Updating Skins' Interest in Sanchez

Spoke with a league source who had a little more information on USC quarterback Mark Sanchez, whom the Redskins are strongly interested in drafting with their 13th overall pick in the April 25-26 draft.

Sanchez, according to a league source, will have visited Detroit, St. Louis and San Francisco by the time he winds up his tour of NFL teams with a visit to Redskins Park Friday and Saturday. After seeing Sanchez at the NFL combine in February, the Redskins gave him a private workout with team officials, including owner Daniel Snyder, in late March in California. He also was evaluated by team officials during his pro day at USC.

Sanchez had a private workout with the New York Jets, who pick 17th and are in the market for a quarterback, but did not visit, according to a source. He had a private meeting and workout with Seattle, but no official visit.

By Jason La Canfora  |  April 15, 2009; 7:23 PM ET
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bc Snyder is such a great talent evaluator.

Posted by: dante232 | April 15, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

first

Posted by: noseman4681 | April 15, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

I pray this is posturing to someone to trade up for our #13

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | April 15, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

1st
round pick, the junior from USC Mark Sanchez.

Posted by: periculum | April 15, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

"So let's look on the other side of the spectrum, how many fourth quarter TD's did he have?"

Posted by: Broman17

For the sake of "4th quarter letdowns", here are Campbell's numbers in the 4th quarter when the game is 'close' (defined as less than or equal to a 7-point margin), courtesy of espn.com:

28 for 50, 380 yards, 7.60 YPA, 3 TDs, 0 INTs, 100.4 rating

Campbell is downright elite when it comes to "4th quarter letdowns" (or the opposite of them). You might want to find another argument if your bent on criticizing him.

Posted by: psps23

Posted by: psps23 | April 15, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

It's not a good thing that our owner thinks he has a football mind. Just being rich does not make you football savvy. No wonder the 'Skins are Team Mediocre.

Posted by: fufighter2121 | April 15, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

If the first round pick is a QB, I'm done.

Posted by: aubaine | April 15, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

For the sake of "4th quarter letdowns", here are Campbell's numbers in the 4th quarter when the game is 'close' (defined as less than or equal to a 7-point margin), courtesy of espn.com:

28 for 50, 380 yards, 7.60 YPA, 3 TDs, 0 INTs, 100.4 rating

Campbell is downright elite when it comes to "4th quarter letdowns" (or the opposite of them). You might want to find another argument if your bent on criticizing him.

Posted by: psps23

Posted by: psps23 *

Looking at those numbers seems odd to me. I am reminded of the phrase, "Figures lie, and liars figure!"
I guess only 3 TD's stand out, and yet due to no INT's he gets a 100 rating? I suppose a 56% completion percentage is ok, just seems it doesn't add up to enough good work to win games.

Only my humble opinion.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 15, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Campbell is downright elite when it comes to "4th quarter letdowns" (or the opposite of them).

That why this is so maddening. Campbell has improved his play every year. Why would he not continue to improve particularly since he'll be in the same offense this year. Campbell and the rest of the offensive players should be more comfortable in the system, which in turn should lead to improve play. I just don't undestand the rush to make that change while other positions need to be addressed.

Posted by: TWISI | April 15, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

I am a humble guy. If I were the owner, I would probably be running the place like Synder, maybe worse because I don't have his business skills. I'm a fan; he's a fan.

By now, because I'm a humble guy, I would have hired a GM (which Cerratto is posing as) and let a football guy run the operation.

My impression is that Snyder is not so humble, so he just doesn't get it.

Campbell seems like a humble guy. In the FO's book, that's probably a strike against him.

Ron Jaworski did a break down on Campbell a few years back and liked what he saw. Gibbs and Zorn obviously liked what they saw.

Let's see how Flacco does this year. I'm betting he tightens up.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 15, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

As I think about it a bit more, the lack of INT's tells a partial story. How many times did he complete a pass only to be a yard short on 3rd down? I remember far too many of those. You can certainly blame to WR too, but JC threw to that WR.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 15, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Strategery:
1) Draft Campbell (1st round pick) for QB
2) Replace Head Coach with QB friendly replacement
3) Use all high draft picks on pass catchers, ignore other needs
4a) Draft OL to protect QB
4b) Replace QB with new QB

It really looks like we're on the path to 4b).

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 15, 2009 8:04 PM | Report abuse

J-E-T-S
JETS
JETS
JETS
!11!
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 15, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

I remember the pain on 3rd downs. At first I thought they were call those routes short hoping that the receive could gain YAC.

But the only YAC was the sound of the team choking.

I'm betting Campbell didn't have great options in those situations and can't be faulted for completing those passes.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 15, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

You can certainly blame to WR too, but JC threw to that WR.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 15, 2009 8:00 PM
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D00d, Zorn called those plays.

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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 15, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

You can certainly blame to WR too, but JC threw to that WR.
Posted by: lsskinsfan

I'm willing to put a portion of the blame on Campbell, the larger picture is this: the WR is responsible to run a given route. Let's say it's 3rd and four, the WR should run AT LEAST four yards before making his cut. The QB (and this is especially true of Campbell in the second half of last season as he was pressured much more than in the first half) doesn't have time to count off the yards the WR has run, before delivering the ball.

"Let's see, Devin's making his break...one...two...damn! He's a yard shy! Okay, where's Thrash?"

Get my point?

Posted by: tripz | April 15, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

As I think about it a bit more, the lack of INT's tells a partial story. How many times did he complete a pass only to be a yard short on 3rd down? I remember far too many of those. You can certainly blame to WR too, but JC threw to that WR.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 15, 2009 8:00 PM |

I think you should take that one up with Zorn. His feeling is that it is the receivers responsibility to get the extra yard or two. Sounds like Campbell was doing what he was told.

Posted by: edvar | April 15, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

We are talking about Thrash and ARE. Not sure those guys would be starters on ANY other team in the NFL, if you know what I mean...

Posted by: edvar | April 15, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

"Strategery"

Classic, Stumped, simply classic!

The scary part is, I can actually picture Napoleon or his buffoon using that term as basis for their draft pick(s).

Posted by: tripz | April 15, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

"I guess only 3 TD's stand out, and yet due to no INT's he gets a 100 rating? I suppose a 56% completion percentage is ok, just seems it doesn't add up to enough good work to win games.

Only my humble opinion.

Posted by: lsskinsfan"

Well Campbell attempted 50 passes in the stats I posted above. He attempted 506 passes across the entire season. Extrapolate the stats above to a full season (around 500 attempts) and you get 30 TDs and 3,800 yards. Seems to me that his stats above are more than enough to consider a true measure of ability to win games.

And that HAS to be taken into consideration when critiquing Campbell. And this is the major reason why any poster that says "Campbell can't run a west coast" or "Campbell simply isn't good" or anything of that sort gets absolutely zero credence from me. He's got the ability, plain and simple, and has shown it over significant stretches and situations. His problem is putting it together at all times (like when it's NOT a "clutch" situation -- which is actually his biggest criticism, not the other way around).

