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Posted at 7:32 PM ET, 01/19/2011

After health-care reform repeal, Tea Party disappointment

By Stephen Stromberg

The Tea Party has its sop. The new Republican House has passed a bill repealing President Obama's health-care law. The Democratic Senate won't.

Now the Tea Party politics really begin. Not just between left and right. But between conservative activists and other Republicans. Because once the fleeting euphoria following today's vote diminishes, the Tea Party won't just be able to ask the GOP majority, "What have you done for me lately," but, "What have you done for me ever?" Only the most deluded of conservatives could have thought that the House's outright repeal of health-care reform would have much practical effect. And those who did will only be more disappointed that the flame of repeal didn't catch the way they expected.

After this bit of political theater, what happens when the ideals of the Tea Party actually conflict with the practical business of governing? The impending test seems to be over raising the national debt limit. Some conservatives are already explaining that refusing to raise the debt ceiling wouldn't lead to default -- merely the near collapse of the federal government, which would have to subsist on sporadic revenues almost certainly inadequate for it to function in a way Americans would recognize. Conservatives, such as Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) -- are now speaking and even legislating as though this were a serious, reasonable contingency.

Assuming that Democrats don't capitulate to all of the demands the GOP ties to raising the debt limit -- and Toomey seems to think that will involve the politically toxic question of serious entitlement reform! -- how will the Tea Party react when Republican leaders choose not to see through the most spectacular government shutdown ever? And what happens when Republican promises on spending more generally and other items don't materialize? Will Republicans have public optioned themselves with their base?

Typically, conservatives are more forgiving of their politicians than liberals. With all the populist fervor on the right, will that be true this year? Because Tea Partyers will have reason for disappointment, starting now.

By Stephen Stromberg  | January 19, 2011; 7:32 PM ET
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In 1993, during the health care reform debate under Clinton, Rhode Island Republican Sen. John Chafee introduced the GOP alternate plan for health care reform, demanding a federal individual mandate for health insurance.

It was co-sponsored by 20 GOP senators, including Orrin Hatch and Chuck Grassley.

Linda Quick, a Florida hospital official, fondly recalled the first time she heard a politician promoting the individual mandate. It was 1994, John McCain.

In 2004, would-be GOP Presidential candidate Mitt Romney introduced his great idea for health care reform in Massachusetts -- individual mandates.

In 2008, Tommy Thompson, Bush's Secretary of Health and Human Services said, "Just like people are required to have car insurance, they could be required to have health insurance."

Fast-forward to 2011, and now the GOP declares that THEIR idea, the individual mandate, is an "affront to personal liberty," "akin to tyranny," "unconstitutional," "unpatriotic," etc.

Go figure. Is that like John Kerry, "I was for it until I was against it?"

Posted by: okiedeadhead | January 19, 2011 8:00 PM | Report abuse

it'll be serious in 2012 dummy. bye bye dems and rino's.

Posted by: 12thgenamerican | January 19, 2011 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Yes sir and yes ma'am, that John Boehner is up there doing exactly what the people elected him to do. All 25% of the people.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theticket/20110117/pl_yblog_theticket/just-one-in-four-americans-support-health-care-repeal

And now it appears that 25% doesn't even include his own Tea Party cronies. Nice going, all you people who elected him. What else can he do to waste time and tax dollars?

Posted by: mssnatchquatch | January 19, 2011 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Bone-er! Stupid is as stupid does.

Posted by: Jihm | January 19, 2011 8:24 PM | Report abuse

You still don't get it Stromberg!

The Republican incumbents may very well disappoint on many occasions. But the Tea Party attitudes are not going away any time soon.

Obama and the Democrats have made this an existential struggle. A healthy U.S. economy will not follow from a big-spending, huge-bureaucracy, highly-regulatory federal government.

California, Illinois, Michigan are bankrupt. It's now or never for reversing the trend. So we'll keep pushing, agitating, and expressing ourselves through any disappointments that arise.

