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Posted at 10:14 AM ET, 03/ 2/2011

Another moderate in Pakistan is assassinated

By Fred Hiatt

Shahbaz Bhatti, who was assassinated outside his home in Pakistan today, came to visit a few of us at The Post one month ago. He was soft-spoken and matter-of-fact about the dangers he faced -- and about his refusal, almost his inability, to trim his sails to lessen those dangers. The risks he faced, as a voice for tolerance in an increasingly intolerant country, were risks that Pakistan faced -- and if he and like-minded figures stopped speaking up, what future would the country have?

Bhatti was a Christian in an overwhelmingly Muslim country, a minister in the government in charge of minority affairs, and most of all an unimaginably courageous voice of moderation. He opposed the nation's anti-blasphemy law, which increasingly is being used to silence and oppress. When another moderate leader, Punjab governor Salman Taseer, was killed two months ago, his assassin frighteningly became a hero for many in Pakistan. Bhatti was one of the few public figures willing to forthrightly condemn the murder.

Now Bhatti, too, is gone. There will be investigations, I suppose, into why his police guard was absent when gunmen surrounded his Toyota sedan this morning, despite calls from many (including Americans like Virginia Republican Rep. Frank Wolf) for increased security. There will be tributes and mourning, but they will be muted. Hopefully there will be deep thinking inside the U.S. government about what it can do to better support the forces of moderation.

On that subject, I remember two essential messages from Bhatti's visit. He said Americans maintained too little contact with the part of Pakistani civil society that believes in interfaith tolerance, that sees Islam as a peaceful religion willing to live alongside others. Bhatti himself had organized a network of such people, he told us, but U.S. officials were too busy dealing with the government, army and intelligence agencies to show support or even establish much contact.

His second message was that millions of Pakistanis remain committed to a vision of a Muslim country living in peace with its neighbors and with non-Muslims within its borders. As it became increasingly dangerous for such people to speak up, they were becoming decreasingly visible. But they are still there, Bhatti told us, and he urged Americans not to forsake or forget them.

By Fred Hiatt  | March 2, 2011; 10:14 AM ET
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Does this mean we need to bomb Pakistan?

Posted by: tjtucker | March 2, 2011 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Another critic of the dreaded law meets his fate. General Zia-ul-Haq, the most condemned military dictator of Pakistan’s history, had no idea that his amendment in the anti-blasphemy law will assume the status of a “divine law” within decades of his death. This amendment was made to please the clergy which was one of the sources of his strength and legitimacy and which he strengthened at the cost of the country. This was a man-made law by every definition and there were dissenting voices demanding to rewrite the procedure in order to minimize the chances of its misuse for personal reasons. However, with the spread of extremism in the country, any move to revise the procedure was deemed to be blasphemy itself. Read more at: http://fmeducation.wordpress.com/2011/03/02/after-salman-taseer-another-high-profile-critic-of-blasphemy-law-meets-his-fate%E2%80%A6/

Posted by: Ben32 | March 2, 2011 11:10 AM | Report abuse

The people who have killed this man are condemned by the majority of pakistanies.

Posted by: badisha | March 2, 2011 11:19 AM | Report abuse

The US always knew Pakistan was a terrorist dictatorship and Intelligence agencies have told the last two Presidents (publicized in national papers) that Pakistan was supporting the Taliban and had put them back in power in Afghanistan. Despite this, our idiot administrations on both sides of the aisle have given them billions every year while their corrupt governments continue to assassinate the opposition.

Posted by: drrealitycheck | March 2, 2011 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Yes, another display of the peaceful, reasonable, educated, open-minded, followers of mohammed. Gee, they're great folks.

Posted by: SalmonDaze | March 2, 2011 11:41 AM | Report abuse

badisha posted: "The people who have killed this man are condemned by the majority of Pakistanies."

Tragically not true.

Recall when the popular Muslim Governor Taseer was murdered for defending a Christian ?

More than 500 leading Muslim scholars, representing what the Associated Press describes as a “moderate school of Islam” and the British Guardian calls the “mainstream religious organizations” in Pakistan celebrated the murder, and warned that no Muslim should mourn Taseer’s murder or pray for him.

The radicals are mainstream Muslims and their clerics !!

Remember when Islam was called the ‘religion of peace” ?

