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Posted at 11:15 AM ET, 01/ 6/2011

Getting defensive

By Washington Post editors

The Washington Post's Jonathan Forsythe, LaVar Arrington, Rick Maese and Dan Steinberg discuss offseason priorities for the Redskins' 31st ranked defense.

By Washington Post editors  | January 6, 2011; 11:15 AM ET
Categories:  3-4 defense  
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Comments

I'm not watching this!

Posted by: PlayAction | January 6, 2011 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Tired of this "31st ranked defense" garbage. How about you tell me about the real stat..."points allowed." That's what defenses try to do right? Limit points?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 6, 2011 11:28 AM | Report abuse

4th is crazy and knows nothing about football (and got lucky a couple few times against the spreads ... but he totally knows nothing about over/under).

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2011 11:22 AM

Didn't best you in the over/under?

I should have won ROY, and it all came down to the last claim. 2ndPlace, but no $$ earned.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2011 11:28 AM | Report abuse

"Besides, their top-10 defenses in the 4-3 resulted in zero playoff wins since 2000."

Actually the Redskins top-10 defense in 2005 did win a playoff game...and with the offense providing a record low number of yards.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 6, 2011 11:28 AM | Report abuse

I nominate PA's comment as the new "FIRST".

whaddye think?

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 6, 2011 11:28 AM | Report abuse

What would Arrington know about defense?

3-4, 4-3 ... Arrington played a 1-10.

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2011 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Stats is Crap.

Did Tryon let Andre Johnson go in the end zone in single coverage when he was supposed to be doubling him on 4th & 10 from the 25 and let him score easily at the end of regulation?

Buchanon is no more than a nickel in this league. Tryon is still on an incline.

Last time I checked, 26 is 4 years younger than 30....4 years is a long time in the NFL...

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2011 11:15 AM | Report abuse

1) Stats are only crap when the disagree with the point you are trying to make. Whether you like it or not, they're a big part of how teams get put together in every major sport.

2) Not a big Colts fan. So I have no idea if Tryon even had the opportunity to cover Andre. Maybe Tryon = Revis island and no one even throws at him?

3) Never said Buchanon was more than a nickel. There's no evidence to suggest that Tryon is either.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 6, 2011 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2011 11:28 AM

I jammed in O/U ... and figured that btwn the Sam Bradford and Charlie Whitehurst, they'd be good for a few field goals each. Nice on the spreads though (except your man-love for the Bengals every week).

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2011 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Wow- Lavar needs a haircut.

The dreads don't work for him.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 6, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I nominate PA's comment as the new "FIRST".

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 6, 2011 11:28 AM

Thanks Dik...but that sh!t is copyrighted.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 6, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

3) Never said Buchanon was more than a nickel. There's no evidence to suggest that Tryon is either.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 6, 2011 11:31 AM

The way these posts are going, Tryon is much much more than a nickel ... and even more that Chuck Norris ... the guy has surpassed Marcus Mason status and is quickly approaching the pedestal reserved for Leigh Torrence.

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2011 11:37 AM | Report abuse

I did watch this.

It's 6 minutes of my life I won't get back.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 6, 2011 11:39 AM | Report abuse

In 2009 the Redskins gave up 21 points per game. In 2010 they gave up 23.6 points per game.

In 2009 the Redskins scored 16.6 points per game. In 2010 the Skins scored 18.9 points per game.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 6, 2011 11:42 AM | Report abuse

NFP top 10 mock. Interesting in that they have Luck, Cam, and Mallet in top 8 and Julio Jones to us. I watched JJ a lot this year and while he is good he didn't seem anywhere near the playmaker AJ Green was.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Top-10-Mock-Draft.html

Posted by: will_ga | January 6, 2011 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Why does Arrington get his ugly mug in these little videos when I would really like to hear more from Ken Harvey, Wilber Marshall, Monte Coleman and Chris Hanburger? All of those guys did more for the Redskins than Arrington did.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 6, 2011 11:46 AM | Report abuse

31st? I thought we were last... Or did the Texans slip to 32nd in the last week?

