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Eric Berry speaks of Sean Taylor, Redskins' new defense after visit

As a high school football star in Georgia, Eric Berry was a big fan of Redskins free safety Sean Taylor. And Berry studied Taylor closely while he became an All-American free safety at Tennessee.

So Berry was pleased that Washington brought him in for a two-day visit that ended Thursday. Learning more about Taylor from people who knew him was among the highlights of Berry's trip to Ashburn, and he hopes to come back as the Redskins' top draft pick.

"I really liked the way Sean Taylor attacked his opponent, he didn't care who it was," Berry said in a phone interview. "Just watching him, you could tell he always played hard. He would just run full speed and try to make a hit - and he could definitely hit.

"But at the same time, I think he played the game how it's supposed to be played. He played it very passionately. He didn't go out there selfishly. He played for his teammates. When you turn on the film and watch him, you can see he's trying to help his team. You can see it right there."

During breakfast Thursday with safeties coach Steve Jackson, Berry learned more about Taylor, who was killed by intruders in his Miami home in November 2007. Taylor's birthday was Thursday; he would have been 27. "He was telling me about when he had Sean Taylor and LaRon [Landry] at the same time, and just how good those guys were in the time they played together," Berry said. "The whole trip was cool, but talking to him about that was the best thing about the visit."

Although Coach Mike Shanahan has declined to confirm the team is switching from a base 4-3 front to a version of the Pittsburgh Steelers' 3-4, many players have openly discussed the changes expected to occur. And the coaching staff is telling prospective draft picks that the Redskins are rolling like the Steelers this season.

"They went over some things, and it looks like they're running Pittsburgh's defense," Berry said. "They want to do it like the Steelers with [Pro Bowl safety Troy] Polamalu and those guys making all those turnovers and plays, so they're looking for another safety. I feel good in any system, but in their system I think they'll let me roam a little bit more if they do happen to pick me.

"I think with Washington, with the defense they want to run, I'd be more of a free safety, a true free safety, instead of playing in the box all the time or playing back all the time. The system is more like the system I had in Tennessee my freshman and sophomore years. It's definitely a system I think I would like to play in because I like to make plays to help my team. You can make a lot of plays in that defense."

Although the Redskins again had a top-10 defense (No. 10 in yards per game) last season, they had only 17 turnovers with 11 interceptions and six fumble recoveries. In terms of turnover differential, the Redskins ranked only 28th in the league at minus-11. The Cleveland Browns, St. Louis Rams, Oakland Raiders and Detroit Lions were the only teams that had worse differentials.

Berry had 14 interceptions in only three seasons at Tennessee. And Berry - honored as the nation's outstanding defensive back last season as the winner of the Jim Thorpe Award - wasn't just a playmaker in terms of having a high interception total - he was at his best after getting the ball.

Berry had 494 yards on interception returns and scored three touchdowns. As a junior, he had seven interceptions for 265 yards and two touchdowns. Berry's big-time playmaking ability is among the reasons he has been compared favorably with Baltimore Ravens future Hall of Famer Ed Reed, who arguably is as good as anyone who ever played the position.

"You always like it when people compare you to guys who have been great players for a long time," Berry said. "But you just have to keep working hard and keep trying to get better."

In their mock drafts, some talent evaluators have linked Berry with the Kansas City Chiefs at No. 5 overall. The Redskins currently hold the fourth pick. In the 2007 draft, Washington took Landry sixth overall.

With Taylor at free and Landry at strong, the Redskins envisioned having the league's top safety tandem for a decade. After Taylor's death, Landry moved to free safety, the position he has played the last two seasons.

Landry has not developed as quickly as some in the organization expected. He struggled at times in coverage last season, especially against double moves. In Washington's 33-30 overtime loss to the New Orleans Saints in Week 13, the Saints specifically targeted Landry with double moves.

He was burned for 40- and 53-yard touchdown passes - the Saints tied the score at 30-30 with 1 minute, 19 seconds left in regulation. Some Redskins observers believe Landry is better suited to play strong, the position for which he was drafted. Landry, however, also struggled at times playing in the box, team sources said, and more will be asked of the safeties in the Redskins' new defensive scheme.

Washington definitely could use help in the secondary, but the team appears to have more pressing needs. Quarterback Jason Campbell, the starter the past three-plus seasons, can become an unrestricted free agent after this season. Newcomer Rex Grossman is widely considered only a No. 2 quarterback at this stage of his career and fan favorite Colt Brennan has suffered injuries to each hip the past few seasons and has never played in the regular season.

The Redskins' offensive line has been among the NFL's least effective since the midpoint of the 2008 season, and the recent retirement of Pro Bowler Chris Samuels opened a gaping hole at left tackle. It would seem the Redskins should focus on selecting a quarterback or left tackle with their top pick, but perhaps Berry or someone else is their guy. Stranger things have happened.

"All the coaches were very respectful," Berry said. "I like how they run their organization, the different things they do as a staff and I definitely like what they're doing with their defense. I definitely think Washington could be a good place for me and I can help them. We just have to wait and see what happens."

By Jason Reid  |  April 2, 2010; 6:21 AM ET
Categories:  3-4 defense , Jason Reid , NFL Draft , Remembering 21  
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Comments

FIRST to say that Berry sure is sucking up to Skins fans with all the ST talk...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 2, 2010 7:05 AM | Report abuse

FIRST to say we havent been the same without Sean Taylor!

Posted by: SkinsSinceDayOne | April 2, 2010 7:05 AM | Report abuse

IF the Skins didn't have more pressing needs, Berry would be a nice pick. However, the Skins should pass on him.

Posted by: TWISI | April 2, 2010 7:12 AM | Report abuse

100% agree TWISI...taking a safety that high would be complete lunacy. It would be like getting botox injections to look younger in lieu of fixing a compound fracture of the leg. Priorities, man...first things first...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 2, 2010 7:31 AM | Report abuse

BERRY, BERRY he's our man......

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 2, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

Stretching to fill a need for a player not worthy of the #4 pick would be lunacy.

If Bradford and Okung are gone, I'd rather see them trade down. But if they can't make a trade, they need to take a player that makes sense with the #4 pick. Stretching to fill a need is how busts happen. I'd rather have Berry or Suh, than Clausen or Bulaga. Neither of those guys are worthy of the #4 pick in the draft.

Posted by: dfbovey | April 2, 2010 7:39 AM | Report abuse

GL, you really want a 220 pound LT?

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 2, 2010 7:52 AM | Report abuse

dfbovey, one could argue (and most GMs are the ones who make this assertion) that NO safety is worth the #4 overall pick. If you're building your team right (i.e.- from the line of scrimmage back), then you wouldn't take a guy who plays arguably the least important position on a defense so high. Just like most teams won't take a RB in the top 5 because you can get comparable production from a guy in Round 5 (in most cases).

Berry sounds like a nice player and all, but the only way you take him at 4th overall is if you have no other holes to fill--and we all know that ain't the case here.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 2, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse

What, no mention of taking an O Lineman w/ the 4 pick?

Well, I definitely feel better about taking a cojones-fuera safety than a possible bust at QB.

Additionally, your early pick pricetag goes down some, so maybe better value even if the QB would turn out ok.

