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Posted at 7:59 AM ET, 01/12/2011

Jared Loughner's hate came before the Tea Party

By Marc Thiessen

Today's Washington Post reports:

[T]wo law enforcement sources said that FBI agents had found a 2007 letter from Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) to the shooting suspect, with the words "Die, bitch" and "Die, cops" scrawled on it. The letter, which thanked [Jared] Loughner for attending an event of hers, was found in a safe in his Tuscon home, the sources said.

In 2007, there was no Tea Party movement and Sarah Palin was the obscure, recently elected governor of Alaska. If anything, the overhead heated political rhetoric at the time was coming from the left and was directed largely at President George W. Bush. It is time for all those whose reflexive reaction was to capitalize on this tragedy by blaming their political opponents (eg. the New York Times editorial page, the Daily Kos and Paul Krugman) to start issuing some apologies. They can start with Sarah Palin.

By Marc Thiessen  | January 12, 2011; 7:59 AM ET
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Here's an ironic question; I own a first edition Sherlock Holmes book printed in the first decade of the 20th century. If I wrote my name on the title page, could we deduce that I wrote it there immediately after the book was published?

Posted by: getjiggly2 | January 12, 2011 8:32 AM | Report abuse

"Jared Loughner's hate came before the Tea Party"

Sure - but the Tea Party's hate filled rhetoric looks to have contributed to the direction he took. He was right on the edge - he decided to vent by killing a Democratic congresswoman. What could have planted that seed ? I don't know how one can overlook the rhetoric coming from the right in leading to this action. I think it's disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

Posted by: PulSamsara | January 12, 2011 8:42 AM | Report abuse

"Jared Loughner's hate came before the Tea Party"

Sure - but the Tea Party's hate filled rhetoric looks to have contributed to the direction he took. He was right on the edge - he decided to vent by killing a Democratic congresswoman. What could have planted that seed ? I don't know how one can overlook the rhetoric coming from the right in leading to this action. I think it's disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

Posted by: PulSamsara | January 12, 2011 8:42 AM | Report abuse

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That she was the Congresswoman in his District with whom he had already had a peculiar encounter....

THink horses, not zebras.

Posted by: PALADIN7E | January 12, 2011 8:59 AM | Report abuse

"Jared Loughner's hate came before the Tea Party"

Sure - but the Tea Party's hate filled rhetoric looks to have contributed to the direction he took. He was right on the edge - he decided to vent by killing a Democratic congresswoman. What could have planted that seed ? I don't know how one can overlook the rhetoric coming from the right in leading to this action. I think it's disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

Posted by: PulSamsara | January 12, 2011 8:42 AM | Report abuse
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Like, uh, "If they bring a knife to the party, we'll bring a gun"? or "We'll get in their faces".

Oh, but that wasn't a Republican who said those naughty things, wasn't it.


COuld be that you had a young adult who was an untreated paranoid schiznophrenic who was going to kill that day, if the Congressman or woman was a member of the Republican, Democrat, Whig, or Green Party?

Posted by: PALADIN7E | January 12, 2011 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Give it a rest. No serious person believes the Tea Party is guilty of inciting violence. No serious person could believe that Obama incited violence by referring to his GOP opponents as enemies either. Give it a rest. Let people mourn. Stop cheapening the political climate with phony charges to promote an agenda on the back of a national tragidy.

Posted by: jkk1943 | January 12, 2011 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Apologize to Sarah Palin? How about Sarah Palin apologizing to Rep. Giffords for putting her in Palin's crosshairs? I'm not saying that Palin's vulgar map of candidates to be 'knocked off' caused the tragedy in Tuscon, I'm saying that the 'map' was the act of a crude loud-mouthed bully. Rep. Giffords did not appreciate being 'targeted' and we're still waiting for Palin's apology. Hopefully, no one is holding their breath.

Posted by: jpawlik1 | January 12, 2011 9:27 AM | Report abuse

"You false patriots who bring assault rifles to political rallies, you hack politicians and media personalities who lied through your stinking teeth about "death panels" and "Obama is coming for your guns" and "He isn't a citizen" and "He's a secret Muslim" and "Sharia Law is coming to America," you who spread this bastard gospel and you who swallowed it whole, I am talking to you, because this was your doing just as surely as it was the doing of the deranged damned soul who pulled the trigger. The poison you injected into our culture is deeply culpable for this carnage." - William Rivers Pitt. By the way, I am another serious person who believes the Tea Party's (really just the GOP in populist disguise) violent rhetoric has caused the violence in Tucson.

