You can even subscribe (its free) to a weekly summary of what falsehoods were found in political ads and speeches and you can unsubscribe whenever you want. Factcheck dot org is non-profit. I believe Snopes is for profit, and I believe politifact dot com is owned by the Times.

Posted by: ThelmaMcCoy | August 31, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

This article makes little to no sense at all.

Beck proved that he is strange, and the people that follow his lead are even stranger. They are an angry segment of society that are not sure where they fit in, plus they are prejudiced.

If you were to take Becks speech and insert "Allah" in place of "God", you pretty much get a looney tune theocrat on par with looney tune theocrats found in middle eastern countries, like Iran.

I for one am glad that Beck made a fool of himself in front of the nation. It just goes to prove the point that the guy is at the end of his rope, what's he going to do next, interpret the Rosetta Stone and move his masses to Utah?

Posted by: burlydave | August 31, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

I have a brain, I think most of the time and I don't get Beck at all. I however am less restrained in my opinion of this lout but I am not the President. My opinion would only be heard by a few - his opinion would be heard around the world and in minutes the tea party and their supporters would be demanding his impeachment. There is no way the President can win - they are trying to provoke a reaction, he's smarter and that just ticks them off.

Posted by: Lemon7221 | August 31, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

A lot of us get Glenn Beck and we don't like what we see. An ex drug addicted DJ who has an insatiable need to be in the news. A man who has figured out a way to make a LOT of money. A flim flam man. A snake oil salesman.
I'm convinced that Beck has a severe mental illness and needs serious help.
DJ, tv, now a preacher. Delusional.

Posted by: bozhogg | August 31, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Beck is not a Christian. He is a Mormon. There is a difference.

Posted by: groovercg | August 31, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

It isn't just that the law is sacred in America. The law is the ONLY thing which is sacred. This fact, at one time, made America more flexible, for there was not so much cultural baggage blocking everything.

But now, the obsession with the law has made America INflexible.

Everyone knows that it would be wiser to move the mosque and Muslims would still have a place to pray and a place to swim.

But because of our obsession with the law, we cannot do the sensible thing.

Posted by: rohit57 | August 31, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

President Obama doesn't get Beck because Beck is a narcissistic megalomaniac (redundant I know) who cynically stokes and feeds off humanity's worst impulses. I don't get Beck either and I pray I never do.

Posted by: Observer001 | August 31, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Lane, I clicked on the link allegedly showing that Obama attended the million man march. I'm old and don't see so well anymore, but the linked article doesn't say that. And Obama's comments did not downgrade any "subculture". That was your words. Bottom Line: We're all tired of Beck's lies and the right-wing medias intellectual dishonesty. You are destroying this country.

Posted by: BBear1 | August 31, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

The writer assume that just because obama advocates vociferously for "fundamental change" of this country, he is capable of fundamental change himself. He is not and he cannot. A scorpion stings reflexively; it is in his nature. No amount of nurture or sweet-talk will change its natural inclination, and so it is with obama.

It is clear by now that obama has wounds that won't heal. He is embittered at America while he also reckons himself messianic, heroic -- and yes, grand as the symbolic Greek columns [styrofoam] of his Democratic acceptance speech.

IOW, obama - ** wounded narcissist by natural inclination, ** socialist by ideological choice (isn't his socialism more about the ideology's diametrical opposition and antagonism to the very grain of his first and foremost nemesis, America???). Thus he takes constant umbrage at criticism. He will remain defensive in perpetuity and will perpetually attack his perceived nemesis just as a scorpion would.

There is no hope of change for obama. It is his nature and his legacy and America's only salvation is to liberate the country OF HIM.

Posted by: pouran-doukht | August 31, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Mr Obama said he didn't watch the rally. If he didn't watch the rally, how the heck is he supposed to respond to it in any way? And why should he have to give any positive feedback to a man who has set it as his goal to destroy this presidency?

Posted by: wendystevens | August 31, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Just about all of the facts that Beck gives he backs up with actual footage of what he is talking about. Obama expects you to believe him without any kind of proof, you are to believe him because he is the best teleprompter reader in the world and the fact he won the election! It takes more to be President than reading a teleprompter. Remember you are President of all of the people, not just the ones who agree with you. November is coming. I am sure you don't really care, probably just take another Vacation at our expense.

Posted by: sambird | August 31, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

@artmann

I just prayed for you. Did it hurt? You probably didn't even know it, but I did it anyway. That is a condition of MY faith, not Glenn Beck's. I don't "follow" Glenn Beck - I follow the Lord. I am only guessing, but I bet most of the people at the rally aren't Mormons - just like minded people congregating together for a little prayer and some fund raising for a worth-while cause. Don't be bitter. We love you too.

Posted by: cothink2 | August 31, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

@artmann

I just prayed for you. Did it hurt? You probably didn't even know it, but I did it anyway. That is a condition of MY faith, not Glenn Beck's. I don't "follow" Glenn Beck - I follow the Lord. I am only guessing, but I bet most of the people at the rally aren't Mormons - just like minded people congregating together for a little prayer and some fund raising for a worth-while cause. Don't be bitter. We love you too.

Posted by: cothink2 | August 31, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

After reading some of the comments, there is no doubt that many on left don't understand Glen Beck and Teapartiers simply out of disdain or laziness. It's sad because the left of my youth convinced me to enter political discourse with an open mind and a willingness to learn. Now that the left has the levers of power, their words resemble a ruse.

Agree or disagree with someone, but respect and listen to them. It makes politics more civil and we just might learn a little something new.

Posted by: longbow1 | August 31, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

The American people are looking for a leader who not only recognizes the problems the country is faced with but also a leader who can motivate big business to take care of America first rather than watch fortune 500 executives pocketing all the cash they can and utilizing off shore firms to accomplish corporate profit goals. Glen Beck was correct in honoring our military but he also should have addressed the very real economic challenges we are faced with and targeted the failings of Big Business across the board as the prime problem in our continuing economic meltdown for the last decade.

Posted by: joe100821 | August 31, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

By acknowledging Beck, Obama would look weak against a man whose mission is to discredit him. The words Beck spoke at the rally are quite different from what you hear daily on his show. Maybe Obama should acknowledge Sponge Bob, he has higher ratings than any FOXNEWS program, or Lyndon La Rouche on the other side of radical thought. The crowd was about 100,000 given instructions to get there the long way to avoid riding on a black train. Beck, most of FOXNEWS and the GOP are liars and prey on people's prejudice. Their current hero Christie of NJ knowingly issued a false statement on losing the 5 points that cost his state 400 million for education. His commissioner phoned him, e-mailed and sent a written memo about the lie before Christie went public anyway, and they say Obama is arrogant.

Posted by: jameschirico | August 31, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that the most stupid comments are either ALL CAPS or posted numerous times?

Well learned from the GOP and FOX NEWS.

Holler out your lies very loudly and repeat often.......,you will find enough stupid morons to believe your cow dung.

Posted by: mackiejw | August 31, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

What Right Wingers fail to understand is that even if they gain two seats in the House, Obama has put into place protections for the middle class that will never be repealed. T otheir great chagrin, the Right Wing quest to eliminate the middle class entirely is doomed to failure.

Posted by: jakemehoffer | August 31, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

I assume that Beck-Palin feel threatened by change THEY DON"T UNDERSTAND. They do not attempt to comphrehend WHY AMERICA MUST CHANGE. Beck-Palin have proposed "restoring america's greatness." But they don't have a workable plan, just a bunch of slogans. It is easy for Beck-Palin to channel anger, but can they honestly provide workable plans?
Posted by: rmorris391
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Actually Beck and Palin did not come across as angry at all. You must not have watched the rally, or perhaps YOU are angry and are projecting your anger onto these two.

To come to my main point. Most countries in the world have a constitution and also a separate identity. For instance the Greek constitution goes back to 1975. But Greece, the land of Homer and Plato is around 3,000 years old.

So the question of "Is it legal?" and "Is it Greek?" are distinct. Ditto for other countries.

And this is important when you are amending the constitution. The amendment is according to national values, and it cannot be according to the constitution for the obvious reason that it is the constitution itself which is being amended.

America has the problem that it has NO national identity apart from its constitution. Is abortion American? Are gay rights American? These questions are answered in terms of the constitution and not in terms of some ground which is deeper than the constitution. And so when the Supreme Court effectively amends the constitution by issuing a ruling, there is no way to speak against it. Since the SC decided it, it is constitutional, and since it is constitutional, it is American.

This may be why religion is more important than in Europe. For Christianity HAS played the role of a ground which is independent of the constitution.

But Christianity plays this role less and less as we insist more and more on the separation of church and state.

So Americans are left sort of adrift. They do not know how to deal with a hard question except by asking a lawyer. And this is why, an issue like the mosque, which could be settled in another country in a day, hangs on and on in America.

In America the final judgment is, it is not wise but it is legal so it must be done. In another country it might be, it is legal but it is not wise so it won't be done.

For instance when Salman Rushdie's Satanic Verses came out, they were regarded as blasphemous by many Muslims. India SIMPLY banned the book. They did not want to deal with a 100 million angry Muslims.

In many countries, the law is seen as a TOOL to achieve wellbeing of the society. So what is good CAN take priority over the law. But in the US, the letter of the law takes priority over what is wise.

Posted by: rohit57 | August 31, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

When someone proves they are unstable, then they have a 'good day', you don't stop watching out for their next mood swing.

Beck is a huckster, he'll say anything to anyone for attention.

We're all waiting to find out if a Mormon is religious enough to suit the religious right, and if the teabaggers get permission from all their members to do away with social security.

I think its two trains rushing down two mountains from opposite directions on the same track.

I'm stocking up on popcorn.

Those debates this fall ought to be worth
watching.

Posted by: dutchess2 | August 31, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Where were all the WaPo articles lamenting the fact that George Bush didn't "get" me? I certainly wanted my country back every second that turkey was in office which is why I pulled the "D" lever.

Posted by: SarahBB | August 31, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Why couldn’t Obama at least find it within himself to say that he shared the rally’s ostensible goals of honoring the military, etc.?

Good question BUT not to the point!!

The purpose of the rally was what? Restoring honor? To what? Did Beck or Palin ever speak directly to the issue of "lost honor"? Who said that America does not honor its troops? Where was the purpose?

The purpose was to once again put Beck and Palin and company in the spot light. End of story. There was no other purpose - period. And anyone that claims differently is a stooge of the right.

Posted by: Freethotlib
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Barrack and Michelle have done more for our troops in 2 years than Dubya in 8. Actions speak much louder than words, veterans health care, support for families, pay, have all been increased by the president as well as ending stop loss this year. More troops are not more targets and Obama has outfitted the military for war without spending a dime more, given his commanders the troop levels they requested opposed to the shortchanged Franks and McKiernan.

Posted by: jameschirico | August 31, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Obama is President of the United States of America. Beck is one of FOX media's squawking heads. Obama doesn't need to "get Beck".

Posted by: whocares666 | August 31, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

"You can tell when a lib is skeered when they turn the hate up.
Posted by: standard_guy | August 31, 2010 3:10 PM"

You can always tell when a talibagger conserv is speaking but they start with hate and end with rhetoric.

To whoever called GB a moderate man go to rehab and kick the drugs.

GB says we need to get back to our roots! Like in movie Roots... where GB is allowed to own slaves and beat a woman. His message isnt that of our founding fathers its that of the KKK. He claims to be a christian but fails to follow threw on its most fundamental rule. Love everyone like your brother. Not just fellow christians or american citizens... EVERYONE!



Posted by: dionysus_anew@yahoo.com | August 31, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Memo to american17: Try reading the Constitution, the judiciary is as separate from the executive as the congress. Ever read the 10th amendment, the 14th? You live in a nation of laws yet know very little about it.

Posted by: jameschirico | August 31, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Only racist idiots get Glenn Beck ! The paramount rule of communication is that a speaker should communicate on the level of his audience. Beck is highly effective communicator because he spoke to a crowd of racist idiots at his rally ! Only they get his B.S. !

Posted by: ellislawoffice | August 31, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

"Obama doesn't get Glen Beck". Lol.

Obama doesn't get anyone but Obama.
This is the most narcissistic, partisan, polarizing president in some time.
How can he get Glen Beck, or hear any of the protests against his policies, when he's too busy staring in the mirror.

Posted by: BruceMcDougall | August 31, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

"These people not only didn't vote for for Obama, they have a visceral hatred for him."

Quite unlike the visceral hate the left had and still has for Pres. Bush. I swear there are lefties/Democrats who, when they wake in the morning, say "Hate Bush" when their eyes open, say "Hate Bush" in between every breath all day long, and when they close their eyes at night, "Hate Bush" is the last sound to pass their lips. And yet they feign offense when righties say they really dislike Obama. The left needs to learn to spell "hypocrisy" too.

Posted by: srpinpgh | August 31, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

"most of them despise you, none of them voted for you and none of them ever would vote for you."

I agree that this is an accurate discription of these Beckerheads and it's a mystery to me why you think he should say one word of support or understanding.

Anything beyond, "F--- those Beckerheads." is pure generosity of spirit.

Posted by: Petronius_Jones | August 31, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

It's Glenn Beck, it doesn't matter what message he was trying to preach, people that have watched him in action know that their is an alterior motive behind his actions. Probably money, a new dig on the president, and in his crazy world that people would remember this event past the end of the week, besides him of course.

Posted by: whatdyousay | August 31, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

groovercg writes:

"Beck is not a Christian. He is a Mormon. There's a difference."

You, are an idiot.
Mormons are Christians fool. Sure hope that doesn't get in the way of you twisting the truth.

Posted by: BruceMcDougall | August 31, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: tohara1
Why is the right allowed to own the "supporting the troops" shtick?
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They don't. It was a fund raiser for the children of soldiers.
Any on the left can do fundraisers for soldiers whenever they want. Many do, but the far left media does not like to cover anyone that votes Democrat doing good things for soldiers. If I did not read Hollywood and celebrity sites now and then I would not have known about them.
The radical far left media only wants America to see Democrats that love communism and hate soldiers. They have manipulated for a very long time now to get rid of every moderate Democrat.

Posted by: Elisa2 | August 31, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

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Like all Talibaggers who follow the clown Beck, you don't know what you are talking about. Our wonderful Black President has done more for our miliitary than the GOP or Bush have ever done. He gave them a big fat raise just recently, upgraded all their services, greatly improved their health care, especially for PTSD and has been championing their cause since taking office. You on the other hand, just spread crap you know nothing about. You are too radical rightwinging too even open that small mind you carry about on your shoulders. You can call you fellow citizens communists becaused it is one more thing you know nothing about and all it does is raise your image of being uneducated. What you should be doing instead of spewing the lies and garbage you Talibaggers puke daily, is get an education about national political systems. If fools like you ever lived under a socialist or communist government, you wouldn't last a day. You sound like a third grader who repeats like a parrot, a very poorly informed parrot. Grow up and fill you brain with knowledge and not propaganda. Fritz

Posted by: papafritz571 | August 31, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm certain this will enflame many liberals, but Glenn Beck appears to be emulating Obama's success. A relative nobody who wrote books about himself and succeeds by crafting a message that sounds good ("Hope", "Honor") that is hard to argue with, but lacking in specifics so that the followers are able to project whatever they want to believe onto the laticework of words. Neither Obama, while running for office, nor Beck ever try too hard to flesh out the specifics, because specifics will drive away some portion of the following. They are very similar.

Posted by: gardedgarton | August 31, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Just about all of the facts that Beck gives he backs up with actual footage of what he is talking about. Obama expects you to believe him without any kind of proof, you are to believe him because he is the best teleprompter reader in the world and the fact he won the election! It takes more to be President than reading a teleprompter. Remember you are President of all of the people, not just the ones who agree with you. November is coming. I am sure you don't really care, probably just take another Vacation at our expense.
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Social programs make you Stalin (footage of Stalin), health care makes you Hitler (same), Rockefeller Center built as a grand socialist conspiracy, "Do you support terror Rep. Ellison", a 6 restaurant owner that never hired an illegal, S-corp owners paying the highest tax rates, Obama has a deep seated hatred of white people, throwing people under the rails LOL, Obama is taking away your gun, he is weak on terror (stronger than Dubya), Obama wants America to fail are some of his rants that fooled a rube like you. In case you don't know without a plantiff the Black Panthers can't be prosecuted. Care to post some of the facts, I just did?

Posted by: jameschirico | August 31, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

" You, are an idiot.
Mormons are Christians fool. Sure hope that doesn't get in the way of you twisting the truth."

Posted by: BruceMcDougall

xxxxxxxxxxxxxk

Obviously, you don't know Mormon doctrine. It is not Christian. I won't re-invent the wheel, but you can research it yourself.

Posted by: groovercg | August 31, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Who cares if President Obama "gets" Glenn Beck? he's a scam artist pushing fear and overpriced gold coins onto the right wing idiots.

Goldline International is under investigation by the Santa Monica City Attorney’s office, jointly with the Los Angeles County District Attorney’s office, as well as being the subject of a separate investigation by Congress into the possible criminal practices. The firm has been the subject of an ABC Nightline News Exposé, as well as an investigation by NY Congressman Weiner).

Goldline is using the hyperbolic -- and at times fear-inducing -- speech of right wing nutjobs like Beck to encourage customers to buy the precious metal at highly-inflated prices.

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/07/glenn-beck-goldline/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/19/anthony-weiner-glenn-beck_n_581563.html

http://mediamatters.org/research/200912020029

http://www.classactionattorneysblog.com/2010/07/goldline_scam_glenn_becks_favo.html


Instead of listening to deranged egonmaniacs preach BS to teabaggers, participate in a march that says….

We all deserve a just and fair chance to achieve the American Dream. Our national identity is rooted in the ideal that all people – regardless of race, class, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, heritage or ability – should have the opportunity to fulfill their potential.

One Nation Working Together will chart a bold, pragmatic path toward a more unified, sustainable, prosperous future by building support for these core principles and policy ideals.
The major goals: Jobs, Public Education, and Equality for All.

http://onenationworkingtogether.org/

October 2, 2010

Posted by: losthorizon10 | August 31, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

The reason should be fairly obvious: Obama, and the vast majority of the rest of us, don't care to participate in Beck's psychosis.

Posted by: Byrd3 | August 31, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Yesterday I watched two video clips. One was of the aftermath of the obama inauguration in DC and the other was of the aftermath of the "Restoring Honor" rally. The difference between those two images makes an apt metaphor for the discourse on display here between the left and the right!!!

As a new conservative I admit I was perplexed by Glen Beck's title "Restoring Honor" for the rally, but a look here at the unhinged, foul, stomach-churning, and yes, scared, comments from the leftists, and it all makes sense. Glen Beck is prescient!

Posted by: pouran-doukht | August 31, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

No one, least of all the President of the US, has to "get" anything about Glenn Beck except he is a slick huckster who, like Sarah Palin, is following the demogogue dollars.

Neither he nor Palin have an authentic or honest bone in their bodies. They are self-serving, self-adoring narcissisicts, out to separate their naive followers from their money and to develop a cult following.

Posted by: ecassel1 | August 31, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Omigod. Beck's Big Rally didn't last even one news cycle. The stone sank to the bottom and scarcely a ripple went out. What to do? What to do? The Tee Vee audience came out, and the main reaction now is relief they've all gone back to their sofas.

Posted by: fzdybel | August 31, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Mr Lane: My father once told me that in order to get respect you had to give respect. Certainly, Mr Beck and his Tea Drinking followers have not given Barrack Obama (to say nothing of the Democratic process) a molecule of respect since he was elected President. From casting wild accusations of his legtimacy for election as a non-American born in Indonesia to the latest hog wash being thrown out by Beck and company that Obama is not a " Real" Christian.

Look, everyone knows that the politics of the GOP and the Right were throughly discredited following the 2008 election and they had nothing to offer the public except negativity and reactionary bomb throwing, however the depth to which their leadership and their media mouthpieces have gone to throw a monkey wrench in to the smooth operation of government (at such a critical period in our history) is reprehensible at best and clearly does not promot the Democratic process.
So please save your crocidille tears and request for "Understanding" for your crackpots or Tea pots for your next appearence on Fox News-And please say hello to Glenn and the Pirate crew for us here in middle America (Because it is obvious they no nothing about the chaos they are causing us in our day to day lives).

