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Who Are George Allen's Critics and Where Have They Been?

The crumbling of George Allen's political career is taking place before our eyes and Virginians ought to try to understand why this is happening.

This is a classic snowballing political story. Set off by a gaffe (the macaca incident), the story gathered speed because the candidate stumbled and wandered and lurched from explanation to explanation (macaca referred to on e thing, then another, then the senator had never heard the word before), and then another badly-handled situation came along (the Jewish question.) And through it all, reporters have been hearing from readers, Virginians and people who knew the Allen family in some way over the decades--all with stories that seem to connect to one or another of Allen's apparent flaws. By now, his honesty, his straightforwardness, his basic humanity all seem to be in doubt.

How could this happen to someone who has been in elective politics for more than two decades, to someone who ran for and was elected to the jobs of governor and senator, and was--for a few moments at least--a leading candidate for president of the United States?

Where are these people coming from who now say that they have known for years about Allen's racist attitudes, racist speech, racist actions? Who are these people who suddenly knew for decades about the Allen family's secret--a secret so essential to Allen's mother that she didn't tell it to her son until well into his late middle age?

Since last week, I have talked to half a dozen people who knew Allen's mother decades ago and somehow figured, or thought they knew, that she was Jewish. In that context, how does the senator's protestation of ignorance stand up?

Here's a sample of the kind of notes and calls I've been getting, both from random readers and from Virginians who have been close enough to the Allen family to have seen Etty Allen socially:

From Elaine Schwartzbach:

"Decades ago, when George Allen's father was coach of the Redskins, my husband and I (along with several other couples) were guests in the coach's private box. When Mrs. Allen (the Senator's mother) appeared, several people, upon noticing her Mediterranean coloring, wondered what her ethnic background was. We were informed she had been born in either Morocco or Tunisia, and that she was Jewish. A fair number of the guests were also Jewish, and nothing further was discussed. It was simply a matter of "cocktail party" chit-chat. However, I was so naive in those years, that I assumed the coach was also Jewish, since he had a Jewish wife! How could comparative strangers know a fact that Mrs. Allen's children were not aware of?

Here's what a Virginian who knew the Allens through the Redskins in the early 1970s says:

"Everyone figured Etty was Jewish. There wasn't much discussion about it, but it was just what everyone knew about her, and nobody thought it was a secret. There was no idea that the family was hush-hush about it."

These are either raw political opportunists or people who knew stuff but didn't think it was important enough for them to go out on a limb--until now. How are we to judge the motives and actions of all these people?

On one hand, there are several of them. They are political people (UVa professor Larry Sabato, no shrinking violet, now says that he knows for a fact that George Allen used the N-word when he was a student at the university in Charlottesville) and they are non-politicals, such as the former football teammates who have come forward to accuse Allen of racist language and actions. Also lending them credibility is the fact that several of these people have attached their names to their comments, opening themselves to considerable abuse from defenders of Sen. Allen. (Sabato told the Virginian-Pilot last night that he knows about Allen's use of the racial slur from Allen's classmates: "My sources are former classmates who came to me with stories that matched up," Sabato told the paper. "I never solicited them. They came to me during the past few months.")

On the other side of the ledger, where were all these people over all these years? If they knew this stuff, why didn't they come forward when he entered politics, or when he ran for governor, or when he was on the road to unseating a U.S. Senator? And what about those teammates who say Allen was no such bigot and did no such things? Sure, their comments have been solicited and touted by the Allen campaign, but they too have attached their names.

Each voter will have to assess the players in this burgeoning circus for themselves, but here's where I am so far: I am by nature suspicious of people who suddenly appear with untold stories of bad deeds from long ago. But in the natural cycle of news stories, there is a force that builds behind stories that connect to the pre-existing misgivings citizens have about our elected leaders. The various Clinton infidelity scandals would have died early deaths had they not struck people of most political backgrounds as "oh yeah, that's him" moments; people kept emerging to tell stories, perhaps for politically motivated reasons, but the continuing drumbeat of those stories over the years fit in with what we already knew or thought we knew about Bill Clinton.

Similarly, threads of this new coat that has been wrapped around George Allen have been around for many years. The racist trappings, the anti-Martin Luther King holiday position, the support for Confederate heritage causes, the noose in his office, the rebel flag he put up--it had all been reported over the years. So too had there been some early reports about Allen's Jewish heritage.

All of that fuels the current fire. All of that lends credibility to those who are now speaking out.

Is this a distraction from the serious debate over Iraq that Allen and Jim Webb had been having? Absolutely. Don't voters deserve a real campaign focused on those essential questions? You bet. But picking a senator is about both policy and personality; we decide on people based not only on what they believe in, but on who they are, because we need to know how they are likely to decide on issues that haven't even come along yet.

Where, I want to know, is that unflappable, likable, confident George Allen I had come to enjoy over the years? Why has he permitted these potentially tangential issues to take over his campaign? Here's my bottom line question: If that affable, amiable guy is the real George Allen, then why, in this testing time, have we instead seen a guy who is flitting from story to story, a man who is snappish, smart-alecky, and utterly insensitive? Have we somehow stumbled to the core and found a man with no center?

By Marc Fisher |  September 26, 2006; 7:42 AM ET
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to those of us in blue northern virginia, his racism - whether latent or not- may be a turn off. but there is A LOT of virginia where people still fly their confederate flags proudly. I don't think all these emerging stories will discourage them one bit.

Posted by: blue | September 26, 2006 8:26 AM

In my eyes, the jury was out on whether Allen used the "N word" nor not. Until Larry Sabato weighed in. Sabato is the real deal. If Sabato says he KNOWS something, it's true.

Posted by: Arlington, VA | September 26, 2006 8:28 AM

Re: "Have we somehow stumbled to the core and found a man with no center?"

the answer is yes.

Posted by: jules | September 26, 2006 8:54 AM

This scandal mongering posing as a serious column comes straight from the sewer. Democrats and their mouthpieces at the Post must be getting desperate. Shame.

Posted by: Virginia Voter | September 26, 2006 9:10 AM

But seriously did anyone ever think a guy with a noose and a confederate flag in his law office wouldn't call black people ni**er? To say otherwise is plainly dishonest. Wake up people this is your country and your future you deserve better than George Allen.

Posted by: Honesty | September 26, 2006 9:17 AM

First, I would like to ask the "Virginia Voter" blogger a question. If Allen was a Democrat, would you be post the same "desperation" sentiment? Or would you be criticizing the Post and Democrats for not covering the story enough? While you have a right to your opinion, simply arguing it's a Dem thing is, well, silly. It's not like George Allen hasn't tried to personally smear Jim Webb. The Post covered that as well.

As for all this new revelation about George Allen. I think that is human nature to pounce on someone while they are down. That's a shame. All of his friends probably benefitted in some way (no, not grift) by being able to say they knew him. Now that some unsavory allegations have been made - or more that they are now sticking - these same people want to distance themselves. It is these people who should be ashamed. Not the Post or the Dems. It is these people who are answering requests for interviews. Again, it's not like the Republicans can take such moral high ground that they wouldn't take advantage of a scandal if Allen was a Dem (family value party - yeah right).

Posted by: BlogBunny | September 26, 2006 9:21 AM

the Column stated incorrect facts at this moment in time. There has been one player, and no more that said george allen said the n word. In the article yesterday the post said that 16 other players could not confirm his story. If he used it so frequently as the player suggested then certainly there would be a lot more people saying that he did indeed do that. Larry Sabato wont say how he knows what he knows, so I cant put too much faith in him because he was a person who knew Allen well back then. Not only that but the player who accused him was mostly a democrat for much of his life until last year when it switched to independent. Unless other unbias people with no axe to grind step forward this story should die. So far it is simply a hatchet job. Interesting that the Andrew Young story, (that was true) died in a couple of days. I wonder why?

Posted by: niceday | September 26, 2006 9:36 AM

So I'm curious - am I the only one who's always thought G. Allen was all smile and no substance? Haven't we had enough of the "screw the literates" leadership already? Folksiness is nice, but it's not very good at running the country.

Posted by: Another VA Voter | September 26, 2006 9:37 AM

As someone who has lived in Virginia longer than George Allen (and a lot younger than he) I am also extremely offended by his implication that Northern Virginia is not the "real" Virginia. I have lived in a small Southern Virginia town, I have lived in Richmond and I have lived here in Northern Virginia. Each place has it's own personality, but we are ALL Virginians. I am sick and tired of politicians tying to divide us and play on those differences rather than talk to us all on the level and as equal partners in running a beautiful state.

George Allen is one of the worst about this. He plays to the stereotypes of both sides, and therefore assumes the worst of us all. Enough!

Posted by: REAL virginian | September 26, 2006 9:43 AM

blue, Isn't it the state of Maryland that has a resident flying multiple Confederate flags alongside 95 North? Don't act so high and mighty just because you moved to Arlington last year. These sorts of problems aren't unique to southern Virginia.

And, of course, George Allen is a Californian.

Posted by: OD | September 26, 2006 9:46 AM

For Virginia Voter:

How you respond to the Allen brouhaha is, of course, up to you, but, if I were you, I wouldn't dismiss it as a political ploy.

There was nothing that prompted Allen to use a racial slur to refer to Webb's campaign volunteer other than Allen himself. You seem to feel that too much attention has been given to it, but if Allen hadn't been so clueless about it, he could have put it to rest immediately. Also, it's not just the supposedly liberal Post. Check out the Weekly Standard. I haven't heard a lot of conservative support for him--and not just lately either. Even right after the macaca incident, conservative commentators were shaking their heads about this.

My own view is that he is still lying about it. He continues to refer to macaca as a word he made up, but, really, how often do grown-up people (as opposed to little kids who are still learning language) make up words entirely new words and use them to refer to people they've never met? I'm over 50 and have been around the world a bit, but I've never heard of such an incident. President Bush is famous for making up nicknames, but he's not making up new words.

And how plausible is it that the word he just happened to make up is used as a racial slur in the part of the world where his mother grew up? If you believe that, I have a bridge . . .

Posted by: THS | September 26, 2006 9:49 AM

"So far it is simply a hatchet job. Interesting that the Andrew Young story, (that was true) died in a couple of days. I wonder why?"


The fact that Andrew Young wasn't running for a national office representing all kinds of peple may have something to do with the short shelf-life of that story.

Posted by: THS | September 26, 2006 9:49 AM

To "niceday" -- the Salon reporter spoke with two other football players who confirmed the story. In addition to Shelton and the two un-named players, there's Christopher Taylor, the U of Alabama professor. And now there's Larry Sabato -- seemingly a rightward-leaning individual with a strong reputation in the state, who was also a classmate.

Allen's a guy who was from California, but embraced the ugliest parts of the past once coming to Virginia. He not only kept the Confederate flag in his office, but a NOOSE! In 1996 he sought out and met with Gordon Lee Baum of the White Citizens Council and now the Council of Conservative Citizens, "CCC." Did you know he named his only son Forrest (think Nathan Bedford Forrest, first Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan)?

Posted by: A new day | September 26, 2006 9:55 AM

This story needs to be fleshed out. Larry Sabato needs to pony up and offer more info if he's going to weigh in on this matter.

But is anyone really surprised? This was the 70s. The 'n' word was a fact of life on a lot of college campuses. And Allen, not a Southerner, got himself some sort of Confederacy fetish. He doesn't even have the 'it's my culture' excuse. It stands to reason that would include denigrating blacks. Especially given the times.

Posted by: Hillman | September 26, 2006 9:56 AM

"snappish, smart-alecky, and utterly insensitive" is a good start. When anyone who has been paying attention saw the Macaca video the only response could be "That's our George". It was vintage Allen. It is of a piece with his "smash their soft teeth down their whiny throats" threat to the Dems in the Ledge. Smirking, smarmy, swaggering and nasty are other ways to describe Allen.

Your comment that you "enjoy" Allen speaks volumes. I'm just not sure if it says that you have paid absolutely no attention to Virginia beyond the beltway for the last decade, or that you are the kind of jerk who would think stuffing a severed deer head in someone's mailbox was cool.

Posted by: Cliff | September 26, 2006 9:57 AM

In his previous gubernatorial and senatorial campaigns, none of this was mentioned. As if his opponents, one of whom was an incumbent senator and former governor, could not have found out about it. The MSM must be hard pressed to maintain its circulation.

Posted by: Steve | September 26, 2006 9:57 AM

Don't tell me that n**ger was in common usage among anyone but hardened racists in the '70's. It was the most vile of terms then just as it is now.

Posted by: Va | September 26, 2006 9:58 AM

Don't tell me the word nig**r was in common usage. It was only used by hardened racists and was as vile a term in the '70's as it is today.

Posted by: VA | September 26, 2006 10:00 AM

I sincerely hope Allen goes down.

But Marc, must we pull out your trite "no core" crapola again? The last time the media vultures piled on and you used that justification was Al Gore.

Now, given hindsight, wouldn't you agree you aimed that canard in the wrong direction? Seriously, get over yourself and your "insight".

In this case, everyone is politics knew this about Allen, they just didn't talk about it. If you reporters had the balls to write about it "in the day", it would have been dealt with a long time ago. Instead, it takes another feeding frenzy long after the fact.

Posted by: Not again | September 26, 2006 10:03 AM

And all this has exactly what to do with his record as a congressman, govenor and senator?

Posted by: Stick | September 26, 2006 10:10 AM

Only in red state Virginia would people elect a guy who HAD A NOOSE IN HIS LAW OFFICE, AS A JUSTICE OF THE COURT!! His job, as a lawyer, is to defend justice. By displaying the noose in his law office as a lawyer/justice of the court, he has ethically violated legal rules and basic decency. I just moved to VA from IL last year, and I can't comprehend how this guy got elected Governor and Senator. Only in the South. Only in Virginia. Of all the horrible, racist things that have come out about him, the noose in his law office is what gets me. And I cannot believe no one thinks that's bad. Only in Virginia.

Posted by: Maribel, Esq. | September 26, 2006 10:12 AM

"This scandal mongering posing as a serious column comes straight from the sewer. Democrats and their mouthpieces at the Post must be getting desperate. Shame."

The Swiftboats that run up the river can also run down the river.

George Allen is the guy who was going to "knock their soft teeth down their whiney throats." Now the bully is getting kicked when he is down, but it's rather hard to have any sympathy for him.

Posted by: BuddyK | September 26, 2006 10:15 AM

Stick - It's part of his record. Which part do you think most commends him as our representative, racism, lying or ignorance?

Posted by: cliff | September 26, 2006 10:18 AM

"And all this has exactly what to do with his record as a congressman, govenor and senator?"

Ha, this type of statement always reeks of desperation. Move along, nothing to see here! Unfortunately for Grand Wizard Allen, there is plenty to see, and more and more people are stopping for a look.

Posted by: otto | September 26, 2006 10:20 AM

Yes, the 'n' word was common in the 70s. If you don't think so you are being naive. It's still a lot more common than you may think.

The man fetishized the Confederate flag and met with the CCC, a white power group. That should tell you something.

As for what this has to do with his record, it goes to his character. Is he a decent person that accepts everyone, or is he a bullying thug? He pretty much lied about the macaca incident. He lied about not knowing he was Jewish. And there's at least a reasonable chance that he's lying now.

Posted by: Hillman | September 26, 2006 10:21 AM

The coach said it. "Winning is everything."

Posted by: Gary Masters | September 26, 2006 10:21 AM

"Yes, the 'n' word was common in the 70s. If you don't think so you are being naive. It's still a lot more common than you may think."

Well then, I guess that makes it all OK! Go Allen!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 26, 2006 10:21 AM

Marc, here's why Allen never had to face these charges before:

1. When he ran for office before becoming governor, it was at a very local level: low stakes, long ago, no one much cared.

2. Governor's race was a walk, because Mary Sue Terry ran the weakest campaign in the Commonwealth's recent statewide electoral history. Allen never had to break a sweat, much less face serious charges.

3. First senatorial campaign, same thing: Chuck Robb's heart just wasn't in the race, and Allen didn't have to be tested much in order to win; the Dems were in disarray and preoccupied with the presidential race.

4. Most important reason of all: Virginia, and the GOP, have changed. In retrospect, Trent Lott's fall was a watershed moment; it was when the GOP decisively pivoted away from the open flirting with racism that it had not only condoned but tacitly encouraged as part of its electoral strategy since the Civil Rights Era. No more. What was sotto voce, and merely unsavory, in the 1990s is anathema now. Virginia and the GOP have grown up, as has the nation.

George Allen hasn't, though--hasn't even figured out until it's too late that he's missed the bus. Which is why he's standing in the dust right now.

Posted by: J.J. in Arlington | September 26, 2006 10:24 AM

1. How many times did Richard Pryor use the "n word" in the 70's????? Can't tell me that it wasn't uncommon, although wrong.

2. The Confederate flag- seems much of you don't know and weren't taught that the Civil War wasn't just about slavery.

3. Larry Sabato is quoted as saying he "believes" Allen used the "N word", but provides no detail.

Posted by: Lifelong Virginian | September 26, 2006 10:29 AM

Lifelong Virginian writes:

"The Confederate flag- seems much of you don't know and weren't taught that the Civil War wasn't just about slavery."

Alas, dear fellow Virginian, it seems many more don't know and weren't taught that the Confederate flag isn't just about the Civil War: in the 1950s and 1960s it was resurrected throughout the South as the preeminent emblem of white supremacy, pro-segregationism, and opposition to civil rights for African Americans.

Why do so many conservatives persist in historical amnesia--not to say revisionism--on this matter?

When most African Americans see the Confederate flag, they see not just the 1860s, but the 1960s as well.

And that, too, is why George Allen is in so much trouble today.

Posted by: J.J. in Arlington | September 26, 2006 10:34 AM

a new day's reference to the CCC really needs to be spelled out. CCC stands for Council of Conservative Citizens. It's an heir to the White Citizens' Council, a white supremacy group formed to resist desegregation in the South in the 1950s. The CCC's Statement of Principles is at http://www.cofcc.org/manifest.htm

George Allen had his picture taken w/ three of the leaders of this group in 1996, when he was governor of Virginia. Politicians have their pictures taken w/ people all the time, but they generally try to be a little careful about who else is in the picture. The photo is at http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060911/george_allen. It was originally published in the CCC newsletter.

Posted by: THS | September 26, 2006 10:35 AM

True, the Civil War wasn't just about slavery. But those who insist on displaying Confederate flags today and fetishizing 'Confederate culture' tend to be racists. I suppose theoretically not all are, but I can say from my own experience growing up in the South that everyone I knew with a Confederacy fetish was racist as well.

Posted by: Hillman | September 26, 2006 10:37 AM

"1. How many times did Richard Pryor use the "n word" in the 70's????? Can't tell me that it wasn't uncommon, although wrong."

Umm, Richard Pryor (RIP) was black, Allen is as white as they come, big difference.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 26, 2006 10:38 AM

Annandale: it's PC to care about our elected officials using the N-word? Politicians should be accountable to voters, irrespective of party.

Posted by: Umm | September 26, 2006 10:40 AM

"2. The Confederate flag- seems much of you don't know and weren't taught that the Civil War wasn't just about slavery."

What exactly do you think the Confederate flag symbolized to a teenager in suburban Los Angeles in the 1970s? Excessive tariffs?

Posted by: Arlington | September 26, 2006 10:40 AM

THS - Try this link to the picture. It needs an underline between george and allen.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060911/george_allen

or there's more here:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/17/141447/715

Some of the rest of us are native Virginians and don't take off thems like "(get a Life)long Virginian".

Cliff

Posted by: Anonymous | September 26, 2006 10:42 AM

Fisher hates VA, he hates Republicans, he hates the suburbs of VA and he hates Allen. I would hate anyone to go after everything I ever said in my 50 years of life to hold it against me when I am 50 and running for public office. Fisher deserves the ill-run, unkempt, inefficient democratic-run administration of DC, albeit a democratic one. Meanwhile Fisher STILL SENDS HIS KIDS TO PRIVATE SCHOOL in DC! You PC democrats make me ill. You cannot run an inner city all through this country--yet as long as it is democratic then it suits you. Meanwhile, poor inner city kids get the worst of the worst education. I"m glad I'm not such a hypocrite.

Posted by: Annandale | September 26, 2006 10:42 AM

Lifelong Virginian, are you seriously claiming that because Richard Pryor used that word in a stand-up act in the 1970s (in part making fun of racists), it was ok for a rich white kid with a confederacy fetish to use it?

