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Posted at 1:41 PM ET, 02/22/2011

Time to stand up to Libya's madman

By David Ignatius

BEIRUT -- Watching Moammar Gaddafi's televised rant today -- in which he threatened, in effect, to turn himself into a suicide bomb and take his country down with him -- a reasonable person would conclude that the Libyan leader is a dangerous nut.

I can offer a shred of personal experience to support this view of the Libyan leader as an unstable and menacing person. In the early 1980s, I traveled to Tripoli with several other journalists hoping to interview Gaddafi. When the appointed date arrived, we were taken to a large hall, frisked several times and then made to wait for the "mercurial" leader, the euphemism reporters used in those days to describe the Libyan strongman.

First, Gaddafi's bodyguard blew into the room brandishing his automatic weapon. He was barefoot and had wild, unkempt hair and was genuinely scary-looking, even by Middle East-bodyguard standards.

Then came Gaddafi. He marched straight toward me (was it the fact that I worked in those days for the Wall Street Journal?), stopped about a foot from my face and stared at me with bulging, bloodshot eyes. Then he shouted something in Arabic to his aides and bolted from the room, never to return. Sorry, no interview, his terrified aides told us.

It was one of the oddest encounters I've had as a journalist. Honestly, I thought at the time that Gaddafi was high on drugs. Those eyes were popping with unnatural intensity. And he had a self-dramatizing manner that was unusual, even for a Third World dictator.

Gaddafi's trademark vanity was evident in the "die as a martyr" speech that was broadcast yesterday -- with him wearing a dashing cape and headscarf as if standing on the ramparts of history.

Dressed up in his coats and caps and band-leader braided uniforms, Gaddafi always looks to me as if he's playing himself in the movies. He created a bizarre personal philosophy that every Libyan was supposed to learn. (I still have a copy of this "Green Book," as it was known, gathering dust in my basement.) He even created a weird Arabic neologism for his country, calling it a "jamahiriya," unique among nations.

It's for the Libyan people to dump Gaddafi, and they are struggling to do so with extraordinary courage -- reportedly even standing up to fighter jets. As I write, the Obama administration has refrained from proposing sanctions or otherwise pulling the plug on a man whom Ronald Reagan called a "mad dog."

President Obama should recognize that this is a moral issue and find his voice. Yes, he has to worry about the U.S. diplomats remaining in Libya. But the Arab world is watching, and it will remember what Obama says and does. This is a clear case of right and wrong, and the United States and its allies should show they mean it when they describe Gaddafi's behavior as "unacceptable."

By David Ignatius  | February 22, 2011; 1:41 PM ET
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Gaddafi is a Madman, an obvious drug addict.
He couldn't care less who dies for him to maintain his hegemony.
He believes Libya is HIS, personal-country.
He would like to believe that he is a god.
Someone close to him must bring home to him his mortality.

Posted by: Arjuna1 | February 22, 2011 2:13 PM | Report abuse

As anyone seen President Obama? What's his take on this? Or, does he only get giddy when the US friendly dicators get toppled? What a leader --reminds me of \"Dr. Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde\" except in the President's case it is \"Mr Peeps and Mr. Giddy\".

Posted by: joe59 | February 22, 2011 2:24 PM | Report abuse

@ Arjuna1 "Gaddafi is a Madman, an obvious drug addict." Why, because you read it in the article? You have no f***ing idea about the man other than what you get from your US propagada. Pathetic. And the only time you hipocrits in the US call for "freedom" is when your arrangements with these dictators no longer serves your interests. Pathetic. People like you are so bloody ignorant and stupid. That'why your country is (unforunately) going down the tubes.

Posted by: MooseSteak7 | February 22, 2011 2:32 PM | Report abuse

@Joe59 "As anyone seen President Obama? What's his take on this?" Another partisan Yank too stupid to think for himslef. You're part of the problem pal, not the solution. You guys don'trealize America is circling the drain becasue all your leaders are currupt and owned by corps. and wall street. Instead of looking honestly at the problem, you want to blame someone. And you actually believe all the "freedom" and "democracy" "America is #1 bullshit you are fed. Vomit.

Posted by: MooseSteak7 | February 22, 2011 2:38 PM | Report abuse

@Joe59 "As anyone seen President Obama? What's his take on this?" Another partisan Yank too stupid to think for himslef. You're part of the problem pal, not the solution. You guys don'trealize America is circling the drain becasue all your leaders are currupt and owned by corps. and wall street. Instead of looking honestly at the problem, you want to blame someone. And you actually believe all the "freedom" and "democracy" "America is #1 bullshit you are fed. Vomit.

Posted by: MooseSteak7 | February 22, 2011 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Now is the time that America should be drilling our own oil on our own lands, be it off shore or anywhere we have our huge reserves. It's is a ship of fools who would let these muslim nut job countries hold us hostage by damaging our economy even more than it is right now, with the threats of oil supplies being shut off.

