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Posted at 12:10 PM ET, 12/24/2010

On marriage, gays need to take page from Obama playbook

By Jonathan Capehart

The ink is barely dry on President Obama's signature repealing "don't ask, don't tell," and the tribe is already pushing him on same-sex marriage. According to today's Post, "Gay rights activists are... urging Obama to publicly call for states to allow same-sex marriage. It is fundamentally unfair, they say, that a gay soldier could die while serving but not be allowed in most states to marry his or her partner." Great point. But what they are calling for is sooo not going to happen unless, and until, they approach Obama on marriage equality the way he approached the military on lifting the ban on gay men and lesbians serving opening in the military.

Without question, the door is open in the president's thinking on this. What was the word he used in his last press conference? Oh, yes, "evolving." Said evolution would progress a lot faster if gay rights activists privately, but persistently, courted Obama to come around on this issue.

This is the approach Obama used with Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. While folks in the gay community thought the president was paying lip service on repealing DADT -- and there were moments when that impression was reinforced by the White House -- Obama was pressing, urging and cajoling the military leaders to get on board and get it done. Luckily, unlike President Clinton in 1993, Obama was putting the full court press on two people who were of like mind. The key was mutual respect. Obama is the commander in chief, but he respected the Pentagon's need for an orderly process to bring about the end of DADT.

I'm not saying that those demanding marriage equality stop their own pressing, urging and cajoling of Obama. They must continue. Everyone knows that acceptance of marriage equality is "inevitable," as Vice President Biden said today. But their efforts must be coupled with private meetings with the president where his evolution can transition from his heart to his head. He and the first lady have a lot of gay friends. They have gay staffers. As he has made clear on several occasions, he is not unsympathetic to or lacking in empathy for the desires of full acceptance of gay men and lesbians in committed relationships.

So, I'm convinced Obama's transition to public acceptance of marriage equality wouldn't be long. I would even say it could happen this term. I know. I know. Equality shouldn't have to wait. But whether it likes it or not, the gay community must give Obama the space needed to get there. That's the approach Obama took on DADT repeal -- and look how well that turned out.

By Jonathan Capehart  | December 24, 2010; 12:10 PM ET
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The evil writings in Leviticus 20:13; which exists in the old testament & torah … were written long after Moses -- 600BC -- regarding “priestly rules” … expanded by the pope; homophobes and religious frauds … to attack the gay community and never meant to apply to the public -- but to priests.

How would you like it … if hate speech was directed to your brother or sister as you sat in the pew; spewed by some better than thou religious lunatic with a hateful black book about Leviticus -- under his arm?

The pope and churches fully aware that Leviticus 20:13 applies only to priests refuse to remove this stigma maliciously persecuting gays. Kids bullied into suicide …! Being black or left-handed or being gay is just as natural.
If the black community or women had it written that they should be put to death; how would they like that?
Churches are committing hate crimes and more succinctly a violent criminal offence against a federally protected minority namely the gay community. It is actually a bigger moment in history … gays standing up for equality … soldiers being discharged are indeed exposing something far greater ... the realization that there is something far more evil at work -- hateful religion which should be discharged from society -- period. United States is supposedly fighting for democracy but within the U.S. they treat gays like secondary citizens.
It’s now time to shut down the churches with bibles with leviticus 20:13. Religion and the churches should now be exposed as a bigoted structure that gets away with hate mongering. It is a criminal offence to cause harm onto others physically or with written items … bibles have been getting away with this for ages. Tony Perkins and his The Family Research Council's opposition to gay rights have landed the outfit onto a list of "hate groups,” like the KKK. Christian colleges should be classified as hate groups and shut down. UK Prime Minister Cameron is facing this issue; as we speak … regarding hateful muslim & islam extremes & homophobia -- being taught to children at the mosques and schools.
This holier than thou – written so there it shall be -- fallacy; must be stopped!
It is a criminal offence to cause harm onto others physically or with written items … the bible and torah have been getting away with this for ages.
This bogus religious filth should be banned. It exists as a tax exempt structure which discriminates against human rights. The pope, bishops and mormons are cult members promoting discrimination against minorities. Perhaps religious establishments have pushed too far from San Francisco to Washington -- and it may backfire to such a degree that the churches should be shut down!

It is written; so therefore it shall be? We are the chosen people? Such a wicked fantasy. To see the religious lunatics manipulate government and our lives is shameful. According to biblical law, a father can sell his daughter as a slave.

Posted by: MacDonald1 | December 24, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Bibles and the torah which includes leviticus -- should be immediately banned … for promoting hatred against minorities … namely the gay community and the crosses removed from all schools and churches.
The Right Honourable Prime Minister of Canada Jean Chretien told the Vatican that there was to be no cross erected over the Canadian Parliament buildings figuratively speaking; when the Pope demanded the Prime Minister go against gay rights. An Alberta bishop had the audacity to say that The Canadian Prime Minister would go to hell for going against the church. Such outrageous evil threats. The Right Honourable Prime Minister in return; basically told the Pope to go to Hell! The Honourable Irwin Cotler, Canadian Minister of Justice, stood for equal rights for the gay community. With reference to protecting the children: The Honourable Hedy Fry, member of the Canadian Liberal Parliament, who happens to be a doctor who delivered many babies; spoke eloquently to defend the rights of babies being born and stated that she was in fact defending their rights by speaking on behalf of equal rights for the children and youth of the future -- defending their integrity and dignity.
Perhaps the irony might be -- that the bogus hogus pogus hate-speech with his hateful leviticus 20:13 might bring the bible and torah into a banned status and the churches and synagogues shut down! Religious proselytizing must be stopped in its tracks. The follower of one faith approaches the other from a position of superiority. She/he assertively presents theirs as the only true religion. Other faiths, including the religion of the listener, may be described as inferior, filled with errors, or even Satan-inspired. The proselytizer might state that the other will spend eternity being tortured in Hell unless they convert to the proselytizer's religion.
It is a sometimes rare occurrence to fall in Love and to hold that person in your heart and be loved in return ... it is something that should be celebrated! If it is between two guys or girls all the better. It takes even more courage to defend that LOVE!
I am the son of a catholic father who never went to church and a protestant mother who took us to church and Sunday school. Onward christian soldiers; I think not. Such absolute drivel. To be manipulated by a santa claus; an easter bunny and worst of all a bogus cross?
One should appreciate each day of life and not expect another.
By enjoying their tax exempt status and benefits from the state it also puts churches at the mercy of the state; to be forced to adhere to the human rights laws. Religion is thriving like a cancerous growth on society that should be stopped in its tracks; outlawed & banned.
There is no scientific evidence to prove any of the cross related bogus elements of christianity. Our early human ancestors; on this earth … go back more than 6 million years … 5,996,000 years before the Greeks, Romans and the Jews.

