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Posted at 7:54 PM ET, 01/18/2011

Americans don't want health-care repeal

By Eugene Robinson

It is simply not true that "the American people" want President Obama's health-care reform law repealed. House Republicans should be aware that while conservative activists may support the action they're about to take, surveys indicate that the general public clearly does not.

A new Post poll shows that 50 percent of those surveyed oppose the "Obamacare" law, while 45 percent support it. But these numbers are misleading, since The Post reports that "a quarter of those who oppose the health-care law say the legislation is faulty because it did not go far enough, not because it pushed change too far."

    In other words, one-fourth of the law's opponents believe it should have been more ambitious and far-reaching, not less so. These are people who would have liked to see single-payer universal care, or tighter regulation of insurance companies, or less restrictive language on abortion rights -- hardly positions that John Boehner and Eric Cantor would endorse. By counting them among opponents of the law, Republicans are essentially arguing that Michael Moore is on their side.

Subtracting these dyed-in-the-wool progressives from the "anti-" column leaves just 37.5 percent opposed to the health-care law. Putting the Moore crowd in the "pro-" column, where ideologically it belongs, means that 57.5 percent of Americans support what Republicans deride as a "big government takeover of health care."

So the next time somebody tries to tell you how unpopular "Obamacare" is, remember one thing: It isn't.

By Eugene Robinson  | January 18, 2011; 7:54 PM ET
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Comments

Every single survey I have seen shows the American people are not happy with the new healthcare reform law. The assertion in this article that "Americans don't want health-care repeal" is incorrect.

Posted by: stealthcupcake | January 18, 2011 8:09 PM | Report abuse

They really wanted what Lieberman helped destroy, namely the public option.

Posted by: cheneysghost | January 18, 2011 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, if you poll a bunch of liberals who subscribe to the washington post, of course you will get the outcome you desire. Every other survey done shows the American people are NOT happy with the healthcare reform law.

Posted by: stealthcupcake | January 18, 2011 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Just goes to show you that the GOP has been wasting all of their time, the only thing they seem to be suceeding at is stacking 2012 in the dems favor.

Oh yeah, there was the one accomplishment of extending the tax cuts to the wealthy, which led to the loss of an opportunity to pay down 1 trillion of the deficit which they claim to be serious about. Losers.

Posted by: joshmw | January 18, 2011 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Eugene, I call BS. The vast majority of Americans do want it repealed. Most Americans did not want it in the first place, but no one was willing to listen at the time. And even if we did, the fact remains that we can not afford it.

Posted by: MikeN3 | January 18, 2011 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Reading Is Fundamental
You can argue with any part of this article but the fact remains is that 57.5 for is more than 37.5 against.

Posted by: Ez2DoubtEveryone | January 18, 2011 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Yep, that's right Gene. You and your slanted poll are right. People love Obamacare. Please keep telling your buddies in the Obama administration that. Let's hope they are as tone-deaf as you.

Posted by: bobmoses | January 18, 2011 8:19 PM | Report abuse

stealthcupcake:

Now go back and read the Robinson's column, not just the headline.

Posted by: mikerose2 | January 18, 2011 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Demo's--sorry, but you were given a message last November. The majority of American citizens did not want this Health Care Bill that was cram'ed down our throats. Now, we are going to fix it, cry if you want!

Posted by: cannonball200 | January 18, 2011 8:24 PM | Report abuse

OH YES IT IS. There. Somebody had to say it

Posted by: PeterDust | January 18, 2011 8:25 PM | Report abuse

LOL!!!! Funniest article yet by the radical left-winger Eugene Robinson. I guess you didn't get the message from the mid-term spanking so let me remind you Eugene - REPEAL ODUMBACARE NOW and YES IT IS UNPOPULAR with normal, everyday, freedom loving productive Americans.

Posted by: NO-bama | January 18, 2011 8:27 PM | Report abuse

The bottom line is most Americans think the new healthcare law sucks.

That's the bottom line.

You can take poll after poll after poll in an attempt to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

The fact remains. Nancy Pelosi is no longer Speaker because most Americans think the new healthcare law sucks.

Posted by: underhi2p | January 18, 2011 8:30 PM | Report abuse

PS Eugene, a slanted WaPO poll doesn't mean anything. Everybody nows that WaPo is a leftist paper so it should concern you that 50% of the WaPo readers don't like Odumbacare.

Posted by: NO-bama | January 18, 2011 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Obama sold his soul to Satan. Satan gets Osatancare and Obama gets 72 virgins.

Posted by: pnknjk | January 18, 2011 8:33 PM | Report abuse

This is a surprise? I bet most Americans would be polled as wanting a free car and a steak dinner, too. What I'd be interested in seeing is a poll among people who would actually be footing the bill for it.

Posted by: bblackmoor | January 18, 2011 8:34 PM | Report abuse

This is completely false, unless you include Americans who have no idea what is trying to be done to them. But I don't care whether anyone wants it or not. The government had NO RIGHT to give me something I totally oppose. If they tell me what kind of medical procedures I have to use, I will decline all of it, and if necessary die rather than use it. (My work in 20 countries taught me that what we have here is among the worst in the world.) I demand my own choice which no one has permission void.

Posted by: marvinlzinn | January 18, 2011 8:37 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Post is part of the venerable progressive One Party Media.

At least this writing above is an "opinion piece". Anyone, such as Eugene Robinson, is welcome to weigh in in support of his guy (in this case Barrack Obama and his Big Spending, Big Government, Big Regulation, Big Redistribution, Big Central Government and Big "Progressive and Reform" hammer agaínst the "imperfections" of our U.S. Constitution (and the limits it imposed on Progressives) and in our Heritage of "inequality", "unfairness" and "greed".)

A Federal Government grab of 16% of the economy with ObamaCare and "Healthcare" as a RIGHT; and the forcing of citizens to buy a product as a condition of being a citizen or subject to penalties is OK with Mr. Robinson. Mr. Robinson has the decency to label his opinion as an opinion - What normally is irritating about the Washington Post is that it passes opinion and support of the One Party system as "news".

There is a price to pay for the many years of promoting the Progressive Agenda and that is that now that the New Media offers and alternative there is a consequence - DECLINING READERSHIP and down the line possibly bankruptcy.


Tony Dolz
California

Posted by: voxprivat | January 18, 2011 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Robinson is absolutely right interpreting these polls this way. Republicans essentially do the bidding for powerful special interests in this country - corporations and the wealthy, at the expence of the working American families - the middle class. Health care corporations are crippling America economically - the GOP knows this - and they still push this reckless disregard for the real wishes of the American people.

Posted by: truthseeker13 | January 18, 2011 8:40 PM | Report abuse

It's pretty insulting to think just after the November elections the American people are so easily influenced by Obama, the Democrats and the MSM to believe they have turned on a dime for health care. We're well aware on how the polls are worded and how the Democrats are over polled to get the desired results they want. If you think the people have changed so soon how they feel about health care then you also share in the assumption that the people are so stupid. That is what your saying isn't it. The people are so stupid that they have allowed the propaganda of Obama and the Democrats to change how we feel about government takeover. It's going to take more then Obama's propaganda about moving forward. This is still America. The Democrats didn't win this last election and we still have the liberties we were born with. We don't want a third world country. We don't share in the socialist mentally of Obama and United Way is one of the ways we spread the wealth around. We don't have to change our fundamentals and transform this country to socialism in order for Obama and Michelle to be proud of this country. Health care is the first step in changing how we think and the road to socialism, but you know that don't you.

Posted by: houstonian | January 18, 2011 8:40 PM | Report abuse

The real poll should be on how many of those opposed even have a basic understanding of the healthcare bill? They have been told it's evil so by God it must be true. Republicans have no interest in fixing health care, they pocket too much money from the pharmaceuticals to do that. Their main goal is to make sure Obama fails even at the expense of the American people and even it if adds to the deficit which they so loudly claim to be the most important issue today. In reality the most important issue for Republicans is to make Obama fail so they can get back in power.

Posted by: th12 | January 18, 2011 8:41 PM | Report abuse

The economy was tanking long before any debate on health care reform. The spanking Dems took in Nov. was more about the state of the economy, jobs, declining housing prices, the debt, and bank bailouts (which if you haven;t read have been paid back with interest). The GOP agenda held this country hostage for tax cuts, which we all know does nothing to create jobs and increases the debt. They sat on the sidelines amenable to nothing while the country was in a tailspin in hopes of failure to take back congress and the WH. They miscalculated for all indications are we are getting out of the woods. The public needs to get this right - it was all about putting hands in the til, nothing more - nothing less. Gene is right on the money and understands the pulse of the populous.

Posted by: jameo1 | January 18, 2011 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Robinson actually uses the wrong poll numbers, as do repeal advocates, by asking about whether people favor the law. This is a different question than whether people favor repealing the law. A recent AP poll indicates that only 30% favor repeal. He actually makes his argument weaker by using the numbers he uses.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ib4b8GeUQ6tzawgX4Ptp7DASeybg?docId=c488987cd8104d8699718920f8dfcfdb

Posted by: pdoc | January 18, 2011 8:43 PM | Report abuse

My father’s generation, after a terrible decade of depression, went to world war.

“No! I’m not willing to pay any taxes to help others get health care insurance.”

Boy, have we come a long way (in the wrong direction) from the Band of Brothers that sacrificed some of its own lives and limbs and freedom for others who weren’t even Americans, the generation that rationed itself, spent 120% of its GDP in one year, didn’t go broke and instead made itself worthy to be the leader of the free world. A long way indeed.

Posted by: robertcogan | January 18, 2011 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Not to torpedo this guy but in Missouri,in the August primaries,a Proposition on the ballot was"Do you want to participate in Pres Obama's National Health Care Program".70% of Missourians voted NO,they don't want ObamaCare.Mr Obama only lost here in November,2008 by 4300 votes so this was a bipartisan voters decision.

Posted by: RIDGERUNNER5 | January 18, 2011 8:48 PM | Report abuse

The author of this article seems like a nice guy and I don't want to slam him personally. However, this is the same tactic the left has used for decades. Trying to make people feel like they are the outcasts because they aren't among the so-called majority.

Three problems.

1.Tricky wording does not change the fact that all scientific polls show that the majority of Americans do not want Obamacare.

2.You can make your unscientific poll say what ever you want it to.

3.Americans aren't buying it anymore. The cat is out of the bag. We know what Obama is cooking and what the press is pushing.

It's time to give it up. The left will not be able to stop the conservative shift in this Country.

Posted by: kryan74 | January 18, 2011 8:51 PM | Report abuse

The author of this article seems like a nice guy and I don't want to slam him personally. However, this is the same tactic the left has used for decades. Trying to make people feel like they are the outcasts because they aren't among the so-called majority.

Three problems.

1.Tricky wording does not change the fact that all scientific polls show that the majority of Americans do not want Obamacare.

2.You can make your unscientific poll say what ever you want it to.

3.Americans aren't buying it anymore. The cat is out of the bag. We know what Obama is cooking and what the press is pushing.

It's time to give it up. The left will not be able to stop the conservative shift in this Country.

Posted by: kryan74 | January 18, 2011 8:52 PM | Report abuse

>>>Eugene, I call BS. The vast majority of Americans do want it repealed. Most Americans did not want it in the first place, but no one was willing to listen at the time. And even if we did, the fact remains that we can not afford it.Posted by: MikeN3 | January 18, 2011 8:17 PM>>>

I see a number of Neo-con/Repub position takes on the article so I will address the above, which is typical. When you and others say most Americans want it repealed, I don't and nor does anyone I know - in the article it explains where your take on "most Americans" comes from (its false and worked up for you to feed on) READ AGAIN.

Like "most Americans" I have no health care, so even a band-aid would be better than none. And no, we don't buy the "its too expensive" BS. You people just passed MORE tax cuts for rich people costing us hundreds of billions added to Bush's tax cuts for the rich (which made the economy go down, not up!!)

We don't buy the Repub no more debt mantra.

They back Transnational-Multimational corporations to the hilt. Guess what? These corporations are anti-American. Their manufacturing base is in China and they still call themselves American to pick up US$ cash. They outsource to kill US jobs and Republicans support them. They are taxed zero on profit outside the USA. They are allowed tax free offshore accounts to scam money that should be going to the USA.

Get real - if you want to decrease the debt - start with the rich and your corporations many of whom pay no taxes at all.

Posted by: Mnnngj | January 18, 2011 8:53 PM | Report abuse

For the record , I am an American and I want the health care bill repealed.

Posted by: ejhickey | January 18, 2011 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Read the Polling Data StealthCupcake.

http://www.pollingreport.com/

Posted by: ericinpa1 | January 18, 2011 8:54 PM | Report abuse

You know what I believe?

Most Americans want to see the polls both sides site in this article and comments.

From what I see; most Americans would rather state opinion rather than take the time to really see the facts.

