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Horton says he's healing but still has difficulty with changing direction


Redskins safety Chris Horton missed half of the 2009 season with a toe ligament injury. He recently said though his recovery is progressing, he still has some difficulty moving laterally.

Horton, who played in eight games with five starts before the team placed him on the injured-reserve list in November, said he was able to run straight ahead at full speed but has had difficulty keeping up with wide receivers because of his inability to change directions.

"I'm getting there," said Horton, who's preparing for his third season. "It's a slow process, but I'm getting there. I'm a lot better than where I've been. Just taking it slow, just try to get better every day."

During the team's first minicamp, Horton was held out of practices. As the roster currently stands, he'll again find himself battling Reed Doughty for playing time during training camp.

By Mark Viera  |  May 1, 2010; 10:00 AM ET
Categories:  3-4 defense  
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Comments

Not trying to be first, just the best.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 1, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Not trying to be first, just the best.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 1, 2010 10:09 AM

But this time you did both.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 1, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

"As the roster currently stands, he'll again find himself battling Reed Doughty for playing time during training camp."

We complained about a lot of Vinny Cerrato's bad personnel decisions.

But we should acknowledge the one area where he seemed to be very good: he found in Holmes, Horton, Moore, and Doughty solid low-round drafted/undrfated safeties.

He brought us no linemen.

He did bring in some decent men to be the final line of defense.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 1, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Doughty SUCKS

Horton SUCKED last year

Holmes WHO?

Moore got TOASTED by Chargers backups

Posted by: ATLredskin | May 1, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Cerrato wasn't all bad, even Jeffrey Dahmer had his moments (the body part shrine in his bedroom was quite the creative expression), but its a shame to hear Horton's toe is still not healed..He definitely was a steal in the 7th..Perhaps Mr. Sharper wouldn't be such a bad investment after all...

Posted by: frak | May 1, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

He did bring in some decent men to be the final line of defense.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 1, 2010 10:14 AM

Agree. It could be argued these guys had better results than two of our celebrated 1st rounders, Los & Leron.

Posted by: bones21 | May 1, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Not sure that Blache's soft zone was a suitable defense for the entire defensive backfield the past couple of horrific years..Los is a man to man corner, and Landry is definitely an SS..With the weapons our NFC East opponents now have, a FS with deep cover skills is vital..

Posted by: frak | May 1, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

...Moore got TOASTED by Chargers backups

Posted by: ATLredskin | May 1, 2010 10:18 AM

New coaches, new defense and while there will be an adjustment period, perhaps Haslett and his staff can put the right people in the right positions to help get the most out of who we have for now.

Posted by: will_ga | May 1, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

"...Moore got TOASTED by Chargers backups.."

That had more to due with the quality of the San Diego Chargers as a team than any issues related to K Moore.

The chargers are a top 5 AFC team replete with depth: heck, in that game you reference, they played back ups all over the place who stood out as fine players.

But in all, when you take out Landry's coverage issues, our safety play isn't that bad.

Now, as for our cornerbacks, though......

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 1, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I loves me some Chris Horton. Hope he's not too messed up w/ the toe thing.

Sharper's still out there.

Posted by: bostskin | May 1, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Moe,

toast be toast whether it has jam or just butter on it

get toasted by 1st string means you may not be ready for prime time

toasted by backups may mean you belong in the Arena League

Posted by: noonefromtampa | May 1, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I haven't even heard an unsubstantiated rumor that the Skins are even remotely looking into Sharper as an option.

Anybody know anything?

(maybe that means it's already in the works and they'll spring it on us once the deal is done. Surprise!!!)

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | May 1, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

really like Horton, but not convinced he or anyone else on this team is what we want at FS. maybe Haslett can come up with some schemes to cover that weakness.

even though we're close to the limit for camp, there is plenty of time to cut expendable players during OTAs... given the depth of competition elsewhere, FS would seem to be a good spot for a pick-up somewhere.

and I don't think Sharper is the answer, either... although stranger things have happened around here.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 1, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Guys who supposedly may be released before OTAs based on their cap status:

Jamarcus Russell, QB, Oakland
Randall Gay, CB, New Orleans
Deion Branch WR, Seattle
Mike Lewis, S, San Francisco

Guys who should be released but probably won't:
Roy Williams, WR, Dallas

Posted by: Samson151 | May 1, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I haven't even heard an unsubstantiated rumor that the Skins are even remotely looking into Sharper as an option.

Anybody know anything?

(maybe that means it's already in the works and they'll spring it on us once the deal is done. Surprise!!!)

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | May 1, 2010 12:34 PM
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Sharper is coming to DC. There. Now, could you unsubstantiate it for me?

Actually, with what seems like a fondness for older guys with experience, I would not put it past this defensive coordinator and Shanahan to sign Sharper. Maybe he'd a be a good influence on Landry. Then again, maybe moving Carlos Rogers to free safety would be a better idea. The young corners are going to press for playing time so why not make a move?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 1, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

The cowpatties are laughing on their blogs about the predictions that D.Hall made! I sure hope those laugh`s turn to tears this year!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | May 1, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I think Horton will be able to it as well. Moore showed that ability at times last year.