Posted by: pvilso24 | March 2, 2011 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Pakistan is overwhelmingly tolerant and inclusive society. Take a look at the video of Iranian president with the rabbis of Neturei Karta and how effusively they meet and praise each other.

In pakistan, the US installed and praised military dictator was removed through the efforts of the judiciary and in no less way than Justice Rana Bhagwandas after the firing of the Chief Justice by the same odious dictator which US called inevitable.

American TERRORIST CRIMINAL and MURDERER Raymond Davis was recruiting Terrorists whose anger is manufactured by CRIMINAL and TERRORIST Drone attacks. Then through an elaborate mechanism, they are baited and provided explosives by CIA agents in Peshawar and brought to various parts of the country to blow bombs in mosques, shia and sunni, sufi shrines, police stations and intelligence offices and headquarters.

I bet this minister was killed by one who got weapons from Raymond Davis.

USA is a trecherous ally. Their face was unmasked when Herbert Walker Bush serially stabbed all his own allies in various countries such as NORIEGA, SADDAM (who was lured to Iraq by the same) and so on.

presstv.ir is now reporting that ISRAEL which spread guns all over the poor and uneducated africa and south america, is now bringing in the CHADIAN AFRICAN mercenaries to Libya.

Israeli arms distribution company Global CST has reportedly, under the authorization of Tel Aviv, provided Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi with African mercenaries to clamp down on anti-government protesters.


Egyptian sources have revealed that the Israeli company has so far provided Gaddafi's regime with 50,000 African mercenaries to attack the civilian anti-government protesters in Libya.

The arms company was previously convicted in an African country over illegal deals, News-Israel website reported.

Sources say Global CST had obtained the permission for providing the mercenaries to Gaddafi from the Israeli officials in advance.

Earlier, Global CST general manager had met with the head of the Israeli Intelligence Agencies (Aman) and Defense Minister Ehud Barak and obtained the permission for the measure.

The company representatives also met with Abdullah Sanusi, the head of Libyan Internal Intelligence, in Chad to discuss the details for a final agreement, the report says.

The mercenaries who attack the civilians in Tripoli have mostly come from Chad.

Gaddafi regime pays $2000 per day for each mercenary. The mercenaries receive $100 per day and the remaining goes to Global CST, the report says.

Meanwhile, the United States has demanded the UN Security Council (UNSC) to remove the provisions of charging mercenaries with war crimes in the killing of Libyan civilians.

The request is for the UNSC to word the resolution in a way that no one from an outside country that is not a member of the International Criminal Court could be prosecuted by the Court for their actions in Libya.

Posted by: ElliotSlatkin | March 2, 2011 12:45 PM | Report abuse

correction:

USA is a trecherous ally. Their face was unmasked when Herbert Walker Bush serially stabbed all his own allies in various countries such as NORIEGA, SADDAM (who was lured to Iraq [Kuwait] by the same) and so on.

Iraq should be replaced by Kuwait.

NOTE:

Justice Rana Bhagwandas is a very religous Hindu. One wants a person to be a good and honest citizen, regardless of religion. The whole nation is indebted to his services for democracy and removal of the american praised and installed dictator.

presstv reference
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/167814.html

Posted by: ElliotSlatkin | March 2, 2011 12:51 PM | Report abuse

video reference link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-r04SQ97_Q

We know that CIA sent its murderers on the minorities minister to put pressure on pakistan. If the AMERICAN HIT AND RUN murderer has absconded and is at large, how could this one's killers be easily apprehended unless there is a trail of camera footage from a network of cameras all over the country ?

Did the FBI ever find MADOFF by itself ? Has the CIA apprehended and brought ROMAN POLANSKY to LOS ANGELES court where he is wanted ? What about Garrido type criminals ?

In this case when the US govt is well aware that VIENNA CONVENTIONS dont apply and it knows the names and identities of the HIT AND RUN criminals, it should cooperate and hand him over.

You cant justify one wrong with another.

Posted by: ElliotSlatkin | March 2, 2011 12:57 PM | Report abuse

It really doesn't matter who killed who. Pakistan is a 3rd world atomic power with no regard for human life. You cannot take a country living in the 17th century and bring them into the 21st century over night especially when their religious faith demands killing anyone in diagreement or opposition to the religious establishment. Time has come to get out, let them all kill themselves before they actually turn on us and we have another war on our hands.

Posted by: unshuldig | March 2, 2011 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Pakistan's law and order situation today is a result of primarily USA backstabbing.

