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Who Are All Those McCain-Warner Voters?

Whether or not Barack Obama manages to become the first Democratic presidential candidate to win Virginia since Lyndon Johnson in 1964, it's safe to say that fellow Democrat Mark Warner will outpoll Obama by a wide margin.

So who are these Virginians who are voting for John McCain for president and then switching parties to cast a ballot for Warner for Senate? Are they Republicans and independents who don't like GOP Senate candidate Jim Gilmore and his emphasis on socially conservative positions? Are they Democratic-leaning independents who can't bring themselves to vote for Obama because he's liberal, black or green? Are they military families who are fed up with the Bush administration, yet admire Warner's business-friendly appeal and have a soft spot for McCain's military background?

Probably all of the above, of course, but in a day of traveling around with Warner, I spoke to voters who also offered some other reasons why so many Virginians may decide to split their votes that way.

McCain-Warner voters are people who usually vote Republican for president but liked the way Warner reached across party lines and got things done as governor, says Chris Caracciolo, a production supervisor at Micron, the memory chip maker in Prince William County that Warner visited the other morning. "It may seem odd that people would split like that, but it doesn't surprise me with Warner's history," he says. "To me, those voters should be thinking about the fact that if he gets elected to the Senate, he's going to be in opposition to McCain."

Caracciolo knows he's going to vote for McCain, but hasn't made a final decision on the Senate race. "I was happy with the car tax cut from Gilmore," he says, "but Warner was a big booster for the tech sector" and Micron employees tend to give Warner some of the credit for bringing their company's manufacturing unit to northern Virginia. "I like Warner--I like his business background and he did some notable things for Virginia."

Even those who are sure they're going for McCain and Gilmore tend to credit Warner with being an unusually acceptable Democrat. "I have very Republican leanings," says John Nicholson, a production area manager at Micron, "mainly because of conservative values, family values, the marriage amendment, that kind of thing. The Republicans stand for smaller government, even if they don't always produce on that." But Nicholson sees Warner as a Democrat who "is much more favorable to business than normal Democrats. The reason this plant is here is because of the work he did as governor." So Nicholson expects that many of his co-workers will go for Warner, even if they can't support Obama. "People are unsure of Obama," he says. "He really wasn't in the public eye before all this, and McCain and Warner are people we've watched."

Jarmel Foster, who lives in Ashburn and is a rare native of Sterling in Loudoun County, hears his Micron colleagues offer all kinds of reasons why they aren't supporting Obama, even if they are voting for Warner, and to him, all those explanations boil down to one thing: Race. But Foster, who is black, says it's not a simple matter of racism at work in the discrepancy between support for Obama and support for Warner. "It's also partly about the unknown," he says. "In this country, we're afraid to try new stuff. Most of Virginia just isn't ready to relate to Obama yet. Virginia's the kind of place that says, 'You're going to conform to our ways, or you're going to have a problem.'"

Indeed, when I asked Warner to explain why his support is running so far ahead of Obama's, he made very much the same point. Warner spent years in rural Virginia, laying the groundwork for his run for governor--he attended the fairs and festivals, set up a foundation to invest in rural communities hard-hit by outsourcing, and he famously turned himself into a NASCAR fan. This was a Connecticut Yankee who managed to reinvent himself as someone who understood the rural Virginia culture. Warner said it's unrealistic to expect that Obama could do all that groundwork in the short time of a general election campaign, but he thinks the presidential candidate's repeat visits to southwestern Virginia will pay off, that even a little familiarity will go a long way toward easing concerns that Obama is an elitist Northerner who doesn't get rural life.

Foster agrees: "After Obama's in, they'll be ok with it. Right now, they just don't know what to expect from him. They don't want 40s in the White House, and when they see a black man, that's what they think about, because that's all they know."

At the office, Foster says, whites and blacks work well together, and "you talk to them every day at lunch, but then all of us go home to our own little worlds. We don't live in communities anymore, we're sealed up in our homes. We're diverse culturally, but in the lunchroom, people still sit in certain groups. But that's ok--things are changing. I've seen the transformation. Loudoun County was one of the most prejudiced places when I was growing up, but it's really changed. People's minds do change."


By Marc Fisher |  October 10, 2008; 8:27 AM ET
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Litmus test is when they are in the voting booth all alone. Can they really vote for a black man for prez?

My problem is do I vote for an effete metrosexual lawyer or an academy puke who wears Depends for prez? Race is not a factor in my decision. Hate lawyers and service academy grads!

Sarah Palin needs get out there and say Obama gets a bikini wax just like me!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 9:01 AM

Because there are a lot of uninformed voters who think they are voting for John Warner when they vote for Mark Warner?

Posted by: TJF | October 10, 2008 9:43 AM

Or is it wishful thinking from yet another Washington Post partisan hack?

Posted by: JSmith | October 10, 2008 9:50 AM

"That one" will be my president and the other is just a mean old scrooge who thinks is entitled to presidency.

Posted by: Obama08 | October 10, 2008 9:52 AM

TJF, Mark Warner was the Governor of Virginia from 2002-2006, and the most popular Governor in this state in a very long time. I seriously doubt there is a Virginia intelligent enough to find a voting place that doesn't know the difference between Mark Warner and John Warner.

Posted by: PY | October 10, 2008 9:54 AM

I vote for Mccain and Warner. Would be a tougher choice if the VA Republican Party had pulled their collective heads out their butts and put their best candidate out their Tom Davis.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 9:55 AM

This article started out with a lot of promise, and then it turned into just another "if you don't vote for Obama, you must be a racist" article. Too bad.

Posted by: PY | October 10, 2008 9:55 AM

For those stating that Obama's past ir IRRELEVANT, it is not necessarily just the matter of his associations, but the whole equation of Obama's character, judgement and truthfulness.