Posted by: metoo5 | January 18, 2011 8:55 PM | Report abuse

If most Americans supported ObamaCare, then why did Obama have to jam it down his own party's throat by twisting arms and making back room deals? When a President has the support of the electorate and his party controlling both Houses, this doesn't happen.

Posted by: gregoryjnovak | January 18, 2011 8:55 PM | Report abuse

The author of this article seems like a nice guy and I don't want to slam him personally. However, this is the same tactic the left has used for decades. Trying to make people feel like they are the outcasts because they aren't among the so-called majority.

Three problems.

1.Tricky wording does not change the fact that all scientific polls show that the majority of Americans do not want Obamacare.

2.You can make your unscientific poll say what ever you want it to.

3.Americans aren't buying it anymore. The cat is out of the bag. We know what Obama is cooking and what the press is pushing.

It's time to give it up. The left will not be able to stop the conservative shift in this Country.

Posted by: kryan74 | January 18, 2011 8:55 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see a poll that only counts opposition to ACA when people can explain why they oppose it. And yelling "why do you hate our freedoms" does not count as an explanation.

Posted by: rgray | January 18, 2011 8:56 PM | Report abuse

eugene robinson..........are your serious.
maybe you should read the poles....gallup. and others......americans are against this healthcare called obamacare. i do wonder why the facts dont get in this article. but i can see another obama lover trying to sway and blur the facts, like the king.

lets get rid of healthcare and save this nation from more future debt.

read the poles....from both sides.

Posted by: bmaaaa3 | January 18, 2011 8:56 PM | Report abuse

The majority of Americans ARE opposed to big government take over of healthcare.

The issue isn't the polling -- it's the fact that Obama's health care bill is not a government take over of healthcare, so what people are opposed to didn't actually happen.

If you ask people if they are in favor of people being denied coverage if they have preexisting conditions, they will say no. If you ask whether insurance carriers should be able to cut them off when they get sick, they will say no. If you ask them if they think all of us should have to pay for uninsured people who show up at emergency rooms instead of getting their own health insurance, they would say no. If you tell them that's what's in the Obama health care bill, they would be surprised.

The Democrats need to explain what it is: health insurance reform. Everyone is for that.

Posted by: fmjk | January 18, 2011 9:00 PM | Report abuse

The majority of Americans ARE opposed to big government take over of healthcare.

The issue isn't the polling -- it's the fact that Obama's health care bill is not a government take over of healthcare, so what people are opposed to didn't actually happen.

If you ask people if they are in favor of people being denied coverage if they have preexisting conditions, they will say no. If you ask whether insurance carriers should be able to cut them off when they get sick, they will say no. If you ask them if they think all of us should have to pay for uninsured people who show up at emergency rooms instead of getting their own health insurance, they would say no. If you tell them that's what's in the Obama health care bill, they would be surprised.

The Democrats need to explain what it is: health insurance reform. Everyone is for that.

Posted by: fmjk | January 18, 2011 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Read the Polling Data StealthCupcake.

http://www.pollingreport.com/

Posted by: ericinpa1 | January 18, 2011 9:02 PM | Report abuse

It is very clear from the blogs that the polls used are flawed. Polls can be devised such that they clearly reveal who votes for what and why.

Posted by: EarlC | January 18, 2011 9:02 PM | Report abuse

The simple fact is that the employer-insurance based model is a colossal failure. Most people do not have their choice of doctor and when medical costs are the #2 cause of personal bankruptsy, there is a problem. We can and should do better. If the GOP has their way, more avg people would go into the poorhouse so that executives and stockholders of the insurance industry, big pharma, hospitals and make more money on the backs of the Avg American.

Posted by: dwdave67 | January 18, 2011 9:04 PM | Report abuse

America opposes obamacare as a matter of constitutionality, not polls. We live under a republic not a democracy. If 99% of americans wanted to take away the rights of other americans, or even one american, the government could not, and should not, do it. Obamacare forces people to get insurance by punishment of taxes, aka jailtime if you don't pay, aka, physical force. They say it is the government's right because the decision made by one individual, to not get healthcare, effects the whole. Now take your poll and ask america how many of them want to live under a government with that power. Physical force to control the behavior of the individual, in order to better the whole.

Posted by: drahcirzelaznog | January 18, 2011 9:05 PM | Report abuse

If most Americans supported ObamaCare, then why did Obama have to jam it down his own party's throat by twisting arms and making back room deals? When a President has the support of the electorate and his party controlling both Houses, this doesn't happen.
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The electorate is imbecilic and easily led astray. Of course, it begs the question: if the electorate want to be thrown off a cliff because an evil mortician, who wants the extra business, tells the electorate they must jump in order to save their lives, should a moral politician try to stop them even when they try to hurt him for trying?

Posted by: rgray | January 18, 2011 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Here's a vote for repeal. Count it.

Posted by: CaliforniaSpeaks | January 18, 2011 9:09 PM | Report abuse

We need the obamacare dealt with as soon as possible. It is destroying one system to install his system. There may be irrepairable damage now. The question still looms. The same one that loomed when it was passed. How to pay for it. There is no way to pay for it, they tried double speak, and was called out for it. Show how it will be paid for, then we all can agree on it. Otherwise stop this and get on the right track and reform insurance and doctors pay. The practical things that can make a difference to the American people.

By the way, before the election it was said that if the Republicans won that it would be the voice of america against alot of what is happening in washington. Now that that has past, why do they continue to not listen.

Posted by: ccharles1 | January 18, 2011 9:12 PM | Report abuse

There is a lot of passion apparent on both sides of this issue. The law could be much stronger or it could be much weaker, but it is what it is at this point. I would remind the right wing conservatives who abhor the idea of "Obamacare" that the majority of the country did in fact want health care reform and probably universal health care. Obama was quite explicit in his 2008 presidential campaign that this was a high priority for his administration if he were to win... and the electorate back him decisively. That 2008 vote trumps all the partisan polling since! The mistake that the administration and democrats have made is in not standing strong on their vote and allowing the republicans to frame the matter in a consistently negative manner.

Posted by: jbake40 | January 18, 2011 9:13 PM | Report abuse

The time has come, and the technology exists to allow individual families to opt in and out of these programs. So everyone who would like to opt out of the follow please raise your hand:

1. Guaranteed Coverage for Pre-existing Conditions
2. Coverage for dependent children until age 26
3. Tax credits for small business
4. Caps on rates of premium increases

What, no hands!

Posted by: bobp2 | January 18, 2011 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Robinson, if Americans want Obamacare, why did they vote so many Republicans into office?

Posted by: MajorMike | January 18, 2011 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Robinson, if Americans want Obamacare, why did they vote so many Republicans into office?

Posted by: MajorMike | January 18, 2011 9:16 PM | Report abuse
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Obama and the Democrats were voted into office to fix the HC debacle in this country in 2008. Remember that? The GOP were successful in framing the debate after the HC law was passed...They apparently want to have the freedom of not being responsible so those 30 million uninsured can just send the bill to the tax payer when they go to the emergency room for care.

Posted by: dwdave67 | January 18, 2011 9:22 PM | Report abuse

The electorate is imbecilic and easily led astray.

Posted by: rgray | January 18, 2011 9:06 PM |

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Typical condescension by the left. Then again, it would explain Obama's election.

Posted by: SupportAndDefendTheConstitution | January 18, 2011 9:23 PM | Report abuse

There is no way to pay for it, they tried double speak, and was called out for it. Show how it will be paid for, then we all can agree on it
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Hmmm, if only there were some sort of non-partisan office tasked with providing budget projections and answering this sort of question so that we don't have to fumble around in fiscal darkness. Some sort of congressional budget office or something.

Posted by: rgray | January 18, 2011 9:25 PM | Report abuse

It does not matter what the vast majority of
Americans do or do not want. We get the best government money can buy. We are not lobbyists and thus cannot have the laws written to benefit the average person. The laws are written by the lobbyists. Until we get campaign finance reform it won't matter a bit who is in office, it will all be the same. The health care reform was written with the help of drug and insurance companies. What value added is the insurance industry to our health care system? Are we the only country in the world that has tied health care to employers?

Posted by: twinofsue | January 18, 2011 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Eugene but it took approximately ten seconds for mor than 50% of the posters on here to see through your flimsy argument using a dubious poll. Both gallup and rasmussen (the only pollsters I trust) identify that the majority of the electorate want Obamacare repealed because it will add to the deficit.

Citing other polls such as those from Fox News (one in 10 support the bill) or WaPo (see article) only tend to show the political bias of the author.

I tried a poll with ten of my friends. I asked only 2 questions;

1) Do you believe everyone should have Health Care? 10 voted yes.
2) Do you want to pay extra so that everyone can have Health Care? 8 voted No.

Go figure.

Posted by: mckenna7 | January 18, 2011 9:26 PM | Report abuse

All the new polls taken in the last two weeks have had Obama Cares more popular. I think the programs that started January 1, such as the donut hole fix for Medicare and the new clinics have influenced people. Almost everyone knows someone with a cancer or past cancer that can not get insurance. If you are not one of those, wait. You'll get fired and find out. I have a job, but I twenty years ago I had to buy COBRA insurance for six months. I remember.

Posted by: ay00 | January 18, 2011 9:33 PM | Report abuse

The Republican position is an apologia for disease, pain, malaise, and death. Little wonder such words as "kill" are abhorred by its proponents.

Posted by: Martial | January 18, 2011 9:34 PM | Report abuse

If you want proof of how utterly idiotic the right-wing is and can be, consider that they describe this columnist as "radical" and "left-wing" and say the Post skewed the results because it's "liberal." If the Post is liberal, tell it to the 4,000+ Americans who have died in Iraq because the Post bought into war crimes.

Posted by: TruthtoPower4 | January 18, 2011 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2010 is not the job-killing, liberty depriving law that the GOP makes it out to be. It is complex. Democrats could have done a better job describing and explaining the Act to the public. But what is done is done. Reining in Health Insurance Companies is salutary. Only Government is able to regulate. It simply takes the will to do it and a reason to do it. Reason enough is that health "insurance" that helps to fund health "care" is for-profit and thus my employer's premium dollars to keep me healthy go to a company that has mixed emotions about the money. They love that they get to keep the money when I don't need as much "care" as I may have needed. They hate the part when I get sick. They'd be pleased as punch to pay little amounts and cut me off just as I am about to need big amounts. That's like Lucy of Peanuts fame pulling the football away just as Charlie Brown is about to kick it. Health Insurance Companies are in business to make money. They are publicly-held stock companies bound and determined to maximize profits. And if that means your hernia operation or your neighbor's heart transplant get canceled on account of their individual costs may drive the stock price down or deprive the CEO of his third red Mazaratti, then there will be no health care. That's why "The American People" that GOP members of Congress so often refer to, who "hate" Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2010, are precisely those lobbyists who left a sack of gold for the Senator or Representative at his office along with a demand that there be a vote against health care and against health insurance reform.

Posted by: BlueTwo1 | January 18, 2011 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Eugene Robinson is such a partisan shill it's almost funny.

@BlueTwo1 posting above -- what are you trying to tell us? That this healthcare-law debacle is NOT the bureaucratic nightmare we all know it is? Why? Because you say so ... ?!

That's a lot of words you posted there, basically saying "Democrats good Republicans bad."

You unconditional apologists really are full of it.

Posted by: finsher771 | January 18, 2011 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Flip a coin much? .... Oops. It seems to have landed on it's thin edge, ..... stuck in the 'dirt'.

Posted by: deepthroat21 | January 18, 2011 10:21 PM | Report abuse


"I be pimpin' for Barry."

E. ROBINSON

Posted by: screwjob23 | January 18, 2011 10:21 PM | Report abuse


Tuesday, January 18, 2011

"Republicans officially assumed control of the U.S. House of Representatives this month, and voters now trust the GOP more than Democrats on all 10 of the most important issues regularly surveyed by Rasmussen Reports including the economy, health care, taxes and national security."

Posted by: screwjob23 | January 18, 2011 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Pretty funny how all the rightwingers love polls that are in their favor, but let polls refute their argument and those polls are all fake. You losers can't have it both ways. In all, the majority of Americans, now that they can add their kids back onto their coverage, now that they can't be dropped from coverage for being sick, that they can get coverage even with pre-existing considtions, realized that the repubs lied all along and do like the bill. There can be changes made-Dems even said that while passing the bill. But the repubs want only repeal with no thought of what will take its place. Why not. Repubs say all kinds of things, but have yet to offer anything. Where are all the cuts going to come from that they promised? Why did they add to the deficit they swore to reduce? Haven't seen hide nor hair of any cuts yet. Where are all the jobs? How are they going to dreate them? Not one repub has offered anything concrete, not only since taking over two weeks ago, but since the election. Nothing, nada, zip. Dare any rightie to show me something real. Six years of complete control in DC and two tax cuts and no jobs, Rich folks got richer, middle class barely keeping its head above water. Spare me just how much the repubs are going to help this country and I won't offer to sell you a bridge in Brooklyn.

