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Posted at 8:50 PM ET, 12/12/2010

The Dream Act affects more than Latinos

By Edward Schumacher-Matos

If Senate Republicans kill the Dream Act, I and many millions of Hispanics will take it as a slap in the face.

The legislation is so clearly in the country's interest that its rejection essentially means: You don't want me here. You fear that the country is being overrun by Latinos and that, almost as bad, we will vote Democrat.

Senate Republicans can obfuscate, but arguments about costs and laws are so flimsy when it comes to the House-approved Dream Act that if they block it this week, as seems likely, they will be joining with those nativists and haters who regularly tell me and other Latinos to leave America.

To some this may sound emotional, but what has been missing in the debates over immigration and the Dream Act has been just that: someone to make the emotion of 50 million Latinos heard on one of the few issues that we care about as a people.

Hispanics lack a national leader. We have no Martin Luther King Jr. or Jesse Jackson, no go-to person for politicians and the media, no one to rise above the dry statistics or small ball of advocacy groups to shape a message and voice what's in our hearts.

What that Latino heart says is that we, too, are American. We, too, believe in the American creed, the rule of law, the righteousness of the work ethic, the exceptionalism of American history and the justice of American democracy.

We, too, agree that the nation needs to enforce its borders and immigration laws and that there is a limit to how many immigrants any nation can accept without causing too much social and cultural disruption.

This country may be near that limit. If so, then we all need to work together to integrate and assimilate the immigrants here and adjust the system for how many more come in.

Nearly 11 million of the immigrants in America are here illegally. Most of the adults have been here for years, live in families and have contributed to U.S. vitality through the sweat on their brow and the pains in their back from working far more than 40 hours a week. As cheap, mobile labor, they are helping to resurrect the economy from its deep recession.

But putting aside for now what to do with the adults, let's focus on the children, who didn't choose to come. The Dream Act offers a path to citizenship for those who arrived before they were 16, get a high school degree and complete two years of college or join the military.

Perhaps a million might take advantage. They are badly needed to buck up our depleted military ranks and stressed taxpayer rolls. They can boost our global competitiveness. That is why the Pentagon and the Chamber of Commerce helped write the act.

If Republicans keep pushing to deport these young people -- our children -- then something deeper and uglier is behind their Orwellian logic that the country would be rewarding law-breakers or strapping our colleges. That something is that you don't want us here, with our tacos and salsa music, our family fiestas and telenovelas, even though we are assimilating rapidly, speaking English and pledging allegiance to the flag. I myself made all-state in football, volunteered for the Army and served in Vietnam.

I have written recently about how Latino immigrants are socially conservative and natural Republicans, how Latinos are united on immigration, and how the GOP is committing demographic suicide by driving away these voters.

Latinos are an estimated 16 percent of the population and 9 percent of U.S. voters. Why shouldn't something that we take personally be given consideration? The rest of the nation need not agree, and that's fine. But in a case where we and the country are so obviously being hurt, it seems an intentional insult.

It should not come to this.

By Edward Schumacher-Matos  | December 12, 2010; 8:50 PM ET
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Excuse me, you have no Martin Luther King? You dare compare yourself to a people whose forebearers were brought here as slaves? You who have invaded this country costing American taxpayers $113 Billion a year and rising.

No Dream Act. Birth certificates required to register for school. No birthright citizenship to children of illegals.

Do not tell us that importing poverty and encouraging more is good for this country. It simply makes no sense.

Posted by: vickie105 | December 12, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

"If Republicans keep pushing to deport these young people -- our children -- then something deeper and uglier is behind their Orwellian logic that the country would be rewarding law-breakers or strapping our colleges."

You mean the obvious - that people who disagree with you happen to believe in the laws of the land - that we ourselves don't have the luxury to chose what laws we will or will not obey? Perhaps most of us -regardless of any political bent - happen to believe that there is (or should be) no group above the law. Have you forgotten or perhaps just chosen to ignore that the laws regarding non citizens in Mexico are less tolerant than those in the US - that a US citizen could look forward to harsher treatment in Mexico than a Mexican citizen in the US? Forget your emotion; the majority of us wish to deal with fact. No amnesty in any way; enforce immigration law and border security.

Posted by: tnvret | December 12, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

let the slapping begin...

Posted by: honolulu1 | December 12, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

I think that this bill is fairly idealistic. Yes, I agree that the Latino community is a grounding force in the US economy. I agree that Latinos hold American values in their hearts. However, I don't think that this bill is a good representation of these American values. I don't see how this bill will prevent further illegal immigration. I am not a xenophobe or a nativist--both of my parents were immigrants. I just think that this bill might encourage more illegal immigrants to enter the US. It seems that most illegal immigrants come because they want to give their children a better life...this bill will just make America look more enticing. Also, who's to prevent the military from abusing this bill? If recruitment is so important and desperately needed, I don't see what would stop the military from accepting people who shouldn't qualify for the temporary residential status that the DREAM acts is proposing. I also don't think it's very "fair" that we are turning to Latinos to serve in the military as a "last reserve". I am not saying that Latinos are not capable or patriotic. I just don't understand why more American citizens can't defend our country. I think this bill is taking advantage of people who don't have access to American institutions. My point being: why should you want to be in a country that won't legally recognize you until you put your life on the life for it? Why is it that actual American citizens aren't willing to sacrifice for their country and must find a way to get others to do their "job"?
I guess it's probably that I just can't empathize with the plight many illegal immigrants face while living in the States, but I don't think the basic premise of this bill represents the values I've always thought the US represented.

Posted by: tangereenee | December 12, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

I came to the US 12 years ago as a foreign student paying the "out-of-state tuition. After 10 years of hard working, I got my green card through the employer's sponsorship in 2008. I work hard and pay US taxes every year.

Do you know how hard to keep a valid and legal status for all these years? Not easy at all.

I am a social liberal. I do not watch FOX NEWS. However, I oppose the Dream Amnesty Act. No reward for illegals. Let them go back to build a stronger Mexico.

Posted by: sun1 | December 12, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

apologies for Vickie. wow, what lack of history? I can't believe your comment. Go read some history. This is a good thing, great, in fact, I get it all the day, if I were in office, would have Yea. I am proud to say I feel this way.

Posted by: isometruman1 | December 12, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

It seems that immigration is merely one of a host of hot-button political issues these days, but it is stirring public passions from our borders well into the heartland, so it is perhaps fitting to review nation's historical experiences with this issue. When North and South America were opened to European colonization some five hundred years ago, the real Americans were the native inhabitants but they were quickly dispossessed and relegated to territorial reservations often far from their ancestral homelands. But even they had been emigrants, coming to the western Hemisphere from their origins in Asia. Everyone now living in the United States, is directly an immigrant, or is descended from ancestors who came here from somewhere else. In fact, all residents can claim the status of being a real American. The United States was created by successive waves of immigrants who primarily sought the grand opportunities which America offered. Whether one field political or religious oppression or merely sought greater economic opportunity, America was the beacon of hope that some around the world. This assimilation did not occur without painful tribulations and adjustments, but the real Americans of today now trace their origins to virtually every community, every religious and ethnic group, and every political persuasion in the world. Their unifying characteristic is their adherence to the rule of law and respect for others. In 1886 the people of France, in recognition of their friendships with the United States during the revolutionary war period, gave to the people of America one of its most recognizable symbols-the State of liberty. Subsequently emblazoned on it were the poetic words of Emma Lazarus, herself then a recent immigrant.

Posted by: cosmicrace | December 12, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Question: What about the MILLIONS of parents of these potential Dream Act applicants?

These parents ARE guilty of deliberately breaking our immigration laws. But if the Dream Act passes, these parents will likely be allowed to stay in the USA probably for the rest of their lives.

Obviously ICE won't be seeking to deport the parents of, say, a 4th grader Dream Act applicant. These MINORS depend on their parents for their livelihoods,so the parents will HAVE to remain in the USA to support the children.

This means that the Dream Act, if passed, will provide an immediate "stay of removal" for virtually ALL of the 12 to 30 million illegal immigrants who are currently living in our country.

Posted by: legal_immigration | December 12, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

I FULLY SUPPORT THE DREAM ACT.

I am not Hispanic. But I do believe in equality because "that's what America is about," so I've been told since birth... If we were going to kick everyone out who "shouldn't be here," then we should probably all be making our way toward the borders now. Get over yourselves, this is not "YOUR COUNTRY!"I know Hispanics that contribute far more to society than my next door neighbors, and you ask me which would I'd rather have standing next to me! And why does this anti-immigration crusade focus on Hispanics? Shall we go searching for the illegal Europeans? They're everywhere. No, this is legalized hate against Mexico. Mexico gives this country too much (please research the source of your country's goods). They go through SO much to get here to find a better life. At least they aren't stealing the land and killing our people to take over, like "our forefathers"did so long ago. They're working, and harder than most Americans.

Get out with this bigotry and racism! You all like to decry racism and discrimination! Stop screaming it and writing it on forms and freaking live it! I hate this mess! You don't own the ground you walk on or the food you eat and the people who prepared it for your selfish selves were probably Hispanic.

DREAM ACT ALL DAY. SÍ SE PUEDE! ( I speak Spanish. I embrace diversity; cowards shoot it down.)

Posted by: alack08 | December 12, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

If Senate Republicans kill the Dream Act, I and many millions of Hispanics will take it as a slap in the face
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Really? I'm half-Hispanic and I am against the DREAM Act. It's awfully presumptious of you to say you speak for me! Also, Sir, are you really so ignorant that you think all illegal aliens are of Hispanic descent? If you really think that, then you need to do your homework. In the past, ICE deported illegal aliens to 189 different countries. Or---are you saying that the so-called DREAM Act is only for Hispanic illegals?
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What that Latino heart says is that we, too, are American. We, too, believe in the American creed, the rule of law, the righteousness of the work ethic, the exceptionalism of American history and the justice of American democracy
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No, Sir, illegal alien Latinos believe no such thing. If they did, they wouldn't have broken into our country, committed ID theft, and drive without licenses---among other things. Instead, they would have applied to come here legally and patiently awaited their turn. You, Sir, insult everybody's intelligence with such blatantly false statements.

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As for these poor students being "punished" for what their parents did---spare me the drivel! Everyday there are American kids whose parents commit crimes and go to jail. To paraphrase that old saying "the sins of the parents fall on the child". I don't see you proposing that they receive any freebies because of what their parents did---or didn't do. Talk about a double standard!

No one is depriving these illegal alien children of a college education. They can go back to their native countries and go to college there, or return to their native country and apply to come here on a student visa.

Why is it that you want to give these illegal aliens something that's deprived of American citizen children? Our children come first, Sir. If you have American citizen children, then why do you put illegal aliens ahead of them?

Posted by: two4three2 | December 12, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Oh my, where to start?
So many flaws in your argument and logic.
I know, how's about I dissect your
ridiculous reference to "Orwellian" logic,
used as a strtagey against the poor Latino "Immigrants." You see, I too, am old enough to have lived.. to actually see "ORWELLIAN" News-speak being used to manipulate and influence, Americans.Listen ...Us old school folks, know the difference between an "Illegal Alien," and an "Immigrant," as well as the meaning of right and wrong, for that matter. Can YOU.. say "Double speak,"or "1984?" Not buyin your schtick,my friend....

Winston Smith - (NOT!)

Posted by: TEDMOSBY33333 | December 12, 2010 11:37 PM | Report abuse

There are absolutely no enforcement measures included in this Dream Act, so we know that this can only encourage more people to come here illegally, waiting for "their" amnesty/legalization.

US Citizens were promised enforcement that would end illegal immigration back in 1986. The presence of substantial numbers of people illegally present is proof positive that the promised enforcement never took place, and that legalization programs only encourage more illegal immigration.

We need the US workplace cleared of illegal workers by making E-Verify mandatory to check all jobs in the US, currently held, and any future hires. Only when the 8 million plus illegal workers have vacated their positions can we believe any promises from Washington.

No Dream Act. No legalization. Mandatory E-Verify!

Posted by: merbc | December 12, 2010 11:39 PM | Report abuse

IMMIGRATION AND "REAL" AMERICANS

It seems that immigration is merely one of a host of hot-button political issues these days, but it is stirring public passions from our borders well into the heartland, so it is perhaps fitting to review nation's historical experiences with this issue. When North and South America were opened to European colonization some five hundred years ago, the real Americans were the native inhabitants but they were quickly dispossessed and relegated to territorial reservations often far from their ancestral homelands. But even they had been emigrants, coming to the western Hemisphere from their origins in Asia. Everyone now living in the United States, is directly an immigrant, or is descended from ancestors who came here from somewhere else. In fact, all residents can claim the status of being a real American. The United States was created by successive waves of immigrants who primarily sought the grand opportunities which America offered. Whether one field political or religious oppression or merely sought greater economic opportunity, America was the beacon of hope that some around the world. This assimilation did not occur without painful tribulations and adjustments, but the real Americans of today now trace their origins to virtually every community, every religious and ethnic group, and every political persuasion in the world. Their unifying characteristic is their adherence to the rule of law and respect for others. In 1886 the people of France, in recognition of their friendships with the United States during the revolutionary war period, gave to the people of America one of its most recognizable symbols-the State of liberty. Subsequently emblazoned on it were the poetic words of Emma Lazarus, herself then a recent immigrant.

Posted by: cosmicrace | December 12, 2010 11:40 PM | Report abuse

How i see it and in my opinion is this...reality is that wether people like it or not most ilegal imigrants are here yes but, lets say they were to deport them...just a thought if they did i think that that the u.s would would stay empty no solders to fight tere battle, none to defend there own country ....now a days one of the biggest issue American face is identity fraud but, the reason behind all this is that many people have no acces to using there real name.so anyone that they do know is going to let them use there identity and even if they can`t do that eventually they buy of the street .its going to keep happening until they do something ....How I perceive it is that the only reason they even consider the Dream act is because we are in such recesion and in such debt that we have no other options other than approving some type of law to gaing money to up the economy.I think they should definitely pass this law ..,how many of us don`t` have sick elders or family member with a dissease no cure well why can`t we give these kids a chance .Who knows if one of them will find the cure to alzheimers or hiv, or cancer .And whats so wrong about them serving the country were they lived there whole life ...I quetions why are they even questioning wether to pass this or not.I don`t think most of them decided to come here more likely they were babys couldn`t speak for themselve so what are they being punished for being good kids ?

Posted by: northg14 | December 12, 2010 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Deportation rebuilds broken families.. .and broken nations.

Deportation. Nothing less.

Posted by: never2 | December 12, 2010 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Instead of passing the Dream Act congress should declare that you have to be either an American citizen or a legal immigrant to receive a public education in this country. At the same time, they should pass a bill that requires a tamper proof national ID bill that everyone will have to produce to obtain employment, open a bank account, and so forth. We as a nation will save billions of dollars educating people who simply do not belong here and we as a nation will ensure in times of economic distress that only people eligible to work in this country obtain employment. Congress should act in the interests of hard working Americans and I have put forth some positive suggestions but sadly congress never acts in the interest of hard working Americans. Sad.

Posted by: jeffreed | December 12, 2010 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Schumacher is a joke. Who cares what he thinks, considering that he was also an illegal immigrant. It takes a lot of chutzpah for a Colombian, who came here illegally, to dictate to the American people what they should do. And yes, Schumacher deserves a slap on the face for violating our laws. I know he is now a naturalized citizen, but regardless, he and his family cut in front of the line, and broke the law. And, now he has the nerve to suggest that the rest of the illegal immigrants deserve the same kind of amnesty he received.

Schumacher should use his energy to try to clean up the corrupt Colombian government, instead of dictating to the American people what they should do.

Posted by: fridaolay | December 12, 2010 11:59 PM | Report abuse

northg14 writes:
....now a days one of the biggest issue American face is identity fraud but, the reason behind all this is that many people have no acces to using there real name.so anyone that they do know is going to let them use there identity and even if they can`t do that eventually they buy of the street .its going to keep happening until they do something
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I had to read your inane comment more than once because I couldn't believe that you are defending identity theft!

Put your money where your mouth is. Go to the nearest location to you where illegal aliens hang out looking for day labor. Before going, print up copies of your SS card. When you get to the day labor site, hand them out to every illegal alien you find and tell them that they are free to use your SSN to get work. After you do this, let us know how it all works out for you when the IRS comes after you for back taxes on all those jobs you were supposedly doing!

Posted by: two4three2 | December 13, 2010 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Dream Act is a good start.

Working with Immigration to day is a bloody nightmare
even if you have lots of money.

Which is about $3000 to INS
and $2000 to the Immigration Atorney.

Republican are all about demeaning the poor.
and
have been doing everything in their power to kill the middle class
and
reintroduce Slavery.

Sooner or later they will destroy Social Security

Posted by: monstermash | December 13, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Dream Act is a good start.

Working with Immigration to day is a bloody nightmare
even if you have lots of money.

Which is about $3000 to INS
and $2000 to the Immigration Atorney.

Republican are all about demeaning the poor.
and
have been doing everything in their power to kill the middle class
and
reintroduce Slavery.

Sooner or later they will destroy Social Security

Posted by: monstermash | December 13, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

American children often suffer for the mistakes of their citizen parents. Children of illegals should be no different.

Posted by: moebius22 | December 13, 2010 12:13 AM | Report abuse

alack08 writes:
I am not Hispanic. But I do believe in equality because "that's what America is about," so I've been told since birth... If we were going to kick everyone out who "shouldn't be here," then we should probably all be making our way toward the borders now. Get over yourselves, this is not "YOUR COUNTRY!"
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Really? We should all be making our way toward the borders? You realize that includes American Indians since their ancestors crossed a land bridge from Asia to get here. This IS my country! How dare you suggest otherwise? My ancestors came here LEGALLY---except the ones who were forcibly brought here on slave ships and the ones who are American Indians who came before there was a USA.
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shall we go searching for the illegal Europeans? They're everywhere
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Have you been living under a rock? ICE has---and will continue to deport---illegal Europeans.
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No, this is legalized hate against Mexico. Mexico gives this country too much (please research the source of your country's goods). They go through SO much to get here to find a better life. At least they aren't stealing the land and killing our people to take over, like "our forefathers"did so long ago. They're working, and harder than most Americans.
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Sorry---but sneaking across our borders is NOT "going through so much". It's a blatant violation of our immigration laws. "Legalized hate"? What the heck are you talking about? Or is this an attempt to pull the race card? The US is the most welcoming and tolerant country in the world. We ask that those who want to live here apply in accordance with our immigration laws. No exceptions!
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BTW, the only hateful remarks I see here are yours.

Posted by: two4three2 | December 13, 2010 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Those who are "Natural Republicans" will understand. And in fact there are plenty of Hispanics who are not in favor of illegal immigrants getting any kind of breaks. Not a majority, I'll grant.

By the way, not all that many DailyKos democrats are in favor of the DREAM act. Any time a diary promoting it shows up there, it gets a few recommends by the same people and everybody else studiously avoids saying what they really think about it by not showing up at all.

Posted by: billmosby1 | December 13, 2010 12:16 AM | Report abuse

All the hateful anti-DREAM act comments is just that hate-filled based on warped sense of self-righteousness and a twisted version of morality.

What country and what kind of a person believes is it moral to punish someone for the actions of another? No religious, political, nation in the world (except Israel) believes in collective punishment. These blessed immigrants children didn't wake up and say, and say lets break America's civil laws (EMPHASIS ON CIVIL NOT CRIMINAL, i.e. getting a ticket).

For the opponents I have a question: How many of the rest of us go around calling you illegals when you break other form of civilian laws such as when being guilty of speeding? Who hasn't done it? You pay fine and move on; but these kids haven't even sped but are ready to pay the fine? Why stop them?

Some hate-mongering NATIVISTS argue "this is a nation of laws" therefore lets not have a heart and deport 'em all; forgetting laws are not-living; and are always added, deleted, and are changed.

I'm a Muslim, but to see the majority of these cold-hearted folks proclaim themselves to be followers of Jesus in this spirit of Christmas and ask for punishing of innocent children who did not break any laws as "Christian" is beyond me. Is this what your savior would do and call for? Literalism over humanism? To put man-made "Roman" laws which can always be changed above the dignity and preciousness of a human soul?

I just wish all those who haven't put themselves in the shoes of these persevering kids to stop and put yourself in that situation. Imagine you being a child grown up in America finding out when you're 18 you're life stops because you can't drive, go to college, and now must toil in the shadow eking out a living of exploitation. Instantly relegated to a life of 2nd class underground citizenry without the luxury of being a citizen even though you worked hard in school, maybe excelled in sports, and have a unique American upbringing with a righteous character. Now the nativists are clamoring to make you the scapegoat for the faltering economy of "competition" and "taking jobs."

Does it sound fair or just to you? If so, your moral compass if off and when life puts you in the receiving end of injustice just remember where you stood on this most basic issue of fairness. What goes around will indeed come around.

But luckily most Americans aren't cold-hearted. They believe that if you're not guilty of anything you shouldn't be punished. That is why a poll done just 2 days ago by Gallup shows Americans SUPPORT THE DREAM ACT by a 54-42 MAJORITY and that's without the ominous restrictions of no family sponsorship, no financial aid, and 13 year wait times of citizenship now amended to the bill.

If you are a DREAMer reading this, may the Almighty grant you perseverence, I can not possibly imagine you're hardship. But as the holy Koran says, "With difficulty comes ease, verily difficulty is followed by ease." I pray the ease comes sooner than you expect.

Posted by: rednova | December 13, 2010 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Well looks like people here dont know the meaning of the Constitution of the United States. and i quote "for the people, and by the people. I am hispanic born and raised in NY and with puertoriken parents. Come on people. The majority of the hispanics in this country are the ones that give life to industries, schools. The smartest students come from hispanics. trust me I am one of them. My children were born in PR and because of that they can not cpme to this country. What people in the United States dont read there history where it says the Puerto Rico belongs to the US since 1898. And I am expressing my opinion because I, myself have been treated with disrespect because I am hispanic. My skin color or my race does not make me a bad person, because 2 or 3 people that behave in such bad ways , all of us are going to pay the price. Our children, our family I dont think so. Inclusive our soldiers in PR serve the UNited States Navy, Army, Marines, People read your history. The immigrants that are here in the US are just looking for what I am looking and gaining, My dream of being an American Citizen.

Posted by: mcolon61 | December 13, 2010 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Schumacher, first rule of journalism--don't generalize. DO NOT SPEAK FOR ALL HISPANICS. NOT ALL HISPANICS AGREE WITH YOU. MANY HISPANICS BELIEVE IN THE RULE OF LAW AND DO NOT APPROVE OF LATINOS WHO CAME HERE ILLEGALLY. To assume that all Hispanics agree with you, is to assume that all Hispanics condone violating our federal laws and think it is OK to be a criminal.

Posted by: fridaolay | December 13, 2010 12:25 AM | Report abuse

To Vickie105, I am hispanic you think becasue I came to this country, I am costing the government money. Well, People read your history. I have been subject to being treated with disrespect just because I look hispanic. Yes My mother is from PR my dad Italian, Born and raised in NY. All we hispanics look for is for what the Constitution states. freedom. Country of opportunities. And Ill dream of becoming An American Citizen. And I wander why We americans dont remember when The south of the country took the land away from the mexicans, Read history and learn.

Posted by: mcolon61 | December 13, 2010 12:26 AM | Report abuse

i live in a rural town during the last 3 years, the number of arrests of latinos for assaults seems to have increased. why?

clean up your act. i am sorry your parents - or you - had to come to the usa illegally. you won't do much for me if i went to your country. you won't even allow me to press 2 for english.

Posted by: rick9112001 | December 13, 2010 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Right and wrong issue. Breaking/changing
the rules, or having two diffrent sets of rules, for different individuals/people when it's convenient, is universal unacceptable.Basic condition.. to maintain order throughout the history of Mankind. Cannot be refuted.

Many of you, speak with two tongues.You know who you are.

Posted by: TEDMOSBY33333 | December 13, 2010 12:29 AM | Report abuse

We do not condone violation of the federal laws , but now that they are already here, what we have to do is help the people that are already here.

Posted by: mcolon61 | December 13, 2010 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Many of the hispanics living in the United States are police officers, nurses, doctors, professionals, What are you people thinking?

Posted by: mcolon61 | December 13, 2010 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Sorry if i disappoint you by saying so Mr.Schumacher-Matos, but I can't say that I agree with all that you write. As you can tell by my user ID, I too am Hispanic. However, while I do support the dream act I don't think that charging it with emotion is the most effective way of bringing it into the publics favor. As you may very well agree; the most noticeable characteristic that separates "dreamers" from the rest of the immigrant community is the way they think like Americans. In my opinion, this is the Achilles heal of the whole campaign. I admire your patriotism and appreciate your enthusiasm on the subject;however your writing with the presumption that the US Government cares about what the Hispanic community thinks. The fact of the matter is, the supporters of the dream act are asking for much more than simple civil rights. What we are asking for is more like a pardon based on age, education and circumstance. Not only are we asking,but we are doing so aggressively and without promise of benefiting anyone but the dreamers.
I hate to say it, but dreamers have no right to rights. It's clear that the general American public does not see the benefit these children could potentially bring to the table. This is where we fail. I personally do not support the college option in the proposed bill. This option can be considered selfish. It is also an area, if passed into law, that could be detrimental to the success of legal residents and citizens. Doubt and fear are the only clear tools opponents of the dream act have. Simple assimilation is not the way into the hearts of the American public, dedication is. Seek not what THIS country could do for you, but what you could do for it. The founders of the United States did not have a choice of whether or not they would go to war or college. The only options they had were liberty or death. No one disputes the patriotism of the military option; its intent is clear and to the point. Acceptance is gained by service rather than given by an invalid claim to civil discrimination. Besides, under the GI bill those that want to can go to college.

Posted by: morales86 | December 13, 2010 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Rewarding bad behavior is what
sort of reinforcement, again? Refresh me,
I forgotten how that corrects/solves the
problem? Perhaps, we can make them
all go stand in the corner for awhile
and have a time out? Yeah, that'll work,
that always works....

Posted by: TEDMOSBY33333 | December 13, 2010 12:40 AM | Report abuse

Whooops!! You let is slip when you say that the Dream Act is "one of the few issues that we care about as a people." As a people? Apparently you consider Latinos as a separate "people."

That is your inadvertent characterization -- not mine. You betrayed yourself.

Posted by: kevin9 | December 13, 2010 12:49 AM | Report abuse

Very simple:

GTFO! All 11 million. Take your anchor babies with you too!

I-L-L-E-G-A-L

'nuff said.


Posted by: MoveOn | December 13, 2010 12:53 AM | Report abuse

Edward Schumacher-Matos, I disagree with you. The majority of Latinos are not assimilating into the United States by learning to speak English. The U.S., State, and city governments has pandered to Spanish speakers from over 20 South American, Central American, Mexico, Dominican Repubic, and Cuba by printing or having recordings in Spanish. Everywhere I go in the Washington, D.C. area, I see or hear Spanish being spoken. Something is wrong with this picture. I no longer feel, I am in the USA. I feel like I'm living in El Salvador.

All of this is fine except for the fact these students are foreign citizens. We have a immigration­n policy, what good is a policy if it is not obeyed. If these kids' parents didn't bum rush the border and stayed home there would be no problem.

So what if hundreds of thousands of Americans take advantage of the welfare system, it's their country and the system was setup for them, US citizens, not for foreigners and foreigners who come here and have children.

Foreigners should not worry about US senior citizens, they should be worried about the economy back in their own country.


I feel that it is wrong for Latinos/Hispanics "NOT" to be against illegal immigration, cracking down on illegal aliens, and enforcing our immigration laws. If these were millions of blacks and whites coming from the Caribbean, Africa, and Europe illegally, the majority of Hispanics would be for enforcing immigration laws. I am a black citizen with over 400 years of ancestry back to slavery in Bennettsville, South Carolina. If these were millions of black Africans or black Caribbeans who broke U.S. laws by crossing our porous borders, I would want their behinds deported and U.S. immigration laws enforced. I am a citizen of the United States of America, not some foreign country on the continent of Africa or in the Caribbean.