Posted by: MacDonald1 | December 24, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Christianity is basically a 2010 year old fictional cult.
In the year 300 AD when Emperor Constantine, who to some was the first pope; went on to fabricate & market Christianity - a fantasy - which turned out to be one of the most hateful & evil concoctions ever perpetrated on the world.
Minority rights must be decided by a dignified judicial system and/or a compassionate government.
Tell them to take that cross and shove it where the sun don't shine and pay their taxes along the way before they take that cross down forever with its final station; extinction.
The Vatican basically supported Hitler and religion is responsible for more corruption and violence in the world. Pope Ratzinger was involved in the Nazi youth. The Pope with his blatant witchcraft related to the bible and its hateful beliefs; tries to rule with extreme prejudice against a world … that may fall victim to religions' absolute evil. Many theologians state quite correctly that the birth; crucifixion; resurrection and other elements of christianity actually didn’t even happen! The pope is running a bigger fraud than Madoff’s $20 billion ripoff. Today’s evangelical extremists are like the nazis who cast others into ovens & are actually supremacists - who practice their bogus hocus pocus - and are trying to suppress and deprive others of their happiness and their legal rights in an open and proud society.
Einstein stated in a letter recently auctioned that the bible was a collection of primitive legends. He said believing in God was childish and he as a Jew is no different than another person and are not chosen by God. Do you want to be lambs at the slaughter or be wise and reject religious cultist manipulation? Mean & nasty; run by evil and bogus religious cults from Rome or wherever. Is this the world you want? The pope talks about ending prejudice and hate; what a hypocrite! Religion is a crutch for the insecure.
Appreciate every day and if there is no tomorrow; then know that you were fortunate to have lived on this earth!
A great story pertains to a boy at a catholic school in Oshawa, Ontario who wanted to take his boyfriend to his school prom. The evil catholic school forbid this. A father of one of the boys is an employee with General Motors Canada and the courageous union leader Buzz Hargrove stood up for the boys’ rights. The boy took his case through the courts and because the evil catholic school was benefiting from government funding which demands equal rights void of discrimination; the judge ordered the school to allow the two young boys to attend together. Their limo arrived at their prom with adoring onlookers.
To think of Matthew Shepard choking on his own blood after being savagely beaten; virtually sanctioned by the church is evil beyond comprehension; yet is the same as boys being bullied into suicide; most likely being supported by the bullies parents’ religious cults. Bigotry and hatemongering against gays should be banned.

Posted by: MacDonald1 | December 24, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Abused gay people should definitely talk to or write to their parents; friends; teachers & school principal ... about the issue. Your story may save another person!
A special compliment to the Parents … Mothers , Fathers and other family members who have stood up for their sons, daughters, nieces and nephews who may be facing identity issues as they enter their teens … possibly being bullied; when in fact being gay or bi is part of nature.
My father fought at the front on D-Day in Normandy … through the Battle of the Scheldt to Germany and grandfather was a Sgt. Major at Vimy. My Dad who was a catholic -- is alive today at 87 and doesn’t believe in santa claus -- an easter bunny or any of that bogus cross related filth.

Posted by: MacDonald1 | December 24, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait until gay marriage is the law. Then we can move on to father's marrying daughters, brothers and sisters, five women and one man or the other way around. Sick? Naw, we don't know sick anymore, just civil righs and why shouldn't anyone in love be able to marry? We've moved this line around in the sand to the point that I belive anything goes in the near future. God bless America.

Posted by: mmg16 | December 24, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

when does the gay BS end? our people and resources are suffering and dying in crapholes around the world and these absolute morons still are focused on homos,illegals and other whining groups of complete useless causes.

Posted by: pofinpa | December 24, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

@MacDonald1,

As a gay rights and gay marriage supporter, I'd like to make a few comments on your comments:

1) The level of vitriol, hatred and desire to destroy utterly Christianity and churches shows me you've learned their lessons in non-acceptance, persecution, and destruction at their knee perfectly - if you were working for them, they'd be so very proud! As it is, I'm sorry to hear that we're on the same side of this issue; while I'm perfectly willing to allow someone else whatever they want to believe as long as it doesn't get imposed on me, you appear to be cut from the same cloth as Christian persecutors, Church inquisitors, and Nazi jack-booted thugs - you don't seek merely gaining the right to marry and live freely in society - you want to see your opponents crushed beneath your self-righteous heel, their possessions looted or destroyed, and the memory of their legacies, good or bad, purged before the arrogant belief in your superiour contributions to society, whether society agrees or not.

2) By taking such a hard line against religion as your personal enemy, and demanding not their defeat but their destruction, you're virtually guarranteeing (sp?) that the large and growing number of Christian faithful who are for gay rights and marriage oppose you and your beliefs, if only to assure their own survival. Which is a great method for assuring that, as a minority, you never gain enough main stream support to be anything but a bitter and vindictive minority with a persecution complex.

3) Please stop overstating and over-emphasizing the level of persecution you may be suffering in our society. While I will agree that the gay community as a whole can identify itself as 'second class citizens' until they are assured equal treatment under the law, regardless of the views of the religious communities that contribute to our society, the threatment of the gay community in the United States has -never- approached the severity with which the black community suffered through historically, and certainly has never suffered the treatment that gays endured, suffered through, and often died under, in countries and regimes in the rest of the world - with Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia being the most hideous and outrageous examples. Even including the appalling and unacceptable violence that have been visited upon individual and small groups of gays in the US, recently and historically - gays in the US live a far more acceptable life than those in many other places and cultures around the globe. Exagerating gay suffering, rather than honestly exposing how gay lives are impacted by inequities in rights and social norms, causes people who might otherwise be sympathetic to believe the gay community is simply a whiny group of exagerating liers milking their oppression for self-aggredizement and potential personal gain.