Posted by: pilsener | January 19, 2011 8:44 PM | Report abuse

In 1993, during the health care reform debate under Clinton, Rhode Island Republican Sen. John Chafee introduced the GOP alternate plan for health care reform, demanding a federal individual mandate for health insurance.

It was co-sponsored by 20 GOP senators, including Orrin Hatch and Chuck Grassley.

Linda Quick, a Florida hospital official, fondly recalled the first time she heard a politician promoting the individual mandate. It was 1994, John McCain.

In 2004, would-be GOP Presidential candidate Mitt Romney introduced his great idea for health care reform in Massachusetts -- individual mandates.

In 2008, Tommy Thompson, Bush's Secretary of Health and Human Services said, "Just like people are required to have car insurance, they could be required to have health insurance."

Fast-forward to 2011, and now the GOP declares that THEIR idea, the individual mandate, is an "affront to personal liberty," "akin to tyranny," "unconstitutional," "unpatriotic," etc.

Go figure. Is that like John Kerry, "I was for it until I was against it?"

Posted by: okiedeadhead | January 19, 2011 8:54 PM | Report abuse

pilsener, you do remember it was under bush and the gop-contolled Congress that the DC bureaucracy increased immensely, along with government spending and borrowing? You do remember that? Now these same gop'ers are going to fix it? Get real, dude. They already broke their promise to lower the deficit by adding billions to it. They will continue to stick it to the middle class in favor of their corporate masters.

Posted by: mikel7 | January 19, 2011 8:59 PM | Report abuse

I support the repeal. No explanation necessary.

Posted by: pennydantonio | January 19, 2011 9:04 PM | Report abuse

The Tea Party has taken over the US House of Reps. Separation of church and state has disappeared. Bible is being quoted in Congress on TV right now. I am a Christian sure, but I feel like the extremist far radical right wing also known to some as the Christian Taliban has taken over that part of Congress. I am afraid for this country.
We are going backwards and the fundamendalists are taking over. We won't be able to progress forward as a nation. We are not in the 21st century any more we are suddenly dragged backwards into the 1700's.

Posted by: mmhoover1 | January 19, 2011 9:05 PM | Report abuse

What about Federal Income Tax Refunds? If they shut down the government now, it will be September before people see their refunds.

Posted by: AnnsThought | January 19, 2011 9:07 PM | Report abuse

There are no entitlements to reform. Social security and medicare are self funding and any type of reform there would be nothing more than a "backdoor" tax increase on seniors.

We can cut significantly the defense and wars budget and agricultural subsidies.

If we really want to get the ball rolling to retire debt we need hiring & compensation mandates on the business community. Government simply does not have the resources to turn unemployment around that leads to lower debt levels.

Posted by: Maddogg | January 19, 2011 9:08 PM | Report abuse

D'oh, of course the Teabaggers are disappointed.

Because President Obama is still in the WHITE House!

Posted by: HughBriss | January 19, 2011 9:24 PM | Report abuse

You ertainly take a different view of what repugs will do than I do. And you left out the fact that Obama himself wants to gut Social Security and Medicare in the guise of "deficity reduction." If repugs need any cover with the tealiban, Obama will be doing his best to oblige.

Posted by: solsticebelle | January 19, 2011 9:27 PM | Report abuse

I imagine the Senate doesn't want to vote on the bill because senators fear political consequences if seen voting against repeal.
Sterling Greenwood/AspenFreePress

Posted by: AspenFreePress | January 19, 2011 9:38 PM | Report abuse

The whole bill reeks.....here are just a few instances:

** Page 50/section 152: The bill will provide insurance to all non-U.S. residents, even if they are here illegally.

** Page 58 and 59: The government will have real-time access to an individual's bank account and will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from those accounts

** Page 65/section 164: The plan will be subsidized (by the government) for all union members, union retirees and for community organizations

** Page 272. section 1145: Cancer hospitals will ration care according to the patient's age.

** Page 429, line 13-25: The government will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order.

Just remember you will all now be treated the same as Medicare recipients and trust me, at 74 I can tell you exactly how poorly that will be!