I guess it comes down to the old dilemma: Do you draft best available or team need? I think it's situation dependent. But in the earlier 1st round pics, I think the best available aspect weighs more. So is Claussen (or Bradford, if available) a better QB than Berry is a Safety? Given the potential for busts at QB, I'd say no. But I haven't watched alot of NCAA the last few seasons. Whaddu the college ball fans say?

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 2, 2010 7:59 AM | Report abuse

http://walterfootball.com/jimmyclausenhate.php

Read and discuss. The JCampbell lovers should like this one.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 2, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

This has got to be the longest offseason of this blog’s life…..getting so tired of the same comments/arguments up here every single day. It was almost entertaining to see the people take the bait from that a$$hat last night. Bring on the draft…..PLEASE!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 2, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Bryan Baluaga, in the first, and his teammmate, fellow linemate, whose name escapes me in the second.

Block it.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 2, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

This has got to be the longest offseason of this blog’s life...

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 2, 2010 8:10 AM


dl, if quiet offseasons beget solid regular seasons, I'll engage in the JC debate every f-ing day if it means we get back to the playoffs...

Besides, aren't you happy with all the "here's what London Fletcher and/or DHall thinks about everything" threads?

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 2, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Greg, I'd be just fine with that pick...I just think Okung will still be on the board at #4.

Suh is going to Detroit. I'd be shocked if he doesn't.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 2, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

On a 4-12 team, and with the exception of WR, no pick at #4 would be "lunacy". We need EVERYTHING.

I am not advocating using the #4 pick for Berry though.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 2, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

brown, I can't get a feel for this one, as far as Okung goes. Gonna be good to watch, I'll say that....

moe, Becks vs. CC....great start, stupid time, but great way to start...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 2, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

GL, you really want a 220 pound LT?

Posted by: brownwood26

And what is wrong with being 220lbs? lool

Posted by: jm220 | April 2, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

http://walterfootball.com/jimmyclausenhate.php

Read and discuss. The JCampbell lovers should like this one.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 2, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse


Wow...I'm sold on Claussen!

Posted by: rickyroge | April 2, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Berry sounds like a nice player and all, but the only way you take him at 4th overall is if you have no other holes to fill--and we all know that ain't the case here.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 2, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse

If you think Berry will be one of the best safeties in the NFL, an all pro caliber player... he'd be worth the #4 pick in the draft. The #4 pick isn't a pick where you reach for average players out of need. That's how you end up with Kansas City taking Tyson Jackson. All that money and resource spent trying to jam a player onto the roster out of need... when they could have chosen a real difference maker with the pick.

Posted by: dfbovey | April 2, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

LOL JM...I wish I was still 220!

Ricky, I get what you're saying but the bottom line is certain positions are crazy to take that high. We need a kicker too, but I don't hear anyone stumping to trade the #4 pick for Adam Vinatieri.

But then again, it's still early...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 2, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Berry is going to be a perennial all-pro for the next 10 years.

Book THAT ish...

Posted by: RedDMV | April 2, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

dl, if quiet offseasons beget solid regular seasons, I'll engage in the JC debate every f-ing day if it means we get back to the playoffs...
Besides, aren't you happy with all the "here's what London Fletcher and/or DHall thinks about everything" threads?
Posted by: brownwood26 | April 2, 2010 8:14 AM

Hey, no news is no news. And there’s no news. Cindy’s team has to post something every once in a while, even if it’s speculation about what someone might be speculating about what their draft picks might be. They have to get creative this time of year. I’m just tired of the same conversations being rehashed over and over and over. Here’s my a.m. prediction of the conversations up here for today:
1. Draft O-lineman
2. No, draft BPA or QB
3. League source “joke”
4. Clausen is a sure bust and Bradford can’t take a hit
5. Campbell sucks
6. League Source “joke”
7. Fix the line and let Campbell play one more year
8. All you Campbell lovers are stupid
9. No we are not. And we don’t love him, just think he’s not the worst problem on the team. Don’t you effing listen to what we are actually saying?
10. League source “joke”
11. Jason Reid is a big lazy so and so and I am awesome and smart and stuff.
12. They are going to draft Spiller. Book it.
13. Shanahan is running smokescreens…let’s trust he knows what he’s doing.
14. League Source “joke”
15. Some troll will start up some crap
16. Some will take the bait, some won’t.
17. League source “joke”

Book it!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 2, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Seems like a nice kid with the potential to be a great Safety, I don't think we can afford to go FS with that pick, but if the skins were to trade back and nab him with a later 1st round pick and get another 2nd or 3rd out if it, that would be a good deal.

I trust the front office to make the right decision.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 2, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

WASHINGTON's dream draft:

????????????????????????

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 2, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

If you think Berry will be one of the best safeties in the NFL, an all pro caliber player... he'd be worth the #4 pick in the draft. The #4 pick isn't a pick where you reach for average players out of need. That's how you end up with Kansas City taking Tyson Jackson. All that money and resource spent trying to jam a player onto the roster out of need... when they could have chosen a real difference maker with the pick.

Posted by: dfbovey | April 2, 2010 8:27 AM


Point taken, and I agree with the spirit of what you're saying. But this draft is deep at OT and there are about 2 or 3 guys who the Skins could take at #4 who play tackle and it wouldn't be considered a reach. If Bruce Campbell were the next best tackle after Okung, then I'd be behind what you're saying 100%. But Bulaga is a good get at #4 and so is Trent Williams. Both guys would be a much bigger help to an O-line that is desperate.

This is it...this is the year to make up for years of ignoring the O-line. We can't afford to blow this.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 2, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

"Berry is going to be a perennial all-pro for the next 10 years.

Book THAT ish..."

Safeties are a dime a dozen in the NFL, and think about that statement for just a second.

How many "safeties" in the NFL are perennial all-pros???

2? Maybe 3?

Shanny, step away from the safety.....

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | April 2, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Besides, aren't you happy with all the "here's what London Fletcher and/or DHall thinks about everything" threads?

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 2, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Right on the money there brownie. No news is better than what we get here.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 2, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Oh and RIP Sean Taylor.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 2, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Ya'll have prolly seen this, but in case you haven't -- Jason LaCanfora's take on the QB rumor mill spinning in DC:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/09000d5d81749780/D-C-mystery

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 2, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Good call, dl. Sounds about right...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 2, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Don't worry Ray...no chance an offensive minded coach like Shanahan takes a safety at #4. The only person who really wants that or even deems that realistic is Gl...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 2, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Chia,

I'd be fine with Colt M is drafted by us. I hope MS and BA have a couple teams lined up to trade players for picks so we can get an infusion of young talent. We need it! Not a one year turn-around.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 2, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Can't get the NFL vid to play :[

Whud it say?

Brownie, that sounds right.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 2, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

http://walterfootball.com/jimmyclausenhate.php

Read and discuss. The JCampbell lovers should like this one.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 2, 2010 8:09 AM |

Thats a great article I've been saying Clausen is better then Bradford, if you switch where those guys played Bradford would be 2-3 round pick.

I still think that if Okung is there he should be the pick, but if Shanny takes Clausen I will understand. Shanny will fix the o-line even if it's not at pick 1, the o-line will be better then last year no matter what. Shanny's scheme alone will make the O-Line better.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 2, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Safeties are a dime a dozen in the NFL, and think about that statement for just a second.

