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Posted at 12:53 PM ET, 02/17/2011

Bachmann, Boehner, birthers -- oh my!

By Jonathan Capehart

Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) continued an ugly custom practiced by some big-time Republicans on "Good Morning America" today. She refused to knock down the lie widely believed within her party that President Obama is neither a citizen of the United States nor a Christian.

"Well, that's not for me to state," Bachmann told George Stephanopoulos, "that's for the president to state." When asked whether she believes Obama, Bachmann uttered the favored GOP talking point. "Well, I think we should take the president at his word." Sound familiar?

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"The president says he's a Christian," Boehner said. "I accept him at his word." As I wrote on Monday, the obvious implication is that there's a possibility the president might be lying, both about his citizenship and his faith. This is offensive. And it's having an impact on likely voters in the coming Republican primaries.

According to survey results released Tuesday by Public Policy Polling, "Birthers make a majority among those voters who say they're likely to participate in a Republican primary next year." What does that mean? The percentage of Republicans who "say they don't think Barack Obama was born in the United States" rests at 51 percent. Just 28 percent believe the president is a citizen; 21 percent say they are unsure. And here's what makes this result more disturbing: That number is higher than the last time PPP asked that question in August 2009. "[O]nly 44% of Republicans said they thought Obama was born outside the country while 36% said that he definitely was born in the United States," writes Tom Jensen of PPP.

On the question of Obama's faith, a startling Pew Research Center poll last August revealed that the number of Americans believing the president is Muslim jumped from 11 percent in March 2009 to 18 percent in August 2010. Among Republicans, the proportion hit 31 percent, a 14-point spike from March 2009 to August 2010.

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The lie is spreading and taking hold within the GOP, a party whose "leaders" are content to let it spread. The one Republican who has had the guts to squash the lie head-on is Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), who did so as the 2008 presidential nominee during a campaign rally. A supporter expressed concern about Obama, saying disparagingly, "He's an Arab."

McCain, shaking his head, grabs the microphone and says repeatedly, "No, ma'am." And then he proceeded to do what no Republican has bothered to do since: shoot down the lie. "He's a decent, family man, citizen who I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues and that's what this campaign is all about." McCain ends by saying, "He's not." Of course, being an Arab doesn't preclude one from being a decent, family man. But you get what McCain was trying to do. He was trying to put to rest the lie that Obama wasn't a citizen, that he was a sleeper Muslim, that he was alien.

But that was back in 2008. Would that someone in the Republican Party could stand up to this willful ignorance and say, "Enough of this bull$%#@!" What's Gov. Chris Christie (N.J.) up to?

By Jonathan Capehart  | February 17, 2011; 12:53 PM ET
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This is going to come back and bite them. Just like the "old style" Republicans wanted "Tea Party" candidates to beat Democrats. It's not working as they hoped. Just ask Boehner.

Posted by: rlj1 | February 17, 2011 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Liberals online never gave George W. Bush a rest from allegations of stupidity and kleptocracy. Did they believe what goes around would not come around? If you said YES, that is exactly what liberals believed... I might buy it.

Posted by: blasmaic | February 17, 2011 1:04 PM | Report abuse

What an utter, unmitigated slime bag these Republican "leaders" are. This is all code for stoking racial dissension. Obama is that scary "other" for these uneducated, gullible Republican voters - but I don't think even these idiots really believe in the Kenya BS, it's just their socially acceptable way of expressing their distaste that he's not "the right color".

Sickening that the Klan is still so widespread (if underground now), and that the GOP has adopted it as its one true constituency remaining (along with the wealthy elite, of course, but they don't have the voting numbers so others are needed to help rip off the working class).

Posted by: B2O2 | February 17, 2011 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Why would any sane American ever want these crazy repugs to run any part of our Country is beyond my understanding.

Posted by: bayroad22 | February 17, 2011 1:14 PM | Report abuse

The new McCarthyite's, same as the old McCarthyite's except they don't need the liquor. They're just shameless.

Conservatives these days are funny. I used to be a conservative but too many became nutty and rude. I guess their parent's didn't raise them with very good values.

Posted by: affable100 | February 17, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

So, Jonathan Libbleedingheart, how many "lies" did you ask Nancy Pelosi to "knock down"? How many times did you ask Dem leaders to "knock down" the "Bush Lied!" meme?

Since when is it the job of politicos to police what people say? When Ari Fleischer tried to tell people to be careful what they said, suddenly he was chilling free speech.

You lib reporters, er, commentators are unbelievable.

Posted by: uclajd | February 17, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Please. Both parties TOTALLY SUCK!

Posted by: azumaguy | February 17, 2011 1:37 PM | Report abuse

this the way you expect Washington politicians to speak. they are as 2 faced as they come.Never defend your opponent, even if it's the right thing to do.

Posted by: RealConservative | February 17, 2011 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Liberals online never gave George W. Bush a rest from allegations of stupidity and kleptocracy. Did they believe what goes around would not come around? If you said YES, that is exactly what liberals believed... I might buy it.

Posted by: blasmaic | February 17, 2011 1:04 PM | Report abuse

There is a difference between a lie (President Obama not a U.S. citizen) and the truth Bush is an idiot and a liar(Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction/his belief that waterboarding is not torture). KJust the facts.

Posted by: sandman839 | February 17, 2011 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Liberals online never gave George W. Bush a rest from allegations of stupidity and kleptocracy. Did they believe what goes around would not come around? If you said YES, that is exactly what liberals believed... I might buy it.

Posted by: blasmaic | February 17, 2011 1:04 PM | Report abuse

There is a difference between a lie (President Obama not a U.S. citizen) and the truth Bush is an idiot and a liar(Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction/his belief that waterboarding is not torture). Just the facts.

Posted by: sandman839 | February 17, 2011 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are playing a game (which they do very well). The problem with Democrats is they still don't understand the GAME of politics.

If I were a strategist, I'd tell the Dems to use the Republicans' tactics against them.

Republicans say they can't tell Americans what to think. Then Dems should insist the debt is 14 billion (not trillion) in every forum they speak. For one, the stupid American public will start to believe them (because the ignorant American public believes pretty much anything told to them on television), but two, this will catch the Republicans in their own trap. When they realize that yes, we all have to agree to a baseline set of facts (for example, the Earth revolves around the Sun, there are 50 states that make up the United States, the President, by very definition, must be born in America, etc.) or else there will be no ability to debate and compromise on anything, then they will stop playing their silly games.

Also, I'd keep calling every Republican a racist until they can prove otherwise (a Kafkaesque task since Republicans will never be able to satisfy that they aren't racist to the Dems liking). That's how you win, you beat the other team at their own game.

Posted by: sachancp | February 17, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Oh, let's always brand people we disagree with as Nazis or the Klan. Now THAT is shameless and designed to suppress discussion. Remember our President asked to tone down the rhetoric? that goes for both sides of the aisle. I agree the birther thing is stupid but enough of the name-calling, we are all Americans.

Posted by: azumaguy | February 17, 2011 1:44 PM | Report abuse

How do people explain things like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBJihJBePcs

How is it that Hawaii still cannot provide the "long form" Birth Certificate? How is it that Barack's own Grandmother is on record saying he was born in her village?

The ONLY credible counter-claim to the whole "birth" issue is that Hillary Clinton is about as ambitious a politician as there is, and I would think that if BO was not a citizen, she would have exposed it somehow during the Democratic Primary.

Posted by: tjfanaticus | February 17, 2011 1:45 PM | Report abuse

These people also apparently believe that there is no global warming, that Iraq had WMD's, that spending money on a designer war had no real costs associated with it, that Thomas Jefferson should be written out of textbooks, that corporations should choose our leaders and run the country, that all US citizens should carry assualt rifles and be Christian, and that healthcare should be available only to those with $. Nice people.

Posted by: Yknotall | February 17, 2011 1:46 PM | Report abuse

sachancp writes "Also, I'd keep calling every Republican a racist until they can prove otherwise (a Kafkaesque task since Republicans will never be able to satisfy that they aren't racist to the Dems liking). That's how you win, you beat the other team at their own game."

Sweet! (not) Can't we get past party warfare? THIS is why I detest both political parties and many people feel the same way.

Posted by: azumaguy | February 17, 2011 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Blasmaic says:
"Liberals online never gave George W. Bush a rest from allegations of stupidity and kleptocracy. Did they believe what goes around would not come around?"

Please - did you sleep through the Clinton years?? Or maybe you're too young to remember? This hardly started with Bush.

And might I remind you that it was under Bush that we got into two unfunded wars, one of them completely unnecessary, and that on his watch the economy tanked, and nearly brought down the entire world?

There's a bit of justification for denigrating his intelligence.

Posted by: Pamsm | February 17, 2011 1:47 PM | Report abuse

So according to Jonathan Capehart and the rest of the libers, it is not enough to say "Well, I think we should take the president at his word." Come on what more do you want if not to take the President at his word. Then how should we take it? Why won't you who think Obama is holy then thou ask him to silence his critics once and for all by showing concrete, irrefutable proof. Maybe its because people are so use to all the false half truths coming out of our Government that people are afraid of what just might be the truth.