Posted by: OregonStorm | January 19, 2011 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mikel7 | January 19, 2011 8:59 PM , Ditto Mike ,good post , you summed it up nicely . Funny isn't it ? When is the last time you heard Cheney , Boehner , McConnell , Cantor , Pence , Bachman or any Republican turn down or complain about that terrible government provided socialist health care Insurance and the Cadillac insurance policies they get from the government ... and get for fee no less ! We pay for it ! Cheney is quite happy with it right now I am sure ! For them it's wonderful , for we commoners , for we the people , it's some kind of pinko commie government take over socialist evil ! LOL . What phony hypocrites ! They are only looking out for themselves and their Corporate and Wall Street masters ( mobsters ) like you said , to heck with the people who support and elect them and we the people , except that they need to sucker people into voting for them , they could not care less about their supporters . Fox , Hannity , Beck , Limbaugh etc. , are raking in the $ big time , they are making a fortune , a real good living , lying to people for the Republican party , it's their job . I wish people would wise up to these professional liars , for their own sake , for the sake of their families and for the good of all in this country .

Posted by: Koom | January 19, 2011 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Tea Partiers are NOT disappointed. The republicans did exactly what they promised. If Reid will not bring the repeal to a vote in the senate, it is Reid's fault, not the republican's.

The house CAN do something about the healthscare scam - the republican majority can refuse to fund it!! That is almost as good as repealing it. However, if it is not repealed, a new bill will not replace it and we will not have the good the old bill may have done. That will be the dems fault. They are toast in 2012 as is Obama.

Posted by: annnort | January 19, 2011 10:24 PM | Report abuse

OregonStorm , nice job cherry picking and taking things out of context but then that's what you right wingers like to do isn't it ? Don't let the truth and the facts get in your way ! What a joke . By the way , the only death panel in the country is in Arizona headed by Governor Jan " the bad dream " Brewer , if you watched anything other than the Fox / Republican propaganda channel you would know about it .There are no death panels in Obama's health care plan . Grow some brain cells .

Posted by: Koom | January 19, 2011 10:31 PM | Report abuse

I gather there is an intelligence exam taken if you want to become a "Tea-Partier". If you fail the exam, you automatically become a "Tea-Partier".

Posted by: 10emlet | January 19, 2011 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Disappointed? I'm ecstatic. Congress did exactly what it is supposed to do, represent the people. It's a vast improvement from what we were getting.

Posted by: wonderingstevie | January 19, 2011 10:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure the Democrats and liberals feel smug about the healthcare issue! Obamacare is not sustainable or practical. It will, and must be repealed dispite Democrat and liberal attitudes about what the government must do for them. It is only a matter of time before this onerous goverbment take-over called Obamacare goes down in flames. As a practical matter, our national debt level will bring it down if nothing else works.

Posted by: USDefender | January 19, 2011 11:02 PM | Report abuse

So the tea party and republicans feel that my 21 year old daughter who has a congenital heart problem should not have health care? Because she can't get her own, it's a preexisting condition! She works as a waitress FULL TIME (32hrs.)in order to pay for college and work toward a degree in early childhood education. I thought we wanted more responsible people like her? So she depends on me to cover her on my work policy and without this legislation extending my ability to cover her till age 26 she's out of luck! My response to these Tea bagging idiot republicans is a raised middle finger! Why do republicans feel it's all about them? I got a real problem with agent orange Boner and idiot boy Cantor who don't even have any alternatives available, nothing written to show us at all! Schmucks, both of them!