How many "safeties" in the NFL are perennial all-pros???

2? Maybe 3?

Shanny, step away from the safety.....

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz


You make it sound like the safety position is some special teams position. Like you can just put Joe Blow back there and he'll make you forget about the position for the next 10 years.

That statement is treading retardation. How many perennial all-pro's are there at any position -- my guess is TWO or THREE. The all-pro team isn't made up of only safeties.

Wow!

Don't get it confused, Berry is on the level with guys like Reed and Taylor.

I bet you're the type of dude that values a kicker over a safety because the kicker can score points for you.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 2, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Colt McCoy to visit Redskins, too
Posted by Mike Florio on April 2, 2010 8:05 AM ET
The Washington Redskins will be checking out quarterback Jimmy "Loving, Caring" Clausen this weekend. According to Ed Thompson of Scout.com, the 'Skins also plan to eyeball Colt McCoy.

The visit will occur Monday and Tuesday.

But here's the best reason not to get worked up about pre-draft visits, by quarterbacks or any other players. Four years ago, when Redskins coach Mike Shanahan traded up to get quarterback Jay Cutler with the eleventh overall pick, Cutler did not make a pre-draft visit to Denver.

So what do the visits mean? At this point, not much of anything. Unless Shanahan holds true to his 2006 form, which would mean that he wants a quarterback who won't be showing up at Redskins Park.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 2, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Ya'll have prolly seen this, but in case you haven't -- Jason LaCanfora's take on the QB rumor mill spinning in DC:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/09000d5d81749780/D-C-mystery

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 2, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Good vid, classic JaLaCa, gives a good breakdown of everything adds in his own theory of 1-LT 2-McCoy. Gets in a good little jab at the Vinny/Dan Snyder relationship, as it is today. I miss that guy.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 2, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

We don't need Eric Berry.

If we are going to mirror the Pittsburgh D, then one play-maker at safety is what we need and we can get that with either Horton or Landry at the SS spot.

All we need is to NOT play Landry at FS.

We can find a solid yet unspectacular Ryan Clark type of player to put at free safety to (1) know what he's doing and (2) not get burned deep.

I believe we can likely find that guy on our roster. We still don't know what Kareem Moore and/or Lendy Holmes really have.

Posted by: p1funk | April 2, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Safeties are a dime a dozen in the NFL, and think about that statement for just a second.

How many "safeties" in the NFL are perennial all-pros???

2? Maybe 3?

Shanny, step away from the safety.....

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | April 2, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Think about what you just wrote.

How does 2 or 3 perennial all-pro's = safeties are a dime a dozen?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | April 2, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Red, you don't go safety at #4...that's the point. Look at the elite guys that keep getting brought up here: Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu. Those guys didn't go in the top 20, much less the top 5. If someone else wants to reach for Berry, let 'em. But the Redskins need not be that team, regardless of how we look at that spot.

You don't need an elite safety to win. You DO need an offensive line, though...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 2, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Exactly right, pfunk...the problem is playing Landry out of position more than it is the safety spot as a whole. Getting an adequate FS and moving Landry to SS upgrades that situation without having to blow a top 5 pick on a guy that makes people miss ST. Stick to the plan...build the line, get a QB. Nothing else takes precedent over that...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 2, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Colt Brennan is a fan favorite?

That's so 2008. Now, Colt is somewhere between a shrug and "you mean that guy from Texas?"

Posted by: closer44 | April 2, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Troy Polamalu
Ed Reed
Brian Dawkins
Adrian Wilson
Darren Sharper
Antoine Bethea
Brandon Meriweather
Gibril Wilson
Kenny Phillips
O.J Atogwe
Michael Griffin
Chris Hope
Nick Collins
Kerry Rhodes
Ken Hamlin


... yeah, a bunch of dime a dozen bamas right here.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 2, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

With the draft coming and all, I'm curious: has anyone heard that Coach Mike Shanahan is believed to be highly interested in drafting and "raising" a quarterback? It seems like that's something RI would have reported.

Posted by: closer44 | April 2, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Red, not a single player on your list was taken in the top 5...not even top 10. I count no less than 3 of them being undrafted guys. If anything, that list reinforces the point that you can get a safety anywhere...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 2, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Taking Berry at four is NOT my first choice. And I never said they should draft him with their pick.

All I'm saying is that the guy is going to be on the highlight reels making plays for the next 10 years.

Man...

Posted by: RedDMV | April 2, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

My bad, Red. I'll buy that statement then.

I just don't get why folks here would REALLY go all Vinny on us and blow another top 10 pick on a safety. I mean, if you don't learn after the first two times...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 2, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

brown, I'm arguing the fact that safety is an important position. rmcazz, said that "safeties are a dime a dozen". That list would suggest otherwise. And those are just guys that I'd call elite to great at what they do.

Again, for those who can't hear me in the back, I'm not advocating, suggesting, or pimping the idea to draft Berry at 4.

All I'm saying is dude is gonna be a beast for the next decade, and whoever gets him will be very lucky, peroid.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 2, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

I mean, if you don't learn after the first two times...

Posted by: brownwood26
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I don't deify ST as much as some around here, but you think that was a bad pick? I mean it's pretty unlikely that whoever we pick, whatever their position, will be murdered.

Posted by: closer44 | April 2, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins did have a top 10 defense last year, but yards allowed per game is not really a meaningful way to measure a defense....for example, not every defense plays the same amount of snaps each game. But I digress, and that's probably too complicated to explain.

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | April 2, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

All I'm saying is dude is gonna be a beast for the next decade, and whoever gets him will be very lucky, peroid.
Posted by: RedDMV | April 2, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

You must have forgotten how things work….up here talk like that means you are “on his nutz”…..and that you do in fact love the guy, want the skins to ignore the OL problems and pick him, and think he’s the greatest safety of all time.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 2, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Not that I'm his assigned counsel or anything, but what I think Ray meant was you can get a safety just about anywhere and you don't have to take them high. In this league, it's kind of a common sense rule that if you're picking in the top 10 you don't take safeties or TEs. It's not that they aren't important, it's that you don't have to make a massive initial investment on them at the top of the draft to get an elite one.

I'll let Ray speak for himself, but that's how I interpreted what he said.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 2, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

F pollen
F grass
F trees
F insects
F my runny nose
F my itching eyes
F allergy medicine
F the third week of March until the second week of May.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 2, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

They have to get creative this time of year. I’m just tired of the same conversations being rehashed over and over and over. Here’s my a.m. prediction of the conversations up here for today:
1. Draft O-lineman
2. No, draft BPA or QB
....

Book it!


Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 2, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

You forgot to mention - Earthquake Relief Aircraft Carrier.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | April 2, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

If Eric Berry is going to be a beast then he is going to be a beast. So will Su and Mccoy (the DT), but we NEED other positions more. Taking a guy because he will be awesome for 10 years is...well a$$inine. Okung will be awesome for 10 years as well protecting the most valuable asset we will have on the field the QB. At pick number 4 you get the luxury of picking one of the best at whatever position you like, a few years ago when we snagged ST we had a good offensive line and could afford the luxery of snagging him high, same with Laron (kinda) this year is different.

