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Andre Carter may be the odd man out in Redskins' switch to 3-4 defense

As we've studied the roster and tried to understand all of the Redskins' holes, it's almost been an assumption that the team's two outside linebackers in a 3-4 defense would be Brian Orakpo and Andre Carter. But this probably was never a wise assumption. Carter has been careful with his words since the new staff came on board and talk began to spread about the team shifting to the 3-4.

But when Carter came to Washington in 2006, he made his feelings pretty clear. He had just left San Francisco, which had switched to a 3-4 defense in his final season there and moved him from defensive end to linebacker. When he signed with the Redskins and was introduced in Washington, he said he was "playing out of position" as a linebacker.

"When the 49ers announced they were changing to a 3-4, I'm like, 'Oh, great,' " Carter said at the time, apparently with more than a hint of sarcasm. "But I did it. I feel that's a testament to my character. I made some plays [at linebacker], but it took me out of some plays as far as getting to the quarterback."

That quote appeared in the Washington Times. The Washington Post reported the next day: "The Redskins saw me as a defensive end, and I saw myself as a defensive end," Carter said. "And it's just great for me being back in the trenches because that's where it all started for me."

Talking to people more familiar with his time there, Carter didn't exactly shine in his stint as a linebacker. He began the year No. 2 on the 49ers' depth chart and eventually started 14 games. But by December, 49ers coach Mike Nolan was again using Carter a lot more at end.

Carter's stats in his lone year as a linebacker were solid -- he was credited with 58 tackles and 4.5 sacks -- but those familiar with the year said he was uncomfortable standing up and lacked the natural instincts to drop back in pass coverage.

As they review tape, Redskins coaches have surely noted this and it's part of the reason Carter is more of a question mark this offseason. He's probably too small to play defensive end in a 3-4 defense, and if the Redskins sign a linebacker such as Larry Foote, Rocky McIntosh could slide over to the outside linebacker slot and Carter would be the odd man out. Just a couple months after one of the most successful seasons of his career -- he had 11 sacks and was credited with 62 total tackles -- Carter could find himself in a place of uncertainty.

Another interesting sidenote from the archives: As Carter was weighing his options in free agency in 2006, he first visited Washington, chatted with coach Joe Gibbs and was wooed in particular by Greg Blache, the defensive line coach at the time. Carter didn't commit right away, though, because he also had a trip scheduled to meet with another team: the Denver Broncos.

"I told Mike Shanahan and their owner that they could go to the Super Bowl, that they were close," Carter said, "but I belonged in Washington."

By Rick Maese  |  March 9, 2010; 7:22 AM ET
Categories:  3-4 defense  
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Comments

Chuck Bednarik read this article and puked his guts out. Carter, quit your whining. You're being paid millions to play a game. So play it and shut up.

Posted by: biffgrifftheoneandonly | March 9, 2010 7:53 AM | Report abuse

I'm sure the new coaches will see how well Carter played this year and will find a way to get him onto the field. Otherwise he'd be gone already with the rest of the dead weight.

Posted by: Section104 | March 9, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Trade him for a right tackle.

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | March 9, 2010 7:59 AM | Report abuse

"Just a couple months after one of the most successful seasons of his career -- he had 11 sacks and was credited with 62 total tackles -- Carter could find himself in a place of uncertainty."


Let me put this delicately: TRADE HIM!!

After all, the team finished 4-12 even with his stellar play, and you have to wonder if there is some team out there (like the panthers) that would be interested in Carter.

We didn't win a lot with him, so how can you argue we got to have him?

We need mid round picks, and if a 3rd could be had for a guy who got 11 sacks, take it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 9, 2010 8:00 AM | Report abuse

He made those comments in 2006 after putting in his time in a 3-4 and leaving for Washington.

Posted by: dbuggs | March 9, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

all those folks up here yesterday, spouting about how footballfocus showed the stats that had Carlos as a great corner....well it also showed that Steve Hutchinson, the guard from Minnesota, was not the highest rated guard in the NFL, he wasn't the 17th, nor the 27th...but rather the 37th rated guard in the NFL...yeah, so take those stats and cram them..they're useless...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 9, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Odd man out? How about including important points like how much money he is guaranteed and what potential compensation could we get for him. Maybe even these teams need a pass rush... I mean after reading this post it sounds like we are going to cut the man after he had 11 sacks.

Posted by: krichardson7777 | March 9, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

andre carter is about as athletic as frankenstein or the mummy...

Posted by: boricuabopper | March 9, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

If I'm the Redskins FO, I call up the Bears and see what they're willing to give up for Carter and Rocky Mac. Both fit into their scheme well and both play an area of need for them. If we could get a 3rd rounder for the two of them, I wouldn't call that a loss at all.

But that's probably not realistic, since they're light on draft picks this year.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 9, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Chuck Bednarik read this article and puked his guts out. Carter, quit your whining. You're being paid millions to play a game. So play it and shut up.

Posted by: biffgrifftheoneandonly | March 9, 2010 7:53 AM | Report abuse

Carter made those comments 4 years ago when talking about his relief in being back in a 4-3. He hasn't said anything this year.

Andre Carter is about as far away from being a whiner as Antwaan Randle-El is from being a punt returner. Spend 5 minutes with the guy and you'll be sh*tting rainbows.

If you don't believe me, click on the 'Andre Carter Interviews' link on the side of this page.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 9, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

How bout news on the status of Foote-Parker instead of your insights ( or lack there of) on who the FO is going to play at LB.

Posted by: BleedBurgandGold | March 9, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

trade andre carter.

easy.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 9, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Everyone who says TRADE HIM is foolish...

