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Posted at 9:04 PM ET, 03/ 1/2011

What was wrong with Huckabee's comments on Obama and Kenya

By Stephen Stromberg

It's the Republican equivalent of a Freudian slip: Mike Huckabee says he misspoke when he repeatedly claimed that President Obama grew up in Kenya and that this might inform the president's views on foreign affairs. And the depressing thing is that Huckabee's probably telling the truth.

As Huckabee's spokesman says, the former Arkansas governor isn't a closet birther. In fact, he's criticized the fairy-tale rhetoric some on the right use to criticize the president, and he hasn't really been a leading advocate of the "Obama-is-The-Other" line.

This episode demonstrates something more pernicious than the existence of one more Obama conspiracy theorist. It demonstrates the extent to which references to birther-like mythology -- and its less-offensive-but-still-pretty-absurd cousin, the Dinesh D'Souza-inspired speculations about Obama's "Kenyan, anti-colonial worldview" -- have become embedded in conservative political culture. It demonstrates the extent to which Republican politicians feel the need to indulge the portions of the GOP base for whom Obama's "Kenyan" roots matter -- whether by asking for his birth certificate or merely suggesting that this man, who has in many ways lived a quintessentially American life, is nothing like the rest of us in some fundamental, worryingly foreign way.

I'd be happier if it weren't so believable that Huckabee was simply floating around on auto-pilot, mouthing the sorts of things he heard at CPAC.

By Stephen Stromberg  | March 1, 2011; 9:04 PM ET
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What everyone fails to understand peregrine Obama does not qualify to be a citizen even if he was born in Hawaii.

He does not meet the subject to jurisdiction standards in the 14th Amendment. Nor does the peregrine President meet the citizenship standards found in the Supreme Court case Wong Kim Ark.

Peregrine Obama had an alien father who had no intention to remain in the United States and become a citizen. He was a transient student.

The Supreme Court told us in 1973 a President must not only be a citizen he must be a natural born Citizen.

The Supreme Court has told us a natural born citizen is born to citizen parents. The Court has never told us a NBC is born to an alien and a citizen.

Peregrine Obama as a President violates the Law of Nations, chapter 19, section 212: a natural born citizen is born to citizen parents. A country should desire this. A country cannot perpetuate itself unless its citizens are born from citizens.

The Supreme Court told us in 1974 the Law of Nations has been a part of our laws for 200 years.

Thomas Jefferson wrote we must refer to the Law of Nations in all matters.

In all matters. This includes natural born citizenship.

George Washington wrote: "prosecute all crimes against the Law of Nations".

It is time the news media stop covering for this peregrine in the White House.

Posted by: dancingrabbit | March 1, 2011 9:56 PM | Report abuse

What everyone fails to understand peregrine Obama does not qualify to be a citizen even if he was born in Hawaii.

He does not meet the subject to jurisdiction standards in the 14th Amendment. Nor does the peregrine President meet the citizenship standards found in the Supreme Court case Wong Kim Ark.

Peregrine Obama had an alien father who had no intention to remain in the United States and become a citizen. He was a transient student.

The Supreme Court told us in 1973 a President must not only be a citizen he must be a natural born Citizen.

The Supreme Court has told us a natural born citizen is born to citizen parents. The Court has never told us a NBC is born to an alien and a citizen.

Peregrine Obama as a President violates the Law of Nations, chapter 19, section 212: a natural born citizen is born to citizen parents. A country should desire this. A country cannot perpetuate itself unless its citizens are born from citizens.

The Supreme Court told us in 1974 the Law of Nations has been a part of our laws for 200 years.

Thomas Jefferson wrote we must refer to the Law of Nations in all matters.

In all matters. This includes natural born citizenship.

George Washington wrote: "prosecute all crimes against the Law of Nations".

It is time the news media stop covering for this peregrine in the White House.

Posted by: dancingrabbit | March 1, 2011 9:56 PM | Report abuse

dancing rabbit apparently missed his meds again.

Posted by: arunc1 | March 1, 2011 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Bring on tbe clowns . . . 3 . . . 2 . . .