Posted by: TWISI | May 1, 2010 8:49 AM
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Dude, are you serious? The very thought of Doughty back in coverage makes me cringe. I've known of two times when he was beaten deep and took the pass interference call rather than letting the guy score one. Blache realized the guy's deficiencies and didn't put him back in coverage very often. Horton, who was just a little more gifted atheletically came in and did well right away when Doughty got injured two years ago, but that was only because he was plugged into the same, limited role that Doughty had. Take my word for it: both need a lot of work on coverage and I am not so sure they will ever be full time safeties in Haslett's defense.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 1, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Starting free safety for the Redkins in 2010?

Sid Paddlebean

Book it.

Posted by: TheCork | May 1, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 1, 2010 1:19 PM

Despite his hands CR22 is a good press corner. You dont take him out of that role to get the young guys some playing time. You put the best group out there. It seems to me they have two viable options.

1. See what Moore has.
2. Go get Atogwe, has played for Haslett before so there will not be a huge learning curve, even though Haslett was running a 4-3 in St. Louis.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | May 1, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 1, 2010 1:19 PM

Despite his hands CR22 is a good press corner. You dont take him out of that role to get the young guys some playing time. You put the best group out there. It seems to me they have two viable options.

1. See what Moore has.
2. Go get Atogwe, has played for Haslett before so there will not be a huge learning curve, even though Haslett was running a 4-3 in St. Louis.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | May 1, 2010 1:37 PM
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I think Moore should get his chance, but I am all for moving Rogers to free safety. My point is the depth at corner - as far as coverage skills - is better than at safety so, in an effort to get your four best guys in coverage on the field at the same time, you put Rogers in at free safety and let Barnes/Tryon/Buchanon fight it out for the second corner position.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 1, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

I beleive Horton if fully healed, and LL and the rest of the defensive players will be put in position to maximize their skill set. Of course that was something the last coaching regime didn't appear to have sense to do.

I beleive these people actually know what they are doing. Can't wait to see the end results!!

Posted by: 72Redskins | May 1, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I think Moore should get his chance, but I am all for moving Rogers to free safety. My point is the depth at corner - as far as coverage skills - is better than at safety so, in an effort to get your four best guys in coverage on the field at the same time, you put Rogers in at free safety and let Barnes/Tryon/Buchanon fight it out for the second corner position.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 1, 2010 1:44 PM
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Let me just add that trading Doughty makes sense. He has market value based on his season last year and he was Greg Williams' pet project. He'd love to have him in New Orleans. Now, maybe you hang onto him for awhile until you are sure Horton has healed, but I think it would be a wise move to trade a safety that doesn't really fit for a player that might offer a better fit.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 1, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

The cowpatties are laughing on their blogs about the predictions that D.Hall made! I sure hope those laugh`s turn to tears this year!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | May 1, 2010 1:28 PM

Got a link? You piqued my curiosity about what Hall predicted. Thanks.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | May 1, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

RedSkinHead you do realize that you're basing your conclusions based primary on a man defense (single high safety) and extrapolating to on where it will be primarily a zone defense. In addition the Doughty situation you were referencing was two/three years ago. Players do evolve. Take a look at 2009 games, and the safety that was in position to make make plays more often than not was Doughty. Do I want Doughty playing single high? No. Can both he and Horton play two deep and have LL playing a rover position closer to the LOS. Absolutely.

Posted by: TWISI | May 1, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Blache's defense was soft and in my opinion outdated. NFL offenses pass more, and you have to be aggressive and attack, otherwise you'll lose a lot of leads, lose games in the fourth quarter, and wind up with a 4-12 record.

Also, I predict a much improved Laron Landry.

Posted by: 72Redskins | May 1, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Blache's defense was soft and in my opinion outdated. NFL offenses pass more, and you have to be aggressive and attack, otherwise you'll lose a lot of leads, lose games in the fourth quarter, and wind up with a 4-12 record.

Also, I predict a much improved Laron Landry.

Posted by: 72Redskins | May 1, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Ummm Blache's defense is out dated??? His defense is Greg williams defense...he is a long time asst. under Greg and runs the same system... Greg williams has been running that same system with the saints....i'd say they did pretty well last year....outdated defense I think not...

Posted by: leevi98 | May 1, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

DeAngelo Hall predicts 'Skins dominate NFC East:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/04/deangelo_hall_says_skins_will.html

As for Blache's defense, it most certainly is NOT Grwilliams's D. It's to that defense what Zorn's west coast is to Shanahan's. Both sides of the ball our schemes were watered down last year. Look at tape between how aggressive the Saints were and how docile we were. It was the same scheme minus ANY blitzing. I can't recall the last time a Skins D blitzed.

Posted by: Keiser | May 1, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Blache's defense was a VERY conservative VERSION of GW's defense. Blache put his stamp on it, was conservative, and as I said in my opinion, conservative is outdated as the way to defend in today's NFL, I think so....

Posted by: 72Redskins | May 1, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

RedSkinHead you do realize that you're basing your conclusions based primary on a man defense (single high safety) and extrapolating to on where it will be primarily a zone defense. In addition the Doughty situation you were referencing was two/three years ago. Players do evolve. Take a look at 2009 games, and the safety that was in position to make make plays more often than not was Doughty. Do I want Doughty playing single high? No. Can both he and Horton play two deep and have LL playing a rover position closer to the LOS. Absolutely.