George Herbert Walker Bush was one of the most ODIOUS men on earth. This men should be brought out and spit on. His profligate son was no less, as were his associates, mean people like Cheney and Rumsfeld, aided by NEOCON ASHKENAZI KHAZAR JEWS for creating MISCHIEF on the face of the earth.

Soon after the breakup of the Soviet Union, the CIA, RAW, MOSSAD etc entered pakistan trying to destabilize the law and order situation in karachi and various parts of the country.

Then they went after Iraq. Previously, for a decade, they had engineered the Iran-Iraq war to derail the Iranian revolution which was ENTIRELY KOSHER.

General Zia was killed by the CIA.

911 was done by CIA.

Anthrax was done by the same.

With so much terror , mischief and false-flag sown on this planet, such single murders are no suprise.

The world needs a case like that of ROMAN POLANSKY to get the secrets of the crimes out so that AMERICAN PEOPLE themselves can find out what the crimes are and can successfully prosecute their own criminals.

In this effort , the patriotic WHITE AMERICANS will have to take the lead.

Posted by: ElliotSlatkin | March 2, 2011 1:13 PM | Report abuse

correction,

RAYMOND DAVIS

not

ROMAN POLANSKY

Posted by: ElliotSlatkin | March 2, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Islam is moderate. CIA is CRIMINAL INTERNATIONAL AGENCY. MOSSAD is evil.

It is CIA and CIA-RAYMOND DAVIS who was RECRUITING TERRORISTS for bombs and attacks on SUFI SHRINES IN PAKISTAN. We know, and now pakistan has EVIDENCE. One CIA rat has been caught and he has NO IMMUNITY and will be interrogated.

The world has not forgotten how 20+ ashkenazi khazar jews gathered from all over europe, UK, Australia, Newzealand, Germany, USA, France, Poland etc.

in DUBAI just to

KILL ONE MAN

and

MAKE IT LOOK LIKE
A N-A-T-U-R-A-L DEATH.

They were smiling men and women faces, but with MURDER in their hearts.


Here is the true face of Islam :

http://www.uga.edu/islam/Sufism.html

Sufism -- Sufis -- Sufi Orders
Sufism's Many Paths
Dr. Alan Godlas, University of Georgia

Sufism or tasawwuf, as it is called in Arabic, is generally understood by scholars and Sufis to be the inner, mystical, or psycho-spiritual dimension of Islam. Today, however, many Muslims and non-Muslims believe that Sufism is outside the sphere of Islam. Nevertheless, Seyyed Hossein Nasr, one of the foremost scholars of Islam, in his article The Interior Life in Islam contends that Sufism is simply the name for the inner or esoteric dimension of Islam.

After nearly 30 years of the study of Sufism, I would say that in spite of its many variations and voluminous expressions, the essence of Sufi practice is quite simple. It is that the Sufi surrenders to God, in love, over and over; which involves embracing with love at each moment the content of one's consciousness (one's perceptions, thoughts, and feelings, as well as one's sense of self) as gifts of God or, more precisely, as manifestations of God.

# Workshop On Sufism with Dr. Godlas in the Bahamas, December 23-26, 2010 As a part of the Unity in Diversity Symposium and Celebration held at the Sivananda Ashram Yoga Retreat in Nassau, Bahamas, Dec. 22, 2010 to Jan. 1, 2011, Dr. Godlas will be giving a series of presentations (on Dec. 23, 24, 25, and 26th) involving both lectures on the practice of Sufism as well as sessions of silent and vocal dhikr (i.e., Sufi meditation and chanting). Participants are welcome to come for just Dr. Godlas' presentations, for the entire symposisum, or for any part of it. For costs and reservations, see the information at Sivananda Ashram website, linked here.
# Sufi Spiritual Transformation Workshop w/Dr. Godlas March 29-30, 2008, near Kalamazoo, Michigan.
# Sufis Without Borders An online discussion group loosely moderated by Dr. Godlas and a moderating committee; currently over 860 international participants from many Sufi orders and perspectives, interested non-Sufis, and scholars.
# Sufi News and Sufism World Report The only news digest from around the world concerning Sufis and Sufism. Updated daily.
# Sufi Cartoons
Table of Contents
Sufism: an Introduction
Classical Sufi Definitions of Sufism
Obstacles on the Path
Struggle With One's Nafs (self)
Awakening to the Awareness of the Unseen

Posted by: ElliotSlatkin | March 2, 2011 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Raymond Davis has no diplomatic immunity. Criminal International Agency (CIA) or the US Government can go and prove it in the Pakistani court.

