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The View from Charlotte

Coming off their bye week, the winless Panthers are approaching the season the only way they can, writes Charles Chandler of the Charlotte Observer: They're gonna pretend those three games never happened; there's nuthin' more to see here, just keep movin'.

Quarterback Jake Delhomme said the team came back so refreshed and loose he could "feel it in the air."
If that sounds like a team in denial, fullback Brad Hoover said the Panthers are taking the only sensible approach - fixing their gaze ahead and not looking back.
"Right now, I think in everyone's mind on this team, that's the way it has to be approached," he said.
One thing very different about this Monday from most others is players weren't nursing aches and pains from a game the previous day.
"The body feels pretty good," said Delhomme. "Guys aren't walking around all kind of beat up like a normal week."
Instead, the Panthers take the field against Washington Sunday healthier than they've been all season.

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The Panthers will have a new defensive tackle Sunday: Hollis Thomas was signed to help the defense stop the run.

Carter Echoes Harrison

Cris Carter, Dan Steinberg writes, is the second Pro Bowl player to criticize quarterback Jason Campbell. He joins Rodney Harrison in that department.

Maybe They Could Play Each Other

Steinberg compares and contrasts the Redskins and Capitals.

By Cindy Boren  |  October 6, 2009; 11:50 AM ET
 
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Does Jason Campbell think everyone else is as dumb as he is?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 6, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Playing time vs. Bucs
By Ryan O'Halloran on Oct. 6, 2009 into Redskins 360

Haven't made it out to Redskin Park yet today but I'm sure the Great Punt Off 2009 is well under way. I believe a punter will be signed today or Wednesday so they can start working with the special teams and be ready to play Sunday at Carolina.

Here are the playing time totals for every defensive player and every offensive skill-position player Sunday against Tampa Bay (all totals are unofficial and include penalty snaps, but not delay of game or selected false starts):

OFFENSE (61 snaps)

RB: Clinton Portis 41, Mike Sellers 34, Ladell Betts 14, Marcus Mason 6.

TE: Chris Cooley 58, Fred Davis 6.

WR: Santana Moss 60, Malcolm Kelly 50, Antwaan Randle El 22, Devin Thomas 11.

Analysis: Davis and Thomas continue to see minimal playing time. Three of Davis' six snaps were the end-of-game kneel downs. ... On second offensive snap, the Redskins went with an empty backfield when Portis motioned to wide right. The Bucs floated a safety over to cover Portis. ... Interesting formation in the second quarter -- Cooley and Davis wide left and right and Moss and Kelly in slot left and right.

DEFENSE (57 snaps)

DL: Andre Carter 50, Albert Haynesworth 45, Kedric Golston 31, Cornelius Griffin 28, Phillip Daniels 21, Jeremy Jarmon 11, Lorenzo Alexander 7.

LB: London Fletcher 57, Brian Orakpo 54, Rocky McIntosh 42, Chris Wilson 6.

DB: LaRon Landry 57, Carlos Rogers 57, DeAngelo Hall 57, Reed Doughty 49, Justin Tryon 24, Chris Horton 21, Kareem Moore 9, Fred Smoot 1.

Analysis: Obviously, Smoot has fallen on the depth chart -- his only snap came as a safety late in the first half. ... Jarmon played no first-half snaps but was on the field for the final three snaps and forced the game-sealing fumble. ... Tryon's sack came in a dime package when he blitzed from the left slot. ... On Tampa Bay's first third down, the Redskins went with 3 DL/2 LB/6 DB. They played three down linemen several other times.

SPECIAL TEAMS

Kickoff coverage: Suisham, Moore, Westbrook, Cartwright, D. Thomas, Tryon, Doughty, Blades, Wilson, Sellers and Alexander.

Kickoff return: Cooley, Cartwright, Betts, Moore, Alexander, Yoder, Sellers, Blades, Wilson, Horton and McIntosh.

Punt coverage: H. Smith/Suisham, Albright, Tryon, Sellers, Doughty, Horton, Yoder, Blades, Cartwright, Westbrook and Moore.

Punt return: Randle El, Smoot, Jarmon, Landry, Westbrook, Blades, Alexander, Tryon, Horton and Moore.