Posted by: oregonbirddog | August 31, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

"JoeT1 wrote: ..Obama probably didn't mention honoring our troops because Beck barely pretended that's what his rally was about, and barely did it at the rally..."
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JoeT1, I was there at the rally and your posting could not be more wrong. You and your ilk are the reason I am ashamed to mention I'm still a Democrat. You and your kind have gone so far left, gotten so base in your comments, and so inconsiderate of the truth that I don't care to be asociated with anything your a part of no matter what the issue. You are becoming or have become something less than human. I'd encourage you to get help but I don't know of anyone that treats your particulae illness. You and yours are so distubing in your comments it makes me want to slap your parents for inflicting you on the world. Please, get some help.

Posted by: MDDem1 | August 31, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

The teabagger don't want Obama to "respect" them. They want him to confess to being a Muslim socialist who hates America, and then resign.

Posted by: jondnorton | August 31, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Nobody should have to commet on a white trash cult who is out of touch with the world.

Posted by: porcelainproductions | August 31, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Beck and his followers must really have the extreme left extremely bent out of shape, if these postings are anything to judge the extremeness by.

Such extreme hate and extreme vilification.

Anyway, this author is just another in a long line of extreme Obama butboys. First of all, the Million Man March was not attended by a million men. That's extreme hyperbole. And I doubt that the extreme Mr Obama could ever stoop to acknowledge that someone who has a differing opinion is worthy of respect. When the midterms have come and gone, and many of his extreme fellow travelers in this currently extreme Congress are gone, the extreme Mr Obama will, or maybe might but probably not, rue the day he ever made such extreme comments about fellow American citizens.

Posted by: bandmom22 | August 31, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

President Obama has lived in his brown skin...with his "funny" name all of his life. He is not stupid and knows a cow pie before he steps in it. He knows a lot more about white folks than white folks know about black, browns, "others." The problem is ignorant, inexperienced white folks! Ignorant white folks are more American than Apple Pie! As Bill Cosby said, "Some folk need to get out more." Mr. Lane ...you look a bit white to me! Maybe you need to get out more!

Posted by: judithclaire1939 | August 31, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Obama doesn't "get" Beck, but hopefully he "gets" white supremacy, because that is what Beck is "preaching" to his choir...


Posted by: demtse | August 31, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

You have to be a black racist to get Obama.

Posted by: GordonShumway | August 31, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Obama sounded like a clown when he spoke because there was no teleprompter to tell him what to say. He was also disturbed that there were three times as many people there for Glenn Beck than were there when Obama was following his hero Louis Farrakhan around during the 100,000 black man march.

"But cursing out white folks is not going to get the job done."
--- Barack Obama (first mulatto president)

Posted by: oldno7 | August 31, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

"Anyway, this author is just another in a long line of extreme Obama butboys."

Hear that Lane? That's your audience now boy. Ha ha ha ha ha.

Posted by: fzdybel | August 31, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

To jakemehoffer at 2:31....

You truly are an idiot. I'm curious....what business do you own, and how many unemployed people have you hired? With commentary like you offered, I'm confident the true answer is none...or you wouldn't have the time to comment on Tuesday at 2:31pm.

Or is it easier to assume everyone who is struggling is a loser and a racist (dumbest logic I've heard in a long while). Have a nice evening.

And no...I'm not dumb enough to check for your response. I'm too busy trying to find a job. I suppose that makes me a loser in your book. Step off!

Posted by: c100 | August 31, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Beck used the soldiers to preach god in government, nothing more (which is unconstitutional). He's a fraud

Posted by: Chops2 | August 31, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

This is only to rile the left:

Glenn Beck's Happy Warriors
You probably couldn't have found a more polite crowd at the opera.

By JAMES FREEMAN

Washington, D.C.

Pundits will debate whether the crowd at Glenn Beck's Saturday rally in Washington was the largest in recent political history, but it was certainly among the most impressive.

Mr. Beck is a television host and radio broadcaster with a checkered past and a penchant for incendiary remarks. But if he's judged by the quality of people of all colors that he attracted to the Lincoln Memorial, his stock can't help but rise.


Jason Riley discusses Glenn Beck's rally at the Lincoln Memorial.

One would not be able to find a more polite crowd at a political convention, certainly not at a professional sporting event, probably not even at an opera. In fact, judging by the behavior of the attendees following the event, you'd have a tough time finding churches in which people display more patience as others make their way to the exits.

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Rad the rest:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703369704575461633570826898.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEFTTopOpinion#printMode

Posted by: pouran-doukht | August 31, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

It appears that we have a large majority of thin-skinned, defensive folks on this board. Why so threatened by one you believe to be a fool and a fraud/

Posted by: faudel | August 31, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

"Blow By Blow" was totally awesome, though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IriEq4H1XSU

Hmm ... yeah, no, I guess I just don't get, but that's cool, dog.

Blow by blow by blow ... blow on by, baby blue.

Posted by: pressF1 | August 31, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

What President Obama said or says about Beck's rally is irrelevant because anyone who took the time and effort to attend the rally will not be voting for President Obama any other Democrats.

I wish the President gave some of his adversaries (including Fox "News") the attention they deserve.

Posted by: terminator_x | August 31, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Okay. 1st of all, that rally wasn't organized to honor the military. Rather, it was an exercise to confirm to americans the level of Beck's popularity and to feed his megalomaniacal and absurd ego. 2ndly, dancing around in 3-Cornered hats with teabags taped all over you and worn as ear rings lends itself to some level of disrespect. Not to mention that taking Beck or Palin seriously at all will generally end with the same result. 3rd - What are these "traditional american values" and "spiritual and cultural greatness" things you'd take "seriously?"

The column's title asserts that the President doesn't "get" Beck, and these are exactly the points that need clarification - and you're not doing it. Besides, the truth is that these aren't things rally attendees "lost." What they lost was a Presidential Election, and they're still angry about it. My sense is that they're really angrier about being lied to, stolen from, and ridiculed by, their prior two-term president and his band of wacky goofballs that paraded around as a cabinet. Beck's rally group still can't believe that they got exactly what they voted for - go figure!

Be critical of Mr Obama over real issues. Are you honestly suggesting he spend more than a moment's thought on Glenn Beck?

Posted by: USA4ALL | August 31, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

I don't know why the President should "get" Glenn Beck. Beck's a circus clown, a very highly paid buffoon followed by Stepford citizens who love to hate. Why even give Beck or them a second thought? They're not worth the time.

Posted by: MadamDeb | August 31, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it interesting how full of hate the posts are from those who accuse others of hate? I've never seen more hateful posts than from these loving anti-hate libs.

Posted by: groovercg | August 31, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

After reading the posts all one can say is more left wing socialistic hate speech.

I'm sure this crowd can't wait til they get their NKVD badge and a gun.

Posted by: krankyman | August 31, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

I hate to say it but after reading the comments to this article. Liberals and Conservatives will never agree to disagree. There is so much hate I would not be surprised if we have a war in this Country. The only good thing is that the Conservatives will have the Guns.

Posted by: sambird | August 31, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse


OH? Obama doesn't "get" Beck?

Well the rest of us "get" you, Lane. You're
nothing but
zionist, Israel firster, first last and ALWAYS.

And as long as Obama doesn't give you AND NETANYAHOO WHATEVER YOU WANT...MORE SETTLEMNTS, MORE MONEY...you'll pen molre zionist stuff here?

When will things get seriously enough to
throw out the zinoist newspapers? Can't, in the US of A? Don't count of in. We're getting into survival mode. At which point zionists treason will be inspected.
Always has, world wide, always will.

Posted by: whistling | August 31, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

It’s not the lack of progress, as Obama defines it, which threatens them -- it’s progress. Movements of this kind have, indeed, been recurrent “throughout our history.” To counter it effectively, Obama must first comprehend it.

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I think this sums it up quite nicely. Most people don't want the "progress" Obama is peddling and he is to arrogant to understand that.

Posted by: bbface21 | August 31, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Frustratingly typical Charles Lane idiocy, compounded by his delusion that his readers are equally cynical and stupid. Fifteen years late, he praises the Million Man March solely to compare it to Beck's carnival. Where the hell was Lane in 1995, when it counted? When the Million Man March was being smeared before, during, and after the fact as a black orgy of hate and violence? I await his citation to his CONTEMPORANEOUS writings confirming his convenient present recollection.

President Obama doesn't get Beck because no rational nonbigot can. I know, I know, Obama and the rest of us are supposed to get a person who called the President a racist and trashed his religious beliefs. Whose teary fantasies about hidden messages in our currency and comical chalkboard lectures somehow justify deference. And we're supposed to respect the sheep who swoon to Beck's semiliterate bigotry. Can I be alone in my inability to remember a requirement that Bush manufacture respect for Cindy Sheehan? Or for blacks and other progressives who marched against his war, science, and stem-cell policies? Oh, and those who kept their mouths tightly shut as Bush turned President Clinton's surplus into a raging deficit have forfeited the right to have their protests of "government spending" taken seriously. Not when President Obama is spending stimulus money -- necessarily putting aside his campaign aspirations -- to save a world financial system nearly destroyed by Bush's deliberate fiscal and regulatory dysfunctionality.

The right has Lane by the nose ring. Finger to the November wind, Lane orders us to believe that Murdoch's lackey's new clothes are resplendent. Who the HELL is running the Washington Post?

Posted by: yarbroughr | August 31, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

How does a person comprehend this? Listen to the people who went. And tell me how to comprehend it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht8PmEjxUfg&feature=player_embedded#!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 31, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

"And for all their opportunism, rancor and obtuseness, I take Beck, Palin, and their followers seriously when they say they're sincerely troubled by the loss of “traditional” American values -- as they imagine them, to be sure -- and seek some kind of “restoration” of spiritual and cultural greatness."

Why would anyone take them seriously?

What they seek is a reversion to white conservative values...like going back to the 50s. Good luck with that...it's a different country now...and going backwards won't get us forward.

Posted by: david_misc | August 31, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

The right wing is simply angry when they don't control things...

Obama doesn't need to "get" Beck... He needs to call them on their lies and distortions..

The Right say Obama has a radical left extremist agenda...yet they cannot point to a single thing Obama has done or proposed that falls under "radical" or "extemist"

The left needs to hit the right hard on their own record of extremism with Bush 2, Bush 1 and Reagan as will as the GOP Congress and take charge of the debate. Obama needs to follow Anthony Weiner and Alan Grayson's lead and use the GOP record against them and do not let their corporatsist agenda further damage this country.

Posted by: dwdave67 | August 31, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

"none of them voted for you and none of them ever would vote for you. "

Lane, just another WaPo moron that is wrong 100% of the time...

Posted by: illogicbuster | August 31, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

"none of them voted for you and none of them ever would vote for you. "

Lane, just another WaPo moron that is wrong 100% of the time...

Posted by: illogicbuster | August 31, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

"So he is misguided but hardly hateful, a bigot or the like. "

He said Obama had a seething hatred for white people. What do you call that?

Posted by: aartmann112004 | August 31, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

To: Jamesschirico :Try reading the Constitution, the judiciary is as separate from the executive as the congress. Ever read the 10th amendment, the 14th? You live in a nation of laws yet know very little about it.
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O, I forgot to say it in Espanol. Why don't you have the LaRaza translate the 10th AND the 14th so YOU CAN REALLY "comprehende" the true original intent. And as for the judiciary being separate from the executive - EXCUSE me, por favor...explain the Attorney General's strings being attached to your ho-liness!
IDIOT!

Posted by: american17 | August 31, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

"He said Obama had a seething hatred for white people. What do you call that?"

Posted by: aartmann112004

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I call it the truth.

Posted by: groovercg | August 31, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

The president of the United States, which is what Barack Obama most decidedly is, does not need to "get" every crazed Tom, Dick and Harry ... or Glenn, that comes along.

Posted by: gsross | August 31, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

your historical materialism comment is off. economics is a prime mover of political thought. and obama got it right on that point- beck isnt unusual, its common to have this in history during times such as these.

you get a D- for your analysis.

Posted by: ae-inc | August 31, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse


Beck, et al, would be easier to understand if they didn't traffic in such abstractions as 'restore America', 'return to traditional values'.

Posted by: mbus | August 31, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

"I call it the truth.
Posted by: groovercg"

Thanks for proving my point. Beck is a bigot and so are you.

Posted by: aartmann112004 | August 31, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse


Lane, You are wrong about the political leanings of those who attended Beck's rally.

Although there were conservatives there, there were Independents and Democrats, too.

I know it's hard for liberals to face the reality that Obama's disastrous agenda is the reason for the grass roots Tea Party movement.

These are ordinary Americans from different political affiliations who are going to put the brakes on Obama and the Dems from economically bankrupting our country.

We're still finding out what's in the Health Care Bill bit by bit. I guess Pelosi was right (for a change) when she said "you have to pass the bill to know what's in there."

Unbelievable. And you still support their agenda. No wonder you can't figure out the composition and purpose of the Tea Party movement. Try getting your head out of the sand.

Posted by: janet8 | August 31, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

'return to traditional values'

I wonder if that means torture as well? After all, Ronald Reagan signed the UN treaty prohibiting torture and cruel and unusual punishment. That is the best of US values and traditions. At least it USED to be.


Until these so-called traditional conservatives stop advocating torture I will correctly consider them degenerates and the worse that the US has to offer.


But that would mean the GOP would have to admit to war crimes and we know they'll never do that.

Not many people can lay claim to lowering the level of human rights worldwide but that's exactly what the GOP has done.

Christian morals and values on parade.

Posted by: aartmann112004 | August 31, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

"I know it's hard for liberals to face the reality that Obama's disastrous agenda is the reason for the grass roots Tea Party movement."

Foxnews, Freedomworks and the billionaire Koch brothers fund the teabaggers. THEY ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO GRASSROOTS OR BIPARTISAN.

I wish you people would just stop the constant stream of lies.

Posted by: aartmann112004 | August 31, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: ssdfknwefo | August 31, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

They'll criticize you if you say "yes".

They'll criticize you if you say "no".

They'll criticize you if you say nothing at all.

Yawn.

Posted by: camasca | August 31, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

By "hateful crackpot" , Lois Lane must have bee talking about the poison dwarf Obama. He's more proof that liberals can "celebrate " ant perversion except a differing opinion. His Sheerha hero IS a muslim.

Posted by: carlbatey | August 31, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

"Why couldn’t Obama at least find it within himself to say that he shared the rally’s ostensible goals of honoring the military, etc.?"

Because he's nowhere naive enough to be hoodwinked into buying that nonsense?

Posted by: CardFan | August 31, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

As I have said before, as a lifelong Democrat, I will do EVERYTHING IN MY POWER to defeat these hate-filled, extremist, neo-liberal socialist brownshirts. They are usurpers, they are liars, including their president and they must go. I have pledged to document and prove to my normal, authentic Democrats that these people are aggressive fascist agitators and they are NOT liberal Democrats as they have known before. They have been duped and comments such as the ones here are my best proof and ammunition.

Thank you and goodnight! My FB runneth over tonight!

Posted by: pouran-doukht | August 31, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Right wing, left wing, it's amazing the poor bird can still fly. Perhaps it would merit positive suggestions of how to encourage progress in the employment market, trim any wastage of tax revenues, perhaps [horrors] even consider reducing the size of some governmental departments, possibly even public auditing of their efficaciousness? Good heavens, there should be many issues that all can, at least, agree to disagree on like mature citizens, even if no agreement can readily be discerned. Bickering over who said what or did what is not only non productive, it has been rumoured to attribute to ulcers. Make nice, give it a try, at least. Bless you all, from Halifax, Nova Scotia [the great white north]

Posted by: boblusby | August 31, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

"because he's not a drooling jobless idiot like the 50k who showed up to listen to Beck's hate rant instead of seeking employment. "

I listened to the people speak at the rally, and none of them were jobless, they all seemed reasonably intelligent, I didn't hear Beck spew hate.

Oh, and you were probably off by a factor of 5 or 6 as well. Which is ironic considering your calling everybody else an idiot.

But this is the country of free speech.

Posted by: Ombudsman1 | August 31, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

How exactly do you comprehend a nut job without being say a PHD in psychiatry? The curious thing is to watch this amount of sore losers follow the Mormon pied piper right off a cliff and listen to him tell them how to be Christians. If you believe that a guy named Joseph Smith received some golden tablets that could only be read in a magic hat by only him from God then you sir are an idiot. That this many old white obese bigot Americans would come on out to a rally to restore their honor would be funny if it were not such a sad indication of where we are as a nation educationally and racially. This crowd would have loved to sing along to a tune of Obama is an N word but knowing that wont go over they try to cast him as some kind of alien. Easy to understand that you always try to bring down what you cannot comprehend and thus the popularity of reality t.v. and ventriloquist dummies like Glen and Sarah who are laughing hard all the way to the bank on those they can cower. Obama is getting us out of Iraq a war that cost us over a trillion dollars and over four thousand of our kids based totally on lies from Dubya and his criminal cabinet. Based on that move alone he will go down in history as a great President. Those that are gong to vote the right back in in November should try and remember that a) Obama is half white if that helps your bigotry b) He is working hard on getting us out of the economic mess and the wars that he inherited c) He has more intellect than the whole group of Repugnican leaders Boehner, Mc Connell, Pailin, Newt combined. d) He is not a closet gay like Mc Connell, Boehner, and Graham, His family values are the real deal e) Hawaii is in fact a state with a star on our flag f) Plenty of Muslims have given the ultimate sacrifice for our country in its wars check out Arlington for crescents one day g) the Repugnicans caused all the deficits of which you seem to care now. OBAMANOS!

Posted by: jbento | August 31, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

"As I have said before, as a lifelong Democrat, I will do EVERYTHING IN MY POWER"

And what would that power be? The power to go to Starbucks and tell all your friends that you think everybody else is "hate filled"?

Good grief, get over yourself and your POWER. Go send Obama another $5 or something. I mean, read just before you. We get stuff like this:

"The president of the United States, which is what Barack Obama most decidedly is"

That's what passes as clever repartee in progressive circles. I feel like I'm caught in some weird "Young Progressive Democrats" meeting where everybody is pledging their lives to re-electing Obama, as long as they don't find a job or husband. The whole of of you is so silly that it's hard to take you seriously.

Posted by: Ombudsman1 | August 31, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps 150,000 Americans this past Saturday did get Glenn Beck.

Fortunately, there's 300,000,000 Americans that don't.

Even better... no-one outside of North America has even heard of Glenn Beck (the Canadians can be forgiven due to the cultural trash that infiltrates their border from the U.S.).

Posted by: thetroubleboys | August 31, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

jakemehoffer has the unique ability to keep writing until he thinks of something to say. It is a simplification to broad brush the crowed of the leader of the day and underestimates both the follower and his ideals. I'm not a Beck fan but I and millions of others do support the basics of his argument.

Posted by: wantingbalance | August 31, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Lets be fair Mr. Lane, you are exaggerating and reading extra words and intentions into the President's statement. Do not put words in his mouth. He does not call the rally attendants a subculture, which has a fringe, outsider conotation. In fact he explicitly places them within a tradition of free excercise of speech and assembly. He also does not call them irrational. To the contrary, he justifies the rationality of their anger (at him!) by explaining the difficulty that Americans are facing.

Putting words like these into the Presidents mouth are unfair an only serves to divide him from Americans who he clearly disagrees with but chooses not to say so on national television. To me that is respectful and fights division. We need more unifying efforts out of our politicians, even when we disagree with people.

Posted by: clewis13 | August 31, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

I must give Mr. Beck credit for behaving himself last weekend. Nevertheless, I understand why Mr. Obama doesn't get him.

