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1981-82 vs. 2008-09 Redskins, A Comparison

During my usual morning reading today, I came across a USA Today article that opened by sorta-kinda comparing the possibility of the 2009 Redskins making a Super Bowl run with the 1982 Redskins that did so in a strike-shortened season.

The article points out the 1981 Redskins, like the 2008 version, finished 8-8. And that just as the 1982 Redskins entered the year with a second-year coach (Joe Gibbs) and a quarterback yet to inspire confidence in a fan base as being capable of leading a team to playoff success (Joe Theismann), so too will this year's Redskins with Jim Zorn and Jason Campbell.

The article wasn't saying it's likely this year's Redskins will make a run; it was merely drawing those two simple lines of comparison. (Though for the most optimistic of Redskins fans that is probably the best way to think about things going into the season.) But I decided to take a second look at the comparison to see just how much these two teams stack up, at least statistically on the surface.

This is as unscientific a comparison as you'll get, and by no means am I coming to any conclusions out of it. Just trying to see if/how they do compare.

A little check on pro-football-reference.com, and this is what I came up with:

1981 Points Scored: 347 points (21.7/g) -- 10th of 28 in NFL
2008 Points Scored: 265 points (16.6/g) -- 28th of 32 in NFL

1981 Points Allowed: 349 points (21.8/g) -- 16th of 28 in NFL
2008 Points Allowed: 296 points (18.5/g) -- 6th of 32 in NFL

1981 Takeaway/Giveaway: -2, 16th in NFL
2008 Takeaway/Giveaway: 0, 17th in NFL

Looking further into the comparison, you can see there is one difference that shows these two teams are going into Year 2 under much different circumstances.

Unlike the 2008 Redskins that started the season 6-2 before crashing to a 2-6 finish and .500 record, the 1981 version did it almost exactly opposite, opening the year losing six of their first seven and then winning seven of their final nine to finish the year 8-8.

The 1981 trajectory is much more comparable to Marty Schottenheimer's one year in Washington than it is Jim Zorn's first one, and indicates that this year's team doesn't have the momentum going into Year 2 that the 1982 team did.

The Theismann-Campbell comparisons are tougher to look at than just the offensive and defensive efficiency of the 1981 and 2008 teams.

Theismann was in his eighth season in 1981 and had started games in the previous five, while Campbell had started just 20 games entering last season. And the development of the passing game since Theismann's era obviously factors in.

I did two comparisons -- first, Theisman's numbers in 1977-78 when he started six and then 14 games, respectively, because I thought it could compare to Campbell's seven and 13 starts in 06-07. And then of course, a comparison between 1981 and 2008:

Theismann 77-78:
Games Started 20; Passes Cmp/Attempted 271/572; Percentage 47.4; Yards 3690; Yds/G 184.5; Yds/Cmp 13.6; TDs 20; INTs 27

Campbell 06-07:
Games Started 20; Passes Cmp/Attempted 360/624; Percentage 57.7; Yards 3997; Yds/G 199.9; Yds/Cmp 11.1; TDs 22; INTs 17

Theismann 1981 (4th year with 14 or more starts)
Games Started 16; Cmp/Att 293/496; Percentage 59.1; Yards 3568; Yds/Cmp 12.2; Yds/G 223.0; TDs 19; INTs 20; Rating 77.3

Campbell 2008 (2nd year with 13 or more starts)
Games Started 16; Cmp/Att 315/506; Percentage 62.3; Yards 3245; Yds/Cmp 10.3; Yds/G 202.8; TDs 13; INTs 6; Rating 84.3

Thoughts?

By Paul Tenorio  |  June 16, 2009; 2:00 PM ET
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Comments

"1. I bet he passed the field sobriety tests, just not the breathalyzer. .126 is drunk, but not exceedingly so. Makes for a dicey case for the prosecuters."

I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know how this works, but does that really make a difference? Surely all the prosecutors would have to do would be to say, "The law says anything over .08 is drunk. This guy was at .126 which is over 50% above the legal limit."

I realize that everyone processes alcohol differently, but as far as the law is concerned, isn't that pretty much open-and-shut?

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | June 16, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Will foobball season please start already

Posted by: cilp33 | June 16, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Very good comparisons. No negative spin.

From the looks of things Campbell is in good shape.

Posted by: scsf10 | June 16, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

One key difference in the two teams is the OL's ability, play and age. If this years OL can stay healthy then the Skins may have a chance to make a run.

OL is where the comparison should start and end.

Posted by: Curzon417 | June 16, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Comparing our team to others we're pretty mediocre but hope we have an improved offense. Comparing our FO to others it's inept. I hope to compare last year's team with a playoff team this year.

Comparing these lame topics, to topics of some substance, well ..... there's no comparison.

Posted by: 72Redskins | June 16, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Not sure you can make an apples-to-apples comparison passing statistics from 1981 and 2008 considering the evolution of offenses over the past 27 seasons. But it does show improvement for both of them from year 1 to year 2.

Posted by: skinsfan213 | June 16, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Also fails to take into account the awesomeness of RFK vs the Fed-Ex

Posted by: alex35332 | June 16, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

OK. lets compare Jim Zorn to Joe Gibbs. What??? OK. lets not.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 16, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

"1. I bet he passed the field sobriety tests, just not the breathalyzer. .126 is drunk, but not exceedingly so. Makes for a dicey case for the prosecuters."

I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know how this works, but does that really make a difference? Surely all the prosecutors would have to do would be to say, "The law says anything over .08 is drunk. This guy was at .126 which is over 50% above the legal limit."

I realize that everyone processes alcohol differently, but as far as the law is concerned, isn't that pretty much open-and-shut?

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | June 16, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

There's a legal presumption that over .08 is drunk; however, defense counsel tends to normally do a pretty good job of challenging the authenticity and accuracy of the tests in the cases that actually go to trial, which are very few and far between. An exceedingly high reading may lead to some doubt that the test correctly the the defendant's BAC without other corroborating evidence. So, those cases are not always just a slam dunk for the prosecutor.

Posted by: skinsfan213 | June 16, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

ARRRGH - WHAT A TIME TO GET BEEPED...
___________________________________________
Dude - you come out throwing trash in your prissy little outfit and expect not to get any dirt on you?!

Did the other kids pick on you when you did your tap dance in show and tell? Perhaps the doilies you were knitting weren't butch enough...

Remember, you started this - I was just turning you on to a classic american comedian and then you proceed to denegrate the entire genre. You could have stopped at "not my cup of tea" (do you drink the caffeinated kind, btw? or is that too strong for you?). But you thought you'd be cute and basically insult every american comedian who was influenced by Laurel & Hardy over Buster Keaton.

It figures you're crying now like Buck last night. However, something tells me Buck enjoyed his experience more than either of us are enjoying this.

Here's a question since you're not into crass humor, fart jokes, foul language (wotz with the expletives, 72??!! are you stooping to our level?!) - if you're not into those things... What are you doing on a football blog?!

Dude - a REDSKIN footblog!!?? Hoggettes?! "Lighten Up, Sandy Baby"?! what PLANET are you ON?!

BTW, way to blast me with the scintillating repartee. Is that the best you got? really?

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 16, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 16, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

alex35332:
What I hate about FedEX and the current era is we have O, NO home field advantage at all. Back in the day teams feared coming into RFK and our fans were a legite 12th man. Now , I don't know what's going on, example, last years Steelers game which was an insult.

Posted by: 72Redskins | June 16, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I think you missed the point somewhere. the guys family accepted the punishment and plea and wanted the pay out. the family of the deceased showed leniency and the prosecution agreed to let the family of the deceased have it that way. A few key things happened right off the bat. Stallworth showed he was really remorseful from the night it happened.

Comparing this to Vick who lied to a grand jury and lied to police and tried to cover it up is another whole ball of wax. If Stallworth would have done things in the defensive way...He would be facing 15 years. there is a difference...and if the family of the deceased wants to forgive the accident for money ..thats their choice.

Bottom line...if you want to compare the 2...Vick lied..tried to cover up and did his crimes intentionally. Stallworth's was an accident and he really showed remorse from that monet on. His case was accidental. Huge difference.

Posted by: leevi98 | June 16, 2009 2:12 PM

The point is the penal system is F'd up.

Stallworth has been talking to his lawyer since 5 mins after the accident. You don't think he was coached up by his lawyer during this whole time?

Just because the family settled should not be considered. I know some old people where their kids always talk about them passing away so they can sell the house for a lot of money instead of going out and earning their keeps. What should be considered is he was already in the NFL Substance abuse program and has a prior DUI (I believe).

Death is a serious issue and appears the judge/prosecuter/lawyer/Victim's family/and Stallworth have not taken it seriously..............

It seems like the family went and played the lottery and won....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 16, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Compare Santana Moss, ARE and (pick your third receiver on current team) vs. Art Monk, Charlie Brown, Alvin Garrett (or Virgil Seay). Hmmmm.

Oh and let's not even go there with the whole original Hogs vs. this year's Dirtbags.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | June 16, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

We should make a run at brandon marshall. The broncos just moved to a 3-4, and im sure they would give us marshall for golston/montgomery, and 2nd rounder this year and a 3rd next year. we spent a 2nd on kelly and thomas, and marshall is more than we are hoping kelly develops into, and we can get him a bit cheaper because he demanded a trade and is coming off injury. He's one of the most dominant recievers in the game, and he would take JC over the top. i would jump on this deal if i were vinny, hes only 25 and still learning the game, yet he still finished 3rd in the league in catches and had games of 18, 9, 10, 11 receptions. He will take our offense over the top, he can catch the ball in any part of the field, and he cant be stopped when he's remotely on his game.

Posted by: DaFunBunch | June 16, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

i would even give them golston and a 1st, he's a reciever where you can just throw it up and he will get it 95% of the time. Red Zone issues solved, stack the box, solved, small recievers, he's 6'4, and he's from central florida so he will fit right in with our miami vice crew

Posted by: DaFunBunch | June 16, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Very good comparison.... When does training camp start again??? I can't wait!!

Go Skins!!!

Posted by: punchdaclock | June 16, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I never seen Dik this sour....


Real men use expletives. Lound and often.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 16, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

No offense, but it's a pretty shallow comparison. You'd really need to look position by position to see which can be expected to improve, which can be expected to decline, if any can unexpectedly shine, if others in the last year were overachieving/underachieving, etc. It's tough to take much more from this than the wild hopes of replicating the glory years.

Posted by: psps23 | June 16, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I do remember this story coming out when Marty was entering year two.

Hey - I like the parallels. It's even more similar in that Marty had already lost it other places... Like JG, this is Zorny's first run at HC.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 16, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

uh

trying to catch the beat

nuh uh uh

trying to catch the beat

na na now thra thra throw ya motherlovin hands in da ayeeer

Posted by: TheTruth11 | June 16, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Srry, Red - don't mean to be a downer. I'll cheer up now...

And I'll stay off it as long as Prudence does.

Here's a question on point: What O-Line situation was the '81 team looking at? What kind of moves did they make or did they even need to?

While I do have very fond memories of that time, I'm not as versed in the team-building as many are.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 16, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

DikShuttle WOW man. You all over Vick as if he was the one that was driving drunk and took a human life. This is a F up world we live in where a dog life seems more important than a human being.