Rev.Wright + Ayers + Raines + (Fannie Mae + Freddie MAC) + ACORN + Farhkan (SP) + Rezko + refusal to show his college transcripts + refusal to show full length vaul copy birth certificate + refusal to show that he is no longer an Indonesian Citizen =

= A great forumla for corruption, bad judgement, liar, deceitful, criminalist behaviors, etc. etc.

Some state that the last two are just crazy, but the last time I checked our Constitution states one must be a Natural Born Citizen, which as of right now OBama is not. If he is, then why block people from seeing this, why request a dismissal of the court proceeding in PA? Just show the LEGAL PROOF so it can be dropped and his integrity and truthfulness is not called into question about those two issues.

All of the above goes to question not just his judgement/character, but what the heck he will do if he is elected and whom he will bring into the white house to corrupt our country even further than it already his (referring to the corruption of the congress of course).

Posted by: UnPoliticallyCorrect2008 | October 10, 2008 10:01 AM

It's only those voters who will only vote white. This will happen every election because of lack of integration. People only associates based on their race and religion in this country. Politicians and business owners still tries very hard to keep it that way for their own benefit. For example, this gur or girl named unpoliticallycorrect 2008 in these comment section is full of hate for black people.

Posted by: Max | October 10, 2008 10:14 AM

Virginians who lived through Gilmore's governorship find it hard to vote for him for senate regardless of their party affiliation. His social conservatism goes beyond the republican platform and perhaps more importantly, this marks the third "low-road" campaign he has run. He just makes it so hard for people to get behind him.

Posted by: John Helms | October 10, 2008 10:18 AM

unpoliticallycorrect2008,

Obama's birth certificate is posted on :fightthesmears.com".

If you are too stupid to go to that website and see that you are wrong, then I understand why you are stupid enough to beleive any of the rumors about his associations.

In fact, if you are too stupid to go to the website to see the birth certificate, I DOUBT you are smart enough to go to the websites and learn about THE CANDIDATES POLICIES.

If you do not know anything about the policies, then I can understand why you like McCain, besides his policies being completely wrong, he is a nice guy.

Posted by: Stupid People Piss Me Off. | October 10, 2008 10:19 AM

We definitely get the government we deserve. Look around at what's happening. The Republicans won last time and the time before by hate mongering. Wake up!

Posted by: Gerti Hamilton | October 10, 2008 10:19 AM

>>>If you do not know anything about the policies, then I can understand why you like McCain, besides his policies being completely wrong, he is a nice guy.

///

Unfortunately with this last bitter attempt, McCain is losing the ONE thing he had going for him. Honor.

Posted by: JoeFromQC | October 10, 2008 10:24 AM

OBAMA BIDEN 08!!!

Posted by: NETHERLANDS ANTILLES | October 10, 2008 10:26 AM

I watched all day on news showing McCain’s interview on Fox News about wanting Obama to come out with the truth about Ayers so the public can decide. Why isn’t anyone calling out McCain on his hypocrisy on TROOPERGATE? He asks that Obama come clean, yet he sends his lawyers to Alaska to cover up TROOPERGATE. Why doesn’t McCain let Palin testify about her TROOPERATE connection so the American Public can decide – the same standard he wants to apply to Obama.

I don’t want to hear this crap that TROOPERGATE is politically motivated and that the AYERS connection isn’t. American people are not stupid. One thing we can’t stand is a hypocrite.


I’m upset that the media televises McCain's hypocrisy when applying the standard of truth for Obama yet ignores his effort in covering up his VP involvement in TROOPERGATE. If judgment is what McCain is questioning about Obama, shouldn’t the American pubic question McCain’s judgment for picking a VP that may be using her powers for personal reasons? Especially after 8 years of Dick Chaney. After all, Palin's character could be a heart beat away from the Presidency if McCain is elected. If McCain wants the American pubic to decide what is true, than let Palin testify. She seems to have some CHARACTER flaws so she is the last person who should be pointing fingers


The media keeps dropping the ball. Everything McCain seems to criticize about Obama seems to apply in his own campaign.

Posted by: steeve | October 10, 2008 10:27 AM

Racism is still a part of this country, whether you like it or not. Whether you feel comfortable talking about it or not.

I am a white male. My daughter is 8 months. She doesn't know the meaning of racism or prejudice.

I am truly excited for her to start her education in life while having an intelligent, hard-working, country-dedicated, black man as our president.

We as Americans have been saying for generations that our country is one where anyone can achieve his or her goals with enough hard work and dedication, isn't it time we proved it?

Posted by: Mike | October 10, 2008 10:27 AM

I vote for the person and not the party. I am voting McCain and Warner. I like what both men have done. Obama is scary with a socialist agenda. His associations tell a lot. People run in circles with people who share their view. Obama has too many people who are racist and hate this country. He also wants the government to run our lives. The government can't run anything, but a huge deficit.

Posted by: nookly23 | October 10, 2008 10:28 AM

Hey UnPoliticallyCorrect2008, most of the issues that you bring up are addressed on www.factcheck.org

Check it out!

Posted by: Jay | October 10, 2008 10:29 AM

Agreed UnPoliticallyCorrect2008, and at the same time have McCain release his full military record.

Posted by: RealTime2008 | October 10, 2008 10:30 AM

What's disappointing to me is tht the people who defend Obama with so much zeal don't seem to have done much research on the guy. He launched his political career at the home of Bill Ayers. That's not an allegation, that's a fact. He also helped Tony Rezko secure $14 million in goverment money. Again this is not an allegation, it is fact. Tony Rezko was a top fundraiser for Obama in Illinois, and he is now going to prizon because he has been convicted of 16 felonies related to political corruption.

