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Posted at 11:48 AM ET, 12/27/2010

Bipartisan 'birther' backlash in Hawaii

By Jonathan Capehart

Democrats and Republicans don't agree on a heckuva a lot. But in the Aloha State of Hawaii when it comes to dealing with those seriously cracked people who refuse to accept that President Obama is an American citizen, there is bipartisan agreement that 'birthers' are a blot on the body politic. Earlier this year, then-Gov. Linda Lingle (R) signed a law giving the state health department the power to ignore persistent inquiries for peeks at the president's birth certificate.

OBAMA CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH.jpg

Somehow this certificate of live birth isn't enough for the 'birthers.' And it's bugging Hawaii's new Democratic Gov. Neil Abercrombie. He told the New York Times that he is looking at ways "to put this particular canard to rest" by changing state law so that more information about Obama's birth can be released. His reasons for doing so are the height of honorable.

"It's an insult to his mother and to his father, and I knew his mother and father; they were my friends, and I have an emotional interest in that," Governor Abercrombie said in a telephone interview late Thursday. "It's an emotional insult. It is disrespectful to the president; it is disrespectful to the office."

So, have at it, Gov. Abercrombie. Make those birthers choke on the facts. But we all know that -- and that New York Times story goes to great lengths to point this out -- birthers never let facts get in the way of their version of the truth.

By Jonathan Capehart  | December 27, 2010; 11:48 AM ET
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Faux news flash!
"Gov. Abercrombie born in Kenya!!"

Posted by: knjincvc | December 27, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Mr Capehart,

OK. so most "at least half-intelligent people" think that the "birthers" are "CRACKED".
(imVho, the birthers ARE nuts.)

BUT the current occupant has brought all this nonsense down upon himself. = BHO is his own worst enemy as he is MEAN-spirited, terminially ARROGANT, weak, "not overloaded with gray matter" & often seems angry to NO good purpose.

further, he could have ended all the gossip & "idle speculation", in just a few minutes, about his past IF he had "made a clean breast of" his health records, his tax records, his academic records & his actual birth certificate, as all the other Presidential candidates did.
(a certificate of live birth is NOT & never has been the same document. fyi, HI issues BOTH sorts of documents.)

ordinary people have more commonsense than to believe his "worshipers" and/or their lame excuses for not releasing ACTUAL records in all those areas. = personally, i suspect that what he & his cronies are trying so desperately to hide is that his parents were not actually married.
(WHO CARES if they were/were not? = MILLIONS of people are in that same situation & it is NOT the child's fault in any case.)

just ONE of the reasons that BHO's last day as POTUS will be 01-20-2013 is his PERCEIVED DISHONESTY about his past.
(i have about the same chance of being POTUS in February 2013 as BHO does, IF he chooses to run again. - i suspect that BHO will NOT make another run, as he KNOWS that he would LOSE to whomever the TEA PARTY/GOP candidate is.)

just my opinion.

yours, TN46
coordinator, CCTPP

Posted by: texasnative46 | December 27, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

I just do not understand...I thought, by law, a Presidential candidate HAD to provide PROOF of his or her birth within the boundaries of the physical United States--that "unrefutable" documents had to be presented at the time of registration as a candidate? WHY is this STILL an issue? AND, if these documents are "required by law", for what reason are they being withheld from the Public?

Put the controvery to rest already--so this issue is not a problem with 2012 election! Geeeez!

Posted by: ginsue | December 27, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

I just do not understand...I thought, by law, a Presidential candidate HAD to provide PROOF of his or her birth within the boundaries of the physical United States--that "irrefutable" documents had to be presented at the time of registration as a candidate? WHY is this STILL an issue? AND, if these documents are "required by law", for what reason are they being withheld from the Public?

Put the controversy to rest already--so this issue is not a problem with 2012 election! Geeeez!

Posted by: ginsue | December 27, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Obama can put the rumors to rest by releasing his official birth certificate, not the certificate of live birth, which is not considered the same thing.

Not to do so suggests that Obama has something to hide.

He has only himself to blame for enabling this issue to fester.

Posted by: jsands2 | December 27, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Gee, why aren't all birth certificates freely available to anyone that asks?

Can we say, Falsified documents, boys and girls?

Maybe THAT's why birth certificates aren't, and should never be, freely available to whoever the heck.

Posted by: taroya | December 27, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Somehow this certificate of live birth isn't enough for the 'birthers.'
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This is called not a certificate (which is an original BC) but a certification. Get a clue.
Secondly, it is not even sufficient to qualify for a Hawaiian land program

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl

Yet somehow good enough for US presidency.

Regardless of whether Obama is eligible for US presidency or not (which is a complicated legal matter that heavily depends on the US citizenship practices of 1960s of which you clearly have no idea), the more interesting question is why all Obama papers are secret.

Posted by: pihto999 | December 27, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Why can't Capehart acknowledge why doubts persist ?

Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh have written that they believe Obama is a liberal atheist based on his BEHAVIOR not what he says. Think Golf on Sundays, rare Church attendance, support for abortion... common attributes of atheists NOT Christians.

Silly Birthers of course... question his birthplace... because his original birth certificate is carefully locked away !

Why does President Obama allow these birther rumors to persist ? allow a soldier to suffer court-martial and imprisonment ?

Perhaps we have missed the most obvious reason... one theory posits that ethnicity was included on Hawaiian Birth certificates in the early 1960s... Obama's ethnicity would be an amalgam of his Caucasian mother and Kenyan African Arab father... “Caucasian Arab”.

“Caucasian Arab” would explain why Obama spent a huge sum of money to lock it away...

Obama completed the census listing "Black" and of course self-identifies as a "black American".

The Black community would not be pleased.. their historic President was born... a Caucasian Arab ! : )

Yes.. an internationalist President who apologizes for his country and rejects American exceptional-ism... raises doubts about WHO HE IS ? even amongst Democrats (only 45% of whoem think he is a Christian) !

Why are we surprised about doubters about birthers ?

Posted by: pvilso24 | December 27, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

why has barry spent well over a million dollars in the courts to keep his BIRTH CERTIFICATE locked up?

Posted by: cdnrod1 | December 27, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Capehart,

I'd like to ask you a few questions please. . .

