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Rock the Vote: Skins and the First-Round Pick

Has what you've read about USC quarterback Mark Sanchez changed your mind on what the Skins should do with that No. 13 pick? Do tell.

By Cindy Boren  |  April 20, 2009; 8:17 PM ET
 
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FIRST one to endorse orakpo

Posted by: bcarothers | April 19, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Peric, resdkinsfan - there is not a single O-lineman in the NFl that runs a legit 4.7...that is just crazy talk man

But I digress...I do not think that we are going to be picking at 13 - either we will trade up in an asanine attempt to get Sanchez or (hopefully) Zorn and fellow conspirators will dose Danny/Vinny like the A-Team used to be to BA Baracus and, with the brain trust out of commission, trade back and get an OT and LB in the 2nd round. It could happen, right??

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 19, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I say we trade our #13 and our first born if someone will take our FO off our hands...

Posted by: hogmeister | April 19, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I say we offer our #13 and our first born to anyone willing take our FO off our hands...

Posted by: hogmeister | April 19, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I thought Gibbs was still an advisor for the team.Does Danny not realize that with the coaching carosel we've had the last four years JC hasn't even been given a chance to succeed? How bout we fix the OL and if JC doesn't get it done this year THEN we get a "franchise" QB in next years draft(or give Colt a shot)

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | April 19, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

If an OT could run a 4.7 he'd be a DT

Posted by: skinswest | April 19, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

For the love of all things maroon and black.

Trade down.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 19, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse


I thought Gibbs was still an advisor for the team.Does Danny not realize that with the coaching carosel we've had the last four years JC hasn't even been given a chance to succeed? How bout we fix the OL and if JC doesn't get it done this year THEN we get a "franchise" QB in next years draft(or give Colt a shot)

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | April 19, 2009 3:05 PM

One problem with that plan, Vegas - it makes sense. That alone is enough to assure that it will never happen as long as Snyderatto's at the helm. :-/

Posted by: hogmeister | April 19, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Why was the much more blatant need of O-line help not an option in this poll?

I would much rather take one of the four elite tackles in this draft and get a linebacker in the thrid than take Orakpo.

Posted by: morrownd1 | April 19, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

I say we trade our #13 and our first born if someone will take our FO off our hands...

Posted by: hogmeister | April 19, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

hhaha. well said.

and morrow - I agree, can't believe he left "pick the best available OT" as an option. But then again, it is Snyder and Cerrato we're talking about...

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 19, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

All the other polls the fans have been asked to vote on included an Offensive Tackle.
Won't the results of this poll be skewed if an O-Tackle was not included??????
By the way all the other polls with a
O-tackle included has been unanimously for an O-Tackle.
This poll is biased to D-End!!!!
Sanchez would be stupid.
Boldin...We can't afford him because of the Hainsworth signing.
Trade down makes sense if we get a partner with value but who?
This is dumbbbba!!!!

Posted by: skinsfan0524 | April 19, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I'm hoping for a new starting RT at #13 (surprised that wasn't an option in the poll... Smith or Oher has a better chance of being there than Orapko), or a trade down like we did last year... only instead of taking every WR in the draft, use the same philosophy with linemen.

Posted by: dfbovey | April 19, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Draft Rey Maualuga at the 13th spot

Posted by: AaronB1790 | April 19, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

The way Vinnato is running this organization, next year we will have a top ten pick in the draft and next years draft is going to be strong at QB. So, don't waist a pick on Sanchez this year.

Posted by: skinsfan0524 | April 19, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

none of the above.

that's so unfair to not give us none of the above as a choice.

Keep 13 and take the best OT

-or-

Trade down and take best OT

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 19, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

I say we trade our #13 and our first born if someone will take our FO off our hands...

Posted by: hogmeister | April 19, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

hhaha. well said.

and morrow - I agree, can't believe he left "pick the best available OT" as an option. But then again, it is Snyder and Cerrato we're talking about...

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 19, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

This is a Cindy post. Maybe she didn't put draft OT on there because it is OBVIOUSLY the right thing to do for the team. That being the case, we know that Danny and Vinny won't do that, so these are the options that are left.

Posted by: moosepod | April 19, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Why was the much more blatant need of O-line help not an option in this poll?

I would much rather take one of the four elite tackles in this draft and get a linebacker in the thrid than take Orakpo.

Posted by: morrownd1


Why the lack of options?? O-Line makes all the big-ego picks SHINE!!..or are you Giant Moles from Planet X???

