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Zorn, Cerrato, Riggo and...a Question

Dan Steinberg caught up with a couple of interviews involving Jim Zorn and Vinny Cerrato and an "American Dad" riff on Riggo.

Zorn, speaking on an LA radio show, discussed, oh, the ownership and the D.C. media.

"I think he's like most head coaches, from one standpoint," Zorn said of Daniel Snyder. "Most head coaches want to find out what actually happened. And what makes Dan great, is he couples that with his passion for the game, and TRUE passion for the Redskins. He really is an excellent football owner when it comes to those standpoints."

As for the Cerrato interview, it turns out that the executive vice-president of football operations used to play a bit of hockey and likes the way the Caps have built their team. That would be patiently and with an emphasis on a strong minor-league team...

"They've got a bunch of young guys, and they've got a good minor-league team, I think that they announced last night during the game they had won their championship, or their playoff round, so I think George [McPhee] is doing a great job there."

And then, just to make a certain blogger stick to evaluating talent and not poll questions...

By Cindy Boren  |  May 15, 2009; 10:00 AM ET
 
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Comments

First????

Posted by: thor2 | May 15, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!! For the FIRST time I was first!!!!!!!!
Thank you god!

Posted by: thor2 | May 15, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Jasno

"Will the addition of Albert Haynesworth transform the defensive line into a big-play unit?"

It's more important that the redskins' offense can score than tthe defense be a big play unit.

If a big defensive unit gets turnovers and hands the ball over to an offense that kicks field goals and punts, where's the advantage?

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 15, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

D-line can possibly be a big play unit in the league, but what about our O-line. If our D is on the field all day long like last year, then it's going to be a long year for those guys.

Posted by: Devo2 | May 15, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I saw yall mention THE GUCCI in the last thread


the thing with THE GUCCI MANE is, just pretend you have a best friend who turned into a hardcore crack head. That's what GUCCI MANE is. He's just a crack head that raps. He even rhymed "supercalifragalisticexpialadocious" in one of his raps. And it didn't even rhyme! He's just a crack head trying to rap, no shame in that. 10/10 in the so-bad-it's-good category. He's the Walker Texas Ranger of hip hop.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 15, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

"Not everyone out there has learned to appreciate soccer - which is the most popular sport in the world by leaps and bounds."


Please refrain from using worldwide popularity status as the measure of a sport's importance.

The world still likes Micheal Jackson, finds Madonna amusing, wears cast off American clothing styles, and hasn't given modern society anything of value that compares with Microsoft or IBM.

Yes: these comments are xenophobic.

But when you remember most of the people in the world love their own culture, it makes them okay.

Even if they are also soccer fans.


Posted by: MistaMoe | May 15, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

"JLC likes to make up rumors and site false anonymous sources without names, said a person familiar with the situation who spoke on the condition of anonymity"

.........too easy

Posted by: jmicrodoc | May 15, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Truth - Based on what? I never heard that one...

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 15, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

"I think he's like most head coaches, from one standpoint," Zorn said of Daniel Snyder.


Zorn thinks Dan Snyder is like a head coach.

There lies the problem.

No head football coach wants a general manager telling him, "No, that's expensive and stupid."

Zorn needs Snyder to be an owner who just signs checks and slurps brew from the luxury box on game day.

No more, no less than that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 15, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

well I don't mean crack head in the literal sense

but just listen to 'em, come on...

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 15, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

You have to decode the language.

It ain't the ebonics of the 90s.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 15, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Jason, I follow your work. You are a good writer etc. But, for example, the Wash Times had a post that, according to a source, the "Skins have no interest in Levi Jones" right after Levi became available.

To me, THAT, is actual insight from a source. Can you use your connections to feed us some real inside info??

Posted by: MadeRED | May 15, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

"wears cast off American clothing styles"

American clothing styles? Is there even such a thing? What is it, paint stained overalls, Lee Dungarees, flannel shirts, and Timberlands? Or is it the gold grilles, oversized chains with your first initial glittered with cubic zirconia, Fubu jeans that stop at your hamstrings, and a XXL t-shirt for a 5'8 man?

Who knew there was even an American clothing style? I was under the impression there wasn't another nation on earth that attempted to emulate American style. Well, except for maybe Canada.

Posted by: psps23 | May 15, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Didn’t the “donger” have a sexy, new, American-style girlfriend?

Thought I’d bring some movie convo back from yesterday as well….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 15, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

A lady just wrote on Twitter(I don't know her- was just searching for Redskins stuff) that her sister had a bad fall at the Airport and no one came to her assistance EXCEPT for Jim Zorn.

Posted by: Lisa_R | May 15, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse


Byline says this is Cindy Boren's column, today.. why dont you send Jason an email?
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Jason, I follow your work. You are a good writer etc. But, for example, the Wash Times had a post that, according to a source, the "Skins have no interest in Levi Jones" right after Levi became available.

To me, THAT, is actual insight from a source. Can you use your connections to feed us some real inside info??

Posted by: MadeRED | May 15, 2009 10:57 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 15, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 15, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

grattis, Thor pa forst!! det blir sakert fest ikvall i Valhalla!!

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | May 15, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

He was just getting in some practice picking up a trampled Jason Campbell....
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A lady just wrote on Twitter(I don't know her- was just searching for Redskins stuff) that her sister had a bad fall at the Airport and no one came to her assistance EXCEPT for Jim Zorn.

Posted by: Lisa_R | May 15, 2009 11:13 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 15, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

The best thing that could happen to the team is Dan Snyder runs down there and tries to actually coach.. He would fail the team would be better off long team.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 15, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

psps23

"...Who knew there was even an American clothing style?"

Rent the dvd "Blood Diamond".

When you watch it, you'll see West African kids walking around in American football jerseys and Tupac Shakur t-shirts.

They are carrying boom boxes on their shoulders while listening to hip hop, too.

The old school hip hop look is popular in some Asian countries as well.

Friends who've been to England/France say most of what they say dress wise in Europe was folks walking around in clothes that made them all look like American teenagers: baggy jeans, sports clothes (touting US teams and schools btw), fade hair cuts, etc.

Nothing sells worldwide like American culture. People around the world see us in movies, hear us in music, and read about what we have to say and think while purusing the internet.

The world jocks our style.

Believe dat.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 15, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

"Thank you god!Posted by: thor2"

Would that be Odin?

Posted by: Samson151 | May 15, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

I think the defensive and offensive lines will be better than expected in 2009.

In the end it will come down to injuries and to the play of Jason Campbell.

If the Redskins stay healthy and Campbell matures into a solid presence at qb, productive in the red zone than the team will be in the playoff hunt.

If not, it will be back to 6-10 or 7-9.

Posted by: leopard09 | May 15, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

sweet odin's raven

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 15, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Most glaring need for the REdskins is an experienced Offensive Coordinator. Zorn can keep the Head Coach title.. But, he sorely needs to find a seasoned OC that can mix up calls and adjust on the fly from the sidelines.... The Def Coordinators knew exactly what Zorn was going to do the last 6 losses of the year.
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I think the defensive and offensive lines will be better than expected in 2009.

In the end it will come down to injuries and to the play of Jason Campbell.

If the Redskins stay healthy and Campbell matures into a solid presence at qb, productive in the red zone than the team will be in the playoff hunt.

If not, it will be back to 6-10 or 7-9.

Posted by: leopard09 | May 15, 2009 11:39 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 15, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

the world wouldn't jock America's style if they lived in America

although I love the movie Blood Diamond and although it is an accurate represntation, did you just use a movie as a source for a point?