Posted by: mikel7 | January 18, 2011 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Rasmussen Poll: 75% want Barry's H.C. insurance scam either repealed or changed.

Gallup Poll in 2009, "More Americans “Pro-Life” Than “Pro-Choice” for First Time"

Robinson, your "less restrictive language on abortion rights" can only be a Barry poll.

Posted by: jacquelynwoods | January 18, 2011 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Once again, Gene, your clear statement of facts has brought the rabid right posters out of the woodwork, parroting their usual nonsense about "...crammed down our throats." They still insist that this time around voters rose up in a Republican resurgence (after being so soundly defeated in 2008) to refute the "big government take-over" of health care. They just cannot accept or understand that the 2010 election was decided by the vast numbers of liberals and independents who DIDN'T turn out to support a party and an administration that they felt had repeatedly caved in to the Party of NO. If the President and his people had fought hard for the Public Option, instead of allowing the foot-dragging Baucus-Grassley dog-and-pony show, and had not acceded to the watering down of the bill to its present malodorous form (all in an effort to court Republicans who NEVER INTENDED to support it under any circumstances), there would have have been a very different result in November. If the President had proven to be the progressive reformer we thought we were electing, we (especially the young folks) would have turned out in droves to support his initiatives, even in an off-year election.
But there is no public option, Guantanamo is still there, the megabanks are still calling the shots in his appointments of economic advisors, the fatcats still have their taxcuts, and a host of other disappointments (particularly the sell-outs by so-called Blue Dog Senators) sapped the energy of the Democratic base. If Mr. Obama gets his groove back, and remembers why we sent him to the White House, the GOP will be sent home in 2012 with its tail between its legs.
Regardless of its flaws, however, "Obamacare" will not be repealed, and anyone who believes that it will is due for a disappointment of his/her own. If Boehner and company think they can give back to the insurance industry their license to steal, they are mistaken. But, they already know that--this is all just theatre for the TPers. And so it goes.

Posted by: sailorashore | January 18, 2011 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Robinson, is a Marxist hack. Who is all things Obama. All the time.

And like all liberals, offers nothing to our great country. Unless it comes in the form of destruction.

Posted by: Defund_NPR | January 18, 2011 10:48 PM | Report abuse

The scapegoater is playing with the stats again to support his Messiah.
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 55% of Likely Voters favor repeal of the health care law, while 40% oppose repeal. Just 40% Strongly Favor repeal, matching the lowest level found since the health care bill became law. Thirty percent (30%) Strongly Oppose repeal. (To see survey question wording, click here.)
The House of Representatives is expected to vote on repeal of the law this week. Tomorrow morning (Tuesday), Scott Rasmussen will provide a video overview of public opinion on the topic for Platinum Members. Later, he will host a chat to discuss the issue with members.
Sixty percent (60%) of voters say the legislation will likely increase the federal deficit, while just 17% say it will reduce the deficit. Another 13% believe the law will have no impact on the deficit. Since the laws passage, the number of voters that expect the plan to increase the deficit has ranged from 51% to 63%.
Fifty-eight percent (58%) expect the cost of health care to go up under the new plan, which has also remained steady since the law's passage. Only 13% expect the cost of care to decrease under the plan while 22% say health care costs will remain about the same as they are now.
When it comes to quality of care, 50% say it will get worse under the new plan. That number has also shifted little since the plan's passage. Twenty-one percent (21%) say the quality of care will get better, while 24% say it will remain about the same.

Posted by: LETFREEDOMRING2 | January 18, 2011 10:49 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting how the wingnuts react to a poll that contradicts what Fox News has ordered them to believe. They simply claim the poll is rigged without explaining why.

The only explanation offered is that because the poll came from an objective news source. i.e., one not controlled by the Republican Party, the poll can't be taken seriously.

Posted by: Miss_Fedelm | January 18, 2011 11:04 PM | Report abuse

I don't usually jump in to comment on something I've written, but looking at this string I see a couple of points that need to be clarified. First, it's a free country so anyone can try to impugn the integrity of The Post's polling, but good luck with that. Check out the track record. Ask a few avowedly Republican pollsters, if you like. You will find that there is no "liberal bias" in our polling, and that we usually get it right. Second, of those who disapprove of the health care law -- including those who believe it doesn't go far enough -- about a third favor a partial repeal and nearly another third favor a wait-and-see approach before doing anything. That leaves a third (of opponents) who favor complete repeal, which is what the GOP is trying to do. Of total respondents -- those who don't like the law, those who do like it, and the few who have no opinion -- only about 17 percent favor complete repeal. Maybe other polls will come up with different results. A poll is a snapshot of public opinion -- and this is where we are right now.

Posted by: Eugene_Robinson | January 18, 2011 11:05 PM | Report abuse


"We are completely in the bag for Barry the incompetent boob Obama and publish our own push polls to shill for Barry and sell newspapers."

Your Editorial Staff

Posted by: screwjob23 | January 18, 2011 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Eugene_Robinson,

I don't usually jump in to comment on something I've written, but looking at this string I see a couple of points that need to be clarified. First, it's a free country so anyone can try to impugn the integrity of The Post's polling, but good luck with that. Check out the track record. Ask a few avowedly Republican pollsters, if you like. You will find that there is no "liberal bias" in our polling, and that we usually get it right. Second, of those who disapprove of the health care law -- including those who believe it doesn't go far enough -- about a third favor a partial repeal and nearly another third favor a wait-and-see approach before doing anything. That leaves a third (of opponents) who favor complete repeal, which is what the GOP is trying to do. Of total respondents -- those who don't like the law, those who do like it, and the few who have no opinion -- only about 17 percent favor complete repeal. Maybe other polls will come up with different results. A poll is a snapshot of public opinion -- and this is where we are right now.

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Glad that you have jumped in because you need to answer how Barry's H.C. insurance scam which requires all Americans to be mandated to pay for genocide of the unborn could ever be considered "less restrictive language on abortion rights".

Please explain precisely what you asked those you polled and please provide what the answers were.

Thanks!

Posted by: jacquelynwoods | January 18, 2011 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who has seen the government handle the Post Office, Amtrak, SS disability, SS, Medicare, Medicaid, Va hospitals will tell you that the government is not managed well enough to take care of Americas sick. Death panels will be here shortly when the money runs low for all the new people.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | January 18, 2011 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Robins, you're using a worthless WaPo poll that somehow always reflects just what your editorial board tells your pollsters to make it reflect. The REAL polls, like the Rasmussen Poll shows that 54% of voting Americans want ObmaCare repealed and replaced with a health care plan that actually reduces the cost of health care and doesn't needlessly employ 50,000 worthless SEIU bearucrats.

Posted by: mike85 | January 19, 2011 1:02 AM | Report abuse

Boehner's in a corner!
Now he has to defend why Congress has life time health and pension benefits paid for by "We The Small People"!

Next we're coming after all the soft money members of congress take with them when they retire.

Posted by: knjincvc | January 19, 2011 1:02 AM | Report abuse

75% of Americans earn less than $77,000/year.

Why should members of congress make more than 75% of Americans?

Posted by: knjincvc | January 19, 2011 1:06 AM | Report abuse

Fantasy

Posted by: RavenGodiva | January 19, 2011 1:07 AM | Report abuse

I've read much about the new health care law. It's not perfect but I DO NOT want it repealed.

Most commenters say "the American people" want it repealed. How can one person speak for over 300+ million people? And how many people actually know and understand the major tenants of the new law?

If we can't come together as a country to ensure the neediest among us have access to coverage (but the wealthiest can get bigger tax cuts) then we're all in trouble.

Posted by: skidmor | January 19, 2011 1:26 AM | Report abuse


You guys should stop complaining because, one the health care we have now isnt as good as it was supposed to be. also the law has just been signed so give it some time. so if u want to say u have the right to choose tell that to ur congress men or state official. If you do not have insurance and need one You can find full medical coverage at the lowest price search online for "Wise Health Insurance" If you have health insurance and do not care about cost just be happy about it and trust me you are not going to loose anything!

Posted by: scottmarq | January 19, 2011 1:52 AM | Report abuse

More on the high dollar job killers:

Bill Moyers

The health care industry alone has six lobbyists for every member of Congress and more than 500 of them are former Congressional staff members, according to the Public Accountability Initiative’s LittleSis database. High dollar mouth pieces spending a lot of special interest campaign money.

If you’ve been watching the Senate Finance Committee’s markup sessions, maybe you’ve noticed a woman sitting behind Committee Chairman Max Baucus. Her name is Liz Fowler.

Fowler used to work for WellPoint, the largest health insurer in the country. She was its vice president of public policy. Baucus’ office failed to mention this in the press release announcing her appointment as senior counsel in February 2008, even though it went on at length about her expertise in “health care policy.”

Now she’s working for the very committee with the most power to give her old company and the entire industry exactly what they want – higher profits – and no competition from alternative non-profit coverage that could lower costs and premiums.

A veteran of the revolving door, Fowler had a previous stint working for Senator Baucus – before her time at WellPoint. But wait, there’s more. The person who was Baucus top health advisor before he brought back Liz Fowler? Her name is Michelle Easton. And why did she leave the staff of the committee? To go to work – surprise – at a firm representing the same company for which Liz Fowler worked – WellPoint. As a lobbyist.

You can’t tell the players without a scorecard in the old Washington shell game. Lobbyist out, lobbyist in. It’s why they always win. They’ve been plowing this ground for years, but with the broad legislative agenda of the Obama White House – health care, energy, financial reform, the Employee Free Choice Act and more – the soil has never been so fertile.

The health care industry alone has six lobbyists for every member of Congress and more than 500 of them are former Congressional staff members, according to the Public Accountability Initiative’s LittleSis database.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/blog/2009/10/bill_moyers_michael_winship_in.html#more

Posted by: rheckler2002 | January 19, 2011 1:56 AM | Report abuse

Anyone supporting to repeal

* You can not be dropped due to preexisting condition

* You can not lose your coverage when changing jobs or getting laid off

* You can not be dropped when getting seriously ill

* Children CAN be on parents coverage to age 26 or when having a job

* Ending the limit of coverage

* Cost control for services and procedures

* Profit control

is outright dumb, stupid, brainless, ignorant, undereducted and brain washed


Posted by: mackiejw | January 19, 2011 1:57 AM | Report abuse

I am wondering IF neoconservatives have stopped funding the medical insurance industry? aka canceled their medical insurance?

If so have any opened up health care savings account as the neoconservative party was frequently suggesting?

If so would that not allow all of you anti ObamaCare freaks to stop complaining about
ObamaCare,save a ton of dough and be practicing what your party preaches?

Do any of you have any plans of financing your own HealthCare thus taking care of yourselves as is so often suggested of others?

You all do not need the medical insurance industry so why are you still supporting such a reckless operated system?

One more question. Did any of you all receive a refund from your medical insurance provider as a result of over charging clients? If not do any of you plan on filing a class action lawsuit? Or will you choose to do nothing and allow the industry buckets of windfall profits?

Senate Report Finds Insurers Wrongfully Charged Consumers Billions = BIG TIME CORRUPTION
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/24/AR2009062401636.html

Posted by: rheckler2002 | January 19, 2011 2:27 AM | Report abuse

You Republicans should learn to pay attention to details. Too bad you guys don't "do" nuance, we'd be a better nation if you did.

Posted by: caothien9 | January 19, 2011 3:14 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: kryan7

"1.Tricky wording does not change the fact that all scientific polls show that the majority of Americans do not want Obamacare.

2.You can make your unscientific poll say what ever you want it to."

1. The basic breakdown is that about 45% of Americans are OK with the Healthcare law as it is. Maybe not thrilled with it, but OK with it. About another 13% are unhappy with it, but want it to be even stronger. It is ludicrous to assume they would be happier with with no Healthcare bill or a less ambitious one that that the Republicans would certainly propose. That leaves only about 37% who actually support what the Republicans plan to do.

2. What grounds do you have for calling this poll "unscientific", other than it gives results you don't want to hear?

Posted by: jimwalters1 | January 19, 2011 4:00 AM | Report abuse

LOL, I always love reading articles from "The Onion"... Oh wait this is.. The Washington Post. Oooops. Thought this was a joke when I saw the headline "Americans don't want health-care repeal". I think the new title should be "Socialists don't want health-care repeal". With all due respect Mr. Robinson, how was this poll taken? and by whom? Certainly not true Americans.

Posted by: lunchmoney | January 19, 2011 4:01 AM | Report abuse

Whether 50% or 40% support it or don't support it, it's still the right thing to do. Over 40 million Americans without adequate health care is a sad, shameful state of affairs in the "greatest country on earth."