Posted by: dnahatch1 | January 12, 2011 9:37 AM | Report abuse

You miss the point, Mr. Thiessen. The murders didn't happen in 2007, did they? The occurred in 2011, well after the rhetoric got out of hand. I, for one, do not equate the violence specifically as a Tea Partier phenomenon. Individual media personalities and politicians fed the hatred this time. In the past, we blamed television and cinema. Now our own leaders are purveyors of violence. That is why so many of us are calling for accountability for their words. Unfortunately for mainstream America, the VAST majority of the hatred comes from one political party.

Posted by: DavidATL45 | January 12, 2011 9:38 AM | Report abuse

And he didn't shoot anyone before the Tea Party sprang up, did he, Thiessen, you miserable hack?

Posted by: Observer691 | January 12, 2011 10:21 AM | Report abuse

2007 ... it is 2011 ....

Am I missing something here?

the author is right, in 2007 he did not shoot anyone, it was only AFTER 4 years of listening to rising voilent rhetoric that finally drove him over the edge.

Posted by: petraeus | January 12, 2011 10:38 AM | Report abuse

The whiny torture supporter speaks again. Shame on the Washington Post.

Posted by: caphilldcne | January 12, 2011 10:41 AM | Report abuse

She was "at first puzzled"? More like she is ALWAYS puzzled! Sarah Palin has NEVER shown ANY responsibility, NEVER completed a term in ANY office and even left the Bullseye graphic on her sarahpac page up untill the afternoon of the assassination.

I have a screencap of Jared Loughners Facebook page from shortly before it was downed. On his page were two pictures...both of Sarah Palin. Under interess and activities...Tea Party Activism.

Yes Sarah, you and your "party" ARE partially responsible for what happened here in Tucson this past Saturday and I will remember it always at the voting station.

Posted by: rrowleyarizona | January 12, 2011 10:51 AM | Report abuse

You people are forgetting his political ideology. He was a far left liberal...people who knew him have confirmed it. He listed his favorite book to be the Communist Manifesto. That's about as far left as you can get since it's about how socialism is the thing to do and that capitalism is evil and will fail. This has nothing to do with Palin...think about it, would any far left liberal every listen to a thing that Sarah Palin has to say? This happened because a man was angry at a politician for blowing off his very stupid question at an event and nothing more.

Posted by: james1313 | January 12, 2011 10:55 AM | Report abuse

But he didn't kill 6 people in 2007. He killed them after congresswomen giffords won re-election. Perhaps he felt he was exercising his second amendment rights to over turn the election. Sure he is mentally ill and maybe there is no direct connection but "words can have consequences".

Posted by: PhilVet | January 12, 2011 11:21 AM | Report abuse

So then who should we blame for the threats on Republican Eric Cantor by Norman LeBoon. Or how about the threats on Republicans Jean Schmidt and Jenny Brown? How about the death threats against Sarah Palin?

I hate this violence as much as any other, but the reality is that in a nation as large as ours, individual insanity is not uncommon, and the results devastating

Posted by: Locke1 | January 12, 2011 11:43 AM | Report abuse

It is a sad commentary when I must go John Stewart for rational commentary on recent events. Perhaps it is the American way in the fine tradition of Mark Twain and so many other brillent comedians who shine a light of sanity on the insane happenings in our world.
I hope we come to our senses before we come to the end.

Posted by: mbudnick1 | January 12, 2011 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Should I rightfully hold the Democratic Party still responsible for the deaths of Lincoln? Or Garfield, or McKinley, how about the wounding of Reagan, or the TR? How about the attempts on Ford and Nixon. Where does individual responsibility begin? If blame outside those individuals exists, it exists in the nature of insanity, not the expression of political freedom.

Posted by: Locke1 | January 12, 2011 11:50 AM | Report abuse

American society is in philosophical crisis, a crisis with monumental implications for the future of government and civil society. A belief in the autonomy and personal responsibility of the individual is a prerequisite for civil society; without this foundation, social discourse and exchange wither, wealth recedes, and quality of life erodes. Latter-day notions of mechanical man, radical determinism, and of an all-powerful, all-knowing government that has the right to shape and mold that man, has undermined the natural fabric of our communities, leaving a moribund wasteland. Jared Loughner is a product of that culture, the culture of The Blank Slate and Collectivism, not the culture of Tea Parties and freedom.