We need to continue to stand with Israel, the only sane country in the region.

Somali muslim pirates, murdered four innocent people, Egyptians think nothing of raping and beating reporters and there is no respect for life in this part of the world.

As a foot note, Republicans and Democrats, Mr. President, you had better get a grip of what you were sent to do and tone down the union busting movement and get back to doing things that will put our people back to work, you'll be voted out as fast as you were voted in.

Hardworking Americans are sick of this garbage. Control our borders, secure our energy and get off our backs.

Posted by: epicwolf1 | February 22, 2011 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I understand Gadaffi is not leaving office. Never. Not ever. By his own appointment.

Where is Obama on this?

Posted by: project_Exelsus | February 22, 2011 2:45 PM | Report abuse

David Ignatius:

Perhaps you should direct the public's attention to the madmen in this country. For example, the nascent fascism of the Republicans' right wing, or the certifiably insane racialfetishisms of the ul

Posted by: VMR1 | February 22, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Wow. No bias in this article!!

"we were frisked several times...and made to wait.." I'm sure that would NEVER happen if you went to see your President.

"brandishing his automatic weapon." Gee, he's a bodygurard to a leader. Shocking!!

"He was barefoot" In keeping with the culture..

'and had a wild, unkempt beard" Part of the cuture

"and was genuinely scary-looking" Gee, who wants a scary looking bodyguard?

" Those eyes were popping with unnatural intensity." Gee..maybe the fact a US bomb had ripped apart his fifteen year old daughter had something to do with that. No...MUST be the drugs.

Posted by: MooseSteak7 | February 22, 2011 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Obama is doing exactly what he should be doing - staying the heck out of it.

Sanctions? Seriously? What possible good would that do? Gaddafi is willing to sacrifice his entire country rather than give up on his mad delusions. Sanctions at this time would only hurt the very people who are risking their lives to unseat him.

Worse, any concrete U.S. reaction would only serve to discredit the protestors by lending credence to Gaddafi's claim that this uprising is being sponsored by unpopular foreign interests.

Physical intervention may be necessary if things continue to spiral downward, but it should be handled by the U.N. and the Arab League - with the U.S. taking no more than a supporting role.

Posted by: SandraL | February 22, 2011 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Obama is doing exactly what he should be doing - staying the heck out of it.

Sanctions? Seriously? What possible good would that do? Gaddafi is willing to sacrifice his entire country rather than give up on his mad delusions. Sanctions at this time would only hurt the very people who are risking their lives to unseat him.

Worse, any concrete U.S. reaction would only serve to discredit the protestors by lending credence to Gaddafi's claim that this uprising is being sponsored by unpopular foreign interests.

Physical intervention may be necessary if things continue to spiral downward, but it should be handled by the U.N. and the Arab League - with the U.S. taking no more than a supporting role.

Posted by: SandraL | February 22, 2011 2:54 PM | Report abuse

David Ignatius:

Perhaps you should direct the public's attention to the madmen in this country. For example, the nascent fascism of the Republicans' right wing, or the certifiably insane racial and sexual identity fetishisms of the ultra-left. I think it's critical that we re-invent ourselves first, before preaching to the world. Or haven't you noticed, almost no one outside the US takes American "moral authority" seriously.

Posted by: VMR1 | February 22, 2011 2:55 PM | Report abuse

["This is a clear case of right and wrong"]

Munich Olympic Massacre
Constable Fletcher Murder
Rome/Vienna Airport Massacres
Berlin Discoteque Massacre
PA103 Massacre
UTA772 Massacre
IRA proxy massacres
EU Nurse Prison Sextortion
Swiss hostage extortion

These were all "clear cases" of right and wrong.

Do 41.5 billion barrels of oil reserves mean he deserves another chance?

Nemo me impune lacessit

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | February 22, 2011 2:56 PM | Report abuse

MooseSteak7, where do you come off insulting others when your comments contribute nothing beyond your own hatred for the U.S. True, the U.S. hasn't done anything when it probably should, but has your government? No, because no government in the world has directly intervened to stop the violence. "Gaddafi is a Madman, an obvious drug addict." Why? Aside from the drug addict part, which was obviously not the point of his post, Gaddafi has been shown over and over again to be a madman. Yes we read it in the article because we don't live in Libya and don't have omniscience. He is a madman; The U.S. media says so, the European media says so, Al Jazeera says so. It is fact. All you need for evidence is the fact that he has use military jets to bomb his own civilians and hired foreign mercenaries to suppress his own countrymen. Both of these facts have been widely reported and accepted as fact.

No matter what condition the U.S. is in, it does not bring ambiguity to the fact that Qaddafi is a madman. Should the U.S. intervene? Probably if it stands by its principles of fostering democracy and ensuring peace. Will it? It's unclear at this point, but I can safely say that neither you nor your country is doing any more to help those brave revolutionaries than President Obama or those of us reading this article right now.

