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DeAngelo Hall: Mike Shanahan wins over Redskins' players with 'presence'

I caught up with top cornerback DeAngelo Hall the other day after he finished working out and watching film with his position group at Redskins Park, and it's fair to say he has totally bought into Coach Mike Shanahan's program.

Hall was impressed with Shanahan's opening address to the team as the voluntary offseason conditioning program began at Redskins Park. And Hall expressed confidence Shanahan is the right person to restore the Redskins to prominence.

"Coach Shanahan has a plan for how he wants us to play and represent this organization," Hall said in a phone interview. "Get your work in, get ready and then just go out and play football. It's all about getting the Redskins back on track."

Hall, who took in the NASCAR race over the weekend, was among many veterans frustrated last season because of the team's poor play and off-the-field chaos, and Shanahan has quickly shown the Redskins what it's like "to have a coach who has that respect because of what he's accomplished in this league," Hall said. "Guys talk about presence. Coach Shanahan has that presence because of the Super Bowls and everything else he's done, and I think guys were waiting to have a coach like that here in Washington."

The Redskins signed Hall during the 2008 season after the Oakland Raiders surprisingly released the two-time Pro Bowler just months after trading second- and fifth-round draft picks to the Atlanta Falcons for him, then signed him to a seven-year, $70 million contract. Washington wanted Hall for his playmaking ability, and he impressed in a seven-game audition in '08, prompting the team to give him a $55-million contract with roughly $23 million guaranteed. In 13 games last season, Hall led the Redskins with four interceptions and averaged 28.5 yards on those returns.

Shanahan and defensive coordinator Jim Haslett are in the process of installing a 3-4 base defense, scrapping the 4-3 scheme the team used for years under former defensive coordinators Gregg Williams and Greg Blache. Shanahan wants more turnovers and believes the 3-4 will help make it happen, and that's great news to Hall.

"Some stuff will be a little different up front, but as far as the back end, it's not going to change much," Hall said. "We're starting to put in stuff. Yeah, the words might say something different, but the responsibility is not going to change much.

"What we're doing, it's just going to give me and the other guys in the secondary a chance to make plays. It'll give us a chance to get more turnovers. That's the type of defense Coach Shanahan wants us to be. That's great. That's the way I love to play."

By Jason Reid  |  March 22, 2010; 9:15 AM ET
Categories:  3-4 defense , Jason Reid , Mike Shanahan  
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Comments

I think we can officially say that DeAngelo Hall has a serious man crush on Mike Shanahan.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 22, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

from D Hall,

"What we're doing, it's just going to give me and the other guys in the secondary a chance to make plays. It'll give us a chance to get more turnovers."


The 'turnovers' issue is why we support the change.

Last year, the skins D got the sacks, but not the occasional shortened field or defensive touchdown that helps poor offense that comes from turnovers.

A new theme to our thinking should be that sacks, good, turnovers, better.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 22, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Greg, consider this from your favorite website, PFT:

"Any displeasure between the two sides about Haynesworth's role has been aired, according to Reid.

'There are no secrets between Haynesworth and the Redskins regarding Haynesworth's feelings about the new defense and his role in it,' Reid wrote last week."

Seems to me at a minimum, grievances were aired. Just because they weren't contentious doesn't mean Haynesworth is a fan of the 3-4 switch or that he's anxious to play in it.

I think he'll do what he normal does when he's not in a contract year: underachieve. And if you can unload that guy right away without a cap consequence, I'd do it.

Not saying it's gonna happen, but I'm just saying I would love for it to happen.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 22, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

First of all the title of this thread is suggestive. How do you get "I wished I liked him more" and "it would be hard for me [to take him]" as Jimmy Clausen isn't worth the No. 4 pick.

Washington Post = Drama Promoters = Beef Cookers

Posted by: RedDMV | March 22, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse


Agreed.

I think HOlmes chose his words carefully. He did not say "Clausen isn't worth a high pick". Quite the opposite. He said he thinks Clausen will go high. All he said was that he (himself) wished he liked him more.

I think this is a subtely overt way of sending a signal to other teams that may want to draft Clausen at #7, that the Browns are ready to trade the pick if the right offer comes - probably for more draft picks given the rebuilding project needed in Cleveland.

Posted by: p1funk | March 22, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

As the old ZEN-master said, we'll see. So far the new organization has created some problems on defense with the proposed change to a 3-4. Of course depending on FA, trades, and the draft, SHANAHAN may decide to wait a spell on the transition.

He surely must look at his offensive side of the ball first. QB, o-line are definite problem areas. Just when you felt safe to come out for CLAUSEN, this article makes you return to your original feelings about the young man.

Or not. Maybe HOLMGREN is trying to get JC to fall into the #7 slot without having to trade up to get him. Who's knows besides the "Shadow?"

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 22, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

I think we can officially say that DeAngelo Hall has a serious man crush on Mike Shanahan.

Posted by: RedDMV

No doubt about it....

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 22, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Shanny = "presence"

Zorny = "squawking parrot perched on Snerrato's shoulder"

Posted by: p1funk | March 22, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

brown, "Haynesworth, however, has not commented publicly on his situation"

until he does, then everything else is mere speculation....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 22, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Or not. Maybe HOLMGREN is trying to get JC to fall into the #7 slot without having to trade up to get him. Who's knows besides the "Shadow?"

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 22, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse


Highly doubt it.

Other NFL GMs aren;t going to suddenly drop Clausen's value just because Holmes said he "doesn't like him".

THe only people dumb and insecure enough to hang on Holmes' words like this are Kiper, McShay and Banks.

Holmes wants to trade out of the #7, and any of the teams looking to take Clausen at that spot are welcome to make offers...

Posted by: p1funk | March 22, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

I agree Okung and Bradford will likely be gone when the Skins pick. I think it is wishful thinking they will find someone willing to trade up at that point though. You just can't count on that.

Which begs the question: How much of a drop-off is Balauga (sp?) from Okung? Are they even in the same galaxy?

Is Balauga more of a reach than Clausen?

Posted by: McMetal | March 22, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Bulaga doesn't have the elite lateral movement that Okung has. Bulaga is a really great run blocker though. I think if Okung is gone we may choose to take Trent Williams instead. Trent is more athletic than Bulaga. The only problem with Trent is some game film from earlier this year. He got beat pretty bad by some mediocre pass rushers. I don't know if he was injured or what. He was seen as an elite propsect before that and many still consider him to be an elite prospect but for a brief time he was considered a right tackle only option. The combine proved he does have the athleticism to be a left tackle. I could see us taking him at #4.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 22, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Hello.. Campbell??? Talk about a guy who puts up ok numbers but can't win the big games... And he's IN THE PROS!!! Will Clausen be clutch in the pros? I don't know.. but we do know Campbell is NOT!!! Look there's always a risk in a draft.. but most say there are only 2 blue chip QB's.. Bradford and Clausen.. Bradford will probably be gone.. so Clausen is our best chance to get a franchise QB. He's worth the risk..

Posted by: sovine08

I think Campbell won a national championship, or at least a share of it while Auburn.

Clausen did not.


Campbell also threw passes to Anthony "Ped-A-File" Mix while at Auburn. Clausen did not.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 22, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Hello.. Campbell??? Talk about a guy who puts up ok numbers but can't win the big games... And he's IN THE PROS!!! Will Clausen be clutch in the pros? I don't know.. but we do know Campbell is NOT!!! Look there's always a risk in a draft.. but most say there are only 2 blue chip QB's.. Bradford and Clausen.. Bradford will probably be gone.. so Clausen is our best chance to get a franchise QB. He's worth the risk..

Posted by: sovine08 | March 22, 2010 9:26 AM


So let me get this straight...you say Clausen is like Campbell (who you clearly hate) and you'd take him because he's the "best chance to get a franchise QB"? Really? So you don't like the guy we drafted to be "franchise QB" at #25 but taking a guy with a similar story at #4 overall will make it better?

Pass.

Franchise QB does NOT equal drafting a guy in the top 5. If that were true, the Bengals would be adding Akili Smith to their ring of fame by now.

All indications are that the '11 draft will have a better crop of QBs. I'll take my QB then if LeFevour is gone in the 4th round.

You need to get off the Campbell hate and come join the rest of us in reality, dude.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 22, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

According to Pro Football Focus, here are the rankings of Redskins cornerbacks last year based on at least 100 plays.
CB Rogers 67/140
CB Tryon 89/140
CB Smoot 95/140
CB Hall 106/140
Still think Hall is a "top" cornerback?

Posted by: alanb1231 | March 22, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone else here think that D. Hall needs to shut his yap, stop brown-nosing the coaching staff, and concentrate on actually becoming as good a CB as he thinks he is? Improving his tackling would be a good first step.

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 22, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Or not. Maybe HOLMGREN is trying to get JC to fall into the #7 slot without having to trade up to get him. Who's knows besides the "Shadow?"

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 22, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse


Highly doubt it.

Other NFL GMs aren;t going to suddenly drop Clausen's value just because Holmes said he "doesn't like him".

THe only people dumb and insecure enough to hang on Holmes' words like this are Kiper, McShay and Banks.

Holmes wants to trade out of the #7, and any of the teams looking to take Clausen at that spot are welcome to make offers...

Posted by: p1funk | March 22, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

pfunkz:

Are you the "shadow?"

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 22, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

"Haynesworth, however, has not commented publicly on his situation"

until he does, then everything else is mere speculation....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 22, 2010 9:36 AM


I can respect that...we rely on speculation and hearsay to get our "inside" information, so that's all I'm going on at this point.

Even if there's a hint that Haynesworth could be a problem, I'd get rid of him before it comes to a head...because once it does, any trade value he has (if he has any at all) will be gone.

Again...not saying it'll happen, just hoping it does.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 22, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

I think he'll do what he normal does when he's not in a contract year: underachieve. And if you can unload that guy right away without a cap consequence, I'd do it.
Not saying it's gonna happen, but I'm just saying I would love for it to happen.
Posted by: brownwood26 | March 22, 2010 9:31 AM

Dude, you are starting to fall back into your cynical ways. You would love to have them pay Haynesworth 21 million plus the next 2 years salary to play for someone else? And would be happy if they got a 3rd rounder for him…..

You’re a tough guy to please. Tebow “raises flags” for you because he talks about his religion so much that he must be a fraud, Clausen is going to get all full of himself so pass on him, and the regarded best DL in the game is going to underachieve because he isn’t in a contract year.

Is there anyone you DO like?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 22, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

alanb, isn't that the same site that listed Steve Hutchinson as the 37th rated Guard in the NFL as well.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 22, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone else here think that D. Hall needs to shut his yap, stop brown-nosing the coaching staff, and concentrate on actually becoming as good a CB as he thinks he is? Improving his tackling would be a good first step.

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 22, 2010 9:40 AM

Why do you see this as either-or? I think he can do both at the same time.

NFL players don't all boycott the media.

Posted by: League-Source | March 22, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

According to Pro Football Focus, here are the rankings of Redskins cornerbacks last year based on at least 100 plays.
CB Rogers 67/140
CB Tryon 89/140
CB Smoot 95/140
CB Hall 106/140
Still think Hall is a "top" cornerback?

Posted by: alanb1231

But you're citing a source that rates Carlos Rogers at 67?

PFF is a site for number crunchers to determine who's best at whatever on a number basis only.

Their staff doesn't watch any game film or aren't scouts.

I wouldn't put too much stock in their data. It maybe accurate, but it doesn't tell the whole story.

Gotta go to the tape...

Posted by: RedDMV | March 22, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Still think Hall is a "top" cornerback?

Posted by: alanb1231 | March 22, 2010 9:39 AM


Yeah, seems Reid can't say "DeAngelo Hall" without putting "top cornerback" in front of it. Still waiting for him to earn that label...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 22, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Again...not saying it'll happen, just hoping it does.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 22, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

You're hoping to flip the most talented player on the team for a 3rd round pick?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 22, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Last year, the skins D got the sacks, but not the occasional shortened field or defensive touchdown that helps poor offense that comes from turnovers.

A new theme to our thinking should be that sacks, good, turnovers, better.

Posted by: MistaMoe |

And of course taking advantage of turnovers--priceless. But with little or no improvements in the offense to date, that's not likely to happen.

Fix the offense first.

Posted by: TheCork | March 22, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

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Yeah, seems Reid can't say "DeAngelo Hall" without putting "top cornerback" in front of it. Still waiting for him to earn that label...

Posted by: brownwood26 |

It's a default honor, sort of like being the tallest of the seven dwarfs.

Posted by: TheCork | March 22, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Gotta go to the tape...

Posted by: RedDMV | March 22, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Not just tape but tape against quality opponents.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 22, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

"brown, "Haynesworth, however, has not commented publicly on his situation"

until he does, then everything else is mere speculation....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Um...yeah and waters wet. Speculation is legit, everything thing but w/l in sports is speculation. "Well coach we have reason to believe they will play action here, so we should drop the LB into coverage" thats speculation, doesn't make it ill-legit.

And since when does a person saying something make it legit. Mofos, especially in official statements in sports, lie like they earn points for it. In fact the more its quoted and sourced as an actual statement, the less I believe it.

If you don't want to truck in speculation in sports and sports commentary, may I suggest Bridge?

Posted by: chrislarry | March 22, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Hall is the best QB on this team.

That's not debatable.

He can cover without getting flamed on a double move.... He can CATCH interceptions, not saying he's great, but he's a better tackler than what people like to give him credit for. Only blunder everyone always speaks on is Delhomme. Besides, people talk about his tackling ability like he's a MLB.

He's a cornerback.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 22, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

You’re a tough guy to please. Tebow “raises flags” for you because he talks about his religion so much that he must be a fraud, Clausen is going to get all full of himself so pass on him, and the regarded best DL in the game is going to underachieve because he isn’t in a contract year.

Is there anyone you DO like?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 22, 2010 9:44 AM


I like carpet.

I like desk.

I like lamp.

Seriously, you've got me all wrong, dude. All you did was point out three guys that I happen to not like and try to pass it off like I hate everything and everybody. For the record, I don't like any QB in this draft except for Bradford and LeFevour. I never wanted Haynesworth and have always been skeptical of him (and any other player who only plays lights out ball when he's in a contract year). Tebow has so many question marks around him, one could mistake him for The Riddler.

It's not like I'm going against the grain here, a lot of people hold similar opinions about those 3 players.

So excuse me for not blowing sunshine up your butt over all things Redskins, but I deal in reality. Just because my opinion doesn't jive with yours doesn't make it wrong.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 22, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Alge Crumpler to Pats looks like Tebow might be in their picture, as Crumpler was Vick's main safety valve in ATL before the Canine's Revenge..Vick , of course, being a similar player to Tebow..It's going to be hard to pry those 2nd rounders off their deck, methinks..

Posted by: frak | March 22, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

pa, I'm gonna go with 6 interceptions in 5 years...isn't the ultimate goal of a corner back to pick off passes...in that regard, CR has been a colussal failure.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 22, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

AH would not be used properly as a full time nose. Nose is just an excessively large body, I mean huge which are hard to find that doesn't mind being overshadowed by others on the defense. Come in shape and be even more of a force than you were last year. Imagine an in shape AH. A.Carter had the best year of his career at age 30 because of AH. like him or not He's on the books but at least has alot to offer in return.

Posted by: sthai75 | March 22, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

I'm going to speculate that AH is EXTREMELY happy and can't wait for this season to start....speculation is fun...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 22, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Red DMV- How about Hall getting posterized by the Giants and the Falcons the Burner Turner? His hands went "SWISH!! Why is there air??"
His tackling did improve later in the season, granted..

Posted by: frak | March 22, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

You're hoping to flip the most talented player on the team for a 3rd round pick?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 22, 2010 9:49 AM


EVERYONE in the NFL is talented.

It's the guys that work the hardest that end up being the best players.

So if we're getting anything less than 100% from Haynesworth and we can get a kid in the 3rd round who WILL give us 100% at a position of need, then the answer is yes.

I don't get why you'd sleep on a 3rd round pick...especially when our best offensive player (Cooley) was taken in Round 3.

And that 3rd rounder could be Dan LeFevour. Just sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 22, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

frak, how many interceptions did Rogers have this year? How about last year??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 22, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Hall is the best QB on this team.

That's not debatable...

Posted by: RedDMV | March 22, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

SkinsneedaGM and Vic1 would orobably agree with that statement.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 22, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone else here think that D. Hall needs to shut his yap, stop brown-nosing the coaching staff, and concentrate on actually becoming as good a CB as he thinks he is? Improving his tackling would be a good first step.

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 22, 2010 9:40 AM

Really man? You're right he's not making himself better. He's just there working out and watching film with his coaches. That doesn't make a football player better, you're right. Have you even played football before? Other than like little league.

Posted by: duncanrobee | March 22, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

BG:

"I sense that breathing in air is helpful but until oxygen tells me I withhold comment..."