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | January 6, 2011 11:46 AM | Report abuse

3) Never said Buchanon was more than a nickel. There's no evidence to suggest that Tryon is either.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 6, 2011 11:31 AM

It's kool. We'll find out in the playoffs, cuz I'm sure the Colts will win (And cover -2.5/over @Sween).

I'm not using stats anymore to support or go against. I'm giving everyone the eye test from now on.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2011 11:46 AM | Report abuse

That damn monday night debacle cost nearly 4 points per game...whoa.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 6, 2011 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I'm not using stats anymore to support or go against. I'm giving everyone the eye test from now on.

Posted by: 4thFloor


Mine as well. They both have about the same hit rate.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2011 11:53 AM | Report abuse

What would Arrington know about defense?

3-4, 4-3 ... Arrington played a 1-10.

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2011 11:29 AM | Report abuse

I see what you did there.

I do wonder how to take what LaVar says in the podcasts about D. He seemed right on about AH.

Posted by: WorstSeat | January 6, 2011 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Ugh...just the sight of LaVar makes me angry...what a difference a decade makes, huh?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 6, 2011 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Stats is Crap.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2011 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Books is Crap Too!

Posted by: monk811 | January 6, 2011 11:58 AM | Report abuse

In 2009 the Redskins gave up 21 points per game. In 2010 they gave up 23.6 points per game.

In 2009 the Redskins scored 16.6 points per game. In 2010 the Skins scored 18.9 points per game.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 6, 2011 11:42 AM


Skins NFL rank in scoring 2009: 26
Skins NFL rank in scoring 2010: 25


Note: Defense and Teams scored 3 TDs in 2010.

Defense and Teams scored ZILCH in 2009. So the offense was really responsible for 281 points in 2010 vs 266 points in 2009.


Skins NFL rank in points against 2009: 18
Skins NFL rank in points against 2010: 21

Posted by: Alan4 | January 6, 2011 11:59 AM | Report abuse

That damn monday night debacle cost nearly 4 points per game...whoa.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 6, 2011 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Wow, without that debacle they would have been ranked higher in scoring difference, then we would have made the virtual playoffs for sure! Damn this real life stuff.

Posted by: monk811 | January 6, 2011 12:01 PM | Report abuse

4th, sween- You guys got any playoff pick'em or O/U going? Didn't win CoffeeFlats this year, so I need to redeem myself...

Posted by: 4-12 | January 6, 2011 12:01 PM | Report abuse

It's kool. We'll find out in the playoffs, cuz I'm sure the Colts will win (And cover -2.5/over @Sween).

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2011 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Enjoy the winnings.

Might be Tryon's best chance to make a play this year.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 6, 2011 12:06 PM | Report abuse

4th is crazy and knows nothing about football (and got lucky a couple few times against the spreads ... but he totally knows nothing about over/under).

Posted by: dcsween

Didn't best you in the over/under?

I should have won ROY, and it all came down to the last claim. 2ndPlace, but no $$ earned.

Posted by: 4thFloor

Oh yeah thanks a ton guys for quitting my pool and then not inviting me to yours. At least i got to continue my fantasy humiliation of 4th, Zeke and the rest of f-tarts in RI Fantasy league.

Championship 2X!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2011 12:06 PM | Report abuse

then we would have made the virtual playoffs for sure!

Posted by: monk811 | January 6, 2011 12:01 PM

And as long as their virtual game didn't go up against the ravens...I'd be able to watch it!

Posted by: PlayAction | January 6, 2011 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: will_ga | January 6, 2011 11:45 AM | Report abuse

It happens every year. Last year at this time they were giving us Clausen at #4 overall.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 6, 2011 12:10 PM | Report abuse

^^^It's still the same pool we were in for the season...they have playoff action...another chance to recoup my $210 entry fee!