It infuriates me that people who defend the confederate flag claim that it's ok for them to do so because the Civil War was about more than slavery. I. Don't. Give. A. Damn. Its meaning has been corrupted and perverted by the KKK and others of that ilk to the point that it means racism today. I'm sorry if that doesn't sit well with confederate flag fans, but it is what it is. The swastika used to mean "good fortune," but the Nazis corrupted it to the point that we can't use it for that purpose anymore. The confederate flag is no different.

Posted by: New to Va, but not the south | September 26, 2006 10:46 AM

"1. How many times did Richard Pryor use the "n word" in the 70's????? Can't tell me that it wasn't uncommon, although wrong."

For a long time after it became unacceptable for whites to use this word, blacks would use it among themselves, and I'm sure some still do.

Richard Pryor, however, foreswore use of the n word after a trip to Africa in 1979. This has been reported many times. Here's one place that it appears. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Pryor
Search "pryor, n*****,africa" to find others.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 26, 2006 10:46 AM

Annandale,

A bit scary. What the hell are you talking about?

Fisher is a blogger, it is opinion. Fox news would probably suit you better.

Posted by: Whoa | September 26, 2006 10:47 AM

Maribel, Esq., having just moved here from Illinois, perhaps you can enlighten us about how Illinois has spent generations --since at least the end of the Civil War -- creating white-only "sundown" towns that excluded blacks, mostly by driving them out through intimidation and force (including lynchings).

Only in the South, my a**. It's the country's problem. The sooner you realize that, the sooner we can all go about solving our racial issues.

Posted by: OD | September 26, 2006 10:48 AM

I was a teenager in California during most of the 70s, never used the "n" word and seldom heard others use it. The only time I heard it used frequently, was during a two year tour with my military dad in Louisiana. It's a pretty ugly word. As far as what all this has to do with the issues, I can only say that issues change over time, but a man's character seldom does.

Posted by: Melt | September 26, 2006 10:50 AM

To Whoa:

I read a well-rounded group of writers--liberal and conservative to give me a well-rounded view on aspects of life. When I see hypocrisy, I am going to call people on it. VA is run well--DC is run like "you-know-what." DC has gone from run with corruption to simply run inefficiently. Meanwhile, Fisher loves to attack VA and attacks this man because of supposed comments eons ago. Frankly, Virginians are pretty happy with their government and with how the state is run. DC citizens are the ones with problems. Fisher should concentrate on the problems in his hometown.

Posted by: Annandale | September 26, 2006 10:52 AM

Unlike most, I actually called Allen's office after the macaca incident (and before his belated apology) and told the Senator that if he wanted to represent people who look like him, he should move to Norway or Sweeden. He is an embarrassment to our state. If he isn't a racist than where are all the African Americans in the the state who are coming out to support him? And why isn't Senator Warner speaking out on his behalf? These people should have come forward earlier although I do admire their courage.

Posted by: novamom | September 26, 2006 10:56 AM

Geez, Annandale, glad you got that off your chest.

And to second what "" said, and I can't even believe this has to be pointed out: black folks using the n-word and white folks using the n-word are two whoooooooooole different issues. Richard Pryor, Snoop Dogg, Ludacris? Not exactly the same as old-white-guy Allen.

Posted by: h3 | September 26, 2006 10:56 AM

Annandale,

You really think that most Virginian's think their Government is run well? Why did we elect Kaine instead of Kilgore? Because we are sick of braindead hicks that talk like Gomer Pile.

DC with Fenty at the helm is going to see a revival. VA with Allen at the helm is going to see itself become the butt of every Letterman and Leno mono from here to eternity.

Posted by: Whoa | September 26, 2006 10:58 AM

Annandale, I'm sure Marc can defend himself, and maybe he will, but I'll just step and say you are way off base. I read Marc's columns, his blog, and his web chat, and I've never seen any evidence that he is critical of Virginia or its government in general. I'm sure he's been critical of particular people or practices, but that is not quite the same thing.

Perhaps more important, he is quite forthright about criticizing the DC government when warranted. Marc may send his kids to a private school, but he pays taxes in the District.

Posted by: Jen | September 26, 2006 10:59 AM

I don't know where all these critics of Allen have been, but it looks like they're going for his jugular.

Ladies and gentlemen, we are seeing the creation of a modern-day Senator Sunraider, who in six weeks will likely suffer a legal, more peaceful fate than the original, literary version.

Posted by: dirrtysw | September 26, 2006 11:06 AM

It is really no one's business where a man sends his children to school. And it is inappropriate to mention his kids.

Posted by: Whoa | September 26, 2006 11:07 AM

I believe that your column is missing a major factor. In all of George F. Allen's previous campaigns, the interet was barely of importance.

Now, information moves like wildfire. Without the internet, how many people would actually have seen George F. Allen called a man "Macaca" and welcomed this native Virginian to America? Without the internet, how many people would have heard about a Salon story? Would there have been a Salon story?

One of the main reasons for the gathering storm and for people coming out of the woodworks, in my opinion, is that people know about this and can communicate in ways that were not part of the society just six years ago.

You are hearing from people who never said anything because, as per some of the letters you cite, they never realized it was an issue. And, if they did, they might not have had an easy path for communicating it like the internet provides.

Now, I have been a citizen of the Commonwealth for over 20 years. I am Jewish. I care about civil rights. I had no clue just how horrible George F. Allen was until after the Macaca moment.

* Macaca ...
* Meeting with the CCC & taking a photo with its leadership -- a serious White Supremacist organization
* Noose in his office along with his confederate flag
* His rudeness re his Jewish heritage ("ate a ham sandwich for lunch" ...)
* His strong racism
* Putting a deer's head in a black person's mailbox

Without the internet (and this gathering storm), I would never have heard about it.

George F. Allen is being sunk by the reality of who he is ... and we are finding about this due to the power of the internet and the web, generally despite reporting in the Post rather than because of it.

Posted by: SIEGEAD | September 26, 2006 11:09 AM

"I have talked to half a dozen people who knew Allen's mother decades ago and somehow figured, or thought they knew, that she was Jewish." Marc, I suspect these people are either Jewish or have been acquainted with Jews for decades. My theory is that in a minority that has its own culture, the members grow up with a distinct body language and a pattern of speech that goes beyond dialect or accent. People who grew up in or around those minorities would be familiar with those signs.

Here's an example - in Art Spiegelman's Holocaust novel "Maus," the author's father is on the run and spots a segregated passenger train, one car for Germans and one for Poles. Being a Polish Jew, the father sits in the German car, correctly assuming that he would be safer there. He said that the Poles would have likely spotted him immediately as a Polish Jew.

Is "Etty" is a common nickname for females in Jewish families? It sounds a little like the nicknames that Ann Landers and Dear Abby had in real life, "Eppie" and "Popo." But "Lumbroso" sounds like an Italian name to me, so I wouldn't have guessed that Allen's mother's family was Jewish.

Posted by: Tonio | September 26, 2006 11:13 AM

Thanks to Jen and Whoa for the valiant defense. I like Annandale's passion, but I have to admit I'm mystified by the connection he makes between my criticism of Sen. Allen and my decision about where to send my kids to school. If I'm fool enough to pay twice for schooling--my D.C. taxes and my tuition--that may be evidence that I'm a wastrel, or a snob, or that I don't think the District schools would serve my children well. But what does it have to do with the quality of Virginia's elected officials (which I happen to think ranges from superb to appalling, pretty much like anywhere else)?

Posted by: Fisher | September 26, 2006 11:16 AM

"The Confederate flag- seems much of you don't know and weren't taught that the Civil War wasn't just about slavery."

This statement always turns me off, and makes my blood boil a bit. It is pure ignorance. The confederate battle flag that is flown today by racists is the problem, not the flags flown in the civil war.

The state of florida's flag is of confederate origin. Nobody gets upset about it, because the klan doesnt march with it, neo-nazis do not march with it. It is not a symbol of intolerance and violence. The battle flag is just that and we all know it. That symbol can never be rescued. It was used by politicians, the klan, and street thugs to terrorize and strike fear in the heart of black citizens throughout the 20th (not the 19th) century.

When you pick up and fly the confederate flag today you know what it symbolizes. It symbolizes the intolerance and lynchings and murders of the 20th century not the civil war.

There are other ways to remember and celebrate southern history then to wave the battle flag. Most real southerns know this, most racists dont care.

Posted by: Arlington, by way of Florida | September 26, 2006 11:20 AM

What this incident shows is that George Allen is a fake -- he (and virtually everybody else, in some context) has used the "n" word. Most people in the South, even those who completely support equality of opportunity, have even used the word intentionally and in a manner meant to stigmatize Black people. But most regret it, and know they should not have done it. But for a "cowboy" like Allen, with the Confederate flag and all of that, to protest that he would never use the word, is silly -- and a lie, obviously.

There is someone real around -- Mr. Webb. It's interesting, though, that the majority of voters aren't impressed by real. So they will get the fake -- and realize when it's too late that they have cheated themselves once again

Posted by: Fake vs. Real | September 26, 2006 11:21 AM

Arlington is exactly right. Whatever the flag stood for in 1865, by 1965 it was a symbol of hate and murder in the name of segregation's evils. (Technically speaking, the flag has stood for hate since Thurmond's Dixiecrat campaign in 1948.) I know many people who, like Allen, insist that they use the flag as a benign symbol of regional pride. Some may be closet racists, but others may have been brainwashed by "The Dukes of Hazzard." I'm a big fan of Southern musical culture, and I think the region deserves a better symbol, once that isn't drenched in the blood of the civil rights martyrs.

Posted by: Tonio | September 26, 2006 11:24 AM

a white politician with a noose in his office, proud flyer of the confederate flag, supposedly forgetting or not knowing or both that his mother is jewish who called Black people n&*&%$ say it ain't so george, say it aint so! I can't believe people would accuse you of these things
al-fallujah
http://www.propagandapress.org

Posted by: al-fallujah | September 26, 2006 11:25 AM

"I don't know where all these critics of Allen have been..."

Dear dirtysw, We've been around for a long time, and pretty vocal. It's taken a high profile gaff to get anyone to pay attention. Marc's brain dead characterization of Allen as "likeable" is a perfect illustration of the problem. Too much time schmoozing and sucking up for access and not enough time thinking means the truth has a hard time getting into print. It's not just Fisher, but he's a good example - think Woodward. Allen's just the tip of the media debacle. Try Dan Froomkin also in the Post. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/linkset/2005/04/11/LI2005041100879.html


Posted by: Cliff | September 26, 2006 11:28 AM

Virginia Voter,

Your comment is a joke. Do you and your right-wing neo-cons have a trademark or copyright protection for smearing candidates during campaigns? It's fair play boy. Take it and SHUT THE HECK UP...little girl

Posted by: George | September 26, 2006 11:28 AM

Note that Webb maintains on his website a 1990 speech at the Confederate Memorial wherein Webb praised the Confederate Army for its "courage and loyalty" and its defense of Confederate sovereignty. Allen is not the only one with a checkered past on racial hot buttons

Posted by: Tom T. | September 26, 2006 11:32 AM

"But "Lumbroso" sounds like an Italian name to me, so I wouldn't have guessed that Allen's mother's family was Jewish."

Briefly, the names that most of us in the United States think of as Jewish names are the names of the Ashkenazi Jews who came to the United States from Russia, Germany, Poland, and other parts of Eastern Europe.

George Allen's mother is a Sephardic Jew from Tunisia. According to Wikipedia, the Sephardi were linked primarily to Spain and Portugal, but the term is used more broadly to refer to the Jews of North Africa and the Middle East.

The terms refer, apparently, to differences in religious rites that are linked to geography. And, not being a member of the tribe, that's all I know!

Wikipedia has lots of info though. Also, last week, Wolf Blitzer was teaching Sen Allen about his background by referring him to http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com, which is a web site that contains the info previously published in a 12-volume set.

Posted by: THS | September 26, 2006 11:35 AM

J.J. in Arlington and SIEGEAD have accurately explained why Allen's racial insensitivity and general social cluelessness is now a greater issue than it was during previous campaigns.

I would add that this is Allen's first campaign in the Karl Rove era, where nothing is off-limits, and any possible smear on a candidate is ruthlessly pursued no matter how legitimate or relevant. It's poetic justice that the professional Republican attack machine's techniques are now coming back to bite one of their own good ol' boys.

The only difference here is that Allen's honesty and deep-seated attitudes towards minorities are incredibly relevant, and deserve to be explored in depth.

Posted by: P.W. in Alexandria | September 26, 2006 11:36 AM

I think, George Allen is a racist. Do you think, he would admit to using the N word? I don't think so! Many whites in America are racist against blacks and black Latinos. The man is a politician in the U.S. Congress, therefore he has to deny saying something hateful, but he was caught on tape calling the Indian young man a monkey. I have known Jewish people to be racist against blacks too, because they are still white people. Being Jewish is a religion, not a race. My relatives living in the Norfolk and Richmond areas of Virginia will not be voting for this RACIST!!!!

Posted by: D.C. Black Resident | September 26, 2006 11:36 AM

A very powerful man, with a mean streak barely concealed by a smirk; gee why wouldn't anyone come forward with stories of him using 'n -- - -' in conversation, unless in this present context, where the snowball has already begun to roll?
If anyone had, they would have been immediately shouted down by Allen's PR machine, at least.
Like a previous poster, I blame his political ascendency to Mary Sue Terry's weak showing as a gubernatorial candidate; Doug Wilder (or any other candidate with a spine) would have eaten him alive.

Posted by: steve | September 26, 2006 11:38 AM

Who lives that long and whose his mother is still alive and does not know his heritage until now? I found it hard to believe!

Posted by: Cubob | September 26, 2006 11:42 AM

Two things:
1. macaca - made up or not, the tone in which it was delivered says it all. Allen was in an obvious state of I-can't-lose overconfidence and reverted to his true colors in front of what he saw as a friendly audience.

2. Those of you who think that the media is biased simply don't agree with what is being said/written. Do us all a favor and read the Washington Times exclusively. That way you'll always feel better ,and we won't have to put up with your whining.

Posted by: Tough Darts | September 26, 2006 11:43 AM

Every year, Washingtonian Magazine asks Capitol Hill staffers to vote for senators and representatives in a variety of categories---some flattering and some not.

One such category: No Rocket Scientist

George Allen has won in this category at least twice, including this year. See the September issue.

Posted by: Julie | September 26, 2006 11:46 AM

THS, thanks for the background. I've heard the terms "Sephardic" and "Ashkenazi" before, but had no idea what they meant. I'm not a member of the tribe either - my youth was spent in small Midwestern towns and rural Maryland communities, and I never even met Jews until I got to college.

Posted by: Tonio | September 26, 2006 11:46 AM

I can tell you exactly why these people are speaking up now and were not before. It has nothing to do with trying to tear him down, and everything to do with not letting him deny basic facts about his character. Previously, Allen wasn't defending himself on such a high profile level, now he is, and people who know it is bunk are not letting him get away with it.

If you meet someone at a party, and you happen to know the host is a bigot, you don't have any reason to mention this to your new friend. If, however, the host makes a big display of denying his actual bigotry, you are much more likely to say something.

Many times people will take issue more with the covering up of facts than the facts themselves.

Posted by: CT | September 26, 2006 11:47 AM

Defending any politician reeks of simple partisanship. As an example, look at Allens defenders who also played football with him. They are all dyed in the wool conservatives, who have benefitted from their political relationship with Allen.

Whether a man is called out on his actions today or ten years from now, they are still his actions and comprise part of his being.

I am often dumbfounded by conservatives who tout personal responsibility, then refuse to accept it, themselves and cast blame to the winds. Before you accuse me of partisanship, it should be known that NWO Republicans drove me to the Libertarian party in the late 80's

A lifetime of racist remarks and deeds has come back to haunt Senator Macaca. So much for that Presidential bid.

History wil remember Sen Allen, not for his good work, but for his racism, good ol' boy attitudes and most specifically MACACA.

Posted by: MACACA means what? | September 26, 2006 11:47 AM

Here is what I don't understand.

You got George Allen - confederate-loving, noose-brandishing, macaca-hurling pretend cowboy.

You got Jim Webb. Literate, smart, moderate, combat-tested, Sec of Navy (under REAGAN), tough talking, son is in Iraq.

What was my choice again?

Posted by: anon | September 26, 2006 11:54 AM

For Everyones informatiom the Washington Post tends to lean toward to the Republian progangda machine. It print what the President want you to hear. So the attack about George Allen are coming from his own party. so they must want him out for some reason. He has do something to make the a target.

Posted by: Reddaddy | September 26, 2006 11:55 AM

If the democrats were ever denied the race card they would never win another election.

Instead of Substance you use the race card to destroy Senator Allen, well, the race card will fail. I for one am sick and tired of the democratic party playing to the lowest common level.

Posted by: Bill Bordeaux | September 26, 2006 11:56 AM

It's poetic justice to see a sitting United States Senator smeared as a racist, just because you don't like Karl Rove? Give me a break!! How's that Rove indictment coming?

Ken Shelton has already been caught in a lie about his own college nickname. Why should we believe anything else he says about George Allen? Why is the Post giving ink to such scurrilous charges leveled in a thinly-sourced article from a sleazy Website?

And now we are supposed to believe Larry Sabato, who was a policital student-government geek at UVA. Have any of you ever been to a Division I college? Do you really think guys like Sabato hang out with the football quarterback whose dad is an NFL bigshot?? Come on.

And when we will we see similar in-depth reporting on former KKK Grand Wizard Robert Byrd, who DID use the n-word, on national television?? He is up for reelection this year, why aren't we seeing any articles plumbing the depths of his racism 30 years ago? How about the liberal bloggers who ran the Photoshops of Joe Lieberman and Michael Steele in blackface?

The hypocrisy of the Democratic Party and its supporters is breathtaking. This is all about them trying desperately to keep black voters on the plantation.

And by the way, I grew up Jewish in a small Southern town. Jews and blacks were friends then, because everyone else hated us. Jewish shopkeepers were the only ones who would let blacks in the store. The n-word was never spoken in my house. Nor would it have been in George Allen's. The more you tag him with being a closet Jew, the less likely it is that he was a racist. You cannot have it both ways.

Posted by: sick of liberal hypocrites | September 26, 2006 11:56 AM

What disturbed me was the account by his boyhood friend of when George took them to a black neighborhood and stuffed a freshly killed deer's head in a mailbox. It's gruesome.

Posted by: John Denton | September 26, 2006 12:00 PM

There is a whole lot of hate mongering going on here. Take the plank out of your own eye.

Posted by: Phillip | September 26, 2006 12:00 PM

Cliff, my question was (mostly) rhetorical about where all Allen's critics had been. But I do see your point that these folks have been there all the time but either ignored by mass media or afraid to speak out. Why now? Strength in numbers, maybe; perhaps somebody's trying to connect the dots all of a sudden.

If all these allegations are true, may the voters of the commonwealth of Virginia do their civic duty on Election Day and give George Allen another boot -- out of office.

Posted by: dirrtysw | September 26, 2006 12:02 PM

You know, I was stationed on the E-Ring in the early 80's, and saw several letters (apparently) from the challenger. I had no idea of who he was before then, yet 25 years later, I remembered his name, because of these letters - they bordered on the bizarre, and I actually filed at least one of them in my office's "crackpot" file, since his comments, while vague, seemed to be somewhat threatening. To judge by his missives, Webb was, in my opinion, a self-important, self-aggrandizing man with delusions of grandeur, and, I, at least, suspected he was mentally ill.

If you're going to spend this much time and energy attempting to write the Senator's political epitath, it's only fair you spend some time doing a little checking on the man who would take his place.

Posted by: Equal time ... | September 26, 2006 12:02 PM

Note that Marc didn't mention anything about not criticising Va. He does Jen, I read his blogs and don't always disagree with him. But I'll try and spell out the connections I make:

I have lived here in VA and read the Post for 40 years so I have a well-read viewpoint. I read about ill-run gov't in DC, which needs a lot of criticism. In VA I see well-run Govt, schools, etc., that always can do better but are light-years better than DC. I have read Marc's criticisms about VA and I think he can do better by looking within at his hometown than by attacking a VA politician for comments made 30 some years ago. If the comments were made they are awful. However, who among us wants to be called to the floor by things said so long ago when we are young and immature. The point about DC public schools and private schools is made to show people that DC has a real problem in education and that those that have the ability to showcase problems, namely a columnist, should hammer away at that problem rather than circumventing it by sending their own kids to private school. Sorry, Marc, but If I were a columnist I would hammer away each day at DC until they raise their public school levels above Guam or Puerto Rico in DC rather than focus on comments made by a VA politician back when he was still struggling with acne.