Nobody will give up a pick for a 31 year old DE, no matter how many sacks he had last year. Especially since the entire world knows we're switching D's and he's the odd man out.

Posted by: rich20ssu | March 9, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

andre carter is about as athletic as frankenstein or the mummy...

Posted by: boricuabopper | March 9, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

What were you watching on Sunday afternoons last fall? Old Universal Studios horror movies on AMC? Because it certainly wasn't the 'Skins' games.

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 9, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Maybe we can trade him to San Diego for Marcus Mason.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 9, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

"..andre carter is about as athletic as frankenstein or the mummy..."


I can't agree with this.

Any dude that gets 11 sacks during a time when it's damn near impossible to even bring a q-back to the ground without flags and fines is hardly unathletic.

He has value in a 4-3 scheme, not a 3-4 scheme.

Teams like the bears, panthers, bucs that play 4-3 could see Carter as an elite type edge rusher with about 3 seasons still in him.

So trade him and take a round 3 or 4 pick knowing you still have Wilson, Orakpo, Jackson, Jarmon, Haynesworth, and Daniels as ends.

We need picks, and when you're coming off back to back last place finishes, you use what you got to get what you want.

And we want picks.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 9, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

We need mid round picks, and if a 3rd could be had for a guy who got 11 sacks, take it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 9, 2010 8:00 AM | Report abuse


I'd keep Rocky Mac and move Carter. Detroit has a good young left end in Jason Humter. If Detroit takes McCoy in the draft then they could have Jason Hunter, Gerald McCoy, Corey Williams, and Dwayne White. Adding Andre Carter to that would really boost their front 4. They would become formiddable. I know, it's scary isn't it?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 9, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

andre carter is about as athletic as frankenstein or the mummy...

Posted by: boricuabopper | March 9, 2010 8:17 AM |

Add this person to the list of people that just make sh!t up without any research whatsoever. Have you ever seen him? Are you mildly retarded? He's a freak of nature and a workout fiend. In stinctive he may not be but athletic he most certainly is.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 9, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

"Nobody will give up a pick for a 31 year old DE, no matter how many sacks he had last year. Especially since the entire world knows we're switching D's and he's the odd man out."


You have a point.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 9, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Everyone who says TRADE HIM is foolish...

Nobody will give up a pick for a 31 year old DE, no matter how many sacks he had last year. Especially since the entire world knows we're switching D's and he's the odd man out.

Posted by: rich20ssu | March 9, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Double-digit sack guys don't grow on trees. Although he's 31, he hasn't had any major injuries that I know of and keeps himself in top condition. He should have a few good years left in him and would be worth some kind of pick to a team in need of a pass rusher.

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 9, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Richard Seymour.30 years old....traded last year for a 1st....just sayin..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 9, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Everyone who says TRADE HIM is foolish...

Nobody will give up a pick for a 31 year old DE, no matter how many sacks he had last year. Especially since the entire world knows we're switching D's and he's the odd man out.

Posted by: rich20ssu | March 9, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Double-digit sack guys don't grow on trees. Although he's 31, he hasn't had any major injuries that I know of and keeps himself in top condition. He should have a few good years left in him and would be worth some kind of pick to a team in need of a pass rusher.


Posted by: rbpalmer | March 9, 2010 8:42 AM |

Looks like evryone is getting 3 year deals this year too. He ain't a running back so a 3 year deal for a 31 year old DE in top physical shape isn't a stretch for a 3rd or 4th round pick.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 9, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Didn't a certain 30-year-old DE just sign a deal for $91M? Not that Carter is as good as Peppers, but he had a great year last year, is a solid individual, and hasn't had any major injuries.

Posted by: BT23 | March 9, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Teams that run a 4-3 and could use a RDE:

Carolina Panthers
Detroit Lions
Jacksonville Jaguars
Tennessee Titans

I bet we could weasel a 4th or 5th rounder out of Tennessee or Carolina after the draft. We could also hang on to Carter until a team in a position to make some noise this year loses their pass rusher to injury. I don't buy for a minute that we can't get anything for Carter.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 9, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

I mean after reading this post it sounds like we are going to cut the man after he had 11 sacks.

Posted by: krichardson7777 |

Don't believe anything written by RMaese or JReid...they're both bullsh!tters and the worst reporters...Have anyone heard Shanahan or Hasslett actually say we are going to a 3-4?...everywhere i read it predicted by the same people who predicted we would be active in free agency...I don't know how people can say that Shanahan is a great coach and team leader and think he'll change the only thing thats been good about the skins the last few seasons..it doesn't make sense...4-3 will be our base D with an ocassional 3-4 mixed in...same as allways...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 9, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

My issue with the approach to our defense is that we seem to be causing more problems than are necessary. This is a good example: We have created a situation where a double-digit sack DE is now considered an "odd-man-out". Focus where you need to focus: OL. If you want to upgrade the D, draft or sign a play-making FS.

Posted by: BT23 | March 9, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Carter and Rocky McCintosh are two good players but seem best suited in a traditional 4-3. If you can upgrade great but if not they'll be servicable. I want to know want their intentions will be for young J Jarmon he seems to big for a drop back LB and to small to hold the edge as a DE, but has alot of potential and young.

Posted by: sthai75 | March 9, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

What I would really like to see is 99 and 92 just play. Learn the D and line up and play. It's football. You make tackles, you cover, you rush the passer. Get ready or don't.

