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Haynesworth studying right end position

Though Albert Haynesworth will miss Sunday's practices because he again skipped the morning conditioning test, he's still expected to work privately with coaches following both practice sessions. Using trash bins to simulate an offensive line, defensive coordinator Jim Haslett and Jacob Burney, the defensive line coach, have been instructing Haynesworth on technique, terminology and other nuances of the position that they eventually plan for him to play in Washington's new 3-4 scheme.

But here's the interesting part: In every side session with Haslett and Burney, Haynesworth has primarily worked at right defensive end - not nose tackle. And the potential to be Washington's starting right end, instead of regularly playing the nose, should provide enough motivation for Haynesworth to succeed at the test he must pass before Coach Mike Shanahan will permit him to participate in practice.

As Redskins fans are well aware, Haynesworth's decision to skip all but one day of Shanahan's first offseason program stemmed from, in large part, his reluctance to play nose tackle in the 3-4 defense. Throughout his career, the nine-year veteran has excelled at penetrating the backfield, and the primary function of a nose tackle is to occupy multiple blockers and allow others behind him to make plays.

Among the defensive line positions in a 3-4, the right end has the most freedom to maneuver, players say. That's why Haslett initially envisioned having Haynesworth often line up on the right side. (In the first few days of camp, Kedric Golston has been lined up as the right end with the first-team defense.)

Although Haynesworth was not as productive in his first season with Washington as he was with the Tennessee Titans during the 2007-08 seasons, in which he was selected all-pro, coaches has seen enough film of Haynesworth over the years to realize that, when motivated, he's capable of big things.

Maake Kemoeatu, who sat out the 2009 season because of an Achilles' injury, began camp atop the depth chart at the nose. Kemoeatu is the prototypical nose, and Shanahan and Haslett love his work ethic and overall approach.

Of course, that doesn't mean Haynesworth won't occasionally play nose tackle. He is expected to play there on third down as Haslett moves to put his best pass rushers on the field. That's why in some of the side drills, Haslett and Burney have also worked with Haynesworth in the middle of the trash bins.

Again, though, most of the teaching is occurring on the right side. Haynesworth, team sources say, is not pleased that he's the only player required to take the conditioning test. Then again, Haynesworth, according to the Redskins, was the only player who failed to participate in at least 50 percent of Shanahan's offseason workouts. Moreover, Haynesworth embarrassed Shanahan and General Manager Bruce Allen in not reporting to June's mandatory minicamp. While speaking at an event the before the minicamp, Allen assured people Haynesworth would attend. The Redskins, believing Haynesworth was coming back to Ashburn, even scheduled a physical for him at the complex.

Shanahan and Allen probably don't mind that Haynesworth has failed the test twice and expressed frustration. But things could turn out well for Haynesworth -- and the Redskins -- if Haynesworth continues to work hard, does what Shanahan mandates and finally passes the conditioning test.

Right end in a 3-4 is very similar to a three-technique tackle in a 4-3 - the position Haynesworth has played since college. Shanahan and Allen realize that Haynesworth can help the Redskins, which is among the reasons they did not trade him in the offseason. And owner Daniel Snyder already has paid Haynesworth $32 million in the first 17 months of his contract, so Snyder, presumably, would prefer for Haynesworth to contribute this season.

Haynesworth could be a force at right end under Haslett. But he must pass the conditioning test before he has a chance to try.

By Jason Reid  |  August 1, 2010; 9:00 AM ET
Categories:  3-4 defense , Albert Haynesworth , Jim Haslett  
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I don't mind if Albert gets a little frustrated before he passes. But let's not risk a knee injury in a non-contact drill before the season even starts.

Hold the next test in private, don't show anyone the stop watches, and say he passed no matter what the time is. Lesson learned. Get our best player out on the field.

Posted by: drischord | August 1, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

If he can beat a trash bin, he can probably beat Heyer.

I predicted he'd pass Sunday. Still think the next time he gets out there he'll get the OK. Love the "good cop/bad cop" that Shanny and Haslett are playing. He doesn't need to love Shanny, just respect him.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | August 1, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

If you think Fat Albert is milking this knee thing, say I....

Posted by: hbu_dog | August 1, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Fat Al isn't winning any fans over with his antics. He played abot 12 games last season, laid on the field like a beach whale, sucked up oxygen on the sidelines, and blasted the coaching staff in public. This year 99.9% of the team show up for off season workouts. Fat Al decides to ignore the entire team and do his own thing, and whines like a baby over the position. But guess what....he took the check. Suck it up big Al. You took the check dawg. Be a professional and help the team win some games.