I'll forward you the link when the moderator starts talking about next year,,,

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2011 12:14 PM | Report abuse

I can see a scenario where the Titans get McNabb & Haynesworth, and we get Vince Young.

Seems like it would benefit everyone involved.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 6, 2011 12:18 PM | Report abuse

alan, how would getting vy benefit the redskins....emotionally disabled, and immature, is not exactly what they're looking for in a qb...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 6, 2011 12:21 PM | Report abuse

SAY IT WITH ME:


NO

VINCE

YOUNG!

Forget the God-given abilities. Those will allow you to win on their own in high school and college.

You have to be bright, very bright, just to even play QB at the pro level let alone excel.

VY, to put it bluntly, is dumber than a box of cat turds. The guy can barely write his name. Say what you want about the Wonderlic, Young scored (I think) the lowest score ever recorded.

If we are to swallow the changes that are taking place here, a guy and a player like Yong has no place on this team or within the Redskins' organization.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 6, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Greg,
Jay Cutler fits that description pretty well, too, and we know how Snyder and Shanahan feel about him...

Posted by: Alan4 | January 6, 2011 12:24 PM | Report abuse

CL & 4-12,

I sent it to both of you. You better check your email around August. But emailed it to you def chris LARRY and I think to 4-12 as well. So don't cry me a river over here....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2011 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah thanks a ton guys for quitting my pool and then not inviting me to yours...........

Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2011 12:06 PM

I sent it to you, etrod, a zecest on 08/23/10. But I didn't send it to 4-12.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2011 12:28 PM | Report abuse

...VY, to put it bluntly, is dumber than a box of cat turds....

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 6, 2011 12:22 PM


They used to say the same thing about Terry Bradshaw. Football isn't rocket science.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 6, 2011 12:29 PM | Report abuse

They used to say the same thing about Terry Bradshaw.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 6, 2011 12:29 PM

All the players were stupid back in the day.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 6, 2011 12:33 PM | Report abuse

VY for MCNabb and Haynesworth straight up.

Pencil it in!

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2011 12:37 PM | Report abuse

But I didn't send it to 4-12.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2011 12:28 PM

Scaredy Cat Bama...

Posted by: 4-12 | January 6, 2011 12:41 PM | Report abuse

OK, I've seen several comparison between the 2009 and 2010 Redskins up here recently.

In the words of Seth Myers: Really?

The 2009 Redskins melted down into an abysmal heap of stinking failure. DEBACLE '09®. Coached by the most inept coach we've ever had, bearing the full force brunt of the mistakes made by the worst personnel guy we've ever had.

Compare away (and yeah, I'll probably do it), but at least realize its like saying Joan Rivers is an upgrade over Phyllis Diller.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2011 12:49 PM | Report abuse

...VY, to put it bluntly, is dumber than a box of cat turds....

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 6, 2011 12:22 PM


They used to say the same thing about Terry Bradshaw. Football isn't rocket science.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 6, 2011 12:29 PM |

They STILL say the same thing about TB. Trust me, the position has evolved and is full of more complexities than were present in a 1974 offensive scheme.

I find it telling that you'd poo-poo the need for a brain when playing QB in today's NFL.

Rocket science? Dude, you're over-simplifying. Yes I get that very few players on every roster in the NFL would be able to hold a job that required that level of thinking/intelligence but even still, look no further than LaVar Arrington. All JoePa ever told him, by his own words, were to "Go get the QB." Both Marvin Lewis and Greggggg Williams were seen as the better DC's in the league and neither one of them liked LaVar because he couldn't grasp an NFL defensive scheme. Becasue of this, he freelanced a lot and made a few plays but also cost us games.

I wouldn't hire VY to park cars.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 6, 2011 12:49 PM | Report abuse

But I didn't send it to 4-12.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2011 12:28 PM

Scaredy Cat Bama...

