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Of Pro Bowls and Holmgren

Call it Pro Bowl Gate. Call it a genius PR move. Call it a new kind of fantasy fubball. Call it good clean fun. Call it a plan by Steinberg for a travel-budget-bustin' boondoggle journalism assignment in Honolulu. Whatev. He chatted with players about the road to the Pro Bowl and how the Redskins may need their team plane.

He also listened in on a conference call as Mike Holmgren talked about Jim Zorn. Among other gems, Holmgren found Zorn a bit, um, different:

"Oh, I was exposed to it all, but that was after I hired him. I had no idea about the bungee jumping and the sky diving and the all that. I mean, the guy is really an amazing man. And he enjoys life, and he's such a good guy. He used to ride his bicycle to the games. And when he left, I said, 'You know, I don't think you can do that in Washington. I mean, the head coach, you've got to kind of drive the car and do the normal thing.' He might still do that, I don't know. But no, he's fun quirky, you know? He kept us light, and the rest of the coaches teased him a little bit, but he had a lot of energy."

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By Cindy Boren  |  November 20, 2008; 9:00 AM ET
 
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Comments

Gonads!

Posted by: Devo2 | November 20, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

1st or 2nd

Posted by: poolman1200000 | November 20, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

1st or 2nd

Posted by: poolman1200000 | November 20, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

What foolishness do you have today for us?

Posted by: Devo2 | November 20, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

JLC there is something called freedon of speech. How dare you take down my comments. I'm the sole reason why people comment on here.

Posted by: poolman1200000 | November 20, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

NFL, Meet Malcolm Kelly!

That's right folks I'm calling it. 6 receptions for 70 yrds and 1 TD inside the 15 yard line.

Posted by: Devo2 | November 20, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

No Poolman...you're the reason why registration is back with this "report abuse" option.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 20, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Watch it keino83. You will be called a hater for bring up good points. Remember JLC can question the FO and call them to task about stuff. Howerver, the same can't be done to him.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 20, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

poolman,

Cindy pulled your comments not JLC, and I am glad she did, this is no place for your racial crap, even though you are probably kidding.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 20, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

JLC how dare you take down my comments. Thought something was past called freedom of speech.

Posted by: poolman1200000 | November 20, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: poolman1200000 | November 20, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Redskins by 8-13. Let's take care of business. That's the only theme that matters this week.

The Trail Blazers won a game by a huge margin last night, after winning a bunch of close games. In an interview one of the players said the coach challenged them to win in a blowout for once, not to let it be a close game, and they went out and did it.

I'd like to see Zorn issue such a challenge this Sunday, and for the team to go out and do it.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 20, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Personality aside, the true testament of Zorn's coaching will be if he can pull a offensively challenged team into the playoffs. Blache's defense has carried the team all year, Zorn needs to earn his check. It's not like Gibbs II left behind the same mess Spurrier I did. Zorn needs to put the rookies on the field and go for broke: they'll make mistakes, but, if they somehow take pressure of Moss and Portis, that's a better thing in the long run. Plus: all football coaches are nuts, so the continuing stream of stories about Zorn oddities are a bit lame.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 20, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

No, poolman, there is nothing called freedon of speech.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 20, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

I would like to ask Zorny if he feels that my pants are too tight and if so what percentage he would give me to running versus walking until they became uncomfortable. I would then like to call a 44 Go Route and take it to the house.

Posted by: P00P | November 20, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

In theory I agree with JLac about the run pass ratio but in reality it all depends on how healthy your runners are. Portis and Betts were playing injured and were not as effective. Given that your healthiest back is Alexander then the chance of making yardage by throwing 3 yard passes is probably a better option. It all boils down to how many yards you get on first down. If you are looking at 2nd and 9 then your options for sustaining a drive get narrowed--you do a pass or draw play. At third and 5 you have to have a receiver that is clutch for making the hard grab in traffic. I have not seen that from ARE or Thomas this year at all. If Kelly can start and do that than the offense cures itself. So this is just a round about way of saying that a clutch third down receiver makes the running game function by sustaining drives.
Remember that in the Pittsburgh game we were at least 0 for 9 in third down efficiency for three quarters of the game--that was the key statistic.

