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In the GOP's House, God won't allow global warming?

By Stephen Stromberg

Just how radical is the Republican House going to be? Part of that depends on the chamber's new committee chairmen. I'm already worried about what Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) might do as the House's chief inquisitor, particularly when it comes to his promise to "investigate"
climate science. Now Rep. John Shimkus (R-Ill.) is campaigning to chair the House Energy and Commerce Committee next year. He's been on the committee since 1997, and he says he's "uniquely qualified" for the job. For example, the Toronto Star reports, Shimkus claimed in 2009 that we don't have to worry about global warming because God promised not to destroy the Earth. No -- really.

First, he noted God's post-Flood promise to Noah in Genesis 8:21-22.

"Never again will I curse the ground because of man, even though all inclinations of his heart are evil from childhood and never again will I destroy all living creatures as I have done.

"As long as the earth endures, seed time and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night, will never cease."

"I believe that's the infallible word of God, and that's the way it's going to be for his creation," Shimkus said.

Then he quoted Matthew 24:31.

"And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds from one end of the heavens to the other."

"The Earth will end only when God declares it's time to be over. Man will not destroy this Earth. This Earth will not be destroyed by a flood," Shimkus asserted. "I do believe that God's word is infallible, unchanging, perfect."

Gee, I guess we didn't really need to worry about that thermonuclear war thing for all those years, either, since God would certainly have swooped in, Dr. Manhattan style, to stop the nukes from incinerating the Earth.

So when Shimkus says he's uniquely qualified to chair the committee responsible for writing America's energy policies, he means in the way that Karl Marx would have been uniquely qualified to lead a commission on market deregulation, or in the way that Agamemnon would have been uniquely qualified to give parenting advice.

The Washington Independent's Andrew Restuccia has more worrying global warming quotes from Shimkus here, and he argues that some of the others seeking the chairmanship have questionable records on climate change, too. All of this comes on top of news this week that Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.) wants to maintain the House Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming -- along with its subpoena power -- but devote it to hounding the Environmental Protection Agency in the next Congress.

In other words, the official rhetoric on climate policy could be even more distorted than the last time the GOP held the House, and the practical consequences -- either in necessary actions not taken or in efforts to undermine the Obama administration's work to cut back on carbon emissions -- are certainly more alarming.

By Stephen Stromberg  | November 12, 2010; 4:10 PM ET
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Incidentally, if there were an omnipotent, omniscient, benevolent god, it would be rather difficult to understand what it could have had in mind in setting up the relationship between fossil fuels, greenhouse gases, and climate change. It’s a bit like leaving poisoned cupcakes out where your children will find them. Providing such a potent and easily accessible form of energy, but with dire long-term consequences that people took a while to figure out, seems like cruel game-playing. Of course, it is very hard to look at what happens in the world and believe that there is an omnipotent being out there looking out for us.

Posted by: ilnyckyj | November 12, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

God certainly allowed the earth to warm enough for Antarctica to be forested and for the kind of foliage you need to feed a cute dinosaur.

Posted by: gorak | November 12, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

"It’s a bit like leaving poisoned cupcakes out where your children will find them."

God never designed the world to hold 6 billion human beings. Now I suppose you'll blame god for making sex too much fun. Don't worry. God has a plan. It's the same plan he uses for all animal species that overrun their range.

Posted by: fzdybel | November 12, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

If the science is strong, as the left says it is, then what is there to worry about. However, if as in the case of east anglia, that the data isn't really there or there has been model manipulation, then global warming scientists have things to worry about. If this is the science that is being used to push huge agenda that will adversely impact our economy, shouldn't Congress seek clarity and answers?

Posted by: termiteavenger | November 12, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Well, a cursory study of geology would show vast fluctuations of the Earth's climate and sea level since the Permian - when we can first start to read geologic history - the last being the Wurm glaciation and meltdown about 15,000 years ago.

Stromberg, the earth and G*d is so much greater than you, in its ability to change the earth, that you come out of this sarcastic article looking like a little boy who knows nothing about either climate or geologic history.

Go get a lollipop and cry on you mother's shoulder..you'll feel beter.

