Snyder, Cerrato, Zorn Meet the Press

From the pre-draft press conference featuring Redskins owner Daniel Snyder, executive vice-president Vinny Cerrato and Coach Jim Zorn:

Cerrato: "There's a possibility we'll do three things on Saturday: trade up, stay back or stay the same [at 13]. ... It's a decent draft. Probably not as good as last year but there's quality there. I think there's depth throughout the draft."

Cerrato: "At 13, there'll be a good football player. There'll be someone who could come in and start at 13."

Cerrato: "When youre sitting at 13 you're kind of reacting to what happens the first 12. If something crazy happens, you react to that. Kind of like last year. We really didn't know and Atlanta called at the last minute. You dont know until you're on the clock."

Cerrato on the possibility of moving into the top five for a shot at a marquee QB: "I think anything is possible. It's just what you're willing to give up."

Zorn: "From my perspective, I'm not talking different things to different people. With Jason [Campbell], we are going full speed. He is being handled every bit like he's our starting quarterback in word and deed."

Zorn on the possibility of selecting a defensive player: "Every indication is that Phillip Daniels is going to fully recover and be part of our program this year. That doesn't mean that if someone is sitting out there glaring" that you wouldn't select him.

Zorn on evaluating USC QB Mark Sanchez: "I'd rather wait to talk about any player evaluation I might have on a guy who's not even on our roster."

Cerrato on having only one pick in the first 79 because they traded their second-round pick for defensive end Jason Taylor: "It is what it is. We made a trade last year with our second-round pick. We wish Jason [Taylor] would have stayed healthy, but it is what it is."

Snyder on moving up or down: "In terms of willingness to go up or down in the draft, we're always flexible. We'll have to see what happens Saturday."

Snyder on the draft process: "You just have to be patient. It takes a long time to get there [to complete the draft process]. We do all this work and then it's hurry up and wait."

Zorn on Sanchez's scant starting experience: "I think it's a factor in his positioning, if you will. That's why we do take a lot of time to study each player."

Snyder: "There are players every year that are the consensus 'hot guy' with the media and throughout the league, but really what interests me more is the work of the scouts and coaches and Vinny's group that they put in throughout the year than just the hot guy."

And, lastly, with all the major moves Snyder has made (signing Albert Haynesworth, DeAngelo Hall and Derrick Dockery), he views this draft as the final piece of the offseason improvement plan: "Obviously, we were disappointed with some of our late-season games last year. We got close [to the playoffs]. We got beaten up with some of the injuries, but thats no excuse. I look forward to us improving. We're trying to do what we can to win. I'm always going to be aggressive. I didn't buy the team as an investment. I'm trying to win Super Bowls."

By Jason Reid  |  April 22, 2009; 2:02 PM ET
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First?

Posted by: CTSkins | April 22, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like these clowns are trying to get the JETS to move up. Could they have finally learned?

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 22, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

That should clear things up for everyone.

Posted by: CTSkins | April 22, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Truth, got beeped last time

Our Defense was not great. Solid but we didnt create enough Havoc

Also, I would not call ben great. He had worse stats than JC yes? Lower Rating, more ints, a few more TD's?

He played great in the 2nd half of the SB, but the sun shines on a dogs ass every once in a while.

So i think that comparison was weak.

Posted by: Zeebs | April 22, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

And thank you DL;

That sums it up perfectly.

I am not sold on JC. But it doesnt make sense to go QB. What would be the point?> Didnt we just draft a WC style QB in the 6th round last year who broke every record in college.

I would say I would rather start Brennan than Draft Sanchez...

Posted by: Zeebs | April 22, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

"Also, I would not call ben great. He had worse stats than JC yes? Lower Rating, more ints, a few more TD's? He played great in the 2nd half of the SB, but the sun shines on a dogs ass every once in a while. So i think that comparison was weak.
Posted by: Zeebs"

Roethlisberger's not a stats guy. Coincidentally, neither wsa Terry Bradshaw.

Big Ben wins a lot of games though. In his first Super Bowl, he basically turned a wretched game into a stirring last second victory. In the second SB, he won the game for them. Kurt Warner was tearing up the Steeler defense in the fourth.

Very few QBs I'd rather have running my team with five minutes left in a close contest.

And his line isn't very good at blocking for the pass.

I'd hope any of the Skins QBs would be that good.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 22, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

"“The front office may have actually done the right thing by not extending his contract yet. It is now totally up to him and how he performs in the 2009 season before a decision should be warranted whether to keep him around or not. If he plays well and shows further improvement, yeah re-sign the guy. If he sjk’s the bed, then seeya later.”

Most everyone up here roots for the uniform, not the player. In JC’s and CP’s case those of us “arguing” to keep them around say so for many reasons; other greater needs, JC should get one more year, let’s see what they can do behind a better O-line, etc. Not because of a blind fanboy mancrush. Get over it. We all loved Rypien in 91, but when he started throwing grounders to the wideouts, we all knew it was time to go. "


the thing is, I agree with everyone from the first paragraph. I never said anything other than all that. But the little difference is that I haven't been very impressed with JC and yall apparently have(?). Hell I dunno what yall see. I can look at his stats or his tape and show you a QB that is decent at best. Will he get better? Maybe.

My point is if our whole FO is sold on Sanchez being the guy and they think he can immediately step in and lead this team to the playoffs - go for it. Will Sanchez? I don't know. My guess would be no. But I have a hunch JC isn't our guy and I think our FO might have that same hunch.

Either way, we could have Sanchez, Campbell, Collins, or Cutler as our starting QB for our first game and I think we'll probably have the same result.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 22, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

That should clear things up for everyone.

Posted by: CTSkins | April 22, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

LOL!

Posted by: BMACattack | April 22, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Jason, did any media schlubs ask how Dan and Vinny can keep ignoring the lines year after year and expect to be competitive? If so, what was the response?

Did anyone ask why they don't follow the blueprint of successful teams like the Patriots, Ravens, Giants and Steelers, who by and large build through the drafts and make linemen a high priority?

Posted by: keithward64 | April 22, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

"I didn't buy the team as an investment. I'm trying to win Super Bowls." That quote is the biggest lie ive heard since Nixon was in office. This guy is jus plain stupid. How hard is it to copy what Pitts, Colts, Pats and Giants do? Pileup draft picks and draft football players not great athletes. Cerrato said "It is what it is" which means we blew it on JT. Im a lifelong fan but I have no faith in our management. I dont how we even manage to go 8-8 almost every year as they continue to screw this team year in and year out.

Posted by: genx1015 | April 22, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Damn good point keithward.

Yes, Jason, any of you hard-hitting sports journalists hammering the Redskins FO with these questions?

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 22, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Either way, we could have Sanchez, Campbell, Collins, or Cutler as our starting QB for our first game and I think we'll probably have the same result.

Posted by: TheTruth11

Right. I want to see what JC can do with a good team around him. Whoever won a SB without that?

Posted by: skinfanman | April 22, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

"I didn't buy the team as an investment. I'm trying to win Super Bowls." That quote is the biggest lie ive heard since Nixon was in office. This guy is jus plain stupid. How hard is it to copy what Pitts, Colts, Pats and Giants do? Pileup draft picks and draft football players not great athletes. Cerrato said "It is what it is" which means we blew it on JT. Im a lifelong fan but I have no faith in our management. I dont how we even manage to go 8-8 almost every year as they continue to screw this team year in and year out.

Posted by: genx1015 | April 22, 2009 4:17 PM

Did he buy 6 Flags so he could ride the roller coaster?

Posted by: skinfanman | April 22, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Trying to win superbowls???? By overpaying and mortgaging your team depth for unproven or over-the-hill players? I agree, I would be willing to bet Sanchez is not better than Colt Brennan. Build strong lines through the draft, if JC can't get it done this year, give Colt a try, if after two years Colt doesn't show promise Draft a QB next year or the year after. Drafting Sanchez would be a horrible decsision.

Posted by: hakimallen | April 22, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

"Cerrato: 'It's a decent draft. Probably not as good as last year but there's quality there. I think there's depth throughout the draft.'"

given the magic Vinny performed last year, this statement had the feel of someone walking on my grave

Posted by: mdrockjock | April 22, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Was there just another thread (same one as this, but with updates ... and about 90 comments) that got eaten by Loseable Type?

Posted by: dcsween | April 22, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

"“The front office may have actually done the right thing by not extending his contract yet. It is now totally up to him and how he performs in the 2009 season before a decision should be warranted whether to keep him around or not. If he plays well and shows further improvement, yeah re-sign the guy. If he sjk’s the bed, then seeya later.”

given Danny's behavior, i suspect JC's gone after this season, regardless of his performance. if he stinks out the place, he'll be tossed. if he has a Peyton Manning breakout year, if i were him, i'd tell Danny to stick any contract offer where the sun doesn't shine.

Posted by: mdrockjock | April 22, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

"I didn't buy the team as an investment. I'm trying to win Super Bowls."
______________________

Hmm then maybe you should think of it as an investment, so you can actually succeed like you did with Snyder Communications.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 22, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Poof, the magic eraser lives in DC ...yada, yada, you know the tune. Can't think of a word that ryhmes with loseable.

Posted by: will_ga | April 22, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Skins Fans!
Quoting thetruth11:"Most everyone up here roots for the uniform, not the player"
I do not agree with that, most fans appreciate a hard working player, and in some cases; fall in love. Recently what about Seaun Taylor, did we just love No 21 jersey or the phenom whose life was sadly caught short?
Hail!

Posted by: abxinc | April 22, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Vinny, there were some good picks in last year's draft, you just didn't get any. Find another job and take Danny boy with you.

Posted by: Bean1 | April 22, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Nothing more useless than a pre-draft press conference, every year, every team. I don't see them trading up for Sanchez, but who knows. Get a good player and move on. Way too much hype over this process.
In the top 15 picks of the draft, historically, a team has roughly a 60% chance of selecting a player that will start for at least six seasons. Then past that, only 1 in 4 picks this high ever see all-pro status.

Take a breath people. No matter who is selected, it'll take at least three years to know what type of player he is.
Orakpo could be too injury riddled to ever play consistantly. Sanchez could be way thrown off by the speed of the NFL, he only played 16 games in college. Andre Smith could gain too much weight and be out of the league in 4 years.

Posted by: showell81 | April 22, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Here's the thing people...

Wynn and Daniels can not be full time LDEs anymore. There needs to be a big rotation and an injection of youth.

We will not be drafting this high for the forseeable future. With that you get the LDE replacemet NOW.

That would be Tyson Jackson or Ayers. You can OLB in later rounds. You can get RT in later rounds.

So, I have narrowed down the Redskins BIG THREE to Curry, Jackson, and Ayers in no particular order.

If y'all can't see this, then I don't know what to see.

PROCESS!

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 22, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I'm not crazy about the skins trading up but if it was for Curry, a DE or OT I'd get over it. Sanchez not so much. At least not this year.

Posted by: skinswest | April 22, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

If you believe that snyder and cerrato know what they were doing you could say they are trying to ensure someone ahead of them takes sanchez leaving more OT and DE available to choose from, but this is snyder and cerrato we are talking about. Lets not give them to much credit yet....we have seen stupid things in the past.

Posted by: Redskins001 | April 22, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

READ THIS PETER KING:

"Snyder: "There are players every year that are the consensus 'hot guy' with the media and throughout the league, but really what interests me more is the work of the scouts and coaches and Vinny's group that they put in throughout the year than just the hot guy."

"

He is USING YOU!

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 22, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Was there just another thread (same one as this, but with updates ... and about 90 comments) that got eaten by Loseable Type?
Posted by: dcsween | April 22, 2009

Yeah, a couple of mine, I said Everette Brown looks better for our needs as an edge pass rusher than big bull rusher Tyson Jackson.
He's only a junior , but had 13.5 sacks, most games had tackles for a loss...Though watching double-teamed bull Tyson, he wouldn't be too bad a selection..

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/playerDetail.jsp?yr=2008&org=234&player=99

Posted by: frak | April 22, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

agree totally with truth...haven't posted in forever.....coaching and qb ...teams that are well mananaged on and off the field are the teams that are in the hunt year after year...you know like we were back in the day...spoiled us all, now we are a total mess...big year for jc and zorn, they either do it (make the playoffs)or they are done....of course that might be mute for jc and perhaps zorn too with a move up sanchez deal, setting up a run at shannahan or cowher in 2010...i just hope as always we find players who can play ..we need more talent just about everywhere.....root for the uniforms...

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | April 22, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I doubt A. Smith would gain too much weight and go out of the league in 4 years with Samuels here. After all if your "minigod" played on your team, would you not emulate him and his work ethic. Of all things Samuels is, I doubt it's a fat lazy slob, and this kid wants to emulate him to the fullest.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | April 22, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Snyder: "There are players every year that are the consensus 'hot guy' with the media and throughout the league, but really what interests me more is the work of the scouts and coaches and Vinny's group that they put in throughout the year than just the hot guy."


I'm not sure what to make of this statement. The media sure seems to know when Snyder's going to develop a man-crush and give up the farm for the "hot guy".

You don't stay mediocre for a decade unless there are fundamental organization problems. You can't pin that all on one coach (since we've had 6 since Y2K) or one QB (since we've had 10 starting QBs since Y2K). The problem goes higher.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 22, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

It seems like the same thing every year, Mr. Snyder is convinced that HE can find the players and that HIS plan can work. Don't fault Vinnie, He is a mediocre personnel guy that has found a way to get paid well for his mediocrity. The problem is the owner has a plan....one that doesn't really include any real football peeps making decisions, even though he will say that he has lotsa football people doing his footwork..its really all about the most flashy or the biggest bang type of player he is infatuated with!
I am all for Maybin, or an OT if one is available, we must address the lines...no QB will fair well if he is running for his life all the time.

Posted by: kcy123 | April 22, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Frak - We don't need a pass rusher. We have 2 or 3 of them already.

We need a LDE.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 22, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Snyder on the draft process: "You just have to be patient. It takes a long time to get there [to complete the draft process]. We do all this work and then it's hurry up and wait."

When he said, "You just have to be patient." Did the whole room start laughing hysterically? Add that to Vinny's "It is what it is" bit of critical analysis over last year's fluster cuck, and we could be in real trouble Saturday night. These guys don't even know they don't know what they're doing.

Posted by: mack1 | April 22, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone ask Snyder why he continues to ignore the glaring inadequacies of the O-Line?

Posted by: Salinas1 | April 22, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

"Did anyone ask why they don't follow the blueprint of successful teams like the Patriots, Ravens, Giants and Steelers, who by and large build through the drafts and make linemen a high priority? Posted by: keithward64 |"

Here we go again -- must be Spring, that grass is looking greener over the fence.

Here's NE's last two drafts. courtesy of Belichick and Pioli:

2007
1. Jerod Mayo - starter, big success. 10th.
2. Wheatley, DB - 2 tackles, no starts
3. Cable, LB - 0 tackles
3. OConnell QB - 0 games
4. Wilhite DB - 28 tackles, 4 starts, 1 INT, 2 passes defensed
5. Slater WR- 0
6. Ruud LB - 0

OK, those were rookies, maybe they'll develop. So let's look at the year before.

1. Brandon Meriwether DB - 11 starts, 82 tkles, 4 INTs
4. Brown DT - 0
5. Oldenburg OL - 0
6. Rogers LB - traded
6. Richardson DB 17 tkles, 0 starts
6. Hilliard DT - 2 games, 0 starts
7. Lua LB - out of league
7. Elgin G - out of league

Maybe that looks like genius to some. The first rounders were hits. but then so was LaRon Landry. The rest of the drafts -- well, Wilhite's a nice player.

Perhaps there's more to this drafting business than people think.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 22, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Snyder on moving up or down: "Vinny's always ready to go up and down, that's why he still has a job work for me. He's really good at going up and down."

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

By the way, I notice that two years ago, the Pats didn't have any 2nd or 3rd round choices...

Posted by: Samson151 | April 22, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Samson - NE last drafts have SUCKED worse than ours. But don't let the truth get in the way of peps up here.

Did anyone notice how many old fuddy duddys they have sign over the last 3 years???? Springs/Galloway this year? If they didn't recently win the SB, and go 18-1, they'd be trashed by all.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 22, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

"Cerrato: 'It's a decent draft. Probably not as good as last year but there's quality there. I think there's depth throughout the draft.'"

Oh God, considering what the imp did last year with such a strong draft what will he do this year???!!?!?!

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

4th Floor-
We didn't have a turnover-producing, drive-killing sack machine last year, we had a squelching , zone-contain DL that could have used a GERONIMO!! HAPPY EARTHDAY, TONY!!-style sackmeister like Everette..Granted Big Al is going to open up some opportunities: I wouldn't mind ripping open the NFC East with a sack-happy DL this year, just to give 'em a taste of the revengement..

Posted by: frak | April 22, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

i dont believe anything they say about anything. last year they specifically said they need to add a CB, LB, DE and OT and what did they go ahead and do? draft 3 pass catchers. i can understand trying to throw everybody off, but come on. It seems to me that the nose and the dan make all the drafting moves and leave everyone else out of the loop. why do we even have scouts? then they put up an interview with the director of scouting every year as if he's important. those 2 are the worst!!

Posted by: sweeet_jones | April 22, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Jason, did any media schlubs ask how Dan and Vinny can keep ignoring the lines year after year and expect to be competitive? If so, what was the response?

Did anyone ask why they don't follow the blueprint of successful teams like the Patriots, Ravens, Giants and Steelers, who by and large build through the drafts and make linemen a high priority?

Posted by: keithward64 | April 22, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

I think the response would be, "Well, we spent $100 MILLION on a DT." Soooo....

Posted by: Club320 | April 22, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

But people like Brown are only 1 down players. We need a 2-3 down player with #13. They should pick up someone like that if we were good on all fronts.

But, we are not. We need a FULL TIME LDE and SAM. Why would we draft a part time player before that?

Plus, we need to give Chris Wilson (If the SAM experiment fails), Buzebee, and Rob Jackson a chance to get on the field in passing downs.....

Have we all FORGOTTEN about our current roster?!? Remember we got JT55 and everyone wanted CWilson and Rob Jackson to get action. Be Patient hamsters. We are at the bend coming home. I know I know it has been a frutile few years, but good times are soon to come....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 22, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Say all the right things, do all the wrong ones. Nothing new. CAMPBELL must be thrilled and raring to go into his last contract year.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 22, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I want OL as much as anyone - but -

Could vinny be correct and getting the best player is the best option?

Needs change from year to year. Remember the DTs everyone wanted last year that did nothing in year one. (insert snide comment here).