1.) What is the definition of 'natural born citizen' per the founding fathers? What makes you think that definition is the one they used? {cite your source(s) please}

2.) What is the name of the only legal reference book cited in the Constitution?

3.) How do we know, beyond the mentioned reference, that that tome was used extensively by the founding fathers during their constitutional deliberations?

4.) What is the definition of 'natural born citizen' given in that reference book?

5.) Given that the founding fathers told us that there is a difference between a 'citizen' and a 'natural born citizen' (Article II, Section 1, Paragraph 5; "No Person except a natural born citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution"), why wouldn't this be their preferable definition?

The only logical conclusion is that the founding fathers defined a 'natural born citizen' as a person born on the soil AND of parentS who were citizenS {plural; my emphasis} as per the definition found in the Law of Nations.

Barry's father was NOT a U.S. citizen. He was a Kenyan national and a British subject said subjugation falling to the heirs per British law. At best, Barry was born with dual citizenship which is a disqualifier (the founding fathers would have gagged at the thought).

Further, Barry's mother divorced and married Lolo Soetoro who adopted Barack and enrolled him in School in Indonesia. At worst, Barack lost his U.S. citizenship since Indonesia didn't recognize dual citizenships and would have required that Barack give up his U.S. citizenship in order to garner Indonesian citizenship. At best, Barry ended up with dual citizenship. Further, we know that Barry retained that citizenship as he was awarded student loans based on his foreign student status.

I could go on and on but the bottom line is that Barry is NOT eligible to be our POTUS. He is a usurper.

Posted by: prsmithsr | December 27, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Jonathan...Well done. Hopefully these "birthers" or non-belivers will find something else to do with their lives other than spreading fear and hatred.

People should learn how to use their own resources instead of just believing anything that they hear. This is why the government always has to step in because people can't think for themselves. Most people tend to believe what is told to them not knowing that ignorance does not help the poor..it helps the wealthy.

Wake up and smell the coffee people...HELLO.

Posted by: cuzzbuster | December 27, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Boy, if these folks who are commenting were only as interested in George W. Bush's "alleged" military service.

Posted by: newsraptor | December 27, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Well, I guess the comments prove the point. Nothing will satisfy these loonies.

Posted by: Amminadab | December 27, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

It is fairly obvious that Democratic operatives are keeping this issue alive to discredit Conservatives who advocate this and/or credit a rift between the believers and Conservatives who think there is no way to disprove or disprove it.

If Obama really wanted to put it to rest he would post the original hand-written birth certificate and authorize the Church of LDS to release a copy if they have it on microfilm. The latter may require a change in state law, but it would preclude any recent forgeries.

It is certainly possible that a Kenyan birth could have been registered in a state at the time. Any doctor, or possibly a midwife, could have done it at the request of the family. However, it is virtually impossible to prove today.

Posted by: TraderB | December 27, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Gov. Abercrombie and the rest of those wanting to put this issue away forever are banking on their view that most Americans are Homer Simpsons and the wool can be pulled over our eyes.

If this is such a non-issue why doesn't Obama approve Hawaii's release of the actual birth certificate? The fact is that Barry Barrack Sorento Obama for various reasons is ineligible to serve as POTUS.

Let's see his birth certificate, the passport he used to go to Pakistan when it was illegal for Americans to travel there, and details of his citizenship in Indonesia.

The media should get off this "birther" tag and call us "Constitutionalists".

Posted by: thehamptons1 | December 27, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

People should learn how to use their own resources instead of just believing anything that they hear.
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Perfect advise! Why wouldn't you use it yourself? Please state your resource that proves that Barack Obama is a natural born US citizen as defined by US laws of 1960s given that his father was a British subject and that his mother further married an Indonesian and took little Barack there with her.

Posted by: pihto999 | December 27, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Wake up Obamabot Capehart..... in 1961 they did not use AFRICAN for RACE..it was negro or black ..... this is obviously a fake..
Secondly there is no Hospital name or Doctors name so this isnt a valid proof of birth or a birth certificate....

It is you Mr Capehart who is "severly cracked" for salivating over this Fraud in Chief...

Posted by: JUNGLEJIM123 | December 27, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

No Birth Certificate has ever been released! That unknown document is a Certificate of Live Birth that contains no information to prove or disprove Natural Born American status. The fact is his daddy was NEVER an American Citizen - NEVER! He was a Kenyan Brit under the British Nationality Act of 1948 that caused any of his children to be born British Subjects no mater where their birth takes place. If you think Obama is a Natural Born American Citizen you have to accept the fact he was born a British Subject. Our first Supreme Court Chief Justice John Jay would disagree with you as he was the one that advised George Washington of the need of the Natural Born requirement to keep the Brits out of our new Government's top position.
Everybody needs to send a registered letter to Hawaii and ask for all avialable information on Barack Hussein Obama, Barrack Hussein Obama, Barry Soetoro, or boy child Dunham born in 1957-1962. Every request from a different person is a new request and Hawaii Law states they have to respond. Make um do their job.

Posted by: old1 | December 27, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Why would Abercrombie bring this up now?
Two possibilities:
1. He is trying to protect Hawaii from becoming a laughing stock and worse if Obama decides not to run for re-election.
2. He is engaging in some more flim-flam to avoid addressing the only way to get to the bottom of it, which is to look at the original source documents with 1961 signatures when no one had reason to lie.

Either there is a 1961 birth certificate or there is not. Soon we are going to find out.

Those seeking the Presidency will have to file documents with election officials throughout the U.S.

There are over 3,000 counties in the U.S. Even if the state election officials don't ask for the birth certificate, some of the county officials will. Disputes will be tied up for months in the courts.

A lot of local judges are going to rule in favor of requiring the birth certificate before being place on the ballot.

Posted by: TrueObserver | December 27, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Responding to jsands2 (December 27, 2010 1:25PM), who said: "Obama can put the rumors to rest by releasing his official birth certificate, not the certificate of live birth, which is not considered the same thing."

That's because the State of Hawaii, and not President Barack Obama, holds actually physical possession of his original Aug. 1961 birth certificate.