Posted by: jm220 | June 16, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Hey - I like the parallels. It's even more similar in that Marty had already lost it other places... Like JG, this is Zorny's first run at HC.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 16, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Also like Gibbs, Zorn is widely accepted as Mr. NiceGuy.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 16, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Calm down littledik you might blow what little you've got.Take it easy, all this for a fat piece of trash?

Posted by: 72Redskins | June 16, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

"1. I bet he passed the field sobriety tests, just not the breathalyzer. .126 is drunk, but not exceedingly so. Makes for a dicey case for the prosecuters." - Unknown

Tuh, not all the time.

I know someone who got a .11 and they were nailed to the wall.

They were in Fairfax County also, THE second worst county in the friggin' DMV when it comes to the law.

1. PG County
2. DC
3. PW County

Posted by: RedDMV | June 16, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

"na na now thra thra throw ya motherlovin hands in da ayeeer"

truth is having a seizure.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 16, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

one huge difference...i do not think the 2009 O line is quite the same as the hogs!

Posted by: leevi98 | June 16, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

My b. That shoulda went:

1. DC
2. Fairfax County
3. Prince Georges County
4. Prince William County
5. Arlington County

Posted by: RedDMV | June 16, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

SkinsFan - well said; also, if you get a drunk driving case to a jury, how many of a jury of your peers are going to think "that could have been me, coming home from ... happy hour, Bill's bachelor Party, Suzie's baby shower", whatever...and cut the driver some slack.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 16, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Red - by "worst", you mean sticking to the letter of the law with no regards for circusmatances, and doing everything you can to stick it to the arrested party?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 16, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

think you missed the point somewhere. the guys family accepted the punishment and plea and wanted the pay out. the family of the deceased showed leniency and the prosecution agreed to let the family of the deceased have it that way. A few key things happened right off the bat. Stallworth showed he was really remorseful from the night it happened.

Comparing this to Vick who lied to a grand jury and lied to police and tried to cover it up is another whole ball of wax. If Stallworth would have done things in the defensive way...He would be facing 15 years. there is a difference...and if the family of the deceased wants to forgive the accident for money ..thats their choice.

Bottom line...if you want to compare the 2...Vick lied..tried to cover up and did his crimes intentionally. Stallworth's was an accident and he really showed remorse from that monet on. His case was accidental. Huge difference.

Posted by: leevi98 | June 16, 2009 2:12 PM

The point is the penal system is F'd up.

Stallworth has been talking to his lawyer since 5 mins after the accident. You don't think he was coached up by his lawyer during this whole time?

Just because the family settled should not be considered. I know some old people where their kids always talk about them passing away so they can sell the house for a lot of money instead of going out and earning their keeps. What should be considered is he was already in the NFL Substance abuse program and has a prior DUI (I believe).

Death is a serious issue and appears the judge/prosecuter/lawyer/Victim's family/and Stallworth have not taken it seriously..............

It seems like the family went and played the lottery and won....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 16, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

you really didn't read my post at all did you?

Posted by: leevi98 | June 16, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Can someone please give Truth his daily does of ritalin.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 16, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Thank you to the Post for replacing Jason LaCanfora. I never bashed him or commented but I did feel like he was always negative and overly critical for someone who had no clue about the in's and out's of pro football. He always regurgitated previous posts and most were generelly uninteresting.
I'm very happy with the current group who have been posting topics here recently and have been directing friends and family to check out the blog now that it is more interesting and unbiased.
Good post today on a slow week and keep up the good work.

Posted by: saltine182 | June 16, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Red - by "worst", you mean sticking to the letter of the law with no regards for circusmatances, and doing everything you can to stick it to the arrested party?


Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 16, 2009 2:49 PM

Yes indeed. And those 5 listed are the worst. I've had some interesting experiences with all five except Alexandria, the city I live in.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 16, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Stallworth's was an accident and he really showed remorse from that monet on.

Posted by: leevi98 | June 16, 2009 2:12 PM

Monet? It's easy to be remorseful when you're staring at a French impressionist.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 16, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I see the Post doesn't do drug testing

Posted by: nativedc | June 16, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

You are all wrong. We should go for the other Broncos receiver, Eddie Royal. He will fit the mold of the big, wide, posession receiver that we sorely need.

That post was my turning point.

Posted by: saltine182 | June 16, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

YEs, I read your post Leevi. And I made my point as far as puishment that was accepted by the family. (When I thought it was the judge who was the deciderer)....

Stallworth Already Is In Custody
Posted by Mike Florio on June 16, 2009, 2:35 p.m.
A press release issued by the Miami-Dade prosecutor states that Browns receiver Donte’ Stallworth already has been taken into custody, and that his 30-day sentence resulting from a guilty plea to DUI manslaughter already has commenced.

“Every case that we prosecute, especially those that involve the death of a human being, is closely scrutinized to ensure that a fair and just resolution is reached for all parties,” said prosecutor Katherine Fernandez Rundle. “We have specifically looked at the unique facts involved with this charge, Mr. Stallworth’s excellent pre-incident history of community service, abundant references that attest to his good character, his lack of any traffic violations or criminal convictions, his full and complete post-incident cooperation with law enforcement, and his willingness to accept complete responsibility for his actions.

“For all of these reasons, a just resolution of this case has been reached,” Ms. Rundle added. “The terms of the plea have been agreed upon between the State Attorney’s office and the police, and has been extended with the full endorsement and consent of the Reyes family, who believe that this plea and its timing are in the best interest of their 15-year-old daughter, the sole remaining child of Mario Reyes. Although no sentence can ever restore Mr. Reyes to his family, the provisions of this plea will provide closure to them and appropriate punishment for Mr. Stallworth’s conduct and the effects of his actions that night.”

In addition to the prison term, two years of house arrest, and eight years of probation, Stallworth’s sentence includes the following terms: a $2,500 donation to Mothers Against Drunk Driving; a $2,500 donation to Parents of Murdered Children; and a lifetime forfeiture of his driver’s license.

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 16, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

ya can't deny the truth in

"uh"

"nuh, uh huh"

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 16, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Can someone please give Truth his daily does of ritalin.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 16, 2009

Concerta works better.

Posted by: periculum | June 16, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Paul, you should know momentum means jack squat from one season to the next. How much momentum did we generate after winning all those games at the end of the year (twice) to make the playoffs?

Every year is different, every situation is different. The complexion of the entire league is different now. Apples and oranges.

And why drag Marty into it? I swear people think just because the team got on a hot streak he was going to take us all the way the next year. It should be pretty clear by now how Schotty's routine goes; his body of work speaks for itself.

Thanks for posting something new, though.

Posted by: McMetal | June 16, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

In addition to the prison term, two years of house arrest, and eight years of probation, Stallworth’s sentence includes the following terms: a $2,500 donation to Mothers Against Drunk Driving; a $2,500 donation to Parents of Murdered Children; and a lifetime forfeiture of his driver’s license.

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 16, 2009 2:57 PM |

I was fine with everything until I read $2,500. Huh? A four digit donation? And, it's tax deductible at that so more like $1,250 out of Stallworth's pocket.

Where I'm coming out is that if the Reyes family has signed off on this plea, then justice has been served.

And does anyone else recall that when Stallworth was coming out of college Snyder was doing everything in his power to trade up to take him? Instead, Skins traded down twice and grabbed Patrick Ramsey.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 16, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

jm220 - I never said it was. And my tirade is directed at Lois72 over there. Different topic.

However, what I am pointing out was, one is a wanton crime by a practicing criminal. The other is an accidental crime never under contention.

I'll ask you - what's worse a serious crime done by accident or a less serious crime done over and over again on purpose?

From a sentencing viewpoint you'll find the latter is usually more serious. It shows sociopathy.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 16, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I think there is a stronger parallel between the 08 Skins and the 78 Skins. Both had 1st year coaches (Pardee in 78), both teams started strong (6-2), and both teams faded in the second half. Both teams also had fairly young quarterbacks who had shown promise, but left many fans doubting. The good news for the 78 Skins is that they followed with a 10-6 record and were a tie-breaker away from making the playoffs (Roger Staubach's greatest comeback killed us). I would be happy with 10-6 next year, and Tony Romo is no Roger Staubach.

Posted by: vikley2002 | June 16, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Stallworth f'n walked.

Like I said, I know someone who had a .11, hit the car in front of them (coincidentally, they knew the person), no injuries. Police came onto the scene, got their report, one officer wanted to be a bit more investigative and wants to give the field sobriety test and breathalyzer, person blows a .11 and spends the night in jail.

What happened next? A total of 3,000 grand spent in court cost, fines, and lawyer fees. A revocation of the license for one year, and now has the DUI on their driving record forever.

When you hear about guys like Stallworth and their uncanny ability to slither out of legal matters, you start to understand the disdain for athletes, for real.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 16, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

DikShuttle I respect your view. However, in my book killing a dog (remember it was his dogs so their death effected no one but him) can never be on the same level as a person being killed. (now his child will grow up without a father)Vick should have paid for what he did but that was way over too much for a dog.

Posted by: jm220 | June 16, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Hold up, WTF!?!?!?!

Fines are tax deductible? As in court fines?

Posted by: RedDMV | June 16, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

If you did drug testing in DC. 15-20% of the locals would be out of work..

Posted by: alex35332 | June 16, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

I get the issue from the Reyes family perspective. They get $$. Its the ONLY thing they can get that holds any value, unless you count an "I'm sorry".

What this shows is that money does buy justice.

The Reyes family had an incentive to reject cooperating with a harsher prosecution. It was in their own best interests to get as much money as possible. No doubt if Stallworth went to prison for a decade, by the time a civil lawsuit got resolved, all the $$$ Stallworth had would have gone to atty fees and the Reyes family gets nothing.

Instead, Stallworth goes back to work making big $$$ and there IS money for the Reyes family.

I completely get what happened ... its very clear.

and fwiw, doesn't the lifetime forfeiture of a drivers license seem rather absurd?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 16, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

If you did drug testing in DC. 15-20% of the locals would be out of work..

Posted by: alex35332

lol

Posted by: jm220 | June 16, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Gertrude72 -

Penis jokes?! That's what you bring after your namby-pamby soap box oration? Penis jokes?

You'll never be creative enough to address even a portion of the jibes I've heard over the years. I'll let you know when you get close to funny. or even clever. You're not. My name is Dik, SJK... you just are.

I'm still lookin' on the NY Times bestseller list for your book, SJKhole...

Do yourself a favor, though - actually WATCH the movie. Even a titewad like you may like it...

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 16, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

SkinsFan - well said; also, if you get a drunk driving case to a jury, how many of a jury of your peers are going to think "that could have been me, coming home from ... happy hour, Bill's bachelor Party, Suzie's baby shower", whatever...and cut the driver some slack.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 16, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

That's why jury selection is critical for both sides. The prosecution in a DWI case wants a bunch of MADD mothers, whereas defense counsel wants a bunch of slacker college frat boys. Normally a jury is somewhere in the middle. BTW, I'm a Skins fan in Texas also. One of the few and the proud.

Posted by: skinsfan213 | June 16, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Where I'm coming out is that if the Reyes family has signed off on this plea, then justice has been served.

..................

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 16, 2009 3:07 PM

I wonder how much say his 15 yr old daughter had in signing off? Because at 15, I doubt monry matters vs. having her father here. And whoever advised his family told them this is a win-win for everybody, by placing such a high value on the future potential earnings of Stallworth over the consequences of living life.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 16, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Jm,
I was not joking there was a report last week 10% of DC uses Coke and 15% smokes pot.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 16, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Oh that is just crazy Alex.