Posted by: hbu_dog | August 1, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

his knee will be fine... it's just looks swollen because he lost pounds everywhere else:

http://www.kelleycom.com/blog/uploaded_images/ZW-047-Elton's-Knee-794369.JPG

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | August 1, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Is Shanny genious enough that this is his way to get AH's teammates and the fans to accept him? If he had just walked in on the first day of minicamp as if nothing was wrong, his teammates would resent him greatly. Now they are starting to feel sorry for him and the fans are to. This conditioning test was the only way to get Haynesworth humbled and ready to be a teammate this season. At least now on opening night Haynesworth won't be booed out of fedex field.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | August 1, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

For the people who are worried that AH is spending all of his time on the conditioning test and not learning the defense, it appears that Haslett and the d-line coach are spending alot of time with AH after practice trying to catch him up.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | August 1, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

"Hold the next test in private, don't show anyone the stop watches, and say he passed no matter what the time is. Lesson learned. Get our best player out on the field."

Sounds like a good plan to me and exactly what I envision. Time to get ready for dallas. Big Al and the training staff need to save the knees for the season and repeatedly doing shuttle runs is hard on a big man's knees.

Posted by: wireman65 | August 1, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I don't mind if Albert gets a little frustrated before he passes. But let's not risk a knee injury in a non-contact drill before the season even starts.

Hold the next test in private, don't show anyone the stop watches, and say he passed no matter what the time is. Lesson learned. Get our best player out on the field.

Posted by: drischord | August 1, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

I agree, drischord. I predicted shortly after JHaslett was hired as DC that AH would probably play more DE than NT. And now that Maake's foot is holding up, that makes more sense to use him where he will be most destructive.

Posted by: frediefritz | August 1, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

At Eastern Motors, motors! Your job's your credit, credit.

Posted by: hbu_dog | August 1, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

"Then again, Haynesworth, according to the Redskins, was the only player who failed to participate in at least 50 percent of Shanahan's offseason workouts."

Right. He participated in exactly zero workouts.

Posted by: Pepper5 | August 1, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

I agree with edavis291. Discipline has it's time and place, but consider the fans' perspective: We don't want to lose our best defensive player to a non-contact injury borne of the coach's own creation.

Get Haynesworth out on the field and learning our scheme. That's what we, the fans, need if we're going to have any sort of defensive success this year.

Posted by: drischord


Excuse me? You're blaming the coach for Haynesworth's injury?

Al never showed up for a single conditioning drill, and he gets hurt running back and forth, and that's Shanahan's fault?

Let's go back a couple of years. Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly showed up out of shape. Guess what? They got hurt too.

There's a correlation between conditioning and injuries.

You act like it's a great loss if Haynesworth is gone. It would be a loss. But NOT as big a loss if Shanahan lost his entire team because they had no respect for him. Discipline breeds respect.

You can't let one prima donna spoil it for everyone.

New England, among others has shown that Team comes first, not individual. And they haven't been 4-12 for a long time.

And Haynesworth, who never showed up to learn until camop started IS on the feld learning the defense. Most the time, it appears, he even had his own coach walking him through the assignments.

Posted by: TheCork | August 1, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

I don't mind if Albert gets a little frustrated before he passes. But let's not risk a knee injury in a non-contact drill before the season even starts.

Hold the next test in private, don't show anyone the stop watches, and say he passed no matter what the time is. Lesson learned. Get our best player out on the field.

Posted by: drischord | August 1, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

This is exactly the mentality that has caused us to be perennial losers...no accountability, and "wink-wink" private back door deals.

Albert Haynesworth is not the best player on this defense. London Fletcher is.

Having said that, I think Haynesworth makes this defense better, but not if he's gassed on the sidelines.

Posted by: rickyroge | August 1, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Moo, that's sick. MOL

Posted by: wireman65 | August 1, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone else think this is a distraction? To me it's s bummer because I'd like to see reporting about the whole team. Too bad he reported to camp. HaynesworthLESS

Posted by: maketapes | August 1, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Is Shanny genious enough that this is his way to get AH's teammates and the fans to accept him? If he had just walked in on the first day of minicamp as if nothing was wrong, his teammates would resent him greatly. Now they are starting to feel sorry for him and the fans are to. This conditioning test was the only way to get Haynesworth humbled and ready to be a teammate this season. At least now on opening night Haynesworth won't be booed out of fedex field.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | August 1, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Yep, well said. I think it's part of playing the "bad cop". Haslett is obviously the "good cop"- working with AH after practices, likely telling him privately that Shanny is being a hard a$$ to prove a point and maintain authority, that this is Alebrt's defense, you're still the best D-lineman in the league, et al, you can be as good as you wanna be if you buy in to my scheme, et al. I'm not saying this all went down swimmingly, but I do think Shanny is handling it correctly. Next time AH puts up a good effort, I think he passes and is welcomed back with open arms...OK, at least a little less coldly than he would've if he walked in and was practicing with the first team on Day One.