I can see me now saying to my boss, hey you switched copiers, you know those reports you wanted... I just don't know if I can do them now. "You play to win the game"

Posted by: ChrisWoody | March 9, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Don't believe anything written by RMaese or JReid...they're both bullsh!tters and the worst reporters...Have anyone heard Shanahan or Hasslett actually say we are going to a 3-4?...everywhere i read it predicted by the same people who predicted we would be active in free agency...I don't know how people can say that Shanahan is a great coach and team leader and think he'll change the only thing thats been good about the skins the last few seasons..it doesn't make sense...4-3 will be our base D with an ocassional 3-4 mixed in...same as allways...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 9, 2010 8:56 AM |

What Shanahan has actually said was that we would use a 3-4 from a 4-3 front. Wierd and evasive but it basically means we could run a 3-4 or a 4-3 and more likely a mixture of both. I forget where the interview was that he said that but I'm positive I heard it right.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 9, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

This is from an article in the USA Today:

Mike Shanahan: Redskins want to bring back Jason Campbell
Updated 2/26/2010 11:44 PM | Comments 28 | Recommend 4


Using the 3-4 scheme isn't somewhere the Redskins have been, but it is the preferred defense of new coordinator Jim Haslett. Washington ranked among the top 10 defenses in five of six seasons under Gregg Williams (2004-07) and Greg Blache (2008-09). Shanahan said the Redskins will use both the 3-4 and the 4-3 which means that their defensive linemen will have to be especially versatile.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 9, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

teams that run a 4-3 effectively and could be potential trade partners for Carter, or Rocky...... Eagles and Giants, Saints, Colts, bengels, vikes. Yep there would be some teams interested but would they give up a 3rd rounder?

Posted by: sthai75 | March 9, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Everyone calm down. We are not switching to a 3-4 exclusively. Carter will have plenty of chances to rush the passer with his hand in the dirt.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 9, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan said the Redskins will use both the 3-4 and the 4-3 which means that their defensive linemen will have to be especially versatile.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 9, 2010 9:03 AM

scamp--

"Although Washington is expected to utilize several fronts and maintain some 4-3 principles, Haslett will implement a primarily 3-4 scheme that will be much more complex than what players have experienced the past two seasons."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jim-haslett/redskins-new-look-defense-will.html

Posted by: League-Source | March 9, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

you don't trade players within your division....thats just asking for bad juju...no way we'd trade AC to the Giants, nor the Eagles unless they offered us a 1st, or a 2nd...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 9, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

They could easily get a third rounder for Carter.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 9, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

teams that run a 4-3 effectively and could be potential trade partners for Carter, or Rocky...... Eagles and Giants, Saints, Colts, bengels, vikes. Yep there would be some teams interested but would they give up a 3rd rounder?

Posted by: sthai75 | March 9, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Trent Cole
Osi Umenyiora
Will Smith
Dwight Freeney
Antwaan Odom
Jared Allen

None of those teams would see Carter as an upgrade. I think the Titans and the Panthers may. The Titans just lost Vanden Bosch and the Panthers just lost Peppers. Those teams are in a position to make some noise this year so trying to fill some holes through trades is not out of the question. The Lions and Bucs could use him but by the time they are good again Carter will be ready to hang it up. We'd probably have to lower our asking price to maybe a 4th or 5th rounder.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 9, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

What Shanahan has actually said was that we would use a 3-4 from a 4-3 front. Wierd and evasive but it basically means we could run a 3-4 or a 4-3 and more likely a mixture of both. I forget where the interview was that he said that but I'm positive I heard it right.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 9, 2010 8:59 AM

Exactly. When we're in a 4-3 Carter is in there at RE. Maybe sometimes when they switch to a 3-4 he comes out and Golston or somebody comes in to play RE and a LB comes in and a DT comes out. Defenses now have to switch up their defenses constantly to confuse offenses. Haslett's brand of D will be very interesting to watch.

Reid just wants to stir things up, but in the process all he's done is show his ignorance.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 9, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Seems too many folks think there's only way to run a 3-4. Or assume that the skins are lying when they talk about running a hybrid defense.

Posted by: geotherm21 | March 9, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

"you have to wonder if there is some team out there (like the panthers) that would be interested in Carter."

Tennessee just lost Kyle Vanden Bosch.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 9, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

They could easily get a third rounder for Carter.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 9, 2010 9:09 AM

I don't think so. Not this year. Boldin plus a fifth round pick went for a third rounder and fourth rounder. Maybe you can get a third rounder in next year's draft (that was the price for Cromartie). Best bet is to trade Carter for a player.

Posted by: League-Source | March 9, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Look, I get on the "trade everyone" crowd as much as anyone so I'm obviously not going that route...all I'm saying is if the Redskins have two guys (Carter and Rocky Mac) that don't fit into their future plans, see what you can get for them. I'm not throwing out anything crazy like two 1st rounders...a 3rd round pick for two starting-caliber players is a helluva deal for Chicago or anyone else that runs a 4-3 and needs help at LB and DE. Plus the Skins get another pick, which they desperately need. It's a textbook win/win scenario.

Again...I'm fully aware it likely won't happen but if I'm Bruce Allen, I would at least shop those guys around.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 9, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

See LS, the difference between your JReid article and mine is yours says "are expected to" and mine says "Shanahan said." So until I hear otherwise I will believe what "Shanahan said," as opposed what JReid "expects."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 9, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

you don't trade players within your division....thats just asking for bad juju...no way we'd trade AC to the Giants, nor the Eagles unless they offered us a 1st, or a 2nd...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

and Michael Vick.

or Chris Canty.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 9, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

See LS, the difference between your JReid article and mine is yours says "are expected to" and mine says "Shanahan said." So until I hear otherwise I will believe what "Shanahan said," as opposed what JReid "expects."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 9, 2010 9:13 AM

Good. Now when you post what Shanahan says, not what you think you remember Shanahan says, then I'm on board.