Posted by: psps23 | April 15, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

I agree 100& the WR's need to run better routes and ARE and Thrash are terrible as #2, and #3 on the team. I still wonder if JC had taken a chance(yes I know it may have resulted in an INT) if maybe the D would soften a little and he may have had 4 or 5 TD's instead of just 3,and won a game or two more? There is enough blame to go around no doubt. Gibbs taught JC to MANAGE a game and I'm afraid JC is having a hard time shaking that off.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 15, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

The opposing D has to worry about the deep or even intermediate passes. If not, they clamp down and choke you out like they did the Skins last year.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 15, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

I simply don't get the frustration with Campbell. Broman ... not to pick on you ... remembers Campbell as being a disaster in the 4th quarter. But then psps brings up the stats and the guys is money.

Yes, he didn't throw a lot of TD passes, but he rarely made mistakes that cost the team games.

Its so easy to confuse excitement and excellence. Campbell was excellent last year, except against the top 3 defenses -- nyg, Ravens and Steelers (Portis avg 3.2 a carry). Against the rest of the league, Campbell threw 11 TDs and 1 pick!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 15, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

I also agree with a previous post that drafting Sanchez(Unless a trade has been worked out prior) tells all of us including Colt, that drafting him was a waste just like the punter. Wasted two picks when the team has no depth on either line is a certain indicator of a complete lack of understanding of how to build a winning team.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 15, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

edvar,
Shouldn't they be shopping for players to push the rookie WRs?

If Crabtree was falling to #13, I'd say go for it.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 15, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

psps23...Having the ability is different than actually preforming. When has he shown this "ability?" I am still not convinced, and as somebody said before, those stats are more deceiving than you would think.

Too much time has been invested in Campbell and its time to pull the plug. Anything less than elite or on the verge of elite is a failure...and Campbell, after years of grooming, has just blossomed into mediocrity. The QB is the most important player on offense. Get somebody who has the potential to actually lead a great offense.

And I will bet that, regardless of how farfetched and iffy this may sound, even in his first year if given the chance to play Sanchez will deliver a better season than Campbell did this past year.

Posted by: Broman17 | April 15, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

bc Snyder is such a great talent evaluator.

Posted by: dante232 | April 15, 2009 7:38 PM

This is a big part of the problem with this team. I am a better talent evaluator than Snyder and, as most of you know, I'm a complete imposter.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 15, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

You cannot have a successful passing game without a decent offensive line. If a QB is lying on his back - be it Campbell or Sanchez, he has very little likelihood of completing passes. If the Redskins could trade up to get one of the blue chip offensive tackles available, that is precisely what they should do. If they can't trade up, and no offensive tackle falls to the 13th pick, they should trade down and focus on interior linemen and linebackers. Grabbing a QB while fielding a suspect offensive line and forcing the QB to start (because Campbell will more than likely be part of a trade up), would be disastrous.

The burning question on my mind is how does Dan Snyder audition a QB? Does he have him do mock product endorsements? Does he check how well he looks in a Redskins jersey? Does he have him do mock interviews where he sings the virtues of Danny and Vinny? Danny boy needs to get his meddling hands out of player assessments and the draft. It is silly for him to pay scouts and his psuedo GM Vinny if he is not going to use them. Can this guy's ego really be that big that he doesn't get it?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 15, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

I pray this is posturing to someone to trade up for our #13

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | April 15, 2009 7:45 PM

Are your prayers often answered? This franchise does not do "poker face." Sure, they lie to the media, but that's not the same thing as posturing. Even Peter King could tell that they were going after Haynesworth a week before it happened.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 15, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs drafted Campbell because he saw a level-headed, emotionally grounded, big-armed qb to run his offense the way Rypien and Doug Williams did it (at least for that magical SB run). Another grand mistake the Snyderrato made was thinking the SYSTEM needed to change and bringing in a coaching philosophy that counters what Campbell is instead of sticking with and fortifying the philosophy than MADE HIM A REDSKIN GROUPIE in the 80's and early 90's. This management monstrosity has lusted after flash and showtime and totally disregarded the core of all great teams (o and d line, stockpiling talent through the draft and sparingly supplemented by judicious FA pick-ups), and it's gotten this great franchise nothing but let-downs, frustration, and mediocrity for 15 years(?).
If Zorn is as innovative as he appears to be, he will adapt his offense to fit his talent, and create a truly unique hybrid that will be the 'game changer' the West Coast offense was, as was Gibb's 'pound and explode' philosophy that is still employed by teams today (Baltimore and Carolina most notably).

If you have a God, pray and pray hard.

Posted by: pdfordiii | April 15, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Campbell's QB rating vs
jints 81
steelers 49
ravens 60
jints 67

or an average QB rating of 64. 3 of those 4 games included the highest numbers of passes attempted, so these games have more influence on his overall QB rating than any other. Why did he keep throwing? Because we had nowhere to run in those games.

In his other 12 games, Campbell averaged a 95 QB rating.

What is the problem? Play an elite defense with a poor OL and guess what, the QB struggles.

Campbell isn't the problem ... but the light bulb isn't clicking in the Skins FO. or with some of our fans.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 15, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Broman,

I don't think Campbell is a Peyton Manning, Brady Anderson, or a Brett Farve.

Sanchez may prove to be what you say. If Sanchez falls to #13, I guess you draft him. But trading up to get him would be a huge mistake.

QB is not a "plug and play" position, neither is WR. Some QBs and WRs come in and make an immediate impact. If you know how to tell the difference between those who do and those who don't. Bottle it, sell it, and invite me over to party sometime.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 15, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Snyder has graduated from a puerile obsession with having a "name" coach (Schot, Spur, Gibbs) to a much more mature attitude of wanting an offensive system that scores points so that the fans like you and me are entertained. That system is the WCO and his head coach, Zorn, is a guru when it comes to that system. The problem is that the current QB, Campbell, is definitely not a WCO QB. Last year proved that. And QB is the most important cog in the WCO system. So Snyder wanting Sanchez makes a lot of sense since SC uses a uses a WCO variant as its O system. There doesn't seem to be another QB around, either this year or next, that fits the Skins' needs like Sanchez. I don't understand why there has been such a strong adverse reaction to this. If the Skins get Sanchez they will have their QB of the future to build a strong offensive system around. Long term, it is the best possible solution. Only myopic shortsightedness would lead one to believe that (a) keeping Campbell is a good idea or (b) that they have to use their pick ammo to draft a OT like Oher or Smith.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 15, 2009 5:36 PM

Anton,

This is a very good post. I'm not convinced, but it's very well reasoned and if they do get Sanchez this is the best case I've read for why it wouldn't be a disaster. Thanks for posting it.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 15, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

BOTH Vinny and his boss have no clue, and don't seem to possess the ability to learn from their mistakes.