Posted by: chrislarry | March 22, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

lmao^^^

typo fail

Posted by: RedDMV | March 22, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Rogers cost us a coupla games in recent memory with his drops, but so did Smoot ...Definitely an area that needs improvement...Like my bathtub wartorn apartment here in Sbrenica..

Posted by: frak | March 22, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

According to Pro Football Focus, they analyze every play from the tapes. http://www.profootballfocus.com/home.php?tab=home
Steve Hutchinson's page looks like this http://www.profootballfocus.com/by_player.php?tab=by_player&season=2009&page=6&surn=H&playerid=787 Looks like he is pretty bad at run-blocking

Posted by: alanb1231 | March 22, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Hall is in the tank with Shanny....

Book it!

Just like my brackets......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 22, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse


Other NFL GMs aren;t going to suddenly drop Clausen's value just because Holmes said he "doesn't like him".

THe only people dumb and insecure enough to hang on Holmes' words like this are Kiper, McShay and Banks.


Posted by: p1funk | March 22, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse


I think you can add Vinny "I'm a tool" Cerrato to that list.

Posted by: Devo2 | March 22, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Report: Smiley is on the trade block
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 22, 2010 10:03 AM ET
The addition of Richie Incognito in Miami means a subtraction is coming on the Dolphins offensive line.

Edgar Thompson of the Palm Beach Post reports guard Justin Smiley has been told to stay away from the team's offseason conditioning program because the team plans to trade him.

Smiley got $9 million guaranteed to sign with Miami in 2008, but hasn't lived up to expectations and has struggled to stay healthy. Still, Smiley is only 28 years old and has started 73 games in his six year career. There should be a market for him

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 22, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

...stop brown-nosing the coaching staff...
Posted by: rbpalmer | March 22, 2010 9:40 AM

"Brown-nosing"? That I find really funny. When he's the one who J. Reid called to ask about what he thinks.Is it bad that Hall likes the coaching staff now? Is it bad that he feels good about they bring to the table? Its not just D. Hall all the players love the new coaching staff, have you heard one person that has said "Man I really don't like Mike Shanahan, man, Zorn was a much better coach". No.

Posted by: duncanrobee | March 22, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Mike Florio
March 22nd, 10:16
Now that the Redskins have switched to a 3-4, Albert Haynesworth has all but gone on record as saying that he will not even try during this upcoming season. He plans on just falling backwards and curling into the fetal position.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 22, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

PFF has Haynesworth as 4th out of 112 DTs, based on 100 plays

Posted by: alanb1231 | March 22, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Holgrem is badmouthing Clausen so he can drop to #7.....

Book it...

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 22, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Clausen led ND to four straight losses to USC and two to Navy.

Soup led Auburn to two straight losses to USC. Auburn was undefeated his senior year after dropping USC from the schedule. However USC was the clear National Champ, dropping half a hundred on 'Homa in the title game.

I'll take neither for a thousand Alex.

Posted by: Realness1 | March 22, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

>...what the hell was Joe Gibbs, it didn't made any difference

Posted by: lantallen | March 22, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 22, 2010 10:01 AM

I’m actually with you on the QB’s to pick, but simply based upon what I perceive their abilities/strengths are. You say you deal in reality but when you are “evaluating” players you take things a step further like you can see the future or know some of these guys personally. You are factoring in stuff that you can’t know and it just comes off as know-it-all-ish. But you’re right, it’s your opinion and you are entitled.

But a third rounder for AH? Come on.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 22, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

4th's Updated Mock Draft (3.0)

1. Bradford
2. Okung
3. McCoy
4. Suh/Spiller

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 22, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I don't know 4th, I mean, Delhomme, and then trading for Wallace, how many qb's do they need?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 22, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

"But you're citing a source that rates Carlos Rogers at 67?
PFF is a site for number crunchers to determine who's best at whatever on a number basis only.
Their staff doesn't watch any game film or aren't scouts.
I wouldn't put too much stock in their data. It maybe accurate, but it doesn't tell the whole story.
Gotta go to the tape...

Posted by: RedDMV"

------

Actually, surprisingly, you have it backwards.

I remember trying to analyze the numbers posted on the website, which clearly show DHall to be a top 5 cover corner, statistically speaking.

Yet in the 'rankings' he was listed at 100+.

I emailed the website moderator to try and get an explanation, pointing out that Hall was better in every single statistical measurement than a CB who was ranked ahead of Hall. Here was the response I received:

"The main reason we grade is because the base stats can tell lies and they can also be miss-interpreted if you omit certain factors as you did below. Two important numbers you left out was the number of missed tackles and passes defensed in which both Carr was significantly ahead of Hall. However, as I said, the other numbers can also deceive you. Consider the following scenarios:

· A team run a WR screen at a CB who is in man coverage. The CB is double-teamed and can do nothing but because of missed tackles by other players the screen goes for 80 yards and a TD. The CB was clearly in coverage and hence the yardage goes against him.

· A CB is beaten badly for a reception but the WR then drops the ball.

· Another CB is beaten badly and gives up a 70 yard TD by peeking in the backfield (a la Chris McAlister for example) but the play is called back on a holding call

In the first of these the CB has done nothing wrong and is penalised by having 80 yards and a TD logged against him. In the latter two the CB has been poor but is rewarded with incomplete passes to his credit. Obviously in our grading the CB would not be penalised in the first but marked down significantly in the others.

Hopefully this gives you some indication. Next year we are looking at publishing a list of our gradings per player as an option (possibly subscription) so people can see the differences for themselves."

So they actually do study film and base their grades more off film, but also provide the documented statistics. However, it's the film that ultimately gives the guy their 'ranking.' I found it pretty interesting.

Posted by: psps23 | March 22, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

EVERYONE in the NFL is talented.

It's the guys that work the hardest that end up being the best players.

So if we're getting anything less than 100% from Haynesworth and we can get a kid in the 3rd round who WILL give us 100% at a position of need, then the answer is yes.

I don't get why you'd sleep on a 3rd round pick...especially when our best offensive player (Cooley) was taken in Round 3.

And that 3rd rounder could be Dan LeFevour. Just sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 22, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Some players in the NFL are just a lot more talented than others.

To your point about effort, ask Rock how trying hard worked out for him.

My main argument is that you make it sound like we'd be lucky to trade him. When the reality is he's one of the best 4-3 tackles in the game.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 22, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I think Campbell won a national championship, or at least a share of it while Auburn.

Clausen did not.


Campbell also threw passes to Anthony "Ped-A-File" Mix while at Auburn. Clausen did not.

====================

You're right, it's not like clausen had someone like Golden Tate to throw the ball to while at notre dame.

Posted by: ddrcoaster | March 22, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Holgrem is badmouthing Clausen so he can drop to #7.....

Book it...

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 22, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

The "shadow" knows for sure.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 22, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

PFF has Haynesworth as 4th out of 112 DTs, based on 100 plays

Posted by: alanb1231 | March 22, 2010 10:16 AM

When Haynesworth was on the field, the run defense was better and the pass rush was more effective, and that was him playing in a defense he didn't like and with a coach he butted heads with. The issue with Haynesworth will be what shape he's in this year, and can he create the same havoc playing in a 3-4. We shall see.

Posted by: TWISI | March 22, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I found it pretty interesting.

Posted by: psps23 | March 22, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for that info psps23. Where is this site again?

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 22, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

I don't know 4th, I mean, Delhomme, and then trading for Wallace, how many qb's do they need?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 22, 2010 10:20 AM

Delhome will be the one/two year 'BAnd-Aide'.

Seneca will be the trusty '#2' who can spring into the starting position at a moments notice.

And Clausen will be holding the clipboard for atleast a year......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 22, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

To your point about effort, ask Rock how trying hard worked out for him.

My main argument is that you make it sound like we'd be lucky to trade him. When the reality is he's one of the best 4-3 tackles in the game.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 22, 2010 10:23 AM


Effort worked out for Rock very well, all things considered...dude was a 7th round pick who carved out a niche on special teams and has played 8 years for one team. That should be considered a success, IMO.

And Haynesworth being "one of the best 4-3 tackles in the game" doesn't do us much good if we're running a 3-4. If there wasn't a switch in philosophy, I'd have to approach Haynesworth the same way I did last year: suck it up and hope for the best. But there IS a change and I just think you're jamming a square peg into a round hole by trying make him a DE or NT in a 3-4. It just makes sense that you deal him (if there are any takers) if he doesn't fit into the team's long term plans and he's not interested (allegedly) in switching positions.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 22, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

When Haynesworth was on the field, the run defense was better and the pass rush was more effective, and that was him playing in a defense he didn't like and with a coach he butted heads with. The issue with Haynesworth will be what shape he's in this year, and can he create the same havoc playing in a 3-4. We shall see.

Posted by: TWISI | March 22, 2010 10:23 AM

The coaching staff will make sure that he does create havoc. He's not gonna be the space eating nose guard like C.Hampton he's gonna be a gap shooting pass rushing nose guard. There would be a real problem if they used him like the Steelers use C. Hampton.

Posted by: duncanrobee | March 22, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

You're right, it's not like clausen had someone like Golden Tate to throw the ball to while at notre dame.

Posted by: ddrcoaster | March 22, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Clausen's highlight reel looks more like an endorsement for Golden Tate. I don't know who will draft Tate but they are going to be very happy.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 22, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Mel Kiper is the biggest name in draft coverage, and what he thinks affects how others put together their drafts. The elephant in the room is that Kiper is friendly with agent Gary Wichard, who represents Clausen, and ProFootballTalk has repeatedly called out Kiper in the past for allegedly elevating the stock of Wichard's clients. It's hard not to at least wonder if that's the case here. Plus, ask yourself, is Clausen really $25 million better than, say, Colt McCoy, who will be a second round pick? Hell no.

Posted by: SkinsFreak | March 22, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: psps23 | March 22, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Me thinks the DeAngelo Hall is the new team spokesman. I think every "unnamed player" report will likely be him.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 22, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of shellshocked, that entire damn secondary got more than its share of bombshells ...Every last one of 'em..And I ain't talkin' bout Rita Hayworth either..They got burned so much they had to setup a burn triage tent beside the bench..

Posted by: frak | March 22, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

And for those here who don't know, but do care - GILBERT ARENAS' mother recently passed.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 22, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

psps23, that was nice of the site moderator to send you that informative piece, but they watch film to verify their numbers.

They're not scouts or even so-called experts on football

They crunch numbers and cook up cute formulas and equations to tell you who's best.

I'm not discrediting their style, just saying that it doesn't tell the whole story. You gotta be able to analyze a game and tell what's going on given player, team, coach, opposing team -- everything.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 22, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I am so tired of hearing about how impressed these losers are by their new coach or how they approve of the free agency strategy. NOBODY cares what you think!!! Your team went 4-12 last year. Why should anybody care if the players are on board or not. Half of these jokers, if not more, will probably be out of here by that start of the 2011 season.

Posted by: garg8050 | March 22, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Thanx psps23, very interesting info.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 22, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Wow, these clowns consider themselves "RI celebrities"? What an unbelievable circle-jerk you've put together here.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | March 21, 2010 9:25 PM |

So true and so not true. Half the names on the "RI celebrities" list couldn't get it up if they OD'd on Vi@gra.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | March 22, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

And Haynesworth being "one of the best 4-3 tackles in the game" doesn't do us much good if we're running a 3-4. If there wasn't a switch in philosophy, I'd have to approach Haynesworth the same way I did last year: suck it up and hope for the best. But there IS a change and I just think you're jamming a square peg into a round hole by trying make him a DE or NT in a 3-4. It just makes sense that you deal him (if there are any takers) if he doesn't fit into the team's long term plans and he's not interested (allegedly) in switching positions.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 22, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

If you're going to deal AH, it's not going to be for a mid-round pick.

Just pointing out that you are crazy for saying a mid-round pick would be good enough in return.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 22, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Gilbert Arenas needs to see a therapist/psychiatrist on the regular.

I think he's a deeply troubled dude.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 22, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

The elephant in the room is that Kiper is friendly with agent Gary Wichard, who represents Clausen, and ProFootballTalk has repeatedly called out Kiper in the past for allegedly elevating the stock of Wichard's clients. It's hard not to at least wonder if that's the case here. Plus, ask yourself, is Clausen really $25 million better than, say, Colt McCoy, who will be a second round pick? Hell no.

Posted by: SkinsFreak | March 22, 2010 10:35 AM

And Kiper is also friendly with Vinny Cerato.

And Wichard and Vinny are good friends (JT55). So, it's a good chance he is doing the Skins and Clausen a favor by attaching his name to #4 in hopes of someone jumoing to #3 to draft Clausen so the guy the skins want slides down to them.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 22, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Debate about Haynesworth and D. Hall this morning much?

D. Hall is a solid corner. Elite? It depends on the system you put him in. That's the thing that all of these analysts cannot account for: is the player being used to the best of his abilities? Many of you have criticized Blache's lack of press coverage last year and his lack of creative pass rushing. I think those two factors make Hall less of a player. He can press because he has great change of direction and for the same reason he can get to a ball that floats because the opposing QB is throwing off his back foot due to defenders crashing down on him. We haven't seen the best of D. Hall, yet. With a blitzing 3-4 defense and more press coverage, I think we are going to see some good things.

As far as the Haynesworth discussion, the guy has a mammoth amount of guaranteed money over the next two years. No team is going to buy into that. You AH haters better get up in the bleachers and stick it out, because he's going to be a Redskin for the next two years. If Haslett is true to his word and moves Haynesworth around some, I think Big Al will be happy. He's got to realize that his best chance is if Montgomery and Kemo rise up to be beasts at nose. He should take Montgomery under his wing and beast him up.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 22, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Just pointing out that you are crazy for saying a mid-round pick would be good enough in return.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 22, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

The problem with dealing him is dealing his contract. After this year you may have a chance but I think we're paying him like 20 mil this year.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 22, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

"...what the hell was Joe Gibbs, it didn't made any difference..."


I think the main reason why Gibbs 2.0 failed to live up to the advertising is that he wasn't who he was in 1981: a young guy willing to grind 53 men into a winning team.

Like Shanny, St Joe had the presence, rings, and mythology to get respect. But Joe, unlike Shanny, has other appetites to satisfy.

Shanny comes here having had the time to devise a plan, watch the league from the object perch of a fired coach, and knowledge about what does and does not work in today's NFL.

Mike Shanahan will get the job done in D.C..

Thing is, do we fans have the stomach to take on the changes--3/4 from 4-3, less 'grind it out,' more wide open passing--that'll come.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 22, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

So if Okung and Bradford are gone before #4 does Shanahan abandon his plan for the 3-4 on D and draft one of the d-tackles? Carter, McCoy/Suh, Haynesworth, Orakpo would make a helluva 4-3 front. Although I have read that Suh could line up at nosetackle as well so he would give some options to Haslett.

Posted by: skinswest | March 22, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Hall is the best QB on this team.

That's not debatable...

Posted by: RedDMV | March 22, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

SkinsneedaGM and Vic1 would orobably agree with that statement.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 22, 2010 10:09 AM
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Hunter the Punter takes umbrage to that comment.

btw, whats his status, anyway? Did he sign or is he holding out for backup QB pay?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 22, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Mel Kiper is the biggest name in draft coverage, and what he thinks affects how others put together their drafts.

Posted by: SkinsFreak | March 22, 2010 10:35 AM


Bwahahahaha!

And you guys think I'M crazy?

NFL GMs certainly don't rearrange their draft boards based on the guess work of a TV talking-head, let alone one that looks like a Knight Rider villian. Besides...the only NFL Draft "Guru" out there is Mike Mayock.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 22, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Gilbert Arenas needs to see a therapist/psychiatrist on the regular.

I think he's a deeply troubled dude.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 22, 2010 10:43 AM |

I know a good shrink who could help him. His name is Dr. Cold Turkey.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | March 22, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

So if Okung and Bradford are gone before #4 does Shanahan abandon his plan for the 3-4 on D and draft one of the d-tackles? Carter, McCoy/Suh, Haynesworth, Orakpo would make a helluva 4-3 front. Although I have read that Suh could line up at nosetackle as well so he would give some options to Haslett.

Posted by: skinswest | March 22, 2010 10:54 AM

Interesting turn of events. Suh and McCoy are in the molds of Sapp and Randel but much bigger and athletic from what's being said about them. I agree with you would be much more simpler to stay a 4-3. Now that would be shocking if we stayed put and picked up Suh or McCoy. I think Allen has probably entertained that scenerio. Would help if bruce would show his hand just a little. good that he doesn't.

Posted by: sthai75 | March 22, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

CL, you don't post much anymore but when you do...

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 22, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Just pointing out that you are crazy for saying a mid-round pick would be good enough in return.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 22, 2010 10:42 AM


Considering Anquan Boldin went to Baltimore for a 3rd rounder, I don't think that's crazy at all.

