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Dems playing politics with immigration -- and it's good policy

By Edward Schumacher-Matos

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and other Republicans are angrily accusing Majority Leader Harry Reid of being political in his surprise announcement to attach a Dream Act amendment to the military appropriations bill that is scheduled for a cloture vote Tuesday.

They're right. And it's about time the Democrats got politically tough, because the amendment is also good policy.

Reid is, of course, motivated foremost by saving his own hide in a tough bid for re-election against Tea Party favorite Sharron Angle. He enjoys broad Latino support in Nevada, but as Lucy Flores, a democratic candidate for the state legislature, told me, his announcement last week of the Dream measure -- popular among Latinos -- has sent shivers of excitement through that base to actually vote. "It has suddenly been non-stop emails and calls by people wanting to work," she said.

This might also help Democratic candidates in states such as California, Texas, Colorado and New Mexico, where the Latino vote makes a difference. Immigration is second only to jobs in importance to Latinos, according to polls, but they were feeling forsaken by Obama and the Democrats over stalled comprehensive reform.

Young Latinos, many of them illegal, for months have been bravely protesting, marching and staging hunger strikes in congressional offices, forcing the established immigration activist groups and, last week, the Congressional Hispanic Caucus to abandon their longtime strategy of seeking nothing short of a comprehensive bill. They have coalesced around Dream as a "down payment."

And no wonder: its motherhood and apple pie.

The Dream Act would offer legal residency to unauthorized immigrant young people who, through no fault of their own, came with their parents and grew up here. But they must first complete two years of college or military service. These deserving young people are almost all culturally American, having gone to school here. American taxpayers have thus already invested in them, too. Now the young immigrants would pay back through military service or getting more education and joining the upper ranks of productive, taxpaying citizens.

Republican senators, however, say, as Arizona's Sen. John McCain (R) told Fox News' Greta Van Susteren, that, by using the armed forces bill, Reid is cynically out to get votes "at the expense…of the men and women who are serving in the military."

That argument might hold more water were it not that the Pentagon itself favors the Dream Act, having helped draw it up in 2001 and including the projected recruits they would get through it in the Department of Defense's FY2010-12 Strategic Plan.

Moreover, McCain was among 12 Republicans who voted in 2007 for an identical cloture motion on an annual defense authorization bill that was scheduled to include a similar version of the Dream Act as an amendment.

No matter what happens Tuesday, it's clear that for Dream to pass, the president himself is going to have to lean hard on members of his party and take the issue to the country. That he supported the amendment in a rousing speech last week celebrating Hispanic Heritage Month was a good beginning.

By Edward Schumacher-Matos  | September 20, 2010; 4:51 PM ET
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THE DREAM ACT leaves intact the chain migration system that will allow these 2.1 million illegal aliens to eventually send for millions more relatives, who taxpayers will have to subsidize in the coming years. Before you even think that THE DREAM ACT should be made law, read for yourself the facts?

Not the trashy rhetoric of liberal PR firms or Liberal Democrats like Sen. Reid and his posse of fringe groups. IN NOVEMBER ALL INCUMBENTS MUST BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE, IF THEY ARE PRO-AMNESTY AND DON'T CONFORM TO THE PEOPLES WISHES? By all means let Sen. Reid recruit foreign nationals for military service as an attachment to the War bill, then once they have served a citizenship certificate. But definitely not a "De Facto" amnesty without joining the military and campaigning for the US. Sen. Reid is not a friend of the--TRUE LEGAL--American worker, as you can judge by his actions. He nearly killed E-Verify, a computer program that reduces illegal labor by using--ATTRITION and he authored another trillion dollar bill to give illegal aliens--AMNESTY. E-Verify is a very low cost way, compared to the 8.5 million illegal workers, appropriating jobs here.

A large percentage of the illegal aliens in the U.S. today are extended family members of the illegal aliens who got amnesty in 1986 and also those in the six more-limited amnesties in the 1990s.