This is so simple to end, but not just to dismiss. This is how simple it is. I too was born in Hawaii a few years before Obama. My mom has old photos of her and I with the doctor who delivered me. We know the doctors name, we know what hospital it was. We had many family members come to see us in the hospital, there's pictures of this. We still have the hospital tags. My children were all born in Hawaii, I explicitly remember details of their births, where it was, who was around, what hospital, what time of the day, what we were doing before hand, and the excitement and anxiety of the moments. We also have many pictures. That is how simple this thing is and how easily this can be put to rest. But it is not for others to have to put it to rest. The burden sits with Barack Obama. He is the one in the lime light, the elected President of these United States. The burden of proof is on him. But if he won't "stoop" to the level of simply showing substantiated proof then the only thing left for anyone is to "take the president at his word".

Posted by: hanocul6 | February 17, 2011 1:48 PM | Report abuse

"These people" is an intentionally de-humanizing phrase.

Posted by: azumaguy | February 17, 2011 1:49 PM | Report abuse

After he completes his 2nd term of office, I REALLY hope Obama's first book is:

"I am a Kenyan Muslim: stories of a grand conspiracy that worked!!!".

It would be a best seller. If only Carlin were still alive to help him write it.

Posted by: Greent | February 17, 2011 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Do these birther, teabagger, rightwingnut drooling idiots really not understand that if Obama was not a citizen, George Bush, Dick Cheney, John McCain, or Hillary Clinton would have uncovered that fact at some point?

Really, you people are beyond moronic. Or, you're just trying whatever you can to delegitimize the president.

Either way, you blow.

Posted by: Observer691 | February 17, 2011 1:54 PM | Report abuse

well, according to the chart,10-12% of democrats think obama is a muslim and 31-45% of democrats don't have a clue.21% of liberals weren't sure in 09 now it's up to 31%.so just who is so smart here that they can set us all straight?

Posted by: alamodefender | February 17, 2011 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Jonathan Capeheart columns:

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Yutz.

Posted by: etpietro | February 17, 2011 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Jonathan Capeheart columns:


Click!

Yutz.

Posted by: etpietro | February 17, 2011 1:56 PM | Report abuse

uclajd:
"How many times did you ask Dem leaders to "knock down" the "Bush Lied!" meme?"
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I got a news flashj for you knucklehead - Bush did lie. Try reading Rummy's book - they decided to invade Iraq hours after the 9/11 attacks - not because of some none existant WMD.

They only way you Repubs have any chance to win is to LIE.

Death pannels? Obama is a muslem out to out to destroy America?

How about an explanation of the Repubs bait-and-switch from the defict into spending? What a PR move - months we hear abpout the defict - the defict - the deficet - then them slyly morph it inot "spending!"

You Repubs are totally lacking of any kind of personel honor at all aren't you? Any lie will do no matter how horrible or false - "who am I to telll people what to think" - bull - they tell you what to think everyday on Fox News and you morons eat it up.

Your a bunch of mindless corporate slaves who will eatup any lie tossed your way by them!

You all have no hornor at all. Your a disgrace.

Posted by: gooch733 | February 17, 2011 1:57 PM | Report abuse

This article is just an extension of the liberal dumbing down of America; starting with Clinton's "it all depends on what "is" is". The Constitution no longer matters, and the Democratic Party is destroying America.

Posted by: surefooted_1 | February 17, 2011 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Do these birther, teabagger, rightwingnut drooling idiots really not understand that if Obama was not a citizen, George Bush, Dick Cheney, John McCain, or Hillary Clinton would have uncovered that fact at some point?

Really, you people are beyond moronic. Or, you're just trying whatever you can to delegitimize the president.

Either way, you blow."

DO YOU EVEN READ THE BS YOU WRITE? What a sophomoric, partisan point of view. I am trying hard not to call you names but your writing begs for an adult response.

"Either way, you blow."

Now that's a very helpful comment.

Posted by: azumaguy | February 17, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I think it's important to remember that Republicans didn't invent this issue, Obama's family and other alleged witnesses did. As far as the way the Rep leaders are answering the question, I think they are answering truthfully, "If that's what he says" because how should they know.

You can get a short form birth certificate for a dog these days, the only difference is the dogs family won't dispute it.

Posted by: Databyter | February 17, 2011 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I'll tell you why conservatives don't care: because it's so freaking funny to watch liberals get upset about it. Did any Democratic leaders in the House or Senate defend Bush against allegations of stupidity? No. Does Obama deserve defense from the right? Under that precedent set by liberals, no.

Posted by: vthokie407 | February 17, 2011 2:00 PM | Report abuse


sandman839, well you can spend a lot of time proving Obama is a citizen and a Christian.

The truth is, Obama had Mark Penn fired for saying he was vulnerable on theses types of issues. And then Obama took no steps to cover himself from the attacks he is sustaining today.

Every president in our lifetimes has been attacked for being culturally out of step with America.

JFK- too Catholic.
LBJ- too Texas.
Nixon- uncool.
Ford-
Carter- too moralistic.
Reagan- too Hollywood.
Bush- two middle names.
Clinton- two terms.
Bush- religious zealot.
Obama- too exotic.

Politics ain't beanbag.

Posted by: blasmaic | February 17, 2011 2:00 PM | Report abuse

The outrageous ignorance, the deliberate stupidity, the calculated naivete of some of this thread -- seriously, you have to purposefully chose to believe that Obama wasn't born in this country against the tidal wave of evidence that he was -- is sad, shocking, and typical of the pathetic state of certain people in this country. Anyone who choses to be a birther is a disgrace to whatever education he's received, a disgrace to common decency, and a disgrace to this country. Shame on Boehner for being a coward. Shame on Bachmann for being not just a coward, but the deliberate deliverer of lies. And shame on every one of you who believe this birther crap.

Posted by: Jayne | February 17, 2011 2:01 PM | Report abuse

For the eleventy billionth time, it does not matter where Barack Obama was born or who was his father. His mother was a US citizen, ergo he is a US citizen. End.

Posted by: northgs | February 17, 2011 2:03 PM | Report abuse

to all,

imVho, BHO brought this all on himself. = NOBODY else is to blame that this "controversy" has NOT been "put to bed" once & for all time.

EVERY single candidate for POTUS since 1976 has opened their personal/medical/tax/business records to the press EXCEPT for BHO.
(VPOTUS Joe Biden immediately, when asked, opened his records to public scrutiny.)

while i think that "the birthers" are "COMPLETELY NUTS", i also believe that BHO is hiding "something embarrassing" from the public.
i suspect, but do NOT know, that what he is hiding is that his parents were not married at the time of his birth OR that they never married.
(IF i am correct, it is NOT his fault, regardless of what his parents did/didn't do.)


yours, TN46
coordinator, CCTPP

Posted by: texasnative46 | February 17, 2011 2:04 PM | Report abuse

sure_footed:1:
"This article is just an extension of the liberal dumbing down of America; starting with Clinton's "it all depends on what "is" is". The Constitution no longer matters, and the Democratic Party is destroying America... Blah Blah Blah"
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You are ether delibertly ignorant of even the most basic facts or you are a LIER.

What a shoch - another Republican who is totally ignorant and lacking of any sense of honor - as in telling the truth.

Destroying America? It is you conservatives who are trying to Downsize America and the American Dream!

60 of those house seats you all won last fall are swing seats carried by Obama - moderate mixed districts - we'll see how well these crazy Republican lies play in those places.

Even the old moderate Republican pols all now agree - the Republican party has gone insane. They have turned into a bunch of mad dogs. And they all have fleas.

Posted by: gooch733 | February 17, 2011 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: blasmaic:

"Liberals online never gave George W. Bush a rest from allegations of stupidity and kleptocracy. Did they believe what goes around would not come around? If you said YES, that is exactly what liberals believed... I might buy it."
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Sorry, blasmaic, GW is and was a spoiled self-centered playboy of little substance, and was a disgrace to the Presidency.

AND only ignorant idiots still think that Obama isn't a U.S. Citizen! FACT!

Posted by: lufrank1 | February 17, 2011 2:07 PM | Report abuse

It has been a Republican strategy from day 1 to never allow President Obama to be right and to seek every opportunity to marginalize his presidency. Key to this strategy is to inflame the lunatic fringe elements, of which the right wing has an alarming number, and have them spew out their venomous lies. The danger to the Republican party is that the likes of Michelle Bachmann could become the presiding voice of the party. Fortunately, I still believe that there is enough sanity in the electorate to keep these people out of office.

Posted by: Denny_98 | February 17, 2011 2:10 PM | Report abuse

"The burden sits with Barack Obama. He is the one in the lime light, the elected President of these United States."

So why doesn't he produce more proof (beyond the birth certificate that he posted on his Web site? Well, gee, let's see now...

Maybe because it's beneath his dignity to bother answering the lunatic fringe?