And please notice how I was able to go the whole comment without insulting you personally. Come back to the table when you can do the same because its really not worth our time to scroll past your hateful, repeat comments.

Posted by: wh31 | February 22, 2011 2:56 PM | Report abuse

As a reply to MooseSteak7 .
As a Canadian, that has worked and lived around the world, I totally disagree with you snide comments about Americans. You are wrong.

Posted by: dgunde | February 22, 2011 2:57 PM | Report abuse


Wait a minute -- I thought Warpresident Bush declared his good friend Moammar a model citizen (after learning how much oil lay under the shifting sands of Libya). Wasn't he being hailed as a beacon of hope for halting his nuclear weapons program? Now, neocons like Ignatius tell me he's a "nut?" Color me confused!

Posted by: motorfriend | February 22, 2011 2:57 PM | Report abuse

As a reply to MooseSteak7 .
As a Canadian, that has worked and lived around the world, I totally disagree with your snide comments about Americans. You are wrong.

Posted by: dgunde | February 22, 2011 2:58 PM | Report abuse

@MooseSteak7

After reading the article and also forming my own opinion of what I've read and seen in pictures; by the way my opinion is that he is a complete nutjob...

However, after reading what you wrote, you are ABSOLUTELY correct. I literally have absolutely NO idea who this man is, how he is, if he is a drug addict, or pretty much anything other than what I've read.

With that being said... Who knows. If he is like the article is describing, then what a "piece of Sh^t"; if not.... then I hate getting fed lies by the media... I'm sure it's a little bit of both. i feel good about saying that the media lies at times when it is convenient, but he does seem like a nut job via general consensus on multiple media outlets....

Another thing you're correct about is how we complain about Freedom for other countries when their previous efforts are no longer useful to us, as America. You know what; you're absolutely correct about that as well. My impulse and for the most part American's natural impulse (as tailored by being a citizen here) is to think as such. I'm glad someone such as yourself can put it into perspective at least for me. While no one is perfect... I just hope that the people over there get what is deserved and the bloodshed is stopped and peaceful talks are summoned.

...the american patriot; but a passionate human first.

Posted by: thesurg3on | February 22, 2011 2:58 PM | Report abuse

The spring of 2008 was a stressful time Qaddafi -- despite renouncing WMDs and renewing ties with America in the wake of the 9/11 terror attacks, he was still being treated like a pariah. Congress had passed a law that allowed victims of state-sponsored terrorism to collect court judgments by seizing foreign assets in the United States, which could cost Libya $3 to $6 billion. U.S. officials and human rights activists were pressuring Qaddafi to release jailed Libyan political activist Fathi al-Jahmi, a 66-year-old provincial governor in ill health and detained since 2002 when he called for free elections and the release of political prisoners. And American and British officials re-emphasized their commitment to having the Lockerbie bomber, former Libyan intelligence officer Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi, serve out his sentence in a Scottish jail.
Luckily, Qaddafi had some powerful allies, so the Bush administration requested an exemption for Libya from the compensation law passed by Congress. Then-House Minority Leader John Boehner was the most recent U.S. lawmaker to visit Qaddafi at his tent in the desert for a cordial visit, during which the Libyan leader gifted Boehner with a pair of sunglasses. And one of the most powerful lobbyists in Washington was busy working to restore Libya's reputation on Capitol Hill.

Posted by: motorfriend | February 22, 2011 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Notice, everyone, how we (the USA) get blamed for every clown, or dictator, the Arabs or Muslims, choose for themselves. It must be understood by us Americans that until the Arabs and Muslims of the world get over their deep-seated inferiority complex, or desire to Conquer the whole World for Islam, we (the USA) will always be the scapegoat for their ultimate economic misery. Notice how much Oil they have - but what have their fathers accomplished otherwise since the end of Colonialism? Maybe, thanks to our Internet, Facebook, Twitter, iPhone, etc., the younger generation will realize that the West is where it's at - if they wish to live - not like Gadhafi - still in an Arab Tent. We are all Bothers and Sister, and Islam is just another Monotheistic religion which must be kept in the Mosque on Fridays - and Separate from the State. Unless Arabs and Muslims learn that Western lesson they will still remain uncivilized theocratic dreamers or terrorists. But I know that there are millions in this camp who do not think the West, the EU, the USA, or Israel, is the enemy. Moses spent 40 years in the desert so that the Jewish slave parents, who fled Egypt, would mostly die out. What we see know is the beginning of the end of the Muslim or Arab terrorist and suicide-bomber generation(s), and their children coming to embrace the secular freedom of the European Enlightenment - something the great Ataturk (father of the Turks) already realized at the end of World War One on behalf of what is know Secular Turkey; but now, Turkey's less educated, more religious, people in the East of Turkey have put into the office of Prime Minister, Mr. Erdogan; time will tell which way Turkey will go, particularly if its substantial minority, the Turkish Kurds, wake up and demand non-violently, their own secular minority rights.