Posted by: skinball77 | April 2, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

This team has needs everywhere. If they keep the pick, they should draft the best player available, regardless of position. Not saying that Berry's the pick, but if you somehow knew that he'd be as good as Polamalu or Reed or Sanders, you wouldn't grab him in a heartbeat?

Posted by: randysbailin | April 2, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

red, I don't have em, but my oldest daughter does, allergies, they're not fun/funny in the least....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 2, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

You forgot to mention - Earthquake Relief Aircraft Carrier.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston

el oh el

Posted by: skinball77 | April 2, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

I don't deify ST as much as some around here, but you think that was a bad pick? I mean it's pretty unlikely that whoever we pick, whatever their position, will be murdered.

Posted by: closer44 | April 2, 2010 9:29 AM


Closer, I didn't realize how that would sound until after I posted it...I didn't mean that all, I'm just saying that if you break from conventional wisdom once on ST that's fine...but don't take ANOTHER safety in the top 10 just 3 years later. And IMO, it's completely unthinkable to even remotely consider taking ANOTHER safety high in the 1st round 3 years from that.

So my comment was more a damnation of taking Landry than it was taking ST. I'm not sure many here would disagree with that.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 2, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

http://walterfootball.com/jimmyclausenhate.php

Read and discuss. The JCampbell lovers should like this one.

By: LH

________________________________________

Too long....I'll just take your word for it....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

I definitely think we must draft O line at #4, but if we do not, I would prefer Berry over a flippin' QB.

Bottom line: With a #4 pick, we need a player who can start and make a difference (a good difference) THIS season.

What we really need to do is trade for more picks, though.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 2, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

In this league, it's kind of a common sense rule that if you're picking in the top 10 you don't take safeties or TEs. It's not that they aren't important, it's that you don't have to make a massive initial investment on them at the top of the draft to get an elite one.

I'll let Ray speak for himself, but that's how I interpreted what he said.

Posted by: brownwood26
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I don't doubt the logic in theory, but earlier talk about Polamalu being the 16th pick prompted me to take a look at that draft. It's true he was the 16th pick in 2003, but if the GMs then could have seen into the future it's likely he would have been the #1 or 2 overall. The only players from that draft whose careers so far come close to his are Andre Johnson, Kevin Williams and Nnamdi Asomugha.

Posted by: closer44 | April 2, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Ya'll have prolly seen this, but in case you haven't -- Jason LaCanfora's take on the QB rumor mill spinning in DC:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/09000d5d81749780/D-C-mystery

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 2, 2010 8:41 AM


I have been thinking Shanny likes McCoy as well....

JLaC is just doing the same thing I'm doing....geussing....I wouldn't mind if we are both right..

...But best believe Kyle will have eqaul, if not greater influence on this decesion.....If it isn't just Kyle's pick all together.....

Book it!

(You know Kyle Shanny went to and played @ Texas, so he has all the info he would need about Colt. First time you heard that tidbit.....but keep calling me crazy...)

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2010 3:17 AM

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

I think the Skins should keep up with the Berry talks if only to swap picks with the Chiefs and pick up a late rounder at no cost. It happens every year.

Posted by: WaPoLiveFan16 | April 2, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Lisa, absolutely NO safety at #4. Unless the Rams, Lions, and Bucs are magically allowed to pick two players at a time, there's no circumstance under which we should or would take a safety.

O-line and then QB as a DISTANT 2nd. Nothing else makes any sense at #4.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 2, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Thing about it, bean, is that today and this weekend will be great as far as the weather. But I'll probably spend most of it in the house.

When the pollen count is really high and you have severe allergies sometimes medicine is useless.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 2, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Oops. Missed Carson Palmer. Let's make Polamalu #2 or #3.

Posted by: closer44 | April 2, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

I dont care who we pick as long as its the best player on the board. Teams that draft for need are more prone to draft a bust or a player who's stock isnt that high a perfect example is fred davis we didnt need him but he was the best player on the board at the time and now he is a beast Berry, Suh, Clausen it doesnt matter whoever it is im behind them 100% the best player on the board is all i want

HTTR!!!! RIP#21 4EVER

Posted by: cpt55back | April 2, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

red, do you have a prescription? My daughter does, and after she takes it, she's pretty good....have you gotten any type of allergy testing done...if not, might want to look into it...could be worthwhile, especially with some nice weather finally here....

I'm not a Dr. but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 2, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

You DO need an offensive line, though...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 2, 2010 9:08 AM


And ILB, and NT, and RB, and QB.....

Actually, I could see possibly R McClain shooting up to #4 as well.....Especially if their going the 3-4 route.

On draft day (1 or 2), we will have more picks because there will be a whole lot a trading goin on........If they want McCoy, their going to have to jump back in the bottom of the 1st round.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

I don't doubt the logic in theory, but earlier talk about Polamalu being the 16th pick prompted me to take a look at that draft. It's true he was the 16th pick in 2003, but if the GMs then could have seen into the future it's likely he would have been the #1 or 2 overall. The only players from that draft whose careers so far come close to his are Andre Johnson, Kevin Williams and Nnamdi Asomugha.

Posted by: closer44 | April 2, 2010 9:45 AM


Hindsight is always 20/20, so that argument doesn't hold water, IMO.

If you take safeties that high, you'll miss on that pick more than you'll hit. I don't care how much the Steelers liked Polamalu that year, I've followed that team long enough to know that if they were picking in the top 5, they wouldn't have taken him there.

Stuff like that doesn't become conventional wisdom without some level of merit to it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 2, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

When the pollen count is really high and you have severe allergies sometimes medicine is useless.
Posted by: RedDMV | April 2, 2010 9:46 AM

Tell your doctor to prescribe Veramyst….I am a “severe sufferer”, but as soon as I got on this stuff my allergies have all but disappeared. Haven’t so much as sneezed today.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 2, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

I dont care who we pick as long as its the best player on the board. Teams that draft for need are more prone to draft a bust or a player who's stock isnt that high a perfect example is fred davis we didnt need him but he was the best player on the board at the time and now he is a beast Berry, Suh, Clausen it doesnt matter whoever it is im behind them 100% the best player on the board is all i want

HTTR!!!! RIP#21 4EVER

Posted by: cpt55back


You got to balance between need and best available.

But for the most part I agree with what you said. The Davis example is a good one.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 2, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Most are going to find this laughable, but I'm kind of rooting for Jimmy Clausen. I think he's gotten a bad rap out of all of this, including the Todd McShay crap. The only thing I don't like is he got the seal of approval (i.e. the kiss of death) from Bug-Eye Vinny. So, I'm just gonna slip that under the rug and ignore it. He parallels Sanchez a lot. The definite top pick last was Stafford, this year it's Bradford. Sanchez and Clausen were/are the clear #2s in their respective years. Both knocked for being brash, lack of leadership, etc. Both are from Cali and played in pro-style offenses in college. Both went into the draft having a huge divide on how people felt they would turn out as a pro. Scouts initially anticipated them being a mid- to late-first rounders, but buzz is moving them into the top 10.