Maybe because wingnuts have already taken this to court more than once and had it thrown out for lack of merit?

Maybe because Hawaiian officials have confirmed that his birth records are there?

Maybe because it doesn't matter - his mother was a US citizen and that makes him one, too - no matter where he was born?

Maybe because HE'S GOT BETTER THINGS TO DO?

Jeeze, people, give it up!

Posted by: Pamsm | February 17, 2011 2:12 PM | Report abuse

It is time to put the "birther" issue to rest. Time to understand that the issue under Article 2 of the Constitution does not have much to do with where President Obamma was born. Instead, it has everything to do with which allegiance was transferred to him from his parents, immediately upon birth.

This was the issue that the Senate discussed when the challenge to John McCain's qualification was discussed on a motion put forward by, then Senators Clinton and Obama. The decision (around April 2008) of the Senate was that McCain was a "nbc" because both his parents were U.S. citizens at the time of his birth even though he was born in the Panama region.

Maybe there is another method by which one beomes a natural born citizen rather than just being a "native born" citizen.

Posted by: CalP | February 17, 2011 2:12 PM | Report abuse

g.w. wouldn't have listened to the racial hate spewing of obamas'main man,jeremia wright for 10 seconds,much less for 20 YEARS.how would it look for the tea party to allow mr. wright to speak at one of their events and what would mr. capeheart have to report about that?

Posted by: alamodefender | February 17, 2011 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Republicans watch Fox News way too much. That will warp your brain. Republicans dribble such as this appeals to that 10 percent of Americans who believe Obama is the antichrist or an alien or whatever.

When Obama was born, both Honolulu newspapers carried his birth announcement. I bet liberal communist democrats built a time machine and planted those newspaper articles. Well, can you prove to me that didn't happen? Oh Glenn Beck, here is another story for you!

Posted by: anonymousreader2 | February 17, 2011 2:17 PM | Report abuse

"Birthers make a majority among those voters who say they're likely to participate in a Republican primary next year."
I enjoy a good psychotic break as much as the next person, but I try not to allow fantasy to affect my voting. Not since I realized Raygun was just telling us what we wanted to hear.

Posted by: Capn0ok1 | February 17, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

These people are delibertly ignorant.

No matter what you say they will not believe you.

"You just got to believe"

Facts don't matter in the Republican Bizzaro universe - Up is Down, Black is White, Wrong is Right.

And the Republican Party is responsible for them and will pay the price for joining with these morons in the efforts to take Obama down any way they can and the country be dammed.

Yeah that's just what this country needs - more of these delibertly ignorant liers being the "deciders" again!

And no the Dems didnot rise up to defend poor Dubya from all those people who said he was and idiot. Because he was an idiot!

Contrary to the assertions from some - you do not have any right in the Constution to be a moron.

Truth is coin of any Demoracy - and the Republicans are totally bankrupt.

Posted by: gooch733 | February 17, 2011 2:23 PM | Report abuse


Sorry, blasmaic, GW is and was a spoiled self-centered playboy of little substance, and was a disgrace to the Presidency.

AND only ignorant idiots still think that Obama isn't a U.S. Citizen! FACT!


Posted by: lufrank1 | February 17, 2011 2:07 PM | Report abuse

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Well, your definition of "ignorant idiots" comprises 51 percent of GOP primary voters. That's a serious chunk of the population, assuming primary voters reflect general election voters is roughly equal numbers. Of course, primary voters are more activist, to some degree, so it is a rough estimate.

Some conservatives are cloaking a race response to Obama in questioning his qualifications to hold the office. That's about as legit as blacks cloaking a money issue in a discrimination complaint. It happens.

You needn't tell me "sorry." If you dislike the quality of the debate, you have no one but yourselves to blame.

Posted by: blasmaic | February 17, 2011 2:24 PM | Report abuse

do you folks spewing hatred for "tea baggers"on this thread have any evidence of a tea bagger posting anything here?DO YOU REALISE how intelligent that makes you?WELL SHAZAM!

Posted by: alamodefender | February 17, 2011 2:26 PM | Report abuse

"Liberals online never gave George W. Bush a rest from allegations of stupidity and kleptocracy. Did they believe what goes around would not come around? If you said YES, that is exactly what liberals believed... I might buy it."

The Problem with most folks playing partisan politics, they believe in the tit-for-tat attitude.

Since the general Public believes the previous president em braces torture and igonarce, they believe that allows them to act ugly and i fact is the purpose behind their fervor.

I guess the approach of two wrongs do not make a right fails the conservative religious right at any level.

Your poor actions are in no way related to anyone else's actions or else you lack any substance.

I still hold President Bush is ignorant and embraces torture, as they are proven, i.e. lack of science and water boarding people for any reason.

President Obama was born in America, his Mother is an America citizen, and yet they ask about his birth right. The birthers also complain they do not know his religion. GOOD.

I think Christians are too judgemental and should SHUT UP and act in a manner consistent with their bible and prayers and respect others religious choices in the process of living their own lives.

I am Buddhist and encourage the President to NOT answer your questions regarding his religion. I think the GOP needs to prove they actually practice ANY religion, as the words and actions are inconsistent with one antoher, i.e. liars, as being Christian.

Read your own bible and live the words of your own bible, if you ever could.

Posted by: patmatthews | February 17, 2011 2:30 PM | Report abuse

It is not for the President to refute something so asinine as this. The entire intelligence structure in America would have to be complicit. Obama would have to outsmart some of the greatest agencies the world has ever seen. The naysayers do themselves and this country a disservice when they pedal such nonsense. From the first African to learn how to read to Jackie Robinson in baseball and now President Obama. Whites have reacted violently and irrationally to Blacks crossing the color line. This is no different, Ya'll will get over it. Your principle was lost during the Bush years. Thank God ole George was such an inept President. You all kept your mouth shut!

Posted by: minco_007 | February 17, 2011 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Post Partisan is wrong. I have not submitted comments to thge Washington Post for quite some time now because I was busy with an important matter. I doubt, sincerely that this is the reason why my comment was not published. The comment was not facetious, nor was it insulting. It dealt with facts, and it also called for an end to the birther issue.

Posted by: CalP | February 17, 2011 2:32 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans must de-legitimize Obama just as they tried to do with Clinton.

The must totally destroy him, and the country be DAMMED, otherwise they face decades of minority status. After all the conservative ideas put into place by the most conservative president in history all failed - totally, completely, the only chance they have is to destroy Obama and the Democrats, de-legitimize them in the eyes of the public - as America destroying, christian hating, anti-white radicals.

It's a hard sell when all you have in your arsenel is a bunch of puney lies to back it all up with.

Posted by: gooch733 | February 17, 2011 2:33 PM | Report abuse

It is ALL ON OBAMA.

he can end this.

about 25% of eligible voters are "birthers"

cannot simply dismiss this many people.

this many people deserve real answers.

Posted by: docwhocuts | February 17, 2011 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I love the line about nobody defended Bush from the comments that he was stupid, well that's because he was stupid, as were those who voted for him, as are those who think Obama isn't a U.S. citizen. Hell, anybody who makes less than 250K a year and votes GOP is as good as brain dead.

Posted by: gr8fullted | February 17, 2011 2:36 PM | Report abuse

The requirement that the President be born in the USA was written in to prevent European royalty from placing their spare princes into the office.

Sorry, Harry Windsor.

Posted by: blasmaic | February 17, 2011 2:37 PM | Report abuse

TO JAYNE, THEIR IS A TIDAL WAVE ALRIGHT.it just isn't evidence.to gooch,we live in a republic,not a democracy.to sandman, if this is so @#^$#@ stupid,why can't you just ignore it? who are you so desperate to convince? capeheart stirred this pot,jump him.no conservatives came ringing your door bell,he did.

Posted by: alamodefender | February 17, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse

There is one absolute unquestionable truth about this here article and others like it. 51% polled are absolutely, with out question, NOT going to vote for Obama or any one backing his policies. And I bet the numbers are growing. The proof is in the pudding. HA!

Posted by: hanocul6 | February 17, 2011 2:47 PM | Report abuse

No one -- NO ONE ever asked to see W's birth certificate. Or his father's. Or Clinton's. Or Johnson's. Or Kennedy's. Or Eisenhower's. Or McCain's. Or Palin's.
No one ever asked them to prove they were Christian. Or implied they weren't.
Why not?
Because they are white.
'Nuff said.

Posted by: Victoria27 | February 17, 2011 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I realize now that my comment posted at 2:32 p.m. was not necessary and I apologize for it. However, it was a reaction to a statement that appeared when I tried to make the post at 2:12 p.m., which I now know was actually piblished.

Posted by: CalP | February 17, 2011 2:48 PM | Report abuse

docwhocuts:
"about 25% of eligible voters are "birthers"

cannot simply dismiss this many people.

this many people deserve real answers."
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Yes and a majority of Americans also voted for Bush - twice.

31% of Republicans still think Dubya did a "great job".