Posted by: TWISI | May 1, 2010 1:52 PM
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Doughty was in position playing close to the line of scrimmage. He was usually unblocked - the extra man - and while he was making those great plays at the LOS, the secondary was getting torched. You put him deep, you get problems.

BTW, two deep safeties and a safety up close is the Cobra defense Blache ran. That's not an every down defense and I doubt Haslett will run it at all. If you are saying you are going to put Horton or Doughty over the top, I say you are asking for raining footballs.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 1, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | May 1, 2010 2:22 PM

We did not run the same defense as the Saints last year. People forget before Blache was our dline coach he was the d coordinator for the Bears. There were some similarities between the defenses they run but you never saw our corners blitz and you never saw Sharper or Harper 20 yards deep in the secondary. The defense may have not been outdated but it was definitely ineffective, at least when it counted.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | May 1, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 1, 2010 2:36 PM

Actually Haslett intends to what amounts to the cobra defense a bunch per numerous posts on 106.7 the Fan DC. If you recall last year after LL got burned once to often playing FS, Doughty took over those responsibilities. IMO he was solid if not spectacular do that job. He or Horton will be responsible for one hash out to the sideline in two or three deep and be fine. They have enough skills to handle those responsibilities.

Posted by: TWISI | May 1, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

We did not run the same defense as the Saints last year. People forget before Blache was our dline coach he was the d coordinator for the Bears. There were some similarities between the defenses they run but you never saw our corners blitz and you never saw Sharper or Harper 20 yards deep in the secondary. The defense may have not been outdated but it was definitely ineffective, at least when it counted.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | May 1, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

That is not correct...he was the D cord for the bears but Looks as if people also have forgotten he was ALSO under greg williams before being with the bears. Why do you think there was such a stink between them when greg didnt get the HC job and Blache accepted the D cord. position.

Posted by: leevi98 | May 1, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Blache's defense was a VERY conservative VERSION of GW's defense. Blache put his stamp on it, was conservative, and as I said in my opinion, conservative is outdated as the way to defend in today's NFL, I think so....

Posted by: 72Redskins | May 1, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Still disagree with your opinion the d was outdated...For a defense that is out dated they played pretty damn well considering they had no offense and was on the field the whole game. plus adding turnovers that would have them right back out defending the rezone. Out dated...nope don't see that.

Posted by: leevi98 | May 1, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

The defense may have not been outdated but it was definitely ineffective, at least when it counted.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | May 1, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

that is a really hard judgement about a defense that had no offense and was on the field the entire game with the offense turning the ball over and going 1 2 3 and out so much....in fact I'd say they were awesome to be able to still be good without any offense to sustain drives and give them some rest...

Posted by: leevi98 | May 1, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm with leevi, in that I don't think the D was outdated... as frak noted, they played soft in the secondary, but this seemed to be Blache doing what he could with the personnel on hand. all things considered, they did pretty well.

having said that, I'm a little worried about what will happen this year, given that Haslett is transitioning to a new scheme (hybrid 3-4 or whatever) with several question marks (cf. AH, free safety). hope he finds the right guys and doesn't force things too much.

Zorn's O was from a different part of the space-time continuum altogether. didn't help the D much, regardless.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 1, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Changing sides of the ball for a minute, anybody heard of any 'Skins interest in Alan Faneca? Strange that the Jets would let him go - unless maybe a bonus was coming due, or they thought he was at the end of the line. Got to think he would be an upgrade at RG over Big Mike. He's prolly looking for veteran money, too. Just a thought...

Posted by: LeeM9308 | May 1, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Faneca signed with Arizona already for one year @ $2.5 million.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 1, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm with leevi, in that I don't think the D was outdated... as frak noted, they played soft in the secondary, but this seemed to be Blache doing what he could with the personnel on hand. all things considered, they did pretty well.

They did well considering how p*ss poor the offense was, but this is a quarterback-driven league, and the engine must be attacked, as in the blitz..The Eagles are just b*lls-to-the wall blitzers, and its worked okay for them (though no NFL championships)..That Blache defense was good if you had a lead, but we never did, so it was the wrong formula...(cracks open a Chelada- The Right Formula!!)..

Posted by: frak | May 1, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Changing sides of the ball for a minute, anybody heard of any 'Skins interest in Alan Faneca? Strange that the Jets would let him go - unless maybe a bonus was coming due, or they thought he was at the end of the line. Got to think he would be an upgrade at RG over Big Mike. He's prolly looking for veteran money, too. Just a thought...

Posted by: LeeM9308 | May 1, 2010 4:02 PM
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good to see the diehards keeping up to date on the FA signings

NOT!

Posted by: noonefromtampa | May 1, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

The Top Three Draftees Who Might Have Folks Eating Crow:

Tim Tebow

Dez Bryant

Jimmy Clausen

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 1, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Faneca's in in AZ, but Deuce Lutui is not happy. hasn't signed his tender and wants a new contract.

not out of the realm of possibility for him to end up here. need T's more, but still...

Posted by: terrapin3 | May 1, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 1, 2010 2:36 PM

Actually Haslett intends to what amounts to the cobra defense a bunch per numerous posts on 106.7 the Fan DC. If you recall last year after LL got burned once to often playing FS, Doughty took over those responsibilities. IMO he was solid if not spectacular do that job. He or Horton will be responsible for one hash out to the sideline in two or three deep and be fine. They have enough skills to handle those responsibilities.