Pakistani courts are free.

US can also go to the international criminal court (ICC which it does not respect and accept its jurisdiction) and can show documentation there and get a judgement that he has immunity to bring it to pakistani court. I can assure you that US would lose such a case in ICC.

This ICC case will happen with Raymond Davis in pakistani custody and questions from pakistan to ICC via video teleconference.

His custody will not be changed. He is a goldmine of information on US crimes in pakistan.

Posted by: ElliotSlatkin | March 2, 2011 1:40 PM | Report abuse

VIDEO: Pakistan vows to catch Bhatti killer
BBC News - ‎44 minutes ago‎
The assassination of Pakistani minister Shahbaz Bhatti is a "blow to all those who believe in high values of freedom", says Wajid Shamsul Hasan, high commissioner of Pakistan to the United Kingdom. Mr Bhatti, Pakistan's only Christian cabinet minister, ...

Posted by: ElliotSlatkin | March 2, 2011 1:45 PM | Report abuse

"911 was done by CIA.

Anthrax was done by the same."

Elliot, get back on your meds.

Posted by: SalmonDaze | March 2, 2011 1:52 PM | Report abuse

^^^ the drugs that YOU NEED are here

http://911blogger.com/

with lots of links and informations

Posted by: ElliotSlatkin | March 2, 2011 1:55 PM | Report abuse

The assassins were just following their good book.

Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.” Qur’an 2:191
“Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.” Qur’an 9:123
“When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them.” Qur’an 9:5
“Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.” Qur’an 3:85
“The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them.”... Qur’an 9:30
“Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam” Qur’an 5:33
“Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.” Qur’an22:19
“The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them.” Qur’an 8:65
“Muslims must not take the infidels as friends.” Qur’an 3:28
“Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.” Qur’an 8:12
“Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels.” Qur’an8:60

Posted by: gfhoward258 | March 2, 2011 2:16 PM | Report abuse

^^^all out of context ... and forged or mistranslated

but i give full link for complete context

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm

The Truth will stand on its own merit

A Jewish Defector Warns America:

Benjamin Freedman Speaks

by Benjamin H. Freedman

Introductory Note -- Benjamin H. Freedman was one of the most intriguing and amazing individuals of the 20th century.

Mr. Freedman, born in 1890, was a successful Jewish businessman of New York City who was at one time the principal owner of the Woodbury Soap Company. He broke with organized Jewry after the Judeo-Communist victory of 1945, and spent the remainder of his life and the great preponderance of his considerable fortune, at least 2.5 million dollars, exposing the Jewish tyranny which has enveloped the United States.

more at the link

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm

Posted by: ElliotSlatkin | March 2, 2011 2:44 PM | Report abuse

On the one hand the conservative Benjamin Disraeli, a passionate
advocate of imperial power and glory.

And on the other, his lifelong adversary, the liberal William
Gladstone, who championed the moral vision of Prince Albert and David
Livingstone.

Gladstone was driven by a sense of high moral purpose, and a heavy
burden of guilt, in part because his own family had once made a
fortune from slave labour.

As the leader of the Liberal Party Gladstone campaigned for the export
of civilised values through commerce, not conquest.

Gladstone feels that the empire is there, there's not much you can do
about it.

He doesn't want to add to it and he believes that imperialism is a
creed which can contaminate the British people, make them warlike,
aggressive.

Whereas he thinks of a world in which there is universal peace.

When he looks at imperialism he says this, is this Godly and he
decides it isn't.

He sees it as might somehow triumphing over right.

And he's rather frightened, if the British people get entranced with
empire they'll go gallivanting off fighting wars here there and
everywhere, spend a lot of money and cease to be a moral force in the
world.

This view was fiercely contested by his great rival, Benjamin
Disraeli. Disraeli first moved into the Prime Minister's office in
1867 and for the next 15 years he and Gladstone would alternate in
power.

Disraeli believed in the expansion of the British Empire.

He liked to claim that his ancestors had been rich Venetian merchants
trading with the Orient and this gave him a romantic enthusiasm for
imperial adventures.

Disraeli viewed the empire as an extraordinary asset. The empire made
Britain a great power, a global power and also enabled it to have
plenty of muscle in Europe.