Even after 8 years of Dubya in office, the diaster s in Iraq, New Orleans, and the banks the morons gathered for the 2008 CPAC meeting were cheering him - shouting "4 more years!"

It tales a very strong, special kind of stupidity for any American to cheer for $ more Years of Bush!

These people are complete idiots. We should not only dismiss them we need to lock a lot of them up and throw away the keys. If they aren't they all need to go on some kinds of meds - and now.

And take their guns away!! They just might be too stupid to be allowed to own, use or posses firearms (or sharp objects)!

Or to be allowed to vote!
We not only need to dismiss these

Posted by: gooch733 | February 17, 2011 2:50 PM | Report abuse

The big lies and propaganda! Republicans should be ashamed of themselves. But let's face it, they have been swift-boating Democrats since they basically rendered John Kerry a traitor during the Vietnam War even though the men, the only eyewitnesses, on his boat stood behind him in support of his courage.

Obama's birth credentials and professed faith are out there for all to see. However, those who listen to Bachmann, Boehner, and others prefer to listen to their own small world of news brought to them by the Becks and Limbaughs of this world. They will not listen to Obama or look at the real evidence for "fear" that they may have to change their minds. Not only do these pathetic people have great fears, they fear the truth. My Bible teaches that to know the truth is to set one free. I have chosen to use "truth" with its fullest and most amplifying meaning. Like Obama, I try to be optimistic about the end result. I believe that truth will win. For those who ignore the truth, may they enjoy their visit before the great throne judgment of Almighty God.

Posted by: EarlC | February 17, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Victoria27

They didn't ask because it was already proven and open for public record. And that's because they are honest people. 'Nuff said!

Posted by: hanocul6 | February 17, 2011 2:52 PM | Report abuse

If you keep lying enough, it will work.

Just ask Fox and its MSM handmaidens.

Posted by: tony_in_Durham_NC | February 17, 2011 2:55 PM | Report abuse

There is one absolute unquestionable truth about this here article and others like it. 51% polled are absolutely, with out question, NOT going to vote for Obama or any one backing his policies. And I bet the numbers are growing. The proof is in the pudding. HA!

Posted by: hanocul6 | February 17, 2011

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Yawn!!

Sit down and shut up Teabagger!

Posted by: TheChampisheretoo | February 17, 2011 2:56 PM | Report abuse

the republic party let the genie out of the bottle, they must now deal with the ignorance and stupidity of the teabaggers and the their ever present racists, and yes sane americans are noticing what a bunch of m0r0ns are running the country now.

Posted by: calif-joe | February 17, 2011 3:00 PM | Report abuse

EarlC; you are going on "blind" faith. That is the problem, Obama's records are not out there for all to see. And frankly it is not about his records, it is about honesty. His policies today are shady. Just as his affiliations were shady. He could never answer directly when asked about them. He side stepped the issues then and he dances around them now.

Posted by: hanocul6 | February 17, 2011 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I would actually vote for a Republicant who is honest and not a hypocrit. But I've never had the chance. Most echo what Fox tells them to say. It's easier than thinking.

Posted by: COLEBRACKETT | February 17, 2011 3:10 PM | Report abuse

TheChampisheretoo: Guess you are lost for words. Thumbsucker!

Posted by: hanocul6 | February 17, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Hanocul6 said: "They didn't ask because it was already proven and open for public record. And that's because they are honest people. 'Nuff said!"

Really?? Proven? Where and when did you EVER see a birth certificate for any of those other presidents? Nowhere. Never. They never needed "proof" because no one ever even THOUGHT of asking to see them. And that, I'll bet, is because you and others like you didn't feel you needed to. Why not? Again, I will say it is because they are white. And being white is all the proof you need to know they are true-blue Americans.

Posted by: Victoria27 | February 17, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Hey, every single vote counts -well in most places anyway- and if the Rs. can get a few more votes out of questioning Obama's religion and birth well they will do so.

What a bunch of slimebags.

Posted by: caseyb1 | February 17, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

gr8fullted;progressing to communism i see,let us know how that works out. p.s.the liberals telling you how to think are RICH,you are their SUBJECT. that means serf,peon;etc. didn't want to confuse you.the rest of us will continue with this new concept. it is called earning.

Posted by: alamodefender | February 17, 2011 3:19 PM | Report abuse

There needs to be a follow up question - How many of the people who think he is not born in the US know that Hawaii is a state.

Posted by: mornglo44 | February 17, 2011 3:19 PM | Report abuse

What difference does it make whether Obama is a Christian or not? All we should care is whether he is a good president, and he could be an Athiest and be a good president.

However, what I don't understand is why Obama doesn't show proof of his birth place, by showing the long form of his birth certificate. If he has nothing to hide, he should come forward with the proof. From what I understand, he has only shown a copy of the short form, but not the real thing. What is his problem? Doesn't Obama know that as long as he keeps his birth place a mystery, the Republicans will continue to hound him, and that is a distraction to the country? If he intends to run again, he should dispel all doubts by showing his "real birth certificate"--not a copy.

Posted by: fridaolay | February 17, 2011 3:23 PM | Report abuse


No one -- NO ONE ever asked to see W's birth certificate. Or his father's. Or Clinton's. Or Johnson's. Or Kennedy's. Or Eisenhower's. Or McCain's. Or Palin's.
No one ever asked them to prove they were Christian. Or implied they weren't.
Why not?

Because they are white.
'Nuff said.

Posted by: Victoria27 | February 17, 2011 2:47 PM | Report abuse

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Regarding the birth certificate, are you sure about that? Maybe it was just never an important issue before, but that doesn't mean it wasn't checked and verified before the election was certified.

Of course, Dubya was harassed for years about the Florida recount, and people said he was unqualified to serve because he had not won the election. People said McCain and Reagan were too old, so they had to prove their health.

Plenty of presidents have had their religion scrutinized -- George W. Bush and John F. Kennedy are two easy examples.

People also cited the contrast between Reagan's fundamentalist support and his lack of church attendance and divorce. Gerald Ford was a staunch believer in seperation of church and state, while Carter was the favorite of southern evangelicals in 1976.

I'm not aware that anyone has asked Obama to prove his Christianity. There's just a lot of people who say they think he is or might be a Muslim, for whatever reason.

I can't see that he's getting any worse treatment than anyone else who's held the job.

Posted by: blasmaic | February 17, 2011 3:23 PM | Report abuse

how about how many think his mom hopped a plane to this hawaii place with her newborn,rushed to the hospital,and said he was born at home?that would explain the strange "new birth" papers.

Posted by: alamodefender | February 17, 2011 3:26 PM | Report abuse

There is one absolute unquestionable truth about this here article and others like it. 51% polled are absolutely, with out question, NOT going to vote for Obama or any one backing his policies. And I bet the numbers are growing. The proof is in the pudding. HA!

Posted by: hanocul6 | February 17, 2011

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Knucklehead - you should try reading the article.

51% of Republicans who are most likely to vote in the Republican primary.

In that yes those 51% are dumber than dirt and I aagree - I don't think they would vote for Jesus Christ himself if he ran as a Democrat (or if he was balck)!

Facts don't matter to that 51% of those Republicans most likely to vote. More proof the Republican party has gone INSANE.

You moron!

Posted by: gooch733 | February 17, 2011 3:30 PM | Report abuse

victoria27, yes they did,but they had one.#2,they didn't attend a hate america and whitie church so no one cared.

Posted by: alamodefender | February 17, 2011 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Victoria27,

are you REALLY stupid enough to believe the FOOLISHNESS that you posted above
OR
do you hope that your readers are that DUMB?

if you are, we people "with a normal-range IQ" will just feel sorry for your mental disability.

a personal note: ONE of the reasons that the Democrats are DYING, as a major political party, is that MANY moderate to conservative people do NOT want to associate with thugs, antisemites, crooked union "leaders", bigots, clue-LESS FOOLS & race-baiters.

yours, TN46
coordinator, CCTPP

Posted by: texasnative46 | February 17, 2011 3:42 PM | Report abuse

gooch, it certainly means that 2013 is going to be a bad year. for liberal,progressive,communists. p.s. proof reading might help.we can only hope.

Posted by: alamodefender | February 17, 2011 3:43 PM | Report abuse

@alamodefender: So his mother -- herself a white American, born in Kansas, raised in Hawaii -- knew that someday her son would run for president... so she hustled herself onto a plane, raced back home to Hawaii, and lied to the public records people? If she was that prescient and conniving, wouldn't she have just not left the country in the first place??! I mean, come on, people! Where's the proof that she was ever even IN Kenya? That she ever even visited the country?? Pictures? Newspaper articles?

@Blasmaic: Yes, maybe all presidents have their birth certificates checked and verified before the election. If that's the case, I'm sure Obama did too. But there was never a national movement of people saying Bush wasn't born in the U.S. Show us your birth certificate, W! No one filed suit to make him prove his place of birth. Or any of the others.

But your other examples aren't strong enough.