Further, Hawaii has one of the strictest privacy laws in the country, which precludes outsiders from gaining potential possession of such important personal documents and information. So, the president has no say in this matter, even if he requests the birth certificate's release personally.

Do you understand? It's. The. Law. Or is that too tough for you?

Finally, no less an authority than former Hawaii GOP Gov. Linda Lingle has vouched personally for the authenticity of the original birth certificate, since she went to the Hawaii Dept. of Health personally during her late tenure and asked to see it, in order to put this issue to rest. Why isn't that good enough for you people?

Obama didn't bring this on himself. Rather, this recurring nonsense is the sole folly of ideologically-driven closet racists who refuse to face inconvenient facts that interfere with your pre-determined narratives. In that regard, I'd respectfully advise you to take due heed of the silly company you keep, and try to put some distance between them and you.

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Responding to old1 (DEcember 27, 2010 3:38 PM), who said: "No Birth Certificate has ever been released! That unknown document is a Certificate of Live Birth that contains no information to prove or disprove Natural Born American status. The fact is his daddy was NEVER an American Citizen - NEVER! He was a Kenyan Brit under the British Nationality Act of 1948 that caused any of his children to be born British Subjects no mater where their birth takes place. If you think Obama is a Natural Born American Citizen you have to accept the fact he was born a British Subject. Our first Supreme Court Chief Justice John Jay would disagree with you as he was the one that advised George Washington of the need of the Natural Born requirement to keep the Brits out of our new Government's top position."

You really need to lay off Cutty & Bongwaters, old1. Seriously. There is an ample amount of constitutional case law on the subject of American citizenship that easily precludes your 18th century-rooted argument about the need to "keep the Brits out".

But in the meantime, if you want to continue urging "everyone" to "send a registered letter to Hawaii", well, by all means, knock yourself out.

Personally, I think most people have more productive things to do with their day than chase your red herrings, but I'm sure there are a few anti-social winger types living in their mother's basement apartments who'll gladly oblige you.

Aloha.

Posted by: dkoelper | December 27, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Responding to JUNGLEJIM (December 27, 2010 at 3:35 PM), who said "Wake up Obamabot Capehart..... in 1961 they did not use AFRICAN for RACE..it was negro or black ..... this is obviously a fake."

(Sigh!) Abraham Lincoln was right. Apparently, you CAN fool some of the people all of the time.

Speaking as someone who's a lifelong resident of Hawaii, I can speak with some authority that you absolutely do not know what you're talking about, particularly on the subject of official documents issued by the State of Hawaii.

Not that such things as facts and truth will stop the demented likes of you from spewing your racist-inspired drivel, but hopefully it will convince a few others here to pay you no heed whatsoever.

Aloha - as in goodbye, you yahoo.

Posted by: dkoelper | December 27, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

to pihto999
don't why I respond, but for grins I went to the link in your comment per 'certificate of live birth' is an insufficient doc for certain Hawaii Progs.

You apparently can't read.

Right there in plain type it says that the core document for eligibility is the 'certificate of live birth'...the same doc posted in this blog that Obama posted in 2007. This program is for hawaiian's who trace their local ancestory to polynesian inhabitants before 1778...irrelevant to this

But just a perfect example of how the birther nuts will twist/falsify any info. Even their own sources say they're wrong. Perhaps I hit upon the problem. All these comments are from people who just can't read. Just stupid, stupid, stupid.

Posted by: sowsage | December 27, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

dkoelper,

there is a word for your "HI law" claims (in your post above) on HI birth certificates: fiction.

fyi, i was once a military officer & have personally seen any number of "certified copies of" HI birth certificates, rather than a "certificate of live birth". = the armed services will not accept anything except a birth certificate for TS clearances.

if BHO wanted to have everyone see his birth certificate, he has only to write a letter to the government agency in HI & asked that it be revealed. = as another poster said, above, BHO brought this all on himself & has no one else to blame for his perfidery.

sincerely, Retired MP46

Posted by: retiredMP46 | December 27, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Read the fine print at the bottom of the Certification. "This copy serves as prima facia evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceedings." The Certification is sufficient to obtain a US passport. I doubt any previous president or candidate have been asked to provide more. The list includes Barry Goldwater who was born in the territory--not state--of Arizona and John McCain who was born in the Panama Canal Zone. Spin it all you want but Obama was born in the State of Hawaii and is a natural born citizen of the United States.

The postings to the contrary serve as prima facia evidence that birthers are morons.

Posted by: rhc52 | December 27, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

The media should get off this "birther" tag and call us "Constitutionalists." That's the best line I've heard all day!

Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Welcome to America! Unfortunately, there isn't much left of our constitution since you decided to start caring about it. Where were you for the Patriot Act? Where were you when FISA law was usurped? Where were you when Vice President Cheney had secret energy talks? I find it ironic that all the time you accused left-leaning Americans of being weak on terror and whining about President Bush usurping the power of the presidency, you didn't notice your rights being stripped from you. I have no sympathy for your "BIRTHERS!" You didn't care when your ideals were being stroked by a madman. Now I don't care that there is possibly a Kenyan running our country. Frankly, I don't even care! He's done a better job in less than two years than your slanted, fascist pig of a leader did in eight!

Go jump in the Gulf of Mexico and swim with your chemical dispersants. You looked the other way when big government doubled the national debt. All in the name of patriotism. There's a special place in Hell for you. You can sit next to Mussolini, Hitler, Neville Chamberlain and all the other crazies and appeasers.

Posted by: spongesallofyou | December 27, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

The birthers want the government to step in and help them with this. They want the government's to use tax money and do this for them. They feel that the government and what it does is important. They believe that it's up to government to take care of things like this for us. Wow, what blatant hipocrasy.

Posted by: valerie14 | December 27, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

The birthers are correct. This vast liberal conspiracy has been going on since they posted Barack's birth notice in the Hawaii paper in 1961. Now that those nasty liberals can foretell the future, I want to know if the Mayan calendar is correct. If so, I'm going to party like its 2012 instead of 1999.

Posted by: jeanne021556 | December 27, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

We have a saying in medicine ... if you didn't document it you didn't do it ... we physicians sign things , often in triplicate ... If a doctor delivered BHO in a major Hawaii hospital as he himself has stated there would without a doubt be a long form birth certificate with a physician's signature ... if this is not produced questions will remain among many rational non partisan memebers of our countrymen ...