Posted by: wjc1va | November 12, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Reminds me of a hilarious Onion horoscope. "The stars aren't surprised that you'd believe in a god that lives in the sky above you. It's that you think he's on your side that's shocking."

There are some parts of the bible that are plausible. Some parts are very improbable. And then there are the ones that are just that are obviously fables meant to teach morals, because only a brainwashed idiot would take them literally. The story about Noah's ark falls in the last category.

Posted by: Booyah5000 | November 13, 2010 2:07 AM | Report abuse

Who cares what he believes as long as he's preventing the Global Warming Fraud from destroying the economy.

Posted by: ecocampaigner | November 13, 2010 2:27 AM | Report abuse

I understand the Chicago Carbon Exchange just folded.

Instead of blathering on ridiculing Republicans, these sanctimonious greenies might better spend their time preparing their defense for when the committee gets into investigating THAT scam.
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Posted by: gitarre | November 13, 2010 5:18 AM | Report abuse

What does the Left have to worry about if the science is strong? Well, the science is strong in support of evolution, too, but a large segment of American society refuses to believe it. There is no science at all to support astrology, but a large segment of our society believes in it. Many people will believe what they wish despite evidence. Many so-called "leaders" will demonize science when it sits their corporate masters. As for the "scandal" of the hacked emails from East Anglia, the hackers are reportedly from the Russian Republic acting on behalf of the Russian Oil companies-and there have been 5 separate investigations so far, all exonerating the scientific data and methods employed at the institutions and by the individuals involved. Was is it so easy to believe whatever propaganda the fossil fuels industry pays spokesmen to say? Because a large portion of society doesn't want things to change no matter what the evidence says. Not even if the rising seas are lapping at their feet.

Posted by: wilsonjmichael | November 13, 2010 7:08 AM | Report abuse

The quotes from the lunatic fringe mentioned here are only extreme examples of the kind of ideological, magical thinking expressed by many on the Right about global warming. Disbelieving that man can't harm the environment because of a divine promise recorded in the Bible is only slightly more goofy than the main thrust of their anti-science arguments. Too many Republicans are using an emotional hostility to big government as a reason to reject solid scientific findings and embrace speculation and (in some case) nonsense.

Termiteavenger's claims on this blog that the UEA emails show that "the data isn't there" or models have been manipulated are typical examples of the nonsense that is floating around the political world. The emails do nothing of the sort, but what does that matter as long as people keep saying that there was fraud?

Even a literal reading of the Bible does not support what Congressman Shinkus says about global warming. Nowhere in the Bible is it promised that humanity will not raise sea-level enough to flood Miami, New York, and tens of millions in Bangladesh, cause prolonged droughts in the US southwest, and destroy coral reefs and other species with shells. It is these dangers scientists are worried about for the next century; quite bad enough without bringing in the end of the world as well.

Posted by: klinger1 | November 13, 2010 7:15 AM | Report abuse

why does g-d even need to get involved in something that doesn't exist. sorry, toolbox; last year's debacle in Britain, involving fraudulent data, lying, coverup, distortion of fact, that pretty much put a bullet in "global warming" for all reasonable people. much like the election results of Nov 2, progressives just can't fathom it when average reasonable people disagree with their "findings." turns out the public fins YOU radical. it must be so hard to be so smart.....

Posted by: subframer | November 13, 2010 7:17 AM | Report abuse

Republicans USE GOD instead of letting GOD USE THEM.

Posted by: mauimedicine | November 13, 2010 7:34 AM | Report abuse

You have the fools saying it may not be true, while looking outside we see trees still not dropping leaves in mid November and a 400,000 year old ice core tells us global warming is real. The northwest passage is being used for shipping, limited but growing. People with a financial interest in poisoning the earth like the Koch brothers have poured millions into brainwashing people away from scientific method and true discovery. Natural gas methods used by them will poison our water tables if drilling is done near aquifers. We reduce royalties on new wells, so old ones are capped needing steam pumped in driving up offshore drilling, the opposite should take place. Most of the Evangelicals that put the GOP into office (3-1 in votes) believe in creationism, so the global warming "myth" is believed by many of them that already disregard science.

