For Whom The Hall Of Fame Bell Tolls

"...If we don't get it next year, we don't go in, we're not going in. I mean, what is it, five-time losers? I mean, if we don't make it this time ... And you know what? It won't break my heart. As everyone else says, it's not going to better your career. It'd be nice, but I'm not going to be heartbroken. And we kind of wear it as a badge of honor that we've been turned down."

- Ron Asheton of the Stooges, discussing the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in an August interview with Post Rock

So this is it. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's latest nominees have been announced, and the list once again includes the Stooges, who may or may not be the Susan Luccis of proto-punk. There are nine nominees in all: Jeff Beck, Chic, Wanda Jackson, Little Anthony and the Imperials, Metallica, Run-D.M.C., War, Bobby Womack and Asheton's loud little band with Iggy Pop, et al.

Five of the nominees will be inducted into the Hall in January.

The other four will spend a lovely - if lonely - weekend at the Cleveland Marriott or something. (They'll also continue answering questions about their exclusion, as with this exchange with Wanda Jackson in May.)

I say Wanda definitely deserves to go. As do the Stooges, Metallica, Run-D.M.C. and Jeff Beck. Or maybe Chic. I dunno.

All I know is that Wanda would be first on my ballot.

So who'd top yours? The polls are now open.


By J. Freedom du Lac |  September 22, 2008; 12:36 PM ET Hall of Fame , Rankings
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The Stooges and then Metallica, for the former would not exist without the latter to a large degree. I might swap WAR for Run D.M.C., but both will make it eventually. No other objections. Good list this year.

Posted by: EricS | September 22, 2008 12:59 PM

Completely agree with EricS. The Stooges beget Metallica and both deserve to be in the Hall of Fame.

Of course Metallica is a shoe-in but i hope they include the Stooges. How bad-a** would it be to see the two groups playing together on stage????

Posted by: around | September 22, 2008 1:42 PM

And when Metallica is inducted does that mean that Jason Newsom gets to go to the ceremony as well? Robert Trujillo is a great addition to the band but he's only been on one album. hmmmm...this should be interesting.

Posted by: around | September 22, 2008 1:44 PM

Metallica! It is, after all, a Hall of FAME.

Posted by: Clyde | September 22, 2008 1:45 PM

sorry, Jason Newstead...not Newsom.

Posted by: around | September 22, 2008 1:50 PM

"Jason Newsom"? Try Jason Newsted.

Posted by: Hemisphire | September 22, 2008 1:54 PM

Transient members seem to be judged on a case-by-case basis. Marky Ramone = in; CJ Ramone = not in. Both Ron Blair & Howie Epstein in for the Heartbreakers, etc.

Posted by: RE: Newstead | September 22, 2008 2:18 PM

He certainly has a better shot at getting in with them than Dave Mustaine does!

Posted by: J. Freedom | September 22, 2008 2:27 PM

Please educate me: Does Run D.M.C. have a highly acclaimed body of work? Or will they be voted in because of the crossover Aerosmith song?

Go Stooges!

Posted by: Wok This Way | September 22, 2008 2:32 PM

Unfortunately for the very deserving Little Anthony and the Imperials, no one under 50 or 55 even knows who they are. That is a loss for those not familiar with their music.

Posted by: Bobby H. | September 22, 2008 3:34 PM

Can somebody please explain to me why The Guess Who, John Mayall, Jethro Tull, and Bachman-Turner Overdrive are NOT in the Hall of Fame?

Posted by: topperale | September 22, 2008 4:52 PM

Why even bother? FYI, the nominating and the selectors are all a bunch of Jann Wenner(pardon the pun) stooges. The R&R Hall of Fame lost its legitimacy many years ago.

Posted by: e | September 22, 2008 4:57 PM

Wok This Way, Run DMC IS rap. You can debate whether they should be included in the "Rock and Roll" Hall of Fame, but since we've already ignored that label and are kind of treating all pop as the same, they go in, with Metallica.

Posted by: um | September 22, 2008 5:08 PM

topperale, I'm hoping Jethro Tull is going to be barred from nomination until after Metallica gets inducted.

Ain't retribution rough?

Posted by: OD | September 22, 2008 5:30 PM

Jeff Beck is still active and making incredible music at 60+, a more than 40 year output ... he's still pushing boundaries, challenging himself & audiences with new material, and IMO having seen him in recent years, he is still the best rock guitarist on the planet, in a class by himself.

He just lives his quiet vegetarian, animal-loving life in the country and doesn't care about publicity, flash, etc., preferring to work on his cars... but when he plays, there is still no one who can top him as an instrumentalist who can be both incendiary and achingly beautiful and lyrical in his playing.

the fact that he's not in the RRHOF yet is just another example of what a bloated, bogus joke the HOF has become.