Posted by: League-Source | March 9, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

"Haslett will implement a primarily 3-4 scheme that will be much more complex than what players have experienced the past two seasons."

Complex is a euphemism for deceptive. Haslett's defense, once it's up and running, will probably look more like Gregg Williams' when he was in Washington. Blache's opinion was that Grilliams' system was overcomplicated and required too much thinking. So he changed it. I think that's partly why they got fewer TOs -- weren't tricky enough.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 9, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

"Best bet is to trade Carter for a player."


From what I remember, the falcons had a nice, young tackle that backed up Sam Baker.

Trade Carter for that guy.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 9, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

AC playing time will end up less and will be in there primarily as a pass rusher. He is at his best when he's got one responsibility and that's go get the QB. And yes we all see what happens when we send players to NFC teams they win superbowls.

Posted by: sthai75 | March 9, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Lilja from the colts and incognito we need to pick up ASAP

Posted by: zjenks | March 9, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Mike Florio
March 9, 2010, 9:20
Despite having released a first ballot Hall of Fame player in Ladanian Tomlinson, AJ Smith, and the San Diego Chargers believe they have found an exact replica of LT in new running back Marcus Mason, whom they signed on Monday. Smith has been quoted as saying that he's had his eye on Mason and was hoping that no other team would claim him. Smith believes that Mason is as good as, if not better than what LT brought to the Chargers. "The sky is the limit with this guy, he's all world"

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 9, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Maybe we can trade him to San Diego for Marcus Mason.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 9, 2010 8:36 AM

Killing me!

Posted by: edvar | March 9, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Trent Cole
Osi Umenyiora
Will Smith
Dwight Freeney
Antwaan Odom
Jared Allen

None of those teams would see Carter as an upgrade. I think the Titans and the Panthers may. The Titans just lost Vanden Bosch and the Panthers just lost Peppers. Those teams are in a position to make some noise this year so trying to fill some holes through trades is not out of the question. The Lions and Bucs could use him but by the time they are good again Carter will be ready to hang it up. We'd probably have to lower our asking price to maybe a 4th or 5th rounder.


Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 9, 2010 9:10 AM |

Yea, didn't Osi get benched this past year? He's now a 2nd stringer.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 9, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

It also says mason is competing for the 4th spot on the depth chart...

Posted by: zjenks | March 9, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Mike Florio
March 9, 2010, 9:20
Despite having released a first ballot Hall of Fame player in Ladanian Tomlinson, AJ Smith, and the San Diego Chargers believe they have found an exact replica of LT in new running back Marcus Mason, whom they signed on Monday. Smith has been quoted as saying that he's had his eye on Mason and was hoping that no other team would claim him. Smith believes that Mason is as good as, if not better than what LT brought to the Chargers. "The sky is the limit with this guy, he's all world"

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 9, 2010 9:18 AM |

Once again, Beantown, posting at 9:18, beats Florio to the punch. Florio couldn't even get the story out until 9:20!

Posted by: League-Source | March 9, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Have anyone heard Shanahan or Hasslett actually say we are going to a 3-4?...everywhere i read it predicted by the same people who predicted we would be active in free agency...I don't know how people can say that Shanahan is a great coach and team leader and think he'll change the only thing thats been good about the skins the last few seasons..it doesn't make sense...4-3 will be our base D with an ocassional 3-4 mixed in...same as allways...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 9, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse
Especially if the draft goes:
1. Bradford
2. Okung
and we take either Suh or McCoy.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 9, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

See LS, the difference between your JReid article and mine is yours says "are expected to" and mine says "Shanahan said." So until I hear otherwise I will believe what "Shanahan said," as opposed what JReid "expects."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 9, 2010 9:13 AM

Good. Now when you post what Shanahan says, not what you think you remember Shanahan says, then I'm on board.

Posted by: League-Source | March 9, 2010 9:15 AM | Report

What I posted was from an actual article. Go back and read it again TE. First I said what I think I remember. Then I went and found the article where he actually said it to back up what I thought I remembered. Shouldn't be too complicated for a Wramblin' Wreck.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 9, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

If I'm trading Carter for another player I'd look to a team like the Jaguars who need pass rush help. Maybe Carter for John Henderson.

Posted by: TWISI | March 9, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Giants carry min #of DE's on there roster I think their philosophy is "you can have to many DE's."

Posted by: sthai75 | March 9, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

bamas gonna hate...


thought you never figured that SD would release LT and sign Marcus Mason, did ya?


MAR-CAS-MAY-SON!!!!

Posted by: RedDMV | March 9, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

scamp -- Did your research for you. This from Rick Maese:

There will be noticeable change on the defensive side, as well, but Shanahan stopped short of declaring the Redskins would change to a 3-4 defensive front, a major shift in philosophy that calls for three defensive linemen and four linebackers and would require several players to learn new roles.

"We've got the principles of a three-man front and a four-man front. I'm calling it the Washington Redskins' defense," Shanahan said. "We'll see at the end of the day where our players are and what they can do. We'll run the defense that gives us the best chance to win."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/26/AR2010022605604.html

Posted by: League-Source | March 9, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Carter for John Henderson.

Posted by: TWISI | March 9, 2010 9:24 AM

Good idea, though how about a OL instead.

Posted by: sthai75 | March 9, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Thanks LS but I already did the research. See prior post and article. You just reaffirmed my superior memory.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 9, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse


Maybe we can trade him to San Diego for Marcus Mason.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 9, 2010 8:36 AM

Killing me!


Posted by: edvar | March 9, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse


You're right. We'd probably have to throw in a 2nd rounder to get him.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 9, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Are you guys flippin' kidding? Andre Carter had 11 sacks last season and is as classy as guy as they come. The ultimate team player. Please...

