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Sack attack powers defense this season

Anyone who watched cornerback Carlos Rogers bite on Brandon Marshall's double move on Denver's first touchdown Sunday - a 40-yard pass - or saw Marshall follow up with a 75-yard scoring reception before the end of the first quarter would suspect that the Redskins have shoddy a pass defense. Indeed, Rogers was benched after that first score, and the secondary has had problems with big plays all year.

But the numbers are stunning: The Redskins rank first in the NFL in pass defense, allowing just 162.7 yards per game.

The reasons for this, of course, are varied, and it helps that five of the Redskins' nine opponents rank 21st or worse in the league in passing offense - Detroit, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Carolina and Kansas City. (Denver is tied for 17th with Atlanta.)

But a bigger reason might be a vastly improved pass rush. After racking up three more sacks against the Broncos, the Redskins have 24 sacks on the season, tied for seventh in the NFL. That might not seem too glamorous, but consider that that nine-game total matches Washington's output for all of last year and it's a huge difference. (The Redskins tied for 28th in the 32-team league in sacks last year.)

"Last year I felt like we had some QBs feel very comfortable in the pocket," Coach Jim Zorn said. "And this year, we are making quarterbacks uncomfortable in the pocket. ... The pressure we're getting on the quarterback, creating just the sense of, for the quarterback, 'I've got to get rid of the ball sooner,' we've created some inaccurate throws. We've seen this with ourselves, so we kind of know what it does. I'm really proud of what our defense is doing this year. I'm proud of those guys that are getting the sacks. There's some unsung heroes with that."

The men who are getting the attention now: defensive end Andre Carter, who is tied for sixth in the league with eight sacks, and rookie linebacker-defensive end Brian Orakpo, whose seven sacks already are a Redskins rookie record. Orakpo is tied for 10th in the league.

"I think one thing about football, it's kind of similar to life," Carter said. "Life is about seasons. I've always worked hard. I've always trained hard through the offseason. It's just working out. I think one thing in general is just the blessings of the teammates that I have, with London Fletcher as the leader, and it goes down. Albert Haynesworth is an addition, especially with the rotation of tackles, with Cornelius Griffin, with Kedric Golston and Lorenzo Alexander. We have Brian Orakpo on the other side. It's just a great tribute to them, and my little success is them taking me to another level as well."

Carter's career high of 12.5 sacks came in 2002, his second year in the league, when he was with San Francisco. He has had one other season with more than eight sacks - 2007, when he had 10.5. He said the presence of Haynesworth and Orakpo have helped free him up; he is getting chipped by a running back or facing both a guard and a tackle far less frequently.

"I knew some good was going to come out of it from last year, and it's just been a blessing this year," Carter said.

Orakpo, the 13th overall pick in the April draft out of the University of Texas, didn't have a sack in his first two games, when he seemed to end up in coverage more often than he did in the offensive backfield. But he has 3.5 sacks in the past two games - two at Atlanta and 1.5 sacks against the Broncos.

"It's a huge accomplishment," he said. "I didn't know about it till not too long ago. It's just trying to improve each and every time I step out there and just do my job. That's what I'm out there for and that's what they drafted me for, to make big plays."

Among the pass rushers with fewer sacks than Orakpo: Jason Taylor, Osi Umenyiora, Shawne Merriman and Mario Williams.

Even with the improvement, the Redskins aren't exactly going to threaten the franchise mark for sacks in a season (66 in 1984). But last year, Carter led the team - with four. He might triple that team lead by the end of the year.

By Barry Svrluga  |  November 17, 2009; 6:50 AM ET
 
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First to declare that Orakpo should be a DE full time. And to say that people who right First are total tools :P

Posted by: alex35332 | November 17, 2009 7:19 AM | Report abuse

Don't have a problem with him splitting DE and WILL as it maximizes his time on the field. If he was an every down DE as a rookie teams would do the same thing they did to Peppers as a rookie - load up on him in the running game to get him tired and on the sidelines when it counts late. This scheme keeps the big guys off him on most running downs.

Posted by: geotherm21 | November 17, 2009 7:51 AM | Report abuse

Great! They've got some sacks. Hip Hip......

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | November 17, 2009 8:01 AM | Report abuse

"First to declare that Orakpo should be a DE full time."

This would be too structured and limiting.

It would give a NFL coordinator an easy way to locate and plan against him.

Let Carter play end and let Orakpo 'free lance' and move around to create confusion.

Do with Orakpo what Grilliams didn't want to with Lavar: let the kid make plays and be a star.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 17, 2009 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Thank you Mr. Hanesworth!

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 17, 2009 8:08 AM | Report abuse

It's obvious from last night's game the browns will be searching for a quarterback.