Posted by: Ward4DC | December 13, 2010 12:58 AM | Report abuse

Whoa...I didn't realize how many individuals were against this act. I understand that there should be some type of enforced and effective regulation of our borders - no argument there. However, as someone who works in education it really breaks me when I have a student with a 3.9 GPA, excellent SAT scores, and a great work ethic who can't pay for an education at UCLA. I really don't care about the people that could come here because of this act to be honest - let's stop people from crossing our borders for all I care. What I really want is for students who have practically lived their whole lives in this country (and are already here)to get help. Remember, students have to complete two years of college or serve in the military - that means that Joe Blow down the street who isn't doing anything with this life can't benefit from the Dream Act. All of the students that would qualify are just as American as you and I - they know America's history, customs, and values. All that's missing is a stupid piece of paper stating they are citizens...
I'm sick of all this negativity...I want to help a very deserving group of kids. And by the way, it's not just Hispanics/Latinos, I know a student with a 4.0 GPA who wants to be a surgeon one day, sadly this student will find it difficult to study here because she is not legal - she's from Sri Lanka and has been here since she was 3 years old. That's just wrong...we need to help these kids.

Posted by: lap87 | December 13, 2010 1:08 AM | Report abuse

Some people simply aren't smart. Before you take time to type an argument regardless of what side you're on, know what you're talking about. For example, legal_immigration, your post is irrelevant because a 4th grader cannot be a DREAMer or whatever you want to call them. They have to graduate HS. Therefore their parents are not important and they are of adult age. So their parents cannot be saved through this anyways.

You'll get 'em next time.

Posted by: tfmgeneral | December 13, 2010 1:12 AM | Report abuse

mcolon61, Boricua, you need a history lesson. Hispanic or Latino is not a race, it's a culture. There are many Hispanics including Puerto Ricans that's of the black race. Celia Cruz was Cubana, but her race was black. Yes, Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens at birth on the island because P.R. has been a possession of the U.S. since 1898 and a Commonwealth since 1952. Let's talk about racism within the Hispanic community and how black or Afro Hispanics are discriminated against based on their Negro features and hair texture. On the island of Puerto Rico, there's racism with it comes to skin color. I suggest to you, please read the book entitled " Down These Mean Streets" by Piri Thomas. Piri Thomas was a black New Yorican born to Puerto Rican parents in 1928 New York City. He grew up during the depression of the 1930's in Spanish Harlem, experiencing discrimination as a dark-skinned PUerto Rican.

Posted by: Ward4DC | December 13, 2010 1:14 AM | Report abuse

What a bunch of greedy folks. I'm American and it doesn't bother me to have a few extra working hands. One word for all who oppose it f&@k!$8. Can't belief how selfish pigs some of us are.

Posted by: Arome757 | December 13, 2010 1:22 AM | Report abuse


mcolon61, I can assure you, as a black United States citizen, if I crossed the border illegally into Mexico or El Salvador with my children illegally, these countries wouldn't allow my children to be taught in English or to get an education in El Salvador or Mexico. Why should I support the Dream Act benefiting most illegal aliens from Mexico, El Salvador, and other Central American countries? In a study taken in 2006 at Duke University and UNC at Chapel Hill, Mexicans had racist attitudes of blacks before coming to the USA and moving to Durham, North Carolina. As a black man/USA citizen, I have experienced racism from white, mulatto, and mestizo Hispanics. Earlier in the this year, I got into a confrontation with my Salvadoran neighbors for making too much noise and living like animals in my former black middle class DC neighborhood. In a heated argument, the first thing I was called in English by on of the Salvadorans was the N word. I didn't make any racial comments to them in my argument with them, but I was called a the N word. I am sorry, I don't like most Salvadorans and I don't have anything in common with them or Mexicans. I do share an ancestry with most Ricans, Dominicans, and Afro Cubans back to Africa. I have many Puerto Rican, Dominican, and Afro Cuban friends, but they know my feelings towards Salvadorans, the Dream Act, and illegal immigration. I am hopeful, the U.S. Senate will not pass the Dream Act legislation.

I forgot to mention, dangerous Salvadroan gangs like MS-13 Mara Salvatrucha have invaded my upper Northwest D.C. neighborhood.

Posted by: Ward4DC | December 13, 2010 1:40 AM | Report abuse

To Arome757 who spewed:
What a bunch of greedy folks. I'm American and it doesn't bother me to have a few extra working hands. One word for all who oppose it f&@k!$8. Can't belief how selfish pigs some of us are
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And also to the following posters ---cosmicrace, alack08, northg14, monstermash, rednova, mcolon61, lap87, tfmgeneral ---

Let's say you have a family to support and you are in debt. In addition, you don't have very much income and find that it is a struggle to feed, clothe and shelter your children.

With this scenario in mind, along comes another family who tells you that you should give your money to their kids because their kids are hungry. What do you do? Do you do--- A) Give the other family all your money, then tell your kids, "sorry there is no food for you because I gave all our money to that family." Or do you do --- B) Tell the other family that you are sorry they don't have money but your family is struggling and they come first. Which would you do?

If you did "A"---I would report you to CPS in a heartbeat.

Our country is in dire economic straits. Many people are out of work and can't take care of their own familes. American citizens are a family. We take care of our family first. There is no "hate" "racism" "nativism" "xenophobia" in that. Charity starts at home.

When we are flush with cash, then one can help others. And when we are flush with cash, it is not unreasonable to expect those who want a piece of the American Dream to abide by our immigration laws.

If all of you are so flush with cash, then sponsor one of these "DREAMers". Help them get a student visa, then pay for their tuition, books, room and board.

Our kids come first---get it? For those of you like Arome757 who put illegal aliens ahead of American citizens, it is YOU who are the "selfish pigs".

Posted by: two4three2 | December 13, 2010 1:40 AM | Report abuse

You have to wonder if the US should be stealing all that talent from the developing countries which desperately need it.

Posted by: wonderingstevie | December 13, 2010 1:45 AM | Report abuse

wonderingstevie, I agree. If these students are so talented and smart, they should take their talents back to their native countries and help to civilize and build them.

Posted by: Ward4DC | December 13, 2010 1:49 AM | Report abuse

"If Republicans keep pushing to deport these young people -- our children -- then something deeper and uglier is behind their Orwellian logic that the country would be rewarding law-breakers or strapping our colleges."

YOUR children? You are here legally, I presume. You did not drag your children across a dangerous land border. Others did, and they are the ones who are of concern. I have no problem with giving those legitimately brought in as children a path to citizenship if (1) the parents are no longer living illegally in the U.S., (2) the level of proof required is sufficient, and (3) false claims result in immediate deportation. The statute, as drafted, fails on all counts and should rightly be rejected.

Posted by: pjm1 | December 13, 2010 1:49 AM | Report abuse

Why are comments being removed?

Posted by: Ward4DC | December 13, 2010 2:04 AM | Report abuse

I actually think the Dream Act is too broad and may become unconstitutional, because it would not treat every illegal immigrant of the same age equally. The problem with the Dream Act is that is based on meritocracy, and that concept may be against our democratic principles of treating all people equally, under the law. Under the Dream Act you are given two choices. You either attend college or join the military. But what about those who are neither capable of attending college or joining the military? For example, a person who was brought to this country illegally at a young age, but has both mental and physical disabilities. Under the Dream Act that person would be automatically disqualified because he/she would not be able to attend college or be able to pass the military physical test. Would that be considered an unfair form of discrimination, since certain individuals, through no fault of their own, would be unable to meet the Dream Act requirements? If Congress were to pass such a bill, I am sure, it would eventually be challenged, and would have to be reviewed by the Supreme Court. Thus, the Dream Act bill in its current form is just a nasty can of worms. IT SHOULD NOT PASS.

Posted by: fridaolay | December 13, 2010 2:22 AM | Report abuse

"wonderingstevie, I agree. If these students are so talented and smart, they should take their talents back to their native countries and help to civilize and build them." ~warddc.

And we should send you back to whence your ancestors illegally immigrated from and stole this continent from Native Americans put them on reservations; so you can help uncivilize whatever country was so unfortunate to where you trace your ancestry from.

Posted by: rednova | December 13, 2010 2:27 AM | Report abuse

rednova---Your most recent comment was despicable. Funny how you won't answer my pointed questions directed at you and other bleeding heart posters. I'm guessing you won't answer because you have no legitimate arguments. That's why you resort to name-calling.
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Ward4DC---Good to see you here. I like your responses to mcolon61---very well put!

Posted by: two4three2 | December 13, 2010 2:34 AM | Report abuse

So what you're saying if you don't let us keep breaking the law, then you're going to be really, really angry? Get it through your head, no one hates your kids. We hate the fact that you're teaching your kids that it's alright to break the law as long as you think you have a good reason.

Posted by: Matt_in_Chicago | December 13, 2010 2:38 AM | Report abuse

rednova, sorry idiot, my ancestor didn't immigrate to this country 400 years ago. They were brought here as slaves. Sorry for you weak a@@ argument.

Posted by: Ward4DC | December 13, 2010 2:41 AM | Report abuse

Thanks two4three2. I am so sick of supporters of illegal aliens and their anchor babies and illegal children. My former middle class black Washington, D.C. neighborhood is a Salvadoran barrio. Are there any citizens of El Salvador left back in that country? It seems, the majority of Salvadorans are in the United States and living mostly in the Los Angeles and Washington D.C. areas. Salvadorans and others, please go back to your countries and trash them. We are not getting El Salvador's educated or middle class nationals. We are getting their poorest uneducated citizens and most of these people live in large numbers in apartment buildings and houses by living like pigs. I see it everyday here in my middle class black neighborhood.

Posted by: Ward4DC | December 13, 2010 2:47 AM | Report abuse

Correction:

rednova, sorry idiot, my ancestor's didn't immigrate to this country 400 years ago. They were brought here as slaves. Sorry for your weak a@@ argument.

Posted by: Ward4DC | December 13, 2010 2:51 AM | Report abuse

I own a computer company and at the end of the day what matters to me is a tech that knows what he is doing. The reality is that we Americans are afraid immigrants will take our jobs because they are smarter and more talented than some of us. In my perspective I do not care about your nationality as long as he/she proves to be talented whether it's an American, African-American, Latino; I don't care. The point is that we have to employ the hard workers regardless of their nationalities.

Posted by: Arome757 | December 13, 2010 2:53 AM | Report abuse

You are right that children themselves didn't make the decision to enter the United States illegally. That was a choice made by their parents, who bear the ultimate responsibility of explaining to their children why they can't get permanent legal status.

We already tried integrating illegal aliens into the society in 1986, and the number increased from 3m to more than 12m in just under 25 years. Amnesty (whether for adults or children) rewards lawbreakers and creates a powerful incentive for others to try the same. That, in turn, means even more children risk facing the tough choice of having to return to a country they know little about.

The only fair option is to be firm on our laws and policies, and to learn from our mistakes.

Posted by: post_reader1 | December 13, 2010 3:03 AM | Report abuse

well you and your millions of illegals get ready to be bi##h slapped back to mexico.we are fed up with your border jumping and demands.go gop.send all illegals back!!

Posted by: dagner49 | December 13, 2010 3:07 AM | Report abuse

@MColon61, nothing is so complicating to the Puerto Ricans in their effort to adjust to American life as the problem of color. They represent the first group ever to come to the United States in large numbers with a tradition of widespread intermingling and intermarriage of people of different color. Both in the population on the island and the mainland, racial characteriestics of the Puerto Ricans range from completely Caucasoid to completely Negroid. Boricua, read this article about racism in Puerto Rico.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/908369/racism_in_puerto_rico_latin_america.html

Posted by: Ward4DC | December 13, 2010 3:12 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Schumacher-Matos has summarized the feelings of many Latinos. The Dream Act defies many of the arguments against illegal immigration.

This bill deals with kids who have fought against many odds and were able to achieve academic excellence. The Dream Act is about offering these fine young men and women the opportunity to pay us back. And, yet we want them deported. Even though they did not contribute to their illegal status, we still want to punish them.

The Republican party will lose tremendously if they decide to ignore these kids. They ought to come with better and stronger arguments against the Dream Act if they want to look like they care. "Being the party of the no" is not going to save them from losing the support from the Latinos. I can't speak on behalf of any other minority. But, I know that the Dream Act is not only a Latino issue.

Posted by: Carrick319 | December 13, 2010 3:19 AM | Report abuse

I hope Congress realizes that the Dream Act bill may open up a loophole for illegal immigrants to gain amnesty under another bill--The Disability Act bill. Anyone who is neither mentally capable of attending college or physically able to join the service may claim that he/she is being discriminated and is being treated unfairly because he/she is a disabled person. We should be careful what we wish for. Instead of getting the best and the brightest under the Dream Act bill, we might be handing out citizenship to thousands of illegal immingrants who might qualify because they have the lowest IQ and they are mentally or physically disabled. Just leave it to a brilliant lawyer, and he/she may make a good argument in their favor.

Posted by: fridaolay | December 13, 2010 3:30 AM | Report abuse

Mr Schumacher-Matos,

I find it interesting that you include nativists in your criticism of those who oppose the DREAM Act. You may not realise it, but the idea of 'nativism' grew from Native Americans who rebelled against the settlers (white and Hispanic) who encroached on their way of life.

We all know the story of how the American government brutalised Native peoples, breaking treaties and, ultimately, forcing many Natives (my ancestors included) to leave their homeland in the Southeastern US to (what the Americans thought was) the barren wasteland of Oklahoma. To this day, there are reservations (predominantly in the West) where Native peoples struggle to even dream about a better life...

However, are you also aware of Nativism as a response to Hispanic peoples doing much the same thing in the Southwest? The early Spanish settlers (accompanied by indigenous Mexicans) attempted to expand New Spain into present-day New Mexico, Arizona and California. Like the Americans (and British before them) in the East, the Spanish tried to subdue Native peoples by force. Also like the Americans, Hispanics tried to impose their cultural values on Native peoples, forcing them to assimilate.

I would suggest you look more closely at the Pueblo Revolt of 1680, for example. When the Pueblo (along with Apachean tribes) grew tired of Spanish attempts to assimilate them (e.g. forcing them to deny their cultural heritage and adapt Roman Catholicism), they fought back. After suffering a 9-day seige of Santa Fe, the Spanish/Mexicans managed to escape and return to Mexico. (I'd strongly recommend you read James Wilson's 'The Earth Shall Weep: A History of Native America').

Finally, I should note that one of the most 'nativist' and 'hater' countries in the world is Mexico itself. Are you aware that the Mexican government is building a wall to keep out immigrants from Central America who also seek a better life for themselves and their families? Are you aware that Amnesty International has declared Mexico an area of concern because of its treatment of illegal aliens? Are you also aware that people entering Mexico illegally are actually committing a felony -- the very policy that Hispanic groups condemned as 'racist' when the House proposed a similar policy in 2006/7?

Nativism is, at its heart, about respecting local cultures and traditions. Thanks to forced assimilation (by a people who came from outside), I myself have lost much of the heritage of my ancestors. My people didn't choose to emigrate into another society. Rather, another society chose to immigrate into theirs. I don't want to see history repeat itself, and this is the basis of my opposition to your point of view.

Posted by: post_reader1 | December 13, 2010 3:42 AM | Report abuse

Blah, blah, blah, Carrick. We all know you were brought here illegally by your mother who deliberately thumbed her nose at our immigration laws. We also know that you and your family gamed the system by taking advantage of one of the stealth amnesties. We all know that you managed to go to state schools in MD as an illegal. We also know that you used an ill-gotten ITIN to take a job from an American citizen and/or legal immigrant. So...it's no surprise that you are gung-ho for the DREAM Act (more of a Nightmare Act).

No one was stopping you---or any other illegal in the same position---from going back to your country of birth and righting the wrong that was done to you. You could have applied to come here legally as a foreign student. Yet you didn't do that.

As for the republican party "lose[ing] tremendously" ---erm...this past November it was a bloodbath for the democrats. If they keep trying to shove unpopular and unwanted legislation down our throats, the bloodbath will continue come 2012.

As for republicans being the party of "no"---somebody has to say it. No to the DREAM Act, No to amnesty, etc. Even you have to have noticed that the US is broke. That means we can't afford to give amnesty to your fellow "DREAMers" --- not when there are American citizens who can't afford college. Every college seat taken by an illegal alien, every scholarship, every in-state student seat---is one less seat for an American citizen.

Posted by: two4three2 | December 13, 2010 3:50 AM | Report abuse

The Republican Party and Democratic Party can also embrace the Dream Act at their own risk. Doing so will roil millions of voters, and even if the long-term prospects of elections say that pandering to Latinos is good politics, the short-term reality of taking a beating for the next one or two election cycles means that few people want to touch this one.

What I don't understand is why Latinos aren't standing up screaming and shouting about how racist this law really is. The law essentially says to young Latinos that they can earn legal status by fighting in America's wars. Nobody else in America has to fight in the military to earn citizenship, and no other immigrant class is required to perform military service. Yes, military service is a patriotic duty, but pressing young 18-year-olds into the military by threatening them with deportation if they don't join up seems very sketchy to me. From a conservative standpoint, I have to question the mentality behind this law.

Blacks during Vietnam protested that war mightily because blacks were much more likely to be drafted, much more likely to be put on the front lines, and much more likely to die. I have to wonder if Latinos aren't selling away their youth to the grist of war by lining up behind this Dream Act. What happens when the U.S. leaps into the next big war, or when Afghanistan finally turns into a huge death trap, and the Latino children begin returning home in droves, maimed and dead? Will it still be worth the chance at a green card?

Posted by: blert | December 13, 2010 3:53 AM | Report abuse

The Republican Party and Democratic Party can also embrace the Dream Act at their own risk. Doing so will roil millions of voters, and even if the long-term prospects of elections say that pandering to Latinos is good politics, the short-term reality of taking a beating for the next one or two election cycles means that few people want to touch this one.

What I don't understand is why Latinos aren't standing up screaming and shouting about how racist this law really is. The law essentially says to young Latinos that they can earn legal status by fighting in America's wars. Nobody else in America has to fight in the military to earn citizenship, and no other immigrant class is required to perform military service. Yes, military service is a patriotic duty, but pressing young 18-year-olds into the military by threatening them with deportation if they don't join up seems very sketchy to me. From a conservative standpoint, I have to question the mentality behind this law.

Blacks during Vietnam protested that war mightily because blacks were much more likely to be drafted, much more likely to be put on the front lines, and much more likely to die. I have to wonder if Latinos aren't selling away their youth to the grist of war by lining up behind this Dream Act. What happens when the U.S. leaps into the next big war, or when Afghanistan finally turns into a huge death trap, and the Latino children begin returning home in droves, maimed and dead? Will it still be worth the chance at a green card?

Posted by: blert | December 13, 2010 3:54 AM | Report abuse

Advise to my Latino brothers:VOTE DEMOCRATS!

Posted by: cjwollee | December 13, 2010 4:40 AM | Report abuse

Advise to my Latino brothers:VOTE DEMOCRATS!

Posted by: cjwollee | December 13, 2010 4:42 AM | Report abuse

"If Senate Republicans kill the Dream Act, I and many millions of Hispanics will take it as a slap in the face."

Maybe if you'd stop the boorish behavior of hyphenating your citizenship, you wouldn't have this problem. Instead, you're torn between the amount of melanin in your skin, your fluency in singing Feliz Navidad," and the patch of earth your home sits on. So, Mr. Schumacher-Matos (hyphenization a way of life, si?), if it doesn't pass what next? Hold your face until it turns blue? Won't eat your peas and carrots?

Posted by: hofbrauhausde | December 13, 2010 4:42 AM | Report abuse

If this Nightmare Act is approved there will be 2 million less American kids going to college over the next several years because the democrats want to give those slots to illegal aliens.

However we American citizens do get one thing out of it... the bill. Yup the democrats want the American taxpayer to subsidize their education while cheating our American kids.

The Nightmare Act has no cap, no end-date and no enforcement. It's simply a "mass ongoing amnesty". In the future any foreign family with a school age child can sneak in the country and enroll their child in school to obtain automatic citizenship.

Why do democrats hate American kids so much???

Posted by: hunter340 | December 13, 2010 4:43 AM | Report abuse

There is a moral reality and a political reality with the Dream Act.

The political reality is that if the GOP does block the Dream Act and continues to fight comprehensive immigration reform, they do so at their peril. In many ways it is the reverse of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. At the time LBJ said that by signing this bill he just handed the GOP a huge political victory since the South (as well as other parts of the country) would leave the Dems and vote Republican. The reverse of the Dream Act is that by blocking this bill, the Republicans have just put the fastest growing segment of our population into the hands of the Democratic Party. I wonder what Marc Rubio thinks about this.

Second, for the party that talks about the sanctity of life, this bill is for CHILDREN. Children as young as infants who came to this country because their parents wanted a better life for them. Did they do so legally. No. But that is because they wanted to provide a better LIFE for their children. These children grew up here. They see themselves as AMERICANS because this is the only home they have ever known. These children have done well in school and want to continue their education and/or put their lives on the line for the country they love. I would think the party of LIFE would support such an action.

The author is correct when it comes to the DREAM ACT. What the opponents of this law fear is the supposed "Lationization" of America. They don't dear say it outload, that would at the very least, would sound "impolite"

Posted by: smith6 | December 13, 2010 4:43 AM | Report abuse

THE 10-YEAR WORK PERMITS (What you are not being told)

1. Application: The DREAM amnesty begins with illegal aliens filling out applications. They merely have to claim — not provide evidence — that they meet criteria of having been brought to the U.S. before age 16 and being under the age of 30 at time of enactment and being present in the U.S. at least 5 years before enactment of the amnesty, among other criteria.

2. Work Permits Given: Upon filing the application, the illegal aliens are given a 10-year work permit to compete directly with the 22 million Americans who want a full-time job but can’t find one.

Estimates suggest that up to 2 million illegal aliens could legitimately qualify for the opening application, and perhaps a couple million more might be or look young enough to fraudulently apply.

Those millions would immediately be able to legally compete for any U.S. job…

Posted by: fury60 | December 13, 2010 4:47 AM | Report abuse

Hogwash!

The is nothing but a back door to the voting both for new Democrat voters. Left wing rags like The Washington Post will do everything in their power to frighten and intimidate people to support this disaster. Don't fall for it, there is a proven method and route towards citizenship and that is what must be used.

Posted by: rplat | December 13, 2010 5:10 AM | Report abuse

So, what if illegal aliens from China decided that America needs about 50,000,000 more Chinese people to make them feel good about being Americans??

Do we send for them and give them free citizenship?? I'm sure the Chinese government would cooperate fully since China is way overpopulated and would be glad to let go of some of it's surplus population.

How about Indians?? Surely they deserve to come to America at taxpayer expense. Let's invite about 50,000,000 of them to come over.

America has perfectly good immigration laws but some seem to not want to follow them to citizenship. That's the problem.

America has laws. It's citizens are expected to follow them. Surely we Americans could expect foreigners to do as much. This is all about law and some people's contempt for it.

The best immigrants follow American law and take pride in that. They also make the best citizens. It's a fact.

Posted by: battleground51 | December 13, 2010 6:21 AM | Report abuse

And, if Latinos insist on voting Democrat over their one-issue concern, before long the Democrat party will be a true minority party. It will consist of African-Americans, Latinos, and a small assortment of other, aggrieved minorities. That's the present trend.

That would be very bad.....for them.

Posted by: battleground51 | December 13, 2010 6:34 AM | Report abuse

I only wave one flag. Not two when it is convenient.

I am sick of reading how much illegals want to be here when they obviously have already dumped and run from their own countries. Turn it around then, shut off all the benefits, and they will find somewhere else to run. Billions of dollars would be saved and they WILL self-deport.

Call your Senators this week to vote "No" on the next illegal alien handout. Taxpayers and the nation can't afford it. No matter what certain Senators say - the majority of legal citizens and immigrants don't want anymore "nightmares."

Posted by: caesar_56 | December 13, 2010 6:35 AM | Report abuse

If you want to be in America do it the right way or GET OUT. We are sick of filth like you who litter our countryside and have no pride in America.

Posted by: JUNGLEJIM123 | December 13, 2010 6:35 AM | Report abuse

"The legislation is so clearly in the country's interest that its rejection essentially means: You don't want me here. You fear that the country is being overrun by Latinos and that, almost as bad, we will vote Democrat." CORRECT ON ALL COUNTS! Now get out and get out now. We will vote this legislation down!

Posted by: fudador | December 13, 2010 6:52 AM | Report abuse


Illegal aliens should not be allowed into the United States military, period. They are foreigners who owe no allegiance to America. Illegal aliens are not allowed to join the military today and for good reason. The DREAM act is a backdoor way to let foreigners infiltrate the U.S. armed forces.

And another thing: the act as written only requires two years of military service. A military enlistment is for at least four years. Just another aspect of this boneheaded leftist bill that does not jibe with reality.

Posted by: screwjob23 | December 13, 2010 6:54 AM | Report abuse

Latinos want to be Americans? Then why the hell do I have to punch one for English?

Why are all the store fronts in Woodbridge Virginia in Spanish?

America has always been a melting pot! When you understand that maybe, and I mean maybe, you will be welcome here. Until then get out of my country.

Posted by: ransr01 | December 13, 2010 7:10 AM | Report abuse

Latinos will never get the respect they want until they quit being a one-issue minority. German-Americans do not sit around thinking about how to get more Germans into America.

Irish-Americans do not worry about how to get more Irishmen to become American citizens.

Same with most of the other ethnic groups.

This strange obsession seems to be peculiar to Mexicans and other Latinos.

Why is that???

Hmmmmmmmm!

Posted by: battleground51 | December 13, 2010 7:27 AM | Report abuse

Their unifying characteristic is their adherence to the rule of law and respect for others. In 1886 the people of France, in recognition of their friendships with the United States during the revolutionary war period, gave to the people of America one of its most recognizable symbols-the State of liberty. Subsequently emblazoned on it were the poetic words of Emma Lazarus, herself then a recent immigrant.


Posted by: cosmicrace | December 12, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

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You do realize, don't you, that the Statue of Liberty was given to us by France as Liberty Enlightening the World? And that it was NOT a symbol of immigration but rather intended to be an inspiration to people in other countries to use the American example to overthrow tyrants IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES, just as France had.

Posted by: Ali4 | December 13, 2010 7:35 AM | Report abuse

Woody Allen once said, "Eighty percent of success in life is just showing up."

However, when it comes to a path to citizenship for those here illegally, it ought to take more than just showing up.

Posted by: millerroberta | December 13, 2010 7:39 AM | Report abuse

Not A Thank You from any ungrateful hispanic.
We American citizens are paying to educate your offspring, whom you don't think twice about spawning in your quest to "become American." YOu want what America has to give away and then you stomp your feet and want more. You greedy, vile, self centered low life.
Your priorities are out of whack. Practice some birth control (not abortion) until you get yourself straight before you spawn more mouths for America to feed, while you hide in your dens taking and not giving back except some paltry sales tax.
The illegals need to pay the serious taxes that we Americans pay.
And after your ungrateful children graduate at our expense, send them to their home countries to make their home countries better.
You shamefully use us and then you want us to embrace you!
I wonder if hispanics are even born with a conscience.

Posted by: tjmlrc | December 13, 2010 7:44 AM | Report abuse

The author has actually made the case for opposing the DREAM Act. He states that the unifying factor for American Hispanics is immigration. In other words, for many, the DREAM Act is all about gaining more political power in America, and guess what for.

Posted by: hipshot | December 13, 2010 7:49 AM | Report abuse

this is all politics ...specially this week with the Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, Job Creation Act of 2010 being voted on in the Senate and House.

remember, the Republicans in the Senate are not going to consider anything, no new legislation until the above (the Bush tax cuts) is voted on and passed.
They are holding everything, from START to DREAM, to unemployment hostage.

So expect DREAM to go into the new year with the new Republican controlled House.

Something will pass on this, amended or not......but don't take it as a slap in the face yet.

I'm sympathetic to the hard luck story of this article, but don't worry....something good will come out of DREAM, when addressed.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | December 13, 2010 7:51 AM | Report abuse

Dream Act is a good start.

Working with Immigration to day is a bloody nightmare
even if you have lots of money.

Which is about $3000 to INS
and $2000 to the Immigration Atorney.
-------And yet, illegal aliens pay many times that to coyotes.

Republican are all about demeaning the poor.
and
have been doing everything in their power to kill the middle class
and
reintroduce Slavery.
-------And Democrats have been helping them, including with this bad bill.

Sooner or later they will destroy Social Security.
-------Yup, legalizing illegal aliens will do just that. Lamar Smith had the SS Administration run the numbers. Each legalized illegal alien would end up COSTING the SS system $15,000. You see, illegal aliens are generally low-wage workers and low-wage workers get far more money back in relation to their contributions than higher wage workers.

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Posted by: Ali4 | December 13, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

These people wont be happy until it's 'press two for english'.Kill the dream act!!!