Mr. Obama has the most responsible job in the country. Any president has problems dumped on his desk continuously that need to be solved and acted upon. The consequences of those decisions range from trivial to epic. He is also accountable to the people of the United States.
Mr. Beck has one of the easiest jobs in the world. He is accountability is mostly to his ratings and short of committing a serious crime will never have to answer to anybody. It is easy to rant and rave about anything real or imagined the president and/or the government does. If you don't have shocking enough material on a slow news day, you can just make it up. You can abuse your freedom of speech on a daily basis and because we are a nation of laws make an honest attempt to live by the Constitution; the government will not make you take it back regardless of veracity of your statements.

I do not find it surprising that when the going gets tough, shock jocks like Mr. Beck are the last folks the president turns to to help solve our nation’s problems. I do not think it so surprising that when the Deep Water Horizon oil spill threatened to destroy the Gulf Coast, Mr. Obama did not consult Mr. Beck. He consulted the best engineers and scientists available (and thank God they were patriotic enough to rise to the occasion, frequently without compensation.) When the economy suddenly tanked, Mr. Bush thankfully did not consult Mr. Beck, rather he consulted, Dr. Bernanke. Mr. Obama followed suit and continues to consult with Dr. Bernanke and Dr. Summers, two of the relative handful of scholars who quite literally understands the math. (I have read some of Summers’ research. His comparative statics [advanced multivariate calculus] are some of the most complex I have seen.)

Mr. Beck’s strength is arousing people’s emotions. He has a way of getting people who literally do not understand the math of macroeconomics or the intricacies of policy-making to vent off their frustrations. To that extent venting is emotionally satisfying, he provides a service. But since he has not, to my knowledge, provided any solutions beyond platitudes, Mr. Obama needs to find those with the expertise to be helpful.

Now if the president ever needs a vent-er in chief, then Mr. Beck would make a strong candidate.


Posted by: DrS1 | August 31, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Fortunately, I DO get Glen Beck. He is, like GW Bush, a dried out drunk and pill head who is looking to recreate the ecstasy of his pharmaceutical days in real life. And, what better way to do this than fool millions of people and therefore "prove" to yourself that you are an alpha kind of guy. For Bush junior, it was the war in Iraq and for little Glen it seems to be the destruction of the current administration.

Posted by: rkerg | August 31, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Fortunately, I DO get Glen Beck. He is, like GW Bush, a dried out drunk and pill head who is looking to recreate the ecstasy of his pharmaceutical days in real life. And, what better way to do this than fool millions of people and therefore "prove" to yourself that you are an alpha kind of guy. For Bush junior, it was the war in Iraq and for little Glen it seems to be the destruction of the current administration.

Posted by: rkerg | August 31, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Libs are such loving compassionate people. Some lib turns his life around and gets off drugs, he is praised for his courage and appears on Oprah. A conservative turns his life around and he is a dried out drunk and pill head. Hypocrites!

Posted by: groovercg | August 31, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Why would Obama "get" Beck? He's playing a fictional character. Glenn Beck doesn't believe a word that comes out of his mouth. Anyone who thinks those crying fits of his are for real is a complete moron. Everything he does it totally contrived.

Although, more power to him. I happen to believe he's a genious. He discovered that he could make millions by creating a persona that was to the right of Rush Limbaugh.

Brilliant!

Posted by: saqster | August 31, 2010 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Beck is an intelligence test. Some fail, like Mr. Lane.

Posted by: rusty3 | August 31, 2010 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Obama doesn'thave to "get" Glenn Beck. We all get Glenn baby: an hysterically emotional, whining liar so bigotted it leaks out of his ears.

It's Beck that doesn't "get" what the Constitution means. Another sorry little Tea Bigot enjoying success as a media clown, supported by the ultimate media fascist, Rupert Murdoch.

Posted by: 2229 | August 31, 2010 11:51 PM | Report abuse

After all the posts by hateful liberals, I've yet to see any specifics about how Beck lied or examples of his racism or his bigotry. Give us some examples libs.

Posted by: groovercg | August 31, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Kblit:
"[Obama] and a lot of politicians who do not get it period will be on the streets after November. These people just do not understand the overall mood of America."

You don't understand basic math. Obama will be in office until at least January, 2013. And people are beginning to see the overall mood of, at least, the bigots in America. I wouldn't count on moderates getting your "mood" at all.

Posted by: 2229 | September 1, 2010 12:03 AM | Report abuse

to all,

the majority of the posters here, i.e., the LEFTISTS are the biggest collection of ANTISEMITES, FOOLS, CRETINS & NASTY-MOUTHED BIGOTS that i've recently had the displeasure to be exposed to.

the more i learn about the LEFT, the DIMocRATS & the "bho maladministration" the better i like poisonous snakes, venomoue spiders, slugs & worms.

but fear NOT, dear readers, on 11/02/10 the LEFTIST DIMocRATS will be IRRELEVANT, as they will lose BOTH houses of Congress, by the largest landslide in modern history.

just think, BHO & his coven of nitwits, union bosses, Chicago thugs & FOOLS will all be LAME DUCKS and have the same chance of being in control of the US government as i will.
(i'm running for nothing.)

one thing that i never thought that the DIMocRAT Party would ever be able to do is they have COMPLETELY succeeded in converting every single member of my family from "yellow dog democrats" to Tea Party members, political independents & GOP members.
NONE of us will EVER vote DIMocRAT again, as we simply are UNwilling to trust the party with our LIBERTY and/or with the general welfare of the USA.

fwiw, "kiss us goodbye", as our family are GONE forever from the DIMocRATS Party, as MOST southern/western/conservative & moderate/traditional democrats ARE leaving.

soon the DIMocRATS will be as DEAD, as a major political party, as the Whigs are, as there are not enough LEFTISTS/BIGOTS/FOOLS in the nation to win any national election.

yours, TN46
coordinator, CCTPP

Posted by: texasnative46 | September 1, 2010 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Dear Mr. Lane,

You're right that Glenn Beck is a purveyor of populist platitudes, but let's get real. That doesn't make him a "hateful crackpot" like Louis Farrakhan. It just puts him in the same vacuously sloganeering class as Barack ("Hope and Change") Obama.

As for your claim that the people who attended Beck's rally are against "progress", you've got to be kidding.

What they're really against is the arrogant disdain for majority opinion reflected in Obama's ruinous domestic policies (e.g., pushing big government programs like health care and cap and trade instead of giving top priority to relieving private sector unemployment) and his pusillanimous diplomacy (e,g,, letting Iran accumulate enough uranium to produce two nuclear bombs and bowing obsequiously to Saudi Arabia's rigidly repressive King Abdullah).

John D. Hartigan
Chevy Chase, MD

Posted by: hartlex | September 1, 2010 12:11 AM | Report abuse

"Perhaps 150,000 Americans this past Saturday did get Glenn Beck.

Fortunately, there's 300,000,000 Americans that don't."

There there there, did that take the boo boo away?

..... Too bad because that 300,000,000 Americans sure can see November from their decks! So excellent schadenfreude!

Posted by: pouran-doukht | September 1, 2010 12:14 AM | Report abuse

You take Beck,Palin & their followers seriously when they say they are sincerely troubled by loss of traditional American values. Tell me, is it a traditional American value to practice political demoguery? As examples,take Beck's accusation that President Obama hates white people. Or Palin's questioning Joe Biden's patriotism during the presidential campaign because she believed Biden would be for raising our taxes. Or Beck's attempt in one of his TV presentations to label Obama a political subversive by pasting on to a pasteboard a picture of the sixties leftist radical William Ayers. And what about advocating immigration reform (a proposal which I support) by calling for the repeal of the 14th Amendment to the constitution? Are these kinds of tactics which Beck, Palin et al, often carry out by insinuation & innuendo, consistent with belief in traditional American values? Yes, I agree there has been a loss of traditional Amercian values. And the actions & tactics of political activists like Beck & Palin exemplilfy this loss. I am not entirely happy with president Obama's political leadership but I believe the president to be correct when he says we cannot expect to solve our problems if we cannot engage in a civil conversation with each other about things that matter. And one might add that we cannot expect to engage in civil conversation if we do not respect certain traditional American values. I can't think of anything more disrespectful toward traditional American values than engaging in political demoguery, propaganda, and character defamation.

Posted by: tomc54oma | September 1, 2010 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Well, it seems that the Post's Kathleen Parker, dying breed moderate Repub, kind of agrees with me.

Posted by: rkerg | September 1, 2010 12:31 AM | Report abuse

The article says that Obama assumes that economic measurements determine people's satisfaction, and that this is a leap. But the polls agree with Obama.

The article also says that he assumes that Beck's people are venting frustration at him for problems which are not yet fixed because they are not fixable quickly. But it doesn't matter, because they hate him so vehemently.

Obama is keenly aware of the message of The traditional american values that becks' crowd speaks of. It is a meaningless buzzphrase which refers to whatever those are angry about feel they must revert back to. It is meaningless and vague to attract the biggest crowd.

The writer has no point.

Posted by: Ezra2 | September 1, 2010 2:16 AM | Report abuse

What Obama didn't "get" were my requests for an investigation into constitutional, civil and human rights violations here in Indiana. For over 1 & 1/2 years, I have been sending certified mail and email begging for help. ( See Obama Conspiracy Letters) Youtube. No one from the Whitehouse has even bothered to respond. So what Obama doesn't "get" is his own mail.

Posted by: edwinjones | September 1, 2010 2:22 AM | Report abuse

What Obama didn't "get" were my requests for an investigation into constitutional, civil and human rights violations here in Indiana. For over 1 & 1/2 years, I have been sending certified mail and email begging for help. ( See Obama Conspiracy Letters) Youtube. No one from the Whitehouse has even bothered to respond. So what Obama doesn't "get" is his own mail.

Posted by: edwinjones | September 1, 2010 2:23 AM | Report abuse

It's the economy stupid! Empty stomachs growl.

Posted by: Calabrese99 | September 1, 2010 3:27 AM | Report abuse

I like the way Lane thinks. A well reasoned and thought out collumn.

However, perhaps Obama is looking to Nov. 11 elections. For all the doom and gloom, polls actually show that the American Public dislikes the Republicans more than they do the Democrats. . . . . . The problem is that among mid-term election likely voters, most of them are the minority Republicans.

If Obama can illustrate the point that the Republicans are really the Rush Limbaughs, Glenn Becks, and Sarah Palins of our nation ( which they are ), then he might stir up enough majority voters to go out and block the Republicans.

Posted by: coldcomfort | September 1, 2010 5:02 AM | Report abuse

I suspect that the President comprehends what makes Beck and Palin tick just fine, as Lane puts it. But I think the President also recognizes that however natural and understandable their desire for a sense of shared community on their own terms may be, it can only lead to heartache, injustice and disaster in a diverse and multi-cultural society like ours if this innate provincialism is allowed to fester and spread because we indulge in it too far.

And so the President doesn't indulge in it, unlike Lane, who doesn't seem to recognize or acknoweldge this kind of populism's ugly side.

A good example of this is the way that the undeniable religious bigotry that underlies opposition to the Park51 Islamic community center has so easily camoflagued itself in the minds of millions of white Christians as the benign demand for respect for the hurt feelings of those who lost loved ones at Ground Zero.

The human capacity for self-justifying and self-flattering rationalization is inexhaustable. But the delusion of opponents that the Park51 mosque is just about respect for the sensitivity of our fellow Americans is undermined by the utter silence from the right -- a refusal to even comment -- to a vicious bigot who plans to locate his own center two blocks from Ground Zero dedicated entirely to anti-Muslim bigotry.

No, Mr. Lane, these dangerous and divisive tendencies, however decorated in patriotic language, should not be pampered or enabled.

Posted by: TedFrier | September 1, 2010 6:32 AM | Report abuse

Obama's lack of leadership shows up at every event.

QUOTE OF THE CENTURY, MAYBE EVEN THE MILLENNIUM

Some people have the vocabulary to sum up things in a way you can understand them. This quote came from the Czech Republic . Someone over there has it figured out. We have a lot of work to do.

"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president."


Posted by: KornKutter | September 1, 2010 6:34 AM | Report abuse

The Five Great Weapons of the Liberals, race card players, and the progressive Jews who dominate media:
1. Hysteria
2. Denial of Reality
3. Thought Control
4. Name Calling, demonization of opponents, particularly white Christians.
5. Projection of Guilt

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A hint for you all. It's not working any more.
You all kept on going and going until 80% of the country in one way or another has been castigated as evil, unfit people....and none of them are feeling inclined anymore to crawl to liberals, race pimps, and progressive Jews and beg forgiveness.

Posted by: ChrisFord1 | September 1, 2010 7:36 AM | Report abuse

Progressives can't help themselves. They really disdain 80% of America, and can't shut up about it.

"You're a disgusting rube; now vote for me."

Posted by: happyacres | September 1, 2010 7:43 AM | Report abuse

Yeah "Wheels" Krauthammer is quite the liberal. You TaliBaggers will meet reality someday, and it won't be pretty.

Posted by: jakemehoffer | August 31, 2010 2:59 PM

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Oh how I love the tolerant Left.

Posted by: belsawyer | September 1, 2010 7:43 AM | Report abuse

I can hardly wait for the November threats from Libturds who will all state they are leaving the country because of the Liberal losses this fall. Please , don't threaten, just leave. I hear Kenya is nice this time of year. All the hate from the left feels good since it generally means the sheeple are waking up to the nonsense being spouted from Barry and company. With all of Bobo's vacations, you'd think Cindy Sheehan could work in a protest now and then. She must be still busy in Crawford Texas.

Posted by: elcigaro1 | September 1, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

>Why is the right allowed to own the
>"supporting the troops" shtick?

Because Liberals spit on troops returning from Vietnam.

It is that simple.

They have never been able to make amends that the public feels is sincere since then.

Posted by: Dal190 | September 1, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

What a bunch of smug self serving hypocrits. I read through around 1/3 of these comments from the liberal readers of the WP and I am stunned by the blatent dishonesty of the messages. The constant recurring theme is what a bunch of hate filled ignoramuses attended the Beck rally. Go back and read your own comments, the hate is being spewed by the left. Elitists looking down their noses at anyone who doesn't agree with them, like they are somehow not worthy of respecting. GROW UP.

Posted by: dmattea | September 1, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Roughly 100,000 people showed up for Beck, which is about a sixth of one percent of those who voted for McCain, who lost to Obama by a considerable margin.

Hardly any of these people would even consider voting for Obama, regardless of anything he might say or do, so it is a great mystery why he ought to kowtow to them in any way, though perhaps not so great a mystery as why anyone would pay a salary to the vacuous arch-twit Charles Lane.

Posted by: misterjrthed | September 1, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

You dont understand Beck or the rally either. I started listening to him when he came on the air in Pittsburgh. I hated him. I thought he had no talent and was a screamer. He has since become my favorite radio personality. (replacing Rush is a big deal)

Anyway, by calling him a hateful crackpot insults us listeners. Period. Would you call Ed Shultz, Keith Oberman, or Dana Bash hateful crackpots? No, but somehow its ok to call Beck this name. Meanwhile, much of his show focuses on lifting people up.

We believe our president is sympathetic to communism. He said as much in his book. Every mentor he has had in his life including both parents were marxists. His policies are all marxists or socialist in nature. He doesnt like or understand capitalism. We oppose him. We believe he is a danger to our country.

Beck is bold enough to say these things. Obama's pastor is the hateful crackpot. He had his kids baptized by him.

Why are we the only ones that you elitists in the media are willing to insult?

Posted by: capdc | September 1, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

BO's response was just his typical LIBERAL knee-jerk reaction to ANYTHING conservative, regardless of the content. That is why BO's claim to be bi-partisan was always a facade, for you are either with BO or against BO. NO COMPROMISE!

this is a direct result of his INexperience at governing at any level. Most Incompetent president ever, hear that Carter.

Posted by: morphy | September 1, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Well, I almost made it through the first paragraph until I read the "crack-pot" comment (frankly, I think Obama is the crack-pot). Then the Million-Man-March comment threw me (Beck had 100,000 more than the 400,000 MMM estimate). You know, if you really want to learn how the American public feels, stop reading your own newspaper.

Posted by: CogsUSA | September 1, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Well, I almost made it through the first paragraph until I read the "crack-pot" comment (frankly, I think Obama is the crack-pot). Then the Million-Man-March comment threw me (Beck had 100,000 more than the 400,000 MMM estimate). You know, if you really want to learn how the American public feels, stop reading your own newspaper.

Posted by: CogsUSA | September 1, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Lane, I have just a few thoughts to share with you. First, how many of you people, writers & bloggers, seem to know exactly what Obama should say at all times? It certainly seems like most of you do. Since Obama's answers are scoured continuously, maybe his answers need to be more nuanced. The man really does not appear to be given to mindless expression. Second, Obama answers questions for the media regularly unlike his predecessor. Make use of it. NBC News is not the Heritage Foundation or the American Enterprise Institute. Finally, your premise about the throng gathering to hear Farrakhan is wrong. The person who does not "get" what happened that day and what was supposed to happen is you. Your comment smacks of the throng that reference Rev. Wright without a clue about what this man preaches beyond a sound bite. Equal treatment? Rev. Hagee was directly behind Beck, You know the one that said Katrina was god's punishment for New Orleans sinful ways. Isn't that a more contemporary issue than looking back to Farrakhan?

Posted by: concerned13 | September 1, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Well, I almost made it through the first paragraph until I read the "crack-pot" comment (frankly, I think Obama is the crack-pot). Then the Million-Man-March comment threw me (Beck had 100,000 more than the 400,000 MMM estimate). You know, if you really want to learn how the American public feels, stop reading your own newspaper.

Posted by: CogsUSA | September 1, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

This is an observation of Obama's "speech behavior". He seems subdued when on a "national scene" as 8/31/2010 TV speech. When he addresses partisan or staged groups he appears more expansive and "rhetorical". He appears to try to leave them with "sound bites" that appear later in the blogosphere. Could it be he realizes he can no longer get away with expansive claims not based on facts? Could it be he has no appetite for the mundane i.e. economy, budgets, etc. I think Obama is a "one issue", and one term, president. He wanted to atone for what he perceived as society's failure to care for his dying mother and so he was focused on the Health Care Reform and once that passed he gave "political lip service" to other liberal causes and to financial demands. Now he has no apparent interest in anything but being seen as a one term president who got something important done. His actions are those of a person who would rather be someplace else now that he has accomplished his goal but must continue the charade.

Posted by: fcrucian | September 1, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Well, I almost made it through the first paragraph until I read the "crack-pot" comment (frankly, I think Obama is the crack-pot). Then the Million-Man-March comment threw me (Beck had 100,000 more than the 400,000 MMM estimate). You know, if you really want to learn how the American public feels, stop reading your own newspaper.

Posted by: CogsUSA | September 1, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

I have had the most enjoyable morning reading the comments you liberals have posted here. It is clear that NONE of you watched the rally, but yet you have all these opinions about it and even have the gall to say there was "hate speech" there. Precisely what was the "hate speech" you heard and who said it? Maybe it was some dude in row 5000 in a political t-shirt...but not someone on the stage.

It is SO much fun to watch liberals explode. You think you are so intellectual and so informed. The truth is that very few of you have even picked up a history book, let alone read one. Some of the crap that was said here earlier about the Founding Fathers is just plain WRONG.

You try to paint all Republicans and Conservatives as hayseed hicks who carry a Bible under one arm and an assault rifle in the other. The truth is that we are well-educated, law abiding citizens who love this country and do the majority of tax-paying, charitable giving and military service in this country.

I personally want to thank Obama for being president. He has been EXACTLY what this country needed to wake up from its malaise. Guess all that "hope and change" bull.... backfired on you. See you in about 30 years, because that's about how long it will take your side to recover from the inept, man-child president you helped elect. Meanwhile, us "hayseed, Bible carrying, gun-toting, idiots" will save this country and your sorry butts right along with it.

Posted by: bigd1968 | September 1, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

You dont understand Beck or the rally either. I started listening to him when he came on the air in Pittsburgh. I hated him. I thought he had no talent and was a screamer. He has since become my favorite radio personality. (replacing Rush is a big deal)

Anyway, by calling him a hateful crackpot insults us listeners. Period. Would you call Ed Shultz, Keith Oberman, or Dana Bash hateful crackpots? No, but somehow its ok to call Beck this name. Meanwhile, much of his show focuses on lifting people up.