They have a defense--that's for sure.

But even if they decide to take a quarterback, given the depth at the position this year, some excellent young signal caller is going to fall into the second round.

And hopefully, the redskins will move to get him.

Again: most folks say Sam Bradford's injured shoulder will cause his stock to drop.

If this happens, the skins would do well to bounce on the kid.

I mean, would he have left two touchdowns on the field in the way Jason Campbell did Sunday?

Don't think so.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 17, 2009 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Do with Orakpo what Grilliams didn't want to with Lavar: let the kid make plays and be a star.

Posted by: MistaMoe

Great point Moe Grilliams messed up Lavar and ruined his stay in DC

Posted by: jcnjcnj | November 17, 2009 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Betts had only 11 carries in the team's first seven games.

Interestingly, in both the 2006 season and the current one, Portis managed just one 100-yard performance in the team's first eight games before getting injured. In taking Portis's starting spot, Betts responded with five straight 100-yard games in 2006. On Sunday against the Broncos, he posted his first 100-yard game since then.

Wow...I mean, you can't read the column on Betts which containers the above, and not come away shaking your head about how this team was/is run...JZ preached how he was gonna limit CP's carries, then gives Betts 11 over the first 7 games....I mean its laughable...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Anybody see Los' interview after the game, whining about being benched? he just doesn't get it.....heck with him. shoulda kept walt harris.

RAK for ROY!!!!!! Double digit sack total for the season would have to make him a lock

Posted by: drewkinnear | November 17, 2009 8:24 AM | Report abuse

First to declare that Orakpo should be a DE full time. And to say that people who right First are total tools :P

Posted by: alex35332 | November 17, 2009 7:19 AM

Yeah, you're the first to say that...the first after Matt Mosely at ESPN said it 3 months ago.

Posted by: hithere1 | November 17, 2009 8:25 AM | Report abuse

I believe Alex was being just a tad fecetious....
...of or having to do with feces....

...maps...

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 17, 2009 8:29 AM | Report abuse

rogers needs to go...just cut his backside today...after making those comments, I can't see him helping this team in any way shape or form...

Dawan Landry had a pick-6 last night, wonder if he could teach younger brother Laron how to do that???

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Great point Moe Grilliams messed up Lavar and ruined his stay in DC

Posted by: jcnjcnj | November 17, 2009 8:16 AM | Report abuse

LaVar would have been in the HOF if we had kept Marvin Lewis as DC or made him head coach over Spurrier. He had 11 sacks that year.

I mean sure you can move KpO around but he needs more reps at DE then OLB. Split it like 70/30

Posted by: alex35332 | November 17, 2009 8:34 AM | Report abuse

I believe Alex was being just a tad fecetious....
...of or having to do with feces....

...maps...

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 17, 2009 8:29 AM | Report abuse

I am a very serious person. Just ask my giant rabbit.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 17, 2009 8:37 AM | Report abuse

"...rogers needs to go...just cut his backside today..."


So we are down to choosing between two tigers:

Jason Campbell

or

Carlos Rogers


Which Auburn Tiger is a keeper?

Campbell.

Sign him to a low ball incentive laden deal, then draft a q-back in the second round to sit behind him for a season, maybe two until the offensive line is repaired.

Carlos Rogers is an ordinary cornerback in a league where such guys are a dime a dozen.

And Dan Snyder has a lot of dimes.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 17, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't blame everything on Carlos because he wasn't the only one to leave a WR wide open. It happened twice after Carlos was benched. So maybe we need to look at the coaches for how they coached them up during the week. It's easy to single out Carlos but that'll be wrong.

Posted by: tundey | November 17, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

It's funny -- for years fans argued that the Skins defense desperately needed to upgrade the DL to get after the QB. But nooooo -- the system worked. In the words of a famous leprechaun, "If it ain't broke, why fix it? These sheep will buy a loser's jersey too." So they ignored the DL for years.

And now that they finally get around to building a DL? They let the OL fester for so long that they're totally uncompetitive.

By the time they fix the OL, QB, RB situation, the DL will be in need of another upgrade -- which they'll ignore while Haynesworth and Carter get after the QB with the help of a walker.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | November 17, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Harvey?

...hehe.

I was down w/ keeping Marvin Lewis, but he wasn't really ready then, I don't think... dunno, tho. He's doing great now.

I was/am a big LaVar fan, but I'm not so sure he wasn't just physically done. He'll never admit it (why should he?). But there were definitely ongoing problems.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 17, 2009 8:50 AM | Report abuse

from Tracee Hamilton

"Maybe...the improvement has something to do with the fraternity of backups, of second-stringers, of guys who don't get the reps at practice and usually run off the field with clean uniforms. A lot of those guys are playing now..."