Sanchez (and so too with Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco) took a horrific Jets team and made them a play-off team in his rookie season. In fact, they shocked everyone when they were one game away from the SB. Clausen could do that for us (playoffs, not necessarily an NFC Championship) considering we too have a decent defense. And, no matter what you think of Clausen, I bet you couldn't find TWO(!) scouts whose *pre-draft* scores last year for Sanchez are higher than Clausen's pre-draft scores. That's not a knock on Sanchez, but last year wasn't a good QB crop and he wasn't as highly regarded as Bradford or Clausen are this year. This is a pretty good draft, last year's was weak. I'm sold, let's draft Clausen! (I told you that you would probably find this laughable. Ha!)

Posted by: C-DubDC | April 2, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

http://walterfootball.com/jimmyclausenhate.php

Read and discuss. The JCampbell lovers should like this one.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 2, 2010 8:09 AM |

Good read, Mr. Hand. Folks who should read it are the Clausen-haters. Best case I've seen for the guy. Still hope they go OT @ #4, but if they choose Clausen, this is why.

Posted by: League-Source | April 2, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

bean and dl, thanks for the suggestions. I'm definitely going to look into the testing and see if I can get prescribed some over the counter meds.

This Allegra junk doesn't do it for me. I gave up on Claritin years ago, and Benadryl I haven't taken since I was a youngin'.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 2, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

So my comment was more a damnation of taking Landry than it was taking ST. I'm not sure many here would disagree with that.

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I don't disagree with that, and I don't want Berry at 4. But I do think that the idea you shouldn't take a safety high is B.S. (Your argument that THIS YEAR the REDSKINS shouldn't has more merit.) But still, safeties can be game changers. Guys like Sean Taylor, Reed, and Polamalu (I know ER & TP weren't top-5, but in retrospect should have been) are worth a top-5 pick/contract.

Posted by: closer44 | April 2, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

"How does 2 or 3 perennial all-pro's = safeties are a dime a dozen?"

Ok, stop turning my words around please.

The comment was that Berry would be a "perennial all-pro."

He could be, but the law of averages says that he will not be. My comment to further rebuff that argument was that there are only 2-3 "PERENNIAL all-pros" in the entire league. Again, the comment was "perennial all-pros."

Why would you waste a #4 pick in the draft on a safety??

And yes, safety is a very weak position in the NFL. For example, if you can't play corner then you play safety. Look at Laron Landry, he sucks and he was taken with a top 10 pick. Now look at Horton who was taken with a 7th round pick.

I'll take Horton any day of the week over Landry. Oh that's right, Horton also plays special teams in case you were curious. :P

I'll take the stud OT at #4, you can take Berry and we'll see who is better off. Safeties in the NFL are a dime a dozen, you NEVER, EVER, take a safety that high.

Stop twisting my words please.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | April 2, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I dont care who we pick as long as its the best player on the board. Teams that draft for need are more prone to draft a bust or a player who's stock isnt that high a perfect example is fred davis we didnt need him but he was the best player on the board at the time and now he is a beast Berry, Suh, Clausen it doesnt matter whoever it is im behind them 100% the best player on the board is all i want

HTTR!!!! RIP#21 4EVER

Posted by: cpt55back

And you do realize this is the Vincent Cerrato draft strategy as well?

Mine philosphy is a mixture. You get the best available at the most needest value.

Example:

If BRadford and Okung are gone @ #4, you don't go for the 2nd best LT because the value isn't there. But you could go #2 QB if his value merits top 4 pick. Otherwise, you go to your next need and get best available. Which would be Spiller or McClain.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

HAYNESWORTH goes on draft day to SEATTLE minus 21 million in bonus money along with ANDRE CARTER to MIAMI. We get a first-AH, third-AC, and fifth-AH in extra picks from two different clubs.

Now we have 2 firsts #4 and #6, a second #37, a third # 73, a fourth #103, two fifths #135 and #139, a seventh #239, and a partridge in a pear tree.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 2, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

ou don't go for the 2nd best LT because the value isn't there

the offense wont be there either, come september if thats the case.

I'd take Baluaga at 4...gotta fix the line...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 2, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I don't doubt the logic in theory, but earlier talk about Polamalu being the 16th pick prompted me to take a look at that draft. It's true he was the 16th pick in 2003, but if the GMs then could have seen into the future it's likely he would have been the #1 or 2 overall. The only players from that draft whose careers so far come close to his are Andre Johnson, Kevin Williams and Nnamdi Asomugha.

Posted by: closer44 | April 2, 2010 9:45 AM


Hindsight is always 20/20, so that argument doesn't hold water, IMO.

If you take safeties that high, you'll miss on that pick more than you'll hit. I don't care how much the Steelers liked Polamalu that year, I've followed that team long enough to know that if they were picking in the top 5, they wouldn't have taken him there.

Stuff like that doesn't become conventional wisdom without some level of merit to it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 2, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse
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Of course hindsight's 20/20. That's why I was using it. Teams can and do miss at every position. My point is that safeties can be game changers. Look at how the Steelers D suffered w/o Polamalu. I know this goes against the traditional wisdom, but I think that if a safety can be that important to your team it's nonsense to have some unwritten rule that you don't draft them high.

Posted by: closer44 | April 2, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

HAYNESWORTH goes on draft day to SEATTLE minus 21 million in bonus money along with ANDRE CARTER to MIAMI. We get a first-AH, third-AC, and fifth-AH in extra picks from two different clubs.

gl, I happen to have some land for sale...its not swamp land either, I SWEAR....oh, and VCerrato is consulting for the Redskins...and I'm a GQ Male Model....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 2, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Please no safety at #4, look what a safety at #6 got us, a can't cover , miss tackler. Man, LL can't even make a big hit anymore because of all the whiffs!

Posted by: joeboggs | April 2, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

"......fred davis we didnt need him but he was the best player on the board at the time and now he is a beast......"

Not in my book. Until he learns how to hold onto thrown balls in traffic he's nothing, a zero. Too many deflections and fumbles going to the wrong end-zone for my taste.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 2, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

I know offensive line is a priority, but stats show using the high draft picks on defensive players like Berry have the chances of improving the team all around vs going with a qb. Good defensive players can always transition to the next level, offensive players is more of a role of the dice.

Posted by: rodskin | April 2, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

HAYNESWORTH goes on draft day to SEATTLE minus 21 million in bonus money along with ANDRE CARTER to MIAMI. We get a first-AH, third-AC, and fifth-AH in extra picks from two different clubs.

Now we have 2 firsts #4 and #6, a second #37, a third # 73, a fourth #103, two fifths #135 and #139, a seventh #239, and a partridge in a pear tree.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 2, 2010 10:10 AM

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Here's the problem: just because we want to get RID of someone, doesn't mean someone will TAKE them and/or give up draft picks for them (especially the 6th pick overall).

Posted by: C-DubDC | April 2, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Hey BeanTownGreg1,

I'm no doctor either, but there is growing evidence that diet is extremely important. Lots of water and live healthy foods if you know what I mean. As less processed foods as possible.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | April 2, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

If BRadford and Okung are gone @ #4, you don't go for the 2nd best LT because the value isn't there. But you could go #2 QB if his value merits top 4 pick. Otherwise, you go to your next need and get best available. Which would be Spiller or McClain.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse


4th I think there is a bled of the two strategy that works best. If you usually look at the top 5 guys on the board once its your pick, and then pick the guy from those 5 that fills a need for your team, then it will all balance out.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 2, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Hey we could sure use you kid but not at #4. Can ya play a little Corner?? You probably could start over 'Butter' Rogers right NOW.