Posted by: RandFan | January 12, 2011 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Here's an ironic question; I own a first edition Sherlock Holmes book printed in the first decade of the 20th century. If I wrote my name on the title page, could we deduce that I wrote it there immediately after the book was published?

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Look up "ironic." You're question isn't ironic. It's "moronic." We could deduce it wasn't written then, because the ink used today does not have the same chemical composition as ink did 100 years ago.

Posted by: hofbrauhausde | January 12, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I have never in my life been more enraged with left-wing politics than now. For the left this is simply nothing more than an opportunity. With crocodile tears, They celebrated this horrible tragedy, as it is an opportunity to attack their political opponents, simply because they disagree with the Messiah's politics. Sarah Palin and Glen Beck, and I'm a fan of neither, never suggested anything of the sort. Furthermore their is no evidence, at all, this guy was a member, or supporter of the tea party, NONE. Simply looking at what we know about this guy, he was a militant atheist (Liberals love poking fun at the right's religious beliefs, at least until Saturday.) With disillusion of Government brainwashing, he has all the signs of paranoid schizophrenic more so then a middle aged tea partier.

But who needs evidence or intelligent analysis when there freedoms to be curbed?

Armed with a fresh cache of lies, now comes there opportunity to capitalize, Liberals now see holes where they can attempt to curb freedom of speech further. Liberals in this country see holes where they can tighten gun control further. Shamelessly, all this off the blood of a six dead.

Posted by: cstutler | January 12, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I have never in my life been more enraged with left-wing politics than now. For the left this is simply nothing more than an opportunity. With crocodile tears, They celebrated this horrible tragedy, as it is an opportunity to attack their political opponents, simply because they disagree with the Messiah's politics. Sarah Palin and Glen Beck, and I'm a fan of neither, never suggested anything of the sort. Furthermore their is no evidence, at all, this guy was a member, or supporter of the tea party, NONE. Simply looking at what we know about this guy, he was a militant atheist (Liberals love poking fun at the right's religious beliefs, at least until Saturday.) With disillusion of Government brainwashing, he has all the signs of paranoid schizophrenic more so then a middle aged tea partier.

But who needs evidence or intelligent analysis when there freedoms to be curbed?

Armed with a fresh cache of lies, now comes there opportunity to capitalize, Liberals now see holes where they can attempt to curb freedom of speech further. Liberals in this country see holes where they can tighten gun control further. Shamelessly, all this off the blood of a six dead.

Posted by: cstutler | January 12, 2011 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Here's an ironic question; I own a first edition Sherlock Holmes book printed in the first decade of the 20th century. If I wrote my name on the title page, could we deduce that I wrote it there immediately after the book was published?

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Look up "ironic." You're question isn't ironic. It's "moronic." We could deduce it wasn't written then, because the ink used today does not have the same chemical composition as ink did 100 years ago.

Posted by: hofbrauhausde | January 12, 2011 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Since the author doesn't know when the offending words were written, he does not know how long Loughner has been angry.

And he should try using a little logic, as hofbrauhausde points out.

You have to admire the nerve of a guy calling this level of partisan mudslinging "post-partisan" though.

Posted by: frogmarch | January 12, 2011 1:14 PM | Report abuse

"2007 ... it is 2011 ....

Am I missing something here?

the author is right, in 2007 he did not shoot anyone, it was only AFTER 4 years of listening to rising voilent rhetoric that finally drove him over the edge."

Yes, you are missing something. And probably willfully so. You're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Here is what his friend said about his political/media habits:

"He did not watch TV. He disliked the news. He didn’t listen to political radio. He didn’t take sides. He wasn’t on the left. He wasn’t on the right."

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/jared-loughners-friend-says-suspect-did-not-watch-tv-disliked-the-news_b48040

He was a schizophrenic. That's all the information you need to understand his "motivation".

Posted by: kcom | January 12, 2011 1:42 PM | Report abuse

The author "reports" the year of the letter and the year of the scrawling as the same with no evidence or research. The date on the letter indicates only when Giffords signed it--not when someone other than Giffords wrote on the same piece of paper. Logical analysis of the letter's original content as described in this strange "report" indicates that at the time of the letter's reception, a positive interaction was taking place. Even shallow research of Loughner's other writings/postings demonstrates that the Tea Party at least influenced his hatred toward Giffords. Thiessen owes his readers an apology for wasting our time. Thiessen should forgo writing and take up reading nonfiction. The jab at Krugman is pure academic jealousy.