Nothing like opportunity.

Chance is the oil that lubricates frustration and makes everything move easily.

And this year's redskins' team has been very frustrated.

Getting second and third teir guys on the field shouldn't happen just because things aren't happening for the 'star' players.

The best teams keep most jobs open so guys know they have to produce in order to play.

Rotating multiple guys into spots allows a team to see who can do what, when and how.

Injury should not have been the cause of Ladell Betts and Rock Cartwright getting more carries.

But now that they have the opportunity, let's hope they are allowed to make the most of it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 17, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

I do think the team should part with Rogers end of the season, problem is that I don't know what FA CB's are out there. The guy has given up on the team. I don't blame him for all the mistakes, we are the only team dumb enough to go into a season with 3 quality corners, 3 quality strong safeties and no free safety.

BTW here is a thought for down the road, D-Hall to free safety? he has the best ball hawk and speed of our backfield doesn't he? Also his lack of quality tackling would be less of a liability in the run game.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 17, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

So where are the obligatory weekly columns from Jenkins and Feinstein bashing the Redskins?

Oh, they didn't lose this week?

What an inconvenience for those two talentless hacks.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 17, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

First to declare that Orakpo should be a DE full time. And to say that people who right First are total tools :P

Posted by: alex35332 | November 17, 2009 7:19 AM

Thanks to their shoddy personnel department, I don't think they have a choice but to play Rak at linebacker. Got to get your best players on the field. If they move Rak to end who plays backer? Blades? He's not an every down guy. I understand Blache's inclination to have Daniels out there (a good run-stopping end) rather than Blades. They should address SAM backer in the offseason and move Rak to end next year.

Posted by: hithere1 | November 17, 2009 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: mhaslup1 | November 17, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't blame everything on Carlos because he wasn't the only one to leave a WR wide open.

Correct, but Hall made an INT, which kind of makes things a little bit more palatable on his part....Rogers didn't, doesn't, and is now pouting, and saying all the WRONG things....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Would like to see C Rog play vs. Dallas; besides this is the time of year Romo starts turning to a pumpkin... Orak and Haynes always line up on the same side on 3rd downs. I would line them on the right side of Dallas's line w/ Columbo out for the season...

Posted by: bernard_thompson | November 17, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Current list of FA CB in an uncapped year

Cornerbacks

The defensive backs are not nearly as strong. Leigh Bodden has been a good fit with the Patriots and he's another guy who may receive a new deal from his current club. Dunta Robinson tried to get a guarantee from the Texans not to franchise him again. Most of the rest have been barely hanging on, and age is particularly critical at these positions. Many have been cut recently already, and are nickel guys at best.

Dre' Bly, Leigh Bodden, Ralph Brown, Demarcus Faggins, Travis Fisher, Nick Harper, Walt Harris, Anthony Henry, Roderick Hood, William James, Nate Jones, Ken Lucas, Hank Poteat, Keiwan Ratliff, Dunta Robinson, Allen Rossum, Benny Sapp, DeShea Townsend, Frank Walker, Dante Wesley, Brian Williams.

Posted by: TWISI | November 17, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Moving Hall to free safety would be like the Todd Wade experiment. You need a free safety who can cover ground but be able to tackle as well.

Couldn't agree with Mr.Redskins21 more. On my most hated list Carlos Rogers is 1A, Sally Jenkins is 1B. Only has something to say when they lose.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 17, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

"The Redskins rank first in the NFL in pass defense, allowing just 162.7 yards per game. The reasons for this, of course, are varied, and it helps that five of the Redskins' nine opponents rank 21st or worse in the league in passing offense."

Too true. If you look at one of the sites that weights NFL statistics by opponent, you get something like this (not including the Denver game):

Overall defense rank: 13
Rush defense: 6
Pass defense: 21

Pass defense against different types of receivers:
Against opponent's #1 or #2: 23rd
Against other receiver or RB: 19th
Against TE: 30th

Of course, there are other factors involved. Last season, the Skins had trouble scoring TDs but were quite good at moving the chains and maintaining an edge in time of possession. That's gone in '09, of course, leaving the defense on the field for big chunks, often starting in an unfavorable position. And there are those awkward TOs on special teams, like Randle El's a couple weeks ago. All bad for your defensive numbers.

But the Skins knew full well their defensive stats would drop some once they committed to a more high-risk strategy designed to produce QB pressure and the resulting sacks and TOs. They thought it was worth it. I think ultimately they're correct. If the offense can ever get going -- well, they got going a little against Denver, and Washington looked like a different club.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 17, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't blame everything on Carlos because he wasn't the only one to leave a WR wide open. It happened twice after Carlos was benched. So maybe we need to look at the coaches for how they coached them up during the week. It's easy to single out Carlos but that'll be wrong.

