A Draft Ends and Analysis Begins

Sometimes drafts come down to two individuals, and then the what-if game kicks in. In 2004, for the Redskins, the debate was whether to take Sean Taylor or Kellen Winslow. In 2005, when the Skins took Carlos Rogers, the push among some fans was for linebacker Shawne Merriman. In 2007 the Skins took LaRon Landry over Amobi Okoye, and last year the Skins opted not to take defensive end Phillip Merling, a player they had scouted closely, and traded out of the first round entirely.

This weekend, the Skins wasted no time in snagging Brian Orakpo when he was still available at No. 13, even though tackle Michael Oher had slipped to that spot and despite their need for an offensive tackle. Orakpo is a safe pick in many ways: he fills a need, is very bright and has a great work ethic. There aren't character concerns, and though his ceiling might not be as high as some ends selected after him, he brings an element of youth and explosion lacking from the end position.

Oher, similarly, is very safe. He might not ever project to a stud left tackle in the NFL, but he will likely be a very solid right tackle, and the Baltimore Ravens, not needing a left tackle, could have two young bookend tackles for years to come after moving up from 26 to 23 to draft him. But after again going through another draft and offseason without addressing what many in the organization believe is Washington's biggest need - the right side of the offensive line - I know that I will go back to this draft with the development of Orakpo vs. Oher always in mind, in much the same way I'll evaluate Landry vs. Okoye, or Rogers vs. Merriman.

Not upgrading at tackle, or guard for that matter, would be my biggest concern. There is not much of a comfort level with the current top right tackle, Stephon Heyer, while Jon Jansen's contract has been the primary reason he is still here. (It's more cap prohibitive to cut him than keep him.) And while the league has been highly valuing the crop of first-round tackles over the past two drafts, the Skins have taken a contrary stance. (Atlanta traded up to get Washington's pick, 21st overall, in 2008 and took tackle Sam Baker, for example.) That's worth noting and watching over time, particularly if quarterback Jason Campbell's development is stunted again this season by a wilting line.

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I'll be interested to see how some of the tackles taken in the second round fare. Coming into the draft, I heard from a lot of teams valued UConn tackle William Beatty (he went to the Giants), while New England took Sebastian Vollmer a few picks earlier after trading down repeatedly, and Eben Britton and Phil Loadholt went higher in the second round. So, between the first round last year, and the first two rounds this year, 16 tackles were selected. If this group proves to have anything close to the success of the 2008 class, and right tackle remains a position of great concern for the Redskins, I imagine we could be talking about these two drafts for a while. (The Skins did not have a second-round pick this year because of the Jason Taylor trade.)

By Jason La Canfora  |  April 26, 2009; 7:59 PM ET
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Comments

Analysis: BOO!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 26, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

agreed. usual JLC copout

Posted by: poparoni | April 26, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

agreed. usual JLC copout

Posted by: poparoni | April 26, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Before the draft, bloggas whined, "We need lineman."

After the draft, JLC points out the team didn't draft linemen, and bloggas whine, "Typical Jasno negative cop out."

Canfora is right, and totally so, this time. How a team with an aging offensive line went into a draft stocked with tackles, centers, and guard prospects without selecting one is baffling to say the least.

The cynic in me thinks that perhaps the bloggas protest too much and critics not enough.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 26, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Analysis: BOO!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 26, 2009 8:02 PM

Beer: YEA!

Posted by: 4-12 | April 26, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Here's an interesting article on Historical Redskins Draft Busts.

It is inspired by the recent Skins pursuit of a QB, and the poor results with so-called skill players.

One of my favorites is us taking Rod Gardner with the 15th overall pick in 2001, and letting OL Steve Hutchinson go to the Seahawks. Hutchinson is now a 6 time All Pro/Pro Bowler.

Incidentally, the Seahawke QB (Zorn's protoge) went to 3 Pro-Bowls while Hutchinson was blocking for him. Coincidence?

Posted by: Alan4 | April 26, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Stupid, stupid, stupid. Plenty of good OL in Round 3. Hell, Duke Robinson from ALA was still there when we picked in the fifth. Line depth on both sides wins championships. I hate this front office.

Posted by: DCinSD | April 26, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

JLC U ARE THE WORST...I DIDNT HEAR THE CLEAR U MUST TAKE OHER OVER ORKAPO OPINION BEOFREE THE DRAFT. U ARE A DISGRACE. PLEASE LEAVE THE WASHINGTON POST

Posted by: acm1179 | April 26, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

One Pick Wonders

Posted by: chavez66 | April 26, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

MMoe- Nah, there's certain 'bloggas' up here who would much rather take it out on Jasno, instead of the regime which has presided over a below .500 decade. Clearly, we should shoot the messenger. It's obviously all his fault.

Posted by: 4-12 | April 26, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Neither CORNELIUS LEWIS nor CECIL NEWTON were picked in this draft. I would have alreadt called them both by now and offered whatever incentives are necessary to get FA's to a camp and seen by the coaching staff. I continue to believe they are at least worthy of consideration.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 26, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

why draft a tight end and receiver?
didn't we do that last year?

Posted by: jmy999 | April 26, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Not to mention the Williams guy we just picked up recently weighed in at 410 lbs and can't come to the first mini-camp as a result.

Posted by: DCinSD | April 26, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

If we drafted Oher JLC would be complaining about our lack of a pass rush and the fact that we spent tons of money on Haynesworth and Hall but gave no pass rush to support them.

He was going to find the gray cloud regardless, that's just what he does. It's pretty pathetic.

Posted by: jaldrichl | April 26, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Analysis:

Is for idiots. Nobody can analyze this draft or last years draft just. Talk to me in two to three years when it can be intelligently addressed. Analyzing it right now is for losers who haven't a real clue but think they do. Time is the only true test of a draft.

Posted by: croftonpost | April 26, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

DCinSD, Williams weighed 375 coming out of college, so it's not as bad as it sounds. He has time to get ready before the O-line breaks down again half-way through the season.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 26, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Time for the Priest Analysis or is it the Beast Analysis?


NFC East draft analysis
April 26, 2009 7:18 PM
Posted by ESPN.com's Matt Mosley

NFC East Draft Picks
• Dallas Cowboys
• New York Giants
• Philadelphia Eagles
• Washington Redskins

NEW YORK -- At one point Friday, it sounded like the Eagles and Giants were once again hot and heavy for Cardinals wide receiver Anquan Boldin. But that story flickered out quickly and both teams focused on building through the draft. On Day 1, it was only a three-team division. The Cowboys had the No. 51 pick, but things moved too quickly for them and they were frustrated when center Max Unger came off the board several spots ahead of their pick.

Instead of staying at 51 and picking Oklahoma offensive tackle Phil Loadholt, the Cowboys moved out of the second round and added a couple of Day 2 picks.