Posted by: Ludvikus | February 22, 2011 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Human is human should be the new motto of this age. We cannot abide a tyrant of any sort massacring his people under the protection of sovereignty, it is time to enforce the "Responsibility to Protect" that was developed after the genocide in Rwanda.

There should be blue berets on the ground right now, we need a UN with teeth.

Posted by: rakista | February 22, 2011 3:10 PM | Report abuse

NBC News and news services
updated 5/15/2006 12:01:00 PM ET 2006-05-15T16:01:00

WASHINGTON — The Bush administration said Monday it will restore normal diplomatic relations with Libya for the first time in over a quarter century after deciding to remove Moammar Gadhafi’s country from a list of state sponsors of terrorism.

“We are taking these actions in recognition of Libya's continued commitment to its renunciation of terrorism and the excellent cooperation Libya has provided to the United States and other members of the international community in response to common global threats faced by the civilized world since September 11, 2001,” Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said in a statement.

As part of the process, the United States will open an embassy in Libya, upgrading the current U.S. liaison office in Tripoli.

Removing Libya from the list of countries the United States considers to be state sponsors of terrorism means a 45-day public comment period will begin on Monday, after which Libya would be removed from the list.

“Today marks the opening of a new era in U.S.-Libya relations that will benefit Americans and Libyans alike,” Rice added.

Posted by: motorfriend | February 22, 2011 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Munich Olympic Massacre
Constable Fletcher Murder
Rome/Vienna Airport Massacres
Berlin Discoteque Massacre
PA103 Massacre
UTA772 Massacre
IRA proxy massacres
EU Nurse Prison Sextortion
Swiss hostage extortion

Castro (for once) is right– 41.5 billion barrels of oil reserves appear to mean Kaddafi has richly earned yet another chance to massacre innocents.

Nemo me impune lacessit

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | February 22, 2011 3:14 PM | Report abuse

"There should be blue berets on the ground right now, we need a UN with teeth"

Do you really want one? They would have to enforce the NUMEROUS resoltions against Israel, and would also have to prosecute Bush and Co. for their war in Iraq, which was deemed ilegal by the UN under interational law. Ooops...

Posted by: MooseSteak7 | February 22, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse

You have to blame Obama and all European countries and other Arab Dictators who were supporting that Killer

Posted by: galal4u | February 22, 2011 3:21 PM | Report abuse

David -

Just caught on did you. where were you for the last 40 years. Piling on? jdb

Posted by: jbratten | February 22, 2011 3:21 PM | Report abuse

[MooseSteak7 drooled: "prosecute Bush and Co. for their war in Iraq, which was deemed ilegal by the UN under interational law."]

*RUBBISH* Of the 22 legitimate casus belli cited by Congress against Saddam, neither America nor Israel have EVER been accused by the UN of anything so egregious.

Saddam did try to kill a former American president; the U.N. embargo was violated (as were its inspection protocols); the 1991 accords were ignored; the genocide of brave Kurds did happen; suicide bombers were being given bounties; terrorists (including those involved into the 1993 World Trade Center bombing) were given sanctuary by Saddam; and on and on.
http://www.husseinandterror.com/

Your anti-American smear campaign in the context of Kaddafi's terrorist massacres are grotesque.

*RUBBISH*

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | February 22, 2011 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Gaddafi -- Another mess Bush handed to Obama to clean up.

Why has everyone forgotten that George W. Bush led the way to have Gaddafi readmitted to the "community of nations."

George W. Bush told us Gaddafi had changed, he was an example of what positive diplomacy could do to dictators.

Bull. Now it breaks down after the Constitution requires Bush to leave office, and the mess falls to his successor.

We continue to pay a price for the mistakes made by George W. Bush.

Posted by: 1EgoNemo | February 22, 2011 3:30 PM | Report abuse

"America nor Israel have EVER been accused by the UN of anything so egregious."

Oh no...only a war that left some half million civians dead (cheerlead by unsubstantiated propaganda from this very media rag I might add.) And for what? Lies. But I guess Iraqi lives don't matter do they? don't matter do they?

Oh...and what did the US do when Sadam gassed the Kurds? Nothing. Quit waving your flag and read a little history--you're making a fool of yourself.

Posted by: MooseSteak7 | February 22, 2011 3:40 PM | Report abuse

The U.S. has very little credibilty after fifty years of propping up repressive dictators in order to feed our reliance on Middle Eastern oil. Also, our totally biased and shortsighted protection of Israel at the expense of the Palestinians has contributed to the failure of peace negotiations. Unfortunately,the most we can do is provide moral support and provide assistance in setting up democratic structures after the governments are overthrown. The people of each country have to take responsibility for the outcome. Of course it would much easier for them to fight for their freedom if they didn't have to face the American weapons the governments are using against them.