Posted by: fendertweed | September 22, 2008 5:59 PM

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Posted by: Tomcat3 | September 22, 2008 6:48 PM

Where is Rush? This is the R & R HOF!

Posted by: bishop | September 22, 2008 6:49 PM

To fendertweed -- you nailed it. Jeff Beck is bar none the best guitarist alive. And, yes, it speaks volumes that he is now in his mid-60s and has yet to peak, at least in my view. It is likewise telling that the likes of Stevie Wonder, Stanley Clarke, and other luminaries write pieces just to have a platform to collaborate with him.

For my part, suffice it to say that his "Official Bootleg" CD has been in my car CD player for the better part of a year without a break.

Posted by: rgraham | September 22, 2008 6:51 PM

I hate Rush, but even I will admit that they belong in the Hall of Fame. Just so my buddy Nate will stop weeping every time Tom Sawyer comes on the stereo of his Camaro.

Posted by: Klaus | September 22, 2008 6:54 PM

Isn't Jeff Beck already in as a Yardbird?

Posted by: Phill | September 22, 2008 6:56 PM

Is Heart in the Hall? If not, why not? The Wilson sisters had one of the first, if not the first, bands run by women who wrote, played, and hired/fired. We're not talking Suzi Quatro here. And why are there so many one-hit wonders in the Hall (although I love "When a Man Loves a Woman" as much as anyone) when a band like Heart, who has been making music since the 1970's and has had so many hits, is not?

If they are in the Hall already, "Never mind!"

Posted by: westcoast1 | September 22, 2008 7:05 PM

To J. Freedom du Lac (very cool promotional sellout name):
When did Rock and Roll become identified with snobbery and insulting a city (the other four will spend a lovely - if lonely - weekend in Cleveland...)? Whoever you are, you need punched in the face. You wouldn't last five minutes in Cleveland's neighborhoods, you snob punk. Used to be a fan of Wash Post, no longer.

Posted by: Nate | September 22, 2008 7:36 PM

I look at this list with minor interest only because they refuse to acknowledge a whole genre of rock and roll. Where are the progressive rock bands??? Never mind that they have inducted punk rock bands which arose as the antithesis of prog rock. Where's King Crimson, Genesis, Yes, Jethro Tull? As far as I'm concerned, who cares whether they put "rap" acts in when they don't put giants in the industry in.

Posted by: Itsacon | September 22, 2008 7:43 PM

Unfortunately too few people remember or know (or are much to young to have heard) about Wanda Jackson who was a big and as influential an other Rockabilly performers such as Eddie Cochran, Johnny Cash, Carl Perkins, and others. While she is perhaps better known for performing country music, her earlier roots are Rock 'n' Roll (in the same manner of Conway Twitty), and while she achieved great and continuing success throughout Europe, Asia, and Australia, and less fame in the United States, she toured with rock and roll pioneers such as Elvis Presley, Jerry Lee Lewis, and Buddy Holly. While most of the performers of the early Rock 'n' Roll era were male (Presley, Lewis, Holly, Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Ricky Nelson, among others), she was one of the few females performing Rock 'n' Roll and Rockabilly , doing as much for Rock 'n' Roll as Lavern Baker and Ruth Brown (who were more Rhythm & Blues performers than they were Rock 'n' Roll - which Jackson was; Jackson easily opened the door for Brenda Lee (who, with lesser credentials but better sales, is in both the Rock 'n' Roll and Country Music Halls of Fame) and Janis Joplin. Jackson was easily a contemperary of her male counterparts and her music stands the test of time.

As for Little Anthony and the Imperials, they easily are the equal of (and in my opinion, surpass) Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers. Frankie Lymon with the Teenagers lasted only a short period and did not have as great an influence as Little Anthony and the Imperials, which had a much larger and better received body of work. And, the lasting power of the Imperials bears mentioning; as of 2008, the Imperials are (along with The Dells), one of the very few doo-wop era groups still touring with a majority of their original members (three of the four members); most groups of that era (such as The Platters, The Coasters and The Drifters have very few original members, if any). They reinvented themselves and had recording success (though limited) through the 60s and into the 70s. And, attesting to the success of their music, their songs have been covered by a diverse group of performers including Frank Sinatra, Linda Ronstadt, Sergio Mendez, Reba McEntire, The Lettermen, and Daft Punk.

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Posted by: Dungarees | September 22, 2008 8:02 PM

Metallica over the Stooges?! Give me a break! What is next? Brittney Spears?

Posted by: raminy | September 22, 2008 8:14 PM

I think Stone Temple Pilots should go in. Along with Chub-Rock and Heavy D.