Posted by: 4-12 | January 6, 2011 12:41 PM

Not necessarily. You should know that there's a rumor circulating that you have "personal hygiene issues." I don't believe it myself, like most of the rumors up here. But some other people might believe. Just thought you should know.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 6, 2011 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Personal_Fowl,
I think BTGreg is on much sturdier ground questioning VY's emotional ability to handle to QB position, then you are questioning his intelligence to handle it.

VY has been in the league as long as Jay Cutler, and holds a 30-17 record over that period. He had a 98.6 QB rating in 2010, despite the complexities of modern football.

Whatever he lacks in intelligence, it's obviously not required for him to be successful at QB. The reason he's being let go is his immaturity.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 6, 2011 1:00 PM | Report abuse

What did they say in the video about our defense?

Let me guess...

We need to improve our personnel and get more players who fit the 3-4 scheme.

That about sum it up?

Posted by: p1funk | January 6, 2011 1:06 PM | Report abuse

It's time for my daily plug of Marcell Dareus. Dude is a beast!!!

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 6, 2011 1:09 PM | Report abuse

The good news for the team that takes VY, he'll come cheap and that team will have an out clause in whatever deal goes down.

If I had no QB and the right situation, I would take a risk on VY. Here in DC, I think the Shanahan system would be pretty good for him.

Shanny likes the east-west movement. The core of Shanny offense are the 1 cut, east-west run plays. A number of pass plays come off of play fakes where the runner heads west and the QB holds onto the ball and goes east. Usually there is no more than 1 guy to cover the backside (and sometimes none). VY would be very effective with that.

But ... while the scheme may be a good fit, the coach isn't.

DC isn't the right situation for VY.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2011 1:09 PM | Report abuse

My, LaVar, what a big watch you have. From the Flava Flav collection?

Posted by: freakzilla | January 6, 2011 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Personal_Fowl,
I think BTGreg is on much sturdier ground questioning VY's emotional ability to handle to QB position, then you are questioning his intelligence to handle it.

VY has been in the league as long as Jay Cutler, and holds a 30-17 record over that period. He had a 98.6 QB rating in 2010, despite the complexities of modern football.

Whatever he lacks in intelligence, it's obviously not required for him to be successful at QB. The reason he's being let go is his immaturity.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 6, 2011 1:00 PM |

So by your statement/rationale, you're suggesting that a prospective NFL QB logging the lowest Wonderlic score since the NFL instituted that test is still in possession of enough intelligence to excel at the QB position? I would also submit that his immaturity is part and parcel to his demonstrated and measured lack of intellect.

It's universally accepted that QB is the most difficult to grasp because the truly elite QB's HAVE to know all of the responsibilities of their skill players if not their line play as well.

I know why VY was let go. I stand by my opinion that a human being as flat-out retarded as VY should have no place on this team, especially in a Shannahan offensive scheme.

He's too much of a problem. Thanks for your hollow stats however.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 6, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse

"Go get the QB."

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 6, 2011 12:49 PM | Report abuse


Sounds like a frickin' plan to me.

We were tied for 4th worst in the NFL in sacks (29). Last year we had 40. But hey, it's not like we transitioned to a 3-4 with the idea of attacking/putting more pressure on the QB, eh?


Long live LaVar!

Posted by: p1funk | January 6, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse

2 Things:

Wasn't Tryon traded for a conditional pick? So him starting now and starting in the playoffs may actually pay better dividends for us. Pity that the Reid brain trust does not realize that this may be an important piece of the story to investigate.

Second...We are over a barrel on Haynesworth and we are not set at QB. I have no idea if Young is what Shanahan wants in a QB, but if our coach wants him in camp to find out what he can do and TEN will go VY for AH straight up, I say I'm fine with it.

Everyone in the league has said we'd be lucky to get a 5th for Al, so why not?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | January 6, 2011 1:12 PM | Report abuse

"Go get the QB."

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 6, 2011 12:49 PM | Report abuse


Sounds like a frickin' plan to me.