Posted by: Annandale | September 26, 2006 12:04 PM

The elephant in the room that is being so politely overlooked is that Allen knows his audience. A smirky wink and a nod are easily understood. The sad fact is that this gets you elected in the Great Commonweath of Virginia. Blame the politician for exploiting the most negative characteristics of the population but let's not pretend Virginia is shocked to learn that their man may be a racist.

Posted by: Reality Check | September 26, 2006 12:06 PM

When someone assumes a personna as someone he is not, whether it's a cowboy or a Jeffersonian gentleman, the hollowness of the true self will become evident eventually. I really think that the internet has brought George Allen out of the closet, so to speak. I had heard the rumors about the Confederate flag and the noose (horrifying) but I just did not pay attention. It's true that the political game rules have changed, but Allen should know, as the son of a coach, that if you make the rules, you have to play by the rules. In this era, the Rove-machine (including Allen's own campaign manager, a Rove protoge) has set this monster loose. Allen can only hope that it will die of old age.

Posted by: Virginian ex-California girl | September 26, 2006 12:08 PM

To sick of Liberal Hypocrites.

It is apparent to me that hypocrissy is not the unique realm of any one party.
Suggest you should be just as sick of the Conservative hypocrites and the moderate and independent hypocrites.

If not, you have become what you derided, a hypocrite, with a myopic parisan slant.

Posted by: Moody | September 26, 2006 12:08 PM

Let's put to rest the ignorant notion that the civil war was not about slavery. We have for years allowed our southern friends the courtesy of describing the war in terms of "States Rights." But don't think we can't read our history books or that we have forgetten the past. The ONLY state right that was at issue was the right to own and sell human beings.

Posted by: Falls Church | September 26, 2006 12:15 PM

In all-knowing pompous 'I'm in, you're out' fashion, George Allen put down and held up for ridicule in public a fellow citizen for appearing different, foreign, not of 'us', illegal, alien... lessor. This came easy to Allen because it is of his nature and is what his campaign had been doing for some time, behind the scenes, offline, out of view... ridiculing a Webb campaign volunteer who was tracking the Allen campaign. Allen's actions illustrate his immaturity and intolerance. Allen is not suitability for public office in any democracy.

Posted by: Town Green | September 26, 2006 12:16 PM

Allen is one of that dread species, the Faux Southerner. Those who are not from the south, have no idea what being southern really means, but have their own hate-filled attitudes and think they've found kindred spirits with the south. The Confederate flag waving neo Nazis and skinheads in Illinois or Montana, etc. My husband and I were shocked once, visiting the parents of a classmate of my daughter, when they conspiratorially mentioned to us that they thought slavery should be brought back. They were from Ohio and no doubt felt we, being native Virginians, would of course feel the same way. We were disgusted. Sure we have problems in the south, but some of the most nasty racists are NOT from the south. How long was the media going on about Allen's racism as some metaphor for southern attitudes, before they finally mentioned that he is from California? We've always considered Allen an amiable dunce with a mean streak, and an insult to the state of Virginia. Putting dead animal skins in our beautiful governor's mansion, and that cowboy schtick- what's with that, what does Virginia have to do with cowboys? Allen probably watched one too many episodes of Hopalong Cassidy when he was a kid. I grew up and left the Cowboy Fifties long ago. Maybe he should try it.

Posted by: shengirl | September 26, 2006 12:18 PM

Why it's a Mark Furman moment.

"Mr. Furman, have you ever used the word...?"

"Never, never, never."

Posted by: Wild Bill | September 26, 2006 12:20 PM

Until and unless Professor Sabato adds some facts to his allegations, his statement can't be taken seriously. Why did he refuse to answer when Chris Matthews twice asked him how he knows for a fact that Allen used the racial slur?

I'm no fan of Allen, but this campaign has been totally devoid of issues by either side, and the continual, mostly baseless, charges of racism aren't winning me over to vote for Webb. He is just a Reagan Republican in Democrat clothing. At this point I will probably just stay home, or write in Harris Miller.

Posted by: blue in a red state | September 26, 2006 12:20 PM

Equal time: Extraordinary. "Apparently", I imagine that you would characterize everyone who possesses character and honesty as "mentally ill". It's sad that we must find the lowest common denominator to support racism. Well, no it's not. It makes sense. I respect your desire to support Allen, but by calling his opponent mentally ill? Don't you suspect there's just some truth to the allegations and Allen's racism? Is it only a coincidence that this information came to light or is it some kind of a conspiracy. You know: Like Oliver Stone's JFK. Or maybe the fake planes flying into the WTC.

Posted by: Virginia ex-California girl | September 26, 2006 12:22 PM

Can someone please focus on the real issues. Character attacks do not address the real issue in Washington and that is a stalled goverment.I have not heard from either canidate how they will work to solve the bigger issues facing the nation today and until this happens both canidates, in my opinion, are not worthy of the job.

Posted by: Tired | September 26, 2006 12:23 PM

To dirtyssw:

I wondered, too, about the "where were all these people" issue, but then I happened to remember something that I know--something very negative--about a very famous person who once had a close relationship w/ a good friend. If I were to reveal what I know, the person in question might say that he never heard of me and that I was saying isn't true. The former is correct, but not the latter. I didn't know him, but I know the person who was affected by what he did very well.

This is all very vague and conspiratorial and not entirely relevant to this conversation. The idea is just to say that there are lots of facts in the cosmos, and some of them surface and stick when there's a reason or an opportunity. Larry Sabato may not have been a good friend of George Allen's, but that doesn't mean he didn't know things about him or hear him say things Allen would rather he hadn't heard.

Posted by: Chris | September 26, 2006 12:23 PM

I had no idea who George Allen was until recently so the whole thing seems strange to me. Maybe the Confederate flag is just a California native trying to suck up to Southern tradition. Maybe the noose was his way of making some kind of statement about tough justice. But in either case, someone should have told him that he was appealing to the worst aspects of Southern culture (by the way I'm from NC and am still divided about whether or not VA qualifies as the South). His comments that he was young and stupid when he did those things seems a lot easier to swallow than wholesale denial of any racist tendencies on his part ever. As for the scores of people coming forward now, when else should they have come forward? They would have had practically no credibility but now that he has been caught on tape, he has a lot less ability to shout them down. Lastly, I am dumbfounded by those who are arguing that even if it is true it shouldn't matter because it's all in the past. What if it were to emerge that a candidate was an America hating millitant communist in his youth. Would you still have this "water under the bridge" mentality and trust him to represent your interests. Get real. Don't ask us to just get over having our lives, childrens' lives, and property threatened or destroyed by people in sheets waving confederate flags and burning crosses without at least an apology. Robert Byrd and even Strom Thurmond have at some point at least pretended to feel remorse followed by keeping their noses relatively clean on the racial issue. George Allen's apologies, such as they are, are undercut by more recent events.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 26, 2006 12:24 PM

Sick of liberal hypocrites said: And by the way, I grew up Jewish in a small Southern town. Jews and blacks were friends then, because everyone else hated us. Jewish shopkeepers were the only ones who would let blacks in the store. The n-word was never spoken in my house. Nor would it have been in George Allen's. The more you tag him with being a closet Jew, the less likely it is that he was a racist. You cannot have it both ways.


You're right about the historic alliance of blacks and Jews, but your argument doesn't work because George Allen's household was not, according to what he has said, Jewish.

Posted by: Dave | September 26, 2006 12:28 PM

Re Falls Church 12:15

Webb argued in 1990 precisely that the Civil War was not about slavery but rather was about state's rights.

http://www.jameswebb.com/speeches/confedmemorial.htm

Posted by: Tom T. | September 26, 2006 12:29 PM

Many careers have been ruined for far less racist behavior. I think the revalation about how he hung a noose in his office is enough to put a noose around his future political ambitions.

Posted by: Kevin | September 26, 2006 12:31 PM

what is the difference between andrew young's comments & sen georgie boy? andy young acknowledged what he said what hateful and stepped down within a week. isn't personal responsibility a wonderful thing? end of story. young admitted he made a mistake, acknowledged it and took personal responsibility for what he said. now, let's look at what georgie boy did hemmed & hawwed about what he said. first it was made up. then it wasn't. good ole boy georgie is still trying to recover from it. if georgie had admitted what he said was out of line then the story would have died.
i also like the comment that swiftboats can run in both directions. it's alittle different when it's your own candidate being swift boated, isn't it? gee, democrats are the only ones who "play the race card". what do you think the republican's southern strategy was?

webb may be a wacko. if he is, find the stuff he's signed and put it out on the internet.
you know what is really sad? this would be a great opportunity for allen to reach out to people. if he showed some doubt about his previous actions, some humanity, some idea of gee, some of those good ole boys i hung out with might not have hung with me if they had known i was jewish. i wonder what my mother felt when she saw the white supremesist anti-semitic friends i hung out with. i see none of that from george allen. is there nothing in george allen?

Posted by: quark | September 26, 2006 12:32 PM

Sick of Liberal Hypocrites--

Let me see if I get your arguments...

1. Ken Shelton's charge of racism should not necessarily be believed. Fine. Don't believe it. But it should be reported.

2. Larry Sabato was a geek who wasn't cool enough to hangout with football players, so there's no way he would have known if Allen used racial epithets. That's weak. I'm guessing Allen was pretty well-known and well-recognized at UVa.

3. Senator Byrd admitted his racism, admitted his involvement with the KKK, admitted everything. For whatever reason, the voters of WV accept that and re-elect him. There's no in-depth reporting needed. Byrd's racism (or "former" racism, if you can call it that) is well-established.

4. Hypocritical Democrats didn't mock a minority with the epithet, "Macaca." Allen did. Hypocritical Democrats didn't flip out and fly into a rage when a reporter asked an awkward and inappropriate question about Allen's Jewish background. Allen did. He suggested the questioner was "casting aspersions" about his background--which means insulting his background! Allen was the one who sees the suggestion that he is Jewish as an insult.

There is no vast, left-wing conspiracy smearing Allen as a racist. Fortunately, we "hypocritical" Democrats don't have to do anything to destroy Allen's campaign. All the voters of Virginia have to do is listen to the ignorant words pouring forth from Allen's own mouth.

Posted by: P.W. in Alexandria | September 26, 2006 12:37 PM

I have a question:

Is George Allen Jewish, or not?

Posted by: Chaim | September 26, 2006 12:38 PM

One factor that seems to have been overlooked regarding Allen's 2000 senatorial campaign was the focus on then-Sen. Robb's own "Monicagate." There were a lot of rumors floated about Robb that apparently were more interesting to voters than Allen's past. Consequently, a majority of Virginians preferred a phony over an alleged adulterer.

Posted by: Loudoun | September 26, 2006 12:39 PM

"Note that Marc didn't mention anything about not criticising Va. . . Sorry, Marc, but If I were a columnist I would hammer away each day at DC until they raise their public school levels above Guam or Puerto Rico in DC rather than focus on comments made by a VA politician back when he was still struggling with acne."

Marc said that VA politicians, like other politicians range from superb to appalling. That seems to acknowledge that he is critical of some of VA's leaders.

As for the schools, Marc has written many times about problems in the schools---about dishonest administrators, poor teachers, poor physical facilities, and, most recently, lack of access to musical instruments. And there've been many other columns.

Further, the noise he's made about some of these issues has prompted people to contribute money for DC school programs.

As I said, Marc can defend himself, but, on this issue, he has been clear, consistent, and forceful. If you haven't noticed it, you haven't been paying attention.

Posted by: Jen | September 26, 2006 12:39 PM

http://www.raisingkaine.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=4733 is collecting new stories on Allen. NRO online has a quopte from Sabato who said that Allen has always had a reputation as a mean campaigner -- so it's one reason people have been afraid to cross him

Posted by: jhd | September 26, 2006 12:41 PM

This will kill Allen, no doubt about it, he needed to reach out to the independent voters in Northern Virginia and failed. The racist vote is losing its influence due to changing demographics in Virginia. Kaine won easily by Northern Virginia which is rapidly gaining in population and will also be responsible for electing Webb.

Posted by: Rick | September 26, 2006 12:46 PM

California Girl - Why would you imagine that? I respected (and respect) Webb's service record. I was, however, appalled at what he wrote, and didn't reflect well on him, at all, not professionally, not personally. I wish I'd saved the one, even you, naive enough to say any politician has honesty and character - would be appalled.

As for Allen - you have a vivid imagination, *I'd* imagine you spend a little too much time at conspiracy sites yourself - he stepped into this, he can dig himself out. It's no conspiracy, )well, technically, it *is*), but it also happens to be the truth, as best I can tell.

But the thought that Allen's critics, and many of these stories, were hiding somewhere is pure fantasy - you must be new here or have a short memory to believe that.

My point is, and remains - they both want the same job, let's hold them to the same standard - and the same level of scrutiny.

Posted by: Equal Time | September 26, 2006 12:47 PM

I love the tone of Fisher's article: that Allen is "likable" and what gives with all these facts that conflict with his alleged "likability." George Allen is a racist in addition to being a glad-handing backbencher with zero legislation to his credit. Is that enough to warrant his defeat this November? I hope and pray that it is. Our country needs real leadership right now and not just a parrot for the president and his ill-conceived policies. Americans are dying in Iraq for nothing, and Allen doesn't know the first thing about it.

Posted by: Eric B | September 26, 2006 12:49 PM

No one mentions the book Allen's sister wrote, parts of which detail his abusive and bullying behavior. According to her, everyone in their family was afraid of him and he took full advantage of it. It seems to me that George Allen has some real insecurity issues. I tell you this, Allen probably moved to Virginia where "blacks know their place" because in California he would have gotten is a** kicked. He knew that blacks in Virginia were a more genteel bunch and not likely bother with putting HIM in HIS place. California wasn't a place where Allen could have become what he is today. Virginia was the one state where he could get away with this kind of nonsense and obviously he did and for way too long. So long, in fact, that his overconfidence has caught up with him.

Anyone that votes for this man in any upcoming elections really should have their brains checked.

Posted by: Fljw | September 26, 2006 12:50 PM

I too would like Sabato to pony up and tell what he says he knows. You can't allege something that inflammatory and then not back it up.

As for DC v VA, it's not really a fair comparison. Has VA been without federal representation for 200 years? DC has. Has VA had all the region's poor dumped on them? DC has. Has VA lived with a structural imbalance imposed by the Feds for as long as anyone can remember? DC has. Did VA have to figure out how to absorb a massive influx of very poor freed slaves after the Civil War? DC did.

Yes, DC has problems. But so does VA. Anybody care to say 'good government' and 'NOVA traffic problems' in the same sentence?

VA has a lot going for it, including a much better tax base than DC, and still they can't seem to do any traffic planning for the past 30 years.

I've lived in bad neighborhoods in VA that are just as bad as those in DC, with the same crappy police response and the same lack of city services. It's just that in DC so much more of our populace is poor, so a lot more of our city looks like the slums in VA cities (although that's changing very quickly). And I've lived under local govts in the Tidewater VA area that were just as unresponsive and stupid as DC's is.

Posted by: Hillman | September 26, 2006 12:51 PM

"Have any of you ever been to a Division I college?"

Yes.

"Do you really think guys like Sabato hang out with the football quarterback whose dad is an NFL bigshot??"

Yes. Not every Division I school passes itself off as a jock school with athletes quarantined in their own quarters.

"He is up for reelection this year, why aren't we seeing any articles plumbing the depths of his racism 30 years ago?"

Because that's very old news.


"How about the liberal bloggers who ran the Photoshops of Joe Lieberman and Michael Steele in blackface?"

Which Senate seat are these "liberal bloggers" running for?


"And by the way, I grew up Jewish in a small Southern town. Jews and blacks were friends then, because everyone else hated us. Jewish shopkeepers were the only ones who would let blacks in the store. The n-word was never spoken in my house. Nor would it have been in George Allen's. The more you tag him with being a closet Jew, the less likely it is that he was a racist. You cannot have it both ways."

Are you familiar with Levy County, FL and the man it was named after? You might be surprised to learn that some Southerners of Jewish heritage owned slaves. The treasurer of the Confederacy was also of Jewish heritage. I say "heritage" because I know Levy did not practice the Jewish faith and I cannot remember the name of the treasurer, nor do I know whether he practiced the faith.

The biggest user of the n-word I know personally is a Jewish guy from PA, who moved to Richmond after finishing graduate school in PA. Anecdotes based upon personal experience aren't the best means of judging someone else's beliefs and actions. But you knew that.

Posted by: BuddyK | September 26, 2006 12:51 PM

Horrors! Jim Webb gave a speech at the Confederate Memorial! He must be a racist!

quark - you know that it is not possible now for George Allen to do anything. A charge of racism is unrecoverable. It doesn't matter what the facts are. You can never prove the negative, especially if it supposedly happened 30+ years ago. That's why it is so important for REPUTABLE news outlets to do ACTUAL reporting on any such charges, and not to run a story unless they have ironclad proof. It's important for EVERY person who makes such a charge to go on record and be named, and state unequivocally where they were and what the circumstances were when they supposedly heard what they say they heard, and have some proof. Don't give me garbage about being afraid to come forward, when you are potentially ruining a man's career with anonymous charges.

In 1998, the Washington Post had a reporter who thought he had uncovered President Clinton having an affair with an intern. An explosive charge. But the paper did not run the story because it wanted to make sure it was exhaustively sourced and proven. A presidency was at stake. Its hand was forced by Matt Drudge, but the Post did the right thing by holding that story. More recently, the New York Times held for over a year an explosive story that the government was eavesdropping on U.S. citizens without warrants. So why are these two papers running this explosive story about George Allen with even less proof that it is true?

There's been a story out for years that Hillary Clinton called a fromer campaign aide a "f--ing Jew bastard." Dick Morris says he heard her say it. Where's the followup on that?

Posted by: sick of liberal hypocrites | September 26, 2006 12:52 PM

Larry Sabato is a highly respected and esteemed political scientist, who is quoted regularly in the media. He has also followed Allen's career from the beginning. I doubt he would risk his reputation unless he was certain that his claim was 100 accurate. If he says that Allen is a racist then it is definitely true.

Posted by: Dan | September 26, 2006 12:52 PM

Stick...
"And all this has exactly what to do with his record as a congressman, govenor and senator?"

At least as much as a president's private sex life has to do with his record. It's amazing that conservatives who wanted to invalidate the 1996 presidential election can't see the irony in their own double standards.

Grog

Posted by: Grog | September 26, 2006 12:53 PM

Dear Dirrtysw, I apologize for misspelling your nom de blog, understood your question and hoped to add a little something to it.

On reflection it seems the internet, blogs and sites like ones where the Macaca video were posted are much of why we're now getting heard. For me it was old hat, thus my "That's our George" response. However, it's clear a lot of other folks (maybe including Marc???) had never seen that ugly side of Allen. Although we might not know it from some of the posts to this forum, fact checking and propagation over the web are a material change.

In this case 30 seconds of video has generated hundreds of thousands of words and been an irrefutable illumination of character that no amount of spin has been able to erase.

Rather than call it the Roving of Allen I'd rather call it Trumaning. "Tell the truth and they think it's Hell".

Posted by: Cliff | September 26, 2006 12:56 PM

It looks like an Allen campaign staffer is posting on this blog in a desperate attempt to salvage a sinking campaign. In reality the campaign ended when Allen looked into the video camera and welcomed a Virginia native to the united states just because of the color of his skin. Anyone that stupid is not qualified to hold an elected office.

Posted by: Karen | September 26, 2006 1:00 PM

Bingo Marc. We did stumble to the core and found no center. If people had come forward with these stories they would have been beat back by a machine that would have made them the problem. It would have been the now standard blame-the-whistleblower response. Allen showed the public in no uncertain terms who and what he is, and now these stories about his past have traction.

Posted by: CW | September 26, 2006 1:04 PM

Sick of Liberal Hypocrits: Whenever neocons can't articulate a relevant reponse, they invariably trot out President Clinton and Monica Lewinsky. If such conduct or President Clinton's reponse to the allegations at the time were of such a magnitude to warrant impeachment, signs of overt racism and denials of such allegations should be adequate reasons to reconsider the legitimacy of George Allen's re-election to the United States Senate. Now, what's that about being a hypocrit?

Posted by: Virginian ex-California girl | September 26, 2006 1:10 PM

Annandale: I fail to follow your logic. It seems as though you are trying to assert that Marc should only write about DC issues because he lives in DC. Um, did you miss the geography lesson? The Washington Post newspaper covers DC, VA and MD locally, so your logic is illogical. Because he lives in DC makes him unqualified to discuss VA? What? He's a columnist who covers the entire reading area like other local reporters/columnists. Learn the fundamentals of newspaper circulation.