Posted by: USblues2 | January 19, 2011 11:08 PM | Report abuse

It will be interesting to see how courageous the Tea drinkers are when the "leadership" orders them to get in line. When will a dust up occur? Who will blink first? Because the power of the Republican Party nationally is not always helped by what the Tea Party folks claim to believe. It might even get that people in Congress will become independent voters and not just PARTY PAWNS. (this applies to the Dems too)

Posted by: LHO39 | January 19, 2011 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Cheney was right, Obama will be a one-term president.

I look forward to the day when the liberals are not listened to anymore. Oh, wait, thats happening now with CNN, and NBC!

This article is crap, by the way.

Posted by: JBfromFL | January 19, 2011 11:39 PM | Report abuse

The Tea Party is the sad invention of Rupert Murdoch and his mouthpiece Weepin' Glenn Beck. They will soon figure out that money talks and b.s. walks...

Posted by: braultrl | January 19, 2011 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Big pharma, big insurance, and big medical lobbies are on board with Obama healthcare; they know there are big bucks to be made here. And a large enough number of Americans are happy with most of the provisions. It ain't gonna get dumped; not in this Congress, or future ones.

Posted by: 82ndairborne | January 20, 2011 12:54 AM | Report abuse

And so begins 2 years of a complete waste of time.

So far the Republicans have read the Constitution, dissappeared for a week while an ex-Republican democratic congresswoman rcovers from a shooting and passed a bill that had no chance of passing the Senate or being signed.

Expect more vapid charade and utterly unproductive symbolism.

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Posted by: jeanhitt | January 20, 2011 1:17 AM | Report abuse


You guys should stop complaining because, one the health care we have now isnt as good as it was supposed to be. also the law has just been signed so give it some time. so if u want to say u have the right to choose tell that to ur congress men or state official. If you do not have insurance and need one You can find full medical coverage at the lowest price search online for "Wise Health Insurance" If you have health insurance and do not care about cost just be happy about it and trust me you are not going to loose anything!

Posted by: helenfortier20 | January 20, 2011 3:47 AM | Report abuse

This ignores the obvious next stage that the GOP had planned to keep the Tea Party happy: investigating the Obama administration. Get ready for the use of one word repeatedly: impeachment.

Posted by: Puller58 | January 20, 2011 5:55 AM | Report abuse

The Tea Party seem to be the only political faction in this nation that claim rights to "we the people". If its bad for them its bad for all, if its good for them its good for all. Sure, other groups push thier agendas but with the understanding that compromise is a reality because of opposing viewpoints. Narcissists that don't play well with others won't last long on the playground so we shouldn't have to put up with the 'baggers for much longer.

Posted by: rgray | January 20, 2011 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Apparently, anyone who opposes this administration's policies, i.e., the present health care bill, is an official member of the Tea Party. I know Democrats who want this bill repealed. Do we dare label them as Teabaggers? Honest dialogue in the media seems to be a thing of the past.

Posted by: bethg1841 | January 20, 2011 8:54 AM | Report abuse

"The Tea Party has its sop"...what a "civil" way to begin this piece. I would have preferred that you had perhaps written " The Republicans kept their campaign promise to the Tea Party"....

Posted by: LMW6 | January 20, 2011 8:55 AM | Report abuse

If House Republicans think shutting down the government will go over with the American public they better think again.

Democrats should take a play out of the Republican hand book and all vote no for increasing the debt. Republicans would then face the same problems Democrats faced when they were in the majority. The onus would be on Republicans because they hold the majority in the House and they would have to bring their radicals under control.

Posted by: timothy2me | January 20, 2011 8:57 AM | Report abuse

The Tea Party has "jumped the shark" along with its figurehead Sarah Palin. 2012 will likely be a centrist election and not one catering to the extremists of either side.

America now can see the Tea Party for what it realy is, a modern form of McCarthyism and it is not a pretty sight. This quote from William Shakespeare's Macbeth sums it up best "Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player, that struts and frets his hour upon the stage, and then is heard no more. It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing.

