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Posted at 3:53 PM ET, 03/ 7/2011

Baylor's Phil Taylor attracts Redskins' interest

By Mike Jones

Update: March 8: Redskins spokesman Tony Wyllie said today that team owner Daniel Snyder did not attend the Redskins' interview with Phil Taylor.

Original Post:
The Washington Redskins were among 23 teams with scouts at Baylor University's Pro Day, which featured defensive tackle Phil Taylor last Thursday, according to Taylor's agent Peter Schaffer.

With the failure of the Albert Haynesworth-nose tackle experiment, and Ma'ake Kemoeatu coming off shoulder surgery, the Redskins are in the market for a nose tackle to anchor the line of their 3-4 defense. And Taylor, a Clinton, Md., native, is improving his stock as draft evaluations continue.

In post-Senior Bowl draft projections in January, Taylor was considered a mid- to early second round draft choice. Now draft analysts believe that he could be taken late in the first round.

At the combine, the 6-foot-3, 334-pound Taylor ran the 40-yard dash in 5.09 seconds, bench pressed 225 pounds 31 times, and recorded a vertical leap of 29-1/2 inches and a broad jump of 8 feet, 4 inches. Also at the combine, Taylor had a group interview with Redskins officials including coach Mike Shanahan, defensive coordinator Jim Haslett, owner Daniel Snyder and general manager Bruce Allen, according Schaffer.

NFL teams love the size, strength and quickness Taylor has to offer, and he appears to be an ideal fit in the 3-4. There are questions about his work ethic, however, and one criticism about him is that he appeared to take some plays off at times.

But even if the Redskins decide they want Taylor, they might not have a chance to get him. In the first round, Washington picks 10th, which appears to be too high to take Taylor. Washington is on the clock again nine picks into the second round (41st overall), which could be too late if projections of Taylor as a first round pick are accurate.

By Mike Jones  | March 7, 2011; 3:53 PM ET
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Absolutely no to an NT at # 10! At that level, goota go with front 7, CB, QB, or WR.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | March 7, 2011 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Great. Snyder is participating in interviews.

I thought that the adults were in charge nowadays.

Posted by: zornskins2 | March 7, 2011 4:06 PM | Report abuse

gotta

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | March 7, 2011 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Obviously trading down to a mid/late first and getting this guy would be ideal. Especially if if nets a 3 and 4 or am extra 2.

The only thing that makes me skeptical is that we are showing such overt interest. I have seen Shanahan run too many drafts where he openly courts guys he does not want, and drafts players he never speaks to.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 7, 2011 4:08 PM | Report abuse

He won't get past KC. I think we need to start looking at the second tier NTs like Stephen Paea and Jerrell Powe.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 7, 2011 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Failure of Haynesworth and shoulder surgery for Kemoeatu? At this point, its fair to say failure for Kemoeatu as well.

Also, we need a replacement on the roster that is in some way associated with the word "Clinton."

"Work ethic" issues, however, suggests once bitten is not yet twice shy.

Posted by: dcsween | March 7, 2011 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Great. Snyder is participating in interviews.

Posted by: zornskins2 | March 7, 2011 4:06 PM

Only thing worse than Snyder interviewing would be hessone interviewing. This is really discouraging.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 7, 2011 4:10 PM | Report abuse

The "no dividend" part is not unheard of. That's the model of a not-for-profit corporation; just plow the revenues back into the corporation. NFP does not necessarily mean tax exempt. [That last part is more complicated and requires a charitable purpose ... which football is not and never shall be.] There are arrangements short of NFP that have shareholders holding the equity (and often have to approve issuance of debt).

There are smartier pants than I am up here who can say this is all wrong, which is fine, such as

Posted by: dcsween | March 7, 2011 4:01 PM |

Not even close.

All profits are invested back into the team. As such, Green Bay's board of directors is mostly motivated to: (a) remain solvent; (b) field a competitive team. They're not driven to make money for the sake of making more money, and as such, far less likely to risk a short-term, franchise- and community-wide financial hit -- via a no-games, no-revenue lockout that could cost the league an estimated $1 billion or more -- for the sake of surplus cash in ownership's coffers down the road.

Like I said, the dividends lie in the way the GBP's stock was sold and the franchise chartered. It centers all around the team not being able to hold it's fans/taxpayers hostage or threatening to leave for new shiny stadiums or lucrative tax deals for them to come.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 7, 2011 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Takes plays off? Perfect!

Posted by: PlayAction | March 7, 2011 4:10 PM | Report abuse

"... There are questions about his work ethic, however, and one criticism about him is that he appeared to take some plays off at times. ..."

There will be blood peed before the reasons for this happening again can be attributed to insufficient conditioning.

Posted by: dcsween | March 7, 2011 4:11 PM | Report abuse

This means we're not drafting him, unless it's in the 2nd. Fine by me.

Draft Mallett at 10.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 7, 2011 4:14 PM | Report abuse

LOL it wasn't worth 30 bil when they settled. Nobody knew -- least of all Zuckerberg -- how big it would grow.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 7, 2011 3:40 PM |

Maybe not $30 billion at the time but it was very valuable. What they did was kind of a neat trick. They found some rich venture capitalist to pay them (the Winks) off to go away and offered the venture a X% share of the company in place of the Y% share of the company that was being bought out. Here X = .2Y. As a result they ended up with a larger part of the ownership pie and a better partner. It worked because the Winks were doofus jocks who had no idea what was going on.

Posted by: EncinoMan | March 7, 2011 4:14 PM | Report abuse

" ... Also at the combine, Taylor had a group interview with Redskins officials including coach Mike Shanahan, defensive coordinator Jim Haslett, owner Daniel Snyder and general manager Bruce Allen, according Schaffer. ..."

This sounds like "Insider" information. I love everything about this news, with the exception of the identity of one of the four interviewers.

Posted by: dcsween | March 7, 2011 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Takes plays off? Perfect!

Posted by: PlayAction | March 7, 2011 4:10 PM | Report abuse

But does he have the athletic ability to take a nap while Mike Vick scrambles around him?

That's the true test of an athlete.

Not sure why they don't record nap times at the combine.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 7, 2011 4:16 PM | Report abuse

" ... and offered the venture a X% share of the company in place of the Y% share of the company that was being bought out. Here X = .2Y. ..."

Posted by: EncinoMan | March 7, 2011 4:14 PM

X=.2?!?!?! Which part of "Math Free Monday" don't you understand?

Posted by: dcsween | March 7, 2011 4:17 PM | Report abuse

We desperately need an upgrade at NT. Bryant looked promising but we need someone else and Taylor would be a good fit.

Unfortunately a lock of mocks show him going before our second pick.


Also, may have been posted anywhere but I just found this about Otogwe's guaranteed money:


"Atogwe gets $12 million guaranteed
O.J. Atogwe's new five-year, $26 million contract with the Redskins includes roughly $12 million guaranteed.For comparison, Antoine Bethea's four-year deal signed last June contained $18 million in the first two years. Eric Berry got $34 million guaranteed as the No. 5 overall pick last April. Brian Dawkins received $7.2 million guaranteed as a 36-year-old, Earl Thomas $12.32 million guaranteed on his rookie deal, and Antrel Rolle $15 million in 2011 free agency. We're not used to saying it, but it looks like the Skins did pretty well here. "

Mar 4, 11:57 AM
Source: St. Louis Post-Dispatch"

www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3283/player?r=1

I'd love to know exactly how the deal is structured but it looks as though we might actually have a professional running the front office.

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | March 7, 2011 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I am getting sick and tired of the term "Takes plays off".

How in the f*ck does a NT take any plays off and not get flattened? Can someone please explain to me how a guy who experiences contact on EVERY PLAY can take a play off rather than conserving a little energy - more like a strategic effort during the course of a game?

Saying someone takes a play off suggests that a player is doing a Randy Moss, or pouting, or loafing, or quitting.

I guess every 300+lb. line player needs to expend 100% of his available energy on every single play.

Yep, that's realistic. I guess Mohamed Ali doing the "rope-a-dope" was actually "taking rounds off".

Jesus, am I speakin' Chinese?

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 7, 2011 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Not sure why they don't record nap times at the combine.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 7, 2011 4:16 PM

Yeah, and some way to gauge a kickers tripping skills would help too.

I hope you are working on some material for Haiku Tuesday.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 7, 2011 4:21 PM | Report abuse

This means we're not drafting him, unless it's in the 2nd. Fine by me.

Draft Mallett at 10.

Posted by: iH8dallas

Problem with Mallett is his lack of mobility..He'll be Mauled Mallett Flambe' until the O-line gets upgraded, particularly at center..

Some one of these diamond defenders is going to drop to us..

Posted by: frak | March 7, 2011 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Not sure why they don't record nap times at the combine.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 7, 2011 4:16 PM |

Vick could have done another 2 years in Leavenworth AND scored before Haney got his dick out of the mud.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 7, 2011 4:23 PM | Report abuse

because the Winks were doofus jocks who had no idea what was going on.

Posted by: EncinoMan | March 7, 2011 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Winklevae.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 7, 2011 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Someone remind me tommorow to tell the stor of the time I, through my CPA Firm I worked with at the time, audited the books of the Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service (FMCS). Yes, that FMCS. The federal agency that is helping the mediation process between the players and owners.

F it...it will be quick....my boss told me to do exactly what was done last year and do not question anybody on anything. Otherwise, don't do my job! My very first audit out of college with no help. And I am being told to do it the wrong way....Welcome to the Real World!

Needless to say the received a clean opinion.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 7, 2011 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely no to an NT at # 10! At that level, goota go with front 7, CB, QB, or WR.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | March 7, 2011 4:05 PM | Report abuse

The NT is part of the front 7.

Anywho, I'm fine taking a beastly pass-rushing OLB at #10, and then grabbing Paea in the 2nd. He seems like he could switch from DE to NT and split time with Bryant.

If Cam is there at #10, then I'm hoping we can trade down in the first and pick up Taylor a little later along with a couple of other picks.

Posted by: p1funk | March 7, 2011 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted at 3:53 PM ET, 03/ 7/2011
Baylor's Phil Taylor attracts Redskins' interest
By Mike Jones

There's a football website called Wally World that projects the Skins taking Julio Jones with their #10. I was kind of surprised when I read that. Wally claims that the Skins have a 40-yd-time jones which is what led them to choose Williams over Okung last year even though Okung was a better prospect and since Jones ran a great 40 at the Combine for a big man and his name is jones ... It's an interesting website. Wally built it himself from scratch and it gets mentioned in mock draft discussions along with the usual big media suspects.

Posted by: EncinoMan | March 7, 2011 4:33 PM | Report abuse

... Can someone please explain to me how a guy who experiences contact on EVERY PLAY can take a play off rather than conserving a little energy ...

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 7, 2011 4:21 PM

The best example is the one of Hayneworth laying on the ground while the play is still going on (stopping before the whistle) ... Carter actually had to run around him to seal off the back side. Technically, Hayneworth covered his "responsibility" b/c nothing could happen up the middle and the interior linemen were occupied. But if he's not playing till the whistle, its taking plays off.

Can someone link that? Roll the film.

Posted by: dcsween | March 7, 2011 4:33 PM | Report abuse

The NT is part of the front 7.

Anywho, I'm fine taking a beastly pass-rushing OLB at #10, and then grabbing Paea in the 2nd. He seems like he could switch from DE to NT and split time with Bryant.

If Cam is there at #10, then I'm hoping we can trade down in the first and pick up Taylor a little later along with a couple of other picks.

Posted by: p1funk | March 7, 2011 4:32 PM |

I co-sign the living sh*t out of that post!

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 7, 2011 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Needless to say the received a clean opinion.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 7, 2011 4:32 PM

Andy Dalton? Seriously? Based on the Parcells' criteria alone?

Posted by: dcsween | March 7, 2011 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Can someone link that? Roll the film.

Posted by: dcsween | March 7, 2011 4:33 PM |

My point was clear. I was referring to players who, in an effort to conserve energy, won't kill themselves on EVERY single play.

I wasn't talking about Shamesworth, he took the rest of his career off after cashing his 21-mil check.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 7, 2011 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Hey remember when Vick was out of jail and we just had Captain check down JC, and choose not to give Vick a shot?

Posted by: Joker99z | March 7, 2011 4:37 PM | Report abuse

"Absolutely no to an NT at # 10! At that level, goota go with front 7, CB, QB, or WR."

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | March 7, 2011 4:05 PM

Oog, last time I checked, nose tackle was a part of the front seven. From what I've been reading, though, there does NOT appear to be a NT in this draft who deserves to go as high as 10. As many needs as this team has, there's bound to be somebody who fills a need at 10 who deserves to go that high, so we shouldn't be reaching for a NT or a QB or any other position.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | March 7, 2011 4:37 PM | Report abuse

But if he's not playing till the whistle, its taking plays off.

Posted by: dcsween | March 7, 2011 4:33 PM | Report abuse
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For $21 mil, you better play to the whistle, through the whistle, and into the expensive seats.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 7, 2011 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely no to an NT at # 10!

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | March 7, 2011 4:05 PM

Nothing says they use the #10 pick. For the guys in the first round, they need to stay nimble and know what everybody else knows, esp. the guys pegged to get picked before #10 (in case someone "falls" to them) and then everyone down below that in the event they DO find a partner willing to swap picks and trade up.

They get a limited number of interviews at the Park (or, at least they did under the old CBA) so most of the "getting to know you, getting to feel good about you" interviews happen at the Pro Days.

Plus, there is the whole "throw them off the scent" trickery need. Shanahan drafted Cutler without interviewing him and juked everyone.

