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Lorenzo Alexander gets a promotion to starting linebacker

In March, the Redskins rewarded Lorenzo Alexander with a three-year contract for his strong work as a reserve defensive lineman and on special teams.

The versatile Alexander, who played both end and tackle in 2009 and is the Redskins' top player on special teams, received a three-year deal that pays him a base salary of $550,000 this season and also includes a $400,000 roster bonus. The contract made sense for the team because of Alexander's production relative to the role he played on the 53-man roster.

In light of what occurred in the Redskins' last game, Alexander's deal is suddenly among the most cost effective in the NFL. Alexander was named Washington's starting left outside linebacker prior to a 17-12 victory over the Philadelphia Eagles at Lincoln Financial Field on Sunday. He replaced Andre Carter, who proved to be a bad fit for the team's new 3-4 scheme and had struggled through the first three games.

Alexander participated in 50 plays at linebacker against the Eagles and was credited with two tackles. He again displayed the form that helped him earn the team's top special team's award for the 2009 season, delivering a crushing blow against Eagles kickoff returner Jorrick Calvin, who left the game with a shoulder injury.

Although Alexander and Carter supposedly were competing at the left linebacker position throughout the offseason, the plan apparently was for Carter, who is being paid $4.5 million this season, to start. Alexander, who has been credited with 10 tackles and has one sack, has a heavy workload on special teams and is involved in multiple defensive packages, so it was not surprising Carter initially got the starting assignment.

While addressing reporters late last week at Redskins Park, defensive coordinator Jim Haslett said, based on game film, it was clear that Alexander's role should be expanded. Among other things, Alexander has fared better in coverage than Carter, according to people familiar with the situation. And Alexander's new assignment was not a one-game lineup shakeup.

The Redskins intend for Alexander to continue to work with the first-team defense as long as his play dictates that he should. It will be interesting to see whether Alexander is involved less on special teams because of his higher standing on defense.

Special teams coordinator Danny Smith often raves about Alexander's big hits on kickoff coverage, and Coach Mike Shanahan on Monday said that the tackle of the Eagles' Calvin "was one of the best hits I've been around since I've been in the NFL. That was an explosion on the sidelines. So that was very, very special."

Carter, who had his first sack of the season against Philadelphia, will continue to contribute. Haslett is expected to use Carter in more straight pass-rush situations, such as in nickel packages, and in four-down alignments in which he does not have to work in coverage often.

The Redskins improved from last in the league in defense to 31st this week. Maybe the lineup change at linebacker will help produce further positive developments for the group.

How will the Redskins' secondary fare against the Packers' talented QB Aaron Rodgers? Contribute your thoughts in The Tailgate Zone.

By Jason Reid  | October 6, 2010; 6:05 AM ET
Categories:  3-4 defense, Andre Carter, Special teams  
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Posted by: hessone | October 6, 2010 6:39 AM | Report abuse

"The Redskins improved from last in the league in defense to 31st this week."

The great thing about being on the bottom is you've got nowhere else to go but up!

Posted by: Alan4 | October 6, 2010 6:48 AM | Report abuse


Lorenzo Alexander gets a promotion to starting linebacker

LAlexander played better at the position than ACarter did. 4-3 on passing downs and ACarter should see some playing time to "do what he do".

Posted by: hessone | October 6, 2010 6:52 AM | Report abuse

Lo Alexander is doing work...good to see the Skins get another undrafted football player instead of a high-priced prima donna posing as an athlete...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2010 6:57 AM | Report abuse

Florio hits the nail on the head at the end of this post:

Report: Pats will get a third-round pick for Randy Moss
Posted by Mike Florio on October 6, 2010 7:02 AM ET
Last night, our pall Todd Wright of Sporting News Radio asked me to peg the compensation that the Vikings would send to the Patriots for receiver Randy Moss.

I flat-out guessed that the Vikings wouldn't be giving up much more than a third- or fourth-round pick.

As it turns out, this blind squirrel is having his eggs with a side of grilled acorn this morning. Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that, when a trade happens, the Patriots will get a third-round pick from the Vikings.

When the Vikings traded Moss to the Raiders in 2005, they received linebacker Napoleon Harris (a failed former first-round pick), a first-round pick (which became failed receiver Troy Williamson), and a seventh-rounder. Two years later, the Raiders sent Moss to New England for a fourth-round selection.

Following a record-setting 2007 season, Moss actually became an unrestricted free agent. After a couple of days on the market, the Eagles made a run at Moss. He reportedly took less money to re-sign with the Patriots for $27 million over three years.

So Moss gets a third-round pick for the Patriots, and the Chargers wanted two second-round picks for Vincent Jackson? A hundred times out of a hundred, Moss is the better choice.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2010 7:07 AM | Report abuse

Lo is a man you just naturally want to root for. What a find. What a versatile talent. Not many guys can flatten a runback guy then alternate between DT and OLB on defense.

AND the guy has played offense, too.

On the downside, I've got Insomnia.

Posted by: TheCork | October 6, 2010 7:12 AM | Report abuse

100% agree Cork...guys like Lo are the stuff champions are made of. Here's hoping that comes to fruition in the near future.

Oh, and if you want a cure for that insomnia I suggest going back and reading your own posts...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2010 7:21 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if this Randy Moss trade lowers the VJ83 price tag? It should already be less b/c he won't be able to play until week 7. I still think we should attepmt to trade for him, if the price is right. The Chargers have to trade him, b/c he won't play this season, and he become a FA next year.

Posted by: roccoskins | October 6, 2010 7:33 AM | Report abuse

It is about time Lorenzo Alexander got his props. The dude is just a football player - plug him in anywhere. This does raise an interesting question regarding carter. He is being paid a lot of money to be a part time player. I bet the team is shopping him as well. I know, I know; he has a no-trade clause in his contract, but he has said he would work with the team on that. I have to believe he would be motivated to waive the clause if it meant he would be an every down starter.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 6, 2010 7:42 AM | Report abuse

(self-post)

"This might be the game where we have to unleash Davis or Cooley as the packers corners are so, so good and will crush our wrs."

This self-post is brought to you by a guy who, after watching the lions v. packers replay wondered, "How do you attack a good defense with what the skins have?"

The answer?: You attack the center of the field with tight ends.

This weekend should be CC/FD time.

The lions' tight end Brian Pettigrew made more than a few good plays against the packers' coverage.

We should put our two tight ends to work in similar fashion.

The packers will pressure the skins' small/developing/old receivers, use corner-blitzes to get at McNabb on roll outs/bootlegs, and send Matthews at #5 to flush him out or into a bad throws.

That's what philly/rams did in the 3rd quarter to shut down the redskin offense, so we should expect to see more of the same.

If we are committed to using two-tight packages to help out in protection, our best plays might be tight end delays, screens, drags, and short option routes underneath.

You'd think success with that should make the packers play more coverage, and thus, open up the running game.

Good offense for us this weekend should be Fred Davis and Chris Cooley having great games.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2010 7:43 AM | Report abuse

BTW, I have noticed a trend with Shanahan. It seems like his plan all along was to start veterans and load up with younger backups, gradually working the younger guys into the lineup. We saw it with Dockery-Lichtensteiger, Portis-Torain, Carter-Alexander and I think Galloway will ultimately give way to Armstrong as a starter. As someone most aptly put it, "we may have started out as the oldest team in the NFL, but we won't finish the season that way..."

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 6, 2010 7:46 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 6, 2010 7:46 AM

I totally agree with this assessment.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse

I was thinking the same thing rocco...I've maintained all along that I don't think a VJ trade is dead until the trade deadline passes. It'll be interesting to see if A.J. Smith finally gets his head out of his ass now that he sees Moss moving for a 3rd rounder...

RSH, good point...so much consternation up here about Galloway starting, but I would be surprised if he's still the regular starter in Week 17. All part of my "it's too early to tell" position...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

@brownwood26 I just tweeted @JasonLaCanfora, asking him about VJ83 and he said as of now there is no market. But with the Randy trade going down, the Redskins may call the Chargers asking for a smaller price tag.

Posted by: roccoskins | October 6, 2010 8:03 AM | Report abuse

The answer?: You attack the center of the field with tight ends.

1-BILLION PERCENT AGREED moe...watched some of the Lions/Packers game last night, and thats exactly how the lions gashed the pack.....the packers defense is a hard charging up the field type of defense..screens, and pass's to the TE's, the middle of the field was WIDE OPEN during that game.....woodson/moss is another tough week for Tana...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Good stuff rocco...although I wouldn't exactly look at JLC as a go-to source for breaking NFL news. You might wanna direct that tweet to the guy who broke the Moss story--Jay Glazer.

But I don't expect the VJ market to heat up until after this Moss trade goes down. Once the dust settles, you might see A.J. Smith's phone ringing again.

Hopefully, this time when he puts the phone to his ear he doesn't have to reach back...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2010 8:08 AM | Report abuse

rocco

"But with the Randy trade going down, the Redskins may call the Chargers asking for a smaller price tag."


AJ Smith is not going to move Jackson until after the season.

He's making a point to the entire Chargers' roster, league, and VJAX all at the same time.

Our best move is to get AA and DT on the field and involved.

After all, we may find we have two young solid receivers in house at that rate we're switching vets out for young'ns.