Posted by: frak | April 19, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins need to trade down immidiately because their is not one player that can take our team over the top that we would be able to draft at # 13 unless some how Curry falls which is highly unlikely. We need to trade down and aquire as many picks as we can. If Somehow this happens i would draft in this order T,LB,DE,G,RB-scatback,CB,K. I believe if this can happen properly Redskins nation would give Snyder a break becausehe trying to do is win and in the end thats all that matters

Posted by: PardenMiSwage | April 19, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

This from ESPN 980's Frank Hanrahan's blog - horrors!

Draft Week
Apr 19, 2009 -- 12:47pm
The Redskins need help at the offensive line position, the defensive end spot and linebacker but yet the rumors are swirling that the Redskins brass are smitten with USC QB Mark Sanchez. So much so, that they are willing to trade up from #13 to get him with the first round selection. Don't be surprised at all if this happens. I won't. It is crystal clear that Jason Campbell's career in D.C. will be over possibly as soon as this weekend if he gets traded as part of a deal to get Sanchez. The Redskins have made it almost overwhelmingly obvious that they have no intention of signing Campbell when his deal is up after this year. It was just what 4 years ago that Campbell was a first round pick and now they are willing to just let him go maybe for a trade maybe for nothing. Maybe Campbell should be more like Cutler, have a hissy fit and get what he wants which is likely out of Redskins Park as fast as possible. There is no future for him here.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 19, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

no mention of OT or Maualuga......

in..ter...es...ting.....very.....int....ter....es...ting

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 19, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm afraid Snyder feels the damage is done between him and Jason,therefore Sanchez is in our near future.But the reaction at fed ex field would be interesting to see if they indeed traded future picks for Sanchez.I will hold out hope that its misinformation and their hoping Andre Smith will fall to them.Seems like Andre's stock has been rising a little while Orakpo's is sliding a little.I wish I was James Bond I would bug Vinny and Dan's offices because this shi* is driving me crazy.

Posted by: mark65 | April 19, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

with britton prob the best OT available @ 13 and this draft poor in olb that are good in coverage, gotta thinl cushing or ray as best choice then an o-line prospect from there on out

Posted by: hcicron | April 19, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm afraid Snyder feels the damage is done between him and Jason,therefore Sanchez is in our near future.But the reaction at fed ex field would be interesting to see if they indeed traded future picks for Sanchez.I will hold out hope that its misinformation and their hoping Andre Smith will fall to them.Seems like Andre's stock has been rising a little while Orakpo's is sliding a little.I wish I was James Bond I would bug Vinny and Dan's offices because this shi* is driving me crazy.

Posted by: mark65

Mark, I agree. And what is even crazier is who would be our starting QB? Sanchez will not ready...Campbell would have to finally be livid and demand a trade or release and rightfully so.

Also, the players would have to be highly upset at this happening - as here they will be starting over...YET AGAIN.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 19, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

I say we trade our #13 and our first born if someone will take our FO off our hands...

Posted by: hogmeister | April 19, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

hhaha. well said.

and morrow - I agree, can't believe he left "pick the best available OT" as an option. But then again, it is Snyder and Cerrato we're talking about...

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 19, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

This is a Cindy post. Maybe she didn't put draft OT on there because it is OBVIOUSLY the right thing to do for the team. That being the case, we know that Danny and Vinny won't do that, so these are the options that are left.

Posted by: moosepod | April 19, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

How do you know that? I will grant you I don't have a ton of confidence in them doing the right thing, but we don't KNOW that they won't consider an OT. The fact is that it's one of our most glaring needs- that alone merits it being included in any poll on the matter. But I digress yet again...

Who wins in a fight - Bob Dole, Dick Cheney, George W and McCain versus Shaq?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 19, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

one more week and we'll know

you won't be hearing from me if we draft Sanchez, and I live in SoCal.

here's my draft:

1st - OT - Smith, Oher, Britton, or Beatty
3rd - G/C - H. Johnson, E. Wood, A, Caldwell, T. Green
5th - LB - Kaluka Maiava
6th - CB - Glover Quin, or Toler
7th - LB - Josh Mauga, Nick Reed

any local CB, LB, OL, WR from Tech, Maryland, UVA

just throwing darts at the big board

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 19, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

The Bills have floated DE Chris Kelsay's name in trade talks, according to the Buffalo News.
Kelsay, 29, is coming off ankle surgery and has been ineffective since the Bills gave him a new contract in February 2007. He has just five sacks since and has been prone to nagging injuries. Kelsay could help in a rotation elsewhere, but he isn't going to bring back more than a fourth-round pick.
Source: Buffalo News


WE have a 4th round pick... Don't we?