Your level of education and commitment to this cause is admirable. Your methods, hatred, and hyperbole are not.

Posted by: Darkechilde | December 24, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

@MacDonald1,

As a gay rights and gay marriage supporter, I'd like to make a few comments on your comments:

1) The level of vitriol, hatred and desire to destroy utterly Christianity and churches shows me you've learned their lessons in non-acceptance, persecution, and destruction at their knee perfectly - if you were working for them, they'd be so very proud! As it is, I'm sorry to hear that we're on the same side of this issue; while I'm perfectly willing to allow someone else whatever they want to believe as long as it doesn't get imposed on me, you appear to be cut from the same cloth as Christian persecutors, Church inquisitors, and Nazi jack-booted thugs - you don't seek merely gaining the right to marry and live freely in society - you want to see your opponents crushed beneath your self-righteous heel, their possessions looted or destroyed, and the memory of their legacies, good or bad, purged before the arrogant belief in your superiour contributions to society, whether society agrees or not.

2) By taking such a hard line against religion as your personal enemy, and demanding not their defeat but their destruction, you're virtually guarranteeing (sp?) that the large and growing number of Christian faithful who are for gay rights and marriage oppose you and your beliefs, if only to assure their own survival. Which is a great method for assuring that, as a minority, you never gain enough main stream support to be anything but a bitter and vindictive minority with a persecution complex.

3) Please stop overstating and over-emphasizing the level of persecution you may be suffering in our society. While I will agree that the gay community as a whole can identify itself as 'second class citizens' until they are assured equal treatment under the law, regardless of the views of the religious communities that contribute to our society, the threatment of the gay community in the United States has -never- approached the severity with which the black community suffered through historically, and certainly has never suffered the treatment that gays endured, suffered through, and often died under, in countries and regimes in the rest of the world - with Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia being the most hideous and outrageous examples. Even including the appalling and unacceptable violence that have been visited upon individual and small groups of gays in the US, recently and historically - gays in the US live a far more acceptable life than those in many other places and cultures around the globe. Exagerating gay suffering, rather than honestly exposing how gay lives are impacted by inequities in rights and social norms, causes people who might otherwise be sympathetic to believe the gay community is simply a whiny group of exagerating liers milking their oppression for self-aggredizement and potential personal gain.

Your level of education and commitment to this cause is admirable. Your methods, hatred, and hyperbole are not.

Posted by: Darkechilde | December 24, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

@MacDonald1,

As a gay rights and gay marriage supporter, I'd like to make a few comments on your comments:

1) The level of vitriol, hatred and desire to destroy utterly Christianity and churches shows me you've learned their lessons in non-acceptance, persecution, and destruction at their knee perfectly - if you were working for them, they'd be so very proud! As it is, I'm sorry to hear that we're on the same side of this issue; while I'm perfectly willing to allow someone else whatever they want to believe as long as it doesn't get imposed on me, you appear to be cut from the same cloth as Christian persecutors, Church inquisitors, and Nazi jack-booted thugs - you don't seek merely gaining the right to marry and live freely in society - you want to see your opponents crushed beneath your self-righteous heel, their possessions looted or destroyed, and the memory of their legacies, good or bad, purged before the arrogant belief in your superiour contributions to society, whether society agrees or not.

2) By taking such a hard line against religion as your personal enemy, and demanding not their defeat but their destruction, you're virtually guarranteeing (sp?) that the large and growing number of Christian faithful who are for gay rights and marriage oppose you and your beliefs, if only to assure their own survival. Which is a great method for assuring that, as a minority, you never gain enough main stream support to be anything but a bitter and vindictive minority with a persecution complex.

3) Please stop overstating and over-emphasizing the level of persecution you may be suffering in our society. While I will agree that the gay community as a whole can identify itself as 'second class citizens' until they are assured equal treatment under the law, regardless of the views of the religious communities that contribute to our society, the threatment of the gay community in the United States has -never- approached the severity with which the black community suffered through historically, and certainly has never suffered the treatment that gays endured, suffered through, and often died under, in countries and regimes in the rest of the world - with Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia being the most hideous and outrageous examples. Even including the appalling and unacceptable violence that have been visited upon individual and small groups of gays in the US, recently and historically - gays in the US live a far more acceptable life than those in many other places and cultures around the globe. Exagerating gay suffering, rather than honestly exposing how gay lives are impacted by inequities in rights and social norms, causes people who might otherwise be sympathetic to believe the gay community is simply a whiny group of exagerating liers milking their oppression for self-aggredizement and potential personal gain.

Your level of education and commitment to this cause is admirable. Your methods, hatred, and hyperbole are not.

Posted by: Darkechilde | December 24, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

What's with the comments so far? Oh, yeah, it's X-mas eve. Happy Hollow-daze.

Anyway, the article: "give Obama the space needed to get there. That's the approach Obama took on DADT repeal -- and look how well that turned out."

With DADT the "space" got a lot narrower with court cases pending. A legal decision, a definite Constitutional question resolved, would put us back into the dying era of eternal 'culture' wars - i.e. abortion.

Would be nice to see the President and Congress act before 2012. Barring genuine movement in that direction, court cases on DOMA and marriage are pending.

Posted by: ldfrmc | December 24, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

"and look how well that turned out." Uh, Johnny, nothing has "turned out" just yet. Gays and lesbians are still in the closet in the military and are destined to stay there for quite some time. Sure, the bill is signed and that just moved the ball down the field. What if the SECDEF and CJCS, after their 60 day evaluation, say it will affect good order and discipline? Then the law is null and void. If they are just going to rubber stamp it, then why do they need 60 days? Oh yeah, to show political credibility that they are REALLY evaluating it....yuk yuk..what a joke. The law will probably go into effect, but don't expect it to be a smooth transition.

Posted by: powerange | December 24, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Most Americans are so sick and tired of you people that are nothing but perverts no matter how you spin it. As long as you have the unmitigated gall of constantly braying and bleating about your "problem" and how proud you are, all this sounds like you are having to convince yourself how great it is being a pervert. Keep it up and eventually you will breed out.

Posted by: nomobarry | December 24, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Gang bangers, social misfits, malcontents, weirdos, miscreants, deviants and perverts are now the majority, and zealots that hear and spin the voice of god will be given anti-psychotic medication. Sixty percent of Americans are searching for a better orgasm, and they are not going to be deprived of it because of laws made by religious fanatics.

