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Posted at 4:25 PM ET, 12/20/2010

The Dream Act joins a shameful tradition

By Edward Schumacher-Matos

In 1830, Congress passed the Indian Removal Act. It forced most Native Americans in the Deep South to move to Oklahoma in what became known as the "trail of tears and death."

Then in 1850, Congress passed the Fugitive Slave Law. It required federal law enforcement officials to arrest any black person in the North that a Southern slaveholder declared as his. Blacks were forcibly shipped south under the law.

In 1882, Congress turned international and passed two laws that called for the deportation of immigrants who were convicts, "lunatics" or "idiots"; one of the laws also targeted many Chinese. The Chinese helped build the railroads and open the West, but nativists had demanded their expulsion.

In the first decades of the 20th century, Congress passed another series of deportation laws, this time aimed at eastern and southern European immigrants who were suspected also of being socialists or anarchists. In 1919 and 1920, thousands were dragged from their homes in the two massive "Palmer Raids" and, often within hours, put on ships.

In 1952, Congress severely limited judicial review of deportation cases; after President Harry Truman objected that the law was too severe, Congress overrode his veto. Two years later, in what officials called "Operation Wetback," nearly 1 million Mexicans suspected of not having visas were summarily rounded up in the Southwest and sent across the border.

Most of us cringe at these past examples of Congress covering itself in shame by stripping almost all rights from ethnic groups not considered fully American and expelling or forcibly shipping them elsewhere. Boston College law professor Daniel Kanstroom, and Donald Kerwin of the Migration Policy Institute have assembled a dispassionate multimedia timeline of some of this past at www.deportationnation.org.

And now it has happened again. History surely will not look kindly on the 35 Republicans and six Democrats in the Senate who on Saturday killed the Dream Act, which would have saved from deportation hundreds of thousands of unauthorized immigrant youths who are here through no fault of their own but who go to college or join the military.

These young people are of many nationalities, but the overwhelming number are Hispanic, and there is no doubt that the public pressure on Congress is largely aimed at limiting the growth of Latinos in the country.

In the final days before the vote, for example, the main argument used by Dream Act opponents was this one sent by Republican Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison to a constituent and confirmed by her office:

"On November 30, 2010, Senator Richard Durbin (D-IL) introduced this bill, which would allow for a 10-year conditional non-immigrant visa that would lead to eventual citizenship. Once they become U.S. citizens, these individuals would by law be able to petition for family members to also gain citizenship. This would therefore expand citizenship beyond the intended students. Because of this, I am unable to support the current version of the Dream Act."

In other words, the issue is not precedence or legality but the number of relatives, and in Hutchison's state of Texas, that means more Mexicans. It would probably take 20 years before any of these relatives could arrive -- 10 for the Dream Act youth to get citizenship and 10 in waiting time for a relative's visa -- but no matter the time or that it is legal.

It also is not enough to say, as Republican Sen. Lindsay Graham of South Carolina did Saturday, that our immigration system is broken. We all know that. What we expect from our political leaders is wisdom and leadership in how to fix it. What we have gotten instead is cowardism and deferring to today's kick-'em-out mob.

Almost anyone close to the Senate on this issue will tell you that some 80 percent of senators personally believe that we need a comprehensive immigration fix that includes improved enforcement, a legal temporary worker program and legalization of the estimated 11 million unauthorized immigrants here.

That not even worthy youths can be legalized effectively means that immigration reform is dead until after the next presidential election. What we will get in the meantime is more deportations. Nearly 400,000 were kicked out last year, only a small percentage of them legitimate criminals.

How many more does it take for the shame to be felt by us all?

By Edward Schumacher-Matos  | December 20, 2010; 4:25 PM ET
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What do you call a government that has a Constitutional obligation to protect its borders and its citizens, but that government turns a blind eye and allows an estimated 40 million people to invade its land through an open border? Americans have a Dream Act, they dream that our government will actually do its job by securing the border and deporting illegals. Pass a law to end the Ankhor Baby route to citizenship.

Operation Wetback run by President Eisenhower was the most successful project in recent times. Mexicans did not like it because unlike today, those deported were sent on ships or buses deep into Mexico where they could not simply jump the border again.

Our government has stopped construction of the border fence and is now using securing our border as a bargaining chip to grant amnesty.

Maybe we need to start sending some of our government officials to prison for this outrage. Bring General McCrystal out of retirement and put him in charge of securing the borders.

Posted by: Bubbette1 | December 20, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

How many of those politicians live in a neighborhood that has been overrun with Mexicans?

How many have Mexican gangs hang out on their property and do thousands of dollars worth of damage?

How many live in areas where Mexican LA RAZA groups force the police to treat gangs like endangered species?

How many of these politicians have seen senior citizens on the way to church get attacked by illegals who want money not education?

How many people know that Luis Gutierrez moved out of his 4th district to get away from the crime that his people commit?

What exactly do Americans owe Mexicans as they never lifted a finger to help fight any of the wars Americans did during the 20th century?

How many people know that Mexicans overpopulated Mexico by quadrupling its population over the last 60 years?

How many people know that there are more than 125 countries that are poorer than Mexico yet Mexicans want to be fed first.

How many people know that the supposedly religious Mexican in America doesn't even go to church or contribute yet they seem to drive brand new SUVs.

How many people know that Mexicans have been getting loans for homes even though qualified Americans are denied.

How many Americans know that Mexicans contribute very little to the education of their own children as they claim poverty and live in areas that get aid from state and federal funds that are denied to Americans.

Posted by: BULLFIGHTER11-11 | December 20, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Inflammatory much Edward?

1. Indian Removal Act - Has nothing to do with ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. Nice try though.

2. Fugitive Slave Law - Again. Has nothing to do with ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

3. "In 1882, Congress turned international and passed two laws that called for the deportation of immigrants who were convicts, "lunatics" or "idiots"; one of the laws also targeted many Chinese." - Are you proposing that since they helped build the railroad we should not have expelled criminal immigrants?

4. '"Palmer Raids" ...and, often within hours, put on ships.' - I agree with you on this but let's keep this in context. The Palmer Raids occurred in the larger context of the Red Scare, and was the reaction against radicals here in the years immediately following WW I.

5. "In 1952...Two years later, in what officials called "Operation Wetback," nearly 1 million Mexicans suspected of not having visas were summarily rounded up in the Southwest and sent across the border." - BRAVO!

6. "History surely will not look kindly on the 35 Republicans and six Democrats in the Senate who on Saturday killed the Dream Act,..." - I disagree

7. "Most of us cringe at these past examples of Congress" - Most of us? Post your figures please

8. "...there is no doubt that the public pressure on Congress is largely aimed at limiting the growth of Latinos in the country."- I disagree. You say there is no doubt. I doubt. America has proven herself to be most accepting of LEGAL immigrants.

9. I agree with Republican Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison but I don't see any reference to Hispanics in her statement. Our country is in big trouble. We need to stem the flow of immigrants and STOP the flow of illegals combined with a great effort to send them home. The money spent on trying to secure our borders, plus the billions we spend every year on them would be better spent on making the South of the border countries more habitable. Illegal immigration and amnesty are not the answer.

10. "In other words, the issue is not precedence or legality but the number of relatives, and in Hutchison's state of Texas, that means more Mexicans." - In other words? Don't you mean in YOUR words? Her concern is legitimate and the only one I see inserting Mexican instead of ILLEGAL ALIEN, is you.

11. "What we expect from our political leaders is wisdom and leadership in how to fix it. What we have gotten instead is cowardism and deferring to today's kick-'em-out mob." - MOB? They don't have the right to be here.

12. "Almost anyone close to the Senate...and legalization of the estimated 11 million unauthorized immigrants here." - If this were true Dream Act would have passed

Respectfully
Bev Yaklich-Lopez

Posted by: BYaklich | December 20, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

"unauthorized immigrant youths"

Oh, you mean the criminals right?

Posted by: emailk0rt | December 20, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

"Nearly 400,000 were kicked out last year, only a small percentage of them legitimate criminals."

Also if I might point out, being here without "authorization" is against the law and EVERYTHING against the law is illegal. If you do something illegal then you're a criminal. Therefore, they were ALL criminals.

There's no way to dodge that fact. A turd pie with sugar on top is still a turd pie.

Posted by: emailk0rt | December 20, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

to all,

what we need to do is:
1. pass a law that makes hiring any illegal alien a felony, punishable by both a large fine (say, 10,000USD) and a prison term of at least two years for each offense,
2. require every city/county/parish/state to apprehend every illegal alien who committs a crime and report that arrest to ICE,
3. deny all "public services" to illegal aliens,
4. ship every single illegal alien out of the USA, as soon as their presence is detected by any public/private agency
and
5. prosecute every illegal who, once removed from the USA, returns unlawfully to our nation by a minimum penalty of one year in jail.

this wholesale violation of our borders/immigration laws simply must stop.

if BHO had a functioning brain (and/or he wants to be re-elected in 2012), he would immediately dispatch a military unit of at least division size to the borders & seal the borders against illegal guns/drugs/aliens. = sadly, BHO hasn't got the guts and/or the brains to do what needs doing.

sincerely, Retired MP46

Posted by: retiredMP46 | December 20, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

How many of these 'poor' youths are you supporting off of your own pay Edward? How many are you personally paying for? Do you have gangs in your kids' schools Edward? Do you live in a neighborhood with drunks racing up and down the streets, blasting Latino Rap and throwing bottles out the windows? Have your daughters been followed home from middle school by men twice her age? How many teen pregnancies are waddling around your local high school and are you supporting them? You are a totally pandering chump. These kids would not wee wee on you if you were on fire. look at the elderly couple in Chevy Chase-see how their help was repaid.

Posted by: stopthemadness | December 20, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Is this guy SERIOUS???? How dare you compare people that are in this country ILLEGALLY, and came here ILLEGALLY to those who were forced here(slaves), and to those people that were already here(Native Americans)!! SHAME on you MR Schumacher-Matos! How did this retard get a job for this paper? This ASSCLOWN needs to be fired!