Posted by: tundey | November 17, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

If we're going to bench someone for screwing up on two plays between two different games, or not playing well in general, let's apply that to Randel El in the punt return game.

I can think of 3 times off the top of my head where the ball sailed over his head. Let's not talk about the fair catches, and lack of knowing how to run straight vs. side to side.

Posted by: overzealous08 | November 17, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Based on last night, no wonder Mangini waits until midweek to announce who his starting QB is going to be. Both Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn are TERRIBLE. Just AWFUL. It's hard to be a Skins fan sometimes, but I'd be looking for the nearest cliff to jump off if I was a Browns fan...

Posted by: mattylight | November 17, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

If you were a Browns fan, you'd be a Balmer fan....


...dohp!

...maps...

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 17, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

I was reading the entry and I thought - wow, there's no negativity here - then, duh! - JR DIDN'T write it.

But yeah, if we had an above average offense, the defense would be much better.

Posted by: charley42 | November 17, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

And if you were a Balmer fan, you'd be home by now!

er...something...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 17, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

If we had an AVERAGE offense, we'd have a better defense.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 17, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

I was down w/ keeping Marvin Lewis, but he wasn't really ready then, I don't think... dunno, tho. He's doing great now.
Posted by: DikShuttle

Dik,
I may be wrong, would not be the first time. But Lewis was ready to be a head coach the year before he got the skins job. He interviewed for several HC jobs that year and just didn't get it, and the year after he left in 02 he became Cinci's head Coach.

He also went 8-8 that first year as a head coach, and his second year.

I think he was beyond ready, and if he were to leave Cinci I would want him in a heart beat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Lewis

Posted by: alex35332 | November 17, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

They should start working Barnes into the secondary. Give him a few plays this week anyway.

I think Rogers is gone after this season, and I can't say I'll miss him.

It was bad enough that he couldn't catch anything, but for a while he could cover; now he can't even do that right.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 17, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

I agree MrRedskins21.

Los had great potential as a shut down guy with no hands, but he has quit this team as a person.

I hate quitters.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 17, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

I remember reading that in whatever drill they use (I think it is the shuttle) at the combine to measure a player's ability to change direction quickly, which is considered a top indicator of ability for a corner, Carlos tied the best time they ever had. Who did he tie? Deion Sanders.

They might as well get rid of him now, but I think he gets added to list of players with promise who they failed to develop.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | November 17, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Anyone know how many of Orakpo's sacks came while he was lined up as a DE vs. at LB?

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

I wonder how much of this pressure is adding to the secondary being beaten on double moves? You saw Rogers jump Marshall's route, which he has had a propensity for doing in the past, but then you saw Landry do the same thing just a few minutes later. It's been pretty common this season, and I'm wondering if the secondary is still trying to find that balance between jumping routes because you know the QB doesn't have time and staying home with the intention of protecting from the big play.

Posted by: psps23 | November 17, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

mh, how did they fail to develop him?? he's had every opportunity in the WORLD right in front of him.....yet has failed at EVERY chance...this is 1000000 percent on him not on the team...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Well....Look for Vinny to point to this as something he got right. Get a new QB, a HC, and a couple of lineman, BAM.....

Watch for it....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 17, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

I wonder how much of this pressure is adding to the secondary being beaten on double moves? You saw Rogers jump Marshall's route, which he has had a propensity for doing in the past, but then you saw Landry do the same thing just a few minutes later. It's been pretty common this season, and I'm wondering if the secondary is still trying to find that balance between jumping routes because you know the QB doesn't have time and staying home with the intention of protecting from the big play.

Posted by: psps23 | November 17, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

I dont remember Landry doing it. I remember Hall letting his man go because Smoot was supposed to have deep middle and Smoot bit on the short route. The second TD was, I'm pretty sure, on Smoot.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | November 17, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

I am with Greg, Jerry Gray is a solid position coach. No reason for Los not to develop. Its not like with the WR's who have a pop-warner guy coaching their position.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 17, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

I remember reading that in whatever drill they use (I think it is the shuttle) at the combine to measure a player's ability to change direction quickly, which is considered a top indicator of ability for a corner, Carlos tied the best time they ever had. Who did he tie? Deion Sanders.