Posted by: jameschirico | November 13, 2010 7:51 AM | Report abuse

I can't wait for the investigatory fun to begin. Greens have lot of power in our society and all such power should be forced to defend itself publicly against skeptics.

Posted by: DardenCavalcade1 | November 13, 2010 7:52 AM | Report abuse

I am sure the vast number of more reasonable, less literal, Christians understand that God won't allow global warming unless it is punishment for allowing gay marriages and abortions.

Posted by: Adam_Smith | November 13, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

It is astonishing, just astonishing how many people are so gullible as to believe that the entire world's scientific leadership, by that I mean our National Academy of Sciences, those of the UK, Russia, Germany, France, Japan, China, India, and more, unanimously -- that all these leading scientific institutions would or could perpetrate a scientific hoax to defraud the world. If you will believe that, you will believe anything.
I have heard the argument that they are doing if for funding, but very few scientists are climate scientists and very few members of these academies are desperate for funding. Besides, their most valuable possession, their credibility is at stake. Moreover, the scientist who could disprove global climate change would be famous forever. No, this is just plain silliness.
And, of course, such a massive hoax would be completely unprecendented in human history. The global scientific establishment is sometimes wrong but never duplicitous. If you cannot trust the world's scientific instutions to give you their best judgment, we are in deep trouble.
As for the argument that all these scientific institutions are wrong, how do you know? On whose authority? If we won't base our decisions on science, the human race's best attempt to understand the objective world, what will we use instead?
No, this conspiracy theory is utter nonsense.
And as for the East Anglia hoax, well, now that it has been investigated by three independent commissions and all three affirmed that the science was valid and honest and correct, it should be clear that the hoax was perpetrated by those who claimed there was a scandal in the first place.
What I find most disturbing about all of this is the sheer gullibility of so many of my fellow citizens who swallow whole the most preposterous conspiracy theory ever perpetrated.

Posted by: dlgreene | November 13, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

It is astonishing, just astonishing how many people are so gullible as to believe that the entire world's scientific leadership, by that I mean our National Academy of Sciences, those of the UK, Russia, Germany, France, Japan, China, India, and more, unanimously -- that all these leading scientific institutions would or could perpetrate a scientific hoax to defraud the world. If you will believe that, you will believe anything.
I have heard the argument that they are doing if for funding, but very few scientists are climate scientists and very few members of these academies are desperate for funding.
And, of course, such an event would be unprecendented in human history.
No, this conspiracy theory is utter nonsense.
And as for the East Anglia hoax, well, now that it has been investigated by three independent commissions and all three affirmed that the science was valid and honest and correct, it should be clear that the hoax was perpetrated by those who claimed there was a scandal in the first place.
What I find most disturbing about all of this is the sheer gullibility of so many of my fellow citizens who swallow whole the most preposterous conspiracy theory ever perpetrated.

Posted by: dlgreene | November 13, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Denial is futile! You can dispute many claims in climate change but one thing is a fact, it is getting warmer. This is indisputable and whatever you choose to attribute this warming to it remains a fact.
If you choose to believe some mystical being is going to save you from this change then you have chosen the path that the Catholic church followed for hundreds of years in claiming the Earth was the center of the universe. Guess what they were wrong and science was right, end of story.

Posted by: KCHam | November 13, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

What Shimkus says is true. No, really. Having to re-locate 2 billion people from low-lying areas because of rising sea levels while at the same time trying to find food for another 2-3 billion people affected by droughts elsewhere will not destroy the Earth. It may be the end of human civilization as we know it, but it won't destroy the Earth. I'm so glad we got that one straightened out.

Posted by: stillaliberal | November 13, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

And analysts puzzle over America's dramatic decline in the metrics that define a nation's relative position in the world on subjects like science, mathematics, tolerance and general health. America is declining in all of these areas. Why? Well, when we have religious zealots like this toad Shimkus running things, what in the hell do you expect?

Unless the people out there wake up and turn off these lunatics making all of this noise, I see an America coming that only a lunatic would bargain for.