Posted by: seamanjust | December 20, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

In Colorado for the 2010-2011 school year, our budget has been cut by $360 MILLION dollars, yet we are being forced to spend $143 MILLION on English as a second language. We have a 70% drop out rate amongst illegal and anchor children.

When my husband started Kindergarten, he didn't speak English. Luckily he wasn't burdened by ESL and grew up as a functioning American, accent free and a very productive member of American society.

The other day he told me he envied me for being born here. He has a statement on his website warning illegals against applying for work with his company. He loves America and has an unwavering loyalty to AMERICA.

Unwavering loyalty to AMERICA is sorely lacking amongst the illegal and anchor crowd.

Posted by: BYaklich | December 20, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

You lib's never learn but I give you credit in trying amnesty one more time. I will gladly support your wet Dream Act if you can support me on these few measly items.
1) Secure our borders, zero tolerance for illegal intrusions.
2) No federal aid to sanctuary cities. Don't like the law, change it, don't ignore it.
3) Halt all immigration until we know who is supposed to be here and who have overstayed their welcome.
4) Remove all illegal gang members, felons and other assorted illegal dregs on society.

Support me on these and I will gladly support your deal. If not, good luck selling this song and dance to the American people.

Posted by: elcigaro1 | December 20, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Hum, I'm not a Republican but dead set against Dream or any other bills to reward ILLEGALS. I don't care what party you are in, if you reward ILLEGAL aliens I will do everything in my power to see you don't stay in office. Everyone really knows that Dream was a gift of "special rights" for Latinos to get their vote. Yes there are others groups but Dream was for them. Rewarding ILLEGAL behavior creates more ILLEGAL behavior! If we had 300,000 ILLEGAL aliens in our country that would be a serious problem. The reality is we have between 12 - 30 million ILLEGALS in our country. That is more than a problem, it is an INVASION and a danger to our culture and way of life. There is NO diversity when you flood a nation with one group of people!

Posted by: mayaying | December 20, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Only thing I can say is that, you could not be more wrong like a person who is wearing two left shoes. How can you equate what happen in the past to people who were U.S. citizens or residents--to people who are here in the United States illegally? How? These people broke the law by entering unlawfully(invaders)and now, going to our elected officials in D.C. trying to influence our election process....this is unheard of. What other country allow this?? They are very lucky that the DHS buses were not standing-by to give them a one way ticket to their home country. Now, I'm fair and I would give them a chance, but not by that ridiculous Act they voted on a few days ago. Here is my DREAM ACT:

1. Go to college and earn a four year degree; or be in the military for more then ten years; after completion of either one...

2. Join the U.S. Peace Corps for four years.

After completion, the person then can apply for conditional residency and C/R will last for ten years. After ten years of C/R, the person can apply for residency status. Once the five years of residency status is over, the said person can apply for citizenship.

The person CANNOT have a criminal record; and MUST have a high diploma, NO GED.

Also, the said person who becomes a citizen under this ACT, CANNOT sponsor no one.

Now, this will make them work hard for our citizenship. Also, I would put "cannot run for public office" but I think thats going to far.

Posted by: takayh64 | December 20, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

In the short run, the GOP will do okay with this issue, which clearly has a racial element regardless of what the Fox News crowd claims. Bigots, who are a core constituency of the modern GOP, will support GOP candidates who use undocumented Hispanics as targets (or Muslims or gays or black people, for that matter). Rightwingers can deny that, but they're lying if they do. In the longer term, the GOP has to accept comprehensive immigration reform or risk becoming a permanent minority in Congress. Go for it.

Posted by: KingMax | December 20, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Not gonna give it up are you Edward? In keeping with the gracious ways of the liberals, "You lost; get over it." We don't want amnesty in any form; what we do want is for the federal government to do it's job in enforcing our borders. Perhaps the very fact that the government isn't enforcing immigration law is the primary reason that most of us are against the DREAM act.

Posted by: tnvret | December 20, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

A lot of "opinion" by the author. I still fail to understand what people think 'illegal' means. Perhaps the author can explain the meaning of illegal in his next column. The "students" are here illegally. They should not be here, and should be expelled along with their parents and other relatives who entered our country illegally and continue to stay here, illegally. Doesn't matter if they came from China, Mexico, Ireland, Canada. This is not racial issue, irrespective of the usual tact taken by folks who disagree.

Posted by: dmorris14 | December 20, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

LOL.The Fugitive Slave act is now akin to not passing the DREAM Act.

I guess the illegal proponents are not satisfied ripping off the Civil Rights Movements now they are going for broke.

Posted by: cleancut77 | December 20, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

I am disturbed by the number of comments equating potential DREAM Act recipients with drunks, gang members, or pregnant teens. We are talking about English-speaking, long-term-resident kids, many of whom work harder in school than my kids do. My own (white) teens have played soccer for a decade or more with a few of these kids. They do not remember living anywhere else. They get good grades, want to serve this country, and go to college to become productive citizens. They would be an asset.

Posted by: mbeck3 | December 20, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

emailk0rt said "EVERYTHING against the law is illegal. If you do something illegal then you're a criminal. Therefore, they were ALL criminals." Lots of stuff is illegal: speeding, running a stop sign, driving with an expired license, fudging your tax return, buying a drink with a fake ID, failing to pay your nanny's social security, littering, etc. By this logic, lots of Americans are criminals.

Posted by: mbeck3 | December 20, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Immigration reform requires strong leadership from the White House and an all-out effort. However, so far Obama has refused to make immigration reform a priority. The Dems made a last minute effort to pass the Dream Act which would only legalize some 800k immigrants while leaving more than ten million suffering undocumented immigrants behind without any hope.
COMPRHENSIVE LEGALIZATION IN 2011, BY CONGRESS OR AN EXECUTIVE ORDER, OR OBAMA MUST STEP ASIDE IN 2012.

Posted by: mehuwss | December 20, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

The illegals are trespassing on the lands
of tribes native to the united states,
such as the Cherokee. I, have Cherokee
ancestors, and I say, we did not invite you here - Anglos,Indians,or Blacks. So, you people, have no claim to this land, and did not ask premisson of us to be here.
Especially on the east coast and
in the north, or south. If you want to take
it there....I say this is my homeland. Now, cayatte and adios.

Posted by: TEDMOSBY33333 | December 20, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

That is to say, the Anglos,Indians, and Black
Americans, did not invite the illegal Alien
squatters to invade the USA.

Posted by: TEDMOSBY33333 | December 20, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Just amazing how many absolute jerks there are who want to call people criminals whose "crime" is that their parents came into the U.S. illegally.

Posted by: lemondog | December 20, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

I believe in current history, and I believe in the reality of our times. We've seen a tremendous amount of illegal immigration into this country, much from Mexico. We're heavily leveraged and can not afford to keep spending as if we have the resources - we don't. The illegal youth should have an opportunity to gain citizenship, but not on our dime. If they want it, it should be earned. Get a job, pay for their education, and learn English. Hard to do - YES - can it be done - YES. At the same time they should discuss the issue of illegal immigration with there parents, or whom everade the decision to circumvent the laws of our country. We can not get stumped on what we did early in our countries history - we can only make the best decision based on current history, current realities, and to balance it all with the grace of God.

Posted by: rutlandthirteen | December 20, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Where did you get your information, mbeck? Long-term? Would that be yesterday, last week or ten years ago? Since the parents are here illegally, there is no record stating how long they've lived here. In other words, ANY illegal can claim "long-term" residency. The Dream Act was the first step toward blanket amnesty. Nothing should be considered before closing the borders. Can you imagine the rush on the border if this bill had passed?

Matos' comparisons are uninformed and dishonest at best. What was done to our Native American ancestors and slaves who were forced to leave their native lands are black marks in our history. Having illegals flood this country with no intention of leaving their Mexican flag at the border and asking the American taxpayer to support them is criminal.

Posted by: bethg1841 | December 20, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Newspeak- by definition illegal means a
crime WAS committed,Newton. Or, should I say
Winston Smith (Orwell)reference, if your a brain washed green horn, which,you likely are.

Posted by: TEDMOSBY33333 | December 20, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

These immigrants were pushed off their land by NAFTA, and had to flee north in search of work. And they have had no problem finding work. But hypocrites call them "criminals" for doing what NAFTA has set them up to do. Yet you don't see these hypocrites trying to repeal NAFTA.

It's OK if you do back breaking dangerous labor such as cleaning up Ground Zero after it was deemed too dangerous for union workers, and you can deposit your paychecks in our banks because that makes us money. You can pick crops to keep our food affordable. You can even serve in the military and go before a firing squad to fight for OUR country, but go to college, and apply for citizenship? Nope. Then you would be equal, and we can't have that. We need a new group of people to oppress and tey won't let us do it to the blacks anymore.

You guys were dumb to vote for Obama!

They should eliminate unemployment benefits and let Real Americans go pick crops, and do some real work for a change.

Posted by: sunnyday1 | December 20, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

The racism that is so evident in most of these comments is appalling. Yes, that includes you, Bev Yaklich-Lopez. Would you have married your husband if he'd had an accent? I doubt it, based on your post.

Posted by: nyskinsdiehard | December 20, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

What shame?

Shame for wanting to live by the rule of law and having people wait their turn like everyone else who comes here legally there is no shame in that.

The real shame is that people like you Mr Matos hate the American citizen and basically spit on the people who came here legally and followed the rules.

There is shame here but it is you and the la raza crowd that bear the most of it.

Posted by: PennyWisetheClown | December 20, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

I am disturbed by the number of comments equating potential DREAM Act recipients with drunks, gang members, or pregnant teens. We are talking about English-speaking, long-term-resident kids, many of whom work harder in school than my kids do. My own (white) teens have played soccer for a decade or more with a few of these kids. They do not remember living anywhere else. They get good grades, want to serve this country, and go to college to become productive citizens. They would be an asset.

Posted by: mbeck3

========================================

I suspect that the bill failed because like the parable of the camel's nose under the tent many think it's too broad and it's a first step to a general amnesty for illegals what Eddie would call "comprehensive" immigration reform.