Posted by: jp1943 | February 22, 2011 3:43 PM | Report abuse

KaddafiDelendaEst wrote the following *Rubbish*:
Saddam did try to kill a former American president; the U.N. embargo was violated (as were its inspection protocols); the 1991 accords were ignored; the genocide of brave Kurds did happen; suicide bombers were being given bounties; terrorists (including those involved into the 1993 World Trade Center bombing) were given sanctuary by Saddam; and on and on.

That stuff is *Rubbish* because we CAN ALL READ CALENDARS.

The current Iraq War started in MARCH 2003.

The first bombing of the World Trade Center, the greatest incident of ignoring the 1991 Accords and the assassination attempt on George H.W. Bush ALL OCCURRED IN 1993.

So, did the U.S. thus earn coupons for war, that it could redeem at any time in the future?

Those weren't 'causus belli,' they were RATIONALIZATIONS.

As those were all PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS during which peace was maintained (the same President George HW Bush IGNORED the Kurdish genocide, we DID send in fighter strikes when the 1991 Accords were ignored, and Iraq DID NOT possess weapons of mass destruction, certainly not any of a type, quantity or capability to threaten American sovereignty) --- clearly NONE of the items you mentioned created a true state of war.

Waiting 10 years to act on 'causus belli?' Either it taking a long time these days to mobilize the Marines, or BUSH WAS JUST MAKING EXCUSES, WHICH YOU NOW IGNORANTLY REPEAT.

Posted by: 1EgoNemo | February 22, 2011 3:45 PM | Report abuse

If you want to fight Gaddafi (or any other madman of your choice) - feel free to take gun in your own hands and go fight. But please leave President Obama, United States, me, my sons and my money out of it.

We have jobs to do and money to spend right here, near my home. Class sizes in my sons' school grew from 20 students to 30 students in the last year. School library is closed - no money for a librarian's salary. Why bother about who rules Lybia? It is insane to bother about far away countries when education in our own country goes down in a spiral. No?

Posted by: MikePlacid | February 22, 2011 3:46 PM | Report abuse

"He is a madman; The U.S. media says so, the European media says so, Al Jazeera says so. It is fact.

All you need for evidence is the fact that he has use military jets to bomb his own civilians and hired foreign mercenaries to suppress his own countrymen. Both of these facts have been widely reported and accepted as fact.

Gee...just like the Uranium Yellowcake for Iraq was? How about the babies ripped out of incubators by Iraqi soldiers?

I think the people of Libya can do a lot better. But you should understand that the picture we recveive in the Western media is often biased and quite often outright BS. How about Obama caliming their CIA dude that waxed two operatives in Pakistan was a diplomant? Don't beleive everything you hear or read. Dig deeper.

Posted by: MooseSteak7 | February 22, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I am sure David has this nut case properly characterized, however not sure, Libya is any of our affair, other than Democratic White Noise.

Posted by: dangreen3 | February 22, 2011 3:55 PM | Report abuse

@ 1EgoNemo Nice work putting KaddafiDelendaEst in his/her place.

Posted by: MooseSteak7 | February 22, 2011 3:57 PM | Report abuse

[1EgoNemo drooled: "So, did the U.S. thus earn coupons for war, that it could redeem at any time in the future?... BUSH WAS JUST MAKING EXCUSES."]

The custom of representative Republics is to list the "long train of abuses" (casus belli) which hails back to our Declaration of Independence.

The 22 legitimate casus belli were cited by a bi-partisan resolution of CONGRESS-- not Bush.

Try harder to keep up, moron.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | February 22, 2011 3:58 PM | Report abuse

[MooseSteak7 frodig@ 1EgoNemo: "Nice work"]

You know, Uday and Qusay aren't using their rape rooms anymore-- maybe you 2 should book reservations.

*weak*

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | February 22, 2011 4:03 PM | Report abuse

As soon as Obama says anything supporting the revolution, that gives Gaddafi all he needs to say it's an American-backed plot and come down even harder. I believe Obama would like nothing more than to see that freak go down hard and fast, but he can't risk handing Gaddafi a pretext to slaughter his people even more than he's already done. Same is true in all these countries--if it gets branded as American-backed, it's all over.

Posted by: iowanic | February 22, 2011 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Munich Olympic Massacre
Constable Fletcher Murder
Rome/Vienna Airport Massacres
Berlin Discoteque Massacre
PA103 Massacre
UTA772 Massacre
IRA proxy massacres
EU Nurse Prison Sextortion
Swiss hostage extortion

Castro (for once) is right– 41.5 billion barrels of oil reserves appear to mean Kaddafi has richly earned yet another chance to massacre innocents.

Nemo me impune lacessit

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | February 22, 2011 4:06 PM | Report abuse

"You know, Uday and Qusay aren't using their rape rooms anymore-- maybe you 2 should book reservations."

Ouch...I guess the truth hurts. Why would I go all the way to Iraq? Guantanimo is a lot closer.

