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How a Koran burner goes global

A letter writer in today's Post, Rev. Earl D. Trent Jr., makes a great point: His fellow pastor, Terry Jones, who was promising to burn the Koran on Saturday, has no more credibility "than that of a person walking down the street with a sign saying 'Repent: The world is coming to an end.'" Yet Jones, whose flock numbers fewer than 50 and belongs to no denomination, has attracted the attention of President Obama, Gen. David Petraeus, foreign governments and even the Vatican. The State Department has issued a worldwide travel advisory warning Americans about violent reactions to his proposed act.

All of this stems from a single posting on Facebook -- and a blizzard of media coverage. Trent faults the media for treating Jones as "a major spokesman and representative of the Christian faith" and declares, "the world of credible sourcing and journalism standards has come to an end."

I hope that is not the case. Yet the fact remains that a minor crackpot has, thanks to the miracle of the Internet and far-less-wondrous effect of cable television news, managed to have a global impact -- and a potentially lethal one at that. Trent suggests that we've entered an age where any crank can commandeer America's image and endanger the safety of its citizens, thanks to the irresponsibility of television producers.

Like I said, he has a point. But it's worth noting, too, that Jones's kookiness is not about space aliens or the UN's black helicopters -- or even the evils of Jews or Christians. If it were, we would have never heard of him. Instead, it is Islam he is maligning -- and that explains both the reaction of the media and of statesmen from Obama on down.

News producers, like Gen. Petraeus, know very well that any reported insult to Islam in the West has the potential to produce a vast and ugly overreaction across the Muslim world. So they pay attention -- thereby producing exactly the reaction they were worried about. Think of the cartoons of Mohammed published in a Danish newspaper in 2005, an irresponsible but minor provocation that led to attacks on the Danish embassies in Syria, Lebanon and Iran and calls for a boycott of Danish products across the Muslim world. The Danish prime minister at the time called the backlash the country's worst international crisis since World War II.

There was also Newsweek's 2005 report, subsequently retracted, that guards at the Guantanamo prison had flushed an inmate's Koran down the toilet. Bloody riots ensued in Afghanistan, among other places. Bush administration officials then angrily blamed Newsweek for inciting extremist violence and handing a victory to al Qaeda.

That's what Obama says about the Koran-burning stunt: that it would have amounted to a "recruitment bonanza for al-Qaeda." He's probably right -- and, needless to say, Jones' plan was disgusting and contemptible. But is the fundamental problem the kook, the media who covers him -- or those Muslim leaders who seize on any pretext to foment anti-Western violence?

By Jackson Diehl  | September 10, 2010; 6:38 AM ET
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I'm no right-winger, mind you, but I think The left is missing the boat on this topic, and I'm glad to see this writer point that out. What we should be saying to the rest of the world is, look, here in America, kooks can be kooks. That's what it means to have real freedom. You can't hold Obama or anyone other than Jones himself accountable for what he's doing. We hate it too. But in a free country, that's the way it is.

Now, it's sad that an atmosphere of rampant, mindless Islamophobia makes this guy feel encouraged and entitled. The idea that an Imam building a multifaith community center and burning holy books are seen as a quid pro quo by so many on the right should rightly be viewed as the bigger problem. We here in America seem to have forgotten what it means to be free, too.

But the more fundamental point is that in America, we handle people being stupid by countering with intelligence - if we can muster enough of it. These days too many Americans cannot manage that and are falling for the false promises of fascist oligarchy disguised as populism. But the hope of our founders was that if we stay firmly committed to free speech, eventually we smarten up. We might need that commitment pretty desperately fairly soon if current know-nothing political trends continue.

Posted by: NomoStew | September 10, 2010 7:48 AM | Report abuse

I wonder about the credentials of Mr. Jones. Not one report has included his degrees in theology...is he a store-front guy? Also, too many Americans have never traveled, never learned a foreign language and never studied religions of the world. Some barely know much about their own religion nor much about the worship of their neighbors. Ignorance and stupidity are not against the law in the United States.

Posted by: judithclaire1939 | September 10, 2010 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Lunatics like Rev Jones go global in considerable measure because the Fourth Estate has become seduced by whatever will titillate the public.

The WaPo really ought to know better than to grant inflammatory antipatriots the amount of white space they receive.

So, why don't you?

Posted by: bloommarko4 | September 10, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

I can‘t believe tax payers are paying for the security for this Pastor Hate in Fl. That's what we need to be protesting! This is my new angle on it. This is what the new uproar should be about! Why all the security to protect him and his flock. My husband said that we are obligated to protect him because of the possible bloodshed here in the U.S. if we don't. He has a good argument. As for now, I still say that we need to further investigate getting the Florida's police out of there. Why can't the church pay for their own security? Secretary Gates and the media can make it well known that journalist, supporters and protesters, etc. that are entering this area are doing so at their own risk. Florida taxpayers will not be supporting his actions. Pat Buchanan and Donny saying that President Obama should intervene is more GOP silly talk. Buchanan actually said on MSNBC this morning that "President Obama should act, send U. S. Marshall's to arrest the pastor and worry about the legalities later!!" Oh, yeah, give the GOP another thing to jump on President Obama for! This would be worse than the Shirley Sherrod firing. I do agree that this so called Pastor doesn't have enough brains to think of the barter deal with the NY Mosque. This again comes from the extremist Right. I just wonder if Glenn Beck will soon have his followers go to Guyana or some other area and end up drinking the Kool-Aid. I know the threat of terrorism is real. I also know that Americans are doing a very good job of destroying our own country right now.

Posted by: marie-alvarado | September 10, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

I think the fundamental problem is that Muslim leaders continue to seize on any pretext to foment anti-Western violence. Pastor Jones' experience is very similar to what we have seen with the Salman Rushdie, Danish cartoons,Theo Van Gogh, Newsweek article, South Park, and Seattle cartoonist cases. In all of these examples,perceived Western irreverence towards Islam was met with actual or threatened physical violence by Muslims. This is a strange response for the "religion of peace." I think most Americans regarded Muslim responses in these cases as simply nuts. We should not cave in to violence. It will only lead to more crazy demands by Muslims and more violence. We are Americans. We love free speech. We love irreverence. We love cartoons. We should not cave in to Muslim terrorists and sacrifice our freedoms. Muslims must bring their religion into the modern world if they are to be respected by the West. Violence against the West is only going to lead to more senseless violence and increasing frustration.

Posted by: Djones121 | September 10, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

The Pastor is a publicity seeking idiot. I am opposed to it because it seems like it focuses the entire world, yet once again, on an extremist view that the overwhelming majority of americans don't agree with. With that said, it really concerns me that as a nation we condemn freedom of speech because of international pressure. Why are the news media focusing on the flag burnings overseas? This goes on every single day yet it is news today. Many of these people are going to hate america and chant "death to America" whether the burning of the Korans takes place or not.

Pretty frightening that so few americans are sticking up for freedom of speech. You many not agree with the message but the right to do so is the very fabric of this country. This combined with entire areas of Arizona that warn americans to stay out because of mexican drug traffickers and our ability not to control american soil is a very sad commentary on where we are headed as a country.

Forget about the health care arguments, mosque arguments, national debt, unemployment, and everything else... we have very serious problems as a nation. What happened to the media and newmakers that used to stand up for individual rights in this country?? While the pastor may ultimately go away and be written off as a crack pot, what about the next person that wants to make a statement that might offend someone in another country? Is it only Islam we are afraid to insult?

Posted by: savannah4 | September 10, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

You got to admit that if Pastor Terry Jones can broker a deal to get Imam Rauf to move the mosque from ground zero, he will have done something most Americans want, which neither Obama or Hillary Clinton was even willing to try. That's grass roots diplomacy, and would underscore the total ineptness of the Obama administration.

Posted by: joesmith6 | September 10, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

As in Ms. Petri's article, Mr. Diehl, I note the problem as being one of a fancy with flightful information, the transience of excitement, embraced far more fervently then memorable principles. I proposed a more concrete means of gaining from our grief. The attack of September 11, 2001, though said to have been conducted by “Muslim extremists” and characterized as an “attack on Freedom”, did not target the structures of Christianity, nor the symbols of freedom, but those of capitalist exploitation and military oppression. These exist, as at the founding of Islam and Christianity, in opposition to freedom, even today, as man’s own man-made devil, fueling not the capacity of holiness, but that of evil. Under color of religion, both Christians and Muslims have served in the devil’s army, over centuries of assault designed to raise capital and gain power in elevation of themselves over others, eschewing the cooperative example of Adam and Eve, for the competition between Cain and Abel. As Jesus said, “what you do unto the least, you do unto me”, America is founded where “all men are created equal” in the understanding that we need not to compete for God’s favor, but to cooperate to build and secure favor with one another. We must not limit our cooperation to the confines of deviled regimentation, but abandon the regiment altogether, for the universal respect of boundaries, through which cooperation is hewn. The free and the holy stand in opposition to oppression and exploitation. It would be nice to imagine that their spirits united to effect the attacks of that day, but the reality of grief suggests a more sinister plan. Whether the towers were brought down by unscientific Muslim extremists assisted by a sympathetic God, or by a very scientific capitalist plot, has yet to be addressed and determined by public congressional hearings. “International Koran Burning Day” has been suspended, by the pastor, pending a meeting with the Iman of the proposed Mosque in New York City. If the day is revived, should demonstrations by Muslims burning the Bible, and of Atheists burning both, be staged in opposition and sympathy? The Bible and Koran convey different and somewhat complementary versions of devotion to the same God. God-inspired activity in the men known as Jesus Christ and Muhammad Ibn Abdullah, inspired religious devotion to their methods and intents of worship, by populations subjected to their teachings. Now is poised a competitive scrimmage between those populations, that neither prophet would encourage. In that Christianity spread through Europe, and Islam through Africa, this may seem a continental contest. In that Christianity was adopted by whites and Islam by blacks, this may seem a racial contest. In that the Black American Muslim mission established by Elijah Muhammad employs the divinity assigned to both texts, it seems a curious contest.

Posted by: JulianPembrokeSteptoeForTragedys_End | September 10, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

That the versions of our marriages, to which we vow before God, as they are approached, engaged, and aged, differ between the mates, should render a clue that our versions of worship may differ, but remain valid. Oppression is all that should be not tolerated. Its presence is proven by damage and harm, torture and vandalism, and its endurance concludes in complete deprivation. We protest the deprivation. Of what are we deprived? Somehow, a thirty-member congregation pastor is not deprived of national and world-wide attention for a rather radical, dubious, and offensive proposition. Perhaps it aligns with the considered offensive, but hardly radical or dubious, proposition for the all-faith mosque and community center near the hallowed “ground zero”. The radicalism of book-burning is well documented in the novel “Fahrenheit 451”. Not so well portrayed are the actual burnings of native scripture by Christian invaders around the world. The test of freedom is, “how much variety can I brave?”. The pastor’s plan seems dubious because no one seems to have asked him, “do you have a Koran”, nor, “whom do you expect to donate, or sell, Korans to be burned”. The more Christian thing to do, if he has Korans to burn, is to keep one to read himself, and donate the remainder to Muslims too impoverished to afford their own. If nothing else, both books, Bible and Koran, convey a divine love and devotion, that of man for world, community, and self, proven in sacrifice of all of these, for the art of its conveyance, the recorded speech, the book, too heavy to own. In our freedom, we own our burdens and dispose of them as we wish and as we are able. The burden of our sadness, our anger, our evil, is not upon any art, nor book, but upon our own minds, our own conscience, and are dispersed not by the devil’s signature fire, but by the cool calculations of repentance, indeed restoring the honor of our lands, through our souls. “I submit only to God”, is the statement of Muslims, and is the pledge of the free. It is not the purpose at odds, but the perspective and methods, not only between the camps, but within them. Hate can be changed into hope. To achieve this recipe, at the point where hate simmers into a boil, add a complete package of humility.