We believe our president is sympathetic to communism. He said as much in his book. Every mentor he has had in his life including both parents were marxists. His policies are all marxists or socialist in nature. He doesnt like or understand capitalism. We oppose him. We believe he is a danger to our country.

Beck is bold enough to say these things. Obama's pastor is the hateful crackpot. He had his kids baptized by him.

Why are we the only ones that you elitists in the media are willing to insult?

Posted by: capdc | September 1, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Is every single writer for the Washington Post a left wing idealogue? If so, there is no point in reading this propaganda any longer.

I suggest you turn away from your cocktail parties and vacations on Cape Cod, and mingle with the unwashed masses you so despise. You may find they are a lot more understanding of the nation's problems than you are.

Posted by: phillyrich1 | September 1, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

People on the right have been spewing hateful speech from day one and now they have the temerity to complain about hateful speech from the left. Just proves what I've thought about them since the 2008 election. A group of whiners who can't let go. When some on the left complained about the stolen election of 2000, those on the right said quit crying and get over it. Please take your own advice and get over it.
As for the great Glenn Beck, he and his followers are not people of honor and they do not believe in democracy. If they had their way, all of us non-believers would be shipped off to somewhere else. Be it another country or even a right wing gulag for retraining. In their minds, there is no free speech except their own.

Posted by: tedma | September 1, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

bigd1968

The whole point of Beck's rally was to mainstream right wing extremism. There was no overt hate speech at the rally, I will give you that. Nor were there the typical signs with their message of violence. The word went out for the crowd to be on its best behavior because Fox and friends know they have PR problem, which the Manhattan mosque issue accentuates, that the right is gaining a growing reputation for radicalism. That is why Beck wrapped himself in apple pie and motherhood and red, white and blue bunting on Saturday. Who could object to that?

But the other shoe dropped on Sunday when Beck put aside all the unity talk and began attacking once again the Presidents religious commitments, as well as his religion itself. And that was the whole point of the rall, wasn't it. To give beck cover for his divisive demagoguery.

Posted by: TedFrier | September 1, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Sorry to break it to you, Lane, but pretty much anyone with any self-respect and a brain doesn't 'get' Glen Beck. We do however, realize exactly what he is. A snake oil saleman. A huckster. A charlatan. A sideshow carnival act. He's David Koresh and Jimmy Swaggart rolled into one God-hating Talibanesque freak.
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Jake, it sounds like you are describing Obama, not Beck.

Posted by: mike85 | September 1, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Hmmm...Snake-oil selling charlatan, coke- snorting, narcissistic manipulator with messianic delusions - are we talking about Beck or Obama?

Posted by: sma2 | September 1, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

"But he is what you might call a historical materialist, in that he clearly thinks economic trends are the main determinants of political thought and behavior. "

From my reading, Obama's basic point was about economic uncertainty, and I wished that he would acknowledge that anyone can feel anxious during such times. But even people who disagree with his point can object to Lane's straw man of "historical materialism."

Posted by: Carstonio | September 1, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

"I take Beck, Palin, and their followers seriously when they say they're sincerely troubled by the loss of “traditional” American values"

- Good for you! Me - a non-white - don't. I know exactly what there concerns are. Years back, when driving on I-95 South "All-American" used to be a code for something - basically a "White-owned" motel. Beck and Palin stands for that same thing.

Of course, add to that both are ridiculously uninformed.

Posted by: shomudro | September 1, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Obama is in favor of abortion--tearing up little babies in their mothers' wombs. And he said that he yearns for people to see that homosexual relations are just as great as normal marriage.

He is one messed-up fellow.

Posted by: fraudbust2011 | September 1, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Even though Obama "says" he is not a socialist, his actions suggest otherwise.

Posted by: scifi0425 | September 1, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

capdc

You need to step back a second and look at what you are really saying.

You begin with a huge chip on your shoulder, saying that criticism by "elitist liberals" of Beck is insulting criticism of listeners like you.

OK, I get that. Whenever someone attacks someone or something we admire there can be an implied insult there.

But then look what you say next: The president is sympathetic to communism. Everyone who has been important to him is a Marxist. His policies are marxist. He hates capitalism (so much so that he bailed out the banks). He is a mortal threat to the country.

And then you define Obama's supporters (and your enemy) as liberal elitist and the media. How convenient. But that's not right is it?

Barak Obama wasn't elected by the media. He was elected by the American people. He got 365 electoral votes, and if memory serves collected more votes than any presidential candidate in US history. He even won a number of states, like Virginia and Indiana, that had been reliably "Red" for a generation or more.

It's one thing to attack President for the substance of his policies, that's your right as a citizen. But when you call OUR President a Marxist you insult US -- the tens of millions of American voters, including Republicans like me, who voted for this guy.

Are you saying that the majority of Americans are Marxists and threats to this country? I know how Fox and Beck are doing everything they can to undo the last election by waving political polls around like Confederate Flags to show the American people have abandoned Obama. But that is just spin -- the kind Roger Ailes learned on Richard Nixon's knee.

What matters in a democracy -- if we still believe in democracy -- are elections. That's when the people really express their will. That's what gives someone the political legitimacy and the right to govern. Not attracting a crowd at the Lincoln Memorial on a warm, summer Saturday afternoon.


Posted by: TedFrier | September 1, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Typically I dont respond to people that are not worthy of response but this time I am making an exception.

This was posted by jakemehoffer | August 31, 2010 2:51 PM

He doesn't get Glen Beck because he's not a drooling jobless idiot like the 50k who showed up to listen to Beck's hate rant instead of seeking employment. Stop defending these racist morons, you tool.

News flash to the guy with the semi pornographic name...the people at the rally arent unemployed, they arent idiots and there were at least 600% more people there than you give credit to.

My parents are legal immigrants to America from South America. They arent racists but they are retired, so I guess technically they are "jobless" according to you. If you listened to the words of Mr Beck you would have learned for yourself (instead of what MSNBC or the HuffPo told you) that there was not ONE hateful word spoken. The rally was about honoring our servicemen and women and restoring America to a place where we lead with Moral authority and we do the right things by our people and future generations. If you cant acknowledge that is a positive message, then maybe you need some introspection.

Posted by: jlarranaga | September 1, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

I am loving the comments of those whose criticism of Beck lies mostly in the "money-grubbing" meme.

(Jealous much? Like Keith Olbermann or Ed Schultz could ever do as well...in their dreams).

In one day, Beck raised millions of dollars to help the children of US Special Forces service members who have fallen in combat. And not one cent from the event went to his pocket.

How much have you done? What have you given?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Maybe you should stop decrying someone who has earned great wealth legally, honestly and without cheating anyone, and who gives more to charity every year than Barack Obama has in his whole life.

Turn that mirror inwards, maybe, or does that hurt too much?

Posted by: etpietro | September 1, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

"It's one thing to attack President for the substance of his policies, that's your right as a citizen. But when you call OUR President a Marxist you insult US -"

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The substance of his policies is that Obarry is a marxist.

Posted by: groovercg | September 1, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Well spoken, sir.

Posted by: pendell | September 1, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

The posts here are exactly what Beck was talking about. I think the guy is a nutcase, but his message the other day made a lot of sense to a lot of people. Good people, of every belief and political affiliation also agree with what he said, even if they don't like the messenger. The fact is that this is a great country and it didn't all of a sudden go bad in the last few years. If we focused on what made it great - individual opportunity, the ability to succeed or fail on your own terms, helping each other through tough times - we'd be in a better place. When you use government as a substitute for those values, we lose our identity and become tools of our "leaders".

Don't believe or discount what you hear from people because of what you think of the messenger. Just once in a while they may actually have something important to say.

Posted by: ted22 | September 1, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Shame shame shame....

the rally Beck led was sponsored by a bunch or right wing activists that had nothing to do with soldiers... including the head of Blackwater.

The money that was supposed to go to kids of fallen special ops soldiers? First all the bills get paid, including Palin and Beck's fees, and what's left over goes to the kids.

Everyone was duped... but you have less excuse.

Posted by: dutchess2 | September 1, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

We're afraid of "progress"?

9.5% unemployment.

A second recession looming.

Borders out of control because they repersent a spigot of new Dem voters.

A health care monstrosity that had to be jammed down the throat of the public.

Triple the debt of Bush.

Yeah, we're afraid of more of that "progress".

Liberalism will be dumped on the dust bin of history on Nov. 2.

Posted by: drjcarlucci | September 1, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Great response to the liberal blathering of the Beck rally, from LLoyd Marcus, an Unhyphenated American, that happens to be black:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/08/restoring_honor_and_our_higher.html

Posted by: notbuyingit | September 1, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Such nasty comments here about people of faith, which is why we need to restore FAITH, HONOR and CHARITY; the whole point of Beck's rally.

Posted by: Christian1941 | September 1, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Typical WAPO hack who leaves his objectivity once his two fingers touch the key board. Progress = Progressive to this bunch & if Progress is towards the nanny state, then no thanks. If it is Progress to an even more corrupt central government, again no thanks.
No one wishes to go back to the '50s no matter how you wish to mischaracterize the message of Conservatives. The message is to restore the American character - Judeo-Christian values of Faith, Hope and Charity - as exemplified today by many of our Military Personnel who are truly honorable individuals.

This is KEY so I'll type more slowly ---it is about Individual God-Given rights and equal justice rather than a Federal Government driven by the Collective Social Justice and Nanny Statists granting rights.

Simple example for you: … if you are on a car trip and make a wrong turn --- do you just keep going and hope you get to your destination? The more intelligent and prudent move would be to turn around and return to the right (pun intended) path.

Neither you nor Obama understand us. WE DON'T THINK LIKE YOU. We are willing to make sacrifices for our children's future and that includes delaying or reducing social security benefits. But, the sacrifice must be shared so government employees and their Union buddies need to become realistic about pay and pensions. We are self reliant and believe that charities should come from Churches and Charitable organizations (Red Cross etc)not the Government.
Radical stuff, guy. "RIGHT ON, Dude"

Posted by: pab11111 | September 1, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Obama and those like him cannot understand why people would listen to Glenn Beck. That's because they believe that they know what's best for everyone. And so, if you don't agree with them, they see you as stupid, deceived or something like that.

The founders knew that any position of power (from local police officer to President) came with the capacity to have the person in the position aggrandize the power of that position. And so they designed a government that thwarted that tendency.

So, 'power players' like those who would be President are, by design, frustrated by the system. The founders want those in power to be accountable to voters, citizens and taxpayers. Our system requires that leaders lead but only after they account for the 'will of the people' (a difficult concept and prospect to be sure).

Ours is a system that can force Ronald reagan to negotiate with and 'evil empire' and Jimmy Carter to attempt an invasion of Iran. And that is exactly what it is supposed to be and do.

Obama and his entourage don't get this. To lead, they must also follow. May it always be so.

Robert Fuller
Hopewell, NJ

Posted by: fuller1 | September 1, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

The author assumes that, of the hundreds of thousands of people present, none voted for Obama. I can tell you definitively, and to my shame, that he is wrong. You don't know me. I'm just an anonymous mass member.
The conceit running under this article is the real reason Dems are going to get spanked in November. The message I take from the tea party and the rallies and Glenn Beck is that freedom is more important than comfort.
Consider that.

Posted by: scootersays | September 1, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

drjcarlucci wrote "Triple the debt of Bush."

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That comment and the ignorance it exposes are why we are afraid of beck, Palin and the right.

Bush BORROWED $4.9 trillion. The author of the above total BS can not cite one source that would support his statement -- unless it is projected forward for 20 years or more.

Why does the right continue to spout such total BS? Because they have nothing else to offer!!!

Posted by: Freethotlib | September 1, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

A great many posts here are critical of Beck. They all use name calling and ad hominem attacks. Not one can defeat the content of his arguments. Telling!

Posted by: rmfischer117 | September 1, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I'll just say, in response to some of the commenters, that I'm quite intelligent and I quite understand Glenn Beck's appeal, though I only agree with half of what he says.

While this opinion writer's article is, well, opinionated, I think he's right about this being an unforced political error by Obama, but it goes to the fact that Obama has to hide what he believes in order to be liked, whereas someone like Glenn Beck can sob on TV and people "get it". Americans love people they can relate to, and the reality is that most Americans can't relate to the average coastal/big city Democratic politician. Frankly, they can't even relate to me, and I'm pretty open-minded socially liberal centrist who leans right on tax/spend issues.

Posted by: TheGlobalizer | September 1, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I read these Liberal knot head comments and am amazed how out of touch they are with basic simple reality .
On Obama 5 main issues he devotedly supports and have turned into radical Socialist laws like Health care .
with 4 others pending like Cap and trade but 72 % of Americans are against they becoming a moronic law .
The POLLS all show that 68-70 of ''All '' Americans are against Obama's racial Socialist beliefs .

44 House members have told Obama to stay out of the State .
21 have said they do not support Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi ,
While you leftist are throwing waste at Glen Beck the left is behind in the polls the most since 1968 .
Several noted Far left talking heads have admitted .......... RePub.s will win by a landslide .

Posted by: same15259 | September 1, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Christian1941 wrote "Such nasty comments here about people of faith, which is why we need to restore FAITH, HONOR and CHARITY; the whole point of Beck's rally."

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Have you ever listened to Beck? MY GOD, the man does nothing but spout nasty and mean comments.

As for charity -- if you're looking for charity from the right you're looking in the wrong place!! The right is against health care, social security, medicare, education assistance, the VA (yes - "W" cut $1 billion from the VA budget his first year in office), and any other program that would benefit the folks that don't have trust funds.

As for HONOR - listen to Beck. The man has none. Palin has none - she stole from the tax payers when she filed her false claims for lodging and meals -- while living at home.

As for faith - Beck may have faith but it is in the fact that many Americans are frightened and he and FOX have been working over time to make that situation worse -- not better.


Posted by: Freethotlib | September 1, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Why would a president want to "counter" the American people? ... I doubt Mr. Lane "comprehends" the American people either.

Posted by: Cdgaman | September 1, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Ahhh the INCREASINGLY SHRILL WAPO HATERS ...

Ha ha ha.

You know what I don't get? YOU ... unless it's crass self-interest (DC crowd, SEIU, etc) or blind faith in government (exactly what this country's founding document was meant to prevent).

Since you probably don't watch Beck, you probably don't know he is, motivations aside, much more shrewd than you think. Today's show he simply juxtaposed words and pictures from "The Left" (including the WAPO) with video and pictures from the event, MLK and more.

And what do you have as retort? TALKING POINTS. AD HOMINEM. SHRILL, INCREASINGLY PATHETIC AND PETTY ANGER.

As usual, I merely read a sample of all the posts, but a fairly large one -- and NOT ONE CONSTRUCTIVE ARGUMENT AGAINST BECK'S AGENDA -- REIGNING IN THE GOVERNMENT TO THE CONSTRAINTS OF THE US CONSTITUTION.

Very revealing.

Well, I too have seen "HATEFUL (of our society, read his books) CRACKPOT (at least as history and economics go." And if you went alllll the way to the back of Beck's crowd, by the monument, and turned 90 degrees right, YOU COULD SEE HIS RESIDENCE.

"We" are coming for you in November, Washinton, DC. "We" -- everywhere else -- are sick and tired of your boll sheet. PERIOD. Cry me a river, Nov. 3rd.

Ha ... ha ... ha.

Posted by: mabarnes66 | September 1, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

pab11111 wrote "Simple example for you: … if you are on a car trip and make a wrong turn --- do you just keep going and hope you get to your destination? The more intelligent and prudent move would be to turn around and return to the right (pun intended) path."

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No -- the more prudent and intelligent move would be to stop and ask for directions or to use a map to find the best way to get back on track.

Going backwards (turning around and retracing ones missteps) is what the right frequently does. And that is what they want to do now. The problem is we can't get back to the 50s from here. Our industrial jobs are gone, our national debt (65% given to us by Reagan and the Bush twins) is sky high, and we are a nation divided by the folks making national issues out of what are -- in reality -- personal choices.

Posted by: Freethotlib | September 1, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

But I am sure I wouldn’t feel respected"

Perhaps most in Tea Klan and beckies, or journalist's seem to not quite get it.. "Respect" is earned and verifiable, opinions and titles are not.

Posted by: amused6 | September 1, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Re: @BigBambu: "[...] most of these folks, in my view, are nothing but a bunch of "states-rights" proponents (they do not like black people or any people of color)."

What in the blue blazes is this supposed to mean? How does "states' rights" have any relation whatsoever to "they do not like black people"? This is inane. It's like if I wrote "They're a bunch of people who think the earth revolves around the sun (they do not like peas and carrots)"

First of all, the United States of America is a federal republic, set up by law (i.e. the Constitution, which was apparently taught on the day you missed back in grade school) to be a Nation made up of independent States, each of whom remained sovereign. The Federal government was granted enumerated powers (defense of the Nation, right to raise an army, right to raise taxes, support of interstate commerce). All other powers not enumerated remained within the sovereign States, each of whom has a Constitution and government of its own.

Those of us in favor of States' Rights (which should be all American citizens, since it's Constitutional law) simply wish to point out and defend the sovereign status of the States. Sometimes (e.g. health care bill, the consequences of poor border defense) we believe that the Federal government oversteps its Constitutional powers. When that happens, we raise our hands and say "HEY, you're outside of your jurisdiction!"

How that has anything to do with race or skin color is beyond my comprehension.

Posted by: ThisIsJohnGaltSpeaking | August 31, 2010 3:28 PM

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I love how all of you Constitutionalists like to overlook that fact that All MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL exept the Slaves, you know, the black ones!! So don't act like you can't see bigbambu's point!!

Posted by: Angryman | September 1, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: BigBambu | August 31, 2010 2:59 PM |Where do you get that the people at Beck's rally don't like black people of people of color? The truth is that conservatives respect blacks, we don't think they need to be shackled anymore by dependence, or be forced to live in degradation waiting for whitey to hand out the jobs, the grades, or decide what the criteria is for getting them. Conservatives by their actions and in their hearts believe that blacks and all minorities are truly equal and capable of discerning opportunity and achieving success by their own merit and willingness to achieve it, the same as everyone else. In essence they don't need your stinking handouts, condescending attitudes masked as pity or the degradation of lowered expectations and false equality just so you can make yourself feel good and pretend that without your help they would never survive.

Posted by: no_USSA | September 1, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Lane must learn that a person's opinion is exactly that. No person has ever lived that expressed an opinion that suited the whole world, and it is not imperative that you please everyone. Some issues are important enough to be correct about, but when you deal with Beck and his ilk a second thought is not warranted.

Posted by: fasm7700 | September 1, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Jealous much? Obama is 100% right in his comments and the followers of Beck are so far to the right they don't deserve more than a simple dismissive "manipulated rabble rousers" comment. In fact that might be giving them more credit than they deserve.

This guy doesn't have to kiss the heinys of those who are closed minded and driven to his destruction no matter what he does.

Posted by: theobserver4 | September 1, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Obama is really at fault here. Beck said that Obama was a man who had a deep-seated hatred of white people, even though Obama himself is one-half white. Then Beck, after accusing the first black President of being a racist, decides to celebrate himself on the same day as their greatest leader gave his greatest speech ever. How sensitive and thoughtful of him. He is truly a giant among men, the kind of deep thinker and deep-hearted man we need to bring us together to solve our many serious problems.

Posted by: charlie3410 | September 1, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Obama's "clinging to guns and religion" comment on the campaign trail is only "notorious" because it upset the people it described and was subsequently elevated to the status of "notorious" by disingenuous politcal opponents and commentators.
Looking past that agenda, lets not forget that he was also perfectly on the mark.

Those are Glenn Beck's fans. Those are the people who came to his event. And "religion and guns" is as good a summation of the vague sense of direction "restoring honor" points to as there seems to be.

No need to disrespect it, it's just not that hard to grasp. As an American, these are my brothers and sisters too. And they are afraid.

The problem with Glenn Beck, and the way in which he hurts our brothers and sisters, is that he helps them feel justified in being afraid, frames their fear in a semi-coherent picture, and creates a sense of unity that makes them all feel better. It would be better to dispel their fear so we could face our real problems rather than the pretend ones (like the President's religion or whatever).