Posted by: lifeonmyterms | April 15, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

For the sake of comparison, here are the top 5 passers in the league (rating-wise) and their stats in that same situation ("close" in the 4th quarter):

(1) Phillip Rivers: 36 for 68, 511 yards, 7.52 YPA, 6 TD, 2 INTs, 94.7 rating

(2) Chad Pennington: 55 for 83, 555 yards, 6.69 YPA, 1 TD, 2 INTs, 79.1 rating

(3) Kurt Warner: 35 for 52, 345 yards, 6.64 YPA, 2 TDs, 2 INTs, 82.6 rating

(4) Drew Brees: 36 for 60, 458 yards, 7.63 YPA, 4 TDs, 4 INTs, 78.3 rating

(5) Peyton Manning: 42 for 70, 503 yards, 7.19 YPA, 3 TDs, 0 INTs, 96.3 rating

Now compare those to the same stats I posted above.

Jason Campbell: 28 for 50, 380 yards, 7.60 YPA, 3 TDs, 0 INTs, 100.4 rating

He has it. Better rating than every one of the above QBs, only two that compare to Campbell (Rivers and Manning), one of whom took 20 more passes to hit the same number of TDs.

Posted by: psps23 | April 15, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Can this guy's ego really be that big that he doesn't get it?

Posted by: RedSkinHead

In a word: Yep!

Posted by: tripz | April 15, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

I posted this before some of you new guys tell me what you think...

I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but Campbell is not very good. He had the same offensive line from beginning to end with minimal changes an still could not get us to the playoffs. He shows flashes of brilliance, but every time we get excited the next week is the same old same old. He is slow in his release, robotic in his motions, and lacking an NFL swagger such as Peyton or Brees. He just doesn't look the part. I am convinced that Campbell, after years of grooming and coaching, will never live up to his potential.

He was Joe Gibbs' pick, not Zorn's or Snyder's. Gibbs is gone, and so is the run heavy offense. Bring in some youth, have our sophomore receivers flourish, and bring in a guy who is not afraid to throw the ball downfield. Heyer will develop, we will get a guy later in the draft to groom. With Randy thomas coming back the o-line will be in better shape as well. What good is drafting a lot of receivers when the quarterback has issues getting them the ball? Campbell, as I said before, is slow in his release. Sanchez is faster. The milliseconds in football are so precious, and with every Leftwich-like windup from Campbell, he either fumbles or throws a wobbly pass. A faster release will help our o-line as well.

Start fresh, scrap Gibb's project, and draft the best passer in this years draft.

Posted by: Broman17 | April 15, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

No stat is more likely to predict the outcome of a game more than turnovers. Win the turnover battle and you'll probably win the game.

The Skins defense was about 30th in the league in getting turnovers. Pretty bad. On offense, we were in the middle of the pack in terms of fumbles lost. Yet, we broke even in total turnovers. Why? Because our QB threw fewer picks than any other starter.

Campbell isn't a great QB, but a good game manager who makes a few plays along the way can take a team a very long way

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 15, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Oh! Dan Snyder was there to evaluate! I can imagine the conversation:

Dan: Pssst. Hey Vin, which one is Sanchez?

Vinny: The one throwing the ball.

Dan: Really? I thought they wore helmets and pads and stuff.

Vinny: It's a workout. They don't get all the gear on.

Dan: Ohhh...I WANT HIM!!!!!

Posted by: p1funk | April 15, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Interest in Sanchez is rising, not just in DC.

Some sources say Seattle may take him at #4...

Doubt he'll last to 13. And if Snyder has oversold his interest in him, Jets could leapfrog up over the skins if it looks like he'll drop, rather than risk that Washington will trade with the Jets.

So skins could end up without Sanchez or Orakpo or any of the three-four OT's they want, and with no one anxious to trade down with them.

Then what, another receiver? A punter? A 'roided up LB?

Until this team gets a real football man running the show, all it is is a marketing company.


Posted by: TheCork | April 15, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

"I am still not convinced, and as somebody said before, those stats are more deceiving than you would think."

Well my gut feeling tells me that nobody short of pro-bowl voters will convince you. And that's fine, you seem to need tangible "flash" to be convinced, as do most fans (including Snyder).

Me, I'm attempting to look ahead of the current status, where I see him going. And trust me, this is not just because he's the current QB. I wasn't saying the same about Ramsey, nor was I satisfied with Brunell (let alone any Spurrier chosen QBs). Campbell has a chance, a good chance, to be special. And I'd hate to see Snyder throw that away because he's incompetently impatient.

Posted by: psps23 | April 15, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

I read it and thought it was a good post. I don't agree with everything you said. Too harsh on Campbell. Heyer is promising, but I'm not sold. It's great to have Dock back.

I think great coaches can tailor their systems to their players strengths, not stovepipe players to their system. I think Zorn is trying...but.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 15, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

This is a big part of the problem with this team. I am a better talent evaluator than Snyder and, as most of you know, I'm a complete imposter.

Posted by: talent_evaluator


Keep talking like that, T_E, and Snyder may offer you the job as GM.

Posted by: TheCork | April 15, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

If a Sanchez is picked against Zorn's wishes, damaging Campbell's psyche and body (no OL), Zorn should quit. He'd be at the top of many lists as new coaching jobs open elsewhere if only for his integrity.

Posted by: aubaine | April 15, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Broman17, just a glutton for punishment, aren't you?

If the 'sophomore receivers' flourish (that does include running the correct rout, I assume). If Heyer develops significantly and if Thomas returns to his form of a few years back ...

Those 'ifs' would all benefit ANY QB on the Skins, including Campbell.

Except against the top 3 defenses, Campbell DID get the ball to his receivers.

I simply don't know what you are remembering.


On a different point, though, I agree. Campbell was Gibbs project and Vinny seems to want Gibbs out of the house. I said that the Gibbs 2.0 era ended the week of the Cincy game, when Portis went off with his mouth, but not when the bell rang on Sunday. I do get a sense that Vinny wants this to be the 'House that Vinny Built', not the 'House Vinny Inherited from Joe Gibbs'. Which makes Campbell vulnerable, just not for the right reasons.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 15, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

What is the problem? Play an elite defense with a poor OL and guess what, the QB struggles.

Campbell isn't the problem ... but the light bulb isn't clicking in the Skins FO. or with some of our fans.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 15, 2009 8:48 PM |
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Exactly.

Also, after the Steelers game, our offensive line was broken. Even the pathetic and hurting Rams D.L. exposed it.

The peeps who refuse to admit this either didn't watch the games, or simply refuse to let the facts get in the way of their arguments.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 15, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

If Sanchez is the pick, Campbell needs to leave ASAP. This would not be a placeholder situation.