Posted by: brunog | January 12, 2011 1:46 PM | Report abuse

You’re missing the point. While it is wrong to point at one or two individuals as the cause for this tragedy, excessive and continued causticity from personalities in political world, media included, can have a catalytic effect and more so with mentally unstable people like Loughner. Is it not how terrorists are recruited around the globe? Dissent in politics is required but it must be respectful and loyal to countries’ interests and not personal agenda that so many media personalities and politicians are all about.

Posted by: EinsteinsGhost | January 12, 2011 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, Fox and the Tea Party are directly responsible for the massacre in Arizona. They should be ashamed of themselves. Mark Montgomery NYC, NY boboberg@nyc.rr.com

Posted by: boboberg | January 12, 2011 2:36 PM | Report abuse

"a 2007 letter from Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) to the shooting suspect"

From Giffords to Laughner?

Did no one ever teach you about prepositions?

Posted by: boblogan | January 12, 2011 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Where is the connection between Palin and Loughner? Or the Tea Party and Loughner??? Sarah Palin drew a map. Poor taste, but no connection. Alan Grayson is equally offensive and equally polar as Palin. If he criticizes a conservative politician, and that politician is later shot by a mentally ill person (who isn't a liberal, a socialist, or even a constituent of Grayson's), would you hold Grayson responsible?

Loughner's favorite books listed were Mein Kampf and Communist Manifesto...books that are diametrically opposed to Palin and the Tea Party.

Posted by: lacarids | January 12, 2011 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin’s comments bring more honesty to the American people than the news media’s braodcasters and journalist who publish bias comments that were “made up” without any supporting facts or evidence. Don’t let them clog your mind with poison and paranoia that behind every tree is a bigot hate monger. Some are slithering in the news rooms and White House press.

Compare the news coverage of Tucson to the Ft. Hood massacre in view of victims, motivation of perpetrator and political comments from White House. Tucson incident is clearly related to a socially maladjusted, low function level of a person with serious sanity and insanity mental health issues, while Ft. Hood was an Army Psychiatrist.

Americans received very little news coverage of victims of the Ft. Hood killer who gunned down military personnel in a massing killing without warning. Obama advised caution on conclusion related to motivation when evidence was obvious it was the works of an Islam religious killer in the name of Allah with empathy for the Muslim anti-American political world.

For Americans to have any credibility in news journalist and editors, Congress must demand the Society of Journalist issue a public reprimand on any articles or broadcasts drawing conclusion or making suggestions that are invalid and misleading to the public. Ethical journalist standards are running lower than the liberal left-wing propaganda tactics of the Obama administration.

Posted by: klausdmk | January 12, 2011 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Wow. I'm going to use pit bulls as an example, because I only think it's appropriate. Perhaps this analogy will make the situation easier for some folks to comprehend. Do you think the justice system and the American public should apologize to Michael Vick for the charges he faced a while back on animal cruelty during his dog fighting days, because pit bulls are just pre-disposed to acting violently and attacking other living beings? NO! Why? because Vick and his betting buddies instigated the fights, they riled up the pit bulls to be destructive to themselves and others AND they profited off it. Sound familiar? Does Loughner have a history of mental issues before the Tea Party emerged? Most probably, Yes. And are Tea Party Leaders like Sarah Palin responsible for riling up the public with destructive messaging which could easily trigger a troubled individual who is pre-disposed to violent behavior to act in a harmful manner to himself and others? YES! Why is this so hard to understand?? Also, on a side note, if Gaby Giffords was your mother, sister, wife, would you be so quick to dismiss Sarah Palin's image of a cross hair over the Congresswoman's district? Think about it..

Posted by: blueskies84 | January 12, 2011 3:54 PM | Report abuse

"...And are Tea Party Leaders like Sarah Palin responsible for riling up the public with destructive messaging which could easily trigger a troubled individual who is pre-disposed to violent behavideor to act in a harmful manner to himself and others? YES! .."

Your "word-salad" is almost as incomprehensible as Loughners! The "destructive messaging" of the Tea Party pertains primarily to arithmetic. Oh yeah, math has always been very dangerous! If we keep insisting that our politicians learn to do arithmetic we are going to destroy the world!

Posted by: OldSkeptic2 | January 12, 2011 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Some facts you might not be aware of.