The Redskins may have been interested in Mark Sanchez, but they were thrilled to end up with Texas defensive end Brian Orakpo. He was one of the most disruptive players in the Big 12 and he should flourish playing next to defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth. In a draft where the Redskins didn't have much ammunition, Orakpo should give the team a boost. And I honestly think most people at Redskins Park (maybe not Dan Snyder) are relieved that Jason Campbell will quarterback the team for another season. Call me crazy, but I'd like to see what he can do in the second season of the Jim Zorn era.


Posted by: priestholmes | April 26, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Best move: I thought taking Orakpo was a no-brainer and the Giants took the best wide receiver left on the board with North Carolina's Hakeem Nicks. But the best move of Day 1 certainly came when the Eagles moved up a couple of spots to take Missouri wide receiver Jeremy Maclin. When a player of Maclin's skill level starts to slip (thanks to people like Oakland's Al Davis), you have to take advantage of the situation. Everyone assumed the Eagles would take a running back in the first round, but that was never the case. If Knowshon Moreno had slipped to No. 21, you go ahead and take him. But he was long gone. The Eagles patiently waited until the second round, when they grabbed Pittsburgh running back LeSean McCoy, a perfect fit for their offense. They need an instinctive runner and that's McCoy's best trait. He should prosper in a zone-blocking scheme.

Riskiest move: I didn't see any particularly risky picks in the first couple rounds. I guess you could say it was risky for the Cowboys to forfeit their only Day 1 pick. But for a risky pick, let's look at the Giants going after Cal Poly wide receiver Ramses Barden in the third round. It's always interesting to see division rivals trade with each other. The Eagles traded out of the No. 85 slot to allow the Giants to move up and take Barden. He put up amazing numbers at Cal Poly and you have to love his size (6-6, 229), but he didn't play against elite competition. At the Senior Bowl, he really struggled getting off the line of scrimmage against press coverage. He might end up being a nice red-zone threat, but I was just a little surprised to see the Giants go after him that early in the draft -- especially after taking Nicks. To me, the Barden selection speaks volumes about how the club feels about Sinorice Moss and Mario Manningham. I know we keep reading about Manningham's progress, but I still have my doubts about him.

Posted by: priestholmes | April 26, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Most surprising move: I thought Jerry Jones was providing comic relief Sunday when he drafted a kicker in the fifth round. USC kicker David Buehler might be the best kicker in the draft, but the Cowboys just happen to have one of the top kickers in the league in Nick Folk. Did they actually want to create some competition in training camp? Honestly, this felt like a throwaway pick to me. Maybe the Cowboys think someone will get desperate before the season and trade a third-rounder for Buehler. But that's a real stretch. Of all the baffling things that Jones did in this draft, put the Buehler pick at the top.

File it away: I'll give you a couple to file away. I think the Eagles got tremendous value with Florida tight end Cornelius Ingram. Yes, I know he missed the entire 2008 season, but he's the type of threat that gives Donovan McNabb another option in the red zone. Ingram was No. 59 on draft guru Rick "Goose" Gosselin's top 100, which is passed around in personnel offices across the league.

He played basketball at Florida and we've seen some former ballers turn into pretty solid tight ends. Antonio Gates and Tony Gonzalez come to mind. I'm not saying this guy is going to the Pro Bowl in his first season. But in the fifth round, I think the Eagles did really well with Ingram.

The Giants took Sam Houston State quarterback Rhett Bomar in the fifth round. It's probably a sign that the Giants have already soured on Andre Woodson, their sixth-round pick from last season. I used to watch Bomar in high school in Grand Prairie, Texas, and he was on his way to being an excellent quarterback at Oklahoma before running into off-the-field issues. He has plenty of flaws, but I could see the Giants being a great fit for him. My bold prediction of the day is that Bomar will someday be used to land the Giants a second-round pick.

Posted by: priestholmes | April 26, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

I just really feel bad for JC because he will be running for his life...

Posted by: hanimal03 | April 26, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Too many holes, not enough picks. Fullstop.

Orakpo was, I guess, the safest (or safer) pick. If we'd taken Oher, then we'd be talking about the d-line.

Looks to me like 2009 will be Groundhog Day. Some good games when the line is healthy and not overmatched; but if they suffer a few nicks and injuries or if they're facing a topflight athletic d-line they won't be able to move the ball.

Sound familiar?

Defensively they may be better. Offensively, they're treading water if not gotten worse.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 26, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

If we had the 13th and 14th pick I'd have drafted Oher too, but we didn't. We could only take one and I'm happy with Orakpo.

For someone so upset about not taking both of them with one pick and giving yourself the opportunity to say I told you so if Baby Manchild works or doesn't, you sure like to harass the coaching staff about how we don't "pressure the quarterback".

Stop whining Jason! Report the news and Insider facts, not your two cents when you were probably busy checking out the Pats' picks given the lack of updates on here.

Time will tell how this draft was. I love the first pick, some head scratchers later on but we'll have to wait and see. Any of you that hate any of these picks tell me what you thought about drafting Horton and Moore (either or both) last year. No one knows at this point.

HAIL!

Posted by: AdamCr | April 26, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Deadskins do not have a competent front office. Even the Raiders did a better job then Danny and Vinny show. Deadskins have an easier schedule for 09 but will be lucky to go 4-12. Campbell will demand to be traded before training camp and will get his wish and will lead his new team to conference playoffs. And JLC will win awards for his coverage of the Deadskins and Flounder21 will finally win at pocket pool.

Posted by: sheepherder | April 26, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

The Patriots and Philadelphia Eagles do the best job of trading current picks to get better future ones. The Eagles have made trades to have 11 picks in 2010, but the Patriots will have better clout early on with three second-rounders. There were 28 trades during the course of the two-day draft. Ten of those trades involved 2010 picks.

2. Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones didn't own the second day of the draft as billed. Armed at the start of Sunday with a dozen draft choices in the final five rounds, the Cowboys were caught reaching too many times. By comparison, the Chicago Bears had a much better second day.

Their picks were consistent and fit needs. Defensive ends Jarron Gilbert and Henry Melton have run the 40-yard dash in 4.8 seconds and will work with defensive line coach Rod Marinelli on the Bears' pass rush. Safety D.J. Moore had received a higher grade than his third-round selection. The Bears added wide receiver Juaquin Iglesias, who was rated in the round he was selected. Most of the Cowboys' picks were rated two or three rounds lower than their selections.

To be honest, I thought the Patriots won the day.

Posted by: priestholmes | April 26, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

The team added Dockery.

It must have faith in Heyer. And if he can't go, Jon "Lookout Block" Jansen is still wearing Jim Lachey's old number 76.

Maybe Rhino has progressed in ways we bloggas are unaware of.

Then there's D'Anthony Batiste, Devin Clark, Will Montegomery---well, whoever they are, I wish them all the best.

A recent article in the Washington Times relayed the point that R Thomas played hurt last year, but should be healthy this fall.

C Samuels, well, he has had knee issues, but should be healthy come Sept.

C Rabach, well, he, well, he, ummmmm, is, er, um, the same guy wh had issues with big nose tackles last year.

And that's about it. No young stud lineman to salivate over. No new stories about some 6'5" 350 kid fresh from college who can pass block and likes to crush linebackers.