Posted by: cunn9305 | December 27, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

dkoelper:

"That's because the State of Hawaii, and not President Barack Obama, holds actually physical possession of his original Aug. 1961 birth certificate."

Are you claiming that his parents were not given a birth certificate or that they were given a short form? This shows later requestors of copies were sent a photostat of the long form. The short form was apparently not used at least until 2001.

A simple web search disproves your statement:

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105347

Posted by: TraderB | December 27, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

This is an example of a certificate given to the parents in 1963:

http://snarkybytes.com/2008/06/18/hawaii-birth-certificate-1963/

Posted by: TraderB | December 27, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

A certificate of live birth is NOT a birth certificate. There is absolutely no reason not to release the original birth certificate with the signature of the doctor.

Nothing prevents Obama from releasing his own birth certificate. The only plausable reason for refusing to do so is that he wants this controversy to continue... so that he can call his reasonable opponents 'crazy birthers'.

Posted by: nptalcott | December 27, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse


Ironic, obama's failure in office led to the Republicans winning a record number of seats in the state houses. Those state officials are passing legislation requiring a birth certificate to run for POTUS. barry can't run for reelection because he can't produce one. HAHAHAHA!!!!


Posted by: Nobama__in___2012 | December 27, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Nothing will ever be enuf from a State that was a State less than Five years old when it issued a certificate of birth to this child. I was here when it was still a Territory and I get the pleasure of watching and reading these birthers trippin over themselves in delight over their ignorance at how youthful States are managed when they are bereft of Federal funds. Imagine if Hawaii had received all the funds it was due when she became a State, my would'nt my family and many others be much more socially advanced than we are now! We are still sraping the bottom of the poorhouse barrel down here because the Feds nevah did pay in all they coulda when this Territory became a State!
BTW, How many of those founding fathers were natural born citizens? And why do we still follow a large document titled the Constitution written by some guys nevah born in the USA if they are NOT OF THIS SOIL nor WERE THEIR PARENTS? SAY WHAT BIRTHERS? PICK A FIGHT WITH THE HYPOCRITICAL FOUNDING FATHERS THAT WERE NEVER BORN OF THE USA DIRT! Something wrong there don't ya think. Granted it is a fine document, but kinda weird in that portion as it is self-exclusionary to them.

Posted by: lslorifreitas | December 27, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

How can anyone think for a minute that Obama wasn't thoroughly investigated by the FBI long before his election?

Posted by: fishinfool | December 27, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Sadly, our First Couple has come to the Highest Office of the Land with a latent arrogant disregard for the Office. In her words "...I have never been proud of this nation before...." Yet, both and each of these proud individuals have lived lives at a higher level of self indulgence and self-adulation than the average tax payer by a great margin. So, with such imperical demeanor critics are baited never to rest.

Bill Nahay
Austin, TX
Bill.Nahay@BillNahay.com
(512) 258-0088

Posted by: billnahay | December 27, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Show me Abraham Lincoln's birth certificate. If you do not find it, then, we can have more to debate.

Posted by: weirdharold1941 | December 28, 2010 12:04 AM | Report abuse

As physical evidence of the States interest in an individual, and being a precedence of the dependence on the value and exchange of U.S. currency,

the document expresses the liability (the cost of the document to create and protect), as well as unique and individual Constitutionally protected rights.

The right of the US Government to defend the value of that currency, and demonstration of the precedence of dependence on the federal government, are evidence, too.

Posted by: SpesFetter12 | December 28, 2010 12:33 AM | Report abuse

I want to ask them if they hear the voices on the inside or the outside of their heads.

Posted by: Nymous | December 28, 2010 12:54 AM | Report abuse

You birther people are crazy. Everyone in the world thinks you're a pile of people who are certifiably insane. Governments can certify that too, the lot of you ought to test any theories you might have about the validity of such certifications. The rest of us would welcome it. Mainly, we'd welcome it if you crawled back into your crazy hole and shut up.

Posted by: Nymous | December 28, 2010 1:01 AM | Report abuse

I guess this was a 48 year long conspiracy to get a black, Kenyan, socialist, maoist, Democrat planted in the whitehouse. Imagine the coordination between the CIA and the FBI and all parties that must have been involved........Now if they could do that,my question is, where is osama bin laden?

Posted by: fishinfool | December 28, 2010 1:16 AM | Report abuse

I guess this was a 48 year long conspiracy to get a black, Kenyan, socialist, maoist, Democrat planted in the whitehouse. Imagine the coordination between the CIA and the FBI and all parties that must have been involved........Now if they could do that,my question is, where is osama bin laden?

Posted by: fishinfool | December 28, 2010 1:18 AM | Report abuse

Dear Nobama__in___2012,

What is your measure of success? How many congressional and senate seats are gained or lost in congress? Is that what really matters to you? If it is, and it's not the success and prosperity of our great nation, then I shame you as an ideologue. You care more about Republican seats gained in congress than the security and welfare of this country?

Recent history lesson: In 2008, President Bush saw control of the House of Representatives and the Senate and the White House fall to the Democrats. Was that a measure of his success? In 2006, the House of Representatives was taken over by Democrats for the first time since Newt Gingrich and his "Contract on America" in 1994. Was President Bush to blame? In 2002, after President Bush did nothing to stop the terrorist attacks in NYC, Washington, D.C. and Pennsylvania, Republicans gained a majority in the Senate. Was that success? In 1998, President Clinton was the first sitting president to see a gain of Senate seats during his tenure in office. THAT was a measure of success!

You don't want Obama to be reelected, that's understandable, you don't like him. But at what cost are you willing to unseat him? What measure of success is more important to you? If you can produce a viable candidate to face Obama in 2012, I say, "Bring it on!"

Oh by the way, did you notice what a "Lame Duck" Congress did these past 6 weeks? Imagine 2 more years of that. Your petty little Republicans will falter to compromise now that they have a little more power. THAT'S ironic. Don't believe me? Look at Clinton's success after 1994!

Obama is an American! He's the POTUS whether you like it or not. Cry all you want. That's why Americans have the Constitution. If you don't like it, there are still seats available next to your Fascist heroes in Hell.