Posted by: newsraptor | March 1, 2011 10:36 PM | Report abuse

It's less "a Freudian slip" than "rightwing Tourette."

Posted by: mishi69 | March 1, 2011 10:42 PM | Report abuse

It's less "a Freudian slip" than "rightwing Tourette's."

Posted by: mishi69 | March 1, 2011 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Huckabee is a ----bag and Obama has more class and dignity in his butt than all you republicans and conservatives have in all your collective bodies. I would tax you all at Eisenhower rates and throw half of you in jail for treason.

Posted by: proudlefty1 | March 1, 2011 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Proves one very profound fact....

Huckleberry is just as much of a f&*%tard as every other Republican politician.

Tune in tomorrow when Newt Gingrich says - "Golly gee whiz, Mom...did you have to give me this candy-a$$ name?!"

Posted by: captainkona | March 1, 2011 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: arunc1
"dancing rabbit apparently missed his meds again."


No, it was born that way. And believe me, there's no medication that can cure chronic stupidity.

Posted by: captainkona | March 1, 2011 11:16 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: proudlefty1
"Huckabee is a ----bag and Obama has more class and dignity in his butt than all you republicans and conservatives have in all your collective bodies. I would tax you all at Eisenhower rates and throw half of you in jail for treason."


I love you, man. :)

Posted by: captainkona | March 1, 2011 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for the earlier double post....

So I was curious to see how Fox covered one of their quislings "misspeaking." Did a search. Not one word on this story. Not one. Unfair, unbalanced, and shameless.

Posted by: mishi69 | March 1, 2011 11:33 PM | Report abuse

When do we get the Chuck Lane piece defending Huckabee?

Posted by: DougJ3 | March 1, 2011 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Not that "dancing rabbit" merits any response, but the 1898 U.S. Supreme Court case he pretends to cite, US v. Wong Kim Art, 169 U.S. 649, actually holds that, "Every person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen thereof." The status of the person's parents is completely irrelevant. In Wong Kim Art, the parents were Chinese who were in San Francisco when their son was born. They later returned to China with their son. When the son attempted to return to the U.S.,custom officers arrested him and attempted to deport him on grounds that he was "not a U.S. citizen." The Supreme Court declared otherwise. I know that facts are inconvenient to most "conservatives," but I still think it's important to rub their noses in it now and then.

Posted by: davidbernsteinla | March 2, 2011 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Huckabee should be able to beat our OTP (One Term President) fairly handily, probably 52% to 48%. Huckabee....2012!!

Posted by: Phil6 | March 2, 2011 12:23 AM | Report abuse

Mike Huckabee didn't misspeak and he didn't make a Freudian Slip. He lied. He's supposedly a Christian, or so he claims,and as Boehner would say, "we have to take him at his word" on that, but the truth is that Huckabee uses his perch at FOX to portray himself as a chirpy, goody two-shoes, modern-day Elmer Gantry, and he LIED THRU HIS POINTED LITTLE TEETH to infer to his half-wit, inbred listners, that Obama is a Kenyan transplant. Period. He was bearing false witness against his neighbor, and scoring some cheap political points with his racist, uneducated, southern base. I thank him for showing his true colors.

Posted by: beachykeen02 | March 2, 2011 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Saying Huckabee is popular in the South is like saying all good Southerners have a picture of Glenn Beck in their out house. Both are true, but neither mean crap

Posted by: wasaUFO | March 2, 2011 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Mike Huckabee is a neocon. Neoconservatism is the antithesis of Democracy. Neocons are insurgents who would dismantle our Constitution and ignore the principles for which it stands.

Those neocons who have the most money and power, those who are deciding the strategy and tactic necessary to elect their candidate seek not to govern but to rule. If they occupy the White House, we the People will be their subjects, no longer citizens of a free nation, to be used as is necessary to acquire a monopoly of the world's markets. Neocons are the modern day Trojan Horsel.

Posted by: outridercastle | March 2, 2011 1:03 AM | Report abuse

@davidbernsteinla "I know that facts are inconvenient to most conservatives,' but I still think it's important to rub their noses in it now and then."

