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Mint to D.C.: Leave It On Your License Plates

Wow, that was fast. The U.S. Mint pretty much set a government speed record in rejecting the District government's proposal to put the words "Taxation Without Representation" on the D.C. quarter that will be issued as part of the 50 States coin program.

Mayor Adrian Fenty's in-your-face proposal "does not comply with the law that authorizes the D.C. commemorative quarter-dollar coin," the Mint says in a statement just issued.

"Changing how the District of Columbia (the Seat of Government of the United States ) is represented in Congress is a contemporary political issue on which there presently is no national consensus and over which reasonable minds differ.
Although the United States Mint expresses no position on the merits of this issue, we have determined that the proposed inscription is clearly controversial and, therefore, inappropriate as an element of design for United States coinage."

Those of you who took part in my contest this morning to predict when and how the Mint would stuff the city mainly named dates in March and April. Although no one predicted an instant response like we've now seen, I am awarding the prize to "The Cosmic Avenger," who wrote that "the Mint will wait a few days before the deadline for the design is due, then the letter will say, in brief, 'Congress holds our purse strings, and they say 'Get bent'." Cosmic, please shoot me an email with your contacts and I'll get your prize out to you.

A letter to the D.C. government from Cynthia Vitelli, assistant director of external relations for the Mint, invites the District to submit new ideas for the coin's design. The Mint statement says it "looks forward to working with District officials to develop narratives that will lead to a quarter honoring the District of Columbia of which the entire Nation can be proud."


By Marc Fisher |  February 27, 2008; 12:41 PM ET
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OK, first, what's UP with capitalizing "Nation" like that?

Second, you know that no matter what we submitted, the feds would find a way to insist that we show only Fedworld on OUR quarter, not anything that actually reflects the District.

So, let's go ask the Historical Society if we can borrow their logo for this. That way we get some local identity, even if we do have to acknowledge the presence of the overseers.

Posted by: saf | February 27, 2008 1:05 PM

And "in god we trust" isn't clearly controversial?

Posted by: Mike Patton | February 27, 2008 1:19 PM

This is far from a "contemporary issue." And the entire nation cannot be proud of DC as long as it is ignorant of DC's lack of representation.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 1:21 PM

Off topic, but can Virginia resubmit with either an empty hole/ elevated rail track with IAD in the background or gridlock next to a "MetroDulles: Coming Soon" x'ed out?

As for the district, resubmit with the Mayor for Life at his famous presser with the humble entry for Political Quote of All Time replacing the "Taxation without Representation" slogan.

There's no lack of national consensus that he said THAT.

Seriously, this is starting to amuse me....each state could have its "eff you" quarters. Utah could have a polygamous family....crud, there goes my productivity.

Posted by: BobT | February 27, 2008 1:23 PM

A less direct message would certainly be approved. I submit that the coin should simply commemorate the Boston Tea Party. After initial puzzlement, when citizens around the country figure out the connection, the message will be heard much more than directly stating "No taxation without representation".

Posted by: Hopeful | February 27, 2008 1:25 PM

Hopeful, that's a good description if you that has a chance of working. People aren't that thoughtful. They'll look at it, go "huh?" and go back to their lives.

I really do wonder if the mint will consider giving us anything that really is about DC.

Posted by: saf | February 27, 2008 1:28 PM

So I suppose the "no taxation without representation" folks also support allowing children who pay sales tax (or even just teenagers who pay income tax) to vote?

(Or alternately exempting everyone under the age of 18 from all taxes?)

Posted by: Kr | February 27, 2008 1:34 PM

Why does the entire "Nation" have to be "proud" of the slogan anyway? I'm not particularly proud of "The Lone Star State." Doesn't that phrase derive from the State's attempted independence from Mexico AND The United States?

Posted by: PSUBones | February 27, 2008 1:41 PM

I vote for the Redskins emblem & the words "Dallas Sucks". That should pretty much offend everyone.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 1:52 PM

I think the DC quarter should depict a car with several parking tickets and a boot on it. Something that captures that DC "je ne sais quoi".

Posted by: Deaniac | February 27, 2008 2:04 PM

I say we use Frederick Douglas instead as our image. So "No Taxation..." is controversial. Then I say put a great abolitionist and DC resident as a way to tell them to "stow it".

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 2:08 PM

I suggest an image of the Frederick Douglass Home in Anacostia (a national park) with the Douglass quote

"Agitate. Agitate. Agitate."

Posted by: RS | February 27, 2008 2:10 PM

You have a choice to live in the "District of Columbia". It was created for a purpose and even though it has morphed into a different entity it is still the Federal "District of Columbia"

Posted by: Howard | February 27, 2008 2:10 PM

I still think a picture of Klingle Road would be appropriate.

Posted by: Rich | February 27, 2008 2:12 PM

How about Mayor for Life holding a crack pipe and the words "B____ set me up"?

Posted by: cet | February 27, 2008 2:18 PM

Wow, it only took 12 comments before the ignorant "you choose to live in D.C." argument.
Did anyone "chose" where they were born?

Posted by: 13th St. S.E. | February 27, 2008 2:20 PM

re:cet
Bob T already said that in a more eloquent way.

Posted by: Cap Hill | February 27, 2008 2:21 PM

How about just the crack pipe?

Posted by: hwa | February 27, 2008 2:25 PM

Whatever design DC ends up sending, it should have absolutely NO relation to the federal government or being the nation's capital. No monuments, Capitol Building, etc. The design should reflect DC and not acknowledge the feds in any way, shape, or form. If a person did not already know that DC is the capital, then they should not be able to figure it out based on the quarter design.

If the mint wants the nation's capital on a quarter, they can design it as a special edition later. This design belongs to the people of DC (and I'm from NOVA).

Posted by: TikiRob | February 27, 2008 2:35 PM

Surprising decision! Seeing as how these are "State" quarters and to the best of my knowledge, DC is not yet a state. Hmmmmm....

Posted by: Michael | February 27, 2008 2:41 PM

I assume there was a prior blog/column praising the fact that DC gets a quarter at all? I'm sure there'd be plenty of carping if it didn't, as one more example of marginalization etc.

Posted by: bc | February 27, 2008 2:45 PM

"Did anyone 'chose' where they were born?"

Unless you are a minor, you make that choice daily. Life is a series of choices; all of them have consequeces whether we "choose" to recognize that or be "ignorant".

Posted by: Leesburger | February 27, 2008 2:47 PM

Serves ya right, whiners.

Get a life.

Posted by: NoVA | February 27, 2008 2:47 PM

I think we should put a Hershey's Kiss on the coin in honor of CA Rep. Diane Watson's channeling of New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin last night at CBC's townhall meeting at Howard:

"Did you know your representatives can not vote? They can only vote in the committee as a whole. So what you're going to have to do is declare the District something like a state so they can have a proportional representation who vote. But that would give this district two senators and there are a lot of people on that floor who don't want to see that occur because if there's a chocolate city, this is it."

Posted by: Leesburger | February 27, 2008 2:48 PM

"Seeing as how these are "State" quarters and to the best of my knowledge, DC is not yet a state."

This is the United STATES of America, is it not? And we're paying taxes to it. Semantics. 'Cept for the representation issue, of course, and here we are back at the heart of the matter.

Posted by: WDC | February 27, 2008 2:48 PM

I did choose to live in VA. I could have moved where ever I wanted. I decided Arlington, VA was the place I felt the most comfortable. Its not like some magic force field is going to stop you from going to a real state. Regardless what other DC people tell you, this isn't like the movie Running man. you head is not going to blow up when you cross out of the boundaries of DC.

I have never got why you chose to live there isn't a legit argument.

Posted by: Jon | February 27, 2008 2:50 PM

A lot of people were born in DC. They live in the house that's been in their family for generations.

Others cannot afford to move.

Still others aren't physically capable of moving.

The 'why don't you just move' argument is possibly the weakest argument against democracy for DC residents. It's usually made by people that don't know any actual DC residents, and spend little if any time in the city.

Posted by: Hillman | February 27, 2008 2:54 PM

I dare some of you 'why don't you just move' people to say that to the family that lives right down the block from me.

They've lived in the same house for four generations. Not particularly wealthy. A strong part of their community for decades. Deeply involved in local schools, charitable organizations, etc.

Their son died in Iraq.

How about if you go knock on their door, informing them that they need to move to get the benefits of democracy? You know, the very democracy their son died bringing to the citizens of the capital city of Iraq.

I'd be happy to give you their address, so you can remind them of their second class citizenry in person.

Posted by: Hillman | February 27, 2008 2:59 PM

Jon is right. "You chose to live there" is a legitimate argument for a country denying its citizens representation in its "democracy." Just like it was legitimate when King George III made the argument. Everyone from the colonies should have moved to England rather than raising a ruckus and demanding "rights."

Posted by: Empshel | February 27, 2008 3:00 PM

To hell with the quarter. They should send a letter back to the mint to say forget it, and add to it, that we are going to withold sending anymore income tax money to the feds until the congress, (which has it within its own authority to grant full representation to half a million people who pay income taxes but have no say in how it is spent), does so.

Our brave forefathers fought for this right for all future citizens, not for just some of them. The emphasis should be on making sure all income tax paying citizens have representation in both legislative bodies in the United States of America, which according to my passport I'm a citizen of. Period end of story.

Posted by: Tax Payer in DC | February 27, 2008 3:00 PM

Its amazing how ignorant some people are on this issue. If you think that DC should not have representation then that is a legitimate position, but please be informed on the debate and its history. This has been debated ever since the creation of the District. The real question that is never asked of opponents and needs to be answered is : No matter how it is worded, do you honestly believe that the founding fathers after fighting for lack of representation would have INTENDED for ANY US citizen to be denied representation???

Posted by: Aaron | February 27, 2008 3:06 PM

"The 'why don't you just move' argument is possibly the weakest argument against democracy for DC residents"

Strawman alert!!!!

No one has advocate that you move. Should you choose to move or choose to stay, political representation may or may not be a factor in that choice, depending on the decision-maker. As it has been since the District of Columbia was created, it does not have representation in Congress. Should you choose to be represented in Congress you have two options:

1.) Petition your government to amend the Constitution granting representation to D.C. (This may or may not be successful)

2.) Move to a State that is represented. (This is 100% successful barring disqualifying conditions such as felony conviction)

The choice is yours.

Posted by: Leesburger | February 27, 2008 3:19 PM

"No matter how it is worded, do you honestly believe that the founding fathers after fighting for lack of representation would have INTENDED for ANY US citizen to be denied representation??? "

Just like they intended for slaves and women to be represented? I think those came much later.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 3:23 PM

On the reverse of the Hawaiian quarter:

"Ua mau ke ea o ka ʻāina i ka pono" is a Hawaiian phrase meaning: "The life (sovereignty) of the land is perpetuated in (by) righteousness," and is the state motto of Hawaiʻi.

The motto was adopted by the Kingdom of Hawaiʻi in 1843, and was used in an address by King Kamehameha III at ceremonies following the return of his kingdom from the British. Hawaiʻi had been ceded to England by the British captain Lord George Paulet of the H.B.M.S. Carysfort, in response to claims of political abuses against British residents made by British Consul Richard Charlton. After Kamehameha III notified London of the captain's actions, Admiral Richard Thomas returned sovereignty back to the King.

The motto is also retained from the Hawaiian Royal Coat of Arms.

Posted by: Lance | February 27, 2008 3:24 PM

I vote for a big middle finger in front of the Capitol

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 3:31 PM

Sorry, people choose to stay in their neighborhoods. Its a choice you have made. There are arguments for and against giving DC the right to vote. The bottom line is if you cared that much, you would move. Obviously you don't care enough.

Also, DC is already one of the convict centers of the East Coast. Would having the rest of the people commit felonies by not paying their taxes really change the landscape all that much? Go ahead and send the IRS a letter with your reasoning and post the results. I know no one has the guts the back up their words with actions. I will be interested to see the results.

Posted by: Jon | February 27, 2008 3:31 PM

The slogan is a protest by D.C. against federal law, so the mint can hardly be expected to put it on U.S. currency, whether it's for a good cause or not.

Other rejected slogans:
S.C.: Southern Independence (with picture of Fort Sumpter) or Let It Fly (with picture of Confederate flag)
Virginia: Allow Guns in Rec Centers
Kansas: Evolution is a Myth
Alabama: Separate But Equal
Utah: Say No to Christianity
Puerto Rico: Let Us Out
Massachusetts: Same Sex, Same Rights
Texas: Shoot First, Ask Questions Later
Arizona: Too Many Mexicans

Posted by: webg | February 27, 2008 3:35 PM

Put Eastern Market on the quarter then have a national campaign to get people to send in their Eastern Market quarters to fund the reconstruction!

Posted by: Elizabeth | February 27, 2008 3:35 PM

How's this for a compromise? Since they won't give us DC residents representation, why don't they just quit making us pay federal income taxes? I'd rather have the vote, but no taxes would be second best!

Posted by: LarryH | February 27, 2008 3:39 PM

Tax Payer in DC at 3:00 said that Congress "has it within its own authority to grant full representation to half a million people who pay income taxes but have no say in how it is spent."

To you and all of the other DC residents who complain about not having any representation in Congress, welcome to the real world. The average people in the 50 states don't have anyone representing us either. Nobody in Congress represents the average person, they only represent big biz and big money. So even if DC ever becomes a state, do you think that anybody you elect would truly represent you?

Posted by: scooter964 | February 27, 2008 3:46 PM

A picture of Chuck Brown and the phrase, "Chocolate City."

Or the "Dallas sucks" idea.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 3:46 PM

Put Ben's Chilli Bowl on the Quarter.

Posted by: cattayl | February 27, 2008 3:54 PM

D.C. residents, stop whining for representation you'll never get. Work for retrocession to Maryland. Then you'll get your federal representation, and a somewhat more competent state government to boot.

Posted by: Richard | February 27, 2008 3:54 PM

Jon wrote "Sorry, people choose to stay in their neighborhoods. Its a choice you have made. There are arguments for and against giving DC the right to vote. The bottom line is if you cared that much, you would move. Obviously you don't care enough."

Thank God the colonists didn't believe in this view or we wouldn't have the United States today. Oh you colonists don't want to pay taxes to the King and let him spend it as he chooses, too bad move!

It is sad to see the erosion over time, a commitment to some of the basic fundamentals this country was founded on. Oh but wait, we are going to send our young men and women to die in order to force this on other people and waste our national treasures in doing.

Telling people to pay taxes and not giving them representation is extortion. There were men and women who died because this was a fundamental issue against the rights of man worth dying over. I guess 231 years dilutes a nation's memory.

I knew the education system generally in this country had deteriorated, I didn't realize it was this bad.

Posted by: Tax Payer in DC | February 27, 2008 3:58 PM

Chuck Brown with "I *heart* DC."

If you read some primary documents from our founding fathers (Adams's correspondence with his wife is a good enough starting point), you will discover that they actually intended for women and slaves to have votes, they only failed to protect that right and the right of District residents to representation because the southern colonies/states wouldn't have ratified the constitution and Bill of Rights with those protections intact.