Posted by: spongesallofyou | December 28, 2010 1:35 AM | Report abuse

All the birthers commenting here prove the point: they're all seriously ignorant or "cracked." And why weren't the birthers equally troubled by John McCain's birth in Panama? It's because the GOP has become little more than a playground for birthers, 'baggers, and bigots. The terribly corrupt leading the willfully ignorant.

Posted by: Bugs222 | December 28, 2010 7:01 AM | Report abuse

In the birthers so-called facts above there is more misinformation, confusion and nonsense than you can often find in one place. When accurate information is so widely available how can you come up with so much nonsense; why are you so desperate to believe such lies. I would find a good shrink if I were any of you; this is delusional behavior and should not be taken as anything else. The news media needs to quit feeding the beast and refer these people for medical help.

Posted by: withersb | December 28, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Birthers demonstrates one of two things.
Either A) Obama was born in Hawaii and they are simply morons

or

B) Obama was not born in the USA and the GOP is too inept/moronic to prove it.

Either way A or B shows the GOP is made up of a large moron base.

Posted by: rcc_2000 | December 28, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Dear Sirs,
The Constitution makes the assumption that we are able to rule ourselves.
The Senate and the Supreme Court have already decided that Obama is a US citizen.
On the other hand, the "birthers" havethe word of a pardoned felon, G. Gordon Liddy!
Which ones do you trust?
Clifford Spencer

Posted by: yankeefan1925 | December 28, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

The president who campaigned for a more “open government” and “full disclosure” will not unseal his medical records, his school records, or his passport records. He will not release his Harvard records, his Columbia College records, or his Occidental College records—he will not even release his Columbia College thesis. All his legislative records from the Illinois State Senate are missing and he claims his scheduling records during those State Senate years are lost as well. In addition, no one can find his school records for the elite K-12 college prep school, Punahou School, he attended in Hawaii.

Posted by: fury60 | December 28, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Such strange comments from the right-wing-nut contingent.

Posted by: GeneTouchet | December 28, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

prsmither. I'd like to ask you a few questions please. . .

1) where are you getting your information on the "constitution". From the same class that Christine O'Donnell took that made her an "expert" on the constitution.

2.) What is the definition of 'natural born citizen' per the founding fathers? What makes you think that definition is the one they used? {cite your source(s) please}

2.) What is the name of the only legal reference book cited in the Constitution? (cite sources please)

3.) Given that the founding fathers told us that there is a difference between a 'citizen' and a 'natural born citizen' (Article II, Section 1, Paragraph 5; "No Person except a natural born citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution"), why wouldn't this be their preferable definition?

The only logical conclusion is that the founding fathers defined a 'natural born citizen' as a person born on the soil AND of parentS who were citizenS {plural; my emphasis} as per the definition found in the Law of Nations.

Barry's father was NOT a U.S. citizen. He was a Kenyan national and a British subject said subjugation falling to the heirs per British law. At best, Barry was born with dual citizenship which is a disqualifier (the founding fathers would have gagged at the thought).

Further, Barry's mother divorced and married Lolo Soetoro who adopted Barack and enrolled him in School in Indonesia. At worst, Barack lost his U.S. citizenship since Indonesia didn't recognize dual citizenships and would have required that Barack give up his U.S. citizenship in order to garner Indonesian citizenship. At best, Barry ended up with dual citizenship. Further, we know that Barry retained that citizenship as he was awarded student loans based on his foreign student status.

This diatribe shows your actual lack of knowledge of anything to do with the constitution. The 14th ammendment pretty much solves this question. Even if Mr. Sotero adopted BHO, that doesn't take away his citizenship.

And MP46, you can use a copy of your Birth Certificate for a TS clearance. I've had one for the last 14 yrs with one. I submitted the same thing BHO did. You guys need to get on with your lives. Besides....since pretty much all conservatives hate Hilary, do you REALLY think she wouldn't have used this during the primaries to get rid of him? Really? Man you guys need to get a life.


Posted by: kerama98 | December 28, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Birthers,
I was born in a Vermont. Until very recently, the state did NOT issue a birth certificate. All it sent was a card with the state seal, date and place of birth. My family has lived in Vermont since the 1700's and fought in the Revolutionary War (among others). If because of state law I can't produce a "real" birth certificate am I not an American? Laws and procedures vary from state to state. PLEASE get over yourselves already!

Posted by: woodchuck27 | December 28, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Why would Obama not put all this to rest?
Possibly he doesn't want ro. When the tea partiers, AKA the revolt of the trailer trash, take control of the house and confront real problems like structural problems of the deficit (which they've only cared about since 20Jan2009) and the beneficiaries of entitlement programs they will return to worrying about where the latest mosque is being built and the location and status of Obamas' birth. Remember the tea party mantra on Obamacare. "Keep the guv'ts hands off my medicare!"
In short, Obama wants to leave this idiocy on the table and ensure his easy re-election.

Posted by: mfkpadrefan | December 28, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

@pihto999: "Regardless of whether Obama is eligible for US presidency or not (which is a complicated legal matter that heavily depends on the US citizenship practices of 1960s of which you clearly have no idea)"
Nothing complicated about it. Obama was born in the state of Hawaii which was then part of the United States. Under the 14th Amendment he's a citizen.


@kerama98: "At worst, Barack lost his U.S. citizenship since Indonesia didn't recognize dual citizenships and would have required that Barack give up his U.S. citizenship in order to garner Indonesian citizenship."
The only way a natural-born citizen can lose his us citizenship is to formally renounce it. As a minor Obama couldn't do that. He may well have dual citizenship through his mother's marriage. However, that doesn't disqualify him from being president.

I really hope the Republican congress launches an investigation of this, just to show how foolish they are.

Posted by: sjpatejak | December 28, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Why doesn't Hawaii just start charging $500 each for a color copy of that document? Damn it, make some mullah off this silliness.