Posted by: dcsween | March 7, 2011 4:41 PM | Report abuse

With the failure of the Albert Haynesworth-nose tackle experiment, and Ma'ake Kemoeatu coming off shoulder surgery, ...

Kemo = big tub of guts

Posted by: EncinoMan | March 7, 2011 4:41 PM | Report abuse

This means we're not drafting him, unless it's in the 2nd. Fine by me.

Draft Mallett at 10.

Posted by: iH8dallas

Problem with Mallett is his lack of mobility..He'll be Mauled Mallett Flambe' until the O-line gets upgraded, particularly at center..

Some one of these diamond defenders is going to drop to us..

Posted by: frak | March 7, 2011 4:22 PM | Report abuse

A QB with jets isn't always a good thing.

Look how Vick got crushed last year against the Skins when he took off.

If you're quick with the throws then it shouldn't be a big deal.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 7, 2011 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Taylor had a group interview with Redskins officials including coach Mike Shanahan, defensive coordinator Jim Haslett, owner Daniel Snyder and general manager Bruce Allen, according Schaffer.


Shanahan: "Son, I don't like when players take plays off. You'll have to work very hard to achieve a proper level of cardiovascular fitness"

Haslett: "Phil, as you know we're running the 3-4 defense. Tell us how you feel about that and what you can contribute."

Allen: "Here's my business card. Tell your agent to call me if you think you'd like to play for us."

Snyder: "Son, I'm one rich motherfuker. I'm the youngest one here, and these guys have to call me Mr. Snyder. Sign with us, and I'll make you a rich motherfuker too!"

Posted by: Alan4 | March 7, 2011 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Look how Vick got crushed last year against the Skins when he took off.

If you're quick with the throws then it shouldn't be a big deal.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 7, 2011 4:41 PM |

Also helps if you're over 6 feet tall - which Vick is not. I don't care what he's listed at, in the second Skins/Iggles game, Vick was taken down by 'Fletch by the sideline and when they were walking back onto the field, they were damn near the exact same height.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 7, 2011 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Also helps if you're over 6 feet tall - which Vick is not. I don't care what he's listed at, in the second Skins/Iggles game, Vick was taken down by 'Fletch by the sideline and when they were walking back onto the field, they were damn near the exact same height.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 7, 2011 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Dude is 6'6" tall. He can see the entire field, which can help a QB.

I'm not worried about his mobility.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 7, 2011 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Hey remember when Vick was out of jail and we just had Captain check down JC, and choose not to give Vick a shot?

Posted by: Joker99z | March 7, 2011 4:37 PM | Report abuse
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You mean the same year Cerrato said a 4-12 team was a playoff team and playcalling was so easy a Bingo Caller could do it?

I will be ever grateful to Zorn for finally taking that slick f*$#er out of town.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 7, 2011 4:50 PM | Report abuse

"Also at the combine, Taylor had a group interview with Redskins officials including coach Mike Shanahan, defensive coordinator Jim Haslett, owner Daniel Snyder and general manager Bruce Allen, according Schaffer."

Dan is involved and wants to make sure he can establish rapport with the stars before he signs.

Posted by: Pepper5 | March 7, 2011 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Also helps if you're over 6 feet tall - which Vick is not.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 7, 2011 4:44 PM |

Reid was dumbstruck by Vick's emergence last year. He was happy to see him do good but he also knows it is very difficult if impossible to win over the long haul with a QB who is under 6', likes to scramble, and isn't made of steel. His solution to the problem is to franchise tag Vick and hope that something happens during 2011 (if there is a 2011) that allows Kolb to re-emerge.

Posted by: EncinoMan | March 7, 2011 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | March 7, 2011 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Any QB is going to be nit-picked by you guys.

"He's not mobile enough."

"He's not accurate enough."

"He has a noodle-arm."

Look...There is not a QB out there that has the accuracy of Drew Brees, runs faster than DG28, throws the ball a mile and has never touched pot.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 7, 2011 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Snyder wants to meet these guys to make sure they are not turds like AH.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 7, 2011 4:56 PM | Report abuse

"Also at the combine, Taylor had a group interview with Redskins officials including coach Mike Shanahan, defensive coordinator Jim Haslett, owner Daniel Snyder and general manager Bruce Allen, according Schaffer."

Now that we know everyone who's involved in this sort of thing, who do you think it was who was pushing for McNabb? Hint: it wasn't Shanahan according to J. Reid's recent article.

Posted by: Pepper5 | March 7, 2011 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Dan is involved and wants to make sure he can establish rapport with the stars before he signs.

Posted by: Pepper5 | March 7, 2011 4:50 PM

Worked out so well with LaVar ... just sayin

Posted by: dcsween | March 7, 2011 4:57 PM | Report abuse

This is what I was thinking about when I read people discussing this guy at #10 because of his post season accomplishment. You can't put all your eggs in that basket. I won't be surprised at all to see him there at #41, because that's where his value should settle. From what I've been reading, there are legit concerns about his motor.

Posted by: TWISI | March 7, 2011 4:58 PM | Report abuse

"Also at the combine, Taylor had a group interview with Redskins officials including coach Mike Shanahan, defensive coordinator Jim Haslett, owner Daniel Snyder and general manager Bruce Allen, according Schaffer."

Dan is involved and wants to make sure he can establish rapport with the stars before he signs.

Posted by: Pepper5 "

Seems like a tactical mistake, don't it?? Somebody could threaten to take him ahead of us just to snag more draft picks..

Mallett may or may not be another Roethlisberger..If we take him, I just hope the team did thorough intel beforehand..

Posted by: frak | March 7, 2011 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | March 7, 2011 4:54 PM |

Kenya imagine that!

Posted by: EncinoMan | March 7, 2011 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Any QB is going to be nit-picked by you guys.

"He's not mobile enough."

"He's not accurate enough."

"He has a noodle-arm."

Look...There is not a QB out there that has the accuracy of Drew Brees, runs faster than DG28, throws the ball a mile and has never touched pot.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 7, 2011 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Which is why I'm advocating a pass on a QB this year and draft to fix our 31st-32nd ranked 3-4 defense currently filled with 4-3 personnel.

But with regards to a QB - how about drafting one that can read defenses and get rid of the ball quickly?

Then we won't have to worry about whether he's fast/strong/tough enough to survive a pass rush.

Posted by: p1funk | March 7, 2011 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Now that we know everyone who's involved in this sort of thing, who do you think it was who was pushing for McNabb? Hint: it wasn't Shanahan according to J. Reid's recent article.

Posted by: Pepper5 | March 7, 2011 4:56 PM

Liar, liar, pants on fire. That's not what Reid wrote. He wrote that Kyle Shanahan was opposed. He said Mike Shanahan approved the deal.

"Game film convinced offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan that McNabb would be a bad fit for his father's offense. Kyle spoke up before the trade, but others in the organization pushed for McNabb. The elder Shanahan approved the deal because he wanted a proven quarterback and, well, what if Kyle was wrong? "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/25/AR2011022506318.html

Posted by: beep-beep | March 7, 2011 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Mallett may or may not be another Roethlisberger...

Posted by: frak | March 7, 2011 4:58 PM |

If he is another Roeth then based on what we have seen of Roeth he has character flaws. If he isn't another Roeth then what is he? Your "may or may not dichotomy" doesn't go very far.

Posted by: EncinoMan | March 7, 2011 5:06 PM | Report abuse

"Game film convinced offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan that McNabb would be a bad fit for his father's offense. Kyle spoke up before the trade, but others in the organization pushed for McNabb. The elder Shanahan approved the deal because he wanted a proven quarterback and, well, what if Kyle was wrong? "

Posted by: beep-beep | March 7, 2011 5:03 PM

The article IDs the elder Shanahan, but don't you wonder who others (plural) in the organization might have been?

Posted by: Alan4 | March 7, 2011 5:06 PM | Report abuse

But with regards to a QB - how about drafting one that can read defenses ...

Posted by: p1funk | March 7, 2011 5:01 PM |

How long is it going to take for the results of the QB Wonderlic test scores to leak out?

Posted by: EncinoMan | March 7, 2011 5:10 PM | Report abuse

The article IDs the elder Shanahan, but don't you wonder who others (plural) in the organization might have been?

Posted by: Alan4 | March 7, 2011 5:06 PM

The article said that Shanahan made the decision. As long as he has the final say in personnel it really doesn't matter who's lining up on which side. He's in charge.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 7, 2011 5:10 PM | Report abuse

If he is another Roeth then based on what we have seen of Roeth he has character flaws. If he isn't another Roeth then what is he? Your "may or may not dichotomy" doesn't go very far.

Posted by: EncinoMan

I'm talking about his big QB style on the field..He's big and strong like Ben, he gets points for being a pothead, not a rapist, and has strong leadership qualities....

Posted by: frak | March 7, 2011 5:11 PM | Report abuse

"Game film convinced offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan that McNabb would be a bad fit for his father's offense. Kyle spoke up before the trade, but others in the organization pushed for McNabb. The elder Shanahan approved the deal because he wanted a proven quarterback and, well, what if Kyle was wrong? "

Posted by: beep-beep | March 7, 2011 5:03 PM

The article IDs the elder Shanahan, but don't you wonder who others (plural) in the organization might have been?

Posted by: Alan4 | March 7, 2011 5:06 PM | Report abuse


There's only 3 people in this organization that Big Shanny is taking input from in a serious way - the kind of way that may sway a decision or opinion.

1) Kyle
2) Bruce
3) Danny

So if Kyle was against getting McNabb, and the article cites other(s) pushing for it, then I think it's safe to deduce that Bruce and Danny were pro-McNabb, Kyle was anti-McNabb, Big Shanny was on the fence and allowed himself to be swayed to the "get him" camp.

Posted by: p1funk | March 7, 2011 5:13 PM | Report abuse

"Game film convinced offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan that McNabb would be a bad fit for his father's offense. Kyle spoke up before the trade, but others in the organization pushed for McNabb. ..."

Posted by: Alan4 | March 7, 2011 5:06 PM |

Usually blood is thicker than water but here it seems like skulls were thicker than blood.

Posted by: EncinoMan | March 7, 2011 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Finally got you dunderheads discuss this J.Reid bombshell: I think he's trying to say that he knows Snyder pushed hard for McNabb but his source won't let him tell us.

Now I grant that it might have been Allen, but I think the context makes it clear that it wasn't Shanny doing the pushing and I think the context is pretty clear about that.

Posted by: Pepper5 | March 7, 2011 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Hint: it wasn't Shanahan according to J. Reid's recent article.

Posted by: Pepper5 | March 7, 2011 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Please try to pay attention Pepper...If Reid makes a statement, then the exact 180 degree opposite is true.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 7, 2011 5:17 PM | Report abuse

beep-beep, p1funk... I hope you guys are right.

SCHOTTENHEIMER WILL HAVE FINAL SAY IN PERSONNEL MATTERS
www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-68902904.html


Schottenheimer confirmed reports that his refusal to give back control of personnel matters to Snyder as the reason the owner-coach relationship, which seemed so strong when he was hired Jan. 3, 2001, blew up after the first year of his four-year contract.

"Dan Snyder and I have agreed on many things,'' Schottenheimer said. "The issue we could not resolve, however, involved selecting players who would make up the Washington Redskins' roster."
http://articles.dailypress.com/2002-01-15/news/0201150062_1_rich-mckay-usfl-s-tampa-bay-bandits-florida-coach-steve-spurrier/2

Shanahan has final say in Washington
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/05/shanahan-has-final-say-in-washington/


Snyder “unhappy” with McNabb benching
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/19/snyder-unhappy-with-mcnabb-benching/


Snyder hopes McNabb is his 2011 starting QB
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2011/02/snyder_hopes_mcnabb_is_his_201.html
Rome: "Who's your starting quarterback next year?"

Snyder: "Hopefully it's Donovan McNabb. Right now it's Donovan McNabb. I think he's a proven leader, and a terrific person, terrific person. And I'm hopeful we'll continue as we had last season."

Posted by: Alan4 | March 7, 2011 5:26 PM | Report abuse

he gets points for being a pothead, not a rapist, ....

Posted by: frak | March 7, 2011 5:11 PM |

You know of course that pot is a gateway drug, the gateway to a life of sin and dissolution.

Posted by: EncinoMan | March 7, 2011 5:27 PM | Report abuse

There's only 3 people in this organization that Big Shanny is taking input from in a serious way - the kind of way that may sway a decision or opinion.

1) Kyle
2) Bruce
3) Danny

So if Kyle was against getting McNabb, and the article cites other(s) pushing for it, then I think it's safe to deduce that Bruce and Danny were pro-McNabb, Kyle was anti-McNabb, Big Shanny was on the fence and allowed himself to be swayed to the "get him" camp.

Posted by: p1funk | March 7, 2011 5:13 PM

p1funk pretending he was in the room and deducing the discussion for us. There is a QB coach, Matt LaFleur who probably had input to the decision. But, more important, Shanahan's his own man. He's not going to "be swayed." He's going to make an independent decision.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 7, 2011 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Beer is worse than weed..

Kyle showed obvious discomfort with McNabb all last year..Once again, Snyder's FO not on the same page with each other..

Posted by: frak | March 7, 2011 5:32 PM | Report abuse

, the gateway to a life of sin and dissolution.

Posted by: EncinoMan | March 7, 2011 5:27 PM | Report abuse

If by sin and dissolution you meant happiness, relaxation, well being and enlightenment, then I agree.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 7, 2011 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Rome: "Who's your starting quarterback next year?"

Snyder: "Hopefully it's Donovan McNabb. Right now it's Donovan McNabb. I think he's a proven leader, and a terrific person, terrific person. And I'm hopeful we'll continue as we had last season."