And to those who cling to the "just move" argument, I challenge to to be born into a real community and micro-society and see if that does not deserve democracy or to be born with no resources and see how much choice you have in your occupation and residence.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 4:05 PM

I say that the citizens of the District of Columbia should refuse to use any US currency for one entire day as a sign of protest against the contInuation of the lack of voting rights.

or, more seriously:

Give DC back to Maryland to end the constitutional problems of DC not being a state. Which is more important, having your own state, or having voting representation in Congress? I'm a long-time resident by choice, having moved here in the late 70's, and I would much prefer solving the problem rather than arguing over it for another 200 years. Congress can change the city limits without a constitutional amendment: let them zone it all back into Maryland, and declare only the Federally owned buildings to be the District of Columbia!

Posted by: DWW | February 27, 2008 4:05 PM

A lot has changed in 200 + years. You want to go back to slavery as well? Many of the signers of the constitution had slaves, so by your simplified logic, it must have been ok. Stop oversimplifying the issue.

DC residents continually elect some of the stupidest and most corrupt people in all of DC (and thats saying something) to represent them on the city council. Lord knows who they would elect to congress. Thats the real reason they won't become a state. Why on earth should republicans give up two seats in the senate or anything in the house unless they are getting a guarantee that the vote will be offset. Regardless of whether that is fair or not, its just smart politics on their side (and I have voted democrat in most of the past elections).

Stop electing losers like M. Barry and maybe people will take you seriously. If you treat your local elections like an election for 4th grade class president, don't be surprised when the rest of the country thinks your idiots.

Posted by: Jon | February 27, 2008 4:08 PM

Osama Bin Laden is a homosexual and lives in a cave.

Posted by: AC | February 27, 2008 4:08 PM

How about a train pulling into Metro Center with the slogan "Don't Even THINK of Eating Here."

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 4:12 PM

DWW:

Retrocession to MD has a couple of problems. First, MD doesn't want us back. No, really. They don't.

And how do you merge two sets of laws. For instance, DC has different laws on gay rights than MD does. Whose laws win? And which pension systems win? Etc.

Second, the federal city isn't just the Mall, Congress, and White House. The Feds own hundreds of facilities and parcels throughout DC. Including most of the parks in DC (even the tiny little triangle parks where three local roads meet). Logistically, there's really no way to parcel those out.

Posted by: Hillman | February 27, 2008 4:15 PM

If electing stupid or corrupt officials is a bar to representation, then we should seriously consider revoking representation of the districts that have also made poor election decisions.

Seriously, that argument is actually on shakier ground than the "you chose to live there" line of reasoning.

Posted by: John in Mpls | February 27, 2008 4:21 PM

"The real question that is never asked of opponents and needs to be answered is : No matter how it is worded, do you honestly believe that the founding fathers after fighting for lack of representation would have INTENDED for ANY US citizen to be denied representation???"

If the founding fathers didn't have this as their objective, then why did they write the constitution in such a way? Obviously, that is what the founding fathers intended to do. This is not a later amendment, but part of the original core document. Other citizens have been or are currently denied representation in congress - such as those living in former territories and those in Puerto Rico.

Posted by: Grillades | February 27, 2008 4:24 PM

The founding fathers did not envision the District becoming a residential area as well. Their lack of ability to foresee this problem does not indicate a desire for the disenfranchisement of DC residents.

Posted by: John in Mpls | February 27, 2008 4:30 PM

How about
"Please take your Congressmen back, they are dumb and smell"

Cherry Blossom

Posted by: 35332 | February 27, 2008 4:32 PM

I have a plan for a way the district can legally motivate the Republicans to giving of statehood. Officially change the City Flag to a picture of Hitler sodomizing Reagan in Hell.

Posted by: Alex35332 | February 27, 2008 4:33 PM

Given that any acceptable redesign will be immediately and quickly be forgotten, why doesn't the District instead retract its request to be on a quarter? That is, take our quarter and go home.

At at a minimum, such an action will spur continued debate, discussion, and attention to the full voting rights issue.

Posted by: No Quarter | February 27, 2008 4:36 PM

I love it. Look, after living in DC for 10 years and then moving away please let me tell you how the rest of the country feels about your "plight": no one cares! DC is not a state. Amend the Constitution or get over it. Those are your choices. Please stop with the petty attempts at throwing this in the country's face. Throwing something in someone's face doesn't work if the other person totally doesn't care.

Posted by: Larry M. | February 27, 2008 4:37 PM

What about a car on 4 cinder blocks and a dc police cruiser just happening on by, or a big pothole stating "Home of the Whopper"!

Posted by: Bergemaan | February 27, 2008 4:38 PM

How about, "The b*ch set me up", with an image of Marion Berry holding a snow shovel on the front.

Posted by: George | February 27, 2008 4:39 PM

The U.S. Mint's project for 50 State quarters was simply that-- for the 50 States. D.C. cried "foul" and was given the opportunity to provide some design that was not otherwise offensive or a blataant political statement. I don't think Puerto Rico, the U.S. Virgin Islands or Guam was given such an opportunity.

Probably the best design would be $$ signs being sucked down a funnel, but that probably wouldn't work either.

Posted by: mintguy | February 27, 2008 4:44 PM

What Congress should do is give every resident of DC the right to elect to declare, for purposes only of voting, to be a resident of whatever Congressional District/State that they wish. And they can vote in that district. This way the hill folk in DC who are no longer residents of their home state can still vote in their home state and the rest of us can decide to all be residents of say the Idaho or Alaska (imagine the impact on the Alaska Senate race if 1/3rd of the voters in DC decided to become voters in the only Congressional District in Alaska).

Posted by: Poster | February 27, 2008 4:49 PM

If you want lower taxes and representation in Congress, move to Virginia or Maryland. You are not an oppressed people without options. You choose to live in DC, and you can choose to leave.

Posted by: C-MAC | February 27, 2008 4:52 PM

$500 billion to "liberate" Iraq (into a violent cesspool with no electricity and a terrorist university) but screw the residents of our own nation's capitol. Pretty much sums up the Bushleague Admin's selective "commitment" to democracy. Too bad DC doesn't have oil.

And Larry M., of course the rest of nation doesn't care. The only things they care about are American Idol, Britney Spears and "getting Saddam back for what he did to us on 9/11". I've lived many places in this country outside of the DC area, and they are all pretty much filled with clueless ignorant provincials. This country is every bit as uninformed as every survey of public scientific and historical knowledge tells us.

Posted by: Apalled | February 27, 2008 4:52 PM

I say an image of the Tenleytown Chipotle and me eating a burrito in a bowl.

Posted by: Vulture Breath | February 27, 2008 4:52 PM

Actually, retrocession would be easier than Hillman makes it out to be.

First, many in Maryland would love to have DC back. Oh, the exception would be the Baltimore Pols, but how is that surprising? And how does that relate to anything other than which part of the state holds power in Annapolis?

Second, merging the two sets of laws would be much easier than you think. With the exception of the wingnuts in the far west of the state and some parts of the eastern shore, MD & DC residents share much of the same philosophy.

Third, the Feds own parks and facilities in every state of the Union (they actually own more than 50% of Alaska). Transferring the small parks to the state or "Columbia county" would be a snap.

The concept would be to carve a Federal Corridor out that would, essentially go from the Executive Office building, along PA Ave to the LOC and would have one resident (or resident and family).

Posted by: Mikes | February 27, 2008 4:57 PM

Are most politicians corrupt? Yes, but DC (and the City of Chicago) have a reputation of being bad by even the US' low standards. If you care and need other people to take you seriously, then you have to take your own responsibility seriously.

As long as the City elects crack addicts, this isn't going to happen. Shape up and elect people who aren't the laughing stock of the country, and the cause will be taken more seriously.
It doesn't matter if its fair or not, its reality.

Posted by: Jon | February 27, 2008 4:59 PM

Appalled: I really find it curious how you and others somehow manage to link DC's lack of statehood/representation in Congress to the Bush administration, the Iraq war, etc. It's pretty laughable. Wasn't DC lacking representation during the Clinton years? The Carter years? The Kennedy years? Johnson? FDR? Jefferson, etc etc.? Where's the hatred for all these guys?

Basically you're just revealing your political stripes and really hurting any rational argument you may have. Add on to that your elitist rhetoric and you're really going places....

I agree most people around the country are pretty ignorant of public policy, etc. But the fact is if DC had a good argument to sell they would have sold it already. There is no argument - DC is not a state. Only states have representation in Congress. Amend the Constitution. Quit with the whiny platitudes.

Posted by: Larry M. | February 27, 2008 5:05 PM

Actually, Puerto Rico will get a quarter, along with Guam, American Samoa, the US Virgin Islands, and the Northern Mariana Islands.

Posted by: John in Mpls | February 27, 2008 5:07 PM

To hell with the Mint. In God we Trust is clearly controversial to which serious minds can disagree.

Denying 600,000 people a representative in Congress is not.

Let's issue our own currency.

Posted by: angry liberal | February 27, 2008 5:11 PM

Liberals already have their own currency, its called Pot.

Posted by: 420 | February 27, 2008 5:14 PM

I think they should politely shove this back into the Mint's face and say, "Huh? This is in honor of the patriots who first used the phrase that helped inspire the Revolution." Simply feign ignorance when they call it a "controversial" phrase. There are times when ignorant decisions merit responses couched in the same language.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_taxation_without_representation

"The Americans rejected the Stamp Act 1765 (which was repealed), and in 1773 violently rejected the tax on tea imports at the Boston Tea Party. The British could not accept this illegal act because it undermined the authority of the Crown in Parliament. When Great Britain began to crack down on the illegal activities performed by the colonists, the colonists formed militias and seized control of each colony, ousting the royal governors. The complaint was never officially over the amount of taxation (the taxes were quite low), but always on the decision-making process by which taxes were decided in London, without representation for the colonists in British Parliament. In February, 1775, Britain passed the Conciliatory Resolution which ended taxation for any colony which satisfactorily provided for the imperial defense and the upkeep of imperial officers."

Posted by: Appalled | February 27, 2008 5:16 PM

Marc,

So sorry about my late comment. I've been very sad about the death of Bill Buckley, and the true conservative movement.

About the mint: This is BS!!!!! US Mint go to you know where!!!

Posted by: johng | February 27, 2008 5:16 PM

420, are you a liberal? WTF does your statement mean? Do you live in DC like I do?

Posted by: johng | February 27, 2008 5:18 PM

Jon, democracy is not limited to those who vote "correctly." DC is the only voting disctrict where poor election choices have been used against the electorate. No one is talking about removing Chicago's represenatation.

Also, your point is undermined by your own admission that the situation is political. DC representation would be Democratic, and Republicans don't like that idea.

It doesn't matter the administration or the majority party in Congress, either. In order to amend the Consititution, more than a simple majority would be needed. Thus, some Republicans would have to vote for the amendment. Unless sympathetic parties gain a two-thirds majority in both houses, DC disenfranchisement will continue.

Posted by: John in Mpls | February 27, 2008 5:19 PM

Jon, it's "you're" or "you are" idiots. Moron.
...from your 4:08 post

Posted by: goalman | February 27, 2008 5:20 PM

Then why the Susan B. Anthony Dollar?

Woman Suffrage and equality for women was (and is) a very controversial issue... to some.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 5:25 PM

Lets break it down to the basics.

Do you believe that because I am a resident of DC that I should be denied my basic rights of representation in congress? If the answer is yes fine, I would love to hear an explantation as to why the taxes and blood of our residents is worth any less than those in VA etc.

Posted by: DC Native | February 27, 2008 5:27 PM

Maybe they should put the Boston Tea Party on the coin. That would offer a similar message.

Posted by: esch | February 27, 2008 5:32 PM

It would be wrong to get a stamp that says "Taxation without representation is tyranny" and use it to stamp every piece of currency that passes through your hands ... Right?

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 5:36 PM

It would be wrong to get a stamp that says "Taxation without representation is tyranny" and use it to stamp every piece of currency that passes through your hands ... Right?

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 5:36 PM

Larry M., forgive me but the last time I checked the US Mint was a federal agency under the executive branch. Their rejection of this non-offensive (to anyone but pro-tyranny folks, I suppose) and downright patriotic design (in case you missed all of grade school social studies) is the subject at hand here. George W. Bush is the administrator of that branch of government.

Moreover, Bush's first unofficial act upon taking office in 2000 was on inauguration day when he took the "Taxation Without Representation" plates off of the presidential limo that would be driven in his parade. (Clinton had had them put on.) This is an old issue, no doubt, but Bush has gone out of his way to thumb his nose at Liberty on this issue. That's why he gets a special mention here.

Hope that clears it up for you.

Posted by: Appalled | February 27, 2008 5:37 PM

A second question.

Why is it that ordinary citizens of the states seem to want to deny DC residents this representation? I can understand the politics behind it and why the politicians don't want to do it, but why would John Doe in VA or CA or where ever be against us having congressional representation. I don't think he would be, however there are some passionate comments posted here that really seem to be against this idea. So the question is why so much outcry, its not going to hurt you?

Posted by: DC Native | February 27, 2008 5:37 PM

Use "Consent of the Governed"

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 5:38 PM

i think the quarter should feature a large rat with an "x" through it. The tagline should read "not like those other cities (whose name we won't mention)"

Posted by: katie | February 27, 2008 5:40 PM

Poster | 04:49 PM :

Great idea, but let's turn Wyoming blue by all voting as Wyoming residents. Most of the country would applaud, since Wyoming has even less population than DC and deserves two Senators even less. We'd be doing everybody else a favor (maybe even Wyoming...)

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 5:43 PM

Everybody move out of DC and become political refugees...make DC a de-populated wasteland...that's what the Founding Fathers died for...and that's what we represent to the rest of the world, too. True Democracy!

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 5:47 PM

DC Native,

"I can understand the politics behind it and why the politicians don't want to do it, but why would John Doe in VA or CA or where ever be against us having congressional representation."

I'm sure they all have their own flavor of reasons. For instance, Jon here on this page seems to be driven by a bigoted obsession with Marion Barry. Because DC once had a mayor with a cocaine addiction (which has never ever been the case with politicians anywhere else in this great land - least of all Jon's state I'm sure), all DC residents should have no Congressional say in how their taxes are used.

I'm sure the other out-of-towners who chime in have their own equally compelling arguments. Most of them are simply Republicans who are afraid that if all Americans were represented in Congress they would have an even harder time getting their outdated policies codified into law. It's not by accident that the state offered up to be over-represented (in exchange for DC getting their basic rights) would be Utah.

Posted by: Appalled | February 27, 2008 5:52 PM

Put a picture of a dead "Dawg" with a crack pipe and pistol in his hand.

Posted by: Michael1945 | February 27, 2008 5:56 PM

"That nervous suffragist who wrote to ask if Mrs. Julia Ward Howe had been separated from her husband is a type of a large class of good people, who might be a little better. What they need to tone up their nerves and strengthen the weak knees . . . is a good dose of pure unadultered principle. They call themselves suffragists; but, with every breath of adverse opinion, their faith wavers. . . . All they need is thorough conviction of the right and the justice, not the expediency of woman suffrage. . . ."

"Suppose you try the methods of the mental science people in this matter? Go into a quiet room, sit down, close your eyes, and repeat to yourself: "Taxation without representation is tyranny." Say it over and over till the idea is fully assimilated. Then, when some one tells you that a woman out in Colorado sold her vote for a piece of chewing gum, or that some other woman does not darn her husband's stocking, or that Mary A. Livermore never made a loaf of bread in her life, just shut your eyes, ask yourself "What connection is there between this eternal truth and that petty bit of gossip?" If you have half as much sense as you ought to have, you will be able to answer yourself, "None whatever.""