Posted by: jaxas70 | November 13, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Look. This Shimkus character like so man others on the far right and within the fundamentalist Biblical Literalists crowd are mentally ill. They are not open to rational though, empirics, evidence, accumulated knowledge or anything else that drives out of the long, patient search for knowledge trough science and experimentation. This guy Shimkus is no different than the wildest aborigine in the deepest most remote areas of the ancient jungles from whence we sprang, sporting a bone in his nose that he was utterly convinced would ward off evil spirits trying to possess his body.

Posted by: jaxas70 | November 13, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

yeah, the incoming republicans are crazy, insane, bat-sht wacko.

how long is it going to take for this reality to sink in amoung the msm? i mean, it ain't like its some atomic secret. the drift has been happeing since we elected that b-movie star president.

Posted by: jimfilyaw | November 13, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Strommy, if you can't even produce a budget (let alone balance one), how are you going to control the climate on the planet? Maybe the Democrats should have asked God for help with the budget?

Posted by: MikeMcLamara | November 13, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Whose God is it, anyway?

Posted by: Spectator | November 13, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

I used to think it was completely inappropriate for presidential candidates to be pressured into airing their personal feelings about God before the news cameras during "debates," but now I have to consider that this is actually a good thing--and anyone who professes a belief in the infallibility of bronze-age nursery rhymes should immediately be disqualified from holding any elective office. What a bunch of idiots we have running this country.

Posted by: SageThrasher | November 13, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I think it is a mistake to clain that the opponent is crazy. When it comes to the weather and climate patterns no-one has a monopoly on all the facts.

We need to recognise that Christians are a powerful force in American politics. It is pointless to dismiss them as madmen or idiots.

You might as well dismiss Communists, Freudians and anyone else who doesn't share your world view.

It's worth looking to the motives behind the argument. Global warming would benefit every continent except for North America. The other continents will get greener while North America will get browner.

That's what's key in this debate,

Posted by: pantagruella | November 13, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Global warming will not DESTROY the Earth.
The **Earth** will do just fine heated up.

Now --It is the PEOPLE on the Earth -- especially in the tropics that will suffer horrifically.

But hey, Issa can reason -- obviously God doesn't appear to care about the poor, since about a billion people live in abysmal starving conditions.

So to right Wing Republicans like Issa -- NO PROBLEM.

Posted by: WPinney | November 13, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

This is another example of humans attempt at explaining reality through ideologies, resulting in conflict. With all the religions and scientific knowledge we have in the world today, we continue to live in a state of collective illusion, driven by an egotistical fear of the unknown. Overcoming the fear of losing and dying is basic to obtaining true knowledge. Utilizing our full potential as human beings is not written in a book nor, is it an evolutionary process. It is a personal realization that embraces understanding, compassion and forgiveness.

Posted by: shaky | November 13, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

This is another example of humans attempt at explaining reality through ideologies, resulting in conflict. With all the religions and scientific knowledge we have in the world today, we continue to live in a state of collective illusion, driven by an egotistical fear of the unknown. Overcoming the fear of losing and dying is basic to obtaining true knowledge. Utilizing our full potential as human beings is not written in a book nor, is it an evolutionary process. It is a personal realization that embraces understanding, compassion and forgiveness.

Posted by: shaky | November 13, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

This comment thread proves that Tea Party types can learn scientific terms--in exactly the same way as a mynah bird does.

That's why they cling to fabrications like the East Anglia stuff.

The truth is that they're scared people who have been propagandized into believing all their insecurities are the fault of Lib-er-uls.

So when you debunk their ideas, they don't hear the debunking--they hear that you're attacking their tribe.

See, their fears are justified. They have been shafted. The inflation-adjusted incomes of most (aside from the richest) Americans has stagnated ever since Ronald Reagan spearheaded the move to take from the 95% and give it to the 5%. Moving plants abroad has kicked the slats out of their communities and their lives. The morphing of Wall Street from a service providing capital to manufacturers into a cabal of financial manipulators has destroyed their 401Ks. Their wives now have to work, which galls them.