The only upside to this whole thing is the possibility that teams become more aggressive about snapping up Sanchez in the first 2 or 3 spots. Which might drop Curry to 5, increasing the chances that the Skins could get him. But now I'm really dreaming ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 15, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Point blank: our qb is the worst in the NFC east. And that will not change anytime soon. And the qb as I said, is the most important position for an offense. And yes, as psps23 suggests, I am getting impatient. The Giants gave Eli time and look what he turned into. For Campbell...every year we seem to conjure the excuse that he "is still improving" and "is making strides." Well as the Giants (who could have Braylon prior to the draft), Cowboys, and even the Eagles are progressing well and getting Super Bowl rings and 6 nationally televised games (yes 6 to the freakin' Cowboys!!!), we are staying put and not getting anywhere.

Yay to a .500 season!!! If you guys want that, then congratulations you've got it. Sanchez is a perfect fit for the west coast offense, as somebody suggested earlier, and Campbell is not. Regardless of his "progression" and "potential stardom" he does not fit the new redskin offensive mold.

Time to move on...hopefully things come together. 10 days until Judgement Day.

Posted by: Broman17 | April 15, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Start fresh, scrap Gibb's project, and draft the best passer in this years draft.

Posted by: Broman17 | April 15, 2009

I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

BUT YOUR ANALYSIS is (probably as usual) completely wrong.

The interest Sanchez as a JUNIOR isn't because of his quick release, nor his arm (which is weaker than Campbell's), nor his mobility (which is also less than Campbell's). Its exactly what you compliment Campbell for, his ability to manage games and make fewer mistakes than Stafford.

That is everyone looks at him seriously because of this except for the Redskins. God only knows why Dany Snyder picks who he picks among free agents and rookie draft picks. Its likely some sort of "cocky" demeanor I suspect.

Evidence you say? YOU HAVE NONE! I have plenty.

2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 74 | Key
Alert: None

Comment: He is a good overall athlete with good size and a strong arm. He has quick feet in his pass drops and set up. He adjusts quickly when he sees pressure, but doesn't have a great feel for the rush yet when his eyes are down field. He will get his eyes locked on receivers at times and be late to escape or avoid. He can buy time with his feet and he is a good athlete, once he is outside the box, to make plays with his legs. He needs to improve his overall vision and pocket adjustments. He will only get better with more experience. He has a little bit of a wind up release, but the ball comes off his hand quickly once he makes his decision. He showed good touch on underneath throws and a strong enough arm to deliver accurately on deeper throws. He has good touch on vertical routes and toward the sideline. He has enough arm strength to put good velocity on the ball and drive it into tight spots. He has shown improved timing with his three and five-step drops since becoming the starter. While he will pre-determine where he is going, he is accurate enough to get the ball into his receivers' hands. He has a good combination of size, athletic ability and arm strength. However, he needs to improve his ball security and overall feel for pressure. He is a solid, young player to build around. He will only get better with experience.

Posted by: periculum | April 15, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Mark Sanchez:

Game Management 3
Inexperience is concerning. Still learning the nuances of the position and approach to leading an offensive unit. Still maturing as a decision maker, as well. However, he made noticeable strides in this regard as a junior in 2008. He understands the value of ball control and knows how to go through progression reads. He is a vocal leader with exceptional passion for the game. Coaches rave about his work ethic. He is tough and will play through pain. An excellent competitor.

Accuracy 2
Sanchez's deep ball tends to float on occasion and Stafford makes harder throws (deep outs, comebacks, etc.) more accurately. But Sanchez is more consistently accurate in the short-to-intermediate zones  particularly between the numbers. He displays very good touch. Gets the ball out quickly and throws a 'catchable' ball on quick-hitters. Knows how to drop the ball in between linebackers and safeties. Rarely misses an open target.

Release 1
Very quick release with solid overall mechanics in his delivery. Gets rid of the ball quickly, particularly when needed on underneath throws. Shows strong hands and great ball control. Exceptional when it comes to pump-faking and pulling the ball back.

Arm Strength 3
Arm strength is adequate but not great. He can make all the necessary throws in the NFL but he needs to be good with his timing on certain throws vertically and outside the numbers. Gets good zip on intermediate throws, especially over the middle. But can't drive it vertically like Stafford and his deep outs take a bit too long to arrive.

Mobility 2
Very good pocket presence. Really improved in this area as a junior. Displays quick feet. Gets set quickly and shows agility to avoid the initial rush. Will step up in the pocket and also shows the foot speed to out-run the rush to the perimeter. Is a better athlete than appeared most of junior season, when he was battling a lingering knee injury.

Posted by: periculum | April 15, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

If Sanchez is the pick, Campbell needs to leave ASAP. This would not be a placeholder situation.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 15, 2009 9:22 PM

Disagree, Zeke. Sanchez needs a year on the bench, watching Campbell. He's not ready to start. Campbell needs a big year to get the type of contract that he wants. This could be like Drew Brees/Phillip Rivers, which worked out well for both athletes and for the Chargers.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 15, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Stay away from Mark Sanchez! If we are that desperate for a QB (I'm a JC fan) next years class will be much better than this one. Besides, USC's offense was the worst it's been in a few years. The USC defense was the dominant force for that team.Hopefully, they are posturing for additional picks.

Posted by: dcwun | April 15, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

First Round Quarterbacks likelihood of Success:
Higher Scores are better (apparently competent FO types weight on making the fewest mistakes as opposed to guady stats)[higher is better]:
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Philip Rivers: 48.44
Colt Brennan: 46.10
Peyton Manning: 39.47
Jason Campbell: 38.75
Mark Sanchez: 32.63

Josh Freeman: 1.94
Mathew Stafford: -4.55
Michael Vick: -11.32
Ryan Leaf -16.92

Campbell and Colt Brennan are the better choices at this stage of the game.

Posted by: periculum | April 15, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

'...If Crabtree was falling to #13, I'd say go for it....'

This, I agree with.

If the team is to make a draft 'mistake' let it be with a dynamic skill player.

The lesson learned from the cards is that three ball catchers--Boldin, Fitzgerald, Breaston--might be better than a dominant running back.


Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Yay to a .500 season!!! If you guys want that, then congratulations you've got it. Sanchez is a perfect fit for the west coast offense, as somebody suggested earlier, and Campbell is not. Regardless of his "progression" and "potential stardom" he does not fit the new redskin offensive mold.

Campbell has had less than a year and a half as a starter and you are ready to replace him with a college junior. You sound like a idiot?

Sanchez as I show above is a very high risk move. IN fact it would be better to make Colt the #2 QB if Snidely is so concerned.

Time to move on...hopefully things come together. 10 days until Judgement Day.

Posted by: Broman17 | April 15, 2009

Produce some facts to back up opinion next time.

Posted by: periculum | April 15, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Cambell may not be HOF bound but in this mans opinion if he could just cut a half second off his delivery he would be one of the upper echelon QB's. The main problem i saw was the play calling at the end of the year. Every third down it was like the defense was a step ahead maybe it was zorn or limited talent on the ol wr positions but it didn't seem like it was Cambell fault.