"If every woman suffragist in the land were divorced from her husband, still "Taxation without representation is tyranny," and woman suffrage is right. If every woman suffragist were a poor housekeeper and a neglectful mother, still "Taxation without representation is tyranny," and woman suffrage is right. If all womanly loveliness were embodied in the remonstrants and all womanly unloveliness in the woman suffragist, still "Taxation without representation is tyranny," and woman suffrage is right. The eternal principles of truth and justice are to be our guides and not the fleeting circumstances that seem to confute these principles. . . ."

--Lida Calvert Obenchain

Source: The Woman's Journal (February 29, 1896)

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 5:59 PM

5:59 - thanks for reminding us, of the forest surrounding the trees.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 6:04 PM

Let them put anything on it they want. Then, when you find a DC quarter, just make sure you don't pull it aside, set it on the edge of another quarter, and don't whack it firmly in the middle with a hammer. Practice will give you the knack of how hard not to whack. Then it won't not work in vending machines. And you won't get any psychic satisfaction from all that not-whacking. ;-)

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 6:07 PM

... or even better, do NOT do that to all the OTHER "State" Quarters, either. ;-)

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 6:11 PM

Woman Suffrage was never controversial...that's why we can have the Susan B. Anthony Dollar

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 6:12 PM

Just power (ie LEGITIMATE power) derives from the "Consent of the Governed."

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 6:15 PM

...to be strictly just, [the authority of government] must have the sanction and consent of the governed.
It can have no pure right over my person and property but what I concede to it.

ATTRIBUTION:
Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 6:16 PM

I think a map of MD and VA with DC designated with a star in the middle. This will represent DC's position as the cultural, economic, and political center of the region (not to mention the only jurisdiction in the last year where home prices actually went UP). Get over yourselves MD and VA -- DC is tops.

Posted by: Anon | February 27, 2008 6:16 PM

It was not because the three-penny tax on tea was so exorbitant that our Revolutionary fathers fought and
died, but to establish the principle that such taxation was unjust. It is the same with this woman's revolution; though every law were as just to woman as to man, the principle that one class may usurp the
power to legislate for another is unjust, and all who are now in the struggle from love of principle would still work on until the establishment of the grand and
immutable truth, "All governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed."

ATTRIBUTION:
Susan B. Anthony (1820-1906)

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 6:16 PM

They should put Duke Ellington on the quarter.

Posted by: guitar_blue | February 27, 2008 6:18 PM

Voting for DC's Mayor and City Council is a lot like voting for Student Council in high school...vote all you want, but you KNOW that the REAL people in charge "in all cases whatsoever" are the Principal, the Superintendent and the School Board. [President and Congress] Nobody's fooled by the lame status quo.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 6:26 PM


Yah, well, you know, TRUTH just doesn't play well in Peoria.

Happy platitudes are what we need, of course.

How could the Mayor have missed that?


Posted by: Shoe | February 27, 2008 6:27 PM

There is no controversy. D.C. residents ARE taxed and NOT represented. The fact that members of Congress might be offended is the motivating factor. Congress may cut off funding for the Treasury Department. Unlikely, but could happen. The tobacco industry used to dispute the indisputable fact that cigarette smoking causes cancer and other health problems by calling the question "controversial." Baloney. Well, I guess Congress could make life difficult for the pusillanimous executives who run the Treasury Department. How about "Get Bent" on the coin?

Posted by: BlueTwo1 | February 27, 2008 6:28 PM

or just leave it perfectly blank...

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 6:28 PM

I thought English was our official language now.

Wouldn't that make "E Pluribus Unum" on the VA quarter controversial as well?

"Never codified by law, it was considered a de facto motto of the United States until 1956 when the United States Congress passed an act (H.J. Resolution 396), adopting In God We Trust as the official motto."

Posted by: English Lesson | February 27, 2008 6:45 PM

I'm fine with DC not having representation, but it would only make more sense if we would take away the representation that VA and MD has currently to make things all even. If constituents who live there object to losing their representation, they could always move and they too would enjoy the benefits of being governed by the remaining 48 collective states.

Posted by: George | February 27, 2008 6:45 PM

"or just leave it perfectly blank..."

Awesome, 6:28. A perfect, succinct symbolic protest. Without anything the spineless, unAmerican, Monarchist Mint officials could claim was "controversial".

A design summarizing the voting rights of District residents. Perfect.

Posted by: Appalled | February 27, 2008 6:51 PM

Retrocession rocks! The federal government owns buildings, parks, and land all over the country (just look at most of the West). Retrocede most of DC to Maryland except for the federal service area with no residents, establish a "Washington City" or "Columbia County" on par with Baltimore City and the other counties, and leave it at that. Our differences with Montgomery and Prince George's counties are culturally local-level, not state-level.

And I vote for the blank quarter. "District of Columbia" on the top, "1801" on the bottom, and nothing in the middle.

Posted by: Justin | February 27, 2008 6:55 PM

Sheesh, now I remember why I left DC.
DC shut up with the Taxation without Representation crap already. If it was not for the Federal part of DC, the city would be just another dead city,like most cities in Ohio or Michigan. They did not dredge the swamp to create a place to screw U.S. citizens out of representation, did they? I mean besides Dischord records and drug related violence, what other industries in DC are not related to the Federal Government in at least a peripheral way? Also, the Federal Government does not complain that DC collects a sales tax and ridiculously high "food" tax of 10% on federal property like the Smithsonian Museums. If you do not like it move, because the rest of the states are not letting this small city have 2 Senators. They will let NYC have two senators before DC. So maybe DC residents should focus on something else, like how the South East part of the city is LITERALLY a ghetto. Fix that and maybe we will talk about your represantation. As for my vote for the quarter: a straight edge X with the letters DCHC.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 6:56 PM

"How's this for a compromise? Since they won't give us DC residents representation, why don't they just quit making us pay federal income taxes? I'd rather have the vote, but no taxes would be second best!"

Hmmm... I'd take the money. I'll bet I'm not alone there. D.C. would become the richest city in the nation (by virtue of all the people who would move here to avoid taxes).

Posted by: Phil | February 27, 2008 6:57 PM

ENGLISH is the language of this blessed country! Get the Papist "E Pluribus Unum" off my money!

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 6:57 PM

I also would like a quarter with a picture of the mayor for life smoking crack saying B_____ set me up!

Posted by: Mr Smith | February 27, 2008 7:06 PM

"Let me give you a word of the philosophy of reform. The whole history of the progress of human liberty shows that all concessions yet made to her august claims, have been born of earnest struggle. The conflict has been exciting, agitating, all-absorbing, and for the time being, putting all other tumults to silence. It must do this or it does nothing. If there is no struggle there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightening. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters."

"This struggle may be a moral one, or it may be a physical one, and it may be both moral and physical, but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress. In the light of these ideas, Negroes will be hunted at the North, and held and flogged at the South so long as they submit to those devilish outrages, and make no resistance, either moral or physical. Men may not get all they pay for in this world; but they must certainly pay for all they get. If we ever get free from the oppressions and wrongs heaped upon us, we must pay for their removal. We must do this by labor, by suffering, by sacrifice, and if needs be, by our lives and the lives of others."

Frederick Douglass, 1857
Source: Douglass, Frederick. [1857] (1985). "The Significance of Emancipation in the West Indies." Speech, Canandaigua, New York, August 3, 1857; collected in pamphlet by author. In The Frederick Douglass Papers. Series One: Speeches, Debates, and Interviews. Volume 3: 1855-63. Edited by John W. Blassingame. New Haven: Yale University Press, p. 204.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 7:07 PM

How about "Buck Fush" as the tag line for the DC quarter?

Posted by: Cee | February 27, 2008 7:07 PM

Since D.C. isn't using "Taxation Without Representation" can we in the Montgomery section of the grossly gerrymandered 4th district have it?

P.S. Why does the Post make a big deal of the gerrymandering in Texas (not their local area) and Virginia but not notice the insane gerrymandering in Maryland. Could it be because the Maryland gerrymandering helps the "good" party?

Posted by: Rich | February 27, 2008 7:13 PM

It should say "The First Lady Lost Here!"

Hillary will LOZE

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 7:15 PM

"What to DC Is The Fourth of July?"

with full credit to Frederick Douglass.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4h2927t.html

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 7:20 PM

Here's my suggestion for a DC motto:

"No taxation without representation -- just send your taxes directly to Harriette Walters co/o Nieman Marcus!"

Posted by: Washington Dame | February 27, 2008 7:28 PM

Here's my suggestion for a DC motto:

"No taxation without representation -- just send your taxes directly to Harriette Walters co/o Nieman Marcus!"

Posted by: Washington Dame | February 27, 2008 7:28 PM

"6. That elections of members to serve as representatives of the people, in assembly, ought to be free; and that all men, having sufficient evidence of permanent common interest with, and attachment to, the community have the right of suffrage, and cannot be taxed or deprived of their property for publick uses without their own consent, or that of their representatives so elected, nor bound by any law to which they have not, in like manner, assented, for the publick good."

From the Virginia Bill of Rights, June 1775 Author: George Mason, mentor to Jefferson and Madison

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 7:28 PM

"6. That elections of members to serve as representatives of the people, in assembly, ought to be free; and that all men, having sufficient evidence of permanent common interest with, and attachment to, the community have the right of suffrage, and cannot be taxed or deprived of their property for publick uses without their own consent, or that of their representatives so elected, nor bound by any law to which they have not, in like manner, assented, for the publick good."

From the Virginia Bill of Rights, June 1776 Author: George Mason, mentor to Jefferson and Madison

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 7:28 PM

"6. That elections of members to serve as representatives of the people, in assembly, ought to be free; and that all men, having sufficient evidence of permanent common interest with, and attachment to, the community have the right of suffrage, and cannot be taxed or deprived of their property for publick uses without their own consent, or that of their representatives so elected, nor bound by any law to which they have not, in like manner, assented, for the publick good."

From the Virginia Bill of Rights, June 1776 Author: George Mason, mentor to Jefferson and Madison

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 7:29 PM

How DC is Organized and Operated*

"...the [Congress] organizes the [District], but leaves a sufficient margin of liberty to the individual; the latter is deprived of all useless and possibly harmful freedom, but retains what is essential; the deciding power in this question cannot be the individual, but the [Congress] alone...."


*The above quote is taken directly from a definition in the 1932 Italian Encyclopedia. entitled "Fascism", (written by Benito Mussolini, and very slightly paraphrased here). Note: Where [Congress] appears in this text, Mussolini's original version used "Fascist State", and where [District] appears in this text, Mussolini's original version used "nation". Otherwise the phrasing is identical.... Food for thought?

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 7:31 PM

So much ignorance from D.C. haters on this thread. Wale should do a song about what should be on the quarter.

Posted by: Lindemann | February 27, 2008 7:32 PM

...says Uncle Sam, the Vote-Nazi:

"No vote for YOU!"

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 7:32 PM

"15. That no free government, or the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality, and virtue, and by frequent recurrence to fundamental principles."

From the Virginia Bill of Rights, June 1776 Author: George Mason, mentor to Jefferson and Madison

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 7:35 PM

"I believe that we should remove the last barriers which stand between millions of our people and their birthright. There can be no justifiable reason for discrimination because of ancestry, or religion, or race, or color." [or ZIP CODE?]

"I believe that to inspire the people of the world whose freedom is in jeopardy, and to restore hope to those who have already lost their civil liberties, we must correct the remaining imperfections in our own democracy."

"We know the way -- we only need the will."

Harry Truman

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4555422

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 7:38 PM


"...[Congress], with an army to enforce [its] tyranny, has declared that [it] has a right (not only to TAX) but "to BIND us in ALL CASES WHATSOEVER," and if being bound in that manner, is not slavery, then is there not such a thing as slavery upon earth. Even the expression is impious; for so unlimited a power can belong only to God."

Slightly paraphrased from
"The American Crisis: Number One"
by Thomas Paine
(December 23, 1776)

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 7:41 PM

When my great great great--- relative, Col. Ninian Beall gave the land that is now most if not all of DC, PG, Charles, and portions of St. Mary's, they were growing corn on what is now the mall. DC barely expanded to include Ledroit Park. Had they known back then what DC would become, I am sure they would have amended DC rule. If Hillary or Obama want to change Washington, how about righting a wrong? I think those of you who say "you can move" don't consider family history-- or you are all mad that some of us bought in Logan circle in the 80's for 29k and have houses worth a nice 500k ;-)

Posted by: DCav8r | February 27, 2008 7:51 PM

worked in D.C. for a number of years,


I was always struck by how selfish Congress was about affording D.C. to be a world class city.


It would take very little time to make Washington D.C. an affordable, livable paradise for everyone there with a little thoughtful action.

Dave Chapelle is absolutely right that the blacks and immigrants live in completely different worlds from the beltway bandits...


why isn't the Nation's Capitol a more hospitable place ???


I worked with a black guy that lives in D.C. when I was in my twenties and he was in his 60's, and he told me that blacks had to go to the back door of a restaurant in Washington D.C. during the early 60's to get service. And drink from "blacks only," water fountains...

no one walks unprotected in all parts of D.C. at night, and that stinks...


it says something about our country, and the people currently misusing it

.


.

Posted by: having | February 27, 2008 7:56 PM

This could be all in our favor, we disenfranchised residents of the District of Columbia.

Mayor Fenty, on our behalf, should submit a new proposal, something more direct: "No taxation without representation."

This phrase if of course not all that different than what was already rejected, but it is different.

This phrase harkens back, and is precisely identifical to the phrase used during our mythical, revolutionary era, when it was patriotic and decidely non-controversial (at least from the American point of view) to espouse the view that no citizen should pay a state unless he (no need to be clear here about "he or she") could vote for a representative of the legislative body politic that imposed the tax.

The phrase was, er, coined by the Reverened Johnathan Mayhew (according to Wikipedia, so please trust and verify accordingly) in 1750 and became a rallying cry of the ensuing American Revolution. "No Taxation Without Representation" is as non-controversial as "Don't Tread On Me."

If they reject both of those, we could move on to "Give Me Liberty or Death" and then finally to "Ok, Just Gimme a Quarter" and then to "Can You Spare Some Change For Shat-Upon DC" followed by "We're Going To Sue Your Fed Asses in the United Nations."

The Mint will lose by winning. By then President Bush will be out of office and perhaps saner minds will considerable our modest proposal.

No Taxation Without Representation.

Posted by: P Street Resident | February 27, 2008 7:58 PM

Apalled:
As far as I know it wasn't Saddam in 9-11, it was Osama. But you may think whatever you want and, as you say, keep the ignorance rolling.

Posted by: sorrydude | February 27, 2008 8:01 PM

The rejection of the District's submission for its state quarter because "Changing how the District of Columbia (the Seat of Government of the United States) is represented in Congress is a contemporary political issue on which there presently is no national consensus and over which reasonable minds differ." ignores the fact that this is an historical injustice that has been allowed to fester for over 200-years.