Yes, a lot was made of JFK being Catholic. The first Catholic president. Some wouldn't vote for him because of it. But no one doubted he was Catholic.

Every president has to prove their health -- they all have to get that annual check up and release the results. (Which I happen to think is pretty ridiculous, but that's another issue).

@mornglo44: I think you said it best: how many of these loony birthers even know (or believe) Hawaii is a state??!

Bottom line, if he had been born anywhere but on American soil, a rival Democrat or Republican would have been all over it. It simply is not true.

Posted by: Victoria27 | February 17, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Here's the burdon of proof for 'birthers'
to meet: prove that Obama's mom ever was in Africa. I'm waiting.

Posted by: WiseUpAmerica | February 17, 2011 4:04 PM | Report abuse

And these are the guys who want us to let them run the government? It is interesting to watch them botch it. Can't wait until 2012 when we get to vote them into retirement.

Posted by: edwardatvienna | February 17, 2011 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Bachmann, Boehner and birthers.

Lots of B-s.

It all boils done to b-b-babble.

How did our politics get this insane? I lay at Reagan's feet when he obstructed FCC enforcement of the right-wing propaganda machine.

Reagan turned the likes of Rush Limbaugh loose on a society at first shocked such a hateful man could get away with saying those blatantly false and inflammatory things about good people, our good nation and everyone who disagreed with him.

Reagan, a man who pictured himself as the grandest tycoon and power-broker of the robber baron eras, had to do it if the right-wing message was going to be heard because it challenged reality itself.

Then the Limbaugh wannabes came out of the woodwork, and there was no way to stop them. Now the less-than-accurate, inflammatory, divisive right-wing message is the norm.

And the destruction of our society will not end until we can reclaim the media as a people again.

I also blame the Democrats. They haven't got the leadership or the balls to stand up to any of the right-wingers and haven't since Tip O'Neill retired.

Posted by: PoliticalPrisoner2012 | February 17, 2011 4:15 PM | Report abuse

The president needs to come clean. O'bama was clearly born in Ireland!

Posted by: chopin224 | February 17, 2011 4:20 PM | Report abuse

It's not up to The Press to say that Republicans aren't Liars, Bigots, Racists and Corporate Lackeys.

What IS true is that Obama was elected (not appointed) by a large majority of voters to fix the mess Bush made of things. He is the Commander in Chief of the U.S.A. and fulfills all the Constitutional requirements of the job. If the above-mentioned Republicans don't like it, they can put down their guns and pick up the ballot.

Posted by: thebobbob | February 17, 2011 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Hey, media, why do you keep asking this stupid question; and what answer is sufficient?

Did the media ever ask Democrats why so many fellow leftists were 'truthers' and believed George Bush was behind the 9/11 attacks? ...and hold all Democrats responsible for polls showing at one point 30-40% of moonbatty Dems were truthers?

Is the media shilling for the Democrats?
Yes.

Posted by: bobdame | February 17, 2011 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Yep, as I noted in my last post, birthers and their fellow travelers are either ignorant morons or deliberately stirring up ignorant morons.

Either way, they can be safely ignored, since none of them would vote for Obama anyway. He will crush them.

Posted by: Observer691 | February 17, 2011 4:30 PM | Report abuse

What's it matter. I don't find the Republican's credible on anything they say.

Posted by: chucko2 | February 17, 2011 4:30 PM | Report abuse

But your other examples aren't strong enough.

Yes, a lot was made of JFK being Catholic. The first Catholic president. Some wouldn't vote for him because of it. But no one doubted he was Catholic.

Every president has to prove their health -- they all have to get that annual check up and release the results. (Which I happen to think is pretty ridiculous, but that's another issue).


Posted by: Victoria27 | February 17, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse

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Well those examples aren't strong enough for you, but for others they may be enough. The degree of intensity may differ, but the general quality of the attack is the same -- a person is either unqualified to serve for electoral reasons (locale of birth or debacle in Florida), or too different from American mainstream religion. I believe Obama isn't taking flack that's new or worse than others have faced.

Remember, JFK had to overcome the allegation that his religion would make him unable to serve America and the Pope too. That's not a trivial allegation today, and it was an even greater hurdle in 1960. Would you ever vote to put the pope's finger on the nuclear button? That's how the issue was framed.

I believe Obama is more vulnerable for his association to Chicago corruption or his Harvard elitism. Such attacks can't be defended with an allegation of religious or racial bigotry. But the tea party prefers to go with the birthplace and religion attacks.

Posted by: blasmaic | February 17, 2011 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Jonathon... the poll results don't mean that more believe the lie; the data indicate to me that the intelligent people who don't need to be told what to think by drug-addled blowhards (aka dittoheads) simply no longer identify themselves as repugnant ones.

Posted by: Darr247 | February 17, 2011 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Point 1 - The one Republican who has had the guts to squash the lie head-on is Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), who did so as the 2008 presidential nominee during a campaign rally.

And God Bless John McCain for doing this. I'll give him a pass on lots of things for this simple decent, honorable and honest act

Glenn Beck talks about "restoring honor" to our country.

Where is the honor in taking advantage of people who count on you, as their elected representatives, to tell our citizens the truth?

Point 2 - You can get a short form birth certificate for a dog these days, the only difference is the dogs family won't dispute it.

Posted by: Databyter | February 17, 2011 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Oh my gosh - there is no such freaking thing as a short form birth certificate or a long form birth certificate. Each state has different rules regarding the issuance of birth certificates, and they can change them at any time.

Do you ever stop for a minute to think about what must be true in order for these claims about President Obama's place of birth to be true? Do you? (I know, you're going to have to get out the tin foil hat and crayolas to draw this picture out for yourselves, but do it; it's worth the time)

We interrupt this rant for a brief intermission of truth:

"Yes and a majority of Americans also voted for Bush - twice."

Well, actually, no they didn't. More people voted for Al Gore in 2000.

And now, for a second interruption to spread some knowledge.

"a personal note: ONE of the reasons that the Democrats are DYING, as a major political party, is that MANY moderate to conservative people do NOT want to associate with thugs, antisemites, crooked union "leaders", bigots, clue-LESS FOOLS & race-baiters."

Well first and perhaps foremost, how is this a "personal" note? Who is it personal to? You?

But, really, what you are saying is not true; yes, in fact, the Democratic party in Texas is nowhere near as strong as it used to be, but the Democratic party is not really shrinking or becoming obselete. Check out some folks that are 20-25 right now. You'll find what I'm saying to be true.

Please don't knock my neighbor in Texas too terribly much. Texans are wonderful and friendly people that will give you the shirt off their back.

They are not, however, very intersted in facts regarding politics and our government. They'll tell you how they feel, and you'll just wonder what country and planet they've been living in or on.

Enough, though.

A personal plea. People on the right, what has gotten into you? Where do you get your information from? I could rebut 80% of the claims that you have made on this post after drinking a bottle of Jack Daniels. What is it with you folks? Surely you really don't believe all the doom and gloom trash that you hear at your local bar, do you? Does it make you feel better to spout a whole bunch of trash about people that you don't know?

Why do you hate America?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 17, 2011 4:39 PM | Report abuse

How is it that Hawaii still cannot provide the "long form" Birth Certificate? How is it that Barack's own Grandmother is on record saying he was born in her village?


Posted by: tjfanaticus
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his grandmother said no such thing. for those who listen to her entire interview, she says he was born in the US

there is no such thing as the "long form" birth certificate, so HI can't produce one for Obama or for anyone else, for that matter. the term itself is gibberish. states GENERATE BCs on request when people order them for themselves. States don't make an extra copy for themselves to keep, long or short. BC's used to be longer than they are now simply because states used to put more information from their source documents on BCs. They don't any more because it only makes more information available for identity theft that is irrelevant to the purpose of a BC. The state where I was born issued long ones in 1953, the year I was born. They issue short ones now. They don't have another copy, and wouldn't generate another long one for me now if I begged (they'd have to find a typewriter and a fountain pen for starters, and change the regulation regarding what information goes on a BC).
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However, what I don't understand is why Obama doesn't show proof of his birth place, by showing the long form of his birth certificate. If he has nothing to hide, he should come forward with the proof. From what I understand, he has only shown a copy of the short form, but not the real thing. What is his problem? Doesn't Obama know that as long as he keeps his birth place a mystery, the Republicans will continue to hound him, and that is a distraction to the country? If he intends to run again, he should dispel all doubts by showing his "real birth certificate"--not a copy.

Posted by: fridaolay
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where to begin. the BC he has displayed is an original, not a copy. It is a real BC, nothing less. Neither he, nor the state of HI can produce a longer one. THERE IS NO SUCH THING. If he had ordered one in 1961 or shortly thereafter, it would have been longer, simply because BCs were longer then.

all this nonsense stems from people who look in their scrapbooks and see BCs that look fancier than Obamas. Order one now and see what it looks like. Anyone who has had to order one to get admitted to the state bar, get a passport, or get their child on an AAU basketball team has paid the money to the state of birth and gotten the one and only BC the state will issue - one that looks just like Obama's. There's nothing else he or HI could release for Obama or anyone else born in HI at any time, unless the person kept a BC they ordered decades ago when they were longer.