Posted by: JulianPembrokeSteptoeForTragedys_End | September 10, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

THE SEPTEMBER ELEVENTH MEMORIAL

To truly portray the tragedy of the world Trade Center, the carvings of each victims name should be followed by carvings indicating, after proper determination, the ethnicity and religion of each victim, in consultation with the surviving relatives, American Blacks being indicated as being either African-American also naming the state of birth, or, as the American ethnic name of choice (not color-based) chosen by relatives of the victim. This will display properly, that the humanity affected by the effects of the tragic inhumanity, covers the spectrum of humanity, and also will convey that none are barred from the lessons taught, and to be learned, of equality, at their feet. The list should include the names of those victims lost at the other sites, as well.

Posted by: JulianPembrokeSteptoeForTragedys_End | September 10, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

I think we should burn ALL the "religious" texts in the world and give everyone a copy of Thomas Paine's The Rights of Man.
Maybe then we could start moving people into the 21st century and stop this religious stagnation in the 15th century.

Posted by: forrester1 | September 10, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

What a hypocrite you are. You rail against the Florida pastor with a 500-word rant that is clearly written because you wanted to get into this issue. You could have ignored this and taken a pass, but instead you have become part of the MSM machine that has fueled this. I hope you and your family enjoy your paycheck for writing this.

Posted by: edwardallen54 | September 10, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Terry Jones (I hate to add the prefix-Reverend) is like a 3 year old who should have gone to bed at 8 p.m., but waddles downstairs around 10 p.m., where a party is going on & picks his nose just to embarrass & annoy the parents.
As soon as Gen. Petraeus made a statement & Terry Jones wanted to pray to Jesus about the "Quoran burning", I told my husband "he is going to back off by Friday saying that the same Jesus who asked him to do the quoran burning stunt, advised him to back off". He is an attention seeking brat & he got enough of it.

Posted by: sarvenk63 | September 10, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Who cares if some redneck in Gainesville burns a couple korans? Everybody is so worried about getting the muslims upset. Those psychopaths were busy murdering people long before this preacher decided to burn some books. 9/11 happened before we invaded Afghanistan or Iraq or opened Guatanamo for business. Look at the pictures of those people protesting. A bunch of dirty arabs in sheets with smoke from burning fires in the background. Half of them don't even know what they're protesting they just love chanting death to america. You can't reason with or appease those people. They're a scourge on the planet. Like herpes. You can't cure herpes, you can only deal with the symptoms.

Posted by: peterg73 | September 10, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Between cult leader Jim Jones and his fatal leadership and "Pastor" Jones' wackiness, I realize that the problem isn't that they're examples of runaway look-at-me zealotry; no, the problem is that they're named 'Jones.' Ergo, it's obvious that to solve the problem all that's needed is to pass a law making it illegal to be named Jones.

Posted by: fionalowther | September 10, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Answer to Diehl's question:

"those Muslim leaders who seize on any pretext to foment anti-Western violence"

-AND-

The media who want to treat the anti-western Muslims as victims. Forgetting
Munich 1972, Iran Hostage Crisis, WTC 1993, Khobar Towers, Embassy bombings, 9/11, London, Madrid, Mumbai, Danish cartoons, Fort Hood, and many more.

-AND-

Those in the west who still believe that appeasement is how you onduct foreign policy with very bad people.

Posted by: pilsener | September 10, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

to Mr. Diehl; all,

had the "media" chosen to NOT cover the nitwit pastor, there would be NO controversy. ===> after all he only has FIFTY followers & the media "spotlight" has fired up other idiots all over the globe.

in future, may i simply suggest that you "media-types" just IGNORE such "holy fools" & then they cannot cause worldwide "problems"?

just my opinion.

yours, tn46

Posted by: texasnative46 | September 10, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

ATTENTION MEDIA – WHERE WAS THIS INFO ON DAY ONE ????

GAINESVILLE — Long before his church's planned Koran burning drew fire from national leaders, the Rev. Terry Jones was known locally as an intolerant radical and fringe leader at odds with this college town's progressive reputation.
Jones, senior pastor of the Dove World Outreach Center in northwest Gainesville, has led the 50-member congregation since 2001. But much of the infamy surrounding Jones' Islamophobic message seems to have ignited within the last year, when members planted a wooden sign stenciled with red paint on church grounds that read, "Islam is of the devil."
Though protesters picketed, spray-painted and destroyed the sign, the message became Jones' controversial calling card. The slogan adorned Jones' $12.99 book and the church's $15.99 T-shirts and $14.99 coffee mugs. "Have some truth with your coffee," a church advertisement read.
The message earned even more headlines when church members sent their children to public schools wearing the shirts, the Gainesville Sun reported. School officials asked the children to change their shirts or leave.
In March, the church posted another sign that read, "No homo mayor," aimed at openly gay mayoral candidate Craig Lowe. The attack earned sharp rebukes from civil rights' organizations and led to a government investigation into the tax-exempt church's political slant. Lowe, who was elected, later issued a statement calling the church an "embarrassment to our community."
Born in Missouri, Jones, 58, reportedly was employed in the hospitality industry before turning to missionary work about 30 years ago. In 1981, the founder of the Dove World Outreach Center sent Jones and his wife, Sylvia, to set up a church in Cologne, Germany. Jones was expelled by members angered at his "climate of fear and control," according to European media reports.
Critics of Jones, including his adult daughter, Emma Jones, told the Sun that Jones enticed former German parishioners and their children to move overseas to the Gainesville church, then forced them to work long hours for no pay for his family's used furniture business.
The business, listed on eBay as "TS and Co.," operated on church property, took money from tithes and used the church's tax exemption to skimp on the corporate tax bill, the Sun reported. Alachua County officials determined last month that the exemptions did not extend to the business and said the church would be billed $3,200 in corporate taxes.
The center, which sits on 20 acres five miles north of the University of Florida campus, includes two buildings, a baptismal area, six private offices and 1,500 square feet of "luxury quarters," according to a realty listing. It is listed for sale for $2.9 million.

Copyright 2010 St. Petersburg Times

Posted by: postnews1 | September 10, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Don't blame the internet. This one belongs to the President and his administration. You would think the overreation handle was removed after the Sherrod issue but you are wrong. No one could seriously believe that General Petraeus made this comment on his own initiative.

In fact, Americans have been "desecrating" Korans in Iraq and Afghanistan for 8 years, and the local populations are very well aware of this. Why would Petraeus worry that Florida would have more effect than similar activities going on actually IN those countries?

The administration orchestrated this plan with comments from Holder (who as AG should NEVER have gotten involved) and hapless Secretary Clinton. Petraeus no doubt lost ground with his own troops by making us look pusillanimous over the issue.

The current administration has somehow gotten the notion that Obama was elected to be the constitutional sheriff, turning minor issues into major policy blow-ups. He may believe that in doing so he has burnished his image, but there is no doubt that many Democrats who are, unlike himself, up for election in November will feel the public wrath.

Posted by: 54465446 | September 10, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

To all of you right & left wing would be fascists living amongst us, Lawrence O'Donnell (Friday "Morning Joe" on MSNBC) asks the critical question today.

Who are we (i.e. US) afraid of?

Rest assured, the country does not fear a peculiar southern preacher representing some paltry congregation of 30 individuals. Nor does it worry much about the prospect of book burnings. Like crucifixes emerged in urine getting passed off as artwork or the even more mundane flag burning protests, such things happen every day in America.

No, the real answer to O'Donnell's question is both obvious and simple. We are afraid of Islamo terrorists and the violence they will bring to our shores. And for this reason far too many of us are willing to trash the 1st Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

Buck up America and "grow some." We did not become the greatest nation on earth by fearing the capricious threats of barbarians opposed to our way of life. We became what we are by confronting and killing those who would threaten us. This is not rocket science here.

And so it goes...

Posted by: pgould1 | September 10, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

The blame with this story going global clearly lies with the mainstream media, General Petraus and President Obama.

Had Petraus, the White House and Obama said no comment, it would have been no story.

Posted by: hokie92 | September 10, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Why are Today and GMA giving this nutball air time?

Posted by: bs2004 | September 10, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

One can only conclude that Christians are losing the culture wars because they are not violent enough.

The United States Government subsidizes the immersion of crosses in urine -- calls it art. However, it gets very upset about a private citizen burning a Koran.

Why the huge difference in reaction and treatment? Principles? Is fear a principle?

Posted by: scott3 | September 10, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

References to the Newsweek 2005 story having been retracted only obscure the fact that the substance of the story was true. Desecration of the Koran was employed systematically at Guantanamo, Bagram, Abu Ghraib and elsewhere as part of the program of abuse and torture aimed at "breaking" detainees. The Koran was thrown in toilets, kicked,torn up, spat upon and urinated on by guards, private contractors and interrogators. It is this history, and two wars in which hundreds of thousands of Muslims have been killed, that gives the stunt of one religious crackpot in Florida such resonance in the Islamic world.

Posted by: vann1 | September 10, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I predict that after a few more non-stories like this one from Facebook, the regular press will tire of creating them. At least this one drew out some statements of principle from unusual sources. For instance, even Sarah Palin urged tolerance and condemned book burning as unAmerican.

Posted by: tughillb | September 10, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

postnews:

So without that article you thought the guy was ok?

Posted by: 54465446 | September 10, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

"Trent suggests that we've entered an age where any crank can commandeer America's image and endanger the safety of its citizens, thanks to the irresponsibility of television producers."

Ahhh ... The same can be said of Palin, Beck, Gingrich etc in regards to the so-called Islamic culture center with its prayer room.

But hokie92 @ Sep,10,11:44 AM wrote:
"The blame with this story going global clearly lies with the mainstream media, General Petraus and President Obama.
Had Petraus, the White House and Obama said no comment, it would have been no story."

You are clueless aren't you. If any of the above had sidestepped a question about so-called pastor Jones like Boehner did, republicans would have been all over them.
The MSM asked a question and they had no choice but to answer as briefly as possible.

Posted by: knjincvc | September 10, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Do we need any more reasons to end tax free status for all religions/churches?

Posted by: knjincvc | September 10, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

knjincvc wrote:

"You are clueless aren't you. If any of the above had sidestepped a question about so-called pastor Jones like Boehner did, republicans would have been all over them.
The MSM asked a question and they had no choice but to answer as briefly as possible"

Not sure who MSM is but if your are referring to MSNBC can't imagine why that would be an issue since no one watches. if you think this story wasn't 100% orchestrated by the White House you are wrong.