Their fear doesn't help the country. Doesn't help them get a job or fair/affordable health insurance. Does nothing for our soldiers but help chicken-hawk lobbyists and politicians to more easily put them in harms way for corporate interests. But it's not hard to understand.

I'd just prefer that they remember this is "the home of the brave." Progress takes courage.

Posted by: bigfoot1 | September 1, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Many people keep stating that the rally raised $5.5M for charity. Until someone can point me to a link that shows gross revenue - expenses = $5.5M, I have to believe the number is no more credible than the estimate of 300K to 500K people who supposedly attended the rally.

Posted by: tedma | September 1, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

If you think the audience was only "50K who showed up to listen to the Beck rant instead of seeking employment" it's obvious that you didn't see the crowd or hear the message. Hundreds of thousands came to hear a very modest man urge them to honor our military men and women, and look to God for guidance while striving to restore honor (look it up) to our country. Not one hateful word was uttered.

Why do the most hateful, bitter people try to tear down anyone like Beck who expresses a decent thought about the public conduct?

Posted by: OldNavyMan

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I stopped reading at "modest". I'm confident just about everyone else except for the already converted did as well.

Posted by: theobserver4 | September 1, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I laughed out loud when Lane said that the Beck rally was much smaller than the Million Man March. I remember that March and it was a total bust. I do favor a small federal gov't. This is incompatible with Obama's goals. That doesn't make me a racist no matter how much the Kool Aid drinkers want to label me as such. I think the race card is pretty much maxed out by now.

Posted by: happytortuga | September 1, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: charlie3410 | September 1, 2010 11:25 AM "their greatest leader". That is the kind of attitude that Beck was trying to overcome and sorry that you just can't seem to grasp it. MLK was an American leader, period.

Posted by: no_USSA | September 1, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

pab11111 wrote "Simple example for you: … if you are on a car trip and make a wrong turn --- do you just keep going and hope you get to your destination? The more intelligent and prudent move would be to turn around and return to the right (pun intended) path."

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No -- the more prudent and intelligent move would be to stop and ask for directions or to use a map to find the best way to get back on track.

Going backwards (turning around and retracing ones missteps) is what the right frequently does. And that is what they want to do now. The problem is we can't get back to the 50s from here. Our industrial jobs are gone, our national debt (65% given to us by Reagan and the Bush twins) is sky high, and we are a nation divided by the folks making national issues out of what are -- in reality -- personal choices.

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SLAM DUNK

Absolutely brilliant post!

Posted by: theobserver4 | September 1, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

How cute Krauthammer has a protege in Lane.

Posted by: areyousaying | September 1, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Freehotlib:
"No -- the more prudent and intelligent move would be to stop and ask for directions or to use a map to find the best way to get back on track."

Its my example. If you make a wrong turn you can simply turn around. You KNOW you made a wrong turn. We have the map --- just made a mistake --- don't need to ask the Government for directions, the People know the way. Now go sit in the backseat so you can try to drive from there like all Progressives.

Posted by: pab11111 | September 1, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

The last refuge of Glenn Beck Christians:

Obama is in favor of abortion--tearing up little babies in their mothers' wombs. And he said that he yearns for people to see that homosexual relations are just as great as normal marriage.

He is one messed-up fellow.

Posted by: fraudbust2011

Krauthammer has taught Lane well to defend these Rovian lies and smears. Glenn Beck Christians have problems with their own 9th Commandment. Fox New is their false God.

Posted by: areyousaying | September 1, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Freethotlib | September 1, 2010 10:53 AM So I guess by having the govt. take over your charity for you pretty much lets you off the hook of 'helping' your brothers and sisters, somehow I doubt the golden rule meant charity by proxy. What's stopping you from donating to a neighborhood clinic or hospital (they all accept donations you know). What's stopping you from donating to a scholarship fund, or helping a non profit that serves veterans. Really, what is stopping you from getting off your butt and helping to solve the nation's problems, I would really like to know, afraid you might have to come face to face with a real person and actually have to interact with them or what?

Posted by: no_USSA | September 1, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Obama's strength is his intelligence. Intelligence is a poor tool against premeditated right wing deviance when that deviance is directed towards people with lower mental abilities for political gain.

Einstein couldn't win a debate against a bird brain if those judging the debate were birds.

Posted by: Emmetrope | September 1, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Well, I almost made it through the first paragraph until I read the "crack-pot" comment (frankly, I think Obama is the crack-pot). Then the Million-Man-March comment threw me (Beck had 100,000 more than the 400,000 MMM estimate). You know, if you really want to learn how the American public feels, stop reading your own newspaper.

Posted by: CogsUSA | September 1, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

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PLEASE!! You only need to compair photos of both events to know that Becks rally was dwarfed by the Million Man March!! Nice try though!!

Posted by: Angryman | September 1, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Well, I almost made it through the first paragraph until I read the "crack-pot" comment (frankly, I think Obama is the crack-pot). Then the Million-Man-March comment threw me (Beck had 100,000 more than the 400,000 MMM estimate). You know, if you really want to learn how the American public feels, stop reading your own newspaper.

Posted by: CogsUSA | September 1, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

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PLEASE!! You only need to compair photos of both events to know that Becks rally was dwarfed by the Million Man March!! Nice try though!!

Posted by: Angryman | September 1, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Glenn Beck to WaPo staff & readers: I <3 my haters.

Posted by: Fr0sty | September 1, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Evangelical Christian Sarah Palin spent Friday night Aug. 27th with (mostly) observant Jews, along with various Christians, including some Amish celebrating a Jewish "Shabbaton".

Then on Saturday she spoke at Beck’s Restoring Honor rally, a rally hosted by a Mormon who emphasized in his remarks on the important role of "churches, synagogues and mosques" in American life. A rally that raised five million dollars for the children of soldiers.

At the same rally, Dave Roever, a Vietnam veteran, offered a closing prayer in which he thanked the Lord for President Obama and for the Democratic-controlled Congress. Despite the huge unpopularity of both… curiously there was no booing or catcalls.

Welcome to today's intolerant, divisive, close-minded, and just plain scary American conservatism.

Who knew ?

Posted by: Petras123 | September 1, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Freehotlib:
"No -- the more prudent and intelligent move would be to stop and ask for directions or to use a map to find the best way to get back on track."

Its my example. If you make a wrong turn you can simply turn around. You KNOW you made a wrong turn. We have the map --- just made a mistake --- don't need to ask the Government for directions, the People know the way. Now go sit in the backseat so you can try to drive from there like all Progressives.

Posted by: pab11111 | September 1, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

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RepubliCONS are the biggest joke ever played on America! They claim they are for smaller government but every modern RepupliCON President has in fact GROWN the Government! Don't believe me, LOOK IT UP!!

Posted by: Angryman | September 1, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

"It’s not the lack of progress, as Obama defines it, which threatens them -- it’s progress"
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Ironically, it is the so-called progressives who have become the staunchest obstacles to progress, rightfully defined as the reduction of economic disparity. Liberals used to believe that science (of both physical and social variety) and an empowered and educated workforce could bring about meaningful and substantive change in the quality of life for the vast majority. But today, the left has abandoned this noble tradition in favor of an anti-corporate dogma (where do they think jobs come from) and an environmental apocryphalism that makes the Christian end-of-days movement appear rational. What happened to the optimism and real progress (as defined above) that we saw at the middle of the last century. It seems to have dissipated into a dark cloud of fatalistic despair mixed with the kind of irrational hatred on display in the rabid comments herein. Lane, with his incoherent rant, and Obama with his telling guns and Bibles remarks, proves how far the so-called progressives have removed themselves from the core values (equality, faith, hard work, individualism, personal responsibility) which used to define the blue collar middle America and which brought us as close as we may ever get to the goals of real progressives.

Posted by: jpat | September 1, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse


Many of these people did vote for Obama... and now they see how misled they were...and AZ law is what Americans WANT...Yeah, y'all don't get it...and you'll be left on the sidelines with the ex-president, and Pelosi and Reed

Posted by: knsuaz | September 1, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Obama and his handlers understand Beck more than most of you do.
Obama is the most intelligent being to ever enter the oval office.
And why shouldn’t he be?
His daddy is the second most intelligent and powerful entity that ever existed!
See you on the plains of Esdraelon Dude!

Posted by: rexreddy | September 1, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

The primary difference between Liberal and Conservative: Liberals would welcome, whole-heartedly, assimilation by the Borg.

Posted by: MikeH0714 | September 1, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

jackmehoffer said He doesn't get Glen Beck because he's not a drooling jobless idiot like the 50k who showed up to listen to Beck's hate rant instead of seeking employment. Stop defending these racist morons, you tool.

Homeboy....if you didnt notice, the rally was on the weekend. The loony left usually has theirs on the weekday since they live off the government. They sleep in on the weekends so they can stand in line at free giveaways during the week

Posted by: biorep1 | September 1, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Obama doesn't get Beck or the majority of Americans because he is an arrogant elitist who believes that he is some kind of messiah. He is indeed a socialist, and a large majority of American strongly reject his "progressive" (socialist) policies and agenda. Yet he arrogantly continues to try to force them upon the people.

The majority is now enraged and engaged, and their wrath will be felt by the arrogant elitists in November.

Posted by: samadams25 | September 1, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

As for charity -- if you're looking for charity from the right you're looking in the wrong place!! The right is against health care, social security, medicare, education assistance, the VA (yes - "W" cut $1 billion from the VA budget his first year in office), and any other program that would benefit the folks that don't have trust funds.
Freethotlib
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You conflate the concepts of charity and government, a confusion which is at the heart of much of the political conflict tearing us apart right now. The purpose and power of the federal government under our system is limited to the preservation of our rights, rights which do not include financial support. The federal government is simply not empowered to take money from one group and give it to another. The federal government is not empowered to provide "educational assistance" ,"free" medical care, retirement benefits and all of the other so-called entitlements you seem to think are its sole reason for existence. In short, the government is not a charity nor should it be. Those in power should not be allowed to buy votes with tax dollars, nor breed the destructive dependency to which your entitlement mentality inevitably leads. Give me liberty and leave the charity to the United Way.

Posted by: jpat | September 1, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Lane calls Glenn Beck a crackpot as compared to Louis FarraCon? FarraCon, along with his minions, Al Sharptongue and Rev. Jesse Jack*ss are the crackpots. The reason there is so much racism in America right now, is because of their racist rants against anybody or anything considered "conservative." They are dividers, pitting Americans against one another. That's how they make their "living." Shame on them!
Al was just jealous that he only had MAYBE 2,000 people as compared to Mr. Beck's 500,000.
BTW, that so-called "million man march" photo has been photoshopped. They had MAYBE 50,000 people total. Stop lying for the racist, left leaning liberals!

Posted by: AmericanPatriot9 | September 1, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

He doesn't get Glen Beck because he's not a drooling jobless idiot like the 50k who showed up to listen to Beck's hate rant instead of seeking employment. Stop defending these racist morons, you tool.

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Wow! You certainly care much for hate, do you now? :)

Posted by: rohit57 | September 1, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Let's see, limited government, a return to individual responsibility, restoring liberty and freedom are "dumb" ideas because that was the message at the rally.

Let's see some of Obama's great ideas:
Cash for clunkers, home buying credit.GM bailout

Just brilliant. Unsustainable handouts designed to buy votes\or pander to a special interest (the UAW) And these are the intelligent liberal policy. Next you will be saying that raising taxes will help the economy.

Posted by: truth2141 | September 1, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

It would be interesting to see which rally had the higher average income. Becks or Sharptons. I'll bet Becks crowd is 2x Sharptons and I would also bet that number of welfare attendees are 2x at least for Sharpton.

So the high acheivers who fend for themselves are the idiots? Only in the oh so intelligent liberal mind.

Posted by: truth2141 | September 1, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

This is a very entertaining. I love watching Dems in meltdown. You people have lost all ability to reason. I can't wait to see what your "thinking" is after the election.
-I can see November from my house.

Posted by: johneb | September 1, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I doubt that this dummy writer has ever watched the Glenn Beck show.

Posted by: apyramido3 | September 1, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Intersting point. I don't watch Beck every day, maybe once a week but that's still a lot of shows. I have yet to see any racism or hate speech.

Hint calling someone a communist or socialist is not hate speech if that someone publicly states he is a communist (ie Van Jones).

If you want to confiscate wealth from people and then redistribute to other people that is socialism. Calling a "spread the wealth around guy" a socialist is not hate speech it's the truth.

Posted by: truth2141 | September 1, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Who said Obama doesn't 'get' Beck? Not a single person on the Left 'doesn't get Beck". Beck hates the america envisioned by the Left and as such is an enemy of the Left. What is there to 'not get'? This whole notion of Obama being some innocent young idealistic school kid not understanding his enemy is ludicrous. For the record, it is the people on Right who don't understand Obama and Left at all. For example, they think that 'obama failed' and 'obama is fooliish' and 'obama is naive' and such things . Well, his goals are diametrically opposite to what a people would want an american president to have. But he IS succeeding spectacularly at HIS goals. By hook or by crook. Mostly by the latter. He ain't 'naive', he ain't 'foolish', his policies didn't 'fail' HIM (although they did, as designed, fail america, but that is a separate matter). In the arena of american politics, if there is ONE person who knows what he is doing, and is doing it well, it is Obama.

Posted by: SECREV | September 1, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

A reasonable column. Barking mad comments from the fever swamp left. Par for the course.

Posted by: masonjahr | September 1, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

So cash for clunkers was a success and was sound economic policy. Obama does good?

Ditto the home purchase credit?

Raising taxes and having government centrally plan our economic recovery is preferrable to tax cuts and allowing private industry and individuals use those funds to lift us out of the recession.

Obama knows what he is doing really?

Obama better start getting it soon or he will join the unemployed.

Posted by: truth2141 | September 1, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Have to agree with this writer that Obama is always in defend, defend, defend mode and, like just about every other politician, can't pass up an opportunity to either defend his POV or bash the opposition.

Only problem is that Obama, like most of his crack crew of advisors, still hasn't woke up to the fact the job of a President is not to politick so much but to govern.

He has slipped into this behavioral mode far too many time for it to be accidental; the constant references to the mess he inherited "from the Bush Administration" and the constant reminders about how sick the economy is because of "failed Republican policies" both have the effect of reminding the nation to continue looking backwards and lose focus on the present and future. I wish Barack Obama could himself "turn the page" and move on to governing with some degree of competence instead of being so worried the loyal opposition might be scoring a few more spin points with the electorarte than he is. For heaven's sake he is the President with the biggest bully pulpit known to man and he chooses to use it by not so subtly reminding us of how things were rather than pushing us to accept how things might be with a little more vision and a bit less political posturing. To date he has easily and frequently deferred the mantle of leadership to the Nancy and Harry show rather than act as the leader of his party. Why? Is he truly attempting to gain consensus among his own party or is he simply afraid to confront their bad ideas lest he lose some credibility among the,so called, progressives most of whom are more concerned about advancing an idelogical agenda than solving the nation's obvious problems of economic malaise, open borders and two ill advised wars which are, literlly, bleeding the nation dry.

He will soon have all the opportunity in the world to defend his policies and actions as the election of 2012 will begin immediately after November. Then a lot of Republicans are going to be reminding him of the failed Obama stimulus and the health care reform bill which is not saving the people a penny but has added another trillion dollar entitleent program to our already obscene deficits. Let's see if continuing to blame Bush works to explain that?

Posted by: bobfbell | September 1, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

"Why couldn’t Obama at least find it within himself to say that he shared the rally’s ostensible goals of honoring the military, etc.?"

Because he'd already hit his 'lie quota' for the day and couldn't tell another one.

Posted by: JustJoe3 | September 1, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I will say that it surprises me how much ignorant hate there is on the left. You sit there and claim Beck is a hateful crackpot with racist followers. how can you say that? How do you know? did you watch it? were you there? No, there was no hate, you are the haters and the ignorant. No wonder Dems will fail going forward, you are the ones that you speak about here. You are the closed minded individuals with no intellect to see and acknowledge others, you are the ones that judge before you watch. NY Times, Al Sharpton, etc, all predicted what you said, and all have had to backpeddle and admit they were wrong. No, the left is really showing the world that they are the 21st century version of the old ignorant redneck. Way to go guys, get ready to be slaughtered at the polls.

Posted by: maross600 | September 1, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

The name-calling and character assassination employed by the Left is staggering. It is represented in the majority of the posts here.

And you people genuinely believe you're intellectually and morally superior to those with whom you disagree. How ironic.

Your posts share a common trait. They are vicious and hate-filled.

Fortunately, your hateful hubris will defeat you. The U.S., and the world, will be better off for that.

Posted by: dcmcalpine | September 1, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

What? Glenn Beck a "loathsome leader"? Have you EVER listened to him, or watched his TV show for the entire show? My bet is you haven't. I'm a Democrat and an old-school liberal, and I DO listen to him. There are things he says that I decidedly do not agree with, but there are others I definitely do. But, in all that he has said while I've lsitened, I've yet to hear him do any hate-mongering, race-baiting or the like of any kind.

Posted by: darkmatter1 | September 1, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Beck is a pig.
If you listen to Beck or support Beck, you also are a pig.
Beck is a racist.
If you listen to Beck or support Beck, you also are a racist.
Beck is stupid.
If you listen to Beck or support Beck, you also are stupid.

Pretty simple. Really.

Posted by: strictly_liberal | September 1, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

The President shares very little common ground with the majority of Americans, across all ethnic and economic backgrounds. From his experiences growing up to his educational and political background, he really isn't one of us. He doesn't get the Beck rally because he fundamentally doesn't share their understanding of what it means to be American. In fact, I think that he's one of the most un-American Presidents in history, out of touch with our shared values and demonstrably uncomfortable with American exceptionalism, power and prerogatives.

Posted by: LHS2 | September 1, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

This is for Darkmatter1 and all of the other Beck pigs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K8R2PDmbmA

real classy guy. I mean Pig.

Posted by: strictly_liberal | September 1, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

jpat wrote "The federal government is simply not empowered to take money from one group and give it to another. The federal government is not empowered to provide "educational assistance" ,"free" medical care, retirement benefits and all of the other so-called entitlements you seem to think are its sole reason for existence. In short, the government is not a charity nor should it be. Those in power should not be allowed to buy votes with tax dollars, nor breed the destructive dependency to which your entitlement mentality inevitably leads. Give me liberty and leave the charity to the United Way."

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The federal government is simply not empowered to take money from one group and give it to another? WOW!!

Great idea!! And how do you view farm subsidies and the $14 billion in subsidies given to the oil industry by "W"?

As for educational assistance - your view is so right wing (narrow minded, selfish, and ignorant). I'm a vet, I served four years with two in a combat zone, and I still serve when needed. Do you truly believe that I am not entitled to educational benefits? If so, perhaps my patriotism is truly without value to you on the right and perhaps next time I'm needed I'll just say that "I have other priorities". Give you liberty? You have no concept of the cost of that gift we were given by the Founders.

As for buying votes - what do you think "W" was doing with his tax cuts?

Posted by: Freethotlib | September 1, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

My family and many of my closest friends live far outside the beltway and they are shocked to hear of the hatred that is spewed on a daily basis by both left and right around here. I know both Liberals and Conservatives who are afraid to "out" themselves in their communities because they are afraid of being driven out by the hatred of the other side. We need leaders in this country, not politicians, who will open a conversation instead of cow-towing to whatever base they feel will elect them. This was a balanced piece that everyone is only seeing opposition in. Open your minds, people, you might be shocked what you see and hear and learn.

Posted by: cooprego1 | September 1, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Thought Mr. Lane had a point though most of his post until he got to "It’s not the lack of progress, as Obama defines it, which threatens them -- it’s progress."

Lane, you put all the facts on the table & then drew precisely the wrong conclusion.

It's not lack of progress that is moving people to attend Beck's and the TEA party rallies. It's that everything Obama and the Democrats are holding out as signs of progress are simply NOT. It's all evidence of willful destruction & decay, not progress.