Posted by: JoeT1 | February 17, 2011 4:39 PM | Report abuse

blasmatic: "I believe Obama is more vulnerable for his association to Chicago corruption or his Harvard elitism. Such attacks can't be defended with an allegation of religious or racial bigotry. But the tea party prefers to go with the birthplace and religion attacks."

Sorry, but you are confusing UNqualfied -- religion, elitist, corruption, stupidity, etc. -- with DISqualified based on birthplace. BIG difference.

This is a NOVEL attack on a sitting president.

Posted by: Observer691 | February 17, 2011 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Capehart is it true you are a Marxist? Just wondering since you always defend Obama, Reid and Pelosi. Oh!! Could you be a racist? Hmm?! Do you truly believe they are about the Birther theory? NO!! I won't even respond to the little kids that wrote scathing remarks in reply to his editorial. Where did some of you get your educations from Hair school or Auto tech?

Posted by: pechins | February 17, 2011 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Obviously, "Post Partisan" is meant to be ironic.

It's false to say that we know that O was born outside the U.S. *and* it's also false to say that we know he was born in the U.S.

The important part of the last paragraph is *what we know*. Because, we don't really know for sure where it was. While it's highly likely that he was born in the U.S., he has not definitively proven it.

All the forms of evidence he's presented so far are full of holes. For just one example, the announcements don't even list his name and there's no indication of who exactly caused those announcements to appear. They aren't proof.

For yet another example of just how sad the "AntiBirthers" are, I posted a smarts/integrity test for "AntiBirthers" over five months ago. Today, thousands of views later, only one (1) Obama fan has come close to figuring it out:

http://24ahead.com/n/10211

Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | February 17, 2011 4:51 PM | Report abuse

It had been quiet on the Birther Front until the new Democratic Governor of Hawaii claimed he could prove President Obama was born there. Then he said he couldn't. He then said he was going to provide President Obama's "long form" birth certificate. Then the State Attorney General said that privacy legislation would prevent it from shown.

It seems to me that President Obama could help put this whole matter to rest if he would simply sign a release of information form and then we could see what the "long form" says.

Posted by: herlick | February 17, 2011 4:53 PM | Report abuse

"It seems to me that President Obama could help put this whole matter to rest if he would simply sign a release of information form and then we could see what the "long form" says."

The President is not about to start rolling around in the muck with teabagger morons. No birther will ever accept any such documentation as conclusive, so there's no point for Obama to produce any.

He is taking the better approach: ignore the birthers and roll to reelection over their little pointy heads.

Posted by: Observer691 | February 17, 2011 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Liberals online never gave George W. Bush a rest from allegations of stupidity and kleptocracy. Did they believe what goes around would not come around? If you said YES, that is exactly what liberals believed... I might buy it.

Posted by: blasmaic
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Historians rank George W. Bush 39 (out of 42) and a majority of them, BOTH conservative and liberal, over 90 PER CENT, regarded the Bush presidency as a failure and over fifty per cent regard him the worst president ever. So, you see, the liberals were RIGHT in their estimation of Bush. Whether or not he was stupid (I was one liberal who never thought he was stupid) is kind of irrelevent. Stupid or not his presidency was a disaster.

Barrack Obama was born in the US. ANYONE WHO STILL THINKS THAT HE WAS NOT BORN IN THE US IS A MORON. You got it, a MORON. If there were an IQ test for voting NONE OF THESE people would be eligible to vote. We liberals may have some failings but we are not MORONS and anyone who thinks that Bush was a better president than Obama is a MORON.

Posted by: nyrunner101 | February 17, 2011 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Birthers just have to ask themselves honestly: If Barack Obama wasn't African American, would any of this conversation be taking place?

I think a majority of Americans know the answer to that question.

Posted by: MidwaySailor76 | February 17, 2011 4:59 PM | Report abuse

The Middle East and the U.S. Midwest seem to be melting down, and this is your topic?

Isn't it frustrating for liberals to confront a situation where they can't control how people THINK?

Why did you leave Bill Maher out of this story? He seems to think that Obama is not a Christian, but a "secular humanist."

Posted by: Curmudgeon10 | February 17, 2011 5:01 PM | Report abuse

The very sad - and quite transparent - ploy being employed by educated people like Boehner, Bachmann and others is to find a way to perpetuate the Big Lie and thus manipulate their loyal but deluded followers.

There are some reasonable Republicans out there - wake up!

Posted by: MidwaySailor76 | February 17, 2011 5:08 PM | Report abuse

"Well, that's not for me to state," Bachmann told George Stephanopoulos, "that's for the president to state." When asked whether she believes Obama, Bachmann uttered the favored GOP talking point. "Well, I think we should take the president at his word." Sound familiar?

Yes it sounds familiar...just like the other liberal media jerks who ask this foolish question!
What is wrong with that answer? What the hell are they supposed to say, to such a stupid question? And why are they responsible for what other people think?

The reason Obama has not released all information about his birth certificate; is so the liberal media can smear all Republicans as 'birthers'!

Posted by: bobdame | February 17, 2011 5:14 PM | Report abuse

It's pretty clear to the majority of Americans who don't suffer from some form of mental illness that the president is American and always has been.

Unfortunately, I suppose, from the birthers' point of view, questioning his birth is really all they have. They can't employ the line of attack they would like to use because then the jig would be up; so they're left with lame conspiracy theories about his birth.

Posted by: MidwaySailor76 | February 17, 2011 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Yes, for the 11th billion time. His mother was a US citizen, so he is a citizen. I wont address the idiocy of the people that believe otherwise. Personally,I would be more comforted if he was an Athiest. Seriously, believing in a imaginary man in the heavens in this day an age or Christianity. Which is worse. Remember most of our founding fathers were Deists or free thinkers of their time. Im sure this will make Sarah Palens head explode along with the rest of the Religous right and Tea Baggers. This country was not founded on Christian beliefs. Read your history, I mean real history not the Bible.

Posted by: rjb121891 | February 17, 2011 5:21 PM | Report abuse

There is one absolute unquestionable truth about this here article and others like it. 51% polled are absolutely, with out question, NOT going to vote for Obama or any one backing his policies. And I bet the numbers are growing. The proof is in the pudding. HA!

Posted by: hanocul6
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1) That's 51 percent of Republican primary voters. I'll leave you to do the math, but they don't comprise most voters.
2) If he doesn't win re-election, great! It means the voters have spoken; but let's vote on the basis of his policies, not a stupid lie about his birth.

Posted by: MidwaySailor76 | February 17, 2011 5:31 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans are cynically exploiting the stupidity and/or racism of the Birthers for their own narrow political gains. With changes in demongraphics they will not be able to play this cynical game for long.

Posted by: exbrown | February 17, 2011 5:35 PM | Report abuse

It's not the Americans who want to see Obozo's birth certificate who are the liars. Bozo could put this issue to rest simply by producing the paper. What is he gaining by not proving he is an American? The simple truth is Bozo hasn't d=shown his birth certificate because he is not an American and this is the biggest crime in American political history.

Posted by: carlbatey | February 17, 2011 5:36 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans are cynically exploiting the stupidity and/or racism of the Birthers for their own narrow political gains. They have no shame.

Posted by: exbrown | February 17, 2011 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Bachmann ... Boehmer ... Birthers ........ Really, folks, have you truly listened to any of these people ??? There is such a severe lack of brain power ... of reality ... existing in them. Please stop wasting your time .... they will shortly be laying beside the side of the road ........ just a little more sludge to add to the pile ! ! !

Posted by: loretoguy | February 17, 2011 5:39 PM | Report abuse

We all know if President Obama produced the so-called "long form" of his birth certificate tomorrow, by the next day bithers would be claiming it is a forgery. Even the birthers know it.

But since they can't call him what they really want to call him, they have to perpetuate this lame business that he must be a foreigner (like George Washington, by the way).

Birthers are the very personification of cowardice. Everyone, including them, knows perfectly well the motivation behind this pernicious lie - but cowards are the same everywhere. They'll hide behind this nonsense until the end.

Don't worry, birthers. The scary black man will be leaving soon.

Posted by: MidwaySailor76 | February 17, 2011 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Birthers are racists, idiots, insane, or all three. No intelligent person can believe their nonsense or respect them.

Posted by: exbrown | February 17, 2011 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Obama's father was Kenyan, and a British subject. That makes Obama: legally ineligible to be US president, and a British citizen at birth. He was adopted by Lolo Soetoro in 1971, his name legally changed to Barry Soetoro and his citizenship changed to Indonesian. He never revoked his Indonesian citizenship, applied to have his birth citizenship reinstated, or had his name changed back to Barack Obama. So he is an Indonesian citizen illegally living in the US under an assumed name. This is not conjecture, but it is why he had his records sealed.