Posted by: DG28 | April 15, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

z

'...If Sanchez is the pick, Campbell needs to leave ASAP. This would not be a placeholder situation...'


I been saying this, and will keep saying it.

Plus, you know like I do that the same folks who hate the move to draft Sanchez now, will shut their trap if Campbell's trade brings back a low third rounder: that's 2 3rd rounders to go with the team's remaining picks.

No one would complain if that happens.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

The lesson learned from the cards is that three ball catchers--Boldin, Fitzgerald, Breaston--might be better than a dominant running back.

Given Portis inability to catch a pass to save anyone's life this makes sense ... so why aren't we trying to replace him? He hasn't exactly set th world on fire. Gaudy stats against the lesser teams. Fewer TDs last year. NO TD catches.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2009

Posted by: periculum | April 15, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

No one would complain if that happens.
Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2009

Better hope Colt is as good as everyone believes because otherwise its 0-16

Posted by: periculum | April 15, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Your evidence is quite extensive. I'm glad espn.com could assist you. You have told me nothing...I have seen that exact little blurb a while ago. So what evidence do you truly have? Give me something buddy.

Posted by: Broman17 | April 15, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

'..Sanchez needs a year on the bench, watching Campbell. He's not ready to start...'

talent_evaluator,

You're both right and wrong here and that's why this whole discussion about drafting Sanchez is so trifling.

Yeah, he'd benefit from a year on the bench. But then, why not sit back now and not draft him, give Campbell a clear shot this season, and if he fails, draft someone equal to or better next year?

Heck, if you sit Sanchez behind Campbell for a season, what do you do if Campbell has a lights out year? Lemme guess, you don't re-sign him and let an unproven rook step in?

Yeah, it's all nutty.

Moe says if you draft Sanchez, hand him the starting job, trade Campbell on day one, and move on.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Broman17, are you "Sports Guru" reincarnated? You sure as hell sound like the guy...moan about JC, bash JC, JC sucks, trade JC, crucify JC, burn JC at the stake...

Posted by: tripz | April 15, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone here actually watched Sanchez play? All the highlights I see are not impressive and my thinking is if this is the best highlights espn can come up with the guy can't be that great. The one game I saw him play he did not seem to have a good arm and the defense won the game. Can any one out there testify with personal experience from watching him not just some stats or analysis from people like Mel(who if he such agreat evalutor why doesn't some nfl team give him ajob)Kiper?

Posted by: DG28 | April 15, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Heck, if you sit Sanchez behind Campbell for a season, what do you do if Campbell has a lights out year? Lemme guess, you don't re-sign him and let an unproven rook step in?

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2009 9:50 PM

You trade him, like the Chargers traded Brees.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 15, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

I been saying this, and will keep saying it.

Plus, you know like I do that the same folks who hate the move to draft Sanchez now, will shut their trap if Campbell's trade brings back a low third rounder: that's 2 3rd rounders to go with the team's remaining picks.

No one would complain if that happens.

Posted by: MistaMoe
I would complain Cambell may not be great but he would start instanly on ten teams to me that means he's worth a late first rounder where we drafted him.

Posted by: DG28 | April 15, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

If Sanchez is there at #13, I think you have to take him. If Campbell has a bust year, then you have Sanchez in the fold. I don't think the Skins' challenge is the QB as much as weapons and talent for them to throw to. I think Thomas and Kelly are the wildcards in this whole thing.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 15, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Theodore just blew the game for the caps. Theadore 16 saves Lundquist 38. Hes gonna be the reason no washington team wins a title this year.

Posted by: DG28 | April 15, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse


dg28

'...Cambell may not be great but he would start instanly on ten teams to me that means he's worth a late first rounder where we drafted him....'

I hear you, but I don't think Jason Campbell's going to get us a late 1st round pick in a trade scenario.

But if he could.......


Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

My impression is that Snyder is not so humble, so he just doesn't get it.

If anything the opposite of humble. Pushy, aggressive marketing / sales type. Knows nothing about what it takes to be a professional athlete.

Because of this and his demeanor he is usually more attracted to "showboats", "entertainers", and "Hollywood" types among the players.

He is Snidely Owl of Rockville.

Posted by: periculum | April 15, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

For the sake of "4th quarter letdowns", here are Campbell's numbers in the 4th quarter when the game is 'close' (defined as less than or equal to a 7-point margin), courtesy of espn.com:

28 for 50, 380 yards, 7.60 YPA, 3 TDs, 0 INTs, 100.4 rating

Campbell is downright elite when it comes to "4th quarter letdowns" (or the opposite of them). You might want to find another argument if your bent on criticizing him.

Posted by: psps23

Posted by: psps23 *

Looking at those numbers seems odd to me. I am reminded of the phrase, "Figures lie, and liars figure!"
I guess only 3 TD's stand out, and yet due to no INT's he gets a 100 rating? I suppose a 56% completion percentage is ok, just seems it doesn't add up to enough good work to win games.

Only my humble opinion.


Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 15, 2009 7:56 PM |

I'd like to see the numbers on sacks and hurries too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 15, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

if Sanchez is there at #13, I think you have to take him. If Campbell has a bust year, then you have Sanchez in the fold.

Given the lack of physicality necessary for the QB position I just don't see him as a 1st round pick. None of the QB's this year are worth a 1st rounder. Basically I think you are just drafting Colt Brennan from a bigger school. You already have him at a bargain basement price? Why do we need another one?

Posted by: periculum | April 15, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

I guess only 3 TD's stand out, and yet due to no INT's he gets a 100 rating? I suppose a 56% completion percentage is ok, just seems it doesn't add up to enough good work to win games.
Only my humble opinion.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 15, 2009

Three words: Brett Favre 2008

INTs do get weighted more than TD passes.
Mistakes kill drives, they create more losses,
eventually they kill teams.

Posted by: periculum | April 15, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Call this wishful thinking but I find it hard to believe the redskins are genuinely targeting Sanchez. I dont see them going with him unless all the OTs above Britton (AZ) and the top two LBs are already gone.

I tend to agree with those that feel the redskins are playing tricky to facilate a trade down....Sanchez would look good in green and white (Jets #17)...and he has the personality for NYC.

Lets give JC one more year before we blow this thing up again....as long as all you Colt Brennon Fan Club members can keep it quite until atleast week 6.

Posted by: Chrisphilippsen | April 15, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

You trade him, like the Chargers traded Brees.
Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 15, 2009

So swap a Campbell for this? We all know Marty was not the sharpest tool in the shed when it came to QBs.

Grade: 71 (Noting that Campbell is rated a 74 with a significant upside still possible).