Come on Moe!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 15, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

mista: "Nothing sells worldwide like American culture. People around the world see us in movies, hear us in music, and read about what we have to say and think while purusing the internet."

And they sort of hate us for it. I mean, look what we're sending them -- mostly crap, right? They wear the t-shirts because we give them away. The scrotum-level jeans, the unlaced Reeboks, the underwear showing -- those are fresh out of Juvi, where they confiscate your belt and laces.

I think it would be a mistake to convince ourselves the world envies us. Find us fascinating, sure.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 15, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Lil Wayne is commercial status so I don't follow him anymore (But that new joint is the banger - I just wanna---) - 4th
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"Sanaa Lathan, Meagn Good, Angelina Jolie, D Woods..."

Yes, if you're talking about the 'Every Girl' track, yes, that joint is the sh*t. Gotta give credit....

Gucci like most southern rappers, just has really nice beats. His music: Crack talk.

Gucci = Jeezy = Artist Formally known as 'Dip Set'

All these bamas do is get on the track and holla pyrex this, pyrex that. Kitchen this, kitchen that. Weight this, weight that. That sh*t gets old really quick.

If you're really tied to the "game' like that, you wouldn't talk about it every damn track. Sort of like a war vet not talking about things he saw while at war...

I listen to Gucci when I'm in a charged state, dude has flame beats.

But when it comes to beats, and beats only, no one is f'n with Soulja Boy Tellem.

Lol.
-------------------------

p1, why do have to get emotional just because someone doesn't vibe with soccer. Why piss on the BIG/Pac convo because the convo isn't pertaining to soccer.

That's another reason why I don't dig on soccer like that: the fans. Soccer fans kill me, like soccer makes the f'n world go round or something. Lord, let someone dog "the greatest game in all the land" and the soccer purist are out in full force.

Soccer Fans = PETA Community

Get over the fact that everyone does not vouch for soccer, then get over yourself, p1 - it isn't that serious.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 15, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Can Haynesworth play RT?

Posted by: Alan4 | May 15, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Why don't we give Zorn and his buddy Smith from Tenne more than 16 games in 1 season to see if they can improve the play calling and in game adjustments. If its the same old vanilla bs after year 2 then it will be time for a change with Zorn and his staff hitting the road.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | May 15, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

no one came to her assistance EXCEPT for Jim Zorn.

Posted by: Lisa_R | May 15, 2009 11:13 AM

Zorn is a good hearted man. Like Gibbs. But that doesn't allways translate to a good HC. I hope we will see it this year, though......

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 15, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Samson151,

LOL.

I was just too excited to think straight. Now that I'm calm I'd like to thank the RI, JLC, the posters, WaPo, even Snyderrato (I love the term. whoever came up with it is a smart guy), Jim Zorn.... and of course RI hamsters. You guys rock, without you my work day would be just that - a work day.
Special thanks to my employer for making it possible even it these troubled economic times.
And obligatory thanks to Barack Obama.

Posted by: thor2 | May 15, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

In the end it will come down to injuries and to the play of Jason Campbell.

Posted by: leopard09 | May 15, 2009 11:39 AM

And officiating. And turnovers. And big plays (cue Norv Turner).

Posted by: dcsween | May 15, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

... You guys rock, without you my work day would be just that - a work day. ...

Posted by: thor2 | May 15, 2009 11:55 AM

Oh no, it would a MORE PRODUCTIVE work day.

Posted by: dcsween | May 15, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I think Vegas has the Skins at 8-8 again this year. I think it may be a game or two better.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 15, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Some of you may have noticed that there are many “regs” up here who have steered clear of all of the rap discussions. I think I can sum up the points/questions for some or most of us who grew up in the burbs listening to what is now considered “classic” rock:

Questions:
- Do you guys really talk like that? I can’t understand a word…..
- Who is this Pac man you keep referring to?
- Was Biggie Small really medium?

Points:
- Gucci is a fashion designer specializing in leather
- I used to love her is a guns and roses song
- Kanye is really annoying.
- Joints are to be smoked.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 15, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

And officiating. And turnovers. And big plays (cue Norv Turner).
Posted by: dcsween | May 15, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

And Twins!

Posted by: alex35332 | May 15, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

I got nothing.....I wear levi's......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 15, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Red - Gucci sounds different to me than Jeezy. Jeezy went commercial after one album....

What I have come to learn as I have evolved from my teenage years to my white collared years is that songs about hustling is still relevant. If you don't apply the words to the most literal sense, which shouldn't be done of any song in any genre anyway, then you get a lot out of it. Motivation. And Gucci's stuff has been motivating me as of late.

Jeezy's doesn't do that anymore. He's made it and contempt with it. Gucci's hungry.

He was out here for Big G's Birthday last week (Slim Charles from the wire) and any and everybody was @ the show. Nothing but dime pieces wearing the bear minimum. The door price was $120, so I only enjoyed the view from outside.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 15, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

AND THEEEEEEEEEEN?

Well that's it.

AND THEEEEEEEEEEEEEN?

NO AND THEN THERE IS NO MORE

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 15, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

He was out here for Big G's Birthday last week (Slim Charles from the wire) and any and everybody was @ the show. Nothing but dime pieces wearing the bear minimum. The door price was $120, so I only enjoyed the view from outside.....

Can I get someone to translate this for me?? All I got was there was bears there?? Black, Grizzly, or Polar?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 15, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

"Friends who've been to England/France say most of what they say dress wise in Europe was folks walking around in clothes that made them all look like American teenagers: baggy jeans, sports clothes (touting US teams and schools btw), fade hair cuts, etc."

Oh man, this is going to start an entirely different rant.

I saw blood diamond. Great movie, by the way. But I hardly think the revolutionary sect depicted in that film represents the large majority of the rest of the world.

I've had my share of travels around the Western world. England, Scotland, Iceland, Germany, Austria, Netherlands, and Brazil, among others. Never have I thought other nations embraced American style. There are a few here and there, sure, just as there are a few in the US that rock European style. But as you travel around, even if you're attempting to assimilate yourself, they know you're American without speaking to you. Form-fitted clothes, uniquely designed hair, etc. That's what they're about.

Those peeps don't follow the lead of Lebron James. They follow David Beckham, Cristiano Ronaldo, and Freddy Ljunberg. You don't see fade haircuts, you see euro mullets, fohawks, and other crazy ish we've never even heard of. If there's one thing Europeans pride themselves on over Americans, it's style. Tommy Hilfiger, Sean Combs, and Shawn Carter don't run the fashion world. That belongs to Versace, Gucci, and Armani.

(End of completely comfortable metrosexual post...)

Posted by: psps23 | May 15, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

He was out here for Big G's Birthday last week (Slim Charles from the wire) and any and everybody was @ the show. Nothing but dime pieces wearing the bear minimum. The door price was $120, so I only enjoyed the view from outside.....

Can I get someone to translate this for me?? All I got was there was bears there?? Black, Grizzly, or Polar?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 15, 2009 12:06 PM


It was somebody's birthday party, so they spent $120 to hire a dancing bear from the cirus, I think. And 4th couldn't get in because he couldn't find his dime piece, whatever that is.....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 15, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

DUDE


SWEET

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 15, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Can I get someone to translate this for me?? All I got was there was bears there?? Black, Grizzly, or Polar?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 15, 2009 12:06 PM

It was basically a hood version of a party at the PlayBoy's Mansion hat had celebrities from the Hood (aka Hood Stars) and lots and lots of scantaly clad dressed 20 something women.