Joe Bugel gets what he likes to coach: older guys.

The more things change, the more they stay the same on the redskins offensive line.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 26, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

'...I just really feel bad for JC because he will be running for his life...'

Perhaps fearing for his life behind our geriatric o-line will make him progress through his reads much faster.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 26, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Well, not thrilled about the draft as a whole but it looks like our DLine is now "young." Would have liked a younger O line but I don't get to pick. This FO must have some real faith in Buges ability to coach up the few young O lineman because thats what has to happen here for us to make the playoffs. We have a good D though...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

folks I agree we didn't adress the Oline but here is the problem that the skins do have, you can blame Cerrato all you want with his past failures and him someone who is a GM but bottom line is this Dan Snyder is taken of the draft operation as well as GM dutie she's trying to be Jerry jones which is proven he can't be the difference between the two is that Jones not only undestands how the draft works he has a football background something that snyder lacks,and until he learns the lesson that the passing game and the running game can't be successful without a strong offensive line the skins oline is not gonna be addressed, one more thing there are two things that needs to happen for this team to become successful again, one you have to hurt Snyder in his pocket and hurt it good and two unless the skins get reach to the point where the bengals were in the early 90 to present nothing is changing period.

Posted by: rmnkevorkian | April 26, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

We had a good draft. Getting Orako was crazy. That was a no brainer. I know Oher was there. We did draft o-lineman last year and we sighned another lineman on Saturday. We got a corner, two linebackers, a receiver, and a TE.Didn't really see the need for a TE but who knows. The skins are right back in the mix, and our defense will be ready to go. If we can get our O-line together we will be right there. HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!!!!!!!!

Posted by: louloudekdek1 | April 26, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Funny thing is If they would have taken a Tackle at 13...JLC would be on here talking about how DE is the most glaring need and start in with Jason Taylor and blah blah blah.....

Posted by: leevi98 | April 26, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Joe Bugel gets what he likes to coach: older guys

Yeah, older guys that get overmatched, especially by athletic lines, and who can't play 16 games at a high level (if at all) at this stage of their careers.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 26, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Deadskins do not have a competent front office. Even the Raiders did a better job then Danny and Vinny show. Deadskins have an easier schedule for 09 but will be lucky to go 4-12. Campbell will demand to be traded before training camp and will get his wish and will lead his new team to conference playoffs. And JLC will win awards for his coverage of the Deadskins and Flounder21 will finally win at pocket pool.

Posted by: sheepherder | April 26, 2009 8:33 PM

Hey look! A sheepSJK'er! The Raiders did better, ha, what a d bag. "With the 8th pick of the 2009 draft the raiders select..." ha, ha, ha.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

I think this draft largely presumed that last year's drafted players were going to emerge this year. That seems like quite a risk since we didn't see much last year to lead us to believe any of that. I would like to think there is some great strategy beneath this bizarre draft and its absence of offensive linemen. I doubt it. I think this is Vinny's last hurrah and this makes it easy for Dan to pull the trigger. Anything else is just inexplicable.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 26, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

she's trying to be Jerry jones which is proven he can't be the difference between the two is that Jones not only undestands how the draft works he has a football background something that snyder lacks,

Posted by: rmnkevorkian | April 26, 2009 8:39 PM

Yea, Jerry has done soooo well over the past decade+

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

The team added Dockery and 410 pound Mike Williams. Still holding out hope that Bugel was wrong about Rhinehart.

The Eagles now have the Andrews brothers, Jason Peters, and they drafted a couple of OL.

The Giants drafted OT Beatty.

The Cowboys even drafted an OT.

The Dead Snidely Skins nary an attempt.

Posted by: priestholmes | April 26, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

I change my mind about JLC. I used to think he is just a half-wit loser who is keeping his job based on the journalistic principle that trash sells well.

I don't think he is a half-wit loser anymore! I think he must be a quarter-eight-wit loser instead.

I guess being able to spin EVERY move negatively requires at least an eighth of the brain (in his case, very musshy brain)

FOJLC

Posted by: peaceful2008 | April 26, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

HAIL MY ASSSS

We did draft o-lineman last year

They drafted ONE linemen in the 3rd round and he has confidence issues.

Posted by: priestholmes | April 26, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

'...We had a good draft....'


A good draft usually comes in a tall frosted glass, has a satisfying bubbly white head sitting atop a some amber colored, refreshing beer.

What skins fans witnessed was the iggles, pats, texans, jints, mixing and matching and trading picks to get players to satistfy specific needs.

Some teams walked away with extra picks for next year, and others picked a nice selection 12 players who will do nothing but sit and study and learn how to be pro football players.

It was like watching two battling painters: an expert GM Da Vinci v. some Jasper Johns splatter guy in a burgandy n gold outfit who, like us fans, seemed to hope all his dribbling comes out to be fine art.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 26, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

where's my Beantown? I wanna hear his wait and see defense of this debacle.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 26, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

I'd have loved to draft Jason Smith too, but it ain't happening. For this year at least we have to hope the OLine can get a little healthier and some guys are going to have to step up no doubt. But to think every offensive lineman has to be a first day draft pick is wrong, look at the Giants, who many would agree has among the league's best offensive lines.

David Diehl, 160th overall 2003
Rich Seubert, Undrafted FA
Shaun O'Hara, Undrafted FA
Chris Snee, 34th overall 2004
Kareem McKenzie, 81st overall 2001

They have continuity and some guys who stepped up. If we can develop both of those, we may be able to improve for 2009. At least our DLine is looking good.

Posted by: AdamCr | April 26, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Theres talk that Cinci might now release Levi Jones. If so sign him and move him to ORT

Posted by: thehogs | April 26, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps fearing for his life behind our geriatric o-line will make him progress through his reads much faster.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 26, 2009

More likely it was to push him out, make him want to leave so that Snidely can salivate and spank over some new chick crack QB like Sanchez.

Posted by: priestholmes | April 26, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

The team added Dockery and 410 pound Mike Williams. Still holding out hope that Bugel was wrong about Rhinehart.

Posted by: priestholmes | April 26, 2009 8:48 PM

Williams was 375 when he was taken as a can't-miss #4 overall pick in 2002. His weight was never the issue, his health was. He had surgery on a herniated disk in his back a couple years ago.

If he is truly injury-free, he could easily be the best RT we have.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 26, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins are clearly using the "you need 3 years to judge a draft class" mentality, and telling themselves that the offensive improvement will have to come from LAST year's draft class. This year was all about the defense and special teams, with a possible offensive flier or two in the late rounds.

Been looking at highlight reels of Orakpo, and I must say if he can come close to translating his college game to the pros, this defense will be phenomenal.

Now, someone call MWash and get him back into camp.

Posted by: psps23 | April 26, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

I may start skipping the analysis because they are predictable as knowing bread will be stale if the sale by date was from anytime in 2005......

But I will takw a look at past 1st round drafts.