1. Loughner was anti-war:
http://volokh.com/2011/01/10/jared-loughners-anti-war-views/

2. Loughner was a 9/11 Truther, and a big fan of the movie 'Zeitgeist'.

http://reason.com/blog/2011/01/12/the-new-age-assassin

More evidence that Loughner was more left than right. Or just plain fringe.

Posted by: tjk1 | January 12, 2011 4:37 PM | Report abuse

From WP today: "But in a sign of how so much has changed in Tucson since Saturday, a SWAT team stood guard on the church's rooftop, and undercover agents mixed in with the mourners inside."

Repeat after me several times: It was a psychotic lone wolf that did that. Only one of the large population of Tucson. There is no need for a SWAT team anywhere in churches or elsewhere.

The media's, the law-enforcement's, and the politicians' circus over this tragedy is getting ridiculous. Thanks are due to the wonderful people at the hospital and to the first responders.

Let's hope that Obama's speech tonight will be to the point, at a national level of importance, and yet allow Tucson, Arizona, and the nation mourn in peace and solemnity!

Posted by: myonecent | January 12, 2011 4:50 PM | Report abuse

While it's plausible that this man held negative feelings toward Rep. Giffords for many years, it's also perfectly plausible that Palin's campaign and associated imagery is what ultimately drove him to take the next step in committing murder.

Posted by: BrettAZ | January 12, 2011 5:18 PM | Report abuse

The letter SHE sent HIM was from 2007.

There is no way of knowing when he wrote those things on the letter, is there?

Posted by: Arthur2ShedsJackson | January 12, 2011 5:32 PM | Report abuse

You liberals are ridiculous. There is no hate filled rhetoric originating from the right. No one on the right has called for people to physically arm themselves. This is a classic example of projection. Even when it seems almost impossible to tie this loon to the Tea Party, the liberals still manufacture a way.

All doing this should be ashamed. You are not Americans. The only productive result from your hate will be the diminished influence the left carries in this Country.

Posted by: kryan74 | January 12, 2011 5:45 PM | Report abuse

You liberals are ridiculous. There is no hate filled rhetoric originating from the right. No one on the right has called for people to physically arm themselves. This is a classic example of projection. Even when it seems almost impossible to tie this loon to the Tea Party, the liberals still manufacture a way.

All doing this should be ashamed. You are not Americans. The only productive result from your hate will be the diminished influence the left carries in this Country.

Posted by: kryan74 | January 12, 2011 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Most Tea Party wackos came before the Tea Party, too. What's your point?

Posted by: thomasmc1957 | January 12, 2011 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Black GOP chairman resigns due to terrorist threats from Tea Party:

http://www.azcentral.com/community/ahwatukee/articles/2011/01/11/20110111gabrielle-giffords-arizona-shooting-resignations.html#ixzz1AqMYTq70

Posted by: thomasmc1957 | January 12, 2011 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Marc Thiessen should appologize to that GOP Chairman who was terrorized by the Tea Party!

Posted by: thomasmc1957 | January 12, 2011 7:03 PM | Report abuse

"Jared Loughner's hate came before the Tea Party"

LOL

How unbelievably juvenile.
The Tea Party didn't invent hate and anger, they embraced it. Loughner embraced the same principals.
They are zen with each other and this third grade attempt to establish a timeline defense is disgusting.

Posted by: captainkona | January 12, 2011 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Jared may have had a problem long before Sarah and the Tea-Baggers BUT he wasn't shooting people back then. The shootings occurred in present time with Sarah and Tea-Baggers very much in the mix. The combination has been lethal!

Posted by: inewsmaster | January 12, 2011 8:17 PM | Report abuse

"No one on the right has called for people to physically arm themselves."


http://www.pdamerica.org/articles/news/2011-01-11-00-28-19-news.php

http://www.blogforarizona.com/blog/2010/06/jesse-kelly-event-is-this-wording-intentional.html

http://mediamatters.org/research/201003260037


Guess that makes you a liar. Pardon me for not being the least bit surprised.

Posted by: captainkona | January 12, 2011 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Why does anyone have to apologize to Sarah Palin, she is a public figure who may have intentions of running for president so she has to develop a thick skin because people will always be coming after her. That is the nature of the game and she needs to deal with it. Hopefully the people who contradict her will do it without using gun references or symbols that look like crosshairs or humiliating references to a disdain for Jews, but they will say things that express their displeasure with her rhetoric.