Posted by: pcarlson1 | January 19, 2011 4:21 AM | Report abuse

Whether 50% or 40% support it or don't support it, it's still the right thing to do. Over 40 million Americans without adequate health care is a sad, shameful state of affairs in the "greatest country on earth."

Posted by: pcarlson1 | January 19, 2011 4:22 AM | Report abuse

Robinson needs to get out of his nutcase leftist bubble once and awhile. Obviously the air in there is quite stale..

Posted by: wewintheylose1 | January 19, 2011 4:27 AM | Report abuse

With Obama healthcare my disabled stepfather would be paying 600 per month for insurance instead of 200 with Cobra.

It has helped millions of people and I don't want it repealed.

Posted by: astrochicks | January 19, 2011 4:37 AM | Report abuse

What else should the public expect from a liberal newspaper?

Posted by: lastword | January 19, 2011 4:38 AM | Report abuse

It really doesn't matter how many people like it or dislike it because it's unconstitional or, at least, its ridiculous enforcement mechanism is.

Posted by: andrew23boyle | January 19, 2011 5:03 AM | Report abuse

I might not be happy with the reform we got, but as someone who hasn't been able to purchase coverage because of pre-existing conditions; I prefer to keep the crappy reforms we got and work to improve it, than I am for repealing the entire bill and starting over. I haven't been able to see a doctor in over 15 years, and was optimistic about being able to in 3 years. I'm not worried though, the idiots in Congress have ZERO chance of repealing this bill. They don't have the numbers in the Senate, and they don't have the numbers in the House to override a presidential veto. All this is is a waste of time and tax-payer money to pander to their uninformed base that listens to Fox News like a sermon on Sunday mornings, and we wonder why nothing ever gets accomplished. Funny how the tea party gang screams about out of control spending, yet they love to waste our money doing things that will NEVER happen like investigating Obama's birth certificate, and repealing healthcare. When will the media drown the unintelligent out of the conversation?

Posted by: owsmokey | January 19, 2011 5:16 AM | Report abuse

One of simple secret about auto insurance is your location can affect premium pretty easily. If you have two address try both of them and see if your premium goes up and down. If you need tips on auto insurance search "Clearance Auto Insurance" it is the best place

Posted by: mariebaker18 | January 19, 2011 5:16 AM | Report abuse

Also important to note that when people are asked why they say they oppose the insurance reform law most cite fictional reasons - the same lies in the same language that has been foisted on the public by the republicon party and their propaganda machine for 2 years now. Death panels, increasing the deficit, no choices, socialist system etc. All lies.

Posted by: John1263 | January 19, 2011 5:29 AM | Report abuse

The Post is so predictable. When they are losing an argument, they customize a poll to desperately try to bolster their losing case, put on extra blinders, and turn up the volume in the liberal echo chamber.

Apparently Democrats learned nothing from the last election, and imagine better results for themselves in 2012 sticking to the same piffle that got them the heave-ho in the first place.
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Posted by: gitarre | January 19, 2011 5:51 AM | Report abuse

Eugene has a drinking problem. His support of all things Obama is known as "drinking your own bath water" or "drinking the Kool-Aid."

Posted by: Chippewa | January 19, 2011 5:55 AM | Report abuse

gene, thanks for the facts. sorry about the angry, bitter, old, racist white men (read "teabaggers") commenting here -- they have real difficulty hearing things that black folks say, and perhaps due to the complete failure of our educational system, struggle with reading things that are more than 140 characters and/or are not written in crayon, and their math "skills" are non-existent. add to that the "revelation" that their reactionary movement represents nothing more than the same old narrow slice of gun-toting, bible-thumping, apartheid-loving, white supremacists that their reactionary movement has always been. btw, does the health care law cover their needed treatment for irrational anger or is this pre-existing condition barred from coverage? keep the faith, gene. you are a much needed voice of reason.

Posted by: joeblow111 | January 19, 2011 6:25 AM | Report abuse

gene, thanks for the facts. sorry about the angry, bitter, old, racist white men (read "teabaggers") commenting here -- they have real difficulty hearing things that black folks say, and perhaps due to the complete failure of our educational system, struggle with reading things that are more than 140 characters and/or are not written in crayon, and their math "skills" are non-existent. add to that the "revelation" that their reactionary movement represents nothing more than the same old narrow slice of gun-toting, bible-thumping, apartheid-loving, white supremacists that their reactionary movement has always been. btw, does the health care law cover their needed treatment for irrational anger or is this a pre-existing condition barred from coverage? keep the faith, gene. you are a much needed voice of reason.

Posted by: joeblow111 | January 19, 2011 6:29 AM | Report abuse

The Republicans are very adept at manipulating polls to tell us what we DON'T want. However, they are exceedingly incapable of acknowledging what we DO want, and herein lies the problem: all they can do is tear down--they cannot offer something constructive to address any range of issues from economic recovery to health care. Buckle your seatbelts for a long ride through the muck of economic stagnation.....

Posted by: Cooper5 | January 19, 2011 6:42 AM | Report abuse

If this is true then the Washington Post needs to trumpet that as a headline! If you guys still have an Ombudsman then that person needs to shift into high gear. It is nothing short of misuse of survey information.

Posted by: pdurand | January 19, 2011 6:44 AM | Report abuse

LMAO!! The key word in this article is WAPO poll. The majority of Americans did NOT want the damn thing PASSED to begin with and Nov. 2010 showed that AT the POLLS !!!!

Posted by: 79USMC83 | January 19, 2011 6:47 AM | Report abuse

two questions for the teabaggers:

if the post is such a yellow rag and pulitzer prize winning mr. robinson tells only liberal lies, why do you continue to read it every single day?

missing ms. pelosi yet?

Posted by: joeblow111 | January 19, 2011 6:48 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: lunchmoney
"With all due respect Mr. Robinson, how was this poll taken? and by whom? Certainly not true Americans."

This is exactly the civility problem that has been in the news so much recently. People who disagree with you aren't "misguided", or "mistaken", or "misinformed", or even simply "wrong". They are "not true Americans", a phrase which is usually used anymore to mean "not worth listening to" and "unpatriotic", if not actually "subhuman".

Listen up, because this is important: The people who disagree with you love America, and want what is best for America. The just disagree with you on what is best for America. Please consider the opinions of those who disagree with you with humility and don't assume the worst of them.

Maybe they are wrong and you are right. Maybe (gasp) you are wrong and they are right. Maybe you and they are both wrong and the "correct" answer is something no one is talking about. Maybe there is no "correct" answer, only different balances of important values that sometimes conflict with each other.

Posted by: jimwalters1 | January 19, 2011 6:48 AM | Report abuse

National education, need I say more...

Posted by: jmounday | January 19, 2011 6:53 AM | Report abuse

Gotta love all the wingnuts crying slanted and biased polls. They agree with all the polls only when it suits them. If the Reps get it repealed I want to see Eric Cantor explain to 350,000 of the constituents in his district alone how they no longer have health care due to his vote.

Posted by: CHICO13 | January 19, 2011 6:54 AM | Report abuse

You have a segment of society that has no clue how the healthcare plans they have really pay simply because they never had to use their plans except for minor things.

The you have another segment of society that thinks this bill is for lazy people who do not work.

Todays health insurance companies are far more complicated than doing taxes. There are so many out there that it only creates confusion. All I can say is they do not pay like they used too. I pay out of pocket $6,000 yearly. Any savings people have when they retire or become disabled will be eaten up for health care.

They want to increase retirement to 70 years of age. Our congress is out of touch with the world. No one wants seniors in the workplace. There are law suits now to many companies for age discrimination and these people are a young 45- 50 years old. Our society does not respect their elders. Last but not least not everyone has a desk job. I used to work around the clock and traveled to 6 or 7 different cities a week. A pace that cannot be accomplished with an older person.

Last but not least. The presidents plan will help me and the company who insures me and other companies are to follow but if they repeal this then it will be devastating to life long hard working people in this country. And I will long for the day those who opposed it to experience what I have with these so called wonderful insurance companies they "think" they have.

Posted by: mac7 | January 19, 2011 6:54 AM | Report abuse

Robinson can skew the results anyway he wants to but the fact remains that Obama's forced insurance program does nothing to improve health care. Even if a majority of Americans wanted health care to improve (and that is not the question), the big lie is that Obamacare will accomplish that. Instead, what we have is the same health care at higher costs and less liberty.

Posted by: wantingbalance | January 19, 2011 6:57 AM | Report abuse

The fact is that most Americans are so uninformed that they don't have any idea what is in the law and cannot possibly know enough about the pros and cons to form a valid opinion. The ones who "object" to the law do so because this is what the right-wing blowhards tell them they should do. They believe the country is turning socialist or something like that, and so they blindly follow the likes of John Boner, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity, all of whom, by the way, do not have to worry about their own health care.

Posted by: HymanRoth | January 19, 2011 6:59 AM | Report abuse

Whenever righties don't like the facts, they attack the messenger, or insist of course it was a faulty poll. Taking the country as a whole, it's the hard core right wing base that reflexively doesn't want reform, no way, no how. The majority of Americans realize something needed to be done, and I think many are still unclear as to the specifics of the bill and how it affects them. But clearly, a significant number of the people who say they oppose the bill do so because it didn't go far enough. Some oppose it because they've been listening to right wing trash talk too much. Back when the healthcare reform "debate" was hurling out of control, muddied with lies and distortions, the public option polled well, yet wasn't included. The Republicans are the ones trying to ram things down our throats that people don't want or things that don't work. If you polled people on an issue by issue basis, you'd find far more Americans who support progressive causes, not conservative.

Posted by: ggwalt | January 19, 2011 7:05 AM | Report abuse

As long as Obama gives me something free, I am all for it.

Obama, my precious, Obama, my dearest, give me my "Obama money".

Where is my "Obama money"? I am, waiting - tapping my toe.

Posted by: Ruhu | January 19, 2011 7:05 AM | Report abuse

It's not going to be repealed. This is all more grandstanding and political theater by the GOP. The Dems still control the Senate and Obama is still the president. As more Americans realize what's in the bill and how it benefits them and the economy, more will approve. Deal with it and move on.

Posted by: ggwalt | January 19, 2011 7:10 AM | Report abuse

Even this WaPo shill must remember Dictator Pelosi's famous words "Elections have consequences" as she rammed a bill through the House that was unread and not understood.

If the American people have decided they made a mistake last Nov. when they clearly voted for "repeal and replace," then the Repubs will pay the price in 2012.

Still, I don't expect to see Pelosi regain the speakership two years hence; however, who expected the Pats to lose?

And Boehner hardly seems the type who would eat up his own clock in the 4th quarter.

Posted by: jayjay9 | January 19, 2011 7:12 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Robinson, you are 100% correct in your analysis. Below is a list by the The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems. It has been said that the US has the best health system. By the WHO, the US is ranked #37 behind France, Canada and many others. It's helps to know the truth!

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba
40 Brunei
41 New Zealand
42 Bahrain
43 Croatia
44 Qatar
45 Kuwait
46 Barbados
47 Thailand
48 Czech Republic
49 Malaysia
50 Poland
51 Dominican Republic
52 Tunisia
53 Jamaica
54 Venezuela
55 Albania
56 Seychelles
57 Paraguay
58 South Korea
59 Senegal
60 Philippines
61 Mexico
62 Slovakia
63 Egypt
64 Kazakhstan
65 Uruguay
66 Hungary
67 Trinidad and Tobago
68 Saint Lucia
69 Belize
70 Turkey
71 Nicaragua
72 Belarus
73 Lithuania
74 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
75 Argentina
76 Sri Lanka
77 Estonia
78 Guatemala
79 Ukraine
80 Solomon Islands
81 Algeria
82 Palau
83 Jordan
84 Mauritius
85 Grenada
86 Antigua and Barbuda
87 Libya
88 Bangladesh
89 Macedonia
90 Bosnia-Herzegovina
91 Lebanon
92 Indonesia
93 Iran
94 Bahamas
95 Panama
96 Fiji
97 Benin
98 Nauru
99 Romania
100 Saint Kitts and Nevis
101 Moldova
102 Bulgaria
103 Iraq
104 Armenia
105 Latvia
106 Yugoslavia
107 Cook Islands
108 Syria
109 Azerbaijan
110 Suriname
111 Ecuador
112 India
113 Cape Verde
114 Georgia
115 El Salvador
116 Tonga
117 Uzbekistan
118 Comoros
119 Samoa
120 Yemen
121 Niue
122 Pakistan
123 Micronesia
124 Bhutan
125 Brazil
126 Bolivia
127 Vanuatu
128 Guyana
129 Peru
130 Russia

Posted by: TruCherryHillNJ | January 19, 2011 7:31 AM | Report abuse

Eugene, what the GOP gets wrong?

Everything!!!