I don't want the top 4 OT just to get one. They have to be the real deal also. We cant draft a center in round 3 and go OT next year via FA or draft.

Anyway I think Dan has taken over so it is a moot point.

Posted by: mul123 | April 22, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

If either E.Brown or T. Jackson is available , and the top OTs are off the charts, taking one or the other is fine with me..Chris Wilson and Rob Jackson haven't shown it , yet, frankly..

Posted by: frak | April 22, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

BTW

F U Dan

You are a bastar...........d

It feels like they got a RI poster to run the team.

Posted by: mul123 | April 22, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Who you calling "hamster", 4F?? I'm from Peru and I EATS hamsters!!

Posted by: frak | April 22, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Gee, I wonder if you could see Snyder's lips move when Zorn and Cerrato spoke...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 22, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

'Cerrato: "There's a possibility we'll do three things on Saturday: trade up, stay back or stay the same [at 13].'

Well then. No matter...Whatever they do, it will obviously be Jasno's fault..

Posted by: 4-12 | April 22, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Frak - That is a bad picture. Do you bite their heads off while they are alive???

ANYWAY............

WIZARDS NAME SAUNDERS HEAD COACH

Sideline Veteran Franchise's 22nd Head Coach


Washington Wizards President Ernie Grunfeld announced today that the team has named Flip Saunders as head coach. Per team policy, terms of the contract were not released.

"We're very proud to bring a proven winner like Flip Saunders on board as our head coach," said Wizards Chairman Abe Pollin. "After going through what was a very difficult season, I know our fans share in my anticipation of what we can accomplish with new leadership, a healthy roster and a renewed commitment to excellence."

................

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 22, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

I mean, really, couldn't they have just posted Snyders comments and in every place where Cerrato or Zorn spoke they could just print, "Uh, yeah, what he said..."

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 22, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I want OL as much as anyone - but -

Could vinny be correct and getting the best player is the best option?


Posted by: mul123 | April 22, 2009 5:17 PM

95% of the time, yes. There are 22 positions on the team (ignoring special teams for now), so it's almost always smart to get the best pick you can, period. An upgrad is and upgrade is an upgrade.

But this is that 5% case. When your entire O-line has only 1 player under 32, and all those old guys are coming off serious injuries/surgeries, you have a problem that MUST be addressed or it will stop EVERYTHING you do on offense.

Otherwise, if you don't fix the O-line, it makes more sense to ignore the offense altogether. Forget giving up draft picks for a QB, or trading for Ocho Stinko. Just try to be like the Steelers or Bucs (who won a SB with our former QB, Brad Johnson). Just go 100% defense and hope your defense is capable of scoring.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 22, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Why do they have these 'news' conferences and why would I want to go to their draft party? Is the beer free?

Posted by: chasla | April 22, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Frac, it's guinea pigs you eats. Hamsters are different.

Posted by: SkinsfaninPeru | April 22, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Sanchez at best, could be compared to Griese or one of Tampa Bay QBs of recent history. Not a real stud but accurate, hopefully to make a bad team look respectable. But that would be what he would aspire tward. With one year as starter of the giant among pee-wee league. QB of USC does carry a golden boy in the sun type status. But Sanchez' off-field problems would even discount the possible boost in female fans. Still if your looking for an accurate guy with good decision making QB, you want more than one season to be sure.

I'd hate to cut down Jason Campbell but Sanchez experience amounts to roughly the same span as the first half of last season for Campbell. Could be a fluke. Campbell exudes careful concerned handeling of his position. He's a stud physically. I'm sure he would like to be slinging down field with abandon. He's like Jeff George but possessed by the ghost of a sniper or watchmaker(someone meticulus). There is noticable effort on his part. And progress on the whole for the team. Gibb's looked "out of touch" with the new NFL. But anything longer than a five yard pass was a sack or hurry. There can definetly be improvement over last season but the passing game has been getting better. The problem is that a lot of the same guys that made Gibbs look bad are still here, just older.

Posted by: chavez66 | April 22, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Yes, please let it be that Snyder is using Peter King. PLEASE.

Posted by: dcsween | April 22, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

You're right. Hamsters is too gamey. Those little bones get stuck in your throat.

Posted by: frak | April 22, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

'Cerrato: "There's a possibility we'll do three things on Saturday: trade up, stay back or stay the same [at 13].'

Well then. No matter...Whatever they do, it will obviously be Jasno's fault..

Posted by: 4-12 | April 22, 2009 5:27 PM

... because it is reporters and bloggers who will be keeping Vinny from ... trading sideways.

My latest research and thought process is that we should go for any of the four three year starters from Oklahoma ... Loadholdt, Duke Robinson, the other guard, or the center. They made Sam Bradford awesome (and next year he will suck). They paved the way for Darren McFadden and Felix Jones. Oklahoma has a winning tradition. The O in Oklahoma is for O-line. So let it be written, so let it be done. Trade down. Please. "Hello? May I please speak with Mister Belichek?"

Posted by: dcsween | April 22, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

PROCESS!

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 22, 2009 4:38 PM

PLASH!

Posted by: 4-12 | April 22, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

You'll want to use a crockpot with hamsters...

Posted by: edvar | April 22, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

If you had enough food pellets, I bet you could create a city-wide hamster-generator grid that would power the Earth..

Posted by: frak | April 22, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Is Flip the proper christian name on his birth certificate?? Probably smoking the same pellets that Cocoa Crisp's parents were smokin' when they named him..

Posted by: frak | April 22, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Well, hold on now, frak. Coco Crisp was named for his great-aunt, Coco Chanel.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 22, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

"2007
1. Jerod Mayo - starter, big success. 10th.
2. Wheatley, DB - 2 tackles, no starts
3. Cable, LB - 0 tackles
3. OConnell QB - 0 games
4. Wilhite DB - 28 tackles, 4 starts, 1 INT, 2 passes defensed
5. Slater WR- 0
6. Ruud LB - 0

OK, those were rookies, maybe they'll develop. So let's look at the year before.

1. Brandon Meriwether DB - 11 starts, 82 tkles, 4 INTs
4. Brown DT - 0
5. Oldenburg OL - 0
6. Rogers LB - traded
6. Richardson DB 17 tkles, 0 starts
6. Hilliard DT - 2 games, 0 starts
7. Lua LB - out of league
7. Elgin G - out of league"

of course most of these guys haven't stepped in and had a huge impact...they're on the Pats! You would have to look at the drafts that led up to their Super Bowl runs to see the real impact of good drafting. These past few drafts have been gathering depth and a handful of playmakers who can step in for departed players. Drafting for an established team and a mediocre/bad team can't be judged the same.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 22, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Poof, the magic eraser lives in DC ...yada, yada, you know the tune. Can't think of a word that ryhmes with loseable.

Posted by: will_ga | April 22, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

"excusable"
"reusable"

Posted by: skinsfaninsanfran | April 22, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

We have to face the GIANT'S defense and their front line at least twice a year! Should we not build up our O-LINE to counter them? I have been a fan for 40 years and we always had a strong OL. Remember the "HOGS"?

Posted by: KurtShanaman | April 22, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Redskins Mouthpiece Larry Michael said he does not believe the Skins will draft O line.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 22, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Whatever happens this has to be one of the stranger drafts with some guys projected to go anywhere in the first round.

Posted by: skinswest | April 22, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

One thing about Orakpo, the whole Texas team were right at the top of the NCAA in sacks (sergi Ilingee, or something like that), so he had plenty of slack-takers backing him to keep up the pressure...Also, Big 12 games were like watching offensive track meets last year, 45-41 and sh*t, so DEs were lining up for pass rush on the regular...Just sayin'..

Posted by: frak | April 22, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

"of course most of these guys haven't stepped in and had a huge impact...they're on the Pats! You would have to look at the drafts that led up to their Super Bowl runs to see the real impact of good drafting. These past few drafts have been gathering depth and a handful of playmakers who can step in for departed players. Drafting for an established team and a mediocre/bad team can't be judged the same.Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who"

Gathering depth or gathering dust? Let's just say these two classes have yet to make their magnificence felt. And Mayo -- everybody loved that guy. If he hadn't been a linebacker, he'd have been in the top three.

So where's the genius? You'll notice it's not Belichick or Pioli proclaiming their collective brilliance -- it's the media.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 22, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

"My latest research and thought process is that we should go for any of the four three year starters from Oklahoma ... Loadholdt, Duke Robinson, the other guard, or the center. They made Sam Bradford awesome (and next year he will suck). They paved the way for Darren McFadden and Felix Jones. Oklahoma has a winning tradition. The O in Oklahoma is for O-line. So let it be written, so let it be done. Trade down. Please. "Hello? May I please speak with Mister Belichek?"

They must be really, really good if they paved the way for two backs who played at Arkansas.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 22, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

NFL Network's Steve Wyche reports that there is "chatter" the Jets would try to swing a trade for Jason Campbell on draft day if the Redskins move up to draft Matthew Stafford.
This is pretty much setting the stage for a potential three-team swap. The Skins are already short on picks and would likely have to dip into their 2010 draft class to move up the board. It could potentially also mean throwing Sanchez into the fire, which sounds foolish after only 16 college starts.

NFL network

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 22, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

hey i just wanted to put this out there do you think nest season that dan might ask zorn to take a back and hire a new coach i've been following the rumors online and every where else. you think mike might be in the skins near future?

Posted by: MGDMaster21 | April 22, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Mack is a great player, but you'd have to pass on a good OT (Smith, Beatty, or Britton) in order to take him. Plus, Eric Wood C could be available int he 3 rd or Hermann Johnson G

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 22, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

They obviously meant Mark Sanchez and not Matt Stafford in my last post.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 22, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

I knew the Skins have had 6 head coaches and 10 starting QBs since Y2K, but check out this startling fact:

Dan Snyder has selected seven quarterbacks in his nine drafts as the owner of the Washington Redskins.

...Not since Mark Rypien have the Redskins had a quarterback who kept the undisputed starting job for more than a couple of seasons.

That, my friends, is a recipe for mediocrity. And a great argument for why Snyder should aim for stability and fix the O-line instead of dickering around with the QB position again.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 22, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

could be available I meant. A Caldwell C could be there in the third too

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 22, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

I knew the Skins have had 6 head coaches and 10 starting QBs since Y2K, but check out this startling fact:

Dan Snyder has selected seven quarterbacks in his nine drafts as the owner of the Washington Redskins.

Maybe that is so but when were they drafted is more the point here. They took fliers on QB's in late rounds which I don't have a problem with at all. It's worth a late round pick. Campbell is the only one that we committed a lot to draft wise.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 22, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

"Dan Snyder has selected seven quarterbacks in his nine drafts as the owner of the Washington Redskins."

Maybe this is also a surprise: the Pats have selected 6 QBs since the 1999 draft. Most of them after Tom Brady, of course.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 22, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

What's everyone so upset about? Mr. Snyder is just doing his very best to make
this a winning team. All he wants to do is win and he is willing to put his
money on the line to do it. Mr. Snyder is building great team chemistry and
comraderie through his front office moves and we all should be thankful he is
trying so hard. Ya'lls negative attitudes really have me frustrated. All the man
does is care and you guys constantly are trying to bring him down. If we get
Sanchez we are going to the Super Bowl this very year!!! And probably a couple
more after that!!!
Hail Skins!!!!

Posted by: LMichael1 | April 22, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

LMichael1,
Can I be the first to call you an idiot?

Posted by: mack1 | April 22, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Maybe this is also a surprise: the Pats have selected 6 QBs since the 1999 draft. Most of them after Tom Brady, of course.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 22, 2009 7:41 PM

Fortunately for the Patriots, they haven't had to give up a bunch of 1st round picks for any of those QBs. And they don't have to go back a decade and a half for one who's had the undisputed starting position for more than a couple of seasons.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 22, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

There are so many good offensive linemen in this draft, I cannot believe the Redskins won't take a handful. Depth at linebacker is really good, too. If they drafted nothing but o-linemen and linebackers in this draft, how could they go wrong? So, there, I've dumbed down the draft for Vinny. Just pick o-linemen and linebackers, Vinny. The o-linemen are the big guys who stand in front of the QB and linebackers are the big guys who stand behind the bigger guys on defense in case you were wondering.

And by the way, if Snyder really was the marketing stud he is supposed to be, he'd realize the "hogs" were one of the greatest media vehicles the Redskins ever had. The prestige that comes with having the biggest and baddest on the field should not be underestimated... and those xxxl jerseys sell for a lot more than those dinky QB jerseys... So, Dan and Vinny, the "Save the Whales" campaign should begin this draft.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 22, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

"Gathering depth or gathering dust? Let's just say these two classes have yet to make their magnificence felt."

My point being, they don't have a chance to make an impact. You can't judge them either way. I never said they were geniuses...just that your argument is flawed.

You can't judge established team drafts the same way you judge poor team drafts.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 22, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

LMichael1,
Can I be the first to call you an idiot?

Posted by: mack1 | April 22, 2009 7:49 PM |
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Now, now.

Don't be picking on Danny's mom like that!
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 22, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

LMichael's been smokin something laced

Posted by: noluvdr | April 22, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Maybe this is also a surprise: the Pats have selected 6 QBs since the 1999 draft. Most of them after Tom Brady, of course.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 22, 2009

Since Bledsoe how many have the Patriots selected in the FIRST ROUND, where you look for a franchise starting QB? Compare the Patriots record with that of Dan Snyder's from 1999. Or the Steelers, or the Ravens, or the Eagles, or the Giants with Eli Manning?

The Skins have selected 2 QBs (soon to be THREE out of EIGHT drafts!!!

ALMOST a 40% failure rate!!! Failure both to find a QB **PLUS** to land a STARTER in the FIRST ROUND as one would hope! FORTY PERCENT!!!

Of course one could look at Sage Rosenfels and wonder if perhaps he should have been retained instead of trading him to Miami and then offensive coordinator Norv Turner!

Posted by: periculum | April 22, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

LMichael's been smokin something laced
Posted by: noluvdr | April 22, 2009

Clearly another kid ... one that Snyder would have sold one of his spring break travel packages to.

Posted by: periculum | April 22, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

chaveZ

16 starts at USc is Nothing like 8 starts in the NFL, especially in the Beast

Say no to Shuler-CheZ

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 22, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Per -

Sage was drafted by Marty. It was his decision alone.

Posted by: edvar | April 22, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Never mind, I misread your post

Posted by: edvar | April 22, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Here's the flaw in LMichael1's thinking (leaving out the obviously cheerleading (sarcastic?) comment about Super Bowls). He says Dan Snyder's "doing the best he can" and that our "negative attitudes really have me frustrated".

I would say the same about the 10 starting QBs and 6 head coaches Snyder has had since Y2K.

If Snyder applied the same supposed performance-based criteria to himself and Vinny that he applies to his coaches and QBs, he would have fired himself and Vinny a long time ago and hired a real GM. Their end product has been relentlessly mediocre.

If Snyder thinks he can judge a coach or QB after 1 or 2 seasons, how long does it take to judge an owner? Snyder has had 10 years.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 22, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Redskins Mouthpiece Larry Michael said he does not believe the Skins will draft O line.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 22, 2009

Can't wait to see what happens to Sanchez against the Giants newly revamped defensive line?

Posted by: periculum | April 22, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

yoderlay: "My point being, they don't have a chance to make an impact. You can't judge them either way. I never said they were geniuses...just that your argument is flawed.
You can't judge established team drafts the same way you judge poor team drafts.Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who"

Well, let me try clarifying it again. I'm not judging their impact. I'm just saying there hasn't been one, for the most part.

So if there's genius there, I don't know you could prove it.

Now on the other hand, you wrote:
"... these past few drafts have been gathering depth and a handful of playmakers who can step in for departed players."

My question: how do you know? How do you know those players are any good? How do you know there are any playmakers in the group that hasn't contributed anything yet? How do you know those players will be on the team in another year or two?

Seems to me you're presuming success.

I take the time to make the point because if you've been reading this blog, you know folks have been complaining bitterly about the players from last year's draft failing to make an immediate impact. You would no doubt say the Skins are a terrible team so they should have made an impact. I would counter: the Skins aren't terrible. They're not as good as the Pats, but they're far from terrible. So why is it so all-fired awful when Skins players don't contribute right away?

And my hunch would be, because this is a Skins blog. And if you tuned in to a Pats blog, you might hear the same sort of complaints, if not quite as many.

So my question would be: how do you know? Maybe they'll turn out

Posted by: Samson151 | April 22, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

JKC owned 10 years before he got a championship. JKC won 3 Bowls in 33 years. JKC also had no salary cap and the highest payroll in the league.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 22, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

I believe the Skins will draft O-line. As long as they understand it's a need.

When the offense stalled 2 years ago, management felt like the team needed better receivers. Wa-la! Two WRs and a TE in the 2nd round.

They lost Champ Baily in a trade a few years earlier, and wa-la, they get Carlos Rogers in the first round one year later. They also traded a bunch of picks to move up and get JC17 in the first round that draft after Brunell and Ramsey combined for a 6-10 season.

Bugel needs to admit the obvious, and be persuasive to Snyder: the O-line is old and recovering from a lot of serious injuries and surgeries. Time to make that the 2009 priority.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 22, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

You can bet on this - these morons will make a stupid move/pick and ruin their future for the next 3 to 5 years.

THEY DO NOT KNOW HOW TO DRAFT WORTH A DAM.

Snyder gets firm thinking about jersey sales.

That's his drive.

Get used to it.

Posted by: gdennie | April 22, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

That should clear things up for everyone.

Posted by: CTSkins | April 22, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

LOL

#$%& hysterical. I'm still laughing...

Good one, dude.

Posted by: chris_rollins2k3 | April 22, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

...
I would counter: the Skins aren't terrible. They're not as good as the Pats, but they're far from terrible. So why is it so all-fired awful when Skins players don't contribute right away?

And my hunch would be, because this is a Skins blog.
...
Posted by: Samson151 | April 22, 2009 8:11 PM
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I'd say there's another reason that is legitimate: We ignored other needs and picked 3 pass catchers.

And then we spent the season with Moss, ARE, and James Thrash at WR, and Cooley and Yoder at TE.

And in spite of having a seriously depleted O.L., Chad Rinehart did not suit up for a single game.

We weren't decent at WR, we were bad.

Same for the O.L. in the second half.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 22, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Snyder gets firm thinking about jersey sales.
That's his drive. Get used to it.

Posted by: gdennie | April 22, 2009

Maybe he has a point. Snyder does get rave reviews in Forbes for making the Redskins profitable ... although Six Flags, and his foray into movie making is an entirely different story ...