Posted by: zakany | December 28, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

kerama98; all,

to "kerama98": do you perchance have a "reading comprehension problem"?

if you will go back & actually read what i wrote you will find that i said that "certified copies of" a birth certificate is required to get a TS clearance.= my point was that "a certificate of live birth" is not in HI (or elsewhwere) a suitable replacement for a birth certificate.
a "certificate of live birth" is nothing more than an official statement that, at the date/time that the document was issued, the individual described therein was alive.
(fyi, i held a TS, with numerous endorsements thereto, for over 28 years & was frequently involved in the process of granting other servicemember's security clearances, so i know a fair amount about the required documentation.)

to all: the hatefulness, arrogance, ignorance of the law/facts exhibited by the leftist lunatics & DIMocRAT extremists on this forum astounds & saddens me. = most of them write as if their best five years of public school was third grade.

furthermore, most of "the Obama worshipers" on "PP" cannot spell even simple words & their grasp of the rules of basic English grammar is poor. nonetheless the leftists/DIMocRAT extremists/haters ridicule others here, who disagree with the inbred/arrogant/fact-free prejudices of the left, as uneducated/ignorant/stupid/silly/racist/etc. = that would be truly funny if the leftists were not themselves so pitifully inept, prejudiced & filled with hate & (unwarranted) self-importance.

a previous poster is 100% correct. = BHO brought all of this controversy upon himself. his failure to voluntarily release his personal records to the public is his fault & that of no other person.
(inasmuch as BHO will not be POTUS in 2013 this "birthplace controversy" will, in the long run, make no difference.)

BHO is insufferably arrogant, not particuliarly bright, a weakling, a dismal failure as POTUS & everyone with any commonsense knows that. furthermore, BHO will take the DIMocRATS party down with him in 2012. = 2012 will be another bloodbath for the left & perhaps the end of the DIMocRATS as a major political party.

sincerely yours, Retired MP46

Posted by: texasnative46 | December 28, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Obama is an American!
Posted by: spongesallofyou | December 28, 2010 1:35 AM
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That's not the legal issue.

obama is an "american".

obama is not a "natural born American" and therefore, not the POTUS.


Posted by: Nobama__in___2012 | December 28, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

my goodness there are a lot of crazy people out there....

Posted by: funkey | December 28, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

According to Protection of Classified Information by Congress: Practices and Proposals at www.fas.org/sgp/crs/secrecy/RS20748.pdf
Members of Congress (as with the President and Vice President, Justices of the Supreme Court, or other federal court judges) have never been required to hold security clearances.
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/constitution/index.html

But still, can Barack Obama fills out SF 86 Questionnaire for National
Security Positions at http://www.opm.gov/forms/pdf_fill/SF86.pdff?
http://www.opm.gov/forms/html/sf.asp
For example, #3 require an original birth ceritifcate, not a copy.
and #9
#5 other names use (In Indonesia?)
#10, dual citizenship (kenya?)
#18, list (12) half-brother, he has what, how many in Kenya?
#19 and #20, many Kenyan contacts
#29, a,b,c,,,, the ACLU, Amnesty, Himan Rights Watch, CCR, etc.

John McCain had a security clearances when he was in the Navy as an OFFICER

Posted by: Rockvillers | December 28, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

The pseudo politicians who continued to question Obama's citizenship after the State of Hawaii Birth Certificate was made public and certified by Hawaii's Gov should be disqualified for re-election to any office.
To think that both GOP and Demo specialists had failed to check that out prior to the 2008 election is to be childishly ignorant sand undeserving of any office.

Posted by: winger1 | December 28, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

It must be horrible to be a birther with all that hate inside.
That CCTPP coordinator sounds awfully angry. Maybe you all should sit back and think about things that make you thankful as opposed to dwelling on thoughts that cause rage.
After all, Obama WON THE ELECTION. The majority likes him. Just because you don't agree with the President doesn't mean he's not an American. No wonder you are considered stupid.

Posted by: spro | December 28, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

prsmithsr, et al:
Can you please cite a single piece of case law to support your INTERPRETATION of the Constitution to require that the POTUS' parents both be citizens? You have one reasonable interpretation - many smart people don't agree with it and have their own. Or is it impossible for someone to be reasonable and honorable if they disagree with you?

Posted by: aaaugh | December 28, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

What I have to say is a central point of the Obama Birth certificate issue that has been consistently ignored.

When an adoption takes place the original - long form - birth certificate is SEALED - even the adult adoptee is denied access to the original birth certificate. Each state has control over this and adoptees have been fighting for years to get access to their original birth certificates. They won the fight in many states such as Tennessee and Oregon but have been fighting for years in New Jersey and Hawaii for that matter. The President of the United States is not above the law and therefore he should not be able to produce a live birth certificate from Hawaii unless every other Hawaiian adoptee has the same option, which should be THE ONLY way that the President should have access to his original birth certificate. For more information go the the American Adoption Congress they may even have a link to put you in contact with groups advocating the right of Hawaiian adult adoptees to have access to their original birth certificates.

Posted by: abigaillovett | December 28, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

If you really believe that the CIA, FBi, Secret Service, Fox News and GOP intelligentia were completely bamboozled in their confirmation of President Obama's US citizenship, there's no sane conversation to be had with you.

At that point, something just isn't right in the brain.

Posted by: TraderX | December 28, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

The president who campaigned for a more “open government” and “full disclosure” will not unseal his medical records, his school records, or his passport records. He will not release his Harvard records, his Columbia College records, or his Occidental College records—he will not even release his Columbia College thesis. All his legislative records from the Illinois State Senate are missing and he claims his scheduling records during those State Senate years are lost as well. In addition, no one can find his school records for the elite K-12 college prep school, Punahou School, he attended in Hawaii.

Posted by: fury60 | December 28, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Birthers are like dogs that chase cars: they have no idea what they would do if they somehow caught the car.

Posted by: fzdybel | December 28, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

If Governor Abercrombie really wants to clear this up. There is a very simple solution. He and obama need to unseal obama's records. Simple. obama has spent a lot of money getting and maintaining the sealing of his records. Why? As long as obama insists on his records being sealed no one will trust him or this governor. Abercrombie could easily be mistaken or fooled by time (50+ years). Could have been someone else and he just wants to make a name for himself.

Posted by: vageorge | December 28, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

When I went to transfer my CDL from Utah to Virginia I had to produce my birth Certificate Utah drivers license, passport, and a utility bill in my name before they would issue my license. Humm.. Seems as if running for president is easier. obama is used to skirting requirements. I actually believe that he is illegal as all his records are sealed and his financing was from Saudi Arabia.