It's only a matter of time before the lack of productivity from RWilliams/JGalloway is seen for what it is: a liability that infects the entire offense.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Bean,

How are they taking the Moss trade up there?

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Hey Greg, what's the scene in Boston like with this Moss trade? Caught a little sportstalk radio this morning and it sounds like they could kinda take him or leave him...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

The answer?: You attack the center of the field with tight ends.

1-BILLION PERCENT AGREED moe...watched some of the Lions/Packers game last night, and thats exactly how the lions gashed the pack.....the packers defense is a hard charging up the field type of defense..screens, and pass's to the TE's, the middle of the field was WIDE OPEN during that game.....woodson/moss is another tough week for Tana...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2010 8:07 AM
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We should have been attacking with Cooley and Davis in every game. I like Cooley and Paulsen as well. I was watching Paulsen block it the Philly game and he's like having another offensive lineman on the field. No wonder some teams wanted to draft him as a developmental offensive tackle...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 6, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse

@brownwood26, lol, yea I am not a huge JLC fan either. But i just directed the tweet his way, cause I knew he would answer. I was about to send it to Adam Schefter, but he is a little busy right now!!!

Posted by: roccoskins | October 6, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Great minds Brown!!!

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse

flound, its all spin, you can't say anything negative about the pats, and expect to work in the media up here...pick the reason he was moved:

1. Not a good player in the cold weather
2. Stopped trying after the Cincinnati game
3. Brandon Tate is a better player
4. Physical corners can take him out of the game

you cannot disparage the pats...regardless if this trade weakens the team, Bill can do no wrong up here....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse

So a player gets promoted based on performance and not the size of his contract, what a novel concept!

Thats how you win in this league, young hungry nobodies, not big name stars. Anybody watch the Pats-Fins game? Guys I've never heard of were flyin' around making plays. The only star that mattered was the QB.
Now the Pats are about to trade arguably their biggest name on the roster. Why? Because management recognizes that the only time they actually won the Super Bowl was when you couldn't name their starting wideouts or RB's.

Posted by: Predator48 | October 6, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

whats not being said about the Moss trade is that had the pats kept him and let him walk at the end of the year, they'd have gotten a 3rd round compensatory pick ANYWAY...so what did they gain really?? They lost 12 games with Moss on the team...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

AJ Smith is not going to move Jackson until after the season.

He's making a point to the entire Chargers' roster, league, and VJAX all at the same time.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2010 8:11 AM


If he holds on to his ridiculous stance, the only point he'll prove is that he's not nearly as brilliant as he thinks he is. He may or may not have the franchise tag at his disposal to keep VJ around long enough to trade him, so there's a good chance that backfires. Letting him walk for free is idiotic. Every day VJ sits his value goes down and if he's even a little bit smart, he'd deal VJ now. In all honesty, he could have gotten max return on him before the season started, but now with Moss moving for just a 3rd rounder, he screwed the pooch on that...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Good stuff rocco...although I wouldn't exactly look at JLC as a go-to source for breaking NFL news. You might wanna direct that tweet to the guy who broke the Moss story--Jay Glazer.

But I don't expect the VJ market to heat up until after this Moss trade goes down. Once the dust settles, you might see A.J. Smith's phone ringing again.

Hopefully, this time when he puts the phone to his ear he doesn't have to reach back...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2010 8:08 AM
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I've come to the conclusion that A.J. Smith never wanted to trade VJ. He placed his demands ridiculously high knowing he wouldn't get any takers. I don't watch Chargers' football, but I get the feeling the Chargers don't have the same stocked shelf of receivers that the Patriots do.

Having said that, I believe there is a plan "B" afoot. Offloading DT is a part of it. I also believe they are ready to deal Carter now that Alexander has taken hold of the starting OLB spot.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 6, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

A.J. Smith = NERD who must be on 'special brownies' for wanting two 2nd rounders for VJax

Posted by: monk811 | October 6, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Good point on the compensatory pick, Greg...I'm curious to know what they're thinking on that. The only thing that comes to mind is that it's a calculated gamble on NE's part, maybe thinking they'll get the Oakland version of Moss this year anyway...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

predator48

"So a player gets promoted based on performance and not the size of his contract, what a novel concept!"


Yeah, there's nothing as smart as having a lot of common sense.

Alexander and Wilson are both better than Carter at OLB.

Giving them the chance to prove is where common damn sense overrides contractual obligation foolishness.

Thing is, Andre Carter is one of the more professional, accomplished players on the roster.

He should have a role on defense--the defense should use his skills by inserting him in as a 4-3 d-end from time to time to keep an offense guessing.

But this off season, he and the skins must re-consider the no-trade clause in his contract, come to an amicable agreement, and put together some kind of trade for a guy who does have more than a few years on a well-conditioned, although, older body.

A Carter and A Haynesworth are two nice trading chips moving forward.

And to not move them would be a complete lack of common damn sense.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse


woodson/moss is another tough week for Tana...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2010 8:07 AM |

...so they better get DT11 out there

Posted by: hessone | October 6, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

How much sense does this really make for the Pats to trade Moss? He looked good when they played Revis (before he got injured), he didn't catch a pass on Monday night because he was double/triple teamed. Now that Moss is gone, Welker will be the one double/triple teamed and who's gonna step up and save the day? Edleman? (sp?)
Are the Pats giving up? Or are they relying too heavily on unproven rookie/young talent?
I agree with Greg, they could have used him for the rest of the year and STILL gotten a compensatory pick for him. I think Belichik needs to hit the pipe less....

Posted by: monk811 | October 6, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

looking at his numbers, he's the anti-contract year player, his numbers are typically worse when playing for a contract...

if I were a fantasy football guy, I might dump welker, becuase I feel like his production might start to tank....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

It's nice to think of strategies where we unload players for pics or positional fix players - -

But let's face it, no one is buying our stock until we do something with them...A playoff appearance maybe...

Teams know our situation and will wait us out.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 6, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

"The Redskins improved from last in the league in defense to 31st this week."

Was that your dry a$$ attempt at being funny JReid?That shti wasn't funny.Wasn't funny at all.

Posted by: smittdiddy | October 6, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

...so they better get DT11 out there

smh....being a jackazz comes naturally to some people...hess, lets ignore each other going forward...ok...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

So Randy Moss will be teaming up with Brett Favre.

I can't decide whether or not this will be good for my fantasy team.

Oh, and 100 times out of 100, I would also take Randy Moss for a 3rd rounder rather than Vincent Jackson for a 2nd + additional pick.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

whats not being said about the Moss trade is that had the pats kept him and let him walk at the end of the year, they'd have gotten a 3rd round compensatory pick ANYWAY...so what did they gain really?? They lost 12 games with Moss on the team...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2010 8:21 AM
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Belichick eats, breathes, and squats the mantra of "no player is bigger than the team". He had very few other options for upgrading his receiving corps when he traded for Moss. Now he has other options and Moss has done some grumbling in the past. It wouldn't surprise me to find out he has wanted to do this for some time.

Shanahan isn't much different. It's why he was so tough on Haynesworth and why he wants DT out. He'd rather have a roster full of brown bagging do-whatever-it takes players like Alexander instead of fall-asleep-in-the-training room bums like DT.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 6, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

if I were a fantasy football guy, I might dump welker, becuase I feel like his production might start to tank....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2010 8:33 AM


Too true...that guy is a great piece if you can play him outta the slot and have two good outside receivers...if he's your #1 WR, you've got problems.

Meanwhile, the stock on my fantasy QB (Favre) just rose from the dead...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Belichick eats, breathes, and squats the mantra of "no player is bigger than the team".

except for Tom Brady, whom without, they'd be .500 at best...Bill's no dummy when it comes to Tom...he knows thats what butters his toast...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Belichick must have an ego..

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 6, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

If he holds on to his ridiculous stance, the only point he'll prove is that he's not nearly as brilliant as he thinks he is.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2010 8:22 AM

Well, who among us is? I'll be the first to admit that I'm not as brilliant as A. J. Smith thinks he is. Heck, I'm not even as brilliant as most of you guys think you are, but I'm probably more brilliant than you think Vinny is.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 6, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

The Patriots only would have received a compensatory pick if they let Moss walk AND pursued nobody in free agency.

The Patriots are generally an active team in FA. I think they'd rather get what they can now than risk getting nothing later.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Lorenzo does indeed play a great "roll".

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 6, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Beep, where did you get that Keim stuff? The last thing posted is Studs and Duds from the Eagles game.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2010 6:36 AM

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/Portis-out-vs_-Packers_-1121165-104388398.html

Posted by: beep-beep | October 6, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

psp, I don't know, seems like they're throwing in the towel on this season...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and 100 times out of 100, I would also take Randy Moss for a 3rd rounder rather than Vincent Jackson for a 2nd + additional pick.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2010 8:42 AM


While I agree with that in principle, for the Redskins' purposes VJ is a better fit...good blocker, big WR that has the size (and desire) to go over the middle. Moss doesn't come off the line of scrimmage on running plays, let alone block. He'd be sitting next to DT in Shanahan's doghouse if he played here. Not to mention VJ is 27 and Moss is 33.

Again: agree that there's more value in the Moss trade, but not for what the Redskins are trying to do.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

if I were a fantasy football guy, I might dump welker, becuase I feel like his production might start to tank....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2010 8:33 AM

If you were also a fantasy guy, you might consider picking up Brandon Tate.