So ... perhaps being the LAUGHINGSTOCK of the ENTIRE NFL is okay as long as you get glossy write ups in Forbes magazine, or Investor's Business Daily, or maybe even Tank McNamara comic strips? We could even create a new theme song for Snidely owl along the lines of "Bullet Fever" ... hmmm mebbe we could get Mr. Monday Night Football theme to do a country jingle about ol' Danny boy ...

This is the story about a man named Dan, took Dirty Sanchez and he threw him on the bed, opened his pocket and out came a worm, then came a batch of bubblin' sperm. T-shirt sales? What T-shirt sales? Dan really likes them young boyz.

Posted by: periculum | April 22, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

And in spite of having a seriously depleted O.L., Chad Rinehart did not suit up for a single game.

According to Bugel here was someone who really lacked confidence ... and Snidely complains about Campbell? At least he went out there and didn't do half bad ... sheesh ...

Posted by: periculum | April 22, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

And his line isn't very good at blocking for the pass.

I'd hope any of the Skins QBs would be that good.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 22, 2009

Really, they sure made the immobile 250 pound, "long windup" Leftwich look good now didn't they? He was passing not running last I looked. Or weren't you watching?

They are a very, very young offensive line. The tackles have good potential, especially the left tackle, the guards are mostly straight ahead snow plows, they have a "veteran" 30 year old center who keeps it all together.

Posted by: periculum | April 22, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Chad Rinehart:

Chad Rinehart is a versatile lineman who can play both the guard and tackle positions. He was selected by the Washington Redskins in the third round (96th overall) of the 2008 NFL Draft on April 27, 2008.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 22, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

The Skins got an awful deal in training camp when Coach Bugel got hit with his daughter's sad death last year, it must have been with him for a long time. Hopefully, he's reached a sense of peace regarding this, and he can see the bigger eternal and resume his focus..Nothing dies..

Posted by: frak | April 22, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

'...Wynn and Daniels can not be full time LDEs anymore. There needs to be a big rotation and an injection of youth....'


Indeed.

Jackson-de LSU @ 13 anyone?

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 22, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

'...Chad Rinehart is a versatile lineman who can play both the guard and tackle positions....'


You gotta hope another player like him is taken in the 3rd round as the team could definately use a player to groom at the center/right guard spot.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 22, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

indeed.

Jackson-de LSU @ 13 anyone?

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 22, 2009 9:11 PM ===========================================
MistaMoe, from what I'm reading, Tyson Jackson has already moved up the charts.

For instance, Matt McGuire now has him at 9, to the Packers.

Note also that this mock believes the Danny's love for Sanchez are for real.

I'm coming around to 4th's view that the posturing is just too outrageous for a player we would have to trade up for.

It's got to be a ruse (says my sanity, hopefully).
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 22, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

I believe the Skins will draft O-line. As long as they understand it's a need.

When the offense stalled 2 years ago, management felt like the team needed better receivers. Wa-la! Two WRs and a TE in the 2nd round.

They lost Champ Baily in a trade a few years earlier, and wa-la, they get Carlos Rogers in the first round one year later. They also traded a bunch of picks to move up and get JC17 in the first round that draft after Brunell and Ramsey combined for a 6-10 season.

Bugel needs to admit the obvious, and be persuasive to Snyder: the O-line is old and recovering from a lot of serious injuries and surgeries. Time to make that the 2009 priority.

Posted by: Alan4

I feel the Skins are not planning to draft O line because they believe the top O line prospects will be taken by #13. So they are going to draft Sanchez or defense.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 22, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

"My question: how do you know? How do you know those players are any good? How do you know there are any playmakers in the group that hasn't contributed anything yet? How do you know those players will be on the team in another year or two?

Seems to me you're presuming success.

I take the time to make the point because if you've been reading this blog, you know folks have been complaining bitterly about the players from last year's draft failing to make an immediate impact. You would no doubt say the Skins are a terrible team so they should have made an impact..."

You're right that I presumed that those picks are talented enough to step in...which can't be determined for players who haven't played much. But their 1st rounders have done rather well. All I know is, the Pats are pretty damn good.

As for the Skins picks last year...I never said draft picks on mediocre or bad teams SHOULD have more of an impact, only that it should be easier for them to have one since they SHOULD be on the field more. Mediocre to bad teams don't tend to have the depth that would keep talented rookies on the bench. It's all about playing time...3 years in is when you can realistically start to grade a draft class.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 22, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

The Skins make it known that they are very interested in Sanchez and are willing to trade up to get him. Another team, team A, also covets Sanchez and is also willing to trade up. Team A thinks that the Skins are going to trade up to get team B's pick so team A trades up to get team C's pick because team C will pick before team B. When team A acquires team C's pick, they eliminate the only team picking before the Skins that was going to select the player the Skins really wanted. The Skins' loud public play for Sanchez was a brilliant ruse to manipulate the draft so that the player they really coveted would fall to them at pick 13. The Skins are true masters when it comes to figuring out how to game the draft to their advantage.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 22, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

I feel the Skins are not planning to draft O line because they believe the top O line prospects will be taken by #13. So they are going to draft Sanchez or defense.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 22, 2009 9:23 PM |
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There is a huge amount of offensive line talent in this draft.

Four tackles may go in the first 10 picks. Certainly, those 4 will go in the first 13.

Six tackles, and perhaps even seven, will go in the first round.

Also, Alex Mack will go in the first round, and now it's looking like the Steelers won't even get a shot at him.

We have the need, and there will be somebody good there.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 22, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

All I know is, the Pats are pretty damn good. ...

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 22, 2009 9:40 PM

Genius statements like this are what make RI a must read for anybody who wants the skinny on the Skins.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 22, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Also, Alex Mack will go in the first round, and now it's looking like the Steelers won't even get a shot at him.

We have the need, and there will be somebody good there.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya

You would take Mack over Beatty or Britton?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 22, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

would you? i mean not you would

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 22, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

What about Jenkins at 13? He can play Free safety and let LaRon come up in the box and add depth and interchangability across the secondary.

I know we need Oline (C/G imo more than OT), but he just may be BPA and fill a lesser need.

He also may be really coveted by a team farther back who would be willing to come get him because they know Vontae is a slacker. Jenkins may be another target other than Moreno that would serve as excellent move back bait for the Skins.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 22, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato: "There's a possibility we'll do three things on Saturday: trade up, stay back or stay the same."

And the fourth option is to...?

Moron.

Posted by: bmo63 | April 22, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

I gave the wrong link to the story about the Skins QB carousel. The link is here:Sanchez would carry huge price tag for Redskins.

It's a pretty good read about Snyder's multiple failed efforts to acquire a QB he considers suitable over the past decade. And the price the team has paid.

What's funny is reading that after reading this:

Sunday night's 24-10 loss to the Baltimore Ravens was the fourth game in the past five in which line coach Joe Bugel's offensive line was overwhelmed by a younger, more agile defensive front.
After the line helped the Redskins start 6-2, it began a swoon paralleling the team's recent struggles that have led to this point: 7-6 and on the outside of the playoff race.
“We're just not playing good at all,” right guard Randy Thomas said. “We're making everybody look good. We can't let this season slip away. We gotta get some answer quick. We can't wait.”
As was the case in November against the Pittsburgh Steelers, Dallas Cowboys and New York Giants, the line gave the running backs little room to run (51 yards) and quarterback Jason Campbell (sacked just twice but hit plenty) little time to throw.

It's so obvious what needs to happen in this draft, and it ain't at QB.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 22, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

You guys are so bitter

Snyder is a great owner and he will win a championship soon....

Then you guys can simply shut the **** up

Posted by: snyderbandwagon | April 22, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya

You would take Mack over Beatty or Britton?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 22, 2009 10:17 PM
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It's a good question, and the answer is I'm not sure.

The positional value of a tackle is much higher than a center/guard...which is the only reason that Mack has been (until lately) been a very late 1st round pick, while Britton has been projected as the 5th tackle for quite some time, and Beatty has moved up since November.

I think Beatty is better than Britton.

I think Mack is the best center prospect in many years, so that has to enter the equation...you're not worried about Mack busting. In fact, the odds that Mack will be a star are very good, and better than the same for Britton or Beatty.

So that makes it kind of a tossup, and if you could get any value for a trade back (but now you can't go very far), than do it and get Mack.

P.S. I'm pretty sure neither Britton nor Beatty will last past Detroit's 2nd pick, number 20.

P.P.S. The facts that our center is 32 years old and we need depth at guard have to be a factors in the decision.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 22, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

The Case For: Mark Sanchez
John Keim
WarpathInsiders.com
Apr 22, 2009
Here, we take a look at the Pro's and Con's of the Redskins drafting QB Mark Sanchez.
Why the Redskins should draft him: They clearly don’t feel Jason Campbell is the answer. Which means they
don’t have a quarterback after next season. Colt Brennan has a ways to go before he’s ready to become even a
quality backup. If the Redskins want to bring in a rookie QB, this is the season. They have Campbell under
contract for this year, so there’s no pressure to start a rookie. If Campbell does well, they could always franchise
him and trade him. As for Sanchez, numerous scouts and evaluators say he’d be a good fit in the West Coast
offense that Jim Zorn runs (and, for those looking ahead, Mike Shanahan – just in case). Sanchez has what
Campbell lacks: charisma. He’s more of a natural leader than Campbell, who draws praise for his steadiness
more than quality leadership. The evaluators also like Sanchez’s ability to make quick decisions, a key factor in
the WCO. Washington has other more pressing needs. But if the Redskins draft Sanchez they could – could –
solve their QB situation for years. Those who want patience with Campbell should know that teams who wanted
QBs this offseason did not want him. One executive in need of a QB said he did not like Campbell’s instincts.
Why they shouldn’t: To guarantee that they get Sanchez, Washington would have to trade to the No. 3 pick.
Sources we’ve talked to say that Seatt le, which picks fourth, still has him among the list of possibilities. Do you
really want to give up next year’s first-rounder, plus this year’s first and third, to get Sanchez? Is he that good?
Quarterbacks who are as inexperienced as Sanchez is coming out tend not to play well in the NFL. This almost
feels like owner Dan Snyder is desperate to get a QB, having been burned by the Jay Cutler sweepstakes. Bad
moves are made out of desperation.

Posted by: TWISI | April 22, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

If YOU were the GM of the skins, would YOU just come out and say, "we're taking an OT. We want A. Smith, but will be happy with Oher, Beatty, or Britton."

-or-

would you say we want Shuler-Chez or Orakpo.

I'm using wishful thinking here. Smokescreen we're taking an OT

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 22, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

thunder,

thanks for the response. I agree when you consider position value it makes LT, DE, QB, CB the "safe" picks.

I think we could get Wood (C-louvel), or Johnson (G - LSU) in the 3rd or A. Caldwell (C- bama).

OT in the first makes much more sense because it is a more valued position and could probably start immediately.

Trading down WOULD be sweet, because we could get 2 quality lineman. 2 O, or 1 o 1 d

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 22, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Another vote re: SANCHEZ - hell NO. Too many other holes to fill first.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 22, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Snyder on the draft process: "You just have to be patient. It takes a long time to get there [to complete the draft process]. We do all this work and then it's hurry up and wait."

Patient? Are you f---ing kidding me? Lil Napoleon was impatient the first time he sucked on his momma's teet. The little guy just couldn't get any milk out. His little weaseley face just keep getting hit by the boo'bee. This has caused him to fall in love with a Mr. Sanchez. Don't thank me...paging Dr. Freud!

Posted by: duh2mag | April 22, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm using my wishful thinking as well, pabrian.

It'll help me keep my sanity (until Saturday, at least).

So, people want to know the Fourth Option?

Here it is: Seattle isn't going to trade with Denver so that Denver can draft Sanchez unless they thoroughly rip Denver off (division rivals, maps, and such as).

Skins give their 1st and 3rd to Seattle and move up. Meanwhile, the Skins aren't serious about drafting Sanchez, they already have had discussions with Denver, and they trade the pick to Denver for Denver's 1st and 2nd.

Fourth option accomplished: trade up, trade down, our 3rd rounder is transformed through alchemy into a 2nd rounder.

A person can dream!

~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 22, 2009 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Better yet,

Lil Napoleon should take a cue from Wretch'ed Lerner's Natinals. How 'bout Edski's? Or Redin's? Or Skin'Eds? Or my personal favorite, Foreskin's?

I just hope they let Bonaparte Part Deux out of his carseat to watch the draft. Vinny Flanders would draft Johnny Feces from Uranus Tech if "master" wanted. Draft day used to be fun, but like Six Flags, AM Radio, and Sonny, Sam and Frank, Snyder is the fella that tells little children Santa Claus isn't real (after charging them $50 to write their wish lists).

Posted by: duh2mag | April 22, 2009 11:30 PM | Report abuse

I hear next years draft could be saturated with good QBs, so I wonder what kind of record Jason Campbell will have to post for us to keep him?

I'd say at least 10-6 or don't resign him.

I don't buy the O-line factor hype. Yes it can help, but great O-lines don't = good QBs (look at the Vikings and Panthers). However Great QBs = good O-lines (look at the Colts and Cowboys. Romo doesn't get sacked, but Brad Johnson, the veteran, does with the SAME O-line. Manning's O-line has changed as frequently as ours, yet his numbers remain consistent).

Posted by: Vicc | April 22, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

The Skins will draft Tyson Jackson or Andre Smith, they wont be able to trade up or trade down.

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | April 23, 2009 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Watching today's press conference, I am so thankful we have Coach Zorn.

On the other hand, Vinny Cerrato is totally ridiculous! All the money Dan puts into this team and he has a third string GM!

Posted by: DFi4487 | April 23, 2009 12:11 AM | Report abuse

I don't buy the O-line factor hype. Yes it can help, but great O-lines don't = good QBs (look at the Vikings and Panthers). However Great QBs = good O-lines (look at the Colts and Cowboys. Romo doesn't get sacked, but Brad Johnson, the veteran, does with the SAME O-line. Manning's O-line has changed as frequently as ours, yet his numbers remain consistent).

Posted by: Vicc | April 22, 2009 11:49 PM

Once upon a time, in a land far away, there was a team with a dominating O-line. This dominating O-line was known as The Hogs. Althought QBs and RBs changed, this team managed to go 3-1 in Super Bowls--with 3 different QBs--over a span of 9 years. Yes, 4 SB appearances in less than a decade with 3 different QBs!

Strangely, two different QBs were named Super Bowl MVPs--neither a HOF type QB--due to the awesome protection they got from the dominating O-line.

The end.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 23, 2009 12:34 AM | Report abuse

The thing about it is, any move the front office is rumored to be considering seems plausible to us as fans. Because we've witnessed so many astoundingly poor decisions and moves over the years of Snyder's "stewardship" of the public trust that is this franchise. We'll sadly believe that anything is possible -- even moves that seem patently absurd (like, say, trading up to get Matt Sanchez) -- and that, even with all the insults and embarrassments we've endured, we haven't seen the worst yet.

That willing suspension of disbelief is responsible for almost all this chatter of late.

We all love this team, and on some level we want to be believe they're capable of overcoming their own ineptitude, like Inspector Clouseau, and making Progress towards the Ultimate Goal of hoisting the Lombardi again. And again.

Here I am blathering on again. Look at what a fool I am. Beer me.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 23, 2009 12:35 AM | Report abuse

I don't buy the O-line factor hype. Yes it can help, but great O-lines don't = good QBs (look at the Vikings and Panthers). However Great QBs = good O-lines (look at the Colts and Cowboys. Romo doesn't get sacked, but Brad Johnson, the veteran, does with the SAME O-line. Manning's O-line has changed as frequently as ours, yet his numbers remain consistent).

Posted by: Vicc | April 22, 2009

Everyone wants to look at an O-line from the passing perspective ... really its running the ball that's first. Just as in the 4-3 defense you stop the run first and foremost, then worry about the pass and pass rushing.

This is why both Philadelphia and the Giants upgraded their lines, why Pittsburgh went for very young, inexperienced linemen as starters. Risking their franchise quarterback in the process.

Its not *all* their fault but Portis wasn't wrong when he made those rather pointed and poignant cynical remarks about his line.

Young aggressive offensive linemen aren't going to get beat up. They are going to do the "whup assing" if they can. And they do that through making the running game successful. That's when they get to pound on the d-line and linebackers. Eventually wearing them down so that when the 4th quarter comes around they are leading plays that break off 10-20+ yard runs.

That did not happen for the Skins. Their one and only play like that came when Devin Thomas scored on an end-around.

You want to take leads, hold them and then finish off your opponent in the 4th quarter. That's done with an offensive line not a defensive line. They get to take advantage of the bounty the offensive line gives them when the opposing teams have to pass more than run.

You want a franchise QB that can score a lot of points? Sonny J, and John Elway when they were young. It wasn't until Elway got much older and much more careful with the ball, and had a running attack that he finally won a superbowl.

Posted by: periculum | April 23, 2009 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | April 23, 2009 12:41 AM | Report abuse

Depending on Rhinehart at this point seems a bit like expecting Malcolm Kelly's knees to miraculously heal. I know he wants to believe that as he goes through the rehab process yet again. It does not seem at all likely that he will ever become more than a part-time player ... if that. And to risk more with him would be foolhardy.

Rhinehart isn't injured but he really didn't step up as he was expected to. My impression is that the coaches are disappointed. The only person that "touts" him is the guy who drafted him on Mel Kiper's advice: Vinny.

Posted by: periculum | April 23, 2009 12:41 AM | Report abuse

We are at the bend coming home. I know I know it has been a frutile few years, but good times are soon to come....

Posted by: 4thFloor

Hey 4th! I'm a music Fan. Could you post what graveyards you'll be whistling past in the coming weeks, so I can catch one of your concerts?

Posted by: TheCork | April 23, 2009 12:42 AM | Report abuse

Pre draft salary cap Numbers
Posted by: leevi98 | April 23, 2009

Washington Redskins: $5.96 million.

Wow just enough for the rookie pool. Almost last in the NFL ... for once the Ravens are worst!

Posted by: periculum | April 23, 2009 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Dammit! I keep forgetting the importance of the O-line is overhyped!

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 23, 2009 12:46 AM | Report abuse

I steadfastly believe that if the Redskins exercise their #13 pick or (God forbid) trade up, they will be intent on selecting a player who can start and contribute this season. Maybe not starting in week one, but this season. And I think that's why we're not going to see the Skins select an offensive lineman if they make a pick up there.

You can't count on an O lineman to contribute in year one, especially given that crotchety old hero who coaches the O line and is fiercely loyal to his veteran players.