Posted by: vageorge | December 28, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

What I have to say is a central point of the Obama Birth certificate issue that has been consistently ignored.

When an adoption takes place the original - long form - birth certificate is SEALED - even the adult adoptee is denied access to the original birth certificate. Each state has control over this and adoptees have been fighting for years to get access to their original birth certificates. They won the fight in many states such as Tennessee and Oregon but have been fighting for years in New Jersey and Hawaii for that matter. The President of the United States is not above the law and therefore he should not be able to produce a live birth certificate from Hawaii unless every other Hawaiian adoptee has the same option, which should be THE ONLY way that the President should have access to his original birth certificate. For more information go the the American Adoption Congress they may even have a link to put you in contact with groups advocating the right of Hawaiian adult adoptees to have access to their original birth certificates.
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If this is true, is there a question about who his father is? probably Where does the Kenya official birth certificate come from. Does the certificate of live birth cancel the original birth certicate? Actually I wonder if any one knows where obama was born other than his mother's statement

Posted by: vageorge | December 28, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse


Wondering if one problem is that his mother wasn't sure about the father either.

Posted by: vageorge | December 28, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

My certificate of birth and most all other certificates of birth issued in the 20th century, if not before, if the child was born in a hospital, was issued by the hospital, signed by the doctor, etc. Such a certificate had to be produced when being drafted into the Army, WWII, submitted with subsequent security clearances, etc. Does the "Certificate of Birth" issued for Obama meet those basic qualifications, the attening doctor, the hospital, etc. Go look at your own birth certificate. Any 'state' or 'federal' authority can, and often does, come up wth a 'certificate' to prove a point when it becomes politically necessary. Golly gee whiz, pleople. How about the governor of Hawaii own birth cettificate or any other person born in Hawaii? Make a comparison. Should anyone repeat anyone who is POTUS, elected in good faith based on Constitutional principles and values be required to provide for public record and view the certificate of birth asserting his/her birth in a US medical facility signed by the doctor and medical facility. What the governor did was issue a concocted State of Hawaii 'official document'. Well, whoopie do!!!

Posted by: IowaLad | December 28, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

John Boehner is about to become 2nd in the line of succession to the Presidency. But where is Boehner's birth certificate?

Oh sure, Boehner says he was born in Ohio.
But how many native Ohioans have such dark skin?

Some speculate that Boehner is really a Pakistani, sent to the US to wage covert jihad on our Christian nation ...

Posted by: HughBriss | December 28, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Most birthers should be neutered!

Posted by: ChasMan1 | December 28, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Birthers are like dogs that chase cars: every now and again a dog gets run over, viz Lt. Col. Lakin.

Posted by: fzdybel | December 28, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

IMHO, President Obama and Hawaii's governor are well within their legal rights to refuse any and all requests to violate the President's privacy as guaranteed under Hawaiian law.

Even Presidents of the United States have legal rights, and President Obama has every right to uphold his. The burden of proof lies with the challengers, not the President.

If 'birthers' want to challenge the President’s constitutional rights, let them propose a legal challenge and attempt to pass it through the court system. IMHO, every court that has legal jurisdiction in the matter will throw them out on their collective as–es, just as they should.

Posted by: bloommarko4 | December 28, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

IMHO, President Obama and Hawaii's governor are well within their legal rights to refuse any and all requests to violate the President's privacy as guaranteed under Hawaiian law.

Even Presidents of the United States have legal rights, and President Obama has every right to uphold his. The burden of proof lies with the challengers, not the President.

If 'birthers' want to challenge the President’s constitutional rights, let them propose a legal challenge and attempt to pass it through the court system. IMHO, every court that has legal jurisdiction in the matter will throw them out on their collective as–es, just as they should.

Posted by: bloommarko4 | December 28, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

This should not be taken as tu quoque, because I think the birthers are living in a parallel universe where Obama is disqualified by pigmentation rather than birth. But, just saying, it was McCain who was not qualified, as he was without doubt born in the Canal Zone.

But isn't there a federal law that makes the children of GIs stationed abroad natural born citizens?

Yes, but it was passed after McCain was born, so that is more evidence McCain was not a natural born citizen within the meaning of the law before Congress acted.

Do I seriously contend that McCain should not have been allowed to run? Of course not. That would have been as silly as not letting Obama run.

The colonists were worried about natural born Brits, because they had just fought a war with the Brits. Neither McCain nor Obama was a Brit.

By the way, would the Constitution allow a candidate born by Caesarian? What about in vitro fertilization? What about a clone?

What about we amend the Constitution and let the Governator run? I would not vote for him but I don't consider him a lesser American because he chose to come here. In a way, he's more of an American.

By the way, since I'm an American Indian, I can't help but observe that y'all are way too slow getting a handle on this immigration stuff!

Posted by: swrussel | December 28, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

texasnative#6:
I never thought that Obama's parents weren't married before now. But your idea does make sense, especially when I recall how far his people went to keep information undisclosed.

Posted by: sperrico | December 28, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

"Birthers", or should I say "Americans", just want to know the truth about Obama's birth and his 'hidden years'. A long-form Hawaiian Birth Certificate (if one exsists), Passport Records (did he travel on non-US passports?), School and College Records (was he a foreign student? scholarships based on what?) are all 'officially' hidden, and would simply prove one way or the other the turth. Let's face it, it is an Official Government cover-up. The recent military trial of Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin, yet again proves Official Government cover-up. All three branches of Federal Government: Executive, Legislative and Judcial are all guilty of 'Official Cover-up'.

Posted by: Xman2 | December 28, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Dear Nobama__in___2012 ,

Barack Husein Obama III is an American. Your trite accusations to the contrary don't make it so. Until you can show me proof of his birthplace being any of place than the State of Hawaii, U.S. Territory or an other state or territory covered by the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, he is an American.

I understand your a xenophobe and don't like his middle name but making accusations about his citizenship without proof is simply pathetic. Do you wear a tin-foil hat when you write against your country? Big Brother is watching!!!

