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Live from the Mall: Why Huge Crowds Didn't Show Up

Perhaps in anticipation of a lighter than expected turnout, the ANSWER Coalition, the main organizer of the demonstration, issued a treatise early this summer suggesting that the anti-war movement has failed to stimulate a massive outpouring of people because of its own splintered message and tactics.

"Although the antiwar sentiment is growing among the general population," the ANSWER document says, "the size and intensity of the demonstrations, protests and acts of resistance does not at all measure up to the vast magnitude of feelings against the Iraq war among the general population. The single biggest reason for this dichotomy is the fact that the anti-war movement is badly splintered rather than working together or in a united fashion so as to marshal, stimulate and mobilize a truly massive outpouring of the people."

ANSWER organizers in May said that "it should be easily possible to mobilize one million people" at a demonstration in Washington this fall. "Whatever differences that exist between groups, and there are many and they are important, are not sufficient justification for preventing us from coming together in a show of force that will change the direction of this country," the ANSWER statement said.

But is it political splintering among opponents of the war that prevented that target from being met? Or is it that many Americans don't see an easy way out of the fix in Iraq? Like many of the politicians the demonstrators tend to dismiss as spineless, many Americans are caught between their desire to get U.S. troops out of a war that seems at best stalemated and at worst a lost cause, and their sense that a precipitous departure would lead to greater bloodshed and the flourishing of dangers that might not have existed had we not gone into Iraq in the first place.

And then there is the question of tactics. Check out the sites of the groups that belong to the coalition known as Americans Against Escalation in Iraq, which includes moveon.org, unions, student groups, and various other left of center organizations: I couldn't find any mention of today's demonstrations at any of these groups' sites. Even as they tout all manner of other ways in which to register protest and seek change in U.S. policy, they found no cause to enlist in the street action we saw today.

That might be a result of internecine battles on the anti-war side, or it might be because some groups on that side of the debate no longer see demonstrations in the streets as an effective or persuasive means of changing minds or creating change.

More on that coming in tomorrow's column....

By Marc Fisher |  September 15, 2007; 4:00 PM ET
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"Americans Against Escalation in Iraq is a major, multi- million dollar national campaign to oppose the President's proposal to escalate the war in Iraq by sending more than 20,000 additional troops into the violent civil war between Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias."

So...how's that working out?

Posted by: Alan in SF | September 15, 2007 4:05 PM

Hold an impeachment rally and you'd get bigger numbers. The war is just one piece of the colossal failure of this administration. Even war supporters want them out because they've so botched up the operation.

Posted by: Rich Pliskin | September 15, 2007 4:25 PM

I think the disconnect is between Washington and the American People, I have been strongly against this war from the beginning and attended many demonstrations, but The White House and Congress simply ignores them as if they never took place. When government doesn't respond to or even acknowledge the voice of the people, then we begin to question the validity of the democratic process, and that is reflected in turn out for demonstrations as well as voter turn out at election time.

Posted by: Rob Fenwick | September 15, 2007 4:37 PM

again mark has his facts WRONG. there were hundreds more protests happening today, scores around washington dc. furthermore, unlike the vietnam war, these protests hare happening on a constant basis rather than one every year or so. so mark, get your hawkish facts straight and stop stretching the truth.

Posted by: james resinquist | September 15, 2007 4:39 PM

6800? that is less than the Surge.


Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2007 4:42 PM

you really are an administration mouthpiece, aren't you?

Shut up already.

Posted by: geez | September 15, 2007 4:42 PM

MeThinks that the anti-war folks spend too much time posting on message boards than fighting the fight.
Fact is, ANSWER is a turn-off to many people who are against the war, but don't want to be involved with a bunch of self-proclaimed pseudo-radicals, which bring every left-wing cause to their rallies.
Second, most Americans really don't care...we have a professional Army, so everybody who is in Iraq has volunteered to be there. The only reason there was a huge anti-war movement in Vietnam was because of the draft.

Posted by: MarkyMark | September 15, 2007 4:47 PM

ANSWER has to be a little insightful and look at themselves.

While I appreciate their organizational skills and their passion, they have too many issues combined with their demonstrations. Everyone needs a platform I guess but I am not willing to split energy for the rights of others throughout the world. We need to consentrate on America first.

I wish them luck though.