Posted by: rcc_2000 | January 20, 2011 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Not to worry, my man. The Tea Parties' media of choice will tell them black is white, peace is war, freedom is slavery, etc., and the poor deluded jerks will follow right along. These are, after all, the people who wanted the government out of Medicare.

Posted by: kstack | January 20, 2011 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Stromberg, I hope you are missing the point. By continuously ATTEMPTING to do the right thing in the House, and trying, but likely failing, to get any movement in the Senate, will give the GOP the foundation they need to call for changes in swing states for the Senate positions. Hopefully, this will result in a GOP majority in 2012 in both houses. If this occurs, then it will be the Congress (and the majority of the American people) against the current President - IF he were to win again in 2012, which is not at all certain. I realize that this is but one scenario, but one that I hope comes to pass. We need to make drastic changes to Federal spending. We need to cut those programs that have been sacrosanct until now. The baby boomers see the writing on the wall, and know that they have to take their medicine now to avoid burdening their children and grandchildren. I am a baby boomer, and am willing to take the cuts to social security, medicare and all other entitlement programs that we need to take to ensure the future of our children. Now is the time - we cannot put this off any longer.

Posted by: schwindt1 | January 20, 2011 10:05 AM | Report abuse

OregonStorm | January 19, 2011 10:18 PM
"at 74 I can tell you exactly how poorly that will be!"

How's senility? You don't get out much do you!

Republicans could have got more democratic support but republicans refused to include a provision that would eliminate congressional life time health and pension benefits if the bill ever repealed HC reform.

Posted by: knjincvc | January 20, 2011 10:07 AM | Report abuse

A Republican House that has a Democratic Senate and president as safety stops might come up with all kinds of teajhadist idiocy that has a snowball's chance of success, for the sole purpose of Tea Party pandering. I'm looking for efforts to repeal the 14th amendment, stifle stem cell use, curb abortion and repeal of the 17th amendment. A complete waste of the taxpayers' money.

Posted by: CardFan | January 20, 2011 10:20 AM | Report abuse

REPOSTING..!! I LOVE THIS..

WHY is this Information
NOT
getting to the PUBLIC!!

In 1993, during the health care reform debate under Clinton, Rhode Island Republican Sen. John Chafee introduced the GOP alternate plan for health care reform, demanding a federal individual mandate for health insurance.

It was co-sponsored by 20 GOP senators, including Orrin Hatch and Chuck Grassley.

Linda Quick, a Florida hospital official, fondly recalled the first time she heard a politician promoting the individual mandate. It was 1994, John McCain.

In 2004, would-be GOP Presidential candidate Mitt Romney introduced his great idea for health care reform in Massachusetts -- individual mandates.

In 2008, Tommy Thompson, Bush's Secretary of Health and Human Services said, "Just like people are required to have car insurance, they could be required to have health insurance."

Fast-forward to 2011, and now the GOP declares that THEIR idea, the individual mandate, is an "affront to personal liberty," "akin to tyranny," "unconstitutional," "unpatriotic," etc.

Go figure. Is that like John Kerry, "I was for it until I was against it?"

Posted by: okiedeadhead

Posted by: pdq5 | January 20, 2011 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Where is Darryl Issa?
He promised to investigate Obama as the most corrupt POTUS in U.S. history.

Where are Ricky Rubio and Ayn Rand Paul? Still on their knees kissing McConnell's papal ring?

Posted by: knjincvc | January 20, 2011 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Obamacare repeal is a process. Tea Partyers understand this. The author should not assume that they are the know-it-all rubes that many of the libs who post on these pages are. He recognizes such when he writes "Typically, conservatives are more forgiving of their politicians than liberals."

Posted by: alexandria6351 | January 20, 2011 10:44 AM | Report abuse

If the Republicans flirt with defaulting on our debt, this will raise the interest costs on our $13 trillion debt by far more than they can expect to save in any spending cuts. The effect will be to RAISE the deficit.