Posted by: String Fellow | September 26, 2006 1:16 PM

All of this discussion about macaca allen's racist comments and actions will likely energize racist white people and increase the turnout for him. Welcome to America, especially the south and southern culture of white racism. I lived through the racism of the 60's and 70's and let me tell you it was unbeliveable, some of most nasty racist behavior that we had to endure.

Posted by: K-Man | September 26, 2006 1:20 PM

A number of folks have wondered here about the basis for Larry Sabato's remarks on television in which he said he is certain that George Allen used the N-word when he was a UVa student. Sabato told the Virginian-Pilot last night that those comments were based on conversations he has had with Allen's classmates in recent months.

Posted by: Fisher | September 26, 2006 1:25 PM

George Allen a racist, NO WAY!! What finally woke you people up. His meeting with the CCC has been on the books for ten years along with his vote against a MLK Holiday!! The noose story was around last time he run for office and the fact that must Virginian are still asleep at the wheel is just plain simple willful ignorance. And for all the fools promoting Virginia schools and knocking DC schools, how much of this is based on Northern Virginia schools instead of TIDE WATER area schools. I have cousin in that area that can't even do basic math, so who fooling who. Those Suburban DC schools get a lot of their tax base from people who make their living in the city and drive across the bridge to go home at night!! Allen must go!!!!

Posted by: LOT | September 26, 2006 1:26 PM

I have a question?

Would George Allen be considered an African-American Jew?

Is he fearful that someone might out him as african and jewish play into his actions?

Posted by: DcNative | September 26, 2006 1:26 PM

I'm no Allen campaign operative. I don't even live in Virginia anymore, although I did when Allen was governor and I sure don't recall anything happening during that time that would have given me any indications that he was a racist. I wonder why Doug Wilder never said anything about this and never managed to dig this up about him? I wonder why several black ministers have come to his defense?

In fact I met George Allen once, campaigning in the inner city of Alexandria with a friend of mine who was running for the general assembly. I had forgotten about it until this whole thing came up. If he was a racist, I think I would have seen it in that setting, or else he is a really good actor. If it turns out that he did say those things in the 1970s and lied about it, I will be very disappointed in him, and were I a Virginia voter it would weigh heavily with me. If it's true he should have come clean about it years ago and never expected that he wouldn't have to.

And I don't believe he has talked out of both sides of his mouth so he can keep getting the redneck vote. That's the kind of crap you only hear from northern liberals who have no clue about the modern South and think we all are still a bunch of racist hayseeds. That is bigotry as well, but you'll never hear a liberal admit it.

Posted by: sick of liberal hypocrites | September 26, 2006 1:27 PM


What's even more disturbing than the use of the word itself is the allegation that he left a bloody deer head in an African American's mailbox. That demonstrates not only racism, but sociopathy.

It's pretty simple, really. The newspapers don't really report on this kind of stuff until it comes into the open via the candidate. There are plenty of less than flattering anecdotes about the current occupant of the White House that never saw the light of day in the mainstream press. Had he made an issue of them, however, they'd feel compelled to respond and it would be a story. Allen has handled this atrociously.

Given the way he's handled it, the allegations are believable. He might win in Virginia, but he's done in O8. He won't win if the African-American vote turns out in force.


Posted by: anon | September 26, 2006 1:34 PM

Mark - you asked why we are suddenly seeing a different side of George Allen's personality other than the unflappable and likeable George Allen. My reply - I believe that you see a person's true colors when they are forced to respond to adversity. What political adversity has Allen really had to respond to in the past? He had relatively easy campaigns for Gov. and Senate. Now you've got the combo of demographic changes in the state, his toughest challenger yet, and the 3 flaps - macaca, the jewish issue, and the N word. Honestly, I'm not sure who could respond well to all of this, but Allen certainly isn't succeeding with his current approach. When things start to pile on to a campaign, it's hard as he** to change the subject back to tax cuts or something friendly. And Webb is being smart by letting others press the scandal issue - if he did it Allen would be able to get away with declaring it a desperate act of a partisan opponent.

Posted by: jnrosen | September 26, 2006 1:34 PM

Jen,

Far be it from me to tell you that you haven't been paying attention. I suppose DC schools have improved? To me, and you can quote me, they are awful--capital plant, safety, political infighting, and what they graduate. I, like Mark, wouldn't send my kids there because they are not safe, not to mention they produce awful levels of education. Now that is what I would call forceful Jen. You can defend Marc till you run out of ink. The result is still there are lots of problems in DC, in Mark's hometown. Awful, awful problems that need hammering at: education, crime, bureaucratic inefficiency. Hammer at these till the entrenched wrongs are righted. Va is doing ok, Jen. DC needs more columns.

Posted by: Annandale | September 26, 2006 1:34 PM

Hahahaha. I never said anything about Monica Lewinsky, nor Clinton's impeachment. Nice try. I guess you picked up that I am a Jew so you trotted out the "neocon" slur too. So liberal of you.

Posted by: sick of liberal hypocrites | September 26, 2006 1:41 PM

Annandale

As someone who graduated from the DC schools, I take offensive to your comments. Not all DC's public schools are in bad shape some are in very good shape and have pretty good graduation rates. You are just another typical Racist republican spewing your blatant racism like your Boy Allen!!

Posted by: LOT | September 26, 2006 1:44 PM

To Bill Bordeaux:

As for your comparison between Senator George Allen and Senator Robert Byrd, Senator Byrd was born in North Willkesboro, North Carolina in 1917. George Allen was born in 1953 in Southern California. Byrd spend his formative years in a society steeped in Jim Crow, Allen came of age during the civil rights era when racial epithets became unacceptable, raised in a state in which racisism was unacceptable. Besides, at least Senator Byrd has come clean about his racist past and has apologised for it, Allen has just tried to sweep it under the rug. I could at least have some respect for George Allen if he admitted that he used racial slurs in the past and confessed that "macaca" was an ethnic insult (his claim that he made it up is just hooey!!).

Posted by: Dino Stent | September 26, 2006 1:44 PM

I figured someone from DC schools would fry me. That's ok. When you sling mud you get mud slung back at you. Sorry, LOT, but I'm not a racist, just someone who's lived here, worked here, and read the papers for 50 years and stating my opinion based on that. I can be diplomatic and say that I'm sure there are plenty of people that have graduated in DC and gone on to higher education and been successful and that there are teachers and administrators that work hard to educate--but I think that's a given. There's so much more to do that in order to accomplish better education for all you have to be blunt. You can turn the tables around and call me names all you want--they won't hurt me. The hurt people are the kids who suffer from poor education. The ones who graduate and who aren't at 12th grade level. Not to mention crime victims and people who are victims of their own government inefficiency. They are the ones I feel sorry for.

Posted by: Annandale | September 26, 2006 1:53 PM

gee, i saw the man campaigning in the inner city so i know he's not a racist. that is your best defense of the man? of course, he wasn't going to show that side of himself. can you spell political suicide? i guess you don't count standing in front of a mostly white crowd in southern virginia and welcoming a dark skinned person to the "real america" as racist? oh wait, only "liberal northerns" like me think that's racist. what do you think it was?
several people have met allen and said that they find the man likable. i don't think that is too surprising. what is very surprising is how shocked people are to find out that even "nice" people are racists. we like to think that the only racists out there are hayseed rednecks and that nice professional people couldn't possibly be racist. we are then shocked to discover that they are.

Posted by: quark | September 26, 2006 1:55 PM

Speaking as a Virginian. Allen was a poor Govenor and now a poor Senator. He is not very bright in the same pathetic ways Gerge W. Bush is not bright. He has used his familiy name and connections to get where he is, alot of people do that and it is not a sin. However, he has reached his level of competence as a U.S. Senator and now because of all the things that happened over the last three months he will never be President. We should all be thankful for that. Can you imagine eight years of an Allen Presidency? This country could not surrvive a total of 16 years with an idiot in the White House. We should all be thankful that George Allen's career is unraveling in front of our eyes. Our country is being watched over by a kind and good God that helped make this happen!

Posted by: Chuck | September 26, 2006 1:56 PM

Most of this information about Allen - the noose, the infatuation with the Confederate flag, the lack of support for the MLK holiday, was well-known in Virginia and reported on by local papers (and even the Washington Post) during Allen's 2000 campaign for Senate. But it is the Macaca "incident" that created enough of a buzz to bring Sabato and Allen's other former classmates forward. I, for one, wish that they had spoken up 6 years ago.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 26, 2006 1:56 PM

Partisan or not, the images that will in people's minds will be of Allen putting a deer's head in a black family's mailbox, and the noose hanging in his office along with his confederate flag. Those were things that I was previously unaware of and make me think that he is not only racist but also insane.

Posted by: Randy | September 26, 2006 1:58 PM

For those, who still have any doubts about his true personality read his sisters book.

He is one mean son of a gun no doubt about it!!!

Jennifer Allen's book, Fifth Quarter: The Scrimmage of a Football Coach's Daughter

Posted by: LOT | September 26, 2006 1:58 PM

At least I have some personal experience seeing George Allen talking with African Americans and being very comfortable with them, talking sincerely about policies to help people out of poverty and into homeownership. What experience do you have? Watching a video on YouTube?

Posted by: sick of liberal hypocrites | September 26, 2006 1:59 PM

I concur with Lot. I am a District native, and a graduate of D.C. public schools, Howard and Georgetown Universities. I think, it was a racist remark made by Annandale. There are horrible schools and crime in Virginia, and let's not forget the MS-13 gangs in Virginia. He or she doesn't want to admit, George Allen is a RACIST. After seeing and hearing him making that comment about the Indian young man, I could see in his face, he has a mean spirit. As a black man, I feel more comfortable living in D.C. around people who look like me, than living in Annandale, Virginia with a bunch of RACIST.

Posted by: Black D.C. Resident | September 26, 2006 2:01 PM

In fairness, it's hard to know if these specific charges are true, but really, does anyone find them flat out unbelievable given Allen's chosen "good ol' boy" redneck cowboy shtick and his long, long history with flags and nooses and name-calling and bullying?

Gee, just what the country needs, another privileged smiling frat boy bully - and a willfully ignorant one at that.

He might still win in VA, but it's real good to see him taken down a notch and knocked out of the Presidential race forever.

Live by the shtick.....

Posted by: Alexandria Independent | September 26, 2006 2:09 PM

Chuck - thanks for expressing my sentiments exactly. We need leaders who can think - something neither Bush or Allen nor any other number of incumbent nincompoops of any political party are capable of.

Posted by: Tough Darts | September 26, 2006 2:13 PM

Pssst. I heard that George Allen enrolled in a Berlitz course today to learn how to speak "Ebonics" and "Balckenise" so he could get back in the good graces of the African-Americans and to prove to the liberals that his is not a racist. True story!

Posted by: Chuck | September 26, 2006 2:14 PM

For Annandale: I think you are right about the DC schools, and I think it is a crime that all those kids aren't getting the education they deserve, including, unfortunately LOT, who said "offensive" when "offense" was called for and ran two sentences together into one.

But this started out as a conversation about Marc, his view of VA, and whether he has hammered the DC government and the DC school leaders enough. I think things are every bit as bad as you say--at least w/ regard to the schools, if not the whole government. What I disagree w/ is your characterization of Marc. He's not part of the problem.

But, as you suggested I might, I've run out of ink.

Have a good afternoon.

Posted by: Jen | September 26, 2006 2:14 PM

I'm a DC resident and doubt that I would have voted for Allen. But I continue to wonder: where were all these people with these stories about Allen when he first entered politics and continued to run for office? Why did his locker room buddy suddenly remember his use of the famous "N" word, or of his sticking a deer head in a mail box, or who eats turtles. And these folks suddenly just remembered all this stuff? If you believe this, then I have a great bargain on a bridge in Brooklyn I want to sell you.

Posted by: Not a Va Voter | September 26, 2006 2:15 PM

sick of liberal hypocrites

SOLH I sure don't recall anything happening during that time that would have given me any indications that he was a racist.

Perhaps you've forgotten his first Gubenatorial campaign ad that featured a Confederate Battle flag, or the picture in the Times Dispatch about the same time with him and second wife sitting in front of the Confederate Flag on his living room wall.

SOLH I wonder why Doug Wilder never said anything about this and never managed to dig this up about him?

Uh, Allen never ran against Wilder.

SOLH I wonder why several black ministers have come to his defense?

So do I, but I figure it's mostly mental health issues. Or they really do believe in loving thine enemy.

SOLH If it turns out that he did say those things in the 1970s and lied about it, I will be very disappointed in him, and were I a Virginia voter it would weigh heavily with me. If it's true he should have come clean about it years ago and never expected that he wouldn't have to.

Yes, but he did and then he didn't, so here we are. And he's a recidivist.

SOLH And I don't believe he has talked out of both sides of his mouth so he can keep getting the redneck vote. That's the kind of crap you only hear from northern liberals who have no clue about the modern South and think we all are still a bunch of racist hayseeds. That is bigotry as well, but you'll never hear a liberal admit it.

Hey Hayseed, I'm a native Virginian and lived in Bumpass for 25 years, you know, Allen's deer head territory. Put your last paragraph in a manure spreader and we could fertilize a fair sized field with it.

The Sportsmen for Allen crowd (still got your bumper sticker Bubba?) seemed to be curiously unanimous in their opinion that "We ain't gonna elect no D* (reference to Mary Sue Terry's alleged sexuality) to follow no N* (Allen suceeded Wilder as Governor). George never seemed to mind, and it looked like some of them same boys he was entertaining in the Macaca video.

Posted by: cliff | September 26, 2006 2:18 PM

Jen

I have a Master what are you packing!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 26, 2006 2:19 PM

Tonio:

As to a name "sounding Jewish". As has been pointed out, what we think of as a "Jewish name" is based on the majority of American Jews being from central and eastern Europe. You'll find that Jews in the Netherlands, Italy, Ireland and Japan often have, respectively, Dutch ("Wilfand" is a common Dutch Jewish name), Italian, Irish (I've known a few Jewish "Gillespie's" and Robert & Ben Briscoe were each Lord Mayor of Dublin... As well as being members of the IRA!) and Japanese names

Posted by: Rand | September 26, 2006 2:22 PM

I'm waiting for Mr. fisher's hit piece on KKK Byrd. Let's all study his personal history. Perhaps reach out to some fellow Klansman from back in the day for comment ?

Posted by: Mdindependent | September 26, 2006 2:27 PM

Remember four years ago when Senator Trent Lott (R)-Miss made national news when he praised retiring former segregationist Senator Strom Thurmond (R)-South Carolina on Thurmond's 100th birthday? This is almost a deja-vu of that episode. Senator Trent Lott had made racially insensitive comments before and had gotten away with them and at the time he was almost certainly going to be the Senate Majority Leader (the Republicans had just recaptured their Senate majority in the 2002 midterm elections). Lott must have had a swell head and figured he was invincible. But their was just something about the centerian Senator looking on as Lott praised him stating that he should have won when he ran for president as a segregationist in 1948, as when Allen called J.D. Sidharth "macaca", that got attention. Both were slow news periods, Allen made the "macaca" comment in mid-August and Lott praised Thurmond in early December. Lott was stonewalled after that and quickly fell from grace and lost his bid to be the Senate Republican Leader. Allen was expecting a coronation this November and was being mentioned as presidential material for 2008, so you can imagine his head was swolen and he was probably beaming from arrogance when he made the "macaca" comment. Now come next January, we may well be refering to Allen as "former Senator".

Posted by: Dino | September 26, 2006 2:33 PM

To Dino. One can only hope!

Posted by: Chuck | September 26, 2006 2:36 PM

LOT, I have lots of university degrees too--four of them. But that's neither here nor there.

I'm sorry for criticizing your writing in a forum in which I don't have to be responsible for what I said and am not in a position to be helpful.

You should know, though, that the sentence you wrote as "I have a Master what are you packing!!!" should be written as "I have a master's degree. What are you packing???"

In passing up the opportunity to point out errors such as this and tell you how to fix them, the people who taught you--all the way through graduate school--didn't do you any favors.

It sounds, though, as if you are doing well nonetheless, so I'm happy for you. I wish you well

Posted by: Jen | September 26, 2006 2:37 PM

Nobody is disputing that he had noose hanging in his office in a state with a history of lynching black men. Does he have to tatoo "I'm a racist" on his forhead and drive a Mac truck through a Black preschool before his supporters stop trying to spin a defense? How pathetic.

Posted by: Reality Check | September 26, 2006 2:38 PM

I find it fascinating that conservatives are railing against those who criticise Allen fort his hateful and bigoted views and take the so-called liberla media to task for reporting on these topics. But you're the ones who are reading this self-same "liberal media." Why don;t you all go back to the Faux News Network so you can hear stories about WMDs being found, success in Iraq, and other "fair and balanced" news items...

Posted by: Arlington Dude | September 26, 2006 2:42 PM

To Not a Va Voter -- yes, many people will believe it. Not because there's any actual evidence to back it up, and despite the fact that these phony baloney charges are coming a month before an election, 30 years later... but simply because they WANT to believe it.

If these allegations were being made against a Democrat, people like Chuck and Dino, and others here would be whining about the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.

Hypocrites.


And as for Mr. Sabato -- he HAD a good reputation as an independent political commmentator in Virginia. If he doesn't back up his claims he will be dismissed as just another left wing hack. I have followed Sabato for decades, and his liberal leanings have been suspected for a long time, he just did a good job of covering his rear end. He messed up royally on Hardball, and he knows it. Shame to screw up such a good career.

Posted by: Va Indy | September 26, 2006 2:45 PM

The only reason Allen (the pillsbury dough boy) won the Senate in the race against Robb is that Robb really was not interested in serving another term -- he hardly campaigned. If Allen had had another Democratic candidate, he wouldn't have won so handily. (Sorry, I have always referred to him as the Pillsbury Dough Boy because he looks like him.)

Posted by: Carol | September 26, 2006 3:00 PM

Just popping back in here . . .

For Equal Time:

I'm concerned about Jim Webb too. I don't think he's off his rocker. In fact, I think I'd like to know him, because I like smart people who can make a good argument.

But I do think he's wound a little tight for a career as a legislator. He might be better than the alternative, though.

Posted by: THS | September 26, 2006 3:01 PM

I'm one of those people who knows that he did use the N-word back then. My college rooommate's brother went to law school with him at UVA. He was very fond of using the N-word. I found it hard to believe at the time, given that his father was the coach of the Redskins and that he therefore spent a lot of time with black people. In fact, Allen's attitude turned my roomie off the Skins for awhile, when before she had been a fan. Nevertheless, it is true. It was a part of his vocabulary, at least back then.

Posted by: SPARTACUS | September 26, 2006 3:01 PM

Don't change the subject. This whole thing has NOTHING to do with Larry Sabato and everything to do with George Allen being a racist thug.

Posted by: Arlington Dude | September 26, 2006 3:08 PM

"Fisher should concentrate on the problems in his hometown. " --- said by Annadale

As a Senator, Allen affects all US residents. I do not live in Virginia, but as an Army vet, I appreciate better VA funding, and would love to see Webb elected, as Webb uses the VA, having suffered serious injuries when he was in Vietnam; I hope that Webb would push for more funding for the VA, I have no faith that Allen will.

Posted by: Carl | September 26, 2006 3:32 PM

RE: Slandering Senator George Allen
This is a classic Bill Clinton hachet job on behalf of Mr. Webb.
Many people supported Confederate ideas not because of racism, but to show streaks of independence and to defend federalism and individual rights.
The civil war was first about preseving the Union. Connecticut was essentially a slave state. Slaves were in in places like New Jersey, Delaware and Maryland.
Anyone who reads about the biographies of Lyndon Johnson and Harry Truman know about the racial epithets in their language, yet both of them were pioneers in the civil rights struggle. Harry Truman desegrated the miliatry,and Lyndon Johnson passed the civil rights laws of 1957 and 1965. Further, he engineered the repel of the poll tax.
Allen ACTIONS show a progressive politician. He developed the standards of learning which have provided a structure to advance the excellence of the Virginia Public School System. He kept the Virginia Budget in balance and yet enabled cities and towns to meet vital local requirments.
Words are often cheap, actions are what count. George Allen is no George Wallace. Allen is NOT a political opportunitist. What you see is what you get. With Allen you don't have George Wallace, you a Republican version of plain talking Harry Truman.
Bill Clinton is a master of lies, deception, and getting people to make false testimony out of fear of Bill Clintion. Remember Primary Colors? Why don't you State Senator Colgan about Bill Clinton?