Posted by: Alan4 | March 7, 2011 5:26 PM |

If you were trying to get something for McNabb, isn't this what you would say?

Posted by: beep-beep | March 7, 2011 5:37 PM | Report abuse

If by sin and dissolution you meant happiness, relaxation, well being and enlightenment, then I agree.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 7, 2011 5:34 PM |

Maybe. But it's not worth waiting guilty for.

Posted by: EncinoMan | March 7, 2011 5:42 PM | Report abuse

If you were trying to get something for McNabb, isn't this what you would say?

Posted by: beep-beep | March 7, 2011 5:37 PM |

What I would say is that if you take him off our hands in a trade we'll throw in Fatsworth as a bonus.

Posted by: EncinoMan | March 7, 2011 5:44 PM | Report abuse

If you were trying to get something for McNabb, isn't this what you would say?

Posted by: beep-beep | March 7, 2011 5:37 PM

Snyder has never played that game. The man shows his cards. When he got tired of Jason Campbell, he made no secret of it. When Zorn was on the outs, it was clear.

When Snyder coveted Jay Cutler, Ochocinco, and Mark Sanchez, it was clear... when he coveted Shanahan, it was clear.... and he was willing to give up whatever it took to get them.

Snyder has NEVER spoken fondly of someone who was about to get canned.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 7, 2011 5:45 PM | Report abuse

We don't need anyone who has a poor work ethic and takes playes off.

That has been normal operating procedure for too many Redskins players the last 15 years or so.

Posted by: 72Redskins | March 7, 2011 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Snyder has NEVER spoken fondly of someone who was about to get canned.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 7, 2011 5:45 PM |

What about Vinny?

Posted by: EncinoMan | March 7, 2011 5:48 PM | Report abuse

@: beep-beep | March 7, 2011 5:37 PM

Most importantly, if his hands are really off personnel, his answer should have been: "That's Mike Shanahan's decision."

Nothing more.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 7, 2011 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Snyder has NEVER spoken fondly of someone who was about to get canned.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 7, 2011 5:45 PM

Which makes it more effective. Shanahan and Allen are running the show, not Snyder. If you were Shanahan or Allen, running the show, isn't his what you would want Snyder to say?

Posted by: beep-beep | March 7, 2011 5:50 PM | Report abuse

"That's Mike Shanahan's decision."

Posted by: Alan4 | March 7, 2011 5:49 PM | Report abuse

To be fair, I can cite you numerous times during the same SB week media blitz where he essentially said just that.

I respect your view here, but I think the fact that Snyder made that McNabb comment had everything to do with keeping some semblance of trade value and nothing to do with any sign that he is meddling.

You make good points about his past behavior, but I truly believe Shanahan is not going to be trifled with in personnel matters.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 7, 2011 5:55 PM | Report abuse

You make good points about his past behavior, but I truly believe Shanahan is not going to be trifled with in personnel matters.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 7, 2011 5:55 PM

Neither was Schottenheimer. That's why he was fired.

Look, I'm not saying Snyder is interfering right now. But I just don't buy the idea that he's out there trying to up McNabb's (or Haynesworth's) trade value by saying glowing things.

Given his documented history, it's far more likely he actually has a strong opinion about key personnel. And if we can beleive what was reported this season, he was unhappy about McNabb's benching and now he hopes McNabb starts in 2011.

Many fans felt (and feel) the same way, and I have no reason to disbeleive what Snyder is quoted as saying, or take it as an elaborate ruse to increase either McNabb or Haynesworth's trade value.


Posted by: Alan4 | March 7, 2011 6:03 PM | Report abuse

What about Vinny?

Posted by: EncinoMan | March 7, 2011 5:48 PM


Officially, Vinny quit.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 7, 2011 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | March 7, 2011 5:13 PM

p1funk pretending he was in the room and deducing the discussion for us. There is a QB coach, Matt LaFleur who probably had input to the decision. But, more important, Shanahan's his own man. He's not going to "be swayed." He's going to make an independent decision.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 7, 2011 5:29 PM | Report abuse


"Pretending"

You don't know who I really am.

You think my name in real life is p1funk?

How do you know I wasn't an inside player on the decision, eh?

Or are you the one pretending now???

Posted by: p1funk | March 7, 2011 6:16 PM | Report abuse

You don't know who I really am.

Posted by: p1funk | March 7, 2011 6:16 PM |

You went to the University of Maryland. No one knows who you are. No one ever will know who you are. Even you aren't sure who you are.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 7, 2011 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Alan4 | March 7, 2011 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Fair enough, but let me say as a fan and if I were the owner, I'd have said the same thing.

Don't we all wish McNabb were productive and worth the assets we gave up to get him?

I hope that by virtue of saying what he said, Snyder was saying "I am not in the film room reviewing game tape with the coaches, and therefore I do not know what the staff's player evaluations ended up concluding about the QB position. But I'd like Donovan to be the guy."

If it comes out that Snyder was in the film room participating, then yes we have a huge problem, and I would not imagine Shanahan would be around much longer.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 7, 2011 6:21 PM | Report abuse

If the scouts are up to their jobs, they can find a viable 3-4 NT with the 41st pick (or later). Baylor is getting a lot of noise, but is probably not an option for DC. The Skins need to stop scouting by listening to hype and get back to some old fashioned talent evaluation.

Posted by: CommieX | March 7, 2011 6:24 PM | Report abuse

No one ever will know who you are. Even you aren't sure who you are.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 7, 2011 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Ouch!

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 7, 2011 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Which makes it more effective. Shanahan and Allen are running the show, not Snyder. If you were Shanahan or Allen, running the show, isn't his what you would want Snyder to say?

Posted by: beep-beep | March 7, 2011 5:50 PM

Snyder has always been involved, except for 1 year when Schottenheimer ran the show, then was fired because he wouldn't give up final say on personnel moves.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1696792
Spurrier: "clashed with Snyder over personnel moves, particularly the owner's decision to cut quarterback Danny Wuerffel at the end of training camp..."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/24/AR2007042402340.html
Gibbs: The Redskins' coaches and scouts spend weeks assessing players, and after much debate they assign a grade to each player and ranks him. But the decision belongs to Snyder, Gibbs and Vice President of Football Operations Vinny Cerrato, who explore trades, run the "war room" on draft day and ultimately make any selections or trades.

"The three of us normally at the end of it try and come up with a final game plan for the draft," Gibbs said.


Zorn: No links needed. It's beyond obvious Snyder and Vinny had too much to do with personnel on the field.

Shanahan: Does Snyder respect Shanahan more than Gibbs? How long will Snyder patiently sit by and let Shanahan have full control over personnel?

Snyder's history indicates it will be extrmeley tough for him to stand aside, especially if the team loses for awhile. And his comments about McNabb fit right in with his well documented history. Believing his comments about personnel represent some newly conjured ploy to boost players' trade value is a real reach... and wishful thinking.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 7, 2011 6:31 PM | Report abuse

"NFL teams love the size, strength and quickness Taylor has to offer, and he appears to be an ideal fit in the 3-4. There are questions about his work ethic, however, and one criticism about him is that he appeared to take some plays off at times."


Oh boy...if that's even remotely true that's a problem. Not that we're likely to be in a position to pick him anyway, but IF there's truth to that statement we could be better off getting a blue chipper at #10 and Paea in Round 2. That draft wouldn't hurt my feelings at all...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 7, 2011 6:34 PM | Report abuse

It sure would be nice to have something new to talk about instead of the same old crap that's been rehashed ad nauseum. Guess we'll have to wait for the CBA.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 7, 2011 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Mardi Gras and Lent is an ancient pagan ritual based on the fact that the end of winter is here, the Donner Party corpse supply is gettin' low and its time to go on a fast till Spring...Unless you got that secret juicy corpse stashed away somewhere.

Posted by: frak | March 7, 2011 6:49 PM | Report abuse

It sure would be nice to have something new to talk about instead of the same old crap that's been rehashed ad nauseum. Guess we'll have to wait for the CBA.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 7, 2011 6:42 PM | Report abuse

I love how last year the conversation was super-aggressive up here about how Snyder had washed his hands of all involvement. Now the apologists and the contrarians have been reduced to whining about "the same old crap that's been rehashed ad nauseum."

I'm sorry but there's still a cancer at the core of this team, a dark heart if you will. Nothing really changes until it's removed.

Posted by: Pepper5 | March 7, 2011 6:53 PM | Report abuse

[SHANAHAN] He's not going to "be swayed." He's going to make an independent decision.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 7, 2011 5:29 PM | Report abuse

And you know this because.......? I don't believe anyone has more say about the personnel on this team than SNYDER, including ALLEN/SHANAHAN[s].

Still think we should pick a QB first beep-beep? Just grab the best player available at #10 who happens to be a QB, right? Not surprising. More of a need than NT, OLB, DE, G, C, OT? I see. Well we'll see soon enough who's in charge.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 7, 2011 6:53 PM | Report abuse

We should boycott the Redskins until Snyder is forced to relinquish control of the team.

Posted by: Pepper5 | March 7, 2011 6:54 PM | Report abuse

But even if the Redskins decide they want Taylor, they might not have a chance to get him. In the first round, Washington picks 10th, which appears to be too high to take Taylor. Washington is on the clock again nine picks into the second round (41st overall), which could be too late if projections of Taylor as a first round pick are accurate.

Oh well.........

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 7, 2011 7:00 PM | Report abuse

No matter who the team drafts on defense, I'm still not sold on Haslett as a competent steward of the defensive unit, let alone someone who can manage the transition to the 3-4. I just don't see it. I'd be far more comfortable with Lou Spanos running that defense.

Posted by: Carl739 | March 7, 2011 7:01 PM | Report abuse

I love how last year the conversation was super-aggressive up here about how Snyder had washed his hands of all involvement. Now the apologists and the contrarians have been reduced to whining about "the same old crap that's been rehashed ad nauseum."

I'm sorry but there's still a cancer at the core of this team, a dark heart if you will. Nothing really changes until it's removed.

Posted by: Pepper5 | March 7, 2011 6:53 PM |

Not sure when I've become a contrarian or apologist. I've always hated that basterd of an owner and never made any excuses for him except that he'll spend the money. But if it makes you feel better about yourself then you can have that.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 7, 2011 7:06 PM | Report abuse

I think if we draft defense in the 1st round, Kyle will be in Shanny's ear to get an offensive player in the 2nd..And vice versa..

Posted by: frak | March 7, 2011 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Kraft opening his books for public view:

"Yeah, I own everything you buy at the supermarket..What of it??"

Posted by: frak | March 7, 2011 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Sorry scamp it's really me. I was an apologist last year because I actually thought Shanny would do what Marty did and exile Snyder. Or that Snyder realized he should exile himself. But the evidence is not good at all. I guess I'm ready to quit anyway -- face it the commercials suck, the head injuries thing sucks, and apparently the Redskins will suck thanks to Snyder. I wish the players well, but...I'm....bored.

Bye y'all!

Posted by: Pepper5 | March 7, 2011 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Work ethic?

Takes some plays off?

As a former president once so eloquently put it:

"Fool me twice....don't get fooled again."

Posted by: TheCork | March 7, 2011 7:59 PM | Report abuse

We should boycott the Redskins until Snyder is forced to relinquish control of the team.

Posted by: Pepper5 | March 7, 2011 6:54 PM

The Atlantic Ocean will dry and Mount Kilimanjaro will melt before your wish comes through.

Posted by: abxinc | March 7, 2011 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Baylor's Phil Taylor attracts Redskins' interest


If you search this forum, you'll see that we've been preaching:

Round 1: NT--Phil Taylor

Round 2: QB--Christian Ponder


But this is what we have to overcome:

"...But even if the Redskins decide they want Taylor, they might not have a chance to get him. In the first round, Washington picks 10th, which appears to be too high to take Taylor."


Who gives a F about draftnik logic?

Any player you identify that satisfies a specific need, you draft.

Draftnik logic makes sense on draft day, but once the season starts, what you want are guys who take care of defined scheme needs.

If Taylor is there, take'em!!

And let the draftniks cry in their beer about it.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 7, 2011 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Castro and Chavez say that NATO's invasion of Libya is "inevitable"..Too many oil assets invested, how will China and Russia react, could be The Big Kickoff..

Posted by: frak | March 7, 2011 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 7, 2011 8:19 PM | Report abuse

I agree about drfatnik logic.

Look at recent drafts and picks like Alualu and Pierre-Paul. If I'm not mistaken both went significantly higher than any draftnik predicted. Both look like very goods picks.

If Taylor has as much upside and is the best 3-4 NT prospect then he's absolutely in play at #10.

But I'd still like to try and trade down 5-10 spots if we think we can still grab him and another pick.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 7, 2011 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Moe, I'm ok with Phil Taylor at 10 (particularly over Cameron Jordan), but still not sold on Christian..You think him to be the franchiser?? Luck or even that Oklahoma dude would be preferable..

Posted by: frak | March 7, 2011 8:33 PM | Report abuse

And you know this because.......? I don't believe anyone has more say about the personnel on this team than SNYDER, including ALLEN/SHANAHAN[s].

Still think we should pick a QB first beep-beep?

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 7, 2011 6:53 PM |

1. I know this because I read the Stephan Fatsis book and know the type of man that Shanahan is.

2. Never thought this, never will. Always felt we should take BPA with #10. If the BPA is a franchise QB, then we shouldn't miss the opportunity to grab one.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 7, 2011 8:36 PM | Report abuse

"Who gives a F about draftnik logic?Any player you identify that satisfies a specific need, you draft.Draftnik logic makes sense on draft day, but once the season starts, what you want are guys who take care of defined scheme needs.If Taylor is there, take'em!!And let the draftniks cry in their beer about it.Posted by: gimmesummoe"

How you fail on draft day: you fall into the trap of overvaluing a player because he fills a specific need that you think is important.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 7, 2011 8:43 PM | Report abuse

But I'd still like to try and trade down 5-10 spots if we think we can still grab him and another pick.