Not just inconvenient, but, if Huckabee's any example, meaningless.

Posted by: mishi69 | March 2, 2011 1:25 AM | Report abuse

Irrespective of which side of issue one is, the way Gov Huckabee is connecting issues/ places so incoherently and backtracks later (that too badly, how can one say misspoke when the context clearly shows different) indicates he has not thought out issues and speaks whatever comes to his mind. A few days while supporting First Lady’s program he made it a National Security issue. In polls after polls he leads GOP in potential 2012 primary hopefuls! Effect of anchoring a TV show?

Posted by: akkashyap | March 2, 2011 1:47 AM | Report abuse

Phil6: "Huckabee should be able to beat our OTP (One Term President) fairly handily, probably 52% to 48%."

Yeah, well, I so hate to disappoint you...a Fox News poll - Fox News! -from three weeks ago shows Huckabee losing to Obama, 49 to 41. But hey, I'm sure being shown up as a delusional liar will help Huck with the independents.

Posted by: mishi69 | March 2, 2011 2:03 AM | Report abuse

Somebody has noted that in a 24 hour news cycle if you are thinkng about running for presidentyou have to be pitch perfect on everything...fact is Huckabee all things considered while Huckabee may be prone as anyone else to "mispeaking"(people are such nitpickers??-fact is all of our backgrounds influence how we view the world-including Obama's time abroad), Regarless-Huckabee is by far the best communicator of the potential field of Candidates and barring a repeated issue with fundraising will be VERY competitive as a candidate...The only problem I can forsee is Sarah Palin canceling out some of his votes and making a way for the Mitt Romney/(JOhn Kerry disguised as a conservative) to win the nomination. But PUH -LEAZE- I hear talk about Newt wanting to run????WHAT????? gimme a break people-who in their right mind would contribute to Gingrich...regardless of his intelligence...his likeablity rates are off the charts in the wrong direction. I like Mike. I think he is postioned to make give the Romney machine a run for it's money. Mitt is gonna have to spend ALOT of his personal fortune to beat Huckabee back and my few dollars are on the Dark horse who was governor of AR for 11 years ..that is 2 & a half terms, Chairman of the Governors assoc and ready to be President.
Oh and he was a baptist preacher too just in case the media hasn't told you! ;)

Posted by: tktimoteo | March 2, 2011 2:15 AM | Report abuse

Huckabee is soft on crime; commuting the sentences of murderes who "claimed" to have found Jesus. One of these "saved souls" recently killed four police officers in Washington state. Huckabee has the blood of four slain police officers on his hands!

Posted by: ginabw | March 2, 2011 2:40 AM | Report abuse

Huckabee is soft on crime; commuting the sentences of murderes who "claimed" to have found Jesus. One of these "saved souls" recently killed four police officers in Washington state. Huckabee has the blood of four slain police officers on his hands!

Posted by: ginabw | March 2, 2011 2:40 AM | Report abuse

The huckster is not so much a liar as a man who is indifferent to the truth or falsity of what he says. For more information, see the little book by Harry G Frankfurt, the title of which cannot be posted in these comments.

Posted by: hellslittlestangel1 | March 2, 2011 4:21 AM | Report abuse

It's amazing how all these issues that have been knocking around for decades suddenly became existential problems the minute a black man was sworn into office.

Posted by: bawrytr | March 2, 2011 4:47 AM | Report abuse

Dancingrabbit

Dude, what you are saying makes perfect sense. But it's too late. Osama bin Laden moved into, and has been pulling the strings from Cheney's basement bunker since day one.

My advise is to stop posting on these sites, they're watching, you know, gathering names getting ready for OPERATIONKILLTHEHONKIES. Why do you think Osama hasn't closed Guantanamo? Think about it, they are going to send the survivors to Cuba.

My advice is to burn your hard drive, dump the computer and the cell phone (they can track you with it, you know) fortify your basement and buy lots and lots of guns and ammo. The Arkansas National Guard is auctioning off some Korean War era tanks, too. I'd be all over that, if I were you.