Posted by: spongesallofyou | December 29, 2010 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Dear texasnative46,

I understand you can find fault in Liberals misspelling words but to criticize them while you make them yourself is laughable.

Below are a few examples:

You wrote "particuliarly." I think you meant to write "particularly."

You don't capitalize you sentences and seem to have a Sarah Palin style of making run on sentences. Take a breath and punctuate, please!

Posted by: spongesallofyou | December 29, 2010 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Dear texasnative46,

I understand you can find fault in Liberals misspelling words but to criticize them while you make them yourself is laughable.

Below are a few examples:

You wrote "particuliarly." I think you meant to write "particularly."

You don't capitalize your sentences and seem to have a Sarah Palin style of making run on sentences. Take a breath and punctuate, please!

Posted by: spongesallofyou | December 29, 2010 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Birthers, please show me where in our Constitution it says that a President cannot be born in another country? It says "natural born" which, by definition in the times of our founding fathers meant to be born a citizen of a country. If your interpretation were correct why did you not object to John McCain running for President? He was born in the Panama Canal Zone which was not a territory or US soil, it was "administered" by the US. And while Congress did write laws granting citizenship to people born in the canal zone, by birther logic, would not be valid since they would be counter to the Constitution and Congress nor the States can make laws counter to the rights granted by the Constitution.

The concept of "natural birth" when it comes to the Presidency is that the person holding the office must have been born a citizen. The only exception are those citizens who were citizens of another country before there was a United States and became citizens as soon as the United States became a sovereign country.

It always amazes me that people who claim to embrace the Constitution, especially a literal interpretation as our founding fathers intended actually know so little about it. Which is why I often label them as ignorant.

Posted by: rcc_2000 | December 29, 2010 12:40 AM | Report abuse

The "birther" movement chronicles the stupidity of a significant number of people.

Maybe it's about time nitwits not be permitted to vote or serve on juries.

Posted by: gpsman | December 29, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

spongesallofyou,

"Retired MP46" (he & his lady are "in town" for a RVN vets reunion & stayed a couple of nights with us.) wrote the post that you referred to above on my laptop & evidently didn't realize that my "signature" would appear at the foot of the post.

NO, he is NOT perfect (are you?) but he is about ten times more intelligent/educated/skilled than the VAST majority of the hate-FILLED, semi-literate, ill-educated, arrogantly prejudiced & MEAN-spirited DIMocRAT/leftist/extremist nitwits, who frequent this forum.

For example, "the chief" would have never written the following "literary gem", posted by one of the BHO "worshipers" about a week ago:

"Those Repulicun people never give Preisdent Obama credit for nouthing that he does. All they do id gripe gripe gripe and be racist"
(As someone said at the time, i seriously wonder what "the poster" was doing during grammar school English & Spelling classes, as he/she certainly was NOT learning.)

So, (despite his faults) the comments of "Retired MP46" are apt, when commenting on the DIM-wits of "the BHO coven of fools, idiots,leftists, crooks, cretins & wierdos".

yours, TN46
coordinator, CCTPP

Posted by: texasnative46 | December 29, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

It is interesting that this ‘birther’ issue was brought up again by a Democrat Governor. Why is that and why is the birth certificate of the President of the United States not out in plain view so there are no questions? Why are people up in arms about it and bent on keeping it private? If it isn't a big deal then just show the real thing. Frankly, I don't care if he is or not. I do care if he is not and our President. Maybe that's why the secrecy! Or maybe it’s just because our government has gotten so big and the bureaucrats so powerful that they believe they are above the rules that apply to the common, decent citizens of the United States and need no integrity to run this country.

I was born in Hawaii just a couple of years before Obama and have a copy of my birth certificate with the embossed Hawaiian seal, the doctor’s name, my parent’s names and the hospital. I use it to certify my identification in cases that call for it. My wife and I had to submit birth certificates of my sons so they could play little league baseball. I produced my birth certificate when I got my passport. What's the big deal? You mean to tell me that Barack Obama has never had to produce his birth certificate for any reason under any circumstance and is not in possession of it? Give me a break. Sounds like a sham to me. If it isn't then just, show the dam birth certificate and get on with it.

Posted by: hanocul6 | December 29, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

hanocul6,

WELL SAID! - fwiw, i'm really tired of the meaningless platitudes, angry outbursts, evasions, lame excuses, diversions, misdirections & outright KNOWING LIES that are constantly told by BHO & his "claque of worshipers" in the DIMocRATS party, the WH staff & in "the lamestream media".
(i now read "the washington COMpost" & "the ny SLIMES" for the same reason that i used to read PRAVDA, i.e., to see what fiction that "the enemy" was spewing out this week.)

at age 64YY, i never thought that i would live to see a POTUS that was LESS honest than Richard Nixon and/or MORE incompetent than Jimmy Carter. SADLY, i must tell you that BHO is WORSE than both combined.

01/20/2013 cannot come soon enough to suit me, as i believe that on that day we will, again, have an HONORABLE person in the WH!

just my opinion.

yours, TN46
coordinator, CCTPP

Posted by: texasnative46 | December 29, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Considering obama made a big to-do about how "transparent" his White House was going to be, it really stands out that he has kept so much of his background locked up. No, we've never seen the birth certificate, or his grades, or his Law Review writings -- you get the picture. He definitely comes across as someone with something to hide. A lot to hide, actually -- when he was hypocritically spouting off about how everything about him would be up and up, out in the open. We've seen how all that turned out -- pass bills to see what's in them, meetings behind closed doors, on and on.

Posted by: wmpowellfan | December 30, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Considering obama made a big to-do about how "transparent" his White House was going to be, it really stands out that he has kept so much of his background locked up. No, we've never seen the birth certificate, or his grades, or his Law Review writings -- you get the picture. He definitely comes across as someone with something to hide. A lot to hide, actually -- when he was hypocritically spouting off about how everything about him would be up and up, out in the open. We've seen how all that turned out -- pass bills to see what's in them, meetings behind closed doors, on and on.

Posted by: wmpowellfan | December 30, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Let's place a plaque on the hospital where he was born and interview that staff that worked there when he was born.

That should help quiet the turmoil.

Posted by: dumbreddown | January 2, 2011 9:29 AM | Report abuse

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