Peter Roach

Posted by: Peter Roach | September 26, 2006 3:39 PM

Jen

It doesn't mater if you graduate from the best private school in this area are the worst public one. It is about what you do with your education. I took OFFENSE to the remarks made by Annandale because they are based on generalizations and not first hand knowledge. The whole educational system in this country needs to be reformed and D.C. is no exception. I guess having the basic right of self representation in congress would help D.C. with some of it's massive problems but unfortunately we don't have that constitutional bedrock right. The people of VA have this important right and It enrages me to see such apathy on their part about choosing a competent senator.

A Shadow SENATOR for VA sounds pretty good right about NOW!

Posted by: LOT | September 26, 2006 3:46 PM

Ah, its all Bill Clinton's fault. We should have known.

That's it, Clinton, Clinton, Clinton, only you can't be sure which one. But you can be sure that's always the answer.

Jeez

Posted by: Alexandria | September 26, 2006 3:53 PM

There are things, beliefs, slang I used 25 years ago that I did out of the ignorance of my youth. I have since grown up and out of those things. I forgive Allen for those.

However, for an adult lawyer to have the audacity to hang a noose in his office is simply unforgiveable. Hanging in his bedroom at age 16 maybe, but in his office? C'mon.

There is a pattern here. And just like Bill Clinton as his womanizing stories leaked, where there is smoke, there is probably fire,... if it walks like a duck, quacks like it duck...it's a duck people.

The sad part here is that what actually may do him in is the Jewish ancestry revelation. As bad as this may sound, some of the confederate flag waving, noose swinging Virginians who would normally support him may not be able to bring themselves to vote for a Jewish man regardless of his current religious affilation and total irrelevance to how he would govern himself in office as a US Senator. Allen was obviously trying to keep that quiet by denying his heritage so that he didn't lose those votes. That would be a tragedy if this is true.

Posted by: RacerX | September 26, 2006 3:56 PM

For those of you who have thought that Sen. Allen is being attacked for something from his youth, or something irrelevant, I'll go off on a tangent to the racism issue to explain why I won't vote for him. I typically vote Dem., but have voted for Sen. Warner, and once for Rep. Thomas (mea culpa on the last one). I've written all three of my elected officials in Washington. Know what? Sen Warner is the only one who ALWAYS responds. Whether I use snail- or e-mail, I'll get a paper response quite quickly. I don't always agree with him, but I respect him. Rep. Davis's office responds about 25% of the time to my e-mails, and letters, and Sen. Allen's office responds less than 10% of the time. I want my elected officials to be responsive. Sen. Allen isn't. 'Nough said. Is Webb perfect? Probably not, but I'm willing to give him a chance. Besides his anti-Iraq invasion position, the biggest thing he's got going for him, as far as I'm concerned, is that he isn't Sen. Allen. Oh, and those who have discussed Allen's previous elections. That's exactly the way I remember his wins against Terry and Robb. They ran such vapid campaigns that I thought the campaign managers were Republican moles.

Posted by: Alice | September 26, 2006 3:58 PM

Peter Roach

PR He kept the Virginia Budget in balance and yet enabled cities and towns to meet vital local requirments.

Yes, Northern Virginia, say thank you to the good Senator for enabling you to "meet vital local requirements" and doing it in part by decimating VDOT to ensure that you would get the wonderful road system you enjoy to this very day.

PR George Allen is no George Wallace.

Right, Wallace was both a racist and a paraplegic.


Posted by: Cliff | September 26, 2006 4:00 PM

"I'm concerned about Jim Webb too. I don't think he's off his rocker. In fact, I think I'd like to know him, because I like smart people who can make a good argument."

I honestly haven't seen much of Webb -- though most of what I have seen, I've liked. The obvious exception, of course, is that article of his from back in the day about women in the military. Well,okay. So Webb was a sexist 30 years ago. Allen was a racist last month. At the end of the day, Webb has my vote because Allen is a bigger d**che.

Posted by: Fairfax | September 26, 2006 4:03 PM

I have master what are packing!! That is just Slang and not ever post needs to be grammatical correct. This is not English class Sans the inappropriate capitalization in the middle of many of my statement. If you want to response to someone argument then response to the argument not the grammar. Communication is EMOTION and I am not a writer for the The Washington Post but I have managed to use my education from the also poor D.C. school to achieve higher education and to do ok.

Just like Black D.C. Resident DID

Posted by: LOT | September 26, 2006 4:08 PM

Here's what struck me as odd. Allen's spokesperson receives a call from Salon seeking comment for the story. Presumably, Allen's friends who were contacted by the only mag contacted Allen or his staff to say this story is coming. Why then no denial for the original story? Or no "we won't diginify this with a comment?" Even Allen's denial, that he didn't "remember" using the n-word, falls short. My guess is that Allen knows there are others out there who can come forward, which prompted to him to let Salon story run before trying to shut it down. The problem of course is that Allen's ACTIONS relayed over the past couple of days bely the image of a progressive politician. Any of these things alone, you might be able to dismiss. The confederate flag you can defend. The noose. Opposing MLK's holiday. The Macaca incident. The weird response to the question about his mother's background. Together, they are quite damning.

Posted by: Arlington | September 26, 2006 4:08 PM

"CCC stands for Council of Conservative Citizens. It's an heir to the White Citizens' Council, a white supremacy group formed to resist desegregation in the South in the 1950s. The CCC's Statement of Principles is at http://www.cofcc.org/manifest.htm "

Wow, click this link, folks. This DOES give the definitive framework for the character of George Allen. More frightening, it sounds an awful, awful lot like George Bush as well.

Posted by: Whoooly Cow! | September 26, 2006 4:18 PM

To OD:

I have seen confederate flags all over the country, as far north as maine, so I'm not assuming that only the southern states have their idiots. Racism is, unfortunatly, everywhere. (And maryland is still the south. )

My point was, a large part of virginia is rural, and very conservative. Fisher is writing this article from the point of view of a fairly liberal washingtonian (which was until two years ago). I've travelled through a lot of Virginia and there are people of all kinds everywhere, and - this is a generalization - his "base", the rural conservatives, are probably less bothered by the confederate flag or the n word than, say, i am.

I'm not saying that "EVERYONE IN SOUTHERN VA IS A RACIST". Just that attitudes are different in different areas.

Posted by: blue | September 26, 2006 4:18 PM

Lot,
While probably nothing I say will make you feel better--I'll give it a try. I have worked with DC residents a good portion of my life in various Federal Govt agencies. I've read the Post and studied the statistics about graduating classes, and seen various District schools. I am fascinated by local politics especially between DC and MD and VA. I went to local VA schools and colleges. It is a perspective based on some experiences and newspaper reading over 40 years that gives me the opinions that I have. Educational statistics that I see printed in the Post are not generalizations. Personally, I would love to see Congress give a couple billion dollars to the DC school system to tear down their schools and build new ones; to have free lunches and breakfasts, free textbooks and supplies, smaller classrooms, more teaching assistants, police protection, etc., etc. I would also approve of whatever disciplinary measures made their schools safer. I think the best way to get money is to appeal to Congress. Why?

Because DC is not a state. It is a territory and that is why you do not have representation in Congress. If I lived in DC I would appeal for voting representation, yes. But until then I would try and work within the system to get all the funding I could get.

But what do I know, right? After all I'm just a racist in your eyes. I therefore cannot have any good ideas. It takes everyone, Lot, to make something good happens.

Posted by: Annandale | September 26, 2006 4:21 PM

I have no doubt that Mr. Allen knew exactly what he was saying when he spoke that slur against the young Indian gentleman. What it boils down to is that it was a day where he was really pissed off about something. Whether it was the video taping or something else only he knows for sure. I am just glad that he himself opened the box so that we could see what his real character was like. It scares me to think that this man was elected Governor, Senator and would have probably run for President. How could he fairly treat the citizens that were the point of his racist comments? Better late then never!

Posted by: CJ | September 26, 2006 4:23 PM

A point that none of you seem to have hit upon.

There will be no Allen 2008 campaign.

Posted by: Over the Horizon | September 26, 2006 4:26 PM

There's no way I would vote for George Allen (if I had a vote, which is another rant altogether). However, that's because of his politics and record, not because of the recent events. I have a hard time giving credence to any of these "I remember when he . . . " stories. Allen has (to my utter astonishment and chagrin) won two statewide elections, and I have a hard time believing that his new accusers would have stayed silent during those campaigns. As far as Sabato goes, until and unless he provides specifics his claims are worth nothing. Those of you who claim "if Sabato says it, it must be true" should really be ashamed of yourselves.

On another note, I fail to see what the condition of the DC schools has to do with this discussion. However, those of you who feel the need to defend the DC school system really amaze me. More $ spent per student than any other school system in the country, and some of the lowest performance/test scores. Sure, plenty of people have done well and been successful after attending DC public school, and I'm sure many of them had positive experiences there. However, as an institution, it's a complete failure.

Posted by: DC | September 26, 2006 4:34 PM

I find it fascinating that in their first debate, Allen castigated Webb for being unfamiliar with a regional issue in some Virginia town that I never heard of, yet Allen totally blows it by welcoming a native born Virginian to America! Maybe Allen knows obscure small towns in Virginia, but he sure as heck doesn't know that the Commonwealth's demographics have changed.

Posted by: NoVA | September 26, 2006 4:39 PM

Only a racist electorate would send racist politicians to represent them in Washington. This will be an interesting election.

Posted by: Phil from CT | September 26, 2006 4:47 PM

From Virginia: I have seen alot of negative words mentioned here regarding "liberals" and how they are doing an untruthful hatchet job on Mr. Allen. I guess I can be "concvicted" of that offense since I am a registered Democrat (a.k.a. liberal -- according to Republicans, they believe Democrat and liberal are synonomus). However, I also am a member of the NRA, own a 12 gauige shotgun (for hunting and shotgun sports) and a .357 Magnum revolver (for home and personal protection) and have a "right to carry permit" (so I guess I believe in the 2nd Ammendment). However, I am also a person who loves his country even though I am a "liberal" Democrat. I was drafted in 1971 to "help out" in the last major foreign fiasco created by an egotistical President from Texas. Mr. Webb also "helped out" back then and his son is "helping out" now in Iraq. (There is more "man" in Mr. Webb's big toe than the entire house hold of the Allen family - but I digress). Mr. Allen has been very supportive of Mr. Bush's "mistake" in Iraq. While Mr. Webb has been not so supportive. Mr Allen wants to focus on local issues rather that those pesky global issues Mr. Webb always wants to talk about. However, the local issues can be handled by our County and State governments which we pay dearly for. I want my representative in the Senate to focus on the bigger global issues that can, someday, become local issues. Like the possibility of my teenage son being drafted so he can "help out" in Iraq/middle east. That would truly be a "local" issue I am dearly interested in.

It looks like Mr. Allen is being shown for what he realy is. A brave American, who wants to protect his country (as long as he or his family does not have to do any of the dirty work). It addition to that it looks like he is a bit of a racist. I'm sure our Virginia soldiers of-color that are fighting in the middle east will be happy to hear how much he respects them.

You gotta love them Republicans. They are a brave lot. They can start a war as long as they do not have to participate. I wonder when those Bush girl's are going to join up so thay can put on a uniform and "help out" over there. I'm not sure how old Mr. Allen's kids are but given the fact that he is in his early 50's he must have one or two that are old enough to talk to a Army or Marine recruiter. I think he needs to have his wife drive one of those kids over to the Recruiters office to see how he/she can "help out". I know he lives in the Mount Vernon area of Northern, Virginia and there is a recruiters office a short distance from his house on Route 1. So it will not be much of a chore for his wife. Heck, if its good enough for Mr. Webb's kid its got to be good enough for Mr. Allen's.

Posted by: Jason | September 26, 2006 4:50 PM

What it boils down to is that it was a day where he was really pissed off about something.

CJ, The Macaca crap was vintage George Allen. It was no abberation, he was not goaded into saying something silly, he was not angry. He was playing to a crowd of Bubbas. Both he and they were loving it. Smirking, smarmy and nasty is Allen's MO.

Look at the clip from beginning to end and listen to the crowds response to Allen. Allen was plowing familiar ground. The young man with the camera had the presence of mind to stand there silently and keep filming so we all could see it. Virginia owes him a huge debt for bringing us that footage.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 26, 2006 4:54 PM

LEAVE THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA OUT OF ANY OF THIS.

Posted by: Virginian through and through | September 26, 2006 4:54 PM

George Allen enjoyable and confident? Please, Marc. Cocky and stupid is more like it. Some of us have known that George Allen is a racist ever since he first ran for office. It's not as if this is some massive revelation.

Posted by: Jay | September 26, 2006 4:54 PM

Annandale

Some of your statements seemed dismissive but I see you understand a dependent doesn't choose the public schools they are in. You make the best of what is giving to you and you work with the system to graduate. Yes, DC is an territory but taxation without representation is unconstitutional and EXCUSES for this on going crime are ridicules

Posted by: LOT | September 26, 2006 4:55 PM

But...but....but after attempting to bully and belittle an American citizen, George Allen attended an "ETHNIC RALLY." It's true and there are lots of photos taken with the "ethnics."

http://www.georgeallen.com/site/c.hgITL5PKJtH/b.1573273/k.91BA/Album_Display.htm?x=Ethnic%20Rally

He must not be a racist. He stood for photos with African Americans.

Posted by: Kitaro | September 26, 2006 5:00 PM

DC
And Tidewater's schools are so good right!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 26, 2006 5:02 PM

To: Virginian through and through.

UVA is a southern school that still has some issues regarding race. The school's student population is predominately Republican/conservative and their perfect decade to live in is the 1950's. All you have to do is go up there while school is in session for a few days and you will know what I mean. Mr. Allen is a great example of what the school turns out.

Posted by: Chuck | September 26, 2006 5:03 PM

There are alot of "Issue" Trolls, floating around. People who pretend to be non-biased but truly see things from an ideological spin.

Like the poster Annandale, who bends over backwards to defend George Allen. This is the same guy in 3 separate posts on this one thread said, he has been reading Virginia newspapers for 40, 50, 40 years?

So on three separate occasions, he first said 40, than he said 50, than he went back to 40... When a person cant even get his OWN story right like Annandale, you can never believe his words.

If I didnt know better I would have thought Annandale was a paid Republican blogger.

Posted by: CanadianKid | September 26, 2006 5:03 PM

hey, anyone see Robert Byrd around? Or does the old KKKleagle get a pass?

Could care less what Allen said 30 years ago. That kind of revisionist crap is exactly what you socialist are known for.

Posted by: transplanted NYer | September 26, 2006 5:04 PM

"Could care less what Allen said 30 years ago. That kind of revisionist crap is exactly what you socialist are known for."

What!!!!

Posted by: Lot | September 26, 2006 5:13 PM

here's the issue:

In 2000, GW Bush supporters made character the issue in choosing Bush over Gore. Bush was supposed to restore "honor and integrity" to the white house, despite having only 6 years of public service to his record. That and absolutely no foreign policy knowlege or experience. And also being an average student with no record of distinction (how he got into Harvard Business school with C's is a matter which, perhaps, "Sick of Liberal Hypocrites" could explain). Bush was the guy people could relate to, while Gore was the guy "lying" about inventing the internet.

In 2004, again, GW Bush supporters made "character" the defining issue in choosing between Bush and John Kerry. Because of Kerry's actions 30 years ago during Vietnam (despite having volunteered to serve while Bush AND Cheney did not) he did not have the character required for the position of commander in chief. Thus, a protracted discussion of whether Kerry lied about his experiences during Vietnam and whether or not he deserved his Silver Star. Do the Allen supporters believe thoses issues were relevant to the 2004 election?

Fast forward to now. We have an individual running to represent the citizens of Virginia (of ALL races) who is alleged to view some of those citizens as inferior, solely because of their race. The questions we should ask is whether a person who does believe that members of a different race are inferior, or that they should not be integrated with other races is an appropriate candidate to represent people of all races. If you don't believe that is relevant, please, state your reasons why you believe that.

For example, would Louis Farrakhan be an acceptable canditate for statewide office? Would his views as a member of the Nation of Islam be relevant to his campaign to represent all Virginians (or whatever locale he were hypothetically running in?) If you knew that he viewed one race of people as evil, and morally inferior to other races, would you still be inclined to vote for him?

So, what evidence do we have of Allen possibly treating one race of people differently from others?

His association with CCC, which in its mission statement, denounces the intergration of the races.

Having a noose in his law office. Maybe a symbol of justice? Was he a prosecutor? I don't know, but in conjunction with the Confederate flag, it is a clear signal of racial intimidation in support of the Southern policy of segregation.

His opposition of MLK holiday: Why? On what grounds? Then he uses King's statements (content of character) to justify his opposition to affirmative action? (Sick of liberal hypocrites-- care to weigh in here?)

His videotaped use of the word Macaca to describe the one dark skinned person in a crowd of whites. When asked to explain what Macaca meant he gave multiple inconsistent statements. A tell tale sign of lying (sick of liberal hypocrites, you hate Clinton for lying...again, care to chime in?) First he said he was referring to the kids mohawk. This man went to two of the top 10 universities in the United STates (UVa and Uva law school) and he cannot express himself more clearly than that? If that explanation was the truth, he does not deserve to be a senator. But it wasn't the truth, he then said..."well I don't know what the word means". What attorney or politician uses words that they don't understand? Especially when referring to another human being? Again, another incredible explanation. Anyone supporting Allen has got to concede, that the man was being less than truthful in his explanations over this incident. Finally, why then say, welcome to America? Huh? who was he talking to? Sidarth? That statement, in conjunction with the true meaning of Macaca, places its use into context. He was using it exactly in the context of its true meaning. He then followed it up with "welcome to the real world of Virginia". I guess there are fake virginias out there. Anyone out there support this sentiment? That there are real virginians and fake virginians? And what are the consequences of fake virginianship? Do you get treated differently? Are you not as entitled to representation as real virginians? That statement alone is unworthy of a candidate for statewide office.

Someone who supports Allen, please explain/defend these macaca statements! And also explain his connection with the CCC, his vote against the MLK holiday, and his reference for nooses and the confederate flag. How can one look at those facts and NOT conclude he views whites and non-whites as separate and unequal?

Posted by: dc nerd | September 26, 2006 5:18 PM

CJ said: What it boils down to is that it was a day where he was really pissed off about something. Whether it was the video taping or something else only he knows for sure. I am just glad that he himself opened the box so that we could see what his real character was like.


I'll venture a guess as to what he was pissed off about. He was pissed off that he had to campaign for an office he doesn't really want. Allen was a one-term senator who thought that he could sail through the election and start running for president. In fact, he had already started doing that. So it's not hard to see why he was annoyed by seeing Webb's staffer there taking pictures of him doing something he didn't want to be doing.

Furthermore, Allen has said that he doesn't like the Senate because it moves too slowly. I can't say I disagree w/ him entirely on that point, but it is "the world's greatest deliberative body." People there are supposed to think and debate. I'd be happy if they'd do more of that rather than either going along w/ the president because they're Republicans or opposing him because they are Democrats.

Despite some misgivings about Webb, I'm very sure that he thinks for himself and that he is good at it. I wish he were interested in thinking about a wider range of things, but I see more promise there than I do w/ Allen.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 26, 2006 5:24 PM

Add "chikenhawk" to the negative adjectives being thrown around about George Allen. Allen was born in 1953. That meant he was 18 in 1971. The draft ended in 1973. The Vietnam War went on until 1975. Hmmmmmm. It is a matter of public record that Allen is a big, gung ho supporter of military conflicts. In 1991, Allen was a US House member he very enthusiastically supported military action in the first Gulf War, and of course as we know supported the second Iraq War in 2002. His opponent Jim Webb, born in 1946, graduated from the US Naval Academy in 1968, served four years, including a long tour of Vietnam, and was medically discharged in 1972. Furthermore, Webb's son is a Marine Lance Corporal currently serving in Iraq. Is Allen's son Forrest currently serving in the US Military in a combat zone? I don't think so.

Posted by: Dino | September 26, 2006 5:33 PM

Webb's a crusty old Navy guy, right? Wonder what bile has come out of his mouth over the years?

Again, where were all the "concerned" citizens when Allen ran in 2000?

Even Sabato is backing off some of his claims...now they're "anonymous" sources who got the information from other "anonymous" sources who must remain anonymous because they fear retailiation. Right...