Posted by: stichmo | January 20, 2011 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Where is Darryl Issa?
He promised to investigate Obama as the most corrupt POTUS in U.S. history.

Where are Ricky Rubio and Ayn Rand Paul? Still on their knees kissing McConnell's papal ring?

Posted by: knjincvc

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I do not think it is McConnell's ring they are kissing... Wait! It might actually be his ring depending where McConnell stuck it.

Posted by: rcc_2000 | January 20, 2011 11:21 AM | Report abuse

The Tea Party's all-or-nothing approach to politics will not serve it well in Congress. Even the most ardent ideologue knows some compromise is necessary for governing.

However, the point is probably moot because the Tea Party has a definite shelf life. It came to be as a reaction to Obama, and it will disappear the second Obama leaves the White House.

Posted by: MidwaySailor76 | January 20, 2011 11:40 AM | Report abuse

"In 2004, would-be GOP Presidential candidate Mitt Romney introduced his great idea for health care reform in Massachusetts -- individual mandates."

A fine exhibit of what a disaster Obama care will be. People are running from the Mass mess.

Posted by: Pilot1 | January 20, 2011 11:52 AM | Report abuse

I suspect - and there have already been some indications - that the GOP is going to do to the Tea Party what it has done to Evangelicals for the last three decades: use them to win elections and then kick them to the curb.

Tea Partiers are going to look back on the January 2011 vote to repeal health care as the high point of their political careers. From here on, it's going to be one disappointment after another.

Posted by: MidwaySailor76 | January 20, 2011 11:54 AM | Report abuse

To Mikel7: Did you forget that all spending bills originate in the House and that the Democrats have controlled the House since 2006?
Deficits:
Democrats take House
2007 114 $billion
2008 318 $billion
Obama Elected Dems control House/Senate
2009 991 $billion
2010 1064 $billion

GET IT NOW!

Posted by: pilsener | January 20, 2011 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Corrected Post. I used wrong data set for last post, here's the correction:

To Mikel7: Did you forget that all spending bills originate in the House and that the Democrats have controlled the House since 2006?
Deficits:
Democrats take House
2007 161 $billion
2008 458 $billion
Obama Elected Dems control House/Senate
2009 1413 $billion
2010 1555 $billion

GET IT NOW?

And of course, the Democratically-controlled Congress failed to pass a budget last year.

Posted by: pilsener | January 20, 2011 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Am I hoping for too much when I say I'd love to see them NOT raise the debt limit and then allow the federal government to collapse. Sounds like a dream come true for me.

Posted by: BradG | January 20, 2011 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Obamacare repeal is a process. Tea Partyers understand this. The author should not assume that they are the know-it-all rubes that many of the libs who post on these pages are. He recognizes such when he writes "Typically, conservatives are more forgiving of their politicians than liberals."

Posted by: alexandria6351
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Gee, I hope you're around and still posting comments in 6 months or however long it takes the tea party to realize they've been duped. The GOP were happy to have your votes, thank you very much, but its business as usual on capital hill. The GOP is controlled and guided by corporate interests who are controlled and guided by their profit margins. Big pharma is on board with "Obamacare" ergo the GOP is on board with "Obamacare". If it makes big bucks for these corporations they'll support it. It really is that simple.

Posted by: rgray | January 20, 2011 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Here is the difference between Repubs and Dems regarding health care.

Republicans don't care if 50 million Americans have no health care. And they have no solutions to fix it even though they had plenty of time to do so in the last 20 years.

Democrat's view health care as a moral issue and believe that all Americans should have access to it.

Bottom line Democrat's care about all Americans, while Repubs only care about their own ideology and country folk constituents. I know who I'll being vote for in 2012.

Posted by: great81 | January 20, 2011 1:10 PM | Report abuse

To great81 -

First of all health care & health insurance are 2 different things. All Americans have access to health care.