All of these are easily verifiable facts, and they deserve due consideration, even if the media that wants so badly to help Obama get elected is loathe to do so.

Posted by: PY | October 10, 2008 10:33 AM

Do you know word PUMA?

Posted by: John | October 10, 2008 10:36 AM

The government can't run anything, but a huge deficit.

Posted by: nookly23
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I think you mean "the Republicans" can't run anything but a huge debt. The budget was balanced under the last Democrat pres.

Posted by: Ben | October 10, 2008 10:40 AM

When they are in the booth won't be the litmus test, it will be the real test. If these people can't bring themselves to vote for the more intelligent candidate who has their interests in mind, then they deserve what they get. Unfortunately if they win out, I'll have to suffer along with them.

Posted by: Steve | October 10, 2008 10:41 AM

McCain demands that Obama come clean, but doesn't say what he is accusing him of. What is he saying Obama has done? Obama has said in public that he thinks what Ayers did (when Obama was 8 years old) was despicable. Obama didn't do it, and he has not had a friendship with the man, otherwise you can bet McCain would be out there showing all the pictures. If McCain has nothing on him, he is just trying to manufacture another lie. Innocent until proven guilty, remember????

Posted by: Katharine | October 10, 2008 10:41 AM

If the Democrats don't turn out 80% of the Democratic vote and don't go out there with baseball bats to protect the voters, then they deserve to live under the Republican yoke.

None of you educated clowns here appear to understand that we're in a (barely) civil war for the very survival of out beloved USA.

Look at the "Joe Sixpacks" and other
scum suckers making up today's Re-ugly-can "base". This union of fascists and debils is ready to fight for whatever nonsense they believe in. The only thing that'll stop 'em is a critical mass of progressives ready to confront them, physically if necessary. I'm beginning to appreciate the talents of Vladimir Lenin who knew how to mobilize (supposedly) progressive forces and confront the reactionaries.


Posted by: SAm | October 10, 2008 10:44 AM

The last time this country elected someone on so-called CHARACTER, that turned out really well didn't it?
Let's not keep repeating our same mistakes. Let's not keep with the same failed policies.

Posted by: MD | October 10, 2008 10:45 AM

All of these are easily verifiable facts, and they deserve due consideration, even if the media that wants so badly to help Obama get elected is loathe to do so.

Posted by: PY
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Ayers is a prominent, respected authority on education in Illinois. Everyone working on education issues at least in Chicago knows and has worked with him. There is nothing illegal about knowing him. Therefore there's no story, no dirt to report.

Rezko has been a well-know fund raiser for many Illinois politicians. That is not illegal either. Obama returned the contributions that he received via Rezko, and there is no connection between Rezko's crimes and Obama, according to Illinois investigators. No news to report.

Sorry.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 10:49 AM

The time is now!
To remind Americans that Barack Hussein Obama is just another politician that will do or say whatever it takes to fulfill his political ambitions. Barack is calculated and methodical about hiding his true convictions and intentions, and uses deception to get elected.

The time is now!
For Americans to remember Barack Hussein Obama’s intimate 20 year relationship with the Priest of Hate, Jeremiah Wright, who blessed Barack and Michelle marriage and baptized both their daughters. AND, to remember the hideous videos of Jeremiah Wright’s congregation which included the Obamas, damning America with bombastic joy, after the Muslim’s criminal attack on America on 9/11.

The time is now!
For Americans to remember how Barack's Priest of Hate, Jeremiah Wright used his tax-exempt church to exercise a radical political agenda, and how he refers to Israel, as well as America, as a "racist" State. Barack's religious leader, Jeremiah Wright believes that the true 'Chosen People' are the blacks; and that black values are superior to middle-class American values.
 Indeed Barack's Priest of Hate, Jeremiah Wright is a black supremacist.

The time is now!
To remind Americans that Barack Hussein Obama wants to be president to implement Jeremiah Wright’s dream of a black supremacist society in America.

The time is now!
For Americans of all political parties to come together to preserve the future of the country we love and have always been proud of, by voting for a True American Patriot and War Hero who risked his life for our country:
John McCain for President of the United States of America.

Country First!
Americans for John McCain/Sarah Palin

Posted by: Manolete | October 10, 2008 10:52 AM

Hey UnPoliticallyCorrect2008 why aren't you calling for McCain to release his FULL medical record since we are all about transparency and leadership and while you are at it kindly request him to address the connection of his VP choice husband's connection and involvment in a seccesionist organization which if I made add SP addressed some meetings!!!

OBAMA/BIDEN ... YES WE CAN!!!

Posted by: just curious | October 10, 2008 10:55 AM

McCain is a wiennie!

Posted by: barrett hays | October 10, 2008 10:55 AM

If Obama is said to be pals with a terrorist because of his association with Ayers on some board, then the woman who appointed Ayers to the board is even more of a PAL to a terrorists. She endorsed John McCain and McCain welcomes that endorsement.

Go on and say it: Everyone that works with Bill Ayers is Anti-American and pals with a terrorist.

hehehe, gotta love the McCain campaign, they hate that everyone is talking about Obama, but all they do is: Talk about Obama.

Posted by: Koronin | October 10, 2008 10:56 AM

OMG. OK, Obama helps a fundraiser and his former boss (Tony Rezko and Allison Davis) secure $14 million dollars in taxpayer money, and Rezko goes on to be convicted of 16 felonies related to political corruption. And we shouldn't look into it, because Rezko says Obama wasn't involved on his crimes.

That's funny.

Posted by: PY | October 10, 2008 10:57 AM

The time is now!
To remind Americans that Barack Hussein Obama wants to be president to implement Jeremiah Wright’s dream of a black supremacist society in America.

The time is now!