Analysis: Cooley assumed Fred Davis' spot on kickoff return -- on the front line of the formation after Davis didn't really block anybody against Detroit last week. ... Suisham's hang times on three punts were 4.41, 4.38 and 3.09 seconds. ... On the blocked point after attempt, the Bucs overloaded one side -- six defenders against four blockers. Todd Yoder blocked the player closest to the ball, but was unable to chip Ronde Barber, who came in unblocked to block the kick.

-- Ryan O'Halloran

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 6, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see JC swivel his hips in one direction while rolling his neck in the opposite direction.

Whether he wants to "try" to do it with his eyes shut or with his eyes open is up to him.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 6, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

and his mouth can remain open, as always...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 6, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell rode the short bus.

He's simply not smart enough to be a NFL QB, regardless of how strong an arm he has, or the stupid things he says.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 6, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse
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Chia Pet...he's not "smart"??? Are you...RACIST?!

Ok, I kid. Seriously, we have a bad combination of an O-line that doesn't provide much time and a QB that doesn't get through his progressions fast enough, with the bonus of the 2-4 wideouts not getting seperation..compounded by said QB not throwing the ball before the WR's make their breaks....oh, you get the picture.

We have O issues, period.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 6, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Repost

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 6, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Cris Carter basically tears the redskins a new one....ouch...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

most of you commenters recognized that we needed an O-lineman or 2 or 3.

You all recognize that we didn't get any, since Dockery only replaced Kendall.

So why are there sooooo many complaints about Campbell and Zorn and Portis.

Without an improved O-line the offense wasn't going to improve drastically, right?

So how about quitting your friggin crying and complaining like a bunch of overgrown babies and be football fans. Even better, be Redskins fans.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 6, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse
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Pabrian,

I've gotten on folks who booed the team after a win, but there isn't anything wrong with acknowledging what this team doesn't do well...and right now, that is plenty of things.

It is only 4 games in, so much can change -but I would have hoped that Campbell supposed improvement would give the offense more punch than it has (well, it is basically punch-LESS).

I'm all for JC staying the starter and seeing if he can turn things around...but this deal where you feel he needs ALL the parts around him to excel for him to be a good QB doesn't work for me. More than any other position, the QB should be improving the play of the team around him.

In other words, if we have to have everything strong just so he won't be weak, then maybe he is part of the problem.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 6, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 6, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see JC swivel his hips in one direction while rolling his neck in the opposite direction.

Whether he wants to "try" to do it with his eyes shut or with his eyes open is up to him.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 6, 2009 12:15 PM

He probably ought to focus on breathing through his eyelids as well.

Posted by: skinswest | October 6, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

It's a circular argument you made on the last thread 4th....
"Offense REFUSES to use their young players."
Partly, yes. The other part...the young players on offense still STINK. When they get on the field, they don't get open. Or JC is afraid to "thread the needle" when they're covered. Or JC doesn't have time in the pocket. Or the coaches play calling is ponderous.

There's no one single correct answer, because all of them have some truth.

It's like watching square holes being forced into rectangular pegs. Football shouldn't be rocket surgery or brain science. "It is what it is. They are where they're at right now, taking wins where they can get wins."

Posted by: 4-12 | October 6, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth played in 78.9% of plays for the media, and such as keeping track. The most of any DT who played....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 6, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

that offensive breakdown is just stupid...again Portis is gonna get just run into the ground, Betts and Mason need to get used more, same with Thomas / Davis.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

"The lions and the vikings don't resemble nearly even close to same situation, the fact you can even say that is redunkulous.

Posted by: zjfr2"

Right, but when Campbell finished the Giants game with 75% completion, 8.1 YPA, a 93+ QB rating, the team's only offensive TD, the only method of moving the ball down the field, and an equally as productive day as Eli Manning as the QB, I'm sure you were giving him even slightly modest praise.

But that's because the Giants' defense is just as bad as the Lions'. Right.