Not to mention, it must be really SLOW out at Redskins Park if all the WaPo can write about is a story that has no legs. They are coming up with scenarios in order to write something.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 9, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Marcus Mason!??! Automatic, San Diego Superbowl contenders. Good for you CHASE!

Posted by: sthai75 | March 9, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

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Once again, Beantown, posting at 9:18, beats Florio to the punch. Florio couldn't even get the story out until 9:20!

Posted by: League-Source | March 9, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

ROFLMAO. I'm sure he tapping in to NSA.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 9, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Wow, PFT is really sleeping at the wheel...the Steelers re-signed Ryan Clark and got ARE for the 2nd time and they don't even have a one-liner on it. Florio needs to get his nose out of Peppers's contract and get his ass in gear...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 9, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

ls, sick of your assininity, puttin you on ignore from now on....sick of telling you how I copy and paste, then getting accused of applying artistic liberties....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 9, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Lilja from the colts and incognito we need to pick up ASAP

Posted by: zjenks | March 9, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

I wouldnt mind Lija. But Incognito is easily one of the dumbest players in the league. That dude can f up a game all by himself, pretty amazingly actually.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 9, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Incognito = Rasheed Wallace

Posted by: RedDMV | March 9, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

ls, sick of your assininity, puttin you on ignore from now on....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 9, 2010 9:35 AM

Huh? Moi? I pay you a flowery (or Florio) compliment and you see it as "assininity"? What's a guy gotta do to earn a warm, heartfelt BeantownGreg "thank you for noticing"?

Posted by: League-Source | March 9, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

ignore

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 9, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Science Magazine is reporting that a strange satelite has been discovered midway between Earth and NSA communication satelite. It was believed to be a Chinese spy satelite, but was discovered to have been launched from Cape Cod Missile launchpad. It is believed to be intercepting communications, and gaining a strategic few gigaseconds, possibly to gain an advantage in either the stock market or in NFL spyworks. NSA is currently conducting a massive search for the home station, believed to be located somewhere in New England. Stay tuned for more updates.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 9, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

brownwood--They had it up last night, about ten minutes after BeantownGreg stole their thunder here on RI:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/08/steelers-bring-back-randle-el-ryan-clark/

Posted by: League-Source | March 9, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Another former Redskins claimed by the Colts..JD Skolnitsky. I think it's only fair that the Skins sign Lija.

Posted by: TWISI | March 9, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Andre Carter may be the odd man out in Redskins' switch to 3-4 defense
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I booked this about 3 weeks ago,,,,,,

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 9, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Is this exactly a news flash? So, they can either play the guy in a position where he doesn't fit or trade him. I will enter once again my personal plea to trade him to the New York Giants for Clint Sinthim - a linebacker who fit perfectly in the 3-4.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 9, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Yeh, I'm not sure which way they'd go w/ Carter. It's not so much his aversion to 3-4 as if the DO play more of that, they've got younger studs in both the DE/LB and DE rolls.

More than anything I think it will come down to dollars w/ AC. Anyone throw any analysis on that?

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 9, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Regarding the newest REDSKIN. I went to some VIKES blogs and extracted one comment each positive and negative regarding ARTIS HICKS. Sure some of you could care what VIKES fans think of his departure and his play in purple, but there are those who read the NATIONAL ENQUIRER like myself and live by the motto, "Enquiring minds want to know." Here they are:

Hicks Loss Will Hurt:
"The biggest deal with losing Hicks is that he was a very decent back-up at four positions: LT, RT, LG, RG. The Vikes will have to use two roster spots to replace him because they won't be able to find anyone with the same versatility.
With Sapp a free agent, Griffin hurt, and Winfield going down hill fast after his injury the #1 priority in free agency/draft has to be CB. After that, the O-line needs re-enforcements as does the already thin LB corps with Henderson's return iffy."

Hicks:
"He wont be missed as much as you may think, hes a weakling in the run game. He cant push defenders back. He solid in the pass game but we need a pass & run specialist in the position. This is why he was released and allowed to test the market we need a starter in that position."

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 9, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Man, I just can't get Seed of Memory outta my head today... played it like 4 times already.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 9, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Are you guys flippin' kidding? Andre Carter had 11 sacks last season and is as classy as guy as they come. The ultimate team player. Please...

Not to mention, it must be really SLOW out at Redskins Park if all the WaPo can write about is a story that has no legs. They are coming up with scenarios in order to write something.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 9, 2010 9:30 AM
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Carter had those sacks last year playing beside blocker-eater Haynesworth. The year before he was just north of mediocre. He doesn't play the run all that well although I would admit he has gotten better at it in his tenure with the Redskins. He's not a 3-4 end nor is he comfortable as a 3-4 linebacker. His trade value right now might be artificially inflated by his sack total last year and he is on the down side of his career. I say trade him and don't look back.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 9, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Marcus Mason = Leigh Torrence

The Chargers are going to the Super Bowl. Book it.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 9, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Carter didn't commit right away, though, because he also had a trip scheduled to meet with another team: the Denver Broncos.

"I told Mike Shanahan and their owner that they could go to the Super Bowl, that they were close," Carter said, "but I belonged in Washington."

By Rick Maese | March 9, 2010; 7:22 AM ET

That's when Shanny was running the 4-3 Defense....

...Different Times now..

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 9, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Incognito = Rasheed Wallace

Posted by: RedDMV | March 9, 2010 9:38 AM

I'll take him....

Reclaimation project....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 9, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

If the redskins want to us a 4 man line in the nickel dime and an ocasional 4-3/4-4/4-6 look then I say keep Carter and have him be your rush end in those occasions.