HAIL

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | August 1, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

"And owner Daniel Snyder already has paid Haynesworth $32 million in the first 17 months of his contract, so Snyder, presumably, would prefer for Haynesworth to contribute this season."

I know that its Snyders money but Shanny shouldnt care what the owner thinks...that has been the problem here for the last 10 yrs.

Posted by: kickass10101 | August 1, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse


Posted by: rickyroge | August 1, 2010 10:00 AM

Posted by: hessone | August 1, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Albert Haynesworth will play at least 40 snaps in Week One. At least one of them will be credited with a sack or forced fumble.

Posted by: dcsween | August 1, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

from redskins.com:

-- 9:40 a.m. ET
Competition At CB

DeAngelo Hall and Carlos Rogers appear to be locked in as the starting cornerbacks.

At nickel cornerback, there is a good competition going.

Given his eight years of NFL experience, Phillip Buchanon has to be considered the early favorite. But don’t count out Justin Tryon, who emerged as a solid defender for the Redskins last year.

Tryon leaped up to make an interception off Colt Brennan midway through Sunday’s practice.

He earned effusive praise from defensive backs coach Bob Slowik as he raced down the field on the return.

Tryon posted 30 tackles, one sack and one interception last year. His interception came off Donovan McNabb in Philadelphia.

Posted by: frediefritz | August 1, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse


Does anyone else think this is a distraction? To me it's s bummer because I'd like to see reporting about the whole team. Too bad he reported to camp. HaynesworthLESS

Posted by: maketapes | August 1, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

If it's a fan/media distraction, I'm loving it. Kick his a$$ some more, Shanny.

Posted by: Pepper5 | August 1, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Personally, I love the fact that the guys is having work his a$$ off just to be ALLOWED to practice now, he knows he's not the one pulling the strings doesn't he? I agree we need to see more on the rest of the team though, can't the Post get any real interviews? How about some of these youngsters? Anybody standing out yet?

Posted by: craig2 | August 1, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Do we know anything about who's going to return kicks?

Posted by: dcsween | August 1, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

"And the potential to be Washington's starting right end, instead of regularly playing the nose, **should provide enough motivation** for Haynesworth to succeed at the test he must pass..."

Who was the source of that statement? Or is this some closet editorializing?

I realize it's a blog, but honestly, I'd prefer the reporting blog entries to be, well, reporting.

Posted by: WorstSeat | August 1, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

This is getting really annoying that he FAILS period. This guys fails at to many things to get paid 100mil. He sucks, I don't care what his potential, how much he helps others excel, how big he is. All he has done is whine and complain and FAIL.

"Haynesworth, team sources say, is not pleased that he's the only player required to take the conditioning test." So what you were the only player who didn't show.

He is a lazy FAT F*ck who doesn't deserve to be considred one of the best in the game. He should just be dominating PERIOD. Albert You FAT F*CK...

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | August 1, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Another down side to all this is Haslett and Burney have to spend extra time with Fat Albert.... time that could be better spent working with the whole team. So the whole defense falls a little bit more behind because this slug needs extra attention.

Posted by: unquiltom | August 1, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Another down side to all this is Haslett and Burney have to spend extra time with Fat Albert.... time that could be better spent working with the whole team. So the whole defense falls a little bit more behind because this slug needs extra attention.

Posted by: unquiltom | August 1, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Well, they say this is beingdone after practice for maybe 30 min. But still hes the highest paid player, HE "ALBERT" should be the least of everyones concerns period, he should always be ready to go. I bet Payton Manning could play today and WIN. Not a perfect analogy but you know what I'm saying.

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | August 1, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Another down side to all this is Haslett and Burney have to spend extra time with Fat Albert.... time that could be better spent working with the whole team. So the whole defense falls a little bit more behind because this slug needs extra attention.

Posted by: unquiltom | August 1, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Well, they say this is being done after practice for maybe 30 min. But still hes the highest paid player, HE "ALBERT" should be the least of everyones concerns period, he should always be ready to go. I bet Payton Manning could play today and WIN. Not a perfect analogy but you know what I'm saying.

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | August 1, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Albert You FAT F*CK...