Posted by: votingrevolution1 | December 13, 2010 8:00 AM | Report abuse

There is a moral reality and a political reality with the Dream Act.

The political reality is that if the GOP does block the Dream Act and continues to fight comprehensive immigration reform, they do so at their peril. In many ways it is the reverse of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. At the time LBJ said that by signing this bill he just handed the GOP a huge political victory since the South (as well as other parts of the country) would leave the Dems and vote Republican. The reverse of the Dream Act is that by blocking this bill, the Republicans have just put the fastest growing segment of our population into the hands of the Democratic Party. I wonder what Marc Rubio thinks about this.
-----------Of course, most of the growth in the Latino population in this country is from ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. And illegal immigration helps keep wages down. And keeping wages down keeps people from moving into the Middle Class. And that keeps people from becoming Republicans. Better off Hispanics such as my niece tend to vote their pocketbooks. It's actuall in the interest of Republicans to see that Hispanics integrate and assimilate by not giving amnesty and cutting off future illegal immigration.


Second, for the party that talks about the sanctity of life, this bill is for CHILDREN. Children as young as infants who came to this country because their parents wanted a better life for them. Did they do so legally. No. But that is because they wanted to provide a better LIFE for their children. These children grew up here. They see themselves as AMERICANS because this is the only home they have ever known. These children have done well in school and want to continue their education and/or put their lives on the line for the country they love. I would think the party of LIFE would support such an action.
--------Ah, baby waving! First, it was anchor babies. Now, just bring your kid here, claim he was under age 16, and he and YOU should get legal status. What a deal--for YOU. FAct is, the PARENTS of the "kids" spent most of their lives in their homelands--until THEY came here illegally and without knowing the language or anything about this country. So what if the kids think of themselves as "Americans"? They're not. They are, however, citizens of whatever countries they come from.

The author is correct when it comes to the DREAM ACT. What the opponents of this law fear is the supposed "Lationization" of America. They don't dear say it outload, that would at the very least, would sound "impolite"
---------Why shouldn't we oppose the Latinization of America, when you, the government of Mexico, and Mr. Schumacher-Matos are so obviously in favor of it? After all, U.S. immigration policy should be for the good of AMERICANS.

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Posted by: Ali4 | December 13, 2010 8:08 AM | Report abuse

Estos burros son una broma. Dicen que quieren ser estadounidense y aún más seguir hablando a español.

Posted by: tjmlrc | December 13, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

DREAM ACT - 10-YEAR WORK PERMITS (What our corrupt politicians and MSM are not telling you)

1. Application: The DREAM amnesty begins with illegal aliens filling out applications. They merely have to claim — not provide evidence — that they meet criteria of having been brought to the U.S. before age 16 and being under the age of 30 at time of enactment and being present in the U.S. at least 5 years before enactment of the amnesty, among other criteria.

2. Work Permits Given: Upon filing the application, the illegal aliens are given a 10-year work permit to compete directly with the 22 million Americans who want a full-time job but can’t find one.

Estimates suggest that up to 2 million illegal aliens could legitimately qualify for the opening application, and perhaps a couple million more might be or look young enough to fraudulently apply.

Those millions would immediately be able to legally compete for any U.S. job...

Posted by: fury60 | December 13, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse

All the hateful anti-DREAM act comments is just that hate-filled based on warped sense of self-righteousness and a twisted version of morality.
-------Actually, it's the "Dreamers" who hve a warped sense of reality. Which is why this bad bill hasn't passed since it was introduced 9 years ago.

What country and what kind of a person believes is it moral to punish someone for the actions of another? No religious, political, nation in the world (except Israel) believes in collective punishment.
-------How is it "punishment" to send someone home. After all, the Israelis tried to get back to Israel for 2,000 years--and finally did.

These blessed immigrants children didn't wake up and say, and say lets break America's civil laws (EMPHASIS ON CIVIL NOT CRIMINAL, i.e. getting a ticket).
--------No, but at age 18, they made that decision to do so. And since immigration is, as you point out, a CIVIL violation, they can go back to their home countries before age 18 1/2 with no penalty and apply to come here legally. Furthermore, when Americans do commit a civil infraction, they either pay the fine or go to court to fight it. Or are illegal aliens more like those who ignore tickets until they pile up so much that you get a warrant out for your arrest?

For the opponents I have a question: How many of the rest of us go around calling you illegals when you break other form of civilian laws such as when being guilty of speeding? Who hasn't done it? You pay fine and move on; but these kids haven't even sped but are ready to pay the fine? Why stop them?
---------Actually, despite your claim, these kids ARE here illegally. While we don't penalize them for it until age 18, we certainly shouldn't reward them for it, either. Much less their parents. NOw, these kids can "pay the fine" prescribed by law, which is DEPORTATION along with their parents.

Some hate-mongering NATIVISTS argue "this is a nation of laws" therefore lets not have a heart and deport 'em all; forgetting laws are not-living; and are always added, deleted, and are changed.

Posted by: Ali4 | December 13, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

If this Nightmare Act is approved there will be 2 million less American kids going to college over the next several years because the democrats want to give those slots to illegal aliens.

However we American citizens do get one thing out of it... the bill. Yup the democrats want the American taxpayer to subsidize their education while cheating our American kids.

The Nightmare Act has no cap, no end-date and no enforcement. It's simply a "mass ongoing amnesty". In the future any foreign family with a school age child can sneak in the country and enroll their child in school to obtain automatic citizenship.

Why do some democrats hate American kids so much???

Do not punish innocent American kids because of the criminal actions of illegal aliens.

Posted by: hunter340 | December 13, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

WE ONLY WANT PEOPLE WHO OBEY OUR LAWS AND NOT PEOPLE WHO ONLY COME HERE TO GRAB ALL THEY CAN!DON'T TRY AND PULL THAT RACE CARD BS ON US AND TRY TO MAKE US LOOK BAD!WE DON'T WANT YOU HERE IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE OUR COUNTRY TO YOUR LIKINGS,SO IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT YOU CAN GO TO HELL FOR ALL I CARE!!! MY FATHER FOUGHT FOR OUR RIGHTS WHAT DID YOURS??IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE ANGLO SAXONS AND THEIR IDEAS THE USA WOULD LOOK LIKE EVERYTHING SOUTH OF IT!THIS COULD GO ON & ON BUT I THINK YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN!

Posted by: jamesweisbecker | December 13, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

They wont be happy untill it's press two for English.No dream act!!!

Posted by: votingrevolution1 | December 13, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

he Dream Act affects more than Latinos ...... you bet. It affects every child of a US citizen that wants a job or wants to attend a college or university. It affects every person that worries about older American citizens. It affects our social services, educational system, national debt and a lot more.

The Dream Act is a nightmare for American Citizens.

Posted by: richard36 | December 13, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

rednova writes that he is Muslim, but wonders how Christians can be against the Dream Act. Well, rednova, we are directed in Romans (as well as other books in the Bible) to respect authority, obey all laws and pay our taxes, because God wants orderly societies. In the Gospels, Jesus said render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. He never gave a sermon telling his followers to disregard laws, or steal. Illegal immigration is stealing. Coming across the border to avail oneself of all the social service programs, which were set up to benefit the poor CITIZENS, is stealing.

Posted by: AnnsThought | December 13, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Sorry Matos but if the Republicans are stupid enough to pass the Dream Act I and millions of other American citizens will consider it a slap in the face. While millions of our legal citizens are out of a job and millions more need college degrees allowing millions of new citizens to compete for jobs and education is a slap in our face.

They need to go home wherever that is and apply for citizenship like the rest of the world. Any complaints take it up with their parents who knowingly broke our laws coming here. America owes them nothing.

Posted by: Desertdiva1 | December 13, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Prepare to be slapped. These so called conservatives are insane. They're grasp of reality is based on nonsense they regurgitate from what they hear on talk radio.

Posted by: kchses1 | December 13, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Congress should vote on immigration reform all at once, instead of piecemeal.

I'm still annoyed that I have to hit '1' for English. It used to be assumed.

Posted by: Benson | December 13, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse


well, maybe the DREAM Act should be considered after the lawsuit pending against Arizona's SB1070. That's still in the works ya know.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | December 13, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

I find it very interesting that while someone can cite a variety of reasons for supporting amnesty for illegals under various categories, and also high rates of overall immigration, the minute someone expresses opposition, it is assumed that their opposition is driven by only one thing: racism. This editorial fits that pattern to a T. There are numerous, legitimate reasons to argue against amnesty and continued population growth driven by unprecedented legal and illegal immigration. For example, population growth is trashing the U.S. environment. For example, millions of Americans are unable to find work, and the least-skilled Americans have the most trouble getting jobs that pay a livable wage. The presence of millions of low-skilled illegal immigrants, regardless of their ethnic background, thus contributes to economic hardship for millions of U.S. citizens. Given that many of those low-skilled, unemployed Americans are the African-American descendants of slaves, I think that we should refine Affirmative Action policies to target their needs. But since I also think that, for those same reasons, the flow of legal and illegal immigrants needs to be reduced, does that make me a racist? I don't believe so, but apparently Mr. Shumacher-Matos doesn't need to know my motives, only the policies I support, to determine that there is "something deeper and uglier," at work in my heart. Truth is I love tacos, I love to partake in fiestas (and also siestas), but I am concerned that we are not just "near that limit," as the writer acknowledges, but well past the limit of sustainability given the American lifestyle and the size of the American population. What troubles me most about the Dream Act, as noted by other commenters, is not that it resolves the uncertain status of these children but that it rewards the parents of those children, essentially guaranteeing them permanent legal status along with their children. The same problem comes up with anchor babies; Again, it's not that the children are a threat, it's that the parents are benefiting from their willful manipulation of that law as it stands, we are allowing them to benefit, and others will continue to enter the country if we continue to provide this loophole. As for the rest of the illegal population, to suggest that they could be given amnesty without encouraging millions more to enter the U.S. illegally is simply not credible. We had an estimated 3-4 million illegals in 1986. We offered them amnesty and now a quarter century later, we have an estimated 11-12 million illegals. The 1986 amnesty was supposed to be the end of illegal immigration as a significant problem, but it turned out to have the opposite effect. This is a valid reason to oppose both the Dream act and any other proposed amnesty. This writer dismisses anyone who does so as a racist, and the Washington Post should know better than to print such name-calling.

Posted by: mjpwow | December 13, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Two years in the military, and you move from illegal to citizen?

Wow.

I don't see any possibility of abuse there.

Posted by: Benson | December 13, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

anyway one looks at it,
an anchor baby is an anchor baby.....
today or years ago...

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | December 13, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

benson...
yep, the draft is avoided and there's a chance that one may live through the 2 years and return......

the Vietnam Vets should be fumin'.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | December 13, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

At our peril? Who do you think you are to threaten us so openly? More to the point why do you think threats will get you what you want: complete amnesty. This is the USA. Threats may work in Mexico and other Latin American countries but not here. Register, fulfill the requirements that my ancestors had to and get in line. Or, GET OUT.

Posted by: 1republican | December 13, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

No, tjmirc, the illegal student aliens are not donkeys, but as Ward4 and others note, they are here illegally, unlike Obama's Kenyan aunt living in Boston. Notice that Hispanics like Schumacher-Matos never mention other non-Hispanic illegal student aliens. What about the Brazilian students who are here illegally because of their parents overstaying their visas? What about the other alien students of foreign national parents here illegally?
No, the Dream Act would be a Nightmare. It's not compassionate. It would cause further disunity among Americans. It would give racially divide Hispanics, who until now have overcome traditional racism to unite behind the Dream Act. But we do not need a repeat of South Florida's demographic problems across the Southwest, California, and Texas. We do not need the ethnic racial rivalries in the boroughs of New York City, East Hartford, Ct., Dearborn, MI, South Central Los Angeles, CA,and increasingly, southern Louisiana.
Someone ought to ask Senor Edward Shumacher-Matos why American Hispanics have not produced a Martin Luther King,Jr.? Would it possibly be because they did not support ending racial discrimination when many Mexicans and most Cuban refugees were legally able to claim that they were "Caucasian" and entitled to the same privileges and preferences as other whites under racial segregation laws denying those same privileges and preferences to African Americans? Now that the census designations and racial classification no longer automatically identifies Mexicans and Cubans as white, and the racial classification of old has been eliminated, Hispanics long for an Hispanic Martin Luther King, Jr. One supposes that the Ku Klux Klan also longs for a white MLK,Jr. to promote their agenda as well. Good luck!

Posted by: thedefendantX | December 13, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

These hispanic and jewish blowhards have been lobbing threats at anyone who oppose their propoganda for years, and now seems all of this so-called hispanic clout is about to get all of these hispanic illegal aliens deported and marginalized, or worse even.

Posted by: hared | December 13, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

One of the most balanced comments I've read:

"I think that this bill is fairly idealistic. Yes, I agree that the Latino community is a grounding force in the US economy. I agree that Latinos hold American values in their hearts. However, I don't think that this bill is a good representation of these American values. I don't see how this bill will prevent further illegal immigration. I am not a xenophobe or a nativist--both of my parents were immigrants. I just think that this bill might encourage more illegal immigrants to enter the US. It seems that most illegal immigrants come because they want to give their children a better life...this bill will just make America look more enticing. Also, who's to prevent the military from abusing this bill? If recruitment is so important and desperately needed, I don't see what would stop the military from accepting people who shouldn't qualify for the temporary residential status that the DREAM acts is proposing. I also don't think it's very "fair" that we are turning to Latinos to serve in the military as a "last reserve". I am not saying that Latinos are not capable or patriotic. I just don't understand why more American citizens can't defend our country. I think this bill is taking advantage of people who don't have access to American institutions. My point being: why should you want to be in a country that won't legally recognize you until you put your life on the life for it? Why is it that actual American citizens aren't willing to sacrifice for their country and must find a way to get others to do their "job"?
I guess it's probably that I just can't empathize with the plight many illegal immigrants face while living in the States, but I don't think the basic premise of this bill represents the values I've always thought the US represented.

Posted by: tangereenee | December 12, 2010"


Many good Questions.

"why should you want to be in a country that won't legally recognize you until you put your life on the life for it?"

Because we grew up here. This is the country that make up our memories, the things we love, the values we hold. And if my brother and sister can get a chance to live a plentiful life, then that is something worth risking your life for.

I think the basic premise of this bill represents exactly what the U.S. has always stood for, a beacon of light across the world for opportunity, equality, and justice.

Posted by: pablotheexplorer | December 13, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

14 paragraphs and "latino" is mentioned 8 times and "hispanic" once.

Can you say racist attitude?

Posted by: r_leever | December 13, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

I think anyone descended from people who arrived here before the 19th century should leave. Not only did they not get permission from the inhabitants at the time, they killed them as soon as they could. Not sure what to do with descendants of slaves who came against their will, but we can figure that one out.

Posted by: msh41 | December 13, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

"Jewish blowhards"? What the hell does that mean?

Posted by: Carstonio | December 13, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Many good Questions.

"why should you want to be in a country that won't legally recognize you until you put your life on the life for it?"

Because we grew up here. This is the country that make up our memories, the things we love, the values we hold. And if my brother and sister can get a chance to live a plentiful life, then that is something worth risking your life for.
-------------Yet, YOUR PARENTS GREW UP IN THEIR HOMELANDS and managed to leave it, with you, and come here ILLEGALLY without knowing the language or anything about the U.S. Apparently, your parents and YOU aren't willing to risk your lives for a "plentiful life" in your homelands.

I think the basic premise of this bill represents exactly what the U.S. has always stood for, a beacon of light across the world for opportunity, equality, and justice.
------That's rich. Someone who is breaking the laws of this country by jumping the line talking about "equality" and "justice". No qualms about cutting ahead of the 15 million people who applied for the 50,000 slots available in the diversity drawing this year. No qualms about cutting ahead of the 5 BILLION people who live in countries poorer than Mexico. There's NOTHING "JUST" about illegal immigration. And there's most certainly nothing "just" about this amnesty.
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Posted by: Ali4 | December 13, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse


The DREAM act is just an example of the leftist nonsense that got the Dims voted out of both houses of Congress just one month ago. The Dims give up their majority in the House this Friday when the lame duck session ends and they go to a slim majority in the Senate.

Give these Dims nothing in their few waning days of power this week.

Posted by: screwjob23 | December 13, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

I think anyone descended from people who arrived here before the 19th century should leave. Not only did they not get permission from the inhabitants at the time, they killed them as soon as they could. Not sure what to do with descendants of slaves who came against their will, but we can figure that one out.

Posted by: msh4
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Of course, that means that many if not most Hispanics would be leaving not only the U.S. but Latin America, since the Spaniards did a lot of killing on both continents.

Posted by: Ali4 | December 13, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

One can disapprove of illegal immigration and still be repulsed by nativist demagoguery. Over the years I've read too many ugly rantings that claim illegals come here only to obtain public assistance. I would favor lifting the quotas for the Latin American countries to meet the demand, while lowering them for countries where the demand is lower. For decades, the immigration quotas have unreasonably favored Western European countries, implying that the true goal is selecting for the "right" races or ethnicities.

Posted by: Carstonio | December 13, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Why will you "and many millions of Hispanics will take it as a slap in the face?" Why do so many Hispanics follow this blind, irrational support for amnesty for illegal aliens? Nobody is slapping you in the face, nothing in the principaled opposition to catering to the illegal community is aimed at citizens or legal, i.e., actual immigrants.

While there may be much to laud about the Dream Act on a strictly humanitarian basis, it is undeniable that passage will signal yet another incentive for illegal entry into the United States.

So please, before you consider it a "slap in the face," ask yourself, "Why?"

Posted by: JohnV111a | December 13, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

We do not need anymore Nixon's bigoted terrorist and gangster Cubans, like Bebe Rebozo!! (See "Gangster in the White House" by Don Fulsom: http://www.crimemagazine.com/gangster-white-house) Nor do we need anymore "Mara Salvatrucha also known as MS-13" gangsters from El Salvador, Central America, nor Mexican Drug and Human trafficking Mafias. The Dream of American citizenship for those immigrants has already become a Nightmare for our Attorney Generals, our Courts, our Law Enforcement Officials, and in New Jersey, in one massacre of 4 innocent black college students by illegal immigrant college student gangsters, as well as for a Texas rancher shot on his property by illegal Central American aliens crossing the border, not to mention the other crimes by illegal immigrants (all of whom stand to benefit from amnesty) a Nightmare for our citizens.

Posted by: thedefendantX | December 13, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

ILLEGAL is ILLEGAL...feelings hurt? families? Childeren?...Illegal is ILLegal and supporting this bill will further plunge our economy into chaos. What more do illegals want? Did you know they can still serve in the military. I have seen it first hand as a retired Navy Vet. I think its disgusting how these illegals can join our military and recieve the rank, pay and benefits of legal Americans. Same with school, didn't the supreme court rule that illegals can recieve discounts like regular Americans to go to college. What about all those "social justice" programs? Free medical care at emergency rooms. What about the misinterpreted 14th ammendment? ANchor baby law? So this DREAM ACT is nothing more then amnesty. ILLEGAL is ILLEGAL!!

Posted by: gpl2032 | December 13, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

I can notice more that one angle to this issue. First,the Dream Act would be door to amnesty for those children willing to serve the USA in the armed forces or go to 2 years of college, which means they would have some skills or preparation to become productive citizens. It makes sense to get the best of them and keep them here, America needs fresh blood, and most Latinos will remain here not matter what.
Secondly, once these children become citizens, and 21 years of age, they could claim their parents, who could stay if the immigration laws are changed to forgive people who entered without inspection.
I believe that the Dream Act could be a good approach that is not an amnesty for everyone, and could very well be a beginning for selecting who could stay and who must go. Immigration laws include issues of good moral character, police records, tax payers' records, and other items as a condition to be accepted as immigrants adjusting their status.
Immigration laws reform must happen, and will happen. Immigrants without legal status will go underground long before being deported, and those will be caught and deported sooner or later. Assisting the children who have the willingness to do what the Dream Act requires, is the best approach given the circumstances.
Immigration lawyers, advocates, and academic should be included in the discussion, and drafting of the Immigration Reform laws.

Posted by: albertorparedes | December 13, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

The Dream Act must pass or the Promise of America becomes qualified as: "Come to America for a better life...but only if you're a White Christian". In short, it becomes a lie. Why punish the children for whom their parents have risked so much to come here?

FWIW, I believe that those seeking to live, work, do business etc. in the USA should also demonstrate the ability to read, write, speak, and understand English.

To the poster(s) who demand "immediate implementation of e-verify" to "clear the jobs of 8 million illegal workers":

OK. Then what? Bearing in mind, of course, that those 8 million jobs "cleared" are:

--Jobs that neither you nor I nor most so-called "real Americans" would want to do...
--Jobs without benefits of any kind...
--Jobs where the employer (knowing full well that his slaves--ahem 'employees'--have no legal recourse) may not be paying even the minimum wage, let alone providing a safe workplace...

Oh, I forgot: OSHA is "Just Another Example Of Intrusive Big Government Run Amok That Must Be Stopped..."

Yeah, right...I'll bet a lot of the folks that are against the Dream act are the same ones who want to abolish the EPA. I got news for you, folks:

You can't talk about "Family Values" if you DE-value families just because they don't look like you or didn't come over on the same boat.

I say provide a path for the parents of children who would benefit from the Dream Act that would (strongly) encourage them to "get right" with our system and learn how to function in our society (e.g., learn to function in English). This path should be one that doesn't require them to return to the squalid narco-kleptocratic oligarchies they escaped from, for years of waiting and dying for "legal" re-entry to the US.

This way, instead, these workers start earning a legal, living wage, earning benefits, paying taxes like the rest of us, and participating/contributing fully to our economy.

And those things are bad in what way?

I'm waiting...

Posted by: Rhino40 | December 13, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Also, instead of focusing anger and legal attention at the illegals themselves, we should instead target the employers who hire them. There have been stories about employers bribing border officials into letting some illegals through for cheap labor.

Posted by: Carstonio | December 13, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

As a hispanic, I completely agree. I am a very conservative Christian, but because of what is happening here, I would not consider offering my support to a Republican. Very well put. It makes me think that those that oppose this act are ignorant about the issue and about the act itself. Some of the comments against the act are ridiculous lies and exagerations. If you want to have an opinion on this, at least do some research to validate your reasons - not just watch fox news (not very reliable on this issue).

Posted by: LMRB | December 13, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

And these are the people that are supposed to be our future? Their children will be too busy helping to support their parents and their own children. Dream Act or no dream act, they will only help themselves, while they rape us financially. God help us!
http://dynamic.azstarnet.com/comments/viewcomments.php?id=/business/local/article_662c6e13-d88c-5ddb-b3d8-33507f79678b.html&h=Latinos%20face%20barriers%20in%20building%20wealth
Every other Friday, Raul Valenzuela gets paid in cash for the hours he spends shining shoes in a Chandler barbershop. He deposits the money in his Wells Fargo savings account. That's the extent of his interaction with a bank.
Even then, Valenzuela is not typical of most Mexican immigrants because he actually has a bank account. According to the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., 75 percent of Mexican immigrants - legal and illegal - don't.
The reasons that Mexican immigrants remain largely unbanked vary: a lack of legal identification, a history of mistrusting banks in their home country and the perceived complexities of banking in another language.
"These people are coming from countries where they don't trust the government or banks, places where there is no such entity as the FDIC," said Allen Gutierrez of the Latino Coalition, an advocacy organization that addresses, among other areas, the economic needs of Latinos. "They still have that mentality they could lose everything."
Valenzuela knows the feeling. By his estimate, he lost 5,000 pesos he deposited in Banco Mexico. "It was my savings, all of my hard work, gone," he said. Left with no recourse, Valenzuela accepted the loss and moved on.
Financial illiteracy
The problems associated with the high rates of financial illiteracy among Latinos, the fastest-growing segment of the U.S. population, are much deeper than individual ones like those faced by Valenzuela.
The median net worth of Latinos under age 35 is $8,000, compared with $19,000 for non-Hispanic whites. At retirement age, the disparity is even greater: $251,000 in median net worth for non-Hispanic whites versus $31,000 for Latinos, says a report by the Filene Research Institute.
And the National Council of La Raza reported that more than half of Hispanic households have no accumulated assets in a 401(k) or IRA. Only one of two - including American-born Latinos - has a checking or a savings account, and 43 percent of those surveyed knew nothing about investing or saving for retirement.
Coupled with projections that the number of Latinos age 65 and older will grow from 1.7 million in 2000 to 15.2 million in 2050, it's clear that financial problems are both short-term and long-term problems in the Latino community.
Those kinds of stark figures have prompted financial institutions, advocacy groups and social-service organizations to try to attack the issue of financial literacy.
New Texas Program
One new program seeks to reach out to the 30,000 unbanked households, of which 54 percent are Latino.

Posted by: Edie3 | December 13, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Step 1. Seal the borders. Built the fences watchtowers and install the surveillance equipment and UAV.s

Step 2. Increase the size and numbers of processing stations. Let in more legal immigrants in and keep out the criminals

How hard is that? Even Iran can do it! Just try going for a hike near their border and see what happens!

Posted by: rexreddy | December 13, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

This guy threatens everybody because he can not logically explain why this is good for America so he resorts to name calling and threats.


Sorry Mr Threat but the American population is not going to swallow this bitter pill.

Posted by: PennyWisetheClown | December 13, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

My grandfather gave me some advise 30 years ago. If a politician says "It's for the children", you can bet your bottom dollar its not. If you want cooperation for any reform, its starts with sealing off our borders. Then and only then can we have an adult conversation about our illegals. Until that happens, don't even bother with your attempts at amnesty.

Posted by: elcigaro1 | December 13, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Maybe if those that feel as you do about secure borders, etc. took a stronger and more public stand then the rest of us might be better able to understand that you are with America and not against her. Where are the public rallys to support strong measure to get our immigration under control and to stop the illegal immigration? I for one would be quick to endorse a dream Act if i knoew that what you say is a common held belief. Just you saying it is so does not make it so

Posted by: pprucci | December 13, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Wow! An unbelievable amount of hate here. You all must be so proud.

Posted by: GaryG1 | December 13, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Schumacher-Matos wrote:

"The legislation is so clearly in the country's interest that its rejection essentially means: You don't want me here."

FINALLY he gets the message! Geez, it doesn't take many bricks to fall on your head does it?

Posted by: 54465446 | December 13, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

This guy threatens everybody because he can not logically explain why this is good for America so he resorts to name calling and threats.


Sorry Mr Threat but the American population is not going to swallow this bitter pill.

Posted by: PennyWisetheClown | December 13, 2010 10:20 AM


that is because he is exactly like the people is fighting for. You saw them marching in our street carrying foreign flags and demanding amnesty. These people are no more than ghetto in their own country and they and their relatives and friends want to "demand" what they don't have a right to. Like I said ghetto and thugs is what they are.

Posted by: Edie3 | December 13, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Well looks like people here dont know the meaning of the Constitution of the United States. and i quote "for the people, and by the people
---------Yup. The AMERICAN people. Not anyone who wants to sneak in.
. I am hispanic born and raised in NY and with puertoriken parents. Come on people. The majority of the hispanics in this country are the ones that give life to industries, schools. The smartest students come from hispanics. trust me I am one of them. My children were born in PR and because of that they can not cpme to this country.
--------If you were that smart, you’d know that people born in Puerto Rico are CITIZENS of the U.S. and can travel to the U.S. at will. As for racism, that bull about “giving life” to industries and schools is just that—bull. Latinos are cheap labor for industries, driving down wages and living standards. AS for schools, Latinos have the highest high school and college drop out rates. And if they’re THAT smart, how come their test scores here or in their home countries don’t bear it out? For that matter, if they’re that smart, why aren’t their home countries in better shape?
What people in the United States dont read there history where it says the Puerto Rico belongs to the US since 1898. And I am expressing my opinion because I, myself have been treated with disrespect because I am hispanic. My skin color or my race does not make me a bad person, because 2 or 3 people that behave in such bad ways , all of us are going to pay the price. Our children, our family I dont think so. Inclusive our soldiers in PR serve the UNited States Navy, Army, Marines, People read your history. The immigrants that are here in the US are just looking for what I am looking and gaining, My dream of being an American Citizen.
------Again, for someone who claims to be smart, you’re awfully ignorant. Puerto Ricans ARE CITIZENS of the U.S. And if you’re treated with disrespect because you’re Hispanic, it’s because plenty of Hispanics treat AMERICANS with disrespect. It is DISRESPECTFUL to break the laws of this in coming here illegally, working illegally, and committing fraud, identity theft, and tax evasion. By the way, you do know, don’t you, that many Puerto Ricans are none too eager to join the U.S. as a state, although they’re more than eager to continue their privileged position with regard to not paying taxes and reaping economic benefits.
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Posted by: Ali4 | December 13, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

We need better control of who enters this country. However we also need to deal with the world as it is, not how we wish the world to be. Somebody who is facing economic disaster isn't going to worry about the long term effects of today's decision to put food on the table now. It is the business of the individual states to determine who is eligible for in-state tuition and who is not. If a state wishes to disregard immigration status, fine. Maybe that state pragmatically prefers that its future taxpayers be in the higher income brackets that usually result from higher education. The federal government may decide who is and is not eligible for federal financial aid, but should have no say in who can be admitted or who pays in-state rates. If you fail to secure the door for which you are responsible, you don't get to tell the keeper of the next door what to do.