Comprende?

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 15, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

I work around 60 hours a week including some nights and parts of weekends. I think Jason spends about 3 hours a week. How long does it take to write up his daily question -- 2 minutes?

Where is any actual work, interviews, background...anything?

Posted by: nativedc | May 15, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Questions:
- Do you guys really talk like that? I can’t understand a word…..

It depends. You have to give specific words for a specific answer. New words are always made up. I generally kept my same vocabulary from the 90s...

- Who is this Pac man you keep referring to?

If you don't know this, you have been living in a cave for 10 years..

- Was Biggie Small really medium?

More like a Medium XXXXL

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 15, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

He was out here for Big G's Birthday last week (Slim Charles from the wire) and any and everybody was @ the show. Nothing but dime pieces wearing the bear minimum. The door price was $120, so I only enjoyed the view from outside.....

Can I get someone to translate this for me?? All I got was there was bears there?? Black, Grizzly, or Polar?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 15, 2009 12:06 PM
-----------------------------------
bean,

Dime Piece = A very nice looking woman

Big G/Slim Charles = founding member of 'Backyard Band' in D.C.

Bear/Bare = a simple grammar infraction by 4th - replay the down.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 15, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse


Posse81_83_84 wrote:
Why don't we give Zorn and his buddy Smith from Tenne more than 16 games in 1 season to see if they can improve the play calling and in game adjustments. If its the same old vanilla bs after year 2 then it will be time for a change with Zorn and his staff hitting the road.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | May 15, 2009 11:50 AM
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Why? Gibbs 2.0 had Saunders..1.0 had Henning.... Most HC's have an experienced OC making calls.. Before last year Zorn had NEVER been an OC or Head Coach. Why make him both when he had no experience in either?

The best example of the failure of this current system was the fiasco in the Ravens game when the wrong OLine substitutions were admittedly made.. Zorn was in over his head... And the learning curve was stalled, not progressing towards the end of the season... The play calling was eventually simplified not just for JC toward the end of the season but for Zorn, too. Zorn couldnt counter Def coordinator's adjustments to his predictable calls.. From 6-2 to 2-6 W-L, had to do mostly with injuries but probably also due, in part, to opposing Def coordinators compiling enough accumulative tape on Zorn/JC.

Danny and Vinny.. if you can commit 150 Million to one Free Agent.. Why not commit 1 million to a seasoned Offensive Coordinator?? Doesnt make sense...
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Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 15, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

I work around 60 hours a week including some nights and parts of weekends. I think Jason spends about 3 hours a week. How long does it take to write up his daily question -- 2 minutes?
Where is any actual work, interviews, background...anything?
Posted by: nativedc | May 15, 2009 12:18 PM

Do you have to work Sundays on air when the redskins are playing? You know, with Sonny and Sam? Poor you…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 15, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

dude.. the byline has been Cindy Boren.. I believe Jason is on vacation..
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I work around 60 hours a week including some nights and parts of weekends. I think Jason spends about 3 hours a week. How long does it take to write up his daily question -- 2 minutes?

Where is any actual work, interviews, background...anything?

Posted by: nativedc | May 15, 2009 12:18 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 15, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

GUCCI MANE ... even rhymed "supercalifragalisticexpialadocious" in one of his raps. And it didn't even rhyme!

Posted by: TheTruth11 |

You know this may be the most fascinating thing I've ever learned here. I just cannot believe someone would diss a fine, upstanding musical citizen for attempting to rap "supercalifragalisticexpialadocious" for not rhyming.

At least he went for it.

Best,

Pooper Scalliwag Ballistic X. P. "AL" Atrocious

Posted by: TheCork | May 15, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

It was basically a hood version of a party at the PlayBoy's Mansion hat had celebrities from the Hood (aka Hood Stars) and lots and lots of scantaly clad dressed 20 something women.

Comprende?

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 15, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

4th, playing the role of June Lockhart in Airplane!

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 15, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

So, let me get this straight: Cerrato thinks hockey teams should be built by identifying young talent and developing it? His philosophy for football teams must be different. How else would you rationalize the Jason Taylor trade? Pete Kendall? I won't dig any farther back than that, but all I can say is the guy should go manage a hockey team because his idea of developing young talent is signing guys 29 and older to mega contracts while trading away valuable draft picks for even more washed up, over rated stupor-stars. By the way, Vinny, the Tuna says, "If you dance with the devil you're going to get burned."

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 15, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Questions:
- Do you guys really talk like that? I can’t understand a word…..
- Who is this Pac man you keep referring to?
- Was Biggie Small really medium?

If you have questions, it gives me hope for us as a society. Love it when questions are asked, instead of drawing hollow and baseless conclusions.

Shout out and props to dlhaze. But with a name like 'dlhaze' I'd thought you'd be a little familair with 'urban' jargon. But with a name like 'RedDMV' you'd probably think I was a disgruntled Irishman working at the local DMV.

Don't judge a book by it's cover...

To your questions:

Do you guys really talk like that? I can’t understand a word…..

Yes. But only when it calls for it (around friends or like a 'like' crowd). You won't EVER catch me saying the following to my boss: "Ayo B, what up with the extra work, homie? Y'all stressin' a dude out crazy with that BS, you-know-what-I'm-sayin'"

You have to know when to cut it on and off, unfortunately some people that I'm "familiar" with don't do this.

You can take the _____ out the 'hood, but you can't...

Looking at your last two questions, I agree with 4th. You can't be serious with those questions. lol

Posted by: RedDMV | May 15, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse


I work around 60 hours a week including some nights and parts of weekends. I think Jason spends about 3 hours a week. How long does it take to write up his daily question -- 2 minutes?

Where is any actual work, interviews, background...anything?

Posted by: nativedc

Based on your understanding of what sportswriting entails, I'm guessing your biggest on-the-job poll question is: "You want fries with that?"

Seriously, in this day and age of journalistic retrenchment, do you REALLY think a guy keeps a primo gig at one of the top newspapers in the country by loafing?

I've posted about how much I find the poll questions a waste. But I'll bet you a dollar to a box of used jocks they are management driven. The results don't matter, they are used to show advertisers how much traffic the site generates. They likely are a business/advertising tool. Even if they're driven by editorial, it's for the same purpose.

At least they're not as dumb as TV newscasts which invite viewers to their website to vote on the news. One day they may figure those who do, first turn off their newscast and then go vote.

But then these are desperate times in the media, and like redskins park, oftentimes the dimmest bulbs are making the decisions.

I get tired of defending JLC--some of the stuff he does irks me too--but when you bring the hate, at least try to find some basis of fact, first. Otherwise, you're just wasting our time.