Posted by: TWISI | May 1, 2010 2:44 PM
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I had not heard this about Haslett. Please explain "what amounts to...". Is he saying he will run nickel or he will, for sure, run a three-safety defense? And again, there's no way you expose either Doughty or Horton to deep coverage. They are LOS strong safeties. I understand two deep, but not with these guys. If Haslett is going to play press coverage with his corners, he is going to need safeties that can play deep. Neither Horton nor Doughty can do it.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 1, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

The defense may have not been outdated but it was definitely ineffective, at least when it counted.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | May 1, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse
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It was #10 defense in NFL, best on 4th down. Only bad thing was the lack of turnovers, sloppy play on double moves.

The lousy offense prevented the defense from being a top 5 defense, by not giving it more rest. It was on the field way too much in 4th quarter.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | May 1, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frak | May 1, 2010 4:55 PM

taps my homemade chelada to yours and imbibes.

unfortunately, heavy blitzing requires a solid backfield, including a full complement of safeties.

and frak, I love you... but what part of the space-time continuum are you from?

still searching...

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/c/c0/Space_cow.jpg

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 1, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

I think the D had 17 turnovers lowest in the league

Posted by: noonefromtampa | May 1, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

I'm with leevi, in that I don't think the D was outdated... as frak noted, they played soft in the secondary, but this seemed to be Blache doing what he could with the personnel on hand. all things considered, they did pretty well.

They did well considering how p*ss poor the offense was, but this is a quarterback-driven league, and the engine must be attacked, as in the blitz..The Eagles are just b*lls-to-the wall blitzers, and its worked okay for them (though no NFL championships)..That Blache defense was good if you had a lead, but we never did, so it was the wrong formula...(cracks open a Chelada- The Right Formula!!)..

Posted by: frak | May 1, 2010 4:55 PM
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Frak, I find it amazing that I agree with you since most of the time I can't even understand what you are saying, but yes, I think you have Blache's defense pinned down. I would add that Blache was a stickler for everyone sticking to their assignment and he had a little free-lancing going on with big Al, which ultimately forced others to free lance since they no longer trusted what the big guy was going to do.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 1, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: noonefromtampa | May 1, 2010 5:16 PM

If they were an elite defense they would have got the job done. They lost fourth quarter leads to the Saints, Panthers, Eagles, Chargers and the Cowboys. That they were on the field too much stuff is crap. The offense could have been better but they didnt create turnovers which helps the offense. Like I said before the defense was good except when it mattered.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | May 1, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

"Drill, baby, drill!!!"


It's my understanding they've fired the guy who wrote that line.

And in the Gulf States, his face appears on WANTED posters in every post office.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 1, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

If they were an elite defense they would have got the job done. They lost fourth quarter leads to the Saints, Panthers, Eagles, Chargers and the Cowboys. That they were on the field too much stuff is crap. The offense could have been better but they didnt create turnovers which helps the offense. Like I said before the defense was good except when it mattered.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | May 1, 2010 5:23 PM

wasn't much of this related to big plays given up in the backfield?

and was that mainly personnel or coaching?

obviously it's a team effort from top-to-bottom, but the question seems to be whether we have the right guys on D who were coached wrong last year.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 1, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

"...I don't think the D was outdated..."

No, the redskins' defense wasn't outdated during Blache's tenure.

But it's application surely was.

Every weekend, the same front seven lined up in the same front with little blitzing, stunting, or attacking.

The belief seemed to be that the scheme itself was better than anyone singular player.

And that's what is an outdated concept.

That was Prince Al's beef.

Get your most athletic and dynamic players in position to make plays rather than depending on the philosophies of a scheme, and you'll see turnovers, sacks, and pressures.

And the occasional INT returned for a touchdown.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 1, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

it's like both. i think most agree Blache's schemes last year weren't putting anybody in the best position to make plays.

and then i flash back to the Carolina game, and Hall's subpar tackling efforts in the fourth quarter. man, it wasn't even the play where he got dragged by Delhomme, it was the 3rd down before that where he whiffed and half-a**ed on a perfect shot to stop the RB short.

both scheme and tackling should be improved this year under Shanny and Haslett. so basically i'm co-signing on what Moe just said.

Posted by: terrapin3 | May 1, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

"Drill, baby, drill!!!"

It's my understanding they've fired the guy who wrote that line.

And in the Gulf States, his face appears on WANTED posters in every post office.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 1, 2010 5:27 PM
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They should just have the Navy fire a big torpedo at the base of the well to cap it off. If an explosion can cap a gusher on land, then why can't it do the same underwater?

Yeah, and then they should send a bill to BP for the cost of the torpedo and the cleanup...

Just blow it up baby, just blow it up.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 1, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

That was Prince Al's beef.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 1, 2010 5:34 PM

don't get me started on expensive beef, we're only hitting the $1 million mark here... and that's for lifetime performance, not on a per season basis:

http://marxfood.com/this-bull-is-worth-1-million/

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 1, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Everybody has an opinion and we can agree to disagree, but I still feel to be conservative, to read and react, contain, etc. and not "get up the field" to try and disrupt, confuse, and ultimately force turnovers is an approach whose time has come and gone in today's pass happy NFL.

Maybe Blache's approach was based soley on what he felt his personnel could acheive. In any case, it's all good. Hail to the Redskins!!