Posted by: abbyandmollycats | December 13, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

The Dream Act is a much broader Amnesty than anyone expects, due to the fact that there is no verification of the age of the applicant, the age the applicant entered the US, or the time an illegal alien has been in the US.

The bill also contains the line allowing Janet Napolitano to arbitrarily waive any and all provisions and grant mass Amnesty to about every illegal alien in America if she or her successor wants to.

WAIVER- With respect to any benefit under this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security may waive the ground of inadmissibility under paragraph (1), (4), or (6) of section 212(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1182(a)) and the ground of deportability under paragraph (1) of section 237(a) of that Act (8 U.S.C. 1227(a)) for humanitarian purposes or family unity or when it is otherwise in the public interest."

YOU MUST act NOW AMERICA. YOU MUST AWAKEN AND START BOMBARDING THE SENATE WITH CALLS OPPOSING THE DREAM ac. YOU MUST NOT STOP UNTIL THE SENATE EITHER DEFEATS DREAM OR LEAVES FOR THE HOLIDAYS.

Posted by: mayaying | December 13, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse


Gee I guess that means all those La Raza members who did not vote Republican in this election will not do so in the next election either. Wow you are really scaring the pants off of us voters with those impotent threats of yours ... you silly Dims just lost 63 seats in the House and 6 in the Senate.

Posted by: screwjob23 | December 13, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

just wish all those who haven't put themselves in the shoes of these persevering kids to stop and put yourself in that situation. Imagine you being a child grown up in America finding out when you're 18 you're life stops because you can't drive, go to college, and now must toil in the shadow eking out a living of exploitation. Instantly relegated to a life of 2nd class underground citizenry without the luxury of being a citizen even though you worked hard in school, maybe excelled in sports, and have a unique American upbringing with a righteous character. Now the nativists are clamoring to make you the scapegoat for the faltering economy of "competition" and "taking jobs."
-------------------Yes, just imagine. YOUR PARENTS put you in that position, yet this bill rewards not only you, but your parents. Now, explain why you are incapable of going back to your homeland, where you ARE, after all, a citizen? You know—the homeland that your parents managed to leave to come here illegally and to work illegally? You know, the same parents who are taking 5-7 million jobs from Americans. The same parents who have benefited from our healthcare system and our educational system without paying nearly enough to cover the cost of the services they use. And now pro-amnesty types are seeking to exploit YOU because your are “children”—even though this bill rewards people up to the age of 30 and who came here as TEENAGERS and fully remember their homelands. In fact, who have spent most of their lives in their homelands, such as the Dreamer from Mexico who came here THREE YEARS Ago at age 15. He doesn’t “remember” his native language or his homeland? Not that it really matters, since if the parents could come here illegally without knowing anything about this country, why shouldn’t the kids go back to where they are citizens.
Does it sound fair or just to you? If so, your moral compass if off and when life puts you in the receiving end of injustice just remember where you stood on this most basic issue of fairness. What goes around will indeed come around.
---------Does it sound “fair” to you that people who lie, cheat and jump lines get rewarded for it? That’s what this bill does. It lets even older “children” who do remember their home countries legalize and also allows them to sponsor the people who brought them here illegally as well as other family members. In fact, this bill even lets people who don’t meet its requirements get a 10 year work visa because no one’s going to be checking and verifying—and there is no penalty for lying. This bill is UNFAIR to AMERICANS who are shut out of seats in college and financial—both scarce resources these days—as well as unfair to legal foreign students (691,000 of them this year) as well as to LEGAL immigrants.

Posted by: Ali4 | December 13, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

One can disapprove of illegal immigration and still be repulsed by nativist demagoguery. Over the years I've read too many ugly rantings that claim illegals come here only to obtain public assistance. I would favor lifting the quotas for the Latin American countries to meet the demand, while lowering them for countries where the demand is lower. For decades, the immigration quotas have unreasonably favored Western European countries, implying that the true goal is selecting for the "right" races or ethnicities.

Posted by: Carstonio
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Utterly bogus. You do know that our immigration policy since 1965 has FAVORED THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES due to family reunification. And you do know that one country, MEXICO, has sent 15-20% of our LEGAL immigration for the past two decades because of the 1986 amnesty. Recipients of that amnesty have been able to sponsor their family members, as recipients of this amnesty would be able to. Furthermore, close to 50% of our legal immigration is from Latin America and most of the rest of it from Asia. Europeans ARE NOT "favored" in our immigration. People with education and skills are. Note also that MOST immigration is under Family Reunification which is NOT subject to quotas.

Posted by: Ali4 | December 13, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

"If Senate Republicans kill the Dream Act, I and many millions of Hispanics will take it as a slap in the face."

*************

Good!
Mr. Schumacher-Matos, did you ever think that law abiding immigrants will consider the Dream Act as a slap in the face?
My father immigrated here LEGALLY so Hispanics can also!

What is it about liberals that want to reward irresponsibility and punish the responsible?

Posted by: BigKahuna1 | December 13, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

One can disapprove of illegal immigration and still be repulsed by nativist demagoguery. Over the years I've read too many ugly rantings that claim illegals come here only to obtain public assistance. I would favor lifting the quotas for the Latin American countries to meet the demand, while lowering them for countries where the demand is lower. For decades, the immigration quotas have unreasonably favored Western European countries, implying that the true goal is selecting for the "right" races or ethnicities.

Posted by: Carstonio
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Utterly bogus. You do know that our immigration policy since 1965 has FAVORED THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES due to family reunification. And you do know that one country, MEXICO, has sent 15-20% of our LEGAL immigration for the past two decades because of the 1986 amnesty. Recipients of that amnesty have been able to sponsor their family members, as recipients of this amnesty would be able to. Furthermore, close to 50% of our legal immigration is from Latin America and most of the rest of it from Asia. Europeans ARE NOT "favored" in our immigration. People with education and skills are. Note also that MOST immigration is under Family Reunification which is NOT subject to quotas.

Posted by: Ali4 | December 13, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Whooops!! You let is slip when you say that the Dream Act is "one of the few issues that we care about as a people." As a people? Apparently you consider Latinos as a separate "people."

That is your inadvertent characterization -- not mine. You betrayed yourself.

Posted by: kevin9
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No, apparently the author considers "Latinos" as a separate people, since he seems to think that they have rights and privileges, such as breaking the law and being rewarded, that the rest of us don't have. Do you notice that Mr. Schumacher-Matos himself does NOT distinguish among Latino CITIZENS, legal immigrants, and illegal aliens? Latinos are all the same to him. Yet, they're not to us.

Posted by: Ali4 | December 13, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Americans rewarded illegal activity in 1986 when we granted mass amnesty to illegal immigrants in return for a promise to seal our borders.

Our government took us for fools and utterly failed to fulfill its promise to seal the borders. We were then rewarded with massive new waves of illegal activity.

Those desiring US permanent residency determined that illegal immigration was a faster route to their goal than following the legal route. Consequently, we can never reward illegal activity again, as providing new rounds of amnesty will ensure even greater waves of illegal immigration in the future. It will never end.

Other countries, including Mexico, rigorously enforce their immigration laws; we have a right to do the same.

These “dreamers” are very selfish individuals. They have benefited greatly from our country’s generosity: free education, health care (at our emergency rooms), etc., no questions asked.

If the “dreamers” were such great individuals with so much to offer, they would be jumping at the opportunity to take what they have learned here, return to their home countries, attend college, and seek to improve the conditions at home.

Instead, they want US taxpayers to continue to reward their illegal conduct with preferential college admissions in the US, through affirmative action programs, grants programs, etc.

To heck with better qualified citizens who will have to step aside to provide the "dreamers" with opportunities at our better universities. To heck with citizen parents whose taxes funded their primary and secondary educations, the grants for college that the "dreamers" demand, while their own children must seek loans to fund their educations. To heck with the "dreamers" own countries that truly need their talents. The US really doesn't need them, in fact, we have 9.8% unemployment rate.

But again these dreamers, thinking only of themselves, will demand affirmative action in the U.S. work place, again expecting U.S. citizens to step aside for their personal benefit.

These "dreamers" are not stuck, they have lots of opportunities. There are universities all over the world, including Mexico. Many students today seek out opportunities to study abroad. There is no reason "dreamers" cannot return home to study. If they really want to study in the U.S., they can apply legally for student visas and enroll as international students.

Instead, of doing the right thing, the most selfish "dreamers" demand the best this country has to offer without any regard for the citizens that they may displace along the way. In addition, these "dreamers" show nothing but contempt for their home countries, not wishing to contribute there, while many, many U.S. citizens unselfishly go to countries all around the world, volunteering their time and contributing their personal funds, to improve conditions in the “dreamers” home countries.

Posted by: starbucks1 | December 13, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Whoa...I didn't realize how many individuals were against this act. I understand that there should be some type of enforced and effective regulation of our borders - no argument there. However, as someone who works in education it really breaks me when I have a student with a 3.9 GPA, excellent SAT scores, and a great work ethic who can't pay for an education at UCLA. I really don't care about the people that could come here because of this act to be honest - let's stop people from crossing our borders for all I care. What I really want is for students who have practically lived their whole lives in this country (and are already here)to get help. Remember, students have to complete two years of college or serve in the military - that means that Joe Blow down the street who isn't doing anything with this life can't benefit from the Dream Act. All of the students that would qualify are just as American as you and I - they know America's history, customs, and values. All that's missing is a stupid piece of paper stating they are citizens...
I'm sick of all this negativity...I want to help a very deserving group of kids. And by the way, it's not just Hispanics/Latinos, I know a student with a 4.0 GPA who wants to be a surgeon one day, sadly this student will find it difficult to study here because she is not legal - she's from Sri Lanka and has been here since she was 3 years old. That's just wrong...we need to help these kids.

Posted by: lap87
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So, we're supposed to "help" your students, but NOT the millions of American students like my niece, a recent college grad, who's struggling to find a job that pays enough to pay back her student loan? And what about my Mexican-American nephew who's working two jobs and studying to be a nurse? Remember--seats in nursing schools and community colleges are in short supply? Then, there are the 691,000 LEGAL foreign students in this county this year, a record number, who not only follow the laws of this country, but pay the full cost of their educations here? Now, just why can't YOUR students apply for a foreign student visa? And oh, by th way, this bill would reward slackers, etc. All you have to do is be willing to lie and present fraudulent documents and you get a work visa good for 10 years.

Posted by: Ali4 | December 13, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Whoa...I didn't realize how many individuals were against this act. I understand that there should be some type of enforced and effective regulation of our borders - no argument there. However, as someone who works in education it really breaks me when I have a student with a 3.9 GPA, excellent SAT scores, and a great work ethic who can't pay for an education at UCLA. I really don't care about the people that could come here because of this act to be honest - let's stop people from crossing our borders for all I care. What I really want is for students who have practically lived their whole lives in this country (and are already here)to get help. Remember, students have to complete two years of college or serve in the military - that means that Joe Blow down the street who isn't doing anything with this life can't benefit from the Dream Act. All of the students that would qualify are just as American as you and I - they know America's history, customs, and values. All that's missing is a stupid piece of paper stating they are citizens...
I'm sick of all this negativity...I want to help a very deserving group of kids. And by the way, it's not just Hispanics/Latinos, I know a student with a 4.0 GPA who wants to be a surgeon one day, sadly this student will find it difficult to study here because she is not legal - she's from Sri Lanka and has been here since she was 3 years old. That's just wrong...we need to help these kids.

Posted by: lap87
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So, we're supposed to "help" your students, but NOT the millions of American students like my niece, a recent college grad, who's struggling to find a job that pays enough to pay back her student loan? And what about my Mexican-American nephew who's working two jobs and studying to be a nurse? Remember--seats in nursing schools and community colleges are in short supply? Then, there are the 691,000 LEGAL foreign students in this county this year, a record number, who not only follow the laws of this country, but pay the full cost of their educations here? Now, just why can't YOUR students apply for a foreign student visa? And oh, by th way, this bill would reward slackers, etc. All you have to do is be willing to lie and present fraudulent documents and you get a work visa good for 10 years.

Posted by: Ali4 | December 13, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

The unstated assumption is that Hispanics (sorry) are united on this front. I see no evidence of this. As a Jew, I don't terribly want Jews entering this country illegally either. I doubt Hispanics (sorry) feel either way unanimously.

Perhaps you'd get more traction on this issue if the "dreamers" agreed, as a condition to getting citizenship this way, to forego family reunification visas for life.

Posted by: Nemo24601 | December 13, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

What a bunch of greedy folks. I'm American and it doesn't bother me to have a few extra working hands. One word for all who oppose it f&@k!$8. Can't belief how selfish pigs some of us are.
Posted by: Arome757
How about 2.1 million of them? Of course those “working hands” actually have their hand out for in-state college tuition and federal financial aid. And if it’s “greedy” and “selfish” to look out for the interests of AMERICAN children, well, just whose interests do you think illegal aliens are looking out for? THEIR OWN. And that’s usually at OUR expense. Tell you what. Since you seem like a charitable guy, YOU can provide scholarships for these DREAMERS to go to college out of your OWN pocket.

Posted by: Ali4 | December 13, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Like most of the people posting to this board, I am dead tired of invaders demanding a race-based or ethnic-based immunity from equal prosecution of the law. It's even worse when they start their list of demands with a statement that they will rise as a people if we don't pander to them.

Nobody's going to deny that Legal Immigrants are one of the main bases of the history of the USA. But you don't see the German-Americans demanding that they be allowed to drive drunk. You don't see the Italian-Americans demanding that everyone else should be taxed so that they can get free dental care. You don't see the Polish-Americans declaring that they will rise as a people unless the government declares Lech Walensa Day.

No, it's only the "hispanics" -- and most of the illegal invaders don't have much of the bloodlines of Spain in them, they're mostly Indigenous by blood -- who demand special treatment. What chutzpah! What enemy-creating bluster from a losing cause!

Somehow you seek to proclaim how American you are, by demanding special privileges such as ethnicity-based immunity from prosecution, something no Real American would demand. By your own words and demands you declare yourselves the enemy.

DREAM should not pass, as it would be a case of the government admitting total failure in its ability to control its borders and the interior. It's rank capitulation and a declaration that the US has abandoned even a pretense to Sovereignty. It would send a message to other countries that all they have to do to conquer the USA is to catapult tens of millions of unwanted babies at us. Or are you perhaps going to suggest that the illegal aliens are the children of other countries elites?

No, the illegal aliens who brought these children here, into a life of crime and danger, were the people who simply could not make it in their beloved homelands, and who were considered contemptible by their own nations, so much so that they were given nothing. Why should the US abandon its own Sovereignty to disadvantage its own citizens by caving in to the demands of a mass of illegal aliens whose organizations are controlled -- like as not -- by transnational organized crime and foreign intelligence services?

DREAM should not pass.

SURRENDER must not pass.

Posted by: thardman | December 13, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Let's put a little carrot mark between the Elephant and the Donkey and add Independent.

Now, speaking from the middle, if you are here legally, you have the President of the United States standing up for you. Why do you need a Latino MLK? You also have the Latino Caucus. Is there a Caucasian caucus?

Americans are NOT opposed to Latinos or any others here legally. Add the prefix "illegal" and you have the ire of most Americans. When you see construction crews that can't speak English, publicly funded projects with Illegals taking American jobs while Americans are unemployed, Americans are infuriated--as they should be.

We do have common ground in this article.We do need to enforce immigration and our borders. But, we are not "near the limit of immigrants" we are saturated.

Posted by: pepineagles | December 13, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

"You do know that our immigration policy since 1965 has FAVORED THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES due to family reunification."

That doesn't explain why a policy for family reunification would favor those countries and not others.

Posted by: Carstonio | December 13, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

The Dream Act is nothing more than indentured servitude.

Posted by: BradG | December 13, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

While it affects more than Latinos, let's be honest here. The law they want to pass could easily called the Illegal Latinos Bill and it is clearly an attempt to buy Latino votes.

Posted by: buggerianpaisley1 | December 13, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

My heart bleeds for the children of illegals. But I can't support something that was caused by an illegal action. I'm going to be honest, I don't know what to do with you! I know your illegal parents should be deported for sure!

Posted by: noneckmd | December 13, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Why don't you liberals come out and admit how you see illegal aliens--as unregistered Dummocrats. I dare one of you libs to tell me that's not the case.

Posted by: kbarker302 | December 13, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Our tolerance will destroy us.

Posted by: mlbduffy | December 13, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Actually, you liberals who are all about social justice and what not, are you telling me that coming here illegally--emphasis on illegal--is ok with you? That we shouldn't have borders or immigration laws? Or if your only option to get in is illegally, then that's ok? Help me understand the "nuance" of your position. I know I'm asking the impossible, because any lib response invariably will be with a strawman, or some kind of deflection, or answering a question with a question. If you're a lib and you're honest, your answers to my three questions are "Yes", "Yes", and "Yes".

Posted by: kbarker302 | December 13, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

This artice sounds like a threat - not a way to talk to American people, has opposite effect

Posted by: Ilya3 | December 13, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

This artice sounds like a threat - not a way to talk to American people, has opposite effect

Posted by: Ilya3 | December 13, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

In no other country would such a move be contemplated. It is the illegal parents doing this to their children and completely lax standards by schools and employers. Having worked with people who are here legitimately, through a long, difficult and sometimes disappointing process, I find this kind of amnesty so unfair to those who do it the right way. Oh, and here's the big takeaway message: You don't always get what you want. You can demand that everything be in Spanish and English, a thousand miles from the border, and demand free healthcare and foodstamps and everything else--including amnesty--but that doesn't mean you are going to get that. America is a land of opportunity; it's not the granter of your every wish. America is also a land of laws. I used to consider myself liberal but the new age liberals are just living in fantasy land.

Posted by: Beckola | December 13, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

"You do know that our immigration policy since 1965 has FAVORED THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES due to family reunification."

That doesn't explain why a policy for family reunification would favor those countries and not others.

Posted by: Carstonio
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Sure it does. People in third world countries tend to have LARGER families. So, Juan comes to this country illegally, leaving behind his parents, 10 brothers and sisters--and his wife with their 3 kids. Juan gets amnesty in 1986. Juan can immediately sponsor his wife and kids to come here as legal immigrants just by having a green card. If Juan manages to get citizenship quickly (5 year minimum), then by 1992, Juan is able to sponsor his parents who can come pretty quickly, as well as each of his 10 brothers and sisters WITH THEIR families (although if mom and dad come and become citizens, they can sponsor their other kids. That's quicker). In short, with chain migration a whole extended family can move here. It's also the reason why countries such as Mexico and the Phillipines have longer waits for visas and can't participate in the diversity lottery--we already have lots of legal immigrants from those countries and lots of people applying for visas.

Posted by: Ali4 | December 13, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

You have not come out and directly threatened the American citizen or legal immigrants.


Why don't you take out a full page in a few major newspapers and threaten us next--would love to see what happens if you do.

Posted by: PennyWisetheClown | December 13, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I will be much more basic than some. You can not support the "Dream act" and be for securing the borders and inforceing American laws. It is impossible because the "Dream act" is rewarding criminal behavior.

It is criminal, breaking our Law to come to America without permission. It is invading, not immigrating.

I would like to see comprehinsive immigration reform to read as such. The borders will be secured first while we also track down and arrest ALL illegal border invaders. All illegal border invaders will be jailed for 1 year in a prision work farm ran by Sherif Joe. No pay to illegal border invaders and hard labor on very basic food such as road killed deer and only water to drink.

Then, after the 365 day hard labor imprisonment they would be returned to what ever country they came from but returned to the furthest border of their country from America. We must make it hurt to invade America.

The "Dream act" is a gift to reward violating our country.

America allows more legal immigration to our country every year than any other country on the planet, 6 million a year legally. We should make jumping the line and invading our country a very very painful crime.

Posted by: markandbeth92 | December 13, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

"In short, with chain migration a whole extended family can move here."

Can you provide documentation of that policy? I don't have a position on the question of amnesty. My main concern is with Hispanics being characterized as overbreeders who either loaf on public assistance or take jobs from non-Hispanics. In real life, when I hear people use that characterization when talking about illegal immigration, these are the same people who use Nixonian Southern Strategy terms like "welfare class" and "people who don't want to work." The same ones who complain about hearing customers speak Spanish in Walmart or Target as if it's their God-given right to live in an English-only environment. I don't call that racism, I call that resentment. If the concern is really about citizens being deprived of jobs by illegals, then it would make much more sense to focus the concern on the employers who won't hire citizens.

Posted by: Carstonio | December 13, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

If this Nightmare Act is approved there will be 2 million less American kids going to college over the next several years because the democrats want to give those slots to illegal aliens.

However we American citizens do get one thing out of it... the bill. Yup the democrats want the American taxpayer to subsidize their education while cheating our American kids.

The Nightmare Act has no cap, no end-date and no enforcement. It's simply a "mass ongoing amnesty". In the future any foreign family with a school age child can sneak in the country and enroll their child in school to obtain automatic citizenship.

Why do some democrats hate American kids so much???

Do not punish innocent American kids because of the criminal actions of illegal aliens.


Posted by: hunter340 | December 13, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

I like Mexico's policy on illegal immigrants who invade their borders: deport them, no if's ands or buts!

Posted by: VastRightWingConspirator | December 13, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

legal_immigration: "Obviously ICE won't be seeking to deport the parents of, say, a 4th grader Dream Act applicant."

I'd hope not - if you can find a 4th grader who has finished two years of college, I think we want to keep him. Maybe you should find out what you're objecting to before you start arguing...

Posted by: DavidSeibert | December 13, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Illegal means illegal.

And yes, we're pretty well sick and tired of Latinos overruning our boarder.

Ronald Reagan grated amnesty to 6,000,000 Latinos, and that number has now doubled to 12,000,000.

When you're talking about 12,000,000 Latinos, that's NOT immigration, that's an invasion.

There really has to be a limit set somewhere.


Posted by: lindalovejones | December 13, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

NO to the dream act. ILLEGAL immingrants just going to college should not be a reason to grant US Citizenship, instead; Why not allow all ILLEGAL (and not just Hispanics) immigrants (males and females 18 to 42 of age) to serve in the Army or Marines for a minimum of four years. Since they want to enjoy the many opportunities in America, let’s allow some of them to protect it. This will enhance our shortage of new military personnel to both relieve present assigned and to replace those that have completed their tours.
Allow ILLEGAL immigrants that have some level of English to understand simple instructions to serve in the military, in combat and non-combat jobs.. After they pass the background check, physical and mental tests, they will take immerse English courses while in boot camp and throughout their four years tour. They will also have to study the requirements for citizenship during their tour of duty. After completing four years or more of service and receive a honorable discharge, they can immediate apply and receive citizenship. Their ILLEGAL wife and children will also be allowed to become a US citizen, If they pass the background check, (which should be performed during the three years)
a. If the illegal immigrants are not married, they can elect to include their mother and father, or any two of their sister or brother under the ages of 18, or any combination of two. .

Posted by: SteveLC | December 13, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

You are exactly right.....WE DONT WANT YOU HERE!!

Posted by: DCNATIVESON6192000 | December 13, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

I left California because the Community and State Colleges and Universities have become overrun with illegal aliens and anchor babies. Because of their special status, they receive grant money and loan from a bankrupt state.

These folks have displaced American Citizens and Leal Residents, who have stood in line and waited their turn.

Let these people go back to their point of origin and do the same. While you're at it, ship the parents back, too.

Once there was a requirement that ALL immigrants must learn ENGLISH. The immigrant must not be a "charge" on society for 10 years.

Using California as an experimental lab, these objectives have failed.

Ship these folks out, via deportation. The sheepskin they receive is useless, since they don't have the paperwork for I-9 purposes.

In fact, let's I-9 ALL STUDENTS and their parents, at the school, to ensure compliance and avoid somebody's "Wet Dream" ruined, by those who are citizens or are here legally.

Posted by: Computer_Forensics_Expert_Computer_Expert_Witness | December 13, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

"In short, with chain migration a whole extended family can move here."

Can you provide documentation of that policy? I don't have a position on the question of amnesty. My main concern is with Hispanics being characterized as overbreeders who either loaf on public assistance or take jobs from non-Hispanics. In real life, when I hear people use that characterization when talking about illegal immigration, these are the same people who use Nixonian Southern Strategy terms like "welfare class" and "people who don't want to work." The same ones who complain about hearing customers speak Spanish in Walmart or Target as if it's their God-given right to live in an English-only environment. I don't call that racism, I call that resentment. If the concern is really about citizens being deprived of jobs by illegals, then it would make much more sense to focus the concern on the employers who won't hire citizens.

Posted by: Carstonio
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Check the 1965 law, one that Sen. Edward Kennedy sponsored and that he promised would NOT change the ethnic make up of this country.

Check immigration figures in the Statistical Abstract of the U.S.

Check the USCIS website to see the rules for green cards and sponsoring relatives.

And check the birth rates in countries such as the Philippines and Mexico. The latter is decreasing NOW; in fact, illegal aliens here are having more kids than they do even in their home countries. Note that the average number of kids in a Mexican household during the 1970s, for example, was about SEVEN. These are the people who would be coming to the U.S. illegally and who would be amnestied in 1986.

"While the median age of all U.S. residents is 33 years, the median age of Mexican Americans is 24 years, which makes them the youngest Hispanic group. In fact, 71 percent of the Mexican-American population is under 35, compared to 54 percent of the U.S. population as a whole (U.S. Census Bureau, 1990). Moreover, the average size of the Mexican-American household is, at 4.1 persons, the largest among all Hispanic groups. This figure is nearly one person higher than the average for the non-Hispanic white population (U.S. Census Bureau, 1990)."

Posted by: Ali4 | December 13, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

you are exactly right......we want you to leave

Posted by: DCNATIVESON6192000 | December 13, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Everyone has opinions. What is going to be interesting is when this has passed and the Latino "invasion" is no longer considered a negative and are a welcomed and cherished part of our society. If one culture and race could sum up the exact meaning of what it means to be walking in a daily life with God, Latinos value of family, friends, fun, church, food, life, respect, work....the list goes on. I personally cannot wait until the Latinos are living as accepted neighbors and I think that they will be an excellent example for the people especially commentors who would like them removed because they may be wanting materialistic values of the life Golden

Posted by: RaquelMag | December 13, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

The same ones who complain about hearing customers speak Spanish in Walmart or Target as if it's their God-given right to live in an English-only environment. I don't call that racism, I call that resentment.
---------Part and parcel of Americans being told that not only are they supposed to provide SERVICES to illegal aliens in Spanish and other langauges (translations we taxpayers pay for) but also that WE are supposed to learn Spanish to accommodate them. How happy would Mexicans be if Americans come to their country (and I'm sure they do) and expect Mexicans to speak English? To provide English-language schools for the Mexican-Americans who are being sent back there with their families who are here illegally?

If the concern is really about citizens being deprived of jobs by illegals, then it would make much more sense to focus the concern on the employers who won't hire citizens.
------------And guess who's fighting making employers accountable? THIS ADMINSTRATION along with groups such as LaRaza, the SEIU, AFL-CIO, and the ACLU. All because if employers don't hire illegal aliens, then it's harder for illegal aliens to stay here. These groups have allied with the U.S. Chamber of Commerce to oppose mandatory use of eVerify and SS no match letters.

Posted by: Carstonio

Posted by: Ali4 | December 13, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Everyone has opinions. What is going to be interesting is when this has passed and the Latino "invasion" is no longer considered a negative and are a welcomed and cherished part of our society. If one culture and race could sum up the exact meaning of what it means to be walking in a daily life with God, Latinos value of family, friends, fun, church, food, life, respect, work....the list goes on. I personally cannot wait until the Latinos are living as accepted neighbors and I think that they will be an excellent example for the people especially commentors who would like them removed because they may be wanting materialistic values of the life Golden

Then why are the countries these people come from not towers of prosperity and peace. From what I see, they are running from them, not toward them. Take your sanctimonious treble and flush it down the toilet where it belongs.