Posted by: TheCork | May 15, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Randy: Can I get you something?
Second Jive Dude: 'S'mofo butter layin' me to da' BONE! Jackin' me up... tight me!
Randy: I'm sorry, I don't understand.
First Jive Dude: Cutty say 'e can't HANG!
Jive Lady: Oh stewardess! I speak jive.
Randy: Oh, good.
Jive Lady: He said that he's in great pain and he wants to know if you can help him.
Randy: All right. Would you tell him to just relax and I'll be back as soon as I can with some medicine?
Jive Lady: Jus' hang loose, blood. She gonna catch ya up on da' rebound on da' med side.
Second Jive Dude: What it is, big mama? My mama no raise no dummies. I dug her rap!
Jive Lady: Cut me some slack, Jack! Chump don' want no help, chump don't GET da' help!
First Jive Dude: Say 'e can't hang, say seven up!
Jive Lady: Jive ass dude don't got no brains anyhow! Hmmph!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 15, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Red! I am the Irish 40 yr old white guy.....functioning alcoholic thank you very much.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 15, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

portis will be on espn first take talkin bout his offseason work. specifically how wind sprints will help him to get his explosisveness. If CP isn't actually on the progran expect at least a report on his offseason work. it's on right now

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 15, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

portis will be on espn first take talkin bout his offseason work. specifically how wind sprints will help him to get his explosisveness. If CP isn't actually on the progran expect at least a report on his offseason work. it's on right now

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 15, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

sorry bout the double post.

anyway it was fools gold. cp wasn't on, it was just a 30 sec blurb about how he thinks losing some of the weight he gained to be Gibb's workhorse so that he can recapture some of the break away speed and explosiveness he had in denver. No direct quotes though.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 15, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm jes' sayin', havin' all those athlete's foots ads with the Skins as the fungal enemy broadcast all over the planet ether is bad jou-jou..That was one thing about RFK, we had our voodoo there straightup and proper: the River, the Hospital, the Jail, the Cemetery...Occasional visitations from aliens...Cyclops Boy and the Diseased News Puppet..FedEx is like paved shopping mall oblivion by comparison (but, I mean, hell, I'd go see the Skins play in Marvin Gardens, if I had my Louis Farrakan costume and my uzi: Wild Irish Rose and Hurricane instead of Bud, but at least you can see the game from your window..).
He got..Toe-Jam Football..
He got...Jou-Jou Eyeballs..
He one..Holy Rollah.
amy poeller, amy poeller,come to me, come to me...

Posted by: frak | May 15, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

beantown and dlhaze,

allow me to assist with the translation since i graduated from harvard with my degree in urban relations:

"He was out here for Big G's Birthday last week (Slim Charles from the wire) and any and everybody was @ the show. Nothing but dime pieces wearing the bear minimum. The door price was $120, so I only enjoyed the view from outside......."

the characters in the circus were in town to celebrate their friends birthday and they decided to have a party. slim charles is the guy who rides his bicycle on the wire. slim charles is a local celebrity and everyone came to wish him a happy birthday, hence the statement "any and everybody was @ the show". since slim charles was in the circus, he created a line of clothing called the bear minimum. it was based off of the outfits that other actors wear. this latest line consists of pieces of dimes glued to outfit. thats why he said "nothing but dime pieces wearing the bear minimum". someone broke the door and the price to repair it is $120.00 so 4th floor enjoyed the view of the party outside.

elementary my dear watson, elementary!!!!

hope this helps!!!

Posted by: mafreeman | May 15, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

"Never have I thought other nations embraced American style."

The World doesn't embrace American style or culture?

I wonder about this whenever I read about Euro Disney.

Or the one in Tokyo.

Or listen to the Beatles, Rolling Stones, Duffy and Corinne Bailey Rae sing American soul and rock music.

My favorite male singer, Seal, is African and sings like Marvin Gaye, an American.

And would there have been a British invasion without the American export of blues and Elvis?

The French love jazz and hip hop and rhythm and blues.

Bollywood essentially uses American film and cultural idioms in a Hindu context.

But the world doesn't jock our style.

Imagine that.

They say the wall fell in Berlin because vcr and emerging satillite technology allowed people living in totalitarian regimes to see in old Hollywood films that America had grocery stores flush with food and consumer products galore.

In Banglore, India, phone solicitors spent time learning to effect midwestern dialects and socializing in disco clubs like hot young Americans--right dowm to the cocaine habit.

The French fear Hollywood. The Brits love our movies and music. The Germans slurp up our heavy metal. South America craves our air conditioned Miami lifestyles. Africans seek out the consumer products for skins and hair that black American toss in the trash.

But they don't embrace our style.

Imagine that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 15, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't bother me in the least that certain people can't appreciate the sport. It takes a level of devotion, commitment, and passion that surpasses the 10 second attention span of the average jock-toting American sports nut.

Just know that, as a multi-sport athlete, I'm not lyin' when I say it takes a modicum of intellectual capacity to enjoy the game. It doesn't gotta be a war of words whenever a soccer fan brings up the point. It's like the bitter locals resenting the college students the moment they venture off campus. If it's not your thing, it's not your thing. No need to dwell on the reasons you decided not to join the party.

Posted by: psps23

Final thought on Soccer nuts. If you call your humorless pseudo-intellectualism “a party,” you shouldn’t be surprised when very few people show up.

I can do without the condescension, and would have you preferred you to have answered the criticisms:

The sucky psychic tie-breaker.

The bored fans who have to sing to stay awake.

The boneheads the sport attracts. Sure Football has it’s fair share of drunks in the stands, but futball all but invented goonery. Intellectual pursuit? Yeah.

The constant turnovers.

The faked injuries.

Etc.

I find baseball boring, but it is a sport with as much strategy as soccer—and actual excitement. Or do you just think the pitcher flings the rock and hopes it’s hit to one of eight guys standing lord knows where?

I watch a LOT of basketball and still don’t begin to understand the triangle offense. It takes players years to master it.

You threw back in my face my single example of a DE’s responsibilities, saying you thought soccer players had to know where everyone on his team is.

What major American team sport at the professional level doesn’t have that requirement?

You know the line about the great dancer Fred Astaire. “Ginger Rogers does every thing Astaire does, only in high heels and backwards.”

In hockey, players do everything soccer players do, on skates, carrying a stick, and while hitting each other. And hockey, in person, or on TV for that matter, is ten times as exciting as Soccer. With hockey, the goonery is on the ice, not outside the venue.

Love soccer all you want. Study its strategy, have high tone conversations with fellow fans after the latest scoreless tie. But please spare us the opinion that we’re just a bunch of knucklescrapers for watching dumb American sports, unable to fathom all the pithy nuances of a sport 99% of the kids who play it in America outgrow and lose interest in by grade school.

Posted by: TheCork | May 15, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

SMACK, random violence is the new sex. Don't you read? The Supreme Court recently explained the hair on my palms b/c of Janet Jackson's wardrobe malfunction. But its good for me if my neighbors in the District MUST have their handguns!

Posted by: dcsween | May 14, 2009 5:16 PM

Sween--

I find reading just confuses me. So I watch Fox, then switch over to the Showtime for MMA, then the USA for WWE.

TV took about 10 MPH off its heater when it stopped bringing us the Shock and Awe of live war.

I feel sorry for the current generation. When ours finally moves out, there’s NO WAY we’re getting our deposit back on the place.

Oh, how come Janet's tata was a big whoops, but when Bruce Springsteen slid his junk directly into the camera last year, it was, like “no big deal?” Mysogynistic Racist Profiling Antijacksonism, if you ask me.

Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to Six Flags, the amusement park that rises cold and stark even when kids huddle on the beach in the mist.

I told Wendy I wanted to die with her on the streets tonight in an everlasting kiss and don't wanna be late.

Rap, my azz…

Posted by: TheCork | May 15, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Wayman Tisdale passes away at 44.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 15, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

A rule change not discussed is that kick off receiving teams can no longer use the 'wedge blocking' format to set up returns.

Does this mean shorter or longer kick off returns?

Doesn't it mean the returning teams will get pinned deep with the 20s more often?

Will teams use more sideline returns will 'pulling players' to effect what will look like sweep/trap play on kick offs?