Posted by: 54465446 | September 10, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

There is an interesting asymmetry in the Koran burnings, as Mr. Diehl suggests.

A handful of guys capture some planes in the name of Islam and 3,000 people are dead and everyone rushes to assure Americans that all Muslims are not that way and that this was the act of a few fanatics and that we should not take it out on the poor pitiful sadly misunderstood Muslims.

Then a Danish cartoon is published and the Muslim world goes bananas - burning Danish flags and assaulting embassies and killing not a few of - in this case - their own. It's not about a misguided cartoonist and a publisher, of course. For Muslims all Westerners are infidels.

Then a bunch of kooks in a "church" in Florida threaten to burn some Korans and the Muslim world threatens to go bananas again.

Does no one tell the Muslims that just as they have a few non-representative kooks who kill 3,000 people, so we have our share of irresponsible publishers and religious fanatics who burn books - only at a lower casualty rate?

Oh no, we tap dance around on little cat's feet because we don't want to upset the peace loving (and highly combustible) Muslims. Too much to ask them to think rationally and make reasoned distinctions, right?

Don't get me wrong, the Koran burner is a typical semi-literate fundamentalist and a grandstander who clearly loves the limelight as much as he professes to love God, but this is all getting quite tiresome.

At bare minimum, it is not to much to ask the Muslim world to hew to the standard that it asks of Americans. We will learn to live with your murderous fanatics if you will indulge us our less lethal version of the same.

Posted by: ffrey63 | September 10, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

"But is the fundamental problem the kook, the media who covers him -- or those Muslim leaders who seize on any pretext to foment anti-Western violence? "

Let's go a bit more fundamental: the problem is that in the 21st century a huge portion of humankind still believes a primitive superstition about a supernatural being, and believes it vehemently enough to want to kill and die over the minutiae of that belief. The USA, like the muslim world, is one of the centers of the superstition, and its promoters include virtually every powerful politician.

Posted by: turningfool | September 10, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Ah yes, now we are celebrating our inability to stifle criminally hateful behavior as a glowing example of America The Weird.

Could this be true? Are we a country and a culture spinning crazily, balanced by the sheer variety and depth of mundane weirdness that comprises the fundamental MASS of American Substance.

We are, after all, Americans. We tolerate anything. There is NO fringe trend or human outrage that we cannot turn into a sales pitch or commercial advantage.

We have Gods Own Eye on the dollar bill. We can scour the Earth of religions that do not appeal to us.

Why not applaud ourselves that we have swamp preachers who see no problem with torching holy texts?

Just so long as we assiduously maintain a very rational and very lethal Big Green Machine out there protecting our wacky empire and proving just how dangerous we are to the third world.

Posted by: roboturkey | September 10, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

The media coverage of this yet to occur event reminds me of the Rodney King video that was played incessantly and resulted in a riot.
This is a mainstream media play and it has drawn plenty of eyeballs. And it has already resulted in deaths.

As to those who lament "rampant, mindless Islamophobia" I suggest you read beyond the mainstream media and you will find there is plenty to be phobic about - like the rampant, mindless church burnings and the continuous murders performed by the poor victimized muslims.

Posted by: mipcom | September 10, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Diehl makes an excellent point. The real problem is those who seize upon any pretext to incite anti-Western, or more specifically anti-American violence. The media may have given this story too much play, but consistently has reported that this pastor represents no one but himself and a few other kooks in Florida. Anyone who would seize upon his words as representing those of Americans generally simply hates Americans and is looking for any excuse to attack them.

Posted by: AdrianMole | September 10, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

He is a crackpot big time-he is even trying to divert the outrage poured over his head by switiching the subject and/or linking his idiocy to the planned Islamic Cultural Center in NY.

The burning should not be done because it's wrong,unethical,unchristian and a hate crime-not just because it risks the lives of all American aboroad including soldiers.

Posted by: asizk | September 10, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Let us take a look at the score so far.

Pator Jones-->Fringe Evangelical acting cuckoo by asking to burn Kurans.

Osama Bin Laden-->Fringe Islamist acting cuckoo by blowing up the World Trade Center and attacking the Pentagon.

Now, common sense American leaders lashed out against Pastor Jones. The guy was left with his flock as his whole backers. Yet, he hijacked the media and the world's attention.

Leaders in the Muslim world have yet to unite in lashing out against Osama Bin Laden. In fact, Saudi Arabia continues to finance his terrorist activities.

Muslims, quit crying. Fix your religion first.

Posted by: aleklawyer | September 10, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

This is purely a media driven event. If the local and state media in florida had just ignored this nit-wit minister in the first place because of the ramafacations of it no one would be none the wiser. But because of the irresponsabilty of the media who knows where this will lead. Media no better than other two particapants in this mess.

Posted by: wbrrb146 | September 10, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

That wasn't a Koran flushed down the toilet at Guantanamo, as originally reported by Newsweek--it was the constitution.

Posted by: juddmcb | September 10, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

"...thanks to the miracle of the Internet and far-less-wondrous effect of cable television news"

Uh, thank you, I heard it first and only at the prestigious Washington Post.

Posted by: CA57 | September 10, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

"Yet the fact remains that a minor crackpot has, thanks to the miracle of the Internet and far-less-wondrous effect of cable television news, managed to have a global impact -- and a potentially lethal one at that."

Thank you Mr. Diehl. No one has said it better.

Posted by: fhschecker1 | September 10, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Muslims should not react angrily because of these stunts - burning quran,
cartoons of prophet - by radical child-molesting priests, white suprimacists and their zionist pupeteers. Instead muslims should band together like never before,
kick out all their puppet dictators like mubarak, emir of kuwait, king of saudi,
pakistani puppets, afghan puppets ..., those puppets are employed by their white masters to serve them and foment civil wars.

Posted by: MumboJumboo | September 10, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

AUM.
QURAN BURNING A LIVE ISSUE
By Chitranjan Sawant
it is good for the law and order enforcing agencies that the proposed Quran-burning issue has subsided for the time being. Pastor Terry Jones of the 50-member church that is non-denominational and unattached to an organised Christian body, has deferred the burning issue.The event, however, has not been cancelled as was reported wrongly by a section of the media.
Pastor Terry Jones and Imam Musri of Florida propose to fly to New York on Saturday, 11th Sept 2010, the Ninth Anniversary of Islamist Terror episode in New York to have a chat with the Imam who is the moving spirit behind the ill-conceived construction of a mosque and an Islamic Centre just two blocks away from Ground Zero. The aim of the exercise is to convince the Muslim leaders there to shift the location of the proposed Muslim activity and thus avoid hurting the feelings of those Americans and foreigners who had lost their loved ones on 9/11 in the Islamist terror attack.
The travel plan is fine but the Imam of New York has already taken a stand not to budge an inch on the issue. He is acting like Duryodhan of Mahabharat who was not prepared to concede even land to Pandavas even equivalent to a needle point. Everyone knows that death and destruction followed thereafter.
FLEXIBILITY OF APPROACH
Flexibility of approach to the problem is need of the hour to avoid bloodshed all over the world. Pastor Jones has changed his stand on burning the Quraan which he called an Evil that incited its followers to kill men and women of other faiths, and now wants Muslim leadership in New York to accommodate sentiments of Christians, Hindus, Jewish people and the rest of them all. It is time saner instincts prevailed and the Muslim leadership in New York found a way out of this impasse.
CLASH OF CULTURES
It is not for nothing that almost the entire western comity of nations has turned heat on the rigid Muslim community. In Potsdam, Germany, at a function to felicitate the cartoonist who had caricatured Prophet Muhammad, Sallallah Wasale Wasallum ( PBUH), and where even Chancellor Angela Merkel was present, eminent speakers had criticised the Turkish Muslims settled in Germany for not joining the main stream of German life but remaining secluded in ghettos, keeping their women veiled and not learning the German language. Further,as per reports of the Intelligence services the Islamist terror threat to Germany has increased. Let us ponder over the point that those who threaten other cultures can never be friendly with them. It is advisable for men and women of all faiths to live in peace and shake off prejudices born over a period of time.
The anger of the Muslim community over the proposed burning of Quran may subside if they assimilate lessons of history and atone for sisns of their ancestors who burnt down temples and religious scriptures of Hindus in Asia, Christian churches in Constantinople and converted them into mosques.

Posted by: vedicupvan | September 10, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

fhschecker1 wrote:

"Yet the fact remains that a minor crackpot has, thanks to the miracle of the Internet and far-less-wondrous effect of cable television news, managed to have a global impact -- and a potentially lethal one at that."

Thank you Mr. Diehl. No one has said it better."

You completely overlook the actions of the administration in this. AG Holder's comment on the matter should be considered a public outrage, since his office would have been involved in invesigating any issues
of law breaking there.

Posted by: 54465446 | September 10, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

It's known as "drive by journalism". It happens when the press has been reduced to publishing press releases from whomever controls Washington and Wall Street and, because they have so much time on their hands, not to mention the fact that the reporters have been reduced to limp, emasculated fools, they create hysteria out of some incident that wouldn't even be mentioned by a healthy press. So, instead of front page stories on government lies, manipulated numbers, outright treason on the part of US based multinational corporations, it has come to this. Back in my college days it was known as "Yellow journalism".

Posted by: mibrooks27 | September 10, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I am not in favor of Terry Jones staging a Koran burning. However, this should work both ways. The Muslim world should speak out against their own people who would not only do such a thing, but have. Please refer to the link below:

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/285123/christians_in_gaza_fear_for_their_lives.html?cat=9

Posted by: dweezil22 | September 10, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Of extremists and their stoking media outlets, Abe Lincoln would have said;

"You can fool some of the people, ALL of the time"... ;^)

- Balkingpoints / www

Posted by: RField7 | September 10, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

From the Great Mosque in Mecca Saudi Arabia, Imam Ali ben Ibn ben Mohommed Mohammed addresses all the faithful on the Friday before Eid:

"Pay no heed to those who would desecrate the Books of any great religion, including our own Koran. Those who would burn books of faith and truth are truly religious infidels, whose misdeeds should be addressed in our Friday prayers. We will demonstrate to the whole world that even in the face of an outrage against our Holy Koran, we will remain peaceful, non violent, and steadfast in the truth that Islam is a religion of peace and prayer. We will pray that our Christian brothers in America can show the same religious tolerance that Islam shows to all the religions of the Book.
Allahu Akhbar."

Posted by: captn_ahab | September 10, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

now we know what button to push...
hope to see more people out there pushing it bringing the terrorists out into the open...
keep your guns handy...

Posted by: DwightCollins | September 10, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

The meaning of the whole article is in the last sentence. Peaceful Muslim World is ready to burst into violence for whatever reason, any moment. It is like "don't provoke the bully, be smarter, just walk away, yield". But whatever you do, provocation or not, the bully will find the reason to burst into violence.

Posted by: pihto999 | September 10, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Muslim around the world should be cheering the First Amendment rights of the good pastor to burn the Koran or any other offensive symbol.


Posted by: Jerzy | September 10, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

What we need to be asking each other is: what is bad about the hateful & dangerous PARTS of Islam? AND of Christianity? AND of Mormonism? AND of Judaism? AND of Catholicism? Every major religion demeans women, other faiths, and intellectual thought. In fact, opposes all the major advances of civilization. SO WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND SHOULD WANT THESE NEGATIVE AND BACKWARDS INFLUENCES TO CONTINUE??????? We can stop the madness… if we want to…

Posted by: LawsLuvr | September 10, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

The media can turn anyone into a star, even a community organizer.