Welker becomes the go-to guy, he likely gets double-teamed.

Brandon Tate steps in and takes Randy Moss' starting space as the outside deep threat. With Welker doubled, that leaves Tate with opportunities 1 on 1. And this kid has speeed.

There's your fantasy sleeper for the week. Pick him up now; by week 8, he could be a breakout fantasy stud.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse


...so they better get DT11 out there

smh....being a jackazz comes naturally to some people...hess, lets ignore each other going forward...ok...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2010 8:39 AM |

I get a kick out of you greg. I don't feel that way about folks, but you have to admit, you jumped me about beating a dead horse and when you do, well, it's acceptable. stop being so damn defensive and loosen up bean, I'm just joking most of the time up here. freakin serious stuff this RI is.

Posted by: hessone | October 6, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

I already have Tate just haven't used him yet if Moss goes I will give him a shot in two weeks.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

"...woodson/moss is another tough week for Tana..."


Remember the last packers v. skins contest?

'Tana on a reverse on a muddy field fumbles, Woodson recovers, and runs the ball in for a score.

I think this time around, the packers let Woodsen freelance and blitz McNabb more often.

They'll use Collins over the top to cover 'Tana going deep in the event of a corner blitz.

What really must happen is that AA or DT or some damn body must 'step up' and be a force opposite 'Tana.

'Cuz against guys like Woodson/Collins, 'Tana just isn't a force anymore.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Skins need some serious help at wr....Randy Moss is on the block and they are willing to trade him to the vikes for a 3rd round? Really??? Seriously? WTF are the Skins not trying to out bid the vikes...for crying out loud!

I have been one to think we needed to stop chasing older vets but damn man...we need wrs and Moss is available and we do nothing? DammiT!

Posted by: leevi98 | October 6, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Greg, I don't doubt that the Patriots are throwing in the towel. Brady isn't throwing 50 TDs this year and their defense is incredibly young an inconsistent; no way Belichick sees a Super Bowl this year, even with Moss.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Still nothing about the Portis MRI? What did Reid say yesterday, "More on this soon"?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 6, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

psp, I don't know, seems like they're throwing in the towel on this season...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2010 8:51 AM


Which would be insane since they're 3-1 and tied for 1st place in a wide open division...

Belichick is starting to look more like the guy we saw in Cleveland...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

ugh, moe..wish you handn't gone there with the last GB/Wash game....ST had what 2 picks, but his hands on 5 or something like that??

agreed on someone stepping up...JG/RWilliams need to bring it or step aside...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

I try to ignore hess...I just can't.

And don't want RMoss...we can't have two Moss's at WR.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 6, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

This "explosion" is exactly why Lorenzo is starting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrfTGTAOYi8

I wonder if there's anything in the works for a Haynesworth trade. I don't think it's odd that his best performance comes just before the trade deadline.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | October 6, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

If Shananigans can't handle DT's 'tude, you think he'd spring for RMoss?! I want what you're smokin'!

CPo, Stompy & "James Brown hit you w/ a truck" RMoss ... I think the DMV would begin to sink below sea level w/ all that attitude in one location.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 6, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

agreed on someone stepping up...JG/RWilliams need to bring it or step aside...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2010 9:02 AM
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Armstrong missed a game and still has more receiving yardage than Galloway. I think they have their guy. They just need to annoint him the starter and leave him in there for a whole game. Of course, when you do that the whole question of Galloway being an overpaid third wideout comes into play. Demoting him might mean more than moving him down one spot on the roster: it might mean he hits the streets.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 6, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

psp, they're a better team with Moss, can't argue that, and they've a better shot in the playoffs with moss, so I guess thats how I see it...that 3rd rounder ain't helping them this year...smack in the prime of Tom Brady's career...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

This "explosion" is exactly why Lorenzo is starting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrfTGTAOYi8

I wonder if there's anything in the works for a Haynesworth trade. I don't think it's odd that his best performance comes just before the trade deadline.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | October 6, 2010 9:03 AM
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Wouldn't surprise me to find out he has been traded. He might have played better but he is still way down on Shanahan's list of "players I'd like to build around".

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 6, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse


Brandon Pettigrew had 8 for 91 yds and T Scheffler had 6 for 63 yds. If those two can rack up those numbers against the Packers D then FD and CC could really have a big day. If we target them enough they could combine for 200 yds.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 6, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 6, 2010 9:06 AM

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Armstrong looks decent, but the guy really needs to start ironing out the little details. He was at least two yards from the sidelines when he caught that perfect pass from Donovan. Had he not stumbled, Armstrong would have had a 73 yard touchdown instead of a 57 yard reception. The score should have been 21-3 after that catch.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | October 6, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

leevi, again: Moss doesn't fit in Shanahan's system. Dude can't block in the run game, doesn't go over the middle. He's unstoppable on go-routes but he's forever tipping the defense off on what's coming. No chance Shanahan wants that guy...

Oh, and then there's the little issue about our 3rd round pick...as in, WE DON'T HAVE ONE...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

stu, not even taking into consideration that Pettigrew dropped about 5 balls as well....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

"Alexander's deal is suddenly among the most cost effective in the NFL"

Agreed, but omit "suddenly". This guy didn't just start choppin wood last week. He's been ballin for years. Championship teams always have multiple guys like LA- not flashy, big contract or major headlines but who just do their job or jobs, as it were. Good to see his hard work be rewarded. Hope his next contract is comensurate with his contributions.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 6, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Armstrong looks decent, but the guy really needs to start ironing out the little details. He was at least two yards from the sidelines when he caught that perfect pass from Donovan. Had he not stumbled, Armstrong would have had a 73 yard touchdown instead of a 57 yard reception. The score should have been 21-3 after that catch.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | October 6, 2010 9:12 AM

It would have been 21-6 if Donovan had hit him in stride on that long pass in the second half, instead of leading him out of bounds like JC.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 6, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Armstrong looks decent, but the guy really needs to start ironing out the little details.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | October 6, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

He also dropped a pass in the 2nd Half that would have converted a 3rd down, when we desperately needed it.
He really needs to work on his concentration and hands. If he were smart, he'd be selling himself as a possession type 3rd down receiver, he'd have a lot of value then.
We need him to be like that dude Best from the Dolphins, he makes his money on 3rd down.

Posted by: monk811 | October 6, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Redskins - the only place where a guy named "LA" ain't flashy... hehehe.

Stu - I hear ya. I was thinking about TEs when whoever was callin' out 'Tana as being done vs. the Pack. As long as 'Tana takes up defenders, he'll be plenty effective.

Hail to 'em!

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 6, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Hope his next contract is comensurate with his contributions.


Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 6, 2010 9:15 AM

Considering he's 27, there probably won't be another contract...at least not in Washington. Just sayin'...

Didn't realize he played for the Ravens in '06...looks like for every Adalius Thomas they coach up, they miss on a Lo Alexander or James Harrison...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Revenge game for Santana against the Packers for his debacle in 2007. Woodson is too active to have him shadow Moss all game long. Plus GB plays more zone than man coverage anyway. Santana with 100+ and a TD.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

stu, not even taking into consideration that Pettigrew dropped about 5 balls as well....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

21 total targets between them in that game.

So far this whole YEAR we have 29 targets to our TE duo, 25 to CC and 4 to FD. Yet 13 targets to Sellers.
Its time to get FD more involved in the passing game, a target a game aint gonna cut it

Posted by: Stu27 | October 6, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

If everyone on the team made the same salary as Lo Alexander, collectively the payroll would be about the same as what they've paid Haynesworth this season. Give me a team of hungry players and I'll take on your team of divas every time.

Posted by: randysbailin | October 6, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

stu, couldn't agree more...they threw the ball to those 2 guys 21 times in 1 game, all while having megatron on the other side of the field....get davis more involved...

any thoughts on Julius Jones....anyone??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

A.J. Smith, the Chargers GM, is a brilliant personnel guy who let's his ego get in the way of good football decisions. He's in a stand-off w/ a top receiver. Previously, he let Brees go for a cup of coffee. He canned Schotty after a 14-2 season in a power struggle. He showed LT the door, etc etc

Posted by: randysbailin | October 6, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

any thoughts on Julius Jones....anyone??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

As a backup, sure.

Ex-Cowboy who might like to get back at his team twice a year.

For a really cheap price, why not?

Posted by: iH8dallas | October 6, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

he let Brees go for a cup of coffee.

I'm not certain that he got that much...seems to me he let brees walk for zip, zero...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

any thoughts on Julius Jones....anyone??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Julius Jones = Ex Cowboy NERD

Julius Jones = Inconsistent DORK

Julius Jones = Thomas Jone's LESS TALENTED Younger Brother

That enough thoughts for ya?

Posted by: monk811 | October 6, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

"Armstrong looks decent, but the guy really needs to start ironing out the little details."

I think that in a couple of weeks, the next big change to the team will be that AA is listed as a starter, DT moved up or out, and RWilliams, like LJohnson, sent packing, thus allowing TAustin to be promoted.

Shanahan is auditioning guys from this year's team for next year's team.

And from Austin, Thomas, Armstrong, and Kelly, he is going to find him a Rod Smith, Shannon Sharpre, or Javon Walker.

That, or he will draft one.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

any thoughts on Julius Jones....anyone??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2010 9:32 AM


Yeah, my thought is summed up in one word:

Pass.