I think we stay at #13 and pick either a rush end or an OLB. And if the alternative is trading up for Sanchez, I'll gladly take that DE/LB.

Rankings of what I most want to happen Saturday:

1. Trade down from #13 and make O line a priority with highest remaining picks
2. Stay at #13 and draft best O lineman
3. Stay at #13 and draft best D lineman

Rankings of what I least want to happen Saturday:

1. Trade Campbell and (trade up or whatever to) draft Matt Sanchez
2. Keep Campbell and (trade up or whatever to) draft Matt Sanchez
3. Trade up for anyone other than Matt Sanchez

(... don't mind me, I'm just killing time this evening up here... nothing to say, as usual...)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 23, 2009 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Why the Patriots are always vying for a superbowl:

Vontae Davis is the best pure corner in the draft. The Patriots signed free agents Leigh Bodden and Shawn Springs, but Bill Belichick knows the value of growing the position. In his past five drafts, he has selected 21 defensive players and 10 were defensive backs. -- TG

The Redskins have recently drafted 4 DB's in the 1st round. Both CBs are starters one is considered one of the top 5 most valuable players. Champ Bailey and Carlos Rogers. Sean Taylor, LaRon Landry. That says enough.

The team is much safer drafting DB's than any other position.

Posted by: periculum | April 23, 2009 12:51 AM | Report abuse

You can't count on an O lineman to contribute in year one, especially given that crotchety old hero who coaches the O line and is fiercely loyal to his veteran players.

Please explain how Stephon Heyer got to start in his rookie year? Derrick Dockery? And Heyer an undrafted free agent? As for Buges, seems to me Jacoby, Grimm, Bostic, and May all started for him in their rookie years.

Posted by: periculum | April 23, 2009 12:54 AM | Report abuse

If they get lucky enough to draft any of the top 8 OT's in this draft. That player will at least start at right tackle. If its one of the top 4, especially Andre Smith or Jason Smith ... you can expect them to start at left tackle from the get-go. Buges does like his veterans enough to know when its time for a Chris Samuels to move right to extend his career.

Posted by: periculum | April 23, 2009 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Gotta disagree with you there Nate. I'm no expert, but I think plenty of O-linemen start as rookies (at least upper-echelon draft picks)... and someone pointed out here recently that Buges isn't stuck on veterans, citing (I think) Samuels and Dockery (and I wonder when Jansen started).

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 23, 2009 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Also, friggin' Caps. What a misery. Now it's ALL about the Skins again. No more distractions for DC sports fans, aside from whatever tepid shenanigans might occur down at the ballpark on the Anacostia. It's just our beloved, dysfunctional Skins. Yippee.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 23, 2009 1:00 AM | Report abuse

1. Trade down from #13 and make O line a priority with highest remaining picks
2. Stay at #13 and draft best O lineman
3. Stay at #13 and draft best D lineman

If the Rams draft Sanchez as some are starting to expect Snidely may accede to Vinny's request/suggestion to do #1. That is what Vinny believes he is best at. Given that the O-line is such a sore thumb sticking out you odds are that is what he will do. Vinny will do this by convincing Snyder that better quarterbacks will be available in next year's draft. Which will likely be true.


Posted by: periculum | April 23, 2009 1:00 AM | Report abuse

aside from whatever tepid shenanigans might occur down at the ballpark on the Anacostia.

They do appear to be improving ... dramatically ...
they are still very, very young. But Mgmt succeeded in putting the fear of God in them and they appear to be playing at the highest level they can ...

If they draft Strasberg as most expect, and sign him, you will likely soon see a world series played down in the old Navy Yards.

Posted by: periculum | April 23, 2009 1:02 AM | Report abuse

I'm not saying it's never happened that Buges has played a kid on the line, I just think that we now have all these dudes penciled in on the depth chart (unless one or more of them get cut, of course), some of whom you named, who would logically be "ahead of" whatever kid gets drafted.

Does anybody really believe we would draft a left tackle and move Pro Bowler Chris Samuels to right tackle? So our left tackle depth chart would be rookie-Heyer and our right tackle depth chart would be Samuels-Jansen? Anybody really believe that could happen at the beginning of this season, or any time this season?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 23, 2009 1:04 AM | Report abuse

You make a great counter-point "Alan4", because there are always exceptions to every theory.

I did say a good O-line can help, but my point was a good O-line doesn't = good QB. Jason Campbell will still be a slow reactor even with more time.

Your case, however, is a bit outdated as we both saw what happened Gibbs second time around. (i.e. the counter-tray was not as effective in 2004 as it was in 1984)

I want to give JC one more year, but I'm starting to believe that he has peaked as an average QB.

Posted by: Vicc | April 23, 2009 1:04 AM | Report abuse

(I think) Samuels and Dockery (and I wonder when Jansen started).

Both started as rookies. Not sure if Hanifan was still there or not ... can't remember when he bailed to join up with Vermeil. Hanifan was a better O-line coach than Buges.

Posted by: periculum | April 23, 2009 1:04 AM | Report abuse

And by the way, dudes, I am never right about anything, so I didn't expect anyone to take any of that garbage I'm spewing seriously. My comments are told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. But you knew that already.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 23, 2009 1:07 AM | Report abuse

I have little doubt that if the Skins drafted Andre Smith or Alex Mack, to name two that are considered elite prospects at their position, they'd start on opening day. Don't know about Beatty or Britton.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 23, 2009 1:11 AM | Report abuse

I did say a good O-line can help, but my point was a good O-line doesn't = good QB. Jason Campbell will still be a slow reactor even with more time.

O-line DOES INDEED == good QB. Joe Flacco. Kurt Warner.

What it does not guarantee is an "elite" or great quarterback.

Your case, however, is a bit outdated as we both saw what happened Gibbs second time around. (i.e. the counter-tray was not as effective in 2004 as it was in 1984)

The counter-trey was still effective. Many teams still use it. It was the "long" plays ... the movement stuff that did not because of the shortened play clock. And impatient, unfocused players in the offense. And yes in the line.

I want to give JC one more year, but I'm starting to believe that he has peaked as an average QB.

Posted by: Vicc | April 23, 2009

Scouts Inc. does not seem to agree with your assessment:

He is a good overall athlete with good size and a strong arm. He has quick feet in his pass drops and set up.He adjusts quickly when he sees pressure, but doesn't have a great feel for the rush yet when his eyes are down field. He will get his eyes locked on receivers at times and be late to escape or avoid. He can buy time with his feet and he is a good athlete, once he is outside the box, to make plays with his legs. He needs to improve his overall vision and pocket adjustments. He will only get better with more experience. He has a little bit of a wind up release, but the ball comes off his hand quickly once he makes his decision. He showed good touch on underneath throws and a strong enough arm to deliver accurately on deeper throws. He has good touch on vertical routes and toward the sideline. He has enough arm strength to put good velocity on the ball and drive it into tight spots. He has shown improved timing with his three and five-step drops since becoming the starter. While he will pre-determine where he is going, he is accurate enough to get the ball into his receivers' hands. He has a good combination of size, athletic ability and arm strength. However, he needs to improve his ball security and overall feel for pressure. He is a solid, young player to build around. He will only get better with experience.

Posted by: periculum | April 23, 2009 1:11 AM | Report abuse

I meant to say "positions", one's an OT, one's a C/G...

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 23, 2009 1:13 AM | Report abuse

You can't count on an O lineman to contribute in year one, especially given that crotchety old hero who coaches the O line and is fiercely loyal to his veteran players.


Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 23, 2009 12:50 AM

With the Skins, there's a pretty strong chance a top draft pick on the OL will conrtibute. To wit:

LT Chris Samuels (age: 31) IR week 14 (surgery after tearing his right triceps)

ORG Randy Thomas (age: 33) revealed that the neck injury he played through last season was career threatening. Offseason surgery will allow Thomas to play in 2009; torn triceps ended his season in 2007 in Week 2.

OLG Derrick Dockery (age: 28) no problems.

RT Jon Jansen (age: 33) sprained a ligament in his left knee in week 14; broken right ankle ended his season in 2007 in Week 1.

OG Justin Geisinger (age: 26) IR week 14 (sustained a meniscus injury in his left knee while serving as an emergency fill-in for Samuels and injured right tackle Jon Jansen)

C Ethan Albright (age: 37) no problems.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 23, 2009 1:19 AM | Report abuse

Does anybody really believe we would draft a left tackle and move Pro Bowler Chris Samuels to right tackle? So our left tackle depth chart would be rookie-Heyer and our right tackle depth chart would be Samuels-Jansen? Anybody really believe that could happen at the beginning of this season, or any time this season?

Given his recent injuries and his knees it would help extend his career. He is better on the field as the captain of this offensive line than off the field on the IR. His value now at this age would increase by moving him right and keeping him health. What if he were given the chance to mentor a talented but undisciplined tackle who emulates him, wants to follow in his footsteps? And even went to his alma mater.

I am certain he would help make him the best left tackle in the league very quickly. That is why they should move heaven and earth not to draft Sanchez, but to get a hold of Andre Smith.

Posted by: periculum | April 23, 2009 1:20 AM | Report abuse

Does anybody really believe we would draft a left tackle and move Pro Bowler Chris Samuels to right tackle?

Imagine having, once again, TWO tackles going to the pro bowl instead of one. With Andre Smith that could happen.

Posted by: periculum | April 23, 2009 1:21 AM | Report abuse

RT Jon Jansen (age: 33) sprained a ligament in his left knee in week 14; broken right ankle ended his season in 2007 in Week 1.

Think he also had a torn achilles ... that I think is why his mobility is now so limited.

Posted by: periculum | April 23, 2009 1:23 AM | Report abuse

I want Jason Campbell to succeed as much as any 'Skins Fan.

Regardless of my opinion, I feel he is outta Washington with anything short of a 10-6 record. With Snyder around it may need to be 11-5.

Posted by: Vicc | April 23, 2009 1:24 AM | Report abuse

He has a quick first step as a run blocker and generally takes good angles. Shows good body control in space as a blocker and does an outstanding job of hitting the moving target on the second-level. Uses leverage to his advantage, displays adequate upper-body strength and works hard to sustain his blocks once locked on. He has been durable and reliable throughout his career. Continues to improve with more experience and is a hard worker with solid overall intangibles.

Who is this offensive lineman? Its Fred Davis. Its why so many think Cooley might be trade bait as opposed to Campbell. This guy should help the blocking on the O-line as well. And he catches passes pretty well.

Posted by: periculum | April 23, 2009 1:26 AM | Report abuse

I want to give JC one more year, but I'm starting to believe that he has peaked as an average QB.

Posted by: Vicc | April 23, 2009 1:04 AM

There is nothing to suggest he has peaked. His performance has improved every year, and in fact, is better than Hasselbeck's when Zorn arrived in Seattle in Hasselbeck's 3rd year in the NFL. Hasselbeck improved in his second year with Zorn (he was actually benched in his first year under Zorn), and went on to play in 3 Pro Bowls.

JC17 has played the equivalent of barely over 2 seasons (36 games, with 1 season under Zorn), and was very effective before the OL fell apart in the second half of last season.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 23, 2009 1:29 AM | Report abuse

C Ethan Albright (age: 37) no problems.

Albright is a long snapper.

C Casey Rabach (Age: 31) no problems.

Noting that Pittsburgh is picked by many to draft C/G Mack in the 1st round. Their center Justin Hartwig is 30 and the oldest member of an OL with the rest of the starters under 27.

Posted by: periculum | April 23, 2009 1:38 AM | Report abuse

Cooley is untradeable in a salary cap environment, and is worth a lot more in a Redskins uniform than anywhere else.
Fred Davis was someone that popped in the 'best player available' list -- when he's your #20 and you can pick him at #45, it's not something you need a lot of backroom tea-leaf reading to explain.
I'd love to see Davis produce some this year -- there were a half-dozen plays last year where he and Campbell just missed linking up on big plays. But you have to think in terms of Cooley AND Davis.

Posted by: daggar | April 23, 2009 1:50 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the correction, periculum. Interesting comparison with the age of the Steelers O-line. I didn't verify the numbers, but a blogger at hogshaven.com last year said:

The average age of the Redskins offensive line is 32. That's the highest average in the league by a substantial margin. The 2nd highest were the Cowboys, at 30; everyone else is comfortable around 26-29.
Five of our starters are 30 or older. Exactly one other team has three players who are 30 or over: Da Bears. Everyone else is 2 or below.

That was *before* all the injuries and surgeries and the extra year older since then.

But Dockery brings the average down a bit, since he's replacing a guy who is 7 years older--althought Kendall was actually a bright spot on the O-line last year.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 23, 2009 1:52 AM | Report abuse

I feel for the Caps -- #2 vs. #7 always seems like a tough draw, and they've run into that wildcard of NHL playoff hockey -- the hot goalie.

Posted by: daggar | April 23, 2009 1:54 AM | Report abuse

But you have to think in terms of Cooley AND Davis.

Posted by: daggar | April 23, 2009

If they move Cooley into the slot.

Davis is a far better run blocker. Have to assume that he will learn pass blocking skills. Have to assume he will start at TE if his pass catching skills are what they were touted to be as a higher draft pick.

Cooley could solve the #1 possession receiver problem with Davis taking over the TE duties. Moss, Cooley, Davis and hopefully at some point Devin Thomas. Sellers becomes a full-time blocker again.

Posted by: periculum | April 23, 2009 2:01 AM | Report abuse

"3 years in is when you can realistically start to grade a draft class.Posted by: Yoder-"

And if that's true, then we can't call last year's Skins class a failure, can we?

But the truth is, most teams in today's NFL -- NE or Washington or whoever -- don't give players that three years, either.

That's because the pressure to win is too great.

In Washington, it's from fans desperate to cheer for a winner, and an owner who's as big a fan as the rest of us.

In NE, the fans are a little more satiated than in DC, and the owner is a bit more patient, but Belichick knows it would only take one bad season and people would start asking if he was past it.

If you ask me, the biggest difference between this NFL and the NFL of the Seventies is the pressure to win NOW.

In case you're wondering why Danny makes those decisions, it's because he has lost his patience with the process.

RIght now folks are caught up in the draft, and the calls for Vinny's head are just a little bit muted, but wait til the season starts.

It's crazy. Everybody knows you build a consistent winner in increments. And yet once the season begins, everyone seems to forget that.

Unless you sweep the table, that is, like NE did that one season.

In which case, you damn well better win the Super Bowl.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 23, 2009 4:04 AM | Report abuse

Salary Cap Space As Of April 22
Posted by Mike Florio on April 22, 2009, 10:41 p.m. EDT
Arizona Cardinals: $1.29 million.

Atlanta Falcons: $23.67 million.

Baltimore Ravens: $968,000.

Buffalo Bills: $11.82 million.

Carolina Panthers: $2.69 million.

Chicago Bears: $20.96 million.

Cincinnati Bengals: $16.26 million.

Cleveland Browns: $20.27 million.

Dallas Cowboys: $10.35 million.

Denver Broncos: $16.3 million.

Detroit Lions: $10.72 million.

Green Bay Packers: $27.89 million.

Houston Texans: $10.75 million.

Indianapolis Colts: $7.10 million.

Jacksonville Jaguars: $16.94 million.

Kansas City Chiefs: $32.3 million.

Miami Dolphins: $13.19 million.

Minnesota Vikings: $17.32 million.

New England Patriots: $4.67 million.

New Orleans Saints: $4.29 million.

New York Giants: $4.37 million.

New York Jets: $12.62 million.

Oakland Raiders: $9.33 million.

Philadelphia Eagles: $37.44 million.

Pittsburgh Steelers: $440,000.

San Diego Chargers: $8.56 million.

San Francisco 49ers: $26.11 million.

Seattle Seahawks: $7.41 million.

St. Louis Rams: $10.67 million.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers: $35.54 million.

Tennessee Titans: $13.05 million.

Washington Redskins: $5.96 million.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 23, 2009 6:25 AM | Report abuse

"I'd love to see Davis produce some this year -- there were a half-dozen plays last year where he and Campbell just missed linking up on big plays. But you have to think in terms of Cooley AND Davis.Posted by: daggar"

That was the whole point -- you need two good TEs to make the Zorn scheme shine. Like I said before, we haven't really seen that scheme yet.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 23, 2009 6:49 AM | Report abuse

the Washington Redskins could trade up in an attempt to select a potential franchise quarterback, team officials said yesterday, such as Southern California's Mark Sanchez.

Not going to happen and the more the Post write about it the better I feel.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 23, 2009 6:58 AM | Report abuse

Genius statements like this are what make RI a must read for anybody who wants the skinny on the Skins.

Posted by: AntonChigurh

commenting on statements without taking into account the context makes you the "genius" pal.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 23, 2009 6:59 AM | Report abuse

"Fortunately for the Patriots, they haven't had to give up a bunch of 1st round picks for any of those QBs. And they don't have to go back a decade and a half for one who's had the undisputed starting position for more than a couple of seasons.Posted by: Alan4"

HOW THE PATRIOTS GOT THEIR QBs

NE used pick #199, a compensatory pick in the sixth round. They were searching for a backup and considered both Brady and Tim Rattay, rated about equal. Brady worked as the number 4 QB behind Bledsoe, John Friesz, and Michael Bishop, but by the end of the season had become number two. During his rookie season, he was 1-for-3 passing, for 6 yards.

After it became apparent that Rohan Davey was not the second coming of Steve McNair, the Pats took a flyer on Matt Cassel of USC. Norm Chow, Cassel's coach at Southern Cal, now with Tennessee, had thought about signing Matt as a free agent and was surprised when he was drafted by NE with pick 230.

So as you can plainly see, no luck was involved with either of these picks.

Just follow that blueprint, Vinny. Only draft QBs with a 6th or 7th rounder, and hope one of them turns out.

I see Super Bowls in our future, don't you?

Posted by: Samson151 | April 23, 2009 7:13 AM | Report abuse

ifthethunder: "And then we spent the season with Moss, ARE, and James Thrash at WR, and Cooley and Yoder at TE.And in spite of having a seriously depleted O.L., Chad Rinehart did not suit up for a single game.We weren't decent at WR, we were bad."

Nah, you're overstating it. Moss and ARE are quite respectable -- Moss a star, even. That's 'Thrash', not trash. Cooley's a very productive receiving TE, and Yoder is a blocker. You can criticize the three rooks, with some justification, for not coming to camp in shape and taking too long to learn their roles. But it's no disgrace to sit behind that veteran group.