Posted by: rivermountain | September 10, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

We are taking action to avoid the fall out from burning a medieval book.I wish we would take action to remedy the fall out from people taking other people's land in the name of a medieval book.

Posted by: mohammadakhan | September 10, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Terry Jones is not an isolated kook. He is a mainstream "wingnut" saying nothing that you wouldn't hear at any Tea Party meeting. It is important that the media cover people like Jones! Or Sharron Angle, or Rand Paul. The media should be covering the WaPo's Charles Krauthammer, who is responsible for the dissemination of some of the vilest concepts of our times (torture is necessary, for example).

Posted by: gposner | September 10, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

I think the more exposure hate mongers have the better the public is by knowing who is whom.

Too bad the media doesn't apply this same standard to people who are running for election. If they had we wouldn't have some of the people running for office that we now have. I have faith in the American public and I think if the views (based on their own words) of Angle and Paul were truly known they would not have won their elections.

Posted by: rlj1 | September 10, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

OOPS, the Post has a front page story about them still burning and rioting in Afghanistan. Don't they know the Presidnet saved the day? Don't they knkow they can go back to watching TV and not being extremists now? Damn, I guess they don't get Twitter.

Posted by: 54465446 | September 10, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Yes, certainly irresponsible television producers have a share of the blame for giving this kook a soapbox to stand on. But newspaper and web site editors do, too.

Posted by: boston9 | September 10, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Yes, certainly irresponsible television producers have a share of the blame for giving this kook a soapbox to stand on. But newspaper and web site editors do, too.

Posted by: boston9 | September 10, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

boston9 wrote:

"Yes, certainly irresponsible television producers have a share of the blame for giving this kook a soapbox to stand on. But newspaper and web site editors do, too"

How about something totally crazy and just off the wall, like oh I don't know, maybe blaming Islamic fundamentalism?

Posted by: 54465446 | September 10, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

This is the first time I ever thought the media created a monster. So, yes, the media gave this crackpot the podium he so desired and turned this moron into a world wide story. Great job "media"(heavy on the sarcasm).

Posted by: MILWI | September 10, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Diehl: Did the media make a minor crackpot into a lethal threat?

+++++++
Is this a GEICO commercial? Does Charlie Daniels play a mean fiddle? Did the little pig cry we we we all the way home? Is a bird in the hand worth two in the bush?

Posted by: beachbum09 | September 10, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

While I don't agree with Pastor Trent's proposed action to burn the Koran I nevertheless believe firmly in his right to do so as an American citizen living in the United States. Such freedom comes with costs; the threat of violence in response to the burning of the Koran is something Americans need to accept in exchange for living in a free society.

Posted by: racker9999 | September 10, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

No one has burned a Koran yet and look at all the violence occurring in the Muslim nations. So much for a religion of peace.

I thought I'd never say this, but I'm beginning to wish we had the cowboy back in office. Obama seems to incite division not only in our own country but now its spreading around the world.

Posted by: 45upnorth | September 10, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

How ironic that there are no fewer than three headlines related to this story on the Wash Post homepage.

Posted by: Asahi3 | September 10, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

forrester1 has a very good point. May I suggest to him not to forget to read " The Age of Reason " as well. About time to become reasonable for Gods' sake. Our founding fathers were smarter and logical indeed.

Posted by: atrium | September 10, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Of course the media turned a crackpot into a global threat! That's all the media does anymore! How else could the TeaParty exist, and Sarah Palin have prospered beyond her 15 minutes? The only media with $$ is rightwing (Limbaugh, Beck, Murdoch and the shadowy Koch billions); the rest reprints what the right wingnuts tell them is 'news'. We reap the treasonous violence our media sows....

Posted by: jbh3 | September 10, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

First: Book burnings were an infamous symbolic gesture of the Nazi movement in Germany to brand dissidents and opponents, ...and jews. It was anti-intellectual and racist. We should not associate ourselves in any way with the practicies of that regime.

Second: Pastor Jones has stated in one of his TV interviews that he was only doing what God told him to do. I also read an interview with his daughter: she reported that he had also recounted previously receiving orders directly from God, and that he considered himself the modern equivalent of Moses. Taken together, these symptoms, as we really need to call them, hint at a mental disorder, probably paranoid schizophrenia.

...so.... the coutry and the world is giving 24/7 attention to someone who is at least mentally unstable, if not outright insane. His First Amendment rights are being discussed. His horrendous opinions are being taken as something to be considered seriously. Instead, the man should be medically examined, medicated, and eventually admitted to a psychiatric hospital.

Posted by: flyer | September 10, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Minor crackpots like Terry Jones are an awful distraction to the major crackpots in our media and politics.Such people should not be encouraged while the NY mosque Imam,a major crackpot by any standard,goes global with the American taxpayer money.

Posted by: vismorge | September 10, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Actually, we should be putting the blame where it belongs, which is squarely on the right wingers who have been fomenting anti-Muslim hatred and fear since 9/11. When Obama became president, they ramped it up for political fodder. The GOP leadership, elected and unelected, instead of condemning the mean spirited attacks on Muslims and Islamaphobic hysteria have been deliberately fanning the flames. What they've effectively done is created a climate which emboldens nut jobs like this pastor. You can't ignore these nut jobs now. They're will be copycats, because behind the scenes they're being encouraged. Even if the media ignores them, anyone with a cell phone camera can take pictures and post them on the Internet. My point is, this guy would never have done this if he didn't think it was condoned by a certain fairly large swath of the population, ie, the right wingers.

Posted by: ggwalt | September 10, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Republic Party he's your problem... live with consequences of your do nothing inaction. CHEERS!

Posted by: whocares666 | September 10, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Much of twenty-first-century American media has become irresponsible in this web driven deregulated age. This story was and is - at best -- a local human interest feature for the Ganesville, FL area. It was picked up and blown out of proportion by immature money driven corporate media. However, the conundrum remains: Why is it "OK" that the Middle Eastern populations/media can burn/broadcast/break anything Western without hesitation - yet, the reverse is a damnable sin?

Posted by: bebahru07 | September 10, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Some are proposing that the federal government legislate "hate speech"

WHO will decide WHAT hate speech is?

Will it be the LIBERALS, LIBERTARIANS, or the CONSERVATIVES? Will it be Christians, Atheists, Catholics, Jewish or Islamic groups? Will it be the Whites, Blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, etc...who will be defining what hate speech is?

WHAT ABOUT OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS TO FREE SPEECH? Are they going to change the constitution too?

Posted by: neversaylie | September 10, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Nah.... November 2nd did. Yawn... Next!

Posted by: deepthroat21 | September 10, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Why is it "OK" that the Middle Eastern populations/media can burn/broadcast/break anything Western without hesitation - yet, the reverse is a damnable sin?

Posted by: bebahru07
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"But s/he started it."

Posted by: shhhhh | September 10, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

The “On Faith” section of the Washington Post is the most useless, nonsensical section in any newspaper in the world; regardless of the author, the side that is taken and the point of view expressed is ALWAYS the wrong one. Diehl must contribute there often. If this guy did this for attention then I have a question: Is this the kind of attention that you would want? At this point he has to burn them; it is now a question of whether “We the people” are going to be bullied around by a bunch of “peaceful Muslims.” The president all the way down to those phony “religious leaders” who begged this guy not to do such a thing are all embarrassments to this nation and the Constitution that it was built upon. You’re an American, Jones, and you have every right to burn the damn things and thumb your nose at the world as they are going up in flames.

Posted by: newsboy3 | September 10, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Well said, NomoStew.

Posted by: apn3206 | September 10, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

It is not the media's fault. The Muslim leaders know how to read and write. If the 'preacher' in FL burns a bunch of Koran's, it will be reported somewhere, and the 'preachers' in the Middle East will find out about it and use it to rally their members against our troops.

Posted by: ad9inaz | September 10, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Am I living in the Twilight Zone?....The dude can do whatever he wants with the Koran....This is America. What about what Maplethorpe did to a crucifix? Big deal....Christians handled it OK.

Posted by: ConcernedWoman1 | September 10, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.
John Stuart Mill
English economist & philosopher (1806 - 1873)

Posted by: neec13 | September 10, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

45upnorth, Exactly how is it that this is Obama's fault? How did you make that amazing leap? Did Obama go tell this conservative backed moron to do the things he does?

Posted by: swatkins1 | September 10, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Really? The Media irresponsible? Hard to believe.

Posted by: map529 | September 10, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

ConcernedWoman1 wrote: "What about what Maplethorpe did to a crucifix? Big deal....Christians handled it OK."

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Um.....That was Andres Serrano. "Piss Christ". And boy, did the Christians howl about it, especially after Dick Armey started foaming at the mouth about federal dollars being spent on Serrano's art grant!

But your point is taken.

Posted by: swatkins1 | September 10, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Heck, the liberal media put a community organizer in the White House and he's proving more and more lethal each day – to this country.

Posted by: mjapr | September 10, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, this mess was driven by the Obama adminsitration for political purposes. The media's role was secondary.

Posted by: 54465446 | September 10, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

No one can stop him from burning the books, but I hope he's got the money for a personal security force. Some Muslim person who's as crazy as Jones may want to retaliate. All religions are comprised of good and bad people.

Posted by: lddoyle2002 | September 10, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Read this Jackson Diehl remark at the end of this comment. Here is the problem: too many American leaders don't talk about the immaturity of a huge number of Muslims. At the core of it is Islam's barbaric treatment of women. Once you don't say that, then you won't say anything.

"News producers, like Gen. Petraeus, know very well that any reported insult to Islam in the West has the potential to produce a vast and ugly overreaction across the Muslim world."

Posted by: JohnnyGee | September 10, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse


And still, Diehl,

it is not the Muslims who are the most hated in teh world...it is the JEWS.

It's not Muslims whose numbers have been
reduced over centuries because they are hated and hunted, and who can't find a place to live where they're accepted, it's the Jews.

And your really ugly column goes a long way to expalaining why. Fetid monster!

Posted by: whistling | September 10, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

No, I don't think so. In this age, it only takes one idiot to make a huge stink and this guy reaks. What would you do, ask US media not to follow the story? that won't matter, it's all over the internet. At least, as it is, the world can see that most people here think this is idiocy. Whereas if you suppressed the story, the line would be that we support him.

Posted by: michael5 | September 10, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Aiding and comforting the enemy by providing them with a propaganda video for widespread use against our troops in time of war is treason.

Where is Lord Cheney's "Patriot Act" now or does he condone letting right-wing "Christian" loonies "get around the law" like he did?