Act before it is too late, really.

Posted by: bawrytr | March 2, 2011 5:00 AM | Report abuse

Huckabee also believes the earth is 6000 years old -- with that sort of a grip on reality, I would hardly be surprised at anything he says. Mispoke? That was one very long, interconnected mistatement.

Posted by: johnnormansp | March 2, 2011 6:11 AM | Report abuse

Thats ok Huckie....we know you meant to say No-Bama was BORN at Coastal Provincial Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya and then GREW UP in Indonesia where he was registered at school as a Muslim...Its no secret anymore...except to our Dear Supreme Court members who fail to uphold our Constitution by denying standing in the eligibility lawsuits. Like Michelle Obama I am not proud of my country anymore for allowing this political fraud to come to power..

Posted by: JUNGLEJIM123 | March 2, 2011 6:27 AM | Report abuse

dancingrabbit....

OMG the stupifyingly stupid comment is so over the top that it makes the top of ones head nearly blow off. Commit yourself now and save your family the disgrace of a 96 hour stand off with the "foriegn militia" run by perigrine Obabam...your an idiot.

Posted by: chrisel0 | March 2, 2011 8:09 AM | Report abuse

My, my the fraudian anxiety over any white Southerner who remembers the president's pilgramages to Kenya, his education in a Muslim school in Indonesia, his "We-are-the-world" approach to campaigning and
international union and corporate dependancy.

Forget Joe Biden, the beer summit, the "I'll walk the picket line" promise,
and focus on his "certificate of legal birth" from our farthest flung outpost of the states. It seems yet another diversion,
of which this White House has become the leading slight-of-hand man.

Meanwhile, there's a two-week CR in place and a 2011 budget to get through, after the Democrat controled Senate took a week off to pose on TV interviews claiming collective bargaining is a "Democratic Right".

Sorry folks, you can play all the got-ya politics you want, but governance is suffering, and I still don't hear a reasonable word about correcting it...
just another swipe at a Republican.

I'm waiting for the POST to put their "corrections" on the editorial page with opposition comments laced through the commentary. What's the temperature in Hell? Freezing yet?

Posted by: BluePelican | March 2, 2011 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Note to beachykeen02: imply is the verb to use when referring to what the speaker is trying to get across. The speaker implies that, say, the world is not round. Infer is the verb to use when referring to what the listener "gets". The listener infers that the world is flat. These verbs are not synonyms and are not interchangeable.

Posted by: Enlishisimportant | March 2, 2011 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Huckabee was only partly right. Obama is actually a Kenyan Marxist Muslim.

Posted by: wewintheylose1 | March 2, 2011 8:35 AM | Report abuse

The quote from Huckabee is given on Time's site as follows:

"The bust of Winston Churchill, a great insult to the British," Huckabee said. "But then if you think about it, his perspective as growing up in Kenya with a Kenyan father and grandfather. he probably grew up hearing that the British were a bunch of imperialists who persecuted his grandfather."

This is not an example of a slip of the tongue, but either a deliberate falsehood or an example of complete ignorance by Huckabee. In either case he is not fit to be a candidate for President, which is why he was rejected resoundingly in 2008.

People in the Republican party that don't know their own nether parts from a hole in the ground do not deserve to be taken seriously. That goes for all such spreaders of falsehood. CB

Posted by: chrisbrown12 | March 2, 2011 9:18 AM | Report abuse

If that were the case, let us not forget all the Mexicans in the same way. I thought if you were born in America you were a citizen. But then, i'm not sure when Hawaii became a state either. At any rate, we would have to treat a Mexecan in the same category in the future. You can't run down one without the other.

Posted by: moonlightstar | March 2, 2011 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Not that "dancing rabbit" merits any response, but the 1898 U.S. Supreme Court case he pretends to cite, US v. Wong Kim Art, 169 U.S. 649, actually holds that, "Every person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen thereof." The status of the person's parents is completely irrelevant. In Wong Kim Art, the parents were Chinese who were in San Francisco when their son was born. They later returned to China with their son. When the son attempted to return to the U.S.,custom officers arrested him and attempted to deport him on grounds that he was "not a U.S. citizen." The Supreme Court declared otherwise. I know that facts are inconvenient to most "conservatives," but I still think it's important to rub their noses in it now and then.