Posted by: Maddie In Florida | September 15, 2007 4:47 PM

"you really are an administration mouthpiece, aren't you?

Shut up already."

So much for progressive democracy and free speech...

Posted by: CW | September 15, 2007 4:50 PM

I marched on the Pentagon to call for an end to the War AND the impeachment of Bush & Co.this spring and couldn't come today. I wanted to participate but couldn't make the long journey again... Dedicated Americans in the ten's of thousands are voicing their opinion;IMPEACH THE BUSH/CHENEY CRIMINALS FOR CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY AND TOTAL ABUSE OF POWER!

Posted by: shawn morton | September 15, 2007 4:52 PM

I am adamantly anti-war and yet I did not know about these demonstrations until today when they were already underway.

If you would report the plans for such demonstrations more prominently on your website BEFORE they occur then maybe then they would be attended by numbers more representative of the widespread and overwhelming opposition to this war.

We can't attend what we don't know is happening. For me it takes at least a day or so advance notice -- I live in Orlando.

Posted by: Woody Smith | September 15, 2007 4:55 PM

Protests don't work.
Bush only listens to his corporate masters. If they were getting poor instead of rich, we'd have been out of Iraq ages ago.

Posted by: laurenm | September 15, 2007 4:56 PM

Perhaps it's time for a nation-wide strike. Since $$ amd votes are the only things Republican and Democratic leaders respect, maybe a one-day GDP loss will get their attention?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2007 5:13 PM

Has anyone considered the "polls" are not a very accurate measure of how people really feel about the war, and that there is a silent majority out there that , while maybe no openly support it, still back the troops being there? Many people I know still believe in us being there, and it's not Billy Bob or Cooter, its "Eric" and "Shanda", CPA's. I think the anti-war people are too wrapped up in their own polls and don't have a real grasp of the feelings of the whole population. So when they get disappointed in the Dem Congress not doing anything, its because the popular support is not there, and the Dems know that. There are a bunch of loud anti-war people getting news coverage (MoveOn), but there is no ground swell.

Posted by: Scott G | September 15, 2007 5:17 PM


No sane American would participate in any of ANSWER's nonsense for one thing. And a Die In? Oh, how 70's. Protesters are generally people with extreme self loathing and hatred who generally look for others to blame for their failures.

The protesters are irksome irritants who do far more damage to those positions they advocate than good

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2007 5:23 PM

The protesters are irksome irritants who do far more damage to those positions they advocate than good


QFT.

If Cindy Sheehan is going to shut down the city Is she going to pay my electric bill or rent? I need to go to work cindy, just like you need to go back to conneticut and lose another kid to buy another 15 minutes of fame.

Posted by: Q-bert | September 15, 2007 5:35 PM

Having just returned from the anti-war rally, I stood at the intersection of 15th & Pennsylvania, which was the start of the march, for at least 30 minutes until the whole march passed by before joining. While there weren't 1 million people there, I was impressed by how many people did show up.

Posted by: Paul | September 15, 2007 5:42 PM

So while the anti war sentiment is growing in the population as a whole, they don't want to come out and protest. Well, how do you know that the former is true if they won't show their faces?

Posted by: Cindy Sheezit | September 15, 2007 5:45 PM


Pretty pathetic turn out. I think the public supports Bush more than ANSWERERER.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2007 5:46 PM


4 More years of Bush!!! I support 4 more years!!! Change the constitution!!!

Posted by: Smo | September 15, 2007 5:47 PM

the writer: Q-Bert who suggested she go back to Connecticut and lose another kid for another 15 minutes of fame, should not be permitted to have his comment printed as it is most inappropriate no matter what your opinions. What an ugly comment and person.