Trade down?

With whom:

10. Redskins
11. Texans
12. Vikings
13. Lions
14. Rams
15. Dolphins
16. Jaguars
17. Patriots (from Raiders)
18. Chargers
19. Giants
20. Buccaneers
21. Chiefs
22. Colts
23. Eagles
24. Saints
25. Seahawks


I'd say: Seattle, St Louis, NE, Minn.

Maybe offering DM5 as a chip to move down and acquire another pick allows you to snag Taylor further down in round 1.

But again: that's a lot of draftnik thinking.

We need a beef eating solid young NT to pair with Bryant and Kemo.

You need 3 NTs today, not convoluted draftnik logic.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 7, 2011 8:46 PM | Report abuse

How you fail on draft day: you fall into the trap of overvaluing a player because he fills a specific need that you think is important.

Posted by: Samson151

Cerrato failed us miserably picking BPA, it's gotta be the right balance..And Management all have to be on the same page to avoid embarrassing personnel misfires..(Is that even possible with Snyder hovering around?)..

Posted by: frak | March 7, 2011 8:49 PM | Report abuse

How you fail on draft day: you fall into the trap of overvaluing a player because he fills a specific need that you think is important.


If you play the 3-4 and don't have a bevy of true 3-4 defensive linemen to make it work, how do you fail yourself by placing value on players who come out of college excelling in just such a defense?

When the packers switched to the 3-4, they drafted players (Raji, Matthews) who fit the specific need of NT and OLB.

Seems logical to me.

But I'm not a draftnik.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 7, 2011 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato failed us miserably picking BPA, it's gotta be the right balance..And Management all have to be on the same page to avoid embarrassing personnel misfires..(Is that even possible with Snyder hovering around?)..

Posted by: frak | March 7, 2011 8:49 PM

Which Cerrato are you talking about. If you're referring to Vinny Cerrato, he only selected BPA once: Orakpo, and that worked out pretty well. When he went for need -- three receivers in the second round, punter -- he missed out on the better players that were available.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 7, 2011 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Also, we need a replacement on the roster that is in some way associated with the word "Clinton." dcsween

So you're for drafting QB JOSHUA PORTIS over TYROD TAYLOR with our second fifth round choice?

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 7, 2011 8:59 PM | Report abuse

I hope we trade outa #10 to get more picks, cuz we need em...

Posted by: skinswillwin | March 7, 2011 9:02 PM | Report abuse

You need 3 NTs today, not convoluted draftnik logic.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 7, 2011 8:46 PM

This isn't a new approach, but a failed approach. Go ahead and reach for a player that fills a need, ad you'll quickly see why he's not a highly rated as the other players (including Dlmen) that are on the board at that time. The Skins can easily reach for need at NT in the second round (Ellis, Powe) and not invest as much $$ on a player that has suspect work habits. Better yet, the Skins can probably reach for talent in the 2nd round (Paea) bulk that dude up and be better for it. How about Fau in the 5th who helped Standford successfully convert from a 4-3 to a 3-4 last year. In the long run, what you're suggesting is a failed approach to player acquisition.

Posted by: TWISI | March 7, 2011 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Which Cerrato are you talking about. If you're referring to Vinny Cerrato, he only selected BPA once: Orakpo, and that worked out pretty well. When he went for need -- three receivers in the second round, punter -- he missed out on the better players that were available.

Posted by: beep-beep


NEED was O and D-line, not another TE when you have Pro Bowler Cooley, and NOT two overrated WRs that look good on paper-the entire Skins scouting system needed to be upgraded, too..And I think it has with Shanahan/Allen..hopefully..

Posted by: frak | March 7, 2011 9:06 PM | Report abuse

twisi

Let's just file the conversation away and wait to see what kind of pro Taylor becomes.

BTW, the last player folks told me I was nuts for craving has become a decent enough pro.

His name?: Percy Harvin.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 7, 2011 9:07 PM | Report abuse

I think if we draft defense in the 1st round, Kyle will be in Shanny's ear to get an offensive player in the 2nd..And vice versa..

Posted by: frak | March 7, 2011 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Now you're talking.

OLB or DE first. Interior o-line second; G or C. NT fifth, QB fifth, OLB or DE sixth, WR seventh, CB seventh.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 7, 2011 9:08 PM | Report abuse

The Steelers and Dick LeBeau have a strong vision of what it takes to build a top defense-they see a player that will fit their scheme and they draft him..Management needs to have a clear vision of what their needs are, the holistic overall VISION of the franchise, and stick to it..Hopefully, since Snyder has stepped back a bit from meddling, this vision can be realized..

Posted by: frak | March 7, 2011 9:11 PM | Report abuse

NEED was O and D-line, not another TE when you have Pro Bowler Cooley, and NOT two overrated WRs that look good on paper-the entire Skins scouting system needed to be upgraded, too..And I think it has with Shanahan/Allen..hopefully..

Posted by: frak | March 7, 2011 9:06 PM

That's how you saw the need. Zorn, Snyder, Cerrato saw it differently. Vinnie thought he was drafting for need, not BPA.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 7, 2011 9:13 PM | Report abuse

I hope we trade outa #10 to get more picks, cuz we need em...

Posted by: skinswillwin | March 7, 2011 9:02 PM | Report abuse

A wise move, and possible if one of the top three QB's based on combine results and play history are still on the board at #10. I still don't think any QB of the PEYTON MANNING caliber exists in this draft. Get a lesser light for a back-up in the fifth round.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 7, 2011 9:13 PM | Report abuse

This isn't a new approach, but a failed approach. Go ahead and reach for a player that fills a need, ad you'll quickly see why he's not a highly rated as the other players (including Dlmen) that are on the board at that time. The Skins can easily reach for need at NT in the second round (Ellis, Powe) and not invest as much $$ on a player that has suspect work habits. Better yet, the Skins can probably reach for talent in the 2nd round (Paea) bulk that dude up and be better for it. How about Fau in the 5th who helped Standford successfully convert from a 4-3 to a 3-4 last year. In the long run, what you're suggesting is a failed approach to player acquisition.

Posted by: TWISI | March 7, 2011 9:03 PM | Report abuse

CO-SIGN---its called talent dev from draft---take raw skills and make them mucho betters---and not pay $$--see pats-stillers-crows

Posted by: skinswillwin | March 7, 2011 9:13 PM | Report abuse

You need 3 NTs today, not convoluted draftnik logic.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 7, 2011 8:46 PM

This isn't a new approach, but a failed approach. Go ahead and reach for a player that fills a need, ad you'll quickly see why he's not a highly rated as the other players (including Dlmen) that are on the board at that time. The Skins can easily reach for need at NT in the second round (Ellis, Powe) and not invest as much $$ on a player that has suspect work habits. Better yet, the Skins can probably reach for talent in the 2nd round (Paea) bulk that dude up and be better for it. How about Fau in the 5th who helped Standford successfully convert from a 4-3 to a 3-4 last year. In the long run, what you're suggesting is a failed approach to player acquisition.

Posted by: TWISI | March 7, 2011 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Well repost-other got lost in the interwebs---tr

Posted by: skinswillwin | March 7, 2011 9:17 PM | Report abuse

gimmesummoe I like Taylor. I think he'll be a solid pro. I don't like the reasoning you're using. Particularly high in the first round, it's just bad practice to reach for need.

Posted by: TWISI | March 7, 2011 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato failed us miserably picking BPA, it's gotta be the right balance..And Management all have to be on the same page to avoid embarrassing personnel misfires..(Is that even possible with Snyder hovering around?)..

Posted by: frak | March 7, 2011 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Thank you!

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 7, 2011 9:19 PM | Report abuse

That's how you saw the need. Zorn, Snyder, Cerrato saw it differently. Vinnie thought he was drafting for need, not BPA.

Posted by: beep-beep

It all starts with the lines..Makes everybody else shine brighter..

Posted by: frak | March 7, 2011 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Tomorrow is Auburn's Pro Day.

What happens if Cam Newton's passing to his home team receivers is just as questionable and shaky as it was during the combine?

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 7, 2011 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato failed us miserably picking BPA, it's gotta be the right balance..And Management all have to be on the same page to avoid embarrassing personnel misfires..(Is that even possible with Snyder hovering around?)..

Posted by: frak | March 7, 2011 8:49 PM | Report abuse

First off, using Vinny as justification for anything isn't a good idea. Vinny was incompetant and went after any shinny bauble that caught his big bug eyes regardless of what his coaches or scouts said. The 2nd part of your statement is nonetheless true.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 7, 2011 9:28 PM | Report abuse

What happens if Cam Newton's passing to his home team receivers is just as questionable and shaky as it was during the combine?

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 7, 2011 9:24 PM

He'll slide to the middle of the 1st round. He's a first round talent and a team, wait for it, will reach out of need to draft him.

Posted by: TWISI | March 7, 2011 9:29 PM | Report abuse

It all starts with the lines..Makes everybody else shine brighter..

We showed our committment to the offense by taking a lineman high last year.

This time, it's the defense's turn.

We haven't drafted a defensive linemen in I don't know how many drafts (Golston, Montgomery, Jackson are the only drafted linemen I can think of).

There are 13 lineman with 1st round grades.

It would be nice to see at least one of them in a redskin uniform next Fall.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 7, 2011 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Is Rex Grossman our starting QB next year? Have we seen anything whatsoever to dispute the fact that he will be under center week 1?

Doesn't Shanahan think he can be his next Jake Plummer? I think I read that somewhere...

Posted by: rich20ssu | March 7, 2011 9:33 PM | Report abuse

TWISI

The thing about Newton is that if he fails as a quarterback, he might be a decent pass catching tight end.

But I sense that like Tim Tebow, he'll figure out the pro game and become a decent player.

I wouldn't draft him, though.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 7, 2011 9:34 PM | Report abuse

This isn't a new approach, but a failed approach. Go ahead and reach for a player that fills a need, ad you'll quickly see why he's not a highly rated as the other players (including Dlmen) that are on the board at that time. The Skins can easily reach for need at NT in the second round (Ellis, Powe) and not invest as much $$ on a player that has suspect work habits. Better yet, the Skins can probably reach for talent in the 2nd round (Paea) bulk that dude up and be better for it. How about Fau in the 5th who helped Standford successfully convert from a 4-3 to a 3-4 last year. In the long run, what you're suggesting is a failed approach to player acquisition.

Posted by: TWISI | March 7, 2011 9:03 PM | Report abuse

CO-SIGN---its called talent dev from draft---take raw skills and make them mucho betters---and not pay $$--see pats-stillers-crows

Posted by: skinswillwin | March 7, 2011 9:13 PM | Report abuse

co-co-sign. There are reasons Taylor is rated late 1st to middle 2nd. Attitude being one of the biggest. There are other options in the draft. Don't reach. If we can trade down, fine, take him in the second. Not even a late first. I want players with attitude, not a bad attitude.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 7, 2011 9:42 PM | Report abuse

CO-SIGN---its called talent dev from draft---take raw skills and make them mucho betters---and not pay $$--see pats-stillers-crows

Posted by: skinswillwin | March 7, 2011 9:13 PM

What is talent dev?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 7, 2011 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Kevin Love just broke Moses Malone's record for consecutive double-doubles..He's an interesting dude..

"Love's uncle, Mike, is a singer in The Beach Boys and brother of Love's father, Stan. Mike and Stan's cousins include The Beach Boys' Brian Wilson, Carl Wilson and Dennis Wilson. Love's aunt, Kathleen McCartney Hearst, was an accomplished triathlete. Love has an older brother, Collin, and a younger sister, Emily.[7]

Love's middle name, Wesley, is in honor of Wes Unseld, the former Washington Bullets center and the Loves' family friend.[58]

External images
Kevin Love on the cover of NCAA Basketball 09.

Love was also picked to be on the front cover for the video game NCAA Basketball 09.

Love was one of the featured stars in the film Gunnin' for That No. 1 Spot, produced and directed by Beastie Boy Adam Yauch.

Love made a brief appearance as himself on the last episode of Season 7 of Entourage on HBO.

Love appeared as himself on the Disney Channel show The Suite Life on Deck during the season 3 episode Twister: Part 1 along with Dwight Howard and Deron Williams.[59]"

-Wikileaks

Posted by: frak | March 7, 2011 9:55 PM | Report abuse

This isn't a new approach, but a failed approach. Go ahead and reach for a player that fills a need, ad you'll quickly see why he's not a highly rated as the other players (including Dlmen) that are on the board at that time.

The only good thing about our current plight is there are so many priority needs we can hardly go wrong.

OLB, DE, CB, G, C, QB, WR, OT not necessarily in that order. We can hardly miss at #10. Any one of them that stands a good chance of becoming an elite player is one worth picking.

I don't think any of this year's QB's is worth a #10 pick. JONES may be the real deal at WR, and may be worth a ten.

In the skill positions CB is probably of lesser importance than a QB or WR.

But I keep coming back to the greatest need which is to find help for the front seven on defense. KEDRICK GOLSTON at DE, MA'AKE KEMOEATU at NT, and a replacement for ANDRE CARTER, plus ROCKY McINTOSH if he isn't resigned.

PERRY RILEY is in the house, but remains a mystery. H.B. BLADES needs to be resigned, but I didn't see an offer on him. Maybe I missed it. CHRIS WILSON had a second tender hung around his neck, so I'm guessing he's in the house. ORAKPO is in as is FLETCHER. Overall, too thin at LB. We need a pick.