The Tea Party, Independents is not prejudiced against any person for their race, creed or religion. We are--ALL--Americans who believe in a common cause? Before you read anything about the Dream Act bill, you should investigate the reality of the whole issue and then decide? The Dream Act---is not what it seems? NumbersUSA will answer your questions or call your or your Senator, Congressman in Washington at 202-224-3121 to stop this travesty of our laws or the US Constitution.

Posted by: infinity555 | September 20, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

LAST CHANCE...?

PHONE, FAX OR EMAIL YOUR SENATOR TO HALT THIS DECEIVING IMMIGRATION AMNESTY BILL CALLED THE DREAM ACT

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has scheduled a vote on the Dept. of Defense Authorization bill for Tuesday afternoon at 2.15 tomorrow.. Reid has said he will try to add the DREAM Act Amnesty to the bill as an amendment.

THIS IS THE--REAL--FACTS, NOT THE LIES

Not valedictorians -- or even necessarily good students.

Any illegal alien who can manage to meet the minimum requirements to graduate from high school or get an equivalent degree meets the first test.
covers everybody up to age 35 THIS IS A DE FACTO AMNESTY BY ANY NAME

* is wide open to fraud because people only have to CLAIM to meet conditions and the government has to PROVE that their claims are false
* is open to at least 2, 3 or 4 million illegal aliens (even before fraud)
* allows illegal aliens to arrive as late as age 15 and claim that they don't know the language or culture of their home country and, thus, should not be forced to go back home. OVERTIME THE STUDENTS CLAIMING THIS AMNESTY, CAN BRING IN MILLIONS OF THEIR FAMILIES MEMBERS. Additional relatives would be able to start planning their "Chain Migration" applications and getting in line. This starts with adult siblings and moves on to aunts, uncles, cousins, etc.
* ALL AMNESTIES IN THE LONG RUN WILL COST TAXPAYERS BILLIONS---IF NOT TRILLIONS IN WELFARE PAYMENTS.
* This Amnesty is being bankrolled by special interests and open border organizations.

Posted by: infinity555 | September 20, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

"...because the amendment is also good policy."

Flood the military with illegals, and for only two years (not three or four). No, this is bad policy.

Posted by: kitchendragon50 | September 20, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

The DREAM ACT is one of the worst laughable pieces of legislation ever written.

An illegal up to 35 years old can qualify by going to 2 years of community college, translation, they get citizenship by doing something every stoner in high school does. 35 years old? Really? Only 2 years of community college? Really.

This is backdoor amnesty people. Every illegal in America will sign up for community college, get their amnesty, then sponsor all their illegal relatives.

The age limit should be 22 and the requirement should be a 4 year degree from a real college/university.

Posted by: louisp3 | September 20, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

As typical around here, libs miss the point when they have to quote everyone but the soldiers, sailors and airman who are directly effect by their PC horse hockey. If they can quote a poll from the troops that say "we love gays and wish more would serve openly" then maybe they'd have some credibility, but sadly, they only want to quote the talking heads. I sure by their standards I'm a racist and a bigot. I beg to differ. I believe that a couple, be the gay or not, have the ability to enter into a civil union. As far a serving openly in the military, nope. If they want to be civic minded, please feel free to join the Peace Corp.

Posted by: elcigaro1 | September 20, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

First of all our country is officially overpopulated right now. We have also had seven amnesties so far and every time it just triggers a new flood of illegals jumping on the next one. This "DREAM" act amnesty will send the message "come on over and use you children as pawns to game our system". I really feel for the kids that are actually caught in this situation but any illegal up to 35 years of age can just clam they came over with their parent years ago and get amnesty. By rewarding this behavior we are encouraging more of it in the future. 12 million amnestied illegal immigrants will quickly become 36 million because of the following. "Illegal aliens who qualify for the Amnesty immediately jump to the front of the citizenship line, and once legalized, they can sponsor their extended family members for citizenship through current chain migration laws." P.S. I'm a Democrat, I'm for reducing immigration because I'm for protecting the environment and the U.S. worker. Go to Numbers USA dot com and see how you can help stop the next amnisty.

Posted by: colowww | September 20, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Passage of the Dream Act would be a good quid pro quo for enactment of a law making use of the E-Verify MANDATORY. Both sides should compromise -- even the open immigration lobby.