And the Democrats haven't just made themselves into their enemy because the billionaires' sock puppets told them so. The Democrats have told them that every culture on Earth is precious--except for theirs; that every race and religion on Earth is precious--except for theirs. It has told them that their culture, race and traditions are evil things whose destruction by the shifting demographics of uncontrolled immigration is to be celebrated.

And to add insult to injury, they've discovered that their counterparts in government work make substantially more than they do--and that the public employee unions (apart from the very Republican prison guard union) generally fund Democratic pols enough to win their fealty.

Moreover, the Republicans look and talk like them...in public, at least. While the Democrats often don't. Hence the claptrap about Obama being a furriner from a furrin place with a furrin religion. Of course that's nonsense--but it accurately reflects their feelings of dislocation in their own country.

So we smart liberal--type people have a problem with both these Tea Party types and with ourselves. And unfortunately the sins of our side are more visible and obvious than the sins of the Republicans.

We do ballots in 15 languages. They do default credit swaps. Now try to explain both things to a guy with a high school education. See what I mean?

The Republicans commit their sins in the dark. The Democrats do their in broad daylight.

We do have common ground with the Tea Party types--we've been shafted just like they have.

It's probably impossible to reason with the ones whose minds are set. Most of them at least. But we have to try, don't we?

So start by agreeing that they have indeed been shafted, by both parties, albeit in ways they don't understand as far as the Republican shafting is concerned.

Just don't get your hopes up. As Alexis de Tocqueville pointed out well over a century ago, the Achilles heel of American democracy is rampant anti-intellectualism.

www.blogzu.blogspot.com

Posted by: ehkzu | November 13, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Life gets more precious when there's less of it to waste, much?
..... Imploringly, 'Mother Nature'.

p. s. : Agriculture, food crop, flora and fauna, the really bountyful ones, need the 'Winter' cycle.

There ARE "Reasons for the seasons'".

Posted by: deepthroat21 | November 13, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

termiteavenger @ November 12, 2010 9:11 PM wrote "If the science is strong, as the left says it is, then what is there to worry about."

Ignorance is indeed bliss! Galileo was right, and he was still hounded.

The most imporetant difference is that back then, they could not argue that it had not happened before. We are now seeing the epublicans repeating history, with all its errors!

Posted by: AMviennaVA | November 13, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Let's see where we stand on the foundation of AGW: Models bad, data bad, methodology suspected of manipulation, warming? not lately, academic integrity lacking, big money influence significant, and rhetoric against "denialists" ala the inquisition?

Makes the fundamentalist Christian approach sound downright rational.

Posted by: pacej001 | November 13, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

We are to be governed by the religious insane? The determined folly reminds one of the Athenian war against Syracuse.

Posted by: samsara15 | November 13, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

How Radical is Stromberg?

It's not so much global-warming, we prefer to leave that to the 'SUN', but global gas-bags will find a increasing lack of useful-good-for-nothings hanging around the tent and will go back to the DNCNN belfreys and caves.

Posted by: SpendNomore | November 13, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

As pacej001 posted on November 13, 2010 @ 3:04 PM:

Get down, get right, get integrity, get rational, and get 'er done, dudes...

Posted by: SpendNomore | November 13, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Actually god does not exist - therefore neither does global warming.

Posted by: cduwel | November 13, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Conservatism, and Republicans specifically, are a cancer that is destroying this country.

Posted by: zackool | November 13, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse


[@ 6:50 PM on November 13, 2010 zackool Posted: "Conservatism, and Republicans specifically, are a cancer that is destroying this country."]
= = = = = = =

...there's a cancer, there's the cancer, and then there's THE Cancer, you know the one that eats away at the synapses, day by day, sort of like smoking two joints a day. It renders one incapable of genuine, original thought, and reduces the sufferer to repeating, ad infinatum, things heard from others, things read on blog sites, and generally leaves them clueless when a paradigm shifts...

Posted by: SpendNomore | November 13, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

If Rep. John Shimkus (R-Ill.) becomes chair of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, it can only be further proof of God's intention of punishing the Dems for putting Obama (D-Ill.)in the White House. After all he does work in mysterious ways right? ROTFLMAO

Posted by: nanodots | November 13, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Spare us, O Lord, from those who would make government policy on the basis of fairy tales!