Posted by: justgeoff | January 12, 2011 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Dear Leftist Loons,
Clearly, Loughner kept the letter for over three years because he just LOVED the congresswoman. There simply is no other explanation, right? (Sorry, but Thiessen's conclusion is quite credible. But, then, logic isn't in your tiny mental repertoire.)
Clearly, Palin and the Tea Party get you unhinged. (This says a lot about you.) But, then, so did Bush, who elicited hyperbolic, apoplectic scorn and the vilest of threats. (Remember when? Remember "Bushitler", "General Betrayus"? Of course not.)
You are the embodiment of rank hypocrisy and abject simple mindedness. (You are "small" in the most pejorative sense.)

Drive on, Mr. Thiessen. Judging by the fits of madness from your detractors you're clearly on to something (and then some).
PCB

Posted by: pcbrig | January 12, 2011 9:33 PM | Report abuse

It is of course possible that the comments were written on the letter recently, but a Mother Jones article has a friend saying that he was obsessed with Giffords after she blew off a question of his, somthing like, how can governments exist if words have no meaning. That certainly resonates with all his 'writings' available on youtube.

Also, schizophrenia is a progressive disease, there is no need to invoke political 'vitriol' as a contributor to his worsening state. In fact, the evidence is the opposite. Friends say he was a political, didn't listen to news or talk radio, and records show he didn't vote in 2010.

I know you guys really would have liked to have had a right wing villain in this, one with an connection -- however slight -- to Palin or Brewer of the Tea Party. But the evidence just doesn't support any of that.

Posted by: myoung21 | January 13, 2011 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Anyone can spin anything to fit their agenda. If you do this with the Arizona shooting you are as nuts as the shooter.

If we follow the blame Sarah Palin logic -then the hate spewing may set off some imbalanced person to go after her. Oh my, we better tone down the rhetoric.

Cut the partisan crap and grow up.

Posted by: 912anita | January 13, 2011 1:54 AM | Report abuse

"By the way, I am another serious person who believes the Tea Party's (really just the GOP in populist disguise) violent rhetoric has caused the violence in Tucson."

No, you're just another politically-motivated schmuck who's engaged in a lot of fantastic thinking of your own. You're seeing what you want to see, not what is.

Doesn't ANYONE remember the absolutely loathsome political "climate of hate" that was directed at President Bush so recently? The ONLY reason he wasn't assassinated by those legions of nasty, irrational, hate-inspired maniacs is because he had the Secret Service -- and more common sense than holding publicized meetings in parking lots.

If Giffords was actually scared of this "climate of hate" or those crosshairs, she certainly wouldn't have held "Congres on Your Corner." She wasn't concerned then, and we don't need to be concerned now. Combative imagery in politics is as old as democracy itself, and it's not going away.

As it is, the breastbeating and recriminations are all just so much cynical posturing over the bodies of the dead. Sad to say, this is a tactic of every political party -- and every politician who stands to gain from it, most recently our own president speechifying in Tucson. Isn't it a little early for 2012?

Attacking a political figure or movement for a paranoid schizoid's insane actions is risibly grotesque. We'd all like to shut up the people we disagree with, but if this is the way you choose to do it, that equates to being as sick and deluded as Loughner.

Loughner, at least, has no cognizance of his own self-delusion. You, on the other hand, are very much aware that you're peddling a dubious argument based on spurious logic, and yet you persist against mounting evidence to the contrary.

Let's kindly move on. There's nothing to see here, other than fanatics on a soapbox.

Posted by: jcline1 | January 13, 2011 9:52 AM | Report abuse

1/14/2011 at 4:30PM.
To those who seriously believe that this
event had anything to do with conservatism
or tea parties, why don't you go take the
time to inform yourself about this individual's disease and lack of balance
before you go about opening your mouth
and smearing persons because of their
so called beliefs or paranoia !
posted by gregpens.

Posted by: gregpens | January 13, 2011 5:36 PM | Report abuse

1/14/2011 at 4:30PM.
To those who seriously believe that this
event had anything to do with conservatism
or tea parties, why don't you go take the
time to inform yourself about this individual's disease and lack of balance
before you go about opening your mouth
and smearing persons because of their
so called beliefs or paranoia !
posted by gregpens. This was a liberal
attacking another liberal !

Posted by: gregpens | January 13, 2011 5:36 PM | Report abuse

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