Posted by: dcp26851 | January 19, 2011 7:34 AM | Report abuse

There is hope for us all! If a guy like Eugene (who is totally brainwashed with the Liberal/Black-only view of the world) can get a job for years writing the slanted articles he pens, then ANYONE can make it in this world. I mean all you have to do to get a job writing for Liberal publications in this country (and there are many) is to send them a sample of the clap-trap like this article that passes their low level of rational thought, and YOU HAVE A JOB!!!

I sympathize for Eugene's parents, because he lost his mind years ago, and has been permitted to live in la-la land under the comfort of the WP which is so slanted toward the left that I fear their editorial staff building will one day fall over (ala Leaning Tower of Pisa).

It goes without saying that anyone who believes anything he writes is totally devoid of reason and has drunk too much Liberal-flavored Kool-Aid, or (more likely) is in on the take (pun-intended).

Posted by: sdansker2002 | January 19, 2011 7:39 AM | Report abuse

Mr Robinson,
I am certain that your analysis of this recent poll is totally correct. But I'm afraid you're aiming at the wrong target (no pun intended): those who oppose Heath Care Reform know perfectly well what they're doing; they just think they are and will remain on the bright side of the matter. You can only convince someone of good faith.
However, when the day comes that any of them gets sick, or loses insurance, they'll instantly change their mind.
I'm so sorry for the vile, gross and prejudiced points they raise against your opinion. But history will prove them wrong. For sure.

Posted by: WithAllDueRespectAndAppreciation | January 19, 2011 7:49 AM | Report abuse

The teabaggers' arguments, and I use that term as loosely as they do, have no facts in them at all, not one number, not one independent study.

The fact that they're protesting so vehemently tells you that they understand little and know even less.

If you teabaggers want to have a substantive argument about the future of health care, bring it. If you want to talk about Eugene Robinson's parentage, go back to your confederacy websites.

Posted by: Froomkin_fan | January 19, 2011 7:51 AM | Report abuse

"Every single survey I have seen shows the American people are not happy with the new healthcare reform law. The assertion in this article that "Americans don't want health-care repeal" is incorrect."

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Stop reading surveys only dished out by faux nooze.

Posted by: dcp26851 | January 19, 2011 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Mr Robinson, please report other polls when stating your position. Readers want balanced reporting. For example, the latest Rasmussen Reports (January 17, 2011) national telephone survey shows that 55% of Likely Voters favor repeal of the health care law, while 40% oppose repeal.

Posted by: usaf_retired | January 19, 2011 7:56 AM | Report abuse

TruCherryHillNJ |... back up a minute there pal.... WHO relies on statistics to compile its list. Knowing the reliability factor of most govrnmental statistics, I seriously question the results.

Also, note that NO nation with a population the size of, or greater than, th USA has a better health care system than the USA, even if a large segment of our population needs currently to rely on Emergency Room service.

And a note to Gene Robinson ... you're truly a foolish partisan. Your lack of objectivity is astounding.

Posted by: Hazmat77 | January 19, 2011 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Republican/conservatives have the strange notion that poor people should just lay down an die when they get sick, or can no longer feed or house their families while the rich get ever richer.
Survival of the fittest may be the law of the jungle, but it will not work with humans. Remember the French Revolution and the Russian Revolution. Don't think that can not happen here.

Posted by: jrnberrycharternet | January 19, 2011 7:57 AM | Report abuse

gene...the Pelosi-Reid-Obama healthcare plan is problematic primarily because the financing scheme used to snooker the CBO's evaluation is a verifiable MESS. It is NOT doable.

Posted by: Hazmat77 | January 19, 2011 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Gene,

Any poll by the POST has to be biased, the POST has become such a tool of the left. Yet, even your own poll shows more oppose the law than favor it. Wait until the people know what's really in it.

Death Panels are in it. They are not called "Death Panels" they are called end of life consultations. Somebody else will be making decisions for you and your family as to what is the most economical route to take. PERIOD.

the new law will also take money away from medicare for existing seniors. Not a good idea.

In addition, the new law will force additional DEBT onto states. Right now, there are only FOUR states that AREN'T is serious financial troubles.

Maybe this is why more than HALF of all states are joined in a lawsuit to have this repealled.

In a closing shot to the left. I find it humorous that a common argument from the left is that we only get our information from FOX. If that were true, why would we be on the Washingon Post website debating with you? Think about it! I know it's not what Chris Matthews tells you.

Posted by: jimbo561 | January 19, 2011 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Repeal of the health care reform bill and enough public anger over the repeal just might provide the administration with an opportunity to push for and get a single-payer insurance bill.

Wishful thinking? Probably.

Gary Brumback
www.democracypowernow.com

Posted by: garybrumback1 | January 19, 2011 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Hold on Hazmatt77; as an engineer; my job each day is to complete statistical analysis of various operations within our company to ensure profitability. The fact that the World Health Organization ranks the US as number 37 should be insulting to all Americans given that we all believe the US should be number one in every category. Many of my clients in Canada love their health system. In Canada you will not need to file for bankruptcy in order to obtain the proper medical treatment and they extended wait times reported by some is embellished as well. As one of my college professors said; don't let the facts get in the way of the argument.

Posted by: TruCherryHillNJ | January 19, 2011 8:13 AM | Report abuse

I'm an American and I don't the health care bill repealed, I want to see it converted into universal national health insurance by extending Medicare to all citizens.

I'd rather pay a 6% tax to support Medicare, which has administrative costs of only 4-5%, than a huge premium to a private insurance company with administrative costs of 17-20% and executive salaries and bonuses in the hundreds of millions.

Bring back the public option!

Posted by: Chagasman | January 19, 2011 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Robinson only those of us with good health care insurance are opposed to it. You know the 80% that are going to be screwed to help the 10% that expect others to pay their freight. Obama care is a back door way to a single payer system. The companies would rather pay the fines which are by design cheaper than the health care they pay now and dump us all into the government exchanges. Of course as usual the left wants us to all have equal care which cannot happen unless the level of care is significantly reduced in quality and availability. That is the way with the left, they never look at the unintended consequences. Of course the elitist will not be worried about such matters, that is something the proles will have to deal with. The left believes that all are created equal just that some are more equal than others.

Posted by: Pilot1 | January 19, 2011 8:20 AM | Report abuse

It appears that there are many on this forum who are against the law and would like to repeal it. They may however like some of the provisions:

1. Kids and youth can be on their parents insurance until the age of 26.

2. Kids with pre-existing conditions cannot be denied coverage, by 2014 no one can be denied coverage based on pre-existing conditions.

3. Insurance companies cannot deny you coverage on flimsy excuses once you get really sick.

4. Insurance companies must use at least 80% of the premiums for medical care, if not, they have to return the excess back to the insurance holder.

5. The law allows senior citizens to get regular check ups without copayment.

6. It closes the doughnut hole in Medicare Prescription drug coverage (passed by republicans without paying for it). This year seniors get 50% back on brand name drugs when in the doughnut hole.

7. It is paid for and reduces the deficit by over a trillion dollars over the next two decades (CBO estimate: a nonpartisan entity).

8. No lifetime limits: no one can go broke due to medical reasons.

9. Sets up a health exchange where people can shop for health insurance (insurance companies on the exchange must meet minimum standards) Check out http://www.healthcare.gov/. It is a pretty slick website that gives details about the new law and also helps you shop for health insurance.

10. Covers an additional 30 million americans, now without healthcare.

11. Provisions for cost-controls (to gradually reign in the cost of medicare).

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Perceived deficiencies:
1. Is not a single payer system (so private insurance companies are still involved in a profit making enterprise)

2. No public option to reign in the insurance companies

3. Businesses with more than 50 employees must pay towards the healthcare of its employees or pay into a general fund a nominal 'fine'

3. It requires everyone who is financially able to buy health insurance. If one is unable to pay the premium, the govt will share the burden i.e. pay a portion of the premium. If one does not have and is not willing to buy insurance, the govt will impose a non-binding penalty (nominal) to cover for future care that will undoubtably occur.

I would say, that the law is, on balance, a good one and should be allowed to be implemented fully (2014) before one contemplates repealing it.

Posted by: ns3k | January 19, 2011 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Gene: Do you know what the truth is ?

Posted by: richard36 | January 19, 2011 8:26 AM | Report abuse

They're hearing from the constituents whose family members have pre existing conditions, whose kids are out of school and cant get jobs or insurance, and small business owners who have a chance to join an alliance and keep their workers insured.

I get they're hearing plenty.

If they defund it, every person who is kicked off the rolls or denied coverage by the insurance companies should automatically get to join Medicare..

we'll have single payer yet... and republicans surely cannot stand up and face their voters and tell them they must live with no insurance at all.

Posted by: dutchess2 | January 19, 2011 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Gene: Do you know what the truth is ?

Posted by: richard36 | January 19, 2011 8:27 AM | Report abuse

I guess you didn't read the whole thing...Not being happy because it's big government and not being happy because it isn't big enough are two different things. Leave it to conservatives to ignore the nuances for their own political agenda.

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Every single survey I have seen shows the American people are not happy with the new healthcare reform law. The assertion in this article that "Americans don't want health-care repeal" is incorrect.

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Posted by: kevin_rigsby19 | January 19, 2011 8:32 AM | Report abuse

this Health Care Bill that was cram'ed down our throats
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Passing a law after a lengthy debate with majorities in both houses is how we passed pretty much every law in the history of this nation. Its not "cramming" or whatever lame talking point you are repeating. Try suggesting some improvments to the current scenario rather than making false and incendiary claims about things that didn't happen.

Posted by: bob29 | January 19, 2011 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Eugene, you can take any poll and split numbers which you do when it suits your position. But when you, Gene, have never read the bill in the first place, nor know what is says, how can you be analytical? You cannot. I have read it and know that you have never covered what changes in 4 yrs and who bears the cost then. That is because you did not bother to investigate.

Posted by: demxnomore | January 19, 2011 8:46 AM | Report abuse


Robison, you are using FAULTY logic.

When you take the people opposed to ObamaCare because it didn’t go far enough and group these with the ones that support it and say see that proves the liberal point of view, that is disingenuous.

If ObamaCare went to the Michael Moore levels of Government controlled Health Care, then many of the current supports would no longer support it. To know how many would then oppose it would require many, many question to calculate.

So all we have is the percentages for the question asked, 50% oppose ObamaCare and 45% support it.

That is ALL we have Robison and to move numbers around is inaccurate, but I doubt this matters to the liberal mindset!

Posted by: bcarte1 | January 19, 2011 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Dear Mr. Robinson: I too am an American and I hate the way we are selling ourselves down the road to ruin. I did not support the Health Care Bill. I guess an oposeing opinion is not valid with the Washington Post.
A SAD American

Posted by: jimoyler | January 19, 2011 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Unlike the GOP, Eugene is correct in his reading of the polls.

Further, I contend that the public's majority approval of the bill isn't a recent development.

Back when HCR was being debated, polls on "ObamaCare" or "Government Health Care" polled somewhat against passage. But when polls left out those Republican-engineered titles and polled on the major components of the bill - no pre-existing conditions, no recision, no lifetime limits, etc. - a majority of Americans approved of HCR.

In short, now as back during passage, Republicans' claim that a "vast majority" of American do not want the bill are bogus. In fact, nearly every major argument used by the GOP against the bill that I can recall has been bogus.

Posted by: tunkefer | January 19, 2011 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Conservatives - A suggestion: Instead of seeing a few key words, or Robinson's name then resorting to oft repeated knee jerk talking points, READ the article, consider that even though you disagree with the basic opinion, how did the writer lay out his/her hypothesis; think deeply why you disagree with your fellow American and how you could respond; is the writer a good person expressing their true opinion with which you disagree? Is it possible they are a threat to your way of life? Same for angry, knee jerk progressives.

How can you know what you are against if you don't consider or don't read the opposition.

Posted by: TedfromRichmond | January 19, 2011 8:58 AM | Report abuse

First America DID NOT VOTE to repel the law, since they did not hand the Senate to the Republicans. They voted in a mixed manner. Second if you poll the health care law effects separately, the large majority of them poll well above 50%. In addition, a 5% majority is hardly overwhelming.
The Republicans could attack the parts that are not like by many people, and thus get a health reform that America likes, they would likely even get some of their efforts through the Senate, but then again the Republicans could care less whether the Health Care bill was generally a good idea if they can win the White House and Senate by attacking it.

Posted by: Muddy_Buddy_2000 | January 19, 2011 9:10 AM | Report abuse

It all depends on how the question is phrased. When the question is not a stark yes or no, polls show that those calling for repeal are a minority (around 30%). A majority want to either keep the law but make changes (some would make it stronger), wait and see how it works, would keep it as is or are undecided. Before the bill was passed, most Americans favored a single payer option. Most American favored the idividual parts that were contained in the bill. I think that Democrats should stop letting Republicans get away with their false claims about public opinion.