Posted by: bbface21 | December 20, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

If 80% of the senators believed in this author's idea of what comprehensive immigration should be, we would see the passage of a comprehensive immigration bill. The simple truth is that 80% of the senators do not agree with this author's view of what comprehensive immigration should look like. It is very hard if not impossible to take anything this author says seriously.

Posted by: jeffreed | December 20, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Since when do we label the acts of 2-, or 4-, or 8-year-old children - or rather, in this case the acts of their parents, who brought them into the US - as "illegal"? I honestly don't think these kids could be charged in a court of law - if you can't be charged with murder at age 8, how can you be charged with having crossed a border illegally?

One could, I suppose, make the argument that once they reach the age of reason / legal responsibility - 18, let's say - these kids should spontaneously pack their bags and either leave behind their families or, from their junior position within the family, convince their elders to return with them to a country they may not even consciously remember.

This is of course a patently unrealistic thing to expect of almost anyone, let alone an 18-year-old. I've no doubt that the various anti-immigrant commenters here would never expect such remarkably altruistic, self-sacrificing behavior from any American teen who'd been illegally carried into and spent most of his or her youth/adolescence in a foreign country.

Expressing hatred toward individuals whose "criminal" situation arose entirely as a result of the actions of someone else - in this case, their parents - strikes me as the last desperate lashing out of people who lack any adult capacity to rein in their anger. Essentially, you're blaming children for the crimes of their parents.

And based on these sorts of attitudes, we're supposed to serve as some sort of moral beacon to the rest of the world.

Posted by: mjabele | December 20, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Saying illegals should be deported is NOT racist!! Being in this country illegally is against the law. In many countries, being there illegally will get you killed. If you are a child and your parent brought you illegally, that is sad, but it is still against the law. All these illegals should be deported and anyone giving them a job should be fined heavily. The only reason the dems want them to stay is because they think they can buy their votes. This is shameful. In fact, the pres and dems have forsaken their oath to uphold the constitution and should be impeached.

Posted by: annnort | December 20, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

I wasn't finished. There are a lot of Americans being recruited by Terrorist groups. I'm willing to bet most are Americans born here. Perhaps you all should redirect and really stop and think who should be more afraid of.

Posted by: diamondragon64 | December 21, 2010 1:16 AM | Report abuse

All this anger and hate directed towards illegals and hispanics in general is highly disturbing. Is this really about the DREAM Act or about people finally being able to speak out against hispanics? Seriously, you all are afraid of illegal minors who have lived here most of their lives and are doing good in school and are involved in their communities and want to go to college and/or serve their country? Truthfully, I am more afraid of that guy who provided confidential documents to Wikileaks and by the way, there are a lot of Americans being recruited by terrorist groups. You all should be more afraid of those facts.

Posted by: diamondragon64 | December 21, 2010 1:23 AM | Report abuse

Also, to all of those who insist that the circumstances of these innocent youths doesn't matter because the law is the law and it shouldn't be broken, can any of you really say you've never broken the law in any way, shape or form? Only you and your conscience and God know the answer to that. But if it is yes, then you have no right to judge or say anything.

Posted by: diamondragon64 | December 21, 2010 1:35 AM | Report abuse

The racism that is so evident in most of these comments is appalling. Yes, that includes you, Bev Yaklich-Lopez. Would you have married your husband if he'd had an accent? I doubt it, based on your post.

Posted by: nyskinsdiehard

________________________________________

Be specific nyskinsdiehard. What did I say that is racist? You're like the little boy who cried wolf. Nobody is listening anymore. Racist racist racist = wolf wolf wolf.

Posted by: BYaklich | December 21, 2010 2:26 AM | Report abuse

emailk0rt, it's a pity there isn't some sort of act that would encourage more education for individuals such as yourself. Your claim that, "EVERYTHING against the law is illegal. If you do something illegal then you're a criminal", is the usual twisted misinformation we've all come to expect from the "Anti's". It's a well know fact (at least amongst those of us with basic intelligence) that there is two different area's of law .. criminal law and civil law. Sorry to be the one to break this to you, but immigration violations are for the most part civil violations and no amount of wishing on your part is going to make these people "Criminals!".

Posted by: gus2010 | December 21, 2010 3:34 AM | Report abuse

To Bev Yach whatever, I think nyskinsdiehard is referring to your statement where you say your husband is accent free. That to me sounds pretty racist. So what are you trying to say by that? Please clarify that for us.

Posted by: diamondragon64 | December 21, 2010 3:34 AM | Report abuse

"Ethinic groups considered not fully American"? Come on, Matos. Illegal aliens by definition are NOT AMERICAN!

Don't you dare compare these invaders to Americans. They are users, plain and simple, making demands and threats.

All illegals need to be deported.

And it would be nice to see you write about a topic other than how mean, bad old America wants to protect its economy and sovereignty, and how the sainted Hispanics are going to make us pay (literally).

Posted by: wmpowellfan | December 21, 2010 4:50 AM | Report abuse

Folks, we need to remember, in responce to Schumacher-Matos' whiney rant is that:

Illegal immigration is an economic issue and NOT a civil rights issue. There is NO right to immigrate to the US.

And don't forget:

Illegal immigration is social and economic terrorism.

Posted by: ThoughtCrimeFormerlyExpat1 | December 21, 2010 4:53 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and Matos, with your sneers of "nativist" Americans...

I'm just curious what you have to say about MEXICO, which probably has the toughest immigration laws in the world. Double-standard much?

And another thing: if our immigration system is "broken," it's because greedy invaders broke it.

Posted by: wmpowellfan | December 21, 2010 4:59 AM | Report abuse

Shame on the democrats that voted against our American kids and the unemployed.

If the DREAM Act had been approved there will be 2 million less American kids going to college over the next several years because they wanted to give those slots to illegal aliens.

Why do democrats hate American kids so much?

Also DREAM would have resulted in 2 to 4 MILLION illegal aliens getting 10-year work permits immediately to compete against 22 million unemployed Americans.

Why do democrats hate unemployed Americans so much?

Posted by: fury60 | December 21, 2010 5:59 AM | Report abuse

Schumacher-Matos - often wrong but never in doubt.

It is sheer insanity to propose any sort of amnesty with long-term un/underemployment around 20% but there are two other critical points that should also be made.

1- This amnesty included a likely 2 million or more people, many of whom would have claimed it fraudulently, just as in the 1986 amnesty. We were given a tiny sample of these 'kids' in the MSM and naturally they were the ones most likely to evoke sympathy. However, many of these 'kids' would be late teens or 20's. How have they lived, worked, etc in the US without committing at least document fraud if not outright identity theft? Ask anybody who has had to clear his name from identity theft if it is a victimless crime. These 'kids' are not so innocent.

And if you want to talk about injustice, well let's do that!

2- 85% - that's the percentage of people who would likely apply for DREAMnesty that instantly qualify for affirmative action by their ethnicity. That's right. If you happen to be a US worker/student who is white or Asian, you are being asked to support amnesty for people who will be given preferential treatment over you and you children in hiring and schools. If you are an African-American descendant of slaves, you are being asked to support amnesty for people who can be hired instead of you and counted just as though their ancestors had endured slavery and "Jim Crow" laws.

This last is why I say that today's massive immigration is the new ‘Jim Crow'. It enables the biz interests to hire people who came here recently and get affirmative action credit for them instead of hiring hard-working US black workers - the very people for whom affirmative action was instituted. Ironic, isn't it? Why is any immigrant covered by affirmative action laws?

Posted by: dflinchum | December 21, 2010 7:10 AM | Report abuse

I think it is time for another 'Operation Wetback". And soon time to lock up the demonstrators that have threatened us. Lawbreakers do not deserve "rights".

Posted by: KevinH3 | December 21, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Why not concentrate on those who are breaking the law, regardless of race or legal status. This includes the rich and members of congress. If they claim to be US citizen and there is no country to ship to, they will be placed in front of a firing squad! That will be a fair and equal solution.

Posted by: 1585 | December 21, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Republicans ran all three branches of government for 6 years and did absolutely nothing about illegal immigration. It is unlikely they will change that approach as they like making speeches and getting paid, but not making policy, another joke on the GOP voter.

Posted by: imaldridge | December 21, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

In the face of financial fraud dealt the american people by a few senators a president and a willing wall street.I could care less about illegal's.But as I envision a mall parking lot,and government has required special tags to park close to the entrance,Handicaped are in the first row,fair and decent!However I find my self a mile away in the unlighted 'robbery' row.I'm sick of tribal politics.

Posted by: jmounday | December 21, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Thank you Edward Schumacher-Matos and all those whose comments reflect a knowledge of the issues surrounding immigrants and immigration reform.
Fortunately, those negative comments, ranging from simply uninformed to downright mean-spirited, hateful and racist are in the minority.
One wonders how many on that continuum would have a change of mind and heart were they to attend an informational program on the issues surrounding immigrants and immigration reform -- were they to know the people that they are so quick to slander -- were they to actually know the laws they mistake so facilely.
And that's where we, advocates of CIR have failed. We must do a better job of informing John Q. Public -- our friends, our neighbors, our relatives -- of the reality both behind immigration, the conditions resulting as a result of immigration (how many would be surprised to learn that immigrants contribute economically rather than "drain our resources"?) and what experts tell us will happen to our economy as a result of deporting an important sector of its base.
We need to step out of our comfort zone and contribute to enlightening where there is either fog or darkness if we are to make progress with reform.
For, according to the misinformation of some, I, too, am a criminal and probably everyone else who's responded here. I've broken the speed limit, I've not made a full stop at a stop sign, I've even once run a red light. Breaking a law does not a criminal make -- at least not under the present criminal code.
Eldridge Cleaver said that if we're not part of the solution, we're part of the problem. It doesn't take a rocket scientist -- or even a political scientist--to understand the logic of that.

Posted by: withlibertyandjusticeforall | December 21, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Republicans never had 60 votes in the Senate which is required to pass anything there. Of course, I don't believe they would have done anything substantive on the issue even if they had.