Posted by: Z00tSuit | September 1, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I would like to be able to say that Obama doesn't get IT, but I know for a fact that he does. The problem is that his IT is different from that of the American people. Obama's goal is to re-make this country in the image of the failing socialist-liberal governments in Europe. His goal is to dismantle America's dominance to make the way easier for other Socialist despots and would-be dictators around the world to "transform" (pronounced "rape") their own country into a socialist utopia (read "totalitarian dystopia"). The thing I think that Obama REALLY doesn't get is that there are many more people who are standing in his way than he guessed. This is typical of a narsicistic elitist. He thinks that he is great and that only he and his elitist buddies knows best. When Mao said that true power comes from the barrel of a gun...he meant that the kind of power HE wanted (total and absolute) could only be achieved with the help of the military or armed insurrection. Thank God that the founders had the foresight to create a relatively weak executive branch...otherwise with the seemingly ever-widening powers of the President, we might have already reached the despot or dictator stage by now. Our other great salvation has been that the office of President has largely been held by Christian men who desired the best for their country over their own self interest. Unfortunately, with the election of BHO, we now have a chief executive who is neither a Christian, nor a man who views his role as a champion of American values and defender of the Constitution. When BHO allowed his justice dept. to sue Arizona over their immigration law...I knew that we had crossed the line and were now headed towards despotism. Rush is right, we no longer have an administration, we have a regiem. Fortunately, this is NOT what the American people want and in November part of the problem (Congress) will be corrected, and then in 2012 we will put BHO out of office.

Posted by: bigd1968 | September 1, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Who gets to label hateful crackpots? How do you learn to label hateful crackpots. Gee, I'd love to start labeling.

Posted by: kurtmudgeon1 | September 1, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

>"Why couldn’t Obama at least find it within himself to say that he shared the rally’s ostensible goals of honoring the military, etc.?""

That wouldn't satisfy your pettiness. You'd complain that he didn't honor apple pie, or mention the flag or something else.


"This was such a silly political unforced error that I have to assume Obama committed it out of sincere belief."

Based on what? According to whose standards? Yours? You base an assumption on this??? You assume the truth of your conclusion which can't demonstrate itself as being true. That's a completely irrational comment to make. I have to assume that your employers were drunk when they hired you.

"He is not a Marxist or even a socialist. But he is what you might call a historical materialist, in that he clearly thinks economic trends are the main determinants of political thought and behavior."<

This is a contradiction. You've already stated that Obama is not a Marxist or socialist and yet you claim that he subscribes to historicism. The very thing that Marx believed in. Marx tried to reduce all thoughts and ideas to economic conditions It's called Economism and it is the view that our policy decisions should ultimately be based upon their expected
economic consequences. And it is, in the present context, the view that we should not value freedom as an end in itself, but primarily as a means to prosperity.

The most obvious proponents of economism are economic reductionists,or Free Marketeers who believe that all facts, interests, and goals can ultimately
be defined in economic terms—or, in other words, those are the only things that exist. Marx is probably the best-known proponent of this view, and the prevalence of economism in contemporary thought is largely due to his influence.

Hayek held that freedom is important first and foremost for its economic consequences. But do we base the rejection of tyranny simply on economic arguments?

What is at issue here is the relative value of freedom and economic prosperity. It is a matter of priority, or what comes first. The question is whether we should value freedom because freedom is valuable or because it is profitable—whether we should regard it as an end in itself that is valuable for its own sake, or as a means to economic prosperity that
we may dispense with if and when it no longer works to achieve its end.

Posted by: Adagio4639 | September 1, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

LOL

You're asking a narcissist to empathize with another person's viewpoint?

How silly.

Posted by: ButterflyDragon | September 1, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

LOL

You're asking a narcissist to empathize with another person's viewpoint?

How silly.

Posted by: ButterflyDragon | September 1, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

"To counter it effectively, Obama must first comprehend it. "

he comprehends it just fine.

populist rabble-rousers who stir the emotions of the easily-lead by directing the people's resentments onto innocent Others are as common as clay.

that he didn't come right out and say "Shame on you Mr Beck and Mrs Palin for continuing to perpetuate and engender this xenophobic, WASPy hatred towards other Americans" is a credit to his political skills, not an "unforced error".

Posted by: smallest | September 1, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

>"Obama's goal is to re-make this country in the image of the failing socialist-liberal governments in Europe."<

That's his goal huh. And you can demonstrate the truth of that claim? You are making an absolute statement here. This according to you, IS his goal.Did Obama tell you this? Most likely this is an opinion you have that can't be demonstrated as true. But then truth isn't a something that you actually value is it? If it was you'd know that you can't make a statement like that and demonstrate how it's true. You make an authoritative statement. "Obama's goal is to re-make this country in the image of the failing socialist-liberal governments in Europe". On who's authority do you justify that statement? The problem that you and most conservative types have is with making statements that use what is called a universal quantifier. You make absolute statements which assume the truth of their conclusions. That a logical fallacy. If writers assume as evidence for their argument the very conclusion they are attempting to prove, they engage in the fallacy of begging the question. The most common form of this fallacy is when the first claim is initially loaded with the very conclusion one has yet to prove. So...now that we know that you're statement is illogical where do you go from here?

Posted by: Adagio4639 | September 1, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I quit reading after the loathsome comparison of Glenn Beck to Louis Farrakhan. Just as millions of Americans have quit listening to Obama due to his constant cheap shots impugning his opponents' motives and his ludicrous straw man arguments.

How gracious of Hussein, who voted against funding our troops in Iraq, to acknowledge last night that Bush loves his country and our armed forces! Who would have guessed? I can't wait until November.

Posted by: eoniii | September 1, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Okay. 1st of all, that was not a rally to "honor the military." Rather, it was Beck's egomaniacal exhibition of his appeal to far right conservatives, poorly disguised as a non-political rally yet partnered with $arah. His motive was totally meant to bring fear to non-Beckian/Palinistas of their November Armageddon. 2ndly, with regards to your opening sentence, if hate is what you're selling, then is it incorrect to assume that the throngs of buyers with cash-in-hand are in the market for it? And 3rd, prancing around wearing 3-Cornered hats with tea bags taped all over you and hanging from your ear lobes somewhat lends itself to being "disrespected," or at the very least, not taken too seriously. (Taking Beck or Palin seriously pretty much ends with the same result.) And last - what is this "...loss of 'traditional' American values" and “'restoration' of spiritual and cultural greatness" you speak of? That's about as clear as mud to me, so I wouldn't fault the President if he doesn't "get it." My sense is that you're being critical of the President's response to the question, however, given the subject matter, how serious is the question...are you really saying that the President should spend more than a moment's thought on Glenn Beck?

Posted by: USA4ALL | September 1, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Shoot, fella' you actually get paid a salary to produce such stupid brain farts? How can I sign up for such a gig that allows me not to think or be objective?

And, I happen to agree with Glen Beck.

He is nothing but a rodeo clown.

Posted by: kuvasz | September 1, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Lane: I disagree with you when you state that "none of them voted for you and none of them ever would vote for you, whatever you do" ----
BECAUSE sadly many of those folks DID vote for Obama, they now feel duped/betrayed and oh yeah -- they're called "Independents" or didn't you know????
Secondly: you hit the nail on the head. When the President said: "anxious member of a “certain” subculture manipulated -- “stirred up” -- by “somebody like a Mr. Beck.”
See - that's WHY there are now so many Independents that no longer support him. He thinks they're all idiots. November elections can't come soon enough, then on to 2012.

Posted by: ReneesOpinion | September 1, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Our President doesn't "get" quite a few things. Priority number 1, the economy, for instance.

I don't care about Beck, but he certainly seems to be hitting a nerve with Obama and those that support him. In fact, it is Democrats and liberals that seem to want to talk about Beck the most.

As for those conservatives in my own circles, educated and experienced, we do not need Glenn Beck to point out the errors of Obama's ways. We see them plainly already.

Posted by: primegrop | September 1, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Okay. 1st of all, that was not a rally to "honor the military." Rather, it was Beck's egomaniacal exhibition of his appeal to far right conservatives, poorly disguised as a non-political rally yet partnered with $arah. His motive was totally meant to bring fear to non-Beckian/Palinistas of their November Armageddon. 2ndly, with regards to your opening sentence, if hate is what you're selling, then is it incorrect to assume that the throngs of buyers with cash-in-hand are in the market for it? And 3rd, prancing around wearing 3-Cornered hats with tea bags taped all over you and hanging from your ear lobes somewhat lends itself to being "disrespected," or at the very least, not taken too seriously. (Taking Beck or Palin seriously pretty much ends with the same result.) And last - what is this "...loss of 'traditional' American values" and “'restoration' of spiritual and cultural greatness" you speak of? That's about as clear as mud to me, so I wouldn't fault the President if he doesn't "get it." My sense is that you're being critical of the President's response to the question, however, given the subject matter, how serious is the question...are you really saying that the President should spend more than a moment's thought on Glenn Beck?

Posted by: USA4ALL | September 1, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Okay. 1st of all, that was not a rally to "honor the military." Rather, it was Beck's egomaniacal exhibition of his appeal to far right conservatives, poorly disguised as a non-political rally yet partnered with $arah. His motive was totally meant to bring fear to non-Beckian/Palinistas of their November Armageddon. 2ndly, with regards to your opening sentence, if hate is what you're selling, then is it incorrect to assume that the throngs of buyers with cash-in-hand are in the market for it? And 3rd, prancing around wearing 3-Cornered hats with tea bags taped all over you and hanging from your ear lobes somewhat lends itself to being "disrespected," or at the very least, not taken too seriously. (Taking Beck or Palin seriously pretty much ends with the same result.) And last - what is this "...loss of 'traditional' American values" and “'restoration' of spiritual and cultural greatness" you speak of? That's about as clear as mud to me, so I wouldn't fault the President if he doesn't "get it." My sense is that you're being critical of the President's response to the question, however, given the subject matter, how serious is the question...are you really saying that the President should spend more than a moment's thought on Glenn Beck?

Posted by: USA4ALL | September 1, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse


Beck's "I have a scheme" rally fills a void in the Republican party. Time for some new blood. Problem is they made lots of promises in 1992 but all we got was Tom Delay and Jack Abramoff.

Posted by: kkrimmer | September 1, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Obama doesn't get Beck because Obama has really very little understanding of how the world works in general. More relevant for the next few Novembers, is the fact that Beck and most of the people who showed up for his rally get Obama.Perfectly

Posted by: diana11777 | September 1, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Spoke to a career DC Fireman this morning. He said Beck ralliers were the "nicest" they've EVER encountered on the Mall. Fire personnel were thanked by average folks for their service throughout the rally. They even picked up after themselves. [Grade: A+]

Conversely, he said Sharpton made alot of enemies-- in his own ranks! Sharpton marched elderly and infirm folks 1.5 miles in the August heat (against repeated warnings from City officials). Many needed emergency assistance, wheelchairs recharged on fire appartus, etc. Those that endured, complained bitterly that Sharpton misled them about the length of his long march to nowhere. Perfect metaphor for Obamanomics. [Grade: F-]

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | September 1, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Hate to break it to you but the Beck rally was much larger than the "way less than a million man march". And it has become clear to EVERYONE with a brain that it is the lefty loons who are closed minded bigotted hate filled violent and frankly rather stupid. Their journalist have to form a group of 400 to come up with a single idea...their followers have no brains and simply take their voting and marching orders from their union bosses or the journolisters or whoever happens to be standing in front of them at the time. A pathetic group really!

Posted by: caseoftheblues1 | September 1, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

"He is not a Marxist or even a socialist."

AHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

You liberals are sooooo strange. Denying that Obama is "not a Marxist or even a socialist" given the evidence, is analogus to saying he isn't a black man.

Posted by: TheJackal2 | September 1, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

I've been waiting patiently all month for the ACLU to denounce the "chilling effect" on the 1st Amendment exerted by Pelosi's hamfisted attempt to intimidate the American citizenry and inhibit folks from freely expressing their dissent.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/114773-pelosi-new-yorkers-should-decide-in-ginned-up-mosque-controversy

But it's barely September, maybe they're all still on summer vacation over at ACLU-HQ?

I'm sure they'll all be chiming in on Pelosi's "MCCARTHYISM!" any time now, you betcha.

*crickets chirp*

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | September 1, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Okay. 1st of all, that was not a rally to "honor the military." Rather, it was Beck's egomaniacal exhibition of his appeal to far right conservatives, poorly disguised as a non-political rally yet partnered with $arah. His motive was totally meant to bring fear to non-Beckian/Palinistas of their November Armageddon. 2ndly, with regards to your opening sentence, if hate is what you're selling, then is it incorrect to assume that the throngs of buyers with cash-in-hand are in the market for it? And 3rd, prancing around wearing 3-Cornered hats with tea bags taped all over you and hanging from your ear lobes somewhat lends itself to being "disrespected," or at the very least, not taken too seriously. (Taking Beck or Palin seriously pretty much ends with the same result.) And last - what is this "...loss of 'traditional' American values" and “'restoration' of spiritual and cultural greatness" you speak of? That's about as clear as mud to me, so I wouldn't fault the President if he doesn't "get it." My sense is that you're being critical of the President's response to the question, however, given the subject matter, how serious is the question...are you really saying that the President should spend more than a moment's thought on Glenn Beck?

Posted by: USA4ALL | September 1, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

[TheJackal2: "analogus to saying {Obama} isn't a black man."]

...or a Muslim.

People believe Obama is Muslim because he was a practicing Muslim. This matters because Obama is now what Islamic law calls a murtadd (apostate), an ex-Muslim converted to another religion-- who (under sharia law) is subject to the most severe penalties. Obama's apostate status clearly has enormous implications for his relationship with the Muslim world.

Confirmed: Barack Obama Practiced Islam
http://www.danielpipes.org/5354/confirmed-barack-obama-practiced-islam

In sum: The cited evidence demonstrates that Obama was an irregularly practicing Muslim who rarely or occasionally prayed with his step-father in a mosque. This precisely substantiates the assertion that Obama for some years had a reasonably Muslim upbringing under the auspices of his Indonesian step-father.

Therefore, what Quislings consider a media falsehood is in fact confirmed by evidence as truthful and accurate. The fact that so few understand this about Obama is a testimony to the Obamedia puppets disinformation and denial campaigns.

Denying Obama's Muslim heritage is in itself a falsehood.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | September 1, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, Farakhan....the evidence is pretty clear that crackpots follow crackpots.

Posted by: hz9604 | September 1, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Beck is a pig.
If you listen to Beck or support Beck, you also are a pig.
Beck is a racist.
If you listen to Beck or support Beck, you also are a racist.
Beck is stupid.
If you listen to Beck or support Beck, you also are stupid.

Pretty simple. Really.

Posted by: strictly_liberal

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Well it looks like the left is starting their rationalizations in preparation for the Democrats' potential shellacking in November.

Here's a clue for the totally clueless: Harold Meyerson has a column on union efforts at outreach to white middle class voters and instead of insulting and demeaning people they're trying to market Democratic candidates to those who might have been at the rally.

Posted by: bbface21 | September 1, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

what Mr. Lane, Mr. Obama & the many obnoxious posters here will never get is the vast majority of their fellow citizens who believe that America and all of our ways, values, etc. are by a long shot better than any other system, set of values, etc. that we see in the world. that includes our capitalist economic system which has delivered far more true progress in the last 100 years than the rest of the world's progress combined. When progressives talk about progress today, they aren't talking about making peoples' lives better eg delivering all the things in our modern lives that we take so much for granted. These folks really see progress making the vast majority do & live as they want us to, not as we want. They see Americans as not entitled to live the lives we have today. That many of us need to do worse so a few can do better. they see progress as taking the fruits of some people's labor & handing it to others who they decide deserve it more. I fully believe we have to have social safety nets, to help those who need help - but is is to help them stand on their own not become permanent wards. I belive that I am my brother's keeper but I am not his slave & he is not my master.

Posted by: WJD_CLE_OHIO | September 1, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Spoke to a career DC Fireman this morning. He said Beck ralliers were the "nicest" they've EVER encountered on the Mall. Fire personnel were thanked by average folks for their service throughout the rally. They even picked up after themselves. [Grade: A+]

Conversely, he said Sharpton made alot of enemies-- in his own ranks! Sharpton marched elderly and infirm folks 1.5 miles in the August heat (against repeated warnings from City officials). Many needed emergency assistance, wheelchairs recharged on fire appartus, etc. Those that endured, complained bitterly that Sharpton misled them about the length of his long march to nowhere. Perfect metaphor for Obamanomics. [Grade: F-]

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst
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This bears repeating.

The huge Beck crowd was made up of people who love this country, including many retired military. They were no more angry than a church picnic.

The Sharpton crowd, to use the word loosely, was the usual group of professional victims augmented by Arnie Duncan, our Secretary of Education, and the bureaucrats he had urged to attend in a department announcement.

Even Sharpton acknowledged that the Beck people were polite and friendly to his marchers. There were no incidents or reported crimes at the entire event.

Posted by: eoniii | September 1, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

To jakemehoffer-- First of all, cute e-mail moniker. How's your blood pressure doing? How's your blood pressure going to be after election day in Nov. when real Americans (what you and your ilk would call racists, bigots, homophobes, islamophobes, tea baggers, gun toters, bible readers, retards, etc.)vote out parts the WORST administration in this county's history? There's a storm coming masterbater. Sit back and watch history being made my friend.

Posted by: jellymon | September 1, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

No, the POTUS doesn't get The Great White Shrike, but someone will. Someone with a 30.06 and the skill to knock a fieldmouse's eye out at 200 yds.

[A shrike is a bird with a vicious beak that preys on smaller birds (and rodents) and tends to hang the corpses on the thorns and spikes of indigenous field cover. The irony of this shouldn't be overlooked: Jesus on the Cross, thorny crown. - Ed.]

To you saps who contend, defend, and offend re: this dry-drunk carnival barker, let me bring up a name that I heard often in my youth: Joe McCarthy. Not the Yankee's Joe McCarthy. Or Charlie McCarthy, the ventriloquist, Candice Bergen's daddy. Not Jenny, the surgically-enhanced MTV ditz. Senator Joe McCarthy. Not Eugene, the dove pol. of the 70s.

If The Great White Shrike calls anyone to mind, it's the disgraced former junior Senator from Wisconsin who inflamed and investigated anyone, everyone during his reign of terror in the days of Truman and Eisenhower (the first GOP POTUS in 20 years). Ol' drunken Joe saw Communists everywhere in the Federal Government, the military, and even some Christian faiths. He was anti-Black and anti-Jew (hugely). He urged librarians to cleanse their shelves of any literature that remotely touched on subjects he thought would poison the minds of impressionable Americans. He investigated the US Army and infuriated members of his own party. He fought with the press and bullied witnesses to the point where they would break down testifying during his infamous (pointless) witch hunts.

His voice and self-directed mandate to uncover and expose the threat of Communism in America's most sanctified buildings were televised on a tiny little black and white screen so many households were new to watching. His name was everywhere, his accusations more sensational and frightening with each passing day. He scared the bejeezus out of millions of everyday folks. Kids were afraid to go to sleep at night for fear that a Russian "monster" was under the bed. People began to eye each other suspiciously as opposed to remembering their long friendships and business relationships. The Big Red Scare. Atom bombs, poisoned food, dangerous gasses, secret agents...

But, McCarthy had the pulpit (TV) and a LARGE audience of sheep. Riveting broadcasting, if Congressional hearings are your thing. He knew it, too. He played it like a fine violin. His supporting cast was a bunch of sinister lackies and political hacks. The Capitol was held hostage by this chap for the better part of 4-5 years. Shhhhhhh, there's a Commie behind every door.

You might've heard this before: "Have you left no sense of decency, sir?" A Senate colleague, long tired of Joe's hunting, finally burst his bubble. The charade was over. McCarthy died in '57 of hepatitus & acute alcoholism. An iconic figure, no doubt, a must read about if you're looking for someone to compare the GWS to. You know, Saturday's boy wonder? With a bullet-proof vest? Trust, faith, and America.