Please. Just admit it. You don't like Campbell, and anything less than near perfection will have you saying he sucks. It's fine. Nobody will think less of you for it.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I don't like him, I wholeheartedly admit it. Anything resembling consistent meaningful performances when the game is in doubt (not putting the game in doubt yourself with 4 turnovers) against legitimate competition is all I'm asking for. Look, I knew we were taking a knife to a gun fight week 1 and the chances of us winning weren't great, but we weren't even competitive and spin it all you want but 39 points against 3 of the worst defenses in the history of football is pitiful.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Campbell was a beast at auburn. Was brought in to throw the deep ball (which ironically he sucks at). The west coast offense + jason campbell = 9 pts against the rams, 14 pts against the lions, 16 pts. against the bucs.
I am sorry skins fans, Tod ball gives us the best chance to score some points.

Posted by: BMACattack | October 6, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Cris Carter basically tears the redskins a new one....ouch...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

National media is smells blood. That's the only reason I can think of that would make them pay so much attention to the state of the Redskins.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 6, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth played in 78.9% of plays for the media, and such as keeping track. The most of any DT who played....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 6, 2009 12:23 PM |

4th,

Don't post that then people won't be able to say how out of shape he is, and how he never plays.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Albert Haynesworth is not in peak physical condition, not even close, but perhaps he doesn't need to be?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 6, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I have yet to see them in a two TE set yet this season.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 6, 2009 12:03 PM

At least 3 plays in the Rams game, they lined up side by side on pass plays. Davis was wide open for a deep all vs. a LB at least once. And Soupy had pass protection but didn't read the coverage as usual an threw somewhere else for less yards. Yeah, that's Zorn's fault for a terrible play call.... Soup is the equivalent of Jerry Stackhouse when he was a wizard. Team down by 20, Stack cherry picking points at the end of the game so he averages 22 but they lose.

Posted by: Realness1 | October 6, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

But 4-12, wasn't you and everyone else saying Tryon stinks and Vinny made a mistake in drafting him and he should never see the field. While everyone was calling me a homer for believing in Tryon??

It's all about opportunity. DT11 was given more opportunity last year than this year. And JC17 doesn't know how to throw to a big target like Kelly as evidenced by his 2 INTs when trying to get it to MK12....-

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 6, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Titans are 0-4, and have looked dreadful the past two weeks. Was AH that much of a difference maker?
I for one am glad he's on the 'Skins D....taking up 2 or 3 blockers, and doing his thing.
Don't have any idea if I was glad/not glad when he signed...if I was not glad, then this is my mea 'cupla'

Posted by: 4-12 | October 6, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Cris Carter basically tears the redskins a new one....ouch...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse
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He may be right, but that guy is a d-bag. I've never seen a grown man cry and moan so much because he wasn't a first ballot hall of famer.

He could have learned something from Art Monk, who dealt with many snubs with grace.

On top of that, I don't think much of him as an analyst anyways. He made way too many ridiculous declarations on Inside the NFL over the last few years.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 6, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedskinWillie | October 6, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Cindy,

Have you considered giving Dan Steinberg a shot on RI?

I think he's a better fit for this blog. Jason Reid can go back to being the face of "Redskins Unrestricted."

Steinberg's blog doesn't generate much traffic, and it's a shame.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 6, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

The pukes fans are calling for Phillips to be fired and Romo to be benched, they are worse then we are when it comes to that kind of stuff.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Hunter Smith will hold and the TBD punter will kick. So who will be deactivated for this one? Davis? Mason? Mitchell (I hope not. He should be playing #12's spot.)?

Posted by: mack1 | October 6, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

4-12,

I like the addition of AH.

He's a plus, no doubt.

I'd just worry about his level of aerobic conditioning and the laxity of his joints, ligaments, and tendons.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 6, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Misery loves company?

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/cowboys/stories/100609dnspocowlishaw.3c51dc7.html

Posted by: RedskinWillie | October 6, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

what a fun read that was.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Al Davis called.
He said Snyder is "delusional, out of touch, can't evaluate talent, and no decent head coach will ever work for him."

Posted by: RedskinWillie | October 6, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

4th- We're talking about offense (Offense?! OFFENSE?!?).

Posted by: 4-12 | October 6, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Zorn said Henry looked good but they are not going to sing him.

They have a punter but can't say which one because they havn't signed him yet.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder is a scientologist, as is Vinny Cerrato.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 6, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

You guys arguing that the three 2nd rounders came out of college with concerns should be reminded that statement pretty much summarizes 98% of the players drafted. Everybody is concerned about somebody: this guy didn't run a fast 40 and this guy missed a philosophy class so he must have a poor work effort...