If we are going pure 3-4 all game long or something close to that, ask carter if he is okay with the idea of bulking up to stay a DE, if not then we should do what we can to find a nice 4-3 AFC team to send him to.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 9, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Reclaimation project....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 9, 2010 10:02 AM

More like a Claimation project. He can't be reclaimed until he's claimed. That dude was never all there.

Posted by: League-Source | March 9, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

I can see Carter getting traded rather than cut....but it might be for 2011 draft picks...

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 9, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

L_S:

Are you going INCOGNITO on us?

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 9, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

More like a Claimation project. He can't be reclaimed until he's claimed. That dude was never all there.

Posted by: League-Source | March 9, 2010 10:04 AM

Well....we'll tell him we care about him as a person and we want to help him get his life together, such as......Run that game on him....Get him in the church or something...Or let him meet Dexter Manley and ask him does he want to look like this in 20 years?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 9, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

"Nobody will give up a pick for a 31 year old DE, no matter how many sacks he had last year. Especially since the entire world knows we're switching D's and he's the odd man out."

You mean like when the Redskins gave up 2nd and 6th round picks for Jason Taylor, or when the Raiders gave up a 2011 first round pick for Richard Seymour, or when the Chiefs acquired Mike Vrabel in a packaged deal with Matt Cassel?

Posted by: psps23 | March 9, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

That's a plan, 4th. Book it!

Posted by: League-Source | March 9, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

no body wants carter for nothing good they kno he was playing beside hanyesworth last year lokk at sack total before last year.I would like to trade him too if we could, OTs just lesn on him in the run game

Posted by: ccrum87 | March 9, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

no body wants carter for nothing good they kno he was playing beside hanyesworth last year lokk at sack total before last year.I would like to trade him too if we could, OTs just lean on him in the run game

Posted by: ccrum87 | March 9, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Nobody will give up a pick for a 31 year old DE, no matter how many sacks he had last year. Especially since the entire world knows we're switching D's and he's the odd man out.

Posted by: rich20ssu | March 9, 2010 8:33 AM

2008 HEADLINE: Skins give up a second-round pick in 2009 and sixth-round pick in 2010 for 33 year old DE Jason Tayor!

Posted by: Alan4 | March 9, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Does this post come with sub-titles?:

(INSERT Buckwheat/Flava Flav-style voice over)

"...no body wants carter for nothing good they kno he was playing beside hanyesworth last year lokk at sack total before last year.I would like to trade him too if we could, OTs just lesn on him in the run game.."

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 9, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

"Nobody will give up a pick for a 31 year old DE, no matter how many sacks he had last year. Especially since the entire world knows we're switching D's and he's the odd man out."

You mean like when the Redskins gave up 2nd and 6th round picks for Jason Taylor, or when the Raiders gave up a 2011 first round pick for Richard Seymour, or when the Chiefs acquired Mike Vrabel in a packaged deal with Matt Cassel?

Posted by: psps23 | March 9, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, like that. Damn psps23. You sure know how to take the air out of a good position.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 9, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

No team wants Carter for nothing good they know he was playing beside Hanyesworth last year look at sack total before last year.I would like to trade him too if we could, OTs just lean on him in the run game

Posted by: ccrum87 | March 9, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

bad enough we had to read what ccrum wrote, but then he goes and posts it twice...ugh....tri spel chek nex tym,oar at lees try en mayk sens...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 9, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

2008 HEADLINE: Skins give up a second-round pick in 2009 and sixth-round pick in 2010 for 33 year old DE Jason Tayor!

Posted by: Alan4 | March 9, 2010 10:16 AM
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What team is Vinnie C. the GM of these days? Let's call 'em up!
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 9, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

We can get something for Carter but its not going to be a lot. How much of a future does he have with us vs. how much money does he want. Personally I dont see him around two years from now anyways so imo get anything you can for him right now. Sucks the only owner dumb enough to overpay for guys like this is our owner...wait someone call crazy AL.
With that said I also dont see us employing a full time 3-4, its going to have to be more of a hybrid unless we do a pretty good overhaul by bringing in a lot of key position players for the 3-4. If we use more of a hybrid4-3 with 3-4 elements then A Carter will still have a place on this team.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 9, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

2008 HEADLINE: Skins give up a second-round pick in 2009 and sixth-round pick in 2010 for 33 year old DE Jason Tayor!

Posted by: Alan4 | March 9, 2010 10:16 AM


WTF!!

Posted by: sthai75 | March 9, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Awesome Moe!

Posted by: Stu27 | March 9, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

bad enough we had to read what ccrum wrote, but then he goes and posts it twice...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 9, 2010 10:19 AM

This is like trying to keep up with you and Florio. First you post it up here and then, five minutes later, Florio posts the exact same thing on PFT. You've taken all the excitement out of PFT.

Posted by: League-Source | March 9, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

bad enough we had to read what ccrum wrote, but then he goes and posts it twice...ugh....tri spel chek nex tym,oar at lees try en mayk sens...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 9, 2010 10:19 AM
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Back off, Bean. We need guys like ccrum to post so the rest of us look like geniuses. I mean, I know I look like a genius. Right? Right? Hey, where are you going...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 9, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Wait a minute, claimation? When did Gumby enter the picture? And what was his 40 time at the combine?

Posted by: MrDumberton | March 9, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I heah yah ccrum. I heah yah.

Posted by: sthai75 | March 9, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 9, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

PS -- I note that of your 3 examples...

Redskins trade for J. Taylor: the team was in extremis having lost 2xDE in training camp, and delusional in that Vinnie believed they had championship-caliber talent.