Being able to pay for what you use is also a moral issue. The Health Reform bill is simply unaffordable as written. The Medicaid provisions alone will bankrupt the states, some of whom are already bankrupt, and 27 of whom are suing the federal government over this legislation.

Finally, there were & are better options than this monstrosity that was passed without being read. Can you at least admit that some provisions of the legislation will have to be changed?

Vote however you want, but your ideological blinders are on way too tight.

Posted by: pilsener | January 20, 2011 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Pilsener, you believe that all Americans have access to health care. How do you figure? Because anyone can go to the emergency room?

Do you ever take your car in for an oil change or to diagnose a problem, or just do nothing until it won't go anymore and it has to be towed? Regular medical examinations and diagnoses of physical problems constitutes health care. Waiting until you have to call an ambulance to take you to the ER is emergency care. They are very different - and guess which one costs way more than the other?

Posted by: rgray | January 20, 2011 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Disappointment. The Tea Party was formed on disappointment- disappointment in the ineffectiveness of our government, its waste, its overspending, its level of debt, and its callous disregard of peoples wishes. They are disappointed with both parties. Though they are more closely aligned with GOP rhetoric, actions or inaction is more important than party.

If you are declaring now that spending in being controlled, the government is effective and all are working together for a better America, than I quess the days of the Tea party are numbered.

But if one is disappointed with the performance of government then there is all the more reason for it to prosper and grow

Posted by: flyover22 | January 20, 2011 7:19 PM | Report abuse

pilsener writes:
"First of all health care & health insurance are 2 different things. All Americans have access to health care"

Why would anyone even bother to debate the merits of healthcare reform with someone who's deluded enough to think all Americans have access to healthcare?

Is it blind ideology, is it because this person has never been to a doctor and doesn't know how our healthcare system works, or is it because Faux News and Limbaugh are his only sources of "information", and they would never cover a story like this:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=111066576

Posted by: sambam | January 20, 2011 8:04 PM | Report abuse

My primary response to great81 was to refute the false premise that 50 million Americans have no access to healthcare. That assertion is simply false. It is not even true that 50 million people have no access to health insurance, the actual number is significantly smaller

You can make a valid argument that emergency room access is not "adequate" health care, but it is health care available to all.

Medicaid exists in all states. You can argue that the requirements for Medicaid should be changed, but it is available.

Workers Comp is mandated by law in all states to cover work-related injuries and illnesses. That also is healthcare.

In addition there are numerous welfare programs and free clinics available.

If you want to say that health-care delivery in the U.S. can and should be improved, I whole-heartedly agree. The Health Reform Act is not the way to improve health-care delivery at a price the U.S. can afford.

Posted by: pilsener | January 20, 2011 8:23 PM | Report abuse

The 50 million uninsured number is all too real, and more than half of those people cannot even qualify for insurance in the "free market" that Republicans are so in love with.

If the Republicans in Congress can come up with a plan to cover 30 million uninsured (as health reform does), and does so in a fairer and less expensive way than PPACA does, I think EVERYONE (including the Democrats here) will be all for it.

I'd like the Republican leadership to show how it can be done! Of course that would require some serious thought leadership and policy making, rather than the lying and sloganeering that McConnell, Boehner and company are so adept at.

Posted by: sambam | January 20, 2011 9:22 PM | Report abuse

The 50 million uninsured number is all too real, and more than half of those people cannot even qualify for insurance in the "free market" that Republicans are so in love with.

If the Republicans in Congress can come up with a plan to cover 30 million uninsured (as health reform does), and does so in a fairer and less expensive way than PPACA does, I think EVERYONE (including the Democrats here) will be all for it.

I'd like the Republican leadership to show how it can be done! Of course that would require some serious thought leadership and policy making, rather than the lying and sloganeering that McConnell, Boehner and company are so adept at.