The phrase does not ask for, or demand, statehood, it merely makes a historical point. The U.S. Mint could have taken the phrase to mean that D.C. residents don't want to pay federal taxes. There is still vigorous debate within Washington, D.C. over whether we should be pushing for: (1) no federal taxes; (2) full Congressional representation; (3) full statehood, or; (4) a return to Maryland.

Six states, in their state mottos, refer to God or the Deity: (1) Arizona - "God Enriches"; (2) Colorado - "Nothing Without Deity"; (3) Florida - "In God We Trust"; (4) Kentucky - "Let Us Be Grateful To God"; (5) Ohio - "With God, All Things Are Possible", and; (6) South Dakota - "Under God The People Rule."

In addition, the U.S. Government uses "In God We Trust" on its printed currency and also on its coinage. I believe that the issue of the use of God on American currency, given that this country still harbors large sectors of it population that believes that their God is all powerful, and that all others are false gods, is still a contentious issue.

This is certainly a contemporary political issue, religion, on which there presently is no national consensus and over which reasonable minds differ. If D.C. cannot have its state quarter with its selected "Taxation Without Representation", then, perhaps, "In God We Trust" should be removed from all American currency.

Eight states use their state mottos on their state quarters: (1) "Pennsylvania - Virtue, Liberty, Independence"; (2) Georgia - "Wisdom, Justice, Moderation"; (3) New Hampshire - "Live Free or Die"; (4) Vermont - "Freedom and Unity"; (5) Indiana - "Crossroad of America"; (6) Wisconsin - "Forward"; (7) Idaho - "Esto Perpetua" ("Let It Be Forever"), and; (8) Hawaii - "Ua Mau, Ke Ea Oka, Aina I Ka Pono" ("life of the land is perpetuated in righteousness"). A ninth state, Wyoming uses a variation "The Equality State" of its state motto, "Equal Rights." Virginia's state motto is "Sic semper tyrannis" (Thus Always to Tyrants). D.C. continues to be subjected to the tyranny of the many against the few and the powerless.

In addition two other states use historical political statements on their state quarters: (1) New Jersey - "Crossroad of the Revolution", and; (2) New York - "Gateway to Freedom." D.C.'s motto is "Justitia Omnibus" - "Justice For All." If New Hampshire's motto, "Live Free or Die" is appropriate for its state quarter, then there is no reason that D.C.'s official submission of "Taxation Without Representation" should be even questioned, let alone summarily rejected.

One of the design guidelines is: "Consistent with the authorizing legislation, the states are encouraged to submit designs that promote the diffusion of knowledge among the youth of the United States about the state, its history and geography, and the rich diversity of our national heritage." The Constitution and the Bill of Rights provides all United States citizens, even residents of Washington, D.C. with Freedom of Speech, and a right to petition the government to redress grievances. D.C. is merely trying to practice the Democracy that we are being denied.

The lack of representation in the world's greatest Democracy is one of the most glaring contradictions and hypocrisies that the rest of the world duly notes whenever the U.S. Government preaches to other nations about their less than democratic practices. D.C. is oftentimes called "The Last Colony" because of its lack of representation.

The placing of the phrase "Taxation Without Representation" on the District's state quarter will be a great reminder of the Founding Father's unfinished business and excessively funded mandate, and a fantastic lesson for American children, and adults, about the continued inequitable treatment of the residents of the nation's capital. If we don't practice Democracy at home, why should our allies and adversaries give any credence to our suggestions and interference in their internal affairs?

If the U.S. Mint's rejection the District's submission of "Taxation Without Representation" is not overturned, then the District should submit its current motto "Justice For All" or "The Last Colony" in its stead.

Posted by: Alvin C. Frost | February 27, 2008 8:09 PM

So what would the District say if Virginia put "The South Will Rise Again" on their quarter?

Posted by: WJS | February 27, 2008 8:16 PM

Well for starters, Virginia has only been aggrieved for what, 143 years?

DC has been aggrieved for 207.

Get in line... ;-)

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 8:20 PM

I've spoken to quite a few Brits lately, and they've unanimously assured me that they find "Taxation Without Representation" no longer controversial.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 8:25 PM

DC has 535+ congressman and does little more than suck at the federal tit. It shouldn't have a quarter at all.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 8:27 PM

Read it again - it's pretty clear that Appalled is being sarcastic.

Posted by: to sorrydude | February 27, 2008 8:29 PM

I am not suprised by the Mint's action.

These type of topics bring out the white racists in Maryland, Virginia, and the rest of the country. RACISM IS STILL ALIVE AND WELL IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Posted by: Ward 4 DC Resident | February 27, 2008 8:36 PM

"Extreme cases of oppression justify... a resort to the original right of resistance, a right belonging to every community, under every form of Government..."
James Madison, Letter to N. P. Trist, December, 1831 (Madison, 1865, IV, page 206)

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 8:39 PM

A More Perfect Union...
(A quick synopsis of American History in roughly 50 year intervals)

c. 1770 All men are created equal - no kings, no aristocracy...

- - - 1787 ........Oh, yeah, and non-whites are equal...to three-fifths of whites.
........ Yeah, and man means MAN...GROWN man!
......... And the people who live in that new capital district don't get no say whatsoever.

1820 OK, non-white men are EQUAL! But we didn't say they could VOTE!

1870 ALL RIGHT! Non-white men can VOTE, then! But nobody said WOMEN could!

1920 All RIGHT, ALREADY! Women can VOTE! But MEN means GROWN men. Over 21!

1970 Awww, Sheesh! A man's a man at 18, then! Girls, too! But not those weirdos who live in DC!

2020 ...????...

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 8:47 PM

Hidden Cancer

"Bad principles in a Govt. tho slow are sure in their operation and will gradually destroy it."

Alexander Hamilton, as reported by Jas. Madison
June
18, 1787

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 8:49 PM

Universal Suffrage - Sovereignty of the People

"When a nation modifies the elective qualification, it may easily be foreseen that sooner or later that qualification will be entirely abolished. There is no more invariable rule in the history of society: the farther electoral rights are extended, the more is felt the need of extending them; for after each concession the strength of the democracy increases, and its demands increase with its strength. The ambition of those who are below the appointed rate is irritated in exact proportion to the great number of those who are above it. The exception at last becomes the rule, concession follows concession, and no stop can be made short of universal suffrage."
Democracy in America, Alexis de Toqueville, 1835

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 8:51 PM

"Equal laws protecting equal rights -- the best guarantee of loyalty and love of country."
James Madison, letter to Jacob de la Motta, August 1820

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 8:52 PM

We hold some truths to be self-evident,
We hold some rights to be inalienable, inherent, intrinsic, innate ...
immutable.

One such truth is this:

Just Power over a Free People is derived from the Consent of the Governed.

Power not so derived is inherently unjust.
People not so governed are intrinsically un-free.

The right of the free citizens of a democracy
to grant or deny their consent
to the laws under which they must live
is a right, and a power,
that is inalienably, inherently, intrinsically
innately their own.

A free people cannot abdicate their responsibility,
cannot delegate their consent to others,
cannot allow themselves to be controlled
"in all cases whatsoever," and still remain free.

As our forefathers warned their British brethren,
any attempt to exercise such power,
or to allow it to be exercised,
without their active input,
without their continuing and explicit consent,
constitutes dependence, subjugation, and yes, slavery.

To govern a people in such a manner means that,
inherently, intrinsically,
that people is not free.

The right of a free people
to consent to the power that governs them
cannot be given away by their forbears,
nor can it be assumed away by their fellow citizens.
In that right, in that power of consent, granted or withheld,
is the essence of their freedom.

No more than race, gender, or age, or other inherent qualities,
neither can the location or the zip code of citizens' dwellings
be a legitimate delimiter or qualifier
of those citizens' innate rights to grant or deny consent
to the laws under which they must live.

Even though unexercised and denied,
yet the inherent right to grant or withhold consent
is the only means available
to justify and legitimize power over a free people.

Just power over a free people flows only from the people themselves,
and is justified by the people's active, continuing consent, freely given.

Powers not granted to those governing
by the consent of those governed
are reserved to the people.

Power not consented to by a free people lacks legitimacy.
When the right to grant or deny that consent is suppressed,
when power is exercised in the absence of such consent,
to the extent that such power is imposed,
that power is inherently unjust and illegitimate.

Nothing can be said or done by the various parties to change that fact.

No contracts, no codicils, no covenants, no compromises, no compacts, no congresses, no constitutions, even, that incorporate such provisions as
"exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever" over a people,
while denying those same people representation,
thus denying them even the opportunity
to either grant or withhold their consent...
none of these can be a legitimate means
for the exercise of power over a free people.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 8:56 PM

You can't represent DC because DC doesn't really exist. It's a little piece of land that mostly consists of ignorami which is only on the map because it is surrounded by federal government agencies. When are we reminded that there is a DC? Roy Pearson? Marion Barry?

Posted by: Keeping It Real | February 27, 2008 9:01 PM

Just imagine...

that both your state and your local community were completely controlled by outsiders,
from far away....

that any decision your state and local elected leaders made could be vetoed by those same outsiders, from far away...

that your state and local elected leaders couldn't even spend your own local tax money without those same outsiders' permission...

that you had no Senators to represent your interests...

that your delegate to congress, alone among the 435 others, was not allowed to vote...

that when decisions were made about national affairs, you, your state, and your community had no voice, and no vote...

that your own state and local leaders were even forbidden, by those same outsiders from far away, from spending your own local money to propose a change to this situation...

and, that those same outsiders from far away could even ABOLISH your own state and local elected leadership, and run things themselves, whenever they chose, without your consent...


Congratulations!

You've just imagined how the over half a million ordinary Americans who are day to day residents of Washington DC are forced to live!

But is this really how a democracy should work...?

Should Congress (or anyone else) have the power to rule "in all cases whatsoever" over "free" American citizens, when those "free" Americans have no say whatsoever?

Does "just" power really derive from "the consent of the governed"?

Can you really be called "free" if someone rules over you "in all cases whatsoever", and you have no say whatsoever?

If someone rules over you "in all cases whatsoever," isn't that really called... "slavery"?

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 9:02 PM

For the D.C. quarter, I suggest an image of a typical D.C. public school classroom (leaking ceiling, broken desks, broken windows with wire mesh on them, etc.) and the following inscription:


Were proud to be ou're Nations capitol

Posted by: Myself | February 27, 2008 9:10 PM

I realize that many residents of the district want a Congressman - however what will that do for them personally? Most Congressmen only care about their campaign contributors and to be honest such representation is not going to mean anything to them personally.

Posted by: Hi | February 27, 2008 9:15 PM

The sloagan should be: "Come to DC. Smell the bannas!"

Posted by: w2raustin | February 27, 2008 9:17 PM

I think you meant bananas, but the thought is right. DC is a Banana Republic with the plantation owner being the Federal Government.

And BTW: The rest of the country is not "proud" of DC!"

In fact, west of the Potomac DC is a bad joke and embarrassment!

Posted by: mdcitizen | February 27, 2008 9:23 PM

Quote: "Although volume upon volume is written to prove slavery a very good thing, we never hear of the man who wishes to take the good of it by being a slave himself" -- Abraham Lincoln

Nor do we hear of any offers by Americans outside of DC to permanently relinquish their Congressman and Senators; neither do we hear any offers to "lend" the representation of a Congressman or Senator entirely to the interests of the unrepresented denizens of DC for an extended period.

But it MUST be a good thing for DC to go unrepresented, though, because it says so in the Constitution, right? So why examine the idea critically by weighing the pros and cons, or by examining the motivations of those who created the situation, or by considering the moral consequences of egregiously violating the very "first principles" upon which the nation is founded ?

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 9:23 PM

Didn't you guys know this before you moved here!

In any case, the solution is simple: Give DC back to MD. VA took back it's part a long time ago.

If we just give back the rest of DC to MD, everybody gets their vote and representation!

Issue over!

Posted by: mdcitizen | February 27, 2008 9:30 PM

people..wake up and get educated!..TODAY if possible!

Posted by: HBCU Student | February 27, 2008 9:34 PM

There'll be someone new in the White House soon; why not wait?

Even though Democrats appear to be set on loosing to another Republican (by electing an unvetted candidate), McCain may not be an idiot on this issue.

Posted by: Ronnie | February 27, 2008 9:37 PM

The Mint should not, and probably did not, elect to make this quarter because the slogan, regardless of your opinion of DC statehood or voting rights, is slanderous.

DC residents have representation. They vote for US President, with more than three times the voter-for-voter voice of the rest of the country. (N.B. DC gets 3 electoral votes for its 500,000 residents or 1 vote per 167,000 residents; the rest of the nation gets 535 EVs for 300 million residents, or 1 vote per 565,000 residents.)

Asking the Federal government to slander itself is not only unrealistic, it's unethical. That's DC for you.

Posted by: The Angry One | February 27, 2008 9:41 PM

mdcitizen said:

"And BTW: The rest of the country is not "proud" of DC!"

In fact, west of the Potomac DC is a bad joke and embarrassment!"

oh, yeah, the rest of you are so high and might and snow-driven pure...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_scandals_of_the_United_States#State_and_local-level_scandals

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 9:43 PM

Hot Air Capital of the World

Posted by: Jim Tierney | February 27, 2008 9:43 PM

Why not a parking meter maid cussing you out as she sticks you with a ticket?

or exploding manhole covers in Georgetown?

or a crane and a sign saying sidewalk closed?

or 50,000,000.00 for the latest fraud?

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 9:45 PM

if DC can't even govern themselves to pick a decent design for a 25 cent coin, how can they govern themselves or expect representation in the House.

Put a cherry blossom on it and call it done.

Posted by: kiss my blossom | February 27, 2008 9:50 PM

I think that the lessons learned in D.C. can be embodied in a simple motivational inscription on the D.C. quarter:

"Vote Where You Can".

Posted by: Monger | February 27, 2008 9:50 PM

Monger: I love it!

Posted by: mdcitizen | February 27, 2008 9:52 PM

LEAVE IT BLANK! Folks,think about it: they won't let us use a specific, legit patriotic slogan, why should we let the Mint make our quarter all prettified and touristy? LEAVE IT BLANK! Maybe "Washington, DC" at the bottom so people know which quarter it is, but even without that, people would wonder, "hey, what kind of quarter is that one with the smooth, shiny side?" After a while, word would spread about the dispute between DC and the Mint, and why. We go unrepresented in Congress, let's go unrepresented on the quarter!

Posted by: JN | February 27, 2008 9:53 PM

slander (definition -(from nolo.com)

"A type of defamation. Slander is an untruthful oral (spoken) statement about a person that harms the person's reputation or standing in the community."

A> It isn't oral, it's printed in a coin.
B> It is a statement of fact. Each American from whatever state has five national officeholders representing his/her interests: President, Vice-President, Congressman, and two Senators -- except for DC, which has only two of those five national officeholder representatives. Even non-whites did a little better in the original Constitution, being counted for representation purposes as three-fifths of a white person. [truth-in-disclosure-I'm white].

And Wyoming does even better than DC, having 1 EV per 156,666 residents. Are you gonna "fix" that?