They might as well get rid of him now, but I think he gets added to list of players with promise who they failed to develop.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | November 17, 2009 9:35 AM |

Bull Sh-t

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 17, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

By the time they fix the OL, QB, RB situation, the DL will be in need of another upgrade -- which they'll ignore while Haynesworth and Carter get after the QB with the help of a walker.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | November 17, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Jarmon, Orakpo, Haynesworth, and Golston are all under 30 and will be under 30 for a couple more years. We should be able to have the offense overhauled before we need to overhaul the D line again. I think Jarmon and Orakpo will be here for a long time. Golston has really been coming on lately and Haynesowrth is going to be a dominating force for a while. We will need some linebackers though. Fletcher will retire in a couple of years and we'll need a new strong side linebacker when Carter leaves. We'll probably replace Carter with Orakpo and get a real SAM. I think we'll end up overhauling the linebackers but part of me really wants to give H.B. Blades a shot. I have been impressed with him everytime he takes the field. Chris Wilson may actually develop into a SAM too. We have some good young players. They just need to see some playing time. We should be evaluating them more since we are pretty much out of the playoffs at this point. Find out what we have for the future before draft day hits. Let's see more of:

H.B. Blades
Kevin Barnes
Lendy Holmes
Kareem Moore
Chris Wilson
Jeremy Jarmon
Kederic Golston
Find out where that Dixon kid went and find him a roster spot.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 17, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

"Anyone know how many of Orakpo's sacks came while he was lined up as a DE vs. at LB?

Posted by: brownwood26"

I'm pretty sure his first 5.5 came at DE. I don't know about the last game.

The thing about Orakpo being a hybrid is that the offense can never account for where he'll line up on a given play. And that is huge. It's the same philosophy behind using a 3-4 defense, where the best pass rushers purposefully do not rush on every down.

Posted by: psps23 | November 17, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

psp, what are your thoughts on Rogers, after the game, the benching and the comments he made??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't blame everything on Carlos because he wasn't the only one to leave a WR wide open. It happened twice after Carlos was benched. So maybe we need to look at the coaches for how they coached them up during the week. It's easy to single out Carlos but that'll be wrong.

Posted by: tundey | November 17, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse


I remember reading that Hall was supposed to have safety help deep.

Rogers did not and just made a plain dumb decision to bite on the move...like he usually does...which is why he got benched...not one play but a consistent pattern of getting beat the same way.

Posted by: p1funk | November 17, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

"I dont remember Landry doing it. I remember Hall letting his man go because Smoot was supposed to have deep middle and Smoot bit on the short route. The second TD was, I'm pretty sure, on Smoot.

Posted by: mhaslup1"

I'm pretty sure it was Landry, and because he was the one who jumped the route, Smoot was the guy left chasing trying to cover for him.

Regardless, it's still the entire secondary looking for that big play, and I'm wondering if that's because they're trying to take advantage of the pressure being created by the defensive line (and haven't learned where that fine line between risky and stupid lies).

Posted by: psps23 | November 17, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

"...You saw Rogers jump Marshall's route, which he has had a propensity for doing in the past, but then you saw Landry do the same thing just a few minutes later."

To be honest, Landry--and not Rogers--is the player who disappoints.

Someone should teach him how to tackle.

'Blowing up' guys is not the only way to bring a runner down--Landry doesn't seem to get this.

Landry misses more tackles than Rogers is faked out on double moves.

They both need to get it together.

Or get gone.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 17, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

I think he sounded like a selfish pr*ck. His heart is not with the team anymore. This is where we need a Mike Singletary vs. Vernon Davis moment.

Posted by: psps23 | November 17, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

moe, unfortunately there is a nugget of truth to that....there is no shortage of bust labels when it comes to LL/CR...neither guy has lived up to their billing/draft position...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

I don't disagree that Rak should play at DE but what worries me is can he hold up over a season given the physical side of playing DE? Now the Carlos Rogers situation you can't cut him because if an injury occurs then what? The kid probably feels he is being blamed for those two bombs when i thought he should have had help over the top on at least one of those td's by Marshall,that being said "Los" should have kept his mouth shut or be smart about his comments to the media.

Posted by: dargregmag | November 17, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

I wonder how much of this pressure is adding to the secondary being beaten on double moves? You saw Rogers jump Marshall's route, which he has had a propensity for doing in the past, but then you saw Landry do the same thing just a few minutes later. It's been pretty common this season, and I'm wondering if the secondary is still trying to find that balance between jumping routes because you know the QB doesn't have time and staying home with the intention of protecting from the big play.