And Disraeli of course likes the glamour of Empire. He sees it
bestowing prestige on the country. He eventually hopes that the white
colonies will not follow the American course but remain emotionally
tied to Britain particularly through the person of the Crown.

But Victoria was still in mourning. Since the death of Prince Albert
she had lost interest in the Empire and all other affairs of state.

Victoria went into what I call Purdah I think because she felt
incompetent to handle being a Queen. Albert had done the work for her
so long, Albert had done everything, thought out everything for her,
arranged everything for her that she did not feel she was up to it
again.

The Queen found some consolation with the Scotsman John Brown. She
began writing about him a few months after Albert's death:

"I have an invaluable Highland servant who is my factotum here and
takes the most wonderful care of me, combining the offices of groom,
footman, page and maid, I might almost say as he is so handy about
cloaks and shawls. He always leads my pony and always attends me out
of doors ... "

I think she also enjoyed his picking her up in his arms and putting
her on her horse. And taking her off her horse again. For the first
time

Posted by: ElliotSlatkin | March 2, 2011 2:55 PM | Report abuse

"Mr Gladstone is a very dangerous man. And so very arrogant,
tyrannical and obstinate, with no knowledge of the world or human
nature ... All this and much want of regard towards my feelings make
him a very dangerous and unsatisfactory Premier."

She was not amused when he proposed that sailors might be permitted to
grow beards. And she was horrified by moves towards female equality.

"The Queen draws Mr Gladstone's attention to the mad and utterly
demoralising movement of the present-day to place women in the same
position as men."

But it was Gladstone's private life that caused Victoria the most
concern.

"Because of his fanatical religion he felt everyone had to be
converted to his ways of morality and ethics. He would go out on the
streets at night, even when he was Prime Minister, and solicit
prostitutes, take them back to their rooms, give them bibles. He
would give them money and he would ask them to tread the straight and
narrow ways.

Disraeli always loved the company of women and he was very good at
flattering women. And I think with Queen Victoria he was able to see
that she was lonely. And Disraeli was able to charm her, and to
flatter her. And I think very importantly one of the things that
Disraeli did was to encourage her to take a far more active role in
public affairs. The result of this was that basically he had Queen
Victoria as an ally particularly when he was Prime Minister.

And this was absolutely crucial I think to the success of Disraeli's
Ministry. That the Monarchy was behind it. Disraeli set out to
increase Britain's prestige and expand Victoria's Empire, and within a
year of taking office fate dealt him a brilliant opportunity.

Just five years before the Suez Canal had been carved through the
Egyptian desert. It permitted ocean-going ships to pass between the
Mediterranean and the Red Sea, linking Europe and the East. For
Britain it was the lifeline to her greatest imperial possession.

India with 400 million people was the largest overseas territory any
empire has ever owned. The Queen called it the most precious jewel in
her crown and Disraeli feared that a rival power would cut the new
imperial artery.

The Suez Canal was absolutely crucial to Britain's Empire. Suez was
the jugular vein if you like of the British Empire.

It was through the Suez Canal that the route to India, the short route
to India which was so strategically important happened.

So for Disraeli it was very important and he was quite right in this I
think, that Britain should have a controlling influence over the Suez
Canal.

The shares in the Suez Canal company were owned by a number of French
investors and the ruler of Egypt, the Khedive.

The Khedive had spent Egypt's wealth on palaces, museums and
railways. Now, he was deep in debt to banks in London and Paris. The
Canal showed no prospect of paying a dividend for years and he
desperately needed funds. In 1875, he made a secret offer to the
British.

Disraeli wrote urgently to the Queen:

Posted by: ElliotSlatkin | March 2, 2011 3:12 PM | Report abuse

The Russian military claims that the supposed air strikes launched by Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi against protesters last week did not happen, suggesting that the key event seized upon by the global media as a justification for a “humanitarian” military intervention was a contrived hoax

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TncgsS0FDWg

Editor’s note: The corporate media faithfully reads from the script provided by the government and the Pentagon. Remember Saddam’s aluminum tubes, WMDs, and babies thrown out of incubators? Remember the Gulf of Tonkin? War invariably begins with lies, as the Nazi Goering knew. He said “the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders,” either through lies, fear, or both.

According to Al Jazeera and BBC, on February 21 Libyan government inflicted airstrikes on Benghazi – the country’s largest city – and on the capital Tripoli. However, the Russian military, monitoring the unrest via satellite from the very beginning, says nothing of the sort was going on on the ground.