Posted by: jm220 | June 16, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you, JM220. Person > animal every time.

The penalties are not based just upon the outcome of the event. It wasn't one dog. It was lots of dogs. It wasn't one crime - it was a plethora of crimes. It wasn't one state...

If Vick goes drinking and runs over a dog, we don't have this discussion.

If Stallworth goes out and murders a kid with his bare hands and takes the body over state lines... he never leaves prison.

Apples to apples, ok?

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 16, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

I think those numbers are too low Alex....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 16, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Where I'm coming out is that if the Reyes family has signed off on this plea, then justice has been served.

..................

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 16, 2009 3:07 PM

Justice isn't solely about revenge for the victim (or the immediate family of the victim). It's also about deterrence and protection for the rest of society.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | June 16, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

The 1981 Redskins had the nascent best offensive line in football. The DL featured guys like Manley, Perry Brooks, Dave Butz. LB's were fair to middlin. Cover corners excellent.

The BIG IFS: If Orapko and Wilson pan out. Rob Jackson. Plus a healthier Robert Thomas over Rocky McIntosh ... cover corners (this year) appear to be okay. Safety strong. DL has Haynesworth, Griffin and Carter, then youth in Jackson, Montgomery, Golston, and Alexander.
Defensively, plus coordinator, they match up
pretty well with the 1982 team.

BIG IFS: In 1981-1982: Jacoby and Starke at tackles with May, Grimm HOF, Bostic at guards and center. Daryl Grant like Lorenzo Alexander playing tackle and positions along the OL. Art Monk HOF, Charley Brown, Don Warren, Joe Washington, Riggins HOF. Campbell is better than Theismann by any gauge. But the 82 team's mix
of youth and veterans easily surpasses the offering for 2009 at almost every single position except tight end where we find Cooley and possibly Davis.

BIG IFS: Mark Mosely place kicker. He won the MVP in the strike shortened season. 2008 we find Suisham coming back from a terrible year with some competition from Dave Rayner? 1982 team was very luck in this regard.

Posted by: periculum | June 16, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Thank you for the dose of reality, Peri!

That's what I was worried about. I didn't remember if we'd built that OLine before 82 or just that year.

They out-weighed the league by like 100lbs.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 16, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I think those numbers are too low Alex....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 16, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

It was data collected via survey of persons I think 12-dead not sure.

So yes I always say when the gov does a survey of illegal activity, take that number and double it.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 16, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Fines are tax deductible? As in court fines?

Posted by: RedDMV | June 16, 2009 3:14 PM |

No, not court fines. But the donations he made to charities weren't fines.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 16, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

"I was not joking there was a report last week 10% of DC uses Coke and 15% smokes pot.

Posted by: alex35332"

more like 40% coke and 50-60% marijuana

Posted by: TheTruth11 | June 16, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Gertrude? I almost wanted to laugh

Hey man give it a rest come on this is pretty lame.

I'm not watching any movie, it's not my cup of tea, (didn't think I'd say that again did you?), my taste for comedy: Moms Mabely, Redd Foxx, Bill Cosby, Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy, and Chris Rock, those are my "classic American comedians", obviously more talented and on another level than that sad excuse for a human being that was on HBO last night.

Posted by: 72Redskins | June 16, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

One key difference in the two teams is the OL's ability, play and age. If this years OL can stay healthy then the Skins may have a chance to make a run.

OL is where the comparison should start and end.

Posted by: Curzon417 | June 16, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

*******************************

Agreed.

The 1982 Skins had what would become the most celebrated OL in history.

I will wager that at least 3 of the OL starting opening day will not be here in 3 years.

Without an OL, I don't care if you're Jim Brown - you ain't going nowhere....

Posted by: oldnova | June 16, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

DON'T BODY YOURSELF RED

Posted by: TheTruth11 | June 16, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how much say his 15 yr old daughter had in signing off? Because at 15, I doubt monry matters vs. having her father here. And whoever advised his family told them this is a win-win for everybody, by placing such a high value on the future potential earnings of Stallworth over the consequences of living life.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 16, 2009 3:19 PM

Father's not going to be there regardless of how long Stallworth spends in jail. So, daughter and other survivors can have a financially secure future, or not. The death was tragic and unjust and cannot be undone, but isn't it worthwhile to mitigate some of the loss that the family has suffered?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 16, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

more like 40% coke and 50-60% marijuana

Posted by: TheTruth11 | June 16, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Are you talking about the RI board or Washington DC? With the RI board you may be onto something :) but now that the Republicans are in the minority again pot use is higher then coke use.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 16, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I'm that adam ant song, don't drink, don't smoke, don't snort for that matter either..........

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 16, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Justice isn't solely about revenge for the victim (or the immediate family of the victim). It's also about deterrence and protection for the rest of society.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | June 16, 2009 3:22 PM

You're right. But the guy is on house arrest and probation and will never have a license to drive again. That should be deterrence and protection for the rest of society.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 16, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Deterrence does not work when it comes to crimes of stupidity.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 16, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Legalize Marijuana!

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 16, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

So... Are we to conclude that Zorn is no Gibbs, Campbell is no Theisman, and the defense is better than it was under Gibbs? I think we could have drawn these conclusions ourselves.

Frankly, I think the Redskins have a wealth of talent on the defensive side of the football and a pretty darn good defensive coordinator in Greg Blache. Just as frankly, I think the Redskins have an average QB, a stellar running back, a suspect receiving corps, an aging suspect offensive line, and a coach that became conservative and predictable down the stretch last year. I don't think these are the qualities of a Super Bowl team. I really hope things change this season, but the real proof is in December. Gibbs' teams won in December, which showed how they developed team work and improved their skills as the season wore on. If Zorn can capture that magic, and keep guys out of the training room, then maybe there's a chance to make a run at the playoffs. Barring a strike-shortened season and the return of Babe Laufenberg, I don't see the Super Bowl happening. I watch in the hope that they prove me wrong.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 16, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

I think Redd Foxx woulda liked Artie Lang a lot.

And no, not obviously on another level. A different type of humor in most instances. But I've seen good and bad work from everyone on that list.

You gotta remember though - I worked for Blowfly! ;-]

Alright ladies - I've dumped enough on the internet today. See - I go away for 4 days and this is what happens.

Sorry Jack's Kids

...maps...

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 16, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Deterrence does not work when it comes to crimes of stupidity.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 16, 2009 3:47 PM

So stupid people need to be kept in jail? That would explain where some of the posters went.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 16, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Stallworth's was an accident and he really showed remorse from that monet on.

Posted by: leevi98 | June 16, 2009 2:12 PM

Monet? It's easy to be remorseful when you're staring at a French impressionist.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 16, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Ok Talent so i had a typo...what's that got to do with anything. Sure does not add anything solid to the discussion other than I had a typo..

Posted by: leevi98 | June 16, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

FREE FLOUNDER21!

Posted by: mack1 | June 16, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I think comparing two teams in 2 different eras before FA with one with a superbowl ring and back to back appearences in a SB to one who has done nothing is just a mute point completely. the point is pretty clear.

Posted by: leevi98 | June 16, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, where did flound get to?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 16, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Can we trade for Brandon Marshall? Please.

Posted by: brian58 | June 16, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Great comparison. Great research.
So when does the players strike begin?
(For those too young to recall, 7 games were wiped out in 1982 due to a players strike.)

Posted by: jeremybozz | June 16, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I would like to compare this washington redskins team to the '34, '46, '56, '66, '78, '00, '01 as well.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 16, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

leevi98... following "monet" with "mute point" doesn't exactly restore confidence in your credibilty. It's a "moot" point.

Thanks for your insights though...

Posted by: outsider6 | June 16, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

the proper word is, "mute"....its a "mute point"....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 16, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Ok Talent so i had a typo...what's that got to do with anything. Sure does not add anything solid to the discussion other than I had a typo..

Posted by: leevi98 | June 16, 2009 3:56 PM |

Everyone has typos, but few invoke a French Impressionist. Those stand out.

And since when do posts up here have to add to the convo? Blog would shut down if posts had to add to the discussion.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 16, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Can we trade for Brandon Marshall? Please.

Posted by: brian58 | June 16, 2009 4:05 PM |

This has been answered already. The answer was "no." On appeal, the ruling stands. The answer is still "no"

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 16, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

No, if it was a mute point, then it would be a quiet or silent point, whereas a moot point is a point that is now pointless.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 16, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

The only chance the comparison becomes valid is if the 2008 draft class like the 1981 draft class goes on to become one of the best in team history.

One forgets that it is not the 8-8 record following up on 6-10 in 1980 that was important about Gibbs and the Redskins, but rather that young players such as May, Grimm, Manley, Grant, Didier, Jacoby and Bostic were about to emerge onto the NFL scene and last for the better part of a decade.

Posted by: leopard09 | June 16, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Can we trade for Brandon Marshall? Please.

Posted by: brian58 | June 16, 2009 4:05 PM |

This has been answered already. The answer was "no." On appeal, the ruling stands. The answer is still "no"

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 16, 2009 4:16 PM |

The RI Supreme Court upholds the ruling of the lower court. Hell, no

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 16, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

mute and moot are neither homonyms nor homophones

at least here are hear are homophones

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 16, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

damnable typos

here and hear

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 16, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

"Drink somethin', smoke somethin', even pop a pill to this..."

Posted by: RedDMV | June 16, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Have we heard from the Justice League on the issue of Brandon Marshall?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 16, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

And since when do posts up here have to add to the convo? Blog would shut down if posts had to add to the discussion.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 16, 2009 4:12 PM

Truer words...

Posted by: RedDMV | June 16, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

My all-time Skins team (with a few slots open for discussion). Only criteria is I had to have seen them play.

WRs: Charley Taylor, Art Monk (now that was easy)
QB: SJ9
RB: Riggins, Larry Brown (Portis is in the hunt)
TE: Jerry Smith (deserves a real shot at the HOF)
LT: Samuels (Lachey?)
LG: Grimm
C: Hauss
RG: ??? help me here!!!
RT: Jacoby (Lachey, Samuels, Jake, who do you leave out?)

DEs: Manley and Mann
DTs: Butz and ??? (hopefully Albert!)
LBs: Hanburger, Fletcher and ???
CBs: Green and Mike Bass (cuz he was nice to my Mom)
Safeties: Houston and ST21

OK, I'm expecting lots of names to come on up. From Diron Talbert to Wilbur Marshall to Ken Harvey to Pat Fischer to Champ Bailey. I know two free safeties and no SS. No Paul Krause or Sam Huff or Bobby Mitchell.

Have at it folks.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 16, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know where I can get a Ralph Lauren Polo shirt from around here?

Posted by: RedDMV | June 16, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

why not Huff at Linebacker? Oh right, you had to see them play?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 16, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Have we heard from the Justice League on the issue of Brandon Marshall?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 16, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse


Well I dropped an email to them via their FB page. And got this back.

" We would like to thank you for you questions regarding Brandon Marshall. We here at the Justice League took a vote and feel that its unrealistic for the Washington Redskins to accomplish a trade and to sign Marshall to a contract that would keep them under the NFL cap. Thank you for your concern on these matters, and if you have any other information regarding issues of super-villans trying to take over the world or NFL moves feel free to contact us again.
Love,
Aquaman"

Posted by: alex35332 | June 16, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV
My guess would be their store....