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your casae would hold merit if obumbles had been born in a state but at the time of his birth Hawaii was not a state yet.
so go figure your rambles again

Posted by: robertbeaver | March 2, 2011 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Dancing Rabbit,

Jefferson's mother, Jane Randolph, was born in Shadwell, England, outside of London. So TJ was an illegitimate president as well?

Stop watching Fox and please lose Orly Taitz' phone number, willya?

Posted by: booktoneaolcom | March 2, 2011 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Of course Huckabee lied. He knew very well President Obama did not grow up in Kenya. It is a new tactic we are seeing more and more from right wing politicians. It goes like this:

1. Say something offensive, extremist, and erroneous.
2. Have a “spokesperson” correct the record.

This way there is video tape to show the teabaggers, birthers, and wingnuts proving solidarity with beliefs, while being able to say they misspoke and corrected the error, but no video tape exist showing them admitting the error.

Posted by: GabsDaD | March 2, 2011 10:38 AM | Report abuse

robertbeaver wrote: your casae would hold merit if obumbles had been born in a state but at the time of his birth Hawaii was not a state yet.
so go figure your rambles again
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President Obama was born on 4 Aug, 1961. Hawaii became a state on 21 Aug, 1959. Wrong again wingnut. Once again, open mouth, insert teabags.

Posted by: GabsDaD | March 2, 2011 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I caught the Huckabee show on Fox once, and it left me with a very bad impression. It was about how terrible Canadian health care was and how we need to fight against anything like it. They cut to a plant in the audience, an unattractive overweight woman who purported to be Canadian, who rambled on about the horrors of universal health care with a single payer system.

That woman was either a phony, or was the least attractive person in Canada. I've been up there 100 times or more, never met a person like her. Also I've never met a Canadian who didn't like their health care system, so that was odd. And lastly she went on and on about how wonderful it was to live next to the United States, the most wonderful country on earth, who did such a great thing in invading Iraq, blah blah blah.

That Huckabee would hitch his wagon to a circus act like that spoke poorly to me of his seriousness and judgment.

Posted by: member8 | March 2, 2011 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Look. It matters because Huckabee is posturing as a Presidential candidate. And it matters because it appears that he was willing to peddle a G-damned lie. Huckabee has marked himself as yet another in a long line of republicans who have their heads up the crusty, stinking innards of some of the worst possible low lifes in the country. It marks him now along with Palin and Bachmann as morally, politically, culturally, personally, and yes, religiously unfit to be anywhere near the Office of the Presidency.

This turkey now finds himself in the company of the foulest, most ignorant, most filthy group of people in this country.

Posted by: jaxas70 | March 2, 2011 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Look. This crabby, smelly assortment of oddballs--birthers, Birchers, dittoheads, white supremacists, religious nuts, and the sort of filth who show up at the funerals of our dead warriors--should all be rounded up and put on a shuttle to Shutter Island where their view of the world would be appreciated--and treated.

Posted by: jaxas70 | March 2, 2011 11:24 AM | Report abuse

He also, as governor, turned lose a hardened criminal who, a few years later, walked in to a restaurant in Seattle were four cops were eating breakfast and shot all of them dead. Just wanted to point that out. In case anyone didn't know, or had forgotten.

Posted by: member8 | March 2, 2011 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Hogan Gidley, Huckabee's spokesman, says the former governor "simply misspoke when he alluded to President Obama growing up in 'Kenya.' The Governor meant to say the President grew up in Indonesia."

This is patently a lie.

The Mau Maus were in Kenya, not Indonesia; and the colonial power in Indonesia was The Netherlands, not Great Britain.