Posted by: mike85 | February 17, 2011 5:51 PM | Report abuse

I hope liberals keep harping on this until election day. Nobody cares about this non-issue and the more that petty losers like Capehart talk about it the more apparent it is that liberals are more interesting in sliming conservatives than in coming up with any ideas.

Posted by: clydle | February 17, 2011 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Don't get me worng - I think the birther stuff is nonsense especially at this point, but why is it anyone's responsibility other than the President himself or his selected supporter/party members to dispell these allegations? As long as they are not saying he is not a U.S. citizen or whatever, I don;t think they have any obligation to address the issue(s).

Posted by: ballgame | February 17, 2011 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Don't get me worng - I think the birther stuff is nonsense especially at this point, but why is it anyone's responsibility other than the President himself or his selected supporter/party members to dispell these allegations? As long as they are not saying he is not a U.S. citizen or whatever, I don;t think they have any obligation to address the issue(s).

Posted by: ballgame | February 17, 2011 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Blasmaic says:
"Liberals online never gave George W. Bush a rest from allegations of stupidity and kleptocracy. Did they believe what goes around would not come around?"

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W actually got pretty easy treatment in his first few years. "Online" only existed in the smallest of small corners in 2001. People had internet connections (often dial-up) and email, but blogs and political sites didn't start to enter my own consciousness until the 2004 campaign. This is true of a lot of people I suspect, and I'm relatively plugged in.

As far as charges go, I don't care that people say mean things and speak impolitely about a politician -- I care that what people say is true and that it actually matters.

In the case of financial corruption, these are things that you can actually define (e.g. number of convictions, dollar sums involved in convictions, proximity to president, money received from a person or industry in connection with a piece of legislation).

Based on that standard, while Bush himself may not have personally cashed in, the people that surrounded him at one remove in the Dept. of Interior, his VP, down the line certainly provide pretty compelling evidence that his was the most financially corrupt administration in a long time (maybe some of the Gilded Age administrations might rival the Bush years). His people brought in industry lobbyists to oversee the industries that they were supposedly regulating. His administration shifted significant resources out of the FBI's white collar crime division after the accounting scandals in the early 2000s (e.g. moving 500 agents into counter-terrorism without replacing those 500 agents in white collar crime!). You had Bush selecting an industry lobbyist(!) as his first SEC Chairman. You had the head of Goldman Sach's appointed as the head of Treasury (rec'd no tax penalty on his sale of $500 million in stock). You also had a major swindle with Abramoff and DeLay's K Street project. Those were major league corruption scandals that both had at least one foot in the White House.

Obama's administration isn't exactly clean, but he still has a long way to go before he pulls a full on W.

As far as the Obama is a Muslim nonsense goes, I think this is probably more just a statement of the fact that the U.S. has a lot of insular, isolated places with a lot of ignorant, easy dupes. The closest that most have come to meeting an actual Muslim is some Fox News caricature, so their frame of reference is screwy to begin with. In some cases, maybe the "he's a Muslim" thing is more a way of just saying "he's not one of us".

Posted by: JPRS | February 17, 2011 6:08 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand why people don't believe the COLB (even though there were two different COLBs posted on different web sites). Either the facts presented on the COLB are true and provide prima facia evidence that Obummer is ineligible to be the POTUS or it's a forgery in which case he should be run out of town on a rail!

Posted by: prsmithsr | February 17, 2011 6:20 PM | Report abuse

It had been quiet on the Birther Front until the new Democratic Governor of Hawaii claimed he could prove President Obama was born there. Then he said he couldn't. He then said he was going to provide President Obama's "long form" birth certificate. Then the State Attorney General said that privacy legislation would prevent it from shown.

It seems to me that President Obama could help put this whole matter to rest if he would simply sign a release of information form and then we could see what the "long form" says.

Posted by: herlick
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none of the above is correct.

the governor never said his original claim was incorrect. the source of that falsehood has admitted he misquoted the governor. the governor never said he was going to produce a long form, and there is no such thing, period, for anyone. Birth certificates used to be longer, because states included more of the information from their source records than they do now. The governor mused about producing the source information, and the AG said it would be illegal, for Obama or anyone else, and correctly so. There is no consent form or release Obama could sign to get or have disclosed any more information than is on his BC. It's not in his power to consent to anything. HI law, like the law of every other state, provides for what info goes on a BC, and makes the rest private.

Posted by: JoeT1 | February 17, 2011 6:21 PM | Report abuse

"Well, that's not for me to state," Bachmann told George Stephanopoulos, "that's for the president to state." When asked whether she believes Obama, Bachmann uttered the favored GOP talking point. "Well, I think we should take the president at his word." Sound familiar?

Yes it sounds familiar...just like the other liberal media jerks who ask this foolish question!
What is wrong with that answer? What the hell are they supposed to say, to such a stupid question? And why are they responsible for what other people think?

The reason Obama has not released all information about his birth certificate; is so the liberal media can smear all Republicans as 'birthers'!

Posted by: bobdame
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and I thought there was nothing new under the sun. you're suggesting that Obama is deliberately short-arming the available evidence of his birth to set a trap that half the GOP fell for by questioning his legitimacy because he knew that more than half of the electorate as a whole would think they are nuts. That would make Obama a genius, and half the GOP a bunch of morons. And all they would have to do once the figure out the trap is agree the BC is conclusive, and they're too dumb to do that either. Is that what you are suggesting?

Posted by: JoeT1 | February 17, 2011 6:31 PM | Report abuse

I hope liberals keep harping on this until election day. Nobody cares about this non-issue and the more that petty losers like Capehart talk about it the more apparent it is that liberals are more interesting in sliming conservatives than in coming up with any ideas.

Posted by: clydle
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Uh, it isn't liberals who are "harping" on the issue. Nice try, though.

Posted by: MidwaySailor76 | February 17, 2011 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Obama's father was Kenyan, and a British subject. That makes Obama: legally ineligible to be US president, and a British citizen at birth. He was adopted by Lolo Soetoro in 1971, his name legally changed to Barry Soetoro and his citizenship changed to Indonesian. He never revoked his Indonesian citizenship, applied to have his birth citizenship reinstated, or had his name changed back to Barack Obama. So he is an Indonesian citizen illegally living in the US under an assumed name. This is not conjecture, but it is why he had his records sealed.

Posted by: mike85
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if his father's british citizenship mattered as a matter of law, Obama would not be the President. None of his opponents would have failed to make an issue of his obvious ineligibility, given the indisputable facts, if the law were as you suggest. it's obviously not.

the rest of your nonsense goes downhill from there

Posted by: JoeT1 | February 17, 2011 6:39 PM | Report abuse

People believe lies. Thats a fact. Its also a fact that no matter how much evidence presented that refutes the lies, people are going to believe the lie over the facts.

It is not so appalling to me that ignorance and racism abounds in America or anywhere else on the globe. Its part of human nature.

What I find sickening is that politicians who know that President Obama is in fact an American citizen, and is a Christian (as if that should matter anyway), are willing to perpetuate the lies for political gain. It is morally repugnant and ethically corrupt.


Have you no shame?

Posted by: reussere | February 17, 2011 6:43 PM | Report abuse

It's not the Americans who want to see Obozo's birth certificate who are the liars. Bozo could put this issue to rest simply by producing the paper. What is he gaining by not proving he is an American? The simple truth is Bozo hasn't d=shown his birth certificate because he is not an American and this is the biggest crime in American political history.

Posted by: carlbatey
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he has produced the paper, several times, both versions (HI changed the format once) and the state of HI has said it's a real BC. you're just deliberately ignorant or deliberately spreading what you know to be a lie

Posted by: JoeT1 | February 17, 2011 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Uh oh....

It seems the Supreme Court has decided to give another conference to an eligibility challenge on Obama's Presidency.

Read more: Stunner! Supremes to give eligibility case another look http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=264897#ixzz1EGPZzsfn

I think there are a growing number of Americans rightly concerned with whether Obama is eligible to be President......

Posted by: tina11 | February 17, 2011 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Well, if the minority of Americans - and they're definitely a minority - can't convince the rest of us of their obvious malarky about the president's birth certificate, then what of it? Let them look like the loons that they are.

Posted by: MidwaySailor76 | February 17, 2011 7:02 PM | Report abuse

There is only one reason the so-called 'birthers' are pursuing their idiotic campaign, and we all know what that reason is.

The country is now on its 44th president, who happens to be the first African American. No one would DARE question the fundamental right of citizenship for any white president.

Posted by: MidwaySailor76 | February 17, 2011 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Uh oh....

It seems the Supreme Court has decided to give another conference to an eligibility challenge on Obama's Presidency.

Read more: Stunner! Supremes to give eligibility case another look http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=264897#ixzz1EGPZzsfn

I think there are a growing number of Americans rightly concerned with whether Obama is eligible to be President......

Posted by: tina11
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what a crock. supposedly, this page quotes a source as confirming that a petition for rehearing of an earlier denial is being circulated. if a petition for rehearing was filed, it has to be circulated. and a conference would be the most convenient way to deny it. unless they GRANT a rehearing, this is mandatory procedure, and not a story.

of course if you read the rest of this link, you recognize it as tin-foil lunacy.