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | August 1, 2010 11:12 AM

Agree to disagree. There's always more to the story than it appears ... or less than it seems to be. That said, this all goes away before it makes a difference. Skins defense is going to dominate, except that the LBs remain a question mark.

Posted by: dcsween | August 1, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

This is exactly the mentality that has caused us to be perennial losers...no accountability, and "wink-wink" private back door deals.

Albert Haynesworth is not the best player on this defense. London Fletcher is.

Having said that, I think Haynesworth makes this defense better, but not if he's gassed on the sidelines.

Posted by: rickyroge | August 1, 2010 10:00 AM

With all due respect, Fletcher is the most dependable player on the team but he is not the best. He wouldn't garner a $100 million contract but Haynesworth did! You know of many 330+ pounders agile or athletic enough to play right defensive end? Put your hatred of AH aside for a moment to realize that he is a difference maker on this defense. If Shanahan knows what's good for him and the team, the timer for the conditioning drill will be instructed to push the start/stop button late/early. Get AH's a$$ on the field learning the position and regaining his teammates respect/trust. Shanahan has proven his point!!

Posted by: gtown85 | August 1, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

... I bet Payton Manning could play today and WIN. ...

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | August 1, 2010 11:21 AM

Manning is a strictly 2-technique D-lineman and would not fit into the Skins' scheme.

Posted by: dcsween | August 1, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

I should have read this post before I posted on another post. I don't even know the reason Shanahan is even involved in any of this. Doesn't he have a team to run? What is this whole thing with Shanahan and Haynesworth. Haynesworth embarrassed Allen and Shanahan at the same time? Thats a trick.I wonder how the players on the team feel about this.by The best thing Shanahan can do is distance himself from Haynesworth so that it doesn't appear that there is personal vendetta by Shanahan against one player. This is why its good for Shanahan to give Haynesworth over to Haslett. Let Haslett take care of Haynesworth. Haslett has alot more to win and lose with Haynesworth than Shanahan does. I really can't imagine that Snyder really appreciates all the negative media attention that is going on towards the NFLs highest paid defensive player. Maybe we should call the team Shanahans personal puppets. If I were Shanahan I would extricate myself from the Haynesworth debacle as fast as I can. He has a whole team of puppets to play with. Let Shanahan go play with his other puppets. The offense sucked last year so why doesn't he humiliate them for awhile. I realize that Shanahan is a pitiful, thin skinned multimillionaire, but surely even this I am so embarrassed man has to focus on turning a 4-12 team into a winner. Lets hope he does that this season with or without Haynesworth.

Posted by: firemetalrat | August 1, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

People are worried about Haynesworth getting injured running these 300 yard shuttles. Are you mad? Running 25 yards back and forth in shorts, or locking horns w/ a bunch of 300 pound ravenous animals competing for a roster spot, take your pick!

Posted by: randysbailin | August 1, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

... I bet Payton Manning could play today and WIN. ...

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | August 1, 2010 11:21 AM

Manning is a strictly 2-technique D-lineman and would not fit into the Skins' scheme.

Posted by: dcsween | August 1, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Dude! Peyton Manning is a QB. He is always focused and determined to be the best at his craft. My point is, he is always prepared. Albert Haynesworth is never prepared to be Albert Haynesworth who can dominate a defense. With this being said you can disagree with what you want sure, we all do. But get it straight and stop being arrogant. He is supposed to be dominant, not unable to complete a conditioning test, whining about his position, none off that, C'mon dude. Carry his jock strap would you.

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | August 1, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

From the Baltimore Sun this AM:

"Former Jets and Chiefs coach Herm Edwards, for one, predicted this type of mess a few weeks ago."

" Jeff Fisher is a smart football coach," Edwards said, referring to the coach who allowed Haynesworth to leave the Titans. "The Titans did not want Albert Haynesworth back. There's a reason for that."

"He dealt with this guy for so many years and said, 'You know what? Enough is enough. I'm tired of a guy who's a good player for about 10 games.' Doesn't play all 16 — hurt, something's going to happen, he's going to be disgruntled …"

"Edwards said it's easy to pile the blame on Haynesworth, but only if you ignored all of the buyer-beware warning signs."

"You get a choice: Do you want this guy?" he said. "Because when you pick him on your football team, that's the baggage he brings."

"We can get mad at the player all we want. But the problem is, when you keep paying the player for acting that way, and you don't do anything to make him understand that we don't operate that way, guess what? He thinks he's entitled to do it."