As far as Rhinehart, that's a bit of a mystery. He looked all-world against other rookies the first week of camp, but the vets took him apart. I guess he came on some in the second half, but not enough to get in a game.

What is it they say? Can't judge a draft class the first year? Both the Skins and the Pats ought to be glad of that. They didn't get much from their class, either.

Except Chris Horton. He was a surprise, wasn't he?

Posted by: Samson151 | April 23, 2009 7:23 AM | Report abuse

It's crazy. Everybody knows you build a consistent winner in increments. And yet once the season begins, everyone seems to forget that.

Unless you sweep the table, that is, like NE did that one season.

In which case, you damn well better win the Super Bowl.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 23, 2009 4:04 AM

I don't think many of us have forgotten that Samson. We just expext improvement. I, for one, don't expect a Super Bowl. I would like to see us win 1 playoff game though. We saw absolutely zero improvement for years until Gibbs 2.0 then 2 playoff appearences in 3 years. Now we want a little more. Unfortunately we had to change up everything when it looked like we might be starting to get somewhere. Now the patience is gone again and the fear of sub mediocrity with Snyderatto running the show has surfaced again.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 23, 2009 7:29 AM | Report abuse

periculum: "Young aggressive offensive linemen aren't going to get beat up. They are going to do the "whup assing" if they can. And they do that through making the running game successful. That's when they get to pound on the d-line and linebackers. Eventually wearing them down so that when the 4th quarter comes around they are leading plays that break off 10-20+ yard runs."

More of this stuff, when will it end? Most O-linemen prefer to block for the run; you get to push forward rather than rock back on your heels. Young guys are almost always better run-blockers than pass protectors. It's pass protection that's the real skill set. Young guys may be more active and have better stamina, but they usually have less refined technique, and are more vulnerable to penalties.

If you accept that the emphasis on the run game in the first half of the season wore down the aging linemen, you should also expect that it wore Portis down, too.

If we want to improve the running game, improve the passing game.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 23, 2009 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else see McShay say Tyson Jackson is being viewed as a top 5 pick by some teams last night? I don't see him getting past Denver.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 23, 2009 7:50 AM | Report abuse

"I'm trying to win Superbowls".

Bwahhahahahahaha! I spit up my Cheerios on that one. Danny's record over 10 years of ownership is not even .500.

My favorite part: it's plural. Danny's not trying to win just one Superbowl -- he's trying to win lots of Superbowls. Who knew?

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | April 23, 2009 7:51 AM | Report abuse

""I didn't buy the team as an investment. I'm trying to win Super Bowls." That quote is the biggest lie ive heard since Nixon was in office. This guy is jus plain stupid. How hard is it to copy what Pitts, Colts, Pats and Giants do? Pileup draft picks and draft football players not great athletes.

Posted by: genx1015 "


Wow, you make it sound so simple. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say it's not nearly as simple as you think it is.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 23, 2009 8:08 AM | Report abuse

"Quoting thetruth11:"Most everyone up here roots for the uniform, not the player"
I do not agree with that, most fans appreciate a hard working player, and in some cases; fall in love. Recently what about Seaun Taylor, did we just love No 21 jersey or the phenom whose life was sadly caught short?
Hail!

Posted by: abxinc "

I never said that quote you quoted.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 23, 2009 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Also, great news on Andre Smith, the kid is still blowing it!

Apparently three teams called him to talk with him, I believe they were all in the top 10, and he didn't answer but instead text messaged them back.

Saw this on ESPN yesterday, whoever was reporting it said two of the three teams have significantly lowered him on their boards.

They could be BSing though, but I'm hoping Andre Smith falls to us.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 23, 2009 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Snyder on the draft process: "You just have to be patient.

Which is why we are going to impatiently throw our QB under the bus and fall in love with a stripper.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 23, 2009 8:17 AM | Report abuse

"Apparently three teams called him to talk with him, I believe they were all in the top 10, and he didn't answer but instead text messaged them back."

Chris Samuels told him talking on the phone is overrated.

"U want 2 draft me? Cool, lol!"

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 23, 2009 8:19 AM | Report abuse

If they move Cooley into the slot.

Davis is a far better run blocker. Have to assume that he will learn pass blocking skills. Have to assume he will start at TE if his pass catching skills are what they were touted to be as a higher draft pick.

Cooley could solve the #1 possession receiver problem with Davis taking over the TE duties. Moss, Cooley, Davis and hopefully at some point Devin Thomas. Sellers becomes a full-time blocker again.

Posted by: periculum | April 23, 2009 2:01 AM | Report abuse


I was saying this all last season.

I don't know why they wouldn't use Cooley in the slot in some of their 3 WR sets. This way you have your 3 best pass catchers out there running routes.

They could have kept Yoder in at TE to block (he's a pretty good blocker).

Oh well. I guess the problem with this idea is that it made sense...

Posted by: p1funk | April 23, 2009 8:34 AM | Report abuse

"I don't know why they wouldn't use Cooley in the slot in some of their 3 WR sets. This way you have your 3 best pass catchers out there running routes."

They did do that. Pretty often, if I recall correctly. The problem is that Cooley can't run deep routes against DBs due to speed mismatches, so his slot ability is limited. It takes away an option the defense has to worry about. He can't be a full-timer there. That's why they need Devin Thomas or Malcolm Kelly to step up.

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Yeah Cooley was lined up several times as a wideout. Why isn't he as effective anymore. 1td and that was from ARE.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 23, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

‘Skins Talking Extension With McIntosh
Posted by Mike Florio on April 23, 2009, 8:44 a.m.
Apparently, that $5.96 million in cap space is burning a hole in the Redskins’ loin cloths. (That’s an image we could live without.)

The ‘Skins are talking to linebacker Rocky McIntosh about a new deal.

According to agent Drew Rosenhaus, who recently was hired to represent McIntosh, a meeting occurred Thursday morning at Redskins Park regarding a possible contract extension.

McIntosh is entering the final year of his four-year rookie deal. He’s due to earn a base salary of $535,000 in 2009. The second-round pick from the 2006 draft appeared in 16 games last season, starting 15 of them.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 23, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

They're getting McIntosh done before Campbell or Rogers...interesting


‘Skins Talking Extension With McIntosh
Posted by Mike Florio on April 23, 2009, 8:44 a.m. EDT

Apparently, that $5.96 million in cap space is burning a hole in the Redskins’ loin cloths. (That’s an image we could live without.)

The ‘Skins are talking to linebacker Rocky McIntosh about a new deal.

According to agent Drew Rosenhaus, who recently was hired to represent McIntosh, a meeting occurred Thursday morning at Redskins Park regarding a possible contract extension.

McIntosh is entering the final year of his four-year rookie deal. He’s due to earn a base salary of $535,000 in 2009. The second-round pick from the 2006 draft appeared in 16 games last season, starting 15 of them.

Posted by: TWISI | April 23, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

I haven't read comments yet... but here's what bothers me about Zorn:

In one breath he tells you he doesn't want to evaluate a player who isn't on the roster - and in the next he's telling you how much he studies each player they're considering in the draft.

If you're going to feed us BS, try not to contradict yourself so much. He's starting to feel like a Saban to me. He did this last year w/ Portis, too.

Transparency is almost a given now w/ all the coverage FOs & Coarching staffs are under. If you're going to state something and expect people to buy it, you're going to have to back it up.

Sadly, I feel we're in for a change as soon as one of the 'big boi' Coarches come available. Still, I hope he can pull out a 10-6 and hit the playoffs. Or at least a 2-14 beating the CowPatties twice! hehehehe

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 23, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Well, it makes sense.

Rocky has Drew as an agent, who usually gets his clients new contracts BEFORE they expire.

Campbell and CR22 don't.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 23, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

"They're getting McIntosh done before Campbell or Rogers...interesting"

My guess is they'll expect that he'll be a lot cheaper than Rogers. You know Rogers is going to want a similar deal to Hall, or at least in the ballpark. McIntosh, and linebackers in general, should be much cheaper.

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

The rocky mac contract versus Rogers/Campbell, to me means, that they think they can sign Rocky for a lot less than the other 2, which makes sense. Rocky has been an ok to good performer, nothing spectacular. A short money deal would make sense. To me anyway.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 23, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

‘Skins Talking Extension With McIntosh
Posted by Mike Florio on April 23, 2009, 8:44 a.m. EDT

Why would you extend to this guy, breaking down at the end of the season last year and really has not been that much of a standout, also he kind of has no real identity with oud D, If snyder is all about superbowls wait till the man deserves to get an new contract then pay him, im not sure that he deserves one, certainly not at this juncture.

Posted by: Stu27 | April 23, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

They did do that. Pretty often, if I recall correctly. The problem is that Cooley can't run deep routes against DBs due to speed mismatches, so his slot ability is limited. It takes away an option the defense has to worry about. He can't be a full-timer there. That's why they need Devin Thomas or Malcolm Kelly to step up.

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse


They didn't. Trust me, I was watching. Cooley was on my fantasy team and so I had every incentive to watch where he lined up on almost every play.

The majority of his catches came on TE screens (where he runs after the catch) or on flair routes into the flat (where he runs after the catch).

Every now and then on 3rd and long they would send him a little deep in the seam, but they kept him in on the vast majority of plays b/c of our suspect pass-blocking. I recall Zorn even saying as much during the season. As a result, he ended up catching alot of balls, but very few big plays.

Posted by: p1funk | April 23, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

‘Skins Talking Extension With McIntosh
Posted by Mike Florio on April 23, 2009, 8:44 a.m. EDT

Posted by: Stu27 | April 23, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

I hope they calculate the extension on the assumption that Rocky is good for about 50-75% of the season before his chronic knee condition prevents him from getting on the field.

Posted by: p1funk | April 23, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Unless CR22 becomes a TO machine, he won't get a Hall contract...

I suspect Rocky would get an incentive laden deal that would not be gaurenteed against injury. Plus, next year is the unCAPped year. I see most of his gaurentees being pushed into next year in an Option Bonus.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 23, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Sounds to me like Zorn isn't too interested in Sanchez. I wonder if the two knuckleheads care.

Posted by: kost52 | April 23, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

"Once upon a time, in a land far away, there was a team with a dominating O-line. This dominating O-line was known as The Hogs. Althought QBs and RBs changed, this team managed to go 3-1 in Super Bowls--with 3 different QBs--over a span of 9 years. Yes, 4 SB appearances in less than a decade with 3 different QBs!

Strangely, two different QBs were named Super Bowl MVPs--neither a HOF type QB--due to the awesome protection they got from the dominating O-line.

The end.


Posted by: Alan4"


I'm so tired of this argument. Yes, we get it. We know we used to have a dominating offensive line. A dominating offensive line will probably win some games for you, yes. But name me teams right now that have dominating offensive lines. Off the top of my head I can't think of any. And I'm not talking very good, I'm talking dominating. That is JUST as hard to find/build as the fabled "franchise QB".

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 23, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

On Cooley...

Also forgot to mention that Cooley can be effective against the DBs by posting them up. He doesn't need to burn by them or shake them on his routes. Last year in the opener, you may recall, that Plax caught like a dozen balls against us and the vast majority were routes that he ran straight at the DB, then turned and posted them up. His body and reach gave him the advantage and the DB could only tackle after the catch or go through him and potentially get a PI call. Cooley can be effective against DBs in the same way.

Posted by: p1funk | April 23, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

I would think the reason they're nailing down Rocky is that he'll be cheap & productive, barring injury, of course. IF they sign him now. If he has good numbers this year, his price will go WAY up.

both Rogers & JC seem to be in tentative states, tradeable commodities or just let 'em go & replace....

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 23, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

The rocky mac contract versus Rogers/Campbell, to me means, that they think they can sign Rocky for a lot less than the other 2, which makes sense. Rocky has been an ok to good performer, nothing spectacular. A short money deal would make sense. To me anyway.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 23, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

If our tackle isn't there at 13 and we can't trade down, how about grabbing Malcom Jenkins?

He could play the slot this year, and we could cut Smoot and let Rogers walk next season if he demands a Hall contract.

Posted by: p1funk | April 23, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Remember how Bravaro used to burn us on that seam route??!! Arrgh - I still have nightmares.

I always wondered why we never did that.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 23, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

TRUTH - So you're advocating for Andre Smith - a guy to this point who has shown no initiative, desire or level of maturity whatsoever (this new text message thing is shocking) -

AGAINST JC - a guy who has been a good player for us, totally loyal and a stand up guy/team player -

FOR Sanchez - a guy who has only had a good couple weeks of NFL scouting -

and AGAINST the importance of offensive line.

Danny - is that you?

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 23, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Before Rocky got hurt that one year he was all over the place. Lets hope he and Rogers are better this year.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 23, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

"Unless CR22 becomes a TO machine, he won't get a Hall contract..."

If he plays like he did last year, somebody will give him a ballpark DHall contract. May not be the Redskins who love, above all else, "splash", but not every GM in the league turns a blind eye to fundamentally sound and extremely effective players. (Take Nate Clements, for example. Averaged 2.5 INTs a season for his Buffalo career, yet scored the richest contract ever for a CB at the time). Carlos Rogers will not re-sign here for anything other than a top corner's contract.

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Carlos Rogers will not re-sign here for anything other than a top corner's contract.

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse


...and so maybe Malcolm Jenkins is in play at 13 if we can't get our tackle or trade down?

Posted by: p1funk | April 23, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Malauga is going to be one hell of a player. A young Junior Seau if you will. We never had a linebacker like that. We need to get this guy if and only if we can't snag a Tackle.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 23, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

p1, you might be onto something. Hypothetically, could they be thinking that they can only 'franchise' one guy, between Rogers/Campbell?? Maybe they're thinking of moving Rogers, drafting Jenkins, and using the pick/picks from Rogers for OL?? Just throwing it out there....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 23, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Is the draft on at a beerable time over there?

Posted by: kost52 | April 23, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

"...and so maybe Malcolm Jenkins is in play at 13 if we can't get our tackle or trade down?

Posted by: p1funk"

No sir. Rogers isn't gone yet. We KNOW Daniels, Wynn, and Carter aren't here long term. Daniels and Wynn have one year, Carter has two. None of them factor in long-term. Rogers still has a chance. CB is down on the list, behind OT, DE, OLB, and C/G. And it's not like Jenkins is an elite prospect that may fall to us. He's a "good" prospect, just like the batch of DEs likely to be there.

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

p1, you might be onto something. Hypothetically, could they be thinking that they can only 'franchise' one guy, between Rogers/Campbell?? Maybe they're thinking of moving Rogers, drafting Jenkins, and using the pick/picks from Rogers for OL?? Just throwing it out there....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 23, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse


I'd be more supportive of grabbing the best CB in the draft at #13 (assuming we can't get our tackle) than taking a DE. Especially in this defense where DEs mostly plug the run.

CB is one of those premium positions that I don't mind taking a high-pick flyer on, and you can never be too deep at CB.

Posted by: p1funk | April 23, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Is the draft on at a beerable time over there?

Posted by: kost52 | April 23, 2009 9:29 AM |

4:00PM Est.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 23, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

"Malauga is going to be one hell of a player. A young Junior Seau if you will. We never had a linebacker like that. We need to get this guy if and only if we can't snag a Tackle."

I agree. I think he can be a better version of Fletcher...the heart and soul of the defense. Maualuga eventually playing behing Haynesworth? Yikes. If the OT's are gone, and Tyson Jackson is off the board...I say go with Maualuga.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 23, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

"Take Nate Clements, for example. Averaged 2.5 INTs a season for his Buffalo career, yet scored the richest contract ever for a CB at the time

That should say less than 2.5 INTs a season. 2.167 to be exact.

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

"Is the draft on at a beerable time over there?"

Anytime is a beerable time.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 23, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Flounder, guess that means I have to decide on whether to have an early start or a late finish!

Posted by: kost52 | April 23, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

It always beer-thirty in HeaVEn..And God always thirsty..

Posted by: frak | April 23, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

No sir. Rogers isn't gone yet.

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse


But Rogers is one of the few guys on this team that we could probably move and get picks in return.

Seriously, Rogers played great for the first half of last season, apart from that he's been mostly disappointing for being a No.9 pick, and he continues to have some glaring flaws in his game (double-moves, can't grab picks).

He's gonna demand a Hall-type contract and we should not give him that.

Posted by: p1funk | April 23, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

PSP - I agree on all fronts, except for the contract. But only time will tale on that......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 23, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

I believe they will re-sign Carlos. They don't have the cap space to do it now. He is a great cover corner. It's just a shame he can't catch.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 23, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Can we all agree that we do have some interesting options. It's nice to have options. We can get a starter at 13. More than likely we could have gotten another starter with our second rounder we sent to Miami. See where I am going with this FO. We can build a very competitive team by using our draft picks, and supplement that with a few key FA pickups and voilla, 11-5, 12-4. Wasting money and draftpicks 9-7, 8-8, 7-9.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 23, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Do you think they could be holding off on Carlos at this stage, to see how DeAngelo pans out?

Posted by: kost52 | April 23, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

"It's just a shame he can't catch."

What's that saying? If he could catch he'd be a WR. This is why I didn't like the Hall signing, it set the bar too high. Considering all aspects of being a corner, I think Los is better than Hall.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 23, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Get Carlos on the receiver corps routine, I remember at least 3 dropped passes that may have won the game last year!!

Posted by: frak | April 23, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

"But Rogers is one of the few guys on this team that we could probably move and get picks in return."

But what kind of picks? If Rogers goes for a second rounder and we draft Jenkins, what have we done? We've have the same caliber secondary (if Jenkins is as good as Rogers, not an easy thing to be), and now we're attempting to fill the same holes we had before with a 2nd rounder instead of a 1st. Of course, we'd have Jenkins long-term, but I don't think it's worth the impact right now.

If you want to trade Rogers, wait until next season. Either he's a RFA due to the CBA(which if he signs with another team, especially a monster contract, will give us better compensation than anything we could get this year), or you franchise him if the CBA is re-tooled and trade him then. Either way, the other positions on the team are a higher priority right now. If it comes down to it, draft a CB next season.

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Is the draft on at a beerable time over there?
Posted by: kost52 | April 23, 2009 9:29 AM |
4:00PM Est.
Posted by: Flounder21 | April 23, 2009 9:32 AM

Which means the skins (if they don’t trade up) won’t be picking until at least 7pm…..I will be at a bar at the beach, plenty drunk by that point (happy hour actually starts at 2pm on saturdays for me and the wife). I just hope I leave whatever bar I’m at a happy drunk, not a mad drunk…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 23, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

"Considering all aspects of being a corner, I think Los is better than Hall.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who"

Same here. Hall may end up with 2, maybe 3 more INTs, but the every down play that Carlos provides more than makes up for it (not to mention his hitting, which knocked one WR out of the game last season, Cribbs, and single-handedly caused another INT, McIntosh's vs Dallas).