Yes, ANTHONY BRYANT showed promise at NT, Yes, ALBERT HAYNESWORTH is still a REDSKIN. Yes, MA'AKE is still on the roster. But of the three BRYANT is the only one that showed me any promise last season. I don't think KEMOEATU will come back, and I don't trust HAYNESWORTH to play even if he's on the field. We need a pick at NT.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 7, 2011 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Anyone? Anyone? Anyone know what the hell talent dev is?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 7, 2011 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Oh wait, is that supposed to be talent ev? That makes sense, I was trying like hell to think of what dev could be an abbreviation for.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 7, 2011 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Anyone? Anyone? Anyone know what the hell talent dev is?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 7, 2011 9:59 PM | Report abuse
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Context tells you he meant talent developed from the draft.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 7, 2011 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Best title for anything you might ever want to do:

Gunnin' for That No. 1 Spot

Nothing like rap slang is as philosophical, motivational, and down right cool as this expression.

Know what Im sayin'?

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 7, 2011 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Anyone? Anyone? Anyone know what the hell talent dev is?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 7, 2011 9:59 PM

Talent development.

Posted by: TWISI | March 7, 2011 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Wow, thanks guys, brain no worky on Monday. It's been a looooooong day...not that my brain works any other day but, well, you know...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 7, 2011 10:10 PM | Report abuse

The 3-4 Defense - the gift that keeps on giving.

2009's 4-3 had its issues, but at least it was reasonably competent and we had the players for it. If we didn't have to completely re-tool, we could concentrate on fixing the offense problems with this draft. Now, it's likely we'll only get part way to fixing the defense and less than part way to fixing the offense.

Posted by: pyrotech | March 7, 2011 10:13 PM | Report abuse

The only good thing about our current plight is there are so many priority needs we can hardly go wrong.

OLB, DE, CB, G, C, QB, WR, OT not necessarily in that order. We can hardly miss at #10. Any one of them that stands a good chance of becoming an elite player is one worth picking.

I don't think any of this year's QB's is worth a #10 pick. JONES may be the real deal at WR, and may be worth a ten.

In the skill positions CB is probably of lesser importance than a QB or WR.

But I keep coming back to the greatest need which is to find help for the front seven on defense. KEDRICK GOLSTON at DE, MA'AKE KEMOEATU at NT, and a replacement for ANDRE CARTER, plus ROCKY McINTOSH if he isn't resigned.

PERRY RILEY is in the house, but remains a mystery. H.B. BLADES needs to be resigned, but I didn't see an offer on him. Maybe I missed it. CHRIS WILSON had a second tender hung around his neck, so I'm guessing he's in the house. ORAKPO is in as is FLETCHER. Overall, too thin at LB. We need a pick.

Yes, ANTHONY BRYANT showed promise at NT, Yes, ALBERT HAYNESWORTH is still a REDSKIN. Yes, MA'AKE is still on the roster. But of the three BRYANT is the only one that showed me any promise last season. I don't think KEMOEATU will come back, and I don't trust HAYNESWORTH to play even if he's on the field. We need a pick at NT.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 7, 2011 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, glaw, I'm not buying that. If we make the assumption that the ratings are correct, that Taylor is rated about 30th, that means that there are about 30 other guys that are more desirable. IF we are drafting at #10(not trading down), we should get one of those players rated say in the top 15, and not reach for a lower valued player. There are a number of DL and OL and DT's rated in top 15 that could also help our DL. Players like Robert Quinn, Cameron Jordan, JJ Watt. Also, if a wr like AJ Green or Julio Jones should fall, we need to consider drafting BPA.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 7, 2011 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Also, if a wr like AJ Green or Julio Jones should fall, we need to consider drafting BPA.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 7, 2011 10:16 PM | Report abuse

If I was in that draft room, it'd be hard for me to pass on any one of these guys.

Posted by: TWISI | March 7, 2011 10:28 PM | Report abuse

This isn't a new approach, but a failed approach. Go ahead and reach for a player that fills a need, ad you'll quickly see why he's not a highly rated as the other players (including Dlmen) that are on the board at that time. The Skins can easily reach for need at NT in the second round (Ellis, Powe) and not invest as much $$ on a player that has suspect work habits. Better yet, the Skins can probably reach for talent in the 2nd round (Paea) bulk that dude up and be better for it. How about Fau in the 5th who helped Standford successfully convert from a 4-3 to a 3-4 last year. In the long run, what you're suggesting is a failed approach to player acquisition.

Posted by: TWISI | March 7, 2011 9:03 PM | Report abuse

CO-SIGN---its called talent dev from draft---take raw skills and make them mucho betters---and not pay $$--see pats-stillers-crows

Posted by: skinswillwin | March 7, 2011 9:13 PM | Report abuse

co-co-sign. There are reasons Taylor is rated late 1st to middle 2nd. Attitude being one of the biggest. There are other options in the draft. Don't reach. If we can trade down, fine, take him in the second. Not even a late first. I want players with attitude, not a bad attitude.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 7, 2011 9:42 PM |

I will co sign this and follow it by saying that 1st round picks should never be about reaching for need or what have you. A #10 should be able to start and make a difference not have to be groomed. Obviously they can be developed more but the pick should not be about player dev. Picks 2,3 and 4 are about picking players that you think can be developed. rounds 5,6 and 7 are about getting lucky...the later the pick, the luckier you have to be.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 7, 2011 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Great. Snyder is participating in interviews.

I thought that the adults were in charge nowadays.

Posted by: zornskins2

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Then get Ego-han and his juvenile "I'm in charge" power play attitude out of there. Let Bruce Almighty handle player evaluation. Ego-han will just draft a guy, compare him to a Hall of Famer and then bench him, anyway.

Posted by: DC2Dallas | March 7, 2011 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, glaw, I'm not buying that. If we make the assumption that the ratings are correct, that Taylor is rated about 30th, that means that there are about 30 other guys that are more desirable. IF we are drafting at #10(not trading down), we should get one of those players rated say in the top 15, and not reach for a lower valued player. There are a number of DL and OL and DT's rated in top 15 that could also help our DL. Players like Robert Quinn, Cameron Jordan, JJ Watt. Also, if a wr like AJ Green or Julio Jones should fall, we need to consider drafting BPA.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 7, 2011 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Not selling anything fredifritz.

I don't want TAYLOR. Frankly, I prefer WR JULIO JONES at #10 or ROBERT QUINN at OLB, or maybe DE CAMERON JORDAN to take over for GOLSTON. We have glaring needs at WR, QB, OLB, and DE. Any one of them that lands an elite player with fairly certain upside is fine by me even a QB. I just don't think that any QB in this draft is worth a #10 pick. That's picking the BPA for need. I don't consider any o-linemen in this draft worth a #10 either. Take the best interior o-linemen in the second round G POUNCEY or C WISNIEWSKI.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 7, 2011 11:38 PM | Report abuse

And I would not reach foe POWE or ELLIS at NT. If they fall to the fifth round take one [I personally perfer ELLIS]. He's rough, and takes plays off, but has good upside potential.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 7, 2011 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Takes plays off? Perfect!

He should fit right in with the rest of the defense!

Posted by: wizard5 | March 8, 2011 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Takes plays off? Perfect!

He should fit right in with the rest of the defense!

Posted by: wizard5 | March 8, 2011 12:15 AM
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Did it say which plays he takes off? If we knew that we could just put a sub in for those plays...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 8, 2011 3:28 AM | Report abuse

We need to seriously try to trade down. This guy could be a BJ Raji type NT. Raji went either 10 or 11 in the 09 draft I believe and last time I checked he was a key cog in them winning the superbowl. He anchored that DL. There are a lot of teams that want Julio Jones and if he is available at #10, I'd consider trading back with StL, Mia (who wants Ingram), or Jax to get in the mid to late part of round 1. Then we pick up 2 extra picks like a 3rd and a 5th. We can get Taylor or another DL or OLB in round 1, round 2 take OL, round 3 go OL, WR or front 7 again, depending what we did in earlier rounds. I hope we move Haynesworth. Nadomakong Suh said he wants Haynesworth to play in Detroit, so if we could trade Haynesworth there and get a pick in return or a player like Corey Williams who could fit in our D, I'd be down with that.

Posted by: avbanig | March 8, 2011 6:34 AM | Report abuse

FatAlbert is our nose tackle, and offensive lineman, and linebackers, and....Oh, that's just his cost. Put his FatNess into the line up, and watch him puke and get run over. At some point, he has to have some pride that will cause him to play, even if it's just so that he won't get hurt. If a doctor can't verify his "injury", put his FatNess back out there.

Posted by: KDSmallJr | March 8, 2011 7:00 AM | Report abuse

Why is Snyder in these interviews? Actually, why is he even there with them? See, he still treats this team like his own little fantasy league. Dan Snyder, go away!!!

Posted by: anw821 | March 8, 2011 7:28 AM | Report abuse

I hate the term "takes plays off".

Even worse is "swagger".

Another that I'm sick of is "the tight end that's too fast for linebackers but too big for corners".

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 7:34 AM | Report abuse

TWISI

If I was in that draft room, it'd be hard for me to pass on any one of these guys (AJ Green or Julio Jones).


I'm of a mind that given the defensive linemen depth, Shanny-Kyle will snag one of these guys at 10, and take a defensive lineman later on.


Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2011 7:35 AM | Report abuse

The next thread?

Coin Toss: Which position should be filled with the number 10 pick?

a. nose tackle

b. wide receiver

c. quarterback

d. outside linebacker

e. defensive end

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2011 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Coin Toss: Which position should be filled with the number 10 pick?

Answer: It depends on who's available.

Posted by: wireman65 | March 8, 2011 8:08 AM | Report abuse

We came close to dishing out a lot last year to get Jake Locker, lucky for us he came back for another year and cost himself a cool 10-20 mil.
I wouldn't be surprised if we still aim for a qb with our pick. Hope not.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 8, 2011 8:13 AM | Report abuse

if they stay at 10, I'd go with either JJones, or JJWatt....thats all I got...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 8, 2011 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Suh was on NFL Total Access last night talking about Haynesworth the player that he wouldn't mind playing with.

Is there a trade in the works????

Posted by: monk811 | March 8, 2011 8:16 AM | Report abuse

monk811

Suh was on NFL Total Access last night talking about Haynesworth the player that he wouldn't mind playing with.


I think this reflects that the players know AH can be a dominate force when he wants to be.

Thing is, as a redskin, he hasn't wanted to be.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2011 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Charlie Sheen "winning" = 2000s Redskins "winning"


Ugh...anyone got a defibrillator for the blog? Sure hope they get a CBA this week so we can at least start talking about FA...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 8, 2011 8:27 AM | Report abuse

I think this reflects that the players know AH can be a dominate force when he wants to be.

Thing is, as a redskin, he hasn't wanted to be.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2011 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Well, he needs to be shipped outta here then.

Looks like our best options are the old Tennessee connections in Philly and Detroit!

Hopefully no more road rage until then, he's killing his trade value!

Posted by: monk811 | March 8, 2011 8:29 AM | Report abuse

As much as I covet a player like A.J. Green or Julio Jones, and have for years, I'm hoping another team comes along and makes an offer for our #10 pick that makes it easy for us to do the right thing as a 6-10 team with a new and undermanned 3-4 defense...which I define as getting in reasonable position to draft the best NT in the draft (if Haslett says he's the goods, of course) and picking up another pick in the process for our many other areas of need.

If nobody does that, I think you have to take the very BPA, which I'm guessing will be one of the WR's and hope the defensive needs can be addressed in later rounds or a signing or two after the new CBA is in place. It's not like WR isn't a pressing need too and either of those guys are going to be a treat to watch after what we're used to. (I say this even though I hope we get Santana back. Guy was made for the slot and I want us to enjoy that and not the Patriots.)

Posted by: MColeman51 | March 8, 2011 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Stu27

We came close to dishing out a lot last year to get Jake Locker

I'm not sold on Locker, despite his athleticism, as he's not an accurate passer from the pocket--that was more than evident during the Senior Bowl.

Drafting him means some quarterback coach has to devote time to correcting his mechanics.

I haveen't seen all the kids playing quarterback, but the ones I've seen--Mallett, Cam, Ponder, Dalton, Stanzi--are all mechanicallysound passers.

And the most athletic, accurate, and sound-to me-are Ponder and Dalton.

Hopefully, one of those guys is selected by us next month.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2011 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Charlie Sheen "winning" = 2000s Redskins "winning"


Ugh...anyone got a defibrillator for the blog? Sure hope they get a CBA this week so we can at least start talking about FA...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 8, 2011 8:27 AM |

Not hardly. Sheen, despite being an utter doosh, won and won going away. His show was the most profitable show on his entire network and his 2 mil per episode was actually chump change relative to what that show was taking in. Dude exceeded the hype.

On the other hand, there were our beloved Redskins in 2000. What did they win?

I'll take Sheen over Jeff George any day!

Too bad George didn't drink tiger blood.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 8, 2011 8:43 AM | Report abuse

You don't know who I really am.

Posted by: p1funk | March 7, 2011 6:16 PM

Disbarred lawyer with a trust fund? Just a guess.

Posted by: mack1 | March 8, 2011 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Just to recap, Phil Taylor's downside is well-documented -- according to the tape, he's a fat guy who takes plays off. His upside is mostly about unusual quickness for his bulk.

If the Skins pick Phil at 10, they'd ordinarily expect to pay him quite a bit more money than if they got him at, say, 19. Things might change, of course.

It's about bang for the buck. If you pay Phil the big dollars and Jerrell Powe goes a whole round later and turns out to be much the better player, you're going to have to defend that choice for the next few years.