Posted by: Samson151 | August 1, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Jeff Fisher with Dan Patrick the other day:

"DPatrick: What happened to Albert Haynesworth's desire?

JFisher: It's hard to say. Albert had some productive years here. He had some difficulty early in his career adjusting. He did not make an adequate commitment to our offseason program early in his career. As he matured and came on and became a better teammate, he understood it, he had fun and he enjoyed working here. I can't comment on [what happened in Washington]. Only those that were a part of [the Redskins'] locker room or that organization know what happened last year. Certainly, he's off to a rough start this year."

Posted by: Samson151 | August 1, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Firemetalrat,

You show your biasness when you talk of Shannahan's appearance. Therefore, your comment is bias and not objective.

It is what it is. The head coach will be tied to everything that goes on with his team. Shannahan has done no wrong actions yet to have to apologize to Redskin Nation. Albert is just reaping what he has sowed.

I think if you've ever played on a highly competitive team, you will understand better what's going on here...

Posted by: redskinbo | August 1, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

" Jeff Fisher is a smart football coach," Edwards said, referring to the coach who allowed Haynesworth to leave the Titans. "The Titans did not want Albert Haynesworth back. There's a reason for that."

"He dealt with this guy for so many years and said, 'You know what? Enough is enough. I'm tired of a guy who's a good player for about 10 games.' Doesn't play all 16 — hurt, something's going to happen, he's going to be disgruntled …"


Posted by: Samson151 | August 1, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

and then along comes our hero, Dan Snyder, checkbook in hand....

Posted by: randysbailin | August 1, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

"With all due respect, Fletcher is the most dependable player on the team but he is not the best. He wouldn't garner a $100 million contract but Haynesworth did!"

I'm pretty sure the consensus around the League would be that the $100 million bucks was a mistake of epic proportions. So it's not much of an argument for Albert's greatness.

There's something to be said for dependability, especially over the course of a long season.

This still feels like a divorce situation to me. Maybe during that phase where it looked as if the couple might reconcile but probably not. As with a marriage, the friends have begun to take sides. Snyder's like the rich hubby who's hoping against hope to protect some of his cash; Albert's the trophy wife who's already got a lover on the side somewhere. Shanahan is the mean judge who won't give wifey the big monthly alimony payment.

Distraction? Not much of one. Seems to me the players have pretty much decided Albert is a big twit. If he comes back and helps them win, maybe they'll be grateful. Otherwise it looks to me like his teammates are mostly focusing on trying to protect their jobs or win his.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 1, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Y'all do know that DE's have to run sideline to sideline occasionally right? AH can't do a few shuttle runs after working out with his personal trainer to the chagrine of his coaches and teammates? I say let MS run him ragged and see what happens. AH will either man up and get in shape or he'll revert to a malcontent prima donna like Herm Edwards was alluding too.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | August 1, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

"I'm pretty sure the consensus around the League would be that the $100 million bucks was a mistake of epic proportions. So it's not much of an argument for Albert's greatness."

An epic mistake Tampa Bay was reportedly willing to make too. I don't think anyone has made an argument for "Albert's greatness".

I think it's fair to say the jury is split as to whether or not his "in limbo" status is a distraction. Players are being asked questions by the media about AH and Shanahan and his staff are still answering questions about him. On Fox 5 News Sports Extra last night, Haynesworth's situation was the lead story. Is the controversy/distraction purely media-driven? I doubt it.

Posted by: gtown85 | August 1, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

"An epic mistake Tampa Bay was reportedly willing to make too."

And you can bet the Glazers are thanking their lucky stars they didn't win that one -- if they even tried.

I imagine Albert's contract will serve as an object lesson around the NFL for a while, at least until some greedy impulsive bastard convinces himself that this time, because of his great good luck, things will turn out different.

Funny that the NBA's current object lesson in the dark side of overpayment -- the Gilbert Arenas contract -- is also a DC phenomenon.

Players are being asked questions by the media because any story with the name "Haynesworth" in the title draws more interest than any other. It helps if you think of the sports media as people who are paid to make the unimportant seem apocalyptic.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 1, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

@ randysbailin'
Nice quote, but the Titans are notorious cheapskates-they didn't re-sign any of their d-linemen before this year. They are currently in a needless stare down with their 2,000 yard rusher CJ. Bottom line-the Titans try to avoid paying anyone. Remember, this the same team that asked Steve McNair to constantly restructure and backload his contract-and then refused, absolutely refused to pay the man the 23 million they owed him, locking him out the bldg.

That's why I hate phony controversies-Herman Edwards is so like so many-trying to pile on AH so badly, that he's cherry-picking the facts.