This whole thing is getting fishy. Give it a week, if it doesn't produce a result, expect the Dems to switch to anothere meme.

I heard Allen kicks puppies. Pass it on.

Posted by: Not a supporter but come on... | September 26, 2006 5:39 PM

Re Jim Webb Fairfax said: The obvious exception, of course, is that article of his from back in the day about women in the military. Well,okay. So Webb was a sexist 30 years ago. Allen was a racist last month. At the end of the day, Webb has my vote because Allen is a bigger d**che.


I agree w/ your last sentence completely. Also, even way back when, Webb's opposition to women in the military was principled. Many people may feel that it is never justified to make decisions based on gender, but the distinctions between men and women are of a different character than the differences between blacks and whites. As Secretary of the Navy, Webb went about trying to figure out where performance by women and men differed in a serious way, and he developed solutions to problems. He also opened many new positions to women. He has said, only a couple of weeks ago, that he is completely comfortable w/ where things stand now w/ regard to women in the military.

Here are links to a very interesting Frontline called "The Navy Blues," which was filmed after the Tailhook scandal. Webb was one of the people interviewed in connection w/ that film, and the interview is very interesting, both for what it says re his views of women and for what it says about his ability to think and communicate.

Link to Frontline show site:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/navy/
Link to list of interviewees: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/navy/ails/

Posted by: THS | September 26, 2006 5:49 PM

I am amazed at the tenuous connections people are making of this. Allen grew up in a very "non-PC" time of our country when the wheels of racial equality were still in motion (and still are, I might add). Could he have used slang in his youth that would be appalling if used today? Sure. I am also pretty sure many of his generation did. Moving briefly to another generation - let us not forget that Senator Byrd is a former card carrying member of the KKK. He manages to get away with an affiliation that was known for tormenting, killing and the hopeful annihilation of human beings, yet Allen is being verbally and politically bludgeoned because he may have used the "n" word. Let's put things into perspective!

Now, I'm not looking to excuse Allen, but based on what I've seen so far, I have to wonder if this isn't a political witch-hunt. If he is indeed a racist, he should forget about his political aspirations and move along, but show me some tangible evidence before destroying a man's reputation. Hearsay over the utterance of the "n" word? Affinity for the Confederate flag? Please! I have an interest in American History, specifically, the Civil War...and I think the Confederate flag is kind of cool - does that make me a racist? Of course not! The Confederate flag has different meanings for different people. Like it or not, it does have a place in our History. I hope Allen's political career does, as well.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 26, 2006 5:51 PM

Why are some on here attacking the public education system in the District of Columbia? The topic is Senator George Allen. I am tired of hearing some of you RACIST living in Virginia and Maryland attacking the District. This is why many black U.S. citizens haven't spoken out along with white Americans against illegal immigration. Many blacks view white Americans as being racist, and although many blacks don't support illegal immigration, many will not side with white U.S. citizens, and will remain silent on the issue of illegal immigration. Many whites like Patrick Buchanan and George Allen are afraid, they are losing their whiteness in this country to Latinos and other non whites. There is a mentality in this country, white people are superior to blacks. Several individuals have attacked LOT for not writing and spelling correctly on here. I don't think, this is an English class? The educational system in the entire country need to be reformed. Maryland is a southern state known for it's history on Racism. I think, GEORGE ALLEN is a RACIST, and if I were a resident of Virginia, I would not vote for him. My relatives living the the Tidewater/Richmond areas will not be voting for a REDNECK.

Posted by: D.C. Black Resident | September 26, 2006 5:52 PM

Where is the outrage about Sen. Robert Byrd (D-WV) who, no longer than about a year ago,used the "n" word on national television. Where is the "forgiveness" that he has experienced for his "youthful indiscretion" of being an active member of the KKK?

Double standard at work? Appears so.

Posted by: Alexandria Voter/Old Town | September 26, 2006 5:53 PM

Remember through all this that the candidates both tape each others campaigns. They do it to be sure one of them does not, for example, go to one place and campaign as a racist and then to another and campaign as moderate, good natured and enlightened.

The Webb folks in their dreams could not have expected Allen to be stupid enough to pull the sheet over his head and deliver a racist assault on their staffer directly into his lens and microphone. Allen on the other hand obviously could not believe he'd been nabbed white handed, he'd never been called to task before.

Why should this be different? That inescapable video with the acid sprayed directly at the viewer was what was different. It could not be brushed aside or explained away, and people began to pay attention. The stories that had been floating around for years finally found an audience. That encouraged others to come forward, and the process may not be done. Who knows what other evil lurks?


Posted by: Cliff | September 26, 2006 5:58 PM

rasism.... bad but not a deal killer

Lying about racism.... Throw the BUM out nov 7!!!!

Posted by: pvogel | September 26, 2006 6:16 PM

"Is this a distraction from the serious debate over Iraq that Allen and Jim Webb had been having?"

Racism is a serious issue as well. One that existed before the war, and will continue after the war.

Especially for a man who will make policy.

Posted by: richv | September 26, 2006 6:59 PM

Alexandria Voter said:

"Where is the outrage about Sen. Robert Byrd (D-WV) who, no longer than about a year ago,used the "n" word on national television. Where is the "forgiveness" that he has experienced for his "youthful indiscretion" of being an active member of the KKK?"

Personally, I wish Senator Byrd had retired. But I don't live and vote in WV and I'm not so arrogant as to think I should tell the good folks of that state who their political representatives should be. I do vote in VA and George Allen's character matters to me.

The news about Byrd being an ex-Klansman has been public knowledge for decades. I don't think he has ever denied it. If you're so concerned about him representing WV, perhaps you should move there and vote against him.

Posted by: BuddyK | September 26, 2006 7:02 PM

Y'know, I bet the reason Senator Byrd is "getting a pass" here is because he's not the topic of today's blog. Allen is.

It isn't a double standard to not talk about someone who is not the topic. Sheesh.

Posted by: Fairfax | September 26, 2006 7:14 PM

This entire article is spun to the beliefs of the writer, which really turned me off. He needs to stay at the Washington Post, since he doesn't know anything about objectivity.

I am not for, or against Allen, but when I read something like this it sounds like Allen is being attacked. All of this aside, who HASN'T used the "N" word in their life? I guarantee these people that came forward to tell everyone Allen used this word, had at some time used it them self. I know Allen used that word, because, once again everyone has said it.

Posted by: Mean Dean | September 26, 2006 7:17 PM

Well, he's probably attended his last fraternity house reunion.

Posted by: Nancy Naive | September 26, 2006 7:24 PM

Wow, Marc Fisher is hard at work writing for a great left wing news paper like the Washington Post. I don't have a dog in the fight as far as Allen is concerned. I am an independant and have voted equally on both sides of the fence, but to hear such irresponsible writing by Mr. Fisher shocked me. If he was writing an opinion piece that would be one thing, but he is actually trying to put it out as an unbiased article. I wouldn't even wipe my ass with his article.

Posted by: Dean of Portland | September 26, 2006 7:32 PM

I want to know what G.Allen mother being Jewish has to do with his "rights"and "wrongs".Is being a Jew is already a crime?The stink of salphur or rather antisemitic attitude better thn colling somebody macacca?

Posted by: Bell | September 26, 2006 7:54 PM

The washington post is trash. Democrats on one side call Steele an uncle tom up in MD and then come to VA and call Allen a racist. The only problem is, we have no idea who Jim Webb is, and I don't think we will really have a chance to meet him since the media is too busy smearing Allen.

I will have to see more of who Webb is to give him my vote.

Posted by: not a media sheep | September 26, 2006 7:55 PM

Weather Allen said what he said or did what he did or not, he looks like a gutless damn fool as he tries to talk his way out of it. I have no confidence in a man who talks out of both sides of his mouth. Where is your spine, man?

Posted by: Fairfax Voter | September 26, 2006 7:57 PM

I cannot speak to what Allen has said in the past as I was not there.

I heard some of these people have been paid off to come forward and throw dirt on Allen's character.

The Democrats are desparate for a victory people. They will do anything to gain an edge.

Posted by: Unmoved Voter | September 26, 2006 8:09 PM

allen's anti-intellectual tough guy act is right out of the gw bush and rove playbook. it's really about an electorate that wants tough guy, even if tough guy is incompetent, privileged, thoughtless, lying, mess-maker. we'll have to wait until after the election to see who wins this blog-off.

Posted by: burf | September 26, 2006 8:12 PM

Newday,
What is the difference in someone meeting with the NAACP and them meeting with the White Citizens Council?

Posted by: will | September 26, 2006 8:17 PM

I attended high school in Palos Verdes California with George Allen, and he was well known on campus for his racism. His car was covered with Confederate flag stickers. He wore a Confederate flag lapel pin in his graduation portrait, and when racist graffiti turned up on the walls of the school one day, the administration knew right away who was responsible - George Allen. He was forced to publically apologize. Ryan Lizza documented that story in the New Republic back in April and it was corroborated by five other classmates and a former school administrator. I contacted several Virginia reporters back in 2000 when Allen was running for the Senate, and told them what I knew. One called me a liar. The others were polite but skeptical. After all, high school was a long time ago. I even contacted Chuck Robb's campaign staff and urged them to speak with some of the other members of the class. They didn't follow up. None of the allegations now surfacing surprise me. I think those who know what kind of a person Allen really is behind the "aw shucks" veneer, finally decided the time had come to speak out - especially in light of the very revealing "macaca" comment. I am awaiting the moment when a brave reporter asks Allen, "How did you come to name your son Forrest?" Google Nathan Bedford Forrest if you don't know what I'm getting at.

Posted by: HPM | September 26, 2006 8:45 PM

Despite his years of successfully playing the role of the simple, likeable, plain-spoken county boy, George Allen has been living in a political bubble for years. The bubble has burst. The more exposure this man gets the worse he looks.

Posted by: karkmark | September 26, 2006 8:51 PM

He ain't no Ronald Reagan, nor a Newt G.
Southern folks are tired as hell of out of state poseurs coming to town and becoming bigger racists 'cause they think they can get away with it. G.Allen is a goddam fool and is too stupid to rise to the top of his own party, much less to a position of leadership.

Posted by: Trip Ferguson, NNews, VA | September 26, 2006 8:52 PM

George Allen is motivating more young voters than most people realize. My fellow high school seniors who are turning 18 before election day are all going to the polls simply because they are finding out about how racist George Allen truly is. Now if only we could get rid of John Warner as well.

Posted by: Bryan | September 26, 2006 8:58 PM

Hey this is a guy who tortured and terrorized his younger siblings. Clearly a racist bully.

Posted by: Dennis | September 26, 2006 8:59 PM

The Civil War was about more than slavery: it was also about the South's self-serving insistence on having preferential treatment in Congress to influence economic policies in their favor. It boiled down to money and power...gee, sounds familiar, doesn't it?

Of course, what the "Confederate flags aren't just about slavery" crowd always refuses to acknowledge was that slavery was the key to the South's whole scheme. Their labor force was their property, had no legal rights, and gave them enough representation in Congress to veto laws which were in the best interests of most of the country. This is further in evidence when one examines the terms that the South proposed to the North during the final negotiations prior to secession. Their committment to democracy and national unity was out the window the minute they had to accept a level playing field and earn an honest living like everyone else. Sure, "State's Rights" was the rallying cry, but what it really came down to was white supremacy. The South wanted a neo-feudalist society in which the rich white plantation owner was entitled to a life of luxury and privilege, and even the poorest white man was entitled to the God-given knowledge that he was superior to a colored man. Equivocate, rationalize, defend the confederate flag all you want, but you can't change the fact that it stands for slavery, exploitation, and oppression. You can believe with all your might that it's not like that, but the rest of us know better.

Posted by: just browsing | September 26, 2006 9:00 PM

Whywouldvirginianswantaussenatorthatisatobaccochewingconfederateflagdisplayingnooseowningcowboybootwearingmacaccacallingheritagedenyingnwordusingmlkholdidaydenyinggoodolesouthernboywannabefromcalifornia.
Thisis2006notthe1960svirginiadeservesbetterthanthis.

Posted by: mwilson6509 | September 26, 2006 9:01 PM

Allen's son has nothing to do with this chat. I do not know why someone would need to bring this up as it does not pertain to this chat. I admire Mr. Allen for the compassion that he has shown toward his mother during the past couple of weeks. He is very concerned about her well-being. Can we not identify with that? This man clearly has family values and that is what is most important in our society. God bless Mr. Allen and his mother.

Posted by: Care for Your Family | September 26, 2006 9:02 PM

Why can't you be more specific where you heard about 'some people'? Is this written anywhere where people can verify for themselves?

"I cannot speak to what Allen has said in the past as I was not there.

I heard some of these people have been paid off to come forward and throw dirt on Allen's character.

The Democrats are desparate for a victory people. They will do anything to gain an edge.

Posted by: Unmoved Voter | September 26, 2006 08:09 PM"

Posted by: Jay | September 26, 2006 9:03 PM

Ask the graduates in the Class of 1994 at the University of Virginia about the campaign speech the then Gov. George Allen delivered to them on graduation day. He was so out of tune to the occasion that many of the graduates stood up (in cap & gown) and turned their backs on him. My child was not one who stood up, but I would not have reprimanded any student who did. As a parent, I could not blame them! Everything out of his mouth was "I", "I", "I". It was as if he was saying "Big I, little you."

He apparently had delivered the same speech at Virginia Tech a week or so earlier according to parents who had to sit through the same campaign propaganda as we did.

After that day, I resolved to never vote for him again.

It is good that he is being exposed for the person that he is. He thinks he is so great because he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and can do no wrong!

Posted by: mollie | September 26, 2006 9:19 PM

I have known George for over 40 years and those of you who call him a rasist are dead wrong. He is an amazing individual and you should consider yourselves lucky to have him as your Senator.

Posted by: Steve | September 26, 2006 9:25 PM

The only thing we know for certain in this ugly episode is that George Allen walked into a room full of white people several weeks ago, looked at the one brown skinned person in the room, and insulted him. Now we are really supposed to believe that he didn't use the N-word and is not racially insensitive. Please. I weep for the party of Lincoln, Eisenhower and Nixon. I will be voting Democrat this fall.

Posted by: A Disgusted Republican | September 26, 2006 9:25 PM

deport allen to india for 50 years....to africa another 50 years....or send him with kenlay of enron...he is not dead...

Posted by: paul | September 26, 2006 9:54 PM

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Posted by: BlogBunnyLover | September 26, 2006 9:55 PM

I spent 3 years in rural SC. It's obvious Allen is a racist and courts the racist vote. Up until know he has walked the line very well (for a southern politican in state elections). Perhaps the country's and VA's mood has shifted a bit away from Allen. He may be sad to find out that what was formally "acceptable" is now not.

Having moved to CA, all I can tell you is that his political career would now be over - and thatis any district, Red or Blue. Perhaps the days of the Southern race-baiting politicians is over (remember Helms and Thurman)? That would be great news.

Allen never has a chance for President. Anyone not from the South or familiar with Southern politics would be able to tell that this guy was "not quite right".

Posted by: BigRed | September 26, 2006 9:55 PM

how we americans tolerate this bloody allen...put him in prison....i think we all are fools

Posted by: paul | September 26, 2006 9:57 PM

In my opinion, many U.S. voters are growing weary of the swaggering arrogance of people like George Allen, George Bush, and Dick Cheney. There may be times when the country needs and selects people like this because they carry a confidence that can seem safe and even righteous. But it often happens that the swagger becomes onerous, and yesterday's "bring it on" becomes nothing more than the hollow screech of a bully who desperately wants to believe he is in control.

Think of "I'm the decider," and you'll probably get an intuitive, gut-level feel for what is wrong with much of the current Congress and administration.

George Allen is too much like his president. These guys were usually known as jocks in school; they were the big men who dated the cheerleaders and were the first to get a car when they turned 16. These were the "leaders" who were able to intimidate or impress others. But is this truly leadership? Is it public service that we sense in people like Allen?

I think the line between pomp and pompus was crossed when Allen made his smutty little smirk of a comment to the guy taking the video. I believe his true nature and lack of humanity flashed out on the screen of his life, and now we've seen who this man really is.

One only hopes and prays that voters will recognize a bigot and a braggart when they see him. This sort of person is not fit to govern; he has a fair amount of life lessons to learn before he's fit to lead.

Ultimately, arrogance fails the test. It is not the "bring it on" bravado that secures our freedom or wins our respect. It is something far more substantive; something that people like George Allen and the Bush gang know nothing about.

Posted by: Russell Clay | September 26, 2006 9:57 PM

In two converstions I had with my College classmate George Allen on The Lawn in front of Newcombe Hall at The University of Virginia in early 1974 he used the N-word describing "Arabs" as "sandn*****s" at least a dozen times.

He can only have been trolling for a racist coterie as his comments were bizarrely "non sequitur."

Not being one of Larry Sabato's "sources" for his confirmation of Allen's N-word use, I offer my additonal witness only because I'm absolutely convinced that George Allen is hired-help in the pernicious, fascist, unAmerican faction identified as "the real Anti-Christ" by Our Founder, Thomas Jefferson.

Noose rather than guillotine for Treason? Banishment for Misprision of Treason? Justice must be done. Gee, where are the 757's 124' of wings on the Pentagon's manicured lawn? And not a dent in the wall at 500mph?

P.S. Football was, as should it be, a joke at UVa while Allen was playing.

Mr. Jefferson would have had it no other way:

"Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body, and stamp no character on the mind."

TJ was a prophet...as Allen's complete lack of character confirms.

Spitting at women's feet...whataman.

Posted by: Will Jones | September 26, 2006 10:05 PM

Will said: What is the difference in someone meeting with the NAACP and them meeting with the White Citizens Council?
What is the difference in someone meeting with the NAACP and them meeting with the White Citizens Council?


This is a pretty incredible statement. I'm not sure that anyone who would ask it likely to understand the answer, but I'll try.

The goal of the NAACP is to expand the rights and opportunities of African Americans, help people build alliances for political and economic action, and represent the interests of African Americans to political and economic leaders.

The goal of the CCC is to restrict the rights and opportunities and of others. Their ardent wish is to make the United States a country of white people. The NAACP hasn't ever published anything that's equivalent to the Statement of Principles issued by the CCC. Once again, here it is. http://www.cofcc.org/manifest.htm

Posted by: THS | September 26, 2006 10:08 PM

I was 18 in 1975, raised in a small Southern town....I have never used the N word nor have I ever been friends with anyone who did. Still, I realize people can make young mistakes....ok if you own them and demonstrate how you have changed.

Regarding the Confederate Flag not being all about slavery (however, I would bet that everyone who has one now is a racist)...if we are true Americans...why would we defend someone who supports the Confederacy....who fought against Americans and was as AntiAmerican as it gets?

Posted by: Anne | September 26, 2006 10:12 PM

"I am by nature suspicious of people who
suddenly appear with untold stories of bad
deeds from long ago."

People don't come forward with embarrassing
information because the people that hear
them will then question them relentlessly
and subject them to serious harassment
when they do come forward. The easier way
is to just stay silent.

Posted by: Mike | September 26, 2006 10:32 PM

The awful civil war was Americans on both sides. Regardless of the slavery issue (which was essentially the cause of that war), the Confederate flag is not itself racist. Nor are its fans. It represents the south, unique unto itself, and happens to be beautifully designed. Yes, there are non-racists who appreciate the Confederate flag. These are the same people whose kin probably constitute a significant portion of the US army. Not exactly un-American.

Posted by: Aaron | September 26, 2006 10:51 PM

I have a question:

Is George Allen Jewish, or not?


Complicated question, Chaim! Judaism is complex and defined by several factors: heritage, practice, belief. Having a Jewish background doesn't make Allen Jewish necessarily according to most, because he does not claim Judaism for himself. I'm not that well-versed on what makes someone Jewish or not, so here are a few links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish#Who_is_a_Jew.3F

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F

Posted by: just passing by | September 26, 2006 10:56 PM

From what I heard, only Allen's maternal grandfather was Jewish. Therefore, if that's true, then he's not Jewish at all according to Jewish Law (Halakha).

What is the big deal, anyways?