Posted by: areyousaying | September 10, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

It is the GOP's problem. They've created these "monsters". Do some research. Check out the right wing blogosphere, media, Fox, etc. It's been 9 years since 9/11. You'd think anti-Islamic sentiment and threats of Quran burning would have escalated in the first few years after 9/11 and diminished by now. So what's different? It's simple. While we had a right wing evangelical conservative Republican in the WH, the right wingers behaved themselves. Once we got a Democrat in the WH, an African American at that, the right wingers went off the deep end, and the hysteria hasn't stopped. Their insanity has spilled into the mainstream, and Republicans in Congress are trying to capitalize on it. There's really no distinction anymore between the radical right and mainstream right. The GOP leadership ignores the horrible behavior and in some cases eggs it on, particularly people like Newt, Sarah, and the folks on Fox. It's truly shameful. It's really starting to feel like the lunatics are taking over the asylum in this country. We know they're already just about done taking over the GOP, judging by the number of Tea Party candidates winning primaries.

Posted by: ggwalt | September 10, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

It is the GOP's problem. They've created these "monsters". Do some research. Check out the right wing blogosphere, media, Fox, etc. It's been 9 years since 9/11. You'd think anti-Islamic sentiment and threats of Quran burning would have escalated in the first few years after 9/11 and diminished by now. So what's different? It's simple. While we had a right wing evangelical conservative Republican in the WH, the right wingers behaved themselves. Once we got a Democrat in the WH, an African American at that, the right wingers went off the deep end, and the hysteria hasn't stopped. Their insanity has spilled into the mainstream, and Republicans in Congress are trying to capitalize on it. There's really no distinction anymore between the radical right and mainstream right. The GOP leadership ignores the horrible behavior and in some cases eggs it on, particularly people like Newt, Sarah, and the folks on Fox. It's truly shameful. It's really starting to feel like the lunatics are taking over the asylum in this country. We know they're already just about done taking over the GOP, judging by the number of Tea Party candidates winning primaries.

Posted by: ggwalt | September 10, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

A bunch of dirty arabs in sheets with smoke from burning fires in the background. Half of them don't even know what they're protesting they just love chanting death to america. You can't reason with or appease those people. They're a scourge on the planet. Like herpes. You can't cure herpes, you can only deal with the symptoms.

Posted by: peterg73

...and Soap Opera Sarah tells us her white-supremacist, "Christian" inbred teabagger cousins of Fred Phelps aren't racist. Was she lying like George the Dumber when he said his Lord Cheney's Christian Oil Crusades aren't about religion or a war on Islam? Methinks someone at Fox News needs to study their Ninth Commandment.

Posted by: areyousaying | September 10, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Add "Pastor: Terry Jones to the list of reasons why voters should reject RepuBPlican Huckabee theocracy again in November.

Posted by: areyousaying | September 10, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

areyousaying wrote:

"Aiding and comforting the enemy by providing them with a propaganda video for widespread use against our troops in time of war is treason.

Where is Lord Cheney's "Patriot Act" now or does he condone letting right-wing "Christian" loonies "get around the law" like he did?"

I'm sure that you are a smart, gainfully employed person in some field of human endeavor. Why make yourself look like an idiot by talking about treason when you obviously know nothing whatsoever about the law?

Just say Dick Cheney is an evil man, and I'll agree with you and we can move on.

Posted by: 54465446 | September 10, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

"Did the media make a minor crackpot into a lethal threat?"

Yes, the media created this mess. Now please send me my check for doing YOUR job.

Posted by: jjedif | September 10, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

How is it that media representatives like Diehl can fret about media overhype of non-consequential figures while at the same time their paper runs countless articles on those same inconsequential figures? It's like a bunch of cooks complaining about all the food being prepared!

Diehl, the media "are" YOU. The answer to your question is yea, so get together with your colleagues and stop doing it!

Posted by: Buddydog | September 10, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

The Pastor represents the right wing of America, probably well over 50% of the public. He is right in line with Gingrich and Palin.

Posted by: timothy2me | September 10, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

timothy2me wrote:

"The Pastor represents the right wing of America, probably well over 50% of the public. He is right in line with Gingrich and Palin."

If that were true it would make the 2008 election entirely inexplicable on any level.

Posted by: 54465446 | September 10, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse


felix suliveres September 10th, 2010 5:52 pm ET
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
This man is not a Cristian Pastor for what he wants to due its a very wrong and dangerous. He's no showing the love of God on what he plannig to due. He will start a ball of fire
in very dry and larch (FOREST)no only at home but with every american everywhere; this act will complicate the job at IRAQ AS WELL AS AFGANISTAN. This man is an EVIL CARACTER. WE THE PEOPLE: DON'T NEED THIS; NO NOW, NOT EVER!

Posted by: fexjr39 | September 10, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Freedom of speech is not free. It has consequences.

We are a "free" country. We let people like this pastor spout their hatred and demonstrate their stupidity because stopping it is worse overall.

This kind of madness always gets attention. I used to cover the hate-centered public events of the Reverend Fred Phelps. They demand attention. But a spineless public lets these hypocrites wallow in hate also. And politicians looking to rouse the rabble with calls to hatred help create the soil in which such slime grows.

Posted by: kcbob | September 10, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse


felix suliveres September 10th, 2010 5:52 pm ET
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
This man is not a Cristian Pastor for what he wants to due its a very wrong and dangerous. He's no showing the love of God on what he plannig to due. He will start a ball of fire
in very dry and larch (FOREST)no only at home but with every american everywhere; this act will complicate the job at IRAQ AS WELL AS AFGANISTAN. This man is an EVIL CARACTER. WE THE PEOPLE: DON'T NEED THIS; NO NOW, NOT EVER!

Posted by: fexjr39 | September 10, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

"Think of the cartoons of Mohammed published in a Danish newspaper in 2005, an irresponsible but minor provocation that led to attacks on the Danish embassies in Syria, Lebanon and Iran and calls for a boycott of Danish products across the Muslim world."

They weren't a minor provocation, they were cartoons, some of them good ones.

That the "religion of peace" could summon up death threats and attacks on embassies is an excellent example of the truth. A fairly large number of these folks are stark raving bonkers, and many of those want to kill us, even on a good day.

If they don't like what we do they should use diplomatic or other civilized methods to protest. If they use violence we should respond in a really remarkable way.

Posted by: powellsanmiguel | September 10, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Koran burner goes global

Diehl: Did the media make a minor crackpot into a lethal threat?
--------------------------------------------

Of course !! This guy was a small bit of refuse until the Associated Press and that academic both chimed in -- AP by reporting extensively on a small-brained crackpot, and the academic by writing about how outraged she was that this loony-tune could be operating in her back yard. Then, as expected, AP simply wrote stories about the academic's rant.

The rest of the media, including the WaPo, NY Times and everyone else out there, took those reports as all the justification needed to flat run away with the so-called story. In the process, the media turned this fool into a Tea-Bagger matinee idol.

The crackpot ended up making global headlines, but not because he's brain-dead or because his stupid little stunt was anything other than a stupid little hate stunt.

He made global headlines because, like the food addict staring at the cookie jar at 1 a.m., news outlets -- particularly cable news operations -- found a sleaze non-event that was bound to stir controversy simply irresistible.

It happens over and over again: so-called "responsible" modern media outlets wait until someone else in that business writes or broadcasts something stupid and of NO value, and then the WaPosts and the NY Times pounce.

Their rationale? The story's out there now, we simply can't ignore it.

Posted by: loulor | September 10, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Diehl, you people in the “Media” created the Tea Party sensation essentially from whole cloth. You created the Arizona “Papers Please” controversy essentially from whole cloth. You created the “Ground Zero Mosque” sensation essentially from whole cloth. You people in the “Media” continue to promote bigotry in a variety of forms because doing so serves you well.

Posted by: Provincial | September 10, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

loulor and provincial:

This controversy was blown out of the water by the Administration for political purposes.

Posted by: 54465446 | September 10, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

I am not a right winger I support ever legal US citizens right to demostrate their 1st Amendment Rights. The ACLU didnt like the KKK when the supported their rights to demostrate in a Jewish neighborhood.
We have clearly lost our rights as US citizens to the terrorism of the Muslums with support of the Obama Administration.

This is truth, Right or Left it doesn't matter we where all citizens of a great country.

Posted by: dannyboyrules | September 10, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

I am not a right winger I support ever legal US citizens right to demostrate their 1st Amendment Rights. The ACLU didnt like the KKK when the supported their rights to demostrate in a Jewish neighborhood.
We have clearly lost our rights as US citizens to the terrorism of the Muslums with support of the Obama Administration.

This is truth, Right or Left it doesn't matter we where all citizens of a great country.

Posted by: dannyboyrules | September 10, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

"Did the media make a minor crackpot into a lethal threat?"

Is the Pope Catholic?

The media is responsible for the whole fiasco. Jones is a raving lunatic and the media loves raving lunatics.

Posted by: therev1 | September 10, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

The only possible answer to the question posed by the author is, "Duh!"

Posted by: exco | September 10, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

TO: rivermountain who wrote:
“The media can turn anyone into a star, even a community organizer…”

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Stuck on stupid.

If you only knew how dumb you sound, you wouldn’t keep on repeating that garbage.


Posted by: lindalovejones | September 10, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

The Christian terrorists and jihadists are a penny worth of difference from the Islamic counterparts. When the Army of God murders a doctor or al-Queda kills a gay person, what is the difference to the victims?

Jones of course is a nut. However, this story is going to feed many other nuts here. Now that Jones got the attention he was desperate for, he'll need to explain why he was thrown out of Germany from ripping off and abusing his little congregation.

Posted by: revbookburn | September 10, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Why is Jackson Diehl attacking Christianity?

Posted by: lichtme | September 10, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

The Christian terrorists and jihadists are a penny worth of difference from the Islamic counterparts. When the Army of God murders a doctor or al-Queda kills a gay person, what is the difference to the victims?

Jones of course is a nut. However, this story is going to feed many other nuts here. Now that Jones got the attention he was desperate for, he'll need to explain why he was thrown out of Germany from ripping off and abusing his little congregation.

Posted by: revbookburn | September 10, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse


This whole media frenzy shines the light that much brighter on how Muslim extremism affects the U.S. constitution for every citizen in every little town and county in our country. (No one would care without that "extremists will kill people if you do that" fanning the flames.)

Posted by: kls1 | September 10, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Can he do it? Of course!
My opinion of it? I'm against it!

My question is where have all these defenders of religion been all these years? When have bible burners been assumed to be "lunatics" on the pages of the WaPo?

Posted by: scott3 | September 10, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Christian terrorist = Koran burner
Islamic terrorist = World Trade Center burner

So many similarities...

Posted by: scott3 | September 10, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

The media panders to idiots. That's the capitalistic way. Idiots in other countries misjudge us? Well, if we had any sense, we wouldn't be trying to make "friends" with idiots.

Posted by: rusty3 | September 10, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

This is no different than the Mohammed
cartoon controversy (except, of course,
that it's part/parcel of American culture
to heap venom upon evangelicals but
not on cartoonists, for some reason):
Some guy wants to express himself by
burning korans or drawing an Arab with
a bomb (who ever heard of such a thing?)
and right away we all get in a darn tizzy
because it will offend those who defend
the right of Arabs to carry and deploy
bombs!

http://islamisbad.com

Terry Jones's idea of exchanging his
not burning Korans for the NY mosque
being moved is an intriguing one: Now
that we have finally found a means of
curbing the obnoxious behavior of
Muslims at a rather cheap price, why
not take immediate advantage of it:
Burn a koran every time a Muslim burns
an American Flag (which are as sacred
to Americans as korans are to Muslims).
Tho'instead of burning korans because,
like Terry Jones [wasn't he with Monty
Python?] "it offends my superstition!"
a koran burner could instead say: "for
those who burnt that American flag in
Gaza, this flaming koran's for you."]