It's not really our Congress, we have no votes; they aren't really our courts, we've had no opportunity to consent to either the Judges, the Justices OR the Laws; it's not even really our Constitution, since we've had no say in Amendments 12-27. But it IS our country, and we aren't going ANYWHERE.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 10:01 PM

Just table the quarter until it says truthfully, "Finally Represented"

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 10:07 PM

"How's this for a compromise? Since they won't give us DC residents representation, why don't they just quit making us pay federal income taxes? I'd rather have the vote, but no taxes would be second best!"

I'd be all for that. Of course, no taxes means that neither D.C. nor its residents would get any federal money. For anything. No money for transportation, no welfare, no social security, no military protection, etc.

Because for every $1 DC residents give in federal taxes, they get back about $6. (http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/266.html).

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 10:08 PM

How about "Value your Vote"

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 10:10 PM

Astonishingly stupid arguments against DC voting rights. "You choose to live there; it's the seat of government." etc. Can a single one of you explain why it's a good thing not to practice democracy in our nation's capital?!

Posted by: DC | February 27, 2008 10:11 PM

hey, 10:08 PM

That is a static analysis. Just wait til Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, George Soros and the like all move to DC to escape Federal Income tax...Things will be different...

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 10:13 PM

Guys -

Why is this so hard?

Just cede DC to MD, VA or the state of your choice and we are done!

I know folk will raise issues re common interests. However, the rest of the country has to deal with this: ElPaso has more in common with NM than TX; Beaumont, TX with Louisiana! State lines are arbitratry. Get over it!

Over!

Posted by: mdcitizen | February 27, 2008 10:14 PM

just another slap to district residents. screw the mint - just more republicant pr1cks who see the capitol's chosen slogan as a slap against their ideological hatred of government.

Posted by: corbett | February 27, 2008 10:22 PM

OK -

All the "seat of government" and "the nations capital", just means that the reps (Senators and Congresspersons), and the administration de jour come here to work.

It does not convey any unique entitlements to the "camp followers" that come along for the ride.

Just chaange the laws to let the "camp followers" vote in MD or VA.

There is no way that the rest of the country will let DC have 2 Senate votes plus congressional representation.

You might as well say that Houston, NYC, LA, or any other big metro area be granted state status.

Why do you think DC is unique?

Posted by: mdcitizen | February 27, 2008 10:31 PM

How about the line from a C&W tune:

"Here's a quarter. Call someone who cares."?

Or maybe the lyrics of Chuck Brown:

"Master Card, Visa, American Express. Got nothin' against no credit cards, but cash is the best."

Posted by: Mister Methane | February 27, 2008 10:42 PM

OK 10:13 PM, let's look at your wonderfully dynamic analysis. Since DC would no longer be receiving federal funds, how would the current bloated infrastructure maintain itself? The money wouldn't just fall from the sky. So from where would it come? How about a huge jump in local taxes, i.e. sales tax, city income taxes, corporate taxes, etc. You would simply be paying DC instead of the federal government. And we all know how well the DC government does with spending money wisely. Yeah, that sounds really appealing for the likes of Gates, Buffet, etc.

Dynamic enough for ya?

Posted by: Anonymous | February 27, 2008 10:42 PM

One more thing for the "you choose to live there..."

What about saying to the thousands of laid off people in the Midwest "well, it's your fault, you chose to live there"
or saying to any state that has ANY BIG PROBLEM that it's their fault for living there.

The BASIC IDEA IS THAT WE WANT TO MAKE THE SITUATION BETTER. Some people don't run away from a problem, they try to fix it.

Posted by: John Adams | February 27, 2008 10:49 PM

What about a picture of a chicken wing and a paper bag with a 40 OZ bottle of Malt Liquor sticking out, with the inscription "Bro--can you afford a quarter?"

Posted by: al from Farfax | February 27, 2008 11:19 PM

D.C. should mint parking meter tokens that are the same size and weight as quarters, and put the "Taxation Without Representation" slogan on them. They'll quickly achieve the same level of acceptance for all transactions as regular quarters. Problem solved.

Posted by: Solution | February 27, 2008 11:21 PM

Way to shoot the messenger. Assuming you can read, and knowing the DC school system that is assuming a lot, you would see that I gave honest answers as why most of the country doesn't give a darn if DC can vote. I didn't say that the reasons were correct or not, just that they were some of the main reasons.

Politics have never been about being fair and you can't get a much more political issue than senators and representatives for a specific party. Anyone who tells you that they think the nation or the political system should be able rise above this is crazy. I would bet my life savings that if the situation was reversed and democrats stood to lose two seats in the senate and one for the house, both sides would do a complete flip flop on the position. Neither of these sides have any morals.

Neither side really cares about the individual anymore. Both sides are beholden to special interests, be it unions, or businesses. The only question left is which special interest do you agree with more. Even those of us who have representatives and senators have only the slimest representation. Regardless of what the campaign speeches say, virtually no one in this country has representation, outside of those who are attached to big lobbying groups (and those run on both sides, don't kid yourself that one is better than the other).

Posted by: Jon | February 27, 2008 11:28 PM

who it was in "9-11"


was bush and the Saudis...

there are direct connections to the current president by fraud of "these United States of AMERICA," the saudis


and the collapse of the WTC like a bad Las Vegas demolition...

there are multiple lines of connection. not that that has a lot to do with D.C. getting fair representation. I do abhor ignorance


especially, if it's misrepresentation of a purposeful sort,


as we the people have had to put up with since 2000,

we pay the bills, not those little bow legged shunts of dishonesty....


and why are they bowlegged????


SEARCH on Jeff Gannon, George W. Bush, Victor Ashe, Ken Mehlman, Karl Rove, gay

maybe not from riding horses.

.

Posted by: actually | February 27, 2008 11:59 PM

10;42:

It's pretty simple. DC would pass a commuter tax, like most other cities are allowed to do. Then we'd start taxing 'non-profits' like Fannie Mae.

The GAO has repeatedly shown that the Fed presence does not pay it's own way - that there is a fiscal structural imbalance caused by the Feds.

Yes, of course DC wouldn't be much without the Feds. But, honestly, neither would NOVA or suburban MD. And NOVA and suburban MD literally have nothing with the Feds.

Posted by: Hillman | February 28, 2008 12:11 AM

Ah, the old "DC gets $6 from the Feds for every $1 in taxes."

Please, folks. Show a bit of common sense. The considerable majority of that $6 is clearly for running the federal government - maintaining the Mall, the Congress, the White House, the massive federal police forces, the Smithsonian museums, even running Walter Reed hospital facilities, etc.

That $6 isn't going to the DC government or local citizens. It's going mostly to run that Federal government. And for normal obligations like social security payments, military retirement benefits (DC has a huge military retirement community), etc.

Posted by: Hillman | February 28, 2008 12:15 AM

District residents have been politically oppressed from the outset. Their plight is similar to the Palestinians. How can we have a home country when we aren't even recognized in Congress? DC residents are reduced to subjects, wards of the Federal Government. It's the most bizarre situation imaginable in the United States. I think that Statehood would be the most equitable solution. For those of you who complain about the relative size of the District rating two Senators and a Congressman should look at Wyoming and Alaska, they are even less populated, but they have representation.

As far as the Quarter goes, I like the idea of a blank reverse, or maybe the simple phrase: "Free The District". Personally, I find the slogan "In god we trust" an offensive violation of the separation clause of the First Amendment. Maybe they could insist it be struck in 90% Silver, like all quarters used to be, They could be marketed well in excess of face value, and would be a real collectors item. If you really want to create controversy, put a swastika on the reverse inside a circle with a slash through it, with no other wording or imagery, involved. Alternatively, a peace sign would be intriguing as well.

Posted by: Four oF Nine | February 28, 2008 1:32 AM

-- ENGLISH is the language of this blessed country! Get the Papist "E Pluribus Unum" off my money! --

Wow, ok, first of all the USA on a federal level does NOT have any official language at all. Only individual states have declared official langauges and even then only around 28 to 30 have done so. English is only a de facto national language but is in no way shape or form legislated at the federal level.

Second of all "E Pluribus Unum" means "One of many", it has nothing to do with religion. In fact, I remember learning that as early as first or second grade. What you said up there seems to me like the cry of someone who's so fervently anti-Catholic they're making the same kinds of ignorant inaccuracies and mistakes that zealous, hardliner, religious nut-jobs on the opposite side of the spectrum make. That or you don't know what "Papist" means. But that's my own personal opinion.

Third, regardless of your stance in the politics of representation from DC, the phrase "Taxation Without Representation" Has a long history in and associated with the USA. Just like "E Pluribus Unum" or "In God We Trust", though controversial, also has a long history with the US too. Their histories are part of what make them mottos in the modern day. It is not necessarily an indictment on congress by the people of DC. Can both sides use it that way if it were to pass? Absolutely, but doing so divorces the motto from it's historical context, and in doing so it becomes meaningless

Posted by: Anonymous | February 28, 2008 1:44 AM

ummm, 1:44 AM, this is "E pluribus unum".

Sarcasm, n. (get it?)

But thanks for making my point. Oh and it's Papist because it uses Latin, get it? Just as intelligent as the "marry 'n bury" "joke(r)s" around here. Just for once I wish an opponent of DC equal voting and representation would come up with a cogent, thoughtful, original point. But I realize that's hard, 'cause there just aren't many, if any.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 28, 2008 5:28 AM


Solution 11:21 PM,

I like that! Bears repeating!
So here it is again... ;-)

"D.C. should mint parking meter tokens that are the same size and weight as quarters, and put the "Taxation Without Representation" slogan on them. They'll quickly achieve the same level of acceptance for all transactions as regular quarters. Problem solved."

Posted by: Anonymous | February 28, 2008 5:38 AM

md citizen says:
"Just cede DC to MD, VA or the state of your choice and we are done!"

This DC citizen would find that acceptable. Now since we citizens in DC have no vote, why don't YOU, mdcitizen, get that done!

(Oh, and I find Wyoming to be the best state to "adopt" DC. For a variety of reasons).

But better yet, let's just make Wyoming the national capital. We only have to change the "ten mile square" part...nope, not even the "square" part, they are ALREADY square. ;-)

Or maybe just "take me to St. Louis" and make IT the capital.

'Course, that would mean that residents of St. Louis and it's environs would lose their vote...but I'm sure they wouldn't mind, being all patriotic and such.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 28, 2008 5:47 AM

Jon 11:28 PM

I for one was educated in Wisconsin, so your unnecessary
comment about the DC school system misses the mark. I was taught, in Wisconsin, that statements like the Virginia Bill of Rights actually meant something, and weren't "just words."

You get the representation you vote for. Got nobody to blame but yourselves. Those of us in DC, on the other hand, have every right to blame you...ALL of y'all.

Oh, and in your sentence below...
"Even those of us who have representatives and senators have only the slimest representation."
Just for curiousity, did you mean "slimmest", or "slimiest"...

Just Curious ;-)

Posted by: Anonymous | February 28, 2008 6:03 AM

"Cynthia Vitelli, assistant director of external relations for the Mint, invites the District to submit new ideas for the coin's design."

Wonder who elected her? "Government of the Cynthia Vitellis, by the Cynthia Vitellis, and for the Cynthia Vitellis?" ... and where are the brave folks who insisted she put her name on the letter?

Posted by: Anonymous | February 28, 2008 6:10 AM

The suggestion that a blank be used is the best I've read so far. I think one side should be blank and the other have a large DC and the date underneath. And for all the bloggers who live elsewhere and like to mention controversial past mayors, tell me where were the controversial politicians(senators and house of rep. members) from? Not DC.

Posted by: BH -- DC native and PROUD of it | February 28, 2008 7:40 AM

The rejection of the District's submission for its state quarter because "Changing how the District of Columbia (the Seat of Government of the United States) is represented in Congress is a contemporary political issue on which there presently is no national consensus and over which reasonable minds differ." ignores the fact that this is an historical injustice that has been allowed to fester for over 200-years.

The phrase does not ask for, or demand, statehood, it merely makes a historical point. The U.S. Mint could have taken the phrase to mean that D.C. residents don't want to pay federal taxes. There is still vigorous debate within Washington, D.C. over whether we should be pushing for: (1) no federal taxes; (2) full Congressional representation; (3) full statehood, or; (4) a return to Maryland.

Six states, in their state mottos, refer to God or the Deity: (1) Arizona - "God Enriches"; (2) Colorado - "Nothing Without Deity"; (3) Florida - "In God We Trust"; (4) Kentucky - "Let Us Be Grateful To God"; (5) Ohio - "With God, All Things Are Possible", and; (6) South Dakota - "Under God The People Rule."

In addition, the U.S. Government uses "In God We Trust" on its printed currency and also on its coinage. I believe that the issue of the use of God on American currency, given that this country still harbors large sectors of it population that believes that their God is all powerful, and that all others are false gods, is still a contentious issue.

This is certainly a contemporary political issue, religion, on which there presently is no national consensus and over which reasonable minds differ. If D.C. cannot have its state quarter with its selected "Taxation Without Representation", then, perhaps, "In God We Trust" should be removed from all American currency.

Eight states use their state mottos on their state quarters: (1) "Pennsylvania - Virtue, Liberty, Independence"; (2) Georgia - "Wisdom, Justice, Moderation"; (3) New Hampshire - "Live Free or Die"; (4) Vermont - "Freedom and Unity"; (5) Indiana - "Crossroad of America"; (6) Wisconsin - "Forward"; (7) Idaho - "Esto Perpetua" ("Let It Be Forever"), and; (8) Hawaii - "Ua Mau, Ke Ea Oka, Aina I Ka Pono" ("life of the land is perpetuated in righteousness"). A ninth state, Wyoming uses a variation "The Equality State" of its state motto, "Equal Rights." Virginia's state motto is "Sic semper tyrannis" (Thus Always to Tyrants). D.C. continues to be subjected to the tyranny of the many against the few and the powerless.

In addition two other states use historical political statements on their state quarters: (1) New Jersey - "Crossroad of the Revolution", and; (2) New York - "Gateway to Freedom." D.C.'s motto is "Justitia Omnibus" - "Justice For All." If New Hampshire's motto, "Live Free or Die" is appropriate for its state quarter, then there is no reason that D.C.'s official submission of "Taxation Without Representation" should be even questioned, let alone summarily rejected.

One of the design guidelines is: "Consistent with the authorizing legislation, the states are encouraged to submit designs that promote the diffusion of knowledge among the youth of the United States about the state, its history and geography, and the rich diversity of our national heritage." The Constitution and the Bill of Rights provides all United States citizens, even residents of Washington, D.C. with Freedom of Speech, and a right to petition the government to redress grievances. D.C. is merely trying to practice the Democracy that we are being denied.

The lack of representation in the world's greatest Democracy is one of the most glaring contradictions and hypocrisies that the rest of the world duly notes whenever the U.S. Government preaches to other nations about their less than democratic practices. D.C. is oftentimes called "The Last Colony" because of its lack of representation.

The placing of the phrase "Taxation Without Representation" on the District's state quarter will be a great reminder of the Founding Father's unfinished business and excessively funded mandate, and a fantastic lesson for American children, and adults, about the continued inequitable treatment of the residents of the nation's capital. If we don't practice Democracy at home, why should our allies and adversaries give any credence to our suggestions and interference in their internal affairs?

If the U.S. Mint's rejection the District's submission of "Taxation Without Representation" is not overturned, then the District should submit its current motto "Justice For All" or "The Last Colony" in its stead.