Posted by: JoeT1 | February 17, 2011 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Has any republican officeholder from Hawaii managed to come up with their long form birth certificate? I guess that means they are all really Kenyans.

Posted by: treefrog2 | February 17, 2011 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry birthers - the scary black man will be out of your White House in a couple of years. Or - your worst nightmare - 2016.

Posted by: MidwaySailor76 | February 17, 2011 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Regarding Bachmann, Boner, O'Connell, Trash Limbaugh, the Three Stooges of False News, Palin.....
You can take a jackass or a chimp to a college campus but you can't make them think or learn.
So be it!

Posted by: analyst72 | February 17, 2011 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Quoth blasmaic: "Liberals online never gave George W. Bush a rest from allegations of stupidity and kleptocracy."

True, we thought he was an idiot, but we at least thought he was an AMERICAN idiot.

Posted by: drazen1 | February 17, 2011 7:38 PM | Report abuse

John Boehner has said that he is not a child molestor, and Michele Bachmann has said that she is not an airhead. I think that we should probably take them at their word, although I remain worried about Bachmann...

Posted by: marcb1 | February 17, 2011 7:42 PM | Report abuse


Well, we might just get an answer because on March 4th the Supreme Court is going to have a Conference on the Obama eligibility filed in a lawsuit by Colonel Hollister.

As far as Obama's religion, only God knows for sure.

The only question I'd like answered is why Obama has blocked his college app, transcripts, medical records, long form BC, etc., from being viewed by the public and has spent over $2 million on lawyers to keep it that way.

In May 08, McCain provided all his records. So what's Obama's problem?

Posted by: janet8 | February 17, 2011 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Let the republicans run with this one; it makes them look crazier every week that it goes on. Look at it this way; the birthers are talking to themselves and they aren't convincing anyone else with this non-sense. They simply show the republican base for what it truly is: ugly white hate-mongers. Their masters set this loose, hoping to take profit, now they're starting to get nervous - did you read turdblossums' attempt to tamp it down today? That should tell you everything you need to know!

Posted by: michael5 | February 17, 2011 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Still no response to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBJihJBePcs

Posted by: tjfanaticus | February 17, 2011 10:08 PM | Report abuse

@tjfanaticus - I have a book on Nixon from before the online age, and there's a whole chapter of quotes where he says he's from [whatever area he's currently speaking at], in dozens of stops all across the country.

The difference in your youtube out-of-context clip is, Obama actually has family that has lived in Kenya for generations.

When's the orange-faced Crybaby OHBohner gonna show us HIS (non-existent) long form birth certificate? i.e. since he's next in line for the presidency after Biden.

Posted by: Darr247 | February 18, 2011 2:06 AM | Report abuse

It amazes me how ignorant people are of the eligibility difference between a US Citizen and a Natural Born Citizen.

Yes Obama is a US Citizen, but he is only eligible to be a US Senator.

Presidential Eligibility
1. A US citizen, eligible to serve in the Legislative Branch, and Judicial Branch, but not the Executive Branch, is:
a. any naturalized US Citizen
b. A US-born US citizen using the formula: (SOIL)+(MOM)+(DAD) = BABY CITIZENSHIP
Thus:
i. (USA)+(USA)+(ALIEN) = US NATIVE BORN DUAL CITIZEN
ii. (USA)+(ALIEN)+(USA) = US NATIVE BORN DUAL CITIZEN
c. A foreign-born US citizen using the formula:
i. (FOREIGN)+(USA)+(ALIEN) = FOREIGN BORN US DUAL CITIZEN
ii. (FOREIGN)+(ALIEN)+(USA) = FOREIGN BORN US DUAL CITIZEN

2. US Natural Born Citizen, eligible to serve in the Legislative Branch, the Executive Branch, and the Judicial Branch, is:
a. Using the formula: (SOIL)+(MOM)+(DAD) = BABY CITIZENSHIP
Thus:
i. (USA)+(USA)+(USA) = US NATURAL BORN CITIZEN

See
Mario Apuzzo
http://www.scribd.com/doc/48894388/The-Citizenship-Status-of-Our-44-Presidents

Posted by: borderraven | February 18, 2011 4:53 AM | Report abuse

I find it hard to believe that as many as half of the registered Republicans are "birthers" who have questions about President Obama's citizenship. If so it's a sign that many have been brain-washed by the Australian Murdoch's media.

Personally, I suspect that a good number of Republican voters probably didn't understand the question they were asked. Otherwise we're dealing with a massive amount of "willful ignorance".

CB in Hamburg

Posted by: chrisbrown12 | February 18, 2011 8:34 AM | Report abuse

borderraven:
Thanks for writing your own version of the Constitution. When you become King or Queen, you may institute it as law.
In the meantime, the rest of us will go by what was written in the REAL Constitution:

Section 1 of Article Two of the United States Constitution sets forth the eligibility requirements for serving as President of the United States:
"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

Posted by: Victoria27 | February 18, 2011 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Midway Sailor76; all,

fyi, BHO has about the same chance of being POTUS on 01/21/13 as i do.
(i'm NOT running for any office.)

further, essentially NOBODY (at least anyone that i've met) cares what race/ethnic group/religion that BHO is.
otoh, we DO care that he & his coven of ELITISTS/nitwits/crooks/HATERS/lunatic-fringe leftists are trying to destroy the US economy, with their unending series of STUPID ideas & wasteful/abusive boondoggles. - as a result, the DIMs are FINISHED as a major political party.

yours, TN46
coordinator, CCTPP

Posted by: texasnative46 | February 18, 2011 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Midway Sailor76; all,

fyi, BHO has about the same chance of being POTUS on 01/21/13 as i do.
(i'm NOT running for any office.)

further, essentially NOBODY (at least anyone that i've met) cares what race/ethnic group/religion that BHO is.
otoh, we DO care that he & his coven of ELITISTS/nitwits/crooks/HATERS/lunatic-fringe leftists are trying to destroy the US economy, with their unending series of STUPID ideas & wasteful/abusive boondoggles. - as a result, the DIMs are FINISHED as a major political party.

yours, TN46
coordinator, CCTPP

Posted by: texasnative46 | February 18, 2011 12:25 PM | Report abuse

There is a difference between a "certificate of live birth" and a "birth certificate." The former is issued when neither a doctor or a midwife witnesses the birth. You simply go to the state and you sign an affadavit that you have a child who was born at a certain time/location. The state then issues (under YOUR signed testimony) a COLB. Contrast that with a state issued "Birth Certificate" (or long form as many are calling it) where a hospital witnesses the birth and then fills out all the "long information" it usually includes fancy little stuff like feet prints, measurements, etc. I find it completely suspicious that Obama does not have a birth certificate. It also adds scrutiny when his own wife calls Kenya his "home country" and BO's grandmother claims he was born in her village. It also adds scrutinty when BO will not release many of the records that previous Presidents and cabinet members release (what is he hiding?).

Again, the ONLY piece of hard or circumstantial evidence that disputes this birther notion is that if there was any doubt, Hillary Clinton's camp would have sniffed this out and exposed it. She may however, have decided tha it was politically intenable or beneath her principals as a politician (the former being most likely).

Posted by: tjfanaticus | February 18, 2011 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Even if Obama is removed from office, Joe Biden will become President. The obsessive compulsive actions of the "birthers" will not reuslt in any big change, even if their illusions are confirmed.

Posted by: lynnlm | February 18, 2011 3:22 PM | Report abuse

I heard that the GOP will do a fund raier called "OBAMA ELIGIBILITY PROOF" the fund raiser by one estimate would raise $200 million dollars the first month? With over 120 million people now questioning Obama citizenship this would attract huge donors.......

Posted by: Richie5 | February 19, 2011 9:02 AM | Report abuse

MASSIVE FUND RAISER, Obama eligibility Proof....

I heard that the GOP will do a fund raier called "OBAMA ELIGIBILITY PROOF" the fund raiser by one estimate would raise $200 million dollars the first month? With over 120 million people now questioning Obama citizenship this would attract huge donors.......

Posted by: Richie5 | February 19, 2011 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Richie5; all,

PLEASE provide a DOCUMENTED SOURCE for your claim. - as i'm a county coordinator for the TEA PARTY, i think that i would have at least heard of such a fund-raiser if such an event was planned.

fyi, there are LOTS of KNOWING LIES told by the leftists about our movement.

yours, TN46
coordinator, CCTPP

Posted by: texasnative46 | February 19, 2011 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Richie5; all,

PLEASE provide a DOCUMENTED SOURCE for your claim. - as i'm a county coordinator for the TEA PARTY, i think that i would have at least heard of such a fund-raiser if such an event was planned.

fyi, there are LOTS of KNOWING LIES told by the leftists about our movement.

yours, TN46
coordinator, CCTPP

Posted by: texasnative46 | February 19, 2011 11:57 AM | Report abuse

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