IMO the better guy to quote is DL-Darnell Dockett-who as the other thread noted is the same age, playing the same position just as well while getting less.
I see him as the best AH heckler-there aren't too many snappy comebacks AH could make to DD.
Still, worn out with this storyline.

The linebackers, not AH are the most important part of this defense-I forgot we have Perry Riley of LSU on the team. He's a typical recent LSU linebacker/db- more muscular than lithe,but from what I remember from LSU games last year, Riley runs well and is active-he's around the ball alot. Sure would love to hear how the young LBs are progressing.
Guess I'll have to wait for TWISI-other than London Fletcher, linebackers don't exist to WaPo.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | August 1, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

You know what's ironic? This could actually turn out to be the first time Albert was ever in good shape during the preseason.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 1, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I am pretty much down with all that has gone on so far with Big Al's treatment. Everyone saves face here, but it's rapidly nearing the time where he is going to have to pass the "Test" and get back out on the field with the rest of his teammates. Can't let this become a bigger distraction then it is already ...

Posted by: EFitz1000aolcom | August 1, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

"That's why I hate phony controversies-Herman Edwards is so like so many-trying to pile on AH so badly, that he's cherry-picking the facts.posted by ArmchairGM"

Just curious, Arm -- what facts did he cherry-pick in that particular interview?

Posted by: Samson151 | August 1, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

I am pretty much down with all that has gone on so far with Big Al's treatment. Everyone saves face here, but it's rapidly nearing the time where he is going to have to pass the "Test" and get back out on the field with the rest of his teammates. Can't let this become a bigger distraction then it is already ...

Posted by: EFitz1000aolcom | August 1, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

I don't mind if Albert gets a little frustrated before he passes. But let's not risk a knee injury in a non-contact drill before the season even starts.

Hold the next test in private, don't show anyone the stop watches, and say he passed no matter what the time is. Lesson learned. Get our best player out on the field.

Posted by: drischord | August 1, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

i agree 100% AH is at the best playing weight of his career pass him already who knows he might even be able to play all three downs this season and if we really get lucky get 16 games out of the beast.

Posted by: ltpeach2 | August 1, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Players are being asked questions by the media because any story with the name "Haynesworth" in the title draws more interest than any other. It helps if you think of the sports media as people who are paid to make the unimportant seem apocalyptic.

Posted by: Samson151

Lol! I wouldn't be surprised if there are some grumblings in the locker room over this (one way or the other) though. My guess (and that's all it is) is that they'd rather see Haynesworth working hard WITH them instead of walking around with a baseball cap on. Haynesworth is the highest paid player on the team so there's nowhere for him to hide.

Posted by: gtown85 | August 1, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

"but the Titans are notorious cheapskates-they didn't re-sign any of their d-linemen before this year. They are currently in a needless stare down with their 2,000 yard rusher CJ. Bottom line-the Titans try to avoid paying anyone."

That argument would be more convincing if Albert had been seeking a more reasonable contract. Instead, he and his agent openly told suitors that he wanted $100 million deal. Hard to believe he ever thought Tennessee would pay it.

Washington should have choked on the prospect of paying that sort of money for a guy who plays about half the defensive snaps and has averaged only 11.8 starts per season over the previous six years.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 1, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

At Eastern Motors, motors! Your job's your credit, credit.

Posted by: hbu_dog | August 1, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I understand that Shanny and Bruce Allen have signed a contract to appear in an Eastern Motors Commercial.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | August 1, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Ok please post a poll:

Is making Fat Al pass a simple shuttle run test is Shanny being too hard on him and self-defeating for the team?


Results: YES - we need him - 2 votes (drischord and gtown)

NO - team discipline is the most important thing and allowing Fat Al to half-ass his way through training just means he's going to half-ass his way through the season - EVERYONE ELSE

Posted by: mac2j | August 1, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

"Posted by: mac2j | August 1, 2010 1:22 PM"

Go back to your 'rithmetic class. Your numbers aren't accurate for this thread alone.

Posted by: gtown85 | August 1, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

"... when motivated, he's capable of big things."

Are you kidding me? "When motivated"?! What, like if he could get 25% off his car insurance with Geico? How about: You have the physical gifts to have a career in the NFL?

Posted by: fan-o-matic | August 1, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

albert haynesworth is still out of shape, why would you want to play favorite when dude gets a knee injury running shuttles?

Posted by: BMACattack | August 1, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Only end he should be studying is the right end of the bench.