Posted by: 72Redskins | May 1, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe,
Would you call Haynesworth's fee lancing and air sucking on the ground a fault of the scheme or even its application? How about Rogers and Landry biting on double moves? D. Hall doing the granny tackle?

I can agree that Blache made some errors like not playing any press coverage, but there is no way you can heap the defensive woe baggage on his shoulders alone. I believe the disruption started higher. It was an undisciplined team and that starts with the head coach. This defense gets so much better by just having a head coach who isn't afraid to bench a player, who makes everyone compete for their job, and who won't back down when rules are broken.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 1, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Moe,thanks for clarifying, I feel it was the scheme or approach that was outdated.

Posted by: 72Redskins | May 1, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead

The thing about the oil leak (is that what you call it?) is that after they cap it, they must continue drilling in the Gulf.

I say it's a national disaster and that the nation and gas companies need to invest in the best--and fastest--ways to clean these spills up.

It's in the national interest when you think about it.

I read somewhere that there is a huge deposit of oil deep under the Gulf of Mexico, but politics and environmental fears have blocked a lot of the exploration.

But if I'm a political leader and I have to risk a nasty unfortunate leak versus purchasing crude from self-interested Middle Eastern oil producing countries who might also support terrorism, I'm taking the occasional leak.

You can clean up a spill.

And even if you re-built two towers, you can't replace the loss of life or assuage the fears that an act of terror paid for at the pump might happen again.

Like I said before, "Drill, baby, drill."

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 1, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

They should just have the Navy fire a big torpedo at the base of the well to cap it off. If an explosion can cap a gusher on land, then why can't it do the same underwater?

Yeah, and then they should send a bill to BP for the cost of the torpedo and the cleanup...

Just blow it up baby, just blow it up.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 1, 2010 5:42 PM

BP's accepted full responsibility for the cost of the clean up already. And why do you think a torpedo will make things better, not worse?

Frankly, I think you're overlooking the obvious solution. Right idea, wrong warship. Send in a rescue aircraft carrier with blankets, food, fresh water, and lots of cleaning supplies.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 1, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, blow it up, possibly creating a bigger hole in the oil bag..The dentist should run a root canal straight to New Orleans, Hell, that ecosystem is so dead-zone f*cked (kinda like the Skins last year!!) anyway, what difference does it make?? What they really should do is have Halliburton haul Cheney over it, and let him drop a humungous turd right on it to plug it up, there's no sh*t like Cheney sh*t, I'll tell ya....

Posted by: frak | May 1, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

redskinhead

"Would you call Haynesworth's fee lancing and air sucking on the ground a fault of the scheme or even its application? How about Rogers and Landry biting on double moves? D. Hall doing the granny tackle?"



Point-taken.

That's just poor coaching.

I remember in high school and college that if I screwed up during a game, I got called to the sideline for a series or two so a position coach could b!tch me out for screwing up.

He'd always say, "Playing is a privilege, and if you're not gonna play hard and right, you lose your privilege!"

"And I don't care who you are!"

Maybe a little of that kind of talk would have corrected some of the bad play you've posted here.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 1, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

"Playing is a privilege, and if you're not gonna play hard and right, you lose your privilege!"

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 1, 2010 6:00 PM

And you fell for that? MistaMoe, shame on you.

Anyway, it's not a privilege for these guys, it's a job. And since they get paid the same whether they play or they don't, they're not falling for it.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 1, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

you can check it out with the U.S. Geological Survey (they don't care who's president), apparently there's some big-a**ed oil reserve under Wyoming or something.

can't be drilled yet 'cause of the enviro's, though. could have gotten at it 10 years ago, reduced foreign dependence on oil (it's interesting when you check exactly where the U.S. actually gets a lot of it's oil), and invested the savings in green technologies.

i live in sunny, racist-a** AZ and why isn't there a solar panel on every damn roof in the Phoenix Valley already?

Posted by: terrapin3 | May 1, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

And stock up on yer shrimp, scampi, unless you like mercury-induced cancer from Chinese shrimp..But the cost of shrimp is on the launching pad, as is the livlihoods of millions of Gulf residents..They can always burn a seagull for heating, though...

Posted by: frak | May 1, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Previous attempts to destroy the US economy by the Republicans fell short, so they've resorted to ecoterrorism..

Posted by: frak | May 1, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

beep-beep

"And since they get paid the same whether they play or they don't, they're not falling for it."


True.

But the lack of effort and performance should mean you sit on the bench if things don't improve.

Perhaps, then, it really speaks to the culture of a team where you don't get benched for screwing up during games and get to play when you don't practice.

Those reasons might have a lot to do with a team being 4-12 and having back to back last place finishes.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 1, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 1, 2010 5:54 PM

Of course your read there is a huge deposit of oil under the Gulf of Mexico. The environmental fears you alluded to are slowly becoming a reality. Besides the Gulf wetlands that may be ruined. Thousands will feel the brunt of unemployment if oysters and other seafood is destroyed by the oil. A massive oil leak is not easy to clean up. It takes years. There is still plenty of oil from the Exxon Valdez that is still around twenty years later. Hopefully this incident will put more pressure on the government and companies like BP to find alternate forms of energy which are out there. I would love to hear Palin and anybody else who believes that drilling for oil offshore is the way to go that those environmental people were just exaggerating the effects of drilling to the environment.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | May 1, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

"Playing is a privilege, and if you're not gonna play hard and right, you lose your privilege!"