Now, another way of looking at this is that the Democrats DID have 60 votes for months as well as control of the House and yet, they NEVER tried to pass this issue that they claim to be a moral imperative. In fact, it is not until AFTER they suffered the enormous electoral defeat in the midterms that they attempted to get it passed. That at least gives the appearance that this is strictly pandering for votes for 2012.

If you want to debate what Republicans did or did not do, there are many things that could be said about Democrats priorities when they are in the minority as opposed to having the majority (and super-majority) and the presidency.

Posted by: OtisinNC | December 21, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

This topic always brings out the hate-filled screeds, some just paste-in screeds from postings on other sites dealing with immigration.

Be brave, lovers of justice! These same screed writers were spewing venom about repealing don't ask, don't tell just few days ago. Their voices now sound as outdated as their throwback, Neanderthal sources.

Posted by: mullingitover | December 21, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Dear, Mr. Chief Justice Gus

Is Trespassing a criminal or civil violation?
How about identity theft or federal income
tax evasion. Doubt if uncle Sam would look
the other way, if, YOU engaged in these activities. Do us all... a favor, give it a
try, we don't need anymore ambulance chasing
schisters, no how.

Posted by: TEDMOSBY33333 | December 21, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Thank you, Edward Schumacher-Matos and the many others who represent the majority of the American public endorsing immigration reform.
Though I believe the negative comments come from a range of mind sets from the poorly informed to the clearly racist, I also believe that part of the problem is those of us who need to step out of our comfort zones and educate John Q. Public --our friends, neighbors, fellow workers, relatives -- as to the well-researched facts that have been repeatedly presented by some of our media, though perhaps not read or accepted by the discreditors of immigrants and immigration reform. These facts relate to the root causes of immigration, to the economic benefits that immigrants offer --to say nothing of the rich cultural benefits -- or to the devastation that deportation of these immigrants is having and will continue to have on our economy. For respected sources warn us that we need immigrants if we're to recover from our present economic woes.
I should probably end by signing off as "a criminal" as, according to one writer, breaking a law automatically makes me one. For I've violated speed limits, not stopped completely at a stop sign, crossed an intersection on a yellow light that turned red before I completed my crossing.
But I don't think I have to as our criminal code has clear category designations to define "criminal" and not everyone who breaks the law is, indeed, a criminal

Posted by: withlibertyandjusticeforall | December 21, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

I've rewritten a reply three times that has been deleted by error. What's up here?

Posted by: withlibertyandjusticeforall | December 21, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

You sir and that idiot congressman from Illionis are part of this problem. What part of illegal do you and this other dumbo not understand. Go to Mexico illegally and see what happens to you, assaulted, robbed, raped, and killed by a corrupt system. These poor Mexicans should remain to their country and fight to get it back from the corrupt elites!

Posted by: rustynailx | December 21, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

We're informed herein as follows: "In 1952, Congress severely limited judicial review of deportation cases; after President Harry Truman objected that the law was too severe, Congress overrode his veto. Two years later, in what officials called "Operation Wetback,">>>>> nearly 1 million Mexicans suspected of not having visas were summarily rounded up in the Southwest and sent across the border>>> Most of us cringe at these past examples of>>>expelling or forcibly shipping them elsewhere>emphasis<< added).

If any subsequent Congress had seen fit to emulate the one in 1952, it seems quite clear that there would be comparatively few illegal residents in this great country today--instead of the millions currently illegally resident and the millions of others who will, in time, be here if they're not denied ingress, primarily at the southern border.

And if the writer properly defines "us", it is entirely possible that the corresponding assertion could be valid--albeit severely restricted in its applicability.

Apologies for rampant, pervasive illegality in the immigration arena represent an apt example of the validity and "generalizibility" of an observation by Alexander Pope (in 17??) regarding the insidious nature of vice:

"Vice is a monster of so frightful mien, as to be feared, is only to be seen, but seen too oft', familiar with its face, we first endure, then pity, then finally embrace."

True for much that we see on TV, too!!

Posted by: Gonzage1 | December 21, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

If anyone needs to be shown an example of the appalling ignorance and bigotry thats fueling the political discourse in this country, just refer them to the comment section of this essay. I've always been amazed that people at this level of brain function have consistently been able to find someone who will read them the news and then type their screeds for them.

Posted by: bwgunia | December 21, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

All the ridiculous rhetorical B.S. is trumped by a simple undeniable concept.


*Right and Wrong.*


Do you, teach your kids to break the rules?

And, when your son is a good boy, and
you little girl is naughty, does she get
special treatment?

That simple.

Breaking the rules made we all have been obligated to follow....And on a scale, unprecedented in human history. Indefensible.

The creedo of those who spin,lie and cheat

"Just when you think you've got all the
answers, I....Change the QUESTIONS!"
-Rowdy Roddy Piper

Hypocrisy, is a hell of a Drug.

Posted by: TEDMOSBY33333 | December 21, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Please let me introduce the new faces of racism...Latinos, Hispanics, Mexicans, et al...those who feel that we should, without regard to the damage that this invasion has done to our citizens, our schools, our neighborhoods, our culture, our financial wellbeing, our language, allow those who illegally enter to stay with special treatment.

Another weekend in Houston Texas, the illegal aliens (best estimate of 20 males between the ages of 15-25 and their female baby makers all living in one one-family home) had another Mexican “party” – their expensive vehicles consumed every inch of our cul-de-sac – their Latino music blasting and the beer flowed…started Friday night and ended Sunday evening. Did I tell you that I have grown to hate illegal aliens and the Spanish language and my government’s inability to protect our citizens from these alien invaders? Between the human/drug traffickers for neighbors, three Mexican flags flying, the twice stripping of my home of all of worldly possessions, the always present billboards in Spanish (don't buy anything that Cricket sells for they are the sellouts)…I live this disaster and resent like hell those that protect and promote illegals!

This is not a left or right, liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican issue, but an American issue! I heard this weekend Andria Mitchell slam Republicans for the failure of the Dream Act…like she or any other illegal supporter has any idea of the destruction and somehow thinks that they are the moral compass of this nation when in reality, they are the damned ignorant! I am or was a bleeding heart liberal that is disgusted by the rape of this country! Andria consider this a blanket invitation to live on the border without protection – until then, shut-up for your ignorance on this subject is evident!

Posted by: majorman06 | December 21, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

This is not about immigration or its cultural benefits. This is about controlling our borders. I believe we do need immigration reform but, we must have a way of controlling who comes into our country. We have laws governing immigration for everyone. Equating speeding, failure to yield, etc. is disingenuous. If you are caught in these activities, you are punished as proscribed by law (ticket, fine, etc.).

I have no problem with hispanics (or anyone else, for that matter) coming to this country, as long as they do it legally. Making blanket exceptions only exacerbates the problem. Calling people who feel this way racist shows you have no real argument so you can only denigrate those who disagree with you. I am sure there are racists who have this opinion as well but, making a blanket claim of racism devalues your argument and makes the fight against racists that much more difficult.

Posted by: OtisinNC | December 21, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Don’t you love those that feel the need to offer sermonets on subjects that they are clearly uninformed? The sheer arrogance only shadowed by obvious ignorance…they along with the open ended invitation to Ms Mitchell need to live on the border without protection…now there is a real education, but I warn you that you will never be the same ever…not when you are terrorized daily, not when you finally realize that our government has turned its back on you…both parties are guilty…neither has done the right thing for our citizens and our beloved country…the rage is building towards the illegal aliens, but most is aimed at our own citizens with their pseudo intelligence, uninformed opinions, compromised allegiances and misplaced compassion!

Posted by: majorman06 | December 21, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Simply put: I don't care about them. I live here legally. They do not. If they want to hang out on streetcorners in Chihuahua and park 6 Honda Civics on their lawn there, more power to them.

You can march in my "Trail of No Tears" for them.

Posted by: Please_Fix_VAs_Roads | December 21, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Let's not forget who white boy Schumacher-Matos actually is: a descendant of the corrupt ruling class of South America. People who look like Schumacher-Matos are ON TOP in their native countries; they are not the oppressed, innocent little Lambs of Christ they like to pretend they are when they come to Del Norte.

You have your nerve, Schumacher, coming here and pointing your fingers of guilt at "Anglos", considering the miserable history of your own ethnic group in Latin America.

As for comparing the failure to pass the Dream Act to the Indian Removal Act, how low can you stoop? Frankly, this kind of over-the-top, reason-free, ultra-emotional and just plain ludicrous rhetoric does nothing but increase the contempt we "Anglos" feel for your culture's appalling sense of entitlement and endless grievance mongering.

Fix your own countries and leave us alone.

Posted by: MaryJessel | December 21, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

At a time when many States are facing insolvency, when the Federal deficit is $1.4 trillion, when the national debt is approaching $14 trillion, when the cost of higher education is skyrocketing out of reach for many American families, when millions of unemployed Americans have no idea as to how they will pay for their kids education, the proposal (Dream Act) to provide amnesty and pay for the education of illegal aliens is more than shamefull. It's a disgrace. Does anyone believe that these illegals will pay for their own education. No! They will use taxpayer funds and scholarships intended for Americans. These people have broken our laws and the only thing we owe them is deportation.

Posted by: acahorvath | December 21, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Ignorance is not bliss.
What you don't know CAN hurt you.

It is also not an excuse in the eyes of the law.

The law is the law.

You cannot pick what laws you wish to follow and what laws you don't.

These individuals are not "innocents".
They were brought into the country illegally.
They are old enough to know where they came from and how they got here.

Posted by: cgteddy911 | December 21, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I'm not ashamed, Senor Matos, I am PROUD to have helped fight the DREAM Amnesty and won!

I feel as PROUD as the Americans who fought at Bunker Hill, Mexico City, Little Round Top, Iwo Jima, Chosin Reservoir, Khe Sahn, or Basra.

Defeating the DREAM Amnesty means that that the tide has finally turned. In a few weeks, patriotic immigration reformers will be able to go on the offense. In another decade, the illegals will be gone, legal immigration will be a fraction of what it is now, and we'll all wonder how we could have been so stupid as to let ourselves be colonized by Third World invaders.