Posted by: Manolete
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The time is now for you to go back on your meds. Remember Manolete, the things you hear in your head when no one is around, those aren't real.

Posted by: Axel | October 10, 2008 10:58 AM

It's unfortunate how many Americans are living in the past. Time has come where we must ask ourselves, do we want to live in a country where the color of a person's skin is the barometer how they should be judged?
For all those who are drinking FOX's/MCCain's koolaid about Senator Obama's association with Ayres etal., have you taken the time to ascertain the cogency of their fallacious arguments? Do you really believe that the guilt by association standard should be applied to the Annenberg's? As a former student of Professor Ayre's, am I also "palling around with terrorist?"
People wake up! We've come too far as a nation to allow political pandering to be the judgement call for us. Stop allowing talking heads to dictate your thinking. Be an independent thinker..
Mr. McCain aka "the reformer," now has an epihany that he wants to roo tout corruption in Washington DC after being there for 26 years. He was the same one who championed the call for deregulation that have us in this financial crisis that we're in. He was the same one who in his words admit that he made a bad judgement call with his association with Charles Keating.
On both sides of the aisle we can attempt to coordinate that "guilt by association," in order to win political points. However, at the end of the day, what does that do for our dinnertime conversations about our finances? how does that help the elderly when their social security is cut? How does it help us everytime we visit the doctor and we watch helplessly as our copayments continue to increase. God forbid if we are without health care.
The time has come where we must not let politicians score political points at our expense. The financial crisis that's before us goes beyond Barrack Obama and John McCain. AS an independent i've looked at what both candidates are saying and I read their platforms. To me, the best choice that we have now is to elect the Obama/Biden ticket for President/ Vice President.

Posted by: dereck | October 10, 2008 11:02 AM

To Stupidpeoplepissmeoff:

1) Fight the smears uses Annenberg's factcheck.org as its source. Remember Annenberg? But it's interesting that since the Berg Suit (obamacrimes.com) he's now ACKNOWLEDGING he held dual citizenship with Kenya (which ARGUABLY could disqualify him from serving as POTUS under Article II)

2) LOTS of evidence the birth certificate is a photoshopped FAKE.

3) Whether born in HI or not is irrelevant! He was an INDONESIAN citizen once adopted by Soetoro, and there is documented evidence that he registered in school in Indonesia as both an INDONESIAN citizen AND a MUSLIM!

4) Since Indonesia DID NOT recognize Dual Citizenship, so to be an Indonesian citizen means he'd FORFEITED his US citizenship. If he got it back, it was thru NATURALIZATION, which is EXPLICITLY ineligible to serve as POTUS!! Keep your eye on the Berg suit. Obama's motion to dismiss has NOT been granted!

Posted by: edeldoug | October 10, 2008 11:03 AM

Troopergate?

That's a bit of a stretch. There is not gate there. The Governor had the authority to fire the man for any reason whatsoever. She offered him a different job, he declined.

The official reason for the firing? He was working with Senator French behind the back of the administration to double the cost and size of the village safety officer force.

Yes, that is the same Senator French who is leading the alleged 'investigation' and who declared the Governor guilty before the investigation was conducted or the witnesses were heard.

And who did he hire to lead the investigation? Why none other than the fired mans attorney and friend.

Can you say 'the fix is in'? I knew you could my friends.

But then that is what Democrats are all about these days. Corrupt!

Posted by: NickAtNight | October 10, 2008 11:04 AM

Obama/Ayers: Let's not overlook ANNENBERG! Obama and Ayers served on the Annenberg board together, overseeing the expenditure of millions of dollars. The records are still "unavailable". Meantime, whenever Obama is criticized he refers to his "fight the smears" website, which cites as its only source of facts, the FACTCHECK.ORG website... which is run by Annenberg! Umm, what does that say about credibility?

Obama/ACORN: ACORN is the very definition of a "community organizer" and the ties between Obama and ACORN are abundant. As a lawyer, he representaed ACORN. His campain has PAID ACORN. ACORN has been tied to so much voter fraud that they ought to be investigated under RICO! Not just this election cycle, they've been at it for DECADES! Know why Sen McCaskill was such an early and ardent Obama supporter? ACORN's activities in MO made the difference in her squeaker defeat of incumbent Jim Talent. She OWES ACORN! The tag line to hammer home... ACORN: "Where you're never too dead to vote twice!" There are a number of ACORN people now doing time in MO for voter fraud!

And raising the Keating 5 as Obama's response to Ayers???

People forget the ACTUAL outcome of the Keating 5 investigations!

There were 5 Senators investigated. 4 Democrats, and 1 Republican, John McCain. Three Senators were determined to have acted improperly: Cranston (D), Riegle (D) and DeConcini (D). The other two Senators were found to have done nothing improper and received no censure. Senators John Glenn (American Hero & Astronaut) and John McCain (American Hero and POW) were both criticized for poor judgment for attending meetings, but neither was considered to have had significant involvement, and neither was deemed to have committed impropriety, violation of law or violation of Senate Rules.

The 3 Senators censured did not seek re-election and their years in elected office were ended.

Senator John Glenn sought and won re-election, serving until he retired in 1999. Senator John McCain has been re-elected thru his present term and run for the presidency.

Interestingly, Senator DeConcini was later appointed by President Bill Clinton in February 1995 to the Board of Directors of the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation.

Posted by: edeldoug | October 10, 2008 11:04 AM

Hate first! Country Second. Palin loves it when her supporters tell her to take her gloves off. Neither of them say anything when their supporters shout kill him, off with his head, terrorist, or tell a black camera crew member to sit down boy and call him the N word.
Wake up right wing christians you aren't for hate.
McCain just called us his fellow prisoners the other day. Come on people, he is out of it, and she is not fit to be on the PTA.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 11:05 AM

From Gallup...