Posted by: morristhewise | December 24, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

MacDonald1:

Take a Valium. Or get a life. Or something.

Posted by: S1VA | December 24, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

The only rights Democrats seem to care about is gay rights. If gay marriage is their next issue, I will stay home in 2012.

Posted by: sunnyday1 | December 24, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

why on earth would gays want to borrow anything from bush the third?

Posted by: newagent99 | December 24, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

@Jonathan. I agree with your premise that we will not see Obama call on states to allow gay marriage in the immediate future.

But I think that comparing changing Obama's mind to changing the military leaders's minds is a very wrong comparison. Obama is one man who can make up his mind without anyone else having a say in the matter. Unlike the military in which so many people, including the entire Congress had a say.

I am not expecting the President to change his mind or "evolve" tomorrow. But it seems clear that the President's views are political and not religious. There is the slight hypocricy of being against Proposition 8 and against marriage-equality and for civil unions.

So I do hope the President and after today's interview the Vice-President will evolve their positions. As was said in today's Washington Post article Obama should not wait for the nation to evolve but he could rather help to lead that movement to evolve.

Posted by: peterdc | December 24, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Question: What can gays borrow from Obama ?

Answer: A large jar of Vaseline.

Posted by: Defund_NPR | December 24, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Question: What can gays borrow from Obama ?

Answer: a limp wrist

Posted by: Obama_TRAITOR_in_Chief | December 24, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

DON'T ASK AND GAY MARRIAGE ARE AT THE OPPOSITE ENDS OF THE RAINBOW. THE PRESIDENT IS SAYING "EVOLVING" AND THE VEEP SAYS "INEVITABLE". CAN YOU SMELL 2012 IN THE AIR? CAN YOU IMAGING AN EVEN BIGGER DEFEAT FOR THE DEMOCRATS. THESE TWO GUYS AREN'T KIDDING ANYONE BUT THEMSELVES. LET'S HOPE THE GAYS SEE THE DIFFERENCE.

Posted by: DANSHANTEAL1 | December 24, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

our first black and gay president.

Posted by: dagner49 | December 24, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Russ Limbaugh spews hate, suspicion, doubt, and accusations against gays and democrats day in and day out.

I am waiting for some responsible adult in our country to get him off public airwaves.

When the amount of hate he spews is too much for the rest of America, we have a chance to
tone down the hatred against gays.

Posted by: dutchess2 | December 24, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

good points on obama being a two-faced liar. give him some space to weave his
web of deceit.

Posted by: jimsr121 | December 24, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

I love Obama, he is my leader and CinChief. DADT has been vanquished due to his leadership and oratorical skills, and also because Joe Biden is a great VP.

Posted by: BarneyTrouble | December 24, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

To Nomobarry: If most Americans were sick and tired of "you people," DADT would never have been repealed. In fact, polls consistently showed that approximately 70% of Americans were in support of this repeal. What most Americans are actually saying is that they are sick and tired of hateful, mouth-breathing bigots.

Posted by: jimestw | December 24, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

For wahtever it`s worth to the gay and lesbian community..... not everyone is filled with such hate and vitriol as expressed here.

Long before it became the "in" think I thought that the idea that "marriage" and legal rights should be disconnected here in America. We should follow many European countries wherein one is civilly "married" at the court house and that bestows all the legal rights and privaleges accorded by the laws of that country. Only through civil marriage can the laws of the country be held valid.

"Marriage" from a religious perspective should be only valid from within the perspective of that particular religion. It should carry no weight in the court system. Thus, people could be religiously married and it would carry no weight in a court (for divorce, medical rights, inheritance, etc).

Couples could be "civilly married" by the gov`t and have all the rights and privileges of the law. Whether they chose to have a non-legally binding church marriage will be up to them.

Let`s disconnect them once and for all.

For the record.... married 30+ years and counting. Sexuallity has nothing to do with my perspective on what is right and wrong.

Posted by: KarenLS | December 25, 2010 12:01 AM | Report abuse

There are interesting concepts in the law relating to marriage.

Marriage was essentially an agreement whereby a man (not a husband) took a wife. The agreement was referred to as a marriage contract. It dealt with many matters including the transference of property.

One must distinguish between marriages involving the poor and those involving the rich. The poor had nothing other than the skin on their backs.

The rich had more important concerns such as marrying to obtain advantages relating to power and wealth. Look at what happened to the marriages of the kings of England (who were the heads of the Church of England).

Over time marriages have changed. They have adapted to new ideas. The important thing is that the concept of marriage has not been constant. Thus, today, a man and woman are now referred to as the husband and the wife.

The idea that marriages are sacred and forever, is not convincing. That is why two thirds of married people have affairs and half of all married people go to the divorce courts to end their trip to hell.

Once upon a time, it was considered a preposterous proposition that women should serve in the armed forces. There were prophesies of doom and gloom if this was allowed to happen. Fortunately, the prophets of turmoil have been proven wrong.

I support gay marriages. The reality is that a marriage is nothing more than the binding together of two people who wish to be recognised as married.

We adapt to changing circumstances all of the time. Sometimes change is slowed down by those who cling to delusions such as the idea that a marriage can only be between a man and a woman. The idea that this is sacrosanct is silly. It is inevitable that change will come and that gay marriages will take place and when that happens the world will keep spinning.

Let it happen.

Posted by: robertjames1 | December 25, 2010 12:15 AM | Report abuse

With all the hate, evil, greed, suffering, abject horror, and cruelty in the world, it is unbelievable that some are so willing to diminish LOVE -- unarguably the most cherished value of humanity.

That they do so in the name of their religion only shows the inhuman morality that supports those beliefs. A morality that is designed not to further the cause of humanity but to line the coffers of the priests and serve to confer them with worldly influence.

For a religion that prides itself on following the teachings of Jesus, how odd then that Jesus said NOTHING about gay marriage (which was most certainly practiced by the Greeks and Romans of his time) and ranted and raved against priestly power, wealth, and influence.

What an odd way of following those teachings!