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

"Which means the skins (if they don’t trade up) won’t be picking until at least 7pm.."

Wouldn't the 13th pick be around 6ish? If the 12 teams take all 10 min...that's 2 hours.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 23, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Can someone explain to me something. We are 6 mil under the cap. Does this include the rookie pool? If not, what is the rookie pool?

If we did move up into the top 5 to get Sanchez could we sign him? he would be like 9 mill a year or something right?

There has been no discussions on this and I really don't know how signing rookies effects the cap. Anyone know?

Thanks.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 23, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Can we all agree that we do have some interesting options. It's nice to have options. We can get a starter at 13. More than likely we could have gotten another starter with our second rounder we sent to Miami. See where I am going with this FO. We can build a very competitive team by using our draft picks, and supplement that with a few key FA pickups and voilla, 11-5, 12-4. Wasting money and draftpicks 9-7, 8-8, 7-9.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 23, 2009 9:44 AM |


AMEN, AMEN, AMEN!!!!!!!

Posted by: stwasm | April 23, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

I say when its our turn at #13, we give the Giants, Dolphins, and Pats a call, see if theyre interested in moving up to #13 (and maybe a 6th) for their 2 2nd rounders... we get Loadholt/Robinson and the best RT available, then get the best DE/OLB left on the board with our 3rd rounder.

That would solve 3 needs with one fell swoop. Dream scenario.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 23, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Wouldn't the 13th pick be around 6ish? If the 12 teams take all 10 min...that's 2 hours.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 23, 2009 9:51 AM

Oops, you're right; I forgot that they cut it down from 15 min for each pick.....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 23, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

I actually think Rogers would be a NASTY free safety. He can hit, he has range, and if he's able to play with his eyes on the QB and the ball the whole time instead of having to react in a split-second with the receiver, his hands are bound to look better than they've seemed. Plus it would allow Landry to drop in the box, allow Rogers to match up with slot receivers giving the defense more versatility, and put a "cobra" package of he, Landry, and Horton out there.

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

The Giants' 2007 draft is one that gets held up as an example of great drafting and an impact rookie class. It was these rooks, it's often said, who made the difference in the Super Bowl. So how'd they do the second year?

1. Aaron Ross CB -- now a starter, had 52 tackles, 3 INTs. Looks like a keeper.

Steve Smith WR - He wasn't a factor as a rookie, but started 4 games last season. Had 57 rec. and 1 TD, with a respectable 10yds per catch.

Jay Alford NT - also no factor the first year, but 3 starts & 15 total tackles in Yr 2.

Zak DeOssie LB - not much either year. 12 tackles as a soph. No starts.

Kevin Boss TE - one of the big rookie stars of the Super Bowl campaign. Started only 2 games but had 9 catches for 118 yards, a glossy 13.4 avg. and 2 TDs. As a soph, he started all games, caught just 33 passes for 384 yds, but six were for TDs.

Adam Koets OT - no contribution either year

Michael Johnson S
16 starts, 72 tkles, 1 INT - a find. However the team did drafted another safety in the first round last year.

Ahmad Bradshaw RB - the other SB star. As a rookie, he carried 23 times for 190 yards, a ridiculous 8.3 yards per carry, and 2TD
The next year he spent mostly on the bench. (67 carries for 355, 5.3 average, 1TD).

And that, in terms of rookie impact, is a stunningly great class. In the first place, all made the team. Three of them contributed to a successful season -- most because of injuries, but still, they stepped up.

Some improved the second year, some didn't.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 23, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

But what kind of picks? If Rogers goes for a second rounder and we draft Jenkins, what have we done? We've have the same caliber secondary (if Jenkins is as good as Rogers, not an easy thing to be), and now we're attempting to fill the same holes we had before with a 2nd rounder instead of a 1st. Of course, we'd have Jenkins long-term, but I don't think it's worth the impact right now.

If you want to trade Rogers, wait until next season. Either he's a RFA due to the CBA(which if he signs with another team, especially a monster contract, will give us better compensation than anything we could get this year), or you franchise him if the CBA is re-tooled and trade him then. Either way, the other positions on the team are a higher priority right now. If it comes down to it, draft a CB next season.

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse


My scenario assumes that we are not able to get our LT at #13. So let's play it out:

-we trade Carlos for a 2nd rounder or maybe a 3rd rounder and a later pick

-we take Jenkins at 13

-in the 2nd or 3rd round we are able to grab one of the "lower-tier" linemen - say Beatty or Britton or Loadholt

We stave off a potentially ugly situation in terms of re-signing Rogers (who will likely demand a Hall-contract that he should not get). We keep our CB position stockpiled and Jenkins can be here longer for less $$. AND we get a quality lineman at the right price/place in the draft.

Posted by: p1funk | April 23, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Considering all aspects of being a corner, I think Los is better than Hall.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 23, 2009 9:45 AM

Totally disagree. Hall will add that 'Deon' swagger to the Defense. What we haven't had since Champ/LaVar old days, but ow they have support.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 23, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

"It's just a shame he can't catch."

What's that saying? If he could catch he'd be a WR. This is why I didn't like the Hall signing, it set the bar too high. Considering all aspects of being a corner, I think Los is better than Hall.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 23, 2009 9:45 AM

Hall was an UFA so they had to sign him now. They probably slightly overpaid. He gets about 10M per annum, whereas Asante Samuel gets about 9M. Rogers will command at least 8M and maybe more. Next year they should be able to sign him, especially if it is truely to be an uncapped year.

The defensive backfield is the Redskins' strongest unit. Some posters here don't seem to appreciate it.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 23, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

"I actually think Rogers would be a NASTY free safety."

Now there's an idea. He has a big frame to add on more muscle too. That could definitely be an option in a pinch, and down the line when he loses some of his speed. Right now he has the cover speed you need to take advantage of as a corner.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 23, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

FROM THE FANHOUSE:


Reports have the Lions trying to get a deal done with Georgia quarterback Matthew Stafford. Pro Football Talk reports the team has made its best offer, and Stafford's people will likely wait until the Friday deadline to accept. If Stafford doesn't take the offer, the Lions have an alternative.

Tom Kowalski of MLive.com reports the Lions have a deal in place with Wake Forest linebacker Aaron Curry, and they will take Curry if the Stafford deal falls through

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 23, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Now my question is if everyone loves Sanchez so much how come the LIONS are tryin tom work a deal out with Stafford everyone has Sanchez ranked higher and with the greatest possibility of becoming a franchize QB than Stafford why arent the LIONS going after SANCHEZ any thoughts???

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 23, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

"Considering all aspects of being a corner, I think Los is better than Hall.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who"

Same here. Hall may end up with 2, maybe 3 more INTs, but the every down play that Carlos provides more than makes up for it (not to mention his hitting, which knocked one WR out of the game last season, Cribbs, and single-handedly caused another INT, McIntosh's vs Dallas).

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse


Have to disagree. I'm trying to remember a time when D.Hall got viciously burned or missed a big tackle that ended up in a big-play and I can't think of one. When he was with us, he played solid CB AND he got the picks.

Yes, Rogers is more of a bigger/physical CB, a better tackler, but he also has big liabilities - getting burned on the deep moves, he doesn't have recovery speed, and the hands.

Posted by: p1funk | April 23, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

"Hall was an UFA so they had to sign him now. They probably slightly overpaid."

Yea, the overpaid part is my only problem. Considering it will make it harder to keep Los if a salary cap is in place next year. Hall was getting looks elsewhere though, so I guess they did what they had to do in the end. Just wish they got him cheaper.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 23, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

"I haven't read comments yet... but here's what bothers me about Zorn:

In one breath he tells you he doesn't want to evaluate a player who isn't on the roster - and in the next he's telling you how much he studies each player they're considering in the draft.

If you're going to feed us BS, try not to contradict yourself so much. He's starting to feel like a Saban to me. He did this last year w/ Portis, too.

Transparency is almost a given now w/ all the coverage FOs & Coarching staffs are under. If you're going to state something and expect people to buy it, you're going to have to back it up.

Sadly, I feel we're in for a change as soon as one of the 'big boi' Coarches come available. Still, I hope he can pull out a 10-6 and hit the playoffs. Or at least a 2-14 beating the CowPatties twice! hehehehe

Posted by: DikShuttle "

1) I think Zorn was using that to get out of answering any direct questions about certain players. Reporters can put people on the spot with some of the question, and very few head coaches, I would think, would want to answer a bunch of questions about what if scenarios three days before the draft.

2) Why do you keep saying "coarches"? What kind of accent is that? Ohio?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 23, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Considering all aspects of being a corner, I think Los is better than Hall.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 23, 2009 9:45 AM

Totally disagree. Hall will add that 'Deon' swagger to the Defense. What we haven't had since Champ/LaVar old days, but ow they have support.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 23, 2009 10:00 AM

If Hall reminded me of Deion I would have a very hard time rooting for him. Fortunately he doesn't.

I don't see a better cover corner in the league than Carlos. The way he shut down T.O. and Fitzgerald... And he is very tough - hard hitting and all that. What Hall has is blazing speed and great hands. And hey, I got man-love for Smoot as well.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 23, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Rogers is just a little above average cover corner, terrible hands, I mean he has the Braylon Edwards Dropsies. If Braylon comes to the Giants and Los has to cover him. The QB might as well not throw over there cause no one would catch it.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 23, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

"What we haven't had since Champ/LaVar old days, but ow they have support....."

Yes, but the support largely came from the secondary and the incredibly steady performance from those guys. Lose Rogers and you largely lose that support.

Of course, adding Haynesworth is bound to change that (hopefully). Throw in a pass-rusher that can take advantage of the 1-on-1s that Haynesworth provides with his drawn double and triple teams, and this defense is in business.

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

"Have to disagree. I'm trying to remember a time when D.Hall got viciously burned..."

DeSean Jackson burned him twice in the 2nd Philly game. Hall takes chances to come up with those coveted INT's, sometimes he pays for it. Los doesn't get burned as much as Hall, and is much more physical.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 23, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

BS - Sanchez has been projected to WCO/Spread teams. Detriot isn't one of those teams.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 23, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

"Rogers is just a little above average cover corner, terrible hands, I mean he has the Braylon Edwards Dropsies. If Braylon comes to the Giants and Los has to cover him. The QB might as well not throw over there cause no one would catch it."

So in the same sentence that you called Rogers a "little above average", you insinuated that Braylon Edwards is also a little above average. Whatever you say, my friend...

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Trade Portis!

Posted by: Kohlrums | April 23, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

"TRUTH - So you're advocating for Andre Smith - a guy to this point who has shown no initiative, desire or level of maturity whatsoever (this new text message thing is shocking) -

AGAINST JC - a guy who has been a good player for us, totally loyal and a stand up guy/team player -

FOR Sanchez - a guy who has only had a good couple weeks of NFL scouting -

and AGAINST the importance of offensive line.

Danny - is that you?

Posted by: Rypien11"

1) lol @ thnking da txt mssg thng is big deal

2) I'm not against JC at all.

3) I never said we should trade up for Sanchez, or that we should even draft Sanchez. I said I might be alright with it. If Campbell performs average or below average and we don't resign him after this year, then where are we? Todd Collins and Colt Brennan?

4) My ideal draft would be something like Andre Smith in the first and Phil Loadholt/Duke Robinson in the third. So I'm not sure where you got that.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 23, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Flounder, guess that means I have to decide on whether to have an early start or a late finish!

Posted by: kost52 | April 23, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse
Like they say in voting, vote early and vote often. Well, Kost, my advice is "beer early and beer often!" especiallyif they trade up and grab Chez.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 23, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

I am telling you guys its gonna be Malauga. Thats our guy. Get ready for long flowing Polynesian hair bounding about the confines of Fed Ex field.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 23, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Makes sense now.
THANK YOU 4th!

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 23, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

"I actually think Rogers would be a NASTY free safety."

Now there's an idea. He has a big frame to add on more muscle too. That could definitely be an option in a pinch, and down the line when he loses some of his speed. Right now he has the cover speed you need to take advantage of as a corner.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 23, 2009 10:02 AM

Now that's nuts. We have one of the best FSs in the league with Landry. The only thing they need to improve the pass coverage is a better pass rush. Better to draft Maualuga or Okrapo than a corner. Plus, this is not a good draft for corners.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 23, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Can someone explain to me something. We are 6 mil under the cap. Does this include the rookie pool? If not, what is the rookie pool?

If we did move up into the top 5 to get Sanchez could we sign him? he would be like 9 mill a year or something right?

There has been no discussions on this and I really don't know how signing rookies effects the cap. Anyone know?

Thanks.

ANYONE?!?!?

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 23, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

DeSean Jackson burned him twice in the 2nd Philly game. Hall takes chances to come up with those coveted INT's, sometimes he pays for it. Los doesn't get burned as much as Hall, and is much more physical.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 23, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

???

Seriously, Los doesn't get burned as much as Hall??

DeSean Jackson is probably faster or as fast as Hall - having DeSean run past you is one thing.

Los gets burned PLENTY. I recall that Los got burned by Derrick Mason against the Ravens for a crucial late TD on a double-move...Mason is not exactly known for his speed these days.

Posted by: p1funk | April 23, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

PSP - I think Los and Hall are a good combo together. I don't want to lose either. Los seems to better excel at matching up with the big frame targets such as Boldin, TO, Braylon, and so forth.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 23, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

I agree. I think he can be a better version of Fletcher...the heart and soul of the defense. Maualuga eventually playing behing Haynesworth? Yikes. If the OT's are gone, and Tyson Jackson is off the board...I say go with Maualuga.


Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 23, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

With comments like this your login should be revoked. Fletch is one of the best middle men of all time. Rey is a college linebacker, let get real.

Posted by: Pleepleus | April 23, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

"Now that's nuts. We have one of the best FSs in the league with Landry."

As good as Landry is at FS, he would have more of an impact at SS. That's where he was drafted to play.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 23, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I am telling you guys its gonna be Malauga. Thats our guy. Get ready for long flowing Polynesian hair bounding about the confines of Fed Ex field.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 23, 2009 10:13 AM

That would probably be a good pick. Those Samoans seem to surprise on the upside. Look at Tatupu in Seattle (also of USC).

Posted by: skinfanman | April 23, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

"With comments like this your login should be revoked. Fletch is one of the best middle men of all time. Rey is a college linebacker, let get real."

My opinion means just as much as yours dude. If I "think" Maualuga can eventually be better than Fletcher, that's just my opinion. Sorry it offends you.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 23, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

"Now that's nuts. We have one of the best FSs in the league with Landry."

As good as Landry is at FS, he would have more of an impact at SS. That's where he was drafted to play.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 23, 2009 10:17 AM

Only because they had ST at FS at the time. I think it's best to use his blazing speed at FS than SS. Remember those two interceptions he had against Seattle in the playoffs? A slower FS doesn't get there.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 23, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Which means the skins (if they don’t trade up) won’t be picking until at least 7pm…..I will be at a bar at the beach, plenty drunk by that point (happy hour actually starts at 2pm on saturdays for me and the wife). I just hope I leave whatever bar I’m at a happy drunk, not a mad drunk…..


Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 23, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse
dlhaze, I don't want you to miss all the action. We will be drafting around 6 pm, not 7. That is, unless we trade up. Please, wait until 6pm!

Posted by: frediefritz | April 23, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

"I actually think Rogers would be a NASTY free safety."

Now there's an idea. He has a big frame to add on more muscle too. That could definitely be an option in a pinch, and down the line when he loses some of his speed. Right now he has the cover speed you need to take advantage of as a corner.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 23, 2009 10:02 AM

This is assuming Rogers can play safety. Believe it or not its a different position on the field not everyone can play both.

Posted by: Pleepleus | April 23, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Now my question is if everyone loves Sanchez so much how come the LIONS are tryin tom work a deal out with Stafford everyone has Sanchez ranked higher and with the greatest possibility of becoming a franchize QB than Stafford why arent the LIONS going after SANCHEZ any thoughts???

Posted by: all_this_bs


Style of offense. The Lions will be running a more vertical passing attack, which Stafford is better suited for because he has a stronger arm than Sanchez. Sanchez is considered a better QB in the WCO because he reads defenses better and he has better anticipation of routes.

Posted by: TWISI | April 23, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Get ready for long flowing Polynesian hair bounding about the confines of Fed Ex field.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 23, 2009 10:13 AM

I was wondering when we would get one of them.

You see we finally got our own dreaded player last year in Horton with the dreads hanging out the back and covering his name....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 23, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

"Now that's nuts. We have one of the best FSs in the league with Landry."

The idea was predicated on moving Landry back to his natural and disruptive SS position.

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

"I am telling you guys its gonna be Malauga. Thats our guy. Get ready for long flowing Polynesian hair bounding about the confines of Fed Ex field.

Posted by: FedorEm"

I'm thinking this as well, and I wouldn't mind it. I think Maualuga is legit and I think he has the potential to be the best D player in this year's draft. How he dropped out of the top 10 I don't know. And I like his cocky attitude and swagger, that's a plus for me.

I will agree with some who have said this might all be a smokescreen, and we draft Rey M. and then a guy like Phil Loadholt to play RT in the third. I would be pretty happy with that considering.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 23, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

"Only because they had ST at FS at the time."

Landry played the blitzing SS role at LSU. It's his natural position. Since the Skins don't have a better FS than him on the team, it benefits them to keep him there. If someone could fill that role, Landry would cause major havoc as a blitzing SS around the box. That's a big IF though.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 23, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Truth11 that would be ideal. Thats what I am hoping for as well.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 23, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

"With comments like this your login should be revoked. Fletch is one of the best middle men of all time. Rey is a college linebacker, let get real."

My opinion means just as much as yours dude. If I "think" Maualuga can eventually be better than Fletcher, that's just my opinion. Sorry it offends you.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 23, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I suppose you are correct, you are allowed to have your own opinion. I Think its pretty wild to assume someone would be better than one of the best based on nothing. Its also hard to compare because they are 2 different positions.

Posted by: Pleepleus | April 23, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

This is assuming Rogers can play safety. Believe it or not its a different position on the field not everyone can play both.

Posted by: Pleepleus | April 23, 2009 10:20 AM

You also want a FS who can catch.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 23, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

"This is assuming Rogers can play safety. Believe it or not its a different position on the field not everyone can play both."

That's why it's just an interesting "idea". No one had brought that up before.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 23, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

so they draft Rey, and what?? He sits behind London for the next 1-2 years?