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 19, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

YOUR votes won't affects the REDSKIN Pick Odds (or Odd Picks) Posted on John corcoran' Column..

Excerpt:

CORK’S TAKE TO THE BANK DRAFT ODDS

Sanchez, QB, USC—6 to 1 Danny loves the spotlight and selling lots of jerseys to the suckers. Sanchez fills both needs.However, when Sanchez learns of Washington’s offensive line woes, he may sign as a Somali Pirate instead, since his odds of survival would be better.

Orakpo, DE, Texas--10-1. He’d do best as a hand in the dirt Right Defensive End, where his pass rushing skills would be featured, or converted to outside linebacker in a 3-4 defense. ‘Skins already have a right DE in Andre Carter and play the 4-3.

Thabeet, C, Connecticut--20-1 Without Jason Taylor--whose only skill as a Redskin was batting down passes when he couldn’t reach the QB—the ‘skins need a replacement. All-American hoopster Thabeet is 7’3.” ‘Nuff said...

Link to at

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/NFL%20Team%20Columns/washington_redskins_nfl_team_col.htm

or Http://www.tinyurl.com/Corkcolumn

Posted by: TheCork | April 19, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

I would trade the 13th pick, our FO, Larry Michael and JLA in exchange for free parking at the National Zoo and a handful of Cheetos...

Posted by: p1funk | April 19, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

If they do end up going after Sanchez, I obviously hope that he is the stud the front office (and no one else, really) thinks he is. I think JC would be fine with a line in front of him, just like everyone else has already stated. You look at the first half of the season, when the O-Line was healthy and playing well, and Campbell was completing 65% of his passes and had almost a 100 passer rating. Then, the O-Line started to get tired, and they faced the top 3 defenses in the league, and he has to start running for his life.

Campbell can run this offense, he just needs to be protected effectively. I think the best course of action for the 'Skins is to trade down to a low first round slot and pick up either a 2nd and third or two late seconds (I'm not sure exactly how this would work, as I don't know if there are any teams that possess two late 2nds) and address the needs at Tackle, Guard/Center and Linebacker.

Posted by: Cavalier83 | April 19, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

'...I would much rather take one of the four elite tackles in this draft and get a linebacker in the thrid than take Orakpo...'

This is a great concept, but it won't happen.

Things will be as advertised: the team will move to draft Sanchez and, if it has good sense, trade JC for value, make the rookie a starter, and move on.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 19, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

To draft Sanchez is instant gratification flash-in-the-panism..He may be great someday, but the window on a ton of our high priced all-stars is closing soon, we are NOT TOO FAR from fielding playoff/championship quality football, we need to engineer BULWARK in the trenches..You can draft Sanchez, but then you're stuck with eating a $1 can of sardines and a pack of Arby's Horsey sauce, instead of sashimi and wasabi, though that might be great for a starving man..

Posted by: frak | April 19, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Stupid poll. No OT option. Michael Oher, or trade down.

Posted by: SonofNero | April 19, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

You can draft Sanchez, but then you're stuck with eating a $1 can of sardines and a pack of Arby's Horsey sauce, instead of sashimi and wasabi, though that might be great for a starving man..

Posted by: frak

Would you take a $1 can of sardines and a pack of Arby's Horsey sauce for Snyder and Cerrato? Okay, I'll throw in some old socks, and some head cheese. How bout if I ask really nicely?

Posted by: SonofNero | April 19, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Let's assume that Danny is indeed smitten with Sanchez. Can Danny at least look at this from a business perspective? He threw eight draft picks to Zorn last year and the best he got was one part time starter from the seventh round. So, he's going to want to draft an eight million dollar a year QB and let him be coached into mediocrity by a 2nd year coach who has not proven he can develop talent? Isn't that kind of like giving the keys to the Porsche to the sixteen year old son and saying, "no curfew tonight"? How could this guy Snyder have made those billions if he really is this dumb?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 19, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

1. Orakpo isn't is falling that far. Hasn't his stock risen.

2. The comparisons to the Jay Cutler situation are erroneous. Campbell has been a pro through these trade talks, unlike Cutler, and the situation was completely different.

3. Campbell's only beef with the Redskins should be that Dan Snyder is his owner, putting him with a franchise that continues to dig a hole for itself year in and year out (see: Free Agency, Napolean, er, Snyder era).

3. I still wouldn't be surprised if Sanchez was taken (see reason 2.)

Posted by: temunley | April 19, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Right now, the odds are a LOT better that JC will be great, than the odds on Sanchez.

If Campbell is going to be great ever it will be this year. Pulling the plug now, after so much investment, would be LUDICRIS.