Posted by: sambam | January 20, 2011 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted at 7:32 PM ET, 01/19/2011
After health-care reform repeal, Tea Party disappointment
By Stephen Stromberg

See Stromberg that's why you and your fiends are always a day late and a Renminbi short, y'all wander around in the acronym vault of the past, struggling to resolve an image of what's happening today, then, in a incredible stretch of the continuum, you try to see into the future. How many times do you have to be updated, the Tea Party was over 230 years ago, the Children of the Tea are even now laying the keel for a whole, new, sturdier, fairer, ethical Ship of State (patterned after the Original One those from the Cuckoo Nest Belfrey have nearly succeeded in sinking) that will help Re-Unite US in:

Working
Prospering
Living Free
Pursuing Happiness
Enjoying the Fruits of OUR Labor
Welcoming those invited most in need of Shelter

No meanspirited Rheteoric in Dallas, in Arizona, anywhere in America, except in the *Jack***Wagon from the Wright Wing of the Despisemocrat Party, the ABMSNBDNCNNPBSR Public-Private, Government-Media Complex @ the moveon.ogre belfry that have given all the President's Mice, upside down glasses that keeps them seeing, hearing, and saying just what the Kevorkians of the World order want US to hear, caused the tragedy in Tucson. These mutants from dis-educational land hold others to a virtual standard, kept in their Ego Lock-Box, and are the real core of the problem in this country. they are easily led around by their keyword trigger chip, and could be the next terrorist...think back to when the President (and some congress people) called out SEIU and the ACORN crazies to show up at a Wall Street Executive's house, screaming and intimidating, all the while they and the whole bunch of you people, the irresponsible parties, looked on diss-passionately, as if you had nothing to do with it.

You blog-bats, the rest of you supremely, illiberally informed, wailing, railing about some mythical 50 Million life or death crises, ought to be working on what to tell the 30,000,000+ people, in 14,000,000+ households no better off, worse, or in complete crisis, along with the 40,000,000 professional poor soul\victims of illiberalism in inaction, that are stuck in the suck hole (at the brink), besides the Jobs aren't KILLED after all, we are sure that will make them feel sooo much better about the civvvil, discooourse, to know they and their livelyhoods have only just been kidnapped.

Posted by: RichNomore | January 20, 2011 10:01 PM | Report abuse

"refusing to raise the debt ceiling wouldn't lead to default -- merely the near collapse of the federal government,"

That is EXACTLY what the Tea Party wants! By God man, can't you see!

Vote PALIN/BACHMANN 2012! They are what this country deserves.

Posted by: kparc1212 | January 21, 2011 6:45 AM | Report abuse

God please let the Repub's and Tea Party win in 2012! Prayers back in school, abortionist in prison! gays in prison! Mom back in the kitchen! Ozzie and Harriet reruns mandatory viewing! PRAISE GOD!

Then we can finally settle the IRAN issue once and for all!

WAR! is the answer!

Vote PALIN/BACHMANN 2012! They are what this country deserves.

Posted by: kparc1212 | January 21, 2011 6:55 AM | Report abuse

Stop the madness! Coverage is not care. We all have bodies and they all, cradle to grave, need maintenance. Insurance has nothing to do with it. We need single-payer and we need it now. HR 676, Medicare for All, will eliminate the 31 cents on every dollar wasted on private health insurance bureaucracy, the parasitic middlemen that enrich their execs, increase costs for the rest of us and deny or delay care to patients. HR 676 will implement a single-payer system that will capture the savings and deliver comprehensive, high quality health care to everyone....at a savings of $400 billion. It's time. No more 'it's not politically feasible' excuses!

Posted by: agalvin9584sbcglobalnet | January 21, 2011 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Some of the incoherent, bigoted rants from the right are the best argument in support this President's program. To turn over to these people would be the equivalent of putting the lunatics in charge of the asylum. You can't respond to thier comments; they are too crazy.

Posted by: withersb | January 21, 2011 10:23 AM | Report abuse

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