Posted by: markpkessinger | November 13, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Global warming is a religion just like believing in God or Allah or whatever.
You can't prove it exists, or doesn't exist. You believe it or you don't. No use arguing or mocking.

Maybe Rep. Shimkus is "his" God's way of getting even with the Global Warming God's believers. Just making them crazy to teach them a lesson.
His God is up, their is down. For now. What goes around, comes around.

Posted by: parkbench | November 13, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

It is astonishing, just astonishing how many people are so gullible as to believe that the entire world's scientific leadership... would or could perpetrate a scientific hoax to defraud the world. If you will believe that, you will believe anything.

Posted by: dlgreene | November 13, 2010 8:44 AM

Well, that's the slippery slope you go down with religion, eh? I mean, once you believe -- against all logic and reason -- in a make-believe guy-in-the-sky watching over us... yeah, if you believe that, you'll believe anything.

Posted by: spunkydawg1 | November 13, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Global warming is a religion just like believing in God or Allah or whatever.
You can't prove it exists, or doesn't exist. You believe it or you don't. No use arguing or mocking.

Posted by: parkbench | November 13, 2010 8:22 PM

Luckily, you CAN prove it exists, for God in His Glorious Wisdom invented the Thermometer.

Posted by: spunkydawg1 | November 13, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

"God never designed the world to hold 6 billion human beings"

Did he show you the plans?

Posted by: Harbinger1 | November 14, 2010 5:26 AM | Report abuse

The climate has always changed and always will change. Global temperatures have not risen in over a decade. There is no evidence that the warming that occurred throughout the 20th century was because of man made CO2 and it can be explained by natural cycles. There is a huge scientific backlash to the AGW theory, with literally hundreds of peer reviewed papers against it. The skeptic side of the argument is the strongest and the AGW side is looking very weak.

Posted by: Adam31 | November 14, 2010 6:25 AM | Report abuse

2 Peter 3:10 (NIV)
10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.

2 Peter 3:12 (NIV)
12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat.

2 Peter 3:13 (NIV)
13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness.

Revelation 21:1 (NIV)
21 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.


I suppose Republicans don't read or believe Everything in the Bible.

Posted by: ddoiron1 | November 14, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

This is absolutely frightening. People, how is the GOP *any* different from the Taliban in Afghanistan with 4th-century ideas like this one reigning supreme in their thinking? Don't you Republicans have children? When they get sick, do you take them to a preacher for healing, OR DO YOU TRUST SCIENCE?

WHY THEN ARE YOU PUTTING YOUR CHILDREN'S FUTURE IN THE HANDS OF A BRONZE AGE RELIGIOUS ARTIFACT? ARE YOU PEOPLE FREAKING NUTS? OR DO YOU SIMPLY LOATHE YOUR CHILDREN?

Posted by: B2O2 | November 14, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Adam31 wrote:

"Global temperatures have not risen in over a decade."

I can never quite figure out what planet conservatives are living on, so I won't speak for your home planet, Adam. But here on Earth, temperatures have without a doubt risen steadily. The past decade was the warmest on record since data collection was started over a century ago:

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/

As for your throwaway line "there is an enormous backlash in the scientific community over AGW", this is pure fantasy from the right wing denial crowd. 97% of climatologists are in agreement that the earth is warming, and that we are the primary driving force:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/01/090119210532.htm

I wish you people would grow up, learn to read, and visit a public library now and then. There are peer-reviewed science journals there like Science and Nature that are actually fairly readable for a layperson. I suggest - especially if you have kids and give a flying fig what kind of world they will be living in - that you start getting informed.

Posted by: B2O2 | November 15, 2010 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Um how is a guy who thinks Genesis is even internally coherent and that the world is 6,000 years old, just for starters, going to investigate anything more reality-based than perhaps the number of angels that could lapdance on a pinhead?

Posted by: bawrytr | November 15, 2010 6:27 AM | Report abuse

Republicans will never worry about globals warming - not while they have nuclear winter to fall back on.