Posted by: Pearl Volkov | September 15, 2007 5:48 PM


How could a nationwide strike $$ work when anti war types live in their mom's basement or work for a non profit hippie organization. BWWWWWWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! ROTFLMAO

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2007 5:49 PM

We had similar demonstratons against an earlier existential struggle - the Civil War. The same type of people were using the same arguments in their attempt to sabotage the war for the preservation of the Union and the Constitution and to ensure the survival of the Confederacy and the perpepuation of slavery - anti-war Democrats. These people exoriated Lincoln as badly as Bush is pilloried today. Unlike Bush, Lincoln, in order to save the Union and the Constitution, suspended habeas corpus and arrested thousands of openly disloyal anti-war Democrats. Had Hitler been able to convince people he was a real socialist, these same people would have wrecked the war effort against him. They also did not have the stomach for the existential struggle against Soviet totalitarianism and sabotaged the war in Vietnam. So this is not the first time this party has embraced disloyalty to the delight of tyrants. Hell will be upon us if these people have their way and inflict a catastrophic strategic defeat on us by abandoning Iraq. Bin Ladin has repeatedly declared Iraq to be the central front in the war on Western Civilization. Are these demonstraters selectively deaf? Should this country heap eternal disgrace upon itself, bin Ladin's shout of triumph will shatter even the glass houses these demonstrators live in.

Posted by: Peter G. Tsouras | September 15, 2007 5:50 PM


The antiwar march= FAILURE. America wins.

Posted by: Smo | September 15, 2007 5:50 PM

I liked MarkyMarks comment so much, I'm going to plagiarize it and re-post it as my own.

"Fact is, ANSWER is a turn-off to many people who are against the war, but don't want to be involved with a bunch of self-proclaimed pseudo-radicals, which bring every left-wing cause to their rallies."

Posted by: jcs | September 15, 2007 5:55 PM

If Americans had the guts to strike like the French, bringing profits to a halt until our government responds to its citizens affirmatively, we'd stand a chance. These people need to be hurt in the only place they have feelings, in their wallets. Unfortunately, anything less is not going to be effective.

Posted by: trippin | September 15, 2007 5:57 PM

Hey Wingnuts and Dem Apologists! You deserve each other.

At least Answer and UFPJ, the two major anti war coalitions , are standing up while ya'll are laying down...

Cindy Sheehan, Gold Star, Medea Benjamin, Code Pink, Rev. Yearwood and the Hip Hop Caucus, Deborah Sweet, and World Can't Wait among many others---Bravo!

Posted by: BHHM | September 15, 2007 6:02 PM

I am very against the war. Did I go to the rally? Absolutely not. I am against the war and would love to protest the war in Iraq. However, at these rallies it's never just anti-war in Iraq. It's anti Israeli occupation (and sometimes just anti-Israel), anti US in Puerto Rico, anti, anti , anti. I can't get on board with ANSWER and will not go to any of their protests.

Also, I feel like a lot of the ANSWER folk go with the express purpose of picking fights with the police so they can wear their arrest like a badge of honor.

Posted by: R. | September 15, 2007 6:04 PM

Ever really look at who/what comprises ANSWER? Lots of long-frustrated Marxists, that's who. Not exactly the type of organization that could mobilize "1 million" Americans to march on behalf of any of its goals. Anti-war folks would be better served under a different umbrella organization.

Posted by: SGH | September 15, 2007 6:09 PM

Hey Marc, when you get paid is that through WaPo payroll or right out of the missing loot over at the DOD???

Posted by: BHHM | September 15, 2007 6:12 PM

Bush's illegal war for oil in Iraq only continues because of the jingoistic flag-waving of the corporate controlled media. Bush Lies and People Dies.

If you look at various Internet chat board and see the number of really cool leftists promoting their hate and intolerance of Amerika and the Bush regime, one would assume that we are the majority. Either that or many of us don't have jobs.

Whatever the reason, as long as we keep up with our really cool postings to let the world know the truth, I would have to assume that we will, in fact, stop the illegal war in Iraq, have Rummy and Bush and Cheney arrested as war criminals, force Halliburton to give all of their illegal war profits to the Free Mumia Abu-Jamal fund, and overturn the marijuana laws in the U.S.

These are the things the angry left is fighting for. And it is through our use of Internet chat boards and the constant posting of Bush Lies and People Dies that we can make this all happen. Peace. - Scott Laughrey

Posted by: Scott Laughrey | September 15, 2007 6:19 PM

the writer: Q-Bert who suggested she go back to Connecticut and lose another kid for another 15 minutes of fame, should not be permitted to have his comment printed as it is most inappropriate no matter what your opinions. What an ugly comment and person.

I find her using the death of her son as a political catapult far more repugnant than your ditaste for my comments. She reduces her own son from a self sacrificing hero to a stepping stone.

Sorry you're so closed minded.