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 15, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

If you don't like soccer, don't watch soccer, and for god's sake don't write about it.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 15, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

All I know is that I am going to be very upset the first time that they call back a 40+ yd return because 3 players were “on the same plane, within 2 yards of each other”……..this is going to be as subjective as pass interference has become.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 15, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Shout outs to Cork for his 1:20...

Posted by: RedDMV | May 15, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Per ESPN, every team just got another million in cap room.

Who do we sign to vet min? Pace? Harrison? Brooks? Edge?

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 15, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Tisdale was a terrific musician. A good pro, great in college. As Al McGuire used to say it, the son of a preacherman. Really quite a story -- with a sad ending today.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 15, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Things you like that suck COLON

Rap music
Sci-Fi Movies
The NBA
Johnny Depp

But there will be no dissertations.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 15, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Looks like your normal Friday FFA on the blog.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 15, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

All I know is that I am going to be very upset the first time that they call back a 40+ yd return because 3 players were “on the same plane, within 2 yards of each other”……..this is going to be as subjective as pass interference has become.

Posted by: dlhaze1

I thinking you nailed it.

Defenders are naturally going to converge towards the ball. Guys are instructed to block those guys. Seems like it will be a very tricky rule.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 15, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Per ESPN, every team just got another million in cap room.

Who do we sign to vet min? Pace? Harrison? Brooks? Edge?

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 15, 2009 1:31 PM

Harrison. A strong 2nd wideout will open up the passing game, resulting in fewer injuries to the team in total..

Posted by: frak | May 15, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

"Sanaa Lathan, Meagan Good"

The Perfect Two Tight End Set.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 15, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

thanks for translating for me guys, I think I'm more confused now, than I was. I'm just going to go with what I originally thought....that it was a grizzy bear...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 15, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Harrison, agreed.

Why not have an accomplished vet to help nurture the 2nd year rooks?

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 15, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Frak - wouldn't mind Harrison at all, if he'd take a million. Could only help the 2 young guys and JC having a classy guy like that who will work hard. Sure HOFer.

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 15, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Moe,
I think no more wedge = fewer returns to the mid field range. Most of the time the first contact occurs at or after the 20 yd line.

IMHO it will be interesting to see if we see more speed returners or heavy guys like rock end up surviving that change.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 15, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

"...It's like the bitter locals resenting the college students the moment they venture off campus..."


This reminds me of the scene in Spike Lee's "School Daze" where the black college students are hated on by Samuel L. Jackson and a bucket of chicken.

The local yokels are supposed to be stupid. I mean, how can anyone with a jeri-curl pretend to be intelligent?

The college kids, however, should know better as education eaches that condescending attitudes always inspire rudeness in return.

Perhaps this lesson has escaped the soccer fan.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 15, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

getting rid of the wedge may make KO returns more interesting, not less. KO use more of the field than any other play, so there is probably lots of innovation that can occur. The rule change might result in some real creativity

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 15, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I am ready for some Football.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 15, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

"Sanaa Lathan, Meagan Good"

The Perfect Two Tight End Set.

(This set is so nice, I had to hit it twice.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 15, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Is there any rule as to where players have to stand on a KO for the receiving team? I am just brain storming here but it may end up being we see teams do something like line up a bunch of FB/TE's further up the field to get an earlier block on the kicking team, just to give a speed returner a shot at getting further down field

Posted by: alex35332 | May 15, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

There is a new rule that says the kicking team can't bunch up on one side when attempting an onside kick.....I think I heard that....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 15, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

"But they don't embrace our style.

Imagine that.

Posted by: MistaMoe"

Moe, you originated your comment by stating that other countries embrace castoff American clothing styles.

You've now transferred that into Disney World, the Beatles and the Rolling Stones (British Bands who defined rock & roll, later emulated by American bands, by the way), Hollywood films, American grocery stores, capitalistic consumer goods, cocaine (a Latin American drug), and the VCR.

You've taken this about 30 steps beyond the original statement I made a comment on.

Posted by: psps23 | May 15, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

"Things you like that suck COLON

Rap music
Sci-Fi Movies
The NBA
Johnny Depp

But there will be no dissertations.

Posted by: SMACK1"

don't know who COLON is, you buttclown

but I do know I enjoy all of those things to an extent

let me guess, SMACK likes "real" music like rock and says rap isn't "real" music because they talk about money, girls, and drugs.

NEWSFLASH NERDFACE, rock music started the talk about money, girls, and drugs.

YOU STINKING RACIST

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 15, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

psps23

"You've taken this about 30 steps beyond the original statement I made a comment on."

It's all good.

I like to flip the script, always.

I'm headed out to cash the bi-weekly paycheck.

The bestfriend has been alerted and the wife already pissed off.

The style I'm about to embrace wildness.

Take care, bro'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 15, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

"I can do without the condescension
Posted by: TheCork"

"Perhaps this lesson has escaped the soccer fan.
Posted by: MistaMoe"

You guys are right, my mistake on that. Didn't mean it to sound so condescending. My apologies on that Cork, it wasn't a personal attack by any means. As for your response, I'll get you on that in a second.

Posted by: psps23 | May 15, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Meagan Good got derriere enhancements...

They did a beofre and after - you can tell.

I still like her... had a crush on that thang since Eve's Bayou - she always had those lips.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 15, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

elementary my dear watson, elementary!!!!

hope this helps!!!

Posted by: mafreeman | May 15, 2009 1:02 PM

Ignorance Kills..................

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 15, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV = wannabe Truth

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 15, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Meagan Good got derriere enhancements...

They did a beofre and after - you can tell.

---------------

Posted by: RedDMV | May 15, 2009 2:32 PM

You can't post that w/o a link. That's a jailable offense......

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 15, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

FOR THOSE NOT FEELING THE CONVO. HERE YOU GO.......

Appeals Court Lets Redskins Keep Name, Trademark

By Del Quentin Wilber
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, May 15, 2009 12:47 PM

The Washington Redskins won another legal victory today to protect the team's trademarks in a fight with Native Americans who say the name is disparaging.

The appeals court backed a ruling last year by U.S. District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly that an activist had waited too long to challenge the team's trademarks.

Today's decision by a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit was just the latest legal action since the activists first challenged six Redskins' trademarks in 1992.

The Redskins' name has never been at stake in the litigation. But if the federal courts had tossed the trademarks, the team would have lost the ability to take action against merchants who used the name on shirts, jackets and other products. The team has argued the name was meant to honor Native Americans.

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 15, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

really, we actually let people go to court because they are offended now?


wow

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 15, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

And truth, SMACK is faar from a rascisit..

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 15, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, 4th! I am a nerdface though.

Truth doesn't believe half of what he says. He's like Ann Coulter that way. Hey if Truth can compare Buddy Holly to that the Pac fellow, I can compare Truth to a pretend right-wing transvestite.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 15, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I think the Truth is just off his meds today,
but wtf, its Friday, who cares?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | May 15, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

I am the Irish 40 yr old white guy.....functioning alcoholic thank you very much.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 15, 2009 12:43 PM

My favorite answer to a hard question is another question. One of my favorites is from Marge Simpson to Homer:

Marge: "Homer, are you sober?"

Homer: "Regular sober or Irish sober?"

Yet another reason I myself am proud to be associated with the holiday celebrating St. Patrick, the patron saint of booze. On St. Pat's day, everyone is Irish! [The day when he become President O'Bama ... on Columbus Day, he becomes Rocco Bamma.]