2004 - ST21 vs. K Winslow II

Winner - ST21

2005 - CR22 vs. Merriman

Winner - Undecided with slight advantage to Merriman (very slight).

20067 - Landry vs. Okoye

Winner - such a no brainer why do I even have to say.

2008 - Merling vs. 3 'pass catchers'

To early tp tell.

2009 - Orakpo vs. Oher

I don't care because I didn't like either before the draft equally....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 26, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Instead of pushing all the rest of my roulette money onto red OR black ... I'm pushing it all on PETE KENDALL.

He cost the Skins the 4th round pick (check my math ...), so lets get a 4th round pick's worth of performance out of him ... at least for a few games.

So does this mean Kareem Moore is depth charted as a safety? I'm thinking the Kevin Barnes choice is an honest way of calling for a mulligan on Tyron.

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Optimism: Our Defense is set. Our D-Line is scary good, possibly top in the league according to some guy with a microphone on NFL Network. Our Secondary got some needed depth with the Terp. The more I read about him the more I like. Our LB's.... got some depth, little more competition. Hopefully we can fill the SAM role. Offense: We really need #11 and #12 to step up to the plate. We got Dockery back (could invite his brother to try-out) and got a 410 former 1st rounder who was in Dock's guest room? (ok... that's really optimistic). Point is, we are better now than we were on Friday.

Posted by: sidkid31 | April 26, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the 4th QB in camp is going to be Chase Daniel out of Missouri

Posted by: CPortisRun | April 26, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm just listening to Vinny C's post draft PC and boy does he sound like a complete moron.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

I think JLC have some issues with Vinny or Dan or the whole Redskins nation. Whatever Redskin did, its always negative for him.
Get a proper Job! man..

Posted by: skinsMill | April 26, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

"I'm just listening to Vinny C's post draft PC and boy does he sound like a complete moron."

What's he saying, scamp?

Posted by: Alan4 | April 26, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

To all you offensive-line obsessed fans:

you assume that the success of the Redskins matters more to you (the fan) or the guy who has a billion dollar interest in this team?

you assume that the Redskins didn't draft an OL because of what? Snyder and Cerrato are trying to sabotage the offense for Zorn and Jason Campbell? (probably what Jason La Canfora thinks)?

This kind of thinking from the Redskins fans is negative, unnecessary and leads to the current environment at Washington Post, where sportswriters are competing with each other to see who can spew more venum on the Redskins.

Redskins have clearly lacked success that they had in 80's and early 90's. So what? many teams struggle for periods of time. Nobody wins the Superbowl every year except in Jason La Canforaville!

Posted by: peaceful2008 | April 26, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

The Oher comparison doesn't hold. Orakpo was LOTS higher on virtually everyone's board than Oher. That plus the fact the skins hadn't drafted a Dlineman on the FIRST DAY of the draft, let alone the first round, since 1997 made this a fine pick.

The real question that should be asked repeatedly is why no OTs were taken in the 3rd and 5th rounds. Clearly there was still quality there, and just as clearly the chosen picks are head scratchers.

I guess we should all just be happy that Snyder didn't have the chance to screw it up by getting Sanchez. Now if we could only protect the rest of the draft from this FO, perhaps we'd have something decent for once. Until then, we'll continue to go with the G-Force (G for Geriatric) Oline.

Posted by: ndickover | April 26, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: AdamCr | April 26, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Its not that every lineman has to be a first day pick, but it would have been nice to take any lineman.....I happen to not like either the round 1 or 3 picks, but I can understand the argument for them to an extent. But to take two linebackers that we could have signed as FAs tomorrow, the same thing with a TE (cause we really needed that btw), and a WR after you took two last year while some Olineman projected to go in the 3rd or higher fall in your lap in the 5th (Duke, Meredith etc.) and you don't take them in favor of guys you could get without even needing to use a pick is just unbelievably idiotic. I mean even if you don't particularly love them, take them and then sign the LBs you like after the draft. But there is no way in the world those guys we're "tops on the board" and if so, we have serious serious issues with whoever makes up the board.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 26, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Optimism: Our Defense is set. Our D-Line is scary good, possibly top in the league according to some guy with a microphone on NFL Network. Our Secondary got some needed depth with the Terp. The more I read about him the more I like.

Posted by: sidkid31 | April 26, 2009 8:58 PM |

I saw that hit by the Terp against that back from Cal and it was vicious.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Not sure why they didn't go OL at least in the 5th round. Guess the scouts had higher marks for who they picked. Be interesting to see who they pick up as UFA. Boone (Ohio State projected as RT), Williams (C at MD) and Dockery's little brother are still available.

Posted by: lifelongfan | April 26, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

I would have picked a guard in the fifth and an OLB in the third. Another OLB in the sixth. One wide receiver in the seventh and the CB in the seventh, yeah.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 26, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Reading comments -
Right now it looks R Thomas will be our 1st and 2nd down SAM.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 26, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm surprised no blog entry yet with the news we have signed Chase Daniel

Posted by: CPortisRun | April 26, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

peaceful2008, admitting mistakes is not venom. I live on the West Coast, and Raiders fans are every bit as rabid as Skins fans.

But fans and media both admit Al Davis is screwing up the team.

You must admit a problem before you can fix it, and the Skins have had problems on offense for the past 10 years or so.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 26, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

I like the Orakpo pick, the terp CB sounds like he's got a chance (FO realizing Tryon's a bust?), depth at LB is fine, why the hell do you draft a TE and a WR (although reading about the WR I think he could be interesting). No help to the OL at all? I realize they didn't have a ton of picks and to their credit didn't trade away any of next years picks but at least one OL prospect would've been nice. I hope they focus on FA OL's at least.

Posted by: skinswest | April 26, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

The draft seemed simple to me. Orakpo was a no brainer. Just that much better than Oher. A true stud. But after that the best suited OT at 3rd round. Then LBs that could play special teams. Barnes might have been there late (not that we needed him) but could have filed in with the special teamers.

But that is how I see it. We got one good pick. The rest compare to UDFAs. Neither need or quality of pick.

I might have complained if we got Loadholt in the 3rd, as being being big but not quick enough to pass protect, as it seems is our need. But mostly it is depressing. Dejected, wishing I was frustrated.

Posted by: chavez66 | April 26, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Not to mention the Williams guy we just picked up recently weighed in at 410 lbs and can't come to the first mini-camp as a result.

I'm having a hard time parsing that sentence.

Posted by: daggar | April 26, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Just for the record I'm okay with the first 2 picks. I would rather have had O line with one of 'em but oh well. The rest, well... we did need linebackers sooo...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

It was like watching two battling painters: an expert GM Da Vinci v. some Jasper Johns splatter guy in a burgandy n gold outfit who, like us fans, seemed to hope all his dribbling comes out to be fine art.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 26, 2009 8:51 PM

The problem for the Skins was that they were both painting on the same canvas at the same time.

2005 - Rogers > Merriman. Merriman will never be what he was. W/o the juice, the tires will continue to fall off, as his performance.