Posted by: kickoradell | September 1, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

After this rally the capital grounds were clean.

Leftists leave dirty diapers and trampled Americans flags behind.

How do the leftists who organize their rallies look out over a sea of garbage and discarded flags and just walk away? It says something about them, and this phenomenon is a microcosm of their affect on society as a whole.

Posted by: GregBuls1 | September 1, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Why Obama and Mr. Lane don't get Mr. Beck is because they have absolutely no idea how the non-liberal elite still love their country in spite of what the liberal elite are trying to do to it. Should they one day get out of Washington and away from their support group of people who have a distorted view of this country based on their liberal education they might one day understand how the vast majority feel about this great nation. Credit card companies didn't destroy the economy, Wall Street didn't destroy the economy, the best health care system in the world didn't destroy the economy, liberals pushing "affordable housing" for anyone who wanted to buy a home destroyed the economy. I challenge anyone to explain how the collapse happened without sub prime loans.

Has Glenn Beck ever accused a doctor of cutting off a limb because he makes more money doing that than treating the disease? Our president said that! Has Glenn Beck ever said I don't know any of the details but the Cambridge police acted stupidly? Our president has! Has Glenn Beck ever said I've listened to a lot of scientists so I can find out who's ass to kick? Our president has! Has Glenn Beck ever lied about his church, his pastor and his association with unrepentant terrorists? Our president has! Has Glenn Beck ever called the president a racist? Yes he has because he is! Unfortunately, Mr. Beck apologized for it.

The post by strictly_liberal pretty much defines how liberals defend what is indefensible. They just name call.

Posted by: tostlund | September 1, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

@strictly_liberal,
OK, your point is ... what? So, he said he believes that Obama is a racist. Personally, as a minority member (and yes, I have the card to prove it, being Native American) and a liberal of the old, decidedly non-"progressive" variety, I think there is rather good evidence that Obama has some deep-seated racist tendencies. But, because Beck sees this in Obama, you call him a "pig". How classy and utterly beside the point. Here are two more recent episodes that support the conclusion that Obama has certain racist tendencies.

A Black man is arrested at his home subsequent to a report of a possible break-in attempt. Obama's reaction before getting all the facts? He injects the idea that the question of race AND leaps to conclude that the police behaved "stupidly". Such behavior is at least prejudicial in character, and the injection of race indicative of a race-based predisposition to see racism in others' actions.

A video of a Black woman, who happens to be a Federal employee, showing that woman telling a racially charged story (but omitting the "teachable moment") makes the rounds of the Internet. The White House sees this as damaging, and with out taking the time determine any of the pertinent facts, sees to it that the women is forced to resign, and puts out that they found the story inappropriate, wrong, etc., and didn't want to see this that night on Beck's TV show, with hints that they had to defuse a racial attack. A bit thinner to some, as evidence goes, but it shows that the White House, and Obama as the President, are prone to see things in racial terms, and will, as before, act in a prejudicial manner, rather than determining the facts of a situation.

So, is Obama an overt racist? Not really. In public, he usually speaks in conciliatory terms. But, his actions belie his words as he consistently responds prejudicially, seeing racial overtones before investigating facts.

You call Beck a "pig". I'm not only not convinced, having actually watched and listened to him, I think Beck is less likely to be a racist than you are. He is certainly less like to speak of others in terms of hatred and intolerance than you are. I'd even make a guess that I'd like him personally more than I'd like you, should the meetings ever occur. And there is a lot I disagree with Beck about.

Your comment, your link to a video, your attitude ... don't speak well of you. Find a mirror, and start re-examining your attitude towards others, and your beliefs. You might not change, but you just might learn something.

Posted by: darkmatter1 | September 1, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

"Restoring Honor"? Beck is a front for those who wish to go back to the Bush years, or worse. At least that's what he seems to be. Let's take him at his word. Beck says he is really just an entertainer. Rush Limbaugh says the same thing. Keep that in mind, and consider getting your serious news from non-corporate controlled sources. Democracy Now, Link TV, Free Speech TV, Thom Hartmann, Randi Rhodes and many others who are less beholden to the large corporations and their agendas.

Posted by: Exegete | September 1, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Tostlund:

Not to be confused with the fine Scandinavian surname "Tostlund." Are you the creepy individual with a website from 2004 saying your interests include casualties, anything anti-flag, and pursuit of total alcoholism? Or did you scam it off "Newsbusters?" Xanga, perhaps?

So, any original teeth and what part of Appalachia are you stealing internet service from? Is the hospital aware that you snuck into the library during smoke time to jump in here?

Having read your post, I'm wondering what part of your cerebellum survived the boulder attack on you that you'd consider yourself a "non-liberal ELITE?" Clues?

Git out there to the back forty, Goober, and finish your chores. Supper's ready at dusk. And stop damming up the crick so you can diddle them beavers. Yee-haw!

Oh, you're DEFINITELY a candidate for Beck Magazine's Cretan of the Month.

Posted by: kickoradell | September 1, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

And you fail to comprehend the enigma codes of dissension, divisiveness, and sedition.

Posted by: hakafos44 | September 1, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

[GregBuls1 observed: "Leftists leave dirty diapers and trampled Americans flags behind."]

FLASHBACK: Post-Barackalyptic Wasteland
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMrJE7J3fWU

FLASHFORWARD: National Mall Left Spotless After Beck Rally
http://www.breitbart.tv/national-mall-left-spotless-after-beck-rally/

mm, mm, mmm!

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | September 1, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I see from the new Buick ads that tax payer's money (Stimulus Bucks) is being proudly spent on German Engineers to design the new Buicks. Will US Tax Payers get a discount on a new Buick ? Thanks GM and President Obama. You make the US engineers very proud. Thanks for standing by us.

Posted by: richard36 | September 1, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Reagan jacked up the deficit in this country by quadrupling the defense budget. Then Clinton became prez and the gop went bat-sh** and made a contract with america to get the budget balanced.

Then Bush jacked up the deficit and now the gop is going bat-sh** again on Obama.

These old white people sure have bad memories.

Posted by: tmcproductions2004 | September 1, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Pretty much these are regurgitations of the same people who have been troubled by the loss of our American values since April 1865. I am unimpressed. They should tend to the beams in their own eyes and not the specks in their neighbors eyes.

Posted by: kchses1 | September 1, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

The right doesn't own "supporting the troops". Maybe, tohara1, you should examine why, as a representative of the left, you think of it as "schtick".

Posted by: fallenstar2005 | September 1, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

President Obama is most certainly no closet marxist, no indeed. They are usually clever,modest, philanthropic,an ally of the truly productive workers, no friend of rich lending institutes or free handouts for the lazy.Enjoying simple lifestyles. Generally people who think deeply to avoid repercussions that may foment revolution. Old prez now, he surely isn't like most of that. Keep ya blinders on, y'all. Time do fly.

Posted by: boblusby | September 1, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, people like me don't understand "traditional American Values" like

1) Rule of Law
2) Consent of the Governed
3) Inalienable right including the right to property, the right of conscience (including the right to freely practice religion in the public square), and the right to liberty in my personal decision making

Did I "imagine" those?

You would have to be historically illiterate to deny those are the "traditional values" Beck is speaking about. Liberal "Progress" is Progress AWAY from those Principles of our founding: Progress toward the rule of men, Progress toward enslaving men and using government to violate their inalienable rights in order to grant largess to others. Progress towards Laws mandating different treatment based on skin color, gender, or "sexual orientation" Does that sound like Progress to you? Do those sound like the principles of "traditional America"?

The only thing "American" about Liberals is their geographic location.

Posted by: Weisshaupt | September 1, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, people like me don't understand "traditional American Values" like

1) Rule of Law
2) Consent of the Governed
3) Inalienable rights including the right to property, the right of conscience (including the right to freely practice religion in the public square), and the right to liberty in my personal decision making

Did I "imagine" those?

You would have to be historically illiterate to deny those are the "traditional values" Beck is speaking about. Liberal "Progress" is Progress AWAY from those Principles of our founding: Progress toward the rule of men, Progress toward enslaving men and using government to violate their inalienable rights in order to grant largess to others. Progress towards Laws mandating different treatment based on skin color, gender, or "sexual orientation" Does that sound like Progress to you? Do those sound like the principles of "traditional America"?

The only thing "American" about Liberals is their geographic location.

Posted by: Weisshaupt | September 1, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

$6 million was raised for the children of deceased Special Forces. It was a gathering of about 500,000 on a beautiful day in a historic place in DC. They celebrated patriotism , heard some music and prayers and a call to personal spiritual renewal on the concepts of faith, hope and charity. They left the place cleaner than they found it.
If you think something is wrong with that the problem is in you not those who attended.
If you still persist in calling those attendees , who you do not know, racists, bigots and vile names based on some sexual practice, you really should seek some sort of professional help because you are sick.

Posted by: rfpzzzzz | September 1, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

The amazing thing to me is how much my feelings and opinion toward Barack Obama have changed since I voted for him for President of the United States. I was totally wrong about his allegiances and I certainly did not grasp his true self identity no matter how much he proclaimed to be American. I have found that his allegiances were to ideals totally about changing society. Obama's youth included an islamic kenyan father and a Indonesian step-father. A big influence on a young boy. Obama has courage, and he has intelligence, but what he doesn't have is the philosophic part of education. What does he care about the hardy protestant pioneers who made this country. Did he ever read Alexis De Tocqueville's "Democracy in America" and what he said about the Christian religion being what America was all about?
People are right when they say that Obama doesn't seem to understand the backbone of America society and culture. To make a long story short, I believe that the original framers of the U.S. Constitution wrote religious freedom into law because at that time it was the protestants fleeing from Europe from the persecution of the catholic church to find religious freedom in America that they were thinking about. Little did Thomas Jefferson and George Washington ever dream of seeing Islamic mosques going up in the 13 colonies.

Posted by: allset707 | September 1, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Ok. I'm an avowed right coast leftie, but still, it does seem to me that the President does have a grip on the issue. You use the word "abstract" when describing his statement, but I think you're really implying that he doesn't speak in the bumper-sticker grunts and monosyllables of "mainstream" America. I, for one, am sick of the anti-intellectual zeitgeist that has taken hold of this country. I am also sick of these semi-literate goons (are you listening, Sarah?) who seem to be blissfully unaware of the fact that so-called "coastal elites" number far into the tens of millions (the population of the combined Boston-to-DC metro areas alone is over 50 million) and are not some sort of fringe. You may disagree with the ideas of the left and Americans from large metro areas, but the concept of rural and small-town America being what defines "real" America is far from true. As well, insulting the intelligence of big-city liberals only makes these people bigger buffoons. We're not stupid. In fact, we are exponentially better educated (coastal metro areas by far have the largest populations of four-year or higher degree holders) and richer – the Northeast Corridor contains more of the 25 richest counties in the US by far. As well, the Tea Bag crowd love to imply that the Founding Fathers were kindred spirits. Hate to tell them, they were East Coast intellectuals, for the most part Ivy League educated; who read more than their share Locke and Voltaire.

Posted by: mike_lakewood | September 1, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse


Make this a day when we encourage children to dream.

Make this a day when adults re-visit and focus on their dream.

Make this day of a re-committment to treating all fairly, the way you do on New Year's Day.

Sharpton and the others are so busy trying to cause a fight wherever they can that they are a disappointment to young minds. allow the DREAM TO BURST INTO REALITY DAILY FOR SOME YOUNG PERSON, SOMEWHERE.

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | September 1, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse


Make this a day when we encourage children to dream.

Make this a day when adults re-visit and focus on their dream.

Make this day of a re-committment to treating all fairly, the way you do on New Year's Day.

Sharpton and the others are so busy trying to cause a fight wherever they can that they are a disappointment to young minds. allow the DREAM TO BURST INTO REALITY DAILY FOR SOME YOUNG PERSON, SOMEWHERE.

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | September 1, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse


Make this a day when we encourage children to dream.

Make this a day when adults re-visit and focus on their dream.

Make this day of a re-committment to treating all fairly, the way you do on New Year's Day.

Sharpton and the others are so busy trying to cause a fight wherever they can that they are a disappointment to young minds. allow the DREAM TO BURST INTO REALITY DAILY FOR SOME YOUNG PERSON, SOMEWHERE.

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | September 1, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

three times? however that happened, i apologize.

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | September 1, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse


King was first and foremost a spiritual man. - this was what Beck's day was about.

when we honor the man let us do so through spiritual eyes of fairness.

when King laid the foundation he didnt mean for us to camp out there forever but to go forward. let us celebrate the day and feel good about the progress we have made and continue to make.

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | September 1, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

allset707. You want to lecture on what Obama may, or may not understand, when you yourself have a slim grasp on history and, for that matter, rhetoric. Firstly, the part of Europe where early American settlers came from – England, Scotland and, arguably, Germany, Protestant religions dominated, not Catholicism. Also, your time-frames are horribly askew. By the time of Washington and Jefferson, most Americans were native-born and not recent arrivals. Lastly, since you haven't spoken to Washington or Jefferson personally; and they wrote no opinions on building Muslim cultural centers in lower Manhattan, you cannot base on argument on what YOU think they might have thought. That kind of rhetorical flabbiness couldn't win a seventh-grade debate.

Posted by: mike_lakewood | September 1, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

I am afraid that I am new to the Washington Post, I guess I just do not understand all the hatred and bigotry in the liberal rants about Beck, 9/12, 8/28, the Tea Parties. 9/28 was a positive event with good intentions with no ties to race. The Tea Parties have been a positive voice trying to get citizen politicians involved and lifelong aristocrats out of our government. You may disagree with what they say but there is nothing bigoted about most the people or the movement. In my option it is all about running the government within its means, not driving us off a bankrupt cliff. It’s about backing small businesses and Main Street not padding the pockets of the corrupt and more powerful then now on wall street.
The Tea Party folks have been accused of so many things yet when I have stood in their ranks here in the middle of America I stand with friends, neighbors, young, old, business people and those just starting out. None of these negative biases apply. Yes, I get upset at being called names, wouldn’t you? Yes I get upset at the government’s inability to manage our money and business, don’t we all. All in all I am very proud of the numbers of people that want to get involved and be part of a solution and future for this county.
Every group will have their somebody’s with a silly or stupid sign. Actually it is fun to see the imagination. Someone will always have a negative sign for the president whether it was Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama or the next President of our great country. It is the ability to have discourse that helps make this the Greatest County on Earth.

Posted by: maclarke1 | September 1, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

The President was right to sidestep any commentary on this issue. He probably would have something equally vague to say about a NASCAR event. Not his cup of tea, but he hopes the folks enjoyed their entertainment.

Let folks celebrate, and reminisce about what never was, if it makes them feel better. Fox and Beck are happy to provide a venue... for a modest fee, of course.

Posted by: OldUncleTom | September 1, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

As usual Mr. Lane has no clue who the tea party is composed of.

"in the case of Beck’s rally, most of them despise you, none of them voted for you and none of them ever would vote for you"

Really Mr. Lane? The people that have attended the types of rallies that you so snobbishly look down on are composed of a very large percentage of independents who DID vote for Obama and have been disappointed by his lack of bi-partisanship and failure to bring the promised change to Washington. The only change he brought was to replace good ole boy politics with cut-throat Chicago politics. That's not what the independents who were most responsible for electing this clown bargained for.
I guess that's what I should expect from devious little leftists like you tho. After all, your type have spent the last 10 years denigrating conservatives as wild eyed, gun toting, tobacco chewing religious fanatics instead of citizens who want limited government. Its why most of us REAL conservatives have little regard for Bush's "compassionate conservatism" which you regularly ridicule all the while being too stupid to recognize that it was just liberalism in sheep's clothing. Aside from the Iraq war the left never had it so good under Bush. There was no spending program too big that he wouldn't sign into law. Sound familiar? Obama light. No child left behind (Ted Kennedy program), Medicare/aid drug program (trillions of liberal spending) and campaign finance reform. All in the first two years and all liberal programs. Then the left turned on him and used the war as a weapon against your own country just to get yourselves in office. You're pathetic little tools.
Get a clue. Because it's all going to come crashing down on you in less than 2.5 months.

Posted by: Historyshowus | September 1, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

It's fascinating that four full days after the fact, 'progressives' are still trying to persuade us that Beck's huge crowd wasn't actually as large a crowd as our eyes led us to believe!

Undoubtedly, Farrakhan, as Mr Lane said, was a 'hateful crackpot', but what evidence does Mr Lane present to confirm his implication of the same of Glenn Beck? Talk about falling back on abstract analysis and into a pit of preconceived ideas! Very lame, indeed. Pathetic, actually.

Posted by: paulinni | September 1, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

to: strictly_liberal; USA4ALL; all DIMocRAT HATERS,

to: strictly & USA4all: repeating STUPID, FALSE, IGNORANT, PREJUDICED nonsense does NOT make you look intelligent.- in fact it exposes you as HALF-educated, ignorant, brain-DEAD HATERS & nothing more than that.

to all DIMocRATS: i've read the vast majority of the posts on this thread & what almost all of the DIMocRATS/LEFTIST/"progressive" responses have in common is:
1. poor grammar/spelling,
2. lack of obvious thought processes,
3. a lack of a firm grasp on the reality that normal people perceive
and
4. HATE-FILLED, STUPID ranting/"name-calling", which convinces NOBODY of your DUMB-bunny political positions.

face it, the DIIMocRATS are going to get SLAUGHTERED on 11/02/201 in the election & there is NOTHING that will change that outcome.
your party will LOSE both houses of Congress by the BIGGEST landslide in modern history, simply because "normal people do NOT trust BHO/DIMocRATS/"progressives" to protect our LIBERTY and/or our RIGHTS as citizens.

"regular folks" (including MANY former democrats, like MOST of the members of my family USED TO BE!) are "turned off" & just want every single, stinky, little leftist DIMocRAT extremist OUT of every public office, from the WH to our local courthouse.

yours, TN46

Posted by: texasnative46 | September 1, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

I re-read this column to see if it was really as stupid as it sounded yeterday.

And it did. This amateur author is in way over his head.

Posted by: jakemehoffer | September 1, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

So, according to Mr Lane's impeccable progressive logic, concern for a restoration of traditional American values makes one a hateful crackpot. Wow, that's a really broad-minded, liberal attitude for us all to emulate, eh?

Posted by: paulinni | September 1, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

@mike_lakewood
Actually Jefferson and the colonies did address Islam during the colonial period.
The Virginia assembly empowered the governor to expel "suspicious aliens" in case of hostilities with their sovereigns. The case developed after the arrival of a few [Algerians] in Richmond in the early 1700s.
At the same time in 1776 the anti-constitutionalists pushed for a reliance on protestant protestant values but the pro-constitutionalists won the debate and o of it's main arguments was religious freedom towards non Christian religions with Islam being the focus for the argument.
Thomas Jefferson defended religious freedom in America including those of Muslims. Jefferson explicitly mentioned Muslims when writing about the movement for religious freedom in Virginia. In his autobiography Jefferson wrote "[When] the [Virginia] bill for establishing religious freedom... was finally passed,... a singular proposition proved that its protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word 'Jesus Christ,' so that it should read 'a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion.' The insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend within the mantle of its protection the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo and infidel of every denomination."[
America's views on Islam were influenced both by supporters in Europe who extolled their enlightenment and by detractors who warned of their threat to republicanism and religious freedom and their high influence in the slave trade.
In fact a common tactic to argue for (or against) a political or ethical position was to identify an argument with Muslims, thereby discrediting it. Benjamin Franklin attacked slavery by writing a fictional defense of it by a Muslim (not hard to do as Muslims were the premier slave traders in the first century of America's history).
In 1776, John Adams published "Thoughts on Government," in which he praises the Islamic prophet Mahomet (Mohammed) as a "sober inquirer after truth" alongside Confucius, Zoroaster, Socrates, and other "pagan and Christian" thinkers.
In 1785, George Washington stated a willingness to hire "Mahometans," as well as people of any nation or religion, to work on his private estate at Mount Vernon if they were "good workmen."
In 1790, the South Carolina legislative body granted special legal status to a community of Moroccans, twelve years after the Sultan of Morocco became the first foreign head of state to formally recognize the United States.
In 1796, then president John Adams signed a treaty declaring the United States had no "character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen".
The Moslem religion was a topic of much debate by numerous leaders of our young nation and mostly in a positive manner.