...while 6% of voters say they are less likely to vote for Barack Obama because of his race, 9% say they are more likely to vote for him...

Posted by: Go Vegetarian! | October 10, 2008 11:09 AM

The Presidential race boils down to a simple formula, if you are happy with the last eight years, vote McCain for the next four. My bet is that voters will throw the Republican bums out, "major league" as Dick Cheney yells when Joe Biden pulls the VP chair out from under his arrogant butt.

Posted by: Tom in Alabama | October 10, 2008 11:09 AM

It's not Obama's race that disturbs me.It's his background and policy.
i think an Obama loss is going to be difficult,and an Obama win would be tragic.

Posted by: you | October 10, 2008 11:12 AM

"The Presidential race boils down to a simple formula, if you are happy with the last eight years, vote McCain for the next four. My bet is that voters will throw the Republican bums out, "major league" as Dick Cheney yells when Joe Biden pulls the VP chair out from under his arrogant butt." - Tom in Alabama

Some people see it that way. I don't. Bush tried to run this country like a dictatorship, I don't think McCain would. I hate Bush but I don't think that the economic problems have anything to do with him. Democrats have been in control of congress for almost 2 years now, have they produced any great ideas for turning around the economy? Nope.

This is a hard call for me because both of these guys are typical political animals. But ironically enough, it's Obama's record in politics that looks the most like politics as usual.

Posted by: PY | October 10, 2008 11:18 AM

Why no press about McCain's ties to organized crime? Cindy McCain's father worked with organized crime families to build his beer empire. I don't want a criminal for president.

Posted by: law abiding citizen | October 10, 2008 11:19 AM

And we shouldn't look into it, because Rezko says Obama wasn't involved on his crimes.

That's funny.

Posted by: PY
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The state of Illinois said Obama had nothing to do with Rezko's illegal activities.

Regarding Obama, Rezko was a developer of low-income housing and in that capacity, Obama was one of many who supported Rezko's bid to perform work for the state. Rezko has not been convicted of a crime related to that work.

Go ahead and investigate if you don't believe those law enforcement professionals that have already done it, but until you come up with "evidence" that doesn't currently exist, your hysteria is simply in your own imagination.

Posted by: Ben | October 10, 2008 11:20 AM

"He was the same one who championed the call for deregulation that have us in this financial crisis that we're in."

Uh, the current crisis was caused by the Fannie-May and Freddie-Mac. Senator Obama is in that up to his eyeballs.

Posted by: NickAtNight | October 10, 2008 11:22 AM

"Rev.Wright + Ayers + Raines + (Fannie Mae + Freddie MAC) + ACORN + Farhkan (SP) + Rezko + refusal to show his college transcripts + refusal to show full length vaul copy birth certificate + refusal to show that he is no longer an Indonesian Citizen =

= A great forumla for corruption, bad judgement, liar, deceitful, criminalist behaviors, etc. etc."

I don't think even if Obama successfully passed every single one of your litmus tests that you hillbillies will then drop your natural racist tendencies of looking down on peoples of other races. Based on your natural disposition (racism) you'll were not meant to vote for Obama. Those who were meant to vote for him will do so. So, spare us your little racist excuses beacuse I assure you that your vote will not add or take away from Obama's victory or defeat.

Posted by: Me | October 10, 2008 11:23 AM

I hear obama's second cousin's neighbor's former roommate was a communist cross dressing taliban that wants to teach kindergartners GAY terrorist sex!!!!

Vote NO to communist radical GAY terrorist pedophiles in the white house.

McCain/Failin 08

Posted by: licnyc | October 10, 2008 11:25 AM

Its obvious the guy in John McCains crowd yelling and screaming was a plant.If you couldnt see that,they have some snake oil to sell you too..
McCain/Palin have started running negative attack ads because they cant think of anything else.Makes you wonder what would happen if they were in the White House and things went wrong huh?I have the utmost respect for His service to his country,but Im not sure being shot down and being a POW makes him a great leader.Just as being married to a woman worth over $100 million,owning 7+ houses,thinking you have to make $5 million a yr to be wealthy,and thinking our economy is fundementally sound just a week ago,would make him understand what the average person in this country is going through!! In fact,I think he has no Idea!!

Posted by: 1 | October 10, 2008 11:27 AM

Freddie and Fannie are only part of the problem. The real problem, or bigger problem at any rate came from the deregulation that McCain has been championing for his entire career. And if you think McCain isn't out for special interests take a look into his record regarding the Mt. Graham Red Squirrel. McCain was all for destroying its habitat as long as the University of Az got a big stake in the telescopes they were trying to put on Mt. Graham. They could have easily chosen a different mountain in a different state that didn't have these squirrels.

Posted by: Steve | October 10, 2008 11:29 AM

I hear obama's second cousin's neighbor's former roommate was a communist cross dressing taliban that wants to teach kindergartners GAY terrorist sex!!!!


Posted by: licnyc
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You forgot that he's also a pack of wolves who has eaten members of his own family on galaxies far, far away.

Posted by: Ben | October 10, 2008 11:30 AM

You havent seen Obama running adds saying:Do you want a First lady in the White House that stole prescription drugs from people,because of her drug problem?
Or a VP that cant run her own family much less the Country!!

Posted by: 1 | October 10, 2008 11:34 AM

I would also say,if McCAin wants to talk about all his experiance,his 26+ yrs of service as a senator,that makes him more to blame for why our country is in the shape its in,and under his parties adminstration.
McCain and Palin are'nt mavericks,they are more like a stick horse and a nag!!

Posted by: 1 | October 10, 2008 11:43 AM

Bush caused the subprime mess with his American Dream Downpayment Act and McCain voted for it along with all the other Republicans.
http://www.hud.gov/news/release.cfm?content=pr03-140.cfm

Be sure to thank McCain for the mess he helped create.