Posted by: Q-bert | September 15, 2007 6:24 PM

Today the tide went out, so that's why America is ran for the hills.
Fisher and those gun-toting thugs still on the Beach think they can can survive the giant wave of withdrawal and defeat that's going to pounce. HA! They don't have a prayer.

Posted by: JRC | September 15, 2007 6:25 PM

The turnout was low because most Americans now acknowledge the fact that our elected officials do not listen or vote for us anymore. Wait until the elections my friends.

Posted by: Mike R | September 15, 2007 6:29 PM

Ever really look at who/what comprises ANSWER? Lots of long-frustrated Marxists, that's who. Not exactly the type of organization that could mobilize "1 million" Americans to march on behalf of any of its goals. Anti-war folks would be better served under a different umbrella organization.

"Fact is, ANSWER is a turn-off to many people who are against the war, but don't want to be involved with a bunch of self-proclaimed pseudo-radicals, which bring every left-wing cause to their rallies."


I think the anti-war people are too wrapped up in their own polls and don't have a real grasp of the feelings of the whole population. So when they get disappointed in the Dem Congress not doing anything, its because the popular support is not there, and the Dems know that. There are a bunch of loud anti-war people getting news coverage (MoveOn), but there is no ground swell.

Posted by: Greatest hits | September 15, 2007 6:32 PM

Progressives like Noam Chomsky have been telling us about the American military war machine for years. What is really cool about Noam Chomsky is that he questions authority and doesn't want to accept the propaganda about what really happened on 9/11. The Bush illegal war in Iraq was only possible if the people believed that 9/11 was the result of 19 hijackers and jet airplanes.

There are many really cool progressive Web sites that prove it was more than likely squib charges that brought down the WTC, and the use of holograms convinced many (but not us really cool progressives) that it was jet airplanes being flown into the building.

Noam Chomsky and Michael Moore won't accept that propaganda, and other really cool progressives like me and Sean Penn and Randi Rhodes are all onto the lies of the Bush regime.

Thank goodness there is the Internet, that allows for those on the left to bypass the corporate controlled media to find the truth. -Scott Laughrey

Posted by: Scott Laughrey | September 15, 2007 6:38 PM

Of course it was a fizzle. Americans are tired of the anti-war rally because the purpose of the war is just. Get over it anti-war zealots and support our troops like REAL Americans!

Posted by: Hail our Troops | September 15, 2007 6:47 PM

As long as it is enlistees making the fool's errand decision to join up, then them joining and dying is of less concern to non-supporters. Start a draft and protesters would burn the White House to the ground the same weekend. The enlistee army (not volunteer as volunteers work at no cost,) helps us get rid of warmongers - they get killed!

Posted by: Blurbster | September 15, 2007 6:49 PM

clark probably wrote moveon's ad.

Posted by: gary | September 15, 2007 6:54 PM

If 2 million people had turned out in the streets of DC, it wouldn't have mattered, because Bush doesn't care about public opinion anyway. The fact is that the American public has turned against this war and wants it to end. Fox News just did a poll and only 17 percent of Americans think that the surge had led to a significant improvement in Iraq, while 45 percent think it's made no difference whatsoever. More Americans think Gen. Petraeus's testimony was slanted than believe it was truthful, by a 40 percent-35 percent margin.

Posted by: Patrick | September 15, 2007 6:56 PM

I agree that there should be a draft. If this is such a world wide survival struggle , why is there no draft? And why are all the other countries leaving Iraq if it represents such a threat to all the world? And please don't keep saying there are 25 other countries there. Poland and Slovakia and countries sending 3 people or so each doesn't constitute much support.

Posted by: Elizabeth | September 15, 2007 6:59 PM

Each of the causes Marc reports are found in my experience, the most personally compelling being his last listed: the trump card of ineffectiveness ..and yet . isn't it likely worse, worse than doing nothing, owing to a seemingly inevitable backlash? To this day peace marchers are blamed for ending our involvement in Vietnam short of victory, even as historians say the opposite, that protesters prolonged the war by causing stubborn resistance in the DoD and WH. We can't win, which is more frustrating than fitting.

Posted by: jhbyer | September 15, 2007 6:59 PM

"Fact is, ANSWER is a turn-off to many people who are against the war, but don't want to be involved with a bunch of self-proclaimed pseudo-radicals, which bring every left-wing cause to their rallies."