Posted by: psps23 | November 17, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Could be that, also might be taking more risk because they don't trust the offense to go out there and win the game.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | November 17, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Dont put Orakpo at DE full time, let Jarmon play the other end. If you put Orakpo then teams will just run his way every down because he is not a big NFC east run stopper. By moving him around on different sides and standing him up you keep the offense guessing where he is and that benefits the defense.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | November 17, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Carlos Rogers has a terrible attitude and he's a toxic locker room influence. Having said that, they should franchise him or do a sign-and-trade deal so that they can get some value out of him. Some team will give up a third rounder for him - probably New Orleans where Greg williams currently calls home. They need to get Barnes into games. Give the kids some experience. Aren't the Redskins approaching Barnes' development just like they have the triplets? They expect him to develop but won't give him playing time to develop...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 17, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else wish Grilliams was the HC or DC right now, just so we could watch how he dealt with CR? Guarantee he wouldn't have said what he did with Gregg Williams to answer to...

Posted by: mattylight | November 17, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Now the Carlos Rogers situation you can't cut him because if an injury occurs then what

Kevin Barnes....time to take the wrapper off of him, and see what he can do...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

The thing about Orakpo being a hybrid is that the offense can never account for where he'll line up on a given play. And that is huge. It's the same philosophy behind using a 3-4 defense, where the best pass rushers purposefully do not rush on every down.

Posted by: psps23 | November 17, 2009 9:46 AM


I said all along that I would love him as a LB in a 3-4, but we don't run a 3-4 here. Perhaps that's something the team should look into...always thought Haynesworth could be a force in that system.

"Great One"...just stop with the "Orakpo is too small to play DE full-time" stuff. Dude is 260 pounds, plenty size to play DE every down. He outweighs Andre Carter by at least 10 pounds and Strahan played LDE at less than 260 and last I checked he did alright for NY.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

If I were making the decision on Los, I wouldn't let him walk w/o getting something in return. Hopefully Los will be a RFA, and the skins could tender an offer. This should be a deep draft, so stock piling picks in rounds 3-5 should benefit the team with cheaper, yet more talented than the average year players.

Posted by: TWISI | November 17, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

beantown

"Kevin Barnes....time to take the wrapper off of him, and see what he can do..."

We made this point earlier.

Giving multiple guys a shot at playing one position is the easiest way to develope depth and keep dudes on their toes.

Injury is the only way young redskin players get on the field, not poor play by a starter.

This has to stop.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 17, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

"Great One"...just stop with the "Orakpo is too small to play DE full-time" stuff. Dude is 260 pounds, plenty size to play DE every down. He outweighs Andre Carter by at least 10 pounds and Strahan played LDE at less than 260 and last I checked he did alright for NY.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2009 10:07 AM


Why would you put your best pass rusher in the position to get beat up every down by teams running down hill at him?

Posted by: GreatOne1 | November 17, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Dawan Landry had a pick-6 last night, wonder if he could teach younger brother Laron how to do that???

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 8:29 AM |


No Sh!t

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 17, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

twis, the problem with that logic is you have to find a team stupid enough to want to part with a 3rd rounder in order to secure the lousy services, and lousy attitude of CR....I mean, terrible hands, terrible attitude, can't cover double moves....who WOULDN'T want that on their team....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

I would imagine that Orakpo is playing OLB again next year, they will let Daniels retire or go and move Jarmon full time DE with Carter for another year or two, but still revolving the group for obvious passing downs.

unless they decided that Carter will be the odd man out, but how do you do that when he has this year??

BTW, I apologize for the stupidity I displayed yesterday with my online arguement with Natsfan.

Hail Skins.

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 17, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Whatever became of the DT Montgomery? Last I heard of him, he was battling an ankle or something early in the season. He has natural ability coming out of his ears. If you could put Golston's drive & desire in Montgomery's body, we'd really have something.

Posted by: MColeman51 | November 17, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Unless they trade Monty, but who would want, what they havent been able to see in a season, I hope that they gear him up for next year, I think our Dline will be even better. Jarmon/ Orakpo, AH, Gholston/ Monty, Carter/ Wilson...nice young group with solid rotation for years to come, plus Lorenzo Alexander in there somewhere, I loved his hit on Sunday. He seems to be a player or overachiever.

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 17, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

From the Times:

Brian Orakpo is one of five Rookie of The Week nominees. The linebacker from Texas had six tackles and 1.5 sacks in Washington's 27-17 victory over Denver.

Orakpo's seven sacks are a Redskins rookie record surpassing the previous mark of six held by tackle Dean Hamel (1985) and linebacker Andre Collins (1990).

The other nominees are Eagles receiver Jerome Maclin, Cardinals running back Beanie Wells, Bengals return man Bernard Scott and Packers linebacker Clay Matthews

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

BG there at this point Los will be the third or fourth rated CB in this FA class. Some team will bite. Los is young, and has a lot of experience. He's been a starter on a very good defensive team for years. HE has value, it would be foolish not to capitalize it.