Posted by: Alvin C. Frost | February 27, 2008 08:09 PM

BRAVO Alvin.

Posted by: BH | February 28, 2008 7:55 AM

Hey, 10:42 PM

But not paying federal taxes means not having to pay for DOD, NASA, SS, etc, etc. either.

Don't worry about us in DC, just eliminate our requirement to pay Federal taxes...we'll do quite all right for ourselves, thank you very much.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 28, 2008 8:27 AM

This has been so overblown its another reason why people could care less about DC. I know DC doesn't want to hear the real reason people could care less. Much of it is that the city complains too much. Look how much complaining is here in this thread. Someone even made the comparison to Palestine. Seriously, last time I checked, you were allowed out of DC and you still have a vote for president. In the DC gets more money than it puts in, the poster implies that DC has to pay for all the police with the federal government. These are just not true statements.

Then you have DC claiming racism at the drop of the hat from everything from cabs to education etc.

After a while people just turn you off, no matter how good your argument is. Thats just the truth.

Posted by: Jon | February 28, 2008 8:35 AM

To Hillman:

Ah, yes, the blessed "commuter tax" will solve all DC's problems! So why hasn't it been implemented yet? Because DC would see a huge exodus of businesses. And yet you expect this to make up for all the $ DC gets from the feds?

And as to your assertion "$6 is clearly for running the federal government." Really? Care to back that up with figures? And you really think the DC government could pay for all the things (transportation, welfare, medicare, etc.) the feds currently pay for now? Not a chance. And trying to defend your stance by pointing to NoVa and Maryland's reliance on Federal government employees is a red herring, since it has nothing to do with the discussion of whether DC would survive w/o federal tax money. Nice try.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 28, 2008 8:38 AM

Jon 08:35 AM

It's about equality, universal suffrage,
consent of the governed, stuff like that... I'll repeat for your benefit, the following:

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Mint to D.C.: Leave It On Your License Plates
Wow, that was fast. The U.S. Mint pretty much set a government speed record in rejecting the District government's proposal to put the words "Taxation Without Representation" on the D.C. quarter that will be issued as part of the 50 States coin program.

Mayor Adrian Fenty's in-your-face proposal "does not comply with the law that authorizes the D.C. commemorative quarter-dollar coin," the Mint says in a statement just issued.

"Changing how the District of Columbia (the Seat of Government of the United States ) is represented in Congress is a contemporary political issue on which there presently is no national consensus and over which reasonable minds differ.
Although the United States Mint expresses no position on the merits of this issue, we have determined that the proposed inscription is clearly controversial and, therefore, inappropriate as an element of design for United States coinage."

Those of you who took part in my contest this morning to predict when and how the Mint would stuff the city mainly named dates in March and April. Although no one predicted an instant response like we've now seen, I am awarding the prize to "The Cosmic Avenger," who wrote that "the Mint will wait a few days before the deadline for the design is due, then the letter will say, in brief, 'Congress holds our purse strings, and they say 'Get bent'." Cosmic, please shoot me an email with your contacts and I'll get your prize out to you.

A letter to the D.C. government from Cynthia Vitelli, assistant director of external relations for the Mint, invites the District to submit new ideas for the coin's design. The Mint statement says it "looks forward to working with District officials to develop narratives that will lead to a quarter honoring the District of Columbia of which the entire Nation can be proud."


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OK, first, what's UP with capitalizing "Nation" like that?

Second, you know that no matter what we submitted, the feds would find a way to insist that we show only Fedworld on OUR quarter, not anything that actually reflects the District.

So, let's go ask the Historical Society if we can borrow their logo for this. That way we get some local identity, even if we do have to acknowledge the presence of the overseers.

Posted by: saf | February 27, 2008 01:05 PM

And "in god we trust" isn't clearly controversial?

Posted by: Mike Patton | February 27, 2008 01:19 PM

This is far from a "contemporary issue." And the entire nation cannot be proud of DC as long as it is ignorant of DC's lack of representation.

Posted by: | February 27, 2008 01:21 PM

Off topic, but can Virginia resubmit with either an empty hole/ elevated rail track with IAD in the background or gridlock next to a "MetroDulles: Coming Soon" x'ed out?

As for the district, resubmit with the Mayor for Life at his famous presser with the humble entry for Political Quote of All Time replacing the "Taxation without Representation" slogan.

There's no lack of national consensus that he said THAT.

Seriously, this is starting to amuse me....each state could have its "eff you" quarters. Utah could have a polygamous family....crud, there goes my productivity.

Posted by: BobT | February 27, 2008 01:23 PM

A less direct message would certainly be approved. I submit that the coin should simply commemorate the Boston Tea Party. After initial puzzlement, when citizens around the country figure out the connection, the message will be heard much more than directly stating "No taxation without representation".

Posted by: Hopeful | February 27, 2008 01:25 PM

Hopeful, that's a good description if you that has a chance of working. People aren't that thoughtful. They'll look at it, go "huh?" and go back to their lives.

I really do wonder if the mint will consider giving us anything that really is about DC.

Posted by: saf | February 27, 2008 01:28 PM

So I suppose the "no taxation without representation" folks also support allowing children who pay sales tax (or even just teenagers who pay income tax) to vote?

(Or alternately exempting everyone under the age of 18 from all taxes?)

Posted by: Kr | February 27, 2008 01:34 PM

Why does the entire "Nation" have to be "proud" of the slogan anyway? I'm not particularly proud of "The Lone Star State." Doesn't that phrase derive from the State's attempted independence from Mexico AND The United States?

Posted by: PSUBones | February 27, 2008 01:41 PM

I vote for the Redskins emblem & the words "Dallas Sucks". That should pretty much offend everyone.

Posted by: | February 27, 2008 01:52 PM

I think the DC quarter should depict a car with several parking tickets and a boot on it. Something that captures that DC "je ne sais quoi".


Posted by: Deaniac | February 27, 2008 02:04 PM

I say we use Frederick Douglas instead as our image. So "No Taxation..." is controversial. Then I say put a great abolitionist and DC resident as a way to tell them to "stow it".

Posted by: | February 27, 2008 02:08 PM

I suggest an image of the Frederick Douglass Home in Anacostia (a national park) with the Douglass quote

"Agitate. Agitate. Agitate."

Posted by: RS | February 27, 2008 02:10 PM

You have a choice to live in the "District of Columbia". It was created for a purpose and even though it has morphed into a different entity it is still the Federal "District of Columbia"

Posted by: Howard | February 27, 2008 02:10 PM

I still think a picture of Klingle Road would be appropriate.

Posted by: Rich | February 27, 2008 02:12 PM

How about Mayor for Life holding a crack pipe and the words "B____ set me up"?

Posted by: cet | February 27, 2008 02:18 PM

Wow, it only took 12 comments before the ignorant "you choose to live in D.C." argument.
Did anyone "chose" where they were born?


Posted by: 13th St. S.E. | February 27, 2008 02:20 PM

re:cet
Bob T already said that in a more eloquent way.


Posted by: Cap Hill | February 27, 2008 02:21 PM

How about just the crack pipe?

Posted by: hwa | February 27, 2008 02:25 PM

Whatever design DC ends up sending, it should have absolutely NO relation to the federal government or being the nation's capital. No monuments, Capitol Building, etc. The design should reflect DC and not acknowledge the feds in any way, shape, or form. If a person did not already know that DC is the capital, then they should not be able to figure it out based on the quarter design.

If the mint wants the nation's capital on a quarter, they can design it as a special edition later. This design belongs to the people of DC (and I'm from NOVA).

Posted by: TikiRob | February 27, 2008 02:35 PM

Surprising decision! Seeing as how these are "State" quarters and to the best of my knowledge, DC is not yet a state. Hmmmmm....

Posted by: Michael | February 27, 2008 02:41 PM

I assume there was a prior blog/column praising the fact that DC gets a quarter at all? I'm sure there'd be plenty of carping if it didn't, as one more example of marginalization etc.

Posted by: bc | February 27, 2008 02:45 PM

"Did anyone 'chose' where they were born?"

Unless you are a minor, you make that choice daily. Life is a series of choices; all of them have consequeces whether we "choose" to recognize that or be "ignorant".


Posted by: Leesburger | February 27, 2008 02:47 PM

Serves ya right, whiners.

Get a life.

Posted by: NoVA | February 27, 2008 02:47 PM

I think we should put a Hershey's Kiss on the coin in honor of CA Rep. Diane Watson's channeling of New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin last night at CBC's townhall meeting at Howard:

"Did you know your representatives can not vote? They can only vote in the committee as a whole. So what you're going to have to do is declare the District something like a state so they can have a proportional representation who vote. But that would give this district two senators and there are a lot of people on that floor who don't want to see that occur because if there's a chocolate city, this is it."

Posted by: Leesburger | February 27, 2008 02:48 PM

"Seeing as how these are "State" quarters and to the best of my knowledge, DC is not yet a state."

This is the United STATES of America, is it not? And we're paying taxes to it. Semantics. 'Cept for the representation issue, of course, and here we are back at the heart of the matter.


Posted by: WDC | February 27, 2008 02:48 PM

I did choose to live in VA. I could have moved where ever I wanted. I decided Arlington, VA was the place I felt the most comfortable. Its not like some magic force field is going to stop you from going to a real state. Regardless what other DC people tell you, this isn't like the movie Running man. you head is not going to blow up when you cross out of the boundaries of DC.

I have never got why you chose to live there isn't a legit argument.

Posted by: Jon | February 27, 2008 02:50 PM

A lot of people were born in DC. They live in the house that's been in their family for generations.

Others cannot afford to move.

Still others aren't physically capable of moving.

The 'why don't you just move' argument is possibly the weakest argument against democracy for DC residents. It's usually made by people that don't know any actual DC residents, and spend little if any time in the city.

Posted by: Hillman | February 27, 2008 02:54 PM

I dare some of you 'why don't you just move' people to say that to the family that lives right down the block from me.

They've lived in the same house for four generations. Not particularly wealthy. A strong part of their community for decades. Deeply involved in local schools, charitable organizations, etc.

Their son died in Iraq.

How about if you go knock on their door, informing them that they need to move to get the benefits of democracy? You know, the very democracy their son died bringing to the citizens of the capital city of Iraq.

I'd be happy to give you their address, so you can remind them of their second class citizenry in person.

Posted by: Hillman | February 27, 2008 02:59 PM

Jon is right. "You chose to live there" is a legitimate argument for a country denying its citizens representation in its "democracy." Just like it was legitimate when King George III made the argument. Everyone from the colonies should have moved to England rather than raising a ruckus and demanding "rights."

Posted by: Empshel | February 27, 2008 03:00 PM

To hell with the quarter. They should send a letter back to the mint to say forget it, and add to it, that we are going to withold sending anymore income tax money to the feds until the congress, (which has it within its own authority to grant full representation to half a million people who pay income taxes but have no say in how it is spent), does so.

Our brave forefathers fought for this right for all future citizens, not for just some of them. The emphasis should be on making sure all income tax paying citizens have representation in both legislative bodies in the United States of America, which according to my passport I'm a citizen of. Period end of story.

Posted by: Tax Payer in DC | February 27, 2008 03:00 PM

Its amazing how ignorant some people are on this issue. If you think that DC should not have representation then that is a legitimate position, but please be informed on the debate and its history. This has been debated ever since the creation of the District. The real question that is never asked of opponents and needs to be answered is : No matter how it is worded, do you honestly believe that the founding fathers after fighting for lack of representation would have INTENDED for ANY US citizen to be denied representation???

Posted by: Aaron | February 27, 2008 03:06 PM

"The 'why don't you just move' argument is possibly the weakest argument against democracy for DC residents"

Strawman alert!!!!

No one has advocate that you move. Should you choose to move or choose to stay, political representation may or may not be a factor in that choice, depending on the decision-maker. As it has been since the District of Columbia was created, it does not have representation in Congress. Should you choose to be represented in Congress you have two options:

1.) Petition your government to amend the Constitution granting representation to D.C. (This may or may not be successful)

2.) Move to a State that is represented. (This is 100% successful barring disqualifying conditions such as felony conviction)

The choice is yours.

Posted by: Leesburger | February 27, 2008 03:19 PM

"No matter how it is worded, do you honestly believe that the founding fathers after fighting for lack of representation would have INTENDED for ANY US citizen to be denied representation??? "

Just like they intended for slaves and women to be represented? I think those came much later.

Posted by: | February 27, 2008 03:23 PM

On the reverse of the Hawaiian quarter:

"Ua mau ke ea o ka ʻāina i ka pono" is a Hawaiian phrase meaning: "The life (sovereignty) of the land is perpetuated in (by) righteousness," and is the state motto of Hawaiʻi.

The motto was adopted by the Kingdom of Hawaiʻi in 1843, and was used in an address by King Kamehameha III at ceremonies following the return of his kingdom from the British. Hawaiʻi had been ceded to England by the British captain Lord George Paulet of the H.B.M.S. Carysfort, in response to claims of political abuses against British residents made by British Consul Richard Charlton. After Kamehameha III notified London of the captain's actions, Admiral Richard Thomas returned sovereignty back to the King.

The motto is also retained from the Hawaiian Royal Coat of Arms.


Posted by: Lance | February 27, 2008 03:24 PM

I vote for a big middle finger in front of the Capitol

Posted by: | February 27, 2008 03:31 PM

Sorry, people choose to stay in their neighborhoods. Its a choice you have made. There are arguments for and against giving DC the right to vote. The bottom line is if you cared that much, you would move. Obviously you don't care enough.

Also, DC is already one of the convict centers of the East Coast. Would having the rest of the people commit felonies by not paying their taxes really change the landscape all that much? Go ahead and send the IRS a letter with your reasoning and post the results. I know no one has the guts the back up their words with actions. I will be interested to see the results.


Posted by: Jon | February 27, 2008 03:31 PM

The slogan is a protest by D.C. against federal law, so the mint can hardly be expected to put it on U.S. currency, whether it's for a good cause or not.

Other rejected slogans:
S.C.: Southern Independence (with picture of Fort Sumpter) or Let It Fly (with picture of Confederate flag)
Virginia: Allow Guns in Rec Centers
Kansas: Evolution is a Myth
Alabama: Separate But Equal
Utah: Say No to Christianity
Puerto Rico: Let Us Out
Massachusetts: Same Sex, Same Rights
Texas: Shoot First, Ask Questions Later
Arizona: Too Many Mexicans


Posted by: webg | February 27, 2008 03:35 PM

Put Eastern Market on the quarter then have a national campaign to get people to send in their Eastern Market quarters to fund the reconstruction!

Posted by: Elizabeth | February 27, 2008 03:35 PM

How's this for a compromise? Since they won't give us DC residents representation, why don't they just quit making us pay federal income taxes? I'd rather have the vote, but no taxes would be second best!

Posted by: LarryH | February 27, 2008 03:39 PM

Tax Payer in DC at 3:00 said that Congress "has it within its own authority to grant full representation to half a million people who pay income taxes but have no say in how it is spent."

To you and all of the other DC residents who complain about not having any representation in Congress, welcome to the real world. The average people in the 50 states don't have anyone representing us either. Nobody in Congress represents the average person, they only represent big biz and big money. So even if DC ever becomes a state, do you think that anybody you elect would truly represent you?