Ditto.

Posted by: Nick | September 15, 2007 7:05 PM

And don't forget that we have the photos of Rummy shaking hands with Saddam!!

Now we have to stay on course and finish the job of getting Bush and Cheney impeached as war criminals.

It is going to be another year of yelling Bush Lies and People Dies on the Internet chat forums and at other small gatherings that are organized by my really cool progressive comrades at A.N.S.W.E.R. and MoveOn.org.

If the really cool progressives and members of the angry, bitter left continue to use the Internet to spread our socialist/communist agenda under the guise of the anti-war effort, then perhaps we can get other peoples who don't work much during the day to read our consistent, yet angry, message that we will continue to post here.

Peace. - Scott Laughrey

Posted by: Scott Laughrey | September 15, 2007 7:09 PM

We need to be able to make a distinction between supporting the troops and supporting this, or any other, war. Having worked as a military contractor for several years, I support our troops 100% at all times. That does not mean that I automatically support their civilian leaders and whatever ill-conceived adventures those leaders may send the troops off to pursue.

Anti-Iraq war protesters are not automatically demeaning the troops. This was not the case in Vietnam, and it is probably the greatest difference between the two wars.

Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2007 7:12 PM

There was also a Pro Troop Rally held in Washington today far out numbered the college students protesting the war. The anti-war protestors DO NOT represent MOST Americans. They are rude, misinformed college students, have never had to fight for their freedom and don't truly understand what is at stake. They have never been to war and probably will never volunteer their service to the military to protect America's freedoms. The anti-war crowd doesn't have a true grasp of history or an understanding of our Constitution. They appear to be brainwashed by a solicalistic agenda. The Vietnam War and the Iraq War are two completely different wars for two different reasons. It is evident by the way they want to be like the Vietnam War protestors that the "anti's" are clueless as to what the truth is.

Posted by: Paula in Austin | September 15, 2007 7:37 PM

It's hard to comment on your opinion as even your own paper's coverage has yet to say exactly how many protesters there were. At this juncture, the Washington Post Online edition indicates only that there were "several thousand" anti war protesters. Interestingly enough, the online story devotes about half its coverage to the "several hundred" counter demonstrators. Funny, how there is no editorial comment on the fact that the pro-war faction could only muster a few hundred counter protesters while the turnout of thousands of anti-war protesters is touted as a failure. In sum, your opinion is biased, your editorial judgment is dubious and your article isn't fit for publication in a high school's monthly newsletter.

Posted by: Joe | September 15, 2007 7:38 PM

Scott Laughrey,
Man, you are really killing it :-) Enough with that sense of derision that you have for the left wingers, although i must say i enjoy and share it.

ANSWER - Act Now to stop wasting everyone's time. These left wing losers have never done a constructive thing in their lives and are warped in the 70's. Wake up hippies, there is no draft and even if there was one nobody in hell would want you in the US Army.

God Bless the USA.

Posted by: NS | September 15, 2007 7:39 PM

They were turning buses back if they did not pay $500.00 to enter Washington, D.C. This is a tricky little law that the city enacted in Aug. Buses have to get prior approval and pay a small fee to drive into the city. So that explains why some people did not get there. They didn't have $500.00 to get their bus through.

Posted by: Radiosoo | September 15, 2007 7:41 PM

What happened today was quite unique. The gathering point was right outside the back fence of the White House. In past rallies, we encircled the White House and chanted vociferously even when Bush wasn't there. This time we basically turned our backs on Bush and marched off in the opposite direction.

This is because he has become ineffectual and powerless. Hence, the American people as a whole -- precisely as we did today -- have elected to simply ignore him and march off in another direction.

There have been a couple 500k+ antiwar rallies, and a couple more 200k+ rallies, here since the start of the war. This one was smaller for a couple of reasons: first, as someone noted above, it wasn't widely publicized outside the ANSWER website (and locally, because of the poster-pasting brouhaha).

Second, we no longer feel like our protests are falling on deaf ears in DC. In '06 we elected many people to Congress who understand and share our concerns, and are actively working to promote our positions. This enables us to work equally well within traditional political channels, which we've been unable to do previously during the Bush imperium. Swinging the Congress is a huge accomplishment.

So, you triumphalist drumbeaters, don't be so smug. The movement, like an old-timey locomotive, has taken a long time gathering steam -- but just try to stop it now.