Coming into the NFL these guys were moldable, but they were thrown into a jello bowl of rookie coaches and has-beens (I'm talking strictly about the offensive coaches except Buges). No receiver is going to develop if they don't play and don't get the ball thrown their way. No player is going to develop if they are used in a way that is counter to their abilities. Guys like Gary Clark and Art Monk didn't walk onto the field being great. They were given a chance to develop and were provided excellent coaching. They made their mistakes, but that wasn't a reason to not throw them the ball or to have them ride the pine. The coaches understood that was part of the development process. This team stops throwing the ball to a guy the moment he makes a mistake. They bench a guy when they think he doesn't understand something instead of coaching him up. They won't use a rookie for anything more than a decoy. This is a prescription for mediocrity! How can players work out those problems if they don't get to play? Don't believe me? Where's Marko Mitchell? How can the guy tear it up in preseason and ride the pine in the regular season? How is he developing if he is sitting on the sidelines? This coach's philosophy is totally warped and the sooner he gets out of town, the sooner the healing can begin...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 6, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

On his radio show, Jim Zorn declined to say who finished atop the puntathon, but did say that the team would not be signing RB Chris Henry.

Posted by: CindyBoren | October 6, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

I thought they'd be signing Henry...interesting...thanks cindy/flound...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Red,

True thats why it wouldn't of mattered who we drafted, it could have been Jackson, Harvin, Manningham or the guy from Broncos and none of them would be doing crap for this team.

Hell even had we drafted a O-Linemen this past year they wouldn't play him.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

So the argument about Campbell's abilities has played itself out; no one is going to change his or her mind. Pretty much the same on the abilities of the new WRs.

Another way to think about it: What is Zorn's logic for using the lineups he's using? Does he think his approach gives him the best chance to keep his job next year? To get a job elsewhere? To satisfy his own ego? Is it loyalty to his starters (this was a criticism of Gibbs)?

What is Zorn's goal?

Posted by: asdf5 | October 6, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Coach Blache saying he doesn't like rookies is indicative of this team's thick skulled mentality.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 6, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I was reading about punters, Durant (Derrick) Brooks, etc. and I got curious. In the 2008 draft, AFTER Brooks was drafted by Vin Snyder, SEVEN offensive linemen were chosen in rounds 6 and 7 who are still on their teams. The Panthers, who have one of the best OLs in football, have two: Geoff Schwartz (pick 241) is their 2nd team RT; and Mackery Bernardeau (250) is their 2nd team C/LG. The others?
Pick 187 - John Sullivan, starting C - Vikings
195 - Donald Thomas, starting G - Dolphins
219 - Demetrius Bell, starting LT - Bills
230 - King Dunlap, 2nd team LT - Eagles
236 - Jamey Richard, 2nd team LG - Colts

I know the OL always, rightfully comes up as perhaps THE major failure of the Skins team/braintrust; but when I saw this it just really blew my mind.
They can't even draft OL in the 6th and 7th rounds!!! Those picks still too sexy for Vin Sndyer to waste on linemen?!?!

Someone with a croquet mallet should be in the "War Room" with them during the next draft.

Posted by: Goldenfried | October 6, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

My young ladies won a 13U tournament this weekend as the youngest team out there.

I tell you what it makes me which the Skins would play with that much desire sometimes.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

What is Zen's goal?

Posted by: asdf5 | October 6, 2009 12:51 PM

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To win football games.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 6, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Coach Blache saying he doesn't like rookies is indicative of this team's thick skulled mentality.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 6, 2009 12:51 PM |

He's starting to come around a little, Zorn needs to do the same thing.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

I was reading about punters...

Posted by: Goldenfried | October 6, 2009 12:52 PM

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Really?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 6, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

"Campbell was a beast at Auburn. Was brought in to throw the deep ball (which ironically he sucks at)."

He quarterbacked a great offense supported by Ronnie Brown, Cadillac Williams, Ben Grubbs, and Marcus McNeil: all future pro players.

Maybe Campbell looked great because college defenses don't have the 3-4 incredible cover guys NFL teams do.