Posted by: kahlua87 | April 2, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Best player available at #4 will probably be Dez Bryant.

Posted by: coparker5 | April 2, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Please no safety at #4, look what a safety at #6 got us, a can't cover , miss tackler. Man, LL can't even make a big hit anymore because of all the whiffs!

Posted by: joeboggs
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Please, not QB at #4. We took Heath Shuler at #3 and look what that got us. Please, no OT at #4. The Bills took BMW at #4 and look what that got them.

Disclaimer, I don't want Berry at #4, but I think the argument that no safety is worth a pick that high is B.S.

Posted by: closer44 | April 2, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

I agree it is good strategy to pay Albert all that money up front, so now we have great flexibility with him, but do the Redskins think it is best to trade him for picks, I don't know???

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | April 2, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

My comment to further rebuff that argument was that there are only 2-3 "PERENNIAL all-pros" in the entire league.

Posted by: rmcazz


This is another erroneous statement.

Dude, go look at the all-pro teams from the past, and I bet your last two quarters that you'll find more than just "2-3" guys who've made MULTIPLE all-pro teams.

Think about the better players at certain positions. Now think about how long they have been a mainstay at that position. Those guys are usually your all-pro players and they're more than just two or three I guarantee you.

You can do this with EVERY position in the NFL. It's not like they have some huge turnover rate where guys are in and out of the league every year. You find a guy like Berry, draft him, and then forget about the position for the next decade.


And just in case you didn't hear me the last 15,672,832 times: I DON'T WANT THEM TO DRAFT ERIC BERRY if other players are available and they're not reaching by drafting them.

But I wouldn't cry out "oh the horror" if they did.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 2, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Hi guys,

Don't have a chance to read the comments very often, so I'm not sure if this was posted, but go to this link:

http://www.drafthistory.com/positions/qb.html

Look at the success of the QBs taken in the top 10 of the draft. In the last 10 years alone 4 QBs taken at #1 are total busts (Couch, Jamarcus, Alex Smith, David Carr), and the entire crop of busts is overwhelming. The experts don't know anything.

We need o-line, plain and simple. Even if Bradford, Clausen, Tebow or whatever other QB is available is around at pick #4. Stephon Heyer is the only OT on our roster for the love of god.

Posted by: jonbrownvt | April 2, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Please, not QB at #4. We took Heath Shuler at #3 and look what that got us. Please, no OT at #4. The Bills took BMW at #4 and look what that got them.

Disclaimer, I don't want Berry at #4, but I think the argument that no safety is worth a pick that high is B.S.

Posted by: closer44 |

I agree no QB at 4 but for every Mike Williams there is a Pace, Samuels, etc.... at LT. Okung would be more of a difference maker if he pans out then a safety.

Posted by: joeboggs | April 2, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I'd take Baluaga at 4...gotta fix the line...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 2, 2010 10:11 AM

Bulaga will be a carrer RT....Then why draft him at #4?

Here is a draft analysis of DE Brandon Graham:


http://www.maizenbrew.com/2010/3/30/1385924/a-pre-nfl-draft-look-at-michigan

The numbers are pretty staggering. They're even more impressive when you line them up against the two guys slated ahead of him. Another point to make, I wrote the above piece before the Senior Bowl, so Graham's performance and and competition there aren't factored in. But if you consider the Senior Bowl, it is a microcosm of something Michigan fans have known ever since Graham donned a winged helmet. The better Graham's competition, the better he plays:

Graham's game picked up as the season went on despite Michigan's struggles. Against ranked teams Graham was insane. Against #7 Iowa and Bulaga, Graham racked up 3.5 TFL and 2 sacks.

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Would you still draft this guy @ #4?????

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I can tell I've been reading through these sites too much recently; last night I dreamed we drafted Suh... who, btw, I don't want (not because he won't be great...we just have other needs AND I'm pretty sure he'll be gone by #4).

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | April 2, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Please no safety at #4, look what a safety at #6 got us, a can't cover , miss tackler. Man, LL can't even make a big hit anymore because of all the whiffs!

Posted by: joeboggs

Well, a safety at #5 was an amazing pick for us (ST). Amazing pick...Amazing player....miss him soooo much.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 2, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Sanchez (and so too with Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco) took a horrific Jets team and made them a play-off team in his rookie season...

Posted by: C-DubDC | April 2, 2010 9:54 AM


Here we go again...giving the QB all the credit.

The Jets are built on playing great D and have one of the best O-lines in football. That squad went to the playoffs and to the conference title IN SPITE of Sanchez, not BECAUSE OF. Saying otherwise is retarded, especially if you look at his horrid numbers from last season.

I'll go as far as to say that the Jets would have gone to the SB if they had some solid-yet-unspectacular QB, a la Trent Dilfer last year. You gotta figure Sanchez cost them at least 2 or 3 games with all the picks he threw.

So just like Sanchez would have been a trainwreck as a Redskin last year, Clausen will be if he has to play behind the rickety line we have in place right now.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 2, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Not in my book. Until he learns how to hold onto thrown balls in traffic he's nothing, a zero. Too many deflections and fumbles going to the wrong end-zone for my taste.

Posted by: glawrence007


Fred Davis had 5 drops last year.

Vernon Davis had ELEVEN, Celek had nine, Colston had eight, Calvin Johnson had eight, Driver and Avery had five apiece.

Those guys are nothings and zeros as well, I guess.

Oh and, for the record, Moss had 5 drop passes also.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 2, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Is there any truth to the speculation that Eric Berry is Marion Berry's nephew? Mayor Marion attended college in Tennessee.

Posted by: Spanglerg | April 2, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Best player available at #4 will probably be Dez Bryant.

Posted by: coparker5 | April 2, 2010 10:20 AM

Not in the Redskins draft....he prob won't even be on their draft board...and if he is, the need is so low, he'll prob be sitting in the 20s for us......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

If both reach all-pro status (and I' sure they will), drafting Okung will be the bigger payoff in the long run. No doubt about that.

But you just don't spit on a talent like Berry and suggest that his position (safety) is expendable and pass him up -- if all other options are exhausted -- to do so is foolish.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 2, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Closer, bottom line is if this team continues to build the team backwards the team will still reside in the basement of the NFC East. Period. There's a reason why Vinny was the ONLY guy taking safeties that high.

And the other thing folks are overlooking is that Ed Reed didn't roll out of bed draft day an All-Pro. He was developed by one of the best defensive staffs in football. Polamalu didn't come outta the womb intercepting passes, he was developed by a Steeler team that gets the most out of their players regularly.

When you're straight at the line of scrimmage like those teams are, you can afford to make a gamble on a FS that high. The Redskins are the antithesis of that scenario.

O-line 1st and foremost. QB DISTANT 2nd. Nothing else matters nearly enough.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 2, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

red, haha, nice work...I mean, if you want to use facts and all, thats great.

I think Davis/Cooley have huge years in 2010......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 2, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Kent Somers, of The Arizona Republic, reports Arizona Cardinals OT Jeremy Bridges could start at left tackle next season if the team decides to keep OT Levi J. Brown at right tackle.