Posted by: too many lies | October 10, 2008 11:45 AM

Edeldoug, you need to brush up on your knowledge of what it takes to renounce your citizenship and your fact check history.

Obama lived in Indonesia for 3 years from the age of seven until ten. As a minor his citizenship cannot be renounced for him, he would have had to prove to a US Consular or Diplomatic officer he knew he fully understood what he was doing in renouncing his US citizenship and he would have had to do this in writing. He also would have had to sign a document that states that he was renouncing his citizenship. Because it would HAVE to be in writing it would be part of PUBLIC RECORD.

Since he was born in the United States and there is no record in the US of his denouncing his Citizenship he is still a US citizen. Also even if his parents made him a naturalized citizen of Idonesia, it doesn't prevent him from still being a US citizen since he was a minor and he did not officially relenquish his US citizenship. It does not matter if Inodesia doesn't recognize dual citizenship, it's the US that does and it's US citizenship that you are calling into question.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001481----000-.html

http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_776.html

Good job trying to sound smart, but you're wrong. Read the documents/law yourself.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 11:54 AM

Remember, using the standard applied to Bush, everything is Barrack Husseins fault starting January 21. By the time four years are up the Republicans will be back; I'm just hopeful the ones in Congress can stall the leftist agenda until then.

Posted by: Stick | October 10, 2008 12:40 PM

The budget was only balanced on papper under Bill Clinton. That was under the assumption the next set of congressmen/women would continue the policies created by the Republican majority in congress at the time Clinton was president. Please review the facts befor saying such stupid things as "Clinton Balanced the Budget" That is not correct!

Posted by: RMueller | October 10, 2008 12:50 PM

Why is McLiar hiding his likely Treasury Secretary (and chief economic platform architect) Phil Gramm?

Gramm and his wife are at the root of the deregulation of much of America's commerce (Enron loophole anyone?) and our nation's economic collapse can be traced back to Gramm.

The banking collapse is a mirror image of the S&L scandal that brought us the KEATING 5.

Too bad the arrogant do-nothing nearly last in his class squid McLiar didn't bother to learn anything from his involvement in the last banking collapse that required taxpayers to foot the bill.

It's so comforting as my 401K implodes that Mr. Magoo is fumbling around babbling about some irrelevant hippy radical.

He obviously understands what is important in America!!

Unfortunately for me, I don't have $100M or 13 different houses to choose from for my retirement...

Posted by: NATION OF WHINERS | October 10, 2008 12:53 PM

TOO MANY LIES - I am a Democrat and voting for Obama but you are incorrect. Bush tried in 2003 to further regulate fannie mae and freddie mac an it was shot down in congress due to political policy of affordable housing. Mccain also tried to add regulations in 2005. I am not a fan of either Bush or Mccain but they tried to solve the problem and it was shot down by us Democrats.

Posted by: Ktrolli | October 10, 2008 12:57 PM

here's what they say about Johnny Mac in Zona:

John McCain derived his wealth from his marriage to Cindy Hensley McCain, whose FELON father started his road to riches as a bootlegger. As a politician, the senator has remained beholden to the liquor industry and the family business

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/content/printVersion/167059

Posted by: McLiar's MOB TIES? | October 10, 2008 1:01 PM

isn't advocating for secession the equivalent of treason?

why hasn't the self-proclaimed hawkeee mawm undertaken an investigation of the influence of the radical AIP in her own administration? in her own bedroom?

hopefully the rumors about her son's meth problems are only rumors...

Posted by: Vogler's Ghost | October 10, 2008 1:08 PM

None of the democrats I know realy want Obama as our president. Its sad because two of my best friends that are democrats were asked via (home calls) which direction they were leaning and they sadly told the person Obama and then laughed about it with me saying they were really voting for Mccain. Just goes to show you not to read into the polls!

Posted by: laura S. | October 10, 2008 1:08 PM

but McLiar invented the Blackberry!

weeeee rethuglican politics the Rovian way!!

Posted by: Bill Daly is fmr Commerce Secretary | October 10, 2008 1:10 PM

Hey LAURA S. I hope your joking because if thats true we might see a McCain win this November. Now I will definately show up to vote for Obama.

Posted by: jbird | October 10, 2008 1:12 PM

too bad he doesn't know how to use a computer!

whoops.

Posted by: Mr Magoo | October 10, 2008 1:12 PM

investing in the future instead of making angry nonsensical rants and grasping for straws about the past...

Posted by: ANOTHER DONATION FOR OBAMA/BIDEN | October 10, 2008 1:14 PM

DEMOCRATS FOR MCCAIN!DEMOCRATS FOR MCCAIN!DEMOCRATS FOR MCCAIN!DEMOCRATS FOR MCCAIN!DEMOCRATS FOR MCCAIN!DEMOCRATS FOR MCCAIN!

Posted by: Gordan | October 10, 2008 1:14 PM

TROOPERGATE!TROOPERGATE!TROOPERGATE!
TROOPERGATE!TROOPERGATE!TROOPERGATE!
TROOPERGATE!TROOPERGATE!TROOPERGATE!
TROOPERGATE!TROOPERGATE!TROOPERGATE!
TROOPERGATE!TROOPERGATE!TROOPERGATE!
TROOPERGATE!TROOPERGATE!TROOPERGATE!
TROOPERGATE!TROOPERGATE!TROOPERGATE!
TROOPERGATE!TROOPERGATE!TROOPERGATE!

Posted by: END OF FAILED GOP ERA | October 10, 2008 1:17 PM

Why does everyone get mad when they hear that John McCain has so many houses. Dont be jealous and think that Obama is the way to your own success. The only way for us common folk to get rich is to stick with a company and work your way up the latter. Not sit on your ass typing negative comments about presidential candidates.