What's crazy is thinking you can get MORE for Haynesworth than a 3rd rounder.

The only thing that makes me crazy is continuing this line of discussion. AH is here til he isn't here. And I'll suck it up til he's gone. Just don't ask me to like it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 22, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

2009 Redskins Offense – Individual Rankings
Must have played in 100 plays

Pos Name Games Snaps Rank

LT Samuels 5 249 47/102
LT Heyer 3 974 97/102
LT Jones 9 527 101/102

RT M. Williams 3 458 66/102
RT Heyer 13 974 97/102

LG Dockery 16 1026 24/101

RG Rinehart 4 227 56/101
RG M. Williams 5 458 63/101
RG Montgomery 5 288 71/101
RG E. Williams 3 167 77/101

C Rabach 16 1026 30/39

Pos Name Snaps Rank
TE Cooley 354 44/84
TE Davis 648 71/84

WR Randle El 539 43/142
WR Thomas 490 92/142
WR Kelly 543 109/142
WR Moss 944 140/142

RB Betts 228 18/80
RB Ganther 182 32/80
RB Cartwright 222 34/80
RB Portis 273 53/80

FB Sellers 437 36/41

QB Campbell 983 24/52


2009 Redskins Defense – Individual Rankings
Must have played in 100 plays

Pos Name Snaps Rank

DE Carter 979 11/100
DE Jarmon 115 51/100
DE Daniels 627 70/100

DT Haynesworth 573 4/112
DT Alexander 261 11/112
DT Golston 608 58/112
DT Montgomery 100 62/112
DT Griffin 567 68/112

OLB Blades 129 20/78
OLB Orakpo 922 38/78
OLB Wilson 151 44/78
OLB MacIntosh 869 65/78

MLB Fletcher 1055 13/70

CB Rogers 888 67/140
CB Tryon 356 89/140
CB Smoot 455 95/140
CB Hall 788 106/140

S Doughty 656 8/122
S Horton 316 44/122
S Moore 182 80/122
S Landry 1000 121/122

2009 Redskins Special Teams (At least 8 games)

ST Blades 36/137
ST Westbrook 43/137
ST Doughty 98/137
ST Moore 107/137

K Suisham 32/36

P Smith 27/33

KR Cartwright Y/KR 30 + returns 29/45

PR Randle El Y/PR 15+ returns 27/40

Posted by: alanb1231 | March 22, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

The problem with dealing him is dealing his contract. After this year you may have a chance but I think we're paying him like 20 mil this year.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 22, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

That's why I think the trade would have to be for a player and a pick.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 22, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

NFL GMs certainly don't rearrange their draft boards based on the guess work of a TV talking-head, let alone one that looks like a Knight Rider villian. Besides...the only NFL Draft "Guru" out there is Mike Mayock.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 22, 2010 10:58 AM |

It's not so much that they "rearrange" as it is that Mel has a good network and he knows what is going on.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | March 22, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Look at the difference between Doughty and Landry. And those who think Moss is still a star maybe need to reevaluate.

Posted by: alanb1231 | March 22, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Never thought I'd see people get their feelings hurt over being called a non "RI celebrity".

Like it's prestigious to be called one in the first place.

If you're salty about being dissed by "the committee" my suggestion is that you really go and get a life and get the hell over it. Because in grand scheme, it really ain't that serious.

Whaaaaaa.... They didn't name me with the other guys.... Whaaaaaaaa.... I wanna be cool too.... Whaaaaaaaaa... I post on here as much as they do... Whaaaaaaa.... I'm mad... Whaaaaaa.... Becuase I feel slighted I have to talk about how corny it was to begin with but had I been named on there I would've felt like I belonged... WHAAAAAAAWHAAAAAAAAAAAWHAAAAAAAAWHAAAAAAAAAWHAAAAAAAAAAWHAAAAAAAA

STFU already.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 22, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 22, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

can't compare AH to a 30yr old WR with injury issues who isn't top 5 at his position in the league.

like you said, not likely to happen anyways so I'll drop it.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 22, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

CL, you don't post much anymore but when you do...

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 22, 2010 11:00 AM


...you prefer Dos Equis?

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 22, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

"Mel Kiper is the biggest name in draft coverage, and what he thinks affects how others put together their drafts."


The best show any sports network could create during the draft is a comparison between the words of guys like McShay, Kiper, Mayock, et al., to what's happened to the players they were so high on.

I'd call it, "The 2007 Draft: 3 years Later."

Consider the outcomes of the top ten picks of that year:

1 Oakland Raiders JaMarcus Russell Quarterback LSU

2 Detroit Lions Calvin Johnson Wide receiver Georgia Tech

3 Cleveland Browns Joe Thomas† Offensive tackle Wisconsin

4 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Adams, Gaines Adams Defensive end Clemson

5 Arizona Cardinals Brown, Levi Brown Offensive tackle Penn State

6 Washington Redskins Landry, LaRon Landry Safety LSU

7 Minnesota Vikings Peterson, Adrian Peterson† Running back Oklahoma

8 Atlanta Falcons (from Houston) [9] Anderson, Jamaal Anderson Defensive end Arkansas

9 Miami Dolphins Ginn, Jr., Ted Ginn, Jr. Wide receiver Ohio State

10 Houston Texans (from Atlanta) [9] Okoye, Amobi Okoye Defensive tackle Louisville

Adams is no longer with us.

Thomas and Johnson are great players.

Russell, Ginn, and Landry have all underwhelmed.

Landry, if you remember, was supposed to be the second coming of #21.

Petersen was supposed to be a 'risk' at the time because of his shoulder.

You could go on all day with analysis of what the draftniks said, and the outcomes of their prognostications.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 22, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

It's not so much that they "rearrange" as it is that Mel has a good network and he knows what is going on.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | March 22, 2010 11:03 AM


I'm just sayin'...a year or two ago, I actually compared the draft coverage of ESPN and NFLN and on most of the 1st round picks, Kiper had egg on his face while everything Mayock had said came to pass. It may or may not happen every year, but that image is burned into my memory.

If anything, Kiper's connections make him less credible. He'll go on air and say stuff that'll help his agent buddies and their clients, while Mayock is going on air and giving us stuff he's seeing in actual film study. I'll take the guy who studies film and knows what he's talking about over the guy who's guessing and scratching backs.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 22, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

That's why I think the trade would have to be for a player and a pick.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 22, 2010 11:02 AM |

He isn't ideal for 3-4 but trading him may not be the answer either. This 3-4 business is the coaches trying to get in the player's heads and let them know that the D has to improve. Who knows what is going on inside his head? Mebbe he was embarassed by last year and will have a better one in 2010.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | March 22, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

"I actually compared the draft coverage of ESPN and NFLN and on most of the 1st round picks, Kiper had egg on his face while everything Mayock had said came to pass."

Mike Mayock and Charles Davis on the NFL Network are the two best draft guys there are, hands down.

I'd include Kiper, but my agent, Jerry Mcguire, has beef with him, so I won't.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 22, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I'll take the guy who studies film and knows what he's talking about over the guy who's guessing and scratching backs.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 22, 2010 11:15 AM |

Even though it might not seem that way, Kiper puts a lot of time in studying film.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | March 22, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Mayock didn't think much of Orakpo last year. Just sayin'


None of those guys know it all.

Posted by: skinswest | March 22, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Bwahahaa..Who gives a flyin' ratmonkey about RI "celebrity"??
"I'd never belong to a club that would accept me as a member" -John Holmes

Posted by: frak | March 22, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Mayock didn't think much of Orakpo last year. Just sayin'

Posted by: skinswest | March 22, 2010 11:21 AM


Neither did I when I heard Greg "Shuffle the Deck" Blache was gonna move him to LB...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 22, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I think the main reason why Gibbs 2.0 failed to live up to the advertising is that he wasn't who he was in 1981: a young guy willing to grind 53 men into a winning team.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 22, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

No, the main difference between Gibbs I and Gibbs II was Bobby Beathard.

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 22, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I missed this RI Celeb dust up. Can someone update me?

Thanks LH, would love to post more, and will I am sure...but busy as a MOFO at the ole' J-O-B.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 22, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

No, the main difference between Gibbs I and Gibbs II was Bobby Beathard.


Posted by: rbpalmer | March 22, 2010 11:24 AM


That was certainly a big factor, but you can't deny Gibbs I and Gibbs II were two completely different guys.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 22, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

No, the main difference between Gibbs I and Gibbs II was Bobby Beathard.

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 22, 2010 11:24 AM |

Good point. Gibbs as a GM was a disasster.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | March 22, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

"I missed this RI Celeb dust up. Can someone update me?"

First, my name isn't on thelist, so I don't care.

But basically some arrogant clown posted the names of those dudes he tends to pay attention to, and folks who weren't mentioned are now on their way to the drug store to buy tampons.

At least that's what I think you do when you're on the rag about something that doesn't really matter.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 22, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Tony Pike is on ESPN First Take...seems like a pretty good guy. Anyone know if his game is tight?

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 22, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Mayock didn't think much of Orakpo last year. Just sayin'


None of those guys know it all.

Posted by: skinswest | March 22, 2010 11:21 AM

It's only been one year and he has been right so far.....

He said Orackpo wasn't a 4-3 OLB nor a 4-3 DE.

And he would best fit a tweener role in a 3-4 as his chance to make it in the NFL.

Now...Cushing...Mayock was right about that guy....but I ain't about to rehash old draft arguments......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 22, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

I think the main reason why Gibbs 2.0 failed to live up to the advertising is that he wasn't who he was in 1981: a young guy willing to grind 53 men into a winning team.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 22, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

No, the main difference between Gibbs I and Gibbs II was Bobby Beathard.

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 22, 2010 11:24 AM
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true.. and also
Cooke as a hands off owner without a salary cap.
And, a taxi squad / IR system that allowed Bethard and Gibbs to hide reserves that could of started on other teams. Thus great depth at key positions.

Gibbs 2.0 was "All Hat, No Cattle"...

Ie.. his great reputation but, not deep in player talent.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 22, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I know I haven't been posting lately cause I wasn't on the 'celeb' list...

But in all seriousness...

The 2 cardinal sins of gambling...

1. Don't hedge your bets.
2. Don't go against your gut.

The gambling gods will always make you pay.

Case in point: I took Cuse in my big money pool, so 20 minutes before tipoff Thursday I decided to hedge and go with Kansas in another one. Now I probably won't win either.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 22, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Wow, Kevin Mawae is still out there in FA...you'd think someone woulda picked him up by now. I'd make a run at him for a minimum contract if I'm the Skins...move Rabach over to G and suddenly the inside of the O-line looks pretty good.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 22, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

RedDMV's list of RI celebrities:

diesel_skins_

LittleGreenBag

That is all.


I mean, can you sign my keyboard now or something?

Posted by: RedDMV | March 22, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Look at the difference between Doughty and Landry. And those who think Moss is still a star maybe need to reevaluate.

Posted by: alanb1231 | March 22, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

How is Moss supposed to do anything when the QB A. Is on his back by the time Moss finishes his route B. When Moss is open, the QB misses him or overthrows him?

Even Randy Moss couldn't do much with those factors against him. That's just common sense man.

Posted by: ga8085 | March 22, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Where can I find the "celeb" list?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 22, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

What's Mel Kiper's take on this RI Celebrity list?

Posted by: closer44 | March 22, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Tony Pike is on ESPN First Take...seems like a pretty good guy. Anyone know if his game is tight?

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 22, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse
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Below from bleacherreport ref Combine.. ....mentions Pike halfway through the write up.
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I am not insinuating Snead goes before Stafford, Sanchez, or Freeman in last year’s draft, but with a 92 Grade and no questions regarding decision making, he is in the conversation much earlier in last year’s class than this one’s.

All he would have had to accomplish at last year’s Combine is a good throwing performance.

Guess one thing we learned over the weekend?

Snead can throw the ball.

Snead’s decision to prepare for the combine at Houston’s PLEX training facility working with Jerry Rhome paid off in his throwing session.

Rhome is a character in sports the average fan knows exists—a sage the best turn to when they need advice—but rarely sees. He is credited with mentoring—among many others—a young Troy Aikman in Dallas. More recently, he worked with Alabama's Greg McElroy.

Whatever Rhome has been teaching, Snead proved a good student.

Snead looked confident, in control of his mechanics, and most disheartening to Ole Miss fans, the most accurate of any quarterback in his group.

The more throws he made the more you found yourself asking, “Where was this last year?”

Granted there was no defensive coverage in the route tree drills, but even an untrained eye could notice the adjustments receivers were making to throws from other quarterbacks in Snead's group, and the decided lack of them made for Snead's own throws.

Of the names in that group, Tony Pike struggled—a bit too much—on deep and out throws, and failed to quell questions about his arm strength. Zac Robinson rebounded from a listless week at the Senior Bowl and showed well, but did not have the type of throwing performance that ultimately changes his draft position.

Not that Snead did either. We all know he can throw with the best of them. What his performance did prove more than anything else is that he is coachable. Rhome’s influence was obvious, even in the short time the two prepared for Indy.

With half the league looking for a new starting quarterback in the next three years, Snead’s response to tutelage might be the deciding factor for a GM looking to fill that need with a developmental QB in this year’s draft.

A couple of ideas that we need to be open to after watching Snead’s performance at the NFL Combine:

With the lackluster performance—or absence—of other quarterbacks in front him, Snead could move up quite a bit from the fifth round projections he entered the combine with. Maybe even into the top five at the position.

We also learned that Snead responds well to good quarterback instruction, and—Ole Miss Fans must now admit—he might not have been getting exactly that these last two years.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 22, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Enough with Deangelo Hall already. What is this-- all Hall all the time. Who cares what this guy has to say? He stinks. When did he become the Redskins and Jason Reid's all the time spokesperson. Hey Reid, get another source already. One people care about, who can actually play. As for Hall, learn how to tackle a quarterback.

Posted by: dovelevine | March 22, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Landry, if you remember, was supposed to be the second coming of #21.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 22, 2010 11:10 AM |

In 2007 the Skins burned a high 1st rounder on a safety when they had done just that same thing a couple of years before. Then in 2008 they burned three 2nd rounders on receivers. This time around let us hope they don't repeat this strange over-drafting by position strategy to use all their picks on OL.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | March 22, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Wow, Kevin Mawae is still out there in FA...you'd think someone woulda picked him up by now. I'd make a run at him for a minimum contract if I'm the Skins...move Rabach over to G and suddenly the inside of the O-line looks pretty good.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 22, 2010 11:41 AM

They have. They talked with him during the first week of FA period. He's mulling over options.

Posted by: TWISI | March 22, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Am I the only one who wonders what Vinny Cerrato is up to these days?

Talk about fade to black....

Posted by: RedDMV | March 22, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Mayock didn't think much of Orakpo last year. Just sayin'

Posted by: skinswest | March 22, 2010 11:21 AM


Neither did I when I heard Greg "Shuffle the Deck" Blache was gonna move him to LB...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 22, 2010 11:24 AM |

Right... but then Orakpo goes on to earn a Pro Bowl birth at the OLB position. In fact, Orakpo produced more sacks than any other rookie DE or OLB in the 2009 draft class. Actually, I believe the WaPo also perpetuated the notion that Orakpo couldn't play the OLB position. But the kid goes on and earns a Pro Bowl nod and proves all the armchair d-coordinators wrong.

But my main point about Kiper was NOT that he's the best analyst, is right all the time or that NFL GM's rely soly on his evaluations when drawing up their draft boards.

My point was to show that it's a well known fact that Kiper is friends with Clausen's agent and Kiper has been repeatedly accused in the past for elevating the stock of Wichard's clients. That's the only point I'm making.

Posted by: SkinsFreak | March 22, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

What's Mel Kiper's take on this RI Celebrity list?

Posted by: closer44 | March 22, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

He's working on a list of best available.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 22, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Tony Pike is on ESPN First Take...seems like a pretty good guy. Anyone know if his game is tight?

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 22, 2010 11:36 AM
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I think he's a guy that you could sit on the bench for a year and then come out and lead a team. He's got a little problem with mechanics in that he doesn't step into some of his passes, but I think a good coach can smooth that wrinkle out. It would be nice to pack some pounds on him. He's tall and could carry another twenty pounds easily, but I have been a supporter since the draft talk began.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 22, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Enough with Deangelo Hall already. What is this-- all Hall all the time. Who cares what this guy has to say?

Posted by: dovelevine | March 22, 2010 11:44 AM


This is considered Reid's break from soliciting London Fletcher's opinion on everything...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 22, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

You could go on all day with analysis of what the draftniks said, and the outcomes of their prognostications.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 22, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Keep in mind, the only thing they are supposed to be suggesting is where the guys are going to be drafted. I don't know anyone who thought Jamarcus Russel was going to be any good other than Al Davis. This is the problem I have with Kiper. He will say things like Russell will be a great top 5 QB in 3 years even when all the scouting reports say that Russell will be a bust. He really discredits a lot of the knowledgable draft analyst out there.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 22, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Reid, why cover anything Deangelo Hall says. He's the biggest knucklehead the Skins have. He makes interceptions because he's out of position, he gets burned all the time, and he can't and won't tackle. The media such as yourself who gives this guy a spotlight ought to be doing something else for a living. This is the same guy who said of the 10 first cuts that they were "dead weight." Rock Cartwright and Ledell Betts were not "dead weight." Go get another job and WP hire someone else as the Redskins Insider who actualls knows what they're talking about.