Posted by: driley | November 20, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: driley | November 20, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

ITA time for the child.

driley, agreed, with Betts and Portis nursing bad wheels, the running game wasn't as effective as it could have been and neither guy could be leaned on to carry the team.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 20, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

one of the players said the coach challenged them to win in a blowout for once, not to let it be a close game, and they went out and did it.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 20, 2008 9:20 AM

Man, who would have thought coaching would be this easy? "Win big" and they did it. What had he been telling them before? "Make it a squeaker."

I wonder if parenting works like this? "I'd like to see you start bringing home A's instead of B+'s!" "Sure, Dad, no probem!"

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 20, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

TE,

I have found that bribery works well with the grades.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 20, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

I have found that bribery works well with the grades.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 20, 2008 9:35 AM

Please, Flounder, we don't use that word. Here in Washington we refer to "incentives" as in "Detroit needs government incentives to build cars as good as a Toyota or Honda."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 20, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

TE,

I have found that bribery works well with the grades.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 20, 2008 9:35 AM |

So do good ole fashioned @$$ whoopings. LOL

Posted by: JinxMan | November 20, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

So do good ole fashioned @$$ whoopings. LOL

Posted by: JinxMan | November 20, 2008 9:40 AM

Please, this is illegal in most states. It has been replaced by "disincentives."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 20, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

jinxman,

When icentives as TE puts it fails, that is when the a$$ whoopings will begin.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 20, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

So do good ole fashioned @$$ whoopings. LOL

Posted by: JinxMan

LMAO! True

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 20, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

te, haha, no kidding. Why anyone buys an American car I have no idea.

Average salary of a GM Union Autoworker - $78.00 per hour

Average salary of a Toyota Union Autoworker - $35.00 per hour.

The Auto Workers union is being bailed out. My 13 year old Camry has over 223 thousand miles on it, I can't afford NOT to have a car last at least that long.

end of rant...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 20, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

+++From re-watching it, the play calling was pretty bad on Zorns part, as well as Blatch's. But hindsigh is what it is..++++


Explain your hindsight, please. Blache held Dallas to 14 points. That is more than good enough for a competent NFL offense to overcome and win, IMO.

Posted by: TheCork | November 20, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

I loved that the heads of the big three in Detroit, all took personel jets to washington to beg for money.

Sh!t if they would just give up there salary for a year or two that would take care of the crisis.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 20, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

+++JLC how dare you take down my comments. Thought something was past called freedom of speech.

Posted by: poolman1200000+++


It's called "Tough Love" Poolman. Out of the kindness of his heart he hoped to free up a little more time for you to work to overcome your overwhelming ignorance and prejudice. Take him to heart.

Posted by: TheCork | November 20, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Average salary of a GM Union Autoworker - $78.00 per hour

Average salary of a Toyota Union Autoworker - $35.00 per hour.

The Auto Workers union is being bailed out. My 13 year old Camry has over 223 thousand miles on it, I can't afford NOT to have a car last at least that long.

end of rant...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 20, 2008 9:44 AM |

Are you kidding me that is around 162,000 a year, I'm in the wrong buisness.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 20, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

+++Because that's an offseason type question. There are games being played. Injuries, subplots (especially in this matchup), player comments, etc. That post ranks dead last among posts that are "interesting" for this time of the season.

And I'm not "wigged out" over it. If you thought that was, you must not be a regular here...

Posted by: brownwood26+++

He's right. Us regulars know Brownwood switches back and forth from his duties at redskin park attacking the Post and his desire to have a column of his own.

as always, we kid with love...

Posted by: TheCork | November 20, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

te, haha, no kidding. Why anyone buys an American car I have no idea.