Posted by: kevin9 | September 20, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Just another sign of how incompetent and senile old Harry is. Sucking up to hispanics trying to get their vote because he has done nothing for Nevada.... He has to attach it to another bil to try to ram it through..This is how this Administration operates...always through the back door. .. they dont have the guts to present legislation in a normal manner. vote them out..all of them and then impeach Obama and boot him back to Kenya.

Posted by: JUNGLEJIM123 | September 21, 2010 6:42 AM | Report abuse

The DREAM Act covers illegal alien "kids" up to age 35. It is also an instant amnesty by which an applicant gets a provisional amnesty immediately just for applying. When they apply, illegal aliens merely have to claim they meet the criteria and don't have to prove anything. The government has to prove that they don't qualify. How can the government 'prove' they didn't come to the US before a certain age when there are no records?
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Because the persons granted amnesty will be able to sponsor their parents and other adult relatives as soon as they are 21, this law not only rewards the parents who knowingly broke the law when they entered the US with their children, it also sets the stage for hundreds of thousands, if not millions of chain migration entrants as these immigrants sponsor their immediate and extended families. One DREAM Act beneficiary could result in dozens of new entrants. If this what supporters like ES-M mean to propose, why do they think that this is a good idea?

The DREAM Act doesn't set a limit either by number of grantees or date so wouldn't it encourage even more parents to bring their children to the US illegally, hoping that not only will these children be granted amnesty via the DREAM Act but also that they themselves - and their immediate and extended families - will also gain legality through these children? Wouldn't you classify this as a pretty big moral hazard?

Illegal aliens are not required to submit fingerprints or undergo background security checks at any point in the DREAM Act process. Therefore, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has no way to know whether an alien seeking DREAM Act amnesty is a terrorist or criminal. The 'poster children' for this bill likely aren't but does it make sense to legalize a broad section of illegal aliens in order to legalize a these few? Couldn’t we do this on a case by case basis?


Posted by: dflinchum | September 21, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Wait a minute, here's an example of how Democrats are making our jobs situation WORSE! Dream Act will keep ILLEGALS IN THIS COUNTRY. We have a LACK OF JOBS... and Democrats want to keep Illegals here, instead of sending them back. The example in this article of having ILLEGALS do Repairs around your house... are you Kidding me? These are skilled jobs that you're giving ILLEGALS? wake up Democrats, we don't have enough jobs the way it is, let alone skilled jobs going to Illegals!

Posted by: ohioan | September 21, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Harry Reid had two years to deal with comprehensive immigration reform and did not touch it. Now, he is in a close race for the senate and puts forth this bill to get Hispanic votes. If he loses, I wonder if this author will think it good politics. If he does lose, will this mean that any immigration reform he supports will be dead and we will likely get an immigration reform bill that he will oppose. Is this good politics, maybe. Finally, I grew up in working class New Jersey. One of my childhood friends was the son of a plumber who had ambitions for his three sons. Oldest son, my friend, became a very successful doctor, the middle son became a federal appeals judge, and the baby brother had no interest in school and followed his dad around. Who is the most successful son? Before you answer this question I want to add one little fact, the youngest son became a plumber, built a successful businesses, and now flies his own G5. I suspect that now many of us would say the youngest son at least financially. Therefore, one must acknowledge that the Dream Act would have approved of two sons and rejected a third. Can anyone say that the third son is not successful. Some food for thought.

Posted by: jeffreed | September 21, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

I realize that some of you elites are dismissive of community colleges, but for those of us who worked our way up, community college was a needed step. I am sorry if you think my advanced degrees from UF are less valuable because I began career at a community college.

As for those who are shocked by the "up to 35" provision, to be eligible at age 35, the applicant would have to have been living here for at least 21 years. If they are high school graduates, and have a clean record after living here for more than 20 years, what threat do they pose?

Finally, "chain migration" is as big a myth as "birth tourism." A Mexican adult sibling of a US citizen has a 16 year wait period. An adult child of a U.S. citizen has an 18 year wait (more applicants for not many more slots). If someone tries to sell you that "chain migration" bill of goods, you need to wonder what else they are lying about.