Posted by: Edie3 | December 13, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

If only a slap in the face would get our message across.

There shouldn't ever be any reward for illegal immigration, and why on Earth politicians want to grant amnesty to MILLIONS of illegals is just plain crazy.

If Latinos are such wonderful people, why on Earth don't they take their own country and make it better instead of invading our country?

No to the nightmore called "The Dream Act"!

Posted by: lindalovejones | December 13, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Everyone has opinions. What is going to be interesting is when this has passed and the Latino "invasion" is no longer considered a negative and are a welcomed and cherished part of our society. If one culture and race could sum up the exact meaning of what it means to be walking in a daily life with God, Latinos value of family, friends, fun, church, food, life, respect, work....the list goes on. I personally cannot wait until the Latinos are living as accepted neighbors and I think that they will be an excellent example for the people especially commentors who would like them removed because they may be wanting materialistic values of the life Golden

Posted by: RaquelMag
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Raquel, you don't have to wait. You can head to Mexico and see the heaven on earth that you describe there--NOT.

Fact is, if the qualities you describe are so common in Latinos and so desirable, then one would think that their countries would reflect that, wouldn't you? Yet, Latinos are so dissatisfied with their homecountries that they'd prefer to come here for those "materialistic values" that you think only AMERICANS have. The Pew Hispanic Center, for example, found that most Mexicans who came here illegally were not the poorest of Mexico's poor, but ones who had had jobs there but wanted "more".

Posted by: Ali4 | December 13, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

I came to the United States from France in 1950 with a green card and was naturalized in due course, graduated from Yale, served four years as an active duty officer with the U.S. Navy, went on to get a law degree from the University of Virginia and have recently retired after a full career in private and corporate law practice.

In my opinion, the Dream Act is a generally good idea but should not pass. This opinion is in no way a reflection of any negative feeling towards latinos. I have none, none at all.

First, the federal government has no business and should not impose unfunded burdens on the states such as requiring that Dream Act beneficiaries be treated as "in state" for state college tuition purposes. That decision should be left up to the states, particularly in this time of budget crisis for so many of them.

Second, I question (actually, more than question, oppose) making mere attendance at a two-year college (or, for that matter, four year college) a trigger for amnesty. Such attendance (or even graduation) is a good thing but it principally benefits the student and is not a sacrifice of any kind. Native born or legal immigrants do not receive any government benefit or amnesty on any kind for such attendance or graduation and I see no justification for undocumented individuals doing so.

I have no problem at all with having honorable completion of an enlistment (of at least 3-4 years) in the military be such a trigger. I would be willing to consider completion of a four year degree (particularly if followed by some period of "public service" of some kind or graduate school) a trigger for otherwise qualifying individuals who can prove having been rejected for military service for a reason not connected to some malfeasance on their part.

Third, I would not support any "Dream Act" that did not EXCLUDE those acquiring legal residence or citizenship from using "family reunification" provisions of the immigration laws to
legalize (1) the very people (presumably in most cases their parents) responsible for their being here illegally in the first place and (2) siblings or other family members illegally in the United States and either (a) not themselves eligible for Dream Act amnesty or (b) eligible but declining, for whatever reason, to qualify on their own.

Finally, I would require that any dream act have realistically airtight provisions (1) making it very difficult for someone not actually qualifying under the act to fraudulently obtain or seek amnesty under its provision and (2) making it a crime and absolute disqualification for life from citizenship (even if actually obtained) and even residence to engage or assist in such fraud.

Pierre Canu
Boone NC

Posted by: PierreCanu | December 13, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Edward, I don't think you're hearing us.

It's an intentionally insult, a slap in the face, an insult, and everything else you want to call it.

Now, please, don't go away mad, just go on back home to your own country!

If we could, we'd push you all right back across the boarder where you came from.

Get it?


Posted by: lindalovejones | December 13, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Everyone has opinions. What is going to be interesting is when this has passed and the Latino "invasion" is no longer considered a negative and are a welcomed and cherished part of our society. If one culture and race could sum up the exact meaning of what it means to be walking in a daily life with God, Latinos value of family, friends, fun, church, food, life, respect, work....the list goes on. I personally cannot wait until the Latinos are living as accepted neighbors and I think that they will be an excellent example for the people especially commentors who would like them removed because they may be wanting materialistic values of the life Golden

Okay, then why don't you go to their countries. You'll be surrounded by them then. Hey try to find a job too. Go to a hospital and try to get free medical help, talk all the english you want and then demand you get everything explained to you in english. I am sure they will welcome you with open arms. Of course we will find your broken and dead body south of the border in a few weeks. Hugs and kisses to the family by the way!

Posted by: Edie3 | December 13, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Folks, we need to fight this so called Dream Act with all we have. Talk to your friends, family, and even legal immigrants. Let the legal immigrants know that you are all for them getting more help provided they are law abiding. Let them know that illegal immigrants are making it harder for them and nothing but cheats to the immigration system. They will use anything and anyone, even their children to get U.S. citizenship. These people are our enemy. A wolf in sheep's clothes.

Posted by: Edie3 | December 13, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

The Dream Act in its present form would allow illegal Muslim students to become fully naturalized citizens like "Mohamed Osman Mohamud, 19, a naturalized U.S. citizen from Somalia and resident of Corvallis, Ore., (who was)... arrested on charges of attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction (explosives) in connection with a plot to detonate a vehicle bomb at an annual Christmas tree lighting ceremony earlier this evening in Portland, Ore., the Justice Department announced" a week ago this December.
Now some Muslim American and Arab groups claim that this was FBI sting entrapment, but what was the FBI to do? Let this college student immigrant figure out a way to blow up innocent Americans? And are the Secret Service and FBI not to pre-empt other criminals like the Somali college student----peradventure, to let illegal resident Mexican and South American students acting as drug cartel couriers,many of them waiting on a Dream Act passage to give them full US citizenship protections here, or the ones already legalized who pass back and forth across our Rio Grande border with weapons and drug money, and claim their rights are being violated by FBI stings to protect the rest of us?
Congress ought to oppose a Dream Act for citizenship to illegal student residents like the Somali student terrorist and potential drug cartel couriers, hit men, and dealers among the illegal students waiting for a Congressional blanket US citizenship amnesty.
No welcome to illegal aliens here!

Posted by: thedefendantX | December 13, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

mcolon61:

"My children were born in PR and because of that they can not cpme to this country"

"Yes My mother is from PR my dad Italian, Born and raised in NY. All we hispanics look for is for what the Constitution states. freedom. Country of opportunities. And Ill dream of becoming An American Citizen"

You're either an imbecile or a pathological liar or both.

I too was born in New York City. I grew up with, and have a lot of, Puerto Rican friends. I'd guess half were born in PR and half in the US mainland. Every one of them are US Citizens, regardless of where they were born and every one of them knows it. How is it that you don't.

Go to

http://www.topuertorico.org/history5.shtml

Scroll down to 1940.

mcolon61, Read a little, learn some history. Now, where are you really from?

Posted by: rcubedkc | December 13, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

So what do we do with the 90% of latino kids in gangs and and high school drop outs? If we accept the ones that are doing "good" do we get to ship the bad one back?

Posted by: DCNATIVESON6192000 | December 13, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Why does WaPo publish this garbage??? There's at LEAST 30 million illegals in the U.S. and MOST of them are hispanic. I don't care if there are other illegal nationals because they should ALL BE DEPORTED!!!!

Posted by: TooManyPeople | December 13, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Unbelievable! You miss the whole point of "illegal", and you try to use the Latino community as your false base. With your twisted logic, we either support illegal immigration AND the Latino community, or we oppose the Latino people in this country if we oppose illegals in our midst.

I suggest you re-make your argument, if you support the DREAM Act. By rewarding ANY illegal in this country - student or not!! - you undermine the work and investment and pride in anyone who has crossed our borders legally after applying for the known process of becoming a citizen.

Your extremely specious and contrived and biased article insults any true American, born here, naturalized here, or applying for a real study or work or tourist visa.

Let the illegal DREAMers continue to dream, let them realize an education is a step toward better citizenship, no matter where they might wind up living in future. Let them leave NOW and return only legally. Let them free up classroom space and housing and employment much-needed by legal Americans. Let them return when they understand the responsibility involved with living within the legal construct of America, and let them then enjoy the bright light of living freely - LEGALLY!!!!

But, mark my words and my feelings, you do a grave injustice to America and its already-adopted and already-intact immigration policies and programs with your DREAM article.

Better you would take off on the dolts in Washington and the Homeland Security idiots who have only built a few miles of the new "Tortilla Curtain" and who have bilked the American taxpayers with promises and non-production of securing our borders, north, south, east and west.

Let anyone who wants to work or study or live here LEGALLY, apply and go through the process - LEGALLY

Your liberal and rash and wrong ramblings deserve no publication whatsoever. You typify the kind of thinking that endorses illegality and does not hold our federal politicians to the point of the pin for not having performed their duties for more than 40 years. Prick them, not us!

Where is your article on mass deportation of all illegals - as has been done in least 2 massive campaigns in the past, when military returned from defending America's rights and liberties? At least 2 presidents have seen fit to kick illegal butts out of this country.

Shame on you for using the Latino "trump card" - you divide America even further when we are supposed to be living in a melting pot of brotherly and sisterly love and compassion and welcome. The Statue cries out not for the illegal teeming homeless tempest tossed; it cries out for the legal applicants who embrace America and all that it stands for, including the laws of this nation.

Try your skills at inviting America's illegals to some other host nation, ok?

Posted by: stansmithbishop | December 13, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

DREAM ACT - 10-YEAR WORK PERMITS (What our corrupt politicians and MSM are not telling you)

1. Application: The DREAM amnesty begins with illegal aliens filling out applications. They merely have to claim — not provide evidence — that they meet criteria of having been brought to the U.S. before age 16 and being under the age of 30 at time of enactment and being present in the U.S. at least 5 years before enactment of the amnesty, among other criteria.

2. Work Permits Given: Upon filing the application, the illegal aliens are given a 10-year work permit to compete directly with the 22 million Americans who want a full-time job but can’t find one.

Estimates suggest that up to 2 million illegal aliens could legitimately qualify for the opening application, and perhaps a couple million more might be or look young enough to fraudulently apply.

Those millions would immediately be able to legally compete for any U.S. job...

Posted by: fury60 | December 13, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

two4three2
" 'If Senate Republicans kill the Dream Act, I and many millions of Hispanics will take it as a slap in the face'
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Really? I'm half-Hispanic and I am against the DREAM Act. It's awfully presumptious of you to say you speak for me! Also, Sir, are you really so ignorant that you think all illegal aliens are of Hispanic descent?"

Exactly right, my friend! Who in the world is ignorant enough not to know that scores of known middle-east terrorists have entered the U.S. via Mexico? If we allow everybody to simply enter and exit through the Mexican/U.S. border as they please, we might as well flush every bit of security personnel and equipment we have.

Regardless of race, who doesn't understand the word "ILLEGAL"??? The law is protect Americans and applies to ALL races. If you want to come to our country and make us learn YOUR language and culture instead of you learning OURS, go back home; we don't need you. It's nice to have pride in one's heritage, but an America citizen CANNOT be a "hyphenated American (Chinese-American, African-America, etc.,etc.)." Your loyalties are to one country or the other. In your citizenship vows you avow that you are forsaking your loyalty to your former country. If you don't understand THAT, I wonder who's reading this post to you...

Posted by: flipper49 | December 13, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

If the Dream Act legislation passes, we the U.S. citizens are doomed. Most Hispanics haven't assimilated into U.S. culture because many continue not to learn English after living here for years. They don't have to learn to speak English because the U.S., States, and municipalities have pandered to the large groups of Spanish speakers coming from South America, Central America, Mexico, Cuba, and the Dominican Republic by printing documents in Spanish. If I call both my banks, SunTrust and Wachovia, I have to press 1 for English. This is madness. Salvadoran/Central American and Mexican women continue to have babies in the Unites States purposely by the millions to make these babies U.S. citizens. The U.S. is going down the toilet rapidly with the influx of poor uneducated Salvadorans/Mexicans and others into the United States. Many of these people live like animals in their native countries and urinate and defecate in public.

I am a registered life long Democrat, but I don't support the "Dream Act".

Posted by: CaptainKangaroo | December 13, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

If this Nightmare Act is approved there will be 2 million less American kids going to college over the next several years because the democrats want to give those slots to illegal aliens.

However we American citizens do get one thing out of it... the bill. Yup the democrats want the American taxpayer to subsidize their education while cheating our American kids.

The Nightmare Act has no cap, no end-date and no enforcement. It's simply a "mass ongoing amnesty". In the future any foreign family with a school age child can sneak in the country and enroll their child in school to obtain automatic citizenship.

Why do some democrats hate American kids so much???

Do not punish innocent American kids because of the criminal actions of illegal aliens.


Posted by: hunter340 | December 13, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

If the Dream Act legislation passes, we the U.S. citizens are doomed. Most Hispanics haven't assimilated into U.S. culture because many continue not to learn English after living here for years. They don't have to learn to speak English because the U.S., States, and municipalities have pandered to the large groups of Spanish speakers coming from South America, Central America, Mexico, Cuba, and the Dominican Republic by printing documents in Spanish. If I call both my banks, SunTrust and Wachovia, I have to press 1 for English. This is madness. Salvadoran/Central American and Mexican women continue to have babies in the Unites States purposely by the millions to make these babies U.S. citizens. The U.S. is going down the toilet rapidly with the influx of poor uneducated Salvadorans/Mexicans and others into the United States. Many of these people live like animals in their native countries and urinate and defecate in public.

I am a registered life long Democrat, but I don't support the "Dream Act".

Posted by: CaptainKangaroo


We are only doomed if we do not fight this. Illegal immigrants had my sympathy at first, but no more. They can starve for all I care. You can be sure they will not be as generous with us as we have been with them. They won't be able to. They will use up every available resource to take care of themselves.

Posted by: Edie3 | December 13, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

yes sir, you are correct that this bill will effect more than latino's. it will effect americans of all races.would you be so quick to defend mexico if millions of s. americans showed up wanting to be taken care of while they drive drunk without liscense or insurance, commit idenity theft, lower the wages for legal workers and send approx. 5 billion a year back home to save for retirement. not to mention that they will drown the healthcare and public school systems. it's a slap to the face of anyone who came here legally and is tring to become an american citizen, not just live off us.

Posted by: blinwilly | December 13, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

I have my own Dream about our Latino brothers. It is that eventually they will realize that way too many folks here in the US do not welcome them. Ignoring their contributions to our economy and philosophy, these right-wing Norteamericanos just want the Latinos to leave. "What is it you don't understand about 'Illegal Immigrant?" they ask. Those of us who ask in reply "What is it you don't understand about 'Send me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore' or 'inasmuch as you do this to the least of these, my children, you do it also unto me.' " receive no reply.

In my dream, the reaction starts in New England or perhaps the northern Midwest, the coldest regions in the US. One December day, a few hundred Latinos just take to the highways, on foot, and start walking Southwest. "You don't welcome us here. OK, we are leaving."

As each day passes, and TV coverage increases, more Latinos join the migration. The hundreds become thousands, walking and talking, singing at times, they move onward. People like me, their friends and brothers, at fist try to dissuade them, then decide to just help them along the way. We bring food, provide shelter at night, encourage them on the way.

By March first, millions of Latinos are walking the highways toward Southern California. Some are arrested for obstructing traffic. Most just continue. "Where are you going?" the TV crews ask. "Home" is the most frequent reply.

By April, the Mexican government is aroused, in a panic. They see the possibility that 12 million people will arrive in San Diego and flood across the border. What will they do with them? At the same time, the Gringos in the towns and cities they have abandoned realize the tremendous contributions they were making before they left. It is impossible to operate a lawn-care service, a fast-food restaurant, a painting service...90% of their willing workers are gone. Grocery stores and filling stations are going broke. The Red Cross, the Unitarian Church, thousands of volunteers are helping them along the way.

It soon becomes obvious that, though there was never a plan, the huge mobs have a common purpose: Arrive at the Mexican border on El Cinco de Mayo.

That is as far as my dream goes. Except that I fully intend to be in San Diego when they arrive, cheering and shooting fireworks in the air.

Posted by: AlbertoelGringo | December 13, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Why focus any time, energy and money on anyone who is here illegally?

If it's really so important to you, write a personal check for it and feel better.

Posted by: AlongTheWatchTowers | December 13, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Schumacher (I'm sure the Matos was added for effect for this article),

There are laws governing immigration into this country. Are those laws only in effect for people from certain countries and not from others (i.e. Haiti, Mexico)? Sob stories should not circumvent the law, granted I feel for the citizens of Mexico.

Why do I have such a strong stance on this principle? Like many others, I am a hard working American that is currently struggling and do not feel it's right to support someone who has no right to be here in the first place because it's the "right thing to do" or the media will drool over the photo ops. I am also a first generation American, meaning my family came to this country LEGALLY, and jumped through the hooped they needed to over the course of 20+ years. I've also had family DENIED entry into the country that I serve. It's complicated enough assuring that the LEGAL citizens of our country are properly cared for, so perhaps it's better to wait until a time when we are better equipped, have extra resources to care for people who ILLEGALLY enter.

Posted by: jonnymedic | December 13, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Illegal means illegal. You can cry, you can threaten, you can scream at the top of your lungs, but illegal means illegal. America can't afford to pay for other nations' lower classes. Arizona understands this, Texas is figuring it out, Virginia will too. The Democratic party may or may not mine Hispanic votes while keeping the issue in stasis, but on the overall issue of Amnesty vs. rule of law, it's obvious which way things are moving.

Posted by: seenitallnow1 | December 13, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Quite frankly I could care less if you view it as a slap in the face. I have viewed it as a slap in the face that you or your parents ignored our laws and have been here as long as you have been. In addition I resent that you now act as though illegals have rights and demand that this stupid act be passed. They are criminals, they have and continue to break the laws of this country daily. It is my desire that they pack up and leave the country and then apply to legally enter the country and obtain citizenship. Thank you all in advance for your cooperation in this matter.

Posted by: 2012anewstart | December 13, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Schumaker-Matos, do you really want Americans to embrace a concept such as the DREAM Act? Then do this FIRST: Join the cause to build a fence and keep out any more illegal aliens! Not just along the Mexican border, but along the Canadian border, too.

Then, make sure that anyone granted a visa to visit the United States must be sponsored by an American citizen and a bond must be posted, with additional monetary and perhaps criminal liability to the American citizen if the alien remains illegally beyond the allotted time.

Next, deport any aliens, including non-citizen Legal Permanent Residents, who have committed felonies here in the US (other than being illegal).

Once all those things happen, I guarantee that the vast majority of those now opposed to the DREAM Act will endorse it.

You see, few people want to stitch up the wound before they stop the bleeding.

Posted by: IThePerson | December 13, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

The DREAM ACT has merit, but not as a flawed, stand alone bill. Without securing the border, schools will once again fill with illegal children that continue to stream into this country. We will have to pardon that bunch as well. Don't think for a minute that this will be a one-time offer.

Also, DREAM will become a pseudo-immunity program for 1,000,000 students as well as their parents and siblings. By offering the program, DHS is inferring no reprisals to the students' families. Therefore, this may very well protect 4,000,000 illegal immigrants.

Finally, qualifications are now watered down to 2 years of schooling within 10 years. No degree is required. On-line diploma mills, adult ed classes and trade schools will do a booming business. This bill is just a Reid political payoff.

Congress needs to take it's time and do things right. DREAM needs to address prevention of new families trespassing as well as offering relief to existing students.

Posted by: FutureView2010 | December 13, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

By April, the Mexican government is aroused, in a panic. They see the possibility that 12 million people will arrive in San Diego and flood across the border. What will they do with them? At the same time, the Gringos in the towns and cities they have abandoned realize the tremendous contributions they were making before they left. It is impossible to operate a lawn-care service, a fast-food restaurant, a painting service...90% of their willing workers are gone. Grocery stores and filling stations are going broke. The Red Cross, the Unitarian Church, thousands of volunteers are helping them along the way.
--------Oh, please. You haven't lived in the Midwest have you. One of my former students, a White guy, ran a lawn service and if he was fool enough to base his business on cheap, illegal labor that the rest of us subsidized, too bad. If lawns need to be cut or toilets need to be cleaned and it's "too expensive", then we may find out that "lazy" Americans aren't so lazy after all. Who knows? We may even lose a few pounds.

And grocery stores and filling stations will hardly go broke. Fact is, with more than 15 millon AMERICANS out of work, that puts far greater downward pressure on a broader range of businesses. After all, people who are out of work cut back on all but the most essential purchases, including fast food.

By the way, I bet that plenty of charitable organizations, such as pantries, are ALREADY "helping" illegal aliens, only to STAY here. This despite the high demand among Americans for those services.

Posted by: AlbertoelGringo |

Posted by: Ali4 | December 13, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

two4three2
" 'If Senate Republicans kill the Dream Act, I and many millions of Hispanics will take it as a slap in the face'
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Yeah, you and Rep. Luis Gutierrez. What are you going to do, now that the Nightmare Act didn't pass? Go back to your point of origin?

The world still needs ditch-diggers, bus boys and taco vendors.

The definition of comprehensive immigration reform is to:

I-9 ALL STUDENTS and their parents.

Deportation, within 24 hours after a hearing before an Immigration Officer.

Secure the borders.

Let's make it happen, folks.

Posted by: Computer_Forensics_Expert_Computer_Expert_Witness | December 13, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Enough racial politics. I can't believe the Post prints crap like this based on race identity politics. that may be the way our two corrupt parties work but it's not going to enable Amnesty for illegal immigrants - that boat has sailed. Let's enforce the law even if a majority of 9% of voters are upset about it. Let's treat people equally.

Posted by: seenitallnow1 | December 13, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

I hate to get involved, but how exactly is sending all of your earnings to another country good for our economy?

Posted by: nmoses | December 13, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Computer_Forensics --- I noticed you attached my screen-name to Schumacher-Matos's quote. For the record, I am against the so-called DREAM Act.

As far as I'm concerned, Schumacher-Matos prefers to remain willfully ignorant. I'm also willing to be that the "Matos" part of his last name is his mother's maiden name which he insists on hyphenating to his father's surname to prove to all the invasion cheerleaders/pro-amnesty nuts that he is fully "Latino" and on their side. He fears that if he went solely by his father's surname, no one would believe he's "Latino". That's so pathetic!

Posted by: two4three2 | December 13, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Ya, that is why there are so many LATINO GANGS, drug dealers, human traffickers and drunks with a high hit and run average.
I also do not agree with supporting any ILLEGAL INVADER with money for college while Americans are having trouble paying for their kids to go to College. If you like the USA so much WHY DO YOU NOT FIGHT LIKE OUR FOREFATHERS TO CHANGE YOUR COUNTRY? You just want to come here and do as you please. Your Government does not want us to send any of your criminals back to Mexico as they want US TO DEAL WITH YOUR PROBLEMS.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2010/sep/mexico-asks-u-s-stop-deporting-serious-criminals

You and alot of others DEMAND TO BE MADE CITIZENS yet you came here ILLEGALLY. Just as if my Grandfather robbed a bank and gave me the money I would not be able to keep that money. Why when you and/or your parents came here by breaking our laws should you or they be allowed to stay? Oh, now you really want to follow our laws. I forgot.
No job, no rent, no driving and they will all go home willingly at no cost to us.

Posted by: pleazzer | December 13, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

If this bill passes, 307 million Americans will take a slap in the face!

The sovereignty of our country is being sold out by these AMNESTY CONSPIRATORS who are willing to sell us out to foreign nationals for a few pieces of political silver!

This Dream Act has no limits and will open the borders to all ILLEGAL INVADERS and could very well lead to another civil war!

The AMNESTY POLITICIANS care nothing for rule of law ofr the AMERICAN PEOPLE, only their political profits.
They are TRAITORS!

Posted by: TexRancher | December 13, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Americans want people to play by the rules. When illegal aliens demonstrate and get arrested for protesting because they want Congress to pass a law putting their illegal alien selves at the front of the line for citizenship we balk. We also balk at the lack of controls in the so-called Dream Act, where a fraudulent application cannot result in a deportation, and a successful applicant can then sponsor his illegal immigrant parents.

Posted by: exnavyemo1 | December 13, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

I am a 31 year old undocumented immigrant who takes care of his permanent resident mother. I work as a legal assistant to a sole practitioner attorney in Washington DC. Together, we help people from different racial backgrounds to keep their homes in these difficult times.

I ain't going to qualify for the Dream Act. But, I know this to be universal: the most important thing about a man is his character. I believed in America. I prospered and became a fighter of justice. And, I do not give a darn whether you love me or not. Every day, I thank God that I am doing what I love the most and in the process I am helping distressed people.

Papers, green cards, passports and money are nothing but that...papers. I suffered with other fellow citizens when we went through difficult economic times. I got angry when the trade center was brought down by those coward attacks. So, I love America and a bunch of good for nothing are not going to change my mind. And, even if I get deported. I will never say bad things about America. I may say crap about some people. But, I will never say anything bad about America because America gave me everything I have now.

Thanks.

Posted by: Carrick319 | December 13, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

I have my own Dream about our Latino brothers. It is that eventually they will realize that way too many folks here in the US do not welcome them. Ignoring their contributions to our economy and philosophy, these right-wing Norteamericanos just want the Latinos to leave. "What is it you don't understand about 'Illegal Immigrant?" they ask. Those of us who ask in reply "What is it you don't understand about 'Send me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore' or 'inasmuch as you do this to the least of these, my children, you do it also unto me.' " receive no reply.

In my dream, the reaction starts in New England or perhaps the northern Midwest, the coldest regions in the US. One December day, a few hundred Latinos just take to the highways, on foot, and start walking Southwest. "You don't welcome us here. OK, we are leaving."

As each day passes, and TV coverage increases, more Latinos join the migration. The hundreds become thousands, walking and talking, singing at times, they move onward. People like me, their friends and brothers, at fist try to dissuade them, then decide to just help them along the way. We bring food, provide shelter at night, encourage them on the way.

By March first, millions of Latinos are walking the highways toward Southern California. Some are arrested for obstructing traffic. Most just continue. "Where are you going?" the TV crews ask. "Home" is the most frequent reply.

By April, the Mexican government is aroused, in a panic. They see the possibility that 12 million people will arrive in San Diego and flood across the border. What will they do with them? At the same time, the Gringos in the towns and cities they have abandoned realize the tremendous contributions they were making before they left. It is impossible to operate a lawn-care service, a fast-food restaurant, a painting service...90% of their willing workers are gone. Grocery stores and filling stations are going broke. The Red Cross, the Unitarian Church, thousands of volunteers are helping them along the way.

It soon becomes obvious that, though there was never a plan, the huge mobs have a common purpose: Arrive at the Mexican border on El Cinco de Mayo.

That is as far as my dream goes. Except that I fully intend to be in San Diego when they arrive, cheering and shooting fireworks in the air.

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Since this is a dream i will pay for the 12 -20 million tickets one way first class but it has to land in Mexico city.

Posted by: PennyWisetheClown | December 13, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Carrick---I recall quite clearly you said that you got legalized through that stealth amnesty known as "245(i) but now you write:
I am a 31 year old undocumented immigrant who takes care of his permanent resident mother. I work as a legal assistant to a sole practitioner attorney in Washington DC. Together, we help people from different racial backgrounds to keep their homes in these difficult times. ===== Which is the lie, Carrick? The one where you said you are now legal --- or --- what you're claiming now that you are still illegal. Yes, Carrick, if the latter is true, then you are an illegal alien, not an "undocumented immigrant". Geez, Carrick, if you are going to lie, keep a notebook to keep your stories straight!

On top of all this, you're still a job thief as an illegal. How dare you, Carrick, keep a job while Americans can't find one at all? If that isn't bad enough, you have the nerve to come here and rub everyone's noses in it!

Then you further sicken us all by writing:
I ain't going to qualify for the Dream Act. But, I know this to be universal: the most important thing about a man is his character. I believed in America. I prospered and became a fighter of justice.

You have no character, Carrick. You and your family of grifters are morally bankrupt---just like the millions of illegals here in this country.

Justice? You and millions of illegals have no business being here! What justice? You and your fellow illegals are only entitled to a one-way ticket back to your native countries.