Ralph Lauren
1245 Wisconsin Avenue, N.W.
Washington, DC 20007
202.965.0905


Posted by: alex35332 | June 16, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

"No, if it was a mute point, then it would be a quiet or silent point, whereas a moot point is a point that is now pointless.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston"

Depends on what you mean by "quiet or silent." Some may take that to mean 'under the radar', or a hidden point. I think he was actually trying to say that his point literally is unable to make noise. The question then becomes the age-old dilemma, 'if a made point is unable to make noise, does it actually make a point'?

Philosophers have been adding to the discussion of that solution, literally, for the last 22 minutes.

Posted by: psps23 | June 16, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

trade for b.marshall... now!!! send randle el and d. thomas and a 4th round pick for mashall!!!

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | June 16, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Damn, Aquaman was working the chat line again today; dude must have fallen out of favor, that's like two weeks in a row.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 16, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

I saw Huff play, but it was pretty late in his career, so I don't think he was that great. Fletcher has only been here 2 years ... kind of a stretch, though I love the way he plays.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 16, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I hope whoever posted this(looks like Paul)is the new lead for RI... or is at least a featured contributor along side Cindy and Jason R.

This is EXACTLY the type of post I like to read, especially in the off season when there is little real news to talk about.

No negative spin, no pretentious blabber about the Ravens front office, just reasonable opinion/curiosity supported by actual FACTS.

Well done. More please!

Posted by: jgarrisn | June 16, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Why not legalize marijuana? Is it really any worse than alcohol?

I think the defense is going to be alright, I just want the offense to stop the constant bogging down in the redzone, a more potent passing game, sustaining drives in the 4th quarter, not have to rely on field goals so much, just score MORE POINTS and give us fans some EXCITEMENT!!, and make the PLAYOFFS!!

Posted by: 72Redskins | June 16, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I guess the cap situation would prevent any such trade. but the danny must be plotting with next year's draft picks burning a hole in his pocket and an unhappy pro bowl receiver on a team we frequently trade with.

Posted by: brian58 | June 16, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Well, what if that point is made in the woods, where no one can hear it?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 16, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I would never think on a sports blog, posters would correct grammer of other posters. I am the worstest when it comes to grammer typing.

I find it funny, though, when a poster has been corrected and are mad they were corrected and an argument commences, irregardless how miniscule it is.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 16, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I still really like LaVar, I know some of you do not but when he was good he was great.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 16, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Today's line ain't the Hogs, and Portis ain't no Riggins.

Today's opponents have an easier defensive game plan - Blitz, stuff Portis & cover Moss & Cooley. The 1981 team had Theismann, who could run, Riggins with speedy backups, the Smurfs, Monk, two receiving TE's and all purpose Giaquinto. Someone was always open.

Posted by: dcdash | June 16, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I say we stay away from Marshall, he seems to have a problem with keeping his hands off of women. Lets stay away from Burress also, he seems to have all sorts of problems, one having good sense.

Posted by: 72Redskins | June 16, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I really hope D. Thomas shows up big next year finally putting to rest the reciever talk. Wouldn't it be grand if we finally DRAFTED a good reciever, instead of overpaying for a FA.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 16, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

JohnDinHouston--Did you get laid off? Or a promotion? I've never seen you so loqacious up here as you've been today. Two margaritas at lunch?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 16, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

LaVar as on OLB. Deserves consideration Better than Harvey? And Monte Coleman gets some love here, also.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 16, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

The most important difference between then and now is the attitude of fans and owners. Back then both were patient enough and loyal enough to stick with a potentially good QB and coach to see them reach a certain level of success. Today Campbell is being compared to every successful QB close to his age or younger who has one good season. Back then you did not have Big Bens, Matt Ryans and Joe Flacco's because they would have been on the bench learning the game. Remember for every Big Ben, Tom Brady or Dan Marino there are Vince Youngs, Carson Palmers and Phil Simms who are QB's that have some success but are up and down a couple of years along the way. JC will go the route of Phil Simms but only if he is given the chance. In todays NFL you have about two season starting to become an elite QB or you are then considered a bust. I guess this will be campbells elite or bust year for fans.

Posted by: ged0386 | June 16, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

JM, i gotta agree w/ Dirk et al on the crime and punishment issue. Intent does indeed carry mucho weight in legal matters. In some cases, that's a sticky wicket asking judges/juries to read the mind of the defendant - did they MEAN to kill the person w/ whom they were fighting, (1st degree murder) for ex., or was the death an accident that happened as a result of their illegal behavior (voluntary manslaughter). However, in this case, it's clear that Stallworth did not MEAN (intend) to hurt anyone, even if the death was a direct result of his criminal behavior.

Dirk makes a good point - while no one would argue that a human life is less, or even AS valuable as a human one, Stallworth never MEANT (intended) to kill anyone, while Vick was acting with full foresight and knowledge that his actions were illegal and would cause pain, suffering and death upon his victims. There's also the issue of animal abuse and its association with violence directed at people. That association is not codified in any laws (of which I'm aware anyway), but judges have cited it in imposing strict sentences to those convicted of animal abuse.

Finally, as someone mentioned earlier, this (Stallworth's) case highlights the role of wealth in our justice system. The range of competency among defense lawyers is HUGE, and guess which end of the wealth spectrum the GOOD ones serve. :-/

As to this comparison, beating a dead horse, but how could the #1 strength of the '81 Skins, their O-line, and the #1 weakness of the '08 Skins, again, their OL, not be part of the comparison?

Posted by: hogmeister | June 16, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1

Monte has had a better career than LaVar both in stats and longevity. Lavar can be better compared to Harvey or Wilbor Marshall and their tenures with the skins.

Posted by: ged0386 | June 16, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

oops, meant to say, "...while no one would argue a dog's life is more, or even AS valuable as a human one,..." sorry, mb i need some pot.. .or coke?

Posted by: hogmeister | June 16, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

thoughts...

jason campbell sucks.

Posted by: Scofield | June 16, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

It's my opinion that Arrington's talent was wasted here and he didn't come anywhere close to realizing his full potential. Bad Coaching, then and to some degree I feel, bad coaching now. Seems like coaches/co-ordinators want a player to fit "their" mold, and system, instead of adapting systems and styles to a player's talents and strenghts.

Posted by: 72Redskins | June 16, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

So who do you put onto the list as the all time OLB with Hanburger? Marshall (who was a force in his brief time here). LaVar, who had some big moments and a few good years, or Coleman, who was here 15 years or so and played at a consistently solid level -- though no Pro Bowls.

I'm leaning towards Monte -- when a guy locks down a spot and plays solidly for over a decade, that's a really good thing. The only Skin that is even approaching doing this is Samuels

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 16, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

If for nothing more than longevity's sake, I agree with you ZC, Monte Coleman was a hell of a player, and a class act off the field.

Posted by: 72Redskins | June 16, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

72Redskins--Hard to say whether it's the coaches or the player for not taking coaching. I never thought LaVar was willing to play any way that he didn't want to play and he was too often out of position. I don't think it's the coaches responsibilities to design a defense and coach 10 other men to adapt to what LaVar may or may not be doing. It's not even clear that they could predict what he was going to be doing on any given play.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 16, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Brandon Marshall has all the talent in the world but is a suspension waiting to happen. The Broncos don't even know if he's healthy - he had hip surgery in the offseason. I wouldn't trade much for him.

Posted by: skinswest | June 16, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Again this is not about all-time. Its about the 1982 team:

TACKLE:
Starke and Jacoby vs. Samuels (age, injury) Heyer
Mark May 1st rounder ? reserve?
GUARD
Grimm HOF, May, Dean vs. Thomas, Dockery, ???
CENTER
Bostic vs. Rabach.

RB
Riggins HOF, Washington vs. Portis, Betts
W. Jackson ???

WR
Monk HOF, Brown, Seay vs. Moss, Randle El
Garret Thomas, Kelly, ???

TE
Warren, Walker vs. Cooley, Davis

Posted by: periculum | June 16, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

1982:

CB
Jeris White, V. Dean vs. C. Rogers, D. Hall.

S
Murphy, Peters, C Jordan vs. Landry, Doughty,
Horton

LB Kaufman, Olkiewicz, vs. Orapko, Fletcher,
Milot McIntosh, Thomas, Wilson

DL
Mendenhall, Butz, vs. Haynesworth, Griffin
Brooks, Manley Carter, Daniels

Defensively its pretty close between the two. With coordinators Blache and Petitbone fairly close.

Gibbs + staff vs. Zorn + staff.
Gibbs is the clear winner here.

Posted by: periculum | June 16, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Weighing in on the LaVar discussion: I thought LaVar was about as good an athlete as you can find. Heck, I remember him returning a kick and getting some decent yardage. Any time a team has an elite athlete like that, they need to put him in situations where he can use his ability. I think the Redskins did that a little, but when Schottenheimer came to town, he was only interested in players that fit his disciplined scheme. It was like trying to put a lift kit on a Porsche and taking it "mudding". Why would you do that? (I know some old friend of mine is in the background saying the beer made him do it.) Today, we have another gifted athlete - a virtual freak of nature - in Haynesworth. I think a lot of Greg Blache and I believe he is smart enough to emphasize Haynesworth in the defense. If he doesn't, we could end up with another Arrington situation: stuck in the mud.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 16, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Great post. It's nice to see some outside-the-norm stuff up here without the negative spin.

That said, this post helps the few Campbell supporters up here that think he's better than most think. Behind a worse line, with worse receivers and an anemic offense he managed to put up better numbers than one of the better QBs in team history. Hope he gets a chance to do improve on those numbers beyond 2009...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 16, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

72 -- I'm bigger on longevity than most (even if I do have Fletcher in the middle!).

Teams are lucky when they get 5 years of solid play at a spot. For example, look at TE. We have Cooley now, but for roughly 15 years prior, we got very little from that spot and lots of guys played it. Every couple years, mgmt had to come up with a new plan for TE.

Getting close to 15 years from one guy for 1 spot is a huge bonus, so I'm leaning towards Coleman as the other OLB.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 16, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Lets all take a deep breath. Now lets not here any more talk of TRADING DRAFT PICKS! I

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | June 16, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Paul T:

"1981-82 vs. 2008-09 Redskins, A Comparison"

Sir, there is no comparison.


Posted by: MistaMoe | June 16, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Paul,
CHFF would say that passing yards per attempt is the best measure of a QB and perhaps the best single measure of success.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 16, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 16, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

So, based on the numbers you show above, I like Campbell (and I do like Campbell), based on Yards per Attempt we get this:

Theisman 1981 7.19 YPA
Campbell 2008 6.41 YPA

These are not adjusted in quite the same was as CHFF does the math, but perhaps shows a more realistic picture.

And I expected that 8 and 8 would be about right for last year given the circumstances, but I thought they would start out 0-6 and get better as the year progressed.

go figure

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 16, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

For some reason, this post reminds me of Spaceballs.

Dark Helmet: I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate.
Lone Starr: What's that make us?
Dark Helmet: Absolutely nothing! Which is what you are about to become.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 16, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

The concept has Dan Snyder's fingerprints all over it.

Sell the hype by conjuring old glory days in the offseason.

This is the year we find out Zorn is a fraud. Predict we won't even go 8-8, no matter who lines up on either side of the ball. Coach isn't working hard enough.