Posted by: getitritegov | March 22, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

But basically some arrogant clown posted the names of those dudes he tends to pay attention to, and folks who weren't mentioned are now on their way to the drug store to buy tampons.

At least that's what I think you do when you're on the rag about something that doesn't really matter.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 22, 2010 11:35 AM
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LMAO!!!

Posted by: priceisright | March 22, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Am I the only one who wonders what Vinny Cerrato is up to these days?

Talk about fade to black....

Posted by: RedDMV
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There was a guy with a rodent-like face manning the deep fryer at the Pentagon City Johnny Rockets last week...

In other words, yes, you are.

Posted by: closer44 | March 22, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Am I the only one who wonders what Vinny Cerrato is up to these days?

Talk about fade to black....

Posted by: RedDMV | March 22, 2010 11:50 AM
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same thing he was doing the last 4 years..
....nothing.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 22, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Missed the RI Celeb list as well:
a few come to mind and for differing reasons and that is what has made the RI a fun place for me over the last three years.

I know I spend much more time on here during Pre-Season through actual season.
Yes, I can't stay off during the actual draft week, but other than that, I mostly read the other months.

so can someone re-post the list?
:)
HTTR!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | March 22, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Am I the only one who wonders what Vinny Cerrato is up to these days?

Talk about fade to black....

Posted by: RedDMV | March 22, 2010 11:50 AM
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He's down in his little weasel burrow plotting a comeback. I bet he resurfaces somewhere in Snyder's organization next year.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 22, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Right... but then Orakpo goes on to earn a Pro Bowl birth at the OLB position. In fact, Orakpo produced more sacks than any other rookie DE or OLB in the 2009 draft class. Actually, I believe the WaPo also perpetuated the notion that Orakpo couldn't play the OLB position. But the kid goes on and earns a Pro Bowl nod and proves all the armchair d-coordinators wrong.

.................................................

Posted by: SkinsFreak | March 22, 2010 11:51 AM


1st of all, I don't know how you can say this watching the games and seeing Orakpo being so out of position at the OLB position. He regeularly got burnt by the TE, especially in the 1st half of the season, for key TDs and 1st downs.

Half of his season total sacks came against Oakland....And he failed when he had opportunities to make key plays (Tackle Romo before he threw game winning TD in Dallas, Failed to sack Bress when he got to him).

Pro Bowls are popularity contest. No stick measures.

He didn't even get one All Pro vote. The guy who supposedly played the same position made the Pro Bowl and 1st team All PRo, but was drafted 2 spots behind him......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 22, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Greg McElroy. Another reason to look towards the 2011 QB class. All he does is win games.

Posted by: TWISI | March 22, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Mayock didn't think much of Orakpo last year. Just sayin'


None of those guys know it all.

Posted by: skinswest | March 22, 2010 11:21 AM

It's only been one year and he has been right so far.....

He said Orackpo wasn't a 4-3 OLB nor a 4-3 DE.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 22, 2010 11:37 AM

Really? Orakpo made the probowl as an 4-3 OLB. Granted everyone and their grandmother thinks he's better as a 4-3 DE than OLB. I think he's shown that he'd be great at either 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB. Mayock thought Robert Ayers would be better than Orakpo. Believe me, there's alot of Broncos fans who are worried that Ayers looks like a bust and wish they had taken Orakpo instead of Moreno.

Posted by: skinswest | March 22, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I really don't think we're hearing enough about Shaun Suisham these days.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 22, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone else here think that D. Hall needs to shut his yap, stop brown-nosing the coaching staff, and concentrate on actually becoming as good a CB as he thinks he is? Improving his tackling would be a good first step.

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 22, 2010 9:40 AM

Really man? You're right he's not making himself better. He's just there working out and watching film with his coaches. That doesn't make a football player better, you're right. Have you even played football before? Other than like little league.

Posted by: duncanrobee | March 22, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Never said he wasn't working out, or that he was the one who sought J. Reid out. What I did imply is that he has a highly elevated sense of his own abilities as a corner back, which his level of play has not fully justified. You don't need to have played in the NFL to figure that out. And it is possible to complement the current coaching staff without appearing to be sucking up. He had previously made statements about how great the current regime is, and by implication, how crappy the previous staff was. I don't need to be beaten over the head with it.

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 22, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

pa, I'm gonna go with 6 interceptions in 5 years...isn't the ultimate goal of a corner back to pick off passes...in that regard, CR has been a colussal failure.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 22, 2010 10:02 AM

No. The ultimate goal of a corner is to prevent the other team's wide receivers from making big plays and scoring touchdowns, and to offer run support/containment off the edge on running plays. Interceptions are just icing.

Posted by: ecale25 | March 22, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

pa, I'm gonna go with 6 interceptions in 5 years...isn't the ultimate goal of a corner back to pick off passes...in that regard, CR has been a colussal failure.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 22, 2010 10:02 AM

No. The ultimate goal of a corner is to prevent the other team's wide receivers from making big plays and scoring touchdowns, and to offer run support/containment off the edge on running plays. Interceptions are just icing.

Posted by: ecale25 | March 22, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Right... but then Orakpo goes on to earn a Pro Bowl birth at the OLB position. In fact, Orakpo produced more sacks than any other rookie DE or OLB in the 2009 draft class. Actually, I believe the WaPo also perpetuated the notion that Orakpo couldn't play the OLB position. But the kid goes on and earns a Pro Bowl nod and proves all the armchair d-coordinators wrong.

Posted by: SkinsFreak | March 22, 2010 11:51 AM


Not sure how much I buy that when the vast majority of his sacks came when he had his hand in the dirt as a DE...

I said it last year: the only way this guy is an OLB is if it's in a 3-4. So now I feel 100% better about him playing the LB position.

But if there's 4 down lineman, he'd better be one of 'em...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 22, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Why haven't we heard more about Leight Torrence?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 22, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

"Where can I find the "celeb" list?"


Drive to an immigrant run convinence store in a bad neighborhood, go into the bathroom, and whatever names are listed under "For A Good Time Call..." in a dank urine-stained, gloryholed stall are pretty much the same names on the list.

Again, I didn't make the list, but I bet I can give as good a time as any of the dudes who are.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 22, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

You can't spell celebrity without celerity... or for that matter, without celery.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 22, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Orapko is not a 4-3 DE. Never was even in college. BECAUSE HE CAN'T STOP THE RUN from the hand-down position. He made the PRO BOWL on his sacks. Not his ability to stop the run. Please stop this nonsense.

Posted by: periculum | March 22, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

DeAngelo, DeAngelo.
You who always attempts to wax eloquent.
You who always waxes often.
How about coming up to play the run next year would you?

You are no DG #28
HTTR!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | March 22, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

If I was Deangelo...I would be more worried that Shanny was impressed with me...

Posted by: OVIHtrick8 | March 22, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Greg McElroy. Another reason to look towards the 2011 QB class. All he does is win games.

Posted by: TWISI | March 22, 2010 11:58 AM
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I'm an Alabama fan and I really hope he earns the praise this coming year. The national championship was all about their running game on O and the Tide D: McClain, Mt. Cody (especially vs. Tennessee), and the DBs.

Posted by: closer44 | March 22, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Unless Bradford looks like the reincarnation of John Elway or probably more likely with the shoulder: Christian Adolph Jurgenson ... they will not draft him 4th overall. This draft will likely see an offensive tackle or a safety.

Posted by: periculum | March 22, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Gilbert Arenas needs to see a therapist/psychiatrist on the regular.

I think he's a deeply troubled dude.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 22, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Actually, RED I believe I read somewhere that the WIZ are having that done.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 22, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Moe

Gibbs II twice missed badley at QB.... we will never know for sure, but most of the other competitive pieces he put in place ie very strong defense and running game / oline...but brunell was beyond awful and our offense was inept dispite having a 1500 back.....JC also has underwhelmed.... in the end it was a disapointment but Gibbs steady a sinking ship which lead indirectly to shanny ( after the the scuttling of ss Zorn)

Posted by: OriginalOldschool1 | March 22, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

If I was Deangelo...I would be more worried that Shanny was impressed with me...

Posted by: OVIHtrick8 | March 22, 2010 12:09 PM
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Ladies and Gentleman, that pretty well sums it up for DeAngelo
HTTR!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | March 22, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Interceptions are just icing.

Posted by: ecale25

I guess wins are "just icing" too. I can count at least 5 games where Carlos Rogers had a pick-six in his hands -- including a playoff loss at Seattle -- that could have sealed a win for the Redskins. I'll take an INT over balls batted down (pause) with his stone hands.

Carlos Rogers was drafted high in the first round because he had unique tools CB tools: size and speed. If he could JUST CATCH A BALL, he'd have justified his draft ranking and maybe have evolved into an elite corner. Now he's just a broken player. He can't catch, and he can't resist a double move.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | March 22, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Why haven't we heard more about Leight Torrence?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 22, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Because that's not his name?

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 22, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Hey Reid, I think everyones wondering:

What is DeAngelo Hall eating for lunch today?

Posted by: dovelevine | March 22, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

No. The ultimate goal of a corner is to prevent the other team's wide receivers from making big plays and scoring touchdowns, and to offer run support/containment off the edge on running plays. Interceptions are just icing.

Posted by: ecale25 | March 22, 2010 12:01 PM
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Then Carlos still fails. But I don't buy it, anyway. A CB whose hands are as bad as CR's doesn't have top-tier talent, no matter what else he does. I've been amazed at some of the balls he's dropped. And from what we're hearing about Shanahan's supposed emphasis on turnovers, maybe he would agree.

Posted by: closer44 | March 22, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

"Gibbs II twice missed badly at QB..."


I think we could all find something to second quess about Gibbs 2.0.

I wasn't for the Portis/Bailey trade.

But like Gibbs, I was high in J Campbell when he came out of Auburn.

Which is why I couldn't undertstand why he had to sit behind the obviously arm-strenght challenged M Brunell.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 22, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

If what we need is an OT [and we certainly do]
Then why would we remain at #4?
I sound like a parrot.
Been repeating this for the last two months,
trade down to about 10-12 in first round, select an OT there, and in addition we will pick up another pick or two in the draft.
Seeing Shanny and Bruce Allen have so many holes to fill...
Fill them NOW with YOUR guys from the start for your very first season!!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | March 22, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

move Rabach over to G and suddenly the inside of the O-line looks pretty good.

Posted by: brownwood26
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Isn't Rabach much too small for G?

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | March 22, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Reid, why cover anything Deangelo Hall says. He's the biggest knucklehead the Skins have. He makes interceptions because he's out of position, he gets burned all the time, and he can't and won't tackle. The media such as yourself who gives this guy a spotlight ought to be doing something else for a living. This is the same guy who said of the 10 first cuts that they were "dead weight." Rock Cartwright and Ledell Betts were not "dead weight." Go get another job and WP hire someone else as the Redskins Insider who actualls knows what they're talking about.

Posted by: getitritegov | March 22, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

He makes plays because he's out of position? Really?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 22, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

"Gibbs II twice missed badly at QB..."

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ummm Gibbs 2.0 did get a mediocre team to the playoffs, twice.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 22, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

so can someone re-post the list?
:)
HTTR!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | March 22, 2010 11:55 AM |

Here is a clue:

Wow, these clowns consider themselves "RI celebrities"? What an unbelievable circle-jerk you've put together here.

Knowing this it shouldn't be too hard to figure out should it? Think of it as a break from your daily sudoku regimen ...

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | March 22, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Rock was no All Pro RB.
However saying Rock Cartright was "dead weight"
Pure, unadulterated Ignorance!

HTTR!


Posted by: RedskinRay1 | March 22, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I wasn't for the Portis/Bailey trade.

Posted by: MistaMoe
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I'm curious, do you think Champ would have stayed a Skin? I remember at the time not being terribly upset, even though I thought Champ was a more valuable player than Portis, because I thought it was common knowledge Champ wanted out and was going to hit the road as a free agent. Plus, Smoot was coming off a really good year. The thing that pissed me off was when I learned we threw in a 2nd-round pick. I thought that was absurd.

Posted by: closer44 | March 22, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I don't see a problem with D'Angelo Hall...

He's catches the ball, makes good returns and is a good young talent. Yes, he blew the Delhomme tackle in the Carolina game and he's not as strong in run support.

I like the guy...but maybe that's just me.

Posted by: rickyroge | March 22, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

If what we need is an OT [and we certainly do]
Then why would we remain at #4?
I sound like a parrot.
Been repeating this for the last two months,
trade down to about 10-12 in first round, select an OT there, and in addition we will pick up another pick or two in the draft.
Seeing Shanny and Bruce Allen have so many holes to fill...
Fill them NOW with YOUR guys from the start for your very first season!!

Posted by: RedskinRay1
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Then I assume you've heard a lot of parrots repeatedly responding with "Sure we want more than one cracker, but we need someone else to trade up first"?

On that note, what type of extra pick would we likely get from someone trading up for our # 4 from say middle first round? A high 2?

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | March 22, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Actually in my adult years I've found that each circle of friends has some who think they are the celebrities or are self-appointed leaders, attempting to dictate to the others in the circle.

Fair enough?
HTTR!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | March 22, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Think of it as a break from your daily sudoku regimen ...

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | March 22, 2010 12:21 PM

Jesus. Another day having to put up with what this dick thinks is witty.

Posted by: BlackBagOps | March 21, 2010 11:40 AM

Posted by: League-Source | March 22, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

"...do you think Champ would have stayed a Skin?"

He had a contract and should've played it out.

Then, if he's gone, well, who cares?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 22, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

On that note, what type of extra pick would we likely get from someone trading up for our # 4 from say middle first round? A high 2?

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | March 22, 2010 12:25 PM

Oh yes, but we need to contact teams seeing what would be the best deals we could receive at #4?

HTTR!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | March 22, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Whaaaaaaaaa.... Hall called Cartwright and Betts "dead weight".

They were dead weight.

dead weight 

–noun

2.a heavy or oppressive burden or responsibility.


And that's exactly what Cartwright and Betts were.

I know many of you had your peroid and a damn cow when they were cut, but I think it's time to move on from it now. If Shanahan is known for making anybody a 1k back, then don't you think he would've kept at least Betts?

Posted by: RedDMV | March 22, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

"...do you think Champ would have stayed a Skin?"

He had a contract and should've played it out.

Then, if he's gone, well, who cares?
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I'd have to check (and probably won't), but I thought he only had a year left. Certainly could be wrong.

Posted by: closer44 | March 22, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

ummm Gibbs 2.0 did get a mediocre team to the playoffs, twice.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 22, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Yup, and people often forget where we were when Gibbs got here. We were just coming out of the Spurrier years and still trying to recover from the free agent debacle of 1999-2000 and the horrible draft classes of 2001-2003. He did a lot with what we had and you are being generous by saying we were a mediocre team.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 22, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

However saying Rock Cartright was "dead weight"
Pure, unadulterated Ignorance!

Ray, Rocks contributions to the team were only slightly better than mine were...please with the talk about Rock, he showed his true colors when he was cut....and subsequently getting picked up by another team, oh wait thats right...31 other teams have to this point said no thanks...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 22, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

If I was Deangelo...I would be more worried that Shanny was impressed with me...

Posted by: OVIHtrick8 | March 22, 2010 12:09 PM
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Ladies and Gentleman, that pretty well sums it up for DeAngelo
HTTR!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | March 22, 2010 12:14 PM
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It is always an interesting correlation when players begin to give positive interviews and journalistic access.. It usually occurs in the twilight of their playing years (need media face time) and/or when they know they may have difficulty in making the roster.
Haslett could reach the same conclusion the Raiders did.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 22, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

know many of you had your peroid and a damn cow when they were cut, but I think it's time to move on from it now. If Shanahan is known for making anybody a 1k back, then don't you think he would've kept at least Betts?

Posted by: RedDMV | March 22, 2010 12:31 PM
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This is a classic example of how misunderstandings and assumptions drive conversations...

Hold on their fellow RedDMV.
Yes, you are correct it is time to move on.
The team is old, not winning, so now is the time.
The issue for many of us was NOT either of them being cut. But DeAngelo [I don't play the run] Hall saying they were "dead weight".