Posted by: JoeyK. | October 10, 2008 1:19 PM

TONY REZKO!TONY REZKO!TONY REZKO!TONY REZKO!TONY REZKO!TONY REZKO!TONY REZKO!TONY REZKO!TONY REZKO!TONY REZKO!

REV. WRONG!REV. WRONG!REV. WRONG!REV. WRONG!REV. WRONG!REV. WRONG!REV. WRONG!

If it were not for these issues that Obama continues to lie about I would vote for him. Oh by the way I am a Democrat and yes I did vote for Kerry!

DEMOCRATS FOR MCCAIN

Posted by: STACY C. | October 10, 2008 1:23 PM

I will agree with Stacy C. I am a die hard African American Democrat but I will not be voting for Obama. Its about experience not the glitz and glamour of the first black president.

Posted by: DEMOCRAT FOR 20 YEARS | October 10, 2008 1:29 PM

TOO MANY LIES - I am a Democrat and voting for Obama but you are incorrect. Bush tried in 2003 to further regulate fannie mae and freddie mac an it was shot down in congress due to political policy of affordable housing. Mccain also tried to add regulations in 2005. I am not a fan of either Bush or Mccain but they tried to solve the problem and it was shot down by us Democrats.

Posted by: Ktrolli | October 10, 2008 1:30 PM

Clearly Warner voters are racist pigs.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 1:30 PM

DEMOCRAT FOR 20 YEARS.

IT DOESNT MATTER WHO THE PERSON IS THIS IS OUR CHANCE TO GET ONE OF OWN ELECTED FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY. BESIDES HE COULDNT BE WORSE THAN BUSH! AS LONG AS HES BLACK I GOT HIS BACK

Posted by: BLACKS FOR OBAMA!!! | October 10, 2008 1:32 PM

BLACKS FOR OBAMA!!! The way you just described how most African Americans think is the exact reason you will never get the repect you people deserve.

Posted by: Adam | October 10, 2008 1:36 PM

No doubt in my mind when it comes to Obama all I can say is BRADLEY EFFECT!BRADLEY EFFECT!BRADLEY EFFECT!

Posted by: Jeni | October 10, 2008 1:39 PM

Ktrolli - I provided a link to a government website so that you can see the facts for yourself. No media bias, no spin other than the White House promotion of its plan. It was passed unanimously by a Republican congress and signed by Bush. The Democrats did not create the act and had no way to stop it. 2003 is when the bubble started.

------------------

Bush caused the subprime mess with his American Dream Downpayment Act and McCain voted for it along with all the other Republicans.
http://www.hud.gov/news/release.cfm?content=pr03-140.cfm

Be sure to thank McCain for the mess he helped create.

Posted by: too many lies | October 10, 2008 1:48 PM

Maybe they think it's John Warner vs. Happy Gilmore....

Posted by: Bruce | October 10, 2008 2:10 PM

In addition to "UnPoliticallyCorrect's" (and Manolete, who always has the same tired) comments, check out these other Obama facts, which I read in the comments responding to an article in a Seattle newspaper:

Obama actually helped Bill Ayers build bombs!

At eight years of age, Obama was the youngest ever Black Panther radical and actually built and placed terrorist bombs alongside the Weather Underground!
Also, in 1968 at age seven he placed third in the Olympics and wore a black leather glove raised in a "black power" fist sign while the national anthem played!
Also-too (h/t to S.P.), he participated in the kidnapping of Patty Hearst!
Also-too, he broke up the Beatles!

Shocking. Clearly, a man with this much power is too dangerous to become president.

Posted by: Babzilicious | October 10, 2008 6:12 PM

So you think the economy is tanking now? The Keating Five would have been the Keating Four without McCain. Those guys bilked old folks and ordinary people out of their life savings. Imagine what senile idiot McCain and Caribou Barby would do with the horrendous mess left by the Bush Administration. Why is nobody talking about the Keating Five?

Posted by: kyle | October 10, 2008 6:40 PM

In terms of character and policy decisions of the two candidates you people are mental if you think McCain has more integrity than Obama.

Obama's association with Bill Ayers began when they served on the Chicago city council together. It is also well acknowledged that to be influential and well versed in Chicagoan education policy Bill Ayers is your man. Obama used him and many others a stepping stone to get where he is now. Not to mention that Obama was 8 years old when Ayers plotted his attacks!

John McCain has received more money in the form of campaign finance etc from the gambling industry than EVER OTHER SENATOR! He was also a key player in the corruption scandal of the Keating Five. His congressional votes of the eighties directly led us to the financial crises we face now. And he is well known in dc for having a celebrity obsession.

John McCain is the real elitist in this campaign. Not 'that one', who grew up in the rural mid-west raised by a single mother.

And as for those of you who liked Gilmore' car tax, are you aware that the state funds that dried up as a result of no car tax directly cut into VA education? On average VA public Universities had to cut 7-10 million dollars out of their budgets...are you so cheap you would sacrifice your education for a few hundred dollars off your new ride?

Posted by: beltway insider: born and raised | October 10, 2008 10:22 PM

Count me as a McCain-Warner voter. I've voted for president since 1976 and I've never voted for a GOPer, but for the same reasons that Kerry wanted McCAin as v.p. and Biden said that he thought McCain could win for either party, I support him. Besides, obama and his people are one odd group who remind me more of Nixon & bush.