Posted by: LHHeadJr | March 2, 2011 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Wewintheylose1, I would rather have a Kenyan-Marxist-Muslim than anything you foul, witless, Limbaugh-anal smelling goblolley of morons have to offer. Hell, Gadhafi would be preferable to Palin or Bachmann. Or Hickabee for that matter. They would be rounding up all nonbelievers and penning them in concentration camps where they could "reeducate" them into the Pat Robertson mode of thinking.

Posted by: jaxas70 | March 2, 2011 11:30 AM | Report abuse

dancingrabbit | March 1, 2011 9:56 PM is a bit behind the times. If he/she is going back 200 years without taking into account the legal/social/constitutional and myriad of other changes that have taken place since, he's talking about a country where it was legal to have black slaves, where women were men's property, and where "dancing rabbits" were not commenting via cyberspace. If he/she really wants to go back to that time, let him/her stop making inane comments on his computer and sending them to a newspaper that doesn't even exist yet. Ismael

Posted by: CallmeIsmael | March 2, 2011 11:54 AM | Report abuse

The "Big Lie" is nothing new to Republican Tea Bag culture.

It is the bed rock of Republican Tea Bag culture...all the way back to the days of when it was Republican Birch Society culture.

Posted by: toconn2 | March 2, 2011 1:12 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe that Stromberg is right about Huckabee making an honest mistake. Huckabee is not as obvious or smarmy about it, but he engages in the same tactics that all Republicans have been engaging in for lo these many years. To wit: go on a right-wing talk show and toss out red meat to the rabid base and then, once you've been busted on the lies by the mainstream media, cop to the "mistake" and say you "misspoke." You get it both ways: the base gets to hear what they want and they don't pay attention to the "lame stream media" so don't hear the apology and recantation, and the center of the electorate gives you a pass because you admitted you were wrong and apologized.

Saying "Iraq" when you meant "Iran" is misspeaking. Getting the year wrong of the fall of the Berlin wall is a mistake. Repeatedly saying that the president was raised in Kenya and hence is Un-American and not one of us is lying.

Posted by: shunt1 | March 2, 2011 1:19 PM | Report abuse

The Supreme Court has told us a natural born citizen is born to citizen parents. The Court has never told us a NBC is born to an alien and a ,,
________________________________________

These guys will just go on and on inventing things- just like they did centuries ago to justify enslaving other races: "white man's burden." "Non-human or sub-human" etc. etc.

The Supreme court's only standard for a natural born citizen was to be born on U.S. soil- period

Posted by: interactidiomas | March 2, 2011 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Mike Huckabee repeatedly LIED, as do most Republicans.


Posted by: lindalovejones | March 2, 2011 1:42 PM | Report abuse

dancing rabbit,

I need those Supreme Court cases you referenced.
Use gmail or YouTube.

Posted by: borderraven | March 2, 2011 1:48 PM | Report abuse

davidbernsteinla,

The "holding" in USA v Wong Kim Ark was about his US Citizenship, not Natural Born Citizen.

http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu149/SilverBull8/question-usa-v-wong-kim-ark1.png
http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu149/SilverBull8/question-usa-v-wong-kim-ark2.png

The holding in Perkins v Elg (1939) was that she was a "natural-born citizen".

Posted by: borderraven | March 2, 2011 2:01 PM | Report abuse

John Bingham in the 37th Congress 2nd Session House of Representatives 1862
"All persons born within the Republic, OF PARENTS OWING ALLEGIANCE TO NO OTHER SOVEREIGNTY, ARE NATURAL BORN CITIZENS." [This would rule out dual-citizens from being natural-born citizens.]

In United States v. Rhodes (1866), Mr. Justice Swayne, sitting in the Circuit Court, said:
"all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens.” [This would rule out dual-citizens from being natural-born citizens.]

Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939)
“The court below, properly … declared Miss Elg 'to be a natural born citizen of the United States.” [Note: Marie Elg’s mother benefited from derivative naturalization under the 1855 Act of Congress.]