Posted by: MooseSteak7 | February 22, 2011 4:06 PM | Report abuse

[MooseSteak7: "Guantanimo is a lot closer."]

Our honorable American service men and women wouldn't have you.

What happened? Is Soros all out of punch and pie, lamebrains?

Why isn't billionaire progressive George Soros financing any unhinged Leftist rent-a-mob rallies against ObaMao's summary execution of (un-Mirandized!) civilians by Reaper drone airstrikes in Pakistan?

Afterall, The Obamateur's tactics were clearly more "violent" than Mubarak's secret police beatings.

The Obamateur's policy to use Reaper drones to target (un-Mirandized!) civilians has increased markedly without a peep. Get busy, progressives.

Rev. Wright should burn a Koran every day until The Obamateur either releases his birth certificate or his regime flees the country.

*Rage against the machine*

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | February 22, 2011 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Gaddafi's whack job regime is circling the drain. At this point it's only going to be a short time before he's out of power & has fled to some other nutto country.

Posted by: Nymous | February 22, 2011 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Recall the climatic scene from “LOTR: Return of the King” when Sauron’s Ring melts in the crack of Mount Doom; The Dark Tower crashes; and Mordor itself swallows up the enemy?

That’s what we’re witnessing in the Middle East today as Islamo-autocratic power melts in the fires of Iraqi democratization.

Saruman Soros and Wormtongue Obama can now only watch in frustration as Bush and Cheney are born triumpantly on eagles’ wings into history... The End

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | February 22, 2011 4:18 PM | Report abuse

@KaddafiDelendaEst "... either releases his birth certificate..."

Ah...the true colors come out. I You actually seemed semi-intelligent. You're a birther?? OMG LOL.

No fan of the drones myslef. People wonder why they want to kill Americans. If a Paki dropped a hellfire missile on my kids....hmmm.

I'm neither a Democrat or a Republican. I see right through that partisan BS, they are all pretty well the same.

Posted by: MooseSteak7 | February 22, 2011 4:22 PM | Report abuse

@KaddafiDelendaEst "... either releases his birth certificate..."

Ah...the true colors come out. I You actually seemed semi-intelligent. You're a birther?? OMG LOL.

No fan of the drones myslef. People wonder why they want to kill Americans. If a Paki dropped a hellfire missile on my kids....hmmm.

I'm neither a Democrat or a Republican. I see right through that partisan BS, they are all pretty well the same.

Posted by: MooseSteak7 | February 22, 2011 4:22 PM | Report abuse


Everywhere majority is authority. The media reports and TV footage imply that now people of Libya donot want to see Gaddafi as their ruler. Gaddafi's use of force against his nation is not less than an act of terrorism. When his own country people want to get rid of him, it is better he should step down. His refusal will never save him, but it will lead to more deaths. He has ruled Libya for enough time, and now he should say farewell to his rule. His departure would be in the favour of the people and country Libya.

The US, UN, the Eurpean Union and other countries of the world must pressurise Gaddafi to stop further bloodshed and step down.

Inayatullah Rustamani,
Sindh,Pakistan.

Posted by: rustamaniinayat | February 22, 2011 4:28 PM | Report abuse

That Moosesteak dude sounds like some peacenik who'd go to Tripoli to protect the madman.

yeah, we all heard this stuff. Kim, Castro, Saddam are not as bad as American propaganda paints them. Neither was Pol Pot in his days.

For his ilk nothing can be worse than America. And his ilk includes Obama. Ignorant indoctrinated illiterates

Posted by: pihto999 | February 22, 2011 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Contrast and compare! Obama, Bush, and Clinton and their economic teams foisted off the free trade Ponzi schemes on the US and the world. They sank the economies of this country, Spain, Iceland, Greece, PortuGAL, Ireland, Norway, bilking millions of people out of their retirement savings. These monsters and heir Wall Street allies took the textile jobs that were the carrot we used to get Egypt and Jordan to sign peace accords with Israel and they outsourced those jobs to China, breaking the back of the Egyptian economy and removing the #1 source of jobs for those countries. Now, Egypt is allowing Iranian warships though the Suez canal, Egypt is more than likely to abrogate the peace accords they signed with Israel and we will have wars! All of this human misery so that a few greedy fools, parasites, could make more money, get elected. Now, Gaddafi is a nasty work, and is responsible for thousands of deaths, but his atrocities pale in comparison to the damage done by our American monsters. Mad men? You bet, but we have 'em here, too! Along with Gaddafi we need to jettison our own garbage.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | February 22, 2011 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Let us do an Iraq or Afghanistan in Libya. People in both places are far worse off than they were before.
Let us force Qaddafi out and leave the people to anarchy as happened in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Posted by: rsajan | February 22, 2011 4:48 PM | Report abuse

David; you're right. Obama is dithering on Libya, it's a preferred initial course of action in response to crises, exceeded only by Hillary.