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 1, 2010 6:00 PM

And, on second thought, there's one guy who can work the "playing is a privilege" line: the Commissioner. And he can make it work because he can take away a guy's pay. "You were putting your willie wiggler where you shouldn't have -- now you've lost your privilege and four weeks pay." End of story.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 1, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

beep-beep, were you known as League-Source in a prior life?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | May 1, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Maybe a little of that kind of talk would have corrected some of the bad play you've posted here.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 1, 2010 6:00 PM

sounds like you've taken the position that the personnel are adequate... just need a little 'better' coaching?

like the idea of performance-based competition at every position.

although something tells me that running a NFL team is like trying to steer an aircraft carrier...

http://tmyersnrscmo.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/carrier5.jpg

or at least keeping it afloat...

http://diveherald.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/oriskany_485.jpg

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 1, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

although something tells me that running a NFL team is like trying to steer an aircraft carrier...

http://tmyersnrscmo.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/carrier5.jpg

or at least keeping it afloat...

http://diveherald.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/oriskany_485.jpg

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 1, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps a relief mission aircraft carrier sent to rescue all the gulf skrimpys from the oil slick from hell?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | May 1, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

perhaps... although I was wondering if 'los could catch the USS Nimitz on that double move.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 1, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Adalius Thomas would add a lot of versatility to Haslett's 3-4 defense. Go get him Bruce Allen. Vincent Jackson is wearing out his welcome in San Diego - he'd be an excellent target for McNabb. Go get him Bruce Allen.

Posted by: coparker5 | May 1, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

kingjoffe

"Hopefully this incident will put more pressure on the government and companies like BP to find alternate forms of energy which are out there."


Wise words.

And you can't argue with the king.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 1, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Maybe he could if they took all the fighter jets off the deck and replaced them with helicopters.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | May 1, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

"Adalius Thomas would add a lot of versatility to Haslett's 3-4 defense."


I'm increasingly coming around to this pov.

So to decide between Sharper and Thomas, which vet would satisfy the two obvious defensive team needs at free safety and linebacker?

I'd take Thomas having screwed the pooch in not having signed L Foote.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 1, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

moe, just a quick thought... and pardon the caps.

WHAT FARM ARE YOU LIVING ON?

screwing the pooches is simply unacceptable.

night all.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 1, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

"If I'm a political leader and I have to risk a nasty unfortunate leak versus purchasing crude from self-interested Middle Eastern oil producing countries who might also support terrorism, I'm taking the occasional leak." posted by MistaMoe

If only that were the issue.. but it isn't. Five million barrels isn't a leak, it's a torrent. Terrorism won't end because we develop alternative energy sources and reduce foreign oil consumption. And the damage done in the Gulf will be way more than nasty and much worse than unfortunate.

Anyway, back to the Redskins. Chris Horton is the sort of ball hawk the Skins have needed -- not anywhere near the athlete Sharper is, but cut from similar cloth. Coverage was never his strong suit, and won't be even when he heals, but you have to think the guy is one of the better 7th round choices in recent memory.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 1, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget that cerrato did draft Sean Taylor (R.I.P) who would have been one of the best if not the best to ever play!!!!

Posted by: js_812288 | May 1, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Horton wasn't ball hawking last season. More like wide reciever interfering or ball pass over my heading.

Posted by: ATLredskin | May 1, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget that cerrato did draft Sean Taylor (R.I.P) who would have been one of the best if not the best to ever play!!!!

Posted by: js_812288 | May 1, 2010 8:56 PM

Joe Gibbs and Gregg Williams drafted Sean Taylor.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 1, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

beep-beep, were you known as League-Source in a prior life?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | May 1, 2010 6:40 PM

Not sure about earlier lives but I did use that handle until earlier this week. Switched to beep-beep so that I could always have the final word in every thread.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 1, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

New Math?

Gibbs + Kiddy car = Dukakis in helmet + tank

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 1, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep

Was this a preemptive handle change, an attempt at a new persona on RI, or a necessity?

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 1, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

beep-beep

"I did use that handle until earlier this week."

I'm in the process of changing my screen name as well.

I've a short list of 5 possible handles I might switch to:

notfunnyskinsfan

Idontknowsheeeet

daramblinposta

fukdatshethomie

bloghawg

Of course, if I change my screenname from mistamoe, folks won't know which posts to scroll past.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 1, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

terrapin3,

I'm in AZ, too, and couldn't agree more. I was (and am still) shocked to find very few houses with solar panels (and a huge rarity of nice, cool basement-equipped homes).
Most of the state should be covered with solar panel and wind farms...what gives?!

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | May 1, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Can both he and Horton play two deep and have LL playing a rover position closer to the LOS. Absolutely.

Posted by: TWISI | May 1, 2010 1:52 PM


3 Safeties?

Posted by: abxinc | May 1, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Joe Gibbs and Gregg Williams drafted Sean Taylor.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 1, 2010 10:25 PM

If St. Joe and Grilliams get the credit for ST21, does they get the blame for BLloyd and Arch Deluxe?