This would place the onus of burning
korans where it really belongs: on those
who burn American flags. So, if Muslims
wish to see korans burning, all they have
to do is continue to burn American flags.
And then it is Muslims and no one else
who are burning korans: Problem solved
completely mutually satisfactorily! And
we'll all be friends/buddies forever:

But seriously, remember what Voltaire
(one of the principal inspirations of the
people who founded this country), what
Voltaire said: "I do not agree with what
you have to say, but I'll defend to the
death your right to say it." (This is a
conviction which is enshrined in our
Constitution.) And if a Frenchie can lay
his life on the line like that for freedom
of expression... don't you think that a
people like us (who have freedom of
expression guaranteed in our Constitution)
can go the extra mile and abide a few
books being burned (no matter whom
may wish to take offense at it)?

Constitutional protection of freedom of
speech and freedom of expression are
not needed for the idiot shouting: "Don't
kill babies! Don't kill babies!" It is needed
and required for the busybody shouting:
"Don't have babies! Don't have babies!"
who might otherwise be killed (perhaps
by a mob of enraged pregnant women).

And, for those [liberals!!!] who are now
contemplating trying to enact even more
laws against "hate speech" ... I say: Sure!
Why not? Anything to make it easier for
an American tyrant to muffle dissent. And,
could I be appointed the Ultimate Arbiter
of exactly which speech/form of expression
is hateful? (pretty please!) I find a LOT of
stuff hateful... and would love the POWER
to finally get rid of some of it.

S D Rodrian
http://sdrodrian.com

.

Posted by: sdr1 | September 10, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

This is no different than the Mohammed
cartoon controversy (except, of course,
that it's part/parcel of American culture
to heap venom upon evangelicals but
not on cartoonists, for some reason):
Some guy wants to express himself by
burning korans or drawing an Arab with
a bomb (who ever heard of such a thing?)
and right away we all get in a darn tizzy
because it will offend those who defend
the right of Arabs to carry and deploy
bombs!

http://islamisbad.com

Terry Jones's idea of exchanging his
not burning Korans for the NY mosque
being moved is an intriguing one: Now
that we have finally found a means of
curbing the obnoxious behavior of
Muslims at a rather cheap price, why
not take immediate advantage of it:
Burn a koran every time a Muslim burns
an American Flag (which are as sacred
to Americans as korans are to Muslims).
Tho'instead of burning korans because,
like Terry Jones [wasn't he with Monty
Python?] "it offends my superstition!"
a koran burner could instead say: "for
those who burnt that American flag in
Gaza, this flaming koran's for you."]

This would place the onus of burning
korans where it really belongs: on those
who burn American flags. So, if Muslims
wish to see korans burning, all they have
to do is continue to burn American flags.
And then it is Muslims and no one else
who are burning korans: Problem solved
completely mutually satisfactorily! And
we'll all be friends/buddies forever:

But seriously, remember what Voltaire
(one of the principal inspirations of the
people who founded this country), what
Voltaire said: "I do not agree with what
you have to say, but I'll defend to the
death your right to say it." (This is a
conviction which is enshrined in our
Constitution.) And if a Frenchie can lay
his life on the line like that for freedom
of expression... don't you think that a
people like us (who have freedom of
expression guaranteed in our Constitution)
can go the extra mile and abide a few
books being burned (no matter whom
may wish to take offense at it)?

Constitutional protection of freedom of
speech and freedom of expression are
not needed for the idiot shouting: "Don't
kill babies! Don't kill babies!" It is needed
and required for the busybody shouting:
"Don't have babies! Don't have babies!"
who might otherwise be killed (perhaps
by a mob of enraged pregnant women).

And, for those [liberals!!!] who are now
contemplating trying to enact even more
laws against "hate speech" ... I say: Sure!
Why not? Anything to make it easier for
an American tyrant to muffle dissent. And,
could I be appointed the Ultimate Arbiter
of exactly which speech/form of expression
is hateful? (pretty please!) I find a LOT of
stuff hateful... and would love the POWER
to finally get rid of some of it.

S D Rodrian
http://sdrodrian.com

.

Posted by: sdr1 | September 10, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Putting things in to proper perspective...

Sticks and stones,

(and men flying planes in to buildings)

may break your bones. (or kill you)

But names,

(or building a mosque and burning religious books),

will never 'hurt" you! (you'll still be alive and intact)

How much easier life would be if no one could cause a reaction by deliberately hurting someone elses 'feelings'.

Posted by: AverageJane | September 10, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

If Islam is the Religion of Peace, then why is Islam calling for Death to Americans? It is high time someone dig into the Quran and Islamic History and report the truth. Americans and America have been lately educating themselves about Islam, and recognizing the real threat to America. This is what has stirred so many, to stand up for the Freedoms we have, the ones that Islam wants to abolish and take control by Murder if need be. Please Report Truth, and warn America. Rev. Earl D Trent Jr, Please search the site:" Three things about Islam", and pay attention. This should provolk even further study into this Bloodthirsty so called religion. Let the truth be known, politically correct kindness to this enemey to all should not apply. Report Truth.

Posted by: dennismartin60 | September 10, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

If Islam is the Religion of Peace, then why is Islam calling for Death to Americans? It is high time someone dig into the Quran and Islamic History and report the truth. Americans and America have been lately educating themselves about Islam, and recognizing the real threat to America. This is what has stirred so many, to stand up for the Freedoms we have, the ones that Islam wants to abolish and take control by Murder if need be. Please Report Truth, and warn America. Rev. Earl D Trent Jr, Please search the site:" Three things about Islam", and pay attention. This should provolk even further study into this Bloodthirsty so called religion. Let the truth be known, politically correct kindness to this enemey to all should not apply. Report Truth.

Posted by: dennismartin60 | September 10, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

By himself and 50 followers, maybe the media should have ignored him. Then Muslims couldn't be offended if they didn't hear about it. The problem is, it's not just those 50. There were 9000 people who signed up for the Facebook group supporting the Koran burning at that church. That is definitely media worthy.

Posted by: mcriswell | September 10, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

"... But is the fundamental problem the kook, the media who covers him -- or those Muslim leaders who seize on any pretext to foment anti-Western violence? ..." -- Shallow claims like this will not help the situation. As Diehl said, if it's Jews or Christians that Jones is maligning, we would never have heard of him. But right now, the countries that are being or are planned to be bombed and destroyed (for mostly made-up excuses) by a coalition of the most militarily powerful countries in the world (the West) are not predominantly Jewish or Christian. There's just no reason for Jews and Christians to rise up in arms. But in those victim countries, I bet it's easy to foment anti-Western sentiments!

Posted by: KT11 | September 10, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

All this foolish man has done is recruit thousands of terrorists willing to harm not only us but especially his flock with a bulls-eye painted on. Buying the WTC mosque property for 20 million will end the ignorant protests considering 1/10th of the people against give a dollar and it's done. Telling TN and MN and 3 other places you cannot deny a permit for a mosque, we have a first amendment is the proper way to show what America is all about. The terrorist and the fake mujaideen martyrs that have killed more believers than the west for over 2 centuries doing the Sunni/Shia control war that goes on today in the mountains of Yemen (Sunni's won big with Saudi help). Hamas and Hezzbolah are arms of Iran's Revolutionary guard, doing good deeds along with mayhem and terror. I would like to hear an Iman say our drone attacks are the families of the innocents harmed taking a proper revenge. A Sunni/Shia conference center to end the 1000 year war would sound much better than a Cordoba and could be located near the U.N. I call on WaPo to set up a fund to buy the land and make it a shrine to the known dead and tracking down the missing persons. A dollar from every American against building the mosque there would be more than enough.

Posted by: jameschirico | September 10, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely! Once again the MSM has shown itself to be incapable of taking responsibility for its actions. Don't blame this on "social" or is that anti-social? media. You guys have made Terry Jones into something that will sell whatever particular media your arm of the MSM is vending.

Whatever happens, MSM shares a great deal blame for the consequences. And don't go saying, "well we were only reporting." And don't go saying, "well we did this analysis piece so we're not culpable."

MSM disgusts me as much as politicians disgust me!

Posted by: Roofelstoon | September 10, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

It's a shame the media allows insane freaks like Terry Jones a platform to hate.

Posted by: TwoTermObama | September 10, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Publishing cartoons of mohammed was an irresponsible provocation? How so? Political cartoons are supposed to be provocative. Sounds like Mr. Diehl thinks that the cartoonists should muzzle themselves and be real careful not to draw anything that might, god forbid, offend muslims. Could that be because vast numbers of muslims -- oh, I mean a minority or muslims, say maybe 10% of 4 billion people (thats 400 million people for those of you who can't do the math) -- are liable to respond to any insult to their prophet with extreme violence.

Posted by: mediabiasdoesntexist | September 10, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Though Jones is entitled to freedom of speech, I believe this charlatan's actions are illegal for 3 reasons. First, what he is doing is tantamount to yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. His posturing and threats are knowingly creating a public menace and should be viewed as disorderly conduct. Second, he was denied a permit for this event, which means he would be breaking the local fire laws. Third, and most importantly, reasonable people (such as Gen. Petraeus and Defense Sec. Gates) have legitimate reason to believe Jones' proposed actions are a threat to all Americans abroad and to our soldiers in a war zone and at their bases. Therefore, if he doesn't back down he should be arrested for inciting a riot.
This clown must be stopped NOW. We are at war with al-Quaida and the Taliban. We are not at war with Islam and should not give extremists a propaganda coup by acting as if we are.
The last thing the world needs are televised images of Jones and his followers hijacking the true meaning of Christianity while destroying the holy text of all Muslims.
I believe in due process, but there is a demonstrated need to be pro-active to protect our troops and the American public. If Jones is stopped and he feels his rights are violated, let him try to sue the Justice Department. Any group or organization that would support him in that effort would become outcasts in our society as well. Crackpots such as Jones should not be encouraged to create international incidents in exchange for their 15 minutes of fame.

Posted by: woolleyjfw | September 10, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the fundamental problem is the hundreds of millions of muslims (a very very very small minority of the billions of muslims in the world) who are very glad and capable of committing anti-Western violence on their own without any prodding from their "muslim leaders."

Posted by: mediabiasdoesntexist | September 10, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Well, of course the media is blameless they just want to sell the news.
It is sad, that the whole world has to know about an idiot and 30 of his followers.
Best of luck you media/news people, I understand that you have to make a living at any cost.

Posted by: kissimre | September 10, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

When Muslims pulverized the giant Buddha statues, did anybody in muslim world condemned that? They are very communal and respect only theirs and hate everything about others.

Posted by: hakam1 | September 10, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

When Muslims pulverized the giant Buddha statues, did anybody in muslim world condemned that? They are very communal and respect only theirs and hate everything about others.

Posted by: hakam1 | September 10, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Why yes, the media, including the Washington Post, threw gasoline on the fire to make profit. It's a simple question with a clear and obvious answer. Here's hoping the media chokes on the Twinkies they buy with the profits. I'm sure the shareholders will be happy though, and after all profit is all that matters anyway right?