Cartright? no one worked harder on special teams! He was the heart and soul of cover teams.
DeAngelo doesn't want to get his butt out there on cover teams!!
Butts? Did whatever was asked, and kept working hard after repeated injuries. A good guy, who yes, could be cut and was. But never should it be said he was a "dead weight"

HTTR!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | March 22, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

It is always an interesting correlation when players begin to give positive interviews and journalistic access.. It usually occurs in the twilight of their playing years (need media face time) and/or when they know they may have difficulty in making the roster.
Haslett could reach the same conclusion the Raiders did.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 22, 2010 12:38 PM
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Another enlightening post.
Do you get what he is saying?
DeAngelo is insecure, knows failed as Raider, has not performed well here either.
New FO and Coaching Staff enters and DeAngelo begins overcompensating by turning on good guys like Betts and Rock calling them "dead weight".
And why?
He is covering his own backside, trying to publicly appear to be all for the new FO and HC.
When in reality?
Nothing has changed....
It's still all about DeAngelo.

HTTR!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | March 22, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Why haven't we heard more about Leight Torrence?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 22, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Because that's not his name?

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 22, 2010 12:14 PM
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Gee, I have committed the ultimate sin on RI - a spelling error, and worse, it came on the expense of the sacred Leigh. Oh, please forgive me! Now, back to the frivolity...

Whne are we going to hear a good story about Demetric Evans???

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 22, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

"Some stuff will be a little different up front, but as far as the back end, it's not going to change much," Hall said. "We're starting to put in stuff. Yeah, the words might say something different, but the responsibility is not going to change much.
*******

I recall the front 7 playing pretty well and the back end stinking it up, well, like a back end.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 22, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

On DeAngelo and "Dead Weight": My guess is that he was talking to a reporter and went with a cliche people throw out there all the time and didn't really give it a second thought. I tend to doubt he had any personal grievance w/ Rock, Betts, Thomas, Griff, et. al. Or maybe he did. Maybe he sat up all night thinking how can I get back at those bastards--got it! I'll tell a reporter they were dead weight. Was it a careless comment? Yeah. Was it malicious? ?

Posted by: closer44 | March 22, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Is there any news on if Barry Sims is going to sign with the Redskins after his recent visit? Last I heard he was weighing his options (though I am unaware of what his other options were).

Posted by: jviv | March 22, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

However saying Rock Cartright was "dead weight"
Pure, unadulterated Ignorance!

Ray, Rocks contributions to the team were only slightly better than mine were...please with the talk about Rock, he showed his true colors when he was cut....and subsequently getting picked up by another team, oh wait thats right...31 other teams have to this point said no thanks...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 22, 2010 12:33 PM
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Don't forget the CFL - that would be 39 teams have passed... Wait! If we add UFL teams that would be 43 teams have passed... Nobody - I mean nobody - wants a piece of the rock...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 22, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

"Haynesworth, however, has not commented publicly on his situation"

until he does, then everything else is mere speculation....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 22, 2010 9:36 AM


I can respect that...we rely on speculation and hearsay to get our "inside" information, so that's all I'm going on at this point.

Even if there's a hint that Haynesworth could be a problem, I'd get rid of him before it comes to a head...because once it does, any trade value he has (if he has any at all) will be gone.

Again...not saying it'll happen, just hoping it does.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 22, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Sorry to join the conversation late, but I've been traveling all morning. What is this about? Someone is thinking of trading AH. He was the best player on our D last year. He was a force in the middle. I think out D ranked first or close to it on stopping plays on third or fourth and one last year. He elevated Andre Carter's play. So what if he only played about 60% of the D plays. He is pushing 600+ #'s every play(double teams). I think he's worth every penny of the $41 mill we're paying him. He is a true warrior. Trading him for a 3rd? Don't get it!

Posted by: frediefritz | March 22, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Whne are we going to hear a good story about Demetric Evans???

Posted by: RedSkinHead
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My kingdom for an update on Zeron Flemister!

Posted by: closer44 | March 22, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Right... but then Orakpo goes on to earn a Pro Bowl birth at the OLB position. In fact, Orakpo produced more sacks than any other rookie DE or OLB in the 2009 draft class. Actually, I believe the WaPo also perpetuated the notion that Orakpo couldn't play the OLB position. But the kid goes on and earns a Pro Bowl nod and proves all the armchair d-coordinators wrong.

.................................................

Posted by: SkinsFreak | March 22, 2010 11:51 AM

1st of all, I don't know how you can say this...

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 22, 2010 11:58 AM |

You're right, my bad... not sure how I could say that Orakpo made the Pro Bowl as an OLB. Thanks for clearing that up!

Posted by: SkinsFreak | March 22, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Someone is thinking of trading AH. He was the best player on our D last year.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 22, 2010 12:50 PM

Brownwood wants to trade him. Brownwood has decided that Haynesworth is unable to play in a 3-4. Brownwood is the one who decided last year that Orakpo couldn't play LB. Remember Orakpo? He went to the pro bowl as a rookie LB.

Posted by: League-Source | March 22, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Ray1, get over it man! He called them "dead weight"... I mean really, who gives a damn? Why is this such a big deal? Really, you hate Hall that much you're going to sh*t flames over this?

Rock "The Hardest Working Man In NFL Special Teams History" isn't here anymore. Call me crazy for being more concerned for the guys WHO are here.

Besides, while it sounds cold and f'd up, maybe Hall just choose his words poorly. Who knows what type of relationship he had with any of those 10 guys? From what I understand him and Smoot were actually pretty cool.

But no one talks about that. Just because two guys, one a career special teams stalwart, the other a 1k back -- in 2206, everyone wants to cry about how they were disenfranchised.

Not crying for either Cartwright or Betts, especially Cartwright. He showed his "high character" and class during last season and when he was cut this offseason.

Good riddance to the dead weight!!!!

Posted by: RedDMV | March 22, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

On that note, what type of extra pick would we likely get from someone trading up for our # 4 from say middle first round? A high 2?

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | March 22, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse
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Per the draft value chart, it would be approximately two mid first rounders. #4 is roughly weighted 1800 pts, and pick #16 is 1000 pts. Not gospel, but a pick that high should warrant two firsties or an entire draft ala the Ricky deal. Not quite, but you get the picture.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 22, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Orapko is not a 4-3 DE. Never was even in college. BECAUSE HE CAN'T STOP THE RUN from the hand-down position. He made the PRO BOWL on his sacks. Not his ability to stop the run. Please stop this nonsense.

Posted by: periculum

Was concerned that he would struggle against the run when he was picked -- but I thought he did play reasonably well vs the run.

Even though Orakpo has good speed, pass coverage was another story.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 22, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

"He went to the pro bowl as a rookie LB."

I thought he went to the PB based on his play as a DE, not based on his getting torched in coverage as an LB. He just happened to be listed on the ballot as a LB.

Posted by: closer44 | March 22, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Don't think I need to comment again other than to say regarding Rock:
Never said at 31 [you say he is 31] he should not be cut.
Also did say it was time to move on, with younger players.
My beef was who does DeAngelo [I don't play the Run, I don't even tackle old QBs who can't run anymore] Hall think he is calling Rock and Betts "dead weight".

If you guys can't see a problem w/ DeAngelo doing that, then fine, we agree to disagree.
Now it's time for us to move on, apparently.
:)

HTTR

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | March 22, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

You're right, my bad... not sure how I could say that Orakpo made the Pro Bowl as an OLB. Thanks for clearing that up!

Posted by: SkinsFreak

Orakpo is listed as an OLB, but EVERYONE knows that he's really a 4-3 DE.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 22, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!!!

Can't believe I'm tied for 6th in the brackets -- and tied for 3rd in PPR. Heck, I picked a 12 seed to win it all.

The blind squirrel/acorn analogy is totally applicable.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 22, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Whaaaaaaa.... I hate DeAngelo Hall so much that if said the word 'and' I would have a seizure and coma at the same time....

WHAAAAAAWHAAAAAAWHAAAAAAAWHAAAAAWHHHAAAAAAAAAWHAAAAAWHAAAWHAAAA

Posted by: RedDMV | March 22, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Per the draft value chart, it would be approximately two mid first rounders. #4 is roughly weighted 1800 pts, and pick #16 is 1000 pts. Not gospel, but a pick that high should warrant two firsties or an entire draft ala the Ricky deal. Not quite, but you get the picture.

Posted by: mattsoundworld
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Anything even approaching that would be great. I'd think there's a chance someone might trade up for # 4 for Suh, Bradford, Clausen if any of them dropped to us. Can't say the same re: Okung (too many other high rated OT's) or Berry, and don't know about McCoy.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | March 22, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

so can someone re-post the list?
:)
HTTR!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | March 22, 2010 11:55 AM |

RedDMV, League-Source - your fawning fandom yearns to learn the identity of your illustrious compatriots. Can't either one of you give the dude a break and publish the list?

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | March 22, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Per the draft value chart, it would be approximately two mid first rounders. #4 is roughly weighted 1800 pts, and pick #16 is 1000 pts. Not gospel, but a pick that high should warrant two firsties or an entire draft ala the Ricky deal. Not quite, but you get the picture.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 22, 2010 12:55 PM
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Willing to admit I am wrong on this.
But my understanding is that this chart is outdated and teams do not make as many of these types of draft deals as was seen in the 80's and 90's.
But again, I may be wrong on this...
Thanks for the post, mattsoundworld.

HTTR!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | March 22, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 22, 2010 1:00 PM

Zeke- You picked Cornell to cut down the nets??

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 22, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Can't believe I'm tied for 6th in the brackets -- and tied for 3rd in PPR. Heck, I picked a 12 seed to win it all.

The blind squirrel/acorn analogy is totally applicable.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 22, 2010 1:00 PM
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good thing the bracket schedule makers protected Duke..
Duke should of had a bye to the final 8.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 22, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

But no one talks about that. Just because two guys, one a career special teams stalwart, the other a 1k back -- in 2206, everyone wants to cry about how they were disenfranchised.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 22, 2010 12:55 PM
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Some people here whined when we cut that wide-right-from-22-yards-out kicker, too.

Which was the bigger insult? DeAngelo Hall calling those guys dead weight or Bruce Allen kicking them to the curb? BA didn't say the words, but it's pretty obvious he thought they were dead weight, too.

Posted by: closer44 | March 22, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Whne are we going to hear a good story about Demetric Evans???

Posted by: RedSkinHead
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My kingdom for an update on Zeron Flemister!

Posted by: closer44 | March 22, 2010 12:52 PM
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Let's not forget Joe Salavea...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 22, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 22, 2010 1:00 PM

Zeke- You picked Cornell to cut down the nets??

Posted by: Diesel44

ABSOLUTELY :)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 22, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

"When are we going to hear a good story about Demetric Evans?"


I'm interested in the details about how the team's offense will look next year.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 22, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Wait until Shanny starts watching Hall's tackling on tape. DH will really have to butter him up then!

Posted by: joeboggs | March 22, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

F Peter King

Peter King Is Skeptical Of The Sean Taylor Draft Pick

Posted Mar 22nd 2010 10:53AM by Matt Terl

There was a while on this blog where it seemed like I was really poking a lot of fun at SI.com's Peter King, and -- honestly -- I kind of felt bad about it. He's an easy target, and he was a genuinely nice and accommodating guy the times I've met him, so I tried to dial it back a bit and, I don't know, write about Fred Smoot being goofy instead.

Still, this was a bit much. For everything that's gone wrong for the Redskins in the last decade, you would think that the on-field performance of Sean Taylor would be the one thing that's pretty much beyond reproach. In his tragically shortened three-and-a-half year career, Taylor made two Pro Bowls and one All-Pro team. (The second Pro Bowl was announced posthumously, but Taylor was tied for the NFC interception lead when he was injured and also had 42 tackles.)

Among NFL safeties for his entire career -- so for the 2004 through 2007 seasons -- Taylor finished twelfth in tackles, tied for fifth in forced fumbles, third in passes defensed, and tied for fifth in interceptions.

For Peter King, though, none of that is really enough to justify Taylor's selection at fifth overall in the 2004 NFL Draft. Or, at least, that's what I'm inferring from what he's written the last two weeks.

In his Monday Morning Quarterback column two weeks ago, King was arguing that perhaps we're all overvaluing draft picks in this year's supposedly strong NFL Draft. "The last time I heard so many raves about a draft beforehand was the 2004 crop," he wrote, "with the three good quarterbacks (Rivers, Manning, Roethlisberger) and rock-solid depth at several other positions."

Then he lists out the fifth through tenth picks in the draft, starting with Taylor. The idea, of course, is that these guys -- Kellen Winslow, wide receiver Roy Williams, our own DeAngelo Hall, Reggie Williams, and Dunta Robinson -- haven't quite lived up to their pre-draft billing. And this is the conclusion King reaches: "Six years later, six of the top 10 picks in a thought-to-be excellent draft are gone, with just traces of the impact they were supposed to have left on their teams."

Which is accurate enough, I guess, although I would argue that destroying your body by running your motorcycle off a curb (like Winslow) or simply not performing up to expectations (like both wide receivers named Williams) is a little different than being murdered in a botched burglary attempt.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 22, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Cont…
But, whatever, you can see the point he's trying to make, however clumsy and insensitive it may be. I'm the last person to criticize someone for accidentally being emotionally awkward, and besides: it was only a one-time thing.

Then, this week, he returned to the same theme from a completely different angle. Now he's warning teams off selecting highly-regarded Tennessee safety Eric Berry too high in the draft, and guess who's part of the object lesson of why not to use a high draft pick on a safety.

"Berry looks like a top-10 pick," King writes, "but the team that takes him is going to be picking against history. Of the four top-10 safeties this decade, none has had franchise-player impact: Sean Taylor (Washington, fifth overall, 2004), Michael Huff (Oakland, seventh, 2006), Donte Whitner (Buffalo, eighth, 2006), LaRon Landry (Washington, sixth, 2007). Taylor might have had franchise-player impact if he had not been gunned down three-and-a-half years into his career. But overall, the position justifies the caution lots of teams are taking with it."
Lest you think I'm taking King's words out of context, let me re-write and re-emphasize his follow up sentences, the one that' are clearly supposed to mitigate the awkwardness of his sentiment:

"Taylor might have had franchise-player impact if he had not been gunned down three-and-a-half years into his career. But overall, the position justifies the caution lots of teams are taking with it."

This is a frankly ridiculous notion. First of all, I would argue that Taylor was already well on his way to being a franchise player. Between his statistics (which I've already enumerated), the anecdotal impact he had on his teammates, and his undeniable popularity with the fans, he already was at the time of his death just about everything you want in a franchise player.

Second of all, again, how does his murder in anyway contribute to an argument that "overall, the [safety] position justifies the caution lots of teams are taking with it"? If his on-field performance had just continued at the level he was at, he would've more than been worth the number five overall pick; the fact that he died doesn't change that in any way.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 22, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Conclusion..
So, again, let me not be sensationalistic about this. This is not "OMG PETER KING HATES SEAN TAYLOR LOL". Both his contentions are worthy of consideration. In fact, if you leave Taylor out of both arguments, I'd say that King makes some good points.

But he didn't leave Taylor out. So all I'm saying is that twice now, on consecutive weeks, King has either severely underestimated Taylor's contributions to the Redskins, or severely overestimated how much "possibility of being murdered" should factor into draft preparation.

But a video is worth infinity-thousand words, so I'll just shut up and re-post this highlight/tribute video to a guy who was so not worth the fifth pick in the draft that you shouldn't draft anyone else at his position in the top 5.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4v8csoqoKU&feature=related

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 22, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I was always a sucker for presence when I was a kid.

'Specially when Santa would leave them under the tree.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 22, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

This List you speak of:

"L-S,...One of the pitfalls of being a RI celebrity is the ankle biters."


RI Celebrities?

Let's see:

League_Source

Flounder21

Beantowngreg

RedDmv

theCork

dikShuttle

brownwood

periculum

scottcampbell1975

frak

redskinhead

diesel44

4thfloor

Now, "The List" is here for all to see.

As you can see, good people like paskinsfan, mattsoundworld, p1funk, mistamoe, and zcezcest1 aren't on it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 22, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

good thing the bracket schedule makers protected Duke..
Duke should of had a bye to the final 8.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM |

A&M would have taken down Duke if they hadn't blown it yesterday.

Baylor will beat Duke.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 22, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

good thing the bracket schedule makers protected Duke..
Duke should of had a bye to the final 8.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 22, 2010 1:08 PM |

Yes thats right they protected Duke, it's there fault Geaorgetown couldn't beat Ohio. It's also there fault that Maryland couldn't beat a injured Mich. State.

I'm sure they said lets put that basketball power Northern Iowa in the same bracket as Kansas, so Kansas has no chance.

Stop crying that your team got beat.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 22, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Wait until Shanny starts watching Hall's tackling on tape. DH will really have to butter him up then!

Posted by: joeboggs | March 22, 2010 1:23 PM
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Yep.
And there is no "hate" toward DeAngelo as I was accused earlier.
It is merely observations of his efforts and the hypocrisy for him to label others.