Posted by: loco_moco | September 15, 2007 7:43 PM

Most working Americans simply cannot afford to take off several days from their work to go to Washington and "make a statement". I'm convinced that if there were a draft now, we'd see the same kinds of protests we did in the '60s, because the college-age generation would have a vested interest in gettting this madness stopped.

As it is, people like myself who oppose this war are making their views known to their congressmen and senators, and doing the best we can. But really, if we want to stop this war, we have to stop it with our votes.

The Republican party should be voted out of existance in the 2008 election, not just defeated, but rendered unable to contribute to the process of government. They have, by their support of the Bush administration's horrible agenda, completely forfeited the right to exist. The people should abolish the Republican party at this point. Then maybe a new party will organize that is more responsive to the American people.

It's definitely time to shake up the two-party system. A strong third party would help (I had hoped in 2000 that the Greens would be that party, but it obviously didn't work out). At the very least, we need to vote for radical change at this point.

Posted by: Reverend Rock | September 15, 2007 7:46 PM

Going to DC and protesting takes so much time and money for we average people, and now when the media ignores our actions what's the use. We are so brain washed with newspapers concentrating on scandals and sexual miscreants and page after page of sports, so how does a sincere protestor gets his/her message across. What we should encourage our military who gets 18 days at home and then back to hell, what we should do is encourage each and every military person to go AWOL. By going AWOL
they are not breaking the military law, beause it will be easy for them to prove
that they refuse to return because our country is illegally waging a war that has no justification. Come on guys and gals,
go AWOL.

Posted by: HelenUU | September 15, 2007 7:46 PM

>>the writer: Q-Bert who suggested she go back to Connecticut and lose another kid for another 15 minutes of fame, should not be permitted to have his comment printed as it is most inappropriate no matter what your opinions. What an ugly comment and person.

I find her using the death of her son as a political catapult far more repugnant than your ditaste for my comments. She reduces her own son from a self sacrificing hero to a stepping stone.<<

Q-Bert, get with it & sign up with the military. Put your money where your mouth is. You should know, "the only good commie (or terrorist) is one that's dead."

People, it's time to BRING BACK THE DRAFT. Then everyone can share in this righteous war and feel proud of what they believe in.

But until then -- shut up.

Posted by: deenaquin | September 15, 2007 7:48 PM

ANSWER is obviously not the answer. It has served its purpose and it needs to evolve and merge with the entire breadth and depth of the antiwar movement in the country and world. There is another antiwar demonstration in D.C. on Saturday, September 29, called by nonANSWER folks under the single issue of "Troops out Now". That's the way to go in the future. Give up organizational arrogance and unite with all who demand our troops, all of them, to leave Iraq now. Keep all other issues, especially the Mumia nonsense, off the podium and out of the call for action. When the Spirit of 76 struck first it was around the unified call to get all the troops from England out of America now. That success proved sufficient to create a whole new social order. Why not try it again? The Spirit of 76 is ready, willing and able to be aroused again by prophetic leadership.
For more info on the 9/29 demo visit www.troopsoutnow.org

Posted by: Spirit of 76 | September 15, 2007 7:49 PM

They were turning buses back if they did not pay $500.00 to enter Washington, D.C.

Nope, that got debunked on Daily Kos.

Posted by: Michael Pugliese | September 15, 2007 7:52 PM

And to Paula "in Austin", unless you're a clairvoyant you have no basis for your statement that the counterdemonstrators "far outnumbered the college students". As one who was there, let me assure you that the counterdemonstrators were substantially fewer in numbers than we were.

Their maneuvering tactics later in the afternoon were profoundly pathetic. They marched straight into a cul-de-sac and decamped. This made them sitting ducks for the volleys of nice, polite discussions that subsequently ensued. Lucky thing it wasn't a real war zone.

Posted by: loco_moco | September 15, 2007 7:52 PM

Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit

REAL PROTEST IN WASHINGTON LARGER THAN EXPECTED;
AT LEAST 1,000 PARTICIPATE IN "DIE-IN'
BUSH REGIME DEPLOYS 1,000 FLAG-WAVING COUNTER-DEMONSTRATORS

EXPECT DAMAGE-CONTROL COVERAGE IN THE MAINSTREAM PRESS.