Posted by: pmendez | December 21, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Everyone should know that's it's racist to say someone DOESN'T have an accent. Add that note to your catalog of things that are politically incorrect. WOLF WOLF WOLF!

Oh and I'll clarify - My husband's family immigrated LEGALLY AND ASSIMILATED.

(See statement below)
__________________________________________

To Bev Yach whatever, I think nyskinsdiehard is referring to your statement where you say your husband is accent free. That to me sounds pretty racist. So what are you trying to say by that? Please clarify that for us.

Posted by: diamondragon64

Posted by: BYaklich | December 21, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse


Mr. Schumacher-Matos

May be you should think about what President Clinton said, who undoubtedly is one of your liberal heroes:

"We should honor every legal immigrant here, working hard to become a new citizen. But we are also a nation of laws."
President Bill Clinton, State of the Union Address, January 23, 1996

Trying to change the wording like the Obama administration tried with the word "terrorism" to "man made disaster" won't work. You can rename, repackage all you want.

Using the term "unauthorized" immigrants is like calling a bank robber a person performing an "unauthorized withdrawal"

The term is ILLEGAL ALIEN, and entering this country ILLEGALLY is a crime which makes the a criminal.

What about all of the legal immigrants that are wafting in line or have just gone through the process? Becoming a legal immigrant is not a right but a privilege. It is meant to be long and hard process to make sure that each immigrant wants and deserves the privilege of becoming a U.S. citizen.
My father immigrated to this country LEGALLY in 1950. He and other LEAGL immigrants are proud to be citizens and don't wave the flag of their home country in disgrace of our great nation.


You shame my father and all legal immigrants who proudly went through the process and have legally become part of the great melting pot of U.S. citizens.

Shame on YOU for wanting to reward criminals for their illegal acts!

Posted by: BigKahuna1 | December 21, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Harry Reid's Dream Act is an exercize in hypocricy. No too many years ago Senator Reid introduced a bill into Congress that sought to eliminate anchor baby provisions. Now he placates -sucessfully- his home state hispanics to insure his re-election with a poorly thought out amnesty bill. We have ten percent plus unemployment in our country. We need to seal the border permanently with whatever it takes to get control of rampant illegal immigration. Once we do that we develop the political consensus to seek a comprehensive solution. Democrats fooled us once before. In the mid 80's amnesty was granted to approximately 2 million illegals and Congress promised to secure the border. Two decades later we have 20 million illegals and the Dems are demanding amnesty again. They allow the country to be flooded by illegals and they lecture white folk that we will soon be the minority in our country and that we have to get used to it. Typical Democrat. They have your back if you are a minority, gay, union member, government employee, trial lawyer etc. If you don't fit into any of these categories your on your own which would be ok, if we weren't taxed to death to support the Dem Free Riders.

Posted by: jkk1943 | December 21, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Every once and a while I turn off Fox News and watch MSNBC for a while. There commentators are uniformly liberal and pro-Obama. There world view is typical NE Liberal, haughty, superior, condescending and dismissive of the GOP. Andrea Mitchell, Chris Matthews and WPO's own drooling, drawling Eugene Robinson are the worst. What we need is a weaker federal government and more states rights. That way we would have the freedom to live in a state that has policies agreeable to us and avoid the contraints of a progressive nanny state.

Posted by: jkk1943 | December 21, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

"hundreds of thousands of unauthorized immigrant youths"

Moveon code speak for ILLEGAL aliens!

Posted by: trjn30 | December 21, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

"Nearly 400,000 were kicked out last year, only a small percentage of them legitimate criminals."

Actually, all of them were criminals!

Posted by: trjn30 | December 21, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

If there is anyone here who would not sneak across a border to feed their family on what little they may earn, would you all please raise your hands? Anyone who didn't raise their hand is either a liar or a poor provider. If there were no jobs, there would be no illegals. Duh! The solution is so easy that...... oops - this would end many businesses access to cheap labor, and a free ride at another's expense. It's like blaming the drug situation along the border on the Mexican cartel. We buy their drugs. We sell them their guns. And yet it's all their fault. Their must be a serious flaw in the American genetic code that blames others for our own foibles.

Posted by: jharris99 | December 21, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I am not a supporter of amnesty as a cure for America's, illegal "immigration" problem. It doesn't work. I understand why you support amnesty.

The Democrats are even more to blame for the DREAM ACT failure than Republicans. They could have made it a reality if they were honest about their intentions and gave it their FULL support.

Instead, the Obamacrats spent all their, remaining, political capital on the homosexual agenda item, repeal of DADT.

Now, Hispanics know exactly where they lie on the Democrat, most favored list. Directly under homosexuals.

Not a very good place to be, in my book.

Posted by: battleground51 | December 21, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

The failure of the DREAM Act was an early Christmas gift for the American taxpayers. As for these students, and all the other illegal aliens, it's time to return to your own Country. If you pack and leave now, you can be home for Christmas, or at least by New Year's Day. You must understand by now, there will be NO AMNESTY, and things may be getting really rough come the end of January. The Republicans will be in charge of Congress and many States will be passing some form of the Arizona Law, SB 1070. Do yourself and everyone else a favor and go home. If you are here ILLEGALLY, this is not your home. Have a safe trip.

Posted by: scuncic | December 21, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

I am sorry that so many of the above live in such unhappy communities. The community I live in is enriched by our immigrants, whether documented or not. These are people who support our community with both their hard work and volunteer efforts. They are concerned parents who work with their children to see that they succeed. Yes, they have different values and these are values of inclusion as opposed to exclusion. And that is what is making our community stronger. These immigrants support local businesses and pay property, income and sales taxes. Without them my community would be diminished. Postville, Iowa is now a ghost town and a good demonstration of what results from mass deportations. America can not afford this. My family can afford this.

Posted by: Nene1 | December 21, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

This is perhaps the most intellectually dishonest column I have ever read in the POST. It is filled with false analogies. If it is sincere, it reveals the author's extreme intellectual limitations.

For the record, I am willing to support citizenship for any illegal alien with a clean record who serves the US in the armed forces. That is a meaningful commitment. But two years of college???? Get real.

Posted by: hambya | December 21, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Could this be yet another example of "the sins (lawbreaking) of the fathers..."?

There is a legal way to immigrate and an illegal way. Why can't Hispanics understand by coming in illegally they are showing complete contempt for American laws? That's what is so offensive.

You people want what you want so much - and are bound and determined to do it, you absolutely do not hear what the citizens are trying to tell you.

I felt I could live with the Dream Act, but not when you want to slap me in the face.

Posted by: edismae | December 21, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I do not see what is shameful about enforcing the law and removing people who have broken it be sneaking into this country. It is not a 'racial discrimination' issue. It is a legal issue. If you are here illegally you should go home to your native country and apply for legal entrance just as everyone else has to do. Yes, you might have to wait. Many people must wait to come here legally and those who wait appreciate the opportunity to be here. Those who sneak in illegally seem to think that their country is better so perhaps they should go home and re-think their attitudes, learn our language and try to appreciate what they are waiting for. Legal immigrants are always welcome and this country is enriched by them, Those who are here illegally should not be welcomed. Serving in the armed forces should not be an entrance, either as those people who are here illegally do not like this country and show that dislike by marching in parades with the flags of their native countries.

Posted by: tenshi1 | December 21, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

I do not see what is shameful about enforcing the law and removing people who have broken it be sneaking into this country. It is not a 'racial discrimination' issue. It is a legal issue. If you are here illegally you should go home to your native country and apply for legal entrance just as everyone else has to do. Yes, you might have to wait. Many people must wait to come here legally and those who wait appreciate the opportunity to be here. Those who sneak in illegally seem to think that their country is better so perhaps they should go home and re-think their attitudes, learn our language and try to appreciate what they are waiting for. Legal immigrants are always welcome and this country is enriched by them, Those who are here illegally should not be welcomed. Serving in the armed forces should not be an entrance, either as those people who are here illegally do not like this country and show that dislike by marching in parades with the flags of their native countries.

Posted by: tenshi1 | December 21, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Reading these comments makes me ashamed to BE an American. Who would want to come to a nation, legally or illegaly, that is so filled with hatred and ignorance. The comments just drip with venomous hatred. With the exception of Native American Indians, every American is an immigrant, no matter how they entered the country. The ugly American.

Posted by: nkirk15 | December 21, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Reading these comments makes me ashamed to BE an American. Who would want to come to a nation, legally or illegaly, that is so filled with hatred and ignorance. The comments just drip with venomous hatred. With the exception of Native American Indians, every American is an immigrant, no matter how they entered the country. The ugly American.

Posted by: nkirk15 | December 21, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Nkirk - perhaps...your feeling of "shame" will motivate you into
cruising down to your local Home Depot, and
taking in a couple of good, hard working,
friendly boarders. I'm sure you wont require
any references or background, because your such a good Samaritan and so trusting and all. And obviously, as conscientious, humanitarian... you are just, far.. superior to us common folk as
well.

Posted by: TEDMOSBY33333 | December 21, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

First: what kind of man has a hyphenated name? No, really? Okay, British aristocrats sometimes do, but there is NO reason for American men to have a hyphenated name. Strap on a pair buddy.

Second: what part of "illegal" don't you understand? Check out dictionary.com, they have clear definitions that even you could understand.

Sen. Graham is correct: our immigration system is broken; we have:
- a DHS that won't deport anyone
- highly skilled immigrants who want H1-B visas but are severely limited, while...
- our immigration policy focuses on family reunion for chain migration to let in abuelas who cannot and will not ever participate in our society.

The real shame is for those who support this fraudulent legislation. It's pandering plain and simple.

Posted by: traderdad37 | December 21, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

"Reading these comments makes me ashamed to BE an American. Who would want to come to a nation, legally or illegaly, that is so filled with hatred and ignorance. The comments just drip with venomous hatred. With the exception of Native American Indians, every American is an immigrant, no matter how they entered the country. The ugly American."
________________________________________

Then leave. We want our laws enforced.