For instance if London Fletcher had called them "dead weight" I would give it much more of a hearing.

Hey, tough loss for the Terps yesterday, huh?
Gary really built a team this year that would not quit, and to have a big game taken like that at the end was tough on Gary and the guys, I'm sure.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | March 22, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Orapko is not a 4-3 DE. Never was even in college. BECAUSE HE CAN'T STOP THE RUN from the hand-down position. He made the PRO BOWL on his sacks. Not his ability to stop the run. Please stop this nonsense.

Posted by: periculum | March 22, 2010 12:08 PM

Wow...Just Wow....

Priest Holmes finally makes some sense...

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 22, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

A&M would have taken down Duke if they hadn't blown it yesterday.

Baylor will beat Duke.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 22, 2010 1:31 PM |

The redskins would have won the super bowl if they hadn't blown it all season.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 22, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Pretty strange about Holmgren commenting on Clausen. Those guys rarely say anything publicly, good or bad, this time of year.

Posted by: skinswest | March 22, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

good thing the bracket schedule makers protected Duke..
Duke should of had a bye to the final 8.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM |

A&M would have taken down Duke if they hadn't blown it yesterday.

Baylor will beat Duke.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 22, 2010 1:31 PM |
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I was, of course, being facetious.. Basically the slotting of Duke was akin to giving them a "bye".

Fortunately the BCS never got their "deal making" hands on NCAA BBall.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 22, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

periculum-
You canna no judge Orakpo from-a just from one year and colleges..Looka at Dwighta Freeney..Who wouldn't wanta him on there-a defensive line-a..

Anda there's no sucha thinga as a SANITEE CLAUS!!!

Posted by: frak | March 22, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Wow...Just Wow....

Priest Holmes finally makes some sense...

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 22, 2010 1:35 PM

+1 maybe they should cut his dead weight now.

Posted by: skinswest | March 22, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

PKing can eat crap and die....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 22, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Right... but then Orakpo goes on to earn a Pro Bowl birth at the OLB position. In fact, Orakpo produced more sacks than any other rookie DE or OLB in the 2009 draft class. Actually, I believe the WaPo also perpetuated the notion that Orakpo couldn't play the OLB position. But the kid goes on and earns a Pro Bowl nod and proves all the armchair d-coordinators wrong.

Posted by: SkinsFreak | March 22, 2010 11:51 AM


Not sure how much I buy that when the vast majority of his sacks came when he had his hand in the dirt as a DE...

I said it last year: the only way this guy is an OLB is if it's in a 3-4. So now I feel 100% better about him playing the LB position.

But if there's 4 down lineman, he'd better be one of 'em...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 22, 2010 12:01 PM |

Well, if the Skins had only used a 4-3 last year than then you may have a point. But like Fletcher recently said, their defense last year incorporated many aspects of the 3-4. And what we say from Orakpo confirms that. For example, Orakpo was used very similarly to how Dallas and their 4-3 uses DaMarcus Ware; a hand in the dirt on many plays rushing the QB.

Posted by: SkinsFreak | March 22, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

The redskins would have won the super bowl if they hadn't blown it all season.

Posted by: Flounder21


Jim Zorn would've been a smart head coach if he wasn't just a stupid position coach.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 22, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinfanman | March 22, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 22, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

yea F Peter King for that.

He could have left ST out of it and still made both his points.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 22, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Duke is different from the last ciuple of years. They are bigger up front w/ Zubek and Plumlee and they don't always rely on the 3, they will play Kentucky in the final 4.

Posted by: joeboggs | March 22, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

For example, Orakpo was used very similarly to how Dallas and their 4-3 uses DaMarcus Ware; a hand in the dirt on many plays rushing the QB.

Posted by: SkinsFreak | March 22, 2010 1:41 PM |

The cowgirls run a 3-4 keep your friends close but your enemies closer.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 22, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

PKing can eat crap and die....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 22, 2010 1:41 PM

Maybe he needs to talk to Parcells and Walsh so that he can change his mind. What a fat sack of shat...Monk and now ST.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 22, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

I don't know how I made the list....everyone generally hates me....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 22, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

periculum-
You canna no judge Orakpo from-a just from one year and colleges..Looka at Dwighta Freeney..Who wouldn't wanta him on there-a defensive line-a..

Anda there's no sucha thinga as a SANITEE CLAUS!!!

Posted by: frak

Nothing lika Marxa brothers reference ona RI

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 22, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Duke is different from the last ciuple of years. They are bigger up front w/ Zubek and Plumlee and they don't always rely on the 3, they will play Kentucky in the final 4.

Posted by: joeboggs | March 22, 2010 1:43 PM |

That would be impossible but final four would work.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 22, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

The redskins would have won the super bowl if they hadn't blown it all season.

Posted by: Flounder21


Jim Zorn would've been a smart head coach if he wasn't just a stupid position coach.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 22, 2010 1:41 PM

Both are true....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 22, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse


You're right, my bad... not sure how I could say that Orakpo made the Pro Bowl as an OLB. Thanks for clearing that up!

Posted by: SkinsFreak

Orakpo is listed as an OLB, but EVERYONE knows that he's really a 4-3 DE.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 22, 2010 12:59 PM

EVERYONE knows that he's really a 4-3 DE???

Oh...

Again... my bad. Not really sure who "everyone" is, but if that's the case, then Orakpo's accomplishments as a rookie earning a Pro Bowl nod at a position that "everyone knows" he's not suited to play is even more impressive. Thanks for making my point.

Posted by: SkinsFreak | March 22, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

How can you have an RI celebrity list without DCsween on it?

Unsat

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 22, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

You're right, my bad... not sure how I could say that Orakpo made the Pro Bowl as an OLB. Thanks for clearing that up!

Posted by: SkinsFreak | March 22, 2010 12:52 PM

Wow....just glanced over my whole argument....Smart Guy....Never EVER let facts get in your way up here....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 22, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

For example, Orakpo was used very similarly to how Dallas and their 4-3 uses DaMarcus Ware; a hand in the dirt on many plays rushing the QB.

Posted by: SkinsFreak | March 22, 2010 1:41 PM |

The cowgirls run a 3-4 keep your friends close but your enemies closer.
______________________________

LOL... sorry, I know, that's what I meant to type. Orakpo was used like Dallas and their 3-4 uses Ware.

Posted by: SkinsFreak | March 22, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

That would be impossible but final four would work.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 22, 2010 1:47 PM

What would be impossible? Nothings impossible after watching all the upsets. Plus Nolan Smith has stepped his game up tremendously and can slash and drive to the basket almost at will.

Posted by: joeboggs | March 22, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

The redskins would have won the super bowl if they hadn't blown it all season.

Posted by: Flounder21

Yeah, that's almost the same thing.

I'm not worried about Duke, they'll have their usual choke job along the line. I just think A&M would have had a substantially better chance to beat them than an injured Purdue will.

There were plenty of people who were shocked about how much of a tug-job Duke got in the bracket.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/6992/bracket-winners-and-losers

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/6991/first-reaction-to-the-bracket

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 22, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 22, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Jimmy Clausen isn't a Mike Holmgren style QB. Not a particularly good fit for the WCO, which is Mike's baby. He'd do better in something like New England runs, with more downfield passing.

Some downfield throwers have done well in the WCO (like Favre), but only with quite a bit of cutting and pasting.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 22, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Tony Grossi, of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, reports Cleveland Browns president Mike Holmgren likes Oklahoma QB Sam Bradford, but he believes the St. Louis Rams will pick him with the No. 1 pick in the 2010 NFL Draft. Holmgren said he would consider trading up for Bradford, but he does not think that would be realistic.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 22, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

You're right, my bad... not sure how I could say that Orakpo made the Pro Bowl as an OLB. Thanks for clearing that up!

Posted by: SkinsFreak | March 22, 2010 12:52 PM

Wow....just glanced over my whole argument....Smart Guy....Never EVER let facts get in your way up here....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 22, 2010 1:50 PM
________________________________

All I said was that the guy made the Pro Bowl as an OLB. Again... my bad. Sorry if my "facts" were misrepresented.

Posted by: SkinsFreak | March 22, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Tom Kowalski, of Mlive.com, reports if the Detroit Lions pursue restricted free-agent DE Anthony Hargrove (Saints), head coach Jim Schwartz plans to use Hargrove at both defensive end and defensive tackle. Schwartz said, 'He'd probably play end on first and second down and then rush from the inside on third down. He's still young. I think at some point he could be a full-time tackle. What he is now is an end who moves down to a rush role. He's a really athletic guy. He would fit in both of those roles."

Posted by: skinfanman | March 22, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I should know this but mym memory sucks...is it Carlos Rogers the one that has been complaining recently?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 22, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

"How can you have an RI celebrity list without DCsween on it?"


I'm wondering how rotfrau and sports_guru missed this list of self-appointed posers and work shirkers.

I'm telling you, the putz who made this list should be banned from RI.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 22, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn’t draft Clausen in the top 10 but WalterFootball gives FAIR BALANCE

Let's begin with the situation he was in during his college years. He comes from a pro-style offense, which gives him some big points right off the bat. He was coached by Charlie Weis, who is easily one of the most highly respected quarterback coaches and offensive minds in the NFL, let alone college.

Let's discuss Clausen's running game, or lack thereof. Consider the following facts:
• Clausen never shared a backfield with a 1,000-yard rusher.
• No running back eclipsed 700 rushing yards while Clausen was at Notre Dame.
• No running back had a run longer than 27 yards during Clausen's final two years at Notre Dame.
• No running back topped five rushing touchdowns during Clausen's career.
• The team as a whole never scored more than 13 rushing touchdowns.
• Non-quarterbacks never accounted for more than 11 touchdowns in a season.
• Clausen's running game (excluding quarterbacks) averaged 3.56, 3.57, and 4.8 YPC during his career.

Personally, I don't think it's a coincidence the running game miraculously took off just as Clausen had one of the best seasons by a junior quarterback in NCAA history.

Let's discuss Clausen's horrid offensive line:
• Clausen's offensive line gave up a school-record 58 sacks in 2007.
• At least three members of that offensive line were still starting his junior year.
• Clausen had three different left tackles and three different centers over his collegiate career.
• Barring some front office's idiocy, two of those left tackles will never play a down in the NFL, let alone be drafted, and the third (Sam Young) was not only moved to the right side after Clausen's freshman season, but will almost assuredly be a Day 3 pick at the earliest.
• Given the offensive line's production throughout Clausen's career, it is HIGHLY unlikely that Chris Stewart or Dan Wenger will be drafted earlier than the fifth round, giving Eric Olsen the chance to be the highest-drafted offensive lineman of Clausen's tenure at around the third or fourth round. Trevor Robinson at right guard may have that honor in a year or two, but, he's still a guard.

At the skill positions, Clausen had a substantial amount of talent - but that talent was constantly hurt. Consider the following points:


Posted by: Diesel44 | March 22, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Wow....just glanced over my whole argument....Smart Guy....Never EVER let facts get in your way up here....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 22, 2010 1:50 PM
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All I said was that the guy made the Pro Bowl as an OLB. Again... my bad. Sorry if my "facts" were misrepresented.

Posted by: SkinsFreak | March 22, 2010 1:57 PM

And you ignored everything else...Great....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 22, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

With all the moves the Lions are making on the DL it makes one suspicious they'll be taking Okung. So what do the Skins do if McCoy or Suh is there at #4? What about a line of AH, MK, and Suh? Do your needs win out if you're looking at drafting the next Reggie White?

Posted by: skinfanman | March 22, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Con't..

But, just to really hammer home the point, let's look at some other quarterbacks with stellar supporting casts who were high draft picks:

Matt Leinart: Reggie Bush, LenDale White, Dwayne Jarrett, Steve Smith, Winston Justice, Deuce Lutui, Ryan Kalil, Mike Williams, Lofa Tatupu, Shaun Cody and Mike Patterson - these are just the players selected in the first two rounds of the 2005-2007 NFL Drafts.

Mark Sanchez: Brian Cushing, Clay Matthews, Rey Maualuga and Fili Moala all went in the first two rounds in the 2009 NFL Draft. Patrick Turner was also selected in the third round. Damian Williams, Kris O'Dowd, Everson Griffen, Taylor Mays and Charles Brown all stand very good chances of being no later than second-round picks.

Matthew Stafford: Knowshon Moreno, Mohammed Massaquoi, Asher Allen and Corey Irvin were all selected in the first three rounds of the 2009 NFL Draft.

JaMarcus Russell: LaRon Landry, Dwayne Bowe and Craig Davis went in the first round of the same draft as Russell. Glenn Dorsey, Early Doucet, Jacob Hester and Chevis Jackson were all selected in the first three rounds of the 2008 NFL Draft.

Why did these four get passes for TONS of talent around them, while Clausen gets trashed repeatedly because of a supposedly elite receiver group? Russell had two first-round picks at receiver the same year he came out and still went No. 1 overall! All three of the other quarterbacks had at least a third-round pick at receiver the exact same year they declared for the NFL Draft, as well.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 22, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

good thing the bracket schedule makers protected Duke..
Duke should of had a bye to the final 8.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 22, 2010 1:08 PM |

Yes thats right they protected Duke, it's there fault Geaorgetown couldn't beat Ohio. It's also there fault that Maryland couldn't beat a injured Mich. State.

I'm sure they said lets put that basketball power Northern Iowa in the same bracket as Kansas, so Kansas has no chance.

Stop crying that your team got beat.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 22, 2010 1:32 PM
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lighten up flounder... I am not saying Duke doesnt deserve to be where they are.. Just reiterating what other journalists have stated about their slotting.

Imagine the ratings of two low seeds in the NCAA finals? About the same as an NIT Final.

Ref "My team".. they are not in the NCAA's..But, they played Cornell twice and lost both (blown out once 86-50).. So, I am pulling for Cornell as an Ivy rep.. ..but, the odds are slim and none they go much farther...UK looks too tough.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 22, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking this guy as our RT

http://www.pbase.com/faerie_39/image/94930859

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 22, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Conclusion..

Now, for Clausen's actual performance. We're talking 34 career starts in his career, along with an additional six attempts against Georgia Tech in the 2007 season opener. In those 34 starts, Clausen threw for:
• At least 240 yards 18 times.
• More than 300 yards 10 times.
• Greater than 400 yards 3 times.
• Three-plus touchdowns 10 times (seven of which came in his first 22 starts - his freshman and sophomore seasons).
• At least one touchdown in 13 consecutive games.
• At least 246 yards in 13 of his last 15 games, including a current streak of eight straight games.

Clausen has completed at least 70 percent of his passes nine times (min. 18 attempts), including twice with 40-plus passing attempts. He has also thrown more touchdowns than incompletions twice in his career.

Let's compare those stats to his interception numbers. Clausen has had eight multiple-interception games. He has not had more than one interception in a game since Nov. 29, 2008, giving him a 13-game streak of having one or fewer interceptions per contest. He has not had a multiple-interception home game since Sept. 13, 2008, a stretch of 11 games; during that period, he has thrown two interceptions in true home games.

Let's look at Clausen's overall performance. Since his freshman year, his quarterback rating has improved by a whopping 29 points every season (103.85 to 132.49 to 161.43). Keep in mind that Clausen was not given a redshirt at any point during his career; these are true freshman/sophomore/junior numbers.

To put Clausen's performance in perspective, his true sophomore numbers are roughly the same or better than Matt Ryan's senior season in every category except sacks (dead even at 21), attempts (Ryan had roughly 200 more), total passing yardage (Ryan had 700-plus yards more than any other pro-style quarterback drafted in the first round since 2004), and touchdowns (Ryan had 6 more TDs than Clausen). Yes, Clausen had fewer interceptions, a better completion percentage and more yards per attempt as a true sophomore than Ryan, the senior, No. 3 overall pick in 2008.

If nothing else, this ought to show Clausen's coachibility; he notably improved every season in college, and actually outperformed a senior top-five pick, which should quiet the strange murmurs that he was a "one-year wonder" (which, naturally, didn't hurt Mark Sanchez any, even though Clausen outperformed Sanchez in every statistical category except touchdowns, of which he had six fewer in one less game - a nearly insignificant difference when one realizes Sanchez had four touchdowns in that final game).

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 22, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking this guy as our RT

http://www.pbase.com/faerie_39/image/94930859

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 22, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 22, 2010 2:00 PM

So Jim Clausen is BAsically Jason Campbell?

No Thank you......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 22, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

With all the moves the Lions are making on the DL it makes one suspicious they'll be taking Okung. So what do the Skins do if McCoy or Suh is there at #4? What about a line of AH, MK, and Suh? Do your needs win out if you're looking at drafting the next Reggie White?