At this point, the Russian military is saying that, as far as they are concerned, the attacks some media were reporting have never occurred.

http://www.voltairenet.org/article168682.html

The same sources in Russia’s military establishment say they are also monitoring the situation around Libya’s oil pumping facilities.
(Po besedah ameriškega obrambnega ministra Roberta Gatesa na Zahodu ni soglasja o morebitnem posredovanju v Libiji. Hkrati je dodal, da bi bila razglasitev prepovedi preletov nad Libijo izjemno zapletena. »Različni scenariji, ki jih navajajo mediji, imajo posledice, zato jih je treba najprej temeljito proučiti,« je dejal Gates.)

Posted by: ElliotSlatkin | March 2, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse

The vast majority of American Muslims interpret the Quran sensibly, reject violence in God's name and believe in the right of any person to practice the religion of his choice. But on a global scale, it's hard to know which Islam is winning.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/7783332/moderate_islam_1013_a_religion_of_peace.html

Posted by: MGonyea | March 2, 2011 3:31 PM | Report abuse

One last thing...I just read a reference made above to a certain Dr. Godlas of UGa. I suspect he is an invention and not a real person, but it is very true that many Muslims, while they agree that the Quran is the perfect and literal word of God, believe that man must continuously strive to "read between the lines" to have any hope of comprehending its true meaning.

Posted by: MGonyea | March 2, 2011 4:00 PM | Report abuse

I am Pakistani and I am ashamed that this happened in Pakistan and majority of Pakistani condemned it. Mr. Bhatti was Pakistani and you don't need to be our master to tell us what to do.
This has nothing to do with Islam. Killers were terrorist and we are handling these terrorist and we will handle them.

One question. Why Raymond Davis case was not shown on western media. Only Guardian has written on it after one month. You were so quick to pick up this topic today but why have you not picked Raymond Davis case? He killed 2+1+1 persons.

Posted by: kad2 | March 2, 2011 4:52 PM | Report abuse

So Elliot Slatkin, what is your real Muslim name? You smell like an educated, but radicalized Paki Brit.
Come on, speak up, you Takfiri!

Posted by: ChrisFord1 | March 2, 2011 5:21 PM | Report abuse

CIA agent Raymond Davis recruits Terrorists for ????? why ?????

lets assume this is TRUE, then:

1) Since Raymond Davis recruits Terrorists clears one thing Muslim terrorists are for sale nowadays. Since majority of people living in Pakistan are muslims thus terrorists in Pakistan are muslims (otherwise a non-muslim terrorist would have been caught by now)

2) Since Muslims Terrorists are killing other Muslims how can they be matyr (http://www.al-islam.org/al-serat/concept-ezzati.html)

3) Now if Terrorists are placing bombs in Mosques, Offices, Shrines, Institutions and kill innocent Muslims and Non-Muslims for money so those Muslims who praise their acts are in a way supporting CIA and America and still consider them wrong.

4) Now these attacks have been officially accepted by all such extremist islamic organisations. As in case of Mr. Bhatti in Pakistan.
Only the Jamait-e-Islami have condemned that such act was carried out by CIA or Mosad.
Now who told him this is another question however, none of islamic terrorists groups whose name were mentioned denied thier involvement in this act.

Lets say this is FALSE:

Everyday in Karachi, Lahore and other major cities innocents get shot by mobile snatchers, car hijackers, kidnappers etc..police tries hard but in no vain...
Now:

1) WHEN YOUR'E FACING A LOADED GUN WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE (FRANK COSTELLO)

Now the persons who got shot were they carrying guns (whether loaded or not who cares)....YES
Was Raymond Davis (whatever is his name this is another story)....YES

Now in this situation where you have to make sure his metal don't get into your body you shoot...it doesn't matter one, two bullets, a single mag or two mags, bottomline is You just shoot.

Everyone by now knows he works for CIA so if he was carrying a gun is not a surprise..however the two people who got shot were also carrying handguns..Can anyone please confirm as whether those people had authorization to carry weapon as well i.e. Permit and License? Who were those people?

I am not supporting Raymond Davis for his act But can anyone please tell me what if tommorow you are on a traffic signal and two bypassers on motorbike with handguns (loaded or unloaded) points it at you and tries to loot you. What would you do:

1) If you didn't had a gun?

2) And if you had ONE?