Posted by: borderraven | March 2, 2011 2:04 PM | Report abuse

dansingrabbit - what are you using? President Obama was born naturally (no drugs were used :0)), and his mother was a US citizen. Period. It's either he is a US citizen or they would have to cut him in half to allow the "American" half to stay in America with his mother, and the "Kenyan" half to go with his father. When you figure out how to do that let me know. Or are you saying once again that a woman has no rights? Is that why you think the child should go with the father? Mmm?

Posted by: julieforBarack | March 2, 2011 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Reporters/columnist/newscasters need to stop indulging these liars.

Huckabee lied!!!

Misspeaking is when you get a small detail wrong. Not only did he lie (I know I like using this word in reference to "the liar":)) but he went on to say that Pres. Obama's upbringing in Kenya with his father; grandfather; etc. shaped his views - lie. His grandfather was dead. To claim he meant Indonesia doesn't even make sense - Mau Mau Revolution in Indonesia - please not even close to being "misspoken".

He's a liar!!!

Posted by: rlj611 | March 2, 2011 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I've read scores of news articles on Huckabee's gaffe and most of the comments here and I fail to see one person mention the fact that Obama DID spend the ages of 5 to 10 in Indonesia. So, don't know if that counts as "growing up" in a foreign country. But he did indeed spend a good part of his childhood abroad. And he used that as part of his appeal when campaigning.

And no, I don't believe he's a secret Muslim or was born in Kenya.

Posted by: merrie7137 | March 2, 2011 2:37 PM | Report abuse

It's a bit of a stretch (well, more than a bit) to believe that Huckabee simply "misspoke" about BHO being a Kenyan. But for the sake of argument (only), let's concede this point. But even that generous concession (after all, at times he does disavow the "birthers") surely puts his most fervent supporters way over the line into madness or imbecility (of course, it hardly matter which). One of these folks thinks he is a "Kenyan Marxist Muslim;" another thinks he was born in not-yet-a-state (although it really was) Hawaii. They're even contradicting each other. Priceless.

Trying to engage in rational discourse with such persons is futile. My senile Yorkshire terrier possesses better reasoning skills.

Posted by: post_reader_in_wv | March 2, 2011 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Huckabee is acertainly a liar when he said that he "misspoke". A career politician and talk show host know how not to misspeak.

Huckabee intended to remind white people of the obvious-the President is black-and the known-his father was a black Kenyan.

Instead of saying the N...word Huckabee and his fellow Klan/White Citizens Council/Confederate cronies-Gingrich, Barbour, McConnel, DeMint, they use the K..word Kenyan. Now that the M...word aka Muslim has not borne any fruit. A minor variation on the birther theme.

Huckabe's weak denial is reminiscent of Jimmie Carter's oft repeated firm claim that he would not talk about Chappaquiddick and how Ted Kennedy panicked in a crisis letting that poor young girl die. Jimmie was a Great White Shark when needed.

Posted by: blackmamba1 | March 2, 2011 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Republicans need to keep insisting that our President is "very different than the average American" or their 'belief' that Obama is an invalid usurper of the Presidency is false.

For Republicans, it's a faith-based world and to claim that what they believe isn't true is just as offensive to them as saying that that their "Faith" is wrong. That the Bible isn't rue, word for word.

Evolution, global warming, government for the common good, science? Facts are offensive to 'Believers'.

It's no surprise that Huckabee polls ahead of all others in the South. They still believe that we should celebrate the Treason of The Confederacy and the Traitors that led them into War against the U.S.A.

Posted by: thebobbob | March 2, 2011 5:20 PM | Report abuse

To borderraven

My point had nothing to do with US citizenship versus "natural born citizenship." Dancing rabbit claimed that it didn't matter whether Obama was born in Hawaii because he did not "meet the citizenship standards found in the Supreme Court case Wong Kim Ark" because one of his parents was not a citizen, but an alien who had no intent to remain in the U.S. and become a citizen. I was simply pointing out that dancing rabbit's reference to Wong Kim Art case was completely fraudulent and that the case says the precise opposite of what he claimed.

Posted by: davidbernsteinla | March 2, 2011 5:57 PM | Report abuse

The parents of WKA were determined by the Court to be permanent residents.

Obama senior was not a permanent resident.