Posted by: Xlnt | June 16, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Theismann 1981 7.19 YPA
Campbell 2008 6.41 YPA

Sigh ...

That's easy. Offensive line, athletic, young strong, huge for that era. Donny Warren a 3rd tackle. Riggins and Joe Washington in their primes. Wilbur Jackson who wasn't bad either hardly ever gets a carry. Art Monk just getting into his hall of fame career. Charley Brown, and the "Smurfs" in Seay and Garret catching balls.

Portis and Betts don't even come close. This offensive line is one of the oldest if not the oldest in the NFL. A lot of injuries too! Currently, its hope lies on risky cast-offs or talent that hasn't played in 3 years. Wide receivers after Moss? Cooley at tight end.

Theismann with experience in the Canadian league plus 5 years with the Skins. 1 playoff appearance under Pardee. Competing with Sonny Jurgenson and Kilmer for a job had to help.

Campbell is the better talent ...

Posted by: periculum | June 16, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

It's tough keeping the faith, ain't it, Xlnt? It's been so doggone long since this team strung together a few consecutive seasons of tough, hard-nosed win-more-than-you-lose football.

I bet most of us think this team will be somewhere around 8-8 this season, though I bet most of us are a little more optimistic than the under-.500 record and abject Zorn failure that you predict.

We have a little PDX pool going, nothing big, but I'm guessing the Skins finish 9-7, Stumped has 10-6, and we arranged things so Bucktown Skins Fan wins if the team goes 8-8 or worse... and our Pollyanna, Redskin Willie, wins if the team finishes 11-5 or better.

Here's hoping the other three of us are forking over a little cash to Willie come January...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 16, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse

periculum, don't forget Campbell is about a foot taller than Theesman. That's gotta count for something.

As Ty Webb said when asked how he compared himself to other golfers, "by height."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 16, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Nate, I am rooting for Redskins Willie as well!

We must keep in mind that the coaches did not know this offense any more than our three 2nd rounders did, so cut them a break. This will be their coming out year and I for one am optimistic.

Of course after a few shots, I am always optimistic! Here's to an 11-5 season!!

Hail (or maps...which ever is right...)!!!

Posted by: Curzon417 | June 17, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Aye, aye, Curz, a few drinks in I tend to notice my optimism burgeoning. Sometimes hat optimism is relative to the Redskins, sometime in other areas.

(...something about the quixotic, masochistic nature of being a fan...)

Yeah, F it, hail to 'em!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 17, 2009 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Well put Nate!

F it, hail to 'em!! Win or lose, this is our team!! Just like family!

Posted by: Curzon417 | June 17, 2009 12:29 AM | Report abuse

"that optimism..."

Ahem.

I rarely indulge in hat optimism, though I recently got very excited about buying a sweet new Portland Beavers authentic team cap, which has now supplanted my Nats hat at the top of the chapeau pecking order:

http://pgepark.com/merchandise/index.html?i=273&img=p

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 17, 2009 12:36 AM | Report abuse

I know a lot of you have already seen this, but for expats like Nate, Willie and myself this is sooo funny. And sooo for real.

Arlington Rap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T1RMuoQnKo&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.hipinion.com%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ft%3D246469%26start%3D675&feature=player_embedded'

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 17, 2009 1:32 AM | Report abuse

Little Stumped has one of those Beavers hats too.

Of course, I still wear my Os hat, and we're Skins fans.

(Not a lot of bragging rights around our house these days.)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 17, 2009 1:54 AM | Report abuse

I don't mean to beat a dead horse herre, but I have to Thank Dik for pointing out the information often neglected when assuming Mike Vick ONLY killed dogs.

"The penalties are not based just upon the outcome of the event. It wasn't one dog. It was lots of dogs. It wasn't one crime - it was a plethora of crimes. It wasn't one state..."

Vick ALSO bankrolled the dog fighting ring, and he was probably banking off it. If you're gonna earn the proverbial 'license to print money' then the Govt. wants their share as well--needless to say--in the form of taxes.

The violent nature of dog fighting was exploited by the media; So much that people miss other aspects of the case.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/09/25/vick/index.html

...And Stallworth should have at least gotten 12 months!

Posted by: Vicc | June 17, 2009 3:37 AM | Report abuse

leevi98... following "monet" with "mute point" doesn't exactly restore confidence in your credibilty. It's a "moot" point.

Thanks for your insights though...

Posted by: outsider6 | June 16, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

"credibilty"? Really? i have none because of a typo and an accidently mispelled word? that's all you take from the post? Actually you must have no answer to my post if the only thing you can say is to point out a typo.

Posted by: leevi98 | June 17, 2009 4:39 AM | Report abuse

Little Stumped has one of those Beavers hats too.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 17, 2009 1:54 AM

Is this post about your son or about "Mini Me"? If the former, that's cute. If the latter, what kind of a beaver had are we talking about?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 17, 2009 7:07 AM | Report abuse

"credibilty"? Really? i have none because of a typo and an accidently mispelled word? that's all you take from the post? Actually you must have no answer to my post if the only thing you can say is to point out a typo.

Posted by: leevi98 | June 17, 2009 4:39 AM

No, the reason you have no credibility is because you take yourself so seriously and can't laugh at your own mistakes. And, this is all I take from your post. Your Monet has left me mute.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 17, 2009 7:11 AM | Report abuse

The big difference, the o-line. After 81 the skins had a dominating line that played smash-mouth ball as well as any team that ever competed in the league.

Think what Jason Campbell and that arm of his could do if he had time to sit in the pocket and hit targets 25 and 30 yards downfield on a regular basis.

Posted by: ds5371 | June 17, 2009 7:25 AM | Report abuse

The big difference, the o-line. After 81 the skins had a dominating line that played smash-mouth ball as well as any team that ever competed in the league.

Think what Jason Campbell and that arm of his could do if he had time to sit in the pocket and hit targets 25 and 30 yards downfield on a regular basis.

Posted by: ds5371 | June 17, 2009 7:25 AM | Report abuse

The big difference, the o-line. After 81 the skins had a dominating line that played smash-mouth ball as well as any team that ever competed in the league.

Think what Jason Campbell and that arm of his could do if he had time to sit in the pocket and hit targets 25 and 30 yards downfield on a regular basis.

Posted by: ds5371 | June 17, 2009 7:26 AM | Report abuse

The big difference, the o-line. After 81 the skins had a dominating line that played smash-mouth ball as well as any team that ever competed in the league.

Think what Jason Campbell and that arm of his could do if he had time to sit in the pocket and hit targets 25 and 30 yards downfield on a regular basis.

Posted by: ds5371

Not only that you have to look at the group of WR from 81-82 team.

Posted by: jm220 | June 17, 2009 7:26 AM | Report abuse

No, the reason you have no credibility is because you take yourself so seriously and can't laugh at your own mistakes. And, this is all I take from your post. Your Monet has left me mute.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 17, 2009 7:11 AM

Come to think of it, who REALLY has credibility here? It's not like we're independent news outlets, we're random Skins fans who come for the Skins news and stay for the jibba jabba. Some make more sense than others, but I wouldn't say that anyone here is a Mark Maske.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2009 7:34 AM | Report abuse

"Some (bloggas) make more sense than others...."

I promise you I do my best to make the least amount of sense of anyone who posts regularly.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 17, 2009 8:01 AM | Report abuse

This is why I live in Florida--the land of misplaced priorities:

Filed at 7:01 a.m. ET

MIAMI (AP) -- Former U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno appears to have lost in a matchup with former NBA star Alonzo Mourning.

The Miami-Dade School Board is scheduled to vote Wednesday whether to name a new high school after Reno or Mourning and his wife.

A committee charged with that decision has recommended approving the Alonzo and Tracy Mourning Senior High School Biscayne Bay Campus as the school's name.

Mourning was a star when he played for the Miami Heat.

Reno was the longtime Miami-Dade state attorney before becoming the country's first female attorney general.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 17, 2009 8:05 AM | Report abuse

I promise you I do my best to make the least amount of sense of anyone who posts regularly.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 17, 2009 8:01 AM

Give up. You'll never catch Periculum. He has a head start on you, plus he's stacked the deck in favor of incoherence.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 17, 2009 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Whar u at in SoFla, Moe?

Mrs. Shuttle & I just left the 305 in February (sniff...) :''(

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 17, 2009 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Come to think of it, who REALLY has credibility here? It's not like we're independent news outlets, we're random Skins fans who come for the Skins news and stay for the jibba jabba.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2009 7:34 AM |

learnedhand1 = Mark Maske
The rest of us = Jasno without Cindy's editing

True that, brownwood. Our independent sources consist of being the first to post something that we found on PFT or Peter King's MMQB.

So it's about the jibba and the jabba and the Monet typos. Everything else is a mute point. Or, in Greg's case, mute bonus points.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 17, 2009 8:17 AM | Report abuse


I know a lot of you have already seen this, but for expats like Nate, Willie and myself this is sooo funny. And sooo for real.

Arlington Rap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T1RMuoQnKo

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 17, 2009 1:32 AM
===========================

I never saw that one before.

I lol'ed, too!
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | June 17, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

NEXT SUMMER TOPIC:

What does the redskins' lineacker depth chart look like come Labor Day?:


London Fletcher
Rocky McIntosh
Robert Thomas
HB Blades
Brian Orakpo
Chris Wilson
Robert Henson
Cody Glenn
Albert Fincher
Darrel Young


Who gets cut? Who starts? Who is just a special teamer? Does this line up plus Prince Al at nose tackle allow the team to use some 3-4 fronts?

I'd like to see--'cuz I'm weird--a front where Wilson and Orakpo line up as opposite olb, with Fletch and Thomas playing inside.

Yes: that's a stillers/ravens/iggles style 3-4 look. Carter and Daniels play ends with Haynesworth at the nose in such a scheme.

And please don't put me to sleep with chatta about the 4-3.

Defensive teams today switch fronts to confuse the offense. We can now do the same thing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 17, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Why would we want to confuse our offense (even more than it already is), MistaMoe?
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | June 17, 2009 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Blache has been known to throw in some 3-4. He did against the eagles last year. Moe, I like your idea of a big 3-4 set with Orakpo and wilson at linebacker. I'd rather see Grif at nosetackle, Haynesworth and Daniels at the ends, and orakpo blitzing off haynesworth's hip.

at the base olb spot, i hope wilson wins it. i'd rather see orakpo at de, but occasionally playing olb.

Posted by: brian58 | June 17, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Defensive teams today switch fronts to confuse the offense. We can now do the same thing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 17, 2009 8:39 AM

This team tried to get cute like that on offense a few years back with Al Saunders. It backfired. I could see the same happening on defense this year if they do like you suggest.

The Ravens can do that because they don't go thru a lot of change. They keep the same core together and pick up pieces here and there. The Redskins don't do that. And just because it hasn't been as bad as it's been in the past doesn't make it less true. The Skins just added Haynesworth who isn't a role player, but a guy you're supposed to build your defense around. If they go that route, they need to adjust to those changes before switching fronts and personnel and etc.

Once you're dominant and have mastered that defense, you can start to add wrinkles to REALLY wreak havoc. Until then, play it straight.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Come to think of it, who REALLY has credibility here? It's not like we're independent news outlets, we're random Skins fans who come for the Skins news and stay for the jibba jabba. Some make more sense than others, but I wouldn't say that anyone here is a Mark Maske.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2009 7:34 AM

Wow...Way to dash all of my hopes and inspirations!