Especially with the addition of Haynesworth, Dockery, and the opportunity to draft a promising OT.

We are finally 1 or 2 pieces away after all these crappy Snyder years. Sanchez?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 19, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Danny,

4th best D + Haynesworth

6th best Rushing Attack + Dockery

pro bowl TE, FB, HB, LT

Tough, Solid, Young QB (Campbell, Danny, I mean Campbell)

+ top OT prospect

This is looking like a pretty good formula.

Joe Gibbs

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 19, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Draft an offensive lineman! Focus on top needs and that is a pressing one from my perspective.

Posted by: zbopjazz | April 19, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Draft an offensive lineman! Focus on top needs and that is a pressing one from my perspective.

Posted by: zbopjazz | April 19, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Skins Fans!
If Snyder draft Sanchez, here are the scenarios:
1. Portis, Moss, Samuels, and Fletcher have to have it in their head that there will be no play off or super bowl for another 2 or 3 years while grooming Sanchez. Go figure how that will play out.

2. Jason Campbell is not dumb, so I think he will only do enough to market himself for another team; who will blame him? Team chemistry is quickly out the door.

3. We making much ado about a college QB who may never become Payton or Eli.

Finally, I honestly think the Skins will either trade down or acquire Rey Mauialuga with #13

Hail!

Posted by: abxinc | April 19, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

here's my draft:

1st - OT - Smith, Oher, Britton, or Beatty
3rd - G/C - H. Johnson, E. Wood, A, Caldwell, T. Green
5th - LB - Kaluka Maiava
6th - CB - Glover Quin, or Toler
7th - LB - Josh Mauga, Nick Reed

any local CB, LB, OL, WR from Tech, Maryland, UVA

just throwing darts at the big board

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 19, 2009 5:19 PM |

Thank you pabrian for being the one who had the nads to commit to a draft strategy in writing before the draft. I posted my draft a few days ago and had no takers then to join in the discussion.

I think you've got some interesting picks there. Here's my draft card as of now:

1st pick: OT Andre Smith 6-4 332 (Alabama) If he's gone, Tyson Jackson 6'4" 296 (LSU)

3rd pick: LB Cody Brown 6-2 244 Conn. or LB Jason Williams 6'1" 241 (W. IL). or/if both gone: OG Andy Levitre 6'3" 305 (OR st.) or OT Phil Loadholt 6'8" 332 (Ok).

One of the first two picks MUST go to O line.

5th round: G Greg Isdaner 6-3 325 West VA. if gone, CB Keenan Lewis 6'1" 208 (OR st.), if gone OT Alex Boone 6'7" 328 (Ohio St.), if gone LB Robert Francois 6'2" 243 (BC)

6th round: prospect - CB/ST Ladarius Web 5-10 180 (4.35 40 speed), if gone DT Sammie Lee Hil 6'4" 329 (Stillman), if gone OG Herman Johnson 6'7" 364 (LSU)

7th round: prospect - WR Greg Carr 6-6 218 FSU or RB Kyle Bell 6'1" 233 (4.5 40) (Col), or DB/ST Kevin Akins 6'2" 220 (BC)


The first name listed in each round would be the first pick

Fantasy draft (or Dreaming as T_E puts it):

first round trade back to mid twenties: take C Alex Mack 6'4" 311 (Cal)

pick up decent second rounder in trade back, get G Duke Robinson 6'5" 329 (OU)

third round, take RT Phil Loadholt 6'8" 332 (OK)

fifth round, LB Robert Francois 6'2" 243 (BC)

sixth round, RB Kyle Bell 6'1" 233 (4.5 40) (Col)

seventh round, OT/G Alex Boone 6'7" 328 (Ohio St.)


Now we can get back to ball control, power running, vertical passing and keeping the D fresh for the fourth quarter stand. We don't need a new QB with this draft.

But we will need a good kicker sooner or later...


So what are some of the other draft cards out there? Have at it.

Posted by: edvar | April 19, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Self appointed defacto GM Snyder needs to get his head out his azz and hire a person who understands how to build a football team an evaluate players until he does the Redskins will reap what they sow, and what they sowing are seeds of mediocrity because of Snyders arrogance.

Everyone knows he is a marketing machine and that is great but this is about winning I feel sorry for the fans an the players although the players are paid it hurts physically to lose a game that isn't that hard

DRAFTING SANCHEZ IS ASSININE AND A MISTAKE PLUS HE IS NOT ALL THAT ANYONE CAN THROW A DAM SPIRAL IN WORKOUTS , WOW DANNY YOUR A GREAT TALENT EVALUATOR

If the Redskins don't drat an offensive lineman or defensive lineman/linebacker then so be it they are still my team but I understand Snyders vision totally , money

Posted by: TheBeatDontStop | April 19, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

I really hope the team takes a chance on Sammie Lee Hill sometime in this draft. He played at a smaller college program but was completely dominant at that level. Has anyone heard if the Skins have any interest in him?