Posted by: scooter964 | February 27, 2008 03:46 PM

A picture of Chuck Brown and the phrase, "Chocolate City."

Or the "Dallas sucks" idea.

Posted by: | February 27, 2008 03:46 PM

Put Ben's Chilli Bowl on the Quarter.

Posted by: cattayl | February 27, 2008 03:54 PM

D.C. residents, stop whining for representation you'll never get. Work for retrocession to Maryland. Then you'll get your federal representation, and a somewhat more competent state government to boot.

Posted by: Richard | February 27, 2008 03:54 PM

Jon wrote "Sorry, people choose to stay in their neighborhoods. Its a choice you have made. There are arguments for and against giving DC the right to vote. The bottom line is if you cared that much, you would move. Obviously you don't care enough."

Thank God the colonists didn't believe in this view or we wouldn't have the United States today. Oh you colonists don't want to pay taxes to the King and let him spend it as he chooses, too bad move!

It is sad to see the erosion over time, a commitment to some of the basic fundamentals this country was founded on. Oh but wait, we are going to send our young men and women to die in order to force this on other people and waste our national treasures in doing.

Telling people to pay taxes and not giving them representation is extortion. There were men and women who died because this was a fundamental issue against the rights of man worth dying over. I guess 231 years dilutes a nation's memory.

I knew the education system generally in this country had deteriorated, I didn't realize it was this bad.

Posted by: Tax Payer in DC | February 27, 2008 03:58 PM

Chuck Brown with "I *heart* DC."

If you read some primary documents from our founding fathers (Adams's correspondence with his wife is a good enough starting point), you will discover that they actually intended for women and slaves to have votes, they only failed to protect that right and the right of District residents to representation because the southern colonies/states wouldn't have ratified the constitution and Bill of Rights with those protections intact.

And to those who cling to the "just move" argument, I challenge to to be born into a real community and micro-society and see if that does not deserve democracy or to be born with no resources and see how much choice you have in your occupation and residence.

Posted by: | February 27, 2008 04:05 PM

I say that the citizens of the District of Columbia should refuse to use any US currency for one entire day as a sign of protest against the contInuation of the lack of voting rights.

or, more seriously:

Give DC back to Maryland to end the constitutional problems of DC not being a state. Which is more important, having your own state, or having voting representation in Congress? I'm a long-time resident by choice, having moved here in the late 70's, and I would much prefer solving the problem rather than arguing over it for another 200 years. Congress can change the city limits without a constitutional amendment: let them zone it all back into Maryland, and declare only the Federally owned buildings to be the District of Columbia!

Posted by: DWW | February 27, 2008 04:05 PM

A lot has changed in 200 + years. You want to go back to slavery as well? Many of the signers of the constitution had slaves, so by your simplified logic, it must have been ok. Stop oversimplifying the issue.

DC residents continually elect some of the stupidest and most corrupt people in all of DC (and thats saying something) to represent them on the city council. Lord knows who they would elect to congress. Thats the real reason they won't become a state. Why on earth should republicans give up two seats in the senate or anything in the house unless they are getting a guarantee that the vote will be offset. Regardless of whether that is fair or not, its just smart politics on their side (and I have voted democrat in most of the past elections).

Stop electing losers like M. Barry and maybe people will take you seriously. If you treat your local elections like an election for 4th grade class president, don't be surprised when the rest of the country thinks your idiots.

Posted by: Jon | February 27, 2008 04:08 PM

Osama Bin Laden is a homosexual and lives in a cave.

Posted by: AC | February 27, 2008 04:08 PM

How about a train pulling into Metro Center with the slogan "Don't Even THINK of Eating Here."

Posted by: | February 27, 2008 04:12 PM

DWW:

Retrocession to MD has a couple of problems. First, MD doesn't want us back. No, really. They don't.

And how do you merge two sets of laws. For instance, DC has different laws on gay rights than MD does. Whose laws win? And which pension systems win? Etc.

Second, the federal city isn't just the Mall, Congress, and White House. The Feds own hundreds of facilities and parcels throughout DC. Including most of the parks in DC (even the tiny little triangle parks where three local roads meet). Logistically, there's really no way to parcel those out.

Posted by: Hillman | February 27, 2008 04:15 PM

If electing stupid or corrupt officials is a bar to representation, then we should seriously consider revoking representation of the districts that have also made poor election decisions.

Seriously, that argument is actually on shakier ground than the "you chose to live there" line of reasoning.

Posted by: John in Mpls | February 27, 2008 04:21 PM

"The real question that is never asked of opponents and needs to be answered is : No matter how it is worded, do you honestly believe that the founding fathers after fighting for lack of representation would have INTENDED for ANY US citizen to be denied representation???"

If the founding fathers didn't have this as their objective, then why did they write the constitution in such a way? Obviously, that is what the founding fathers intended to do. This is not a later amendment, but part of the original core document. Other citizens have been or are currently denied representation in congress - such as those living in former territories and those in Puerto Rico.


Posted by: Grillades | February 27, 2008 04:24 PM

The founding fathers did not envision the District becoming a residential area as well. Their lack of ability to foresee this problem does not indicate a desire for the disenfranchisement of DC residents.

Posted by: John in Mpls | February 27, 2008 04:30 PM

How about
"Please take your Congressmen back, they are dumb and smell"

Cherry Blossom

Posted by: 35332 | February 27, 2008 04:32 PM

I have a plan for a way the district can legally motivate the Republicans to giving of statehood. Officially change the City Flag to a picture of Hitler sodomizing Reagan in Hell.

Posted by: Alex35332 | February 27, 2008 04:33 PM

Given that any acceptable redesign will be immediately and quickly be forgotten, why doesn't the District instead retract its request to be on a quarter? That is, take our quarter and go home.

At at a minimum, such an action will spur continued debate, discussion, and attention to the full voting rights issue.


Posted by: No Quarter | February 27, 2008 04:36 PM

I love it. Look, after living in DC for 10 years and then moving away please let me tell you how the rest of the country feels about your "plight": no one cares! DC is not a state. Amend the Constitution or get over it. Those are your choices. Please stop with the petty attempts at throwing this in the country's face. Throwing something in someone's face doesn't work if the other person totally doesn't care.

Posted by: Larry M. | February 27, 2008 04:37 PM

What about a car on 4 cinder blocks and a dc police cruiser just happening on by, or a big pothole stating "Home of the Whopper"!

Posted by: Bergemaan | February 27, 2008 04:38 PM

How about, "The b*ch set me up", with an image of Marion Berry holding a snow shovel on the front.

Posted by: George | February 27, 2008 04:39 PM

The U.S. Mint's project for 50 State quarters was simply that-- for the 50 States. D.C. cried "foul" and was given the opportunity to provide some design that was not otherwise offensive or a blataant political statement. I don't think Puerto Rico, the U.S. Virgin Islands or Guam was given such an opportunity.

Probably the best design would be $$ signs being sucked down a funnel, but that probably wouldn't work either.

Posted by: mintguy | February 27, 2008 04:44 PM

What Congress should do is give every resident of DC the right to elect to declare, for purposes only of voting, to be a resident of whatever Congressional District/State that they wish. And they can vote in that district. This way the hill folk in DC who are no longer residents of their home state can still vote in their home state and the rest of us can decide to all be residents of say the Idaho or Alaska (imagine the impact on the Alaska Senate race if 1/3rd of the voters in DC decided to become voters in the only Congressional District in Alaska).

Posted by: Poster | February 27, 2008 04:49 PM

If you want lower taxes and representation in Congress, move to Virginia or Maryland. You are not an oppressed people without options. You choose to live in DC, and you can choose to leave.

Posted by: C-MAC | February 27, 2008 04:52 PM

$500 billion to "liberate" Iraq (into a violent cesspool with no electricity and a terrorist university) but screw the residents of our own nation's capitol. Pretty much sums up the Bushleague Admin's selective "commitment" to democracy. Too bad DC doesn't have oil.

And Larry M., of course the rest of nation doesn't care. The only things they care about are American Idol, Britney Spears and "getting Saddam back for what he did to us on 9/11". I've lived many places in this country outside of the DC area, and they are all pretty much filled with clueless ignorant provincials. This country is every bit as uninformed as every survey of public scientific and historical knowledge tells us.

Posted by: Apalled | February 27, 2008 04:52 PM

I say an image of the Tenleytown Chipotle and me eating a burrito in a bowl.

Posted by: Vulture Breath | February 27, 2008 04:52 PM

Actually, retrocession would be easier than Hillman makes it out to be.

First, many in Maryland would love to have DC back. Oh, the exception would be the Baltimore Pols, but how is that surprising? And how does that relate to anything other than which part of the state holds power in Annapolis?

Second, merging the two sets of laws would be much easier than you think. With the exception of the wingnuts in the far west of the state and some parts of the eastern shore, MD & DC residents share much of the same philosophy.

Third, the Feds own parks and facilities in every state of the Union (they actually own more than 50% of Alaska). Transferring the small parks to the state or "Columbia county" would be a snap.

The concept would be to carve a Federal Corridor out that would, essentially go from the Executive Office building, along PA Ave to the LOC and would have one resident (or resident and family).

Posted by: Mikes | February 27, 2008 04:57 PM

Are most politicians corrupt? Yes, but DC (and the City of Chicago) have a reputation of being bad by even the US' low standards. If you care and need other people to take you seriously, then you have to take your own responsibility seriously.

As long as the City elects crack addicts, this isn't going to happen. Shape up and elect people who aren't the laughing stock of the country, and the cause will be taken more seriously.
It doesn't matter if its fair or not, its reality.

Posted by: Jon | February 27, 2008 04:59 PM

Appalled: I really find it curious how you and others somehow manage to link DC's lack of statehood/representation in Congress to the Bush administration, the Iraq war, etc. It's pretty laughable. Wasn't DC lacking representation during the Clinton years? The Carter years? The Kennedy years? Johnson? FDR? Jefferson, etc etc.? Where's the hatred for all these guys?

Basically you're just revealing your political stripes and really hurting any rational argument you may have. Add on to that your elitist rhetoric and you're really going places....

I agree most people around the country are pretty ignorant of public policy, etc. But the fact is if DC had a good argument to sell they would have sold it already. There is no argument - DC is not a state. Only states have representation in Congress. Amend the Constitution. Quit with the whiny platitudes.

Posted by: Larry M. | February 27, 2008 05:05 PM

Actually, Puerto Rico will get a quarter, along with Guam, American Samoa, the US Virgin Islands, and the Northern Mariana Islands.

Posted by: John in Mpls | February 27, 2008 05:07 PM

To hell with the Mint. In God we Trust is clearly controversial to which serious minds can disagree.

Denying 600,000 people a representative in Congress is not.

Let's issue our own currency.

Posted by: angry liberal | February 27, 2008 05:11 PM

Liberals already have their own currency, its called Pot.

Posted by: 420 | February 27, 2008 05:14 PM

I think they should politely shove this back into the Mint's face and say, "Huh? This is in honor of the patriots who first used the phrase that helped inspire the Revolution." Simply feign ignorance when they call it a "controversial" phrase. There are times when ignorant decisions merit responses couched in the same language.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_taxation_without_representation

"The Americans rejected the Stamp Act 1765 (which was repealed), and in 1773 violently rejected the tax on tea imports at the Boston Tea Party. The British could not accept this illegal act because it undermined the authority of the Crown in Parliament. When Great Britain began to crack down on the illegal activities performed by the colonists, the colonists formed militias and seized control of each colony, ousting the royal governors. The complaint was never officially over the amount of taxation (the taxes were quite low), but always on the decision-making process by which taxes were decided in London, without representation for the colonists in British Parliament. In February, 1775, Britain passed the Conciliatory Resolution which ended taxation for any colony which satisfactorily provided for the imperial defense and the upkeep of imperial officers."

Posted by: Appalled | February 27, 2008 05:16 PM

Marc,

So sorry about my late comment. I've been very sad about the death of Bill Buckley, and the true conservative movement.

About the mint: This is BS!!!!! US Mint go to you know where!!!

Posted by: johng | February 27, 2008 05:16 PM

420, are you a liberal? WTF does your statement mean? Do you live in DC like I do?

Posted by: johng | February 27, 2008 05:18 PM

Jon, democracy is not limited to those who vote "correctly." DC is the only voting disctrict where poor election choices have been used against the electorate. No one is talking about removing Chicago's represenatation.

Also, your point is undermined by your own admission that the situation is political. DC representation would be Democratic, and Republicans don't like that idea.

It doesn't matter the administration or the majority party in Congress, either. In order to amend the Consititution, more than a simple majority would be needed. Thus, some Republicans would have to vote for the amendment. Unless sympathetic parties gain a two-thirds majority in both houses, DC disenfranchisement will continue.

Posted by: John in Mpls | February 27, 2008 05:19 PM

Jon, it's "you're" or "you are" idiots. Moron.
...from your 4:08 post

Posted by: goalman | February 27, 2008 05:20 PM

Then why the Susan B. Anthony Dollar?

Woman Suffrage and equality for women was (and is) a very controversial issue... to some.

Posted by: | February 27, 2008 05:25 PM

Lets break it down to the basics.

Do you believe that because I am a resident of DC that I should be denied my basic rights of representation in congress? If the answer is yes fine, I would love to hear an explantation as to why the taxes and blood of our residents is worth any less than those in VA etc.

Posted by: DC Native | February 27, 2008 05:27 PM

Maybe they should put the Boston Tea Party on the coin. That would offer a similar message.

Posted by: esch | February 27, 2008 05:32 PM

It would be wrong to get a stamp that says "Taxation without representation is tyranny" and use it to stamp every piece of currency that passes through your hands ... Right?

Posted by: | February 27, 2008 05:36 PM

It would be wrong to get a stamp that says "Taxation without representation is tyranny" and use it to stamp every piece of currency that passes through your hands ... Right?

Posted by: | February 27, 2008 05:36 PM

Larry M., forgive me but the last time I checked the US Mint was a federal agency under the executive branch. Their rejection of this non-offensive (to anyone but pro-tyranny folks, I suppose) and downright patriotic design (in case you missed all of grade school social studies) is the subject at hand here. George W. Bush is the administrator of that branch of government.

Moreover, Bush's first unofficial act upon taking office in 2000 was on inauguration day when he took the "Taxation Without Representation" plates off of the presidential limo that would be driven in his parade. (Clinton had had them put on.) This is an old issue, no doubt, but Bush has gone out of his way to thumb his nose at Liberty on this issue. That's why he gets a special mention here.

Hope that clears it up for you.

Posted by: Appalled | February 27, 2008 05:37 PM

A second question.

Why is it that ordinary citizens of the states seem to want to deny DC residents this representation? I can understand the politics behind it and why the politicians don't want to do it, but why would John Doe in VA or CA or where ever be against us having congressional representation. I don't think he would be, however there are some passionate comments posted here that really seem to be against this idea. So the question is why so much outcry, its not going to hurt you?

Posted by: DC Native | February 27, 2008 05:37 PM

Use "Consent of the Governed"

Posted by: | February 27, 2008 05:38 PM

i think the quarter should feature a large rat with an "x" through it. The tagline should read "not like those other cities (whose name we won't mention)"

Posted by: katie | February 27, 2008 05:40 PM

Poster | 04:49 PM :

Great idea, but let's turn Wyoming blue by all voting as Wyoming residents. Most of the country would applaud, since Wyoming has even less population than DC and deserves two Senators even less. We'd be doing everybody else a favor (maybe even Wyoming...)