We're trying to unload washed up RBs, not get more. I'd rather see us pluck DeDe Dorsey from the UFL...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Hadnt really realized till I looked it up that the drop atgainst philly was F Davis only drop out of 4 passes. Brandon Pettigrew is a rookie with a similar build as FD and he has become the feature TE in that offense( which with Best, Megatron and matty stafford could be great going forward). Why cant we get FD more involved. Im wondering if that field goal block has anything to do with it. So far Shanny has shown that he can hold a grudge.


Bean are you asking for thought on wr(al) Julio Jones=YES, or rb Julius Jones...

Posted by: Stu27 | October 6, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of the trade for the Vikings...when Rice returns, look at their lineup:

QB: Brett Favre
RB: Adrian Peterson
WR1: Randy Moss
WR2: Sidney Rice
WR3: Percy Harvin
TE: Visanthe Schiancoe

That's an incredibly talented team on paper. Plus that defense? They could be unreal if firing on all cylinders.

Is Brad Childress the luckiest coach on the planet? You'd have to try to lose with that team.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

rb Julius Jones

only in the event that CP is worse than originally feared....not that we'd get an update here...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

As for the Patriots, get this:

They now have 2 first rounders (Oakland's first rounder; they're 1-3), 2 second rounders (Carolina's second rounder; they're 0-4), and 2 third rounders (Minnesota's third).

That's like 4 years worth of draft picks for the Redskins. And the Patriots are already young as hell, particularly on defense.

Belichick might not be as dumb as people on here want to make him out to be for this trade...

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

A.J. Smith, the Chargers GM, is a brilliant personnel guy who let's his ego get in the way of good football decisions. He's in a stand-off w/ a top receiver. Previously, he let Brees go for a cup of coffee. He canned Schotty after a 14-2 season in a power struggle. He showed LT the door, etc etc

Posted by: randysbailin | October 6, 2010 9:35 AM


Agree...he only got that gig riding the coattails of the late John Butler and now he's living off the fumes of the brilliant move to parlay Eli Manning into Rivers, Merriman, and Kaeding. If the Chargers crap the bed this year (as I think they will), he's done...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

psp, Dont forget about Steve Hutchinson and Bryant Mckinnie watching your blindside, best combo in the league...

Posted by: Stu27 | October 6, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

hahaha, I forgot, AND they have Denver's 4th rounder for Maroney.

So to recap, this is NE's 2011 draft:

1st rounder - OAK
1st rounder - NE
2nd rounder - CAR
2nd rounder - NE
3rd rounder - MIN
3rd rounder - NE
4th rounder - DEN
4th rounder - NE
5th rounder - NE
6th rounder - NO (trade for David Thomas)

Ugh. How they hell they pull this off, I have no idea.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

They now have 2 first rounders (Oakland's first rounder; they're 1-3), 2 second rounders (Carolina's second rounder; they're 0-4), and 2 third rounders (Minnesota's third).

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2010 9:50 AM

Vinnie would have a field day with those picks!

Posted by: PlayAction | October 6, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

QB: Brett Favre
RB: Adrian Peterson
WR1: Randy Moss
WR2: Sidney Rice
WR3: Percy Harvin
TE: Visanthe Schiancoe

That's an incredibly talented team on paper. Plus that defense? They could be unreal if firing on all cylinders.

Is Brad Childress the luckiest coach on the planet? You'd have to try to lose with that team.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Check the same list for next year:

QB: Brett Favre (Retires after 2010)
RB: Adrian Peterson (Starts fumbling again)
WR1: Randy Moss (Pouts, doesn't work as hard cause Tavaris Jackson can't get him the ball)
WR2: Sidney Rice (Proves he's injury prone)
WR3: Percy Harvin (Too many migraines and problems to be consistantly successful)
TE: Visanthe Schiancoe (One hit wonder)

Brad Childress won't be so lucky after all this happens, and he'll be out on his azz at the end of the 2011 year, this year is Super Bowl or bust. Book It!!!

Posted by: monk811 | October 6, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

I feel for Andre, he tried his best in that OLB role and without complaint, but it's just not in his wheelhouse. Congrats to Lorenzo, who I've said many times is the best athlete on the team.

I give credit to the coaching staff for pulling the trigger on the move, and finding better situations for Andre to be productive instead of continuing to try an fit a square peg into a round hole.

Posted by: walkdwalk | October 6, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

psps23, don't believe the hype...I've seen a couple Vikes games this year and their problem on offense is the O-line (especially the right side) and on D, the Williams Wall isn't earning their reputation. Either that team is showing their age or Sidney Rice carries with him the collective confidence of his teammates.

Plus we don't know if/when Rice will come back. And if he does, will he be the same guy?

They'll make a couple plays with Moss there, maybe even roll off a couple wins in a row. But I wouldn't count on them doing anything special, or even catching the Packers in that division.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Is Brad Childress the luckiest coach on the planet? You'd have to try to lose with that team.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse


And he will do it. Childress is like Jim Zorn with the luck of a ton of talent on his roster.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 6, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Brownie, do you wake up that way or does the OCD take time to slip in... lmao.

& wDw, why feel bad for Carter? He gets to go back to the position he likes...and gets to come in fresh to be effective. His stats are already better.

I still don't think he or oSACKpo should be playing LB.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 6, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan is auditioning guys from this year's team for next year's team.

And from Austin, Thomas, Armstrong, and Kelly, he is going to find him a Rod Smith, Shannon Sharpre, or Javon Walker.

That, or he will draft one.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Well said. I'm excited about this young group. I think Austin is going to be a player too.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 6, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Well said. I'm excited about this young group. I think Austin is going to be a player too.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 6, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Reminds me of Eddie Royal, he caught 91 balls his rookie year, which was Shannahan's last year in Denver. Let's make it happen!

Posted by: monk811 | October 6, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Ugh. How they hell they pull this off, I have no idea.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2010 9:54 AM


It's easy really...build up a dynasty, and then trade off your great players before anyone else realizes they're not great anymore. Use the acquired picks to select your next wave of great players.

The only problem for NE is the guy that picked the great players to begin with is in KC now...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I agree with both of you that this years team is about finding the 22 starters for 2011.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 6, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

he should have been moved to the inside linebacker position from the start and let rocky stay on the outside!!!!!

Posted by: simplewords999 | October 6, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Considering he's 27, there probably won't be another contract...at least not in Washington. Just sayin'...

Didn't realize he played for the Ravens in '06...looks like for every Adalius Thomas they coach up, they miss on a Lo Alexander or James Harrison...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Well, if he keeps this up I'd expect the team to redo his contract before this 3 yr deal expires.

And I don't believe he ever played for the Ravens- my understanding is Carolina drafted him in '05, released him in '06 and we signed him to the practice squad in Oct '06?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 6, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

I think although the hype around Minni is well granted on paper...I still don't see them making it to the Super Bowl. I think Chilly is on the hot seat, and he is trying to go all out. But the biggest thing I question is, does Farve still got it? There season is in Farves hands. He is going to be the guy that needs to step up. He can't make all the throws anymore. I think the reason he really wants Moss is so he can throw the ball up in the air. Not all the time is Moss going to catch those. I think he is going to put this team in a bad place by doing that becuase he will have lots of INT's.

On the flip side, now that Randy is a Vike again, I think the Skins really need to sign McNabb to an extend contract. If Mc5 even gets a shot at being a Vike next year he will take it. But as I said before, one thing many are not saying is Childress is on the hot seat. I don't think Mc5 would think about going there if Chilly isn't there.

Posted by: roccoskins | October 6, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

if I were a fantasy football guy, I might dump welker, becuase I feel like his production might start to tank....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2010 8:33 AM

If you were also a fantasy guy, you might consider picking up Brandon Tate.

Welker becomes the go-to guy, he likely gets double-teamed.

Brandon Tate steps in and takes Randy Moss' starting space as the outside deep threat. With Welker doubled, that leaves Tate with opportunities 1 on 1. And this kid has speeed.

There's your fantasy sleeper for the week. Pick him up now; by week 8, he could be a breakout fantasy stud.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse


There is no "go to" guy anymore.

Pats offense reverts to pre-Moss days when Brady was spreading it around to a whole host of #2 receivers like Patten, Brown, Givens, Branch, etc.

Julian Edelman, Brandon Tate, Aaron Hernandez, Rob Gronkowski all get more involved in the offense.

Woodhead is the new Kevin Faulk.

Posted by: p1funk | October 6, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Reminds me of Eddie Royal, he caught 91 balls his rookie year, which was Shannahan's last year in Denver. Let's make it happen!

Posted by: monk811 | October 6, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Well Art, you should know your WRs...chance this kid gets a mid-season promotion to the show? I'd say 50-50

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 6, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

And he will do it. Childress is like Jim Zorn with the luck of a ton of talent on his roster.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 6, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse


Childress is a non-factor. Brett favre runs the offense, calls the plays, and (apparently) makes personnel decisions.

Childress simply has the best seats in the house to watch the game.

Posted by: p1funk | October 6, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

I agree with both of you that this years team is about finding the 22 starters for 2011.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 6, 2010 10:08 AM

...and a punter.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 6, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

I agree with both of you that this years team is about finding the 22 starters for 2011.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 6, 2010 10:08 AM

...and a punter.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 6, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse


...and maybe a quarterback.