Posted by: ethanquern | December 25, 2010 12:15 AM | Report abuse

jerryharmon@jerryharmon.com
I
who is this pathetic capehart or who the heck ever this sissy is?
Well it doesn't really matter for those of us who are real men and tired of hearing these wimps who sit and cry the blues about their wonderful liberal agendas.. lol yeah right. We fought for the rights of idiots who live in their protected shells rights as we did everyone else.
I AM JUST SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GRATEFUL TO GOD THAT MY FELLOW CITIZENS SAW THE WRIING ON THE WALL FROM THE WITCH OF THE WEST, REID, AND BIG EARS.. GO AHEAD CRY MOAN ALL YOU WANT TO FRUITCAKES,, YOUR IDIOT IN THE WHITE HOUSE WHO HAD TO GET A FORMER JERK PRES.. NAME OF ORAL OFFICE WILLIE WONT BE TALKING SMACK NOW. LOLLL AMERICA HAS BEEN SAVED FROM THE ANTI AMERICAN MORONS ONCE AGAIN. AREN'T YOU GLAD?

Posted by: jerryharmon | December 25, 2010 12:26 AM | Report abuse

jerryharmon@jerryharmon.com
I
who is this pathetic capehart or who the heck ever this sissy is?
Well it doesn't really matter for those of us who are real men and tired of hearing these wimps who sit and cry the blues about their wonderful liberal agendas.. lol yeah right. We fought for the rights of idiots who live in their protected shells rights as we did everyone else.
I AM JUST SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GRATEFUL TO GOD THAT MY FELLOW CITIZENS SAW THE WRIING ON THE WALL FROM THE WITCH OF THE WEST, REID, AND BIG EARS.. GO AHEAD CRY MOAN ALL YOU WANT TO FRUITCAKES,, YOUR IDIOT IN THE WHITE HOUSE WHO HAD TO GET A FORMER JERK PRES.. NAME OF ORAL OFFICE WILLIE WONT BE TALKING SMACK NOW. LOLLL AMERICA HAS BEEN SAVED FROM THE ANTI AMERICAN MORONS ONCE AGAIN. AREN'T YOU GLAD?

Posted by: jerryharmon | December 25, 2010 12:27 AM | Report abuse

jerryharmon@jerryharmon.com
I
who is this pathetic capehart or who the heck ever this sissy is?
Well it doesn't really matter for those of us who are real men and tired of hearing these wimps who sit and cry the blues about their wonderful liberal agendas.. lol yeah right. We fought for the rights of idiots who live in their protected shells rights as we did everyone else.
I AM JUST SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GRATEFUL TO GOD THAT MY FELLOW CITIZENS SAW THE WRIING ON THE WALL FROM THE WITCH OF THE WEST, REID, AND BIG EARS.. GO AHEAD CRY MOAN ALL YOU WANT TO FRUITCAKES,, YOUR IDIOT IN THE WHITE HOUSE WHO HAD TO GET A FORMER JERK PRES.. NAME OF ORAL OFFICE WILLIE WONT BE TALKING SMACK NOW. LOLLL AMERICA HAS BEEN SAVED FROM THE ANTI AMERICAN MORONS ONCE AGAIN. AREN'T YOU GLAD?

Posted by: jerryharmon | December 25, 2010 12:27 AM | Report abuse

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Robert I suppose you obviously never read the part where it was describing that when men are attracted to other men is sick and an abomination unto God? You missed that I guess for it did not fit your warped idea of love.. I did not type it verbata, but it is there..

Posted by: jerryharmon | December 25, 2010 12:32 AM | Report abuse

I am a Christian, I beleive in God, what I do NOT believe in totally is the Bible, the bible was written by Man and once man has his hand on anything it change's, I have been told that God spoke to these people of the Bible but how do we know that they did what he told them to do and say, after all God gave us Free Will, they could have changed his word's like people do when someone tell's them thing's,Did any ever hear that God said that man should not marry/love man or woman to woman? man said that he said it. Put the Bible to your ear tell me what did YOU HEAR GOD SAY? The God that I Love and Serve would want me and Everyone to be Happy and to Love whom ever make's them happy, I am truly Blessed and Love by God, and he know's how I live, today Christmas Day I am 3 score's and 7 you do the math,in good health, never been sick enough to go to the hospital this is becasue God is in my life EVERYDAY,and he know's that I am a Very Proud Gay Black Man, I give it all to God, to all a Merry Christmas.

Posted by: onesugar1 | December 25, 2010 6:43 AM | Report abuse

Capehart needs some new knee pads so he can continue to service his bf Obama.

Posted by: JUNGLEJIM123 | December 25, 2010 6:52 AM | Report abuse

Capehart needs some new knee pads so he can continue to service his bf Obama.

Posted by: JUNGLEJIM123 | December 25, 2010 6:53 AM | Report abuse

Capehart needs some new knee pads so he can continue his relationship with the OBAMA.

Posted by: JUNGLEJIM123 | December 25, 2010 7:03 AM | Report abuse

I completely agree with KarenLS. The legal aspects of a relationship are proper issues of governmental law and policy and should be appropriately contained within civil unions. Marriage, being a religious construct, is appropriate fodder for the various religious venues. Short of trampling on individual rights religious institutions should be free to pursue their own agendas and rise, or fall, accordingly.

Posted by: rsh43 | December 25, 2010 7:48 AM | Report abuse

To Palin's homophobic theocon thugs:

May God bless you with a gay child or grandchild to open your cold, closed and far-from-Christ-like hearts.

It worked for your Lord Cheney so there's hope for you, too. We'll pray for you.

Posted by: areyousaying | December 25, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Hey Gapehard, take a page from my book. These misfits are not gay, they are qu***r There is nothing Gay about Perversion, and what these fools do for sexual gratification is Perverse. Sticking something into where it doesn't belong , and then licking it is perverse, and disgusting , as well. I hope some morning about 3 a.m. you , Obama, Lieberman, Pelosi and Reid awaken to find a 3rd hand that doesn't belong under your blanket right there to tell you how wrong your stand has been .

Posted by: puck-101 | December 25, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Predators pedophiles and child molesters will be the rest of the perverts who want recognition like the perverse homosexuals have received from the scumbag democrats.

Posted by: LarryG62 | December 25, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

MacDonald1,your imitation of a right wing troll is not impressing anyone. Your nonsense about banning scriptures, accusing churches of committing hate crimes, and taxing churches because of their standing on gay rights is music to the ears of conservative Christians. It's similar to the now famous comment that one gay activist wrote in the aftermath of Prop 8, "burn the churches to the ground and tax the ashes".