Posted by: | February 27, 2008 05:43 PM

Everybody move out of DC and become political refugees...make DC a de-populated wasteland...that's what the Founding Fathers died for...and that's what we represent to the rest of the world, too. True Democracy!

Posted by: | February 27, 2008 05:47 PM

DC Native,

"I can understand the politics behind it and why the politicians don't want to do it, but why would John Doe in VA or CA or where ever be against us having congressional representation."

I'm sure they all have their own flavor of reasons. For instance, Jon here on this page seems to be driven by a bigoted obsession with Marion Barry. Because DC once had a mayor with a cocaine addiction (which has never ever been the case with politicians anywhere else in this great land - least of all Jon's state I'm sure), all DC residents should have no Congressional say in how their taxes are used.

I'm sure the other out-of-towners who chime in have their own equally compelling arguments. Most of them are simply Republicans who are afraid that if all Americans were represented in Congress they would have an even harder time getting their outdated policies codified into law. It's not by accident that the state offered up to be over-represented (in exchange for DC getting their basic rights) would be Utah.

Posted by: Appalled | February 27, 2008 05:52 PM

Put a picture of a dead "Dawg" with a crack pipe and pistol in his hand.

Posted by: Michael1945 | February 27, 2008 05:56 PM

"That nervous suffragist who wrote to ask if Mrs. Julia Ward Howe had been separated from her husband is a type of a large class of good people, who might be a little better. What they need to tone up their nerves and strengthen the weak knees . . . is a good dose of pure unadultered principle. They call themselves suffragists; but, with every breath of adverse opinion, their faith wavers. . . . All they need is thorough conviction of the right and the justice, not the expediency of woman suffrage. . . ."

"Suppose you try the methods of the mental science people in this matter? Go into a quiet room, sit down, close your eyes, and repeat to yourself: "Taxation without representation is tyranny." Say it over and over till the idea is fully assimilated. Then, when some one tells you that a woman out in Colorado sold her vote for a piece of chewing gum, or that some other woman does not darn her husband's stocking, or that Mary A. Livermore never made a loaf of bread in her life, just shut your eyes, ask yourself "What connection is there between this eternal truth and that petty bit of gossip?" If you have half as much sense as you ought to have, you will be able to answer yourself, "None whatever.""

"If every woman suffragist in the land were divorced from her husband, still "Taxation without representation is tyranny," and woman suffrage is right. If every woman suffragist were a poor housekeeper and a neglectful mother, still "Taxation without representation is tyranny," and woman suffrage is right. If all womanly loveliness were embodied in the remonstrants and all womanly unloveliness in the woman suffragist, still "Taxation without representation is tyranny," and woman suffrage is right. The eternal principles of truth and justice are to be our guides and not the fleeting circumstances that seem to confute these principles. . . ."

--Lida Calvert Obenchain

Source: The Woman's Journal (February 29, 1896)

Posted by: | February 27, 2008 05:59 PM

5:59 - thanks for reminding us, of the forest surrounding the trees.

Posted by: | February 27, 2008 06:04 PM

Let them put anything on it they want. Then, when you find a DC quarter, just make sure you don't pull it aside, set it on the edge of another quarter, and don't whack it firmly in the middle with a hammer. Practice will give you the knack of how hard not to whack. Then it won't not work in vending machines. And you won't get any psychic satisfaction from all that not-whacking. ;-)

Posted by: | February 27, 2008 06:07 PM

... or even better, do NOT do that to all the OTHER "State" Quarters, either. ;-)

Posted by: | February 27, 2008 06:11 PM

Woman Suffrage was never controversial...that's why we can have the Susan B. Anthony Dollar

Posted by: | February 27, 2008 06:12 PM

Just power (ie LEGITIMATE power) derives from the "Consent of the Governed."

Posted by: | February 27, 2008 06:15 PM

...to be strictly just, [the authority of government] must have the sanction and consent of the governed.
It can have no pure right over my person and property but what I concede to it.

ATTRIBUTION:
Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)


Posted by: | February 27, 2008 06:16 PM

I think a map of MD and VA with DC designated with a star in the middle. This will represent DC's position as the cultural, economic, and political center of the region (not to mention the only jurisdiction in the last year where home prices actually went UP). Get over yourselves MD and VA -- DC is tops.

Posted by: Anon | February 27, 2008 06:16 PM

It was not because the three-penny tax on tea was so exorbitant that our Revolutionary fathers fought and
died, but to establish the principle that such taxation was unjust. It is the same with this woman's revolution; though every law were as just to woman as to man, the principle that one class may usurp the
power to legislate for another is unjust, and all who are now in the struggle from love of principle would still work on until the establishment of the grand and
immutable truth, "All governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed."

ATTRIBUTION:
Susan B. Anthony (1820-1906)

Posted by: | February 27, 2008 06:16 PM

They should put Duke Ellington on the quarter.

Posted by: guitar_blue | February 27, 2008 06:18 PM

Voting for DC's Mayor and City Council is a lot like voting for Student Council in high school...vote all you want, but you KNOW that the REAL people in charge "in all cases whatsoever" are the Principal, the Superintendent and the School Board. [President and Congress] Nobody's fooled by the lame status quo.

Posted by: | February 27, 2008 06:26 PM


Yah, well, you know, TRUTH just doesn't play well in Peoria.

Happy platitudes are what we need, of course.

How could the Mayor have missed that?


Posted by: Shoe | February 27, 2008 06:27 PM

There is no controversy. D.C. residents ARE taxed and NOT represented. The fact that members of Congress might be offended is the motivating factor. Congress may cut off funding for the Treasury Department. Unlikely, but could happen. The tobacco industry used to dispute the indisputable fact that cigarette smoking causes cancer and other health problems by calling the question "controversial." Baloney. Well, I guess Congress could make life difficult for the pusillanimous executives who run the Treasury Department. How about "Get Bent" on the coin?

Posted by: BlueTwo1 | February 27, 2008 06:28 PM

or just leave it perfectly blank...

Posted by: | February 27, 2008 06:28 PM

I thought English was our official language now.

Wouldn't that make "E Pluribus Unum" on the VA quarter controversial as well?

"Never codified by law, it was considered a de facto motto of the United States until 1956 when the United States Congress passed an act (H.J. Resolution 396), adopting In God We Trust as the official motto."

Posted by: English Lesson | February 27, 2008 06:45 PM

I'm fine with DC not having representation, but it would only make more sense if we would take away the representation that VA and MD has currently to make things all even. If constituents who live there object to losing their representation, they could always move and they too would enjoy the benefits of being governed by the remaining 48 collective states.

Posted by: George | February 27, 2008 06:45 PM

"or just leave it perfectly blank..."

Awesome, 6:28. A perfect, succinct symbolic protest. Without anything the spineless, unAmerican, Monarchist Mint officials could claim was "controversial".

A design summarizing the voting rights of District residents. Perfect.

Posted by: Appalled | February 27, 2008 06:51 PM

Retrocession rocks! The federal government owns buildings, parks, and land all over the country (just look at most of the West). Retrocede most of DC to Maryland except for the federal service area with no residents, establish a "Washington City" or "Columbia County" on par with Baltimore City and the other counties, and leave it at that. Our differences with Montgomery and Prince George's counties are culturally local-level, not state-level.

And I vote for the blank quarter. "District of Columbia" on the top, "1801" on the bottom, and nothing in the middle.

Posted by: Justin | February 27, 2008 06:55 PM

Sheesh, now I remember why I left DC.
DC shut up with the Taxation without Representation crap already. If it was not for the Federal part of DC, the city would be just another dead city,like most cities in Ohio or Michigan. They did not dredge the swamp to create a place to screw U.S. citizens out of representation, did they? I mean besides Dischord records and drug related violence, what other industries in DC are not related to the Federal Government in at least a peripheral way? Also, the Federal Government does not complain that DC collects a sales tax and ridiculously high "food" tax of 10% on federal property like the Smithsonian Museums. If you do not like it move, because the rest of the states are not letting this small city have 2 Senators. They will let NYC have two senators before DC. So maybe DC residents should focus on something else, like how the South East part of the city is LITERALLY a ghetto. Fix that and maybe we will talk about your represantation. As for my vote for the quarter: a straight edge X with the letters DCHC.

Posted by: | February 27, 2008 06:56 PM

"How's this for a compromise? Since they won't give us DC residents representation, why don't they just quit making us pay federal income taxes? I'd rather have the vote, but no taxes would be second best!"

Hmmm... I'd take the money. I'll bet I'm not alone there. D.C. would become the richest city in the nation (by virtue of all the people who would move here to avoid taxes).

Posted by: Phil | February 27, 2008 06:57 PM

ENGLISH is the language of this blessed country! Get the Papist "E Pluribus Unum" off my money!

Posted by: | February 27, 2008 06:57 PM

I also would like a quarter with a picture of the mayor for life smoking crack saying B_____ set me up!

Posted by: Mr Smith | February 27, 2008 07:06 PM

"Let me give you a word of the philosophy of reform. The whole history of the progress of human liberty shows that all concessions yet made to her august claims, have been born of earnest struggle. The conflict has been exciting, agitating, all-absorbing, and for the time being, putting all other tumults to silence. It must do this or it does nothing. If there is no struggle there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightening. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters."

"This struggle may be a moral one, or it may be a physical one, and it may be both moral and physical, but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress. In the light of these ideas, Negroes will be hunted at the North, and held and flogged at the South so long as they submit to those devilish outrages, and make no resistance, either moral or physical. Men may not get all they pay for in this world; but they must certainly pay for all they get. If we ever get free from the oppressions and wrongs heaped upon us, we must pay for their removal. We must do this by labor, by suffering, by sacrifice, and if needs be, by our lives and the lives of others."

Frederick Douglass, 1857
Source: Douglass, Frederick. [1857] (1985). "The Significance of Emancipation in the West Indies." Speech, Canandaigua, New York, August 3, 1857; collected in pamphlet by author. In The Frederick Douglass Papers. Series One: Speeches, Debates, and Interviews. Volume 3: 1855-63. Edited by John W. Blassingame. New Haven: Yale University Press, p. 204.

Posted by: | February 27, 2008 07:07 PM

How about "Buck Fush" as the tag line for the DC quarter?

Posted by: Cee | February 27, 2008 07:07 PM

Since D.C. isn't using "Taxation Without Representation" can we in the Montgomery section of the grossly gerrymandered 4th district have it?

P.S. Why does the Post make a big deal of the gerrymandering in Texas (not their local area) and Virginia but not notice the insane gerrymandering in Maryland. Could it be because the Maryland gerrymandering helps the "good" party?

Posted by: Rich | February 27, 2008 07:13 PM

It should say "The First Lady Lost Here!"

Hillary will LOZE

Posted by: | February 27, 2008 07:15 PM

"What to DC Is The Fourth of July?"

with full credit to Frederick Douglass.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4h2927t.html

Posted by: | February 27, 2008 07:20 PM

Here's my suggestion for a DC motto:

"No taxation without representation -- just send your taxes directly to Harriette Walters co/o Nieman Marcus!"

Posted by: Washington Dame | February 27, 2008 07:28 PM

Here's my suggestion for a DC motto:

"No taxation without representation -- just send your taxes directly to Harriette Walters co/o Nieman Marcus!"

Posted by: Washington Dame | February 27, 2008 07:28 PM

"6. That elections of members to serve as representatives of the people, in assembly, ought to be free; and that all men, having sufficient evidence of permanent common interest with, and attachment to, the community have the right of suffrage, and cannot be taxed or deprived of their property for publick uses without their own consent, or that of their representatives so elected, nor bound by any law to which they have not, in like manner, assented, for the publick good."

From the Virginia Bill of Rights, June 1775 Author: George Mason, mentor to Jefferson and Madison

Posted by: Anonymous | February 28, 2008 10:47 AM

OK Anon. You wanted a good reason for why DC has no vote?

(1) The Founding Fathers set things up that way to prevent any state from having control of the Capitol of the country. You remember the Founding Fathers? They also came up with prohibitions against unfair search and seizure, no punishments that are "cruel and unusual", and a few other things that along those lines.

Now, if you really want to make DC a state and get the voting rights you feel have been unjustly deprived of, do it: Change the Constitution. And while we are at it, we can reconsider some of the other stuff they put in there. Just for fun and to p*** you off.

Posted by: NoVa | February 28, 2008 10:47 AM

"6. That elections of members to serve as representatives of the people, in assembly, ought to be free; and that all men, having sufficient evidence of permanent common interest with, and attachment to, the community have the right of suffrage, and cannot be taxed or deprived of their property for publick uses without their own consent, or that of their representatives so elected, nor bound by any law to which they have not, in like manner, assented, for the publick good."

From the Virginia Bill of Rights, June 1775 Author: George Mason, mentor to Jefferson and Madison

Posted by: Anonymous | February 28, 2008 10:51 AM

Jon 08:35 AM

It's about equality, universal suffrage,
consent of the governed, stuff like that... I'll repeat for your benefit, the following:

"6. That elections of members to serve as representatives of the people, in assembly, ought to be free; and that all men, having sufficient evidence of permanent common interest with, and attachment to, the community have the right of suffrage, and cannot be taxed or deprived of their property for publick uses without their own consent, or that of their representatives so elected, nor bound by any law to which they have not, in like manner, assented, for the publick good."

From the Virginia Bill of Rights, June 1775 Author: George Mason, mentor to Jefferson and Madison

Posted by: Anonymous | February 28, 2008 10:56 AM

it should have something representative of the current federal government... equally sized dollar sign, cross, missile, and star of david - with the inscription: over 301,139,947 neoconned.

Posted by: me | February 28, 2008 11:55 AM

Your cause is just: But, as an old teacher told me once, "There is a time and a place for everything; this is neither the time nor the place". The license plate is yours, on your car. The money is in my pocket; I don't want to pay to promote your protest.
After reading some of the comments here I have to wonder: why would I want a city of crack heads to be represented in Congress?

Posted by: George | February 29, 2008 1:06 PM

After all they have done for their coke snorting mayor, does anyone really want them to vote?

Posted by: Ron | February 29, 2008 3:13 PM

I am shocked and disappointed to read that you have let Chris Core go from WMAL. I have enjoyed listening to him for years. He has a loyal following that you will not recover any time soon. I found Chris to be curteous and fair with all his callers. His topics were timely and of interest to those of us who are concerned about our country.
I was able to call in and speak with him a few weeks ago. Thankfully I got in before the hatchet fell.
I am particularly disappointed that who ever made this decision did not have enough courage to let Cris say good-bye to his loyal audience.
My husband and I hope to be able to hear him on another station in the near future.

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Posted by: amjpx soxze | April 10, 2008 8:02 AM

How about at the top:

"I did not have sex with that intern", and at the bottom, "They have WMD's" with a picture of Hillary and Bush surrounded by a big heart.

Posted by: Martin | April 10, 2008 9:45 PM

How about "Unsafest Capital of the Free World",or "Our National Disgrace"

Posted by: John | May 12, 2008 11:43 PM

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