Posted by: Nymous | September 10, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

If the press had just ignored this kook, none of this now dangerous mess would have gotten off the ground. Why is it that things that need to be ignored are blown so out of proportion by the press? Now we all, and especially our men and women serving our country, are in even more danger than ever before. Free speech is one thing, but this is worse than treason. Come on US press - just ignore the nuts and focus on more important things!

Posted by: momE1 | September 10, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

wolleyjfw wrote:

"I believe in due process, but there is a demonstrated need to be pro-active to protect our troops and the American public. If Jones is stopped and he feels his rights are violated, let him try to sue the Justice Department. Any group or organization that would support him in that effort would become outcasts in our society as well. Crackpots such as Jones should not be encouraged to create international incidents in exchange for their 15 minutes of fame."

No you only believe in due process and freedom of speech for people who agree with you. You don't understand even the tiniest part of what the First Amendment means because you want to censor the speech FIRST, and then let the individual sue somewhere in the course of time. If whoever taught you history or poly sci in school read your post, they would despair.

Posted by: 54465446 | September 10, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

What is it you guys say about checking your sources? When you finally get around to it, the bum turns out to be a piece of toilet paper not worth a column inch. And you gave him his 15 minutes. Congrats.

Posted by: postnews1 | September 10, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't the President have the prerogative to declare specific activities "danger for national security?" Here's the perfect opportunity: This nuts who who wants to burn Korans and these delinquants with their plan to build a mosque on ground zero. Both are cults of lunatics. They are dangers to our national security. They should be jailed until they come to their senses. This would just be routine in any European country --England, France, Italy, etc.

Posted by: RegisUrgel | September 10, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

When Muslims pulverized the giant Buddha statues, did anybody in muslim world condemned that? They are very communal and respect only theirs and hate everything about others.

Posted by: hakam1 | September 10, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Did you hear about the Moron that said "NO"?
I love to read the W Post because I love to read what IDIOT think. WRONG !!
Idiot can't (can not) think.
HELLO!!

Posted by: haggerty_william | September 10, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Diehl's sleight of hand should not go unremarked. Petraeus, Obama, Palin, Clinton, and Angelina Jolie (!) are not "news producers." WaPo, the Times, the WSJ, etc., produce the news, and it is they not the politicos who made this wretched "pastor's" plan into a worldwide crisis. And a crisis it was with three thousand protesting lunatics surrounding the US embassy in Indonesia.

The mistake of Obama, et al, was in (1) (publicly) trying to dissuade Jones from exercising his First Amendment rights and (2) in failing to chastise the media.

The media has become thoroughly irresponsible fomenting discord, confrontation, playing fake gotcha journalism, and then disingenuously "reflecting" up itself. Less than a century ago, the media was in the public domain. We need to get it back.

In the meantime, we need to inform the President that we do not intend to allow him or anyone else to burn the Bill of Rights.

Posted by: Farnaz1Mansouri1 | September 10, 2010 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Pastor Jones has had the courage to state openly what many hypocrite " political correct " people have in mind and subsequently ACT according to his convictions :
the truth is that we don't like muslims , many of us would be happy if they could just go away or disappear somewhere

the paradox , is that instead of doing some introspection and ask themselves WHY are they so much hated in the Christian world , and try to take steps to correct this situation , the Muslims , showing that they don't care about our opinion , respond by violence

Obama and consorts were not afraid for our troops , they got scared that if the "burn the Koran" action took place , more than 50% of the nation might have participated

Posted by: michel1835 | September 10, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

54465446 wrote: No you only believe in due process and freedom of speech for people who agree with you. You don't understand even the tiniest part of what the First Amendment means because you want to censor the speech FIRST, and then let the individual sue somewhere in the course of time. If whoever taught you history or poly sci in school read your post, they would despair.

You missed the entire point of my post. With freedom comes responsibility. Jones has gone FAR beyond wanting to burn some Korans. He has dragged this thing on for so long, that his self-promotion has become a danger to national security. Things have changed since we were in high school, my friend. This proposed act is still against the law as a permit wasn't granted, and the local police have justification to prevent it from happening. Jones is not practicing religion; he is spreading hate. Creating a public nuisance and threatening the lives of many people goes far beyond the first amendment. This has nothing to do with how I feel about those who do or don't agree with me. As RegisUrgel stated above, this kind of reckless provocation is a threat to national security. Jones can say whatever he wants, but staging a heavily-promoted Koran bonfire is a direct threat to the lives of too many people.

Posted by: woolleyjfw | September 10, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

regisurge wrote:

"Doesn't the President have the prerogative to declare specific activities "danger for national security?" Here's the perfect opportunity: This nuts who who wants to burn Korans and these delinquants with their plan to build a mosque on ground zero. Both are cults of lunatics. They are dangers to our national security. They should be jailed until they come to their senses. This would just be routine in any European country --England, France, Italy, etc."

I am AMAZED by the number of people who just want to throw away all their civil rights. If that is the type of country you want to live then you should be much more comfortable in and Islamic society than an American one. There is NO additional danger to our troops and never was. The extremists kept on rioting in Afghanistan even today.

Aren't you people even aware that Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan, civilian and military have been "desecrating" Korans for 8 years and the people of those regions already know about it? Those people in turn have been desecrating Bibles for equally as long, although they are more likely to kill the person who carries the Bible than to burn it.

This was pure mid-term election politics nothing more. Petraeus didn't make that statement on his own. It was solicited from him. Holder was the worst though. For an AG to make public comment about something that might have to come before him in his official capacity was disgraceful. It was worse than Janet Reno at her most incompetent if that's possible.

I hope no one ever considers you a danger to national security my friend.

Posted by: 54465446 | September 10, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

This is too rich. Rush Limbough and "Pastor" Jones were high school classmates. Liberals insert joke here.....

http://www.capecentralhigh.com/students/koran-burn-terry-jones-rush-limbaugh/

Posted by: gobsmacked | September 10, 2010 11:16 PM | Report abuse

#742 of 751: William Hale (hinging0) Fri 10 Sep 2010 (04:40 PM)

Koran burner goes global
Diehl: Did the media make a minor crackpot into a lethal threat?

==========NH:
"'We can repent and be forgiven by God for any sin - without the need
for confession' - New CIA motto. And the Catholics still have the right
to practice confession, but 'We can repent, and be forgiven by God for
ANY sin - without the need of confession' - new CIA moot," "Why?"
"Because it's more intelligent than 'By any means necessary'.
Intelligence is the ability to apply and create rules for fair, free,
effective and secure responding and seeing of responses.

Majjah - sea wave.


#720 of 751: William Hale (hinging0) Thu 09 Sep 2010 (09:12 PM)

Chinese Food, the Wines of Germany, and a Debate
By MICHAEL SLACKMAN

========NH:
xref: "We can repent and be forgiven any sin by God without the need
for confession," New CIA motto. Why? And the Catholics still have the
right to confess.
=======NH//

We already analyzed this when who burned flags during the Vietnam war to protest US government actions.

Posted by: randomsample | September 10, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

The kooks -- other than this so-called preacher who is really a cult leader -- are the media and those who hang on their every word. In this case, the kooks include both the left-wing and right-wing media. This guy is really about as important as a fly on a dungheap unless we elevate him by putting him on TV. He is committing a stupid NON-EVENT and the media is mostly responsible for the stunt. MSNBC and Fox news are really two peas in a pod on this one. Otherwise, the world would be better off if Lawrence O'Donnell and Keith Olberman were on anti-psychotic medication. And someone just needs to stop pumping goofy ideas into the smug Rachel Maddow's head. No question she -- and Olbermann and O'Donnell are smart, but they are living on another planet. Anyone who consistently lines up with Harry Reid, Seasn Penn, Janine Garbagafolo, Maxine Waters.....well, they need toi be protected from themselves.

Posted by: buggerianpaisley1 | September 10, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

The media had everything to do with making this a global issue. Who's been saying the American people are a bunch of racist, bigots, abusing the civil rights of the immigrants and intolerable to Muslims. The MSM. All for votes in November. The MSM proclaimed to the world the only reason Obama is opposed is because he's black. Forget the socialist direction he wants to take this country. This is a racist nation because we don't want socialism. Now the MSM endangered the lives of our troops with making the burning of the Koran a global issue. For your information the Koran has been burned all over the world for years without telling the media so they could notify the radical Muslims. Burning the Koran is nothing new to the world.

Posted by: houstonian | September 10, 2010 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Ah, the extremists. Now that "Pastor" Jones will not burn a Qu'ran, we're all safe.

Has the President announced the date of Burn the Constitution Day, yet?

Posted by: Farnaz1Mansouri1 | September 10, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

#752 of 755: William Hale (hinging0) Fri 10 Sep 2010 (08:24 PM)

#742 of 751: William Hale (hinging0) Fri 10 Sep 2010 (04:40 PM)

Koran burner goes global
Diehl: Did the media make a minor crackpot into a lethal threat?

==========NH:
"'We can repent and be forgiven by God for any sin - without the need
for confession' - New CIA motto. And the Catholics still have the
right
to practice confession, but 'We can repent, and be forgiven by God for
ANY sin - without the need of confession' - new CIA moot," "Why?"
"Because it's more intelligent than 'By any means necessary'.
Intelligence is the ability to apply and create rules for fair, free,
effective and secure responding and seeing of responses.

Majjah - sea wave.


#720 of 751: William Hale (hinging0) Thu 09 Sep 2010 (09:12 PM)

Chinese Food, the Wines of Germany, and a Debate
By MICHAEL SLACKMAN

========NH:
xref: "We can repent and be forgiven any sin by God without the need
for confession," New CIA motto. Why? And the Catholics still have the
right to confess.
=======NH//

We already analyzed this when who burned flags during the Vietnam war
to protest US government actions.

Posted by: randomsample | September 10, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

The Us is afraid of one major thing: loss of bipartisan leadership to handle tough issues such as extremism domestic or international.

Who would have thought that Gingrich would lose his leadership quality and banter to the extremists.

My fear is that the Republican leadership is getting extinct.

Posted by: wrock76taolcom | September 10, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

54465446 wrote: Aren't you people even aware that Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan, civilian and military have been "desecrating" Korans for 8 years and the people of those regions already know about it?

Did you consider that the prior desicrations of the Koran were a major tool for terrorists to recruit unemployed, disaffected Muslim youth to become suicide bombers to be martyrs for their cause. Bin laden said the U.S. is at war with Islam, and the forces of hatred and intolerance are doing his propaganda for him.
Protecting civil rights is one thing. Preventing reckless acts is another. Freedom of speech is not absolute. You can not libel, slander, or incite to violence. Jones will not be harmed if he can not burn Korans. Many others will be if he proceeds.
The media should be embarrassed for enabling this moron. 24 hour cable news only serves to provide misinformation to keep the public ignorant, so the powers that be have useful idiots to do their ground work for them.