Somehow that doesn't make sense to me.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 23, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

NO HAMMY MAUALUGA!

Even if he is the 'real deal', and I've seen very little evidence of that, he'll be hampered all season with that blown ham. It'll keep coming back. All season long.

And when we have other fully pressing needs (the O line being the most obvious) it really doesn't make sense to pick a somewhat overrated injured player.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 23, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

"This is assuming Rogers can play safety. Believe it or not its a different position on the field not everyone can play both."

That's why it's just an interesting "idea". No one had brought that up before.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 23, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps it wasn't brought up because it makes no sense?

Posted by: Pleepleus | April 23, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

"This is assuming Rogers can play safety. Believe it or not its a different position on the field not everyone can play both.

Posted by: Pleepleus"

Rogers did play FS in the Philly game (starters were He, Landry, Springs, and Hall). Actually played it to near perfection.

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

also with the CB talk, the third round will probably have solid talent like Macho Harris (one of my favorites) and Moore from Vanderbilt, who was the best in the SEC last year.

Also Asher Allen from UGA, although I think 3rd round is a little high for him.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 23, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

could you imagine if we got JARED ALLEN a year ago when Kansas City shopped him out of thereit would had cost us a first last year and 2 thirds lasy year and swapped 6 round pic this year

Sothink about it we would have a young premier DE to line up with Prince Albert WOW!!
And it would had only cost us MALCOLM KELLY OR DEVIN THOMAS along with FRED DAVIS(since we wouldn't had been able to trade back for 2 second rounders)
but then we would have our second rounder this year cause we would had never needed to trade for JT55 last year

D*mn IF THE FRONT OFFICE WOULD HAD LISTENED TO THE REDSKINS INSIDER BLOGGERS LAST YEAR WE WOULD BE ON OUR WAY CAUSE I KNOW I WAS NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO MENTIONED TRADING FOR HIM LAST YEAR!!

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 23, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

could you imagine if we got JARED ALLEN a year ago when Kansas City shopped him out of thereit would had cost us a first last year and 2 thirds lasy year and swapped 6 round pic this year

Sothink about it we would have a young premier DE to line up with Prince Albert WOW!!
And it would had only cost us MALCOLM KELLY OR DEVIN THOMAS along with FRED DAVIS(since we wouldn't had been able to trade back for 2 second rounders)
but then we would have our second rounder this year cause we would had never needed to trade for JT55 last year

D*mn IF THE FRONT OFFICE WOULD HAD LISTENED TO THE REDSKINS INSIDER BLOGGERS LAST YEAR WE WOULD BE ON OUR WAY CAUSE I KNOW I WAS NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO MENTIONED TRADING FOR HIM LAST YEAR!!

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 23, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I would much rather have Cushing that Rey. The need for an OLB is much higher than MLB. I would be happy with Cushing, or either Oher or Andre Smith. Please keep in mind that Maluaga scored a 12 on his wonderlic. We already have one Corky on this team (Devin Thomas). We don't need a band of them.

Posted by: Kohlrums | April 23, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Last year after hiring Zorn all the talk was 5 or 6 different offenses in as many years for Cambell. Give Campbell another year with the same "O" for first time ever. Deeper "O" line this year and contract year for Jason I like our chances. If not set your sights on Bradford from Oklahoma in next years draft when we will have more picks.

Posted by: billymac1 | April 23, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I totally forgot that Tatupu went to USC. See we can have our own beast hard hitting poly. This would make our D solid. Plus I do really think he is gonna be a legit star. Int's fumbles, big hits, you name it. He is our guy. Loadholt or any of the other O linemen available in the 3rd. There will be some decent ones left too.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 23, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

"so they draft Rey, and what?? He sits behind London for the next 1-2 years?

Somehow that doesn't make sense to me.

Posted by: BeantownGreg "

so what do we do? Draft a LT to go alongside our Pro Bowl LT?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 23, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

"Think its pretty wild to assume someone would be better than one of the best based on nothing. Its also hard to compare because they are 2 different positions."

Based on his college career scouts have assumed that he's 1st round talent at MLB, the same position Fletcher plays. I'm talking "eventually". Rey isn't going to step in his rookie year and be better than Fletcher, but he has a shot to have a better career. I didn't mean to slight Fletcher, he's the man.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 23, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

"Only because they had ST at FS at the time."

Landry played the blitzing SS role at LSU. It's his natural position. Since the Skins don't have a better FS than him on the team, it benefits them to keep him there. If someone could fill that role, Landry would cause major havoc as a blitzing SS around the box. That's a big IF though.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 23, 2009 10:23 AM

When they had ST they could afford the luxury of putting LL at SS. But you want blazing speed back there covering receivers, especially on the deep routes. Giving up easy touchdowns is a killer. Besides, Horton has shown he is a very good blitzer. I am very comfortable with Horton, Doubty and Moore out there. And with Smoot at nickel. The only problem I've had with the way they've handled their DBs was letting go of Torrence.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 23, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Wunderlic doesn't mean much to me at any position, let alone linebacker.

Tackle guy with ball. GO!!


I want football players, I don't care if they drink too much or are dumb as rocks. That's what football players are.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 23, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

"This is assuming Rogers can play safety. Believe it or not its a different position on the field not everyone can play both.

Posted by: Pleepleus"

Rogers did play FS in the Philly game (starters were He, Landry, Springs, and Hall). Actually played it to near perfection.

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

The first or second meeting?

Posted by: Pleepleus | April 23, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

"so what do we do? Draft a LT to go alongside our Pro Bowl LT?

Posted by: TheTruth11"

Or you draft a tackle to play RT.

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

sorry samuels is no longer playing at a pro-bowl LT caliber he only made the pro-bowl last year based on reputation

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 23, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I somehow think they'd find a way to get Maluaga on the field. Hey look its just a feeling. I am open to any pick of need, just not Sanchez. I will consider the draft a success if Sanchez is not a Skin.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 23, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

truth, you draft OL, or DE. MLB is not a position of need at this time.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 23, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

"The first or second meeting?

Posted by: Pleepleus"

Second. Hall wasn't here for the first.

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse


Can someone explain to me something. We are 6 mil under the cap. Does this include the rookie pool? If not, what is the rookie pool?

If we did move up into the top 5 to get Sanchez could we sign him? he would be like 9 mill a year or something right?

There has been no discussions on this and I really don't know how signing rookies effects the cap. Anyone know?

Thanks.

ANYONE?!?!?

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 23, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse
I'm not certain, but I think the rookie pool will come out of the $6M.

If Skins are reworking Rocky's contract, they will probably have more than $6M.

And if there is one thing this FO is good at, it is cap mgmt. So I suspect that we are in good shape for signing rookies, wherever we draft them.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 23, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

ok, I'll add to the list:

Overrated, Injured and STOOPID! lmfao.

Honestly, I'd rather see him do great somewhere else in two years than spend the pic on him now.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 23, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

"The first or second meeting?

Posted by: Pleepleus"

Second. Hall wasn't here for the first.

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

I didn't read all the names. Good knowlage though I usually pay better attention than that living south Jersey. Everyone is a Philly fan it gets annoying.

Posted by: Pleepleus | April 23, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

When they had ST they could afford the luxury of putting LL at SS. But you want blazing speed back there covering receivers, especially on the deep routes. Giving up easy touchdowns is a killer. Besides, Horton has shown he is a very good blitzer. I am very comfortable with Horton, Doubty and Moore out there. And with Smoot at nickel. The only problem I've had with the way they've handled their DBs was letting go of Torrence.

Posted by: skinfanman

That's why I said "IF" they can find someone to fill the FS spot. Horton is a poor man's Landry. He doesn't have the speed Landry has to make as many plays in the backfield. Right now I agree that Landry needs to play FS because he's the only one talented enough to do so. Hopefully Moore can step into that role so Landry's true talents can be taken advantage of.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 23, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

W/ guns like that, Landry needs to be laying hurt!

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 23, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

"If we did move up into the top 5 to get Sanchez could we sign him? he would be like 9 mill a year or something right?"

That may be a clue they're not going after him. Right before the draft no team is going to disspell any rumors.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 23, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Who says Rey Maluauauauauauagaa can't step in at OLB for a year or two? I know I've read at least one "expert" say that he could play outside until fletch retires....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 23, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Ex-Jag J. Smith found with drugs in car

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Former Jacksonville Jaguars wide receiver Jimmy Smith was pulled over Wednesday afternoon and found with crack cocaine and marijuana in his car, the Florida Highway Patrol said.

Smith, who played 10 seasons for Jacksonville, was pulled over on Interstate 95 in Jacksonville for excessive window tint on his 2009 Mercedes Benz, Florida Highway Patrol Lt. Bill Leeper said.

**************
Well, he did used to be a cowboy... nuff said.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 23, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

I must have missed this, but Philly singed Jason Peters to a 53 million dollar contract??? I'm very surprised at that.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 23, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

did i mention i love SAMUELS he is a good solid LT just not a pro-bowl caliber LT anymore. i just belkieve he he wouldlock down the right side of our line and give HEYER a chance to play what buges called his more nbatural gifted position LT if you guys remember the last 4 games HEYER did a wonderful job over there for us and now with THE DOCK at LG next to him WOW he could really shine then all we need is a RG and i think RABACH Is ok for now wouldnt mind upgrading him but it is not an absolute nesseccity and with that move and an upgrade at rt either rhino steps up which with samuels next to him could bring his level of play up or through the draft
we have an overhauled pretty d*mn sharp O-LINE with a solid mixture of young and
vets

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 23, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

"When they had ST they could afford the luxury of putting LL at SS. But you want blazing speed back there covering receivers, especially on the deep routes. Giving up easy touchdowns is a killer."

Which is why having Rogers back there wouldn't be a bad idea.

Nobody is saying Horton isn't getting it done. I was just saying Rogers would, in fact, be a very good FS. Truth be told, he's probably too gifted to play back there, and his gifts are much better served as a CB, which is why he is where he is.

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Anyone catch Larry Michael on CSN last night referencing Jasno's article/interview with Sanchez? He mentioned the article, without mentioning its author by name, saying he was impressed with what Sanchez's said.

Then Michael had little dig at Jasno at the end: "At least he didn't have any sources in that article". Sorry, but that is funny.

Posted by: RambleOn | April 23, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Wow...now that idiot Cowherd is reporting that Sal Paolantonio (who I know and who has credibility) says a 3 way trade could go down involving the Skins trading with Seattle for #4 and then trading Jason Campbell to the Jets or some other team to recoup picks.

Heaven help us!!!

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 23, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

I must have missed this, but Philly singed Jason Peters to a 53 million dollar contract??? I'm very surprised at that.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 23, 2009 10:41 AM

The Eagles will pay for OTs. Runyan was well paid.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 23, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

'...so they draft Rey, and what?? He sits behind London for the next 1-2 years?'

The same thing will happen to any of the tackle prospects the bloggas all crave. What you think they'll draft A Smith and he starts over Heyer/Jansen?

Doubt it.

The difference with drafting a Jackson, Mauaulga, or Orakpo is the team adds a young defensive stud to complement the additions of Hanyesworth and Hall.

Most NFL folks feel that to really make Prince Albert effective, the skins will need another strong player in the front seven to minimize the effect of the double teams Haynesworth will receive.

Folks need to let go of the notion that the only pick the team has is at 13.

There are plenty of good young linemen to be had in the third round or, if the team gets creative, maybe it makes a move to add a second round pick that becomes a player like Phil Loadholt or Duke Robinson or Antoine Caldwell.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Then Michael had little dig at Jasno at the end: "At least he didn't have any sources in that article". Sorry, but that is funny.

Posted by: RambleOn | April 23, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Whats funny is when Larry gets mad at people for getting his last name wrong. Its Michael! Not Michaels!

Like anyone cares Larry... come on!

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 23, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Wow...now that idiot Cowherd is reporting that Sal Paolantonio (who I know and who has credibility) says a 3 way trade could go down involving the Skins trading with Seattle for #4 and then trading Jason Campbell to the Jets or some other team to recoup picks.

Heaven help us!!!

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 23, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

That was actually spoken about last night on NFL network.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 23, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

J LACACA is gonnna be on-line today at 1 to do Q and A's about the draft everyones turn to dig in to him hahaha

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 23, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Lisa, I'd hate that deal.

how is sanchez going to be better than JC if you don't improve the line??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 23, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

everyone,

If YOU were the GM of the skins, would YOU just come out and say, "we're taking an OT. We want A. Smith, but will be happy with Oher, Beatty, or Britton."

-or-

would you say we want Shuler-Chez or Orakpo.

I'm using wishful thinking here. Smokescreen we're taking an OT

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 23, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

did i mention i love SAMUELS he is a good solid LT just not a pro-bowl caliber LT anymore. i just belkieve he he wouldlock down the right side of our line and give HEYER a chance to play what buges called his more nbatural gifted position LT if you guys remember the last 4 games HEYER did a wonderful job over there for us and now with THE DOCK at LG next to him WOW he could really shine then all we need is a RG and i think RABACH Is ok for now wouldnt mind upgrading him but it is not an absolute nesseccity and with that move and an upgrade at rt either rhino steps up which with samuels next to him could bring his level of play up or through the draft
we have an overhauled pretty d*mn sharp O-LINE with a solid mixture of young and
vets

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 23, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Samson151 made a great blog about a week ago, explaining that moving samuels to RT would actually shorten his career, not lengthen it. LT is mainly about pass blocking, anchoring the line. RT is required to be more mobile, doing more run blocking. So probably any OT we draft will start at RT, move to LT after Samuels retires.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 23, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

After the draft they should make all the teams release their rankings so we can see how highly they had who. Like it was real interesting the Skins had Sleepy at 20 last year. I want to know more of that stuff. Maybe if we file under the Freedom of Information Act.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 23, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

According to Matt Mosely (from his chat):

vic (dc) [via mobile]: do u think the redskins will move up to get sanchez? or do they hope for maybin or orakpo to drop

SportsNation Matt Mosley: (10:45 AM ET ) 'Skins are privately saying it's not going to happen. But I don't believe anything right now.

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

"truth, you draft OL, or DE. MLB is not a position of need at this time.

Posted by: BeantownGreg "

What if you aren't impressed by any of the available DEs, because I think the ones available at that time won't be any good. Not sold on many of the first round DE's. And then if the top 4 OT are gone, you're gonna sacrafice quality just to fill a need.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 23, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

moe, if the team drafts Andre Smith, and he's not the starting R tackle, then buges needs to be fired.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 23, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

I was leaning towards OL with # 13, but I think the smart move would be DE/SLB. I know everyone has lost confidence in Jansen and Heyer isnt consistant at this point. But to have 2 "ok" guys to compete at RT and push each other would point me towards the next positional need which is SLB. And if you can find a guy who has the versatility to play DE (a position they have ignored for far too many drafts) and add some more pass rush elements to the front 7 (making Big Al more effective with less double teams) you have to view DE/SLB as more of a need if you can get a guy who contributes from day 1.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 23, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2009/04/rumor_new_york_jets_will_try_t.html

Something to think about here. If we can get a third round pick or something in that range for Campbell to get an OT and get Sanchez, why not? Thoughts?

I'm getting tired of this speculative thought to be honest. Can't wait for Saturday...

Posted by: Broman17 | April 23, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

truth, what if Robert Ayers is there at 13, I'd rather take him than Rey.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 23, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

LaCanfora just said the Skins will draft Sanchez..

You can take the blue pill, or you can take the red pill, Neo..

Posted by: frak | April 23, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

everyone,

If YOU were the GM of the skins, would YOU just come out and say, "we're taking an OT. We want A. Smith, but will be happy with Oher, Beatty, or Britton."

-or-

would you say we want Shuler-Chez or Orakpo.

I'm using wishful thinking here. Smokescreen we're taking an OT

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 23, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

If I were GM pabryan2001, I would hire you to be the "village idiot" for Redskins Park. Having you around in this capacity would make everyone feel better about themselves, even though lil Danny is running the show.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 23, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

sorry FREDIEFRITZ I TOTALLY DISAGREE so because SAMSON ?? says it it must be true because the history of th NFL is wrong and the experts are wrong they all say to prolong a career you move right and heres the reason you are not fighting off summ of the most athletic men on the football feild constantly which are RDE thats why yur LT has to be so much more athletic then yur RT
I mean think about what you said:

"RT is required to be more mobile, doing more run blocking."

are you serious at no point in JANSEN's career has he ever been more mobile than SAMUELS is right now and lets not forget JANSEN was an all-pro RT

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 23, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

'...If they move Cooley into the slot....'


He's not quick and shifty enough to play slot.

If you look at how A Gates, D Clark, and J Witten are used, you'd see they are flexed wide or in a place to where they can run seam routes or get isolated on a strong safety or slow 'backer.

D Thomas or, better yet, Moss would be a better slot receiver as he'd be harder to jam and thus could get open in a greater variety of ways.

To me, Randle El has failed as the slot guy and should have to fight for a starting job.

If he lives up to his draft slot, M Kelly should play 'x' (the guy is a big receiver and that's why he was drafted) Cooley 'y' and Moss 'z' with the idea that you move him around to open him up to getting the ball from multiple spots.


But no matter how it all works out, both Kelly and Thomas ar the major keys to any improvement with the redskins offense this season.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

LaCanfora just said the Skins will draft Sanchez..

You can take the blue pill, or you can take the red pill, Neo..

Posted by: frak | April 23, 2009 10:58 AM |

Thats great because if JLC says it's going to happen, then it wont happen.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 23, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Something to think about here. If we can get a third round pick or something in that range for Campbell to get an OT and get Sanchez, why not? Thoughts?

I'm getting tired of this speculative thought to be honest. Can't wait for Saturday...

Posted by: Broman17

-----------------

Because you just spent $200 million on guys in their prime to win now. You don't parlay that with trading away your starting QB (who's worth more than a 3rd rounder) and replace him with a rookie QB who has 1 year of starting experience.

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Any thoughts on what it'd cost in drafts picks to move up to #4? I'm thinking a 1st and a 3rd this year, or a 1st this year and a 2nd next year. Trading JC would probably get a 3rd this year and a conditional pick next year. Any thoughts?

Posted by: TWISI | April 23, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I am calling it now. Several hours late JLC will have a post announcing the Skins are working on a contract for McIntosh. More "insider" information.

Posted by: grittar1 | April 23, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse


Question. I wonder why Mr. Snyder doesnt handle player management *more* like a business. For Sanchez it seems like Mr. Snyder is willing to pay a tremendous premium for a commodity with a more than usual amount of risk. I guess this is the "smitten" surcharge. If my financial planner said he was smitten with a company I'd be out the door.