Posted by: JDB1 | December 21, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

This law they were pushing was very flawed, and was premature. I would have supported some sort of regularization if we secured our southern border, where the biggest problem is located, but Obama is afraid of offending some people in his base. Also, the law should not allow the subsequent sponsoring of relatives (ie: chain migration), recipients should never get special programs and affirmative action, there must be some criteria ensuring they will be self supporting and not on welfare, and the recipients should self fund it. Also, there is no need to put the military into it, as aliens serving in the military quaify for citizenship now. In reality, the Democrats are looking for more Democrat voters.

Posted by: John786 | December 21, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

"How many people know that the supposedly religious Mexican in America doesn't even go to church or contribute yet they seem to drive brand new SUVs.
Posted by: BULLFIGHTER11-11 | December 20, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse"
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Um.... WHAT???

Posted by: Patzer111 | December 21, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

How downright evil to compare the defeat of the DREAM Act with the Fugitive Slave Act.

Black American citizens have been harmed more than any other group by open borders. Many entry level and part-time jobs that used to be the first rung on the ladder for young people are now occupied by exploitable illegal aliens, who conveniently don't have a school schedule.

Look around. Jobs that were once held by young citizens of all colors are now filled by illegal alien foreigners.

In Los Angeles, hispanic gangs practice ethnic cleansing by killing random blacks to drive them out of certain neighborhoods.

The DREAM Act was a stealth amnesty for millions masquerading as a help to innocent kiddies. Shame on corrupt Democrats for trying to dupe the American people once again with this issue.

Posted by: BerkeleyBW | December 21, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Additionally Senator Reid crushed a mandatory E-Verify program that was developed to eject illegal aliens out of the workplace, which has been compromised by fraudulent ID. Both laws could be greatly enhanced by the federal government mandated the 287(g) that gives enforcement authority to the local State, county and local police to arrest and detain. It’s time the federal administrations began immigration enforcement and stop catering to foreign nationals with public entitlements and mass amnesty of any kind. Now both Democrats and Republicans better begin to contribute to American citizens-legal residents, instead of special interests and open border zealots. Gain more understanding of the illegal alien occupancy at NumbersUSA. Annually most Americans are unaware that 1.5 million legal newcomers settle in this nation, with "god Knows" how many illegal aliens to supplement the irreversible overpopulation. Most legal immigrants are heralded in by the Microsoft Bill Gates of America, in lower wage jobs. So it’s hard for me to understand why these billionaire business owners don't hire US citizens and green card holders already here, to fill job opportunities or even organize national training programs?

In conclusion--even though the Dream Act failed, these scholars or any young man or women, can join the armed forces simply by going to the nearest armed forces recruiting offices in time of conflict under 8 USC § 1440. If they want thei

Posted by: infinity555 | December 21, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Tea Party will fight any kind of illegal immigration AMNESTY

As with Article 4, Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution, the federal government must halt a “foreign invasion.” The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion. The Dream Act and other amnesty agendas of “aiding and abetting” illegal aliens violates this stipulation and this federal mandatory law by allowing and rewarding “foreign occupation” and not halting it.

In seeing that the Dream Act failed to gain enough votes in the Senate, it is now way past time that the 2006 Secure Fence Act was taken seriously. The provisions of the Act that were sacrificed soon after the law was borne by Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson (R-TX), Coyrn (R-TX) and the majority of Liberal Democrats. These politicians amended the bill by cutting funding, to the--REAL--border fence that never materialized. I'm sure now the propagating Tea Party will introduce the Double border fence, with the internal barrier electrified, which would be a major deterrent to the illegal immigration invasion. This would have been an Amnesty, through--CHAIN MIGRATION--for millions of immediate family members sponsored by students? A new revised Dream Act may pass in the future, without chain migration. I think most moderate Conservatives have seen, stealth and the hidden loopholes in the agenda. ALL THOSE WHO VOTED FOR THE DREAM ACT, WILL BE VIVIDLY REMEMBERED IN THE NEXT REELECTION PERIOD IN AN ADVERSE LIGHT.

Posted by: infinity555 | December 21, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

The Dream Act is a shameful piece of legislation with holes big enough to drive truckloads of "exempt" illegal immigrants trough our borders. The real disgrace is the large number of vote-buying Democrats who give away citizenship as if it were free.....and worthless.

The bill died, and that's the best news coming out of this disgraceful lame duck session.

Posted by: buggerianpaisley | December 21, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Why do so many keyboards have broken Caps Lock buttons?

Posted by: wlgiii | December 21, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Unless you have inside information that the world ends in 2029, what happens in 20 years is relevant indeed. And it's relevant now. Our college kids are having huge troubles getting jobs. Should we import more people of that age? No.

I would support a bill that would give these people expedited legal immigration status, if they went home, stayed there for two years, and applied at the US Embassy there and waited a while.

Posted by: Nemo24601 | December 21, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Unless you have inside information that the world ends in 2029, what happens in 20 years is relevant indeed. And it's relevant now. Our college kids are having huge troubles getting jobs. Should we import more people of that age? No.

I would support a bill that would give these people expedited legal immigration status, if they went home, stayed there for two years, and applied at the US Embassy there and waited a while.

Posted by: Nemo24601 | December 21, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Sir
you take the illegals home with you, you provide for them, their food, education, their health care, their police and fire protection since you love them so much and feel American's are obligated to provide such, i say to you, spend your own money, not ours. we didn't ask them to come here, and i personally don't feel any obligation to support them. PERIOD, end of discussion. and in the event they are unhappy about it, then get the hell out of here. thank you. now if you want to secure our borders first, then perhaps we may have something to discuss. until then, bye, bye birdie,bye bye

Posted by: Fatboy04 | December 21, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

unmitigated BS

Posted by: Fatboy04 | December 21, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

You idiot, slavery is not analogous to illegal immigration. Slaves were kidnapped in Africa and other places and brought to the US in chains. Illegal immigrants sneak into the country, take jobs from Americans, and consume social benefits intended for honest citizens.

Posted by: Alex68 | December 21, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

You idiot, slavery is not analogous to illegal immigration. Slaves were kidnapped in Africa and other places and brought to the US in chains. Illegal immigrants sneak into the country, take jobs from Americans, and consume social benefits intended for honest citizens.

Posted by: Alex68 | December 21, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

With respect, because it is evident that you are a very well educated person, I disagree with your conclusions. It is precisely that education that allows you to make incorrect historical allusions to impart shame for the failure of the Senate to pass this bill.

A question back to you. Do you believe that the U.S. has a finite amount of resources, whether physical or public resources, to engage in a continued, expanding population of illegal immigrants. No race, no names, just that question.

Posted by: Gooddogs | December 21, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

What exactly is "shameful" about adherence to the rule of law? What IS shameful is the notion that this country OWES something to those who totally disregard the laws we profess to be governed by. This was an amnesty bill. While I have no problem offering a work permit to illegal immigrants, they don't "deserve" a free pass to citizenship. They don't deserve to go to the front of the line over people waiting outside the country to become citizens - those who follow the rules. They should be provided with a work permit and a place at the end of the citizenship line -- and get to stand in that line without either benefit of their illegal status or detriment from it.

What is shameful is the demonization of those for whom the rule of law matters. When will YOU become aware of the shame you cast on yourselves?

Posted by: RBCrook | December 21, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

"Most of us..."

Most of who?

The illegals? The Democreeps? The libs?

Not most of America, that's for sure.

Posted by: r_leever | December 21, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Eduardo,

Boy, are you confused! We are over run with illegal immigrants in Loudoun Co, Virginia which costs us a huge amount of money and turmoil. Granting this amnesty ia nuts...it just encourages hordes of illegals to invade our country...no more amnesties. I'm sorry that the parents of these youngsters could not understand the difference between right and wrong, but that is NOT our problem. Sorry, Eddie, they will just have to remain in limbo.

Posted by: dcmowbray1 | December 21, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

The debate was about the Dream Act and the Republican Senators made this issue about illegal aliens who commit violent crimes against others. Mr. Orrin Hatch and McCain behaved like the most coward politicians of all times by turning their backs to something they had supported before.

And, they know, it was not because they have changed their minds. It was pure politics. They should have shown those Democrats from the South that politics should not govern over what was best for this nation.

The Republican party won. What did they win? They are going to go into history like the worst minority ever. Their message is loud and clear.

Posted by: Carrick319 | December 21, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Watch what happens to the Democratic party in 2012 if you continue to push this idiotic Dream Act nonsense. If you think you need to fear Hispanics at the poll in 2012 watch what the American people will do to you if you insist on pushing the Dream Act. America has told you repeatedly to start deporting and honor our laws. You ignore us at your own peril. When the 2012 election is over there will be no doubt in ANY politician's mind that amnesty deals are dead.

Posted by: Desertdiva1 | December 21, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

We will see what happens....not everything is all about illegal immigration. We had the opportunity to do some good sounded immigration reform. But, we missed the opportunity to move forward on this issue. The Dream Act was a good law. Now, everyone in Maryland knows how and why it was killed. The Reps have blood in their hands literally.

Posted by: Carrick319 | December 21, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

When white Americans wanted land they threw Mexicans off the land that they occupied. They did the same to Red Indians. Apparently, the treaties and promises that Congress made with the Indians were made to be broken.

I want you to understand that this barbarism was OK because Americans wanted that land and because Americans do not believe that they should act responsibly when it is against their perception of their self-interests.

When the great great grand children of those Mexicans want to return to the land of their forefathers then that is wrong.

You've gotta love America it produces many things in abundance including hypocrisy.

Now you know why America is the greatest nation that has ever been. It's got more self-indulgence and more hide than any other nation.