Just think.

Posted by: NMT1 | March 2, 2011 5:45 PM | Report abuse

What if Mr. Shahbaz Bhatti was carrying a gun wouldn't things have been different....

Maybe then the story would not have been about An American killing two people who tried to loot him...

But a Christian Minister shots Muslims to justify himself. Now he should also be convicted for acting in name of RELIGION AND SELF DEFENSE !!!!!!

Posted by: NMT1 | March 2, 2011 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Murder is the worship of Satan. This is a simple fact for believers whether they are Muslim, Christian or Jew. There is no redemption. There is no excuse. Murder dissolves the soul.

Posted by: buddecj | March 2, 2011 6:06 PM | Report abuse

I am Pakistani and I am ashamed that this happened in Pakistan and majority of Pakistani condemned it. Mr. Bhatti was Pakistani and you don't need to be our master to tell us what to do.
This has nothing to do with Islam. Killers were terrorist and we are handling these terrorist and we will handle them.

One question. Why Raymond Davis case was not shown on western media. Only Guardian has written on it after one month. You were so quick to pick up this topic today but why have you not picked Raymond Davis case? He killed 2+1+1 persons.

Posted by: kad2 | March 2, 2011 4:52 PM | Report abuse
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Murder is the worship of Satan. This is a simple fact for believers whether they are Muslim, Christian or Jew. There is no redemption. There is no excuse. Murder dissolves the soul.

Posted by: buddecj | March 2, 2011 6:06 PM | Report abuse
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Thats why RAYMOND DAVIS must be hanged and all NEOCONS should be hanged also for their deceit , lies , war and murder. Bush, cheney, immunity must be revoked like the ISRAELI president MOSHE KATSEV was ARRESTED by ISRAELI police for 9 or 10 rapes.

Its CIA creating TERRORISTS by killing people by drones and then the relatives are lured by RAYMOND DAVIS and that other one AARON who pretended to convert to ISLAM and then gives them weapons and explosives through another layer. They show these terrorists videos that they have with Prime Minister Gilani saying you go and do drones. Thus they are proven that Pakistan govt is secretly with CIA.

ITS A VERY MISCHIEVOUS OPERATION.

If Davis is hanged, the CIA BRAGGARTS will melt like wax and men of clay. They are cowards who only attack defenseless and unarmed civilians. Against Russians armed with ICBMs and other weapons, they never dared lift a finger.

Posted by: ElliotSlatkin | March 2, 2011 7:53 PM | Report abuse

THE RECRUITMENT PROCESS OF TERRORISTS BY CIA, RAW, MOSSAD IN PAKISTAN

Its CIA creating TERRORISTS by killing people by drones and then the relatives are lured to REVENGE by RAYMOND DAVIS and that other one AARON-types who pretended to convert to ISLAM and then gives them weapons and explosives through another layer. They show these terrorists videos that they have with Prime Minister Gilani saying you go and do drones. Thus they are proven that Pakistan govt is secretly with CIA.

They have been showing these videos LOOONG before WIKI Leaks. The wikileaks is a CIA operation because it did not even touch ISRAEL, 911 inside job, or INDIA. This is VERY CONSPICUOUS.

The concept of wikileaks (ie turning public against rulers by showing what they probably did not mean and were forced to play) was tested in this very manner. The goal here is to create ANARCHY and use it to go to NEXT phase of 911 inside job. We are faced with the UTTER EVIL of KHAZAR ASHKENAZI race. They are also the BANKSTERS against whom JESUS even showed his anger.

ITS A VERY MISCHIEVOUS OPERATION.

If Davis is hanged, the CIA BRAGGARTS will melt like wax and men of clay. They are ABJECT COWARDS who only attack defenseless and unarmed civilians. Against Russians armed with ICBMs and other weapons, they never dared lift a finger.

Posted by: ElliotSlatkin | March 2, 2011 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Pakistan just keeps America’s Pakistani-apologists proving wrong that ‘Pakistan is a moderate Islamic country‘.

American news media will faithfully report the turning up of many Pakistanis to cheer the killer of this Christian minister just as it did over the killer of Punjab governor, while still continuing to propagate the myth about illusionary moderate character of Pakistan’s Islamic fundamentalist society.

Longer the news media here continue this myth, more the Pakistani society will prove them wrong, over and over again.