Agreed on 2004 (ST21), 2007 (Dirty 30), and 2009 (well, actually, I guess we have to see him play), but Merling instead of the three pass catchers is not even close, esp. given the non-rosiness of the outlook for the future (I'm more confident about the TE from Idaho and the 7th round WR from UNLV than any of the three pass catchers), and the fact that three pass catchers and no DEs meant that the Jason Taylor was a requirement rather than a luxury ... that just cost the team ALOT of draft power yesterday and today (2nd and 4th).

The allergy to offensive linemen over the past two days continues to irritate me, as does the thought process that adds a fourth TE and not getting a true free safety.

On that fourth TE, that is either disrespect for Todd Yoder (underrated TD maker who has become critical b/c of the problems on the right side of the line), an acknowledgment that Fred Davis was not who they thought he could/should be, or a death sentence for Mike Sellers on the roster (which, in the end, since that concussion where I thought he was dead, might be the OK outcome ... but I do love Mike Sellers).

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Vinny says the TE is a full back.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Damnation, the Panthers took my sleeper pick, Captain Munnerlyn from USC (the "ol' ball coach" USC, not the "nice catch, go grab a coed" USC).

I mean, c'mon, "There's Captain Munnerlyn running wild in the secondary!!!"

Posted by: daggar | April 26, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Not defending Vinny just sayin is all. I thought it was a lame a$$ pick.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

You can't solve two problems with one first round pick. The Skins took a very good defense end, one problem area hopefully addressed.

Posted by: cabraman | April 26, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Next year we will get a new Q-back whether we need one or not. This next season will tell.

After that we need a FS and a high OLB pick or a FA, one or the other.

2010 JANSEN will be gone. Maybe THOMAS as well. SAMUELS will be on the way out, and RINEHART must step up or be gone. DOCKERY will be hurt trying to cover for the failures on the right side of the line.

RABACH will be suspect without solid right guard play in 2009. THOMAS is the key this coming year. He will need a near PRO-BOWL season to carry HEYOR and WILLIAMS at RT. I don't think he can pull it off. But he's one tough dude. If anybody can it's RANDY.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 26, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

From RI: "This weekend, the Skins wasted no time in snagging Brian Orakpo when he was still available at No. 13, even though tackle Michael Oher had slipped to that spot and despite their need for an offensive tackle." Orakpo would not have dropped very far below 13, Oher dropped all the way to 23, so you could say it was a good choice based on what the rest of the teams were doing. There was something about Oher that skeerd teams off even though he was usually mentioned in the same breath as Smith, Smith and Monroe. The Truck (Alex Mack), an expected 2nd rounder, was picked ahead of him even though he graded out 5 points below him.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 26, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Not sure why they didn't go OL at least in the 5th round. Guess the scouts had higher marks for who they picked. Be interesting to see who they pick up as UFA. Boone (Ohio State projected as RT), Williams (C at MD) and Dockery's little brother are still available.

Posted by: lifelongfan | April 26, 2009 9:01 PM

Boone is a train wreck waiting to happen. All the makings of a great NFL tackle, all the attitude of Todd Sauerbrun.

What I'm waiting to hear is the story of how and why Duke Robinson (OG/Oklahoma) fell so far (late 4th round). Lots of mockeries pegged him as the top guard in the draft.

Also, peace2008, winning football starts with a solid offensive line. Its not about being a fan of a team, its about being a fan of the game. A great O-line can make a mediocre QB look good (Titans/Kerry Collins), a good O-line can make a very good QB take flight (Falcons/Matt Ryan). I will leave the name calling of and cursing at you to others.

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

They say Barnes scored a 41 on the Wonderlic and ran a sub 4.4 40. Skinny kid though.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Defensively they may be better. Offensively, they're treading water if not gotten worse.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 26, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

The team adds one of (if not the) best D-linemen in the league and the best pass rusher in the draft, loses no one of consequence from the defense, and you say they MAY be better on defense??? Talk about damning with faint praise . . . .

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 26, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

You can't solve two problems with one first round pick. The Skins took a very good defense end, one problem area hopefully addressed.

Posted by: cabraman | April 26, 2009 9:12 PM

Crabman - amen, dude. How's the squarepants dude?

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 26, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

The fact that Oher lasted until #23 says something. Orakpo was the right pick. Good job, Snyderatto. But, why didn't Skins use #3 or #5 on OL? There were plenty of good OL prospects available; a bunch were selected in rounds 3-5 by teams that draft much better than the Skins do. I just don't understand the draft strategy beyond Orakpo. Do they think they're not very thin on the OL? Are they giving up on CB they drafted last year? With Wilson and Orakpo playing OLB at times and with Blades, do we really need 2 more LBs?

Posted by: chris_zz | April 26, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Duke Robinson was also available at #13.


I like Duke Robinson. I especially liked the whooshing sound he made as he dropped down the draft board.

Posted by: daggar | April 26, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

First FA signing an O-lineman? No-o-o-o. How about another Q-back? CHASE DANIEL.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 26, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

You can't solve two problems with one first round pick. ...

Posted by: cabraman | April 26, 2009 9:12 PM

Yes you can and the Skins did ... strong side LB/third down DE ... Skins just replaced Jason Taylor and Marcus Washington.

Skins now have the personnel to run a legitimate package with a 3-4 front. Daniels-Haynesworth-Carter in front of Rocky-Blades-Fletcher-Orakpo.

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Vinny says we didn't go after O line because of 410 lb. Mike Williams and that it's time for people like Heyer and Rinehardt to step up. Plus the guys they wanted weren't there or weren't worth it.
I agree it's time for some of these trainees to step up nut M. Williams? Nothing more than an experiment.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Looks like we signed Chase Daniel as a UDFA..

http://twitter.com/ChaseDaniel

Posted by: SantanaClaus89 | April 26, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

chris_zz:

Well, if they're not giving up on MOORE and TRYON they should. And I think this year's CB pick is too slow!!!!

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 26, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Canfora is right, and totally so, this time.
Posted by: MistaMoe | April 26, 2009 8:15 PM |
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At this point everyone is "right" in their analysis, because the team hasn't played one game of the 2009 season yet.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 26, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

and you say they MAY be better on defense???

Okay, should be better.

I can't predict who'll go down and who'll be a bust.

They still need linebacker help - none of these draft guys will be anything more than a special teamer - and who's the third corner? Smoot?

And c'mon, Orakpo will be a pass rushing specialist. No rookies play three downs their first year.

Yeah, they'll be better and one hopes, able to take the ball away.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 26, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

chris_zz:

Well, if they're not giving up on MOORE and TRYON they should. And I think this year's CB pick is too slow!!!!

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 26, 2009 9:24 PM |

Then your not paying attention. The CB ran a sub 4.4 40 and Moore looked pretty good. Now Tryon? Cut him loose.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

We also signed OT Scott Burley from UMD...

Posted by: SantanaClaus89 | April 26, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

I like Duke Robinson. I especially liked the whooshing sound he made as he dropped down the draft board.