Average salary of a GM Union Autoworker - $78.00 per hour

Average salary of a Toyota Union Autoworker - $35.00 per hour.

The Auto Workers union is being bailed out. My 13 year old Camry has over 223 thousand miles on it, I can't afford NOT to have a car last at least that long.

end of rant...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 20, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse


SO TRUE!!

Posted by: Soup17 | November 20, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Cork, I thought that Blache didn't do enough in the 4th quarter to stop the run. He was playing a base defense, guys were playing their normal spots. I felt that he should have had 8 guys up on the line, to stop the run, and get the ball back to the offense.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 20, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

BeantownGreg,
They rean the same damned sweep w/Marion Barber on every play in the 4th quarter. I have no idea why we could not make an adjustment to at least stop that play. They must of picked up 3 or 4 first downs running that same play. Again, I have to agree with Bean on this one!

Posted by: Soup17 | November 20, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

you can't view this widget, you can vote here.

By Cindy Boren | November 20, 2008; 9:00 AM ET
Previous: Zorn a Little Pass-Happy Lately? |

If I CAN view the Widget, may I continue to ignore it? Your poll, like awards shows, Pro Bowls and All star games voted on by fans are irrelevant, immaterial and inaccurate.

Call me Old School, but I always figured good journalism and conrtoversy will drive traffic to the site, not gimmicks like these widgets.

Posted by: TheCork | November 20, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Soup, agreed, they were trying to milk the clock, and get outta dodge with a win. The Redskins didn't run blizt, they didn't stack the line, I just couldn't figure it out....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 20, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

+++ JLC there is something called freedon of speech. How dare you take down my comments. I'm the sole reason why people comment on here.

Posted by: poolman1200000+++


Poolman, unable to get much of a rise with his continued attempts at Outrage, turns his lonely eyes toward satire.

Posted by: TheCork | November 20, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

beep, beep...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 20, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

I was wondering why they didn't spread the corners out wide and force Romo to beat them over the middle. Then again...I have no idea what I am talking about I'm just an armchair QB. Overall, I think our defense is great, but I just did not feel as if they pulled all of the stops to help us get the ball back.

I do not fault the players completely...they were on the field an awful freakin' lot.

Posted by: Soup17 | November 20, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

+++Cork, I thought that Blache didn't do enough in the 4th quarter to stop the run. He was playing a base defense, guys were playing their normal spots. I felt that he should have had 8 guys up on the line, to stop the run, and get the ball back to the offense.

Posted by: BeantownGreg+++

Fair enough. But I do think the 'pokes might have been looking for that, and then audibled out of a run, go play action and hit either TO or Williams deep to put the game out of reach.

Eventually, it comes down to: Can your studs stop their studs? The Redskin studs did not.

As someone pointed out on this board, the skins don't draft linemen. And now they are paying the price.

Heavier DEs might help too.

Posted by: TheCork | November 20, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Hourly Labor Costs vs Hourly Labor Wage:

Greg, I think the figure you cited is likely to be the Hourly Labor Cost, which includes the hourly labor wage paid to an employee plus other items. These other items include benefits such as health care and insurance for both active and retired employees and the pensions for retired employees.

Posted by: Markin21132 | November 20, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

The Auto Workers union is being bailed out. My 13 year old Camry has over 223 thousand miles on it, I can't afford NOT to have a car last at least that long.

end of rant...

Love the double negative there.

Now back to football or something more interesting that Detriot and its idiot executives. Seriously, who didn't see consumers tastes shifting to smaller cars.

Posted by: Devo2 | November 20, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, who didn't see consumers tastes shifting to smaller cars.

Posted by: Devo2 | November 20, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Tastes? No. Scan any parking lot and you'll see consumer tastes. What changed in a heartbeat are consumer needs. Unfortunately, an SUV plant can't start churning out Vespas overnight anymore than a rhinoceros can give birth to kittens.

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 20, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Poolman, you give antagonists a bad name.

Beat it nerd.

-OG Barno

Posted by: Barno1 | November 20, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

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