What's the word on that extension?

Posted by: p1funk | October 6, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

And I don't believe he ever played for the Ravens- my understanding is Carolina drafted him in '05, released him in '06 and we signed him to the practice squad in Oct '06?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 6, 2010 10:12 AM


His NFL.com profile has him in Baltimore for at least part of the '06 season.

sw999, you need to study up on the 3-4 buddy...Rocky Mac would get eaten alive as an OLB in a 3-4. Dude should be a WLB in a Tampa 2, and you wanna play him basically as a DE? Greg Blache is gone, hoss...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Why did we waste four games? Everyone in the league knew that Carter was a bad fit for the defense....

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Reminds me of Eddie Royal, he caught 91 balls his rookie year, which was Shannahan's last year in Denver. Let's make it happen!

Posted by: monk811 | October 6, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Well Art, you should know your WRs...chance this kid gets a mid-season promotion to the show? I'd say 50-50

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 6, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I'd say it's greater than 50-50, maybe closer to 75-25. Do the math:
1. Devin Thomas - Stranded on 'Coache's Sh*tlist Island'
2. Joey Galloway - Will eventually run a go-route, fall down, and break a hip
3. Roydell Williams - Who??? He still on the team?

That leaves Tana and AA. I say Austin get's called up right around the bye week, either just before or just after.

Posted by: monk811 | October 6, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

pfunk, don't get all Wise on us dude...#5 ain't going anywhere.

For the life of me, I don't know why we haven't signed Hunter the Punter yet...better punter, better holder, better passer, better runner than Bidwell. This should be a no-brainer...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Ok hamsters, need Survivor Pool advice...

Indy, Atlanta, Cinci, or San Diego?

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 6, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Where's KaneoheSkinsFan?

Does anybody know of a good place to watch Redskins' games on Oahu or Maui? I am going to miss Packers and Dolts.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 6, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas stars in "Stranded on Coaches Sh*tlist Island"

Posted by: monk811 | October 6, 2010 10:25 AM

Possible reality show monk?

Posted by: PlayAction | October 6, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Should trade Carter to the Titans since there rookie DE D. Morgan tore his ACL

Posted by: Gussneck | October 6, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

VJ to the Skins before the trade deadeline for a 4th and a 6th....

Book it....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 6, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

4th just when I think you can't get any dumber, you go and do something like this.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 6, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

That leaves Tana and AA. I say Austin get's called up right around the bye week, either just before or just after.

Posted by: monk811 | October 6, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

I'm down...I guess Shanny wanted to see if the two old guys could give us anything first. I'd love to see Austin up, Roydell out. I still think Galloway has a little in the tank and can be a great mentor for the youngsters at the very least.

If DT or MK can give us something, ANYTHING next year, this could be a very solid stable of WRs all under 25 (except Tony Strongarm)

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 6, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Quick thoughts from Keim:

1. Andre Carter needs to play more end...a play from the fourth quarter shows why. He lined up at left end in a 4-3 look (three DL, one LB up tight). As he came off the ball, Carter stayed low enough that when he engaged the tackle, he was able to explode a little and play with more power. He used a hand slap to get around him. Though Albert Haynesworth drew a holding penalty on the play, Carter had beaten his man. The next time he went to linebacker and rushed, Carter stayed too high and his hand slaps – his strength – had no impact on the tackle. Barely moved him. Going back to the preseason, I can count on one hand the number of times his hand slaps have helped him as a linebacker. The guy is an end; keep Lorenzo Alexander as the starting OLB and use Carter in situations where he can do what he does best. Sort of the point, isn’t it? One thing I used to love about Gregg Williams is that he found what guys did best and used them accordingly.

2. Why not Randy Moss? Yes, the Redskins need receiver help. But the reason they couldn’t get Vincent Jackson is the same reason they couldn’t get Randy Moss. They don’t have the ammo in the upcoming draft to pull it off. Read this item in Peter King’s Monday Morning Quarterback column that explains why. It's not a revelation; this stuff was already known. But it is a reminder. Guess they could have surrendered a second-round pick for him (leaving them with four picks in April), but is this team one receiver (albeit a great one) away from being a contender? It definitely would have made them a playoff contender, but they still have too many holes to be anything but that. At some point the Redskins need to start worrying about the future, too. They need to start adding picks, not surrendering them. When the season goes to 18 games, old teams won't survive.

3. Why not Devin Thomas? The Redskins don’t like him as a receiver and never will. Period. There are enough people who share this opinion of him around the league that I’m not going to think they’re nuts. Sometimes guys are just good athletes who can play football; other guys are good receivers who are good athletes. I’d put him in the former category. Anyway, it’s their right to dislike his WR skills and it’s why he won’t be here next year. But I can’t believe that there’s no way to get him on the field for a couple snaps. There’s not a route that he runs or a couple plays in which he could help? I understand you don’t want to tip off the defense, especially if they know you’ll only run certain routes with him in the game. But they used Brandon Banks on two plays in the red zone. Surely the defense knew something was up with him, right? And is Roydell Williams really that far ahead of Thomas? Give Thomas credit for playing hard when he’s in the game. He had two excellent blocks on punt returns. By the way, if Moss goes for a third-round pick, I’d be stunned if the Redskins got anything above a seventh for Thomas.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Can't trade Carter, its in his contract.

Repeat-

Posted by: alex35332 | October 6, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Buchannon has got to go. Give Barnes a chance to collect flags.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 6, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse


PlayAction = fake the handoff and pass the ball down field

AA is going to be an effective target Sunday, and play action will be a big part of that

Cook It !

Posted by: hessone | October 6, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas stars in "Stranded on Coaches Sh*tlist Island"

Posted by: monk811 | October 6, 2010 10:25 AM

Possible reality show monk?

Posted by: PlayAction | October 6, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Sure, with Albert Haynesworth making a guest appearance!

Coming on right before Ebonics Nation, starring Carlos Rogers, and following Loose Lips of the Atlantic, starring Chris Cooley as Captain Loose Lips, a big mouth pirate getting his 'crew' in trouble with his big mouth.

All new shows will be on FOX, so they will be STUPID and are doomed to fail.......

Posted by: monk811 | October 6, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

brown, the latter half of #3 is kind of what I've been saying for about 4 weeks now...which has caused certain people to piss and whine like crazy...but now that Keim is saying it...maybe some folks will give it some thought....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

AC99- cut. He can't be traded, unless he approves it...

DT11- top ten returner in the league.... could be bait....

DT n a 2012 4th conditionall to a 3rd for VJ83....

Randy frggin moss????

We gotta sign d mac, philly wanted moss too for mcnabb, now moss in minny.... with AP...... n that defense..... again, we gotta resign d mac...

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | October 6, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

AC99- cut. He can't be traded, unless he approves it...

DT11- top ten returner in the league.... could be bait....

DT n a 2012 4th conditionall to a 3rd for VJ83....

Randy frggin moss????

We gotta sign d mac, philly wanted moss too for mcnabb, now moss in minny.... with AP...... n that defense..... again, we gotta resign d mac...

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | October 6, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Should trade Carter to the Titans since there rookie DE D. Morgan tore his ACL

Posted by: Gussneck | October 6, 2010 10:30 AM
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If Carter was going anywhere, I think the Titans, Panthers or the Bears would be likely landing spots.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 6, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

I'm surprised there hasn't been any trade whispers on R Dougherty or C Horton to the Colts. They're down two safeties and still in the hunt with a D that can keep it close. Or am I missing something here.

If we could unload just one of those guys for a fourth I'd be down with that.

Posted by: Devo2 | October 6, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Should trade Carter to the Titans since there rookie DE D. Morgan tore his ACL

Posted by: Gussneck | October 6, 2010 10:30 AM


They don't wanna give us more than a 4th for AH and you think they'll offer us something worthwhile for AC? Doubt it...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

"Childress simply has the best seats in the house to watch the game."

With all that being said, two truisms are evident already at game 4/5 of the NFL season:

Pittsburgh, NE, Ballmer, Jets, and KC are the best AFC teams.

Nawlins, Atlanta, ? are the class of the NFC.

Is MINN is that group?

I say they that like the cowboys, they have a great roster, but not a great team.

The AFC will win the Super Bowl, and the Vikes won't be in it.

Kindle it!!!

(I mean, "Book it!!")

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Although this guy is 29 and 5ft 10, ESPN insider had a rumor up saying that the Bill WR Lee Evans may be on the trading block. Should we go after him? He is a quality guy, but not that tall.

Posted by: roccoskins | October 6, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Lorenzo Alexander provides operational evidence that this team is well run. Years past Lorenzo would have been restricted because he didn't have experience - a self-fulfilling prophecy that limited Alexander's grow. And sure, the prior coaches let Alexander dabble here and there at the fringes, but when it came time to actually use his INTELLIGENCE and QUICK STUDY to make the team better, Lorenzo was left on the sidelines.

It is readily apparent that the 2010 Redskins are a team of operational auditions - veterans were given the slots to start the season and when they are languishing, younger players are being inserted. And problematic players are being forced to face the truth - the system is the system and you either adjust to the system or you don't play.