Posted by: daggar | April 26, 2009 9:21 PM

A cool name can only get you so far, as Capt. Munnerlyn discovered.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 26, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

dcsween:

Yes they do, but will they? Maybe they're planning a flex defense between a traditional 4-3 and a hybrid 3-4 where they set in the 3-4 arrangement and shift out before the snap using ORAKPO as a swingman depending on the offensive set and motion.....

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 26, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: hokiesmokie | April 26, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

where are you seeing these santanaclause?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Not to mention the Williams guy we just picked up recently weighed in at 410 lbs and can't come to the first mini-camp as a result.

Posted by: DCinSD | April 26, 2009 8:24 PM

Can't come? Why not? Can't wedge himself into a front loader? Dude could always roll into Redskin Park.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 26, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

I've looked into my crystal ball and have decided I can save Beantown the wait and see period, results of the Redskins 2009 Draft:

Orakpo - Similar career to LaVar, 5 shining years but really out of place as a true linebacker so take over next year for Carter at RDE spends most of his time taking on olineman and eventually breaks down sooner than you would think because he lacks the true bulk to play DE.

Barnes - Solid depth corner, nothing special, nothing too bad, ends up being what Tryon should have been and Tryon ends up cut. Decent player, little bit of a reach for a 3rd pick.

the 5th and 6th linbackers - one makes the team one doesn't, neither lasts in the league for more than two seasons

7th - TE = Tyler Ecker hangs around on IR and the PUP a year or two thanks to his knee surgery then finally cut after providing nothing.

7th - WR = Practice squad player

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 26, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

who knows on the 7th rounders. has anyone actually seen them to be so emotional about this?? if the fb has skills but is hurt a bit, let's stash him on the PUP list. the WR from Nevada seems to have good physical stats, but who the f knows? If he turns around and we luck into a Colston-type (i can dream, can't I?), who will still be whining we didn't draft OLs in the 7th? I think the best scenario for him is practice squad and give him a legit shot next year if Devin or Malcolm don't perform.

Posted by: AdamCr | April 26, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Well even though they didn't address the OL this weekend I'm pretty stoked to see their defense. You add Haynesworth and Orakpo to the last year's 4th ranked defense? I can't wait. The NFC East will be the nastiest division again.

Posted by: skinswest | April 26, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

dcsween:

Not what I read. 4.56 is what I GOOGLED. If he's a legit 4.40 than a good pick 'cause I definitely think we need a fourth CB.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 26, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

7th - WR = Practice squad player

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 26, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I said that last year about Horton and was dead wrong so who knows about these guys they may be players yet.

Posted by: skinswest | April 26, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

chris_zz:

MOORE strictly make or break this year. He only show in some sets. I think we'll need to revisit FS in 2010 draft and a high pick. Time will tell there.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 26, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

I am very happy with our first pick but I am a little disappointed that we didn't get an offensive lineman. I guess Mike Williams could play guard, but the jury is still out. We didn't get any young lineman to develop and from what I read as analysis on the linebackers, they are both projects and special teams types. At least we didn't trade any of next year's picks. B-

Posted by: HogInCharlotte | April 26, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Hey, we drafted KEENAN McCARDELL in the seventh in '91 if I remember correctly. Took a while and a couple of teams, but he turned out. I'm up for the grab here. Not tight end/fullback though. That's aimed at CARTWRIGHT or SELLERS, MIKE being the obvious choice.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 26, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

For all of the Offensive Line cry babies, what line do you think they get to practice against now? Should be one heck of a DL, so wouldn't that make OL better? Plus a short field is a lot easier to play with. Defense wins championships! C'mon stop ragging the OL problems. Our defense is going to be UNREAL this year. Any QB would love to get the field position that we should be able to give them. Jason Campbell should be licking his chops now, especially with a contract year coming up, he should be able to pull a Haynesworth and go for the big money! Go Skins! Be Happy people! Would you rather have Sanchez? I bet he would love to be here instead of the Jets. Good luck up there even Farve could not save them.

Posted by: Aivdivad | April 26, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

I don't know why anyone should be surprised about any of these choices. Isn't it clear to everyone, by this point, that Vinny and Dan have no clue and no guiding philosophy on how to build a team? That should be abundantly clear to everyone. They jump back and forth between philosophies from year to year; they draft players that don't fit their coaches system; they are seduced by other teams talent and fail to value their own. Their pursuit and Cutler and Sanchez and resulting mistreatment of JC is equivalent to a keystone cop routine. If it weren't so sad, I would be laughing.

Posted by: dwill2 | April 26, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Anybody who agrees with JLC, deserves him!

I am just sad that Tony K no longer writes for the Post. He was fair, critical when needed, congratulary when applicable. JLC and Wilbon make me sick with their consistent venum.

Posted by: peaceful2008 | April 26, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Add another UDFA signing... So far we have

QB Chase Daniel
OL Scott Burley
DE Derek Walker

Posted by: SantanaClaus89 | April 26, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Detroit's 7th round picks:

Lydon Murtha OT 6'7" 306 Nebraska 4.89 40.

Zack Follett OLB 6'2" 236 California 4.75 40 time.

Dan Gronkowski TE 6'6" 255 Maryland 4.68 40 time.

Posted by: chavez66 | April 26, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

I believe the redskins saw how the pittsburg steelers won a superbowl without an o-line not taking anything from big ben and the offense however offense brings ratings but defense wins championships pitts d took them to the sb by making big plays on defense something we lack on defense.. we have a great defense but can't make the big plays when we need to and then we expect jc and the offense to win the game (mind you this is the 3rd offense scheme in the last 4 yrs)... so do we need a young o-line? of course we do but we have an offense that i believe this year is gonna be really really good and with jc with a BIG chip on his shoulder the skys are the limits.. so this draft i really like it even though we had only 5 picks.. in my opinion we used them well we got a playmaker in brian orakpo who is a freak of nature and will make big plays alongside albert haynesworth on the d-line our lb crew is pretty solid we got the kid from nebraska who coverted to lb after being a running back and wow the scouts @ the combine then for our secondary is pretty solid. we pick up cb barnes from md and he is a hard hitting corner and we can use him in the nickle package... we havent had a playmaker since sean taylor so picking orakpo is a smart move i like ol michael ohor but we need a pass rusher and a playmaker..... redskins fans we got both in brian orakpo and kevin barnes

Posted by: Redskins17 | April 26, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

"Footwork is important for any offensive linemen. It can be the difference between blocking an opponent or getting beat by him. Excellent footwork is one of Murtha's strengths." from Detroit's web site. They also go on about him playing hockey and placing 3rd in state for the shotput.

Him and Gronkowski are so big and quick
that it is like drafting Calvin Johnson in relative proportions. All in the 7th round!

Heyer to me is a scab. Till he proves otherwise Jansen is better. The only exception is mobility. A few decades back and Jansen would have lost his leg with the injury he had. That is the redeming thought to the Skins not drafting a OT. A sense of loyalty. Still Zorn wanted to start Heyer despite his obvious deficiency in the run game.