I for one thought I had credibility along with others whether right or wrong. Consistency, I think is the key up here (Like Bob Sanders says in the commercial, 'That's Con-sis-ten-cy!').

You can't tell me once you read a sentence or 2, you pretty much know who wrote it w/o looking at the handle for the most part......

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 17, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Going back to Joe Buck and Arte Lang.....

I saw the replay last night (I wish they didn't take out all the curse words, but I see the didn't bleep out any of Favre's curse words) and now I think Buck has lost all credibility and has finally been exposed for who he really is. Once his contract runs out, he should not be invited back. No one likes him in the real world.

So, when Arte started talking about his father, Jack (Jack Buck was you father LMAO!), he seemed to be taking a swipe at Joe. But Joe asked for it by saying he is on TMZ all day and Arte basically called him a F@g and said men usually go to sports websites. But I was thinking that before Arte even said anything.

Then it was a very akward moment where Joe gave Paul Rudd a hug that came from nowhere. What was that about? That had to be the worst 10 minutes of Joe's career......

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 17, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

You're right about Buck, 4th. Dude is a prissy little b*tch who can't relate to the typical football fan. He's a more talented version of Mike Greenberg as far as I'm concerned...both guys need a swift kick to the fleshy patch where their balls are supposed to be.

But Greenberg at least is playing a role; he's playing the metrosexual role but doesn't come off as gay doing it. Joe Buck seems to genuinely be gay and his mannerisms seem to highlight that. If you ever get a chance, watch the dude's walk. You'd think he's a frggin' drag queen.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

how can you really compare todays team with a team 28 years ago.....i think there has been a little change in the game since then

Posted by: smqbert | June 17, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Damn B! LMAO

Posted by: jm220 | June 17, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Compare Joe Buck's team with the team 28 years ago? I should think not!

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 17, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Rick Maese, formerly of the Baltimore Sun, is the new Skins beat writer.

Posted by: Zornado | June 17, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Joe Buck is a play-by-play announcer and booze pitchman.

Nothing more, nothing less.

HBO is hoping the casual sports-chat fan sits through an hour of Buck slurping up some athlete's goo to improve its rating base. Too bad. If they brought back another season --men especially-- to watch.

Perhaps Buck should sneak Troy Aikman on to the set to make him more comfortable.

A visit to Hell would be watching Joe Buck interview Bob Costas about Costas' alleged career.

I understand that next week, both Patrick Star and SpongeBob Squarepants will be interviewed by Buck in HBO's effort to keep the language on the show clean.

They better hope Mr. Krabs doesn't decide to join the broadcast.

Turning Joe Buck into a tv host is like hiring Ron Jeremy to babysit your seventeen year old hot daughter: some people can't be trusted to do a simple thing honestly--or well.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 17, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Is it a given that Redskins Beat Writer = the Redskins Insider guy?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 17, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Sosa has been named on the steroid cheats list......the sun came up....not sure which I'm more surprised at....actually given the weather lately, rainy, and overcast, I'm more surprised that the sun is out......

my daughter is at Fenway park on a field trip today, which is a pretty cool field trip, all things considered.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 17, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

4th - Rudd and Buck went to college together I think, theyve been friends for a long time.

And Artie wasn't taking a swipe at Jack, or Joe, he was giving both of them props for being good play by play guys.

But, that show will be cancelled after 3 episodes. Buck does not have the personality for it.

Posted by: Rypien11 | June 17, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

All,
Interesting discussion on "The League" on gays in the NFL. Shocker the biggest bigot is a former Cowboy.

http://views.washingtonpost.com/theleague/panelists/2009/06/nfl-homosexuality-football-gay-hutcherson.html

Posted by: alex35332 | June 17, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

artie rulz
Joe Buck droolz

That was some great TV, for all the wrong reasons if your Joe Buck.

And its HBO fer cryin out loud. They have a reality show about a cathouse!!!! Chill out people. 9/10 of their stand up specials were raunchier than that segment.

That said

Isabella Soprano rulz
Joe Buck Droolz

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Joe Buck is a play-by-play announcer and booze pitchman.

Nothing more, nothing less.

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Posted by: MistaMoe | June 17, 2009 10:12 AM

He was alright back when they were a 3 man both earlier in the decade(Collinsworth/Buck/Aikman). But Buck is played out now and when Arte imitated JAck, his father, I was thinking to myself,'That's a play by play voice'. Not that stupid stuff his son does.

But, it's going to be hard to shake that homosexuality image now, not that it's anything wrong with it, but it has yet to be accepted in the Football culture whether it be playing or viewing it or listening to it....

I wonder if they discussed the thing at the Howard Stern Show?

(Side Note - I saw cL talk about 'Real Housewives' last week and said Dina is the best on it. Wrong by a million miles. Teresa is where it's at. H.O.T.)

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 17, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

here's my thought: Campbell's better than Theismann, and colt brennan.

"freak out unless you win" fan mentality is wrong. SNYDER was wrong ...to try and get Cutler and Sanchez.

We can win the Super Bowl. Any team competing in the NFC East could go the distance. We beat the fEagles (even the time the refs spotted them a punt return TD [reverse angle]) and Cards.

so don't freak out that I see the cup half full because it's half empty too!


Posted by: pabrian2003 | June 17, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

(Side Note - I saw cL talk about 'Real Housewives' last week and said Dina is the best on it. Wrong by a million miles. Teresa is where it's at. H.O.T.)

Posted by: 4thFloor

WTF!!! Please tell me that is a joke. Please tell me you guys really don't watch that show.

Posted by: jm220 | June 17, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Alex - Such a touchy issue, I don't even want to comment......

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 17, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I gotta go with jm on this one, regardless of how smoking they are, their annoying, and self absorbed factor, far, far, far, far, exponentially far, outweights their looks...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 17, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

(sidenote: 4th it was dealer who OG pimped Dina....I simply agreed...but Teresa....GROSS! So thin, so dumb and her looks like a cheap Rastafarian wig that Theta Chi pledges have to wear at the "Jamacan Me Crazy" spring mixer.)

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

WTF!!! Please tell me that is a joke. Please tell me you guys really don't watch that show.

Posted by: jm220 | June 17, 2009 10:44 AM

I can't help it! It's summer time and new programming is few and far in between! I can't keep watching cartoons for 2 year olds all day!

I can never watch a whole episode, though. I try to only come in when there is an argument or what not like last night (I DVR it for my wife).

Other shows I am ashamed I watch:

* Charm School
* LAO - SVU
* Joe Buck Show - Live

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 17, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

4th/CL you guys just lost blog cool points. Not as bad as Buck and TMZ but damn close.

Posted by: jm220 | June 17, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Sooorrry JM/Beantown. The show is great TV. I love every second of it. Its like how College Sociology 101 should be taught.

And JM, sorry I am watching some TV with the wife while your out shopping for mauve knickers for your next Golf outing! (Gotta love Facebook!)

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

4th, you might need to get a hobby, or something.....I don't even know what those top 2 shows are....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 17, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Yeah 4th, we talked about this before and some people got way bent out of shape.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 17, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I can't help it! It's summer time and new programming is few and far in between! I can't keep watching cartoons for 2 year olds all day!

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 17, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

I could watch Phinneus and Ferb all day if I had to. That's some funny sjk.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 17, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

current thread explains a lot

Posted by: pabrian2003 | June 17, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

We got this HDTV in the living room. And all we use to do is watch stuff I DVR'd. But then a got this constant tongue lashing from my wife for about 2 years saying I never DVR anything she requests and we only watch things I want to see (NFLN and Football in general).

So, I gave in and starting watching stuff she likes (I love NY/Flavor Fav/Real Housewives/SVU, etc). So I had to watch them and now I know all the story lines. So, once that happens you have to see the show to the end (season finales), even though you know it will be stupid.

So SUE me for trying to appease my marriage!

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 17, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

And JM, sorry I am watching some TV with the wife while your out shopping for mauve knickers for your next Golf outing! (Gotta love Facebook!)

Posted by: chrislarry |

LMAO! My golf game suck but I look the part.

Posted by: jm220 | June 17, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

"current thread explains a lot

Posted by: pabrian2003 | June 17, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse"

Yeah that some of us have wives.

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Bean - Get out of the 1940s America an enter 2009.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 17, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

4th, you get a pass for trying to appease the marriage part, but watching anything that has flavor flave, really....I'd rather eat my own kidney, and perform my own labotomy at the same time.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 17, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

"LMAO! My golf game suck but I look the part."

What part is that? A pastel crayon box that melted all over the discount rack at Abercrombie & Finch?

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

4th/CL I was married for 8 years so I know where you are coming from. However, we wouldn't be guys if we didn't give you a hard time. lol

Posted by: jm220 | June 17, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Teresa....GROSS! So thin, so dumb and her looks like a cheap Rastafarian wig that Theta Chi pledges have to wear at the "Jamacan Me Crazy" spring mixer.)

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 10:48 AM

She looks better after the boob job! But yeah, hair is too big for her body!

I wonder if they got stereo typical New Jersians or what for that show as that what it seems to me.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 17, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

4th, um...it it means I have to watch that crap, I'll stay in 1940...thank you very much. I'd rather shut the tv off and take the kids to the field, or something like that...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 17, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

4th, we are out of Beantown's wheel house of circulating automotives, pole bobbing women's versions of male sports!

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

My wife DVRs the Housewives & the Hills and that stuff. I'm sucked in by the hotness of the women but then I'm spit back out once they open their mouths. I've never made it through more than 10 minutes of any of those shows.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 17, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

"I'd rather shut the tv off and take the kids to the field, or something like that..."

I'm sure they would love that at 10pm at night....

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I'm in bed at 10....maybe thats better for me, based on what is on tv....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 17, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Not to out myself further but big difference between the Hills and real housevives....nuance people!

Oh well....I like the semi-good natured cut down fights this has created....

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Let your Vanilla Flag Fly beantown!

Love it!

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

It's a sad time in America. When I grew up we had real shows like Mannix, McCloud, The Rockford Files, Kojak, Baretta, Starsky and Hutch, Happy Days, Good Times, That's My Mama, The White Shadow... Now it's all reality-based garbage. Granted, the first few seasons of The Real World were great TV but its "reality" show progeny are awful. Just a bunch of non-actors "acting" in contrived, over-produced scenarios.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 17, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

anyone watch the college world series??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 17, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Kojak was the show!

Posted by: jm220 | June 17, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Holy crap...walking in on good jibba jabba. It's been a long time.

Shows you watch/watched that you shouldn't admit to... Hmmmm.

Nip/Tuck
Young and the Restless (80s-90s)
Melrose Place
Original 90210
Silk Stalkings

Posted by: 4-12 | June 17, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

If reality tv was real, shows would be more like this. Caution: Turn down your speakers.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 17, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

LH I challenge you to watch half those shows now and see if they hold up.

The PI shows are all crazy formulaic, I can't believe you left off Quincy.

Happy Days jumped the shark, well actually when the Fonz jumped the shark!

Oh well its all subjective...I could talk/argue TV all day...but gotta work!

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

"Young and the Restless (80s-90s)"

That was my show right there! Summers: Horse around in the AM...eat lunch while watching Y&R and then hit the pool!

Good times...