We were tied for 4th worst in the NFL in sacks (29). Last year we had 40. But hey, it's not like we transitioned to a 3-4 with the idea of attacking/putting more pressure on the QB, eh?


Long live LaVar!

Posted by: p1funk | January 6, 2011 1:11 PM |

You're right, that NEVER leads to dancing past a loser fullback on a 4th and 8 to go and light up the QB only to whiff and try to backtrack - AFTER said loser fullback makes his only catch of the year to ultimately wrap up the game and send the 'Skins to yet another loss against the Giants.

The blind love for DoveBar Eclairrington never ceases to amaze me.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 6, 2011 1:17 PM | Report abuse

al, yeah, if at his present maturity level he can't handle the pressure in Tenn. then there is no way he can handle the qb pressure in dc...thats just a bad match from jump street...he'd be flipping off the fans game 1...straight jacket by game 4...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 6, 2011 1:18 PM | Report abuse

So by your statement/rationale, you're suggesting that a prospective NFL QB logging the lowest Wonderlic score since the NFL instituted that test is still in possession of enough intelligence to excel at the QB position?

He's too much of a problem. Thanks for your hollow stats however.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 6, 2011 1:11 PM

No. If you read my posts, you'll see I'm saying that a proven NFL QB renders his combine metrics obsolete.

Isn't it ironic that you consider his RECENT and ACTUAL RECORD of work in the NFL "hollow stats", yet you cling like a pit bull to a combine "stat" that was recorded before he ever donned an NFL uniform?

Posted by: Alan4 | January 6, 2011 1:21 PM | Report abuse

No thanks on VY. Career completion percentage of 57.9% and only completed 59.6% of his passes this season. I don't think going from an inaccurate McNabb to an inaccurate VY is much of an upgrade. Throw in the fact that at the slightest hint of adversity he pouts like a 9 year old girl who did not get the present she wanted for Christmas and he seems like he might be a step back from what we had in 2010.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | January 6, 2011 1:21 PM | Report abuse

pf, how many years ago was that incident with lavar and the fullback?? let it go man....go take a drive in your german luxury sedan, sink into the rich corinthian leather, and relax....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 6, 2011 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Once again, I'm on my own, but I think LaVar does a pretty good job in these things. His comments about the comfort levels in the defense and subtle things like guys switching hands make a lot of sense.

I go back to Chris Doleman in his stint in SF. He was a beast pass rusher in Minn (and is 4th all time in sacks). SF tried to switch him from one side to the other. He was bad, all his instincts worked against him. Afte about 6 games, they switched him back to the side he was comfortable on and he was a beast. We saw some of the same with Jason Taylor.

I'll buy that a lot of players weren't instinctive in the 3-4, and that was a piece of the problem.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2011 1:28 PM | Report abuse

al, yeah, if at his present maturity level he can't handle the pressure in Tenn. then there is no way he can handle the qb pressure in dc...thats just a bad match from jump street...he'd be flipping off the fans game 1...straight jacket by game 4...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 6, 2011 1:18 PM

Can't argue with this. I can't imagine what market he'll get less pressure than in Tenn. DC has broken QBs with a lot more resolve than him.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 6, 2011 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Washington Redskins offseason: Transition to 3-4 defense should emulate Green Bay Packers


The packers 3-4 switch from a 4-3 worked because:

--nose tackle BJ Raji is a balla

--corner Charles Woodsen is a playmaker and solid cover corner

--a larger and more athletic inside linebacker is needed

--Clay Matthews is free in ways B Orakpo is not

--packer corners 'press' receivers in the 5-yard zone to disrupt the timing of opponents' offenses


The desire for a NT might be satisfied by A Bryant, but the skins still need a defensive tackle who can also play end.

I'd back up Bryant with Golston--send Kemo packing.

The 2nd rounder must be a defensive tackle-end, though Jeremy Jarmon played end the other day, and looked fine opposite Carriker.