Back in training camp, the Fat Albert circus was a case of tough love - Albert whined and Coach Shanny sent him back to the corner to suck his thumb and to contemplate his millions. Fast forward to week four and suddenly Fat Albert has a role and is making an impact. What remains to be seen is whether this is the one or two games Fat Albert shows up to play each year or if it is a cause to celebrate that the Mustang had his will and spirit broken and has now joined his team on the purpose to win instead of getting the stats.

For 2010 we don't have the pieces to make us the glamour winner. But we do have the pieces, assuming the conviction of the players' spirit to the cause, to string enough games together at the end to make a season of transition into something truly special. This team will rise and fall to its competition level, and if that is the case, Dallas could be the destination in a truly special and delicious reward for hard work. Green Bay will provide a welcome challenge to see if backbones have been formed, if tenacity for victory has been found, and if the will to win has infected each pore of underachieving player.

Posted by: laserwizard | October 6, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Can't trade Carter, its in his contract.

Repeat-

Posted by: alex35332 | October 6, 2010 10:40 AM
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Yes, and Carter has said he would be willing to waive that clause in the right situation. Getting to be a full time starter elsewhere might be the "right situation".

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 6, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Can't trade Carter, its in his contract.

Repeat-

Posted by: alex35332 | October 6, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Can trade Carter, he said he'd be willing to waive the no-trade clause.

Repeat-

Posted by: monk811 | October 6, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

PlayAction = fake the handoff and pass the ball down field

AA is going to be an effective target Sunday, and play action will be a big part of that

Posted by: hessone | October 6, 2010 10:42 AM

Hess!! Shanny explicitly said no leaking out his game plan! Come on!

Can't wait for NERD Burkes statistical analysis piece...shouldn't be long now...can't wait!!!

Monk...you're too much.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 6, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Greg, I like Keim but I don't agree 100% with EVERYTHING he says...I get the sentiment to play DT, I really do. I just don't think it's too much to ask him to have a good week of practice and EARN it. Just throwing him out there because he's young and muscular is the idiotic stuff Zorn used to do...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Although this guy is 29 and 5ft 10, ESPN insider had a rumor up saying that the Bill WR Lee Evans may be on the trading block. Should we go after him? He is a quality guy, but not that tall.

Posted by: roccoskins | October 6, 2010 10:54 AM
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Geesh, what are the Bills doing? Trading every player they have? BTW, wouldn't take Lee Evans but if they are having a yard sale, I thought David Nelson looked good in the preseason. He's 6'5", 217 pounds and knows how to use his body to shield defenders... I'd give them DT and a bag of chips...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 6, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

RSH

"...Carter has said he would be willing to waive that clause in the right situation. Getting to be a full time starter elsewhere might be the "right situation".


A play off type team that plays the 4-3 is the right situation for him.

But moving him after the season ends, is the best situation for us.

Again: AH and AC are two attractive trading chips, despite concerns about age and attitude.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I'd take Lee Evans in a heartbeat. Talk about an underused talent that's been hamstrung by the worst management in the league. Wouldn't give up more than a 4th for him though.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Just read that the Vikings got Randy Moss back in exchange for a 2011 3rd round pick.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 6, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

We gotta sign d mac, philly wanted moss too for mcnabb, now moss in minny.... with AP...... n that defense..... again, we gotta resign d mac...

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | October 6, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

good point. this year is part rebuilding/eval for the future, but also part "win now". if we don't contend and McNabb jets for Minny, that would be very bad for us. if we can continue to stay in the hunt, I think he will sign a 2-3 yr extension with us. that will give us time to groom his successor and still be a viable contender while the whippersnapper gets up to speed.

this is a very big year for us in a couple of senses.

HAIL

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 6, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Although this guy is 29 and 5ft 10, ESPN insider had a rumor up saying that the Bill WR Lee Evans may be on the trading block. Should we go after him? He is a quality guy, but not that tall.

Posted by: roccoskins | October 6, 2010 10:54 AM


Only if it gets done for a 7th round pick...or straight up for DT.

And let's get off size...our best WR is small and he makes plays. I'd rather have an "undersized" WR that can play instead of a big WR that can't run a route.

MK and DT for Evan straight up. Bills might actually be that crazy...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if the little man on Donovan McNabb's shoulder is whispering even louder now.

"In 2011 you will sign with the Minnesota Vikings, in 2011 you will sign with the Minnesota Vikings, in 2011 you will sign..."

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | October 6, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

RSH

"...Carter has said he would be willing to waive that clause in the right situation. Getting to be a full time starter elsewhere might be the "right situation".


A play off type team that plays the 4-3 is the right situation for him.

But moving him after the season ends, is the best situation for us.

Again: AH and AC are two attractive trading chips, despite concerns about age and attitude.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2010 11:06 AM
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I agree that this won't happen before the trade deadline, but I am not going to underestimate the powers of the GM who brought us McNabb, J. Brown, and that kid Torain everyone is talking about. Shanahan won't take less than his asking price, but there are some 4-3 teams that could use Carter today, and not all of the idiots left management chairs when Vinny left...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 6, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

brown, I'm not saying give him a pass, but its from everything we've heard, its like there is no hope with DT and this coaching staff, so what was the point in keeping him on the roster?? We're starting to see some roster mistakes that MS has made, LJ making the team, AC starting...

re-read the first line, "The Redskins don’t like him as a receiver and never will. Period"

So why bother keeping him on the roster?? Why not cut him?? Kind of doesn't make sense, and plays into the stubbornness of Shanny....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Monk...you're too much.


Posted by: PlayAction | October 6, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

That's what my lady friend said last night when I snuck her into the monastery....

Posted by: monk811 | October 6, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

NOW the Moss trade makes sense (if this is true):

Sources: Moss was becoming a distraction in New England
Posted by Mike Florio on October 6, 2010 11:03 AM ET
Multiple sources tell us in the wake of the deal that sent receiver Randy Moss from the Patriots to the Vikings for a third-round pick that the trade became a necessity because Moss was becoming an in-house distraction for the Patriots.

Per one source, Moss "was pissing [coach] Bill [Belichick] off at every turn." The source opined that Belichick wouldn't have given Moss to Minnesota for a third-round pick unless Belichick knew that keeping him could hurt the team.

As another source explained it, some players were becoming more and more frustrated with Moss, who reportedly asked for a trade after his Week One postgame tirade regarding his perceived lack of appreciation, based on the actual lack of a contract extension.

That said, other players in the locker room liked Moss and had no problem with him. Still, if enough of them had enough of Moss and if Belichick was indeed growing weary of dealing with the downside of a guy Belichick didn't plan to bring back in 2011, the move makes plenty of sense.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Well, it's a moot point now, but should the Skins have offered the Pats a 2011 third round pick for R. Moss?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 6, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

We gotta sign d mac, philly wanted moss too for mcnabb, now moss in minny.... with AP...... n that defense..... again, we gotta resign d mac...

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | October 6, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse


We need to re-sign DMac...

...not to mention Jamaal Brown, possibly Carlos Rogers and Rocky macIntosh, and we need to extend Laron Landry at some point.

We need to develop some receivers. Signing a VJax or Randy Moss is just a throw-back to Vinny days - giving a big payday to someone else's greedy diva.

Lee Evans is intriguing, but I think he's got a hefty contract. Definitely could be a dowfield threat to complement Moss, who could play more in the slot.

Posted by: p1funk | October 6, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I'd take Lee Evans in a heartbeat. Talk about an underused talent that's been hamstrung by the worst management in the league. Wouldn't give up more than a 4th for him though.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

DT str8 up for Evans...please?? We get a proven vet; they get a young, talented guy who seems to need a new start. He went to Michigan St (for a yr), he can deal with the cold. Do it, DO IT.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 6, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

If DT is not traded, he will be on the field some on offense after the trade deadline.

Why have we still heard nothing on Portis' MRI?

Posted by: HokiesSkins | October 6, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

That's what my lady friend said last night when I snuck her into the monastery....

Posted by: monk811 | October 6, 2010 11:11 AM

I was wondering what that 6 minute break in your posts last night was all about haha

Posted by: PlayAction | October 6, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I don't think we have a 3rd rounder - and no way in ache ee double hockey sticks we would want that guy here.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 6, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Distraction or not, the Moss trade made sense.

BB was not going to extend him - I think that was a forgone conclusion; so get some value for him instead of letting him walk for free.

Tom Brady won 3 Superbowls without needing an elite #1 WR to throw to, and they're going to go back to spreading the ball around.

Since Brady has already been locked up in an extension he can piss-n-moan all he wants to about losing Moss (which I'm sure he will), but it's not leverage any more in a real negotiation.

Posted by: p1funk | October 6, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone else agree with me in saying that the League will have to open up discussions regarding changing teams within some of the divisions?

How in the world is the NFC West comparable to any other division in the league? It's not!

The NFC West will be won with an even or losing record. Something needs to happen.

My first order of business is removing the Dallas Cowboys from the NFC East and placing them in the NFC South. Either the Falcons or the Bucs come to the Beast.

Thoughts anyone? I know this doesn't really fix the NFC West issue but I believe the East is way too stacked, and not only that but the Cowboys are the only team in the league that is placed in a division that is completely irrelevant to it's geographical location.

I know this is because the Cards used to be in the Beast, but why did the league make the switch with the Cowboys?

Anyone's input would be grand, trying to spark some new and different conversation here.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | October 6, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Only if it gets done for a 7th round pick...or straight up for DT.