Raiders trade for R. Seymour: Al Davis has dementia.

Chiefs acquire M. Vrabel: I am not convinced that Todd Haley knows what the hell is going on out there.

That said, I think the Redskins may be able to trade AC for a 3rd round or higher pick. Unlikely that they can move him before the draft, though. Probably in training camp, especially if it looks like he'll have reduced playing time. He could still do a lot for the Redskins, but the issue is could they get more in trade than he's worth to the team. If they're changing defenses, then that answer could be yes.

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 9, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Something has to give.

The team has 're-classified' Carter, Alexander, Wilson, Jarmon, etc. as potential linebackers in the 3-4.

I don't see it.

Alexander is 6'1 and 275. He's a lot closer to gaining 15-20 pounds and being a nose tackle than losing 10 pounds and being an outside linebacker.

Carter is simply not a good fit for the position by his own admission.

Jarmon is 6'3 and 277. Again, he's 22 years old and would seem to be a guy that would gain 10 pounds and be a DE at 285-290 in the 3-4, rather than a linebacker.

I sure hope this team signs Larry Foote, and has on its roster at least ONE linebacker familiar with this alignment.

Posted by: leopard09 | March 9, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Why is Jason Campbell not with another team already? I mean half the teams in the league need a starting QB, and all it would take is a first round pick. What's the problem?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | March 9, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Moe, that post was O-Tey.

Oy vey!

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 9, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Nice writing. I like the twist! at the end.

Posted by: 4skinz | March 9, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Incognito = Rasheed Wallace

Posted by: RedDMV | March 9, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Except Incognito isn't half the player that 'Sheed is. If he was as good, I'd sign him, dumb, undisciplined plays and all.

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 9, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

"I told Mike Shanahan and their owner that they could go to the Super Bowl, that they were close," Carter said, "but I belonged in Washington."

By Rick Maese | March 9, 2010; 7:22 AM ET


Translation: "Redskins gonna pay me twice what you sukkas talking about."

Posted by: League-Source | March 9, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Why is Jason Campbell not with another team already? I mean half the teams in the league need a starting QB, and all it would take is a first round pick. What's the problem?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | March 9, 2010 10:33 AM |

Great question! I don't think we've debated Jason Campbell's merits and shortcomings enough on this blog yet...

Posted by: Alan4 | March 9, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

btw, thot this was funny... and cool

http://www.nfl2010game.com/?request=pre-home&country=us

whodat in the middle?

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 9, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

I remember being all excited for Taylor...
bummer

Posted by: alex35332 | March 9, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

.... oh, it cycles players...

...well.. that's our man up there somewhere... even if I did want to trade him in '07

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 9, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

anyone catch the bears/packers game on NFL Network last night, with none other than JZ at the helm for the pack...funny stuff...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 9, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

anyone catch the bears/packers game on NFL Network last night, with none other than JZ at the helm for the pack...funny stuff...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 9, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

And people said Spring Football was not needed...

Posted by: alex35332 | March 9, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 9, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

I think Alexander or Jarmon might be pretty good ILB in a 3/4. I seem to remember some guy in PIT by the name of Kirkland...

Neither is big enough to play NT, IMO. Starters there are 325+. If anything, Alexander and Jarmon are about the right size for DE in a 3-4.

It would be interesting to see what happens if Alexander lost 25#. He seems to have reasonable quickness, and was doing OK last year running down a RB until he pulled that hammie.

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 9, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Back off, Bean. We need guys like ccrum to post so the rest of us look like geniuses. I mean, I know I look like a genius. Right? Right? Hey, where are you going...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 9, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

As the previous holder of the "most typos per sentence" award, I completely agree.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 9, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

"That said, I think the Redskins may be able to trade AC for a 3rd round or higher pick. Unlikely that they can move him before the draft, though. Probably in training camp, especially if it looks like he'll have reduced playing time. He could still do a lot for the Redskins, but the issue is could they get more in trade than he's worth to the team. If they're changing defenses, then that answer could be yes.

Posted by: dpc2003"

I agree.

I also agree with an earlier poster that thinks it's more probable he gets traded (or at least has value to get traded) straight up for another player. Normally trades are avoided in the NFL because of the cap hit that occurs, but now that that is gone, I think you'll see a little more movement between teams.

A disgruntled or underutilized player somewhere else for Andre Carter? I could see it happening.

Posted by: psps23 | March 9, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

I was excited for JayTay's potential, he sure turned out to be a dud, tho. That dancin' injury was pretty severe over all, I guess. Lesson: trust Dolphins med staff, not Redskins med staff.

I think Campbell's status shows what the league thinks of him (at least the scouts/GMs). I would definitely prefer a first round pick to him. Given the previous discussion on how the tender could be used, we may value him even lower than that.

Not much debate there, I don't think.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 9, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

What? Cutler visiting Redskins Park today?

Didnt he get picked by Shanny in the 1st round of 2006 at # 11 overall, and make the ProBowl in 2008?
Did Denver get the Skins 2006 1st round pick to get Jason Campbell in 2005?
Ironical..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM

Coulda been number 11 overall. Made the ProBowl, but that doesn't mean much if your the 16th rated QB playing with very good receivers behind a top rate OL. Cutler was never that great.

I've never traced the Denver picks from the Campbell trade to see who they turned into.

I do know that I would never had made that trade, it was too much to give up.