Posted by: Historyshowus | September 1, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Beck's rally last Saturday did not comfortably fit the normal narratives associated with Beck or conservative media personalities.
The president's response was appropriate until we can determine what the "long game" is that Beck is playing.

"Restore Honor" and "support the troops" and "seek God" and so forth is just unassailable gibberish. Good citizens have long done all those things.

I think the rally was the amazing trick bak shot of a brilliant media manipulator. Look for Beck to appear in Anchorage on September 11 with Palin for a surprise announcement. The rally was the first salvo of her campaign. She is now wrapped in the flag and the Bible and ready to deliver.

Posted by: roboturkey | September 1, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Please don't tell me someone actually paid Mr. Lane to write this article.

Posted by: peru1 | September 1, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Understanding Beck requires a lobotomy

Posted by: ualec1 | September 1, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Lane wants 0bama to stop acting like an arrogant and cartoonish Mister Peanut. He wants 0bama to be a gracious President and to acknowledge that these people are Americans too, and that it is his job to represent all Americans.

Lane does not want a brittle peanut shell of a President. He wants a President who is not so kool than the can't be hamish. What will WashPo do if Mister Peanut just can't take this good advice? What will happen if he just continues to pee off more and more Americans with his hipster arrogance and gets defeated in a landslide election which will usher in a half century of conservative governments? What if this brings on so much prosperity that even Washpo survives well into this new century?

Posted by: ZoltanNewberry | September 1, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

President Obama does not need to "get" Glenn Beck. He needs to continue his efforts to reverse the damage to this nation by the Bush regime. He needs to try to move forward, despite all the psycho obstructionists, extremists and racists.

Beck is clueless, far removed from reality, obviously unstable, and devoid of any viable ideas.

Posted by: revbookburn | September 1, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

What's most ironic is that a lot of the people who attended this sore-loser pity-party are receiving Social Security and Medicare. Good luck with that in November.

WATCH GLENN BECK SCREAM ABOUT HOW MUCH HE HATES THE 9/11 VICTIMS, HERE:

www.GlennBeckIsNotMartinLutherKingJr.com

Please also go to this site - call on advertisers TO DROP SPONSORSHIP if they haven't already and to STAY DROPPED if thy already have. Make sure they don't sponsor this race-baiting John Birch Society Fred Koch-sucking venal HACK:

http://www.colorofchange.org/beck/

Posted by: redjanuko | September 1, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

What's most ironic is that a lot of the people who attended this sore-loser pity-party are receiving Social Security and Medicare. Good luck with that in November.

WATCH GLENN BECK SCREAM ABOUT HOW MUCH HE HATES THE 9/11 VICTIMS, HERE:

www.GlennBeckIsNotMartinLutherKingJr.com

Please also go to this site - call on advertisers TO DROP SPONSORSHIP if they haven't already and to STAY DROPPED if thy already have. Make sure they don't sponsor this race-baiting John Birch Society Fred Koch-sucking venal HACK:

http://www.colorofchange.org/beck/

Posted by: redjanuko | September 1, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Gosh, the haters (the right, of course) sure are sensitive! Every time Obama opens his mouth, their ability to parse out insults surpasses the most imaginative literature professors who find meaning in obscure texts.

Posted by: mmmmpppp1 | September 1, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

redjanuko,

STUPID, fact-FREE, semi-literate, arrogantly IGNORANT bilge, twice repeated, does NOT magically become factual. = instead, it makes the poster look even more clue-LESS, prejudiced, hate-FILLED & EMPTY-headed.

Glenn Beck, on his worst day, is about 10 times as intelligent as your DUMB-bunny posts indicate that you are.

yours, TN46

Posted by: texasnative46 | September 1, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

So much misinformation, so little time. To jane - my wife was very close to WMD in Iraq in the first gulf war when we blew up a nerve gas depot to get rid of a lot of Saddam's VX shells (nerve gas). She gets letters every year asking if she has any symptoms. Saddam is the only leader in the last 50 years to kill both his own people and his foreign enemies with WMD. His nuclear program was first slowed by the Israelis (the bombing of the Osirak reactor) and later by us. But he never game up. His death did that. He wanted the bomb and in fact kept working on it and the delivery means for his chem/bio weapons long after Desert Storm.

Be honest people - you think Beck is the boogie man and Palin the boogie woman. Thats fine, because you paint everyone else who disagrees with you (the 65% of America who believe we are the wrong track according to Gallup, etc) with the same broad brush...and that spells defeat. Its truly hysterical to watch you rant and rave about someone for whom your only knowlege is from MSNBC. I would invite you to listen to the speeches given. Not a word of hate was spoken, unless you believe devotion to the troops, ordinary Americans doing good or devotion to God is hate.

OH, and I guarantee you the money will go to the families of service members who died or were injured. Ironically, they were defending the right of you clowns to hate the folks who raised the money to help the troops. Guess which group in America gives the most to charity per capita? Yep, you guessed it - conservative low and middle class Christian church members. Its not even close. Guess who is last? Right again - well to do liberal elites (Hollywood, the Media, etc). Source for that is an outstanding non-partisan study entitled "Who Really Cares." Grab it, its an enlightening read.

What you saw on the mall is that care and devotion in action, and no amount of venom and misinformation will change that. The President is not gracious, nor respectful, nor man enough to acknowlege anyone who disagrees with him as perhaps also worthy of respect. Its a common enough syndrome -and the poor guy can't help himself. That disqualifies him for any leadership position, esp POTUS. You cannot build up a part of America by tearing down another, you cannot denigrate the beliefs, intelligence and motivations of the people whose safety and liberty you swore to do you your best to support...and expect them to support you. Duh.

Posted by: coop2911 | September 2, 2010 1:07 AM | Report abuse

So much misinformation, so little time. To jane - my wife was very close to WMD in Iraq in the first gulf war when we blew up a nerve gas depot to get rid of a lot of Saddam's VX shells (nerve gas). She gets letters every year asking if she has any symptoms. Saddam is the only leader in the last 50 years to kill both his own people and his foreign enemies with WMD. His nuclear program was first slowed by the Israelis (the bombing of the Osirak reactor) and later by us. But he never game up. His death did that. He wanted the bomb and in fact kept working on it and the delivery means for his chem/bio weapons long after Desert Storm.

Be honest people - you think Beck is the boogie man and Palin the boogie woman. Thats fine, because you paint everyone else who disagrees with you (the 65% of America who believe we are the wrong track according to Gallup, etc) with the same broad brush...and that spells defeat. Its truly hysterical to watch you rant and rave about someone for whom your only knowlege is from MSNBC. I would invite you to listen to the speeches given. Not a word of hate was spoken, unless you believe devotion to the troops, ordinary Americans doing good or devotion to God is hate.

OH, and I guarantee you the money will go to the families of service members who died or were injured. Ironically, they were defending the right of you clowns to hate the folks who raised the money to help the troops. Guess which group in America gives the most to charity per capita? Yep, you guessed it - conservative low and middle class Christian church members. Its not even close. Guess who is last? Right again - well to do liberal elites (Hollywood, the Media, etc). Source for that is an outstanding non-partisan study entitled "Who Really Cares." Grab it, its an enlightening read.

What you saw on the mall is that care and devotion in action, and no amount of venom and misinformation will change that. The President is not gracious, nor respectful, nor man enough to acknowlege anyone who disagrees with him as perhaps also worthy of respect. Its a common enough syndrome -and the poor guy can't help himself. That disqualifies him for any leadership position, esp POTUS. You cannot build up a part of America by tearing down another, you cannot denigrate the beliefs, intelligence and motivations of the people whose safety and liberty you swore to do you your best to support...and expect them to support you. Duh.

Posted by: coop2911 | September 2, 2010 1:08 AM | Report abuse

So much misinformation, so little time. To jane - my wife was very close to WMD during Desert Storm when we blew up a nerve gas depot to get rid of a lot of Saddam's VX shells. She gets letters every year asking if she has any symptoms. Saddam is the only leader in the last 50 years to kill both his own people and his foreign enemies with WMD. Avery carefully worded message from our President to him on the eve of Desert Storm persuaded him not to use his WMD, or risk annihilation and regime change. His nuclear program was first slowed by the Israelis (the bombing of the Osirak reactor) and later by us and UN inspectors. But he never game up. His death did that. He wanted the bomb and in fact kept working on it and the delivery means for his chem/bio weapons long after Desert Storm.

Be honest people - you think Beck is the boogie man and Palin the boogie woman. Thats fine, because you paint everyone else who disagrees with you (the 65% of America who believe we are the wrong track according to Gallup, etc) with the same broad brush...and that spells defeat come Nov. Its truly hysterical to watch you rant and rave about someone for whom your only knowlege is from MSNBC. I would invite you to listen to the speeches given. Not a word of hate was spoken, unless you believe devotion to the troops, ordinary Americans doing good or devotion to God is hate.

OH, and I guarantee you the money will go to the families of service members who died or were injured. Ironically, they were defending the right of you clowns to hate the folks who raised the money to help the troops. Guess which group in America gives the most to charity per capita? Yep, you guessed it - conservative low and middle class Christian church members. Its not even close. Guess who is last? Right again - well to do liberal elites (Hollywood, the Media, etc). Source for that is an outstanding non-partisan study entitled "Who Really Cares." Grab it, its an enlightening read.

What you saw on the mall is that care and devotion in action, and no amount of venom and misinformation will change that. The President is not gracious, nor respectful, nor man enough to acknowlege anyone who disagrees with him as perhaps also worthy of respect. Its a common enough syndrome -and the poor guy can't help himself. That disqualifies him for any leadership position, esp POTUS. You cannot build up a part of America by tearing down another, you cannot denigrate the beliefs, intelligence and motivations of the people whose safety and liberty you swore to do your best to support...and expect them to then support you. Duh.

Posted by: coop2911 | September 2, 2010 1:12 AM | Report abuse

Dismiss, downplay, ignore, insult, Glenn Beck all you want. Go ahead, be smug, condescending, snarky. You are so much more clever and enlightened than Glenn Beck, in fact, you don't need to watch any of his shows to make a comment because you're so smart and perfectly in-tune to everything and my goodness; isn't Glenn Beck one sorry, ignorant fool of a man? Too bad he will never be as awesome as you surely are in your own mind.

Posted by: AverageJoeBob | September 2, 2010 4:26 AM | Report abuse

"This was such a silly political unforced error that I have to assume Obama committed it out of sincere belief."

I'm constantly amazed at the ignorance of the press. This is not his first, second, third or 100th "unforced" error. The man is an demagogue, a neophyte and completely unqualified to be president. OF COURSE he's going to make unforced errors! He's completely blinded by his own socialist philosophy when it comes to interpreting the REAL America and the REAL Americans that the Tea Party represents!

Posted by: MalvenueZ | September 2, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

If Obama were truthful, he would admit that the stimulus didn't work because it was dedicated to ballooning the government sector, not to jump starting the private sector; that the 2000-plus-page health and financial bills do not inspire confidence because (1) few of those voting for the bills bothered to read them, and (2) the revelations about the provisions of these bills are proving that the naysayers were correct.

Posted by: judithod | September 2, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

@Freethotlib - re farm subsidies - I'm against them on both constitutional and free-market principles. Your accusation re Bush and oil subsidies is laughable- the president can not grant subsidies to anyone. Re tax cuts, you write as though the government is entitled to take as much money as they want from those who earned it and "allowing" them to keep more is doing them some sort of favor (to buy their votes you imply - not a wise political strategy since we're talking about less than 3% of taxpayers). You're attitude is why our unemployment is now twice that of Germany and our growth rate 1/4 of that of China.

I'm a vet who went to college on the GI bill. If you do not understand the difference between an inducement and an entitlement your education was a waste of taxpayer dollars.

Posted by: jpat | September 2, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I can see that the leftists are in full derangement mode. The constant harping about lies and hate speech has really become passe, as every slander has been proven false. It seems that the left desperately wants to hold onto the illusion that the last election was a mandate for a new socialist era in America...let them delude themselves. There is a tsunami of change rolling in, it just isn't the change that the leftists envisioned.

Posted by: blushark1 | September 2, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

blushark1; everyone,

fwiw, the LEFTISTS here make me want to vomit. = preferably on their head.

i've not often seen so many nasty-talking idiots, bigots, fanatics, lunatics & "general haters" in one place.

as a retired GI, let me simply say that Obama is regarded by the military members that i know as weak, arrogant, "not overloaded with brains" & uncaring about the needs of soldiers/sailors/airmen/marines/coasties.
(he tries to convince us that he supports us but we are not fooled by his empty platitudes & self-imoportant smirking. = GIs have a "BS sensor" like few other people in society & he is FULL OF IT up to his hairline = all he does is TALK, TALK & TALK, meaning none of what he blabs about.)

until my retirement, one of my "assigned additional duties" was voting & education officer & the many people that i ordered absentee ballots for this time were, with very few exceptions, for soldiers who wanted to vote against the current people in the democrat party & thereby 'send a message' to Obama.

sincerely, retiredMP

Posted by: retiredMP46 | September 2, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

The POTUS needs to recognize how dangerous Beck is. Need proof, read his followers’ comments on this site http://wp.me/pNmlT-mI which is critical of Beck and his rally. They are cult like in their blind adherence to the Beck doctrine, and this despite the fact that for some, like the Tea Party, Beck's worldview contradicts their core belief in the Founding Father’s who believed strongly in the separation of church and state! Their commentary provides all reasonable Americans with a stark reminder that unless we stand strong against demagogues like Beck and the type of movement he and the Tea Party represents, then the future of our Nation and our Democracy are in grave, grave danger.

Posted by: Dh1953 | September 2, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Wow, a lot of these people seem to really hate Beck and the people who attended his rally. I guess their tolerance is only reserved for some people, while they seem to have white-hot hatred for people who disagree with them.

I am very happy that I don't have to live with that kind of poison. I sincerely hope that they, too, learn how to be happier and kinder individuals. Life is too short not to do so.

Posted by: jp99 | September 2, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Dh1953,

what UTTER RUBBISH! = do you NOT know that the VAST majority of the signers of The Declaration of Independence & the authors of The Constitution were both FREE MASONS & CHRISTIANS?
(if they were alive today, they founders would be falling over with mirth at your post.)

your post is not only SILLY & FALSE but also makes you look UNeducated & IGNORANT. = go read some US history & you'll see JUST HOW FOOLISH your post is.

laughing AT you.

yours, TN46

Posted by: texasnative46 | September 2, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse

The problem is Obama(Zero) lacks the intellect to understand Beck. Beck speaks to the common man much as Sarah Palin does, his arrogance precludes him listening to any opinion other than his own. He can not understand that the majority of Americans just do not agree with his failed policies.

Zero will continue to spint the same stories that he conned the American public into electing him with and in the process he has destroyed his own party and himself. He doesnt care if he loses congress, he thinks people will forget his outrageous arrogance before 2012 but that will never happen. He will go down as even a worse president than Jimmy Carter. It is his intent to tear down our country and reinvent it in his arrogant vision. After November he will be a lame duck president for the remainder of his term and he and Michelle will go on permanent paid vacation to travel the world and attempt to con the rest of the world into believing his lies.

Beck is far more intelligent than Zero, a far better man than Zero. Noone other than Palin has stormed on the scene in years that can communicate with people the way Beck does. Zero had that quality in campaigning, problem is he can only campaign and his speeches are just falling very flat. The typical liberal, if you continue to say something over and over it will become the truth. Noone is buying his crap anymore.

Posted by: TeaPartier | September 3, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Concerning Glenn Beck and others who try to discredit President Obama's Christianity; There is not a muslim group in the world or this country claiming this man as a muslim. The reason being, he is not one and has never been one. One of the greatest jokes our enemies (the ones who are muslim, because all muslims are not our enemies) could play, would be to mock America by saying, "Obama is a muslim and now he is your president." What are people missing? Glenn Beck is not a practicing Christian. I can prove it simply by what the Bible says (and most true Christians know this: "Six things the Lord hates, and the seventh is an abomination: (1) a proud look (2) a lying tongue (3) hands that shed innocent blood (4) a heart that devises wicked schemes (5) feet that run swiftly to do evil (6) a false witness who pours out lies (7)a man who sows discord among the brethren. Proverbs 6:16-19. It is the 7th that Mr. Beck is most guilty of, although he fits several others as well. President Obama didn't invent unemployment, racism, hatred or any of the things people like Beck, Palin and others who play at being Christians, accuse him of. He, like all other babies, didn't name himself when he was born and thankfully he has not let the hate-mongers move him to change his name for their comfort. How sad that after all this time, the world sees our country as racist, hypocritcal, untrustworthy, and completely out of touch with what the real issues of life are. One thing we can all be certain of, God really does know who the real people of faith are, no matter what name they call themselves (II Tim. 2:19)and He will have the last laugh. Many will be completely shocked when they discover that their cover has been blown.
Isn't it strange that Mr. Obama doesn't strike back at this ignorance in anger as most others would have by now? That too is a "Christian" principle: "Blessed are you when men shall revile you and say all manner of evil against you for my sake, rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven."Matthew 5:11.

Posted by: kelgrace | September 3, 2010 1:13 AM | Report abuse

to all,

at over 60YY, i didn't think that i would live long enough to ever witness a POTUS that was LESS able than Jimmy Carter & MORE dishonest than Richard Nixon, but (SADLY) i must tell you that i was DEAD WRONG.

BHO is at least twice as bad as BOTH combined, as he is WEAK, DISHONEST, PRIDE-FILLED, SELF-important, NOT "overloaded with gray matter" (Michelle has the BRAINS; BHO has only the MOUTH.), INTOLERENT of other opinions & a LOSER.
(BHO will not only lose in 2011, but he will take the DIMocRAT Party down with him.)

01-20-2012 cannot come soon enough for me.

yours, TN46
coordinator, CCTPP

Posted by: texasnative46 | September 3, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

@rohit57

I'm not sure whether you'll ever see this comment, but I just wanted you to know that your observation about constitutions and self-images were, in my opinion, very good. You may be wrong or on the wrong track, but that's OK.

Compared to the echo-chamber noise of almost all other comments on these sorts of articles, your comment was very, very refreshing and thoughtful. Thanks. And, hey, if you have a blog, post a link to it.

Posted by: bar_washington_post | September 3, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Reading some of the posts, I feel an urgency to challenge some of the elitism views expressed in these posts. I am above labelling all post contributors as ignorant. However, when you make statements like "conservatives won't vote for a black man no matter what" ... you are the racist. When you make statements like "Arizonans who support SB1070 are racist" ... you are the racist. When you make a general statement like "conservatives are uneducated" ... you are uneducated.

I think my next statement may be brash: If your only argument against someone who disagrees with you is, "you're a racist", you are ignorant ... and ignorance is the essence of bigotry.

Posted by: hwhliving | September 4, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Reading some of the posts, I feel an urgency to challenge some of the elitism views expressed in these posts. I am above labelling all post contributors as ignorant. However, when you make statements like "conservatives won't vote for a black man no matter what" ... you are the racist. When you make statements like "Arizonans who support SB1070 are racist" ... you are the racist. When you make a general statement like "conservatives are uneducated" ... you are uneducated.

I think my next statement may be brash: If your only argument against someone who disagrees with you is, "you're a racist", you are ignorant ... and ignorance is the essence of bigotry.

Posted by: hwhliving | September 4, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Reading some of the posts, I feel an urgency to challenge some of the elitism views expressed in these posts. I am above labelling all post contributors as ignorant. However, when you make statements like "conservatives won't vote for a black man no matter what" ... you are the racist. When you make statements like "Arizonans who support SB1070 are racist" ... you are the racist. When you make a general statement like "conservatives are uneducated" ... you are uneducated.

I think my next statement may be brash: If your only argument against someone who disagrees with you is, "you're a racist", you are ignorant ... and ignorance is the essence of bigotry.

Posted by: hwhliving | September 4, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

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