Teams that focus on a need, like QB or NT, are prone to reaching. Sometimes it works out, like Alualu, and many times it doesn't. If it does, you look really smart, and if not, you're officially an idiot. Both are illusory. You just guessed wrong or right.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 8, 2011 8:49 AM | Report abuse

I CAN'T SAY IT MORE CLOG THE HOLE!

OFFENSIVE LINEMEN!

THE SKINS HAVE TO START SOME YEAR.

Posted by: shamken | March 8, 2011 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Guy was made for the slot and I want us to enjoy that

Posted by: MColeman51 | March 8, 2011 8:31 AM


That's what she said.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 8, 2011 8:50 AM | Report abuse

I haveen't seen all the kids playing quarterback, but the ones I've seen--Mallett, Cam, Ponder, Dalton, Stanzi--are all mechanicallysound passers.

And the most athletic, accurate, and sound-to me-are Ponder and Dalton.

Hopefully, one of those guys is selected by us next month.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2011 8:40 AM | Report abuse

i keep hearing a lot about ponder and locker as a possible selection for us in the second

however, i haven't heard much about colin kaepernick from nevada...outside of cam and maybe locker, kaepernick might be one of the most athletic qb's to go in the top three rounds

from what i heard, he had a pretty good day at the senior bowl and the combine...any thoughts on him being a possible selection for us in the second or is he too much of a reach that early?

Posted by: AhsanFamily | March 8, 2011 8:51 AM | Report abuse

I CAN'T SAY IT MORE CLOG THE HOLE!

OFFENSIVE LINEMEN!

Posted by: shamken | March 8, 2011 8:49 AM

You can't say it more? Good. Let's hope not.

We're looking for offensive linemen who OPEN the hole, not clog it. We want defensive linemen who CLOG the whole. Got it?

Posted by: beep-beep | March 8, 2011 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Sheen, despite being an utter doosh, won and won going away. His show was the most profitable show on his entire network and his 2 mil per episode was actually chump change relative to what that show was taking in. Dude exceeded the hype.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 8, 2011 8:43 AM


Um, have you watched CBS programming? Poopy McPoop could probably overtake that show in the ratings compared to the crap they pass for TV...

In the interest of full disclosure, I've never been a Sheen fan...to me he's a mediocre actor who found a pretty good niche for himself. Congrats. But don't tell me he's anything approaching what he says he is. Wake me up when he can step out of his comfort zone and be any character on The Godfather or act in the same zip code as his father did on The West Wing.

Hell, Neil Patrick Harris is "winning" more than Sheen...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 8, 2011 8:58 AM | Report abuse

"Why is Snyder in these interviews? Actually, why is he even there with them? See, he still treats this team like his own little fantasy league. Dan Snyder, go away!!!"

Posted by: anw821 | March 8, 2011 7:28 AM

Leery as I am of Snyder being involved in any way, shape or form in on-field personnel decisions, I have to admit that if I was going to write a guy a check for millions of dollars, I'd probably want to talk to him first, too.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | March 8, 2011 9:00 AM | Report abuse

i haven't heard much about colin kaepernick from nevada...


Dynamic player.

Great arm.

Raw.

He, like a lot of these guys, is a great unknown.

One thing in his favor is that he, like a lot of these guys, will come into the NFL really understanding what it's like to have the weight of the entire offense on his shoulders: a advantage that critics of college spread quarterbacks too easily dismiss.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2011 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Ugh...anyone got a defibrillator for the blog? Sure hope they get a CBA this week so we can at least start talking about FA...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 8, 2011 8:27 AM | Report abuse

I know, but good thing we have themes! Today is Haiku Tuesday!!!

Posted by: monk811 | March 8, 2011 9:04 AM | Report abuse

And the most athletic, accurate, and sound-to me-are Ponder and Dalton.

Hopefully, one of those guys is selected by us next month.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2011 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Agreed on the athleticism and accuracy but the best part about these qbs is they arent first round locks. Although Ponder seems to be gaining a lot of momentum this off season. Wont be suprised if he slips in to the late first.
As ive said about Dalton that dude wins games. Thats bigger in my book then a lot of other peoples. Plus he seems to have his head on straight.
Locker just seems like the kind of QB that everyone always said would be an NFL lock. He hasn't shown that he has what it takes so far, this can happen when a qb is prematurely labeled. I would put Blaine Gabbert as this years Jake Locker.
Not to say they cant be NFL qbs but i havent seen why they are viewed in such high regard.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 8, 2011 9:06 AM | Report abuse

LeCrab-Dribble's Cleveland Cavaliers were 61-21 last year.

This year the Cavs are 12-50 so far.

Last year, without LeCrab, the Miami Heat was 47-35.

So far, the Heat are 43-20 this year.

The Heat would have to win all 19 of their remaining games this year just to match the record of last year's Cavs.

Is LeCrab still the runaway MVP?

Posted by: Alan4 | March 8, 2011 9:07 AM | Report abuse

No, my poops are the runaway MVP.

You know it.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 8, 2011 9:10 AM | Report abuse

One thing in his favor is that he, like a lot of these guys, will come into the NFL really understanding what it's like to have the weight of the entire offense on his shoulders: a advantage that critics of college spread quarterbacks too easily dismiss.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2011 9:03 AM | Report abuse

I'm about sick of people talking about his follow through, how his delivery needs to be tweeked!

I say leave it be. It's kinda hard to change something you've been doing your whole football career, and to be honest, those old habits will come back anyway when he's in the game and his mind is focused on reading the defense.

I wasn't a fan of Tebow doing it last year either!

Posted by: monk811 | March 8, 2011 9:11 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

...anyone got a defibrillator for the blog?


I was under the distinct impression that this is how folks wanted the blog to be.

Folks openly criticized anyone trying to be clever and funny and different and political and the end result is the dullness that is The Insider and not the free for all that was RI.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2011 9:12 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if they changed Snyders diaper before or after the interview.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 8, 2011 9:12 AM | Report abuse

I'm not a big fan of Tebow steaks either.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 8, 2011 9:13 AM | Report abuse

I know, but good thing we have themes! Today is Haiku Tuesday!!!

Posted by: monk811 | March 8, 2011 9:04 AM

On Haiku Tuesday
Monk did not follow the rule
Send in PlayAction

Posted by: beep-beep | March 8, 2011 9:14 AM | Report abuse

who said anything about lebram being the MVP???

thats short sighted at best...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 8, 2011 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Lebron ain't the MVP.

My poops are the runaway MVP. They're unstoppable.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 8, 2011 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I'm not a big fan of Tebow steaks either.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 8, 2011 9:13 AM

On Haiku Tuesday
PlayAction failed us big time
No Sock Puppet Day

Posted by: beep-beep | March 8, 2011 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: AhsanFamily | March 8, 2011 8:51 AM | Report abuse

As an athlete Colin is second to only Cam in this draft. As a QB in college running was his true calling card. This guys name is tossed around with Eric Couch and Tim Tebow, he is a TD machine on the ground.

Plus he has this HS baseball thing where he can throw 95 mph. That does nothing for me personally but a lot of people like to cite it.
Classic problem is this guy has a run first mentality. His senior year was the first year he had a 60% or better completion pct. Sam Bradford last year coming out had like a 70%.
He has shown in games that he can be a passer and certainly can take over any game and go off running or throwing, although he didn't face the toughest competeion in college.
Now you have the classic problem, can he be a NFL passer?
He would be a project that would take years of refining. The payoff could be big though.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 8, 2011 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Greg, not saying he should be MVP.... just acknowledging that he's won it the past 2 consecutive years and his name will come up in any serious discussion.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 8, 2011 9:19 AM | Report abuse

On Haiku Tuesday
PlayAction failed us big time
No Sock Puppet Day

Posted by: beep-beep | March 8, 2011 9:17 AM |

Haha...I'm no poet...and I know it...Fact-free Friday is my favorite day of the week.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 8, 2011 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Fact-free Friday is my favorite day of the week.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 8, 2011 9:19 AM

Your Fact-free Friday posts set a fast pace which no one up here except hessone can challenge. When newbies ask "what is fact-free Friday" we point them to your posts.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 8, 2011 9:36 AM | Report abuse

It's Haiku Tuesday!!!!!

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 9:36 AM | Report abuse

My poops are the runaway MVP. They're unstoppable.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 8, 2011 9:16 AM

Poopy's Self-Scouting Report: Explosive! Looked a bit sloppy in the upper half and seemed really heavy during the early part of the 2010 season before finally slimming down a bit toward the end of the year as his play finally picked up. A natural bender who coils up into his stance, fires off low and is a threat to consistently shoot gaps. Keeps his base down initially and likes to work his arm over in order to free himself inside. Good leverage on his bull rush and consistently overwhelming stench. Sudden on contact when asked to disengage.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 8, 2011 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Why oh why oh why is little Danny interviewing players?

This is embarrassing. The tiny tyrant just doesn't get it.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | March 8, 2011 9:42 AM | Report abuse

When newbies ask "what is fact-free Friday" we point them to your posts.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 8, 2011 9:36 AM

Perfect! Thank you???

Posted by: PlayAction | March 8, 2011 9:44 AM | Report abuse

I was under the distinct impression that this is how folks wanted the blog to be.

Folks openly criticized anyone trying to be clever and funny and different and political and the end result is the dullness that is The Insider and not the free for all that was RI.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2011 9:12 AM


Not sure where you're going witht that Moe...just sayin' that we could use a worthy topic. If the regular NFL offseason schedule were in play, we probably wouldn't have this issue. But without any transactions, we're reaching for stuff to talk about.

Truth be told, I'm just glad we're not seeing the same tired arguments resurfacing...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 8, 2011 9:48 AM | Report abuse

I'm not a big fan of Tebow steaks either.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 8, 2011 9:13 AM

On Haiku Tuesday
PlayAction failed us big time
No Sock Puppet Day


Posted by: beep-beep | March 8, 2011 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Beep-beep's Haiku's rock;
Puppets need to try harder,
Fry-guy won't beat me.

Posted by: monk811 | March 8, 2011 9:50 AM | Report abuse

shoulda resigned Pierce....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 8, 2011 9:50 AM | Report abuse

It's Haiku Tuesday!!!!!

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 9:36 AM

Not only is it Haiku Tuesday...but it's Fat Haiku Tuesday!!!!!

Posted by: PlayAction | March 8, 2011 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Poopy's Self-Scouting Report: Explosive! Looked a bit sloppy in the upper half and seemed really heavy during the early part of the 2010 season before finally slimming down a bit toward the end of the year as his play finally picked up. A natural bender who coils up into his stance, fires off low and is a threat to consistently shoot gaps. Keeps his base down initially and likes to work his arm over in order to free himself inside. Good leverage on his bull rush and consistently overwhelming stench. Sudden on contact when asked to disengage.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 8, 2011 9:38 AM
==================

You forgot to add that occasionally I like to make a big spash to make my presense known.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 8, 2011 9:54 AM | Report abuse

No reasonable person expected immediate success in Miamuh. You couldn't put MVP on LeBrahm for his performance on the Heat, but the fall of the Cavs may indicate it. Obviously, it doesn't happen that way.

btw - "EL Heat" in San Antonio?! Shouldn't it be "LOS Heat"

btbtw - Great blurb on the Lockout from Deadspin SFW douchies.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 8, 2011 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Now you have the classic problem, can he be a NFL passer?

That's an excellent point.

One thing I'd like to see them add to the combine is a 7-on-7 drill where q-backs, wrs have to move the ball downfield against coverage with no pass going more than 15 yards.

You'd get an idea of which quarterbacks have touch to all points on the field and quickly figure out who was better than whom.

But of course, that reason alone is why it'll never happen.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2011 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Shoot, Lebron in Miami is more overrated than Harold Miner was in Miami.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 8, 2011 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Report: NFL Film's Sabol Recovering From Seizure

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2011/03/08/sports/football/AP-FBN-Sabol-Hospitalized.html?ref=sports


Hope all is well, Sabol is a decent guy.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2011 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Deadspin and SiriusXM suddenly on the blocked list here at work...if PlayAction disappears one day you'll know why...f'ing commies...please tell hessone I said goodbye...and not to cry for me....

Posted by: PlayAction | March 8, 2011 10:03 AM | Report abuse

"however, i haven't heard much about colin kaepernick from nevada...outside of cam and maybe locker, kaepernick might be one of the most athletic qb's to go in the top three rounds"Posted by: AhsanFamily

Quite possibly the most athletic. Tall and fast, throws darts. Better at the Senior Bowl than the Combine.

Not a lot of touch, however. For the WCO, he's a good choice if he can learn to take something off the throws. Unlike college, he won't always be throwing to an open receiver.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 8, 2011 10:03 AM | Report abuse

For PA:

The NFLPA’s Nuclear Option Keeps Hopes For Football Alive


Barry Petchesky — Tucked neatly inside today's Monday Morning QB is Jim Trotter's report on the tense moments leading up to Thursday's original lockout deadline, and one player who — complete with throat-slashing gesture — jumped the gun on decertification. But what's most fascinating, as a seven-day extension ticks away, is that the players seem to hold the biggest bargaining chip.

Wrote Trotter:

With only five minutes to go before the union's deadline to decertify last Thursday — a move that might have obliterated the NFL as we know it today — a player walked into the negotiating room that included commissioner Roger Goodell, league attorney Jeff Pash, NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith and union president Kevin Mawae and declared: "We're done! We're decertifying."

[snip]

At that point the aforementioned player — whose name is being withheld because of the sensitivity of ongoing negotiations — walked into the room upstairs, tapped Mawae on the shoulder and made a quick hand-across-the-throat gesture while making his decertification declaration.