Dave Hutchinson, of the Star-Ledger, reports Rutgers OT Anthony X. Davis said he believes he is the best offensive tackle in the 2010 NFL Draft. "I'm not just saying it because it's me, I watch film, too. If I felt it was somebody else, I would say it was him. But just watching the film, I think it's like hands-down that I'm the best tackle in the country. I don't think I'm wrong for saying it because I truly believe it," Davis said

Posted by: skinfanman | April 2, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

The Jets are built on playing great D and have one of the best O-lines in football. That squad went to the playoffs and to the conference title IN SPITE of Sanchez, not BECAUSE OF. Saying otherwise is retarded, especially if you look at his horrid numbers from last season.

I'll go as far as to say that the Jets would have gone to the SB if they had some solid-yet-unspectacular QB, a la Trent Dilfer last year. You gotta figure Sanchez cost them at least 2 or 3 games with all the picks he threw.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 2, 2010 10:32 AM

Dude.....he they went to the playoffs based on their stout Defense and running game.

Advancing in the playoffs had just as much to do with Sanchez as any other portion of the team......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Driver and Avery actually had SEVEN dropped passes. Two more than that nothing of a zero, Fred Davis.

When it went down, like most people I was pissed they drafted Fred Davis. But after seeing that cat ball, I hope they keep him because in Shanahan's offense he can become like Shannon Sharpe.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 2, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I think that the only scenario that we pick Berry at #4 is if we have #3 and #5 pick also.
Secondary was a weak point last year but the lack of offense should be the main concern and I think that's the direction they will go.
We all have favorites and differing opinions on the pick as I'm sure Shanallen has and you can bet they won't tip their hand.

Posted by: westjr88 | April 2, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Fred Davis had 5 drops last year.

Vernon Davis had ELEVEN, Celek had nine, Colston had eight, Calvin Johnson had eight, Driver and Avery had five apiece.

Those guys are nothings and zeros as well, I guess.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 2, 2010 10:33 AM


Love ya Red, but that ain't a far comparison...the guys you mentioned had a sh*tload more targets than Davis and started way more games. But I will say that drops tend to be an overrated stat because usually a guy who is high up on the list of drops makes a helluva lot of catches too. I mean, who here wouldn't take a guy who drops 15 passes but catches 100?

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 2, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I'll go as far as to say that the Jets would have gone to the SB if they had some solid-yet-unspectacular QB, a la Trent Dilfer last year. You gotta figure Sanchez cost them at least 2 or 3 games with all the picks he threw.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 2, 2010 10:32 AM

How do you come up with SB? The Jets won their first two playoff games with Sanchez. Sanchez had a 92.7 QB rating in the playoffs and he and Flacco are the only two rookies ever to win two playoff games.

The Jets lost the third game to Indy, 30-17. Peyton Manning was hot that game (QB rating of 124) and the loss was on the Jets' D, not on Sanchez.

Posted by: League-Source | April 2, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I can't wait till after the draft. This place will be comical as hell.

Posted by: westjr88 | April 2, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Advancing in the playoffs had just as much to do with Sanchez as any other portion of the team......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2010 10:42 AM


Maybe, but if they win a couple more regular season games, they probably get at least a 2 seed in the playoffs and don't have to play in the wild card round. Might have changed the whole AFC playoff picture.

But that's just wild speculation on my part...no sense in wasting space over the f-ing Jets. All I'm saying is that it's crazy to say that Sanchez "led" the Jets to the AFC title game. His regular season play was a liability, not an asset.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 2, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Berry would be a "nice to have" and Washington can't afford to waste draft picks on "nice to have" players. They have far too many needs. Having Okung fall to them would be great, but if they can't get him they should trade down and still pick up LT's.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 2, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

But they made the PLAYOFFS....

In the past 4 years, 2 6th seeded teams have won the SB.....Irregardless of having a home game or playing in the WC away....

And he was just a rookie! No where to go but up...especially after that great playoff QB ratings he incurred beating two top teams in their home and on the verge of knocking off Indy 1 QTR in.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

"...Taylor's birthday was Thursday; he would have been 27."

Damn. Just.....Damn.

Posted by: 4-12 | April 2, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

The Jets lost the third game to Indy, 30-17. Peyton Manning was hot that game (QB rating of 124) and the loss was on the Jets' D, not on Sanchez.

Posted by: League-Source | April 2, 2010 10:48 AM


The crux of my argument is that the Jets don't have to go into the playoffs a 6 seed if Sanchez doesn't go all JaMarcus in the middle of the season. If that team wins just 3 more games, they're 12-4 and get at least one home playoff game. It changes the whole AFC bracket. Indy could have played a team that would have upset them early, who knows? With that D and that ground game, the Jets would have been a tough out...especially at home.

But again...all guesswork for a team I don't care nearly enough about.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 2, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Eric Berry is as much of a 'sure thing' at the top of the draft as you can get. The Redskins could certainly use him and he would make the defense much better. He is a 'difference maker' on defense for any team - one who the opposition has to spend time accounting for on each and every play.

Yet that's exactly why the Redskins won't take him at no. 4 (even though Monte Kiffin says he'd take him at no. 1). He's a good, safe pick who will likely be a perennial pro-bowler for 10 years. But in the 'sell tickets' mentality of DS, not flashy enough.

KC will get a great player in Berry.

Posted by: SavedByZero | April 2, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

The crux of my argument is that the Jets don't have to go into the playoffs a 6 seed if Sanchez doesn't go all JaMarcus in the middle of the season. If that team wins just 3 more games, they're 12-4 and get at least one home playoff game. It changes the whole AFC bracket. Indy could have played a team that would have upset them early, who knows? With that D and that ground game, the Jets would have been a tough out...especially at home.

But again...all guesswork for a team I don't care nearly enough about.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 2, 2010 10:54 AM

BS. They still would have played Indy in Indy and their defense still would have come up small. Sanchez didn't keep them out of the SB.

Posted by: League-Source | April 2, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

"...Taylor's birthday was Thursday; he would have been 27."

Damn. Just.....Damn.

Posted by: 4-12 | April 2, 2010 10:54 AM |

Exactly what i thought when I read that.

What could have been....

Posted by: edvar | April 2, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

*best Jim Mora voice*

PLAYOFFS?!?!? PLAYOFFS??!!?

Posted by: westjr88 | April 2, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

"...Taylor's birthday was Thursday; he would have been 27."

Damn. Just.....Damn.

RIP

Posted by: westjr88 | April 2, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

This is it...this is the year to make up for years of ignoring the O-line. We can't afford to blow this.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 2, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sold on Bulaga or Williams as elite Left Tackles myself. I'm hoping Okung is there at #4 and then I'd feel a whole lot better about it. I just get very leary when I hear people saying we have to take a tackle with that pick no matter what.

I agree that the offensive line needs to be addressed big time. I'd rather trade down out of that #4 pick than take Berry. Like you said, the LT position is deep. You can trade down and still get players that caliber of Williams of Bulaga.

I guess this is how I'd rate the viable options:

1- Take either Bradford or Okung at 4
2- Trade down and take Bulaga or Williams
3- Take Berry or Suh at 4
4- Take Bulaga or Williams at 4
5- Trade down for Clausen
6- Take Clausen at 4


Posted by: dfbovey | April 2, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Coach Hall weighs in on Orakpo

Posted by: League-Source | April 2, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 2, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

"...Taylor's birthday was Thursday; he would have been 27."