Comment: Rivers showed excellent toughness throughout San Diego's playoff run while playing with a knee injury. He slowly improved as the 2007 season went along, but for much of the year, he was holding back the potentially-explosive Chargers' offense. His accuracy and mechanics were erratic for much of the season, but in his defense, he was getting acclimated to a new coaching staff. Rivers also consistently felt pressure that simply was not there and forced throws while displaying poor footwork. He finished the season strong and overall, posted good numbers for the season, but with the enormous wealth of talent that he is surrounded by, more should be expected at this stage of his career. His ability to handle a heavy pass rush and the pressure of the big game is also a concern. He is a hot head who explodes and acts immature on the field. However, he is a smart player who should recognize this weakness in the near future and should also continue to gain more confidence in Norv Turner's offensive system. Obviously this is an issue coming from a starting signal-caller. When right, he gets the ball out quickly and on time. His release is unorthodox, but he makes it work and is a good timing passer who can put the ball right where his receiver wants it. His arm strength is not elite, but it is serviceable and he does tend to load up for the deeper throws. He does have good height, can see over the line of scrimmage and is built well enough to take the big hit. Rivers is incapable of making plays with his legs and is a poor athlete for the quarterback position. He has heavy feet in the pocket and isn't nimble in any of his movements. He simply makes too many poor decisions and this must be corrected for Rivers to escalate his play. While it is too early to dub him a heavy durability risk, his knee injury does need to be watched.

Posted by: periculum | April 15, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell
2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 74

Comment: He is a good overall athlete with good size and a strong arm. He has quick feet in his pass drops and set up. He adjusts quickly when he sees pressure, but doesn't have a great feel for the rush yet when his eyes are down field. He will get his eyes locked on receivers at times and be late to escape or avoid. He can buy time with his feet and he is a good athlete, once he is outside the box, to make plays with his legs. He needs to improve his overall vision and pocket adjustments. He will only get better with more experience. He has a little bit of a wind up release, but the ball comes off his hand quickly once he makes his decision. He showed good touch on underneath throws and a strong enough arm to deliver accurately on deeper throws. He has good touch on vertical routes and toward the sideline. He has enough arm strength to put good velocity on the ball and drive it into tight spots. He has shown improved timing with his three and five-step drops since becoming the starter. While he will pre-determine where he is going, he is accurate enough to get the ball into his receivers' hands. He has a good combination of size, athletic ability and arm strength. However, he needs to improve his ball security and overall feel for pressure. He is a solid, young player to build around. He will only get better with experience.

Posted by: periculum | April 15, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

this is not good.

snyder. idoiot. please don't .. this guy had an amazing team around him at usc ,, and he did what? he's nfl back up. i'd rather have patrick ramsey back.. remember him? who's he starting for now? who's jason campbell starting going to be? they both were not cosidered the best qb's in their respective drafts, neither is sanchez.. who does snyder think he and cerato are? it's not like they've been winning?why does he thinkn he knows more then the concesns of most scouts? why don't we try and get the mannings? the matt ryan's? the consensus no 1 qb.. the best guys! not someone synder happens to want to fawn over to fufil the void left from his huge ego ( and lack of inner peace.. over grown adolecent billionaire


somebody buy the redskins

also.. why waste our top pick on a qb.. don't they wan't to win this year.. isn't that why they just spend a billion dollars to buy haynesworth?

these guys have no idea what they are doing? why don't they try listening to mike mayock, casserly, kiper, actual draft experts and stop smoking crack, get of the scientology, wake up, and stop and ruining the redskins . please

Posted by: jrak1 | April 15, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Lets now look at who Rivers with his 105.5 QB rating replaced:

Drew Brees
2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 89 (1 point short of elite)


Comment: Brees is an undersized, right-handed QB with smarts and leadership skills. He has good set-up quickness and throwing mechanics. Will use both a crossover step and back pedal to gain depth in his drops, where he sets up quickly with good balance. He's a good overall athlete who is quick enough to avoid the rush or escape outside. Can feel pressure and does a good job buying time with his footwork. While he is mobile and can avoid pressure, he is not tall and they will often use him in the shotgun. They will also utilize his athleticism by moving him around on boots and waggles. A good ball-handler who can carry out play-fakes and has a quick release and good throwing motion. Has accuracy and touch short. Gets rid of the ball quickly and places it well on underneath throws and is accurate when throwing on the run. Can quickly square his shoulders quickly to the target on the move and shows good touch. Lack of height will cause him to jump-release to get the ball over defenders on screens from the pocket, and his short stature sometimes presents opportunities for DLs to bat balls down at the line of scrimmage. He can be quick with his decisions, hit his plant step and get rid of the ball with good timing and is effective when quick reads are open and he doesn't have to adjust around pressure. If he gets comfortable and finds a rhythm he can move the chains downfield quickly, make quick reads and good decisions when distributing the ball. Brees is deceptive at times and will give pump fakes to one side then come across field. Has good quickness with his decisions when adjusting around pressure and is quick to locate checkdowns, which he can his accurately without setting his feet. He is tough for his size but he won't remain accurate after taking more than a few big hits. Will often move outside the pocket early in games to keep pass-rushers off balance.

Posted by: periculum | April 15, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Now we'll look at a QB with an elite rating of 96. QB rating only a 95.

Jason Campbell has the REAL potential to be much, much better with right coach and offense to surround him.

Peyton Manning
Grade: 96

Comment: Manning is a highly productive quarterback who is intelligent and instinctive. He is very comfortable in this offense. His experience in the system and slow player turnover has allowed Manning and his teammates to work through all kinds of scenarios and adjustments. Physically, he has the size, arm strength, and accuracy everyone looks for. He is mechanically sound and has good overall strength in the pocket. He has good set up quickness and a solid feel for pressure with his eyes down field. He can adjust to buy time in the pocket, but is not a running threat. He has a knack for when to move his feet without losing focus on coverage or receivers. He understands timing and has a good clock in his head. He has good height in the pocket with good ball position to release it quickly after making his decisions. When he decides to throw it, the ball comes out quickly and he can put good velocity on all types of throws. His arm is strong enough to make all the throws and he is sound with his overall decisions. Like most quarterbacks, his accuracy and decisions decrease after getting hit. He has the confidence to respond quickly from a mistake and he will challenge you downfield again on the next series, if he throws an interception. He does a very good job of throwing with touch, when needed. He knows when to take something off the ball. He has impressive timing with his receivers and he often releases the ball before they come out of their breaks. He is accurate to all parts of the field and can also zip it into tight spots. He does a good job in the red zone of reading coverage and making quick, accurate decisions. He is also a sound ball handler who can disguise play fakes and get rid of it quickly once he locates his receivers. He has very few flaws and one of the best work ethics of any player. (This is Jason Campbell)

Posted by: periculum | April 15, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Stop copying and pasting from espn.com please

Posted by: Broman17 | April 15, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

The other "elite QB"

Tom Brady (9 years in the league same HC similar offenses.)
Grade: 96

Comment: Brady is coming off a record-setting season. He is an excellent combination of size, intelligence, instincts and arm strength. He is just an above-average athlete, but shows enough foot quickness and agility to slide in the pocket and deliver the ball effectively downfield. Brady has outstanding focus and competitiveness to go along with a strong arm as well mental toughness. His poise in the pocket enables him to find his second and third options in the passing game. Brady has excellent vision of the field and reads coverages and pressure packages as well as anyone in the league. He can power the ball into tight spots or use touch on delicate throws. He isn't a run threat and is best in the pocket setting his feet and using his weight transfer to execute his craft. He can improvise and deliver the ball from different angles, but isn't an outstanding creator when plays break down. He is excellent at getting rid of the ball to avoid the sack and is one of the most accurate and efficient signal callers to ever play the game. Brady has an uncanny ability to make plays in pressure situations when the game is on the line. His durability has been remarkable and one of main reasons for the outstanding success the Patriots have enjoyed. Brady is a future Hall of Famer who should continue to put up gaudy numbers in 2008.