Posted by: JimBfromNC | September 21, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

The DREAM act and the idea that anyone in the country supports it is proof that the country has a huge segment of the population that need a course in logic.

Posted by: buggerianpaisley1 | September 21, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

So, the Democrats' only hope against utter destruction is imported foreigners and illegals. This really stinks, even for Democrats. The Democrat party is saying "screw you" to American citizens and "send us more border bandidos" to Mexico and then they wonder why they are in trouble with real Americans.

The Democrat party is trying very hard to become America's permanent, minority party. I think it will succeed very soon.

Posted by: battleground51 | September 21, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Colin Powell made an extremely important observation which is being ignored in the focus on the trivia. Immigration is the factor which will prevent the aging of our population from resulting in a declining economy. This has been Europe's and Japan's problem; they are jealous of our immigration because they see the economic impact of an aging population. We need to get focussed on that.

Posted by: withersb | September 21, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

DON'T expect the WaPo and other Marxist/Commie/Lib pretend 4th Estate orgs to cover this:

The Mexican Superintendency of Tax Administration, Raul Diaz, has confirmed that his government is building a wall in the state of Chiapas, along the Mexican/Guatemalan border. According to Mexico's National Commission on Human Rights, 500,000 people from Central America cross into Mexico illegally every year.

Just as Mexican authorities have opposed the construction of a fence by the U.S., along our border with their country, Mexico is now receiving a great deal of criticism from the Guatemalan government.

Of course, the U.S. press has completely ignored the story…They excoriate Americans for their desire to simply defend their own borders, but give Mexico a pass for building a wall to keep out illegal aliens.

Posted by: illogicbuster | September 21, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I become nauseated when I read hate messages like the one from "infinity555". The DREAM Act is one of the most humane and intelligent pieces of legislation pending in Congress. It is a win-win bill that will solve a grievous problem facing young illegals whose parents brought them here and who are culturally American and potential good citizens. At the same time it benefits American society, including the military. The "facts" being touted by anti-immigrant hate groups are myth-based, in a class with Obama's supposed Muslim and non-American roots. The mouths of the leaders of these hate groups should be washed out with strong soap!

Posted by: ejmurphy414 | September 21, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Young Latinos protesting to receive immigration preference over Africans, Asians and Middle Easterners (many in life-threatening situations) seeking to immigrate legally?

I believe that might qualify as "racist" or "selfish", but hardly as "brave".

Posted by: Itzajob | September 21, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Dems playing “DIRTY” politics with immigration...and it once again shows the slimy underside of our elected officials that are willing to commit BRIBERY that have reduced the honor and integrity of earned citizenship to: "We will give you a path to citizenship, IF you vote for us." This is wrong, corrupt AND it cheapens US Citizenship and rewards ILLEGAL behavior.

This paper in the past has pictured our newly sworn-in American citizens with their faces glowing with pure joy and their well-deserved sense of accomplishment.

These are people that went through the legal process that made the sacrifices that have respected our laws and our citizens that have respected our language and our culture…to GRANT citizenship to illegal aliens cheapens their sacrifices, their hard work, and their dedicated goal of becoming citizens of this great nation!

They didn’t come equipped with the arrogance, the expected entitlements or the disrespect for our language and culture that illegal aliens innately have…just like the illegal alien graduates of our fine universities that qualified for “minority” status grants and monies while protesting and waving the Mexican flag. They will never be Americans because they are loyal to their mother country of their parents and in Texas that would be Mexico!

Oh yes, I lived this hideous arrogance and I will never forget or forgive them or our government for reducing “citizenship” to ease of qualifying for a CVS card! And reporters like Schumacher-Matos will never be Americans FIRST…they are the real “racists” of the 21st century! They are not more compassionate only more Mexican et al than American!

Posted by: majorman06 | September 21, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Dems playing “DIRTY” politics with immigration...and it once again shows the slimy underside of our elected officials that are willing to commit BRIBERY. This in effect says, "We will give you a path to citizenship, IF you vote for us." This is wrong, corrupt AND it cheapens US Citizenship and rewards ILLEGAL behavior.