Meanwhile, for all your whining, had you gone back to Peru when you either turned 18 (but you had some namby-pamby excuse for not doing so) or when you completed college, you would have long since finished law school Peru. Or you could have returned to Peru, applied for law school in the US and come on a foreign visa.

Sorry, that your mother didn't teach you right from wrong. However, once you became of age, it was up to you to do the right thing---and you didn't.

You can still do the right thing---if you're still illegal like you are now claiming---then give up your job so an unemployed American citizen or legal immigrant can find work. If you did that, Carrick, I would have respect for you. However, I'm not holding my breath waiting for you to do the right thing.

Posted by: two4three2 | December 13, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Oh my, too many comments for me to read, but after so many negative ones, I decided I needed to stop reading and post. You all say we Latinos (you know that's what the majority of you mean by illegal) have committed a CRIME by crossing the border--(Oh my how could we!!) Whether it was our parents bringing us as children or we ourselves crossed the border without the PROPER documentation. Sorry Americanos but it's all about survival, that's why most of us are here. Tell me this--how many of you have committed crimes in your lifetime? Maybe not you, what about your parents. It could have been DUI, drug-dealing or drug using, grand-theft, rape, child pornography, embezzlement, murder...etc. Should the children pay for these crimes as well?? Now compare the crimes I mentioned to border-crossing. Seems so insignificant does it not?

You are making such a big deal about the Dream Act. It's just young people trying to better themselves and obtain legal status. They're going to be here anyway, why not grant them that. Do you want them to get a fake name and use that to keep living without a real identity? Most Hispanics know it's very easy to obtain fake documentation and work the jobs that no Americans want; and with fake documentation you have full access to public services, getting food stamps, medicaid, welfare, for your kids etc. because you're working with a fake name (sometimes earning big bucks) but you're someone else actually and that someone else is unemployed so public assistance is taken advantage of. Yet, we'd rather do it the right way. Most illegals want to come out of the shadows. What is very necessary is for the millions of illegals to become legalized, but most Republicans are so against that, so for now we'll take the Dream Act. It's necessary for the economy--think of these college grads, earning better pay, thus spending more money in our US economy. Enough with the thought that the illegals will be deported! That's a laugh. HOw will you find us all and deport us all? We need IMMIGRATION REFORM NOW!! Let's start with the DREAM ACT --vote for it NOW!!!

Posted by: ErikAh1 | December 13, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

All of these comments are so hateful and uninformed. Most of these immigrants are coming here because US corporations via NAFTA are pushing them off of their land, especially the farmers. Many Mexicans are not even allowed on their own beaches anymore because those are for white American/European tourists. And if they complain, the military will shut them up. Who do you thinks funds their military?

Also, US agribusiness recruits them because our economy needs them in agriculture. They are the reason our food is affordable. In other parts of the world food is very expensive.

And to the foreign student who said that he had to wait in line, their parents have been working and paying taxes to this country. They have been working menial and often dangerous jobs, so they are not taking anything from you. Get over yourself. Their labor generates billions for our economy, but their kids can't apply for citizenship even after going to school and/or fighting in the wars? That's not right.

Maybe we shoud eliminate Social Security, welfare, and unemployment benefits (which is just welfare under another name), so that "real Americans" can pick crops again. The there would be no more illegal immigration and these racist fools who listen to Rush Limberger all day would be too busy doing real work like their serf ancestors to listen to him, and he would be out of a job.

Posted by: sunnyday1 | December 13, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Edward Schumacher-Matos
If Senate Republicans kill the Dream Act, I and many millions of Hispanics will take it as a slap in the face.
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Jefe-

Most Hispanics already vote Democratic, unless rep. Luis Gutierrez(D-Ill) gets slapped in the face, too. The story around the campfire is that he will tell his amigos to sit on their honkers and not vote in the next election.

Get something straight, Jefe. We want legal immigration, not illegal immigration.

If immigrants want to work here, there was something called a Bracero program, where migrant workers could come into the US, unti Cesar Chavez put the squeeze on politicians, because the Hispanic fruit pickers were born in the US.

If Hispanics don't like this country, they are free to leave. In fact, if they are here illegally and displacing those who have the right to be here, such as in California, they can kiss my @55, as the bus heads out to Baja, CA.

Your "Reconquista Movement" is as dead as Pancho Villa or Benito Juarez.

besides, if Hispanics are soo smart, how come none of the Latin American nations have:

1. Ownership of a major car manufacturer?
2. Ownership of a luxury cruise line? (I guess you prefer a cattle boat, Jefe?)
3. A Space program
4. A Nuclear Reactor
5. Aircraft manufacturer?
and so forth...

The DREAM Act, like "Affirmative Action" is contributing to the dumbing down of America and illegal immigrants bring the same here and suck off our resources.

Please, illegals, report to DHS/ICE and self-deport.

Posted by: Computer_Forensics_Expert_Computer_Expert_Witness | December 13, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

My Dear Two...whatever,

I knew you were going to respond to my comment. I knew you were going to keep on using those old arguments of yours. You are asking me to do things that you, if you were in my position, will never do. You will never have the courage to leave your family if you really love them. Unless, you do not feel anything for your family members. So, boom, your argument about leaving your family behind instead of fighting to achieve your personal and collective goals is nothing but trash.

My mother and my brothers are legal. Whether it bothers you or not, who gives a feather about how you feel about them. They are legal. They have your same rights, privileges and power of the vote. I have nephews, nieces, cousins and friends who will miss me when I am gone if something ever happens to me. And, you, by the way you talk, who is going to miss you when you are gone? No one.

Why do not you give your retirement funds, transfer your health care program and savings to those undocumented kids who are rocking our public schools and universities? You will never do that. I bet you'll rather spend money on pets than a penny on human beings.

I am here to challenge you to any moral test you want. I did not chose to come here. Going back to my country was never an option. I fought for everything I achieved. And, guess what lonely individual? I am going to live here until I die.

Posted by: Carrick319 | December 13, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Do you know anything about Latin America? They are oligarchies and their leaders are underwritten by the US government. When they do elect a leader who will help them, that leader is characterized as "extreme." Get a clue. Millions of people don't flee their homes and risk their lives crossing a 110+ degree desert unless they have no other choice.

Pass the Dream Act!

Posted by: sunnyday1 | December 13, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Re: "morally bankrupt---just like the millions of illegals here in this country."

Project much? Europeans stole this land from the Indians, stole the blacks from Africa, and then stole half of Mexico. You are not morally superior to somebody who is trying to survive the consequences of NAFTA (and really the last 500 years) by working, going to school, and joining the military.

Just pass the Dream Act!

Posted by: sunnyday1 | December 13, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Edwards says "... We, too, believe in the American creed, the rule of law, the righteousness of the work ethic, the exceptionalism of American history and the justice of American democracy."
OK, then follow the law and go back to where ever you came from. I don't understand why enforcing the laws of the US are anti Hispanic, unless Hispanics are the only ones breaking US immigration laws. Most legal immigrants who came here because America chose them took years of hard slog to get a green card. For some to sneak across the border and to have any right to continue to stay illegally has no basis. Moreover, US immigration laws allows newly minted US citizens to immediately sponsor parents with no waiting period. The dream act is a trojan horse for backdoor legalization of all immigrants. I am a democrat and I do not support legalization of illegals under any circumstances. This is NOTHING to do with race, Mr. Edwards please don't draw the race card. Laws do not specifically discriminate against Hispanics. It is just that non Hispanics follow US laws and wait decades for a green card. Hispanics choose to flaunt US laws and want to be rewarded for it. Please go back and come back legally. All legal immigrants are welcome to the US. Let us choose our immigrants based on American needs, not ability of high school drop outs to pay drug runners money to sneak in to the US.

Posted by: upnorth85 | December 13, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

sunnyday1 writes:
Project much? Europeans stole this land from the Indians, stole the blacks from Africa, and then stole half of Mexico. You are not morally superior to somebody who is trying to survive the consequences of NAFTA (and really the last 500 years) by working, going to school, and joining the military.

Just pass the Dream Act!

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When the Europeans came to North America and South America there were no countries. So if you're trying to tell us that the Europeans came illegally---nice try but you failed miserably. The Indians, too, came here from elsewhere.

I am morally superior to anyone who would violate another country's borders then make demands on said country. I am morally superior to anyone who then commits ID theft to take a job they are not authorized to take. Shall I go on?

You see, I love my country so whatever problems it is having, I will work to make it a better place. I would never cut and run and live illegally in another country. Unlike you, I care deeply as to what this country will be like for my grandchildren. Thus, I will speak up against illegal immigration, open borders and the so-called DREAM Act (more like a Nightmare act).

If your heart bleeds for these illegals, then open up your home to them. Create a flophouse. Feed, clothe, shelter and pay for their medical expenses. Pay to send their kids to college.

What you advocate is tantamount to bleeding this country dry.

I agree NAFTA was a mistake. When it was first proposed, did you write to your reps (assuming you're here legally and a citizen) and let them know of your concerns? Have you written to them lately to urge its repeal?

Yes, illegal aliens are morally bankrupt. I don't care what country they are living in illegally---it's wrong to to be an illegal alien. Too bad you don't have any sense of right and wrong. If you did, you wouldn't be making excuses for their illegal behavior.

Posted by: two4three2 | December 13, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes I read articles like this and I wonder, why do these people want to be a part of this country? White people slaughtered the Indians rather than integrate with them. Brought Blacks to this country against their will and first held them in slavery and then in years of economic slavery. And even in 2010 will not let gays and lesbians fight for their country without being constantly held to the threat of being dishonorably discharged for being who G-d created them to be. And, there is not one news article about Immigration Reform without the most vile and vicious of our wonderful Christian citizens filling the comments with racist, ignorant rants. Wouldn't you really rather go to Canada?

Posted by: paris1969 | December 13, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

sunnyday1 writes:
Also, US agribusiness recruits them because our economy needs them in agriculture. They are the reason our food is affordable. In other parts of the world food is very expensive.
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Wrong! Do some googling. If you do you will find that if agricultural workers were paid a living wage, the price of produce wouldn't go up much at all. Nice try though.

Also, there is an H-2B program that farmers can use to bring in workers but many positions go unfilled. The reason being is that the farmers would have to provide decent housing and a decent wage. Plus with millions of illegals willing to be exploited and work for menial wages, farmers hire them instead. And you're very wrong if you think that no Americans are working in agriculture. Really, you should do some research before you spout off. Or is it that you support the exploitation of illegals?
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Carrick---The same old excuses and blather.

You say:
I knew you were going to respond to my comment. I knew you were going to keep on using those old arguments of yours. You are asking me to do things that you, if you were in my position, will never do. You will never have the courage to leave your family if you really love them. Unless, you do not feel anything for your family members. So, boom, your argument about leaving your family behind instead of fighting to achieve your personal and collective goals is nothing but trash.

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Wrong! What does loving your family have to do with righting the wrong that was done to you? Yes, Carrick, I would leave and go back to adjust my status. Unlike you, I couldn't continue to live illegally in another country because my conscience would bother me. So, Senor, it is your argument that is trash.

Then you write more nonsense:
Why do not you give your retirement funds, transfer your health care program and savings to those undocumented kids who are rocking our public schools and universities? You will never do that. I bet you'll rather spend money on pets than a penny on human beings.
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Give what is mine that I worked for for illegal aliens? You've lost your mind! I spend my money on my family. They come first. What is left over goes to causes that fight illegal immigration among other things.

As for the rest of your drivel, you've sunk really, really low with some of the garbage you wrote in your last post. For example, no one would miss me when I'm gone because I'm against illegal immigration? Wow! You've really lost it!

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BTW, so you lied when you previously wrote that you are not legal? Does the lawyer you work for know that you are an illegal? If he does and knowingly employs you, then he need to be reported to the bar association.

Posted by: two4three2 | December 13, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Correction---
BTW, so you lied when you previously wrote that you are not legal?
Should read---BTW, so you lied when you previously wrote that you are NOW legal?
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Carrick---I just love how you keep digging a deeper and deeper hole as you try to justify remaining illegally in this country and stealing a job that should go to an American citizen or legal immigrant.

Nothing you write could ever justify your continuing illegal presence in this country. If I were illegally in Peru, there would be no way I could justify that either.

BTW, Carrick, with your education you could make a big difference in your country, Peru. I once asked you what your family did to make it a better place. You never answered. That's because they decided to come here illegally instead of working to better their own country.

Posted by: two4three2 | December 13, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes I read articles like this and I wonder, why do these people want to be a part of this country? White people slaughtered the Indians rather than integrate with them. Brought Blacks to this country against their will and first held them in slavery and then in years of economic slavery. And even in 2010 will not let gays and lesbians fight for their country without being constantly held to the threat of being dishonorably discharged for being who G-d created them to be. And, there is not one news article about Immigration Reform without the most vile and vicious of our wonderful Christian citizens filling the comments with racist, ignorant rants. Wouldn't you really rather go to Canada?

Posted by: paris1969 | December 13, 2010 11:14 PM
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So, Paris1969 who insists on pulling the race card plus remaining willfully ignorant and a laughingstock---Even you know that you are free to find a better country to live in since you hate it here so much. When you find that country that's better, let us know, we'll come help you pack!

Posted by: two4three2 | December 13, 2010 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Dear Two:

You are not able to understand any real life situation but the ones that suit yourself. What kind of lunatic are you? Going back to my country was going back to the world I escaped from. It meant leaving my friends at school and my family. It meant giving up hope. I was brave enough to make it to this day. It has not been easy. But, what do you know? You only live to feed your selfish interests of preserving your lazy ways.

I never said that your position regarding illegal immigration made you unworthy of love. But, the way you think and talk about undocumented immigrants says a lot about the kind of shallow person you are. Whether I am legal or illegal...why does it matter? Does being illegal make my arguments less compelling than yours?

Go ahead report me to the Bar Association if that makes you feel happy, if that fulfills you. You want to fight ideas with personal threats...who is a piece a garbage now. I could reason with you on and on. But, you are incapable of grasping the most essential principles on which our country was funded. Yes, our country. This country is as mine as it is yours! Si Sr. este es mi pais, el pais de mi familia, ahora y por siempre.

Posted by: Carrick319 | December 13, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

It's too late to say that illegals respect the rule of law, that they assimilate or love America. THEY DO NOT. Illegals believe that our laws do not apply to them, and citizens are here to bankroll their anchor babies, pay their emergency room bills, and shell out for welfare and social programs.

You illegals commit identity theft. You commit disproportionate crime. And you can't or won't even speak our language. Our schools are being ruined because they have to be dumbed down for illegals -- because illegals can't be brought up to the level of the rest of the class.

Illegals also are greedy, mean buggers. Illegals are always whining that the USA does not belong to citizens(!) -- always complaining about white people. Mean America, bad America, for not wanting to serve the illegals!

Matos is right: illegals ARE NOT WANTED. Illegals have used us quite enough, and the gravy train is off the rails.

If Hispanic illegals feel "slapped," how do you think citizens have felt for decades as illegals invade and destroy everything good about America?

Posted by: wmpowellfan | December 13, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

I can't speak your language. Of course, I can. Yes I can! Yes I can!

Posted by: Carrick319 | December 13, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

"ErikAh1" said this:

"You are making such a big deal about the Dream Act. ...They're going to be here anyway, why not grant them that. Do you want them to get a fake name and use that to keep living without a real identity? Most Hispanics know it's very easy to obtain fake documentation ...and with fake documentation you have full access to public services, getting food stamps, medicaid, welfare, for your kids etc. because you're working with a fake name (sometimes earning big bucks) but you're someone else actually and that someone else is unemployed..."
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THIS IS WHY WE DON"T WANT ILLEGALS!

Posted by: wmpowellfan | December 14, 2010 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Dear Two:

You are not able to understand any real life situation but the ones that suit yourself. What kind of lunatic are you? Going back to my country was going back to the world I escaped from. It meant leaving my friends at school and my family. It meant giving up hope. I was brave enough to make it to this day. It has not been easy. But, what do you know? You only live to feed your selfish interests of preserving your lazy ways.

I never said that your position regarding illegal immigration made you unworthy of love. But, the way you think and talk about undocumented immigrants says a lot about the kind of shallow person you are. Whether I am legal or illegal...why does it matter? Does being illegal make my arguments less compelling than yours?

Go ahead report me to the Bar Association if that makes you feel happy, if that fulfills you. You want to fight ideas with personal threats...who is a piece a garbage now. I could reason with you on and on. But, you are incapable of grasping the most essential principles on which our country was funded. Yes, our country. This country is as mine as it is yours! Si Sr. este es mi pais, el pais de mi familia, ahora y por siempre.

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Good grief, Carrick! Just as I thought---you are really becoming unhinged! Keep writing---it's actually both sad and entertaining to watch you dig a deeper and deeper hole for yourself.

You have no argument to support your continuing violations of our immigration laws so you've sunk to name-calling. It was only a matter of time before you did this.

No, Carrick, being against illegal immigration doesn not make me shallow. If I were shallow, I would bury my head in the sand and not care about the future of my country. My country---The US is not your country---Peru is your country---and you know it, too.

"A piece of garbage" --- Show me where I called you something like that. Truly, you are despicable, Carrick. Where did I make a threat and say I would report you to the bar association? I didn't say any such thing. I said that if the lawyer you work for hired you knowing that you are an illegal alien, then he should be reported to the bar association. How is that a threat?

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Give it up, Carrick. There is no way you can justify what you and your family did by coming here illegally and using our resources without putting in anyway near your share of taxes. Also, there is no way you can justify taking a job while American citizens and legal immigrants can't find work.

Seriously, Carrick, give it up. You just continue to sink lower and lower everytime you attempt to justify your law-breaking.

You've even sunk to name-calling. That's what those do who have no legitimate argument.

I even acknowledged that you have an education and could make a difference in Peru. Yet you insist on spewing garbage. Basta!

Posted by: two4three2 | December 14, 2010 12:09 AM | Report abuse

two4three2,

You and ward4dc should get a room. You're both disgusting projecting your xenophobic prejudice well under the anonymity of the internet. Cowards indeed!

Posted by: rednova | December 14, 2010 12:24 AM | Report abuse

There is nothing racist in rejecting amnesty for illegals and if Hispanics or Latinos want to presume it is racist, they are misleading themselves. My twin sons are Hispanic or Latino or whatever label you want to place on them by way of their mother whose parents LEGALLY came from Caracas and Malaga. No one here ILLEGALLY has any right to be here, to stay here, to expect anything of Americans except a one way trip to the border. Our schools should be cleared of illegals--which should be easy since every student is or should be showing a birth certificate and social security card. Illegal student, illegal family, DEPORT. Simple. Next...

Posted by: MatthewWeaver | December 14, 2010 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Quote:

"Sorry Americanos but it's all about survival, that's why most of us are here."


WoW,thanks for opening your big mouth and saying what we
already know. You all think we have
just fallen off the turnip truck, eh? Or rather,you believe you can play the American citizens for fools whilst, you and your diluted, enabling American accomplices back your sympathy play - as you lie cheat and steal your way into our country,homes,schools, and businesses.
you've just plainly illustrated what you all, are really all about."GETTING OVER" plain and simple. Your just a passel of cheap two bit hustlers. Nothing more.
Take notes,you effete doo gooders. acquire a street level education, and see the situation for what it truly is. a massive
scam, the best in history, shared from brother to sister, uncle to cousin - at our expense. Join the rest of us, our eyes are open. And, we, are outraged and fed up.

Posted by: TEDMOSBY33333 | December 14, 2010 12:25 AM | Report abuse

If this Nightmare Act is approved there will be 2 million less American kids going to college over the next several years because the democrats want to give those slots to illegal aliens.

However we American citizens do get one thing out of it... the bill. Yup the democrats want the American taxpayer to subsidize their education while cheating our American kids.

The Nightmare Act has no cap, no end-date and no enforcement. It's simply a "mass ongoing amnesty". In the future any foreign family with a school age child can sneak in the country and enroll their child in school to obtain automatic citizenship.

Why do some democrats hate American kids so much???

Do not punish innocent American kids because of the criminal actions of illegal aliens.

Posted by: hunter340 | December 14, 2010 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Rednova spews:
two4three2,

You and ward4dc should get a room. You're both disgusting projecting your xenophobic prejudice well under the anonymity of the internet. Cowards indeed!

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"Xenophobic prejudice"? Really? What is "xenophobic" about wanting people to obey our immigration laws?

Talk about being a "coward". Why haven't you answered my very pointed questions that I posed to you further back in this thread? What a hypocrite!

As for the "anonymity of the internet" --- I don't see YOU posting your real name, address, phone number or email address either! Talk about being disgusting!

Posted by: two4three2 | December 14, 2010 1:06 AM | Report abuse

Carrick---The more I think about what you have written, the more I realize that I feel very sad for you. I came to this conclusion by rereading what you wrote, like the following:
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You are asking me to do things that you, if you were in my position, will never do. You will never have the courage to leave your family if you really love them. Unless, you do not feel anything for your family members. So, boom, your argument about leaving your family behind instead of fighting to achieve your personal and collective goals is nothing but trash.
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You are not able to understand any real life situation but the ones that suit yourself. What kind of lunatic are you? Going back to my country was going back to the world I escaped from. It meant leaving my friends at school and my family. It meant giving up hope.
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I am here to challenge you to any moral test you want. I did not chose to come here. Going back to my country was never an option. I fought for everything I achieved. And, guess what lonely individual? I am going to live here until I die
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Not only did your mother raise you without giving you a moral compass, she also raised you to be afraid to leave your family. She raised you to believe that if you lived any large distance away from them, that meant you had "abandoned" them.

Thus, it's sad that as a 31-year old man, the idea of going to Peru to live for a time while adjusting your legal status, terrifies you. It shouldn't terrify you. It is your country after all. You speak the language fluently.

You do know that you can keep in touch with your family via phone, email, text, skype and snail mail, don't you?

Everyday people who are from close-knit extended families have to move away to find work in this economy. They aren't abandoning their extended families. If they have healthy families, then their families give them their love and support---not a guilt trip for leaving.

15 and 16 year olds go to foreign countries as exchange students. These students tend to have only a year or two of foreign language study under their belts. Yet they go with their families' blessings. You are in a far better position than they are.

It's very very sad that you equate living away from your extended family as having abandoned them. Mothers and fathers in the military have to leave their young children behind while they serve their country. Yet they do it with the love and support of their families who know that they aren't being abandoned.

Posted by: two4three2 | December 14, 2010 1:22 AM | Report abuse

Illegal supporters, please educate yourselves about Emma Lazarus and the Statue of Liberty.

Her poem is about America lighting the way to enlightenment -- not hoisting a beacon to illegals.

After all, the sculptor, Frederic-Auguste Bartholdi, named the statue "Liberty Enlightening the World," and it was not intended that the statue be an immigration icon.


And Lazarus was born in New York.

Posted by: wmpowellfan | December 14, 2010 4:53 AM | Report abuse

Matos, the following comments on this board do not support your thesis about law-abiding, eager-to-assimilate, hard-working illegals. They reflect a total disregard for the rule of law, hatred toward Americans, and a "healthy" sense of entitlement. And a real lack of understanding of economics, geography, history...

1. From alack08:

"Get over yourselves, this is not YOUR COUNTRY!I know Hispanics that contribute far more to society than my next door neighbors ...Shall we go searching for the illegal Europeans? They're everywhere. Mexico gives this country too much. They go through SO much to get here to find a better life. At least they aren't stealing the land and killing our people to take over, like our forefathers did so long ago. They're working, and harder than most Americans. You don't own the ground you walk on or the food you eat and the people who prepared it for your selfish selves were probably Hispanic."

2. From mcolon61:

And I wander why We americans dont remember when The south of the country took the land away from the mexicans"

3. From AlbertoelGringo:

"What is it you don't understand about 'Illegal Immigrant?" they ask. Those of us who ask in reply "What is it you don't understand about 'Send me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore' or 'inasmuch as you do this to the least of these, my children, you do it also unto me.' " receive no reply."

4. From Carrick319

"I am ...undocumented immigrant ... Papers, green cards, passports and money are nothing but that...papers. Why do not you give your retirement funds, transfer your health care program and savings to those undocumented kids who are rocking our public schools and universities? This country is as mine as it is yours!"

5. From ErikAh1:

"Most Hispanics know it's very easy to obtain fake documentation ...and with fake documentation you have full access to public services, getting food stamps, medicaid, welfare, for your kids etc. because you're working with a fake name (sometimes earning big bucks) but you're someone else actually and that someone else is unemployed..."

Posted by: wmpowellfan | December 14, 2010 5:36 AM | Report abuse

We need to realize that ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION is an economic issue and NOT a civil rights issue.

Illegal immigration is economic terrorism.

And to Schumacher-Matos:
Sow the wind with identity politics, reap the racial whirlwind.

Posted by: ThoughtCrimeFormerlyExpat1 | December 14, 2010 5:36 AM | Report abuse

Sometimes I read articles like this and I wonder, why do these people want to be a part of this country? White people slaughtered the Indians rather than integrate with them. Brought Blacks to this country against their will and first held them in slavery and then in years of economic slavery. And even in 2010 will not let gays and lesbians fight for their country without being constantly held to the threat of being dishonorably discharged for being who G-d created them to be. And, there is not one news article about Immigration Reform without the most vile and vicious of our wonderful Christian citizens filling the comments with racist, ignorant rants. Wouldn't you really rather go to Canada?
Posted by: paris1969 | December 13, 2010
Why do you liberals/progressives bring up the past? The last time I looked the people who slaughtered those Indians were dead and buried. The people of today are innocent. If you have a problem with what people did hundreds of years ago, dig up their dead bodies and tell them off. It won’t do you any good, but at least you will be addressing the people who actually did this perceived wrong. And as far as blacks are concerned, my ancestors want to rest in peace. Don’t bring up them and presume to speak for them to support your progressive nonsense. And they were brought here by force, they didn’t break any laws past or present to get here. Your argument is null and void. And last but not least you bring Gays and lesbians into this. Why? Because your argument holds no merit. Typical liberal/progressive - weak, hypocritical and trying to tell everybody how to live and think. Haven’t you noticed, citizens don’t like that? We like to think for ourselves and make our own decisions. That is one of the reasons we are so angry at our government. They haven’t been listening. Well, they are going to listen now. And by the way, to all of you who are blaming NAFTA for illegal immigrants coming here. The countries involved in NAFTA, including ours, knew “exactly” how and how much of their population would be affected by NAFTA. Yet you want to blame the U.S. for the economic woes of those countries. You guys are some of the most sanctimonious bunch of people I have ever seen. Do you think those governments leaders were uneducated? Do you think they had guns held to their heads when signing those agreements? The answer is no. Yet you sit there and blame the U.S. Not only are you dumb, you are hypocrites.

Posted by: Edie3 | December 14, 2010 7:38 AM | Report abuse

Read this and begin to understand. Whole ethnic neighborhoods are being replaced by primarily one group. How is that fair to other races/cultures that want to immigrate to the U.S? I can tell you how. It’s not.
The political implications of these trends are great in the long run - majority black districts will become harder to sustain, while more majority Hispanic districts will emerge, especially for state and local positions," Logan said.
The figures come from previous censuses and the 2009 American Community Survey, which samples 3 million households.
Due to incomplete 2009 data, the analysis of racial segregation omits seven metro areas: Sarasota, Fla., Greenville, S.C., Harrisburg, Pa., Jackson, Miss., McAllen, Texas, Portland, Maine, and Poughkeepsie, N.Y.
Illegal immigration is being used as a catalyst for certain La Raza type hispanic groups. It is about achieving political power to change the U.S. to serve that group. No race or culture, including hispanic should think this is a good thing. If they do they are racist/xenophobic themselves. You want civil unrest or what will likely happen the possibility of a civil war, then keep condoning people entering this country illegally. Nobody wins and I do mean nobody.