Posted by: robertjames1 | December 21, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Carrick
I have lived in Maryland for 50 yrs.
My ancestors came over from England
and some were here, on the east coast,
for many thousands of years. We, know what the make up of Maryland truly was/is. Yes,
there was diversity in the 60's 70's and 80's.There were,some Hispanics mostly Puert
Ricans who moved down south form Jersey and
New York. In the mid 80's almost all of the
Hispanics lived in the Columbia road Adams Morgan area. Then, the first disastrous Reagan era, amnesty drew more. AND, most of this current crop by word of mouth because everyone has bum rushed the bloody
east coast. Stared in Norther VA, THEN Langley park Md, AND THE rest of Dc and Montgomery county MD. Now, its like a foreign effin country, but the true residents rember what it supposed to be. And.. that is not full of whinny,cheating, opportunists.So,
no matter how high your head count reaches, we will not let you seize political power HERE. Go back to Mexico, El salvador and or Guatemal and fix your own bloody Home land.
We don't want any more unwanted guests here. The Place, is effin full.

Posted by: TEDMOSBY33333 | December 21, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

One must wonder why the Congress must consider "can never pass" legislation and yet never work on solutions that a) might actually have a chance of becoming law and b) might actually have a chance of working.

Harry Reid needed his political theater...so the nation suffers another week or so of Congress not addressing the needs of the nation.

The Democrats wonder why they lost so heavily in November?

Posted by: Crmudgeon | December 21, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

lemondog wrote: Just amazing how many absolute jerks there are who want to call people criminals whose "crime" is that their parents came into the U.S. illegally.
------------------------
If you are over 19 and still in this country you are a criminal too. You had a year to get out legally once you turned 18 and chose to be a criminal just like your parents. Hit the road you aren't welcome here.

Posted by: Desertdiva1 | December 21, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Will someone please tell this successful user of the American Immigration Laws (me), what the heck is supposed to be wrong with them? Why is the immigration system supposed to be "broken"?

Yes, it's taken me 8 years, no it wasn't cheap, no it wasn't easy, yes it is very necessary.

Please tell me why we need to make it EASIER. Why we need to deliver a nasty "slap in the face" to LEGAL IMMIGRANTS who have done the RIGHT THING, by excusing those that can't even rightly be called IMMIGRANTS. They are ILLEGAL ALIENS - same as they would be if they had entered any other country ILLEGALLY!

Are we looking for politically expedient ways to address a problem that we created by failing to adequately enforce our immigration laws and secure our borders?

I am now an American, and I have to show ID in so many different situations, that I simply cannot understand that anyone would take exception to being asked for ID that would establish that they are here LEGALLY, unless of course, they are here ILLEGALLY!

As a law-abiding American, I now have to be humiliated and violated if I want to fly in my own country - yet everyone objects to Arizona wanting police to pay more attention in the normal course of their duties, to whether people might be undocumented and here illegally.

If I had come here ILLEGALLY, do you think I should have had a right to protest if I was caught and they wanted to ship me out of here? I don't think so.

I feel sorry for the kids that are here through no fault of their own, but, especially if they were born here, there should be no need for a DREAM ACT to give them a path to eventual citizenship.

That path is available to them through the exact same procedure I had to follow.

Fix the ENFORCEMENT of our immigration laws - there is nothing wrong with the laws themselves. They are no worse and in fact, a whole lot better than the immigration laws of many other countries, and no country should let just ANYONE in for ANY old reason.

Posted by: Aquarius7251 | December 21, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

To every voter you really need to read the LA Times article at http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-immigration-overhaul-20101222,0,7103250.story

This quote "Amid concern about such efforts, Obama told the five Latino lawmakers who met with him in the Oval Office that he would veto certain punitive legislation if need be." So Obama has picked his side and it's not with America. Is this how a POTUS who took an oath to uphold the laws of our country is to act?

Posted by: Desertdiva1 | December 21, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse

We hear you Aquarius. Apparently,
our leaders are determined to ignore the
True citizens of this country. Seems they
fancy themselves as agents of social justice,
or some such non sense. And they are oh so willing to sacrifice our rights,and to change this country forever.Our objections fall on deaf ears it seems. In their eyes, we are like 'children' who should be seen and not heard.

Posted by: TEDMOSBY33333 | December 22, 2010 12:14 AM | Report abuse

It is patently unfair and disenginious to compare present day America and our actual or potential immigration policies with what occured historically. No one, even the most ardent anti-ILLEGAL-immigrant activist is calling on the government to march illegals out of the country on foot at the end of a banette. Further, today we are trying to remove ILLEGAL aliens who have invaded our country against our laws, steal or create false ID, leach upon our taxpayer-funded public services, take American jobs, crowd out Americans in schools, and worse. We should march them out but we are more civilized and compasionate. That is our problem, we've allowed them to take undo advantage of our kindness and charity.

There is nothing horrible about building a fence along the southern border, backing up the Border Patrol with armed troops to enforced our national border, and rounding up and deporting people in the U.S. illegally. Anything less is amnesty and both national and cultural suicide.

The DREAM Act was a nightmare and rightfully rejected. It is a shame that those who voted for it think illegals should come before U.S. citizens and legal residents. That some illegals came here as children is irrelevant. They are here illegally and have followed in their parents footsteps with lies, stolen and fake ID, and other criminal behavior.

Posted by: MatthewWeaver | December 22, 2010 1:05 AM | Report abuse

Majorman06: I live in the border too, and even though I'm hispanic I get looked down at by Mexicans from across the border because I am American and refuse to speak Spanish to them instead of them speaking English to me and so on. I'm not advocating immigration reform for them. I'm advocating for kids brought here by their parents through no fault of their own, that have been raised here and educated here. That I know of one 18 year old kid (there may be others)had to seek asylum because he was attacked for his American mannerisms when he was deported. I don't view it as an immigration issue. I think it should be more of a safety issue. These kids, if deported, won't make it alive to wait 10 years to become citizens. Hispanics born and/or raised here are hated in Mexico and that's not our fault and it's certainly not those kids' fault.

Posted by: diamondragon64 | December 22, 2010 4:52 AM | Report abuse

DREAM ACT OR “BAD DREAM”

Should we feel guilty opposing legislation to help kids who want to go to college (but can’t afford it), can’t vote or even get a drivers license? A recent Courant article showed children of illegal aliens asking for legal and financial help to follow their “American Dream”. There’s only one problem, they are not Americans. Their parents broke the law sneaking into this country “illegally” thus making them criminals subject to arrest and deportation.

The fact is that DREAM legislation does harm American students and families while rewarding illegal aliens. The last few years, American’s have been struggling through a recession trying to pay their own taxes while most illegal immigrants continually break the law by living here and not paying taxes.. Steven Camarota, Director, Center for Immigration Studies (CIS), estimated that, as the result of the Dream Act, over 1 million illegal immigrants will enroll in public institutions taking education spots and financial help from American students. The CIS also estimates the cost at over $6 billion annually to fund these students. Worse yet, it will encourage more people to illegally immigrate to the United States because we don’t enforce our laws. Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony: “A penalty up to two years in prison and a fine on any foreigners who enter the country illegally” (Article 123) who are then taken to detention centers, put on buses and sent home.

A Civitas Institute poll showed that over 81% of likely voters oppose "Dream Act" legislation. Massachusetts already defeated this legislation and a recent Courant poll showed 89% of the CT respondents were against it. Compassion for these kids…YES, but not at the expense of our own hard working American families whose kids are also trying to achieve their American Dream…“legally”.


Posted by: izfrankd | December 22, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

If the Dream Act was passed, the only enforcement we would see is the authorities treating us American Citiizens like criminals while they don't even ask the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS for their papers.

How can we expect a government that talks about terrorism everyday, but fails to protect our borders to keep it's word on enforcing immigration laws under the Dream Act. To expect this from this government is "just a dream".

Posted by: barrysal | December 22, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Apparently some are attempting to change the definition of "illegal" as it is used in the context of unauthorized individuals within the borders of the USA. But for the revisionist, ILLEGAL simply means ILLEGAL, no more no less. What it so difficult about an uncomplicated and easily understood word that is so hard for some to understand. Illegal by any other name is still ILLEGAL.

Posted by: lltroy | December 22, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

The trolls are here! Gotta complement the xenophobic right. They link into every article that deals with immigration, Mexico, etc. Even the baseball world...the trade of hometown San Diegan Adrian Gonzalez! I see the same cut and paste comments on blogs in newspapers across the country. Those of us who support comprehensive immigration reform, of which the Dream Act was a small but significant component, must recognize their persistence as well as their venom. But let the trolls recognize this!

Bush had a respectful working relationship with the Hispanic community, many of whom have family ties that pre-date the statehood of their particular residence. He parlayed that relationship, coupled with shared conservative values, into 44% of the Hispanic vote in 2004.

John McCain, after promoting comprehensive reform, flip flopped in 2008 to pander to the nativist right. That resulted in a slippage to 29% of the Hispanic vote.

Now...well, when you insult me you can't expect my vote. To the trolls here who don't see the term "anchor baby" as a maliscious racist term...who don't know that "law and order" terminology is the oldest race baiting tactic around...expect the portion of the Hispanic vote to side with y'all to be less than 15%, if that. Take it to the bank!

See y'all in 2012...entiende?

Posted by: mfkpadrefan | December 22, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

And the Democrats dreamed of more voters!
There are many illegals in this country waiting for legal residency, many of them with more hardships than 'students'. A system for all illegals to apply for residency based on their degree of hardship would be more fair.
I have been forced to pay to educate these illegal children and this is continuing.
The dream act is only an encouragement for more people to bring their children here illegally for a free education at the citizens expense.