Conservatives use such utterances, quite successfully, in state-wide campaigns, to claim that additional rights for gays means a loss of rights for many religious people. This tactic has been used against gay rights in state after state, including California, and your nonsense plays to it perfectly.

Posted by: LoyalReader | December 25, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Marriage means husband and wife, as any seven year old anywhere on the planet can tell you, regardless of race, nationality, ethnicity, language, culture, creed, faith, color or any other category. The plain meaning of that everyday word is not "evolving". The most basic facts of life are not "evolving".

There is no individual "right" to fabricate new definitions for ordinary words. Nor has the state any power to redefine marriage, because it is not a creation of the state in the first place.

We've spent enough time on this pointless topic.

Posted by: thebump | December 25, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Homophobia is intolerance which brings no benefit. Same-sex marriage is a right. To get President Obama to publicly say that he supports same-sex marriage, LGBT rights activists need to pressure him while still being respectful. If President Obama says that he would use his bully pulpit to get members of Congress to pass a recognition of same-sex marriage bill, then one of the biggest wishes of the United States LGBT rights movement would come true.

Posted by: LibertyForAll | December 25, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Let me get this straight. The intent of the "gay rights" movement is to force everyone in the United States to accept a rather peculiar defintion of marriage. In essence, all of us (by force of law) must now totally re-define marriage. This is all done in the name of "tolerance" and "diversity". Apparently, God, the Democratic party or someone else has given this group and certain courts the exclusive right to re-define words for the rest of us. All in the name of "tolerance". How do these folks look themselves in the mirror? How can they view themselves as anything but hypocrites?

Posted by: JusttheTruth4 | December 25, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

I will be 90 years old this coming year.I have seen , and been saddened, by the step by step destruction of the morals of our country, Abortin, Pornography, Religion excummunicated from Public life, Euthanasia,free love, sodomy,ignore our Constitution, and now the attempt to destroy the strongest pillar of any society, that of Marriage.
Socialism believers state 'destroy then rebuild' and they have done a pretty good job, all in the name of progress.
Now they will get the rabble rousers 'McDonald commentaters' to storm into the Catholic Churches and kill those damm believers just as they are doing in China and the Muslim countries.
This is still our country. We still have the right to vote.

From an old Marine,
Semper Fi

Posted by: bilmul83 | December 26, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Sir,
I note McDonald went on for hours and each and every one of his comments were posteed.
My comment ,a critical one, was my first and you stateed I had made to many comments so my post waws refused.
Tipical Liberalism...so sad.

Semper Fi

Posted by: bilmul83 | December 26, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Sir,
I note McDonald went on for hours and each and every one of his comments were posteed.
My comment ,a critical one, was my first and you stateed I had made to many comments so my post waws refused.
Tipical Liberalism...so sad.

Semper Fi

Posted by: bilmul83 | December 26, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

How can the United States produce the majority of the world's Nobel laureates, almost all of the techno wizardry that enrich our lives, the greatest medical advances known to human kind, build some of the world's greatest centers of learning, - and, allow the ignorance of the James Dobsons and the Pat Robertsons to guide our social and political affairs? Befuddling.

Posted by: vinceporter | December 26, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Obama is stuck with his statement that marriage is limited to that of one man and one woman. He now says, as the polls change, that he is struggling with the issue. Struggling after all this time?

As a Constitutional lecturer he should know that sooner or later the Supreme Court will have to rule and that the ruling will no doubt be that gays have a constitutional right to marry the person of their choice as marriage is a great and wonderful institution. Loving v. Virginia made it clear enough when tossing out the miscegenation laws, that would, if still in force would by making it a felony and would have prevented Justice Clarence Thomas from marrying his caucasian wife.

Gay marriage prevention laws are going the way of restrictive covenants, separate but equal education, and miscegenation laws. Biden for a change is right on that.

Posted by: LETFREEDOMRING2 | December 26, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Obama doesn't care if gays marry or not, his stand was to get the conservative Christian vote which now appears to be in the minority. This is political with Obama not spiritual and anyone who thinks otherwise should have their credit cards taken away.

Posted by: LETFREEDOMRING2 | December 26, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

KarenLS wrote a very rational and convincing letter with which I agree. Marriage should be civil, available to all and marriage in the church should be based on the church's tenets. The opinions of bigots, whether it is based on religious bigotry or anything else, should have not power to control other's live. There will always be ignorant bigotry and the rest of us need to move on and ignore it. I am not comfortable having rights denied to others based on race, religion, national origin, disability, or anything else bigots dream up.

Posted by: withersb | December 27, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

KarenLS wrote a very rational and convincing letter with which I agree. Marriage should be civil, available to all and marriage in the church should be based on the church's tenets. The opinions of bigots, whether it is based on religious bigotry or anything else, should have not power to control other's live. There will always be ignorant bigotry and the rest of us need to move on and ignore it. I am not comfortable having rights denied to others based on race, religion, national origin, disability, or anything else bigots dream up.

Posted by: withersb | December 27, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Obama won't be up there as Pres. long enough for the gay rights to marriage
"Evolvment". He is a one term man and
that is TOO LONG. True, "morality can't
be legislated" but it certainly won't ever
be accepted by the majority in a republic.

Posted by: MMort | December 27, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Obama won't be up there as Pres. long enough for the gay rights to marriage
"Evolvment". He is a one term man and
that is TOO LONG. True, "morality can't
be legislated" but it certainly won't ever
be accepted by the majority in a republic.

Posted by: MMort | December 27, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Top 10 gay marriage false 'facts'

When one judge overturned the will of more than seven million Californians last week in Perry v. Schwarzenegger, he listed 80 supposed "findings of fact" (FF) as evidence that Proposition 8 violates the Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution. Many of those 80 findings are not facts at all. They're lies or distortions.

Before we address the top ten false "facts" asserted by Judge Vaughn Walker, there is one real fact in his opinion that defeats the entire case for his opinion. Here it is:

"The evidence at trial shows that marriage in the United States traditionally has not been open to same-sex couples."

Since that fact is unquestionably true, how can Judge Walker honestly declare that Proposition 8 violates the Fourteenth Amendment? Certainly no one in 1868 intended the Fourteenth Amendment to redefine marriage. Only the most tyrannical form of judicial activism can get Judge Walker to his conclusion.