I'd hang on to V Holliday and sent Daniels away.

Finally, the team must insure solid corner play--good 3-4 teams have one corner who can control half the field.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2011 1:29 PM | Report abuse

You're right, that NEVER leads to dancing past a loser fullback on a 4th and 8 to go and light up the QB only to whiff and try to backtrack - AFTER said loser fullback makes his only catch of the year to ultimately wrap up the game and send the 'Skins to yet another loss against the Giants.

The blind love for DoveBar Eclairrington never ceases to amaze me.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 6, 2011 1:17 PM | Report abuse


Love. Yes.

Blind. No.

Take LaVar's 3-year stretch from 2001-2003 when he was healthy and playing and put it up against any 3-year stretch for any LB in recent history and you'll see that LaVar holds up with any of them as one of the best premiere all-around LBs in the game.

He produced and played at a ProBowl level despite having a new D-coordinator every season.

Marvin Lewis? Big whoop. He rode the coat-tails of that great group of Bmore players. Except for 2009, his Cincy defense has consistently been in the bottom half of the league in pts allowed.

Gregg Williams? Whatever. He was currying favor with Dan Snyder by benching LaVar.

But in typical RI fashion, go ahead with your hate.

Take the team's outstanding players - the guys who have repped for the B&G - find their warts and pi$$ all over them.

You fit right in.

Posted by: p1funk | January 6, 2011 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it ironic that you consider his RECENT and ACTUAL RECORD of work in the NFL "hollow stats", yet you cling like a pit bull to a combine "stat" that was recorded before he ever donned an NFL uniform?

Posted by: Alan4 | January 6, 2011 1:21 PM |

A test prescribed to measure intellect and probability of success in a given situation is far from a "stat".

Dude is a loser and an idiot - but we should expect that he has just as much a chance as anyone to be a successful NFL QB.

Let's see you go give the guy millions a year based on that "irrelevant" info.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 6, 2011 1:31 PM | Report abuse

If Donovan could not grasp the 2-minute offense, Vince Young doesn't stand a chance.

He would commit suicide in Washington anyway. He would have to be institutionalized because of the fans and media.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 6, 2011 1:32 PM | Report abuse

What is Tony Dungy's mentoring schedule like these days?

If I were VY's agent I'd line him up and do some image repair.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 6, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

PAskinsfan17

It's time for my daily plug of Marcell Dareus.


I like Dareus, Powe, Fairley, Clayburn, and the kid Heyward from Ohio State is a very athletic defenisve end.

A nose tackle, defensive end or tackle or a kid who can play both should be high on our list.



Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2011 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Young is not coming here. We'd take Steve before Vince.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 6, 2011 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2011 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, a guy that can play end and nose in a 3-4...

How about a 6-4 306 pound monster from the great state of Alabama!!!

Marcell Dareus in round 1 and Pat Devlin in round 2!!!

Book it!!

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 6, 2011 1:37 PM | Report abuse

pf, how many years ago was that incident with lavar and the fullback?? let it go man....go take a drive in your german luxury sedan, sink into the rich corinthian leather, and relax....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 6, 2011 1:22 PM |

It's more than let go. But, it's more than a valid comparison relative to my point about the need for a higher level of intelligence than these guys possess.

That's all. Split all the hairs you want.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 6, 2011 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Personal_Fowl

You call a guy who won 30 games and lost 17 a loser. It would seem that you would score a 2 on that test. You should change your name to dumb as*

Posted by: jm220 | January 6, 2011 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Oline vs any other position rnd 1....

Offense needs 4 lineman, D needs DE, OLB, NT(depending on ABryant)

My dream scenario, which clearly means it won't happen

Cbs- champ bailey, d hall, buchanon, (rogers will want too much cash that he's not worth, he walks and we get a compensatory pic)

Safties- Barnes n Landry

Lbs- FA or Rookie, Riley, Fletch, Orakpo

Dline- Carriker, Bryant, FA pickup

Oline- TW, Pouncey (Got him as our top pick) Kalil ( I doubt we can get
him away from his current team but Pouncey could be there at C) RG is Wisenewski the 2nd rnd pick then Jamal brown healthy with a yr at RT under his belt for the first time in ever.