The Skins could use a blocking TE, they seem to have 3 pass catchers and drafted another undersized pass catcher. They jumped on a Maryland CB with their second pick but a 6'6" TE with a 4.68 40 from Maryland didn't interest them?

The two of them could have been ideal for depth on the O-line with strengths in footwork and pass protection. Even Gronkowski might have converted to tackle or Murtha converted to TE. Either way right.

Posted by: chavez66 | April 26, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Dear Redskins 17,

Your kind of positive comment does not belong here on the JLC dungeon. Here, you are supposed to childishly whine about any and all Redskins decisions with absolute certaintly and you need to use obscenities guided at the Redskins front office.

Posted by: peaceful2008 | April 26, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

One of these other teams that took 2 or three O-linemen will cut somebody that we can use for depth. Like Todd Wade or Runyan, etc. I assume Vinny can pull something together.

We can get young across the o-line next year. Where...drum roll...we currently have ALL of our picks!

Posted by: DownTownClown | April 26, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

To anyone from the redskins front office if they are reading this:

Thank you for the work you put in. Do not be discouraged by the trashy journalism practiced by their new Diva, Jason LaCanfora. Jason has greatly suffered from being a loser all his life and now is taking it out on you.

Thank you Mr. Snyder for doing your best to put together a good team and hopefully your efforts will payoff soon. You seem to be learning from your earlier mistakes. Thank you for not mortgaging the team's future to draft an OK QB (Sanchez)


Posted by: peaceful2008 | April 26, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

so do we need a young o-line? of course we do but we have an offense that i believe this year is gonna be really really good and with jc with a BIG chip on his shoulder the skys are the limits.. so this draft i really like it even though we had only 5 picks.
Posted by: Redskins17 | April 26, 2009

Your kind of positive comment does not belong here on the JLC dungeon. Here, you are supposed to childishly whine about any and all Redskins decisions with absolute certaintly and you need to use obscenities guided at the Redskins front office.

Posted by: peaceful2008 | April 26, 2009

The Priest thinks you two, most especially Mr. Peacefulness, been smoking some of that der "chick crack" that good ol' Dan the flim flam man Snyder favors.

First, Pittsburgh had an older, veteran line previous to last year. They decided to go young, very, very young. It was risky but turned out to be a good move. You aren't comparing apples with apples, instead its apples and oranges when you compare the Steelers to the Redskins. They have two excellent young tackles. Their center is a bit on the old side now yet still younger than Casey Rabach. The guard play was a bit suspect at times last year. So, this year they drafted Kent Urbik. That should improve the line and while keeping its youth.

What did that buy them in the end? 16 games where the members of the line were healthy enough to complete every practice, and play in every game. Unlike the Redskins where 4 to 5 guys had injuries. There one draft pick, Rhinehart, did not practice well enough to play at either the tackle or guard position so instead they threw another undrafted free agent, Geisinger in against the Ravens and Terrell Suggs, In one play our QB was sacked and could have been injured and Geisinger ended the season on injured reserve. That is very NOT GOOD. This did not happen to the Steelers. Yes, there were sacks, mistakes mostly at the guard position. But eventually they learned to play together (this was a new line) so that by the playoffs they were a pretty solid unit. And so ended up in the Superbowl. Yes, the defense was good. Not as good as the Ravens, so the offense had to be good enough to be better than the Ravens. It was. Ben still had an awful lot of interceptions last year and too many sacks. But the line is young and it will improve. While the Redskins offensive line which completely collapsed last year due to both age and injury will continue to dramatically decline. So, there is a huge difference between the two situations.

Posted by: peaceful2008

Posted by: priestholmes | April 26, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

LET'S GO OSACKPO!!!

Posted by: paperwc | April 26, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

This draft overall was horrible. Orakpo is a guy you have to take at 13 since he dropped to you but besides that, it was awful.

Our team's greatest deficiency was OL last year and injuries along the line have been our downfall for the last several seasons. So what do we do? Draft 0 offensive lineman. That's Z-E-R-O.

Brilliant. Here is my Redskins draft:

(13) DE Brian Orakpo
(80) OT Troy Kropog
(158) OG Duke Robinson
(186) C A.Q. Shipley
(221) RB Rashad Jennings
(243) WR Quan Cosby

Posted by: fpickering | April 26, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

To help Washington Post I am going to write the next JLC article on the Redskins! To respect player privacy, I will not use their actual names:

Next Article about Redskins 2009 Draft, By Jason La Canfora

Redskins drafted player X, but every other team in the league says that they should have drafted player Y. Also the Redskins drafted player Z for position A. Redskins apparently lied because we thought they are going to draft player A for position Z.

One unknown NFL source tells me that somebody whom we don't know has said that Redskins called player J last night. Player J says he got "no call from no body". Our source says that The Redskins should have instead called player I since the later I comes before letter J in English alphabet.

Redskins seem not to understand that players whose names start with a J usually stink in the NFL accoding to the above non-existent source.

Also, the Redskins have been feeding their new draft picks too much meat. According to a very top secret source, one of the Redskins scouts has been seen at Costco, buying 20 pounds of porterhouse. Why can't the Redskins be like other teams in the NFL who prefer chicken?

On another useless topic, I would like to report that my insider source at Redskins park believes that yabadabadoo is tip top in other NFL teams but here the Redskins yabadabadoo is half-tip top.

Posted by: peaceful2008 | April 26, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Orakpo... dreamy isn't he? Rush End? He benches 515! Lacks pass coverage skills? I'd like to see him run with Landry and Portis. The rest has got to be coachable.

Posted by: chavez66 | April 26, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Our team's greatest deficiency was OL last year and injuries along the line have been our downfall for the last several seasons. So what do we do? Draft 0 offensive lineman. That's Z-E-R-O.

Brilliant. Here is my Redskins draft:

(13) DE Brian Orakpo
(80) OT Troy Kropog
(158) OG Duke Robinson
(186) C A.Q. Shipley
(221) RB Rashad Jennings
(243) WR Quan Cosby

Posted by: fpickering | April 26, 2009 10:59 PM
________________________________________
And 1 maybe 2 of your players would make the roster!!!

Robinson is not as good as Rinehart. Shipley, while I'm a fan, is just too small with short arms and will be developmental, Jennings adds absolutly nothing we don't already have and can't play ST's and you saw the pic of Quan Cosby is 5'8, do we really need another small receiver! He wouldn't make this team because nothing about him stands out. At least the kid from Nevada is big and long and may be able to develop into a red zone threat if he builds upper body strength. Lastly, Kropog will not make the roster for Tenn but you would have taken a 4th round pick in the 3rd round.

Glad you're not in the war room.

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | April 26, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

The current starting Redskins O-Line is good enough for Colt Brennan, so it should definitely be good enough for Jason Campbell. I agree with the FO in that Jason's decision processes and reads are slow and that most of the sacks could have been avoided with some confident throws (Which would have resulted in either more TDs or INTs, but at least the attempts were worth risking to improve confidence later). Instead, the mediocrity that JC prefers is what will ultimately be his down fall. Why have a strong arm if you are not going to use it? Anyway, this is put up or shut up season for JC. Good luck to him, but I have a feeling that Colt will have a say in the final decision.