Again compare with the elite nature of Jason Campbell's physicality to go with the humbleness required to seek constant improvement along with a work ethic that is required for a future HOF. Potentially, given a supporting cast and good ownership, the very QB the Redskins have ever had.

Joe Gibbs knows quarterbacks, (far, far better than Zorn), he groomed guys like Dan Fouts and Doug Williams.

Posted by: periculum | April 15, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Stop copying and pasting from espn.com please
Posted by: Broman17 | April 15, 2009

STOP posting your BS nonsense NO FACTS, opinions based on complete nonsense.

Where are your facts ignoramus or does it come out of high school fantasy leagues?

Posted by: periculum | April 15, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Anyone can twist facts to support their arguments.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 15, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

What fact do I need I watch all the games I see everything. You haven't even given facts you are just taking other players' bios and filling in what you think Campbell has. That's lame man.

Posted by: Broman17 | April 15, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Stop copying and pasting from espn.com please

Posted by: Broman17 | April 15, 2009 10:37 PM |
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I'd almost agree with you, Broman17.

Except for the fact that all your posts are "I HATE JASON CAMPBELL AND I'LL TYPE ANYTHING BECAUSE I HATE JASON CAMPBELL1!111one!"

So sit down and shut SJK up.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 15, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Broman17, you are fighting a pointless battle here.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 15, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

beep beep your ass ...

Posted by: periculum | April 15, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

1. Jason Campbell #17 QB

2008 STATS
RAT YDS TD
84.3 3,245 13

2. Joe Flacco #5 QB

2008 STATS
RAT YDS TD
80.3 2,971 14

3. Matt Ryan #2 QB

2008 STATS
RAT YDS TD
87.7 3,440 16

All these 3 QBs have one thing in common; it's there first year in their respective offenses. Give Campbell a break.

Posted by: abxinc | April 15, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

1. Jason Campbell #17 QB

2008 STATS
RAT YDS TD
84.3 3,245 13

2. Joe Flacco #5 QB

2008 STATS
RAT YDS TD
80.3 2,971 14

3. Matt Ryan #2 QB

2008 STATS
RAT YDS TD
87.7 3,440 16

All these 3 QBs have one thing in common; it's there first year in their respective offenses. Give Campbell a break.

Posted by: abxinc | April 15, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Soups #'s for 2008
1st Half 84.1
2nd Half 84.5
Last Two Minutes of Half 76.8

Eli
1st Half 86.2
2nd Half 81.5
Last Two Minutes of Half 88.8

Romo
1st Half 83.6
2nd Half 100.4
Last Two Minutes of Half 91.6

Mcnabb
1st Half 82.7
2nd Half 90.1
Last Two Minutes of Half 65.7

Big Ben
1st Half 76.8
2nd Half 88.4
Last Two Minutes of Half 70.9

Posted by: Realness1 | April 15, 2009 11:36 PM | Report abuse

We are talking about Thrash and ARE. Not sure those guys would be starters on ANY other team in the NFL, if you know what I mean...

Posted by: edvar

Thank you, finally somebody with some sense. The last time I checked, the NY Giants offense was abysmal when Plaxico caught that gun charge. Before then Eli Manning looked good. ARE AND James "TRASH" would not start for any other NFL team, im sorry, but here in Washington that was Campbells options. Lets swap , lets give Campbell Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald and Kurt Warner can have Santana and ARE and see who fares better. You all know where im going get off his j-strap and be realistic.

Posted by: abysmalsportswear | April 16, 2009 12:05 AM | Report abuse

edvar,
Shouldn't they be shopping for players to push the rookie WRs?

If Crabtree was falling to #13, I'd say go for it.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 15, 2009 8:33 PM |
Sorry, just saw this...

Uhh, no. Not with only 5 draft picks. Those guys are just going to have to step up.

I would take a flier on a TALL WR prospect in the 6th or 7th round (on my board, I pick Greg Carr 6'6" From FSU). Beyond that, I would say we should use none of our picks above 5th round on WR's.

Ok, unless somehow Ramses Barden (6'6" Cal Poly) falls to us in the third round, but that will not happen.

Posted by: edvar | April 16, 2009 12:34 AM | Report abuse

We should use this tactic to trade down for more picks and get some strong OL prospects. Maybe a linebacker?

Posted by: BMACattack | April 16, 2009 4:08 AM | Report abuse

testing comments

Posted by: Bob Greiner | April 16, 2009 7:07 AM | Report abuse

If this team drafts Sanchez, does Snyderrato expect them to be in the playoffs and make a serious run in 1 year? If you haven't addressed the team's core needs, you're back to 'rebuilding' once again. There will be FO pressure to 'give more reps' to Sanchez vs. Campbell, if he's still here. I'm praying JC has a Pro-Bowl year, or at least a qb rating in the 90's at the end of the year, and he walks to a team better suited to his style, say Carolina or even Arizona (he's better than Leinart). How is the WCO more 'entertaining'? When was the last time a WCO won a Super Bowl? Tampa Bay? You either adjust your system to your players, or draft players for your system. If the Redskins are going the 'draft players for your system' route, Then I guess you draft Sanchez but you're back to 2-3 years to rebuild.
I think the Skins' FO has learned to float ideas on this blog to gauge fan reaction, and judging what I'm seeing here there's an increasing chance they may pull the trigger on this dumb move since the response isn't as overwhelmingly vehement as it was for the potential Cutler move.

The Redskins' FO is pathetic, and all the money Snyder has thrown around foolishly the past 15 years has been money flushed down the toilet. You ticket buying, jersey-wearing, everything-burgundy-and-gold owning fans have fed this beast, and the players have only made good money, but done nothing much else. Gibbs produced 3 SB rings, 2 and possibly 2 more HOF players; in more time, what has Snyder done for this team except enrich himself?