Posted by: Vic1 | August 1, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

@ Samson
Randy quoted Herm Edwards insinuating that Jeff Fisher didn't re-sign AH for "reason"-namely his attitude and dedication.

I pointed out that Titans built a young, sharp D-line and then didn't resign ANY of them not just AH. So that's cherry-picking to me.
Not resigning AH may not have had a thing to do with what Edwards believes-he did not quote Jeff Fisher, after all. Remember, the Titans accused the Redskins of tampering-they had planned on attmepting to re-sign AH and Snyder beat them to the punch.
So I give no credence to Edwards opinion, because that's what it is an opinion.

You're wrong on AH's salary demands. As the story goes Snyder, as is his won't, overbidded against himself-the Titans were offering a 70-odd million contract and Snyder threw out the 100 million dollar deal...with the obligatory RedskinsOne jet touchdown with the wining and dining and all that.

You just did what Herm Edwards did. There can be no negotiations before the start of any free agent period and Snyder called AH's agent at 12 midnight to start talks-so when did AH have the time to let suitors know his supposed demands-he didn't. That's why the Titans cried foul, remember-THEY barely had a chance to speak with him.

Also, while the tampering charge was probably a ploy to finangle a draft pick-but it also shows they weren't THAT unhappy with his perceived faults.

I feel sorry for Jeff Fisher-he's a fine developer of players, only to see them many of them walk out the door because Adams won't pay them beyond the 1st contract.

Let's see if I can remember that nice young d-line: Haynesworth, Odom, Laboy, Vandenbosch, oooh I'm missing two more linemen-they'll come to me shortly. It was six young D-Linemen. Only Vandenbosch re-signed. Fisher developed nearly all of them for other teams-Tragic.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | August 1, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

My bad it took so long to answer your post-I'm all over the Web today running my mouth (fingers?!?).

Posted by: ArmchairGM | August 1, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

albert haynesworth is still out of shape, why would you want to play favorite when dude gets a knee injury running shuttles?

Posted by: BMACattack

Knee injury? He has not been diagnosed to have any injury. Favorite? I don't know if you've noticed it or not, but NOBODY has had an easier training camp than Mr. Haynesworth up to this point. He's practically on vacation with this conditioning test crapola while everybody else is going through the rigors of training camp.

If you believe Shanahan's stance that football is too rigorous for him at this point then you have to concede that this "conditioning" is easier (it's all he can handle at this point, right?). He's had it easy and he continues to coast. Not good.

Posted by: gtown85 | August 1, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

@Samson
As to your last comment-you're absolutely correct-the Skins' should have choked at the prospect of paying for AH. When Snyder ran out-all pressed and signed AH-I was like, huh?why?
I've said this before AH was a luxury signing for a team that didn't have the luxury of signing him. We needed our O-line fixed badly and Snyder blows 100million on AH. We didn't NEED AH.

Many of you all are sour with AH and I'm sour with Snyder-he's the reason this joker is on the team.

Snyder let Deion Sanders get him for 8.5 million, Snyder signed Archuleta, Bowen, Coles, B.Smith to needlessly generous contracts.
Example-If you're making 20/hr at one company and you're about to get an 80 cent raise and some goofball recruiter/human resources mgr. at another company comes to you offering $9.34/hr more while taking you to dinner, treating your wife to the full works at a day spa and taking your kids to Kings Dominion-what are you going to do not take it?

What's more they're so pressed to have you, they don't even bother with a background check, calling your references or speaking to your current employer.

So who's fault is it when it turns out you have the work ethic of a stuffed animal?

Yours?
Maybe.
Or maybe the new employer should been more deliberate and did their homework.

I say it all the time Dan Snyder is the chief saboteur of the Washington Redskins.

Rare is the Redskins Coach that doesn't inherit a Snyder-made headache upon being hired.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | August 1, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

@G'town-What's up dude. I see you're on here battling as usual. Shanahan's ploy has had mixed results so far.
To me, the point was to made to AH with the 1st test namely,
Your big butt can do all the conditioning you want at home, but SEE-you are still not in "football shape". If Shanahan had stopped there, AH would have totally gotten the message w/o too much resentment.
But Shanahan didn't and now look where we are AGAIN, Haynesworth is on the sideline not getting any conditioning or practice.
As you say, not good.

Dan Snyder must step in here. He must put this smoldering fire out.
It's really unfair to Mike Shanahan-we all know he can handle Haynesworth-but should he have to?
Snyder can do his part as well.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | August 1, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

"To me, the point was to made to AH with the 1st test namely,
Your big butt can do all the conditioning you want at home, but SEE-you are still not in "football shape". If Shanahan had stopped there, AH would have totally gotten the message w/o too much resentment."