Posted by: JohnWWW | April 26, 2009 11:48 PM | Report abuse

SKINS JUST SIGN CHASE DANIELS FROM MIZZU

Posted by: Redskins17 | April 27, 2009 12:51 AM | Report abuse

Looking forward to the waiver wire at the end of pre-season. Looks like the Redskins are looking for experienced linemen.

Posted by: RedCherokee | April 27, 2009 3:39 AM | Report abuse

Drifting through the nation’s sports blogs in the wake of the draft, one thing seems clear – most of us root for NFL clubs managed by hopeless idiots.

In foggy SF, the cry is, why, with nine beautiful, shining picks, didn’t we take even ONE OT or pass rusher (main needs).

In Baltimore, it’s ‘we traded up for a freaking tackle? I thought we already rebuilt the damn line. Who’s gonna catch the ball, Bisciotti?”

In Dallas, they’re wondering (that’s a mild word for it) why there weren’t WRs or Ots among those 11, count them, 11 picks.

The Jints’ fans are happy about getting a WR, of course, although not the first round pick, but that huge kid Barden. Not that he’ll be as good as Plax, mind you, but at least he can occupy Plax’s old spot at the back in the team picture. Outside of that, they wonder: where’s the defensive backfield?

By the way, the Jets fans seem equally divided about Sanchez. They’re just happy the team is thinking about signing Burress.

Philly fans, on the other hand, seem to like the uncharacteristic swing to offense, as well as the surprise trade for Ellis Hobbs. They like but are suspicious of Maclin and McCoy.

Among the league’s bottom feeders, fans are quite skeptical of Cleveland choices, and convinced that KC’s seventh rounder, K Kevin Succop, was selected purely because of his name.

One thing unites all NFL fans: their strong response to the Redskins' latest draft.

To a man, it's "who cares about the f****** Redskins?"

Posted by: Samson151 | April 27, 2009 5:54 AM | Report abuse

I like the first pick but they missed alot of oppotunities.They could have had guard Duke Robinson in the 5th round.He is projected as capable of starting if needed in Carolina.Also bypassing Victor Harris of Va Tech was a huge mistake.The dude makes plays all over the field and can even return punts.This reminds me of when they took those three guys in the second round last year and bypassed eddie royal who became a star reciever for Denver.I'm not sure these guys no what the heck they are doing!At least they took Orakpo and maybe now we will have a pass rush.I was scared to death they would trade away a boatload of picks for Sanchez.

Posted by: ttribbett | April 27, 2009 7:13 AM | Report abuse

I am very happy they took Orakpo instead of Sanchez. I would have like to see them pick up Duke Robinson in the fifth also. I dont understand the TE and WR at the end either, but at least we didnt trade any picks from next year, so I am basically happy.

Posted by: Redskins001 | April 27, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

@ 6-2StackMonster

Really? I think we all know that Orakpo will make the team. That's one. Also, given our lack of OT, Kropog would be a keeper. He just needs to get stronger and he can do that here. That's two.
Robinson, has the physical tools but just suffers from lapses in concentration. Sound familiar? (Ahem... Derek Dockery) Three.
You display your ignorance on the comment about Rinehart. No one knows how good Rinehart is unless you are part of the coaching staff. All we know is that he could not make it onto the field over a struggling Geisinger who got manhandled. Bugel did not have much good to say about him at the end of last season although he could pan out with work.

Shipley is a question mark but what 6th round pick isn't? Give me a break. Shipley outweighs our current C by about 20 lbs. How is he too small again? Yeah, I heard on the NFL draft broadcast that he had short arms too, do you have any insight of your own on the matter? I suppose you think that a guy who was drafted to play special teams was a better pick? We don't have a backup C. What if Rabach got hurt?

Jennings and Cosby are nothing but fliers.
Plus, they are 7th rounders. Get a grip.

Just for some reference, last year my draft looked like this:

(34) CB Brandon Flowers (starter in KC)
(48) DE Calias Campbell (starter in AZ)
(51) WR Limas Sweed (#3 WR in PIT)
(96) OT Anthony Collins (starter in CIN)
(124) QB John David Booty (clipboard guy)
(168) CB DeJuan Tribble
(186) DT Ahtybs Rubin
(242) WR Marcus Monk
(249) OG Kerry Brown

Posted by: fpickering | April 27, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Nice to have taken a local guy in the draft, but Barnes was a reach at No. 3. Not to mention CB was not a need position for us. I'd like to have seen at least one OT picked who could have competed for playing time this year. Don't see Mike Williams unseating Heyer or Jansen. People who are ripping JLC should note that everyone on this blog was asking for the Skins to draft O-Lineman, but we did nothing in this area to upgrade at RT.

If the line's play declines or worse, suffers another round of injuries, then JC's development will be stunted and the team's offense will not be any better. I like the Orakpo pick and still can't believe how Vinny wasted a No. 2 on Taylor who played here one season. That pick could have been a starter this season on the O-Line.

Posted by: wizfan89 | April 27, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

And I honestly think most people at Redskins Park (maybe not Dan Snyder) are relieved that Jason Campbell will quarterback the team for another season. Call me crazy, but I'd like to see what he can do in the second season of the Jim Zorn era.


Posted by: priestholmes
He wont do much if he doesn't get significantly better protection from the O line. I can live with Orapko, if Oher hadn't been available I would have much more excited. But picks 3 and 5 should have been O lineman, specifically an OT. I understand the value CB pick at 3, and he may turn out to be a good player, but with O line problems like ours, we can't afford that luxury; we had our "value" pick at 13 in the first.

Posted by: kenboy1 | April 27, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Folks here seriously need to stop attacking JLC. It's not his fault our team is run by a two-headed nincompoop.

I liked the pick of Orakapu, also would have liked the pick of Oher. If you folks bothered to read, what JLC was saying is that he would have gone the other way and will evaluate this draft the same way that we might evaluate other drafts, by looking at the other folks we could have taken and how they perform in the coming years.

I think that's a fair way to do it and at the top of the draft board, I think that the Skins have done an alright job. I will however say that the pick of Rogers over Shawn Merriman was idiotic. There's ZERO question unless you have on some serious burgundy colored glasses that Merriman has been better thus far by leaps and bounds. The one other issue I have with this draft is that we picked no offensive lineman and we desperately need them. Even in the 7th round cause seriously, I think we can all agree we have enough TE's and WR's right now.

Posted by: rawk | April 27, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

The pick that burns me is #5 -- Duke Robinson was projected by most experts as the #1 OG, and expected to go in the 2nd round. There he was, a perfect low-cost choice to add young depth at RG and fill in for Randy Thomas when he can't play (now a yearly expectation.) What is this STUPID prejudice the Skins FO has against drafting OLs???

Posted by: pyrotech | April 27, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

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