Posted by: Steve | September 26, 2006 10:56 PM

I stated earlier about the parallels about George Allen and Trent Lott and the exposure about the Mississippi Senator's racism, remember when Trent Lott was disgraced, he appeared on Black Entertainment Television and did an about face on affirmative action? It reminded me of George Allen appearing recently with five black ministers on -guess what-a proposed ballot measure initiative to amend the Virginia State Constitution to ban same-sex marriage (VA already bans same-sex marriage, hence the initative is as redundant as it is bigoted)which is a page from the playbook of racism i.e. to pitt one targeted minority against another targeted minority. Note: Trent Lott appeared in an anti-gay movie "the Gay Agenda". Trent Lott also tried back in 2002 to get Condolezza Rice and Colin Powell to make supportive statements about him (they both refused). In the words of the legendary Chicago Bears Coach Yogi Berra, its deja-vu all over again.

Posted by: Dino | September 26, 2006 11:08 PM

I guess whether you think the "N word" was common in the 70s depends on what kind of people your friends and family were.

Posted by: Voter | September 26, 2006 11:11 PM

How come everyone writes "N*g*er" to avoid even spelling out the hideous word but nobody hesitates to write "Macaca" without censoring out the letters? Isn't this a form of racism?

But getting back to Mr. Allen, and the other allegations, it is fair to assume that a great number of Americans have used inappropriate language and claims to the opposite by anyone should be dismissed. When it comes to saying things foolish and insensitive none of us are exempt. The debate should continue to focus on the political differences between the two candidates and less on this kind of tabloid style journalism.

I think there is plenty to dislike about his political views without ever actually knowing what he sad or didn't say many years ago.

Posted by: M*c*ca | September 26, 2006 11:26 PM

Mr. Allen would like us to believe that he wishes the sincerest best for racial slur victim ("macaca" victim) and that he had not meant to deride the person or his lineage.

Then Mr. Allen goes on to paint the picture that he is not at all trying to hide his jewish background.

Further, he would want us to believe that he never used racial slurs towards any specific minority group.

Wow!!! Why stop there? While he is on his You've-got-to-believe-me tour, he should go ahead and convice us that tooth fairy does exist! And Santa does run a large scale toy operation at the North Pole.

Posted by: Onlooker | September 26, 2006 11:53 PM

I find this episode with Mr. Allen disturbing in seeing that he has given 4 or 5 different reasons for macacca, took such offence to being asked a question about his mother's heritage rather than just simply answering it, and now questions re his attitudes from years ago in making disparaging remarks about people of colour.
Perhaps, as some who seem to support him ask why is this relevant or important now, they should look at the climate this is occurring in. For any of those who question republican attitudes re the Iraq war or illegal wiretapping etc., people are being called unAmerican, or acting in a treasonous manner. Republicans in office now say that unless you agree you are offering aid and comfort to the terrorists. You have reports of Republicans spending millions and millions on investigating democratic candidates for little dirty secrets they might find re their taxes or private life. Yet republicans feel hard done by and affronted because a republican is being placed in the limelight for his own public actions? Perhaps it is time to hit the higher road for all, but republicans seem to want it both ways in that they feel they can make personal attacks on others, but don't want that little action returned.
If republicans make it well known that all is fair in politics, then you have to be prepared to be part of that "fair" as well, otherwise don't start something that may come home to roost.
Mr. Allen could have spared himself and his state all this mess by simplying apologizing right away for the initial comment, and by not making such a simply answerable question into an affront on the lady asking the question. Act in strange ways and you are sure to get attention. Whether it is the kind you want, may be a different matter.

Posted by: foreign visitor | September 27, 2006 12:02 AM

Larry Sabato has lost ALL of his credibility. We all know that he's a democrat, and always has been, but he kept some pretense at being non partisan. That's over now. He can offer NO proof of anything. How foolish of him to ruin his reputation with no proof of anything.

All of this certainly has energized Allen's base! His supporters know a hatchet job when they see one. It's disgusting.

Hang in their George! We're all with you, all the way to the White House!

Posted by: Jane | September 27, 2006 12:09 AM

Jason, in what state are you a registered democrat? Just wondering.

Posted by: Jane | September 27, 2006 12:15 AM

It is interesting you look into the background of those who said Allen used the n-word frequently and not into the background of those who say he never used it in his life. All three of the first cited supporters of the 'never used the word' story have political and economic connections to George Allen.

Doug Jones, Fairfax County Republican Committee, Co-Chair for the Allen campaign in Fairfax County.

George Korte - Executive Marketing Manager for Federal Systems Division of Intergraph Corporation, one of Allen's biggest corporate patrons, bidding for government contracts..

Charles M Hale appointed to the Board of Mineral Mining Examiners by George Allen.

I suspect the media will find many, many people who will recall Allen using the n-word.

In all respects, Allen has brought this on himself with ridiculous, over-the-top, and unbelievable denials rather than simple confessions of youthful errors and recent mistakes.

Posted by: Gary Denton | September 27, 2006 12:21 AM

He's a politician, how could you think he would tell the truth about anything? It's a rule, they must lie.

cmsix

Posted by: cmsix | September 27, 2006 12:25 AM

>>>Sabato was once closely affiliated with the state Democratic party and worked in the 1970s in the gubernatorial campaigns of Henry E. Howell, a noted liberal. He now is director of U.Va.'s nonpartisan Center for Politics.<<<

http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=111642&ran=229772

I guess Sabato can now remove 'nonpartisan' from the name of his center.

Posted by: Jane | September 27, 2006 12:28 AM

for CLIFF, you said it perfectly, as to where Allen's critics have been:

"We've been around for a long time, and pretty vocal. It's taken a high profile gaff to get anyone to pay attention. Marc's brain dead characterization of Allen as "likeable" is a perfect illustration of the problem. Too much time schmoozing and sucking up for access and not enough time thinking means the truth has a hard time getting into print."
====

dead on!!! Thanks. I wrote to Marc on the very issue, how appalling it is to refer to a physically abusive racist as "likeable" and Marc argued what a good time he's had being schmoozed by Allen! Not only is it a perfect illustration of the problem, but Fisher seems to think there is no problem with the lap dog journalists rolling over to get their bellies scratched by the politicians they are supposed to be watch-guarding over!

There have LONG been very articulate and vocal critics spelling out George Allen's racism, but George Allen has no one to blame but himself for this recent flood of attention. He tried to browbeat a brown-skinned kid while he was being videotaped!
Dumb.

And, as for the poster who suspected that Allen campaigners are posting here in an effort to do some damage control, I've been reading all the blogs and these damage-control tools are on EVERY blog, doing the same, even using the same phrases and same red herrings. A likely suspect here would be "niceday" who posted almost immediately, with lies. Niceday tried to say that there was only one teammate who came forward, but there were three that Salon cited, and then Niceday went on to lie that the one teammate was "mostly" a Dem. If it quacks like an Allen campaigner...

Posted by: Zee | September 27, 2006 12:41 AM

Where were these people??

Exactly in the same place as the Swift Boat veterans were, for John Kerry. How quickly we moan when the weapons of our arguments, boomerang to hunt us.

Posted by: Subroto | September 27, 2006 12:42 AM

Big Government Republicans: global war, massive debt, no growth , inflation, rich get richer, maginot line borders.

No thanks.

Posted by: Dump Allen | September 27, 2006 12:42 AM

I'm concerned about the way Allen (who spent his formative years in **California**, by the way) has handled himself throughout this campaign. He's going through a second puberty or something. I dunno.

But I'm not concerned enough to vote for a squishy bleeding-heart flip-flopper like Webb.

And anyone who thinks racism is part-and-parcel to Virginia should be ashamed for such ignorance.

Posted by: Skidoo | September 27, 2006 12:53 AM

I didn't use the n-word, really. And I don't know what macaca means, I just made it up. Really. And, I just found out, really. And I am proud of it.

Posted by: G Allen | September 27, 2006 12:56 AM

@blue: Maryland is not the South.

Posted by: Skidoo | September 27, 2006 12:58 AM

Here's the real story.

My campaign staff was calling this kid "Mohawk," because he wouldn't tell them his real name, and because, well, he had a mohawk haircut.

I didn't know his name at the time. Maybe I shook his hand, maybe not. I don't know.

My mother is from Italy, by way of North Africa. I'm sure I heard the word "macaca" at some point while I was growing up. I have no idea what the context would have been.

So it was a hot day this past summer, I was pissed off about something or other-- distracted--and I goofed.

Unfortunately, I've handled this situation (and the Is-your-mother-Jewish? question) poorly. In fact, I think I'm having some sort of breakdown. So you probably shouldn't vote for me.

But doubly unfortunate for you, Virginia voter, is the fact that the only alternative you have to me is some squishy socialist Democrat flip-flopper. Sigh.

Posted by: George Allen | September 27, 2006 1:08 AM

Maryland is not the South? wth? Check out state song.

Posted by: Dump Allen | September 27, 2006 1:13 AM

skidoo's MO is a classic.

The poster professes concern, but then there's always some reason to vote for the racist thug Allen and not for Webb.

On another board one such tool kept insisting that his "main issue" was immigration, so he was "leaning" toward voting for Allen. He tucked tail and ran when confronted by the fact that chicken hawk Allen voted against giving our kids in Iraq lifesaving vests. But not before valiantly trying to out-Cheney the idea that the IraQuagmire we're in is in its "last throes" so what's a few more kids without proper armor?


Posted by: Zee | September 27, 2006 1:14 AM

I've read a wide range of responses--agreeing with some--but the overall tone of civility, IMHO, makes this thread an outstanding example of American discourse. Y'all keep talkin' and may we all learn sumpthin' from it.

Honor, courage and committment.

Posted by: A Texican Sailor in Hawaii | September 27, 2006 1:15 AM

to all my dear non-virginian libs out there, feel free to attack allen for his racism but do NOT use him to indict the entire state of virginia, or the rest of the south for that matter. after all, it's virginia, NOT massachusetts, rhode island, california, etc. that to date has elected the one and ONLY african-american governor in the history of the us: douglas wilder in 1989. that to me says everything about the supposed rampant racism of this fine state.

Posted by: david | September 27, 2006 1:15 AM

Allen is big supporter of uncapping immigration: SKIL Bill, Hutchinson amendment, etc. Allen loves cheap labor.

Allen ships our jobs overseas and our kids to Iraq.

Posted by: Dump Allen | September 27, 2006 1:17 AM

Oh, and skidoo, you really should read the Salon article. Allen gave a teammate the nickname "Wizard" because the teammate's name was the same as one of the grand poobah "wizards" in one of Allen's dreamboat white supremacist clans.

Let's make a deal. You can continue to let a racist-to-the-marrow candidate "not concern" you too much...and I will be proud to recognize that the Virginians voting for Allen are tolerant...of racism. Hopefully, the nonracist votes for veteran candidate Webb will outnumber the CCC votes.

Posted by: Zee | September 27, 2006 1:22 AM

@Dump Allen: Er, no. As a Virgnian of many, many generations, I can say with authority that Maryland is not part of the South.

Try checking out the facts, instead of songs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States#Geography

Posted by: Skidoo | September 27, 2006 1:24 AM

I hear the distant thunder-hum,
Maryland!
The Old Line's bugle, fife, and drum,
Maryland!
She is not dead, nor deaf, nor dumb-
Huzza! she spurns the Northern scum!
She breathes! she burns! she'll come! she'll come!
Maryland! My Maryland!

Posted by: 2skidoo | September 27, 2006 1:28 AM

What David said. I've seen waaay more racism in Buffalo, NY then I've ever seen as lifelong citizen of Virginia.

Posted by: Skidoo | September 27, 2006 1:30 AM

When all else fails, ignore Allen's connection with CCC, his nicknaming a teammate "Wizard" because of that mate's name matching a white supremacist wizard's name, and let all his racism "not concern" you....but by all means, belabor an extraneous faux fight over Maryland's position over the Mason-Dixon line.

La-la-la-- vote Allen, don't let the racism "concern" you ---- lalala--let's fight about Maryland instead! Distract! Duck! Dodge!

Posted by: Zee | September 27, 2006 1:31 AM

It figures someone who's going to vote for a CCC lover and vile namecaller George "Macaca" Allen sees racism EVERYWHERE else but Virginia!

I'm from Virginia, too, and my multicultural extended family there aren't racists. Know how you can tell? None of them are voting for the dumb racist thug Allen. Because they ARE concerned, very concerned, about the candidate they vote for.

Posted by: Zee | September 27, 2006 1:39 AM

if we are forced to judge someone, then we must judge the tree by the fruit, i saw this video and what struck me was him pomp and brash manner in which he treated another human being, then saying something to the effect that "that's how we do it here in Virginia". now i read that this man has a confederate flag in his office and a noose...I'm sorry but if you can't see where this man stands then your naive and if you can deny it then i have to wonder about you!

Posted by: nico Alba | September 27, 2006 3:10 AM

Forget the issue of whether Mr. Allen is a racist. Why does it seem to escape everyone's notice that a man running for political office, who knows with absolute certainty that he's being filmed, chose to launch into all that 'macaca' nonsense in the middle of a public rally? Whether or not he meant 'macaca' as a racist term, doesn't the whole exchange clearly demonstrate Mr. Allen to be a person with exceptionally poor judgment? In a time when we face a myriad of challenges, both domestic and international, is Mr. Allen really the sort of person who should be charting America's course in the United States Senate?

Posted by: sneakypete | September 27, 2006 4:10 AM

Why is it that those who oppose racism and propaganda and support the exploration of new, and perhaps, radical ideas are so eloquent? Why is it those who support bigotry cannot spell or compose a coherent sentence? Does this support our argument that education in America is a joke? We do not educate fairly and many of the best leave. Mathematicians and scientists come to America to learn and then return to their homelands (I saw this in mechanical engineering classes at Stanford).
A bigot is not representative of the educated masses of America, but perhaps he or she represents very well those of us with unequal opportunities...
What do we do in a democracy? How do we shoulder the burden of biased and racist education? Should we be angry or take pity?

Posted by: Deviatoric | September 27, 2006 4:21 AM

WEBB SAYS NI99ER?
2006 (AP)-- Democratic Senate challenger Jim Webb declined to say definitively Tuesday whether he had ever used a common derogatory term to describe blacks, stepping carefully after watching his campaign rival confront charges of racism.

"I don't think that there's anyone who grew up around the South that hasn't had the word pass through their lips at one time or another in their life," Webb told reporters.
www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=2495334

Posted by: TruthOnWebb | September 27, 2006 5:22 AM

For those of you who believe the "N" word was a vile term only used by racists in the 70's, I beg to differ. You obviously did not grow up in Alabama in the '60's like I did. The word was used all the time in my community well up into the 80's. My uncle uses the term in so called "polite" conversation all the time, but he himself would say "Aw, I don't mean nuthin'by it" when called out about using the word. Yes, it is a vile word and believe me, many white people still use it in everyday conversations when speaking about darker skinned people. Once, when my car broke down at the Grocery store in the 90's, a nice young white man was helping me. As he leaned into the hood of my car to look at something he said, "I bet you're glad some "N" fallah didn't stop to help you." I told him to get out of my car, that I would rather take may chances with a black stranger than a white racist. He looked confused as I slammed my hood down.

Posted by: Meowomon | September 27, 2006 6:28 AM

"Political analyst Larry Sabato now says he personally didn't hear George Allen use racial epithets long ago. Sabato made the admission one day after telling a television interviewer that Allen 'did use the n-word.'"

Posted by: ToldYaSo | September 27, 2006 6:55 AM

No wonder your circulation rate is going down. HELLO, did you realize ROBERT BYRD A KLANSMAN USED THE NI$$#R WORD IN AND INTERVIEW 5 YEARS AGO. HELLO. I think he is a racist. True blue racist. Why haven't you printed that? Silly me, he's a liberal and he gets a pass.

Posted by: cd | September 27, 2006 7:29 AM

The mason-dixon line separates the south from the north. Maryland is south of the mason-dixon line. So Maryland is a southern state.

Posted by: DcNative | September 27, 2006 8:48 AM

I have a feeling if Allen hadn't been caught on tape saying 'macaca' he would deny it forever with only one person saying he did. Who would everyone listen too then?

Posted by: 23601 Voter | September 27, 2006 8:52 AM

Even with all the discourse about Allen being a racist, don't be surprised if he still wins his senatorial race because racism is not significantly offensive to the majority of Virginia voters.

Posted by: C Ant | September 27, 2006 9:19 AM

Sen. Allen is just another case of all boots and no kippah.

Posted by: Va. Mensch | September 27, 2006 9:21 AM

Why is Robert Byrd's name brought up whenever there is an accusation of someone being a racist? OK, Byrd is a racist. He said it, it's been reported in the paper, news, tv, everywhere. There, all you who like to bring Byrd's name into EVERY racist discussion happy?

Now, what does that have to do with Allen? He's running for Senator in VIRGINIA. Are we to justify Allen's obvious racist tendencies by saying, "Hey we already have a racist in the Senate so it's ok to have another?" That's ridiculous and quite childish. It almost sounds like a teenager trying to convince his parent that smoking crack is ok because one of the other kids at school does it and his parents don't care. Grow up and stop trying to justify bad behavior. If you like Allen, you like him. That's all that really matters. We all have to overlook things in a candidate as none of them are perfect. Decide for yourself, don't try to justify your decision with another bad example.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Let West Virginians deal with their racist. I'm going to deal with mine here in VA by not voting for him and spreading the word.

Posted by: sick&tired of Byrd | September 27, 2006 9:32 AM

We lived in Germany when George Allen was Governor and had little knowledge of him until he came to Munich and toured the German high-tech facility where my husband was working. My husband came home talking about what a "buffoon" Allen was. Apparently his "no rocket scientist" persona was showing and everyone was snickering behind their hands. In the years since, he hasn't done anything to change that original impression, only confirm it.

Allen is an excellent example of the all-hat-and-no-cattle-cowboy-redneck Republican that came to power in the wake of the Republicans' southern strategy (another quintessential cowpoke: George Bush).

I saw Allen on TV the other day talking about the "little ol' noose" in his office, which was simply part of his western-theme decor. He mentioned about how he had "buckarood" in Montana or something. Puh-lease. He's entitled to his adolescent cowboy fantasies, but why would I want such a dunce to represent me in the U.S. Senate?

Posted by: Northern Virginia | September 27, 2006 9:40 AM

Someone asked why the Jewish heritage is important in this campaign. Well, normally it wouldn't. Besides the fact the macacca comment can possibly be traced through his mother's French background, those on this blog have indicated that Allen has been linked to a white supremist group, so it matters big time. Me being a person who is not 'pure' white, I don't know all of what these groups believe. But to these hate groups, having Jewish blood as close as 1 generation is probably not a good thing, even though by Jewish law, Allen is not considered Jewish. This may cause the supremists in VA to not vote for him because he is not 'pure'. I'm sure that concerns Allen.

Posted by: RT | September 27, 2006 9:42 AM

I do beleive that ni**er was commonly used in the Seventies. I grew up in rural Minnesota nextdoor to a transplanted Virginian. He used it all the time and there wasn't a black person within 20 miles of us. This being the case why didn't Allan just fess up. Say he was young, dumb and everybody was doing it?

Posted by: Henk | September 27, 2006 9:50 AM

RT:

Actually, Allen would be considered to be Jewish according to the law because his mother is Jewish.

No one mentions the book Allen's sister wrote, parts of which detail his abusive and bullying behavior. According to her, everyone in their family was afraid of him and he took full advantage of it. It seems to me that George Allen has some real insecurity issues. I tell you this, Allen probably moved to Virginia where "blacks know their place" because in California he would have gotten his ass kicked. He knew that blacks in Virginia were a more genteel bunch and not likely bother with putting HIM in HIS place. California wasn't a place where Allen could have become what he is today. Virginia was the one state where he could get away with this kind of nonsense and obviously he did and for way too long. So long, in fact, that his overconfidence has caught up with him.

Anyone that votes for this man in any upcoming elections really should have his brain checked.

I don't think it's over. We will continue to see more people come forward. This isn't the kind of person we want in office, certainly not anyone I would choose to associate with. What talents does this man have besides the ability to lie?

Posted by: Stu | September 27, 2006 10:03 AM

I saw an interview with Mr.Sidarth shortly after the macaca incident, and he stated that PRIOR to the incident, he had introduced himself to George Allen, so it sems to me that Allen chose to use that term to belittle and bully someone he KNEW was a fellow Virginian and American. As someone who was born and raised in a small, segregated, southwestern Va. community, educated at George Mason U. in northern Va, and served in the US Navy for 22yrs, I find Mr. Allen's behavior offensive. Racism and bigotry are more indicative of moral bankruptcy than one's place of residence, and, as such, SHOULD be of upmost concern to voters. I know I certainly wouldn't be voting for Mr. Allen if I were still living in Va., and I know my Va. relatives won't be voting for him, either.