Posted by: browneri | January 19, 2011 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Eugene, you are amazing. In spite of the polls numbers you are able, through superior intelligence and psychic capabilities, spin the results. The majority of we "conservatives" want healthcare reform but the current bill is not healthcare reform and threatens to cause the cost to go even higher. I support many of the points within the currrent bill but over all the bill is terrible legislation! Repeal it and start over: 1. Don't regulate insurance, regulate healthcare; 2. Work on getting the real 16M or so Americans who cannot afford healthcare a way to get healthcare -- yes maybe even by expanding Medicare to cover them; 3. DO NOT MANDATE that American's have to buy healthcare...that is not within the Constitutional right of the Federal government. 4. Eugene, learn to spin better...you are pretty obvious in your effort as being a liberal without a clue. The existing bill is bad, bad legislation..repeal it. And for our "representatives, put some thought into its replacement and for God's sake read the damn thing before you sign it.

Posted by: staterighter | January 19, 2011 9:17 AM | Report abuse

These polls about who favors or does not favor the health care reform act are maddening. I agree that the aggregate of those who don't like the act include those who favor a more robust act which includes a public option. What is missing is what aspects of the act people who are opposed don't like. Do they favor reigning in dropping or denying people with pre-existing conditions? Do they oppose letting children stay on their parents plan until age 26? Do they want insurance companies to spend less than 80 percent of their revenue on benefit payments? What exactly do they oppose? I know there is a solid core of government haters, lets say 25-30 percent that do not want any health care laws. They appear to favor a law of the jungle approach. If you are not rich and get sick-too bad for you.

Posted by: cdierd1944 | January 19, 2011 9:20 AM | Report abuse

The Obamacare bill should be repealed, rolled back to what we had prior.

What we need is a discussion on how much healthcare we can afford to provide, who we're going to provide it to, what programs already in existence will be rolled into it, and how we're going to fund it. That discussion must not be dominated by insurance companies, doctors, healthcare agencies, or anyone with a vested interest on making money in healthcare.

That discussion will, and should, take time to do it right. 6 months to a year is not an unacceptable amount of time for such a critical issue. Avoid the do it over problem with Obamacare by doing it right the first, well now, the second time.

Posted by: mhoust | January 19, 2011 9:22 AM | Report abuse

The reason that folks are against "Obamacare" is because the Repub s have done what they always do and created yet another boogie-man and it goes by the name of "Obamacare"... It would be curious to know how many people even know the name of the legislation that was passed... I'd bet it would be less than 20%...

But this stuff goes way back to the Lee Atwater days... Create the boogie-man and then demonized him...

Normal for the Repubs...

I mean, same pea-under-the-shell game that way too many Americans haven't yet figured out...

Dems and liberals should make a concerted effort to call the Repubs on this ballgame and demand at every juncture that the Repubs use the term "Affordable Care Act"... That takes the demon out of the Repubs play book...

If the Dems would do that the poll numbers would change considerably almost over night...

Bob

Posted by: bobnpvine | January 19, 2011 9:23 AM | Report abuse

First off, a poll means nothing, since you can frame questions to obtain any results you want. What manner of question framing do you think the Compost might use?
More importantly, the federal government, per the 10th Amendment, has no business dabbling in the medical industry. FDR, our first full-blown socialist president, set the wrong precedent by forcing the country down the road of an unconstitutional foray into the retirement plans of private citizens - Social Security - how's that workin' out for ya?

Posted by: ddaly7 | January 19, 2011 9:25 AM | Report abuse

lol........... Eugene Robinson are you sure you and the rest of the left-wing JOURNOLISTS at the POST didn't work for Josepf Gobbells in Germany during the 1930's.................lol

Talk about just shoving lies and misleading the American people, yep that's the POST........

REPEAL this bribe-ridden partisan HC bill or see you again in 2012........

Posted by: allenridge | January 19, 2011 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Nice try - but never trust a Liberal with a calculator, or any other technical or scientific device.

Posted by: marknelso | January 19, 2011 9:30 AM | Report abuse

I was told I have a pre-existing conditon. I want to change jobs. If I do, I will be denied health insurance. I would not believe this, but it happened to me. I do not want the Health Care Act repealed or undermined. I want a Public Option. If the Republicans are truly financially responsible, they will try to pass a Public Option.

Posted by: ubblybubbly | January 19, 2011 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Eugene, you are so full of sh_t. Maybe in your neighborhood Obamacare is popular, because most don't have insurance, but in most of america people are opposed to its mandates, cost and the debt that will arise. What poll are you talking about, the Amsterdam News poll? How can you insure 30 million more people and say that costs will go down and that our national debt will go down. Sounds like you went to PS 131 in the Bronx.

Posted by: lori9 | January 19, 2011 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Does WAPO pay this guy or is this a form of wealfare assistance for a person who needs help ? I will admit his rants get a lot of replies ! Is that why WAPO keeps him?

Posted by: mct1 | January 19, 2011 9:46 AM | Report abuse

I agree with this article. I myself am a libertarian and without a single-payer option there is no real health care reform. To see the proof of the broken state of health insurance in America one needs to look no further than the 59% hike in premiums by Blue Cross in California. As John Adams opined in the Boston massacre trial, "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."

Posted by: mish2 | January 19, 2011 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Everyone I talk to wants the same health care members of congress have. The same HC we are already paying for, if it's good enough for congress it is good enough for the rest of America.

Posted by: knjincvc | January 19, 2011 9:49 AM | Report abuse

HELLOOOOOOO! Ask yourself an important question: why do public officials so opposed to healthcare fail to disclose that important legislation, such as it, is almost always passed in need of even major reform but the actual passage of such legislation is a very important step?
Is there nothing that we fail to sleep through? Financial deregulation, mortgage fraud, allowance of unbalanced trade that enters us into a daily job loss lottery, increased corruption created by large political contributions?
Nothing, either great or calamitous, occurs without great participation by we the many, even if our greatest participation is a failure to react. Recognize how foolishly we participate and accept that better participation is solution to our problems.

Posted by: reenie10 | January 19, 2011 9:51 AM | Report abuse

I agree with this article. I myself am a libertarian and without a single-payer option there is no real health care reform. To see the proof of the broken state of health insurance in America one needs to look no further than the 59% hike in premiums by Blue Cross in California. As John Adams opined in the Boston massacre trial, "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."

Posted by: mish2 | January 19, 2011 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Eugene, you are so full of sh_t. Maybe in your neighborhood Obamacare is popular, because most don't have insurance, but in most of america people are opposed to its mandates, cost and the debt that will arise. What poll are you talking about, the Amsterdam News poll? How can you insure 30 million more people and say that costs and our national debt will go down.

Posted by: lori9 | January 19, 2011 9:53 AM | Report abuse

and, Gene, how could you miss the 17% identified as "wait and see" that were lumped together with the 50% who the article claims oppose the law??? Wait and See, to me, is closer to "let's give it the benefit of the doubt" or "let's see how it plays out" than Oppose.

Posted by: eomcmars | January 19, 2011 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Hog wash! November elections determined the direction of the 2700 page Obamacare NO ONE READ BEFORE VOTING!

Have you forgotten the bill includes reference to a civilian military? What does that contribute to health care and who pays for that boondoggle?

Jeeze. The left still whines. You lost the election Big Time. Now we can stop the out of control spending!

Posted by: greatgrandmasue | January 19, 2011 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Eugene:

You are grasping at straws here. Quite frankly the law has had the opposite effect of what it's advocates claimed it would do and it failed to address some of the causes of high costs of Health care.

Posted by: werehawk | January 19, 2011 10:09 AM | Report abuse

And what about the over 250 unions that were exempted from participating in Obamacare if it is so great?

Is that even fair?

How about the government workers who enjoy the best healthcare coverage in the world, who is exempted from participating?

Are they part of your poll?

Obamacare sucks. It costs too much. We can't afford more socialism. How many socialist countries in the world are bankrupt, about bankrupt or have been bailed out becaues their freebie giveaway is destroying their nation?

Grow up hippies. The fun trip is over. Pay cash for medical treatment. It will ower the cost for all.

Posted by: greatgrandmasue | January 19, 2011 10:09 AM | Report abuse

ubblybubbly wrote:

I was told I have a pre-existing conditon. I want to change jobs. If I do, I will be denied health insurance. I would not believe this, but it happened to me. I do not want the Health Care Act repealed or undermined. I want a Public Option. If the Republicans are truly financially responsible, they will try to pass a Public Option.
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ubblybubbly, Thanks for admitting that the DEMS weren't serious.

Posted by: susantodd | January 19, 2011 10:34 AM | Report abuse

I note a couple of right wingers could not resist throwing in racism which connects to health care how? Thirty percent of the American people want the act repealed; another 20% preferred universal health care but consider the health care bill better than no bill. It is a complex bill with many provisions and almost everyone would have preferred something done differently - the thing is there is no agreement on that. The Republicans need to quit lyin and it very troubling that the very name of thier repeal bill contains a lie, according to the Congressional Budget Office, thier own figures in other words.

Posted by: withersb | January 19, 2011 10:40 AM | Report abuse

The Republicans "used" CBO numbers to say that health care reform killed jobs. AP did the fact check here: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hWnkH20Q0dmGIb77CFsITUksX0QQ?docId=39a41aa95358439baf11055baa49aabf

I am citing not to argue this particular point but to show Republicans trust the non-partisan CBO to the point of using them for their talking points. Rasmussen recently polled on whether repeal increased or decreased the deficit.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/platinum/political_tracking_crosstabs/january_2011/crosstabs_health_care_system_january_11_12_2011

The difference between Republicans and Democrats is stark. Republicans by a 73/11 margin stated that repealing the bill would decrease the deficit over keeping the bill as implemented. Democrats were a 15/61 the other way.

The non-partisan CBO stated that repealing the health care bill would increase the deficit by $130 billion between 2012 and 2019.

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/120xx/doc12040/01-06-PPACA_Repeal.pdf

H.R. 2 has no cut go or pay go provisions to pay for the deficit it's causing --contrary to the promises made by the Republicans -- that they would do so for EVERY bill in the House. Furthermore, we see why the election went the way it did. Republican voters were lied to. But as Gene noted this is changing. Here's why from my personal experience.

When I signed up for health care for 2011 I noticed our mental health provider changed and I called up H.R. to ask why. They said that they needed to do that because our previous coverage was inadequate under the new law.

Last December I received a letter from my health insurance company that when my daughter turned 19 she would be dropped from my coverage unless I proved that she was going to college. I called up H.R. again and they said that that letter should not have gone out and they had receieved a number of complaints and under health care reform my daughter would stay on my plan.

As people experience health care reform for themselves the lies promulgated by the Republicans will get harder and harder to make.

Posted by: rblinne | January 19, 2011 10:44 AM | Report abuse

This is so ridiculously obvious it is astounding the Republicans would even try to use this bogus talking point. Yet sure enough they do and sure enough it is reported without the vital caveat Gene mentions, nine out of ten times, by reporters who are either lazy, inept or slanted.

Isn't it more telling that the GOP leaders would use this lie, knowing it to be spurious, to support this twisted campaign? This proves they have no moral compass: they can blithely spew any lie that supports their agenda in their ends-justifies-the-means world. And if they know, as they must, that 57% of the people support this healthcare reform AS A MINIMUM, what could possibly motivate these elected leaders to ignore something that the almighty voters want?

Perhaps you, and the purported investigative reporters of the Post (which has not hit a journalistic home run in decades) could look into the hideously corrupt health care industry and it's relationship, surely monetary, to the contrary GOP leadership. Perhaps you could answer the question of what could motivate them to defy the will of the voters? At the same time you could ask why they think they could hide behind this lie with impunity. Does the right wing echo chamber really cultivate enough voting power to give them this confidence/arrogance/gall/corruption? One wonders if legitimate news organizations have enough integrity and power to challenge these abuses? The press is the only check left after these lying, bought-and-paid for weasels have taken over the House, nearly taken the Senate, stacked the Supreme Court and strangled the President with lies, obstruction and brick wall flexibility.

It is worse now than even the Vietnam era, in terms of insurrection and revolution. Then we believed corrupt individuals with motivation twisted by the Cold War and crude, graft-driven capitalism to be at the root of the war. It snowballed into class/societal/race warfare as our leaders stubbornly resisted society's growing disapproval. But even then we believed the founding fathers had created a brilliant Utopia that had been violated, not that there was any problem with the system.

But now the bald-faced lies from Boehner et al, fueled by the creeping nihilism of the tea party; the greed-motivated cynicism of the neocons, and the tag-along stupidity of the true believers who swallow Fox News/Limbaugh/Beck/Hannity/etc., have driven us to a point near no return.