Posted by: lowtharofthehill | April 19, 2009 11:41 PM | Report abuse

I really hope the team takes a chance on Sammie Lee Hill sometime in this draft. He played at a smaller college program but was completely dominant at that level. Has anyone heard if the Skins have any interest in him?

Posted by: lowtharofthehill | April 19, 2009 11:41 PM |


He is a very interesting prospect. At 6'4" 329, he is a big athletic player. He looks like he has a very muscular build instead of a gut. He definitely had his way with the competition. I don't know a lot about Stillman college's competition, but he really made some of the guards lining up in front of him look stupid. He did appear to play pretty high with the pads, though, which could be a problem against better competition.

We seem pretty deep at DT right now, so I personally would rather use the few picks we have elsewhere, but I would be very happy to pick him up as a UFA to see if he can make it happen in the bigs. I think someone else will pick him up before we get that chance...

Posted by: edvar | April 20, 2009 12:09 AM | Report abuse

The last thing we need to do is take a risk like Sanchez. I currently live in Phoenix and Leinart has changed my opinion of taking a quarterback first round.I am praying to the football gods we trade down and get more picks. Tom Brady was picked up after the 2nd round. More picks would give us better odds of getting good players.And our scouting has been suspect at best in the past.

Posted by: skinsfanfrmbirth | April 20, 2009 12:15 AM | Report abuse

I have an idea lets trade back and acquire 3 second round draft picks. Then we can draft two wide-outs (one who is chronically injured) and a tight-end. With our next pick we can draft a Guard that we won’t even think about starting all year, Then a punter we can cut before our bye week. For our last pick lets draft a qb from a school where he has never seen true competition like, I dont know Hawaii.... Oh wait that was last year’s brilliant plan... Go SKINS!!!

Posted by: krichardson7777 | April 20, 2009 8:03 AM | Report abuse

What about selecting a top 4 OT at #13...

That's what needs to happen, if all gone, then trade back...

Posted by: EinVB | April 20, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

What about selecting a top 4 OT at #13...

That's what needs to happen, if all gone, then trade back...

Posted by: EinVB | April 20, 2009
________________________________________

I couldn't say it any better.

Posted by: Redskins001 | April 20, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

The top 4 OT are LT's. We dont need an LT. Samuels has at least 2 years left. We can draft a LT next year or the following. No RT is worthy of the 13th pick...neither are LDE's. The Skins should use the pick on Orakpo, Maybin or Cushing (OLB). LDE and RT are not worthy of the 13th pick. Those are not skill positions and can be filled much later in the draft.

Posted by: tramellcanady | April 20, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

We need to trade down to get a 2nd rd pick, then draft OT, DE, OLB.

Posted by: HogheadGs | April 20, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

so let's say they trade down for more pix... and what do you think that nets the skins... just more op for the FO to do their thing, like draft three receivers in a row, while the OL needs help desperately... or maybe they could add another punter this year too. You never know .... maybe another TE?? Anything but the obvious of course. Do you think vinnie can spell LINEMAN? probably not. Not splashy enough. Not to mention his royal highness.

Posted by: gb810 | April 20, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Weather or not Sanchez is a nice guy or has realistic expectations on starting next year is not enough reason for anyone with a football IQ higher than a grapefruit to rationalize the Redskins trying to draft this Kid. Of ALL the things the redskins need right now a quarterback is thier least concern. An offensive tackle would be nice and the Orakpo kid would give the redskins the flexability to sign the best available player either an outside linebacker or Defensive end which they are going to have to do anyway. Mark Sanchez, nice kid may be a star one day,but that would be a really stuuuuuuuuuuupid move for the Redskins.

Posted by: hondaman579 | April 22, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

There will be 3 DE/LB on the board at #13. I say Pick up one here and an OL with the 3rd round pick at I believe will be the 75th pick.

I don't see mortgaging this year's season with a new QB to start 2010 and have the same needs plus more as the year before with less picks than this year. At some point you have to start keeping picks and building through the draft. However I don't believe Snyder or Vinny plans to do it in any of your lifetimes. They'll continue to seek high profile players, pay too much for them and charge you season ticket holders the difference and watch you suffer through continous losing seasons.

Posted by: Skinned | April 22, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

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