Good stuff, ArmchairGM! Little resentment if his teammates saw him subsequently being worked with the subs AND doing the extra conditioning stuff before/after practice. It's not like anybody is saying just put him in with the first team and call it a day. It's beyond ironic that now he's neither conditioning nor practicing.

If he passes that test tomorrow after two days of relative inactivity, the books were cooked, imo (as they should be in the interest of moving on). As stated earlier, the plot sickens.

Posted by: gtown85 | August 1, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

All of you who claim Haynesworth is our best defensive player don't know jack about football. He could be, but look how many times last year he had to be carted off the field because he was out of gas. Our best defensive player has to be well conditioned enough to play all four quarters at full speed, maybe overtime. Albert has shown so far that he's not even close to that. I can't disagree with anyone who mentioned Fletcher as our best.
The man is always prepared, a true professional.

Posted by: Sirius2 | August 1, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Nose tackle. Special teams. Water boy. Laundry. Equipment cleaner. Screw Fat Albert.

Posted by: KDSmallJr | August 1, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who thinks this will resolve the problems are kidding themselves

He will eventually cry like a girl about his new position and/or fake an injury a few games into the season

He will and always has been someone who MUST be annoyed at something

Posted by: Bious | August 1, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Guys, his knee is not injured. They're only saying it is to save him the embarrassment of failing the test again in consecutive days. They made their point, held him up to deserved ridicule, established coach as territorial alpha male and have given him a few days to get his legs so he can pass the test Monday or Tuesday. If Fat Al really had an injured knee, he wouldn't be doing any drills against human or bin.

Posted by: SammyT1 | August 1, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't he still have to pass the physical test to play DE??? I think that position requires more running. Does anybody think Fat Al can run any more than he already does? He'll have to take the oxygen out on the field to play.

What a waste!!!!

Posted by: doughboy96 | August 1, 2010 11:37 PM | Report abuse

i'd like to see many of the idiots who are posting about this topic complete this test. it is an especially ridiculous test for a 6'6" 300+ lbs man. albert made his point by not reporting to supposedly "non-mandatory" (we all know they are) work-outs and then asking to be traded after he heard some of the stuff coming from redskin park and now shanahan is making his point. the strength coach is also an idiot. of course albert's legs are going to tire. again we're talking about a 300+ pounder who has played many years in the nfl at a high level. would you run an 800 meter runner every day at his maximum capacity and then when he doesn't finish in the allotted time put him on the treadmill? if i were albert i'd screw with them and not make the test. who loses more? the redskins do without the big man in the middle. shanny's an idiot if he's not done with this by saturday's practice. it will be evident that it's all about him winning against albert and not the redskins winning in the regular season. stay tuned.

Posted by: morris_lacrette | August 2, 2010 1:23 AM | Report abuse

Hey, if they had thought of using trash bins last year Zorn and Campbell might still be here, along with Cartright, Betts, and Marko Mitchell.

That's why Shanny is the MAN and Zorn is a QB Coach again.

No level of improvisation to Zorn. Shanny comes in, sees our O Line is garbage, puts 2 and 2 together, and VOILA! Trash Bin O Line. If we fill em with sand, they'll be good for 4 wins without changing anything else.

I'm liking this new regime so far. I'm liking it a LOT.

Posted by: Thinker_ | August 2, 2010 6:57 AM | Report abuse

Fat Albert has 32 million reasons not to pass the test . he will get his dig in on the coaches and dosent care if he passes or not hes still getting paid.

Posted by: thomasuras | August 2, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Fat Albert is going to be tweeked and held back all preseason because PRESEASON DOESN'T COUNT. Its the never ending media parasites that keep inventing stories to generate reader interest about nothing of substance. The only thing that matters is game 1.

Posted by: outrbnksm | August 2, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: drischord

Comment of the day ....RIGHT ON

Hold the next one in private and say he passed no Matter what

Posted by: knepp023 | August 2, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

I hear the real problem is that Albert can't get by the trash bins.

Posted by: glynnjp1 | August 2, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

First, it only counts begining Sunday Sept. 12th at 8:20pm EST. Just like Farve, AH is saving himself for real football. He is to big and too prone to injury to screw it up before then.

Second..there is no second, other than second guessing (a fool's error).

Beat Dallas, then evaluate AH.

Posted by: changer2 | August 3, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

All the more importance to passing a conditioning test. I hope Albert didn't spend his whole off-season thinking he would only play nose.

Posted by: truthbeknown | August 4, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

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