Posted by: pdfordiii | April 16, 2009 7:23 AM | Report abuse

pdford:" I'm praying JC has a Pro-Bowl year, or at least a qb rating in the 90's at the end of the year, and he walks to a team better suited to his style, say Carolina or even Arizona (he's better than Leinart). How is the WCO more 'entertaining'? When was the last time a WCO won a Super Bowl? Tampa Bay? You either adjust your system to your players, or draft players for your system. If the Redskins are going the 'draft players for your system' route, Then I guess you draft Sanchez but you're back to 2-3 years to rebuild."

I'm afraid I don't follow this logic. Campbell is pretty well suited to the WCO. He's accurate and throws well under the defense, and yet he can wing it when somebody gets open. He's improved in his mobility and is more comfortable throwing on the run than when he arrived. I'd say he's much better suited to the WCO than he was to Gibbs' deep passing game.

The thing is, we haven't seen Zorn's version of the WCO yet. Because the rest of the team wasn't suited to playing it. I mean the OL, and the running backs, and the WRs. So Zorn went with the flow and revived a lot of the Gibbs run-based scheme.

Worked early in the year, not so well in the second half. Still, you saw in the second Iggles game what the team can still do against a hot team.

The area where they really need help is the receivers. They've got to have at least one big guy come through. Won't be Cooley; he's not athletic enough. Davis, Thomas, or Kelly. Or somebody we haven't heard of. That's what they need in the red zone, and for important first downs.

I don't know about Sanchez. He's probably a better athlete than Jason, and he throws well on the run. He's accurate underneath and seems to have the arm for the deep stuff. He's not as immobile as Leinart, but he's nowhere near the athlete Carson Palmer was before he started getting hurt. A good mid first round choice, I'd say, whose value is getting inflated by the extreme need for QBs.


Posted by: Samson151 | April 16, 2009 7:43 AM | Report abuse

In an alternative universe Redskins coach Gregg Williams is getting ready to begin his second season after the skins posted a winning record and went deep into the playoffs building off of what he and Joe Gibbs constructed. Unfortunately in this universe the powers that be are more interested in putting on a sideshow than a quality team that can win a champinship. In fact it appears that they are getting ready to do the same thing they did to the last good quarterback they ran out of town. I forsee Jason Campbell going to Tampa and winning a superbowl and probably ending his career in Dallas as a backup. Zorn will be fired prior to the end of the season and they'll bring Marty back for a one-year stint as the cycle just repeats itself over and over!

Posted by: mottermx | April 16, 2009 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Please Dan, give Jason another year! Don't blow a pick on an overpriced, unproven QB! Let's build the line. That will make any QB better. You want to make money and get fans excited? Then build a team that can go deep into the play-offs. The careers of 1st round QBs are notoriously difficult to predict. Just picture in your mind Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, Heath Shuler...

Posted by: MrDumberton | April 16, 2009 8:45 AM | Report abuse

I bow to the godz of football. The same one's that prevented us from getting poncho cinco, that brought Gibbs back, that prevented the Cutler trade, that got us into the '07 playoffs................Have mercy.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 16, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Sampson151:
When I start talking about Snyderrato my logic morphs into a slow, burning rage ;-)

JC is simply a better qb now, and your point about the weakness of the rest of the team is valid. As I posted previously, Zorn needs to create a WCO system that utilizes Campbell's strengths instead of trying to turn him into Brett Farve, Hasselback, or Jeff Garcia. For example, with JC's deep ball ability, you can use the underneath and crossing patterns to set up deep strikes the as effectively as Gibb's running prowess set up deep passes.

Posted by: pdfordiii | April 16, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

I have been patient and tried to give Snyder the benefit of doubt. I really though that this guy wanted to win but then I thought if he really wanted to win why didn't he hire football people to make football decisions?

Snyder is walking a very fine line in trying to be a GM without any experience. If he even had any common sense he would see the Redskins mediocrity starts with him, running coaches in and out of here with their systems etc, he also tends to alienate some players while favoring others.

Drafting Sanchez makes no sense considering the most glaring needs are on the offensive and defensive lines! If Snyder had a clue about how to run a football team he would realize this right away, He would have understood the 2-6 decline the second half of the season had more to do with the play or should I say the lack of play on the offensive and defensive lines, Sanchez cannot hold Campbell or Brennans jock. I hope and have confidence that JC has a great year and leaves this dysfunctional organization called the Washington Redskins. Wake up Danny draft a dam offensive tackle who can play now

Posted by: TheBeatDontStop | April 16, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Two questions:

1) In the modern era of the NFL, have the Redskins ever won a Superbowl without an "elite" quarterback?
ANSWER: yes

2) In the modern era of the NFL, have the Redskins ever won a Superbowl without an "elite" offensive line?
ANSWER: no

Stop the foolishness now...

Posted by: oddjob2 | April 16, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

THIS TEAM IS NOT DRAFTING SANCHEZ!!!! I know as well as any of you that our draft history doesn't inspire blind faith and confidence. But it ain't gonna happen. Either he'll get taken before 13, someone will trade with us to get him, or we'll take a lineman. If not, I will puke on myself.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 16, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

"You trade him, like the Chargers traded Brees."

Brees left the Chargers as a free agent.

Posted by: koalatek | April 16, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

How many of the close "7 pts or fewer" was JC in versus the other QBs that he was compared with? We lost 3 games on the ooponents last drive in the second half of the season because we could not convert 3rd and shorts in order to maintain posession. One of the reasons that the recievers ran routes short of the marker is because they could not run the DBs down the field because everyone in the stadiun knew that JC was going to throw to the outlet reciever. The outlet recievers could not get any YAC becasue everyone in the secondary was there to tackle him because they did not have to worry about anyone going downfield. When JC threw down the field in on clutch 3rd down situations the ball usually was uncatchable for anyone or because he was unable to locate the open man and knew when he broke the huddle who he was going to throw the ball to. His best throws were on first and second down, but when it came to moving the chains, just like his 3rd down completions, he came up short.

Posted by: skinslaw1 | April 16, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

We aren't going to get this kid. Nor should we. Seattle will be the ones who pick him up. Hassleback has 2-3 good years left in him if he doesn't get hurt, they need a replacement. Unless we somehow jump into the top 5 for the pick I don't see this happening. Orakpo...now there may be a chance there. If anything we should draft the ILB from USC, Rey Maulaluga (s/p?).

Posted by: m_david_hall | April 16, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Please shoot me. Better yet, please shoot Dan. How in the world did he manage to make enough money to buy a team like the Redskins and still have absolutely no understanding of the importance of having people around him who understand the business (in this case, football) who can INTELLIGENTLY advise him? I just don't get it.

I will never actually do this, because I will go to my grave a Redskins fan, but I may have to seriously consider moving over to the Ravens if this happens.

Posted by: Filodough | April 16, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

If all of you knuckleheads put this much effort into your college work, you would graduate as honor students.

Posted by: collegedad | April 16, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

If Snyder drafts a QB in round 1 (or in any upper rounds) I am done as a Skins fan. FIRE DAN SNYDER -- oops we can't. Great.

Posted by: davidstone1 | April 17, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

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