Posted by: timothy2me | November 15, 2010 7:06 AM | Report abuse

Honestly, I just wanted to comment on the Agamemnon reference. I am quite sure that the only exposure about 90% of people have to Agamemnon is the movie Troy. If they have any at all. That in and of itself is a sad commentary on the literacy of our population. However, Stromberg is either aware of this, but is so insecure about his own intelligence, that he puts obscure references in his columns to make himself feel more intelligent. Or, he is not aware that most people don't know who Agamemnon is, and he is completely out of touch with reality. I'm gonna bet on the former.

Additionally, one would think that you catch more flies with honey. If you want to poke holes in the "God will save us from global warming" arguement. It would be more effective to use scriptures that talk about mans' role as a caretaker of the Earth, rather than attack their religion. Attacking a person's religious beliefs just pisses them off, it doesn't change anyone's mind.

Posted by: mathewcarson1975 | November 15, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

And Jesus said not to put God to foolish tests, which is what I think those who would cause harm to the Earth are doing by believing there will be no consequences.

Posted by: West3 | November 15, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

The earth has been much hotter.
The poles were once void of ice and supported an ecosystem in which dinosaurs flourished.

The world has also been much colder.
This planet has been completely encapsulated with ice on more than one occasion.

Both of these scenarios will happen again and again, because they are cyclical and in the fossil record.

Humans can always move to the poles to survive a Thermal Maximum cycle.
A Thermal Minimum cycle combined with a Global Icing Event would be a little trickier.

We are reaching the apex of this thermal maximum.
You better start thinking about how to survive a thermal minimum in the next 2 to 10 thousand years. At that point Anthropological Global Warming will be the stuff of wishful thinking and daydreams. Oh wait a minute! It already is! If you are Al Gore or Mr. Mann!

Posted by: rexreddy | November 15, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Reading the comments above which dispute global warming you don't find one that reflects any understanding or knowledge of the science which supports global warming. As we say down here "they aren't worth a cup of warm spit." From quoting the Bible to checking the temperature outside the denial is preposterous on its face. The only indication of global warming which is discernible from such limited information is that we will recognize the increasingly extreme weather behavior but even that, our observations are too limited. I believe the scientists because they know more than I do.

Posted by: withersb | November 15, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Reading the comments above which dispute global warming you don't find one that reflects any understanding or knowledge of the science which supports global warming. As we say down here "they aren't worth a cup of warm spit." From quoting the Bible to checking the temperature outside the denial is preposterous on its face. The only indication of global warming which is discernible from such limited information is that we will recognize the increasingly extreme weather behavior but even that, our observations are too limited. I believe the scientists because they know more than I do.

Posted by: withersb | November 15, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

It is encouraging to read so many of the above posts that point out the total nonsense of Shimkus types and their ideologies ; however in 8 separate Gallup polls over the past 26 years an average of 45% of US responders (eg. the 2008 Gallop poll numbers) said that the earth was less than 10,000 years old and that evolution didn`t happen. Europeans did much better in answering a similar poll. How can the US survive in the future when they are bogged down by their religious fundamentalist fellow citizens ??
Education of the next generation is the only hope , avoiding the religious nonsense being poured into the minds of children who , by vitue of the evolution of the minds of our species are unable to resist the brain washing effects of this input. ie. Evolution has made the brains of Homo Sapiens children to be sponges to info from their elders. If this didn`t happen our species wouldn`t have survived.
Educate ; educate ;educate and get rid of the sky-daddy idea.

Posted by: ddmjlennox | November 15, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Shimkus oughta change jobs, religion has no place in the Senate.

Posted by: glenglish | November 15, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

You critisize these folks for thier religion and introducing it into politics but turn right around and spout off about your religion of global warming and how it should be included in politics.

The cat is out of the bag, Global Warming is nothing but trumpted up theory from selected data used to scare the people into giving up liberty and enrichen the elite. They even had to try a name change to Climate Change which did not work. Dead done deal and thank goodness for that.

Posted by: Pilot1 | November 15, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

It would be interesting for Mr. Shimkus to unertake a personal interview with God, to understand God's views on the subject of using the flesh of one's ancestors as a convenient source of fuel for our fires. Maybe God can tell Shimkus how our lifestyle isn't an insult to His creation, because I can't.