Damn. Just.....Damn.

Posted by: 4-12 | April 2, 2010 10:54 AM

Another great one who failed to make it to 25......

Still upset Redskins (and soon to be looking at Agent Zero) haven't focused their efforts in the city to help reduce gun violence...especially after the tragedy on South Side earlier this week....

...My uncle lives only blocks from where the drive by happened...and I also got a bunch of youth I know on that side....Any of them cold have been gunned down that day......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Okay, Brown.

Tim Hightower had eight last year, McMichael only had 34 catches but had NINE catches, Crabtree had the same amount of catches as Fred Davis and had two more drops, Manningham had seven as well...

How about those guys? They were targeted about the same amount of times Fred Davis was last year and they all had more drops.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 2, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Agree to disagree, LS. If the playoff seeding got jumbled up and the Jets played the Colts the week before (off a bye week), that could have changed everything. You never know in this league.

But you need to go back and look at my original comment...I said that Sanchez cost them 2-3 games last year because of horrid play in the middle of the year. I never said "he kept them out of the SB".

I just said he kept them out of a higher seed.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 2, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Draft Day...

Skins trade #4 pick to SF for #13 and #17. SF solidifies an already good defense with Berry.

At 13, Skins pick Trent Williams or Brian Beluga. At 17, Skins pick Earl Thomas.

At 34, Skins trade down AGAIN, this time with the Patriots, for their #47 and #53.

At 47, Washington takes Colt McCoy. At 53, Washington takes Charlie Brown, OT from USC.

Book it!

Posted by: dpc2003 | April 2, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Why do I get the sick feeling the Redskins are going to do something crazy on draft day?

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | April 2, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I'm starting to like this kid Clausen. Realizing bradford is not an option. People say he's kinda like ryan leaf, I doubt in anyway that this is the case. But haveing a little chip on your shoulder with a killer competitive edge is what may be missing in JC17. As long as he can make all the throws at his pro day. let's imagine coming away from this draft with Okung and Clausen sprinkle in O-lineman and a late late round RB. I'd be a happy man. I can dream can't I.

Posted by: sthai75 | April 2, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I know I'll get blasted for this... But here goes. So you don't think I'm an ignorant bum, I've had skins season tickets for 40 years and follow them religiously. BUT, IMO, the accolades heaped on Sean Taylor as a player by most fans don't really match up to his production. Sure, he had the talent/ability and was showing signs of developing into that great safety that everyone envisioned and saw as his potential. But he wasn't there yet. He didn't take the safety position by storm and even in his 4th year in the league, though he was viewed as one of the top-5 safeties and a fierce hitter...he still had weaknesses with coverages and he wasn't the ball hawk (turnovers) he should have been. Even at the time of his death, he wasn't at the level the skins or talent evaluators thought he should be at that point (4th year pro) when he was drafted.
Don't get me wrong...I'm not trying to knock Sean Taylor in any way...Just getting tired of all the comments that immortalize him as a player.

Posted by: bamaboy1 | April 2, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

what a stupid statement and LIE: sanchez took his a horrible jets team and made them a playoff team..really he did? with 12-20 touchdown to interception ratio. are you one of the same racist, bigots, that claim campbell is a horrible qb also? stop snorting heroin the jets have a powerful running game and probably the best o-line in the league,and a defense that gets turnovers that is how they got in the play-offs. sanchez threw the ball well in the 1st half of the championship game but before you compare him to any top qb just wait awhile.

Posted by: wathu19 | April 2, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Id rather draft Marion Berry. He fills a need. He can replace that old guy who weras the skins outfit. I mean that is more important then getting a lineman too. Right?

Posted by: digger76 | April 2, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I agree with everyone's thoughts.... Oline is the most pressing need, but if you can't a Pro Bowl or Franchise LT at the 4th pick then the Skins should consider taking the a future perennial Pro Bowler at #4 and Eric Berry is a Pro Bowler in the making. I watched the dude in high school and college and he is along the same lines as Ed Reed. He is a game changer and will be so for at least a decade......

Posted by: 8Ball96 | April 2, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I'd love to have Berry on the team, but then there are a lot of guys I'd love to have on the team and safety is not the number 1 priority. If this was free agency, we could target anyone we want, but you only get certain picks in the draft and I can't see using the fourth pick on a safety.

Build from the line. If Okung is gone then it means that McCoy or Suh are probably there. I don't care who we have already, when you can get guys like that, you take them.

If Bradford falls to us at 4, then you find a team that covets him and look at trading back a few spots and gaining at least a second 1 for next year.

Posted by: MrDumberton | April 2, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Stock up on Offensive Linemen...three picks (1st, 2nd, and later round pick). We are still a work in progress so why not start with the base. QB and RB as well...with late round picks.

Go Skins.

Posted by: DCSPORTSFANATIC | April 2, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Ive been saying this since the regular season Eric Berry needs to be our guy....

Posted by: ccrum87 | April 2, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

What people fail to realize is, its going to take time to rebuild this team. Priority is one thing...but when you have an extremly talented athlete such as Berry, you'd be a fool to pass up on that. When a team has safeties that can put fear in wide receivers and OC's...you're stuck to just having to contain the running game. and over the years, that has never been a major issue with the skins.

Personally, I would like to see an OL draft early..if not 1st then DEFINITELY the 2nd pick. But the o-line is definitely something that has to be built over time. Luckily we hae signed Larry Johnson who has put up record setting numbers for years in kansas city behind an o-line that wouldn't make my high school's jv squad!!!!

Posted by: Raymodmv80 | April 2, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

He admired Sean Taylor? Really! Why? Aren't there enough thugs on the Skins' yet? Sean Taylor was an arch criminal that picked up a gun and threatened and brandished over a thousand dollar ATV. He was still on probation for his feonies when a guy JUST LIKE HIM broke in and shot him. Gee he was SO worthy of admiration. And SUCH a tough guy, too.

Hey Sean, look at you now.

Posted by: JamesChristian | April 2, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

@ 8Ball96...I agree with everyone's thoughts.... Oline is the most pressing need, but if you can't a Pro Bowl or Franchise LT at the 4th pick then the Skins should consider taking the a future perennial Pro Bowler at #4 and Eric Berry is a Pro Bowler in the making. I watched the dude in high school and college and he is along the same lines as Ed Reed. He is a game changer and will be so for at least a decade......

Posted by: 8Ball96

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So on point!
Glad there are still sensible skins fan out there... we still still need a game changer at safety.

Posted by: samiismoni14 | April 2, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

ESPN is reporting that the Redskins have signed Willie Parker to a 1 year deal. Supposedly worth around 3.1 mil.

Posted by: arioch666 | April 2, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

"Don't underestimate the impact a top safety can have on a defense" -- Yours Truly, Troy Polamalu and Ed Reed

Posted by: randysbailin | April 2, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

I still like Okung at #4.
However, unlike the QBs, I would not object to Berry.
Anyone think the Chiefs might be willing to swap Landry, "I celebrate every tackle I make like it's the greatest NFL play in history, but I can't cover at all," for Berry? Of course they wouldn't, but I can dream.

Posted by: mcgratsp | April 2, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

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