In college, you throw to open guys. In the pros, you put the ball in a spot where a receiver can make a play.

Maybe St Joe had a Doug Williams flashback when he saw Campbell.

Who knows?

But right now, Campbell should be on a leash up until the iggles' game.

If the erratic offense continues, bench him.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Congrats flound, thats great! Good for you guys, thats awesome news....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

anyway, Goldenfried brings up an interesting point.

The FO thinks you can scrap together an offensive line with random parts and the great Joe Bugel will make it hum regardless.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 6, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Congrats flound, thats great! Good for you guys, thats awesome news....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 12:56 PM |

Thanks,

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

So potential hall of famers Carter and Harrison are criticizing JC? Hmm..I'd like to see JC apologists twist that one around. I was a JC supporter for a while, but that's no longer the case. Especially watching how inaccurate his deep throws are. Can't blame that on the O line. Sure his numbers probably would be better with a stronger O line, but he's just not that accurate and makes major blunders almost every game.

Posted by: ga8085 | October 6, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

We don't need to turn to outside analysts to see and learn what a dolt and disappointment the Redskins have trying to play QB for them. Anyone who follows the Skins will see it week in and week out, and the only apparent consistency in the Washington offensive scheme is Campbell looking clueless and executing poorly -- despite how much they've progressively dumbed things down and tried to "keep it simple, stupid" for him. What a waste of a roster spot!

Posted by: Vic1 | October 6, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

HOPE our D comes to play Sunday, I like what I see with the secondary rotation from last week.
Already see couple shanks on punts.

JC take all the risks you want, and use them wheels to keep carolina d honest. PLEASE don't go back into your shell, i've already seen enough of that. Sling em! and do it early and often.

Posted by: bhoang888 | October 6, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

He may be right, but that guy is a d-bag. I've never seen a grown man cry and moan so much because he wasn't a first ballot hall of famer.

He could have learned something from Art Monk, who dealt with many snubs with grace.

On top of that, I don't think much of him as an analyst anyways. He made way too many ridiculous declarations on Inside the NFL over the last few years.

Posted by: shaunsherman12


When did Cris Carter "cry and moan" about not being a first ballot HOF'er?

Could it be that you don't value his opinion becuase you see it as negative?

Agree with PortisStr8 about the national media and them all the sudden paying attention to the 'Skins. The national media just loves drama. It'll make their freakin' day to see Zorn axed. Then they could talk about how bad Snyder and the players suck.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 6, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Give the o-line excuse a rest. Good QBs can play even when the o-line is suspect. Last night, I saw a guy under duress throughout the game and get sacked 8x but he still performed. Rodgers has been sacked 20x already but he's managed to complete 60% of his passes, throw 6TDs against 1 pick and have a QB rating over 100. What's Campbell's excuse exactly?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 6, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I can't defend Campbell anymore even though I know alot of the dimwits who question his intelligence do so because he's Black. Heath Shuler, Gus Frerotte, and Patrick Ramsey's intelligence were never questioned like Campbell's. The truth is that Campbell like those other players is a mediocre QB, this doesn't make him stupid or unintelligent, he's just not a Franchise QB. You closet racists always take shots at his intelligence and think that people are so stupid we don't know what you're trying to hint or imply.

Posted by: moseley_brian | October 6, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Captin Check Down needs to be on the bench
I almost crap in my pants when he went deep to Moss it was like someone forced him to do that. He needs to have some balls
and a take a chance

Posted by: richardgovea | October 6, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

The analysis of the 2 wr's and TE from last year on this particular thread is right. There is no way all three of these player's (with physical talent)can be this BAD. this is zorn's doing his simple minded coaching, like the quote above about monk, clark and sanders(the last 2 had pro offense experience from the usfl) you must play them let them learn thru experience. even if each of them only run at this time certain plays well..put them in the game and let them at different points of the game run the plays they are most comfortable with. this is NOT rocket science. zorn was certainly not a perfect player his stats are very mediocre at best. maybe sherman smith can help him because zorn is in way over his head. There are other 1st and 2nd year receivers in the nfl doing well now..except on washington. I know the o-line is not solid yet but zorn should NOT call the plays anymore.

Posted by: wathu19 | October 6, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

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