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | May 1, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

I mean "do they"

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | May 1, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

By John Clayton
ESPN.com

1. Washington Redskins: It's not the schedule that makes the Redskins the biggest surprise team for 2010. It's the quarterback. In the tradition of franchise quarterback acquisitions, Donovan McNabb should add five to six points to an anemic offense that averaged 16.6 points a game for the past two years. His impact should be best seen in division games. The Redskins were 0-6 in NFC East games last season and haven't had a winning record in divisional games since 2005. Last year's fourth-place finish gives the Redskins a break in the sense that they play the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and St. Louis Rams, two of the three worst teams in 2009.

Each year, a McNabb-like quarterback move usually results in a team making a three- to four-game jump. McNair had the seven-game jump in 2006. Jeff Garcia took advantage of an easy schedule to lead Tampa Bay to the playoffs in 2007. In 2008, Jake Delhomme came back from injury to lead the Panthers to a 12-4 record. In 2009, Brett Favre added more than five points a game to the Vikings' offense and the team went 12-4. With McNabb and the league's sixth-easiest non-division schedule (a .436 slate), the Redskins could go from 4-12 to 9-7 or better.

Posted by: abxinc | May 1, 2010 11:54 PM | Report abuse

A few years back I punched a magician and taught a horse to read email.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 2, 2010 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Of course, if I change my screenname from mistamoe, folks won't know which posts to scroll past.
Posted by: MistaMoe | May 1, 2010 10:36 PM

Not necessarily. You and a few others have a unique style that can be identified long before the screen name is spotted. Some in an entertaining good way and some well, Will knows what Will likes and what Will doesn't like Will scrolls on by and Will will just leave it at that.

Posted by: will_ga | May 2, 2010 12:24 AM | Report abuse

3 Safeties?

Posted by: abxinc | May 1, 2010 11:11 PM

I've heard Chris Russell on the Fan mention it at least four times. The Skins will use a version of the 4-2-5 employed by TCU. I found one of Chris's post on the Fan website. Here is the link http://1067thefandc.cbslocal.com/2010/03/31/buchanon-joins-the-junks-marshall-to-dc/#more-9618. Here is an excerpt

Keep in mind, that one defensive player told the FAN that there will be some schemes in the Redskins defense featuring a 4-2-5 look that you would see out of Gary Patterson at TCU.

Teams regularly play with five defensive backs, but most of the time – it is three corners and two safeties. Patterson’s defense regularly features the opposite of that — with more safeties then corners.

You can read about the scheme more in detail here http://www.shakinthesouthland.com/2009/09/inside-tcu-4-2-5-defense.html

Posted by: TWISI | May 2, 2010 12:35 AM | Report abuse

If St. Joe and Grilliams get the credit for ST21, does they get the blame for BLloyd and Arch Deluxe?

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | May 1, 2010 11:20 PM |

I believe St. Joe made the comment that he made a very acrobatic catch against the Skins the year before and that they wanted him. So yes that one is on St. Joe.

Arch came because the GW had him before and spoke highly of him.

So those two aren't on the Danny's sycophant.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | May 2, 2010 1:06 AM | Report abuse

But if I'm a political leader and I have to risk a nasty unfortunate leak versus purchasing crude from self-interested Middle Eastern oil producing countries who might also support terrorism, I'm taking the occasional leak.

You can clean up a spill.

And even if you re-built two towers, you can't replace the loss of life or assuage the fears that an act of terror paid for at the pump might happen again.

Like I said before, "Drill, baby, drill."

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 1, 2010 5:54 PM
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Brother, we speak the same language. Until the nation gets off its collective azz and whole-hog endorses one green technology for automobiles, then oil is the best cheapest option. If we're going to use it, then I like the idea of not being dependent on other countries to get it.

Having said that, this deep water drilling is a new technology and obviously one in need of some refining (pun intended). I know from my Navy days on a nuke sub that the pressures that deep are tremendous. We really don't have the vehicles that can both get down there and effectively do anything. So, the work is all done from the surface, and when you have a problem like this, you realize what they have been doing all along is like trying to manipulate a puppet from a mile above it. When one of the strings breaks, Pinnochio has seen his last dance...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 2, 2010 5:33 AM | Report abuse

I've heard Chris Russell on the Fan mention it at least four times. The Skins will use a version of the 4-2-5 employed by TCU. I found one of Chris's post on the Fan website. Here is the link http://1067thefandc.cbslocal.com/2010/03/31/buchanon-joins-the-junks-marshall-to-dc/#more-9618. Here is an excerpt

Keep in mind, that one defensive player told the FAN that there will be some schemes in the Redskins defense featuring a 4-2-5 look that you would see out of Gary Patterson at TCU.

Teams regularly play with five defensive backs, but most of the time – it is three corners and two safeties. Patterson’s defense regularly features the opposite of that — with more safeties then corners.

You can read about the scheme more in detail here http://www.shakinthesouthland.com/2009/09/inside-tcu-4-2-5-defense.html

Posted by: TWISI | May 2, 2010 12:35 AM
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TWISI, so a player told a journalist that the team might run a 4-2-5 defense some of the time? Man, that's some pretty weak stuff. I wouldn't sell my shares in IBM on that kind of speculation.