Al Jazeera - Sep 15, 2007
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/994DBA62-EC0B-4AE2-9FF5-BE7CFCF4D387.htm

Thousands attend US anti-war march

Posted by: Michael Pugliese | September 15, 2007 7:54 PM

The politcal clubs I belong to are much more focused on impeachement and withdrawal from Iraq than they were a year ago. Sure, the Bay Area is bright blue, but it has its red enclaves, and I live in one of them. The Impeach sticker on my car gets me positive remarks in parking lots and thumbs up on the freeway. THe expression of the frustration felt by 70% of the population is becoming stronger. Look for larger numbers at future protests and more politicians growing spine.

Posted by: byegeorge | September 15, 2007 7:54 PM

"They were turning buses back if they did not
pay $500.00 to enter Washington, D.C. This is a tricky little law that the city enacted in Aug. Buses have to get prior approval and pay a small fee to drive into the city. So that explains why some people did not get there. They didn't have $500.00 to get their bus through."

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A bus could stop in Northern Virginia or Silver Spring MD and the people could take the Metro. No, the real explanation is aliens, led by Aipac and other Jews.

Bush lies and people dies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: paulpaul1234 | September 15, 2007 8:16 PM

how can the washington post declare a poor turn out when the only pre-protest coverage it gave in it's paper was a 4"x4" inch square in the bottom left of today's newspaper 3 pages deep titled "today's protest"

the post did it's part making sure some people didn't hear about it, but despite this more anti war demonstrators showed up than the counter protestor's.

and don't downplay the turnout, i was there to see it and it was massive enough to have riot cops lining the steps of the capitol. paddy waggons lined up around the block, and police shuffling about with bundles of riot cuffs below their arms.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2007 8:22 PM

So, Paula, why are you still in Austin? Why aren't you in Iraq if you equate patriotism with war and killing? If it's better for the country to throw trillions of dollars down the Middle East drain instead of creating a decent health care or educational system in the US, why aren't you in Iraq? And I notice none of you has yet explained why other countries aren't tripping over each other in their haste to get to Iraq defend the world from the Iraqis. So why aren't they there?

Posted by: Elizabeth | September 15, 2007 8:33 PM

read PJ ORourke in The Atlantic a few years ago hilarious story about splinttered protests - not what serious people want to get involved with. as long as war doens't affect most people, most people won't go. and people who know bush won't change his mind are working to elect democrats in 2008 instead of protesting.

Posted by: why i didn't go | September 15, 2007 8:51 PM

I was there today. As far as who organizes it, I don't care - I go to all of them. I think the reason not so many people were there is because not only does Bush not care what people think, it's also clear that Congress doesn't either. However, considering all the Iraqi civilians that have died or been displaced, all the money spent on the war and the loss of freedoms at home with the concurrent breakdown of the rule of law with its checks and balances, perhaps Americans are just so self-absorbed that they really don't care unless it affects them personally. Or maybe they've been conditioned to feel powerless, it seems that is how most are acting.

Posted by: John from New Jersey | September 15, 2007 9:03 PM

God forbid anybody write somethign that's not reflexively liberal on this site. They then become an 'administration mouthpiece.'

Posted by: geez you are lame | September 15, 2007 10:33 PM

"IMPEACH THE BUSH/CHENEY CRIMINALS FOR CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY "

Gee, thats sounds like what the Ayatollah of Iran says:

"TEHRAN: Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said yesterday that US President George W Bush had been defeated in his Middle East plans and would one day stand trial for "atrocities""... blah blah blah, find me some more women to kill....

http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story.asp?Article=193928&Sn=WORL&IssueID=30179

What a surprise - the dupes following the leftwingers at Intl Canswer & BowellMove.org AGREE WITH THE CHIEF JIHADIST WHO WANTS TO CONTROL IRAQ AND THE PERSIAN GULF.

Jihadists and Traitors working together to destroy America.

Posted by: Joe Sixpack | September 15, 2007 11:40 PM

"The Cold Splash of Reality, With A Side of Sizzle"

Your tagline is meant as an ironic joke, like middle class hipsters drinking Pabst. Right?

Posted by: misc | September 15, 2007 11:54 PM

There is a simple reason why this protest is a failure.

More people are discovering that ANSWER actually supports those killing our troops.