Second, Prop. 8 doesn't violate the Fourteenth Amendment because every person in America already has equal marriage rights. We're all playing by the same rules — we all have the same right to marry any non-related adult of the opposite sex. Those rules do not deny anyone "equal protection of the laws" because the qualifications to enter a marriage apply equally to everyone — every adult person has the same right to marry.

What about homosexuals? That leads us to Judge Walker's first false "fact."

1. "Sexual orientation is fundamental to a person's identity and is a distinguishing characteristic that defines gays and lesbians as a discrete group." (FF 44) This is the most important of the false facts because Walker's entire case collapses without it. The "fact" is false because it ignores the difference between desires and behavior.

Having certain sexual desires — whether you were "born" with them or acquired them sometime in life — does not mean that you are being discriminated against if the law doesn't allow the behavior you desire. Good laws discriminate against behavior. They do not discriminate against people. If Walker's false "fact" was a real fact, we'd have to redefine marriage to include not just same-sex couples, but also relatives, multiple partners, children or any other sexual relationship people desire. After all, those are "sexual orientations" too.

In other words, there should be no legal class of "gay" or "straight," just a legal class called "person." And it doesn't matter whether persons desire sex with the same or opposite sex, or whether they desire sex with children, parents, multiple partners or farm animals. What matters is whether the behavior desired is something the country should prohibit, permit or promote. And that's a job for the people, not judges.

2. "California has no interest in asking gays and lesbians to change their sexual orientation or in reducing the number of gays and lesbians in California." (FF 47) Other than helping them avoid diseas

Posted by: lyn3 | December 27, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

3. "Same-sex couples are identical to opposite-sex couples in the characteristics relevant to the ability to form successful marital unions." (FF 48) What does "successful" mean? It has nothing to do with children, according to Judge Walker. In his "the stork brings children" universe, marriage is merely about coupling; procreation is just incidental to it. He thinks a "successful" marriage is merely about commitment, but he can't even support that case.

In another instance of special pleading, Judge Walker ignores the evidence that at least half of committed homosexual relationships are open as even the New York Times reported. (Other studies found even higher rates of promiscuity and infidelity.) This is so well known it's a travesty that Judge Walker claims exactly the opposite is true. The Times reported, "None of this is news in the gay community, but few will speak publicly about it. Of the dozen people in open relationships contacted for this column, no one would agree to use his or her full name, citing privacy concerns. They also worried that discussing the subject could undermine the legal fight for same-sex marriage." Maybe Judge Walker was worried too, and that's why he didn't bother mentioning this real fact with his false facts.

4. "Permitting same-sex couples to marry will not affect the number of opposite-sex couples who marry, divorce, cohabit, have children outside of marriage or otherwise affect the stability of opposite-sex marriages." (FF 55) Judge Walker cites just four years of data from Massachusetts to make that sweeping conclusion about the most important relationship in human civilization. The truth is that evidence from other countries over a much longer period shows a mutually reinforcing relationship between same-sex marriage and illegitimacy. And the disastrous results of 40 years of liberalized divorce laws show how monumentally important marriage laws are to the health of marriages, children, and the nation.

Posted by: lyn3 | December 27, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

5. "Proposition 8 does not affect the First Amendment rights of those opposed to marriage for same-sex couples." (FF 62) It's too bad Judge Walker didn't look to evidence from Massachusetts for this false fact. If he had he would have seen that court-imposed same-sex marriage has severely affected First Amendment rights. Same-sex marriage may not affect heterosexual marriage behavior quickly, but it certainly affects the free exercise of religion very quickly.

Parents in Massachusetts now have no right to know when their children are being taught about homosexuality in grades as low as kindergarten, neither can they opt their kids out (one parent was even jailed overnight for protesting this). Businesses are now forced to give benefits to same-sex couples regardless of any moral or religious objection the business owner may have. The government also ordered Catholic Charities to give children to homosexuals wanting to adopt. As a result, Catholic Charities closed their adoption agency rather than submit to an immoral order. Unfortunately, children are again the victims of the morality that comes with same-sex marriage.

"But you can't legislate morality!" some say. Nonsense. Not only do all laws legislate morality, sometimes immorality is imposed by judges against the will of the people and in violation of religious rights. There is no neutral ground here. Either we will have freedom of religion and conscience, or we will be forced to adhere to the whims of judges who declare that their own distorted view of morality supersedes our rights — rights that our founders declared self-evident.

Think I'm overreacting? If this decision survives and nullifies all democratically decided laws in the 45 states that preserve natural marriage, religious rights violations in Massachusetts will go nationwide. In fact, it's poised to happen already at the federal level. President Obama recently appointed gay activist Chai Feldblum to the EEOC. Speaking of the inevitable conflict between religious rights and so-called gay rights, Feldblum said, "I'm having a hard time coming up with any case in which religious liberty should win."

Posted by: lyn3 | December 27, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

6. "No credible evidence supports a finding that an individual may, through conscious decision, therapeutic intervention or any other method, change his or her sexual orientation." (FF 46) I guess thousands of ex-gays just don't exist in Judge Walker's special-pleading universe. Neither does renowned Columbia University psychiatrist, Dr. Robert Spitzer, who concluded that some highly motivated individuals can change their orientation from homosexual to heterosexual through reorientation therapy.

This is significant because Spitzer is no propagandist for the religious right. Quite the contrary — a self-described "Jewish atheist," Spitzer has been a hero to homosexual activists since 1973 when he helped get homosexuality declassified as a mental disorder. Recently, however, they've turned on him because he reported the truth.

Dr. Spitzer said that his 2003 study "has been criticized severely by many people, particularly gay activists, who apparently, feel quite threatened by it. They have the feeling that in order to get their civil rights, it's helpful to them if they can present the view that once you're a homosexual you can never change."

When asked whether the American Psychiatric Association should now change its position statements that say orientation cannot be changed, Dr. Spitzer said, "I think they should, [but] they will not be....There's a gay activist group that's very strong and very vocal and is recognized officially by the American Psychiatric Association. There's nobody to give the other viewpoint. There may be a few who believe it but they won't talk."