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

No beantown...I find college baseball a snooze...did half watch Yanks/Mets games though...

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

So SUE me for trying to appease my marriage!

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 17, 2009 11:00 AM

I'm in the same boat, 4th...that's how I got roped into watching "Flavor of Love" so I played it this way: we wouldn't even have an HDTV if it wasn't for sports! I mean, other than action flicks, what else would you watch on it? Watching "Access Hollywood" or any of those chick shows reveals too many flaws in the stars so why upgrade for that? And I guess I lucked up since my wife can't tell the difference between HD and regular channels.

In case your wife is smarter (and at least sees better), just watch your shows on the HDTV and she can watch the TV in the room. If that doesn't work, I don't know what else to tell ya...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I would agree with you LH. TV shows are the worstest now. It's all about public humiliation and faux fighting/hook ups, such as.

You just have to adjust your thinking and expectations before you sit down and watch it. We are living in the, 'It Is What It Is' generation......

When I was growing up, we had Martin, Living Color, The Simpsons, X Files, NY Undercover, Qauntam Leap, 90210, the Real WWF, Cosby Show, Different World, etc....

None of today's TV can ever compare to the past....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 17, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Rockford Files comes on the RTN all the time, after Magnum and A-Team. They all hold up. Seems like all peeps did back in the day was go around beating down corrupt businessmen and the occasional mobster-hippy.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 17, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

4-12 yeah you should have kept that one to yourself. lmao (just clowning with you)

Posted by: jm220 | June 17, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Two TVs is def a good solution, I am often banished to the sports tv.....

I gotta represent some of todays shows: The Office/30 Rock/Lost/In Treatment/Mad Men/Curb Your Enthusiasm/Friday Night Lights are all high quality shows....not t mention stuff that recently went off the air like The Wire/Sopranos

And stuff I dont watch but people like, like that dennis leary firefighter show, Dexter, the law n orders, 24....

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Lets face it TV. Movies. Music and Pop Culture are at an all time low right now. The 00s has all been about corporate crap and getting writers out of hollywood (Reality TV, Comic-book movies and remakes and American Idol stars who never starve for their "art". The 90's was not perfect but we had some solid solid movies and a lot of vet directors in their prime, amazing music revival, 80's had all the great action heros. 60's-70's was a golden era for writing and cinematography and the birth of Rock and Role.

This era of entertainment is comparable IMO to the 40's, where all they had going for them was the big band.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 17, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

cl, back in the day, 20-25 years ago, Days of Our Lives got daily attention from me....so there you go....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 17, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

In case your wife is smarter (and at least sees better), just watch your shows on the HDTV and she can watch the TV in the room. If that doesn't work, I don't know what else to tell ya...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2009 11:23 AM

It won't work the HD makes any other tv look punny (sp?)....

(And I should have read 4-12's post before I included 90210!)

I like watching these reality shows to depict the level of fakeness. Call me the Tom Shales of Reality TV......

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 17, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

jm- cL's right on...about the pants...you'd look perfect on 90210, circa the early 90s!

Posted by: 4-12 | June 17, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

I did watch the College Series last night - with a U Texas student in the house (son, home from college - for the last time, which is very odd)I was pretty much forced to.

U Texas coming back from 6 runs down to win was pretty impressive.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 17, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

is FNLights still on??

When, and what channel??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 17, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Alex your sort of wrong and not only citing the 60/70s as birth of rock and roll...

If you chart "pop" tastes from any era than its dreck. But thats not where true pop culture is represented...

But whateves...I gotta work!

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

is FNLights still on??

When, and what channel??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 17, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Def still on. The third season was one of the best seasons of network TV i have ever watched. Should be on DVD soon. NBC and Direct TV signed a deal where they share production costs on the show and then Direct TV gets to run it first in the Fall. Then NBC runs season in winter/spring. Season 4 comes to NBC in January 2010. The DTV/NBC deal has 2 seasons left.

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

john-d, did you see the really, really short kid take one opposite field for a home run. I can't get used to the 'ping' when they make contact.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 17, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I'll have to check direct tv, and see when its on....agreed, cl, thats a great show....pissed that I missed so much, last time I watched, the coach was going to a different HS to coach the fb team...dangit...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 17, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

beantown, that means you watched the season finale....coach taking "demotion" to take newly zoned "wrong side of tracks" team sets up great for season 4.

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

cl, thanks. Was gonna be pissed if I missed a whole season....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 17, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

24 the best show on TV. Last season has to be the best so far with Season 5 a close second.

Posted by: jm220 | June 17, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Well okay Rock really started up in the 50's the 60's it went main stream. But you still had a lot of great music in the 60's, better stuff then we get now.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 17, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

College Baseball sucks. Get rid of the aluminum bats, and get some wood.

"That ain't the way the game is played!"

Aluminum bats make the ball travel further than if it were hit by a wooden bat, is that right?

Posted by: RedDMV | June 17, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I didn't see the opposite field home run, as I was working in the garage - however, the whole neighborhood heard my son freak out when the ball went out.

The ping will always sound weird to me.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 17, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

red, bingo, aluminum makes everyone a HR hitter.

jm, agreed, 24 is a great show.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 17, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Aluminum bats are fine for a kid or home protection, but once you are 18 I agree its all about the wood. Its like watching arena football, with out a little running its just not right.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 17, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Season 1 of Heroes was amazing. I actually stopped watching 24 because of it. Season 2 stunk so now i don't watch either show.

TV's golden age: Thursday nights on NBC Cosby, Family Ties, Cheers, Night Court.

Anyone else remember Meg Ryan on As the World Turns? Money!

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 17, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Once you hit about 12 its all about wood!

Thanks, try the swedish meatballs!

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Has NBC always made Thursday Night the night they put up their Ace Lineup? In the 90s they had the Friends Sienfeld thing, now its the office. How far back does that go?

Posted by: alex35332 | June 17, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Has NBC always made Thursday Night the night they put up their Ace Lineup? In the 90s they had the Friends Sienfeld thing, now its the office. How far back does that go?

Posted by: alex35332 | June 17, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse"

I think Cheers and Hill Street Blues was the ground zero for NBC Thursday night, then solidified by Family Ties and Cosby...

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Actually Wiki has a historical breakdown of NBC Thursday since the start of Must See TV in 1980 that I just found out. When you look at that its impressive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Must_See_TV

Posted by: alex35332 | June 17, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

If you liked/have a soft spot in your heart for the A-team, you should check out Burn Notice on USA…..good stuff. I read yesterday that Liam Neeson might be playing Hannibal and the dude from The Hangover will be playing Face in the A-Team movie. Also, for my money, Rescue Me has the best back and forth dialogue since Seinfeld….VERY well written (and acted).

Best NBC Thursday lineup was Cosby, Family Ties, Cheers, and whatever came after Cheers…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 17, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

From the Cherokeean Herald

Rusk alumni Cody Glenn now has an official NFL contract to go with his status as active NFL player.

Mr. Glenn, a linebacker, signed a four-year deal with the Washington Redskins last week. He will receive a signing bonus of roughly $200,000.

Redskin coaches have said that the 6'0, 240 lb. fifth round pick (#158 overall) will likely see playing time at outside linebacker as well as on special teams.

Mr. Glenn was a record-setting running back during his time at Rusk High School.

As a Rusk Eagle, Mr. Glenn finished his high school career with 6,353 yards and 87 touchdowns, both of which are school records. His total rushing yards rank eighth-highest in the history of Texas Class 3A and are 27th in state history.

At Nebraska, he carried the ball 143 times for 579 yards and 14 touchdowns as a running back.

Before his senior year, he and the coaching staff decided that he would get more playing time on the defensive side of the ball, so Mr. Glenn became a weak-side and middle linebacker.

In nine games at linebacker, Mr. Glenn finished with 51 tackles, six for loss and four pass breakups.

The Redskins have finished organized team activities (OTAs) and voluntary workouts. Training camp will begin July 29 in Landover, Md.

Washington's first preseason game will be against the Baltimore Ravens Aug. 13. They open the season at Giants Stadium against the New York Giants Sept. 13.

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fifth round picks geta $200K signing bonus?
is this not the kid who could not tell anyone why he was kicked off his team and then couldn't make his plane to minicamp?

I'm thinking more like $20K bonus if that...

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 17, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

If you liked/have a soft spot in your heart for the A-team, you should check out Burn Notice on USA…..good stuff. I read yesterday that Liam Neeson might be playing Hannibal and the dude from The Hangover will be playing Face in the A-Team movie. Also, for my money, Rescue Me has the best back and forth dialogue since Seinfeld….VERY well written (and acted).

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 17, 2009 12:20 PM

Burn Notice is OK...I hate the main guy (I forget his name) and his sidekick is one of the most annoying guys in Hollywood. But the A-Team lineup sounds pretty good...with the exception of Omar Epps as B.A. Baracus. THAT would piss me off. How people forget about the guy that played D-Bo in the Friday movies is beyond me...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 17, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Best NBC Thursday lineup was Cosby, Family Ties, Cheers, and whatever came after Cheers…..
Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 17, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Lots of good shows on after Cheers. Night Court, Wings, and Seinfeld all had that slot with some crap in-between.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 17, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Mr T should play BA. Nobody else could do it.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 17, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Major new alert - stop pay attention

Sean Penn to stop acting for 1 year to devote time to family matter

OK - back to work

yaaaaawnnnnn!

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 17, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

The one season of Cheers/Taxi was one heck of an hour!

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I could see Michael Clark Duncan (or is it Duncan Clark) playing BA Baracus.....that's about all I can really come up with. Omar Epps doesn't work for me....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 17, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Best TV shows on nowadays

Rescue Me
True Blood
Dexter
Weeds
Burn Notice
Chuck
NCIS

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 17, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know a way to convert .koz to .mp3 or .wma?

I just downloaded a song I'd like to put onto my desktop.

Thanks in advance.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 17, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

30 Rock
The Office
Eastbound and Down

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 17, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Best TV shows on nowadays
Rescue Me
True Blood
Dexter
Weeds
Burn Notice
Chuck
NCIS
Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 17, 2009 12:30 PM

I love Chuck but I am worried that it is jumping the shark since he downloaded the new computer thingy into his brain and he is now a super martial arts guy…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 17, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

If you have itunes, it may do the conversion for you Red...

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Love East Bound and Down....I forgot that on my previous list....

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Was the BA Baracus charcter played by Mr. T in the original A Team series? If so, then yes, Omar Epps is definitely not ideal for that role.

Omar Epps is and will always be "Gee Q" (Juice) or J Reid (In Too Deep, not RI J Reid).

I don't know much about the A Team.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 17, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Need. No. Post.

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 17, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Tiny Liston as BA

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

"How people forget about the guy that played D-Bo in the Friday movies is beyond me..."

He played the President in the 5th element, and he was just in The Dark Knight, too... I think he'd do a good job.

Posted by: mrsaun | June 17, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Red - What about Higher Learning?

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 17, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

nah, CL, I don't have itunes. But if I did, could I just download the program and play music in the library, regardless of the file extension?

I wouldn't want to have to purchase a song just to play it through itunes. I just downloaded a song from the Sprint Store... I know at one time they also sent a "PC version", but I got a message saying that it's no longer available.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 17, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I feel ill at the thought of anyone other than Mr T playing BA. D-Bo is awesome but I can't even see him pulling it off. If you're not going to cast Mr. T. then you might as well let Woody Allen play him.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 17, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Best shows now:

Lost
Office
Lost
30Rock
Lost
Mythbusters

Posted by: 4-12 | June 17, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Love East Bound and Down....I forgot that on my previous list....

