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Don't burn the Koran: chapter three

There continues to be a flurry of confusion over whether Rev. Terry Jones will go through with his plans to burn the Koran tomorrow -- and concern that the crackpot preacher from the Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Fla., will actually do it, despite appeals from the highest reaches of the U.S. government and the Vatican.

A few hours ago, On Faith co-moderator Jon Meacham made a poignant plea to Jones on "Morning Joe." It was an extraordinary moment of television -- not only because Meacham made his entreaty on religious grounds, but also because of anchor Mika Brzezinski's refusal to let Jones speak.

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Let's hope Jones "desists."

By Jonathan Capehart  | September 10, 2010; 9:35 AM ET
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So Mr. Capehart....

I don't see you calling the people who burn the US Flag "crackpots".... I wonder why? Hmmmmm....

Posted by: rjduda | September 10, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

It's sad to think, but due to all the media and political attention given to one religious extremist over all others, the media itself has guaranteed Pandora's box will remain open. Every eccentric, hate-mongering, insignificant-antisocial out there will soon be posting movies of Quran's burning. I reminded of a quote defining another's insane actions in "The Dark Knight" .. "Some men just want to see the world burn !" Now thanks to all the unearned attention the media poured onto one ludicrous act, they have all but guaranteed that with one match and one book, anybody can set the world ablaze.

Posted by: GTL32 | September 10, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

950 muslim bombings in Pakastan last year,
and an old man in Florida burning a bundle
of paper is the dangerous crackpot?
Iran is within monthes of a nuclear weapon,
and has promised to 'destroy every women and child of the zionists'
and an old man in Florida burning a bundle
of paper is the dangerous crackpot?
the US Media is the crackpot...
capehart is a crackpot...
WaPo crack pot...

Posted by: simonsays1 | September 10, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

So Mr. Capehart....

I don't see you calling the people who burn the US Flag "crackpots".... I wonder why? Hmmmmm....

Posted by: rjduda | September 10, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse


Because that's not what his post is about...anyway, the fact they burn flags should be used as an example of why we're better than them not an excuse to sink to their level.

Posted by: kevin_rigsby19 | September 10, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

I don't respect people who burn the flag, fly the flag upside down, leave it out in the rain, etc.' people who burn or otherwise desecrate Bibles or the Koran or the holy books and icons of any religion. The Taliband destroyed the wonderful Buddists statutes and received worldwide condemnation as they should have. Those who have heard the condemnation of all of these things just are not paying attention or are paying only selective attention.

Posted by: withersb | September 10, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I don't respect people who burn the flag, fly the flag upside down, leave it out in the rain, etc.' people who burn or otherwise desecrate Bibles or the Koran or the holy books and icons of any religion. The Taliband destroyed the wonderful Buddists statutes and received worldwide condemnation as they should have. Those who have heard the condemnation of all of these things just are not paying attention or are paying only selective attention.

Posted by: withersb | September 10, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Terry Jones' big mistake?

He didn't genuflect before the ACLU and request a grant from the NEA first.

Free expression clerics will NEVER forgive that heresy.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | September 10, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

At this point, one could argue that Jones should go through with the burning of some Qur'ans just to demonstrate that 1) an American has First Amendment rights independent of threats and rent-a-mobs in the Middle East and South Asia; and 2) a Christian does not have to abide by the politically correct shibboleth that the Qur'an is a holy book. Most media analysts do not give this second point the justice it deserves, bending over backwards as they do (almost as far as the Obama Administration) to present the Islamic perspective in a positive light.

As a Christian, I do not accept that Muhammad received revelation from God, for many reasons, most saliently that he and his "revelation" deny (in Sura 4:157) the key doctrine of my, and 2.3 billion other Christians', faith: the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, to atone for the entire human race's sins. That does not mean Christians should run out to buy a Qur'an and toss it into the fireplace--but neither does it mean that we have to pay Muslim-mandated obeisance to its alleged "holiness," either.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | September 10, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

I have heard a number of AM talk show hosts, and their callers, the past few days disparaging Reverend Jones for his "un-Christ-like" attitude-- stating (for certain!) that "Jesus would never burn a Qur'an."

Actually, since it denies the key element of His role in the universe-- His crucifixion and resurrection-- I think He might very well approve of burning at least THAT part of the Qur'an.

I also doubt that Jesus would have any problem with consigning to the flames the ayahs in Islamic scriptures that mandate attacking non-Muslims (Surah 9:5), beheading them (Surah 47:3 and 8:12) and beating one's wives (Surah 4:34)-- just to name a few of the more egregious passages.

Furthermore, Jesus cursed and killed a fig tree that was not bearing fruit (Matthew 21:18; Mark 11:12) and ran money-lenders out of the Temple with a whip (John 2:15).

As G.K. Chesterton ably points out in "The Everlasting Man" (pp. 190-91), the "meek and mild Jesus" of popular imagination is NOT the only facet of His personality."

Reverend Terry Jones is certainly not Jesus, but even a fundamentalist Pentecostal clock is right at least twice a day.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | September 10, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

I think burning korans is pretty stupid but let's be real here. Whether or not this guy goes through with it is completely irrelevant. There will be the same number of muslims working tirelessly on creating as much murder and mayhem as possible. Until we all convert to islam and start beating our wives and doing whatever else sharia law requires of us we will be nothing but infidels and an insult to god. Our culture is incompatible with theirs. We will never get along with them.

Posted by: peterg73 | September 10, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Jones is a malign, publicity-hungry pig, but it's embarrassing to see Robert Gates demeaning himself to coverse with him. And it's a little disturbing to see an active-duty general criticizing a civilian for what is still a protected exercise of civil rights, no matter how offensive.