Dr. Spitzer then acknowledged explicitly that politics often trump the scientific facts at organizations like the APA (an organization cited to bolster Judge Walker's conclusion). He also said that the APA should stop applying a double standard by discouraging reorientation therapy, while actively encouraging gay-affirmative therapy that's intended to confirm and solidify a homosexual identity. Good point by Dr. Spitzer. After all, if people can be talked into it, then why can't they be talked out of it?

Sexual orientation isn't like race either. You'll find many former homosexuals, but you'll never find a former African American.

Of course Walker's "fact" even if true is irrelevant anyway. Marriage does not need to be redefined just because people can't change their sexual desires. Otherwise a legal "marriage" relationship must be created for every particular sexual desire.

Posted by: lyn3 | December 27, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

7. "The gender of a child's parent is not a factor in a child's adjustment." (FF 70) Incredibly, Judge Walker says that this conclusion "is accepted beyond serious debate." Citing a study by the politicized APA, Walker never admits that not enough research has been done to evaluate the well being of children living with homosexual parents. And he ignored evidence presented by the defense that contradicted his "fact."

But does one really need a study to know that Walker is wrong? Was your father different as a parent than your mother? To say no is laughable. In fact, even Rodney Dangerfield could expose this false fact. "No respect at all — when I was a baby, I was breast fed by my father!"

Later in the opinion, Walker makes the unbelievable assertion that "gender no longer forms an essential part of marriage; marriage under law is a union of equals." Who sez? The imperial Judge Walker.

Questions for the Judge: Why do you assert that men and women are interchangeable as parents but not as sex partners? After all, if gender really is irrelevant to marriage as you maintain — if men and women are interchangeable — then why argue for same-sex marriage at all? Why not just tell homosexuals, "Gender is irrelevant to marriage, so instead of making a fuss, why not just go ahead and marry someone from the opposite sex"?

Why not? Because when it comes to their own personal gratification, homosexual activists like Judge Walker clearly recognize the big difference between the sexes. But when it comes to the more important priority of raising children, they say there is no difference between the sexes. Children are just going to have to take a backseat to their sexual desires. Dr. Jennifer Roback Morse sums up the attitude of homosexual activists well. She writes: "[Homosexual] adults are entitled to have what they want. Children have to take what we give them."

8. "Religious beliefs that gay and lesbian relationships are sinful or inferior to heterosexual relationships harm gays and lesbians." (FF 77) Really? Do religious beliefs that drunkenness is sinful or inferior to sobriety harm alcoholics? No, those beliefs help such people by telling them the truth about destructive behavior instead of enabling them with liberal fantasyland talk about how all behaviors and lifestyles are equal.

Posted by: lyn3 | December 27, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

9. "Proposition 8 results in frequent reminders for gays and lesbians in committed long-term relationships that their relationships are not as highly valued as opposite-sex relationships." (FF 68) This is not meant to be offensive, but what if certain relationships really are more valuable to society than others? Clearly, the procreative committed relationship of a man and a woman is more valuable than any other relationship in society because it is necessary for society's very survival. To comprehend the impact of this, you just need to consider two questions.

(1) What would happen to society if everyone lived faithfully in natural marriage? Our country would thrive with a drastic reduction in numerous social problems including illegitimacy, crime, welfare, and abortion.

(2) What would happen to society if everyone lived faithfully in same-sex marriage? Society wouldn't thrive because it wouldn't even survive. It would end the human race!

This is not to say that such a law would cause this, but merely to point out that certain relationships are more valuable to a society than others. The truth is that homosexual and heterosexual relationships are not the same, can never be the same, and will never yield the same benefits to individuals or society. No law can change that fact; only deceive people into thinking so.

If this point offends you, then you have a problem with reality, not me. I didn't make up the facts of nature. I'm just admitting them — something Judge Walker and many same-sex marriage supporters seem unwilling to do.

10. "Proposition 8 fails to advance any rational basis in singling out gay men and lesbians for denial of a marriage license." (Conclusion) The real fact is that Judge Walker fails to provide any "rational basis" for overturning Proposition 8 — no rational basis from the Constitution or common sense. While lecturing the people of California that their "private moral views" cannot be used to make their laws, Judge Walker has simply imposed his own "private moral view" that same-sex marriage must be sanctioned. That is objectively immoral and unconstitutional itself.

He claims that the exclusion of same-sex couples from marriage "exists as an artifact of a time when the genders were seen as having distinct roles in society and in marriage. That time has passed." If that's true, that's not for him or any judge to decide. The people of California have said that time has not passed.

Disagree? Then you have the burden of persuading your fellow citizens to pass a constitutional amendment sanctioning same-sex marriage. That's what the amendment process is for! When judges short-circuit that process, we are no longer a free people who govern ourselves.

Posted by: lyn3 | December 27, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

bilmul83 wrote: "I will be 90 years old this coming year. I have seen , and been saddened, by the step by step destruction of the morals of our country, Abortin, Pornography, Religion excummunicated from Public life, Euthanasia,free love, sodomy,ignore our Constitution, and now the attempt to destroy the strongest pillar of any society, that of Marriage."

Congratulations on seeing 9 decades. It's a shame that those 9 decades didn't impart wisdom instead of self-righteous judgement. Your statement is based on fear, stereotype, and a yearning for the "June & Ward Cleaver" good old days of traditional values that never exsited anywhere except on TV. Your comment just makes you sound bitter, old, fearful, and judgemental.

It's interesting in the debate about gay marriage and Don't Ask, Don't Tell that the opposition is primarily led by by very, very old Senators and religious leaders. It's time to hand over the reigns of leadership to a new generation that doesn't fear change and diversity. Your generation has bequeathed your grandkids a nation that is on track to second-power status, a wrecked economy, and a generation of bigotry (opposition to inter-racial marriage, equal rights, etc.) and use of government to enforce religious beliefs.

Your pearls of wisdom would have greater credibility if your generation had managed the affairs of this nation competently, but you didn't. So it's time to fade into the sunset and let the rest of us get busy fixing the mess that you left us.

Posted by: RufusPlimpton | December 27, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Finally people are starting to get how Obama works. Too many are confusing a lot of hoopla and bling with work and progress. We all know and loved those arm flappers who so impressed the boss while the real heavy lifting was being done by the quiet eficient ones. And to the still militant types...move on. It may not be right but it is what it is. Work on change, not on bitterness.

Posted by: skybride56 | December 27, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

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