Posted by: martymartel3 | March 2, 2011 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Come, come whoever you are This Caravan knows no despair Even though you have broken your vows ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uaOzB3iMwI

Come, come whoever you are This Caravan knows no despair Even though you have broken your vows ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uaOzB3iMwI

Come, come whoever you are This Caravan knows no despair Even though you have broken your vows ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uaOzB3iMwI

Posted by: ElliotSlatkin | March 2, 2011 8:39 PM | Report abuse

This is not an individual case.
It is a result of teaching and preaching.

Christians and other minority religions are attacked, killed and run away all over the Muslim world.
From Algeria, Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq, Pakistan, Indonesia, Iran

Questions;
Why not a single party in the 57 Muslims countries don’t demand to change the curriculum and close all the hate teaching madrases?

Posted by: mordechayariely | March 2, 2011 9:25 PM | Report abuse

This is not an individual case.
It is a result of teaching and preaching.

Christians and other minority religions are attacked, killed and run away all over the Muslim world.
From Algeria, Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq, Pakistan, Indonesia, Iran

Question;
Why not a single party in the 57 Muslims countries don’t demand to change the curriculum and close all the hate teaching madrases?

Posted by: mordechayariely | March 2, 2011 9:27 PM | Report abuse

This is just another article by left wing media to let us know that Islam is mostly a religion of peace and that it is America's responsibility to keep Islam peaceful and secular. Hilarious and childing journalism. The history and current affairs of Islam are just the opposite of WaPo is telling us.

Posted by: KathyZ7 | March 2, 2011 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Islam is not a religion of peace. Neither is Christianity, Judaism, etc. They are proponents of "peace" as long as one believes in their god(s) and devine messengers as the last word. If not, look out, there is a bullet, bomb or myriad forms of persecution that will visit you and yours to corect the errors of your way.

Posted by: elwoll | March 3, 2011 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Middle East Cartoons
ww.zoharme.com

Posted by: ZoharMe | March 3, 2011 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Islam is the religion that preaches and promotes violence and evil. EVERYONE knows that. EVEN THE EDUCATED MUSLIMS KNOW THAT, BUT, A VERY BIG BUT, there is nothing that you or I or they can do about it because MUSLIMS ARE LIKE THE PROVERBIAL SHEEP. They have to follow the leader, The moment one decides to leave the group(in this case Islam), others will descend on him and pressure , and torture him that he would have to 'repent' and follow the crowd. If the guy is still stubborn and wants to renounce Islam and (maybe) embrace another religion, his days on the Earth will be numbered. He would die a gory death and the (Hypocrite) Muslims will proclaim it to be an act of ALLAH. Many educated Muslims realise that Islam is totally devilish cult, but they just CANNOT LEAVE. THEY WILL BE KILLED BY OTHER MUSLIMS. So the Muslims are basically leading a life of lies, they join (have to)the crowd is condemning anything said against Islam. Anyone who wishes to stay out of that 'holy crusade' will stick out like a sore thumb. He will be targeted and soon killed. SO, WHEN ONE CANNOT WIN, WHY TRY AT ALL AND DIE TRYING?
DO you sincerely think that they do not realise that the religion they had been born into is devilish? They know but they just cast bloody hell do anything about it. MANY OF THEM SILENTLY PRAY TO THE GOD THEY HAVE SECRETLY COME TO LOVE.
Some of them escape to secular countries and change their identity or quietly embrace a new religion and live a new life.
IF TOMORROW AN INFLUENTIAL ULAMA ISSUES A FATWA THAT IT IS OKAY TO LEAVE ISLAM. THE NEXT DAY THEIR GRAND MOSQUES WILL BE EMPTY AND THE CHURCHES, TEMPLES AND SYNAGOGUES WILL BE FILLED WITH NEW FOLLOWERS. THE
ULAMA WHO ISSUED THAT FATWA WOULD HAVE DIED BY THEN BECAUSE SOME FANATIC WOULD HAVE PUT A BULLET IN HIS HEAD.
This is the TRUTH and the real SAD story of Islam.
What the Educated Muslims must do is leave that cult religion in large numbers. That is the only modus operandi that can liberate them. Leaving Islam one by one is totally impossible. One can forget about that route.
Oh Muslims. come join us CHRISTIANS, HINDUS AND BUDDHISTS to make our world a livable place. May God have Mercy on all of us. Amen.

Posted by: malawimega | March 3, 2011 8:40 PM | Report abuse

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