Also, SMACK, I'm a fan of Mr. Depp. Agree to disagree. [Gilbert Grape and Dead Man ... not Scissorhands or Pirates of the Carribean.]

Posted by: dcsween | May 15, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I 2nd 4th. SMACK can be accused of many things...one that jumps immediately to mind is "unacceptable taste in professional [American] football fandom."

Posted by: 4-12 | May 15, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Paul Pierce found out he stole his nickname to use as a blog handle so he made a stop on the way back from Orlando and beat him senseless. Also taking out his frustration from the loss.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | May 15, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

why would I take my meds on Friday?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 15, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I happen to know for a fact that the only raciest on the blog we kicked off.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 15, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

and not Sleepy Hollow ... or Cry Baby ... or the Demon Barber one ... can't quite remember the name of that one.

Posted by: dcsween | May 15, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

If you don't like soccer, don't watch soccer, and for god's sake don't write about it.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 15, 2009 1:29 PM |

Only people who like soccer should write about it, and everyone else should keep their views to themselves. Too much negativism on this blog.

Like mother always said, "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all." If we all followed that advice, there would be about nine posts up here today.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 15, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Depp is the only guy I am aware of who can have a costume party all by himself.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 15, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

raciest what?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 15, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

[...Premature submitication...]

...But racist is not one of those things

Posted by: 4-12 | May 15, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, I should have used Moe's "Please refrain from" refrain.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 15, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

4-12, he actually he adjusted his real name, SMAACK, to post on this here [American] blog.

Posted by: dcsween | May 15, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

dcSWEEN

the movie you forgot was SWEENey Todd


but Depp was great in Dead Man, Fear and Loathing, Gilbert Grape, Edward Scissorhands

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 15, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

"If you call your humorless pseudo-intellectualism “a party,” you shouldn’t be surprised when very few people show up."

If by 'very few people' you mean more people than any other 'party' in the world, then we may be on the same page.

"The sucky psychic tie-breaker."

Yea, it's awful. Probably the worst of all the sports. Just something you have to deal with and prepare for.

"The bored fans who have to sing to stay awake."

As opposed to the bored fans that spend half their time deciding between spicy brown, dijon, or regular mustard on their hot dogs, I'd say the singing is a plus.

"The boneheads the sport attracts. Sure Football has it’s fair share of drunks in the stands, but futball all but invented goonery. Intellectual pursuit? Yeah."

Nothing wrong with a little passion in the masses. 'Goonery' certainly does have it's moments of negativity, but it's oh so sweet when your side is victorious.

"The constant turnovers."

A product of continuous action.

"The faked injuries."

A drawback to some, if not most. Just enhances the strategy needed to play the game. And there is most certainly retribution given back on the field for this.

"You threw back in my face my single example of a DE’s responsibilities, saying you thought soccer players had to know where everyone on his team is.
What major American team sport at the professional level doesn’t have that requirement?"

An offensive tackle in pass protection isn't busy reading his WRs routes, determining which way the corner is shading him. Like a golfer who doesn't watch the ball in his follow-through, he's focused on his and his responsibilities alone, only taking care to look at the result of the play after his job is done.

As for the rest of your comment, you must have missed half the origination of my conversations. I have the utmost respect for basketball and hockey as a thinking sport. American football too, but in a different respect. As for baseball, the only guys I had respect for are the managers, pitchers, and catchers. The other guys are mindless drones out on the field with, at most, a handful of choices with which to decide how to react, all of them being contemplated in the 30 seconds before a single pitch is thrown.

Posted by: psps23 | May 15, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I believe the raciest thing we've ever talked about up here was a thong, specifically worn by Gregg Williams.

[OK, maybe not so much racy as gross.]

Posted by: dcsween | May 15, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I happen to know for a fact that the only raciest on the blog we kicked off.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 15, 2009 3:08 PM |

Dude, 3/4 the posters up here are racy, and I don't know how you could have picked one of them out as raciest. I'm trying to imagine who I would award that crown to. Stupidest would also be a close contest.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 15, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

psps23, that's some high brow tone in your posting ... now lower that brow.

Posted by: dcsween | May 15, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Did Gregggggg have a matching manzier to go with his thong?

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | May 15, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, I should have used Moe's "Please refrain from" refrain.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 15, 2009 3:12 PM

Here's a tired literary device, the old "refrain from" refrain refrain.

Posted by: dcsween | May 15, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Hope they don't turn on that big particle collider in Switzerland- just because you CAN blow up the Earth doesn't mean that you should. Them scientists are like a little infant playing with a handgun- or maybe its an insidious terror tool so that everyone gets more nervous and goes shopping at the new THX1138 Shopping Nucleus, to get the latest tranc..

Posted by: frak | May 15, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Stupidest would be passed on the rail by Most Stupidest, a Carolina-bred gelding.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 15, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

What the hell do Zorn's comments mean? Snyder is a great owner in terms of wanting to know whats going on and his passion for the Redskins. Okay.

I guess what he wanted to say is "this guy is an annoying idiot but he gave me my only opportunity to be a HC so I guess the only good thing I can say about his constant clueless meddling into the football operations is that he has a lot of passion.

Posted by: VaTerp1 | May 15, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

No question that Gregg Williams had him some moobs, but one of the photos that ifthethunderdontgetya linked to the other day -- the one of Andre Smith in full gallop -- that one burned through my retinas and left a mark in my visual cortex.

Posted by: dcsween | May 15, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Here's a good Friday afternoon topic for those still sitting at a computer...

Nancy Pelosi, To believe or NOT to believe, that is the question....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 15, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

What the hell do Zorn's comments mean? Snyder is a great owner in terms of wanting to know whats going on and his passion for the Redskins. Okay.

Posted by: VaTerp1 | May 15, 2009 3:21 PM

Zorn is like the popular nice kid in class who everyone admires because he does stuff like stand up for the dorky fat kid. The direct translation is "The fat kid is OK, he just gets a little excited." [The popular nice kids are the ones who've figured out that someday they might be working for the dorky fat kid ... plus they stand up for the fat kids because girls will think its sweet ... and the popular nice kid is still a guy ... who is looking to get some.]

Posted by: dcsween | May 15, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

4th, I do not believe that you are Nancy Pelosi.

Posted by: dcsween | May 15, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Back to the rap discussion for a second.

One more thing about Pac and Biggie. My dad is a VA police officer in his mid 50s and he listens to 2Pac on a regular basis. Biggie, not at all. There is something about the dude that reaches people on multiple levels.

As for Gucci, I do listen to him a lil bit. His beats are tight, his hooks are catchy, and some of his lyrics are cool. But I guess Im just gettin old. Id like to think the music would evolve a lil bit. Like someone else said, he really is just the latest version of Jeezy or ever other rapper of the last 10 years talkin about the "trap", money, hos, etc. Im now 30, married, and have a 14 month old daughter. I feel kinda funny bumpin Gucci with a carseat in the back. I do wish I coulda caught that party with Big G and co. Or at least the "letout." Lol

Posted by: VaTerp1 | May 15, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Frankly, I'm not convinced that Nancy Pelosi is actually Nancy Pelosi.

And I have VERY STRONG doubts that Cody Glenn is really Cody Glenn.

Posted by: dcsween | May 15, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

"Zorn is like the popular nice kid in class who everyone admires because he does stuff like stand up for the dorky fat kid. The direct translation is "The fat kid is OK, he just gets a little excited." [The popular nice kids are the ones who've figured out that someday they might be working for the dorky fat kid ... plus they stand up for the fat kids because girls will think its sweet ... and the popular nice kid is still a guy ... who is looking to get some."