And let's get off size...our best WR is small and he makes plays. I'd rather have an "undersized" WR that can play instead of a big WR that can't run a route.

MK and DT for Evan straight up. Bills might actually be that crazy...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2010 11:09 AM |
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Size does matter when you are down near the goal line. Wouldn't you like to see a fade that actually worked? I don't dispute that Moss is productive, but how big of a contributor is he in the red zone offense? I don't know how many TD catches he gets inside the red zone, but I guarantee it is a small percentage of his overall TD catches. And make no mistake about it: Shanahan likes a big possession receiver in his offense. Guys like McCaffrey, Walker, and Marshall didn't just magically appear on his roster...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 6, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone else agree with me in saying that the League will have to open up discussions regarding changing teams within some of the divisions?

How in the world is the NFC West comparable to any other division in the league? It's not!

The NFC West will be won with an even or losing record. Something needs to happen.

My first order of business is removing the Dallas Cowboys from the NFC East and placing them in the NFC South. Either the Falcons or the Bucs come to the Beast.

Thoughts anyone? I know this doesn't really fix the NFC West issue but I believe the East is way too stacked, and not only that but the Cowboys are the only team in the league that is placed in a division that is completely irrelevant to it's geographical location.

I know this is because the Cards used to be in the Beast, but why did the league make the switch with the Cowboys?

Anyone's input would be grand, trying to spark some new and different conversation here.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | October 6, 2010 11:22 AM |

I think you're on crack if you think the NFL is going to breah up the NFC East rivalries. Never happen. They would never break up Minny, Green Bay, and Chicago either.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Carters not an OLB, huge surprise!

New Soup, 2 for 11 for 10 yds in the 2nd half, take that Old Soup

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 6, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Besides - NFC East could have a losing record champion, too... could...

This argument has been around forever. Literally. It wont make a difference as long as there are real $$ making matchups to be had.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 6, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone else agree with me in saying that the League will have to open up discussions regarding changing teams within some of the divisions?

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | October 6, 2010 11:22 AM
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I think we could see some shuffling of the deck in a couple of years if they add a franchise in LA. The league wants 18 games in a season with a new labor contract in place first.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 6, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

New Soup, 2 for 11 for 10 yds in the 2nd half, take that Old Soup

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 6, 2010 11:28 AM |

Old soup 2nd half, bench.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Brandon Tate beetches!! Grab him off of the waiver wire now. U-N-C! Go Heels! Go!

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 6, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

So why bother keeping him on the roster?? Why not cut him?? Kind of doesn't make sense, and plays into the stubbornness of Shanny....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2010 11:11 AM


Seems to me you keep him for the same reason why guys like Dock and Heyer are still here...because you can't replace EVERYBODY in one year. If I'm Shanahan, I'd rather have DT for depth and special teams than starting over with some undrafted slappy off the street. At least that's what I assume...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Lo-Ax is the man--anyway and anyhow--get him on the field and yea man a fine example of only needing hungry hard working dudes in lieu of prima dona overpriced and overrated high picks......trade them high picks for low picks unless there's a no brainer. Although I wonder if Lo-Ax would better serve as an ILB instead of Outide...? Set MCintosh--former high pick--down and then work in another hard working hungry dude at OLB: Cwilson!

Posted by: tabtool | October 6, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Size does matter...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 6, 2010 11:23 AM

Jimmy Johnson agrees with you

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 6, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

There's no way Dallas is moved out of the NFC East... and I wouldn't want to them to be.

Beating the Cowpies is always a beautiful thing, and I wouldn't want to lose that.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 6, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

brown, big difference, Dock and Heyer play/have played...Shanny refuses to give DT any time....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Pats rumors.....hearing rumors that the 3rd pick and Logan Mankins are rumored to be traded for a top flight WR. Wondering if it is VJ.

Posted by: Gussneck | October 6, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

gus, Mort was on the local talk radio, and said that the pats weren't interested in VJ...who knows....Mankins is a great guard...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Bigfoot

I have frequently tried to re-draw the maps for NFL alignment.

My big thing these days when I redraw the maps usually has to do with expansion and I also like to put the old NFL franchises back in their correct divisions. To me the Steelers, Browns and Colts all need to be back in the NFC.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 6, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Size does matter when you are down near the goal line. Wouldn't you like to see a fade that actually worked? I don't dispute that Moss is productive, but how big of a contributor is he in the red zone offense? I don't know how many TD catches he gets inside the red zone, but I guarantee it is a small percentage of his overall TD catches. And make no mistake about it: Shanahan likes a big possession receiver in his offense. Guys like McCaffrey, Walker, and Marshall didn't just magically appear on his roster...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 6, 2010 11:23 AM


I don't doubt that Shanahan does...all I'm sayin' is that you don't absolutely HAVE to have a big WR to compete. Steelers won SBs AFTER Plax left town. The Redskins of the 80s didn't really have big WRs outside of Monk and even then I don't think they went batsh*t crazy throwing fades to him.

We've got not one, but TWO solid receiving TEs. If the goal line is what worries you, then get them the ball there.

Besides...isn't chasing guys with size and no skills how we're in this position now? I'd give up DT and MK's size for DeSean Jackson and Eddie Royal's skills in a heartbeat...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

New Soup, 2 for 11 for 10 yds in the 2nd half, take that Old Soup

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 6, 2010 11:28 AM
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Old soup: riding the pine on the way to defeat in Oakland, New soup: scrambling for first downs and not making any stupid mistakes while on the way to a victory over the Eagles

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 6, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Really pisses me off that we didn't at least try to go get Moss...

1. We could have had the Sandy and Randana Moss show at WR

2. We could have gotten 5 years younger at the position.

I'm very angry about this...

Posted by: dchandl3 | October 6, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

It's easy really...build up a dynasty, and then trade off your great players before anyone else realizes they're not great anymore. Use the acquired picks to select your next wave of great players.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2010 10:07 AM


Yep. One of the big financial mags (believe it was Fortune or Forbes) did an article a few years back contrasting the Patriots' method with the Redskins', looking at the results, and showing how NE was doing pretty much everything smart and right and how we were doing almost everything dumb and wrong.

Brownwood encapsulated the Pats' success in one sentence.

Pretty much every guy on that team who's not named Brady is expendable. And it will be interesting to see what happens when Brady approaches the end of his serviceable years. I'm guessing he bows out gracefully and retires when the time comes.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 6, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I have frequently tried to re-draw the maps for NFL alignment.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 6, 2010 11:42 AM

You're a very busy guy alex...didn't you draw up plans for the new indoor practice facillity as well?

Posted by: PlayAction | October 6, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

brown, big difference, Dock and Heyer play/have played...Shanny refuses to give DT any time....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2010 11:38 AM


Granted...but Dock and Heyer don't have 3 guys ahead of them on the depth chart either. DT does.

I don't know, dude...seems to me there's more to this than we know. The only thing we know for sure is that DT isn't holding up his end of the bargain...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Really pisses me off that we didn't at least try to go get Moss...

1. We could have had the Sandy and Randana Moss show at WR

2. We could have gotten 5 years younger at the position.

I'm very angry about this...

Posted by: dchandl3 | October 6, 2010 11:46 AM |

We've gotta stop giving away picks if we're ever going to get in position to start making trades that make sense. I'm not tore up about this. We are NOT a superbowl contender and adding Moss doesn't change that.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

You're a very busy guy alex...didn't you draw up plans for the new indoor practice facillity as well?

Posted by: PlayAction | October 6, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Its what I enjoy doing when i get board. I blame all the time I spent playing madden as a kid... right as a kid.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 6, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Love how many on here want to give up draft picks for this guy or that guy when we have a team that is not one or two players away from the SB.

My guess is those same hamsters will be crying at draft time about the lack of picks.

Now that the mentality has changed at redskins park RI hamsters need to follow.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 6, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

What, barefoot @Dulles doesn't cut it, PA?

...It worked last weekend.

Acutally, I think quirky sjk like that jolts a team to perform closer to their potential. It's about tricking the mind not to think conciously, just automatically. A quicker way to route.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 6, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Not a regular poster here but has anybody heard anything about extending McNabb? I just assumed with all the talk after the trade it was essentially a done deal. Donovan himself said he wanted to retire a Redskin yet he's still not signed. If we lose him after 1 yr this organization is in a lot of trouble. We have NOTHING that resembles a starting QB outside of DM. It's not like we're grooming an Aaron Rodgers or Kolb or anything like that.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | October 6, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Love how many on here want to give up draft picks for this guy or that guy when we have a team that is not one or two players away from the SB.

My guess is those same hamsters will be crying at draft time about the lack of picks.

Now that the mentality has changed at redskins park RI hamsters need to follow.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 6, 2010 11:52 AM

You know, with all the b!tching and moaning about all the stupid ass trades we've made over the last 10+ years, wasting picks and money, you'd think the mentality would have changed around here years ago. Some people just don't get it. They want to do the same stuff that kept us sub par for years.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I was wondering what that 6 minute break in your posts last night was all about haha

Posted by: PlayAction | October 6, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Haha funny guy, who says when I came back I was done? I can 'multitask' if you know what I mean!!!

Posted by: monk811 | October 6, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Big, what you think of this as a set up?