For the first time in my life, I can imagine the candle of liberty snuffed out by the cold poltroons running the House who casually and carelessly use such a blatant "big lie" for their own corrupt ends. Without a competent press to fight these lies they will remain unchallenged and the truth they deny will be hidden.

As truthful reporting diminishes, writers like Gene become more crucial. When reporting a clear and simply disproven lies becomes a rarity, the last safeguard for American Democracy, our free press, parades how weak it has become.

Posted by: joebanks | January 19, 2011 10:49 AM | Report abuse

The Republicans "used" CBO numbers to say that health care reform killed jobs. AP did the fact check here: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hWnkH20Q0dmGIb77CFsITUksX0QQ?docId=39a41aa95358439baf11055baa49aabf

I am citing not to argue this particular point but to show Republicans trust the non-partisan CBO to the point of using them for their talking points. Rasmussen recently polled on whether repeal increased or decreased the deficit.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/platinum/political_tracking_crosstabs/january_2011/crosstabs_health_care_system_january_11_12_2011

The difference between Republicans and Democrats is stark. Republicans by a 73/11 margin stated that repealing the bill would decrease the deficit over keeping the bill as implemented. Democrats were a 15/61 the other way.

The non-partisan CBO stated that repealing the health care bill would increase the deficit by $130 billion between 2012 and 2019.

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/120xx/doc12040/01-06-PPACA_Repeal.pdf

H.R. 2 has no cut go or pay go provisions to pay for the deficit it's causing --contrary to the promises made by the Republicans -- that they would do so for EVERY bill in the House. Furthermore, we see why the election went the way it did. Republican voters were lied to. But as Gene noted this is changing. Here's why from my personal experience.

When I signed up for health care for 2011 I noticed our mental health provider changed and I called up H.R. to ask why. They said that they needed to do that because our previous coverage was inadequate under the new law.

Last December I received a letter from my health insurance company that when my daughter turned 19 she would be dropped from my coverage unless I proved that she was going to college. I called up H.R. again and they said that that letter should not have gone out and they had receieved a number of complaints and under health care reform my daughter would stay on my plan.

As people experience health care reform for themselves the lies promulgated by the Republicans will get harder and harder to make.

Posted by: rblinne | January 19, 2011 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Aaah Eugene. In every article you seem to provide more and more proof of your imbecility.

Posted by: urallimbeciles | January 19, 2011 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Aaah Eugene. In every article you seem to provide more and more proof of your imbecility.

Posted by: urallimbeciles | January 19, 2011 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Eugene_Robinson wrote:

"I don't usually jump in to comment on something I've written, but looking at this string I see a couple of points that need to be clarified. First, it's a free country so anyone can try to impugn the integrity of The Post's polling, but good luck with that. Check out the track record. Ask a few avowedly Republican pollsters, if you like. You will find that there is no "liberal bias" in our polling, and that we usually get it right. Second, of those who disapprove of the health care law -- including those who believe it doesn't go far enough -- about a third favor a partial repeal and nearly another third favor a wait-and-see approach before doing anything. That leaves a third (of opponents) who favor complete repeal, which is what the GOP is trying to do. Of total respondents -- those who don't like the law, those who do like it, and the few who have no opinion -- only about 17 percent favor complete repeal. Maybe other polls will come up with different results. A poll is a snapshot of public opinion -- and this is where we are right now."
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Eugene_Robinson,
I think you knew your poll was not valid, and that is why you had to get on this forum to try to shore up your laughable poll.

Posted by: susantodd | January 19, 2011 11:39 AM | Report abuse

As for the length of the repeal versus the original bill, it just proves that the repeal is not serious legislation. I've read the health care bill. (Come on it's not that hard. It's the length of an average Harry Potter novel.) The reason it is so long is it has to identify the existing laws that it's modifying, e.g. strike this clause, add this section etc. H.R. 2 is less than 10 pages long because it only destroys and does not propose an alternative. So, provisions of the law that EVERYBODY likes get destroyed along with provisions that SOME hate.

A different kind of repeal might be to just strike the individual mandate. The problem with this is that this would tick off the insurance companies that want the popular parts of reform gone instead of the unpopular parts, thus we have the wholesale repeal.

Even better than that would be to add to the existing structure and add ideas that control healthcare costs. Healthcare reform is really misnamed. It's mostly healthcare insurance reform and many things that control costs of healthcare can be added to the existing structure to improve things. The Republicans have a choice. They can be constructive or destructive with respect to ongoing healthcare reform. So far, they've chosen the latter.

Posted by: rblinne | January 19, 2011 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Dear conservative lie parroters: I trust a professional polling operation and a news reporter more than I trust anonymous commenters with no evidence and no proof whatsoever. I can only hope most intelligent people do the same.

Some people are content to believe only the things they agree with and don't need evidence or proof or reliable sources. Those people vote Republican. I for one am neither of those sorts of people.

Posted by: fqwefqwe | January 19, 2011 11:44 AM | Report abuse

You can't repeal something that doesn't exist...

There is no such thing as Obamacare!!!

Bob

Posted by: bobnpvine | January 19, 2011 12:12 PM | Report abuse

The republicans who rule the house are simply wasting their time trying to repeal the healthcare law that's already the law of the land that was signed by President Obama. The fact is that the republicans although they do have the votes in the house to pass their repeal healthcare bill in the house but they don't have the votes to overcome a philibuster nor overide a veto in the Senate becuase the Senate is where all the bills get either passed or voted down.

The President will veto the repeal healthcare bill when it crosses his desk and that may be the end of it. Even if the republicans try to take the repeal heathcare bill fight state by state well be my guest, the senate is sure not to bring the bill up to the floor again. Sure the republicans can try as they might to fight against it state by state until they are blue in the face. Take it to the U.S. Supreme court if they want and it will take many years to get any repeal of any kind.

The Constitution states that the authority of the state supreme court can't supercede the authority of the U.S. Supreme Court becuase the U.S. Supreme Court has federal jurisdiction over all state courts.

The republicans themselves have no logical or crediable alternative(s) to repealing certain parts of the healthcare law of which they haven't even discussed or mentioned to the public at all. All they can shout out is repeal!, repeal! Ok replace it with what?? More tax cuts for HMO's!!?? More healthcare ITCs and tax cuts for Small businesses??!! Been there and done that already! And I've got news for the republicans, those provisions are already in the current healthcare law. The republicans in the house and senate voted for those items in the law already and got those items so why are they complaining that the current healthcare law won't create jobs or increase the deficit!!?? Hipocracy ideed!

Besides the law doesn't even go into effect until 2014. By 2012 the voters who voted the republicans to take the house will not only feel cheated, dissapointed but very angry at the republicans once the President vetoes the bill of which he's certain to do. So in 2012 they'll vote the same bumbs out that they voted for in the first place to no use what so ever. May Nancy Pilosi and the Democrats have her and their last laugh all the way back to the house in 2012.

Posted by: msims2 | January 19, 2011 1:53 PM | Report abuse

I work 3 jobs and cannot afford health insurance nor cobra payments from my former job. I also know of non-citizens who can get free health care. I pay taxes on the little money I make. Nobody has ever polled me as to whether or not I support the healthcare reform. I bet all of you who talk this crap here have good jobs and don't need it now, that is. Your day may come and you will change that tune. also I am a college graduate, not on drugs or welfare so don't talk go there either

Posted by: ellejay43 | January 19, 2011 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Everybody knows that the majority of American People DO NOT want to repeal health care reform.

That is why Republicans try to claim a false majority, and when they speak they try to make it sound like they speak for more than just themselves.

After Republicans shoved that LIE CALLED THE WAR IN IRAQ down my throat, so far as I'm concerned Republicans can choke on health care.


Posted by: lindalovejones | January 19, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

It is not good enough and it squats on the track in the way of reforms. Unfunded mandates to citizens to buy coverage are likely to be found unconstitutional, the tinkering with the underwriting criteria of Insurance company policies will drive cost up and coverage out of plans or the capital these companies provide will flee that sector and it will become impossible to find a policy of coverage. The protection by the Congressional leadership of the Tort lawyers from any impingement of their practice, which is at the heart of the inflated systems costs, is eviscerating and prevented real reform. Does it matter which end of a train wreck you examine it from it is still a train wreck and needs to be cleared from the track.

Posted by: almorganiv | January 19, 2011 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Robinson jumps in to defend the WaPo poll:


In the last two presidential elections the Rasmussen poll was the most accurate.

From from The Houston Chronicle:

The Pew Research Center and Rasmussen Reports were the most accurate in predicting the results of the 2008 election, according to a new analysis by Fordham University political scientist Costas Panagopoulos.

The Fordham analysis ranks 23 survey research organizations on their final, national pre-election polls, as reported on pollster.com.

On average, the polls slightly overestimated Obama's strength. The final polls showed the Democratic ahead by an average of 7.52 percentage points -- 1.37 percentage points above his 6.15-point popular vote lead. Seventeen of the 23 surveys overstated Obama's final victory level, while four underestimated it. Only two -- Rasmussen and Pew -- were spot on.
Here is the list --

1T. Rasmussen (11/1-3)
1T. Pew (10/29-11/1)
3. YouGov/Polimetrix (10/18-11/1)
4. Harris Interactive (10/20-27)
5. GWU (Lake/Tarrance) (11/2-3)
6T. Diageo/Hotline (10/31-11/2)
6T. ARG (10/25-27)
8T. CNN (10/30-11/1)
8T. Ipsos/McClatchy (10/30-11/1)
10. DailyKos.com (D)/Research 2000 (11/1-3)

11. AP/Yahoo/KN (10/17-27)
12. Democracy Corps (D) (10/30-11/2)
13. FOX (11/1-2)
14. Economist/YouGov (10/25-27)
15. IBD/TIPP (11/1-3)

16. NBC/WSJ (11/1-2)
17. ABC/Wash.Post (10/30-11/2)
18. Marist College (11/3)
19. CBS/NY Times (10/31-11/2)
20. Gallup (10/31-11/2)

Notice that WaPo is 17th. Also notice that the "objective" mainstream news organizations are all at the bottom of this list. Even the Dailykos, an admittedly liberal organization, did better. In 2004
Rasmussen was also the nation's most accurate polling firm during the 2004 Presidential election and the only one to project both Bush and Kerry's vote total within half a percentage point of the actual outcome.

They also had the 2006 Democrat takeover of Congress pegged. In 2010 I think everyone had the Republicans winning the House easily. Everyone except Robinson and EJ Dionne, that is.

This is all much ado about nothing. The law will DEFINITELY be struck down by the Supreme Court. Book on it. Then Obama and the Dems can ponder the fact that they passed an unpopular and unconstitutional law and lost their huge House majority to boot. A House majority that, because of redistricting, they will not regain for the remainder of the decade. All to satisfy the infantile delusions of Robinson and his fellow travelers. Brilliant work. Hilarious, too. Aloha.

Posted by: lure1 | January 19, 2011 2:34 PM | Report abuse

First, when Pres. Obama rand for president, one of his platforms was reforming health care...that was a MANDATE that got him votes because a vast majority of Americans wanted health care reformed. WHY? Insurance premiums were going way up; too many people uninsured and using the emergency rooms for their day-to-day health care, depriving those of the immediate emergency attention needed; denial because of pre-existing conditions; the ability of a paper-pusher at the insurance company to deny claims and interfere with the doctor/patient relationship as far as treatment. INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE IN THE BUSINESS TO MAKE MONEY!!! NOT IFS, ANDS OR BUTS!!!
Republicans are in the business to continue to ensure that insurance companies make money (which goes to the top). Too many of these rabid and venomous "don't want the government telling me what to do" will be the very same ones complaining about the inability to get the health care they need.

It's not a perfect bill, but it is a start. It could not be an all or nothing proposition. My preference would be to have a public option available to give the private insurance companies some type of competition to keep the cost of health care down.

People who yell the loudest (teabaggers, haters, and the like) do not speak for "all" Americans. They speak for a small, narrow-minded group who will never change their minds.

Republicans are the master at propaganda spinning. Just heard a gentleman on Public Radio who wrote a book about how he earned a living spinning healthcare into a government-run, government-mandated program.

Rather have the government interfere with my patient/doctor relationship than the private insurance company. It went from the public option to "government-run" and "death panels" and the right-wingnuts believe it...that is until they need it or are denied it by their private insurance companies.

Now, the Republicans are calling it the "job destroyer" plan. So transparent what they're trying to do.

Well, haters, keep on hating. Take your trucks, bibles and guns because that's all that you will have.

Posted by: bander2400 | January 19, 2011 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes... just reading this collection of posts, and one thing sticks out about the exercise in futility that these debates become. You can present a set of facts to a person, and if those facts don't match the person's beliefs, they will choose to disbelieve the facts. It is astounding. It goes both ways, mind you, though in this case it is those on the right dismissing fact. It's not just the Post poll, the majority of the polls I have seen have reflected those same numbers. Of those that favor repeal, at least a quarter of them favor stronger legislation. So the Republicans would only be seeing to their desires if they were to repeal the bill then offer up a public option or single payers system. That is not going to happen.