Posted by: Slim Pickens | September 22, 2008 8:14 PM

From some previous comments - John Mayall should be in- he (and Alexis Korner and a couple others) were the incubators of British Blues; just look at the players who've passed through his bands. Stone Temple Pilots haven't been around long enough (I think it's a minimum 25 years after first record).

But above all - why is LIttle Feat not in? Without Lowell George Bonnie Raitt (RRHoF member) wouldn't have her signature electric sound. Backed Robert Palmer on his classic Sneaking Sally Through The Alley. They've been bringing New Orleans second line to the masses for years.

And the Wrecking Crew - should be in as sidemen (and woman) for the hundreds of hits they've played on.

Posted by: 66kicks | September 22, 2008 8:23 PM

little anthony, fine. run, fine. wanda, i just don't know her work, so, no opinion (i'm not bragging about my ignorance, just admitting it). but no roxy music, todd rundgren, laura nyro, new york dolls, bryan ferry, brian eno, pere ubu, siouxsie and the banshees, modern lovers? i'm not going to crush the other nominees for this year, but i wouldn't care if none of them went in, and i wish they'd put a few of their past omissions in instead.

but then, the RRHOS lost its credibility when the sex pistols didn't go in on their first ballot. they should've gone in *before* they're first ballot, like wayne gretzky did. their importance cannot be overstated.

Posted by: steven hawkingtonston | September 22, 2008 8:38 PM

Bobby H., I'm 30 and voted for Little Anthony and The Imperials. Metallica and them are the musts from this list for me! Diverse music tastes are what makes the world go 'round. :)

"teears on my pillow...it's sad but true!" :)

Posted by: Crystal | September 22, 2008 9:13 PM

I don't care anymore...Where is RUSH!!! Insane!!!

Posted by: cxv | September 22, 2008 9:22 PM

Well, I think you're going out of your head....How could they not been in the hall already.

Posted by: Jerry Von Korff | September 22, 2008 9:43 PM

During my parents' divorce, my dad tried to get out of paying child support by claiming that Little Anthony was my real father.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 9:44 PM

rgraham, thanks for the kind words ... believe it or not, the Wolf Trap show of the same tour as the "official bootleg" blows that performance off the charts (I was lucky to be there & to find both a boot & a soundboard of the show confirming that I'm not nuts) ...

Wanda Jackson is a definite "yes", too!

cheers,
jc

Posted by: fendertweed | September 22, 2008 10:00 PM

Why not include all of them?

Anyway -- number one should be Jeff Beck, Stooges, Little Anthony, then Bobby Womack (these people ARE THE FATHERS of rock for sh|t's sake), then the rest and RUNDMC should be on the bottom (or not included at all).

Sadly, this is not what will happen mainly because the R&RHOF is a crap organization which only caters to the big commercial labels/radio, etc.

RUNDMC is good, but they simply haven't been around long enough to even be anywhere NEAR the ballot. That they should even be considered alongside artists like Jeff Beck and Little Anthony is pricelessly funny!

Posted by: Frank | September 22, 2008 10:35 PM

Rock & Roll Hall of Lame. What a collection of losers. Clearly the labels run the joint.

Posted by: Tupac Goldstein | September 22, 2008 10:48 PM

I agree with many of the other posters, any purported "Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame" that doesn't include RUSH is a joke.

I understand how some of Neil Peart's early lyrics could be seen as pretentious. I understand that some people didn't like Geddy Lee's voice. But RUSH has made about 20 good-to-great studio albums, they've somehow managed to get better with age, and a substantial number of rock'n'roll fans consider them legends.

Well, Rolling Stone finally wrote a kind of nice article about them earlier this year, so maybe there's hope, someday...

Posted by: Spunky | September 22, 2008 10:58 PM

Chic's sound defined disco (r&B) of the late 70's:from Diana Ross, Madonna to Sister Sledge. It ridiculous this prejudice against Chic. Bernard Edwards should be in just for his bass playing & Nile for production work.
What is an even greater wrong is the Ohio Players aren't in the RockHall. What a joke!!!

Posted by: Charles | September 22, 2008 11:04 PM

Take a look at all the snubs over at http://www.futurerockhall.com

There are loads of them.

Posted by: Albert | September 23, 2008 7:42 AM

Nate, are you trying to insinuate that prostitution is so prolific in Cleveland that not even a R&RHOF reject would be lonely there?

Posted by: aceofspades | September 23, 2008 9:13 AM

I'm personally looking forward to a Jason Newstead/Joanna Newsom collabo.

And the RnR Hall of Fame is total weaksauce. Metallica will get in for sure, but they only inducted Black Sabbath 2 years ago after how many years of eligibility? What? How about The Misfits and Motorhead, two other bands that Metallica wouldn't exist without.

But Rush? C'mon guys, really?

Posted by: mikef | September 23, 2008 9:18 AM

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