Posted by: TWISI | November 17, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Why would you put your best pass rusher in the position to get beat up every down by teams running down hill at him?

Posted by: GreatOne1 | November 17, 2009 10:12 AM


Have you seen 'Rak? Dude is cut, chiseled. He's not Robert Mathis, who is about 240 pounds with rocks in his pocket. You talk about 'Rak like he's your daughter or something.

He was an every down DE in college and was great at it. I just don't see why you would take him away from what he does best, and from the position he did it best.

Again...Carter is smaller than him and he hasn't been broken in half by the mighty NFC East O-linemen. I don't see why a bigger, stronger Orakpo would be.

He's a big boy. He can handle it, trust me.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

@PAskins: Dixon signed with the iggles, sadly. I liked him too; looked like he could have cracked the rotation and permitted the trade of the less-than-thrilled-to-have-Big-Al-on-his-team A. Montgomery for an OL.

Posted by: AppleScience | November 17, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

"BTW, I apologize for the stupidity I displayed yesterday with my online arguement with Natsfan."

Posted by: mhartz1


Apologizing for online bickering = power rankings

Posted by: RedDMV | November 17, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

twis, I just don't see it, the lack of interceptions, heck Buffalo has a rookie CB who has more interceptions in his rookie year, than LOS has had in a 5 year career....he's just not that good...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

twis, the problem with that logic is you have to find a team stupid enough to want to part with a 3rd rounder in order to secure the lousy services, and lousy attitude of CR....I mean, terrible hands, terrible attitude, can't cover double moves....who WOULDN'T want that on their team....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 10:18 AM


Since he already plays for the Skins, they can't make that trade...Oakland maybe? They DID give big money to DHall after his misadventures in ATL after all...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

"He (Brian Orakpo) was an every down DE in college and was great at it. I just don't see why you would take him away from what he does best, and from the position he did it best."


I don't see why you'd take a guy who you can use to blitz and create pressure from several angles, and limit him to one spot on the defense.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 17, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Wasnt Orakpo a full time DE at Texas? So why could he not do it full time in the pros?

anyone going to the game in Dallas, I just got my tickets.

Hail Skins.

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 17, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I have an off topic question, hopefully you guys can help me out.

Does anybody know where I could watch this Sunday game in Rome, Italy?

Thanks a lot.

Posted by: thor2 | November 17, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

brown, the problem with that is again, DHall creates turnovers, he makes interceptions...what are you paying for with Carlos?? He doesn't create turnovers...so you're paying for an ok tackling cornerback who is sub-standard in coverage??

Thats not exactly appealing...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Clay is going to win that.....

All 3 USC Rookie LBs are performing very well....beyond rookie expectations....and so is Orakpo..

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 17, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

"Does anybody know where I could watch this Sunday game in Rome, Italy?"

Of course not. No games being played in Rome this week.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 17, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Nov 16 3:58 ET

The Washington Redskins announced today that they signed CB Doug Dutch to the practice squad. Dutch, a Washington native from Gonzaga HS, played collegiantly at Michigan.

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 17, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Great point Moe Grilliams messed up Lavar and ruined his stay in DC

Posted by: jcnjcnj


Lavar ruined his time all by himself, he was lazy in practice and didnt watch film and freelanced in a assignment heavy defense. Gregg coudlnt trust him or change him so Lavar parted ways.

Posted by: skinball77 | November 17, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Teams aren't stupid, they know talent when they see it. And Carlos Rogers has talent. He can garner offers, he's just not going to be getting that love from the Redskins given his current attitude on and off the field.

Posted by: psps23 | November 17, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

I am all for using Orakpo all over the place, as long as gets the job done.

Highlander Bar in Rome, Italy should have the games on

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 17, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

I don't see why you'd take a guy who you can use to blitz and create pressure from several angles, and limit him to one spot on the defense.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 17, 2009 10:37 AM

If it works, then great. But it seems rather telling that the vast majority of his sacks are coming from the DE position. Just sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

brown, the problem with that is again, DHall creates turnovers, he makes interceptions...what are you paying for with Carlos?? He doesn't create turnovers...so you're paying for an ok tackling cornerback who is sub-standard in coverage??

Thats not exactly appealing...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 10:45 AM


Neither is an oft-injured problem child at WR...yet Javon Walker still wears silver and black.

You give the Raiders waaay too much credit.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

"He (Brian Orakpo) was an every down DE in college and was great at it. I just don't see why you would take him away from what he does best, and from the position he did it best."

Are you not satisfied with 7 sacks in 9 games from a rookie who's only going to get better?

Posted by: psps23 | November 17, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

ummm...it's that week again.