Posted by: tomtildrum | September 10, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Naturally, when George Soros’ pro-jihad rent-a-mobs commit gutter arson (and worse) it’s NEVER considered “crackpot” by the elitist media clerics of free expression.

Enter the Leftist-fascist Hall of Shame and recall what arson and hate (masquerading as “peace” protest) looks like.
http://www.zombietime.com/hall_of_shame

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | September 10, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

"That does not mean Christians should run out to buy a Qur'an and toss it into the fireplace--but neither does it mean that we have to pay Muslim-mandated obeisance to its alleged "holiness," either."

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst

Gee, where's that "it's common decency and respect" mantra the right's been throwing about so much lately?

Posted by: lizgwiz | September 10, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

I will burn at least part of an American newspaper tomorrow.

Posted by: roblimo | September 10, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

@lizgwiz: It should go without saying that the desecration of Christian, Hindu and Buddhist symbols are regular occurences in the Ummah. Whereas, Terry Jones' free expression stunt is sensational only because it is so exceptional.

Muslims burn Bibles routinely and often.

Google "Muslims Burning Bibles"

"Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel." [Matthew 23:24]

[btw: The Buddha called— he’d like his Bamiyan monuments back.]

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | September 10, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | September 10, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

There will soon be a new show on Fox. The Terry Jones Show.

Fear, Hatred, Distortion, Distraction and Division. That's what sells on the Republican Party's very own News Channel.

Tune in tomorrow for why refusal to eat Pork is un-American. Followed by the 'Only through Jesus' hour.

Posted by: thebobbob | September 10, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Anchor Mika Brzezinski's refusal to let Jones speak should cost him his job. It has already cost him his journalistic reputation. Since when does the media have permission to take sides on a story? Even opinions as distasteful as Reverend Jones must be given a voice. Walter Cronkhite must be whirling in his grave.

Posted by: Desertdiva1 | September 10, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I love the liberals. An "artist" funded by the government displays a crucifix in a mason jar filled by the artists urine, names it the "Piss Christ" and proudly displays it in an art gallery. When Christians complain they are lectured by the left to get over it. This is a first amendmant issue of freedom of expression. Why the disdain for Christianity and the respect for the most intolerant of religions-Islam? Could it be that we are afraid of their response?

Posted by: jkk1943 | September 10, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

@GTL32 - Well said.

Posted by: calgrl75 | September 10, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

"As a Christian, I do not accept that Muhammad received revelation from God, for many reasons, most saliently that he and his "revelation" deny (in Sura 4:157) the key doctrine of my, and 2.3 billion other Christians', faith: the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, to atone for the entire human race's sins."

In other words, your fable of magic and mysticism is much more believable than "their" fable of magic and mysticism?

Got it...thanks.

Organized Religion: Mind control for the weak.

Posted by: steve-2304 | September 10, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Mika's behavior was disgraceful. Her opinion isn't the only one that matters. She is turning what used to be my favorite morning news program with an awesome format into the ME-ME-ME-Mika Show.

I don't agree with what the pastor is doing but I have no right to silence him and neither does Queen Mika.

Posted by: pcarr56 | September 10, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I recall just recently I saw a headline that accused President Obama of saying too much in front of a TV camera.

Ditto to the press, why are you covering this guy when you know he's probably going to end up doing it.

Stop giving the guy an audience, and stop televising this crap. If no TV cameras were on this guy, he probably would have forgotten he even said that.

And then too, I don't see the big deal with all this.

Muslim nations practically invented flag burning, and burning our American Presidents in effigy.

No, I can't say I saw them burning any bibles, but we live in a free country, and some of our wackos here sometimes like to do that but it ultimately hurts no one.

It might be different if he threw that book at somebody cause that would really hurt.

Posted by: lindalovejones | September 10, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

@pcarr56

You think Jones is being silenced? Are you kidding? The world has been hearing nothing but Jones' insane pronouncements lately. World leaders have had to respond to him and call him on the phone. I would have preferred that the media do what the people of Gainesville have done and ignore him altogether but there certainly isn't anything wrong with letting someone else get a few words in now and then.

Posted by: calgrl75 | September 10, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

After all this press coverage, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if there's a whole bunch of Koran fires tomorrow.

This is not the middle east and people here are not expected to act like we're from the middle east, far east, near east or whatever.

Jones is American, he lives in a free country, and he's not physically hurting anyone.

Leave the guy alone and stop covering this stuff.


Posted by: lindalovejones | September 10, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

One of the main differences between Islam and the other 2 Abrahamic religions is that in Islam questioning the faith is considered sacrilege, a taboo that brings abandonment and in some cases death to the doubter. The faith is covered by a fog of holiness which makes blind following the duty of all who were born into it. Breaking this taboo will free Muslims to examine the faith with clear minds and follow it in a rational manner. We in the free world can help by publicly examining every aspect of the Islamic ideology, its history and the myths surrounding it. Muslims will certainly hear about it and although some will initially respond harshly but the taboo will break and if we stick to an academic and honest review, it will gradually resonate.

Consider the Quran burning issue that is making the world so uncomfortable because it can alienate Muslims and cause angry backlashes. True; the pastor’s desire for fame is blinding him to the consequences of his action. But why is burning Quran in Florida such an international incident while burning New Testament in Israel is not even newsworthy? Orthodox Jews routinely burn hundreds of copies of the New Testament in Jerusalem (Google it if you do not believe me) but Christians around the world rationally consider it a local matter not worthy of exaggerated attention. Why do we act as it should be different with Muslims? The act of the pastor is disrespectful, but the reaction we are trying to prevent is quite wrong. The emphasis should be on why burning a book in Florida by anybody should cause mayhem in the Islamic world.

Posted by: Shiveh | September 10, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

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