According to sources, the union had a member of its legal team on the phone with the clerk of the court in Minneapolis, where U.S. District Judge David Doty presides over the case. Cooler heads ultimately prevailed, and the league agreed to the first of two extensions.

The issue here is not who the anonymous player was (despite Pro Football Talk devoting many words to an educated guess of Drew Brees). The issue here is just how powerful decertification is as a weapon. The players know it, and you're damn right the league knows it.

The crux is this: if the union decertifies before the CBA expires, the players would bring an antitrust case in the event of a lockout. That case would be heard by Judge David Doty, who's already taken the players' side in one crucial decision.

That would explain our unnamed player's pantomiming a mortal blow, and it would explain Patriots owner Robert Kraft's attempt to head off decertification "by striking a point he has repeated through the process, that it was 'time to the get the lawyers out of the room' and 'let the business people do a deal.'"

Smell that? That's fear, fear that a federal judge may not see things the way the owners want us to see them. Sense that? The fact that for once, the players have leverage on their side. All those reports throughout the seas

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 8, 2011 10:07 AM | Report abuse

No reasonable person expected immediate success in Miamuh....

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 8, 2011 9:56 AM

If you don't consider any of the national pundits reasonable. A fair number of people immediately compared them to the Jordan/Pippen/Rodman Bulls teams.

Whenever I watch LeCrab and the Heat, Denny Green's voice rings in my head: "If you want to crown their ass, then crown them!"

Posted by: Alan4 | March 8, 2011 10:09 AM | Report abuse

good analysis from you guys about kaepernick...i was wondering why he wasn't getting as much hype as the other qb's coming out in the draft this year

sounds like he has all the tools to be a pretty decent qb in the nfl, and all he needs is some good coaching (possibly kyle and mike are those guys to help him develop)

do you guys think he is worth a second round pick or would you rather see the skins make a move for him if he slips into the third

Posted by: AhsanFamily | March 8, 2011 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Anyone ever taken a poop at FedEx before?

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 8, 2011 10:18 AM | Report abuse

"He hasn't shown that he has what it takes so far, this can happen when a qb is prematurely labeled. I would put Blaine Gabbert as this years Jake Locker.Not to say they cant be NFL qbs but i havent seen why they are viewed in such high regard.Posted by: Stu27"

Well, Locker and Gabbert are very talented guys. They're both as fast as Cam Newton and both are more scramblers than runners (unlike Cam). Gabbert is taller than Jake but Locker is plenty big enough to play the position.

Weirdly, Locker may actually be better prepared for the pros because he spent the last difficult year under Steve Sarkisian, who is very good at prepping QBs for the pro set.

Here are the real questions about each of the QBs, IMO:

Gabbert: good scrambler, but can he backpedal? Footwork very different for a guy who spent his career in the shotgun.

Locker: he's much more accurate outside the pocket. He's bigger and stronger than the young Michael Vick but not so fast. Vick also had trouble operating inside.

Newton: two problems. First, he didn't really play QB at Auburn -- fully half his plays were runs -- more than Tebow had at Florida. Second, he's not all that fast. Won't outrun DBs and many LBs in the NFL.

Dalton: game manager, technician -- not a big-time athlete. Could start, could end up career reserve. Will get drafted higher because of college record, but that doesn't carry over to the pros.

Mallett: pressure up the middle -- didn't handle it very well in college. He looks like Roethlisberger out there, but Ben is outstanding at throwing under pressure.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 8, 2011 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Did it say which plays he takes off? If we knew that we could just put a sub in for those plays...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 8, 2011 3:28 AM | Report abuse

In the game I saw against NORFOLK STATE back in October, he dominated, but his push on third down seemed less intense than the first two downs to me. And sometimes he pursued on running plays away from his side [this happened a lot], and sometimes he didn't. It seemed to me that became more frequent as the game went on. A lack of conditioning maybe.?

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 8, 2011 10:21 AM | Report abuse

do you guys think he is worth a second round pick or would you rather see the skins make a move for him if he slips into the third


We really don't need a 'project quarterback,' so no, I'm not interested in drafting Kaepernack.

I like the guys who are the closest to being finished products--Mallett, Ponder, Dalton, Stanzi.

Newton and Gabbert, by all rights, should remain in school, but the money grab has pulled then out when another year would make them better paid.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2011 10:23 AM | Report abuse

do you guys think he is worth a second round pick or would you rather see the skins make a move for him if he slips into the third

Posted by: AhsanFamily | March 8, 2011 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Thats about where i would put him He is without question an NFL project qb. However in this draft there is some real depth on the D side. Early in round two your looking at a good amount of players that would be expected starters on defense.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 8, 2011 10:23 AM | Report abuse

do you guys think he is worth a second round pick or would you rather see the skins make a move for him if he slips into the third

Posted by: AhsanFamily | March 8, 2011 10:15 AM | Report abuse

A trade or something? I'm sure you know we have no third this year.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 8, 2011 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Dik, interesting...crazy that some peeps think the owners hold all the cards...but don't wanna drag out that boring discussion again today.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 8, 2011 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Obviously trading down to a mid/late first and getting this guy would be ideal. Especially if if nets a 3 and 4 or am extra 2.

The only thing that makes me skeptical is that we are showing such overt interest. I have seen Shanahan run too many drafts where he openly courts guys he does not want, and drafts players he never speaks to.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 7, 2011 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 8, 2011 10:25 AM | Report abuse

do you guys think he is worth a second round pick or would you rather see the skins make a move for him if he slips into the third

Posted by: AhsanFamily | March 8, 2011 10:15 AM | Report abuse

A trade or something? I'm sure you know we have no third this year.

yup what i mean is to trade into the third round...i know we have no third and fourth

Posted by: AhsanFamily | March 8, 2011 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Bad news for the sweater vested one. Possibly damaging to sweater vest wearers everywhere:

"If Tressel knew of his players’ dealings and did not share the information with his school’s compliance department, he could face severe NCAA sanctions. He also could lose his job, according to his contract with the school. Further, the Buckeyes could be forced to vacate or forfeit its 2010 Big Ten and Sugar Bowl championship seasons for using known ineligible players."

He may have know about players including Pryor selling gear around town. Its a big no-no if you dont report possible violations to your compliance department.

Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/feed/2010-12/osu-suspensions/story/terrelle-pryor-responds-to-report-about-ohio-state-violations#ixzz1G1OIo1Z6

Posted by: Stu27 | March 8, 2011 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Anyone ever taken a poop at FedEx before?

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 8, 2011 10:18 AM | Report abuse

No, but the team does every home game!

Posted by: monk811 | March 8, 2011 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Derrick Rose for MVP. At least the Heat have finally figured it out. Everyone outside of the Miami fan base hates them and wants them to lose. What do they expect with the ego maniacal free agency tour, the decision and their stupid introduction dancing around saying they were going to win not 1, not 2 not 3 etc etc.

I am hoping Marcel Dareus or Von Miller fall into our lap somehow. I would prefer front 7 on D to be targeted but won't complain with AJ Green or Julio Jones either. No to QB in round 1.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | March 8, 2011 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Whenever I watch LeCrab and the Heat, Denny Green's voice rings in my head: "If you want to crown their ass, then crown them!"

Posted by: Alan4 | March 8, 2011 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Are you a closet WIZARDS fan? The famous crab-dribble game is in your lexicon. Another oldie but goody, "LeTRAVEL."

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 8, 2011 10:29 AM | Report abuse

He may have know about players including Pryor selling gear around town.


Talk about hypocrisy.

The NCAA can sell a football jersey with T Pryor's name on the back, but Terrelle Pryor can't sell his own jersey with his name on the back.

Why is that?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2011 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Alan, those teams were not immediate overnight successes. It took a season or two.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 8, 2011 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Up until the judge threw out the TV money, they did, PA. Now things are leaning NFLPA side.

Very interesting.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 8, 2011 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Alan, those teams were not immediate overnight successes. It took a season or two.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 8, 2011 10:37 AM

No argument here. The main difference is those teams weren't overly hyped until AFTER they won championships.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 8, 2011 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Why is that?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2011 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Ohhhh no doubt.
Then the argument, but they get a free education.

Well the school get to builds a freaking stadium.
Assistant coaches make upwards of millions a year, assistants.
And the peeps putting life and limb on the line get the shaft end.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 8, 2011 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Anyone ever taken a poop at FedEx before?

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 8, 2011 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Amazingly no...I was always worried about it though...you would think it would have to happen eventually after roughly 125 games...but I was always sure to take the appropriate precautions prior to gamedays.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 8, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Oh yea players get a weekly stipend too. I have a feeling that aint proper compensation for someone like Eric Legrand...

Posted by: Stu27 | March 8, 2011 10:48 AM | Report abuse

On Haiku Tuesday
PlayAction failed us big time
No Sock Puppet Day


Posted by: beep-beep | March 8, 2011 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Beep-beep's Haiku's rock;
Puppets need to try harder,
Fry-guy won't beat me.

Posted by: monk811 | March 8, 2011 9:50 AM

At last an answer
how many syllables are
in zcezcest1

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 8, 2011 10:52 AM | Report abuse

"There are questions about his work ethic, however, and one criticism about him is that he appeared to take some plays off at times."

He'll fit right in!

Posted by: kone | March 8, 2011 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Teams get too caught up in whether a guy who is projected by magazines and draftniks to go in the 20's can or should be drafted at #10.

If Phil Taylor fits the 3-4 NT role the Redskins feel is necessary for the defense to be successful and Haslett thinks Taylor can perform at a pro bowl level in the NFL over time, then the Redskins should have no qualms about taking him at #10.

The Steelers took Casey Hampton in Round 1 to solidify their 3-4 defense at NT.

Ditto for the Packers with Raji.

And if I am not mistaken Haynesworth was a mid #1 pick at DT as well by TN.

Forget all the hype about 'we gotta take a skill player at #10'.........

The Redskins to their detriment have done just that over the past decade in Round 1 with Carlos Rogers, LaRon Landry, Jason Campbell, Patrick Ramsey, Rod Gardner, etc.

What this team needs first and foremost is strength and depth on the OL and DL.

The only position I would consider drafting other than OL or DL #1 is QB.

And this year the ranks of the quarterbacks is not filled with 'can't miss' prospects, so I say pass.

About the wide receivers and running backs - that's what free agency is for.

You get these players the way that Atlanta got Michael Turner and Tony Gonzalez.

Spend the draft picks on the lines.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | March 8, 2011 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Why is that?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2011 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I think you are asking rhetorically but the answer IMO is a combination of hypocrisy and fear of an easily exploited loophole.

Obviously if the NCAA were to allow this then all star college athletes would receive cases of jerseys when they arrive on campus. They would the proceed to run online jersey fulfillment websites shipping autographed uniforms out all year at $150 a pop.

It would be the wild west trying to control the cash they'd be getting.

Of course in the SEC it already is the wild west.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 8, 2011 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Scouts whining:

"There are questions about his work ethic, however, and one criticism about him is that he appeared to take some plays off at times."


If you ever notice, the worries the scouts have about players click in after they've established themselves in the league.

As rookies, these guys all go out of their way to set themselves up as NFL players.

Buut once they've collect a few duckies, they revert into whatever it was they were going to be without the money and the fame.

Some guys rise up.

Some guys fall.

But they are rarely as bad as the scouts and draftniks make them out to be.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2011 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Did it say which plays he takes off? If we knew that we could just put a sub in for those plays...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 8, 2011 3:28 AM | Report abuse

In the game I saw against NORFOLK STATE back in October, he dominated, but his push on third down seemed less intense than the first two downs to me. And sometimes he pursued on running plays away from his side [this happened a lot], and sometimes he didn't. It seemed to me that became more frequent as the game went on. A lack of conditioning maybe.?

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 8, 2011 10:21 AM
------------------------------------------
Sounds like it, but it also could have been not understanding the play. The guy doesn't sound polished enough to be a first round pick. Maybe if he is still hanging around in the second round...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 8, 2011 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I am hoping Marcel Dareus or Von Miller fall into our lap somehow. I would prefer front 7 on D to be targeted but won't complain with AJ Green or Julio Jones either. No to QB in round 1.Posted by: ToddStinkston"

Not much danger of Dareus or Miller lasting until 10. Unless they get hurt. Green or Jones quite possibly. They might (just might) find a taker for that 10th pick and move down with an extra pick. Depends on who's there when 10 rolls around. In 2010 it was Tyson Alualu. Could well be one of those QBs or a D-lineman.

Last year the trades started with the 11th pick. Chicago traded it plus a couple others and Kyle Orton to Denver for Jay Cutler and a 5th, which they used on WR Johnny Knox.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 8, 2011 11:06 AM | Report abuse

At last an answer
how many syllables are
in zcezcest1

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 8, 2011 10:52 AM | Report abuse

That's a great question,
Looks like there's 4 to me, but
I'm no Nerd like Play!

hahaha

Posted by: monk811 | March 8, 2011 11:08 AM | Report abuse

So do you object to the team? or the Hype.

...aaaaand SCENE.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 8, 2011 11:08 AM | Report abuse

The NCAA can sell a football jersey with T Pryor's name on the back, but Terrelle Pryor can't sell his own jersey with his name on the back.

Why is that?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2011 10:33 AM |

Actually they can't. They can sell the number but NCAA regulations state that current players can not be on jerseys

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 8, 2011 11:12 AM | Report abuse

I'm no Nerd like Play!

hahaha

Posted by: monk811 | March 8, 2011 11:08 AM

Since when did NERD become Nerd?