Posted by: dbothroydearthlinknet | December 22, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

mfkpadrefan; all,

"Take it to the bank": IF Hispanics wish to "have a real say" in the Congress after December, 2012, they will "get off the DIMocRAT bandwagon" & join THE TEA PARTY and/or the GOP.
(my home county's TEA PARTY is about 20% Latino at this point. i expect that number to grow significantly, to perhaps 30-35%, before 2012. ====> by election day 2012, i expect the TEA PARTY to be larger than the GOP & DIMocRATS, combined. we are growing about 5-6% a week, nationally.)

the DIMocRAT party has permanently LOST:
1. the majority of "the rank & file union" vote,
2. the Democrat social/religious conservatives (and many of the moderates)
and
3. at least HALF of the Independents.

what is left in the DIMocRAT party is:
1. a group of rich/statist/leftist ELITISTS,
(from the northeast & the left coast, who would not spit on you if you caught fire. = the ELITES actually despise "persons of color" & laugh behind their hands at anyone, who is ignorant enough to believe their KNOWING, SELF-serving lies. the leftist elites see themselves as "THE RIGHTFUL RULING CLASS")
2. "urban political-machine" crooks,
3. "professional race-baiters",
4. "the terminally brain-DEAD"
and
5. FEW "normal people" of any sort.

when you've "had enough" (as our membership has) of BHO, the DIMocRAT elitists & his/their culture of lies/corruption, come join THE TEA PARTY in your home county & help us take our country back.
you will be warmly welcomed & immediately "put to work" to end the corruption wrought in the last few years and to restore the USA to CONSTITUTIONAL liberty.

a personal note to "mfkpadrefan": my much beloved/adopted daughter (a former citizen of Mexico) is now an American citizen & one "of the main "Tejana Spitfires" of the Travis County, Texas TEA PARTY.
She KNOWS how many racists, lunatics & just plain crooks that there are in the Texas DIMocRAT party and she is working hard to clean them out of our county/state/national government.

yours, TN46
coordinator, CCTPP

Posted by: texasnative46 | December 22, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

as if by some "slight of hand" eventual hostilities be used to foster goodwill, then can "two wrongs make a right"? there are those whose often-preferred maxim, if such be, is "there MUST be some 'misunderstanding,'" and what seems inevitable are ongoing developments of numerous difficulties, some deemed first more practical than later, along with any related contrarian interpretations also taken into account.

...on a slightly different matter, and tho maybe merely such sometimes "illustrates" only part of a related consideration: "hindsight is 20:20." ok. and then: "is that ("hindsight") as "in" a mirror of sorts, or what?" (...and too, what practical perceptions/understandings of intent might be had..."along the way" on timely bases, etc., seem...often a serious problem....)

anecdote: tho i tried to correct some errors (maybe not each!) evident in this comment...several efforts failed--so no errors have been corrected, etc....

Posted by: cdmcl3 | December 22, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

...How many more does it take for the shame to be felt by us all?...

How about 20 million, and you keep your sham.

Posted by: hared | December 22, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Anyone with a brain recognized the DREAM act was amnesty, pure and simple. Every illegal under the age for filing will file under this act and won't be able to be deported for 10 years - after all does anyone believe this administration will actually investigate the filers? After 10 years, and they've been living and working in the country legally, getting married, having children, you'll then say it's too late to deport them, even if they haven't completed the goals of the program. After all, they'll then be in their 30's or 40's.

Why is it whenever people say we need to increase border enforcement, or strengthen employer sanctions for hiring illegals, folks like this author yell about comprehensive reform. Or, like in AZ, the feds and organizations file suits against them. However, now they want to push through a stand alone amnesty package?

Posted by: termiteavenger | December 22, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

This user comments on this column are painful. The venom being spewed is toxic and entirely unhelpful to any meaningful discussion. If you disagree with the premise of the author or the dream act in particular, you’re entitled to your opinions and I’m glad the Post gives users the opportunity to provide different viewpoints and the occasional new fact, but many of these comments are heavy on the name calling and light on the backup.

As for my two cents: At the end of the day we’re all human and we should all respect each other as equals. The liberal in me sees beyond the country of my birth to my position in the society I inhabit. I’m no better than a Mexican, a Chinese, a Native American, or anyone else simply through the virtue of where I was born. Everyone’s value to the society they are in comes from the work they put into it.

The conservative in me sees the need to create an orderly system to screen out trouble makers and prevent a quick disorganized rush that rewards those who break the rules, while those who follow them are often delayed or rejected. I too love justice.

I can see potential lines of arguments for both sides of debate, but I hope it can move away from lazily calling someone an illegal as if to delegitimize their existence as an actual person.

Posted by: one_timer | December 22, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

What a pathetic article, this pro ILLEGAL ALIEN crap this guy writes does nothing to sway Americans. Even my mother who is the staunchest Democrat ever to live gets angry when she reads crap written by this Edward matos about how great and important his beloved hisPANICS and latinos are. You fool no one with your unauthorized crap. Edward the more you advocate for your beloved hispanics the harder you push away Americans in general. I for one am sick of the pandering done to latinos, most cant vote but then again they break all kinds of laws to come here, and live here whats another law broken like voting Illegally? That is the only way they would have any kind of importance in a election, make everyone show proof of citizenship and watch how fast hispanics become irrelevant! Deport any and all ILLEGAL ALIENS, children of ILLEGAL ALIENS included.

Posted by: Dave-co | December 22, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

An actual process for deportation of an individual in US courts is methodical and time consuming. There is something called due process, even if you`ve been just picked up at the airport trying to enter the US for the first time. The individual has to give up his rights. The judge takes into account many details which might give him reason to allow the illegal to remain, etc., etc. I would be cautious crying for their immediate expulsion without having some additional basic knowledge of how our (effective)system works. If you live in the US, go to college, and would say yes to the military, even being illegal as far as documentation, chances are that your case will be treated with diligence and respect. Don`t give up!

Posted by: jsouza01 | December 22, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Thank goodness the Nightmare (Dream) act is dead... for now anyway, since our Anti-American president vows to resurrect it. But its the only hope for the Democrats as more African American voters wise up and begin to vote for good reasons instead of just party line... the Dems need people that are beholden to them and will just vote for those who simply want bigger govt, more entitlement programs, and a slave society. To allow these 'young' people to stay if they only have a few felonies is outrageous. With them will come the rest of their families as well... eventually. Let's remember that these people have broken our laws and if it was an illegal alien in Mexico they'd be a guest at the Tijuana Gray Bar Motel...

Posted by: DrDave4 | December 22, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

no matter how much all these people argue and post about immigrants, the real truth is that this is the goal the KKK set a few years ago.
No doubt this is the "little snowball" the KKK wanted to roll into an avalanche.
and you people...got fooled into accepting it,
how easy everybody forgot this is America.

Posted by: Doublespeakishere | December 22, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Reading these comments makes me ashamed to BE an American. Who would want to come to a nation, legally or illegaly, that is so filled with hatred and ignorance. The comments just drip with venomous hatred. With the exception of Native American Indians, every American is an immigrant, no matter how they entered the country. The ugly American.

Posted by: Doublespeakishere | December 22, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Doublespeakishere,

it is emblematic of your lack of actual KNOWLEDGE that you evidently do NOT know that the American Indians are also "immigrants". = my people came here from Berengia about 15-20,000 years ago.

yours, TH46
coordinator, CCTPP

Posted by: texasnative46 | December 22, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Doublespeak, what an apt label! If you are ashamed to be an American, you have the option to leave... then you'll find out what immigration law is like in other countries... Obama's ashamed too, that's why he circles the globe apologizing for us. If you're not proud to be an American then you have no business in our business. You libs just don't get it... yes, we're all immigrants but its not irrelevant how we got here. We are supposed to be a nation of law, and if you flaunt one, why not all of them? And no, we can't support the uncontrolled flow of immigrants... no country can. So will you be happy in 20 years when we have the economy and illiteracy rate of Mexico? Use your head, please... that's why its attached.

Posted by: DrDave4 | December 22, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

DREAM ACT OR “BAD DREAM”

Should we feel guilty opposing legislation to help kids who want to go to college (but can’t afford it), can’t vote or even get a drivers license? A recent Courant article showed children of illegal aliens asking for legal and financial help to follow their “American Dream”. There’s only one problem, they are not Americans. Their parents broke the law sneaking into this country “illegally” thus making them criminals subject to arrest and deportation.

The fact is that DREAM legislation does harm American students and families while rewarding illegal aliens. The last few years, American’s have been struggling through a recession trying to pay their own taxes while most illegal immigrants continually break the law by living here and not paying taxes.. Steven Camarota, Director, Center for Immigration Studies (CIS), estimated that, as the result of the Dream Act, over 1 million illegal immigrants will enroll in public institutions taking education spots and financial help from American students. The CIS also estimates the cost at over $6 billion annually to fund these students. Worse yet, it will encourage more people to illegally immigrate to the United States because we don’t enforce our laws. Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony: “A penalty up to two years in prison and a fine on any foreigners who enter the country illegally” (Article 123) who are then taken to detention centers, put on buses and sent home.

A Civitas Institute poll showed that over 81% of likely voters oppose "Dream Act" legislation. Massachusetts already defeated this legislation and a recent Courant poll showed 89% of the CT respondents were against it. Compassion for these kids…YES, but not at the expense of our own hard working American families whose kids are also trying to achieve their American Dream…“legally”.


Posted by: izfrankd | December 22, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

As an actual First American I resent this comparison/analogy made by this relentless spokesperson for illegal immigration. Comparisons to slaves brought here in bondage and American Indians are examples of a very weak (cheap shot) conflation.

The Trail Of Tears has NADA to do with the failure of the Dream Act...nothing. Did I say nothing?

Mexico is a wealthy country. People come here from there illegally cuz they want (our) stuff! Seriously, I am offended by the often cited First Nation and Rosa Parks comparisons. Sincerely and thoroughly offended.

You could and can frame and make an actual case for support....you didn't though.

Posted by: gringagran | December 24, 2010 2:01 AM | Report abuse

gringagran;all,

the TRUTH is that the leftists/elitists/DIMocRAT "leaders" know that the utter nonsense, that they spew out onto this site & in "the washington COMpost", are LIES & they could NOT care less if "non-white" people (like you/me) are offended by their "spin", propaganda, hatred of minorities & outright FICTION.
ALL the ELITES/"RULERS" care about is MORE POWER & MONEY. period. end of story.

fyi, i'm an enrolled member of one of the 300 NA nations & i've been dealing with these SELF-serving LIARS for over 5 decades. - believe anything they say at your peril, as they wouldn't spit on you/me, if we caught fire.

otoh, you are invited to join your county's TEA PARTY & help us DUMP every single one of "the rulers" & restore this nation to being a free & CONSTITUTIONAL republic. = you will be WARMLY WELCOMED!

yours, TN46
coordinator, CCTPP

Posted by: texasnative46 | December 24, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

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