Posted by: rsmskc | April 23, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

bean

'... if the team drafts Andre Smith, and he's not the starting R tackle, then buges needs to be fired....'


Maybe that should've happened already.

I you ever see another NFL Replay of a redskins game, count the number of times Jon Jansen gets beat on a passing play and ask yourself, "If Heyer was healthy by that point in the season, why wasn't he playing?"

Yeah: We all know Jansen was a better run blocker, but the pass blocking is what suffered and Heyer is better at that than Jansen.

Heyer is also a younger player, and I don't see how you lose out by not giving him game time experience.

I'm not saying Buges failed in not getting Heyer back on the field, but someone somewhere would have to explain why the younger more athletic guy wasn't given his starting job back.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

All I know is, the Pats are pretty damn good. ...

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 22, 2009 9:40 PM

Genius statements like this are what make RI a must read for anybody who wants the skinny on the Skins.

Posted by: AntonChigurh

You know wat else is good here, Anton? Ironic understatement. Check with you library. I'm sure there are books on how to recognize it.

Now you know we kid with love, so don't hit me with that cattle brainer deal, Bro.

Posted by: TheCork | April 23, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Because you just spent $200 million on guys in their prime to win now. You don't parlay that with trading away your starting QB (who's worth more than a 3rd rounder) and replace him with a rookie QB who has 1 year of starting experience.

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

To be fair Sanchez was prolly a great and experienced pop warner QB.

Posted by: Pleepleus | April 23, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I don't know how you spend a gazillion dollars in free agency only to turn around and hand your offense to a rookie QB. I'd also argue about how do they manage to fit a high pick salary under the CAP but they always seem to know how to get around that CAP stuff.

Posted by: skinswest | April 23, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

To me this draft is just so simple for this team. You take one of the 4 strong LTs Oher and Smith will most likely be the only ones if any left, take one of them due to the o-line being the most presing need.
If none of them are left you take Maluga, this guy will be lock down for many years, anyone saying that he is strictly a mic is wrong, he has proved through his play on the field to be able to blitz and cover, we could interchange him to any of our three lb spots.
If he is not there then we either take Ayer who should be there is Orakpo is taken and with his rising stock that could be a possibility. But either way you either take the best available DE, Ayer or Orakpo even though neither of them really stands out as an NFL player to me Ayer would be my choice. If they are not tehre then you look to the other USC guy in Cushing. When in doubt take a LB or RB from USC. Anyways hopefully Sanchez is a smokescreen it dosent make sense for what were holding what well have to give up and what we need. Really this draft is one of the simplist for us with the addition of Haynesworth and hving Wynn and Daniels back, our need O-line, LB, DE in that order are very well represented for when we are picking draft the best availbe in order of the most need.

Posted by: Stu27 | April 23, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Any thoughts on what it'd cost in drafts picks to move up to #4? I'm thinking a 1st and a 3rd this year, or a 1st this year and a 2nd next year. Trading JC would probably get a 3rd this year and a conditional pick next year. Any thoughts?

Posted by: TWISI | April 23, 2009 11:05 AM |

It's been reported that some teams are desperate to get out of the top 10, and it will not take as much to trade up as in years past.

I would say a 1st and 3rd this year will do it, but please don't.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 23, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

moe, buges is loyal to his guys, but again, if buges thinks that ASmith should be sitting, while heyer/jansen are starting, then he should be shown the door.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 23, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Brian Cushing or Rey Maualuga?

If you buy into the school of thought that says we stay where we are in the draft order, and that the 4 premier OTs and M.Sanchez are all gone at #13 (which to me is a very likely scenario), then we likely end up selecting Brian Cushing or Rey Maualuga (A. Maybin lacks the size and strength to be an impact player).

Maualuga has great quickness and speed and tremendous instincts, but he’s primarily an arm tackler. In all the video I watched on the guy, I never saw him put his shoulder or helmet down and tackle someone the right way. He doesn’t strike me as a player with leadership skills. He covers a lot of ground on the field, but I put him in the ‘finesse player’ category.

Cushing on the other hand is the real deal. He also has great instincts and great agility, but he blows people up we he hits them. He wreaks havoc along the line. He displays great leadership ability. Cushing to me has much more potential to be a pro bowl-caliber player for many years.

Posted by: all_star_0013 | April 23, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Cushing fills an immediate need. Don't know if Mauluga could play SLB while waiting for Fletcher to retire.

Posted by: skinswest | April 23, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

"Cushing fills an immediate need. Don't know if Mauluga could play SLB while waiting for Fletcher to retire."

I'm thinking Maualuga can do just as well, if not better than H.B. Blades in that position. I think Cushing would be a reach at 13.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 23, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Cushing had a coupla surgeries at SC..

Posted by: frak | April 23, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Mosley said in his chat that the Skins are PRIVATELY saying the SANCHEZ trade to SEATTLE won't happen.

Hope thats the truth.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 23, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

"(A. Maybin lacks the size and strength to be an impact player)"

Maybin, right now, lacks the size and strength to be an everydown player. An impact player? He absolutely has the ability. Stick him next to Haynesworth on a rotational basis (with Daniels, Carter, Wynn, and Wilson), and this guy will terrorize the backfield. And seeing as how he's only a sophomore, he has plenty of room to grow, physically, into an every down player.

Too much upside with Maybin to allow him to get away, should all the OTs be taken at that time.

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Everette Brown, junior, 13.5 sacks last year, looks like a big quick cat, and coupled with Big Al , would create enormous problems for opposing offenses..

Posted by: frak | April 23, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Maybin, right now, lacks the size and strength to be an everydown player. An impact player? He absolutely has the ability. Stick him next to Haynesworth on a rotational basis (with Daniels, Carter, Wynn, and Wilson), and this guy will terrorize the backfield. And seeing as how he's only a sophomore, he has plenty of room to grow, physically, into an every down player.

Too much upside with Maybin to allow him to get away, should all the OTs be taken at that time.

Posted by: psps23

Maybin is going to get thrown around like a sack of potatoes.

Posted by: all_star_0013 | April 23, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

I think the Skins would love to draft Sanchez but would like to keep Campbell to finish out his final year - let Sanchez sit and learn. BUT if they do make a trade and draft Sanchez it would probably involve trading Campbell as well.

Which is simply INSANE! Do they really believe that a QB who has only played 16 games can lead our team to the playoffs? Not to mention Sanchez is going to see defenses he cannot even imagine in the NFL.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 23, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

God I hope we don't do anything STOOPID like trading up for Sanchez. We have several other glaring holes that could be filled by trading down from 13 and selecting solid players ala New England, etc.

Posted by: Tyler2Durden | April 23, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter who's slinging passes if that guy is laying on his back or running for his life. Those Super Bowl winning Skins had two things in common: An OL that didn't let anyone near the QB and a DL that caused utter havoc for the opposing team. The fan owner and vinny yes man doesn't seem to see that. QB should NOT be a priority! WE NEED LINEMEN!!!

Posted by: roscoemann71 | April 23, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Lisa,

It's not happening so relax, grab a few beers and watch the draft.

Trust me Sanchez will not be a Skin.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 23, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Flounder thanks. Let's face it Campbell is a goner. It's like watching a Friday the 13th movie. We know he's going to get axed, we're just waiting to see how he'll get whacked. I'm now trying to figure out after Snyder get's his man, which C/G would be best suited for the skins in the 3rd round.

Posted by: TWISI | April 23, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

"Maybin is going to get thrown around like a sack of potatoes.

Posted by: all_star_0013"

You ever tossed around a sack of potatoes? Pretty tough.

In all seriousness, that's what was being said about Terrell Suggs and Dwight Freeney when they were drafted, too. Dude's a baller, and he'll be a monster pass rusher in this league.

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Lisa,

It's not happening so relax, grab a few beers and watch the draft.

Trust me Sanchez will not be a Skin.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 23, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Best statement today.

Posted by: Pleepleus | April 23, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

"I'm now trying to figure out after Snyder get's his man, which C/G would be best suited for the skins in the 3rd round."

Antoine Caldwell from Bama perhaps?

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 23, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

I think we win with any of the four OTs or E.Brown, Maybin, T. Jackson, even Orakpo...We should get a definite winner, just so long as it isn't Sanchez!! And if they DO-DO the insane choice of Sanchez, then they've got trade for an OT or DE..

Posted by: frak | April 23, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Antoine Caldwell from Bama perhaps?

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who

I like him at center. has he played guard before?

Posted by: TWISI | April 23, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

psp, Freeney ran something like a 4.3 40 time, so I'm not sure that its the same thing...but I get your point.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 23, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

"they've got to trade for an OT or DE"..I remember the days of language..

Posted by: frak | April 23, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

FED- EX FIELD just called me my name came up on the waiting list for season tickets but un fortunately i have been outa work for 6 mos and cant afford them surprised it only took 6 mos?? I thought it would be a couple years?

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 23, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Caldwell is ranked as the 5th best C prospect, not sure if he plays guard.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 23, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

frak

'...Everette Brown 13.5 sacks last year, looks like a big quick cat..'

Everette Brown actually looks like Andre Wadsworth and Renard Wilson (memba them?).

FSU Criminole secondary players are usually very good(Brown/Cromartie/Watkins).

Their front seven players (except D Dockett) haven't faired too well in the NFL in recent years.

The best question is, which Florida football team has fallen the furthest in producing NFL talent: the "U" or FSU?

I'd say the "U".

The Canes are still living off its reputation from the excellent 2001-2003 draft classes.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Caldwell is ranked as the 5th best C prospect, not sure if he plays guard.


He'd played center and guard in the Senior Bowl and looked very good at both spots.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

"He'd played center and guard in the Senior Bowl and looked very good at both spots."

Projections I've seen have him in the 3rd...so it's at least a possibility.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 23, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

'... Skins would love to draft Sanchez but would like to keep Campbell to finish out his final year - let Sanchez sit and learn...'

Let Sanchez sit and learn?

Why even draft him then?

There are better choices at the quarterback position next year. Draft a q-back then or make a move for Brady Quinn now.

The skins have more problems than a math book. Why burn a high pick on a guy who'll have to 'season' behind a guy who knows he's a goner?

I say, if he--Sanchez--is drafted, the skins should move Campbell and give the rookie the starting job once T Collins is given half a season to show him how it's done.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

"psp, Freeney ran something like a 4.3 40 time, so I'm not sure that its the same thing...but I get your point."

Freeney ran a 4.48. Maybin ran a 4.64 at his pro day. He's probably closer to Terrel Suggs and Demarcus Ware, who both ran in the 4.6's, but were undersized (Ware was at 245 lbs, according to one site). Still he's that kind of a player. Rotational pass rusher at first, then transitioned to an every down role later.

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Maybin(sophomore) is younger than Everette(junior) and more consistent (10 games with a sack)..6'3' 245 Maybin can definitely bulk up, but so can Brown..Not much difference IMO..Seeing how ALL college athletes seem to be steeped in hanky-panky (sign of da times), any tough defender is always a risk..LT,Dexter,anyone??

Posted by: frak | April 23, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Why the hell did we waste $ on Collins to sit on his a** and waste picks to get Campbell at all? Why did we waste the pick for Brennan last year when we could have found a good linebacker/special teams prospect. We suck at this draft stuff.

Posted by: Tyler2Durden | April 23, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

um, yeah, but then what? Would ARE be our QB?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | April 23, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Sanchez Situation Getting Interesting
Posted by Mike Florio on April 23, 2009, 12:02 p.m. EDT

At a time when much of the focus falls on the question of when and if the Lions will do a deal with Georgia quarterback Matthew Stafford as the No. 1 overall pick, the other big-name quarterback is continuing to stir things up.

According to Sal Paolantonio of ESPN, intrigue is developing surrounding USC quarterback Mark Sanchez.

Several teams are involved — the Seahawks, Browns, Redskins, and Jets, for starters.

One scenario involves the Redskins moving from No. 12 to No. 4 (a spot held by Seattle), drafting Sanchez, and then trading Jason Campbell to the Vikings, Bucs, or Jets.

The Browns also are supposedly interested in taking Sanchez at No. 5 and trading Brady Quinn, to the Bucs or the Jets.

Per Paolantonio, the Jets are the team most interested in Quinn. But the Jets also are inclined to try to beat the ‘Skins to Sanchez.

If Sanchez is on the board after pick No. 5, we’ve been told that the action is likely at No. 8, with the Jags trading down with the Redskins or the Jets.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 23, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

"There are better choices at the quarterback position next year. Draft a q-back then or make a move for Brady Quinn now."


I'd rather trade all of next year's picks for Sanchez than trade for Brady freaking Quinn. Ugh.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 23, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Wow...now that idiot Cowherd is reporting that Sal Paolantonio (who I know and who has credibility) says a 3 way trade could go down involving the Skins trading with Seattle for #4 and then trading Jason Campbell to the Jets or some other team to recoup picks.

Heaven help us!!!

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 23, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

I love this idea. By sending JC17 to the jets we will retain our 3rd round pick (at least)We can then draft Sanchez and try to find line help in the 3rd...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 23, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

I have been saying for a month that the best pick is Muauluga from USC. Why would you sign both Daniels and Wynn and still draft a left end? The most glaring need on this Redskin team is a SLB.

Now Muauluga is projecting as a MLB, but I think he will be a very good SLB until Fletcher is no longer effective in the middle. He has great size and a mean streak that this defense hasnt had since Taylor.

I know there is a good argument for a right tackle, and I would not argue with that pick if say an Oher is still available, but I feel the best pick is the USC linebacker and try for a right tackle in the 3rd round or trade up into the 2nd.

Posted by: gallrick | April 23, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

yoder

'...Projections I've seen have him (Caldwell) in the 3rd...so it's at least a possibility...'

A center guard prospect in the 3rd round would shut up anyone who would beef about the team taking a slb or Sanchez with the 13th pick.

Center and guards block just like tackles do, and the team could use some depth and versitility behind Rabach and Thomas.

Caldwell didn't get the notice A Smith did at 'Bama, but that's not a bad thing. The guy is a good player, and if you pair him with Rhino and Dock, the team suddenly has three young players to work in the interior of its offensive lines.


Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

We suck at this draft stuff.

Posted by: Tyler2Durden | April 23, 2009 12:04 PM

Not according to some anaysis. There were only 8 teams that drafted better than the Skins from 03-08, at least according to John Czarnecki. If one looks at the numbers, we should probably have a slight bit more confidence in the Skins FO (and yes, I had a hard time actually typing that)...

WASHINGTON: The Redskins did a lot with only 23 picks between 2003-07, although they were devastated by the loss of All-Pro safety Sean Taylor, who was murdered during a home invasion. The 2005 draft produced CB Carlos Rogers and QB Jason Campbell. The next two drafts produced starters Kedric Golston, Rocky McIntosh and free safety LaRon Landry. The key to the Redskins will be if last season's top three picks, all receivers, display some maturity and toughness. If they do, Campbell will have a chance to succeed.
Picks: 33
First-round picks: 4
Starters: 8
Pro Bowlers: 2
Grade: B

Posted by: amaranthpa | April 23, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Sad thing is, most fans of teams who are in talks of receiving Campbell if these trade rumors come up are probably praying it doesn't happen. Here's one from a link someone posted earlier about the Jets getting JC :

"Posted by riptheshotmn on 04/22/09 at 10:40PM
Say it ain't so Dave, say it ain't so. The Jets haven't had a franchise QB in decades and they still won't if they go get J. Campbell. Please tell me this is just a rumor. Give Clemens a shot, he's going to surprise everyone and turn into a team leader! He has a canon for an arm and his happy feet in the pocket will be gone now that he has a real O-line in front of him."

Actually sounds kinda familiar.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 23, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

the issue will be if the jets rate Quinn over Campbell then we are dead in the water. just the way the Broncos rated orton over JC17

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 23, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Funny how everyone complains about how bad we draft but then turns around and vigorously defends those same players we have drafted.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 23, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Is there a bigger tool on the radio than Cowherd?

Posted by: skinswest | April 23, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 23, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

from the left-current
Samuels-Heyer
Dockery-Fabini
Rabach-Geisenger
Thomas-Rinehart(?)-Kendall(?)
Heyer-Jansen (can he play G?)

in a perfect world we get better,younger, and deeper through Saturday's draft:

Samuels-Heyer
Dockery-Rinehart or Kendall
Rabach-Geisenger or 3rd rounder
3rd rounder (Johnson, Wood, Caldwell)-Thomas
1st rounder (Smith,Oher, Beatty)-Jansen

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 23, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I have been a fan since 1971 and I am fed up with this ownership/upper management. I will root for this team but will not spend another dime on it. I am almost to the point where i don't want to win a super bowl because i couldn't stand the thought of those a** monkey's holding up the VL trophy.

This will be the third time since 1999 we've traded up in the 1st round for a QB, remember P Ramsey?? Snyder cannot help himself, he is a dumb&ss and if he hasn't learned in 10 years he will not. He is Bidwell with more money. The only way this changes is if people stop going to the games and that wont happen. All we need to be really competitve is to draft a solid tackle (see Jamon Meridith from S Carolina) and someone that can pressure the QB (Gilbert or Sidsbury are lower round options). We should be trading back if we can find a partner but we won't. You heard it here - we will give up our # 1 and # 4 this year, the #1 next year and maybe C rogers. I think Sanchez will be very good but he's not what we need.

We need a front office that is not embarrassing.

Posted by: DEskinzfan | April 23, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Poof, the magic eraser lives in DC ...yada, yada, you know the tune. Can't think of a word that ryhmes with loseable.

Posted by: will_ga | April 22, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

cruisable, bruisable

Posted by: moosepod | April 23, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

in a perfect world we get better,younger, and deeper through Saturday's draft:

Samuels-Heyer
Dockery-Rinehart or Kendall
Rabach-Geisenger or 3rd rounder
3rd rounder (Johnson, Wood, Caldwell)-Thomas
1st rounder (Smith,Oher, Beatty)-Jansen

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 23, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

In a perfect world. You would STFU.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 23, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

A guy who's only played sixteen D-1 games is gonna have a very steep learning curve. Go ahead Dan, do it, set this franchise back another 3 years. Idiot, Moron.

Posted by: kingtutts | April 23, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

DEskinsfan

There is nothing in the world to suggest that Sanchez will be good. For every Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco there are three times as many Heath Shulers, Alex Smiths, Matt Leinarts, Brady Quinns, Rex Grossman's and so on and so forth.

Posted by: kingtutts | April 23, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

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