Posted by: DGIBBY | September 27, 2006 11:28 AM

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/09/27/allen_deerhead/

Another ex-teammate of Allen's corroborates the deer head story -- he was the roomie of the now-deceased member on that infamous hunting trip.

Posted by: jdh | September 27, 2006 1:48 PM

I don't think we need the privileged, pompous, and pasty white Mark Fisher lecturing about how racism is a distraction, not a substantive issue, and merely an irrelevant question of character. Fisher, as always, basks in the ignorance and cluelessness that his own privilege affords him.

Posted by: Steve | September 27, 2006 1:50 PM

The reason George Allen got all bent out of shape when the reporter asked about his Jewish ancestry is because he has already tallied up his 'skeletons' and fears being Jewish will not be an asset to a presidential bid. His angry defensive response to this public disclosure which he allowed the crowd to incite demonstrated his selfishness, his consideration of Jews, his cowardice, and once again, his lack of self-control. Who needs to know what he may have said or done 30 years ago?

Posted by: Town Green | September 27, 2006 2:01 PM

As a student a Palos Verdes High School at the time Allen was there I witnessed his pranks first hand. Over the years I have contacted papers in Virgina & was either ignored or told I was stupid. I am glad that all of this is now being taken seriously.

BTW, your take on this really sucks, Allen isn't a good guy, it's as bad as it looks, nobody is out to get him, he is and always has make himself look bad.

Posted by: John K | September 27, 2006 2:15 PM

JohnK:

You are the second person who has pointed out racist behavior by George Allen as a high school student. The other is HPM above. I hope you are both thinking about contacting the press.

It's a bit of a stretch to hold a 52-year-old man accountable for things he did in high school, but when he denies them and when they are of a piece with his current actions, it seems warranted.

Posted by: Bob | September 27, 2006 3:25 PM

I can't believe anyone would find George Allen "likeable."

His bigotted history is well known, even without the latest evidence of it.

Posted by: Lily | September 27, 2006 5:10 PM

I'm really not sure what to think of all this to be honest.

On the one hand - if he really is a racist, then I have no sympathy for him at all.

On the other hand, even though I'm a democrat myself - I worry about the kind of precedent that has been set, and indeed is currently being set.

What I mean to say is this: In this day and age I am starting to fear we're getting paranoid; vigilance is good. Racism has no place in our society. But it doesn't do any good to jump on people (which all these individuals comming out of the woodwork now seem to be doing) when the only evidence is circumstantial.

I will admit... I have suspicions that Allen is, in fact, quite guilty - the flag, noose, and other similar things all make me very suspicious... but I worry at the 'feeding frenzy' manner things are being carried out.

All this despite that its technically beneficial for my own side.

I suppose we'll have to wait and see, but this is one of the reasons I worry for our country - its very VERY easy to have your political career 'killed', regardless of innocence or guilt, its all about perception and if people THINK you are guilty - proof or otherwise - your career is dead.

Posted by: mistformsquirrel | September 27, 2006 8:51 PM

I just want to point out that the evidence is Virginia has elected TWO African American Governors, Doug Wilder and George Allen.

Posted by: Simple Correction | September 27, 2006 8:57 PM

Virginia needs leadership like George Macacca Felix Allen to help lead the charge to legislate bigotry and discrimination in Virginia. Without such leadership, Virginia could wind up with homosexuals with equal rights, living wages for it's workers, transportation solutions that make sense and affordable housing programs.
Carry me back to ol Virginny

Posted by: Jar Jar Bush | September 28, 2006 6:55 AM

"Would George Allen be considered an African-American Jew?"

Thanks for the laugh! I wish Sammy Davis, Jr. were alive.

Posted by: J. Marra | September 28, 2006 8:25 AM

The fact this vile clown of a man has any support whatsoever witin the state's elctorate makes me think "Virginia is for Racists" would be a more appropriate way to market the area to tourists.

Posted by: redglare | September 28, 2006 8:32 AM

The reporter in the debate who brought up the "Jewish issue" is the real bigot. What difference does it make? It doesn't. Only to extreme right-wingers and far-left bigots does something like that matter. Witness how the far-leftists have attacked Joe Lieberman using anti-Jewish slurs. David Duke would be proud. The rest of us don't care--we look at people as individuals.

Sabato is now admitting he never heard Allen use the "N" word. He should come clean and tell the truth about what he knows or doesn't know.

If you want a politician who uses the "N" word, look no further than Senator Robert C. Byrd of West Virginia. The former Klansman used it on national television and got a pass. That's sick.

Posted by: Reason | September 28, 2006 10:14 AM

That a rebel jollifier like Allen has been revealed for what anybody with half a brain already knew may be crucial to some Virginia voters, but its real value is proving this---Bush is not the only Republican dummy.
The Congress is full of serious contenders with Allen suddenly become preeminent.

Posted by: Thomas Crown | September 28, 2006 10:19 AM

our local paper had an article about allen in yesterday's paper.
two things made me sick. one of allen's roommates stated that even back then he usied chewing tobacco. he would spit on the floor and walls of the dorm cause he knew that a black janitor would have to clean it up.
what kind of person would do something so base.
and you would defend someone like this?
jesus.

Posted by: linda b | September 28, 2006 10:24 AM

and another part of the article said that when allen was refuting the charge that he used the 'n' word, he was at a rally with some black pastors.
how quaint.
but you know what the rally was for?
the black pastors and allen had a rally to vote for the new va ammendment that would not allow gays to marry in va. a law already on the books.
so let me see, you have blacks, still persecuted, wanting to take rights away form another group of people.
with allen leading the way.
does this say anything to you?

Posted by: linda b | September 28, 2006 10:28 AM

No noose is good noose.

Posted by: zircon | September 28, 2006 10:37 AM

The Bush-Allen devotees can insult common sense until the cows come home, but Virginia is about to elect a new United States senator.

Not since Kilpatrick's racist harmonics in the News-Leader in the 50s and 60s has Virginia's ante-bellum memories been more of a contemporaneous burden than with Allen's stuttering, fluctuating and unpersuasive admissions.

Impending doom is in the air.

Posted by: The Umbrella of Cherbourg | September 28, 2006 10:51 AM

I knew George Allen in the late 70's -- early 80's. He was a racist. He regularly used the N- word and lots of filthy racial epithets when referring to other ethnic groups. He made jokes about lynching black people. He has called the Anacostia Freeway the "ring around the Congo". He used to attend illegal cockfights in Albemarle County with the other good ole boys. Why do so many people not want to "come out"? As one of my friends said, the long arm of the GOP will stop at nothing to win elections. It is truly a sad day when free and honest speech is constrained by fear of retribution, but in this increasingly fascist atmosphere-- it is expected. George Allen is pro- torture; he is supportive of the odious legislation that is being "debated" right now. He chose to ally himself with the CCC and the hate mongers-- we are talking about a politician who has made a career out of using others to get ahead. He has lied about who he is repeatedly. His statement the other day that was printed and played widely:

"I don't remember ever using that word and it is absolutely false that that was ever part of my vocabulary."

is a LIE people. It was a very big part of his vocabulary and persona. He is a racist to the core and those people don't change...

Perhaps some intrepid reporter can check with the Virginia Rugby Club members from the 70's and talk to them. There are many factual stories out there and you know what they say about rugby players...they are pretty fearless.

George Allen does not deserve to serve in our government.

Posted by: anon | September 28, 2006 11:14 AM

Regarding the n word and it's use at universities in the 70s - I attended a university in NY and one in CA in the 70s. Use of the n word was rare on campus.

What kind of people are we electing to represent us? A noose and confederate flag in your public office? This is ridiculous. How can anyone defend such behavior of a public servant?

Posted by: grendel | September 28, 2006 11:29 AM

It is unfortunate the campaign has come down to this. Yes, it is terrible, if true, that Mr. Allen has said these things a long time ago. However, we republicans have no one to blame but ourselves. In the 2004 election we had the "Swift Boat Vets for Truth." Did anyone think that turn about wouldn't be fair play for democrats? The press, like now, let them make all types of claims without making them prove it. We sowed the wind and are now reaping the whirlwind. I am supporting Webb because I don't think Allen has the ability. We already have one pretend cowboy in office...we don't need another.

Posted by: Repub | September 28, 2006 3:19 PM

Full disclosure up front: I'm a liberal Democrat. When I lived in Virginia, I was an active member of my local Democratic committee. And I wish I were back there to vote against George Felix Allen again as I did when he ran for Governor and Senator.
This has nothing to do with George Felix's racism. I don't know him, and I can't make a judgment based on what I've seen in his campaigns (nor his Senate performance, which has not attracted much attention because there hasn't been much of it.) It's not about whether he's Jewish or not; a friend of mine assures me that under rabbinical law, George Felix is a Jew if he chooses to be, but he's much more closely affiliated with the Presbyterian church these days.
But George Felix isn't intelligent enough to serve in the Senate or in any elected office. With a tracker's video camera pointed at him, he called the tracker a name that sounded pretty stupid, then turned out to have racist connotations. And then George Felix wouldn't let his apologies end. They went on for days, keeping alive a story that wouldn't have done him much harm if he had let it die.
Then he gets asked whether his mother was raised Jewish. Even in context, it seemed like a strange question. George Felix's response was a bit bristly, but it probably wouldn't have done him any harm. But that was not to be. George Felix announced that his mother was, in fact, Jewish, even though the story didn't seem particularly plausible. And even that wasn't enough for George Felix. The next day, he had to tell a reporter that he had eaten a ham sandwich and he still liked pork. He kept it alive again.
Cowboy George Felix Allen, running for Senate and presumably still hoping that somehow he can salvage this mess and run for President someday, keeps shooting himself in the foot. He takes incidents that might actually be trivial and fans them until they ignite and really burn him.
I only wonder what he'll do next.

Posted by: out of state | September 28, 2006 3:42 PM

Personally, I think it is more important what a man does that what he says. Supposing George Allen IS a closet racist -- what legislation has he helped enact that embodies that racism?

He has a public record. The evidence of racism that matters lies in that record. I personally couldn't give two hoots what he said before he was an elected official -- and I personally suspect that there IS fire with all this smoke. (Which is sad, because there is absolutely no evidence that his dad was anything but fair-minded, as virtually all of his black players would attest.)

If we keep going down this road, we will end up with people who never say anything offensive, even as they heighten the walls impeding equal opportunity in our society and sell working class jobs overseas as the handmaidens of the corporations (can you say Ben Cardin?).

Posted by: Reuben | September 28, 2006 6:25 PM

Let's review the case of George Allen vs. Common Decency, starting with what we know.

1) His sister reports he was a violent bully as a kid. Let's not fully count that because he was just a kid and most people improve as they grow up.

2) While a teenager in Southern California - not usually considered part of the South -- he adopts the Confederate Battle Flag as his personal emblem, wearing it for his yearbook photo, putting it on his car and generally playing the redneck. This at a time when that flag was well understood to symbolize opposition to civil rights. OK, so we'll discount this some again because he was a teenager and they do stupid things to annoy people, etc. (Thank you for forgiving me my Sid Vicious T-shirt)

3) Moves to VA, plays football for UVA, strongly supports the Vietnam War but, gosh dang, that student deferment gets in the way of him serving, even in the Air National Guard. But I digress

4) Someplace along the way, morphs from Johnny Reb to cowboy persona. Oddly, VA not well known for its cowboys. Could it be that cowboys are a less alarming and more ambiguous way to play the rural redneck card for the bubbas?

5) As a young lawyer, he keeps a noose in his office. Oh and he continues to collect and display the Battle Flag until fairly recently. Getting a little old for the young rebel thing though.

6) Becomes Governor of VA. Opposes the MLK holiday. Hangs with the Council of Conservative Citizen - a hate group. Declares April Confederate History and Heritage month without mentioning the "peculiar institution." Speaks of knocking the teeth down the throats of his political opponents.

7) While running for reelection to the Senate singles out the one dark face in a crowd and calls him "macaca" - apparently an ethnic slur in French. Also mockingly welcomes him to the "real Virginia" to the approval of the crowd. After much to and fro eventually says he just made "macaca" up. So, what's more believable, a grown man making up nonsense names, or that maybe he might have learned the word from his French mother? Assuming he just made it up, what kind of man calls people names? And welcoming him to the "real Virginia," what is that supposed to mean? We all know what it means. It means, "You look different and you're probably not even American and much less a Virginian so I can treat you disrespectfully." Turns out Mr. Sidarth is Virginia native, which Allen isn't.

8) Next, he seems a mite tetchy when a reporter reveals his Jewish heritage on his Mom's side. At one level, he's right that its not relevant, but his annoyance and reticence about it seems odd. Could he be worrying that the bubbas might not vote for a bubbeleh? Kinky Friedman will find out.

Now he's been accused of regularly using the N-word in the past. Oh, and dumping a deer head on a black family's mailbox. Could it be a Swift Boating? Maybe, but it sure is consistent with the pattern just laid out. It's not even slightly surprising.

Whether the most recent charges are true or not, its pretty clear that Sen. Allen is a mean-spirited a**hole and bully, and probably a racist thrown into the bargain. So much fun to pick on those different than you, particularly if they are less powerful. He's another GOP politician who has played footsie with the racist vote over the years, only now that's become less acceptable and harder to hide. The macaca story just ripped the veil off.

Allen figured he could ride his folksy cowboy act into the White House by hitting the same political market space as W. What he failed to notice is that after the last two years neither party is much interested in callow ignorant fratboys anymore. White House prospects for Allen now = zero.

If he's reelected to the Senate you can count on one thing. Whenever he gets the chance to put his cowboy boots into the weaker and less advantaged in our society, he will. Not because it's necessary, as conservatives usually argue. No, Allen will do it because he thinks its fun.

Posted by: Old Town | September 28, 2006 10:06 PM

"If the democrats were ever denied the race card they would never win another election."

Kettle meet pot!

Posted by: TomPaine | September 29, 2006 12:42 AM

So I was thinking about Senator Macaca Allen and his problem with race and his embrace of all things Confederate.

He has 3 kids--Forrest, Tyler and Brooke and had a dog named Calhoun while at UVA.

So what?

Here's the thing:

Forrest: Nathan Bedford Forrest was a Confederate general and Klan founder. The first Grand Wizard.

Tyler: Robert Charles Tyler was the last Confederate general slain in battle.

Brooke: John M. Brooke was Confederate commander of ordinance and a munitions specialist in Richmond. He defected from the Union Army to join the Confederacy.

Calhoun: Calhoun led the pro-slavery faction in the Senate in the 1830s and 1840s, opposing both abolitionism and attempts to limit the expansion of slavery into the western territories. He was also a major advocate of the Fugitive Slave Law, which enforced the co-operation of Free States in returning escaping slaves.

(snip)

Calhoun couched his defense of the institution of slavery in terms of (white male) Southerners' liberty and self-determination. And whereas other Southern politicians had excused slavery as a necessary evil, in a famous February 1837 speech on the senate floor, Calhoun went further, asserting that slavery was a "positive good." He rooted this claim on two grounds--white supremacy and paternalism.

hmmmmm. A mere coincidence?

Posted by: dangh | September 29, 2006 9:57 AM

Dangh: "Senator Macaca Allen and his problem with race and his embrace of all things Confederate.

He has 3 kids--Forrest, Tyler and Brooke and had a dog named Calhoun while at UVA."

Very interesting, Dangh. Senator Allen is a not very "in the closet" Confederate sympathizer. He thinks he's so smart nobody will notice that he has fully embraced all things Confederate, while fashioning himself as a moderate.

Maybe Senator Allen is not as dumb as some think he is. But, he is certainly not as clever as he thinks.

Posted by: DcNative | September 29, 2006 11:57 AM

Playing the race card? Is that what you call exposing a solid, consistent and unwavering pattern of racist behavior? If so many Republicans didn't have the "deck" so stacked against them when it comes to questionable or dubious behavior toward other ethnic groups, no "race card" could be played.

Thanks for the history lesson, Dangh. Thanks for a succinct response, TomPaine.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 29, 2006 12:52 PM

ALLEN EXPOSURE LOOSENING STRANGLEHOLD

RICHMOND - The American people recoil eventually and inexorably against three
things. Being lied to, being deceived and being manipulated. The latest casualty
of all three is George Allen, the "newly-discovered" Tunisian Jew who, classically,
denounced the "messenger" who exposed his "roots," then professed that being a Jew
was simply a "religion" and, then, embraced and praised his bloodline, which has
evoked backlash against corruption, profiteering, inhumanity and, even, treason,
everywhere around the globe, throughout history. Most-offensive has been that
the Jews are "international," owing a genetically-dictated allegiance to their own
kind, respecting no borders, interests or wealth, other than their own. Since they
have always been outnumbered in their "host" countries, they have engaged in
pretenses to gormandize commerce, monopolize politics and infiltrate religion, so
that they, alone, survived and prospered. Leading to their downfall has been that
they were either ferreted out or went to such excesses as to overplay their hands.

Allen had followed the not-uncommon ploy of joining a church, becoming a "palace
guard" and professing veneration for hallowed trophies, such as the Confederate flag.
Madeleine Albright, likewise, had expressed "surprise," when she was exposed as
a Jewess, insisting that she was a "Christian," as had her counterpart, Henry Kissinger.
Feigning to be Anglo-Saxon had enabled Allen-types to wrest power away from the
descendants of the Pilgrims, pioneers and patriots with a certain aplomb. Although
billing himself as a "conservative," Allen was a strident proponent of the Paul-Wolfowitz
line that Americans must invade Iraq and Afghanistan in order to "protect" Israel, no
matter what the cost, in lives or resources. The "All-for-Israel" stance endeared
Allen to the Israeli Lobby, whose coffers, filled from profiteering and interest-gouging,
funded his political-ambitions. Benjamin Franklin had urged that Jews be banned
from America, entirely, and U.S. Grant had barred Jews from interacting with his
troops. Woodrow Wilson broke the taboo, by naming transparent Jews to office.

Initially, their great wealth, amassed by "sharp" business-practices, in concert with
their kinsmen, arriving upon being expelled from Russia and Germany, enabled Allen's
ancestors to "purchase" various offices. In return for a seat on the Supreme Court or
in Congress, they would promise to "deliver" the immigrant and minority vote, which
they and meticulously cleverly organized, to a particular political party. The party
did not matter. When Harry Truman elevated them, they were Democrats. When
Ronald Reagan installed them, they were Republicans. When neither party bowed
to their demands, they were anarchists and Communists. They often would ensconce
themselves on "both sides," such as, when the Rosenbergs were on trial as spies,
Irving Kaufman was sitting on the bench. It had reached the point that Presidential
aspirants, in order to gain financing, "sold-their-souls" increasingly to the Allen-genre.
George W. Bush, although placed in office by the "conservative" "Heartland," named
more Jews, minorities and aliens to high positions than any of his predecessors.

Allen-types have sometimes used tactics to "twist" programs and policies, which
they could not scuttle, outright. Barry Goldwater claimed "leadership" of the
"conservatives," seeking to "conserve" the political-landscape, prior to the so-called
Civil Rights Bill. Although wooing Southern segregationists, Goldwater later admitted
that he had planned to promote integration, had he deceptively gained the White
House. Joseph McCarthy had made significant gains in ousting Communist Jews from
government and industry, until he relied upon his "assistant," Roy Cohn, who goaded
him into intemperate excesses. However, neither being cunning nor having a vast
labyrinth of "underground" support has guaranteed Allen-kinsmen a perpetual stranglehold
upon the nation. Douglas Ginsberg, Abe Fortas, Marc Rich and Monica Lewinsky were
toppled, despite their "high-connections." The Truman diaries, Nixon tapes and,
even, Billy Graham memoirs reveal the longing to oust those who Jesus denominated
as "sons of the devil." Allen being the latest, whose grasped is loosed.

http://www.nationalist.org/news/flashes/2006/093001.html
© 2006 The Nationalist Movement

Posted by: Attenuated | September 30, 2006 2:25 PM

This is classic. A newspaper column asking why newspapers write so many articles on George Allen's gaffes. Next we'll have newspaper "analysis" features on why newspaper columnists write so many pieces on why newspapers write so many articles about George Allen's gaffes.

Here's an idea: Stop writing about it!

It's Jr. High gossip all over again. And we the readers keep reading it. Pathetic.

Posted by: Charlotte | October 2, 2006 3:24 AM

To "ANON" from the Sept.28 11:14 AM posting above:
I played for the UVA Rugby Club in the 70's and while rugby players may or may not be fearless, you do not seem to be, signing your piece as "ANON".

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I do not care how many lies the left uses
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