Posted by: Tony S. | October 11, 2008 3:42 AM

I'm a McCain/Warner voter. My issue is "results" and only "results." I look at McCain and I see "McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Reform." I see the "McCain-Kennedy Immigration Bill." As much as I like what Obama is saying, I'm old enough to know that politicians can SAY anything, but once they get in behind the desk, nothing happens. I have no reason to believe Obama is anything more than empty words - because he's never actually done any of these things before. If he believes that Congress is going to magically come together in January and sing Kum-ba-yah, he's hallucinating. At least with McCain I believe he might have the strength to manhandle Congress and force them to do their job. In Gilmore's case, I see a man who hosed the state economy. He ignored growth. Ignored VDOT. Ignored traffic. Then created MORE state bureaucracy to "eliminate" the car tax. He didn't eliminate it. (1) I'm still paying it. (2) But now I have to pay a bureaucrat in Richmond to collect more income taxes to funnel through the states coffers to pay a county tax. How jacked-up is that? In Warner's case, he gutted the incompetent VDOT management and then pointed out that we taxed food but not dry-cleaning, and re-arranged taxes so they made a bit more sense. I just want someone who will bloody-well DO SOMETHING, and PLEASE think it through.

Posted by: Todd | October 11, 2008 5:12 AM

oops

Posted by: Anonymous | October 11, 2008 8:20 AM

You cant be a lawyer and have integrity. The two are mutaully exclusive.

Look at Obama's body language? Do you think our enemes and friend respect or fear this effete little lawyer. Please.

In today's world this country needs someone the rest of the world fears and respects. Obama just aint the one! They would fear his wife but not him. He is just a liberal metrosexual lawyer!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 11, 2008 8:23 AM

Who are they...they are racists-bigots that's who they are.

Posted by: truth | October 11, 2008 11:08 AM

McCain lost the title of "Maverick" when he caved to the far right choosing a woman who can't even name a news source she reads on a daily basis, but is the poster-girl for ending a woman's right to choose. Plus her administration in AK is turning out to look more amateurish (or dare I say Bush league) than the current administration.

Before Palin, McCain could have came closer to center and earned my vote. Once Bill Richardson (the best choice) was knocked out by the Dem party machinery, my vote was up for grabs. I am not really fired up about Obama, but I know McCain/Palin would be a disaster. What I would love to see is Obama get in office and clean house...including the Democratic leadership in Congress. Tell Nancy and Harry to step aside and put someone effective in there. Maybe the folks in Nevada and CA will do us a favor and defeat them before they continue to mismanage Congress during a friendly administration. Tell Dodd and Barney Frank to step out of their chairmanships as well. New blood in leadership is what is needed...on both sides of the aisle.

Posted by: BurtReynolds | October 12, 2008 9:28 AM

The reason they're voting for Mark Warner instead of Jim Gilmore is easy: JIM GILMORE WAS ONE OF THE ABSOLUTE WORST GOVERNORS THIS STATE EVER HAD!!!! Mark Warner, on the other hand, was one of the best. Our loathesome local conservative newspaper made both cases when each was in office, though it would NEVER admit it now, because the paper never would support the non-Republican even when he is a horrendous candidate. When I've been out canvassing for Obama, even with people who are long time Republicans, when asked if they're going to support Warner or Gilmore, the answer is the same 99% of the time: 'Gilmore! I wouldn't vote for him if he was the only one on the ballot' or something to that effect. It's only the people that would vote for Satan himself named on a ballot under that very name as a Republican that are going to vote for Gilmore: the die-hards who have forgotten what a disaster he was for the state's schools, transportation, poor, and every other person and thing they probably care about. Either that, or they're just plain stupid, heartless, or both.

Posted by: maxiemom | October 12, 2008 9:17 PM

Jim Gilmore wasn't a very good governor. Mark Warner cleaned up Gilmore's budget mess (sound familiar?) and worked with the socially conservative majority Republican Virginia legislature to get the Commonwealth back on track. So I can see how moderate Republicans, if there is such a thing anymore, who are voting for McCain on military/national security issues would be happy to have Mark Warner in the Senate.

Posted by: greyparrot | October 13, 2008 10:51 AM

Wow.. it is amazing how noone really thinks for his/her self. It's amazing that in 2008 we are still dealing with race issues, it's also amazing to think that if Obama really had any terrorist connections that he would be able to run for the presidency of the USA. People that is what vetting of a candidate is for.. don't you think that every aspect of both McCain and Obama's background was looked into and dug up.. and trust if there were ANYTHING that they could find it would have been all over for both of them. It is a fact that Sarah Palin was not properly vetted.. and she proves that fact every time she opens her mouth. Im sad that in this day and age that we can't think for ourselves.. we still can see past race and look at the bigger picture.. we currently have in office a red-blooded American born republican president and look at the state we are in. I am an African American woman and if Pres. Bush were also I would still have the same distaste for him because of the state he has brought our country to. I can assure you.. if McCain was really for the people and Obama had the stance that McCain currently has.. I would be voting republican.. Please let us all make the WISE decision.. based on FACTS.. not what the rumor mill wants you to think or the lies they make up.. but facts.. come on this is the age of technology we have the facts at our finger tips but yet we still rely on the media and the rumors and opinions of others...

Posted by: Amazed.. | October 13, 2008 1:01 PM

Ok.. To the IGNORANT ONE who stated "he way you just described how most African Americans think is the exact reason you will never get the repect you people deserve." Get a freakin clue!! That is the problem "you people" think that when one African American makes a statement that we call just jump on the band wagon and think and feel the same way!! How stupid you are!! That is one of the problems with our country and the race issue... you see a black person acting stupid on TV... and we all get lumped in the same bag!! Im so SICK and TIRED of the ignorance of people!! What state would be REALLY be if we all thought that way about every race in America.. so what are all Caucasion people serial killers!!!? Stupid!!

Posted by: Tied of the IGNORANCE!!! | October 13, 2008 2:00 PM

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