As for Qadaffi, however, it was the Bush/Cheney administration that embraced him because he promised to abandon his chemical and nuclear programs that were as broken and disparate as Saddam Hussein's (sound familiar?)

Qadaffi knew that Bush/Cheney were looking for political targets and had the smarts to surrender preemptively (another irony) to stay in power and lay the groundwork for his son's succession. Essentially, Qadaffi, arguably the worst terrorist of modern time (Pan Am 103, etc), flourished throughout the Bush/Cheney's "war on terrorism." The neocons were more than willing to consider him a "success" to offset the international criticism and ridicule for the Iraq invasion/occupation.

If memory serves me correctly, as a FSO overseas at the time, Bush called Qadaffi "courageous" to further advance the shameless storyline, and Condi Rice couldn't stop gushing over him.

What a sorry, unprincipled, crowd they were, Cheney in particular! A few weeks in jail sounds about right.

Posted by: DCsandiego | February 22, 2011 4:57 PM | Report abuse

In the context of Lara Logan’s gang rape, it’s worth recalling the awful account of the EU nurse torture ordeals from Human Rights Watch.
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Bulgarian defendant, Kristiana Valceva, said interrogators used a small machine with cables and a handle that produced electricity. “During the shocks and torture they asked me where the AIDS came from and what is your role,” she told Human Rights Watch. She said that Libyan interrogators subjected her to electric shocks on her breasts and genitals. “My confession was all in Arabic without translation,” she said. “We were ready to sign anything just to stop the torture.”
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Read it all. Don’t turn away.
http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2005/11/14/libya12013.htm

This was the stick the “rehabilitated” Kaddafi clan used to great affect (along with oil carrots) to extort release of the Lockerbie bomber.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | February 22, 2011 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Let's hope the American people never forget that it was G.W. Bush who lifted American sanctions against Libya and granted Qaddafi international respectability. It was a craven thing to do.

Posted by: dsrobins | February 22, 2011 5:12 PM | Report abuse

[dsrobins LIED: "it was G.W. Bush who lifted American sanctions against Libya"]

*RUBBISH* The multi-national UN sanctions regime was lifted by the UN-- in exchange for Kaddafi accepting responsibility for terrorism and paying victims compensation.

Never forget it was American military might that compelled Kaddafi to bedwet: "I will do whatever the Americans want, because I saw what happened in Iraq and I was afraid."

Don't be an historical revisionist liar your whole life.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | February 22, 2011 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone imagine The Obamateur invoking Article 51 on Kaddafi?

"He counted on America to be passive. He counted wrong.”
--RWR--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5fOq9PYp8A

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | February 22, 2011 5:23 PM | Report abuse

You can always count on Kaddafi to take Western hostages.

BREAKING: VOA says America can't get our diplomats out
http://www.voanews.com/english/news/Foreign-Countries-Send-Planes-Ships-to-Libya-to-Evacuate-Foreigners-116668079.html

The Kaddafi clan are quite frank about their whole extortion racket. You imprison one of our terrorists? OK, we prison rape and torture your nurses until you pay us and release our terrorist.

It’s really that simple. Here's the suave western son, Saif...
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The Politics of Blackmail
http://www.newsweek.com/2007/07/31/the-politics-of-blackmail.html

“Blackmail? Maybe,” he says, considering the word. “It is blackmail, but the Europeans also blackmailed us. Yeah, it’s an immoral game by the way, but—I mean they set the rules of the game, the Europeans, and now they are paying the price.” They, and the Americans, too, for that matter, are merely serving their own political and economic interests, as far as Saif al-Islam is concerned. While the medics suffered, governments and multinationals were cutting deals. French President Nicolas Sarkozy even finagled an image-enhancing jaunt for his whimsical wife, Cécilia, as ostensible liberator of the prisoners. “She is the last person to come interfere in that issue and she is the person who took the medics with her back home,” said Saif al-Islam. “She’s very lucky. Lots of people tried in the past and they failed.” The reason: “The French [understood] the requirements and they were very flexible.”
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If you’re not severely nauseated or infuriated by all this, then you’re not paying attention.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | February 22, 2011 5:31 PM | Report abuse

The U.N has proven to be the problem not the solution> It is not about what is good for humanity but what is good for each individual nation and how they lean politically.It is a complete farce.If it had operated as a unit of countries who can throw aside their prejudice and just come together at anytime to put down the rogue nations like North Korea and Iran the world would be a peaceful place. Imagine the U.S.A Russia China,India and the European nations acting as one and telling these rogues to get in line only once and then take the hardest line immediately if if it meant military action jointly .that is when peace will come to the world.