This paper in the past has pictured our newly sworn-in American citizens with their faces glowing with pure joy and their well-deserved sense of accomplishment.

These are people that with through the legal process that made the sacrifices that have respected our laws and our citizens that have respected our language and our culture…to GRANT citizenship to illegal aliens cheapens their sacrifices, their hard work, and their dedicated goal of becoming citizens of this great nation!

They didn’t come equipped with the arrogance, the expected entitlements or the disrespect for our language and culture that illegal aliens innately have…just like the illegal alien graduates of our fine universities that qualified for “minority” status grants and monies while protesting and waving the Mexican flag. They will never be Americans because they are loyal to their mother country and in Texas that would be Mexico!

Oh yes, I lived this hideous arrogance and I will never forget or forgive them or our government for reducing “citizenship” to ease of qualifying for a CVS card! And reporters like Schumacher-Matos will never be Americans FIRST…they are the real “racists” of the 21st century! They are not more compassionate only more Mexican than American!

Posted by: majorman06 | September 21, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

It would be nice if those who write these opinion pieces would tell the whole story about the DREAM Act.

The House version of the DREAM Act grants legal residency if “the alien, at the time of application, has been admitted to an institution of higher education in the United States, or has earned a high school diploma or obtained a general education development certificate in the United States.” This essentially includes ALL Illegal Immigrants who have “been physically present in the United States for a continuous period of not less than 5 years immediately preceding the date of enactment of this Act, and had not yet reached the age of 16 years at the time of initial entry”. Claims that this Act will only rescue the best and brightest are untrue based on what this bill really says.

The Senate version adds to the text above “the Secretary of Homeland Security may waive the ground of ineligibility under section 212(a)(6) of the Immigration and Nationality Act and the ground of deportability under paragraphs (1), (3), and (6) of section 237(a) of that Act for humanitarian purposes or family unity or when it is otherwise in the public interest.” This provision includes the ability to waive “any alien who, by fraud or willfully misrepresenting a material fact, seeks to procure (or has sought to procure or has procured) a visa, other documentation, or admission into the United States”

You can even commit fraud on your DREAM Act application and still get amnesty. It would seem that a small group of poor students are being used to create a monstrosity of a bill that reaches far beyond what proponents claim, including loop-holes for fraud that makes Simpson-Mazzoli look modest by comparison.

Posted by: Norski | September 21, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Attaching the Dream Act to a military appropriations bill is a downright stab in the back to military personnel and their families. Congress is saying " if you don't vote for the Dream Act our miltary will not get the funds they need". I know politicians can get very low and dirty, but this Act is truly as low and you can go. How can the politicians look an American citizen in the eye? Answer : they can't and don't care to as long as their careers carry on and they satisfy citizens of foreign countries.

Posted by: baz987 | September 21, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

"Finally, "chain migration" is as big a myth as "birth tourism." A Mexican adult sibling of a US citizen has a 16 year wait period. An adult child of a U.S. citizen has an 18 year wait (more applicants for not many more slots). If someone tries to sell you that "chain migration" bill of goods, you need to wonder what else they are lying about."

First of all, birth tourism is hardly a myth. Even the WaPo and NYT have had articles about it.

Second, family reunification is the single largest source of LEGAL immigration. It is also one that allows people who have been part of the US community for the shortest amount of time to have more say about whom the US allows in as residents than people who have paid taxes, fought its wars, and generally built the US for generations.

And, yes, it's true that it takes time for a sibling or adult child to make it to the US LEGALLY. However this is one way that LEGAL immigration promotes ILLEGAL immigration. The potential legal immigrant simply comes early illegally, works illegally and waits for legalization, which can come through either another amnesty just like the amnesties that have followed the this-time-only-we-promise amnesty of 1986 or family reunification. And FWIW, 16 years beats never.

Finally as to the argument that "to be eligible at age 35, the applicant would have to have been living here for at least 21 years" the answer is that the applicant would only have to CLAIM to have been here a certain number of years. (S)He doesn't have to prove anything - it is up to the government to prove otherwise.

The DREAM Act is a full of all sorts of loopholes. If anyone tells you otherwise, you should wonder what else they are confused about.