F Dallas.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 17, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

have an off topic question, hopefully you guys can help me out.

Does anybody know where I could watch this Sunday game in Rome, Italy?

Thanks a lot.

Posted by: thor2 | November 17, 2009 10:40 AM


Highlander Bar in Rome Italy will have the games on, they may charge you to get in an watch though, price for loyalty.

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 17, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Teams aren't stupid, they know talent when they see it. And Carlos Rogers has talent.

For what?? What exactly is he talented in?? Kneedle-point?? Finger Paints? Origami? Cooking? Cuz, I'm just not seeing it on the field..

He's still doing the same things he's struggled with since day 1...that says he's not a hard worker, not a film watcher, and doesn't put in the time to get better.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

to thor in Italy:

If you know how to view streaming video, check out the site "myp2p.com" - they do have links to streaming content for all NFL games.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 17, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Does anybody know where I could watch this Sunday game in Rome, Italy?

Thanks a lot.

Posted by: thor2 | November 17, 2009 10:40 AM

Off the top of my head, I'd say try the Vatican, Coliseum, Pantheon, Spanish Steps, or Trevi Fountain.
Now, you're absolutely guaranteed to not find the Skins game at any of these places.
Which is my circular way of saying, "Dude, you're in friggin' Rome, and you're worrying about watching a Redskins game?!"

Posted by: 4-12 | November 17, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

yeah, 4, that's kind of a good point, there.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 17, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

He's a 6'1, long-armed corner who can hit like a safety, is as athletic as any corner you'll see in this league, and has shown in the past that he has the ability to be an elite cover guy. That is talent. He has a bad attitude which hurts his stock with the Redskins (as it did with DHall in Atlanta and Oakland, who also struggled mightily with those teams at the end of his tenure) but that doesn't mean every team in the league thinks they'll get the same attitude.

Posted by: psps23 | November 17, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

4-12,

I've been there a couple of times so I don't care much about the places you mentioned.

mhartz1,

Their website says they have between 2 and 4 games on.

Posted by: thor2 | November 17, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Rogers needs a foot up his ass and at least an hour every day in front of the ball machine or doing tip drills, but don't cut him.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | November 17, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

I would do this with c. rogers..put him in bump and run man to man all over with field who-ever he lines up with, he seems to fail more often when he is backed off the receiver 10-12 yds let him play man he has talent and speed(bad hands).

Posted by: wathu19 | November 17, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

i don't think carlos rogers is a terrible cornerback but i think he lacks the elite instincts of a champ baily or charles woodson. he spends too much time trying to play the qb instead of the man in front of him. he's also the biggest corner on the team so there's no reason for him to give as much cushion as he does. he needs to jam his man on each and every play. i didn't care for his attitude after he got benched where he said he "didn't pay attention to what was going on...". he knows he has several deficiencies..suceptible to the double move..bad hands. he needs to work on those if he wants to prove that his name should be mentioned amongst the league's best corners.

Posted by: charronegro1971 | November 17, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

re: lavar,

If I recall correctly, when Grilliams benched him, the defense was playing pretty well without him anyway.

re: rogers, let him go. wasted draft pick. and btw - d hall needs to get slapped by Jerry gray for that stupid lateral. come to think of it, suisham needs to get smacked for those oobs kickoffs. we barely beat Denver with C. Simms handing us gifts everywhere. Still made mistakes with the game on the line. That said, BEAT dallas.

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | November 17, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Don't be fooled by the passing ranking. The Skins rank 24th in rush defense. The combo of the Skins getting behind in games, facing weak pass offenses, and losing the time of possession battle put their pass ranking at #1. This is not a great defense.

Posted by: rucks35 | November 17, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

"I have an off topic question, hopefully you guys can help me out.

Does anybody know where I could watch this Sunday game in Rome, Italy?

Thanks a lot.

Posted by: thor2 | November 17, 2009 10:40 AM"

If you're still stateside, you can pick up a Slingbox unit, and then you can watch the game on YOUR TV from anywhere in the world that has internet service on your laptop, and/or on some cellphones...

Posted by: ThinkingMan | November 17, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Several teams would and will be lining up for Los services but with a strong finish I could see him staying in Washington remember last season when he shut down WR's like T.O, Boldin and Fitzgerald and Megatron (Calvin Johnson) so when this guy is on there's only a few corners better Champ Bailey,Asomugha,Darelle Revis,Asante Samuel and Charles Woodson to name a few so if a guy can be mentioned with the likes of these guys why cut him? maybe this benching will turn his head around.

Posted by: robbkels | November 17, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Orakpo for DE only! They also need to play Jarmon more!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | November 17, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

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