The article in its completion is here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/14/AR2010121400461_2.html

Posted by: Edie3 | December 14, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

America Sleeps While Mass Illegal Alien Amnesty Looms
December 13, 2010 (MMD Newswire) -- A massive, nation changing, Dream Act amnesty for millions of illegal aliens hangs in the balance needing only one vote in the US Senate that may come any day now. Conservative media conduits like Fox News, Drudge Report, World Net Daily, and many talk radio shows are silent on the matter.
"We have a major problem in the fact that America is sound asleep and the new media is not responding to this new amnesty threat yet," said William Gheen President of ALIPAC. "We are asking our activists to start climbing over the walls to rally talk radio and warn hosts that the hour is late, the situation is dire, and only a massive reaction from the American public can stop Dream Amnesty from passing before Christmas."
ALIPAC has helped to defeat the Dream Act Amnesty six times before now, but the historic passage of the bill by a narrow margin in the US House last week bodes ill for the American public. Rasmussen Polling from 2007 shows Americans oppose the Dream Act concept almost 2 to 1!
Most Americans are not aware that the Dream Amnesty is close to passing at any moment. Americans are not aware that millions of them are one vote away from being displaced and replaced in their jobs, colleges, and elections by illegal aliens who may be given the right to work, take college seats, and vote! Most Americans are not aware that there are no enforcement provisions in the Dream Amnesty legislation and instead of the promoted 2-3 million illegal aliens granted Amnesty, ten million or more could qualify. Most Americans are not aware that the bill allows Homeland Security to waive any concerns about who can qualify for Dream Act Amnesty.
"Americans need to start flooding the phone lines of talk radio shows as well as the US Senate to get the ball rolling immediately or everyone will be crying after the fact and asking how this could happen," said William Gheen. "Some conservative news sources are even singing political lullabies to Americans claiming Dream Act Amnesty won't pass the Senate!"
Americans for Legal Immigration PAC activists are being asked to contact every media source and talk radio show. Those sources that are not covering the Dream Act Amnesty, or covering the news in biased fashion, or are lying to the public claiming the bill cannot pass, must lead the push for proper coverage of this situation. The Dream Act Amnesty would radically alter the United States, eventually dis-empowering tens of millions of American voters, students, and workers, and make expectations of future border security and immigration enforcement impossible.
Members of the media who are still loyal to Americans and the ethics of journalism are asked to report on the Dream Act Amnesty's strong chance of passage in the US Senate and the negative consequences Americans will face if that happens before the Senate votes.

Posted by: Edie3 | December 14, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Read this article. It speaks of the fraud and deceit that was and is being presented from the pro-illegal side.
http://www.borderfirereport.net/michael-w.-cutler/michael-cutler-dream-act-must-be-stopped.php
Michael Cutler: DREAM Act Must Be Stopped
The closer you look at the DREAM Act the more it becomes clear that the intention of this legislative betrayal is not simply a "Down payment" on the amnesty that the administration and the other usual suspects such as Schumer, Pelosi and Reid would have you believe it is, but would, in fact, come to encompass a vast proportion of the illegal alien population present in our country today!

It is astounding that even as proponents of the DREAM Act talk about how just it is for illegal aliens to aspire to and ultimately achieve the American Dream for themselves, this dream is becoming ever more unattainable by the citizens of our nation and their children!

Posted by: Edie3 | December 14, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Shumaker- Matos; all,

as the adoptive father of a fullblood Maya/NA daughter born in Mexico, may i offer an ACCEPTABLE alternative to "the dream act"?
(fyi, my much beloved daughter is an Electrical engineer and, as of 07/05/09, a PROUD/LOYAL American citizen!)

"former young children" of illegal aliens, who have lived here since young childhood, gone to school here & learned English will EASILY assimilate & become "GOOD & LOYAL Americans". therefore,
my suggestions are as follows:

children, of illegal aliens, may remain in the USA, get a "green card" & aquire US citizenship, provided that:
1. they came to the USA before age 12,
2. they have violated NO criminal laws either here and/or in any other country,
3. they graduate from high school,
4. they enter/graduate from college/trade school and/or volunteer to serve 4 or more years in the armed forces,
5. their parents & other adult family members are PERMANENTLY forbiddened to remain in the USA, after the minor child turns 18YO
and
6. that "the former minors" are forbidden, after age 18, from "sponsoring" ANYONE to enter/remain in the USA.

i think we can get that idea "passed". otoh, the currently proposed "Dream Act" is a "NO go", as it is nothing more than a RUSE designed to allow MILLIONS of lawbreakers to remain here permanently.

yours, TN46
coordinator, CCTPP

Posted by: texasnative46 | December 14, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

These racist comments are disgusting. Our country likes to help poor people in foreign countries, but the poor people in the foreign country next door are demonized for trying to save their lives by escaping from NAFTA--a policy our government created. It's only "cool" to help poor people when they live millions of miles away.

As for Emma Lazarus, yes, her poem The New Colossus, was about America leading the way toward enlightenment--by allowing the poor and dispossesed to escape oppression by coming to America, a free country, in contrast to the ancient powers of Rome, etc.

"From her beacon-hand/ Glows world-wide welcome"

Hear that? World wide welcome!

You think if you dehumanize people by calling them "illegals" that it erases the fact that they have come here to escape oppression. You need to read up on what NAFTA, and the War on Drugs-- both US policies-- are doing to Mexico and Central America.

Posted by: sunnyday1 | December 14, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Get over yourself two, this is about doing the right thing for these kids. They have schooled our own grown youth on how to be successful in school. And, yet you insist in deporting them. Get over yourself. This ain't going to happen because they are not going anywhere.

Too bad these kids have been used for political gain. Both parties should say yeah right away. Where does the opposition come? From the state that propelled integration and race commingling Alabama.

One day, one of these days, no political figure will profit from this issue. You'll see.

Posted by: Carrick319 | December 14, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

BTW, I love this country and this is my country.

Posted by: Carrick319 | December 14, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

These racist comments are disgusting. Our country likes to help poor people in foreign countries, but the poor people in the foreign country next door are demonized for trying to save their lives by escaping from NAFTA--a policy our government created. It's only "cool" to help poor people when they live millions of miles away.

As for Emma Lazarus, yes, her poem The New Colossus, was about America leading the way toward enlightenment--by allowing the poor and dispossesed to escape oppression by coming to America, a free country, in contrast to the ancient powers of Rome, etc.

"From her beacon-hand/ Glows world-wide welcome"

Hear that? World wide welcome!

You think if you dehumanize people by calling them "illegals" that it erases the fact that they have come here to escape oppression. You need to read up on what NAFTA, and the War on Drugs-- both US policies-- are doing to Mexico and Central America.

Posted by: sunnyday1 | December 14, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Nice try sunnday1. But absolutely null and void. That is why we have the united nations. I have no problem giving aid to poor countries, but I do have problem with them sending millions of their poor over here. Illegally obtaining jobs and running up debt that the U.S. has to pay for. Please take your progressive idiologue and talk to someone who agrees with you. Most U.S. citizens don't. We are not going to commit financial suicide to make you and your ilk feel better. But you probably belong to that generation that thinks just because you were born, you are entitled to everything you want or need. Guess what you don't. Work for it like the rest of us have to. But please do it legally.

Posted by: Edie3 | December 14, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Quote: You think if you dehumanize people by calling them "illegals" that it erases the fact that they have come here to escape oppression.

Try again. What you, and the author of this
article have expressed, along with almost
every other liberal newspaper/media outlet, is/are
an example/s of "Orwellian" News speak. i.e., the changing manipulation of "terms" or "words" and definitions as such, to distort their true meaning
for political, and or social purposes.The term, is... "illegal alien", or "illegal immigrant" if the former offends your sensibilities, as you have offended Americas - by partaking of /practicing from, the pages of the "1984" playbook.

Posted by: TEDMOSBY33333 | December 14, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Have you called your Representatives about the Dream Act? Do it NOW! The Nightmare Act must not pass. This article, and the comments by supporters, are a preview of what will happen -- and it won't be pretty. These illegals have no problem whatever breaking the law -- and as erikah1 plainly states, they have no problem committing identity theft to latch onto our tax dollars.

These people do not love America -- they actually hate us. Read the comments! They just want our money -- because they feel entitled.

We are being invaded by Mexico. Say NO to the Nightmare Act!

Posted by: wmpowellfan | December 14, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Carrick---No, YOU get over YOURSELF! This is NOT your country so get over that delusion. As long as you are here illegally, Peru is your country.
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Get over yourself two, this is about doing the right thing for these kids. They have schooled our own grown youth on how to be successful in school. And, yet you insist in deporting them. Get over yourself. This ain't going to happen because they are not going anywhere.

Too bad these kids have been used for political gain. Both parties should say yeah right away. Where does the opposition come? From the state that propelled integration and race commingling Alabama.

One day, one of these days, no political figure will profit from this issue. You'll see.

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Yes, Carrick, they should be deported---them and every illegal alien that is in this country. What makes these kids so special? What makes you think they are entitled to take away college seats(just as you did) from American citizens, legal immigrants and foreign students?

Wake up, Carrick! My country--the USA---is in dire economic straits. Yet you and your illegal minions want to further burden us financially.

Of course, given the way your mother raised you, it's not surprising that you don't get it. You were raised without a moral compass and your mother failed to raise you to be an independent adult. After all, you think that anyone who leaves their extended families to find work, go to college, or return to their home countries to right the wrong that was done to them is a "lunatic" who is "lonely" and "won't be missed when they die". Very twisted, Carrick. It's also very sad that you can't see that your mother failed you so miserably. Instead you deflect and tell ME to get over it when clearly it is YOU who has very big problems.
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You claim to love the US. What a lie! Please stop insulting our intelligence. If you loved this country so much as you claim, you would have done the following:
1) Gone back to Peru when you were an adult and worked to right the wrong that was done to you.

2) Applied to go to college using a foreign student visa.

3) You wouldn't be working illegally in my country. Instead, you would have remained in Peru.

4) Joined the military and volunteer to go to Iraq or Afghanistan.

But you refuse to do any of the following. You love the USA? Prove it! Quit your job so that an unemployed American citizen can work. Then go to Peru and 1) either go to law school there or; 2) take a job there and work on changing your status.

We know you won't do any of the following. So it's not too much to ask you to stop lying and say you love my country!

What was that crazy remark about Alabama about? Senator Sessions? If so, the man is a hero---and he's not the only one in the senate who gets it!

Carrick, your sense of entitlement is absolutely despicable!

Posted by: two4three2 | December 14, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

wmpowellfan---Your comments are great! Yes, I have contacted my rep and senators about the "Nightmare Act".

I don't know what the senate will do about this horror but I do know this --- If it does pass, any senator who is up for re-election in '12 and votes for this horror, risks losing his/her seat. I also know that there is a good possibility that if this horror passes, there no doubt will be some legal challenges that, hopefully, will derail the whole thing.

If the democrats think that the past November elections were a bloodbath, if they pass this horror, the bloodbath will continue in '12.

There is some positive news---Come January, the republicans in the house have said that they are committed to immigration reform---and they don't mean amnesty. They have said that they won't tackle it right away as there are other issues they want to address (I appreciate that honesty) but they will work on it before the next election cycle.

For those who insist on being willfully ignorant and say that illegals do the jobs Americans won't do --- 1) Everytime there is a raid or a company fires illegals, Americans line up for those jobs immediately. Recently Chipotle in the Twin Cities area fired 50 illegals and Americans showed up to apply for those jobs. A couple of years ago, when Howard Industries was raided in MS, Americans drove from as far away as 40 miles to apply for those jobs.

Then there are illegals like Carrick, who works as a legal assistant. It's preposterous to think that no American would want that job!

However, illegals have shown themselves to be a selfish and ungrateful lot. They whine and call those who want them gone as somehow being hateful when it is in fact the illegal who is hateful and demanding!

Posted by: two4three2 | December 14, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

wmpowellfan:
Your recent quotes from those of us supporting the Dream Act and/or Immigration reform are taken so out of context that it's ridiculous. Funny how you only quote the minor things that you find unfair or UNAMERCIAN in everyone's comments, but you do not say anything about the bigger picture. I was trying to make a point and you keep quoting that as if to say we really do take your precious welfare money. I have no proof that they are actually doing it, but they might--it's YOUR country, you make it easy for everybody to earn welfare. Wouln't you rather give everyone real identities, give them an education?? Get rid of the Welfare ProgrAM if that's what you think we're here for? No, because then that would probably mean YOU would also not be able to collect welfare and free medicaid! Of course racists/ haters only read the insignificant print that would help them make a mediocre point. I notice you didn't quote what I said about the Americanos who commit crimes? Do their children get punished? Exactly--of course not! Why should the children of illegal immigrants be punished for their parents' crossing over.

By the way Wmpowell fan and every other XENOPHOBIC commenting: Why is it that your own people are selling high-powered weapons of all types to the Mexican Cartels? Guns and ammunition of any type are banned in Mexico, no one is allowed to sell them or even have them for protection. Yet the're everywhere. You all are just making it harder for people to want to remain in Mexico with all the drug violence going on (Due mainly to High USA Drug use and the selling of weapons) which curiously enough is the reason many Mexicans will continue risking their lives to come to the US... It's ironic, you don't want them here, but it's because of you and your laws, that they're here.

Let me take you back to History when roles were reversed, Mexico offered legal migration to Texas (when it was part of Mexico) Then too many Texans refused to follow the Mexican Law--pay taxes, get rid of their slaves, so Mexican govt. put a stop to the migration...but the Americans kept coming, illegally.. then what happened? Texans revolted, Davis Crockett and Levy and many others lost their lives supposedly "Saving the Alamo". That Alamo belonged to Mexico. Maybe we should revolt and become heroes even if it costs us our lives, take our land back. Haha, once again I'm trying to make a point, don't take it so seriously and quote only the "Maybe we should revolt and take back our Land" line.

Posted by: ErikAh1 | December 14, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Two wrote:

"Wake up, Carrick! My country--the USA---is in dire economic straits. Yet you and your illegal minions want to further burden us financially."
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When have I knocked at your door asking you for economic assistance or a piece of bread to eat? Everything I have has been paid for me and my family. We never received any welfare assistance while we lived here.

The United States is in the way it is because there are too many people pointing fingers at each other without finding the way to solve their problems. Many Americans do not "ask themselves what can they do for their country" anymore. Instead, they lead selfish and meaningless lives like the one you are leading.

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Of course, given the way your mother raised you, it's not surprising that you don't get it. You were raised without a moral compass and your mother failed to raise you to be an independent adult. After all, you think that anyone who leaves their extended families to find work, go to college, or return to their home countries to right the wrong that was done to them is a "lunatic" who is "lonely" and "won't be missed when they die". Very twisted, Carrick. It's also very sad that you can't see that your mother failed you so miserably. Instead you deflect and tell ME to get over it when clearly it is YOU who has very big problems.

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My mother has been a permanent resident for two years and a half already. My mother is nowadays caring for my legal resident goddaughter, who had to flee from home due to physical abuse. That's how humane my mother is. You will never equal her courage. As a matter of fact, me neither. The only reason why she came to United States was to preserve the lives of her 7 children. She resisted many years of domestic violence, hunger and other foes. The United States was never going to let in anyone as poor as my mother. She did not have any other choice than risking her live to come to the United States. She could have died in the desert. But, she did not. She gave me this opportunity and I was not going to pay her with deserting her. Are you nuts? My mother did a hell of a job with me. I do not do drugs. I am not a pedophile. I am a college educated man because of her. I am helping homeowners to save their homes because she had the great idea to send me to high school.

I do not care what you say. I do not care if you have the worst idea about my character. I am going to keep on doing what I do best. And, one day, we'll come face to face and we will compare our achievements.

Posted by: Carrick319 | December 14, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

ErikAH1 blathers:
Wouln't you rather give everyone real identities, give them an education??
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If they are here illegally---what makes you think that they are entitled to "real identities"? What do you mean by "real identities" anyway? That they use their real names? If they can't use their real names to legally work, then they have no business being here. Got it?

He further blathers:
I notice you didn't quote what I said about the Americanos who commit crimes? Do their children get punished? Exactly--of course not! Why should the children of illegal immigrants be punished for their parents' crossing over.
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Yes, American children whose parents commit crimes do get punished. They are separated from their families. Many times that means being put in foster care. Yet there is no "DREAM Act" to help them go to college---or any other program that helps them in anyway. Why do you want a special program for illegal alien kids when there are no programs for American kids with lawbreaker parents?
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Then ErikAH1 veers way off topic by talking about the Mexican drug cartels. He claims that all their guns come from the US. Not true:
http://www.examiner.com/county-political-buzz-in-san-diego/guns-fuel-drug-cartels-mexico
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So, ErikAH1---Just what is "xenophobic" about wanting our borders secured and our immigration laws obeyed? Every country in the world has immigration laws. Why do you think that it's OK for those countries to have laws but not the US?

Posted by: two4three2 | December 14, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Carrick writes:
She did not have any other choice than risking her live to come to the United States. She could have died in the desert. But, she did not. She gave me this opportunity and I was not going to pay her with deserting her. Are you nuts? My mother did a hell of a job with me. I do not do drugs. I am not a pedophile. I am a college educated man because of her. I am helping homeowners to save their homes because she had the great idea to send me to high school.
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Give me a break, Carrick! Even in Peru there was help available for your mother. Stop making excuses for what she did.

Again you crow about your supposed accomplishments. Yet you continue to work illegally thus depriving an unemployed American citizen or legal immigrant of a job.

You claim your mother did a good job with you. Then prove it! Fess up to the lawyer that you work for. Tell him you are here illegally and as a result, since you want to be a lawyer, you are going to quit your job to prove your integrity and worth so that an unemployed person who is authorized to work in this country can have a job.

BTW, If your mother was being abused as you claim, she could have gone to the US (or other first world country) Embassy in Peru and asked for asylum. Thousands of women in her shoes have done this and then immigrated legally to another country. The fact that your mother didn't do this but instead thumbed her nose at our immigration laws, shows a lack of character.

I don't expect you to realize that your mother failed you by not giving you a moral compass or the courage to live as a truly independent adult. Going back to Peru and working, would not be deserting your mother. If you feel that way, then she failed you big time. People in your situation often are unable to be self-reflective. So...don't waste your time anymore trying to prove that you are a law-abiding person. No one is buying it.

Once again, Carrick, I feel very very sad for you.

At the very least either stop lying and claiming that you love the USA unless you do one of those things I listed previously. Otherwise, you just insult our intelligence. It's clear that you refuse to do the right thing. When you do the right thing, come back into these threads and tell us all. I'll be the first one (despite your prior abusive comments to me) to congratulate you.

Posted by: two4three2 | December 14, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Dear Two:

Please listen to yourself and the things you are asking me to do. Listen to yourself when you criticize a women who never passed through grammar school and who was married to a police officer in a macho society. I guess your specialty is counseling. Listen to yourself and keep on listening to see how stupid you sound.

I do not live with my mother because I need to. But, the other way around. And, I am not going to leave her now because she needs me more than ever before. It is all about family values you lack. We do not take anything for granted.

No. I feel sorry for you and your ego. You come to me with all these options I am glad I did not take. I am here to fight for my family, my community and the USA, my country!

Posted by: Carrick319 | December 14, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Enough, Carrick! Everytime you write, your sob story gets more and more embellished. Still, your mother has no excuse for doing what she did. When she reached the USA, why didn't she go to the authorities and tell her story? No doubt, she would have been given a version of TPS while her case made its way through the system.

If anyone sounds stupid, it's you, Carrick. Everytime you post you just dig a deeper and deeper hole for yourself. You've sunk so low as to make abusive comments to me (calling me a "piece of garbage" is really abusive...hmmm) in your past postings. Even you know that when you sink that low, it means you have no argument.

"Family values"---oh please! Why is it when you have 6 siblings---all who are according to you---that are here now legally, it is you, the only illegal, who has to care for your mother? I thought you said that your mother is working. I recall you once saying that now that she is legal she was going to get a better job.

You are not fighting for your "community"---unless your "community" is your fellow illegals. The USA is NOT your country---why do you have such trouble getting that through your head? (No more than Peru would be my country if I were living there illegally.) You have done nothing to prove your loyalty to her. Nada---absolutemente Nada. All you and your family have done is to suck her dry.

Please, Carrick, stop embarassing yourself. I doubt you will do that, you will just keep digging a deeper and deeper hole for yourself. It's absolutely disgusting that you are working while those who are authorized to work are unemployed. Since you are able to sleep at night knowing what you are doing, it shows that you have no moral compass. Sad, really!

Posted by: two4three2 | December 14, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Dear Two:

My mother was uneducated. Why does not it get through your head? She did not know many things that you and I are aware of. Back then, many people crossed the border to come here. Many of those folks had been legalized and are now productive citizens. Yes, Citizens!

Of course, many of those who got naturalized do not support the DREAM Act Movement. Probably, they do not want more competition for the jobs and services out there like yourself.

I know I have been lucky enough to land a job in my favorite field. I've made a huge difference in the lives of those around me. And, that's my contribution. Citizens, permanent residents and undocumented, why should I discriminate when all of them are human beings. I've save homes for the nurses, metal workers and many others. That's my contribution. And, I could not care less about what you think about me. I am always going forward and I am getting closer to my dreams with every day I live.

Posted by: Carrick319 | December 14, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

So, Carrick, your contribution to your illegally adopted country is to be a job thief. You as much as said so in your last post.

What about unemployed Americans who have lost jobs just like yours? If I were in your position, doing what you do---stealing a job---I wouldn't be able to sleep a wink. That's why I would never do what you are doing. Don't come back with how I would do the same thing if I were in your position---because I would never have---or ever will---be in your position. I never will enter another country illegally. If I were brought to another country illegally as a child (which my parents would never have done), once I became an adult, I would have worked to right the wrong. As you have whined before, it wouldn't have been an easy thing to do---but whoever said that doing the right thing is always the easy thing?

One of those people you may be helping could well be an unemployed legal assistant. Yet you would sit there professing to help him/her all the while taking a job you're not entitled to---a job that could have saved that person from losing his/her home.

Once again, if your employer has hired you knowing that you are an illegal, he could get in trouble with the bar association. Before you get your panties in a bunch over what I just wrote---take a deep breath. This is no threat---just a simple statement of fact. Even if he hired you not knowing this fact, he could still find himself in trouble. Yet you continue to work this job not giving a hoot about how your actions have hurt---or could hurt--- so many people.

What more can I say? Trying to point out to you that what you are doing is morally wrong hasn't succeeded because you were never given a moral compass. Yet I did just try---I guess I'm an optimist. I hold out hope that you will one day have that lightbulb moment. However, I'm not holding my breath waiting for it either.

Tell you, what, Carrick---How about the next time you post it will be to tell us all how you did the right thing? In other words, most likely that means that we won't hear from you again.

Posted by: two4three2 | December 15, 2010 12:18 AM | Report abuse

ErikAh1 wrote:
"Let me take you back to History when roles were reversed, Mexico offered legal migration to Texas (when it was part of Mexico) Then too many Texans refused to follow the Mexican Law--pay taxes, get rid of their slaves, so Mexican govt. put a stop to the migration...but the Americans kept coming, illegally.. then what happened? Texans revolted..."
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Those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Posted by: ThoughtCrimeFormerlyExpat1 | December 15, 2010 3:21 AM | Report abuse

Hi Two4three2 --

Thanks for your comments -- you make some important points refuting illegals' recurring fallacies (America doesn't belong to Americans; everything "used to" belong to Mexico (and so now they can have "everything" back); Mexico's failed state is America's fault; Americans are xenophobic for wanting to protect our nation against invasion (but Mexicans are The Race, so nevermind their hatred of anglos and blacks).

You also make a good point that illegals really don't have a moral compass.

The comments you and I have remarked on really underscore that entitlement attitude, where illegals say "I'm here and I will never leave" and "We deserve money, benefits and citizenship more than lazy, bad Americans."

An influx of people whose idea of "contributing" is being handed everything on a silver platter in response to their demands will further weaken an America already compromised by decades of invasion.

Thanks again, Two4three2, and keep up the good work!

Posted by: wmpowellfan | December 15, 2010 5:07 AM | Report abuse

Contact your congressional representatives and ask them to research if it is constitutional for the government to not secure our borders, thereby leaving this country open to illegal immigrant children going to our schools and us paying the expense for educating them. Seems to be liberty and the pursuit of happiness includes protecting our tax dollars, so that they will be there when U.S. citizens and legal residents need them. Like now, for instance. These children may have the constitutional right to attend our schools, but the government may “not” have the constitutional right to stick us with the cost of educating them. We might be able to start charging them for the cost just like we do those foreign students that travel here legally to go to college.

Posted by: Edie3 | December 15, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Hey Two:

I did not you were a saint. It is hard not to criticize someone when you are a righteous person. I can sleep at night because I do a hell of a job for someone who fights for justice. I've helped undocumented kids to get into college because it is better than having them wasting their times away. While we wait for your dream scenario of mass deportation, I am actually helping my county by helping to educate those kids.

I went to the Circuit Court today to get a copy of the indictment of my goddaughter's daddy, a US citizen who abused his own LPR daughter. Instead of letting the county to take care of her, my mother and I chose to give her a roof and a meal every day. And, you continue to ask me why I continue to sleep at night. It is because I have not done anything bad to you or anyone else.

I was one of the people held at gunpoint two Saturdays ago by two African American young men who were doing some nice armed robberies at the corner of Jennifer and Wisconsin Ave. Now, man, that's crime right there. Endangering someone else's life for $20 dollars and an old cell phone is.

I will never claim that I am a saint. But, I can't never accept you comparing my actions with any other criminal activity. I never showed my boss any fraudulent ids. I never told him anything else than my rich legal experience.

How do you explain stories like mine if our immigration system was not broken? How do you explain my siblings and mother's legality? The United States of America allows these stories. And, I am not ashamed of what happen. Not because I lack a moral compass (I could be stealing, dealing or pimping if it was so), it is because I never hurt anyone with my actions.

I hope one day you will see that we are not machines. We are human beings. We are not perfect but imperfect. That's why your arguments about me being a crook are nothing but yours.

How much time has passed since the last time I was threatened with being reported to the ICE? Probably, 2 years and 9 months. There is a lot of work to be done on this issue. But, our politicians rather skip the subject. Let the Dream Act pass, let the immigration reform pass and any other bill that deals with secure our borders. But, do not come to me with trashy arguments on how you despise illegals because I am not one of those who you refer to. Peace.

Posted by: Carrick319 | December 15, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I still love America and I will always love it to my last dying day.

Posted by: Carrick319 | December 15, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Carrick writes:

And, you continue to ask me why I continue to sleep at night. It is because I have not done anything bad to you or anyone else

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You've not done anything bad to "anyone else"? Of course you have! You continue to take a job that you are not entitled to have while an American citizen with your skills continues to struggle to find work. You have no compunctions about sitting down with an unemployed American citizen legal assistant who can't find a job and is about to lose his/her house while you illegally work.

You have no concerns that if your lawyer was found to be hiring an illegal, he could face severe consequences from the bar association.

Your actions are either hurting people---or have the potential to do so. Yet you feel no remorse at all.
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You further write:

I was one of the people held at gunpoint two Saturdays ago by two African American young men who were doing some nice armed robberies at the corner of Jennifer and Wisconsin Ave. Now, man, that's crime right there. Endangering someone else's life for $20 dollars and an old cell phone is.
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Was it really necessary to mention the race of those criminals? Yes, they committed a crime---but so do you everyday you live here illegally. You---who wants to be a lawyer---should know that.
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Then you write this ridiculous paragraph;


I hope one day you will see that we are not machines. We are human beings. We are not perfect but imperfect. That's why your arguments about me being a crook are nothing but yours.

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My "arguments" about you being a crook are not just my argument---but also the argument of the majority of American citizens.
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"Trashy arguments"? Huh? Yes you are one of the illegals I refer to. It doesn't matter where in the world you came from or whether you violated our borders or overstayed a visa---you are an illegal alien. There are no degrees in differences. If you have no permission to be here, you are just like all the other illegals.
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BTW, your latest excuse for your mother being here illegally doesn't hold water. Plenty of uneducated women had the common sense to go to the authorities and ask for asylum due to abuse--yet your mother didn't. You see, whether or not a person has common sense has nothing to do with his/her education.
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You have no moral compass, Carrick. That's why you sleep at night. I never said I was a saint so cut the BS. However, I don't break any laws. If I did, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night. It's positively disgusting that you have no remorse for your actions.


Posted by: two4three2 | December 15, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, wmpowellfan, for your support. I don't cut Carrick any slack. He occasionally shows up in similar threads and pulls the same BS---which is trying to convince us all that he is superior to the average illegal. Yet again and again he shows no remorse for his actions. He only makes excuses. When he runs out of arguments, he becomes unhinged and makes abusive remarks. And he wants to be a lawyer. Oh the irony!

Please continue posting in these threads, wmpowellfan!

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BTW, Carrick, you don't love my country. If you think you love her, you have a very twisted sense of what it means to love a country. If you loved the US, you wouldn't be stealing a job from an unemployed American. You wouldn't have taken college seats away from American citizens, legal immigrants and foreign students who come here on student visas. You would have respected our immigration laws once you turned 18 years old. You wouldn't be helping other illegal aliens take college seats away from those who are US citizens or legally in this country.