Posted by: skinfanman | March 22, 2010 2:03 PM

Apparently you missed the most accurate Mock Draft out there.....I'll repost it for you:

4th's Mock Draft (3.0)

1. Bradford
2. Okung
3. McCoy
4. Suh/Spiller


The #4 pick will ultimatly come down to if they want to go offense or defense. Offense - Spiller. Defense - Suh.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 22, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

If nothing else, this ought to show Clausen's coachibility; he notably improved every season in college, and actually outperformed a senior top-five pick, which should quiet the strange murmurs that he was a "one-year wonder" (which, naturally, didn't hurt Mark Sanchez any, even though Clausen outperformed Sanchez in every statistical category except touchdowns, of which he had six fewer in one less game - a nearly insignificant difference when one realizes Sanchez had four touchdowns in that final game).

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 22, 2010 2:04 PM

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

All good points, but Kiper is still the only one out there who thinks Clausen is a 1st round talent. That's not to say he won't get drafted in the 1st round by some team, but most don't believe he's anywhere near a 1st round talent, irregardless of Notre Dames running game, offensive line or WR's. There are many areas of criteria more crucial to evaluate.

Posted by: SkinsFreak | March 22, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

I don't know how I made the list....everyone generally hates me....

Posted by: 4thFloor


Co-signing on both counts. Once when applied to me, the other to you.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 22, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Same post since 9:15 am? JReid must be working on his big scoop.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | March 22, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Same post since 9:15 am? JReid must be working on his big scoop.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | March 22, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse
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Rocky road or mint chocolate chip?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 22, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 22, 2010 2:00 PM

So Jim Clausen is BAsically Jason Campbell?

No Thank you......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 22, 2010 2:11 PM

I agree. I just wanted to give fair since I've been labeled a Clausen hater for not wanting to waste the next 5 years by blowing the #4 pick on this jackass..

http://curveballsforjesus.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/jimmy-clausen-with-muppet.jpg

http://www.notredamesucks.org/clausen.jpg

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 22, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather eat my own kidney than draft spiller at #4.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 22, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 22, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Interesting perspective...


"I do think he's maxed out physically," McShay said of Clausen. "I don't think he'll develop as a player like Bradford or others will. ... The track record of underclassmen is not good. When immaturity is in the equation, it makes it unlikely he'll handle his first year if things don't go well."

If Bradford is gone and Clausen is a no-no, then who should the Redskins take? If Oklahoma State left tackle Russell Okung is available, he's the choice, McShay said. If not, then it gets cloudy.

Tackle is the biggest need. However, the other tackles rated that high -- Oklahoma's Trent Williams and Iowa's Bryan Bulaga -- might project more to right tackle. The stock of Rutgers' Anthony Davis is free-falling, and Maryland's Bruce Campbell is not a top-10 player. Maybe not even top 50.

So if Bradford is gone ... and Okung is gone ... and the Redskins don't trade down, they could end up with one of the defensive tackles, Gerald McCoy (the pass-rusher) or Ndamukong Suh (the run-stuffer).

"You can never go wrong drafting a great player," McShay said. "You'd have to bite the bullet and go defensive tackle."

I know McShay isn't the "know-all, end-all" but his views on Clausen are shared by many industry professionals.

Posted by: SkinsFreak | March 22, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Same post since 9:15 am? JReid must be working on his big scoop.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | March 22, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse
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Rocky road or mint chocolate chip?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 22, 2010 2:22 PM
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funny...matty..

Maybe JR read today's Haynesworth trade headline on bleacherreport and thought it was true... And hasnt left the Park since.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/366935-the-redskins-trade-haynesworth-campbell-and-cooley

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 22, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Sports Bog has some quotes from AH.

Sounds like he is doing his own off-season work out because he wasn't happy with the shape he was in last season after working out with the Redskins.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 22, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

PortisPocketsStr8

There is a post about AH and his off-season workouts. It explains alot. I just read it myself.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 22, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather eat my own kidney than draft spiller at #4.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

I didn't realize those were the choices

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 22, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather eat my own kidney than draft spiller at #4.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 22, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Hows about a plate of afterbirth?

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | March 22, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

"According to Pro Football Focus, they analyze every play from the tapes.

...Looks like he is pretty bad at run-blocking

Posted by: alanb1231 | March 22, 2010 10:13 AM"

Let's (for the sake of argument) say this "PFF" does look at every play (available) from the tapes.

I have some questions.

1) Does "PFF's staff" call the team to ask what the line blocking calls were?

If I am playing Guard, and I block the correct play but the RB ran to the wrong spot, causing me to be in position for the CORRECT play, but I miss the block I try to throw to "patch" the error the RB made...whom do you charge that missed block to?

2) Does "PFF's staff" even know the difference between the blown play, and a play that develops for the RB to have choices at a certain spot?

3) Does "PFF's staff" know WHY there was a missed block at that position on the play?

EXAMPLE: If I am playing Guard, and the OT or the TE step on my foot, causing me to slip, whom do you charge that missed block to?

The questions would be the same for the CB rankings.

4) How does "PFF's staff" assert they knew what the D-line, LB, S, & CBs coverage, containment, or rush responsibilities were on a given play?

I'm going to guess (and it is STRICTLY a GUESS) the answer to questions 1, 2, & 3 is a resounding , "uuumm NO."

I'm also going to guess that there is no concrete answer for question 4 either.

That being said, what criteria DOES this "PFF's staff" use to grade by position?

I'm REALLY curious about that. I know I can tell you how people I know break down film. I know how I break down film.

Inquiring minds want to know.

Posted by: ThinkingMan | March 22, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

According to Pro Football Focus, here are the rankings of Redskins cornerbacks last year based on at least 100 plays.
CB Rogers 67/140
CB Tryon 89/140
CB Smoot 95/140
CB Hall 106/140
Still think Hall is a "top" cornerback?

Posted by: alanb1231 | March 22, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse


Yes I do.

I've looked and toggled through the Pro Football Focus stats. I'm not even sure how they arrive at their overall rankings and how they weigh the various criteria. They've got guys like Tramon Williams and Terrel THomas ranked ahead of Nnamdi Asamoaugh.

But out of the cornerbacks that played at least 60% of the team's snaps, DHall is ranked 4th overall in the league in opposing QB rating.

He's behind only Darelle Revis, Leon Hall and Charles Woodson.

Even when you increase the pool to all CBs who played 25% of their team's snaps DHall is ranked 7th (out of 107 CBs) in that category.

I think that particular stat says alot b/c it takes many relevant factors into account like yards per catch, completion % and TD/INT ratio.

We all know that DHall isn't very reliable in run support, but as a cover corner the cumulative opponents QB rating whey they threw into his coverage was 54.2


Haters need to do their homework.

Posted by: p1funk | March 22, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

What would be impossible? Nothings impossible after watching all the upsets. Plus Nolan Smith has stepped his game up tremendously and can slash and drive to the basket almost at will.

Posted by: joeboggs | March 22, 2010 1:52 PM |

It's impossible because they are on the same side of the bracket, they could only meet in the final four. Please know what your talking about before posting these things.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 22, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

SkinsneedaGM-
This sounds like one of glawarence007's crazy scenarios..

"But in the best scenario where Haynesworth and Campbell goes to the Rams and Cooley to the Patriots the Redskins would end up with:

1st pick overall: Sam Bradford - the new franchise QB. He would start right away, making a Matt Ryan, Mark Sanches impact.

4th pick over all: LT Russel Okung - to protect and to serve Bradford.

2nd rd pick 33 from the Rams: DT Brian Price - he is not Haynesworth but a big man for the front 3 - possibly at NT.

2nd rd pick 37: Carlos Dunlap - mean pass rusher in the 3-4.

2nd rd pick 47 from the Patriots: RB Toby Gerhardt - after learning the ropes Toby will be ready to break through in 2011.

If the Lions get Okung the Redskins will go for either Suh or McCoy then in the second it could be Charles Brown at LT instead of Brian Price at DT.

In my mind it would be a great step in the rebuilding process of the Redskins"

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 22, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

On the airplane, the flight first class attendant turns to the passenger and asks, "What would you like"

The young man replies, "I'll have a whiskey"

The flight attendant then turns to the older Baptist Minister, sitting next to the young man and asks, "Would you also like a whiskey"

The minister, in his preachiest voice, "I would rather be rap,ed by a brazen w,hore than have whiskey cross my lips!!"

To which the young man responds, "I didn't know that was one of the choices, I'd like to change my order ..."

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 22, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

If nothing else, this ought to show Clausen's coachibility; he notably improved every season in college, and actually outperformed a senior top-five pick, which should quiet the strange murmurs that he was a "one-year wonder" (which, naturally, didn't hurt Mark Sanchez any, even though Clausen outperformed Sanchez in every statistical category except touchdowns, of which he had six fewer in one less game - a nearly insignificant difference when one realizes Sanchez had four touchdowns in that final game).

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 22, 2010 2:04 PM
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Diesel, the most important stat is the won-loss column. If he cannot win games, the conversation should stop right there. I don't care what anyone says, leadership ability has to be one of the most important components of a QB's DNA. This guy led his team to defeat against Navy, for Pete's sake. You might say that he had inferior talent around him, and I would agree to some point, but he had Golden Tate and an offensive line that gave him time. No, I don't buy the Clausen pick at #4. This guy is Brady Quinn 2.0.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 22, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Reid, why cover anything Deangelo Hall says. He's the biggest knucklehead the Skins have. He makes interceptions because he's out of position, he gets burned all the time, and he can't and won't tackle. The media such as yourself who gives this guy a spotlight ought to be doing something else for a living. This is the same guy who said of the 10 first cuts that they were "dead weight." Rock Cartwright and Ledell Betts were not "dead weight." Go get another job and WP hire someone else as the Redskins Insider who actualls knows what they're talking about.

Posted by: getitritegov | March 22, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

He makes plays because he's out of position? Really?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 22, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Check out Hall's interceptions. They're deflected by somebody else. I don't remember a single great Champ Bailey type int where Hall actually took the pass from the opposing QB by putting on a sweet move in front of a receiver. It's sickening is what it is. Vinnie Cerrato's negative influence on this team will be with the Skins for years to come.

Posted by: getitritegov | March 22, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth explains his decision not to participate in offseason workouts
Posted by Mike Florio on March 22, 2010 2:35 PM ET
Last week, Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth checked in for the offseason workout program, and then he promptly checked out.

So why isn't he working out with the team? Haynesworth told Adam Schein and Rich Gannon of Sirius NFL Radio's The Sirius Blitz that the Pro Bowler who went bust in his first year with the Redskins plans to work out on his own this time around.

"Last year, I worked out with the Redskins, and the year that we had and all that stuff wasn't great, by any means," Haynesworth said. "I'm getting back to basics, what got me to be one of the top defensive players in the NFL, and that's what I plan on doing."

Haynesworth said that new coach Mike Shanahan doesn't agree with the approach, but that Shanahan said he respects Haynesworth for being candid about it. Haynesworth also was very complimentary of the ability to approach and talk to Shanahan.

But the relationship is strained, for now. Haynesworth isn't happy with the switch to a 3-4, but he acknowledges that there's nothing he can do about it, given that he's under contract in D.C. "Whatever they ask me to do, that's what I'm gonna do," he said, with what seemed to be more than a hint of resignation in his voice.

Haynesworth also suggested that if he knew in early 2009 what he knows now, he possibly would have signed with a different team. He pointed to having "too many chiefs" in D.C., and while he stopped short of saying that owner Daniel Snyder is too involved, Haynesworth pointed out that Titans owner Bud Adams rarely was in the facility during Haynesworth's seven seasons in Tennessee.

As the offseason progresses, it remains to be seen whether Haynesworth shows up for the portion of the voluntary offseason program that entails on-field work, which this year will involve installation of a brand-new defense. He said he prefers playing end in the 3-4, because he thinks it'll be the same as playing defensive tackle in a 4-3. If he comes to a different conclusion in this regard, we think anything is possible, including a request for a trade.

So this thing has the potential to get a lot messier, and the Redskins might eventually be sorry they ever met Haynesworth.

There's a good chance they're already sorry.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 22, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Diesel, the most important stat is the won-loss column. If he cannot win games, the conversation should stop right there. I don't care what anyone says, leadership ability has to be one of the most important components of a QB's DNA. This guy led his team to defeat against Navy, for Pete's sake. You might say that he had inferior talent around him, and I would agree to some point, but he had Golden Tate and an offensive line that gave him time. No, I don't buy the Clausen pick at #4. This guy is Brady Quinn 2.0.

Posted by: RedSkinHead

cosign. When was the last time Navy was powerhouse?

Posted by: jm220 | March 22, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Interesting perspective...


"I do think he's maxed out physically," McShay said of Clausen. "I don't think he'll develop as a player like Bradford or others will. ... The track record of underclassmen is not good. When immaturity is in the equation, it makes it unlikely he'll handle his first year if things don't go well."
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'Interesting perspective' is about the only non pessimistic comment one can say about McShay analysis.

ND is getting a new coach and can't have high hopes for next year. Couple that with the CBA issues, and coming out a year early seems like the smart (mature) play.

I don't care if we do or don't draft Clausen (I'd like to see a LT, but then he prolly does have more upside than JC so it's a push), but even I know McShay has zero credibility with this argument.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 22, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

This most be one of those 'Hindsight is 50-50' situations.....

Hayneworth said, last year, he liked the fact that the owner was right down the hall vs. never being around.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 22, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I think this Haynesworth thing has the potential to be a nightmare.

Lots of $$$ tied up in this guy to be unhappy

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 22, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Well I am now convinced, Draft Spiller at #4!

Posted by: chrislarry | March 22, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

It's impossible because they are on the same side of the bracket, they could only meet in the final four. Please know what your talking about before posting these things.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 22, 2010 2:42 PM
Well if you read my first post, I said they will meet in the final 4. How could you not understand that, obviously they couldn't meet in the finals.

Posted by: joeboggs | March 22, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Well I am now convinced, Draft Spiller at #4!

Posted by: chrislarry | March 22, 2010 2:53 PM
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For no other reason than Bean will eat his own kidney. Kidney, Beans?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 22, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Diesel, the most important stat is the won-loss column. If he cannot win games, the conversation should stop right there. I don't care what anyone says, leadership ability has to be one of the most important components of a QB's DNA. This guy led his team to defeat against Navy, for Pete's sake. You might say that he had inferior talent around him, and I would agree to some point, but he had Golden Tate and an offensive line that gave him time. No, I don't buy the Clausen pick at #4. This guy is Brady Quinn 2.0.

Posted by: RedSkinHead

cosign. When was the last time Navy was powerhouse?

Posted by: jm220 | March 22, 2010 2:50 PM

I posted an article. Those are NOT MY words. I would think twice about drafting Clausen @ #37 and wouldn't touch him @ #4.

I just wanted to give fair balance since I've been so anti-Clausen.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 22, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

This is BS Florio is looking into what was actually said and basically lying so he can say he was right all along.

But the relationship is strained, for now. Haynesworth isn't happy with the switch to a 3-4, but he acknowledges that there's nothing he can do about it, given that he's under contract in D.C. "Whatever they ask me to do, that's what I'm gonna do," he said, with what seemed to be more than a hint of resignation in his voice.

Haynesworth also suggested that if he knew in early 2009 what he knows now, he possibly would have signed with a different team. He pointed to having "too many chiefs" in D.C., and while he stopped short of saying that owner Daniel Snyder is too involved, Haynesworth pointed out that Titans owner Bud Adams rarely was in the facility during Haynesworth's seven seasons in Tennessee.


Posted by: Flounder21 | March 22, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

This most be one of those 'Hindsight is 50-50' situations.....

Hayneworth said, last year, he liked the fact that the owner was right down the hall vs. never being around.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 22, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Tough adjustment going from a 13-3 well coached team to a 4-12 terribly coached team.


Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 22, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Well I am now convinced, Draft Spiller at #4!

Posted by: chrislarry | March 22, 2010 2:53 PM

The only thing that can defray it is the Haynesworth situation.....They may be forced to draft Suh....Which isn't a bad thing......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 22, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Diesel, the most important stat is the won-loss column. If he cannot win games, the conversation should stop right there. I don't care what anyone says, leadership ability has to be one of the most important components of a QB's DNA. This guy led his team to defeat against Navy, for Pete's sake. You might say that he had inferior talent around him, and I would agree to some point, but he had Golden Tate and an offensive line that gave him time. No, I don't buy the Clausen pick at #4. This guy is Brady Quinn 2.0.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 22, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse


Against Navy Clausen was 37-51 for 452 yards, 2 TDs.

He had an INT and a fumble, but it's kind of tough to put that loss on him considering the production.

Posted by: p1funk | March 22, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Holy moley, jm220 in the house today!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 22, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

lots of negativity today.

I guess the new healthcare has everyone up in arms!