Justice Gray was appointed by President Arthur, who had his own natural born citizen problem. Gray had to figure out a way to justify Arthur's natural born citizenship. Along came WKA.

Obama gains citizenship not from the Constitution..he attains it from the 14th Amendment if he meets the subject to jurisdiction. Since his father was a transient alien with no permanent resident status..it is impossible for him to be a citizen.

If there is this doubt about his presumed citizenship..how can he possibly be a natural born citizen.

The Constitution is more important than Obama.

Remember what Vattel tells us..

A Country cannot perpetuate itself unless its citizens are born from citizens. A country should desire this.

Posted by: dancingrabbit | March 2, 2011 6:41 PM | Report abuse

WKA was affirmed a citizen..he was never affirmed a natural born citizen.

Posted by: dancingrabbit | March 2, 2011 6:43 PM | Report abuse

How could WKA's parents be "permanent residents" of the US when, at the time the case was heard, they had moved back to China? A "natural born" American citizen is a person who was born in the United States. Period. Whether one, or both, of his parents are aliens, or what their intent was regarding staying here or leaving here, has nothing to do with whether their US-born offspring is a natural born citizen. Obama is a natural born American citizen as defined by the Supreme Court in the WKA case, and, since he is over 35, he is entitled to serve as President if so elected. If you're so anxious to go after Obama, please try doing it with legitimate issues. There are plenty of them out there.

Posted by: davidbernsteinla | March 2, 2011 8:25 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: robertbeaver | March 2, 2011 10:08 AM

your casae would hold merit if obumbles had been born in a state but at the time of his birth Hawaii was not a state yet.
so go figure your rambles again

Oh my, poorly educated AND a bad speller.
Robert dear, President Obama was born on August 4th 1961.
Hawaii became OUR 50th state on Aug. 21, 1959.
Looks like you are weak in mathematics TOO?

Posted by: reduiatethis | March 2, 2011 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: robertbeaver | March 2, 2011 10:08 AM

your casae would hold merit if obumbles had been born in a state but at the time of his birth Hawaii was not a state yet.
so go figure your rambles again

Oh my, poorly educated AND a bad speller.
Robert dear, President Obama was born on August 4th 1961.
Hawaii became OUR 50th state on Aug. 21, 1959.
Looks like you are weak in mathematics TOO!!!!!!

Posted by: reduiatethis | March 2, 2011 9:04 PM | Report abuse

There are people who believe what they want to believe, and nothing will ever convince them otherwise. I remember seeing a TV interview with a JFK assassination conspiracy promoter who said that the fact that no irrefutable evidence of a conspiracy had yet emerged proved there was a conspiracy (otherwise things wouldn't be so tidy).

Those determined to hate and delegitimize Obama will never believe he was born in the US, no matter what. Their minds are made up and anything that doesn't conform with their belief is irrelevant.

Posted by: bpai_99 | March 5, 2011 3:49 AM | Report abuse

As near as I can figure, Huckabee made a simple misstatement caused by confusing two similar things. Obama's father was born in Kenya, a former British Colony. He was raised for several years in Indonesia, another nation with ties to the Empire, by his mother and step-father.

Oh, and dancingrabbitt, the Immigration and Naturalization Acts of 1790 and 1795 say,

"And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States."

Since Obama's father was a legal resident in the United States for two years as a student, Obama IS a Natural Born Citizen no matter where he was born.

Posted by: blackfire64 | March 6, 2011 11:10 AM | Report abuse

davidbernsteinla

WKA was affirmed a citizen.

Posted by: dancingrabbit | March 6, 2011 11:54 AM | Report abuse

blackfire64


Obama's father was never a legal resident..he was not an immigrant..he was a transient alien student.

You should read and not post.

Posted by: dancingrabbit | March 6, 2011 11:58 AM | Report abuse

After reading the numerous posts on this blog I can understand why a peregrine Obama was elected. The majority of Washington Posts readers are ignorant on the subject of natural born Citizenship.

Posted by: dancingrabbit | March 6, 2011 12:04 PM | Report abuse

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