The correct answer is two.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 8, 2011 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I'm not really worried about the Skins 1st round draft pick. That pick has produced solid contributers for the Skins most of the time over the past decade: Trent Williams, Brian Orakpo, Laron Landry, J Campbell, C Rogers, Sean Taylor, Pat Ramsey, Rod Gardner, Chris Samuels, LaVar Arrington, Champ Bailey.

Other than Ramsey and possibly Gardner, not too much to complain about in that group--and more than a few legitimate stars.

The problem comes in the 2nd & 3rd rounds, and free agency. That's where we're too often failing to add contributers to the team.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 8, 2011 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Stagnant statues stand
In Limbo I wait on edge
I must hit refresh

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 11:19 AM | Report abuse

The correct answer is two.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 8, 2011 11:14 AM


No, sad sock puppet,
the aircraft carrier guy,
"zcezest1," is pronounced "zeke"

Posted by: beep-beep | March 8, 2011 11:30 AM | Report abuse

No, sad sock puppet,
the aircraft carrier guy,
"zcezest1," is pronounced "zeke"

Posted by: beep-beep | March 8, 2011 11:30 AM

What more can I say
Play is having a bad day
Guess I'll crap at FedEx

Posted by: PlayAction | March 8, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Guess I'll crap at FedEx

Posted by: PlayAction | March 8, 2011 11:36 AM

That's not a good plan
Snyder's bottom line allows
No toilet paper

Posted by: beep-beep | March 8, 2011 11:40 AM | Report abuse

You guys are ruining Haiku Tuesday.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 11:43 AM | Report abuse

His name?: Percy Harvin.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 7, 2011 9:07 PM

That name rings a bell
With bells ringing in his head
Migraine headache bell

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2011 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Aren't Mallett and Newton having pro-day today?

If so did the Redskins send scouts?

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 11:45 AM | Report abuse

You guys are ruining Haiku Tuesday.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 11:43 AM

Hey, factor in our outstanding performance on Fact-Free Friday and it brings our average up to mediocre. Haiku Tuesday's going down when Glee and American Idol come on tonight, anyway. Can't wait!

Posted by: beep-beep | March 8, 2011 11:47 AM | Report abuse

At last an answer
how many syllables are
in zcezcest1

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 8, 2011 10:52 AM

Its 5-7-5
So you need to start over
Haikuing pwns math

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2011 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Hey, factor in our outstanding performance on Fact-Free Friday and it brings our average up to mediocre. Haiku Tuesday's going down when Glee and American Idol come on tonight, anyway. Can't wait!

Posted by: beep-beep | March 8, 2011 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Co-sign on the Glee/Idol tandem.

I can't wait either.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 11:49 AM | Report abuse

girlfriends birthday is
tomorrow, but what to do
I need your, gasp, help

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 8, 2011 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Good job rhyming Play,
But beep participating?
Must be snow in Hell!

Posted by: monk811 | March 8, 2011 11:52 AM | Report abuse

That's not a good plan
Snyder's bottom line allows
No toilet paper

Posted by: beep-beep | March 8, 2011 11:40 AM

Chinese food for lunch
It won't be necessary
I better hurry

Posted by: PlayAction | March 8, 2011 11:53 AM | Report abuse

girlfriends birthday is
tomorrow, but what to do
I need your, gasp, help

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 8, 2011 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Japanese Poem
Saki and sushi tonight
Give her a Haiku

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Co-sign on the Glee/Idol tandem.

I can't wait either.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 11:49 AM

You and me. We'll be blogging our guts out when the Warblers sing. Right?

Posted by: beep-beep | March 8, 2011 11:53 AM | Report abuse

You and me. We'll be blogging our guts out when the Warblers sing. Right?

Posted by: beep-beep | March 8, 2011 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I'm not a fan of the Warblers. The main guy is such a diva, and tries to steal the thunder from everyone else.

BOOOOOOO Warblers!

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Depends on who's there when 10 rolls around. In 2010 it was Tyson Alualu. Could well be one of those QBs or a D-lineman.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 8, 2011 11:06 AM

Some teams will brain fart
Some "who?" like Alualu
Stud will fall to Skins

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2011 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Haiku Tuesday is exhausting.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 8, 2011 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like girls night out
With Glee and Idol on, but
What color's your dress?

Posted by: monk811 | March 8, 2011 11:59 AM | Report abuse

girlfriends birthday is
tomorrow, but what to do
I need your, gasp, help

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 8, 2011 11:51 AM

Maybe something brief
Not six posts of others' thoughts
Be short and unique

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2011 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Somewhere, Asian poets are turning over in their rice-strewn graves.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2011 12:03 PM | Report abuse

The following would be ideal in my opinion..comments are encouraged:

somehow, arizona decides to draft a QB and von miller falls to us at 10

then we go with phil taylor at 41, let rogers walk, get nnamdi at the right price and try to get cullen jenkins

then maybe if fat al gets his sh!t together and plays DE that will give us taylor, jenkins, haynesworth, orakpo, fletch, rocky, miller, hall, nnamdi, landry, atogwe...sounds like a solid 3-4.. one can dream

Posted by: zorn_sucks | March 8, 2011 12:04 PM | Report abuse

How did the meeting with Andre Davis go?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2011 12:04 PM | Report abuse

zorn_sucks


...and you're satisfied with Rex Grossman as our starting quarterback this year and next then, right?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2011 12:07 PM | Report abuse

girlfriends birthday is
tomorrow, but what to do
I need your, gasp, help

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 8, 2011 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Depends on her mood,
You've been good: cheap, You've been bad,
DIAMOND NECKLACE. Broke!

Posted by: monk811 | March 8, 2011 12:07 PM | Report abuse

MOE, im one of the few who believe mcnabb stays..i think we get dalton in the 5th and he develops under him

Posted by: zorn_sucks | March 8, 2011 12:11 PM | Report abuse

...and you're satisfied with Rex Grossman as our starting quarterback this year and next then, right?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2011 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Hey, he's trying to fix the team in one year. Let him go he's on a roll!!! We'll be losing wild card games in no time.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 8, 2011 12:12 PM | Report abuse

zorn_sucks

...and you're satisfied with Rex Grossman as our starting quarterback this year and next then, right?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2011 12:07 PM | Report abuse

That's not a very good Haiku Moe, try a little harder!

Posted by: monk811 | March 8, 2011 12:13 PM | Report abuse

not trying to fix the team in one year..so would anyone here be upset if this is what are D looked like next year..NO

Posted by: zorn_sucks | March 8, 2011 12:17 PM | Report abuse

We'll be losing wild card games in no time.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 8, 2011 12:12 PM

Somewhere other than Seattle please...long flights after a loss really really suck.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 8, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I hear ya Zorn sucks. Thats a solid close to best case scenario for our 3-4 D.
I dont really have a prob enough with Rogers to let him go unless he just wants way to much. Whoever gets Awsom-o is going to have to break the bank.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 8, 2011 12:20 PM | Report abuse

im one of the few who believe mcnabb stays..i think we get dalton in the 5th and he develops under him


That would be one hell of a reconciliation.

And I think McNabb factors more in how we get our next new starter than in being the new starter.

You could offer DM5 as a trading chip in an attempt to move down AND acquire an additional pick.

We'll see.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse

How did the meeting with Andre Davis go?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2011 12:04 PM
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He failed the physical. Apparently the rumors were true - he couldn't even carry Moss' jock strap.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 8, 2011 12:27 PM | Report abuse

The Skins 3-4 defense was a disaster last year? Why keep trying the same SAS

If it is ridiculous it’s a guarantee the Skins will try it.

It is like they have a dominant retarded gene incorporated in their thinking.

Posted by: dc4life | March 8, 2011 12:28 PM | Report abuse

We'll be losing wild card games in no time.

That's why I hate Wild Cards.

They're such Jokers.


(INSERT bad pun groan.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2011 12:29 PM | Report abuse

coin toss beeps

Posted by: frediefritz | March 8, 2011 12:37 PM | Report abuse

"The following would be ideal in my opinion..comments are encouraged: somehow, arizona decides to draft a QB and von miller falls to us at 10. then we go with phil taylor at 41, let rogers walk, get nnamdi at the right price and try to get cullen jenkins. then maybe if fat al gets his sh!t together and plays DE that will give us taylor, jenkins, haynesworth, orakpo, fletch, rocky, miller, hall, nnamdi, landry, atogwe...sounds like a solid 3-4.. one can dream"

Posted by: zorn_sucks | March 8, 2011 12:04 PM

I would love for this scenario to take place, if for no other reason than to drive Sam Huff and other announcers batty by pairing Oshiomoghu Atogwe and Nnamdi Asomugha in the same defensive backfield.

I can't decide which is least likely, though: Miller falling to us at 10, Taylor lasting until 41, getting Asomugha at a reasonable price, or Haynesworthless giving us his all at DE in the 3-4. . . OK, it's Haynesworthless playing effectively and consistantly in the 3-4. As you say, though, a guy can dream . . .

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | March 8, 2011 12:47 PM | Report abuse

3-4 needs are great
Defense talent high this year
Grab it while we can.

Posted by: pyrotech | March 8, 2011 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I'd prefer this:

Adam Carriker
Phil Taylor (more likely Stephen Paea)
Jeremy Jarmon(Big Al on passing downs)

Von Miller (more likely Robert Quinn)
London Fletcher
Perry Riley
Brian Orakpo

Deangelo Hall
LaRon Landry
OJ Otogwe
Carlos Rogers

This lineup cost about 15 million a year less than yours and it's a lot younger. It's probably just as effective.

Rocky was terrible at ILB. Could Riley be much worse?

Cullen Jenkins and Haynesworth are both RDEs so you'd be playing one of them out of position and you'd be benching Adam Carriker.

Carlos didn't get beat a whole lot last year anyway so why break the bank for Asomoaugh? The more pressure we get up front the less we're going to need a shutdown corner anyway.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 8, 2011 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Why is Dan Snyder still participating in player interviews? That is the real news story here.

Posted by: timchadwick | March 8, 2011 1:06 PM | Report abuse

"Also at the combine, Taylor had a group interview with Redskins officials including coach Mike Shanahan, defensive coordinator Jim Haslett, owner Daniel Snyder and general manager Bruce Allen, according Schaffer."

Poor guy. After that interview he must be hoping and praying that some other team pick him.

Posted by: 44fx2901 | March 8, 2011 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I forgot Chris Ponder. A classic second round developmental QB. Also played a lot from the shotgun, also very mobile, but his arm is ordinary. You wouldn't have the upside as you would with Kaepernick.

The real risk pick is usually the one-year wonder. Vince Young struggled, Sam Bradford turned out fine. I'm pretty sure Cam Newton shouldn't be drafted before, say, the 20th pick.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 8, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I'm surprised to see anybody mentioning Ricky Stanzi before the 3rd round. He was unorthodox even in college. Some great performances along with some very uninspiring ones. A comeback QB who often puts his team in a hole to being with. If I had to compare him to somebody in the past two drafts, it's probably Stephen McGee who went to the Cowboys.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 8, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

@Samson151, PAskinsfan17- There sure is some wishful thinking on this thread huh?

I know what I want to happen, but realistically, nine other teams are picking in front of us.

We all know we need OL/DL like a mutha, but our draft positioning may dictate not taking either until we use our later picks.

I keep reading trade down, but with whom? The 7 or 8 teams behind us are in the same boat.

So, I'm training my mind to be cool with any pick other than Cam Newton who I consider to be the riskiest pick in the draft.

In my mind, we take Ryan Mallett.

I keep reading where some guys consider Mallett to be like Roethlisberger.

They haven't watched him then.

A more apt comparison for Mallett is Drew Bledsoe or more recently Matt Schaub.

Mallett walks into the NFL already a better PASSER than Roethlisberger. Roethlisberger is a better PLAYMAKER than Mallett.

He's tall with a big arm and slow feet because, IMO, at a listed 253lbs, he's too damned heavy. He reads defenses fairly well, he knows how to manipulate the secondary/safety and he'll fire the ball.

If Mallett is there at 10, which he should be-take him, there's nothing else wrong with him, other than the media deciding that he was going to be the "troubled" player this year.

This young man is a true blue-chip franchise QB, IMO.

All that needs to be done with Mallett is to get him to play at 225-235lbs instead of 250-260.

The criticism that he gets rattled with pressure in his face/doesn't handle pressure up the middle well....that can apply to all QBs. This kid isn't Tarvaris Jackson, jumping around like a rabbit everytime there's a free blitzer. Watch the tape-Mallett is a young QB that tries to force a pass when he senses pressure instead of eating the ball and makes a bad decision, again, young QB stuff.

The way the media has it, you would think the kid absolutely falls to pieces in the face of a rush, that isn't true-he wouldn't be top prospect were that the case.

But think Drew Bledsoe...only bigger at 6'7 vs 6'5 and with only a need to lose some weight, all the other tools are there.

My back-up choices Mark Ingram, Alabama RB, Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin OL, Mike Pouncey.

Only a foolish franchise would talk themselves out of picking him as many of these teams are doing, they will be rueful.

Some folks (myself included) had the Shanahans looking at Locker and that may be true, but Shanahan the Younger also worked with Matt Schaub and Mallett is in that mold.

Redskins pick at #10- Ryan Mallett.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | March 8, 2011 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Taylor is huge and talented, but sometimes lazy and definitely not worth the No. 10 pick. Grab a stud OLB or WR (there also isn't an OL worth getting taken that high) and grab Paea later.

Posted by: DC2Dallas | March 8, 2011 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Hey guys look Takes plays off??? Look at Casey Hampton he takes plays off and still does a heck of a job. we need to draft that qb or rb or wr in the 1st and get to work on defense and o-line in the draft

Posted by: bert3 | March 11, 2011 4:49 PM | Report abuse

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