Nice analogy. I agree. I just wish more people would stand up and say what they really think of Snyder. Other than a few idiots on ESPN.

I know Zorn is in absolutely no position to do so but it would be nice for somebody like Marty or Casserly or people like that to really call Snyder out for his mismanagement of this franchise. Most people wont do it b/c they want to get back in the league in some capacity and/or know that Snyder gives away cash like NBA players at strip clubs but it would still be nice to hear.

Posted by: VaTerp1 | May 15, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

What the hell do Zorn's comments mean? Snyder is a great owner in terms of wanting to know whats going on and his passion for the Redskins. Okay.

Posted by: VaTerp1 | May 15, 2009 3:21 PM

Zorn is like the popular nice kid in class who everyone admires because he does stuff like stand up for the dorky fat kid. The direct translation is "The fat kid is OK, he just gets a little excited." [The popular nice kids are the ones who've figured out that someday they might be working for the dorky fat kid ... plus they stand up for the fat kids because girls will think its sweet ... and the popular nice kid is still a guy ... who is looking to get some.]

Posted by: dcsween

except Zorn IS being paid big $$ my the dorky fat kid. At that kind of money -- all of us would be politically correct.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 15, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

... gives away cash like NBA players at strip clubs ...

Posted by: VaTerp1 | May 15, 2009 3:34 PM

You know, I hadn't heard about Pac Man Jones in a while. Didn't occur to me that he might try to get into a different professional sport.

Posted by: dcsween | May 15, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Zorn was being PC. My sense about the guy is that he legitimately sees the best in people and has embraced the whole "if you can't say something nice about a person" thing. I myself have not yet gotten around to embracing that vibe, but it does seem like something worthy of admiration.

Posted by: dcsween | May 15, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Can you imagine Pac Man if he was in the NBA and got a guaranteed contract? Scary thought.

Posted by: VaTerp1 | May 15, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

When you are reborn into the next life, just remember one thing, "STOP THE ACCELERATOR,STOP THE ACCELERATOR"..I'd feel a lot better about Snyder if FedEx was RFK downtown..

Posted by: frak | May 15, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

"I don't think Zorn was being PC. My sense about the guy is that he legitimately sees the best in people and has embraced the whole "if you can't say something nice about a person" thing. I myself have not yet gotten around to embracing that vibe, but it does seem like something worthy of admiration."

Posted by: dcsween

I agree here too. I think I was just struck by the notion that because a guy "wants to know whats going on" and has "passion" it makes him a good owner. No, that makes him a glorified fan.

What makes someone a good owner is good judgment. Along with the ability to find quality people and delegate responsibility to them.

I admire Snyder's passion and his desire to win and spend money. But I am just so frustrated that he continues to expect different results by doing the SAME things. Thats foolish.

But no need to beat a dead horse. Just have to hope that we get a real football mind in here in the near future. In the mean time, we'll just have to hope that we hit the lotto with one of our off season spending orgies. Maybe it all comes together one year.

Posted by: VaTerp1 | May 15, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

As for Gucci, I do listen to him a lil bit. His beats are tight, his hooks are catchy, and some of his lyrics are cool. But I guess Im just gettin old. Id like to think the music would evolve a lil bit. Like someone else said, he really is just the latest version of Jeezy or ever other rapper of the last 10 years talkin about the "trap", money, hos, etc. Im now 30, married, and have a 14 month old daughter. I feel kinda funny bumpin Gucci with a carseat in the back. I do wish I coulda caught that party with Big G and co. Or at least the "letout." Lol

Posted by: VaTerp1 | May 15, 2009 3:27 PM

We're in the same boat. I'm 28 (going on 29 next month). Married. 2 kids and one on the way.

I have NO problem bumpin Gucci in the car. Like I said earlier, Jeezy was good for one album, the last one he had last year was too commercial. What Gucci's doing ain't really commercial, yet. Even though everybody wants him on their track, he is still freash after spending that time locked up after Icy....

I rarely like or turn up songs on our local commercial radio stations (95 and 93). So, I am basically showing the kids what sucks and whats good so they can follow mean and not any skinny jeans wearing dudes like Wayne...

If you feel you're too old, you might as well introduce yourself to Michael Baisden and 96....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 15, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Zorn knows his hold the HC job is tenuous. He's one Santana tweaked hammy from being gone. Even with Albert, the team is barely more talented than it was in 2008.

Plus, Zorn's bosses twice tried to change QBs, which wasn't exactly a vote of confidence in Zorn. After all, Zorn's #1 job initially was to develop Campbell into a good QB.

I don't think Zorn is naive to the point he doesn't see it. He may temper what he says by nature, but he also knows he needs to be PC with his bosses.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 15, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Can I state for the record that I do not mind that the newest torture photos were released but it has turned my FB home page into a creepy S&M Site.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 15, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

lol @ old people

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 15, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

p1, why do have to get emotional just because someone doesn't vibe with soccer. Why piss on the BIG/Pac convo because the convo isn't pertaining to soccer.

That's another reason why I don't dig on soccer like that: the fans. Soccer fans kill me, like soccer makes the f'n world go round or something. Lord, let someone dog "the greatest game in all the land" and the soccer purist are out in full force.

Soccer Fans = PETA Community

Get over the fact that everyone does not vouch for soccer, then get over yourself, p1 - it isn't that serious.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 15, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

+++++

I don't know Red...I would characterize your response here as emotional.

I said you were entitled to your opinions, and then noted the fact that soccer is the most popular sport in the world by a long shot (which it is).

My opinion about the Biggie/Pac discussion was, frankly, my opinion and had little to do with the thoughts on soccer, except that you compared them.

I think Biggie and Pac had every opportunity to carve out a nice life for themselves, but they kept up with their big mouths and their 2-bit hustler mentalities and their posses and got shot for it by some other petty clowns who took the ideas of "respect" and "dissed" too seriously...

We've had some good discussions in the past about rap/hip-hop, and I've been a fan; but this is what I'v always thought about the Biggie/Pac thing.

It stands in contrast to someone like Snoop. He got shot at, and basically got lucky, but he wised up. He realized he had all these opportunities to have a decent life, but he was gonna piss it all away on some stupid image-related-revenge-gangsta beef.

Posted by: p1funk | May 15, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

"I think Biggie and Pac had every opportunity to carve out a nice life for themselves, but they kept up with their big mouths and their 2-bit hustler mentalities and their posses and got shot for it by some other petty clowns who took the ideas of "respect" and "dissed" too seriously..."

Pac ran his mouth like you stated, BIG really didn't. Not to the extent you make it seem. BIG tried doing all you said he should have done. Didn't work out because Pac kept running his mouth.

just another reason BIG > Pac

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 15, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I have NO problem bumpin Gucci in the car. Like I said earlier, Jeezy was good for one album, the last one he had last year was too commercial. What Gucci's doing ain't really commercial, yet. Even though everybody wants him on their track, he is still freash after spending that time locked up after Icy....

...So, I am basically showing the kids what sucks and whats good so they can follow mean and not any skinny jeans wearing dudes like Wayne...

If you feel you're too old, you might as well introduce yourself to Michael Baisden and 96....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 15, 2009 3:56 PM

4th- Since the first two paragraphs sound like Chinese, can you please tell me where to find Mr. Baisden and Mr. 96. I'd like to introduce myself to them. :)

Posted by: 4-12 | May 15, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Michael Baisden is a contemperary (sp?) evening drive time host. It is actually the highest rated drive time show in the DC area (of course you should know that or atleast validate what I am saying).