Rb- torrain, williams, Portis will be cut unless he takes a major pay cut, unlikely

Fb sellers for another yr

Wr- Sid Rice/ VJax whomever is willing to come here, Moss in the slot, Armstrong, Austin, Banks

Qb- here's the icing on the cake, Dmac n Grossman! I wanna see what Dmac can do if healthy another yr to learn the O n a lot of new help. If they fail next yr then just cut donny n grossman then grab the top qb available with weapons in place

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 6, 2011 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Personal_Fowl,

I could be swayed either way on VY. He's young, so he should get better... but I'm not a fan.

My main point to you is the Wonderlic is just one test. Nothing more, nothing less.

If you did poorly on the SAT but go on to get a college degree, no reasonable person is going to put much stock in your SAT score when you apply to grad school or look for work.

Furthermore, if you work for awhile and do a good job, most reasonable employers aren't going to care any more about your college grades when you look for your next job.

I feel the same about the Wonderlic. If you bring it up now, you might as well be quoting me his SAT score. The Wonderlic was a concern for him in 2005, but that time has passed. It's irrelevent now.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 6, 2011 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Wonderlic=BJ joke

HA!

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 6, 2011 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2011 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I haven't seen too much of Powe but I know a good bit about Adrian Claiborne. That dude is a beast. I heard chatter he may fall to the second round. I don't believe it but if he does we need to jump on that.

I think I saw on walterfootball or some where that they tried to make Powe a 3 technique rush end instead of a space eater and that's why he didn't have a great year.

What's the deal with this Bowers dude from Clemson? I see him all over the mock drafts but I've never seen him making plays.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 6, 2011 1:52 PM | Report abuse

alan

Just so your aware for future posts, the Wonderlic test actually tests a persons abilities to learn new things. Its not a test of what you know but more a test of if you can learn new things and adapt to different factors.

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 6, 2011 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I feel the same about the Wonderlic. If you bring it up now, you might as well be quoting me his SAT score. The Wonderlic was a concern for him in 2005, but that time has passed. It's irrelevent now.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 6, 2011 1:40 PM |

It's a test used to measure aptitude. You know what that means, right? Some problem solving as well.

It sounds to me like the results held true.

Yes, thank you very much, I know it's only one part of an evaluation but in this case, it's a GLARING score in the evaluation process.

F*ck VY and f*ck anyone who wants to tell me why this doosh is a player this team should consider.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 6, 2011 1:53 PM | Report abuse

alan

Just so your aware for future posts, the Wonderlic test actually tests a persons abilities to learn new things. Its not a test of what you know but more a test of if you can learn new things and adapt to different factors.

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 6, 2011 1:53 PM | Report abuse

PAt Delvin is a soon to be bust....

...I think it's just bammas thinking they have the next Flacco....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2011 1:54 PM | Report abuse

SAT = Scholastic Aptitide Test.

Aptitude tests are not perfect predictors of performance.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 6, 2011 1:57 PM | Report abuse

SAT = Scholastic Aptitide Test.

Aptitude tests are not perfect predictors or performance.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 6, 2011 1:57 PM | Report abuse

VY Scored a 6.

Ryan Fitzpatrik, possessing likely half of the ability of Young scored a perfect 50 in 9 minutes.

I repeat, VY scored a 6.

Yeah, let's go after him.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 6, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure who said we should go after VY but I don't think that's a good idea at all.

He would get fried here n his failed attempted suicide may have just gone through if he were in DC.

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 6, 2011 2:07 PM | Report abuse

No click count from me. I never watch or read anything Lavar.

Posted by: swolecat | January 6, 2011 4:40 PM | Report abuse

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