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 12:35 PM

me too!

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 17, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

I don't think there is a converter for koz to mp3 yet. If you download Itunes, you may be able to convert it to an aac file and play it.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 17, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

A-Team cast

Neeson - Hannibal
Cooper - Face
Common - BA
? - Murdock

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 17, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Indeed, 4th. Higher Learning is one.

There are other as well:

The Program
The Wood
Love & Basketball

But Juice and In Too Deep are two favorites.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 17, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

It's a sad state in sitcom comedy. There are no more black sitcoms. As I am sure all the current shows that have been listed are good, I just can't get with them because it's hard to relate to sometimes. No Black people to be found anywhere. We're lucky to get one token person, but that's it. That's why I use to like 24 - Lots of secondary and primary actors were black.

There is a sitcom called The Game that was great comedy on the CW that actually correctly depicted what 'we' go through, but sadly the CW is pulling the plug. There is a growing public outrage in the black community because of this. Networks don't care about black people.

End Moral Rant.

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 17, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Lost went shark 2 years ago, stopped watching, it too painful

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 17, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

D-Bo was played by Tiny Lister (correct me if I got name wrong) that is my BA pick as well...

Red: Itunes the music player is a free program and NOT the song download player. Its cross platform and the best program for organizing your music. Within the program are tools to convert your tracks to mp3

You can use itunes player forever and not buy one song from itunes store.

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

cl and o_e, thanks.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 17, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Tiny Lister played Deebo. As BA, I could see former 'Skin Terry Crews (played the father on I Hate Chris, Rasputia's brother in Norbit, and Damon, the landlady's just-out-of-prison son Friday After Next) or Lester Speight, the dude who played Terrible Terry Tate, Office Linebacker.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 17, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

You would need a unknown star to play BA Bacus as Mr. T was an unknown when he joined the A Team. Tiny and Terry have done too many comedies to take them serious....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 17, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Lester Speight, the dude who played Terrible Terry Tate, Office Linebacker.

Those was the best commericials. I was in tears watching him bring the wood.

Posted by: jm220 | June 17, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

4th, the office cast is pretty diverse and featured 3 black regulars this season.... 30 Rock has four, with Tracey Jordan as lead comic, and a great sub plot that contrasts the "street" Jordan with Harvard educated "Twofer" staff writer. Also they do some funny stereotype bending stuff with Jordans two body guards Dot.com and Gris...

So "no black people"? As both shows are workforce farces seems liked mixed casts and then the dynamic thereof is key. Unless you have watched the "Dawali" or "Office sensitivity training" episodes of The Office, don't tell me its not taking on racial politics in offices seriously

I loved living Single, Martin so I am not sure I get your point on a personal level, but I get your point on a larger societal level.

end semi moral rant

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

oh yea, what about Ving Rhames as the A Team character y'all are talking about?

he'll get naked, act as a homosexual, and cross dress.

it could have a "current times" spin on it where big muscular dudes are really trapped in the closet.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 17, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Terry Crews was a Skin? Missed that. I love that dude! Don't know if I could see him as BA....I think 4th nailed it with the unknown...although Mr T was semi-known..."DC Cab" people!

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

4th, the only color networks care about is green. If it don't make dollars it don't make sense. The Game and Everybody Hates Chris have the lowest viewer ratings on the CW in the 18-49 demo. The fault lies with viewers. Nobody except a blacks were interested in watching The Game. Only the Cos can draw the wider population if you know what I mean.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 17, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Ving Rhames. Good call Red.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 17, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

BA Baracus should be played by......... drumroll please


Kimbo Slice

now you cant tell me Kimbo slice doesnt fit the profile of BA Baracus

Posted by: GreatOne1 | June 17, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

yeah, I was flipping through the channels and saw Stringer Bell (Idris Elba) on The Office the other day.

Now Office viewers, wrap your brain around this: That dude that's plays Micheal's boss was the same dude ordering deaths and selling drugs on The Wire.

Dude is a damn good actor, IMO...

Still find it funny as hell that he's British, from the UK, England, or whatever you are or from if you're from over there.

4th, again, you're on point as far as lack of shows that blacks can identify with. I think that's why so many black people watch reality TV (thus rotting their brains that much more) -- there simply aren't any, or enough shows that you can watch and relate to.

I do find The Office funny, but I really can't get into it, and I'm not sure exactly why. But I don't think race has anything to do with it.

You hear me lh1?

Posted by: RedDMV | June 17, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

The fault lies with viewers. Nobody except a blacks were interested in watching The Game. Only the Cos can draw the wider population if you know what I mean.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 17, 2009 1:04 PM

Actually, as a long time follower I respectfully disagree.

Lets look at the times, new episodes were placed. One season they were placed on Monday nights during the fall up against MNF and others. Another season, they were placed on Sunday nights, where CW doesn't do that good for ANY show. This last an so-called final season was placed on Fridays where no one watches TV across the board. If it wasn't for DVR, I would never had seen a single episode (And DVR views don't count towards ratings).

Like Marion Barry once said, 'The #$#@$ set The Game up to fail...' Now BET is considering to look into this to see if they can pick up the series.

Also, alot of black people didn't know about the Game since it was on the CW. Now that they rerun old episodes all the time on BET, it has gained more interest....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 17, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

kIMBO Slice would be PERFECT!

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Idris Elba is a great actor, agreed Red!

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

5 Major things the article failed to address:

1) Ownership/Management - Jack Kent Cooke was a superior owner and businessman compared to Dan Snyder. Gibbs thought he was going to get fired after starting 0-5. Jack called him into his office and said "You are doing a fine job Joe. Keep it up and things will turn around." Jack already had an NBA championship trophy to his name from the Lakers and became an American citizen through special law passed by Congress just for him. They beat the Bears the following week and went 8-3. Bobby Beathard and Bobby Mitchell had the team filled with talent. Mosley, Monk, Butz, the Hogs, Charlie Brown, etc.

2)Defensive Coordinator - Ritchie Petitbon was the most underrated DC in football. Forget Buddy Ryan. Ritchie got the defense to ready to play and could adapt to any offense. Defense scored the TD in the Bears game in the first win. In '82 the Dexter Manley knocked out Danny White and forced Gary Hogeboom to throw an int to Darryl Grant for a TD.

3)OL - Bugel was in his absolute prime in taking raw talent and making them the best OL in the NFL.

4) John Riggns had sat out a year and then came back. In the playoffs he ran for over 600 yds was unstoppable against the Vikings and Dolphins. From the 10 yard line it was pound the ball in.

5) Special teams - Mark Mosley was a weapon as a scoring machine. He was MVP in 1982. 1st kicker ever. Mike Nelms was also a special return guy.

Posted by: hghsolo | June 17, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

kIMBO Slice would be PERFECT!

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Can he act?

Posted by: alex35332 | June 17, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

where the white women at?
Sheriff Bart

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 17, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

So exactly what is this thread about? I'm confused. Is this about drunk driving, being interrupted by one's beeper, comparison of quarterbacks or owners, former Wash Post employees, or what?

Posted by: fan1 | June 17, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

fan1, i believe the correct term is "get in where you fit in".

Posted by: RedDMV | June 17, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Mr. T's 1st gig that made him "famous" was Rocky 3 (Clubber Lang). That led to the A-team.....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 17, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

kIMBO Slice would be PERFECT!

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Can he act?

Posted by: alex35332


He acted like an MMA star for a couple months

Posted by: GreatOne1 | June 17, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: alex35332 | June 17, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

I am not sure that "acting" is what Mr. T did either....

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

4th, my point about The Game is that it has a limited audience. If NBC put it on Thursday night between The Office and 30 Rock lights would dim when The Office Ended and when 30 Rock began with all of the nation's channels turning at once. I might be generalizing here but... nobody wants to see The Game except black people. CL, mentioned Living Single. Friends was a blatant rip off of Living Single but drew a much larger audience and its actors made googobs more money. During the mid-90s, black people primarily watched Fox - Martin, LS, and NY Undercover. Everybody else watched NBC.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 17, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Clubber Lang = "Pain"

Posted by: RedDMV | June 17, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Well, let's chew on this question. Would the goal be to have a fair number of entertainment vehicles with all black casts that could be watched by black viewers in direct proportion to the programs watched by mainly white viewers, or would the goal be to have integrated black characters into many of the mostly white shows so that all can have a richer viewing experience?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 17, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

beep

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 17, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Objective comparison between 82 and 08;

1) - compare the OL personnel.
2) - weep.

Posted by: stevebeagrie | June 17, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

correct me if I'm wrong, we had an O-line, something The Dan & co continue to ignore and waste cash and picks on has-beens and crooks. Most frustrating team, EVER !!

Posted by: aginsburg | June 18, 2009 12:26 AM | Report abuse

alex35332:
What I hate about FedEX and the current era is we have O, NO home field advantage at all. Back in the day teams feared coming into RFK and our fans were a legite 12th man. Now , I don't know what's going on, example, last years Steelers game which was an insult.

Posted by: 72Redskins | June 16, 2009 2:26 PM |


72Redskins,

Here is the problem. As we all know Snyder seeks money from EVERYWHERE! This doesn't make him a bad person, or even a bad businessman. It does however, make him a TERRIBLE Football team owner.

I am a Skins season ticket holder. I waited on that doggone list for 22 years! I got my tickets when Coach Gibbs came back so that was kinda nice. The problem is that the tix are or can be expensive to a lot of folks. PLUS the parking is an absolute rip-off. This leads many folks to sell their tix to games that they either cannot attend or don't want to attend because of having to work the next day.

The Squealers game was a Monday night game AND everybody knows that trying to get to the stadium on a RUSH HOUR is insane.

Stay with me here, according to an article on ESPN's website last year, the Skins boast a 200,000 season ticket waiting list. It is by far, the longest in the NFL. The reason Snyder sucks as an owner is because he doesn't think about what his money grubbing actions do to the team and the atmosphere at the stadium.

Look at Robert Kraft in New England. Kraft KNOWS that NOISE in his stadium up there in New England makes a difference to the other team at key times. He noticed in the last few years that it seemed that there were a lot of other teams fans in his stadium. Especially on the big games.

He did some investigating and found that a lot of his season ticket holders were selling their tix to the big games on Stub Hub for a ton of cash and then were basically able to go to the rest of the games for free.

Kraft sued Stub Hub for the list of names of people selling tix and won. Stub Hub fought it tooth and nail. Kraft prevailed, and got the list of season ticket holders and cancelled all of their tickets. This sent a message to other season ticket holders to NOT do it. AND it moved many season ticket waiting list folks off of the list.

That's Kraft's thinking. Now, look at Snyder's. If you look at the Skins' website he has a direct link ON THE SITE to Stub Hub because they have an advertising contract at the stadium. So he makes that money on advertising but allows people to sell their tix to whomever.

Since, when you sell tix on a site like Stub Hub you cannot tell if you are selling to a fan or the other team's fan, what is likely to happen? The other team's fans in this area are likely to buy them up. THAT is what happens.

ALL BECAUSE SNYDER IS GRUBBING FOR MONEY!

As a result, our home field advantage gets diluted and it sucks.

Posted by: TheN01skinsfan | June 23, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

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