He is on 96.3 FM from 3 - 6pm. Talks about relationships, friendships, and the single life. He also talks alot of about pastors being pimps. Geared towards the 25 - 50 Mature group.

(after rereading my 1st paragraph I understand why you didn't understand. How you felt is basically how I feel when some guys on here get into those 'classic' songs from groups and/or bands I have never heard of in my life. No matter how many bands that are named, none ever comes to mind)

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 15, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

4th,

Its really not that Im feelin too old. Definitely not 96' Baisden old. I just want the music to evolve some. I mean I feel like everything out now is a repackage of whats been coming out the last 10-15 years.

I remember when I was in HS. Mobb Deep's "Shook Ones", Wu-Tang, Nas, 2Pac, Biggie, Outkast, Common, Dre, Snoop, Pharcyde. Even the No Limit stuff that dropped when I was in college had some originality in terms of the beats and other things.

Commercial or not, when Soulja boy has multiple hit songs then thats a problem. The music is not growing. Its stuck. And its not like I want someone to rap about being 30 like Jay Z attempted to do. I just want some originality, some creativity, some diversity. Gucci is cool but it would be even better if there was other artist out there pushing each other, challenging each other. Its just not there right now.

Aw well, I guess I'll be 40 still listening to my old Pac, Outkast, Chronics, etc.

Posted by: VaTerp1 | May 15, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I like the classics...little Frank Sinatra, Tony bennett, Dean Marting, etc.

I am not old, but I wish i was

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 15, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I think most of you know more about the "hood speak" than you let on... Some of it really isn't that hard to decipher if you put your mind to it.

Truth = Son that you really don't want to claim, but do because its the right thing to do.

Truth, when you're not some attention starved fiend, you're aight.

p1, you'4re not aware of the facts, if you think BIG's killing had to do with him wanting to beef with Tupac and Death Row Records.

BIG wanted know beef at all - wouldn't even make a diss track after Pac made 'Hit 'Em up' (which gave birth to the diss tracks as we know 'em today).

So by saying that BIG's demise stemed from him being on some sort of ego trip -- ("I think Biggie and Pac had every opportunity to carve out a nice life for themselves, but they kept up with their big mouths and their 2-bit hustler mentalities and their posses and got shot for it by some other petty clowns who took the ideas of "respect" and "dissed" too seriously...") -- is purely erroneous.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 15, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Beep beep

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 15, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

D'oh! THAT Michael Baisden on WHUR. Nevermind, I'm an idiot.
I was still confused by that 1st paragraph where you locked your Gucci bag in the car after you were bumping along on the icy road yelling jeezy peezy. Or something.

Posted by: 4-12 | May 15, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: VaTerp1 | May 15, 2009 4:22 PM

Agree 100%. Except nothing could touch 90s rap. Everyone is saying the same thing now. In the 90s there were plenty of different subject matters.

Now, it's all about money (they don't have), cars (they rent only for the videos and never really have), girls (which they actually have only because they think they have money and cars), and clothes (which is the only thing they'll own since they spend all of their money on it and girls and end up broke)....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 15, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Can you BELIEVE that woman beep beeping us at 4:30 on a Friday!?!?

Posted by: dcsween | May 15, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

And then, just to make a certain blogger stick to evaluating talent and not poll questions...

Will the addition of Albert Haynesworth transform the defensive line into a big-play unit?

By Cindy Boren | May 15, 2009; 10:00 AM ET

Hey, I just caught this. Okay, when it comes to evaluating talent I have to say that no one is more talented than Cindy Boren!

Tomorrow's poll topic:

What would Redskins Insider be without Cindy Boren?

1. Six Flags -- Headed for bankruptcy.
2. The Redskins -- Perpetual mediocrity.
3. Johnny Rocket's -- Several fries short of a Happy Meal.
4. Tom Cruise -- Mission Impossible.


Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 15, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

90s Rap is like 82'-91' Redskins football. Both so great that they hooked us for life but have been poor to mediocre ever since.

Here's to a revival of both. The sooner the better.

Posted by: VaTerp1 | May 15, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

The world jocks our style.

Believe dat.

Posted by: MistaMoe

If that makes you happy, then it is what it is but, keep that idea very very quiet.
Don't let any Italian hear you say that the world copy American style dressing. You will only make an *** of yourself.
The truth is America never had any dressing style. Google any Italian designer to confirm the truth.

Posted by: abxinc | May 15, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I like a bunch of music...While I came up during the Golden Era of Rap, I can appreciate some mid and late 90's stuff as well as rock, classical, jazz, etc...

Gimmee some:

EPMD
Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince (Will Smith for you newbees)
A Tribe Called Quest
Public Enemy
Beastie Boys
Big Daddy Kane
Biz
Biggie
Eazy-E
NWA

I can go on!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | May 15, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

90s Rap is like 82'-91' Redskins football. Both so great that they hooked us for life but have been poor to mediocre ever since.

Here's to a revival of both. The sooner the better.

Posted by: VaTerp1 | May 15, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Well said!

Posted by: rickyroge | May 15, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

I can do without the condescension, and would have you preferred you to have answered the criticisms:

The sucky psychic tie-breaker.

The bored fans who have to sing to stay awake.

The boneheads the sport attracts. Sure Football has it’s fair share of drunks in the stands, but futball all but invented goonery. Intellectual pursuit? Yeah.

The constant turnovers.

The faked injuries.

Posted by: TheCork | May 15, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse


Here are some thoughts to answer your criticisms (minus condescension).

1) Not sure what a "psychic" tie-breaker is, but if you are referring to penalty shoot-outs, it is simply a necessary, but imperfect solution - kind of like hockey shoot-outs or the sudden death NFL overtime.

2) They sing b/c they're passionate and they care about motivating the team; it's hard to continuously clap for 45 straight minutes.

3)The goonery and gangs associated with futbol, particularly in Europe/England have alot of cultural and socio-political roots and undertones. It's one of the interesting things about soccer that alot of social scientists, and writers have commented on. Whether it is the Celtic-Ranger games and the implications those had for Catholic/Protestant communities, or Real Madrid-Barcelona and the historical issues that the Barcelona region of Spain had with the Spanish crown...from time-to-time this has required attention from law enforcement. (If you want boneheads in sports, go no further than Raider fans).

4)Constant turnovers? C'mon, it is a free flowing sport. The turnovers are no more "constant" than they are in hockey or lacrosse or any other number of free-flowing sports.

5)Faked injuries? Sure, sometimes guys try to draw fouls and penalties. Something akin to LeBron James who grimaces and holds his jaw everytime he drives the lane; or 7-footers who go sprawling to the ground when a 6-foot point guard brushes by them trying to draw a charge, or a WR who hops and dances around wanting a pass interference flag anytime he's covered and doesn't catch the ball - or sometimes holds the CB himself and then acts like he's the one getting held. Any sports with contact fouls will ahve its share of people trying to exploit them.

Any "criticism" that you levy against soccer pretty much has its counterparts in every other sport.

You don't like it. Fine. I don't like cricket. But that doesn't mean I'm going to go off on the lack of strategy or talent that (I think) is required to play the game.

You can do without condescension? Me too, and there is usually alot less of it around the blog when you aren't posting.

Posted by: p1funk | May 15, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Man, Snyder always seems to be in the news for something. There's an article about him on riggosrag.com too - more from a fan's perspective.

Posted by: JHG_sec405 | May 17, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

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