So---don't tell us you love the US when your actions contradict your very words.

Posted by: two4three2 | December 15, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Two. You are hysterical. I feel really sorry for you. Too bad for you that these kids and I are not going anywhere. We will stay here and prove our cases. We are not going to run away just like the way you suggested me to do because we have the courage and the desire to fight.

We are not going to flee because we believe in the foundational principles upon which this country was born: one nation out of many.

My mother, my brothers and I will never leave this country because we love it. My own mother, the former illegal immigrant you dare to put down, has never knocked on the government's door for any assistance. She paid taxes. She is now 62 years old. Of course she is going to have a hard time looking for employment due to her age. Therefore, I must support her for as long as I can.

History has demonstrated that America is and has been always able to adjust itself to the changing times. Today is about demonizing illegal immigrants by painting them in their worst. I came here to point out your mistakes and wrong conceptions. But, still you ran away to your imaginary la la land, where the immigration laws are perfect.

You refuse to be reasonable. You refuse to accept any counter arguments because you believe that the "rule of law" can resist any attacks. But, even a person who gets a DWI has so many defenses and he may be guilty. But, he may given something else than such verdict since many factors are taken into consideration Mr. Saint.

I am not expecting you to change your mind. You'll attain true knowledge once you die. In the meantime, just watch how my family and my family's family flourish in this country.

Thank you and hasta muy pronto.

Posted by: Carrick319 | December 15, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Good grief, Carrick! Just give it up already! Everytime you post, you just continue to show that you have no moral compass. It's sick that you are so proud of that fact! Stop making excuses already---and do the right thing!

You blather:
Two. You are hysterical. I feel really sorry for you. Too bad for you that these kids and I are not going anywhere. We will stay here and prove our cases. We are not going to run away just like the way you suggested me to do because we have the courage and the desire to fight.

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I'm hysterical? ROTFLMAO! "run away"? You mean that if you went back to Peru and adjusted your status, that would be to "run away"? What kind of sick thinking is that? No, it would be doing the right thing---and the right thing is not always the easy thing to do---that's why you won't do it.

If you and your other illegal DREAMers had the "courage and desire to fight", then you all would go back to your native countries to correct the wrong that was done to you. Either adjust your status or stay and make your country a better place. That would be courageous---not hanging around illegally in my country demanding amnesty.
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more blather from you:

We are not going to flee because we believe in the foundational principles upon which this country was born: one nation out of many.
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The "foundational principles"? Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? I've got news for you, Erick --- this country also has immigration laws and expects those who want to be a part of our society to come in accordance with our laws. One nation out of many means that those who come here come because they are invited to do so. Illegal aliens have no right to be here. So cut the BS already!
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My mother, my brothers and I will never leave this country because we love it. My own mother, the former illegal immigrant you dare to put down, has never knocked on the government's door for any assistance. She paid taxes. She is now 62 years old. Of course she is going to have a hard time looking for employment due to her age. Therefore, I must support her for as long as I can.
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I do dare put your mother down. She should have knocked on the government's door when she showed up here and plead her case for asylum. Water under the bridge now but had she done so, you and your siblings would have long since been legalized. She did none of you any favors. Plus your 6 siblings can support her, too!
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No, our immigration laws are not perfect. They need to be enforced and changed to end chain migration. I'm not in "la la land"---you are. You have shown a blatant disrespect for my country---and continue to do so everytime you post.

You even have joined the ranks of those who resort to abusive name-calling to try to defend the undefendable. Has the apple not fallen far from the tree?

Posted by: two4three2 | December 15, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Two. It is impossible to reason with a person like you. Your contempt for people who are not "legal" is not a theme of debate. You can keep on talking trash about illegal immigrants and any comprehensive immigration reform initiative. But, keep always in your tiny mind that I am nothing, nothing, like the people you describe.

My family is now legal. Whether they steal their way in or not. Many families before mine during those immigration waves have done the same. And, do you think they think about it? You talk about the US as if it had been all about immigration laws enforcement. Really? Why do you insist in cheating yourself. I studied history, politics, law and I think I know enough to debunk your fallacious arguments.

If you want to be serious about the laws in the books, please start today. I believe we are quite too late to complain about what already happened. "You're not supposed to be here," is not a good line. I am here. Am I not?

This is my country, my country...mine...this land is for you and me!

Posted by: Carrick319 | December 15, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

No, Carrick, most people who came here around the turn of the 20th century, did not "steal their way in". They came and when they were processed either were allowed into this country or deported right back on the next boat. Don't equate what the majority did then to what your mother and millions of illegals are doing now. The US was a different place then. It was largely an agrarian and industrial society. Thus it was able to absorb large numbers of functionally illiterate people. Also, there was no welfare and assorted handouts as there is now. The US can't keep absorbing functionally illiterate people with the expectation that these people will prosper in these modern times. That's why there is no place in this society for invaders like you and your ilk. So, don't pretend that you know all about immigration history. And don't equate what your mother did to what happened so many years ago. When you do that, you're just trying to rationalize your continuing illegal presence in my country.

Talk about a "tiny mind"---don't project your failings on me, Erick!

BTW, I'm flattered that you think I'm a "saint". Truth is, I'm just a person who tries each and everyday to do the right thing. That involves obeying all our laws---whether I agree with them or not. That's something you obviously can't grasp. I also make it a point to never hurt another person---something you can't grasp either. Like anyone, there are times in my past that I said or did things I wish I could take back. However, I made it a point to apologize to the person and promised myself that I would never do something like that again.

Unlike you, I care deeply about my country---the USA---your country is Peru. I see the devastation that illegal immigration has caused and now do all I can to stop this disaster.

You seem to think that the US is a bottomless pit that can forever absorb the dregs of third world societies. However, you are so wrong. We don't have unlimited buildable land or potable drinking water.

I want the American Dream to be there for my grandkids and if things keep going like they are, it won't be there for them. They don't deserve that.

You may have studied all those courses you claim but it doesn't make you superior. You can never claim the high ground for you were never given a moral compass. Nor do you feel remorse for how your current actions hurt American citizens.

Now, if I were you, Erick, I'd just stop posting in this thread. By stooping to calling me abusive names, you've proven to have no legitimate argument. Nothing you can write will convince anyone here that you are somehow superior to other illegals---or that you love the USA.

Posted by: two4three2 | December 15, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

I will continue to do what I do best. I am not afraid of what can happen to me. So far, I have done a great deal for many US citizens. I do not have a criminal record. I work and pay taxes. I want to law school. I am going to keep on doing all those things whether you like it or not because it is my nature.

You do not know anything about my job. It does not come with all those benefits you take for granted. I have to pay for my own medical bills unlike what many of you say. I have to pay for all I get. Nothing is free. I paid my way through college. I did not make you pay it. I got in-state tuition because I chose to live in this state. I pay taxes in this state. Thus, what have I stolen from you? Nothing. You do not even feel my illegal presence. Do you? The only time you will ever feel my presence will be whenever you come here with unwarranted arguments about illegal immigrants.

As you said it, our country is going in the wrong direction...but, be a man or woman, and do not blame it on to the backs of illegal immigrants. There are thousands reasons more serious than illegal immigration. You want to cheat on yourself by thinking you are doing a civil service to this country by fighting illegal immigration. Keep on cheating on yourself.

If you want to help your country, our country, get a job that benefits this country instead of posting nonsense. That's what I am going to do starting 2011. I am going to make sure everyone in my family becomes legal and ready to vote. Then, I want you to repeat what you're saying to me now.

Once again, I love the USA. And, I am not going "nowhere." "Nowhere."

Posted by: Carrick319 | December 15, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

And, next time a guy like Ehrlich comes to try to bring his "let's run under the anti-illegal-immigration" rhetoric, we are going to handle him a defeat again. Watch and see Two. Please sit and watch.

Posted by: Carrick319 | December 15, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

I will continue to do what I do best. I am not afraid of what can happen to me. So far, I have done a great deal for many US citizens. I do not have a criminal record. I work and pay taxes. I want to law school. I am going to keep on doing all those things whether you like it or not because it is my nature.
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So---then that means if an American citizen who is an out of work legal assistant comes to you and the lawyer you work for and wants help to save his/her house, you will help him/her without feeling so much as a tinge of guilt? You don't feel any remorse for working a job that you have no right to take? A job that this person would gladly take---even without benefits? BTW, many Americans aren't getting benefits either. So stop whining.

All you've done for this person is continue to hurt him/her. Since you have no moral compass, you can't fathom that. You just post more rationalizations.
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I got in-state tuition because I chose to live in this state. I pay taxes in this state. Thus, what have I stolen from you? Nothing. You do not even feel my illegal presence. Do you? The only time you will ever feel my presence will be whenever you come here with unwarranted arguments about illegal immigrants.
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No, you got in-state tuition because MD is one of the states that ignored the federal law that makes it illegal to give in-state tuition to illegals. Thus, you stole a seat from an American citizen, legal immigrant, or a foreign student here on a visa. An American citizen who lives in another state and wanted to go to an MD state school was charged out of state tuition while you---who has no business being here---got in-state tuition.

If you were the only illegal in this country, no doubt I wouldn't feel your presence. However, there are 20 million or more of you so I do feel your presence on a daily basis.
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As you said it, our country is going in the wrong direction...but, be a man or woman, and do not blame it on to the backs of illegal immigrants. There are thousands reasons more serious than illegal immigration. You want to cheat on yourself by thinking you are doing a civil service to this country by fighting illegal immigration. Keep on cheating on yourself.
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Extremely warped thinking! Yes, this country has other problems, no doubt. However illegal immigration is one of its most serious. Let me see---the strain on our public schools, social services, neighborhoods, downward pressure on wages, displaced Americans in the job market---shall I go on?

No, I'm not cheating myself---nor are the many other activists who care about this country by working to stop this scourge. We get it---you don't---it's about the future of our country and what will be left for our children. Thank goodness that there are people like those of us who work to stop this invasion.

Stop rationalizing, Carrick. You have no moral compass. Give it up already!

Posted by: two4three2 | December 15, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Carrick further blathers:
And, next time a guy like Ehrlich comes to try to bring his "let's run under the anti-illegal-immigration" rhetoric, we are going to handle him a defeat again. Watch and see Two. Please sit and watch.
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For sure this will occur in sanctuary states like MD. When it happens again, the sanctuary states will be overrun with illegal aliens who are fleeing the states that are getting tough on illegal immigration.


When the sanctuary states get overrun, one of two things will happen:
1) American citizens and legal immigrants will get so fed up that they will start leaving the state. These people who will flee will be middle class---you know, the ones who pay the most taxes. Enough of them leave, there goes the tax base. Even if you illegals pay taxes, it's nowhere near enough to fund the schools, etc. Or;

2) American citizens will get fed up and start voting the bums out, replacing them with politicians who will do away with the sanctuary status. Then it will be the illegals who will be fleeing either in search of another sanctuary state or back to their own countries.

BTW, what's with "we"? You're not a citizen, you can't vote. This isn't your country. Go vote in Peru. Even better, run for office there. With your education, you can work to make a difference!

We'll see which way Maryland goes---won't we?

Posted by: two4three2 | December 15, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Two. You forget to say that I was taking the air from an American lung. Whatever you said can be summarized into the most simplistic way: "illegal is illegal." No matter what I do, what I achieve, is never going to be enough for you because I broke our so well enforced immigration laws by remaining illegally in the USA for more than a decade.

It does not matter whether I help our nurses from John Hopkins keep their homes. It does not matter if I raise a legal resident on my own without any help from the government. It does not mean if I support my legal matter. It does not matter whether I mentor kids for the City of Rockville. It does not matter whether I represented MC at a national tournament. Nothing matters but the fact that I am here taking a job away from one legal resident.

I can't embrace such reasoning. I am not part of your idealized illegal immigrant invasion. I am not the person who overcrowd your ERs. I am not the guy with five kids. I could be many things that you despise. But, I chose a different path for myself. I am a productive resident of the State of Maryland who works in Washington DC. I am a successful legal assistant helping citizens in distress from Baltimore County to PG's.

Nothing matters, I am a scoundrel under your eyes. But, who cares. My life is full of moments where I feel satisfied for how I turned out to be. And, this is the beginning. I am going to keep on doing these things because I love everything that I do.

Watch how Republicans kill the Dream Act. I bet my soul that this state is not going to be red in a long time. Moreover, if you decide to run away from this State, me and the Dreamers are going to make it sure it grows up better than it was before.

I already told you. No one will miss you.
See ya!

Posted by: Carrick319 | December 16, 2010 1:40 AM | Report abuse

Carrick---You were doing just fine until the third paragraph. However, you went really wrong when you hit the third paragraph and said:

I am a successful legal assistant helping citizens in distress from Baltimore County to PG's-----No, you're a job thief who is robbing an out of work American citizen legal assistant of a job. We've been through this over and over again, Erick. So, once again, since it isn't sinking in --- The fact that you can look this hypothetical person in the eye---a person who does the same work you do and needs a job to save his/her home, and profess to care about them all the while knowing you are stealing a job that they should have---shows a lack of a moral compass.
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Watch how Republicans kill the Dream Act. I bet my soul that this state is not going to be red in a long time. Moreover, if you decide to run away from this State, me and the Dreamers are going to make it sure it grows up better than it was before.

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Where did I say where I live anywhere in this thread?

You're delusional. If MD stays a sanctuary state, it will be its downfall. Doubt it? Look at what dire straits the biggest sanctuary state of them all is in---I'm referring to CA.

There are whole areas there where the middle class has fled in disgust. There are areas in MD where this has happened, too. If you think that you and the DREAMers are going to live the good life if MD continues on this path---well---I have some oceanfront property in Arizona I'd like to sell to you.
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Lastly, I leave you with this --- you say:

Nothing matters, I am a scoundrel under your eyes. But, who cares.

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Hmmm...it's very obvious that you care. Why else do you keep coming back and trying to tell us all over and over ad nauseum what a wonderful person you are? If you didn't care, you would have said your piece the first time then moved on. Better yet, you wouldn't have said a thing. Instead, you kept on posting all the while digging a deeper and deeper hole for yourself---even sinking so low as to make abusive comments. That's a strange way to behave for someone who doesn't care...

Either way, I'm glad that your most recent post is going to be your last one in this thread --- Gracias a Dios!

Posted by: two4three2 | December 16, 2010 3:09 AM | Report abuse

TOP PHONE TARGETS TODAY

UNDECLARED BUT LEANING YES

202-224-3121

ALASKA
Sen. Murkowski (R)
No statement on her web site and no media quotes. Daily Kos says multiple whips counts have her as a likely supporter. Most of the PRO-amnesty groups are counting her as a YES.

LOUISIANA
Sen. Landrieu (D)
She indicates that the House bill needs to be considered because it has some changes (suggesting that she will claim the House bill closes loopholes). She talks of major concern for the "children."

MICHIGAN
Sen. Stabenow (D)
She was a certain YES on cloture to start debate. But she has not indicated whether she would vote YES to end debate and thus pass the bill. She is up for re-election in 2012 in a state that turned sharply Republican in the 2010 elections. Now (as noted above), we are facing only a cloture vote to END debate. PRO-amnesty forces count her as theirs. But I don't think she has to be at all.

MISSOURI
Sen. McCaskill (D)
McCaskill has a wide-ranging interview on her web site. Appears to be leaning toward yes but its non-committal. She says (1) we have never punished children, (2) this is a different bill than the one I voted against, and (3) if this bill is more narrowly drawn, I will take a serious look at it. She needs to be reminded that any amnesty support will certainly show up when she tries to be re-elected in 2012 by a state that went sharply Republican in the 2010 elections.

NORTH DAKOTA
Sen. Dorgan (D)
He was a certain YES on cloture to start debate. But he has not indicated whether he would vote YES to end debate and thus pass the bill. Now (as noted above), we are facing only a cloture vote to END debate. In the past, he has been one of our most reliable NO votes on amnesty. But he is retiring and acting squishy. PRO-amnesty forces are counting him as theirs. I don't think that has to be true at all.

LEANING NO BUT PROBABLY NEED MORE ENCOURAGEMENT

202-224-3121

These Senators' staff continually tell our members that they will vote NO. But based on past performance, on current pressure from PRO-amnesty forces in their states, etc., our Hill Team believes they need lots more phone calls thanking them for their expected NO vote and reminding them why they are taking the ethically and practically correct position.

MAINE
Sen. Collins (R)
Sen. Snowe (R)

MONTANA
Sen. Baucus (D)

NORTH CAROLINA
Sen. Hagan (D)

NORTH DAKOTA
Sen. Conrad (D)

202-224-3121

Please make those calls. We can win this, like we have beaten every amnesty in every year since 2000.

Posted by: Edie3 | December 16, 2010 7:12 AM | Report abuse

Wow. I have lived in DC,Md,VA area
for 50 yrs. What it has become is
the left coast version of California.
All the leeches know where the money is.
And unfortunately, we have far... too many
Pelosi and Reid types calling the shots.
The D.C.area has been laid waste.We've Not heatlth diveristy, but a battle royal of
crazy. Over crowded,to expensive,unchecked unregulated growth and just weird. Good thing i have an excellent memory of what
it was. In this way, i can smile as I ignore the people only serve to facility, our regions decent into unchecked cultural chaos.Diversity indeed, more like, WWF
Royal Rumble meets Barnum Bailey.


Posted by: TEDMOSBY33333 | December 16, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Dos, you are out of your mind. Really, I think you lost it. At least with me, your claims about illegal immigrants in general are hereby debunked. I am here. I am real. Too bad, I can't say the same about you. Sayonara!

Posted by: Carrick319 | December 16, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Dos, you are out of your mind. Really, I think you lost it. At least with me, your claims about illegal immigrants in general are hereby debunked. I am here. I am real. Too bad, I can't say the same about you. Sayonara!

Posted by: Carrick319 | December 16, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

You couldn't resist, could you, Carrick? What's wrong? You have to have the last word all the time.

No, Erick, it is you who is deficient. You lack a moral compass. You keep your job knowing you're not entitled to work and deprive an American citizen of a job. And you tell ME I'm out of my mind? Get real, little boy! OMG! You have me ROTFLMAO! You should consider a career in stand-up comedy---in Peru.

My claims about illegals are certainly not debunked by you. You have the same characteristics as they all do --- no moral compass thus no remorse for your continuing illegal presence in my country and stealing a job plus a sense of entitlement.

Now vaya con Dios, little boy. You've lost every argument you've put forth in an effort to justify your illegal existence in my country.

BTW, if you doubt anything I wrote about how illegal aliens have devastated CA and are doing the same to parts of MD, remember, Erick---Google is your friend.

Posted by: two4three2 | December 16, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, TedMosby and, as usual, thank you, Edie. I have been in touch with my rep and senators. I'm proud of my rep---he voted "no" on the Nightmare Act.

You just have to read Carrick's posts here to see the mentality of illegal aliens. He thinks that this is his country. Like other illegals, his sense of entitlement is astounding. 20 million plus illegals who, like him, lack a moral compass therefore they feel entitled to steal jobs. And he calls ME delusional and worse!

He also wants us all to stop working to end illegal immigration. He thinks we're "cheating ourselves" by speaking out on this issue. What he really means is that we should not defend our borders and should invite the entire third world to live here.

Thank you to all who fight the good fight. We have to continue doing this so that the American Dream will still be here for our kids and grandkids.

Posted by: two4three2 | December 16, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

NP,dude. PC gone amok. We didn't get to
break the rules,you all... sure as h@ll can't
be allowed to do so.

Posted by: TEDMOSBY33333 | December 16, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Two. No dude I believe you are entitled to defend your opinion. But, you will hit the wall when you try to misinform others. You want to have a clean exchange of theories, approaches or philosophies. I do not oppose it. But, you always ran behind you sole and unique argument: "illegal is illegal."

You said that I took a job from a legal resident. The two previous law firms I worked for have not, have not, hired anyone else after I left them. The job is there where I left it. But, why did not these attorneys hire someone else? I don't know. Now, I work in Washington DC for another attorney who loves my passion for real estate law.

You can say whatever you want to defend your position. But, do not let me hear you say I am like all those illegal immigrants you love to attack.

Posted by: Carrick319 | December 16, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Carrick---Here's a shout-out to you---listen up:

YOU ARE LIKE ALL THOSE ILLEGAL ALIENS!

I've explained to you just why you are. However, you are seriously in denial. Typical of all illegals---you feel entitled to be here and steal jobs. You have no moral compass and no remorse for your illegal actions.

As for the last two law firms you hoodwinked --- Perhaps they didn't hire anyone to replace you due to the bad economy. Don't make it seem like you are special and indispensable.

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Yes, "illegal is illegal". There are no degrees of illegality when referring to illegal aliens. Either you are here legally or you're not. Even you who wants to be a lawyer (oh the irony!) should know that. Don't tell me about illegals who are in the process of adjusting their status. Even they are here illegally until it's sorted out. If they have temporary papers, then, yes, they are allowed to be here. No papers of any kind=illegal alien.

Give it up already! I see you're already blathering in another thread---and you haven't convinced anyone there yet either.

Vaya con Dios, little boy.

Posted by: two4three2 | December 16, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Two:

What can I say? Your brains are fixed. I took you to a point where you said exactly what I wanted you to say: you hate illegal aliens period. How do you want to discuss this issue if you are unable to do so?

I, by thinking the way I do, speak more like an American than you do. I speak of the truth, of reason and other American core values. You, on the other hand, tried to misinform others to agree with your stupid, pathetic and hysterical ideas.

Let us take our conversation to a fair minded forum and I will broke you down to pieces. I am legal now you boy!

Posted by: Carrick319 | December 16, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

I, by thinking the way I do, speak more like an American than you do. I speak of the truth, of reason and other American core values. You, on the other hand, tried to misinform others to agree with your stupid, pathetic and hysterical ideas.

Let us take our conversation to a fair minded forum and I will broke you down to pieces. I am legal now you boy!
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So---now you're saying you're here legally. Then what you're telling us is that you are a pathological liar, too. As I pointed out to you, you need a notebook to keep track of the lies.

Just as I suspected---you lack character as well as a moral compass. No surprises there, little boy.

What the heck are your ideas of "American core values"? Oh, let me guess---you think we shouldn't have borders and we should surrender our sovreignty to invading hordes of illegals. You think we should have a billion people and descend into third world status.

So my ideas about illegal aliens are "stupid and pathetic"? Well...then, I guess, to you the majority of American citizens are the same way. We are fed up with this invasion. The joke is on you---you and your minions are the ones who are "stupid and pathetic"---entiende?

Sorry, little boy, but that's not what my relatives who served this country fought for. They fought to protect our way of life. You, however, want to threaten it.

Who knows if you are really legal? However, thanks for that bit of info---if it's true. We all know that we can add pathological liar along with no moral compass to what we know about you. You are just like all the other illegals.

If you start the BS about your status again, I will call you out should you pull this in another thread.

Now that you've fully disgraced yourself, I think you should just slink away and lay low for a while. I doubt you'll do that because you inherited a lack of common sense, in addition to no moral compass, from your mother.

Posted by: two4three2 | December 16, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Interesting that this article starts with, "If Senate Republicans kill the Dream Act, I and many millions of Hispanics will take it as a slap in the face."

So how do you take it NOW - knowing that Obama and former Governor of AZ Napolitano have deported a historical number of undocumented immigrants in 2010 as reported in this same newspaper - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/05/AR2010120503230.html

How do you feel about the Silent Raids launched by Obama where Hispanics are scared out of the work place by threatening letters from Obama's Department of Labor - http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/10/us/10enforce.html

This Anti-Immigrant White House Policy was not discovered by FOX News but by a group of Left Wing Liberal Latino organizations that reported this trend in March 2010 - You could see this C-Span video of the Press Conference - http://www.budurl.com/deported

So if you want to continue to be slapped around - simply continue to twist the facts like FOX News - and join the ranks of unethical writers in America.

The real enemy of the DREAM Act is Obama - because what is it worth having a child go to college while their parents get DEPORTED by the Obama and Napolitano Anti-Immigration Policies.

Posted by: Eliud | December 17, 2010 6:50 AM | Report abuse

Interesting that this article starts with, "If Senate Republicans kill the Dream Act, I and many millions of Hispanics will take it as a slap in the face."

So how do you take it NOW - knowing that Obama and former Governor of AZ Napolitano have deported a historical number of undocumented immigrants in 2010 as reported in this same newspaper - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/05/AR2010120503230.html

How do you feel about the Silent Raids launched by Obama where Hispanics are scared out of the work place by threatening letters from Obama's Department of Labor - http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/10/us/10enforce.html

This Anti-Immigrant White House Policy was not discovered by FOX News but by a group of Left Wing Liberal Latino organizations that reported this trend in March 2010 - You could see this C-Span video of the Press Conference - http://www.budurl.com/deported

So if you want to continue to be slapped around - simply continue to twist the facts like FOX News - and join the ranks of unethical writers in America.

The real enemy of the DREAM Act is Obama - because what is it worth having a child go to college while their parents get DEPORTED by the Obama and Napolitano Anti-Immigration Policies.

Posted by: Eliud | December 17, 2010 6:50 AM | Report abuse

That is why the Dream Act will never be passed. No only does it reward the guilty illegal immigrant parents, but it jeopardizes the future of the children of U.S. mother and fathers. I will not risk them. It appears you can. These children seem to be forgotten for the sake of the children of illegal immigrants. Remember just like the parents should "not" be here, the same goes for the children. It is time for these illegal immigrants and their children to find their destiny back in their own countries. Because the U.S. is "not" their country. Despite all the sentimental treble they want to spout.

Posted by: Edie3 | December 17, 2010 7:46 AM | Report abuse

Wow,'right and wrong' cannot be reversed.
You, and anyone who chooses to take the
logical, not emotional position, cannot
refute that. Illegal by definition implies
breaking of the rules. Arguing otherwise is
indefensible. What you all are attempting
to do is change the rules. That may be,
the definition of a cheater. You folks will
never have my respect,because you cheat and
try to justify it.We are here, to make sure you don't get the "gold medal" (of
amnesty) you do not deserve it. Those that
support you, are advocating having two different sets of rules, one for Americans citizens to follow, and another for you
people. They know in their hearts they are
hypocrites. And, so do we.

Posted by: TEDMOSBY33333 | December 17, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Two. What you wrote made me smile. We are not done yet.

Posted by: Carrick319 | December 17, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Two. What you wrote made me smile. We are not done yet.

Posted by: Carrick319 | December 17, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

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Neither are we, Carrick. And remember---we're in the majority. We won't let you and your fellow invaders ruin our country. You and your ilk have wakened a sleeping giant with your outrageous demands. So---I thank you for that and encourage you and your minions to keep up the good work.

Of course my words made you smile. You have no conscience. It's what one can expect from a pathological liar with no moral compass.

Posted by: two4three2 | December 17, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Two...you too...I must thank you. You just woke up a real sleeping giant. Mine and other million of families will side with those who supported this good law. It is a good law because it helps students who are here whether we want it or not. Besides not having broken any laws and contributing to America through their community involvement, they have done a hell of a job in school.

Many people complain about our school programs and here we have these kids who have proved that our failures in education may be something beyond the classroom, beyond our teachers' ability to teach.

Please do not make a fool of yourself by saying that you represent the majority of the US citizens. You don't. I do not think every one here is as unreasonable as you are. The only difference between you and a minuteman is that you use more technical words like moral compass, pathological liar and sense of entitlement.

I am going to stay here no matter what. Even if the Dream Act dies in the Senate, no one is leaving. We will never forget what will happen today. We are ready to win or lose.

Posted by: Carrick319 | December 18, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

This kid carrick, is representative of
the root of the problem with these illegal
aliens. They, believe,if they scream and
whine non stop, and long enough - mommy, the
(USA) will give them a toy, i.e. (the gift of
amnesty). Mommy said NO! Now, cayatte.

Posted by: TEDMOSBY33333 | December 18, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Hey Schumacher-Matos -
Can I slap you now?


Posted by: ThoughtCrimeFormerlyExpat1 | December 19, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Hey, Carrick, you forget we can vote---you and your minions can't vote (unless you do so fraudently). Plus your precious DREAM Act failed. Yessss! Si Se Puede! And WE are in the majority! Stop being in denial, pobrecito!

Posted by: two4three2 | December 19, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Carrick, you forget we can vote---you and your minions can't vote (unless you do so fraudently). Plus your precious DREAM Act failed. Yessss! Si Se Puede! And WE are in the majority! Stop being in denial, pobrecito!

Posted by: two4three2 | December 19, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

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