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 22, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 22, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

I think it's a weak argument as well. I don't like Clausen because I don't like his throws. I watch tape of him and his deep ball moves like a wounded duck and so do his out routes. A lot of the scouts say he has the arm strength necassary but others say he does not and I'm with the latter group. You can watch his highlight videos on youtube and possibly disagree but I think he's a bust at #4. I think he may develop and it's possible he'll be great one day but I don't see him as being worth the #4 overall. I look at his throws vs. Bradford's and there's really no comparison. I think if he starts in his first year or 2 he will fail. I'd take him in the second round if he was available though.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 22, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Well if you read my first post, I said they will meet in the final 4. How could you not understand that, obviously they couldn't meet in the finals.

Posted by: joeboggs | March 22, 2010 2:53 PM |

Sorry you are correct I didn't see the 4 on the last line.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 22, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I just wanted to give fair balance since I've been so anti-Clausen.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 22, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Thank You, Mr. Fox News.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | March 22, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

lots of negativity today.

I guess the new healthcare has everyone up in arms!

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 22, 2010 2:59 PM

You LIE!

Baby Killer!

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/03/stupak-called-baby-killer-on-h.html?hpid=topnews

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 22, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

"I'm not even sure how they arrive at their overall rankings and how they weigh the various criteria. They've got guys like Tramon Williams and Terrel THomas ranked ahead of Nnamdi Asamoaugh.

But out of the cornerbacks that played at least 60% of the team's snaps, DHall is ranked 4th overall in the league in opposing QB rating.

He's behind only Darelle Revis, Leon Hall and Charles Woodson.

Posted by: p1funk | March 22, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I asked this exact same question to the moderators of the website. How could Hall have, statistically speaking, one of the top 5 cover metrics, yet grade out so low on the scale?

See my post at 10:22am for the response they gave me.

Posted by: psps23 | March 22, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Holy moley, jm220 in the house today!

Posted by: NateinthePDX

looool! hey big nate i hope all is well with you and your family.

Posted by: jm220 | March 22, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

4th

I was for your post...before I was against it

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 22, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Sorry you are correct I didn't see the 4 on the last line.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 22, 2010 3:00 PM

It's all good.

Posted by: joeboggs | March 22, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Duke is different from the last ciuple of years. They are bigger up front w/ Zubek and Plumlee and they don't always rely on the 3, they will play Kentucky in the final 4.

Posted by: joeboggs | March 22, 2010 1:43 PM |

It's impossible because they are on the same side of the bracket, they could only meet in the final four. Please know what your talking about before posting these things.

Posted by: Flounder21

What are you talking about? He said final 4.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 22, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

I dislike Clausen because Jim Kelly told me he sucks. In a dream.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | March 22, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

You LIE!

Baby Killer!

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/03/stupak-called-baby-killer-on-h.html?hpid=topnews

Posted by: 4thFloor


LMAO! That's just wrong 4th. It's the reason people don't like you now. looool

Posted by: jm220 | March 22, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

If Albert isn't wanting to be here, then trade him. Danny might have to eat some $$, but clearly Albert can bring us something worthwhile in return.

Albert to the Jets for their #1 and another high pick or two in 2011?

The Jets are close enough to success and Ryan would love to have a beast in the middle.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 22, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

"But in the best scenario where Haynesworth and Campbell goes to the Rams and Cooley to the Patriots the Redskins would end up with:

1st pick overall: Sam Bradford - the new franchise QB. He would start right away, making a Matt Ryan, Mark Sanches impact.

4th pick over all: LT Russel Okung - to protect and to serve Bradford.

2nd rd pick 33 from the Rams: DT Brian Price - he is not Haynesworth but a big man for the front 3 - possibly at NT.

2nd rd pick 37: Carlos Dunlap - mean pass rusher in the 3-4.

2nd rd pick 47 from the Patriots: RB Toby Gerhardt - after learning the ropes Toby will be ready to break through in 2011.

If the Lions get Okung the Redskins will go for either Suh or McCoy then in the second it could be Charles Brown at LT instead of Brian Price at DT.

In my mind it would be a great step in the rebuilding process of the Redskins"

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 22, 2010 2:43 PM
=======================
agreed..
To that regards, I wonder if Cooley has had any surprise "Physical Exam" requests ref the full recovery of his ankle/foot?

Haynesworth, though, should be moved.. Allegedly he has already shown a displeasure with the 3-4 future of the team.. Unfortunately, his 100 Mil Contract makes it nearly impossible to trade him, unless Snyder agrees to eat some of it in 2010.
Ironically, in this case, the "old free spending Snyder Contracts" are now Bruce Allen's worst enemy in turning the ship around.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 22, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Its after 3:00 beantown,

where the hell is our insane rumor attributed to Florio?

AH to New England for Tom Brady? Anything?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 22, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

All these PFF type reports tend to confirm what i see with my own eyes and hear with my own ears, that is we really have very little quality NFL talent on our roster....at this point our only salvation is we have a proven NFL coach who can and will evaluate and improve the roster ...my guess is over the next 2 seasons expect to see 40 or more new faces.....

Posted by: OriginalOldschool1 | March 22, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Thank You, Mr. Fox News.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | March 22, 2010 3:00 PM

You're suppose to watch Fox News with the mute botton on. Easily the hottest collection of hooch on TV.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 22, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I do think haynesworth would be a pretty dominant DE in a 3-4, if he came in in shape and came in hungry. (Impossible with a contract his size but whatever...). A de in a 3-4 is essentially playing DT and that is what he excels at. DE's in 3-4's cant be double teamed as often because of the threat of the OLB blitzing and the constant confusion created by the scheme... thus opening up Big Fat Al for 1 on 1s... which he, even last year, dominated.

Again, he could also be an awesome NT in a 3-4 scheme... but he clearly does not want to sacrafice his ability to get to the QB and make plays... for the good of the team... no surprise there really, its all about Haynesworth in his mind anyway.

Wouldn't be the worst idea if we moved him if we could get value back, but what is Haynesworths value with a contract that size and an effort level that is going to continually decrease as his contract increases...?

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 22, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I asked this exact same question to the moderators of the website. How could Hall have, statistically speaking, one of the top 5 cover metrics, yet grade out so low on the scale?

See my post at 10:22am for the response they gave me.

Posted by: psps23 | March 22, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse


I did see that response after my post.

It doesn't really allay any concerns about their rankings.

Who are they? Are they ex-coaches? Do they have a background in football? Do they understand what the assignments are for each play? Are they bean-counters running a website?

I'd be more interested to know how they arrive at the opponent's QB rating number, rather than their overall ranking.

Posted by: p1funk | March 22, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 22, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

You're suppose to watch Fox News with the mute botton on. Easily the hottest collection of hooch on TV.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 22, 2010 3:08 PM

Still casting my vote for the Money Honeys on CNBC. But good to know that Diesel44 has switched from the AARP network.

Posted by: League-Source | March 22, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Look at the picture of Bradford on the main page.

I'm no NFL QB, but aren't you supposed to hold the ball on the laces?

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 22, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

"All these PFF type reports tend to confirm what i see with my own eyes and hear with my own ears, that is we really have very little quality NFL talent on our roster....

Posted by: OriginalOldschool1"

Or that the talent we do have on our roster ended up playing very poorly last year.

Which shouldn't shock anyone, considering we went 4-12.

But it doesn't evaluate a player's talents, which could be masked by assignments given, coaching blunders, surrounding talent, and a number of other factors.

All it does is measure how a player performed last season under the exact circumstances he was given; not how well he could perform, if under a different setting. Otherwise the the rankings and grades would never change from year to year.

Posted by: psps23 | March 22, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

jm220, just trying to cram some Redskins knowledge into my brain as preparation for a little meet-up with the Portland gang tonight.

Too bad there's not much by way of "knowledge" happening up here today... just kidding, of course, y'all.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 22, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Again, he could also be an awesome NT in a 3-4 scheme... but he clearly does not want to sacrafice his ability to get to the QB and make plays... for the good of the team... no surprise there really, its all about Haynesworth in his mind anyway.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 22, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse


If the coaches waste AH's ability by making him a space-plugging NT in a 3-4 scheme, I hope that he moans and complains about it.

He is easily the most dominating DT in the game (when he is in the game).

PLaying AH as a 3-4 NT would be like bringing in Larry Fitzgerald and having him be your blocking TE.

Posted by: p1funk | March 22, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Or that the talent we do have on our roster ended up playing very poorly last year.

Which shouldn't shock anyone, considering we went 4-12.

But it doesn't evaluate a player's talents, which could be masked by assignments given, coaching blunders, surrounding talent, and a number of other factors.

All it does is measure how a player performed last season under the exact circumstances he was given; not how well he could perform, if under a different setting. Otherwise the the rankings and grades would never change from year to year.

Posted by: psps23

You could spend a lifetime talking about potential, but all we can really measure is what we see--and we have a lot of obvious room for growth there.

Posted by: pgugino | March 22, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

All these PFF type reports tend to confirm what i see with my own eyes and hear with my own ears, that is we really have very little quality NFL talent on our roster....

Posted by: OriginalOldschool1 | March 22, 2010 3:08 PM

I think that we have coaches now who can put them in a position to win and their numbers are going up, individually and as a team.

Posted by: League-Source | March 22, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

What if we bring in Larry Fitzgerald as a blocking TE?

hehehehe

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 22, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: psps23 | March 22, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Who are we kidding. We went 4-12. It's both. Look at the number of draft picks we've had in the past 5 years and then look how many were in rounds 1-3. Compare that to the "good" teams. Our problem is that we sign free agents to fill holes and make stupid trades. This creates a lack of talent and a lack of depth. Then to top it all off we are playing guys out of position and not playing young hungry guys. With the amount of money we're spending we should be good. This team will be better udner Shanahan but it will not be ready to compete for anything more than a wildcard for a couple more years. We must hold on to our draft picks and build proper depth.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 22, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

He is easily the most dominating DT in the game (when he is in the game). - p1


While thats true... how often is that? And you do realize how important a SOLID NT is to a 3-4 right? I do not care at all the statistics one players gets in a particlar shceme... Haynesworth could be a DOMINANT NT as well and why would we not want that? If we are moving to a 3-4 and he could be a very good NT why not? His ablility to eat space would allow our OLBs to get the sacks the steelers lbs do.. that the packers LBs do...

Really p1... are you going to say that even though he could be a great NT, its a bad idea to move him because he is a great DT? That makes no sense... it is not a waste of his abilities if he is BEING GREAT at what he does.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 22, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

You LIE!
Baby Killer!

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/03/stupak-called-baby-killer-on-h.html?hpid=topnews

Posted by: 4thFloor

I once took about 50 of my trainees on a tour of the White House. We were all in our service dres uniforms and on the way in, we got booed and had eggs thrown at us. They did use the term bab-killers.

It really upset some of my younger troops. I just told them that it was because of us that there were able to act like such knuckleheads.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 22, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

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at different locations as long as specimens do not come into direct
contact with each other.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 22, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

"bab-killers"

I guess the moral to that post was dont piss off Streisand fans.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 22, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Psps23

If we were all brutely honest and took off the redskin fan glasses ask yourself this question... if there were a draft of all current NFL players how many redskins would be selected...follow up how many would starters, key role players etc.... my guess is very few.....

Posted by: OriginalOldschool1 | March 22, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse


Diesel, that "Money Honeys" thing is pretty darn accurate

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 22, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

It really upset some of my younger troops. I just told them that it was because of us that there were able to act like such knuckleheads.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 22, 2010 3:30 PM

It's actually because of the Bill of Rights.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 22, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I think London Fletcher gets picked

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 22, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Wow CheyenneWY 50 soldiers in their dress uniforms heckled and egged while touring the White House? You'd think the newspapers would have covered it or something.

Posted by: mack1 | March 22, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

It's actually because of the Bill of Rights.

Posted by: learnedhand1

fair enough

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 22, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

OriginalOldSchool: I would that Cooley, maybe Fred Davis, and Moss would be drafted by some team... at some point... while LFB would without a doubt be a starter, Orakpo would probably be a starter, Carter would be a starter, haynesworth would be a starter, sadly Dhall would be picked... as would laron Landry (as a SS)...

Thats about it... Rocky maybe, but most likely not... Rogers has the talent to be but is to much of a mental vaginia.... Dockery no way... rabach maybe as a backup.... JC17 as a backup.... would probably find Thomas and Kelly taken as possibly slot WR's somewhere at best....

And thats about it...

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 22, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

"You could spend a lifetime talking about potential, but all we can really measure is what we see--and we have a lot of obvious room for growth there.

Posted by: pgugino"

Of course.

And here's where the armchair analysts chime in.

What if I argued that, given the exact same circumstances Zorn worked with (talent, schedule, etc.), Shanahan could have gone 8-8? The resulting judges would have a decidedly different take on our level of talent, despite the exact same personnel.

I'm just saying don't be so absolute in your judgments based on an awful season under awful management. There is talent here. And Shanahan knows it.

Posted by: psps23 | March 22, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

You LIE!
Baby Killer!

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/03/stupak-called-baby-killer-on-h.html?hpid=topnews

Posted by: 4thFloor

I once took about 50 of my trainees on a tour of the White House. We were all in our service dres uniforms and on the way in, we got booed and had eggs thrown at us. They did use the term bab-killers.

It really upset some of my younger troops. I just told them that it was because of us that there were able to act like such knuckleheads.

Posted by: CheyenneWY

Not to excuse the public from boorish behavior, but you'd think Congressmen (sadly, its not just 1) would know better

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 22, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Look at the picture of Bradford on the main page.

Posted by: Rypien11

Looks like the small hands burger king dude?

Posted by: stevek20147 | March 22, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

I just read the article about Stupak. Starting to get out of hand (regarding the GOP). Im sure the Dems have done it in the past, but cant really remeber anything this out of whack

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 22, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

And here's where the armchair analysts chime in.

What if I argued that, given the exact same circumstances Zorn worked with (talent, schedule, etc.), Shanahan could have gone 8-8? The resulting judges would have a decidedly different take on our level of talent, despite the exact same personnel.

I'm just saying don't be so absolute in your judgments based on an awful season under awful management. There is talent here. And Shanahan knows it.

Posted by: psps23

Count me among those who think Shanahan would have gone 8-8 with this team last year.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 22, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 22, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I once took about 50 of my trainees on a tour of the White House. We were all in our service dres uniforms and on the way in, we got booed and had eggs thrown at us. They did use the term bab-killers.

It really upset some of my younger troops. I just told them that it was because of us that there were able to act like such knuckleheads.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 22, 2010 3:30 PM

Wow....Was this around the early 2000s? Sad......My brother has already done 3 tours in Iraq....Lost some close friends he was telling me about while he's home.....

...I'm keeping my SJK right behind this CPU....Thanks to the soldiers

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 22, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

All

Don't confuse making the redskins roster and being a good quality NFL player....PA is right, collect and make smart draft (best player avaiable) picks and smart plan B style FA's, but overall its a younger bigger strongrer faster cheaper expendable NFL....establish an indenidity and build around that, players are just commodities to be used until they have no future value... the key is to get rid of them just as they peak and begin they're decline, let someone else pay them....

Posted by: OriginalOldschool1 | March 22, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

It's actually because of the Bill of Rights.

Posted by: learnedhand1

fair enough

Posted by: CheyenneWY

If not for our troops defending our way of life, the Bill of Rights would be just a quaint little document found in a German museum.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | March 22, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

...okung to protect and serve" bradford..you write like a racist luciferian misanthrope, one of okung's jobs would be protecting the qb's blind side he is NOT serving any weak azz white qb or any for that matter. and as for rabach being moved to center what a funny joke he can't even block the man in front of him and repeatedly gets pushed into the qb I have a better position for rabach..the bench, rabach is NOT dwight stevenson in any way shape or form if this o-line is to be rebuilt rabach and heyer MUST BE REPLACED NOW".

Posted by: wathu19 | March 22, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Interesting perspective...


"I do think he's maxed out physically," McShay said of Clausen. "I don't think he'll develop as a player like Bradford or others will. ... The track record of underclassmen is not good. When immaturity is in the equation, it makes it unlikely he'll handle his first year if things don't go well."
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'Interesting perspective' is about the only non pessimistic comment one can say about McShay analysis.

I don't care if we do or don't draft Clausen (I'd like to see a LT, but then he prolly does have more upside than JC so it's a push), but even I know McShay has zero credibility with this argument.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 22, 2010 2:51 PM

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Wait... McShay has zero credibility but you do?

Okay... got it... ... ... wait a minute... sorry, my side is hurting from laughing so hard. Did you type that with your forehead?

Posted by: SkinsFreak | March 22, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Todd McShay: ""I do think he's maxed out physically," McShay said of Clausen. "I don't think he'll develop as a player like Bradford or others will. ... The track record of underclassmen is not good."

Sure, but weren't we hearing the same thing about Mark Sanchez this time last year?

Posted by: Samson151 | March 22, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

"If not for our troops defending our way of life, the Bill of Rights would be just a quaint little document found in a German museum. Posted by: Kenbeatrizz"

Or look at it this way: it's troops who defend liberty. And it's troops who take it away.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 22, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

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