Posted by: gardeo | February 22, 2011 5:50 PM | Report abuse

The WSJ and others are calling for global intervention. In view of the massacre of protesters by the state, please explain to me why the principle, now codified in international law, that the world community has a Responsibility to Protect the victims of abuse by their own government does not apply here and now? (see http://www.responsibilitytoprotect.org/ ) Since the Gaddafi thug-ocracy is using aircraft to attack civilians, a no-fly zone ought to be implemented as quickly as possible. I think the people of Libya would remember any such effort with gratitude.

Posted by: rboltuck | February 22, 2011 5:53 PM | Report abuse

The idea that President Obama should proclaim his stand on everything and anything that takes place in every nook and cranny in the world is neither practical nor is it productive. That is the job of his minions. Minions such Hillary Clinton , Secretary Gates and everyone else with a lesser pay grade.

Posted by: Obamarama1 | February 22, 2011 6:15 PM | Report abuse

The idea that President Obama should proclaim his stand on everything and anything that takes place in every nook and cranny in the world is neither practical nor is it productive. That is the job of his minions. Minions such Hillary Clinton , Secretary Gates and everyone else with a lesser pay grade.

Posted by: Obamarama1 | February 22, 2011 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Why don't we just hit the presidential palaces and other high value target with missiles from drones? Why let the world economy suffer for this fool any longer?

Posted by: chucko2 | February 22, 2011 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Great, David. We'll give you a Glock and a plane ticket and you can take your revenge.

Even Reagan and King George planned for a few days before sending the warplanes. I doubt that the administration is dithering. They are just as committed and moral as you. Shame on you for suggesting otherwise.

Posted by: j3hess | February 22, 2011 6:57 PM | Report abuse


Ignatius is the third neocon columnists this afternoon

trying to begin a rush for US troops to go into Libya.

Libya is near IRAN...and what little tricks or accidents could the Israelis pull to get some action in Iran from Libya?

Wouldn't it be nice to read what a real columnist, whose first interest is America,
thought on the subject. But you'll never see it in the Washington Post.

Posted by: whistling | February 22, 2011 7:12 PM | Report abuse


Ignatius,

Undoubtedly Gaddafi had heard, even in the '80s, what everyone else knows now,

that you're an Israeli shill.

Posted by: whistling | February 22, 2011 7:17 PM | Report abuse

"President Obama should recognize that this is a moral issue and find his voice. Yes, he has to worry about the U.S. diplomats remaining in Libya. But the Arab world is watching, and it will remember what Obama says and does."
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Didn't you write these very words two weeks ago? What's your point?

Posted by: abqcleve | February 22, 2011 7:23 PM | Report abuse

To all you people whining about Obama not doing enough/anything: What exactly would you like him to do? It's not as if we have much influence over Libya. Maybe you'd like to invade Libya and remove a 'menace to world peace' - we tried that before, remember?

Posted by: reader011 | February 22, 2011 7:35 PM | Report abuse

This wave of freedom amongst North African and the Middle East Arab and Muslim countries are very welcome and heart warming events of historical proportions . Nevertheless , the killing of innocent civilians in these popular uprisings of the oppressed people , by these brutal and authoritarian regimes is very saddening and unacceptable . The U. S., European Union and other freedom loving member countries in the United Nations should act fast , for sanctions , stringent preventive and punishing actions against the regimes in Libya ,Bahrain ,Yemen and others .

Posted by: dmfarooq | February 22, 2011 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Obama needs to have a chat with that no good UN secretary Binki binki moon. We need to pass a resolution condemning this idiot of a madman that President Reagan aptly said. I hope the UN-able will declare a no fly zone.

Posted by: joethefarmer | February 22, 2011 8:00 PM | Report abuse

so obozo where will ur brother be going? wapo giving this lunatic lot of face time. perhaps hillary can work out a deal. cash,oil for a nice condo in da city. dont want to violate this lunatics civil rights.will have access to all the drug dealers in our nations capital

Posted by: pofinpa | February 22, 2011 8:02 PM | Report abuse

So, a question asked no doubt countless times in the past. Where is the nearest U.S. aircraft carrier task force?

Posted by: perfgeek | February 23, 2011 12:53 AM | Report abuse

Krauthammer: "...the reticence of this administration is simply astonishing. This is a president who arrogantly went around the world in the first year in office saying how he was raising the moral standard of the United States in the world … [Yet] here he is — he has said nothing on what’s happening in Libya, which is a case of brutality and near-genocide — to use the word of one of Qaddafi’s own diplomats — the shooting of demonstrators from helicopter gunships, the strafing of demonstrators from bombers. ...Here was a president, our president, who went out there on television again and again on Egypt, which in comparison [to] what’s happening in Libya was Boy Scout treatment of those demonstrations. But ...a year and a half ago in Iran, where there was also a higher order of ruthlessness and brutality, shooting at the demonstrators in the streets, the mass trials and the rapes and the hangings and all that... he said almost nothing.

"Why can’t the president find a voice, (a) for reasons of morality, simply upholding our traditions, and (b) strategic interests?"

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | February 24, 2011 9:27 AM | Report abuse

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