If Gibbs had wanted a QB that much, Gibbs probably could have moved up a bit further with the same offer and grabbed Aaron Rodgers, who was being considered for #1 overall. Rodgers was picked in the spot before Campbell.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 9, 2010 1:27 AM
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zcezcest1, I was kidding about the Redskins Park visit. It was in response to all the previous chatter about Cutler. However, the Bears did fire the architect of the Cutler deal.. So, the sacrificial jesture is complete if Cutler is moved again (anywhere).

ref the 3 2006 picks from the Skins..
I think the 4th round pick JC Pick became Brandon Marshall?? anyone know??
Not sure what Denver got for that 3rd Round pick the Skins also gave up?

wtf, water under the bridge.. but I hope Shanny shows the same personnel accumen for us, in 2010. Unfortunately, he now works for the only owner (Al Davis notwithstanding) that would make those deals...

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 9, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

So? Make him a down lineman, they still have two of those in this scheme don't they? Can't be that hard!

Posted by: ronjaboy | March 9, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

3round pick and a bag of Pork Rinds for Carter!... Carter and Orakbo benefited from frequent double and triple teaming of Hainsworth! Stop acting like the Skins D was like that last year. There is a reason they were 4 and 12 and 0 and 6 in the NFC East( hot 100% offense ) And to Think, people were actually talking about Carter and Orakbo in the same breath as some of the best pass rushing D-ends in the league! Plain and simple, " you are what your record is " 4 and 12!

Posted by: rlomax67 | March 9, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

PS -- I note that of your 3 examples...

Redskins trade for J. Taylor: the team was in extremis having lost 2xDE in training camp, and delusional in that Vinnie believed they had championship-caliber talent.

Raiders trade for R. Seymour: Al Davis has dementia.

Chiefs acquire M. Vrabel: I am not convinced that Todd Haley knows what the hell is going on out there.

That said, I think the Redskins may be able to trade AC for a 3rd round or higher pick. Unlikely that they can move him before the draft, though. Probably in training camp, especially if it looks like he'll have reduced playing time. He could still do a lot for the Redskins, but the issue is could they get more in trade than he's worth to the team. If they're changing defenses, then that answer could be yes.

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All very good examples, but I think everyone is still slightly delusional when they think someone will actually trade a 3rd round pick (or any pick for that matter) for a guy who is 31 and has been labeled as being the "odd man out".

More more example that I think fits a bit better: Greg Ellis. He's, roughly, the same age as Carter, and offers a similar set of skills. Dallas tried dangling him out there for trade bait, but nobody bit; everyone knew Dallas wanted to go younger and was tagged as being the "odd man out". He was eventually cut and picked up by Oakland...

Posted by: arizona4 | March 9, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Who cares what Carter thinks? Play and shut your cake hole or don't get paid. Man up Nancy.

Posted by: KDSmallJr | March 9, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

If any nfl team would immediately hire that legendary GM v. cerrato he would certainly give washington a 1st or 2nd round pick for carter and a player to be named.

Posted by: wathu19 | March 9, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

andre carter is about as athletic as frankenstein or the mummy...

Posted by: boricuabopper | March 9, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse
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I dont really get the trash talk about the dude. He's came here been a professional and done what has been asked of him. I do believe two years ago he had 11 sacks minus Fat Boy 92 in 07 and 12 the year before SF switched to the 3/4 so rlomax67 your comment makes zero sense.

This boricuabopper dude must have no idea who Andre Carter is. The guy is an athletic freak! You people are starting to sound like Eagles fans.

Posted by: AnthonyMix | March 9, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Carter has trade value, but it's more likely for a disgruntled player elsewhere. If the Redskins keep him here and use a 3-4, he'll be a situation pass rusher in obvious passing downs. He's simply too small to be a DE and not agile enough to switch to playing OLB with the coverage responsibilities. His best position is as a DE in a 4-3. I think Carter is keeping his mouth shut until the rest of the chips falls during FA.

No point in rocking the boat when you have enough unhappy campers like McIntosh and Rogers who are also looking to play elsewhere.

Posted by: wizfan89 | March 9, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyet, if I can get a 3rd rounder for Carter, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Posted by: thecomedian1 | March 9, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Ahhh.. that would be 4 sacks and 10.5 in previous years and 6 his first year. He's not even top 10 DE in the NFL for the salary he's being paid! Do more with less.. cut your losses! Wake up, reality states at 4 and 12... Do your research. Ask yourself how many sacks against winning teams over 500? exactly!

Posted by: rlomax67 | March 9, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, Andre Carter doesn't have the same cache' as Seymour or Jason Taylor.

Posted by: thecomedian1 | March 9, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

They'll use him as an end in some 3-4 packages. Also, it seems clear to me that we aren't going to be running a base 3-4 all the time, at least not at first. The coaches have basically said this but the Post ignores it.

Posted by: lordtwang | March 9, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

People really need to quit w/the whole "You're a football player, just play where the coach tells you to" argument. I coach youth football and even at that level I have often needed to change the defensive scheme I teach, once I saw what type of players I had.

Good coaches can adjust their scheme to the players rather than try to ship everyone out and start from scratch. While I have every faith in Shanahan on offense, the jury is still out on his attempts to influence his team's defensive strategy.

I've had questions all along about how wise it would be to play a traditional 3-4 w/this group, but I still take Hazlett at his word that the defense will be more of a hybrid with principles from both 4-3 and 3-4 as well as players used in various alignments.

And the 3-4 does not automatically mean the pressure on the QB will improve. Just look at how Aaron Kampman went from a consistent year-in-year-out double-digit sack master to a fish out of water last year in Green Bay.

A dramatic change on defense would just remind me of the debacle that has been the Skins' offense as stategies changed through:
Norv-to-Marty-to-Spurier-to-Gibbs-to-Zorn.

Please don't do THAT on defense.

Posted by: SportzWiz | March 9, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

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