I would say that the team would run a nickel defense of some kind, and maybe they do play three safeties, but I think this is a third and long defense. I am not sure it would be a four man front, though. IMO, it's better to keep three guys with their hands in the dirt and the QB guessing about what the three linebackers are up to. Regardless, I don't think Horton and Doughty are the guys you want in a nickel formation. If the team chooses to use these guys like that, then I hope like heck they can get to the QB fast, or there will be many long days of watching Doughty and Horton losing races.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 2, 2010 5:45 AM | Report abuse

I'm in the process of changing my screen name as well.

I've a short list of 5 possible handles I might switch to:

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 1, 2010 10:36 PM |

No reason why you have to use just one. You could do like Chia_Pet who also goes by Risa_L, Debaitor, monkeymayonaise, etc. We even had a guy up here once who posted with different names in two browsers and had conversations with himself, not that anyone other than he wanted to read them. Sort of like periculum with an echo.

You can try it out with something easy like MistaJoe, MistaBill, MistaSuccinct, or MistaScrollonBy. And if it doesn't work for you, you can switch back. Even nateinthePDX made a few posts as he-nate-me.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 2, 2010 6:36 AM | Report abuse

You can try it out with something easy like MistaJoe, MistaBill, MistaSuccinct, or MistaScrollonBy. And if it doesn't work for you, you can switch back. Even nateinthePDX made a few posts as he-nate-me.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 2, 2010 6:36 AM
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How about Mistabater?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 2, 2010 6:39 AM | Report abuse

You can try it out with something easy like MistaJoe, MistaBill, MistaSuccinct, or MistaScrollonBy. And if it doesn't work for you, you can switch back. Even nateinthePDX made a few posts as he-nate-me.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 2, 2010 6:36 AM
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How about Mistabater?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 2, 2010 6:39 AM
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Or a tribute to the 80's band: MistaMista

Or author of the book "Hole in the Bed" by Mistacompletely

Or a tribute to condiments: Mistard&relish

Or a tribute to Chia: Mistake

Or a nod to Campbell apologists: MistaCampbellhasleftthebuilding

Or a nod to the new QB: MistaMcNabb

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 2, 2010 6:49 AM | Report abuse

RedSkinHead--Where you buy your coffee? I need some of that to get me jump started in the morning. Wow.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 2, 2010 7:01 AM | Report abuse

The lack of dumb moves by the Redskins this offseason has really sucked the life out of this blog. Debating potential new screen names for Moe for 10 hours just doesn't cut it.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | May 2, 2010 7:50 AM | Report abuse

from John Clayton,

"...a McNabb-like quarterback move usually results in a team making a three- to four-game jump."


That goes without saying.

So when you factor in said quarterback addition, a top-rated defense desiring to get more turnovers, and better playcalling, you can predict such a team finishes 9-7, 10-6, or 11-5 if it's lucky.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 2, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

kenbeatrizz

"Debating potential new screen names for Moe for 10 hours just doesn't cut it."

Actually, like a weird uncle, it's kinda gay and embarassing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 2, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

twisi

"Inside the TCU 4-2-5 Defense"

This is the perfect change as it's a defense designed to respond to teams that throw a lot--and well-from 3-4 wide sets.

You have to have a linebacker-lite SS and we do.

If things go right, L Landry should have a standout season.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 2, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

"So when you factor in said quarterback addition, a top-rated defense desiring to get more turnovers, and better playcalling, you can predict such a team finishes 9-7, 10-6, or 11-5 if it's lucky."posted by MistaMoe.

You're probably a better prognosticator than me -- almost everyone is. But I think 9-7 would be a reasonable goal, and wouldn't be that disappointed with 8-8.

Last year we had that fatal weakness in the o-line -- who knows the extent to which that's been corrected? But the Skins could easily spring a leak somewhere else. And who knows how good Philly will be this season? That's quite a rebuilding job they're doing over there.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 2, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 2, 2010 5:45 AM |

I never said this a a base defense or whatever. You're right it's probably a third down defense in a passing situation. If you paid attention to Hassllet he himself said this defense will not have the classic SS and FS, but a weak side, strong side defense. LL and Horton have mentioned the new responsibilities of the safety position. Having a safety similar to the Ryan Clark's of the world, who BTW is not a man cover safety, will be fine in this defense. Would you like to have a person back there that can do both well, certainly because then you can run more coverages, but the defense can be successful with smart safeties who read their keys and get the back 7 lined up correctly. That's why the draft rumor of Berry to the Skins made sense. It doesn't take a much to realize that the skins will not be requiring a single safety to play man high, just what a few of the Steeler's games.

Posted by: TWISI | May 2, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

The competitive edge is at full display, seeing Orakpo, Moss, Portis and just about every starter turned to gym rat is my kind of statement for next season.

Posted by: abxinc | May 2, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

The competitive edge is at full display, seeing Orakpo, Moss, Portis and just about every starter turned to gym rat is my kind of statement for next season.

Posted by: abxinc | May 2, 2010 9:06 AM

Reports from Gold's Gym in Tennesse are that even Albert Haynesworth is getting into shape. He's at the gym three days a week now, usually on days when he can't take his boat out on the lake.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 2, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

"..Albert Haynesworth is getting into shape. He's at the gym three days a week now,.."



It's my understanding the gym is named Denny's.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 2, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

beepers

Posted by: TWISI | May 2, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Let's give Albert some love, he's can be an angry young man and I want that anger directed squarely on the Dallas Cowboys. Anyone who stomps on cowboy's heads is a hero of mine for life.

Posted by: elderdave1 | May 2, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

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