If you want to say you are anti war, you don't tell the world that you support the very people killing the American Soldiers you want removed from Iraq.

"The anti-war movement here and around the world must give its unconditional support to the Iraqi anti-colonial resistance"

ANSWER's flyer titled, "Counter-Revolution & Resistance in Iraq"

ANSWER and Code Pink have supplied insurgents ("the Iraqi anti-colonial resistance") in Iraq with the money to kill our troops to the tune of almost a million dollars.

The next time they have a die-in perhaps they should make it more realistic and actually kill some Americans instead of paying someone else to do it in Iraq.

Posted by: Sgt. Mike The Marine | September 15, 2007 11:56 PM

Why are so few people supporting "answer"?
Its an easy question to answer. I dealt with "answer" on two issues--one was AIDS funding and the other was in opposing funding for DC's new $700 million plus taxpayer paid for baseball stadium. In both cases "answer" was interested only in confrontation, civil disturbance and in publishing distorted and factually incorrect information. Anything to further what its so called leadership perceives to be their own objectives. I view "answer" as nothing more than the play thing for some well off middle class white boys and girls who are without any direction or purpose in their lives. What a sad and pathetic group which easily turns potential friends and allies into enemies who want nothing to do with them.

Posted by: DC Native | September 16, 2007 12:13 AM

Maybe it's because many people are aware that ANSWER is a communist front organization? Or that organizers like Ramsey Clark and Cindy Sheehan are crazy far-left loons? Might it also be that while many Americans might disapprove of our involvement in Iraq, they won't scorn our troops and our country? Just asking...

Posted by: Fred | September 16, 2007 2:09 AM

The complacent, propaganistic media complex causes the war to continue . I have talked to reporters for major papers who say things like, "I can't print that. It doesn't matter that its true. I would be fired. The shipyard in Norfolk has too much power."

During Vietnam, everyone saw the picture of the young naked girl running as napalm burned her skin. Has ONE picture like that been published in the US press, or been widely shown on T.V.

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:TrangBang.jpg

"The photo was as authentic as the Vietnam war itself. The horror of the Vietnam war recorded by me did not have to be fixed. That terrified little girl is still alive today and has become an eloquent testimony to the authenticity of that photo. That moment thirty years ago will be one Kim Phuc and I will never forget. It has ultimately changed both our lives"

"Film footage of Kim Phúc running from her village was shot by British news cameraman Alan Downes, then on assignment for ITN."

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Consider today's photographic coverage of the war in Iraq.

Even Salon.com has censored its photo link.

See the article and link at:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,371411,00.html

If you can stomache it, look this page, and some accompanying links:

http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqwarpix.html

Posted by: Alain Uppes | September 16, 2007 6:44 AM

Alain Uppes,

Why don't you tell the whole story of Kim Phúc.

How she was being protected by ARVN forces from a Viet Cong attack and was wounded when a South Vietnamese Aircraft mistakenly dropped it's weapons on their position, or that in that famous picture there are burned ARVN soldiers that were with her.

If she was being targeted by anyone it was the Communists that destroyed her village.

In Iraq, who is blowing up cars in crowds of people? Who is beheading those that will not follow them? Who took a five year old child and tried to burn him alive?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/13/youssif.doctor/index.html

Why are our nation's finest young men and women blamed for trying to protect the innocent victims of Saddam Hussein and his henchmen as well as Al Qaeda in Iraq?

Because Bush is President?

Because Congress sent them there?

Because a bunch of communists want our troops defeated and disgraced?

Because this nation can and will make life better for the people of Iraq just like we did in Germany and Japan.

Posted by: Sgt Mike The Marine | September 16, 2007 9:01 AM

A lot of ignorant posts here..I was there, there were at least 40,000 at the protest, and maybe 5000 counter protesters..Not everyone participated in the "die in" but the turnout was strong..

"ANSWER and Code Pink have supplied insurgents ("the Iraqi anti-colonial resistance") in Iraq with the money to kill our troops to the tune of almost a million dollars.

The next time they have a die-in perhaps they should make it more realistic and actually kill some Americans instead of paying someone else to do it in Iraq.?

Posted by: Sgt. Mike The Marine

Sgt. Mike do you have anything to back up this claim?

Posted by: Jefferson Lives | September 17, 2007 11:28 AM

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