Posted by: woolleyjfw | September 10, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

#695 of 751: William Hale (hinging0) Wed 08 Sep 2010 (08:40 PM)

Florida Pastor Not Backing Down on Koran - Burning

=========NH:
"You can repent and be forgiven for any sin, no matter how small, or
how large. It's between you and..." "Allah," "...In fact, our third
Caliph, 'Omar', was on his way to kill out prophet, Mohammed, may peace
be upon him, because the sister to Omar had come to Islam, and Omar
was still a pagan, but while walking by the holy kaba, the oldest
treasure house, the oldest scientific laboratory, the oldest house of
God, a revelation came to Omar, and instead of killing our prophet
Mohammed, when he got there he asked to come to Islam also," "That is a
powerful story, but what about the..." "You can repent, and be
forgiven, for any sin, in Islam, no matter how small, or how large. It
is between you and..." "Allah," "There is no need for confession,"

[k k]

Posted by: randomsample | September 10, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

wooleyjfw wrote:

"This proposed act is still against the law as a permit wasn't granted, and the local police have justification to prevent it from happening. Jones is not practicing religion; he is spreading hate. Creating a public nuisance and threatening the lives of many people goes far beyond the first amendment. This has nothing to do with how I feel about those who do or don't agree with me. As RegisUrgel stated above, this kind of reckless provocation is a threat to national security. Jones can say whatever he wants, but staging a heavily-promoted Koran bonfire is a direct threat to the lives of too many people."

Presuming he is not building an actual bonfire as you suggest, he wouldn't need a permit. Even so, legally permits MUST be granted to those engaged in First Amendment activites, as long as safety concerns (fire hazard, not rioting) are met.

I wish you would understand that the only type of speech not protected is one that would directly result in immediate harm. The threat of possible overseas rioting etc. is not in the least way germaine to the Constitutional issue. That wouldn't even get you in the door at Federal District Court. HE isn't threatening anyone. It's OTHERS who are doing the threatening.

Don't you see that no speech could ever be protected if all you had to do was allege that AS A RESULT someone somewhere could be harmed? You might still not have any legal forms of birth control today, if people like Margaret Sanger were not allowed to distribute birth control information because women somewhere might misunderstand or misuse it to harm thesmelves

You can read my other reply above to regis. It really and truly grieves me that you fail to see that Jones's right (no matter how evil or crazy he is) isn't YOUR right as well.

Posted by: 54465446 | September 10, 2010 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Why is Mr. Jones getting so much attention?

Because the media wanted to be 'the one' who got proof of his book-burning on video. The media reporters wanted the chance to be 'the first one' to send the videotape of the book-burning all over the world. They wanted their chance to win some lame 'award'.
It wasn't so much about Mr.Jones wacko ideas, as it was about being 'the one who discovered the story and told the whole world about it'.
Mr. Jones knew what the reporters would do, and he took full advantage of them.

Posted by: momof20yo | September 10, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

PNC is offering $200 to anyone who opens a paycheck direct deposit account. And then from there you can a home loan. Shouldn't PNC be on the committee designing solutions to unemployment?

What about cross training for all our non-productive pay guns? Fire fighting, garbage trucks (biologic security), teaching school, construction work... require duty shift rotations through at least two other job descriptions that do not involve carrying a gun; xref: minute men and patriots vs. mercenaries, 'specialists' and weaning people from thinking crime, violence, prisons and flashing lights are the only assets which generate their paychecks.

If the US Postal system can deliver the Hope Diamond, then they can deliver the marijuana to Starbucks and UPS stores... of course they'll need a little extra protection; xref: "voracious appetites" and "insatiable demand" and US liability for Mexican's' deaths...

Buy I'm willing to train a K9 and accompany US Postal workers in a check and balance system to make sure the marijuana is safely delivered to Star [Hnk]

and the who is already promiently posting "No Alcohol" signs in Lafayette Park, so you know the rule that you MUST have at least so much park space in your area so who has HEALTHY environments to smoke in, so who doesn't get mentally ill in the fumes of this poison gas they move us around with, and noise, and mental chaos...

"You're making too much sense,"

{You're making too much. Cents.}

Whoa, you're marijuana tax stamps are going to expire man. Better use them to send some letters, and buy current stamps for your stash...

Up to 50% off the purchase price - IF you pass level 15 of the Marijuana practical, knowledge, and oral skills test. OR pay full price [^] with no test and keep your privacy - your choice...

Posted by: randomsample | September 10, 2010 11:45 PM | Report abuse

54465446

In principle, I agree with most of what you say. I would like to believe that I could agree 100%. However, the consequences of poking the Muslim bear with a stick concerns me. I am not a left or right wingnut, and am dismayed how the media (cable, print, and network TV) have flayed this issue like carnival barkers.
I respect your earnest effort to present your point, without resorting to name-calling and hyper-partisan innuendo. Let's hope this resolves itself peacefully, and that other "men of God" don't try to up the ante with their own events.
Good night.

Posted by: woolleyjfw | September 10, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

I believe that Ben Franklin said it better than I can:

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Posted by: 54465446 | September 10, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

54465446,

Agreed. You've won me over to your viewpoint. I remember thinking about this same Ben Franklin quotation when the Patriot Act was hastily passed with minimal opposition.

My feelings about this Koran burning stunt made me forget my core beliefs. Thanks for helping me to realize that. Jones should not be "stopped" or arrested. We can only hope he changes his mind.

Posted by: woolleyjfw | September 11, 2010 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Superb it is that Pastor Jones has chilled his burning desire. Nonetheless, that a man known for less than honest business practices might generate riot and endanger soldiers bespeaks a bizarre response. Media hypersensitivity to anti-Muslim slights is akin to attentions given the smallest gesture of an inamorata.

Posted by: Martial | September 11, 2010 12:06 AM | Report abuse

What has happened with the Jones story is just an example of the sensationalism that happens with the media now. One kook puts something on the internet, professional news picks it up, and very quickly it goes worldwide.

But look what we do with similar crackpots. Someone questions if Obama was really born in the U.S., and now more than 25% of voters think it is a fact. Someone throws doubt on Obama's Christian faith, suggests he is a Muslim, and now it is used with a snicker in comments from readers almost daily. (I live in Georgia - where innuendo is an art.)

We live off sensationalism, we love it, we feed on it in a frenzy. The media do not help. Politicians play into it. Try to bring any facts from anywhere into a discussion, and someone has a countering fact - the result is there is no truth, there is only motive. There is no trust.

I know this little rant of mine doesn't get us anywhere, either, but I feel better for it. I have no answers. It is like the whole world has taken its behavioral cues from "Bad Girls Misbehaving."

Posted by: amelia45 | September 11, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Jones was denied the permit he originally requested to start a bonfire. It was refused on the grounds that it would threaten public safety and create and environmental hazard. If he attempts to build a bonfire, he will be arrested immediately.

The best he can do is to make some token gesture. The best we can do is support this miserable creature's First Amendment rights.

That is more than our president has done, sadly enough.

Posted by: Farnaz1Mansouri1 | September 11, 2010 12:09 AM | Report abuse

"the world of credible sourcing and journalism standards has come to an end." Yes it has. At least in America. The MSM, following the lead of Fox has ceased covering and reporting news and now seems to have discovered a new business model.

Telling stories, even untrue stories based on pre-conceived narratives from whatever alternative universe this group mind-meld lives in. Very strange. Not reality and don't blame todays technology, blame some really dumb people who have no business calling themselves journalist. The technology is just exposing the dumbness for the public to see.

Posted by: gurudev16 | September 11, 2010 12:26 AM | Report abuse

"Therefore, if he doesn't back down he should be arrested for inciting a riot.
This clown must be stopped NOW."

OK, Jones is a whacko, we agree.

But, if I follow your lead, whoever released the story and pictures from Abu Ghraib should be arrested. Maybe the guy from wikileaks too. Torture stories from Guantanamo, arrest the people who released them too. All of those incidents led to riots and violence.

So someone YOU think is wrong should be arrested before they start a riot, but people who do things YOU agree with aren't culpable when they cause one. It doesn't work that way.

I am not a religious scholar by any means, but, I have read some on Sharia law, and understand the fact that to a devout Islamic person Islam is more than just a religion, it's a way of life.

We are supposed to be tolerant and accept the fact that it is a different culture that many of us don't understand.

Yet I see very few calls for tolerance from Islamic leaders in Islamic countries.

I don't hear of any middle eastern Islamic leaders saying "In America whackos can express their opinion with crazy acts, it's part of the US culture. We don't understand it, but we need to be tolerant.

I can forgive the people, I'm sure most of them are too busy trying to survive and haven't had the opportunity to study other cultures. That, and the fact that their leaders don't WANT the people to form their own opinions.

I can't forgive the leaders, supposedly learned men, who are eager to incite violence over even the mention of something they find offensive, let alone the deed itself.

The media played right into Jones' plan, they made him a star. If he goes through w/ his stunt, and is arrested, he becomes a cause celebre.

I doubt that the penalty for burning without a permit is more than a summons and probably a $100. Arrest him and jail him and you promote his cause, and probably open Gainesville up to one heck of a lawsuit.

If he decides to go through with the burnings, he should be ignored.

Posted by: BEEPEE | September 11, 2010 12:54 AM | Report abuse

You know what's kooky? The fact that you are condemning this pastor, you not once speak out, condemn the vile acts of Muslims who perpetuated horrendous crimes against humanity on a daily basis. There are examples reported each and every day, in most cases in the foreign press, because the US msm doesn't care about truth.. the most recent, women being buried up to their necks in dirt while cowardly old men through rocks at them, for purported "crimes". The little 11 year old girl in Jaipur, India, whose uncle raped her, then set her on fire, claiming she wasn't dressed modestly enough. The child has burns on over 90% of her body, and is suffering through torturous pain in a hospital. CNN International reported this overseas, but not here. There is video on youtube. Islam is a religion of hatred, intolerance, misogyny and homophobia.

I don't believe the koran should be burned, far from it, I believe it should be read, to educate morons like those who still believe Islam is a religion of peace. The koran's "peaceful" verses are considered replaced by the violent ones, it preaches the slaughter of non-believers, that Muslims should lie to non-believers to get their way.

I won't fall for the demands that we appease Ialamists, in fact we need to laugh in their faces, and demand they reform their religion, because there is no place in the civilized world for an unreformed Islam, and those who have a problem with that, and desire the imposition of sharia, do not belong in civilized nations.

Posted by: jenn3 | September 11, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Were the Post in any way informing the public interest, they would write an article titled, why the mainstream media ignores the burning of innocent 11 year old girls, by their Muslim relatives. Here's a url to an example of the truths about Islam that the Washington Post, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN and others suppress on a daily basis Meet Nazmeen, she's 11, from a Muslim family, in Jaipur, India, her uncle raped her, and then set her on fire, claiming she wasn't dressed modestly enough. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhMNpdzzc8k

What happen to Nazmeen happens on a daily basis across Muslim countries, in a million different ways, Muslims torture and slaughter innocent lives, based on a sick, twisted ideology, and they are allowed to get away with it, because the left refuses to criticize such horrors. Many Muslims want to reform their religion, address these wrongs, but the left help cover up for the radical extremists.

Posted by: jenn3 | September 11, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps I have missed something somewhere, but it has occurred to me to ask:

Where exactly was "Rev." Jones going to get all of these Korans that he was supposedly going to burn??

Just curious...

Posted by: icyone | September 12, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

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