Posted by: dflinchum | September 21, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

The notion of identifying and exploiting
Differences in levels of illegality
To put a better light on the lower levels
Seems, today, to be the unhappy reality.

There would be no need for "Dream Acts"
If there were no immigrants illegally here--
And that's, as is so often said, a fact
(About which we have absolutely to reason to cheer).

The problems posed by not "promptly identifying and repatriating"
Are by "Dream Act" targets well illustrated--
Arriving here illegal due to parental illegality, but permitted to remain as if legal,
They come to believe their clearly illegal status is something to be debated--

Not to be dealt with as a matter of "law"
Which at such a late stage in the game may seem "unjust"
When applied to individuals albeit illegally here
Who, for example, if sent back home may find it difficult to adjust.

The moral here is that sustained tolerance of illegality
Tends to result in its acceptance as a fai de compli
And even sympathy for the individuals involved
(Even at the highest levels in Washington, D.C.).

Alexander Pope, more than two centuries ago,
Put his finger on the problem of tolerating "vice"
In some lines about the insidious consequences there of,
Specifically, transition being perceived as "evil", to acceptance as "nice".

Worth considering in the present context:
Simply substitute for "vice", "illegal immigration"
In the following lines by Pope and quickly see the parallel--
And it doesn't require any great exercise of imagination:

"Vice is a monster of so frightful mien
As to be feared needs only to be seen,
But seen too oft', familiar with its face,
We first endure, then pity, then embrace".
A. Pope
Essay on Man

Posted by: Gonzage1 | September 21, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Boy, is this guy royally full of crapola. Right, Ed. With family chain migration, this sneeky amnesty would ensure we have a population of a half-billion by 2050. Of course, Ed will not be around to suffer that horror,but his children and grandchildren will, which is tantamount to perping a hate crime against future generations.

Mike McGarry

Posted by: paulkarmi | September 21, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

With lack of jobs, over 10% unemployment,
this doesn't sound like good policy at all.
Illegals are taking our jobs. How many people are doing what Powell is doing: hiring illegals to do repairs around their house! There are an awful lot of unemployed American Citizens who are qualified to do handyman-type repair work
like this!
Are Democrats Totally clueless ???

Posted by: ohioan | September 21, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

The only immigration reform that the majority of American citizens want is reform that finally funds border enforcement, stepped-up and sped-up deportations, prosecution of employers of illegals. THAT is all the reform that is needed for the current immigration laws already on the books.

There already is a "pathway to citizenship." You start from your country of origin, you then apply to migrate LEGALLY into the USA. Then, you wait while you are checked out, verified, and if and only if approved, THEN you may enter the USA and become a citizen. THAT is the pathway to citizenship. If you are in the USA illegally, go back home to your country of origin, get back to the end of the line. MAYBE then you can earn the right to be a citizen.

Enforce CURRENT immigration laws already on the books. Arrest and deport every illegal immigrant. Deny anchor babies the right to citizenship if both parents are not legal citizens. 12-20 million people living in the USA illegally are not immigrants, they are invaders.

Secure the border, and you will stop the flow of drugs and illegal immigrants. The Great Wall of China, the Berlin Wall, and the current security walls in Israel/West Bank ALL prove that if you are serious about securing your borders, it CAN BE DONE. To those who say "you can't expect all 12-20 million illegal immigrants to leave:" YES WE CAN, if we want to. It's been done before, Mexican Repatriation it was called, back then. See: Wikipedia entry for Mexican Repatriation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Repatriation

There is an endless pot of taxpayer money to throw at Iraq, Afganistan, and policing the oil industries' (and China's export cargo ships') safe passage. I say it's time to use our tax dollars to DEFEND the USA. It is time for us to use the National Guard literally, to guard the nation's borders.

Please spare me the sob story of breaking up families; if parents are here illegally, they can take their children back home to the parent's country of origin when deported. If you wed an illegal immigrant, you most likely knew that going into it, and if not, then your marriage is based on lies and deception. No family need be broken up; keep the family together by having them ALL go at once when the illegal is deported.

Mark Pepp
Chicago IL

Posted by: pobox10275 | September 22, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

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