So if you phrase the question with more honest choices:

A) Leave the bill as is
B) Repeal it and pass something weaker or nothing at all

You would find that those choosing option A would outnumber B by somewhere around 60% - 40%.

Were you to add C) Make changes to the bill, or even D) Strengthen the bill, you'd see a greater splintering of the A selections.

If you convince the American people of the truth... that if this is repealed, nothing we get in our lifetimes will be stronger or more comprehensive, you'd get a wider margin of A votes.

Posted by: jalabar1 | January 19, 2011 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Eugene Robinson for bringing some sense to the Health care repeal mindset. It is easy to understand that many who oppose the bill, feel that it did not go far enough; rather than opposing the bogus "take over", as republicans and tea party folks advocate. They do not speak for the American people as they declare!

As we look back at the debate, Obama bent-over backwards trying to get bipartisan support for the bill and included many of the suggestions made by Republicans who had no intention of supporting whatever he proposed!

Americans really wanted the public option which was tagged "government option" to get attention away from the merits of the option and support for the government take-over argument.

I am for reform to get the public option included and to limit further the insurance companies robbing the American people. While they enjoy lavish lifestyles they refuse to pay for necessary treatments for children, seniors, etc.

The bill is a great start towards affordable health care in a civilized society. The Republicans grandstanding is laughable, since they whole heartily support all of the $$$'s that is still there for the insurance industry, etc

Posted by: IdaHere | January 19, 2011 3:55 PM | Report abuse

SheJack:

You go girl. Voice of the dems.

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/01/18/sheila-jackson-lee-repealing-obamacare-is-unconstitutional/

Posted by: drowningpuppies | January 19, 2011 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Hey Einstein. Remember the November 2010 election. You hero, not mine got thumped. These figures said No to Obama, No to his leftist agenda, No to his socialist health care and no to a bunch of other Obama ideas. So as politely as I feel like, take your Post Poll and shove it. You leftists seemingly come up with a poll that supports all your Marxist ideas, when you know as well as I do, that you I-95 beltway fools are clueless with what the great majority of Americans want.
You all think you know what we need, BUT you don't listen for the question. A totally, useless B.S. article

Posted by: nomobarry | January 19, 2011 4:04 PM | Report abuse

To all of you who say that the Republicans are going to repeal or "fix" the health care law: YOU DONT HAVE THE VOTES!

Yes, the Republican-dominated House will pass something, but the Senate will not pass it, and, even if this happens, the President (yes, Obama IS the President) will veto it. This is nothing but a political-posturing, time-and-resource-wasting show.

We would all be better off if these demagogues would work on passing legislation that actually HELPS the country, such as job creation, a comprehensive enegry policy, EXPANDING Health care, infrastructure repairs and improvements, etc.

Posted by: hakngolfer1 | January 19, 2011 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I see that you are just like Obama,say something that doesn't exist. If you took a HONEST poll today you would be out numbered 2 to 1. These poll numbers that you are posting are not true, you are making them up so it looks good for Obama and his crew. You have probaly have not even read the bill your self. You remember Pelosi?, "we must pass the bill before we can read the bill"?????, well so far all those involved in passing it still haven't read it and they never will. This Health Care is way out of line. The American people can not afford it. We are currently borrowing money to pay for borrowed money, is that how you run your budget. A 13 month extension on unemployed who can afford that? you? We do need somekind reform of Health care,but not 680 billion dollars at a clip and only part of the country who is covered, Tell it like it is and see what happens, quit trying to BS the country into believing your numbers are correct, they are not! The longer Obama is in office the deeper in the hole we go. I know what you are going to say, blame it on Bush, well Obama knew what he was getting in to when he wanted to run for President of the USA, but his true colors really came out on him, he knows not what to do, its Reid, Pelosi and others that are pulling his strings, and that is really making him look like a puppet. I just don't get your way of thinking... or your numbers, it just don't add up. You should be more for the rights of Americans then pulling for Obama. I see what you are doing....It's not what you say it is.

Posted by: jackiestash | January 19, 2011 4:46 PM | Report abuse

The mid-term "shellacking" wasn't a "suggestion"!

Posted by: 2012frank | January 19, 2011 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Obamacare is a loser. First the numbers are cooked. If you add 30 million new people on insurance rolls and elimate life time max, restrictions on pre-existing conditions and cover kids until their 26 costs will rise. We say that we will reduce medicare by 500 billion. Does anyone really believe that? You project ten years of revenues, add in phony assumptions and viola, you cut costs. Oh I forgot to add two of Obamacares truly nasty surprised: In 2014 individuals will pay a 3.8% surcharge on the sale of homes of 400k or more. Investors will also pay the 3.8% surcharge to capital gains. Really great ideas? Guaranteed to help the housing market? How about the willingness of folks to invest? Obamcare is a pinata of nasty surprises which will slow roll out through the 2012 election when I am sure given Obama's non energy policies we will be paying $4 per gallon of gas and unemployment will still be at 8% or above.

Posted by: jkk1943 | January 19, 2011 5:18 PM | Report abuse

First, when Pres. Obama rand for president, one of his platforms was reforming health care...that was a MANDATE that got him votes because a vast majority of Americans wanted health care reformed. WHY? Insurance premiums were going way up; too many people uninsured and using the emergency rooms for their day-to-day health care, depriving those of the immediate emergency attention needed; denial because of pre-existing conditions; the ability of a paper-pusher at the insurance company to deny claims and interfere with the doctor/patient relationship as far as treatment. INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE IN THE BUSINESS TO MAKE MONEY!!! NOT IFS, ANDS OR BUTS!!!

I thought that Obama won because of the unpopularity of Bush and Republicans. I guess the reason that Republicans won the House and make gains in the Senate was because of Americans looked at two major items - Health Care Bill and economy and decided that the Democrats did a lousy job on both fronts.

Posted by: sales7 | January 19, 2011 5:59 PM | Report abuse

To all of you who say that the Republicans are going to repeal or "fix" the health care law: YOU DONT HAVE THE VOTES!

Yes, the Republican-dominated House will pass something, but the Senate will not pass it, and, even if this happens, the President (yes, Obama IS the President) will veto it. This is nothing but a political-posturing, time-and-resource-wasting show.

We would all be better off if these demagogues would work on passing legislation that actually HELPS the country, such as job creation, a comprehensive enegry policy, EXPANDING Health care, infrastructure repairs and improvements, etc.

Posted by: hakngolfer1 | January 19, 2011 4:43 PM
======================================
Kinda like the numerous anti Iraq war resolutions the House Democrats debated and passed in the last two Congresses. They knew full well that it would never pass the Senate much less get George W. Bush's signature. The current House debate on healthcare will take up two business days. How much time did the the Dems waste with their charade?

Posted by: lure1 | January 19, 2011 6:04 PM | Report abuse

***** Notice to Conservatives*****

Ahhhhh, I keep reading ya'' say that the WaPo is a "liberal" newspaper... Hope this doesn't come as a shock to ya'll but ya'll is as wrong as wrong can be...

Exhibit A: During the mad-dash-to-Iraq days the so-called liberal WaPo's news department printed every bit of the Bush/Cheney War Machine's daily propaganda... MOst of it above the fold on A-1...

Exhibit B: Over a year later the WaPo admitted to having fallen into a "culture" in accepting so much of the propaganda as truth...

Exhibit C: The "editorial" department backed the Iraq war from Day One and to the best of my knowledge never changed its position...

So, I appreciate ya'll conservatives thinking the WaPo as liberal... Problem is that that dog don't hunt... It's pure fiction and mythology on ya'll's part...

Thems is the facts... But we know that ya'll ain't all that interested in facts when mythology allows you to say whatever you feel you wished were facts...

But, hey...

Peace, anyway...

Bob

Posted by: bobnpvine | January 19, 2011 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and yer "BigAssLie" about repealing "Obamacare"??? Ain't any truth in that either 'cause there's no such legislation on the books ...

More conservative mythology...

But, hey, peace to ya'll, even if ya'll are quite content with the "BigAssLies"

Bob

Posted by: bobnpvine | January 19, 2011 6:26 PM | Report abuse

To the new House: nice going, idiots. Obama is rising in the polls and you are lying your asses off and voting to make sure kids can't get coverage despite pre-existing conditions, parents can't keep their kids on their medical plans while in college, and to make sure that we can all get kicked off of our plans when we actually need to use them.

Bring it, morans. I'm going to enjoy the next few years.

Posted by: ExperimentalTheologian | January 19, 2011 6:58 PM | Report abuse

The author is correct: the Republicans are trying to pretend that they have some sort of mandate or majority of public opinion backing them up, but this is totally false.

To the new House: nice going, idiots. Obama is rising in the polls and you are lying your asses off and voting to make sure kids can't get coverage despite pre-existing conditions, parents can't keep their kids on their medical plans while in college, and to make sure that we can all get kicked off of our plans when we actually need to use them.

Bring it, morans. I'm going to enjoy the next few years.

Posted by: ExperimentalTheologian | January 19, 2011 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Me, too, ExpTheo...

The Repubs are goina' be real entertaining...

Bob

Posted by: bobnpvine | January 19, 2011 7:21 PM | Report abuse

bobnpvine

Because Wapo "supported" the Iraq War (ONE issue) they are not liberal? Maybe even conservative. Liberal logic at it's finest. Sen. Paul Wellstone voted for the Defense of Marriage Act. Good to know he wasn't a liberal. You learn something new everyday. Keep banging your spoon on the table of your high chair crying Bush, Cheney, Iraq, torture etc. No one's listening but it's hilarious. Kook on. Aloha.

Posted by: lure1 | January 19, 2011 7:54 PM | Report abuse

That's some poll. I sure want it repealed. Of course I'm in the minority -- I pay federal income tax!

TAke a gander at this document if you think O'Bamacare will work:

http://cobankopegi.com/b/obama-care-chart.jpg

Posted by: FrankTrades | January 19, 2011 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Every single survey I have seen shows the American people are not happy with the new healthcare reform law. The assertion in this article that "Americans don't want health-care repeal" is incorrect.

stealthcupcake
_____

Rejecting of logic much?

By "every single survey" you actually mean EVERY survey, with no exceptions.

You overlook at least one exception to your extremist's false absolute:

The one on which this column is based.

And it isn't the only survey, or the first to show that a significant number of those who "oppose" the Congress' Health Care Reform Act (it isn't insufficiently white "Obamacare") do so because it DIDN'T GO FAR ENOUGH.

Now let's back up a tad and look at the origins of the Act:

The American Heritage Institute, as implemented by REPUBLICAN Mitt Romney.

Shouldn't that change your view? That it is actually the model proposed by the far-right Hamiltonian propaganda mill "AHI," and implemented by the none-too-liberal Republican Mormon Mitt Romney?

Or will you continue your face-turning-blue tantrum simply because President Obama insists on being President While Black?

Posted by: JNagarya | January 19, 2011 10:18 PM | Report abuse

I'll keep repeating it until it sinks into the minds of the righties:

There's no such thing as Obamacare!!! Get over it... It's all in yer twisted minds...

BTW, righties... What ios your plan for the next two years... 700 plus days of grandstanding??? Good luck in 2012 if that's all ya'll have in mind 'cause the voters will grow very tired of it by then...

And BTW, Part B, righties... Ya'll can't sneeze without sticking "job killing" in the middle of it... How many jobs have ya'll created today??? Please elaborate...

Bob

Posted by: bobnpvine | January 20, 2011 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Call mea big fat "liberal" if you like, but I sincerely favor a full government takeover of the health insurance industry.

If we the people can tolerate having a cabal of overpaid hypocritical & sinister windbags in Congress wasting our time & money on bullcrap (& paying for THEIR top-of-the-line health insurance while they deny us our own) why shouldn't we give them a real job to do rather than crapping all over us and blowing smoke up our arses all the time? Give them real jobs, with real qualifications - such as the ability to run health insurance operations, which are currently in the hands of a profit-hungry elite with no accountability at all? Put qualified representatives into Government positions, demand that they perform for our benefit and boot them the hell out by un-electing them when they fail.

Posted by: alfalafool | January 20, 2011 11:09 AM | Report abuse

The latest Fox News poll shows that a majority of Americans agree with House Speaker John Boehner and would repeal President Obama's health care overhaul as few see any advantages to the new law

Posted by: micholina2 | January 20, 2011 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, micholina2...

You watch FOX news on one hand for which you get little credit (unless you are watching MSNBC for balance) ***however*** you get much credit for not parroting the company fight song with "Obamacare"...

Refreshing, indeed!!!

Bob

Posted by: bobnpvine | January 20, 2011 5:11 PM | Report abuse

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