More to the point, if you take global warming off the table for the policy debate, and consider only the issues of economics and national security, you find the same necessity for a new energy policy as you get when you include global warming in the debate. Oil is growing progressively more expensive, and the price will never come down. Oil is currently a dwindlling resource, without massive quantities of which our current economy immediately grinds to a halt. The world's richest sources of oil are in countries that are not our friends, and that are very likely to use oil to threaten our national security.

For all of these reasons that have nothing to do with global warming, the time for oil to be the lynchpin of our energy policy has passed, and Shimkus is using his disbelief in global warming as an excuse to ignore all the reasons we have to move on from the oil economy. Shimkus isn't just a fanatic, he's a hypocritical fanatic who exploits his fanaticism to justify his own personal corruption.

That's probably enough said about Shimkus. He thinks God is working for him, and infers that God thinks it's OK for him to be on the take from the oil business.

Posted by: lonquest | November 15, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Making Rep. Shimkus Chair of the House Energy and Commerce Committee would be like putting Rep. Mark Foley in charge of the Congressional Page Program.

Posted by: jgmann | November 15, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

What is so infuriating is the stupidity, and that is the apt word, involved. Climate change is the fundamentalist's present day Darwinism, a battle they still wage that has posited them on the fringe of the paranormal movement.

Carbon dioxide and methane have been known by chemists to be heat trapping gasses for 150 years. The Earth is a closed system and in any closed system an addition or subtraction causes changes. How much or how little is the only debate left.

To condemn one's mind to inhabit several universes e.g. religious belief, today's technology, secular or sectarian morality, is dislocating, leaving one to defend one set of beliefs in order to deny another depending entirely how one feels, not thinks. Such a mind is not consciously conflicted, indicating the loss of critical thinking skills. This is evidence, I say proof, that that person is not at all in touch with reality but diagnostically mentally ill.

And to think these same GOP minds assert control over a military is disturbing and criminal for the havoc alone they create with the mere threat of their mental instability.

Posted by: mertens266 | November 15, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

What a sad, science-illiterate country this has turned into. It may well be that in 10 or 20 years, the educated and sane need to leave this country like they did Germany in the 1930s, to settle in a country that had not gone mad. The sane, developed world may well need to conquer the United States to save the world from it.

I sure hope that doesn't come to pass. I kind of like this place. Please, conservatives, could you just reconsider about the whole "education is of the Devil" thing? It really won't hurt you as much as you think it will. Learning actually makes you BIGGER, not smaller. Embrace it. Your kids will thank you, trust me.

Posted by: B2O2 | November 15, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Republicans like Issa, Shimkus and the others will make a farce out of the republican party.
In twelve months Boehner and McConnell's agenda will have accomplished nothing and then they will spend the next 12 months blaming democrats for their incompetence.

Are TP'ers paying attention? Don't let republicans surrender to Chinese banks.

Posted by: knjincvc | November 15, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Since when did we all get crazy over religion and turn away from science? Sorry, but some religious nuts are just that. But, they are burying our country and doing irreparable harm without any justification. All because the country elected a black man. Bigotry is quite rampant and the south ain't in it alone. We have the same hatred in parts of California as well.

I'm glad I don't have much time left but I fear for my children and grandchildren. God forbid!

Posted by: wallyb | November 15, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

If 83% of americans believe in a greater power, and the WaPo keeps portraying christians as goofy hicks,
I believe as god said in
economics 1:01
they not be many to read what you
liberals be preaching...
or selling...
hasta la vistas baby...

Posted by: simonsays1 | November 15, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Another Bible thumping retard, chairing a committee that should be guided by science.

Posted by: thomass3 | November 15, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Here's guessing that Stromberg is losing his investment in all those carbon trading credits that never materialized. Face the fact blowhards, if you had to cheat to make the data fit, just exactly who is going to trust you now? If your feeling hot this winter, please feel free to vacation in the great white north, we'll cool you off, quick!

Posted by: elcigaro1 | November 15, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

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