Skins, Giants, Eagles, Cowboys
49ers, Rams, Cardinals, Saints
Packers, Lions, Vikings, Bears
Falcons, Steelers, Browns, Colts
Patriots, Bills, Jets, Dolphins
Chiefs, Texans, Jaguars, Bucks
Seahawks, Raiders, Chargers, Denver
Panthers, Titans, Ravens, Bengals

Posted by: alex35332 | October 6, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Besides...isn't chasing guys with size and no skills how we're in this position now? I'd give up DT and MK's size for DeSean Jackson and Eddie Royal's skills in a heartbeat...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2010 11:42 AM
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So wouldn't I, but that doesn't support that size doesn't matter. It just supports the fact that Vinny was an idiot. I agree you can get by with smallish receivers, but I think third downs and goal line offenses are much easier to run when you have a big possession receiver.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 6, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

McNabb talked yesterday on the radio about how he wants to stay here he has purchased a house and has a lot going on with local charities. He said he wants it and believes it will get done.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

What, barefoot @Dulles doesn't cut it, PA?

...It worked last weekend.

Acutally, I think quirky sjk like that jolts a team to perform closer to their potential. It's about tricking the mind not to think conciously, just automatically. A quicker way to route.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 6, 2010 11:53 AM

Maybe alex can design one like an airplane hangar then?

Posted by: PlayAction | October 6, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Think the Pats might be just a wee bit active during the next draft. They now have two picks in each of the first four rounds according to Schefter. By trading Moss rather than letting him go in FA and receiving a 3rd round comp pick they get a 3 rounder that they can trade if they want = more flexibility. They could be scary for a long time if they use the picks wisely.

Posted by: skinswest | October 6, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2010 11:59 AM

That was before Moss to Vikes.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 6, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 6, 2010 11:33 AM

Shhh!

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 6, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 6, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Carters not an OLB, huge surprise!

New Soup, 2 for 11 for 10 yds in the 2nd half, take that Old Soup

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 6, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

You still don't like punctuation, talk like a child, and have a bad attitude!
Huge surprise!

Did I forget anything? Oh yeah, you're still a d*ck!

Posted by: monk811 | October 6, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Some people just don't get it. They want to do the same stuff that kept us sub par for years.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2010 11:56 AM


Exactly right...I'm starting to think there's a faction of fans that actually miss Vinny. They want the SB glory but don't wanna engage in any of the mundane stuff you've gotta go thru to get it...

RSH, what I'm saying is that it's about skill set and not size...the Panthers throw fades to Steve Smith all the time. Dude out jumps bigger players all the time. He's 5'9" but plays like he's 6'2". I'd be happy getting a guy like that instead of chasing guys who are 6'4" and don't have the goods...

Flound, good point on McNabb...that's why it runs me nuts when people insinuate that he's one and done here...dude isn't just SAYING that he'll be here, he's ACTING like he's gonna be here. AH could stand to take a few notes on how DMac handles his business...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

and not making any stupid mistakes while on the way to a victory over the Eagles

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 6, 2010 11:46 AM |

Dude - you must have nodded out when (a) McN hit the DB on the numbers with his intercept and (b) ran out of bounds when the Skins needed to drain time off of the clock.

Posted by: BlackBagOps | October 6, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Haha funny guy, who says when I came back I was done? I can 'multitask' if you know what I mean!!!

Posted by: monk811 | October 6, 2010 11:58 AM

You da man monk...now if you can throw eating into the mix there...then that would be something!

Posted by: PlayAction | October 6, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

first to say Thinker_ hires illegals to mow his lawn

Posted by: hessone | October 6, 2010 6:39 AM |

Wrong friendo - he gets MistaMow to do it.

Posted by: BlackBagOps | October 6, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

By trading Moss rather than letting him go in FA and receiving a 3rd round comp pick...

Posted by: skinswest | October 6, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse
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Mentioned before, but apparently ignored: Compensatory picks are awarded based on FA's lost vs. FA's gained. Only if they replaced Moss with someone from draft or practice squad would they get consideration for a 3rd. On TOP of that, there are only 32 such picks available, so they aren't guaranteed squat.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | October 6, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2010 11:56 AM

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I with you on this. Anyone saying we should have made a run for Moss needs to leave RI immediately. He's about the same age as McNabb, and IMO receivers endure more wear and tear. The priority should be getting younger, not older. Moss is a diva (and we all know how that worked out for McNabb in Philly) and he is also expensive.

How does one not recognize that (hypothetically) the Redskins making a run for the veteran Moss fits a pattern of failure that has defined the entirety of Snyder's ownership?

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | October 6, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Eff everyone who says we're not SB contenders this year. After we torch GB on Sunday (the best team in the conference other than us), you all will be singing a different tune.

Championship!

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of the trade for the Vikings...when Rice returns, look at their lineup:

QB: Brett Favre
RB: Adrian Peterson
WR1: Randy Moss
WR2: Sidney Rice
WR3: Percy Harvin
TE: Visanthe Schiancoe

That's an incredibly talented team on paper. Plus that defense? They could be unreal if firing on all cylinders.

Is Brad Childress the luckiest coach on the planet? You'd have to try to lose with that team.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2010 9:45 AM

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well you forgot to factor in the fact that they have Grampa Favre, one big hit on him may actually retire him without any press conference required. He looks and plays tired this season

Posted by: datruth21 | October 6, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm taking Belichick with me next time I buy a car. He trades a fourth for Moss. Uses him to his max. Then trades him for a third.
That's how you're team stays good.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 6, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

McNabb talked yesterday on the radio about how he wants to stay here he has purchased a house and has a lot going on with local charities. He said he wants it and believes it will get done.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Floun (and Brown) - I tend to agree he's leaning towards staying if the price is right, but of course he's going to say that - he's barely been here 6 months, played 4 games and we're in 1st place. It would take a horrible start for him not to be "saying the right things". That said, he is a character guy and not surprisingly he is involved in the community, and I do think he'd love a chance to stick it to Philly for 2-3 more years. His future here depends largely on the next 4-6 weeks; if we're above .500 and still in contention come mid-late Nov, I think it gets done. If we're in the cellar, Minny may look a lot better.

Right now my odds are 70-30 that he re-sgins with us. However I'd be surprised if it gets done before Week 10, and it wouldn't surprise me if it isn't done until after the season.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 6, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Eff everyone who says we're not SB contenders this year. After we torch GB on Sunday (the best team in the conference other than us), you all will be singing a different tune.

Championship!

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2010 12:15 PM |

Put the crack pipe down

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

I agree Bellichick is gonna be a heck of a GM when he stops coaching.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 6, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Eff everyone who says we're not SB contenders this year. After we torch GB on Sunday (the best team in the conference other than us), you all will be singing a different tune.

Championship!

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2010 12:15 PM


Way to go all Howard Dean on us, dude...I knew this sounded familiar...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yshnhEHBtO4&feature=related

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Haha funny guy, who says when I came back I was done? I can 'multitask' if you know what I mean!!!

Posted by: monk811 | October 6, 2010 11:58 AM

You da man monk...now if you can throw eating into the mix there...then that would be something!

Posted by: PlayAction | October 6, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Dudes, you're creeping me out...you're taking "Skins" blog to a whole new, troubling level...

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 6, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

You da man monk...now if you can throw eating into the mix there...then that would be something!

Posted by: PlayAction | October 6, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

I think there was eating involved in there too!
Oh, you mean food. Sure, I'll see what I can do!

Posted by: monk811 | October 6, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 6, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

So the Vikes gave up a 3rd round pick for Moss.
I hope the 'Skins aren't expecting more than a ham sandwich on stale bread for DT11.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 6, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

"It's easy really...build up a dynasty, and then trade off your great players before anyone else realizes they're not great anymore. Use the acquired picks to select your next wave of great players.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse"

Simple maybe, but certainly not easy.

Funny thing is this is what Shanahan was known for in Denver, to a degree. Particularly when it came to runners. he would raise backs from out of nowhere, make them one-hit wonders, then trade them off like it was nothing.

He even used to pull the old "I'll give you a second this year for your first next year" type deals (*cough* Vinny *cough*).

Time will tell if he can get in that pattern again with the Skins.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Well there is definitely a transition of players going from incumbent starters to the bench, and for good reason: Derrick Dockery, Andre Carter, Haynesworth...

Next up to hit the pine: Rocky McIntosh(Sloppy Tackling), Clinton Portis(Always Hurt), Mike Sellers(Missing Blocks and Cant Catch)..

Posted by: MDZ28driver | October 6, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

you don't yap off about the patriots in the press and get away with it. the hoodie got him out of there quick, fast, and in a hurry

Posted by: miked4 | October 6, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Anyone see the Wizards last night? They are going to be a lot better than people expect. Wall is the shiznit.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 6, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

why don't skins try to get moss? we need a big target and and moreover this will motivate mcnabb to throw the bombs down the field more often. Mr. Danny time to show some money moves now...

Posted by: redskin4ever | October 6, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Eff everyone who says we're not SB contenders this year. After we torch GB on Sunday (the best team in the conference other than us), you all will be singing a different tune.

Championship!

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2010 12:15 PM |

Put the crack pipe down

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

The NFC East is the weakest division in football this year. I expect the Skins to go 6-0 in the NFC East, going 6-10 for the season.

Posted by: jboogie1 | October 6, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

congrats, i like to see people get promoted when they do well and deserve the promotion

Posted by: retroskins14 | October 6, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse


"Now for the trifecta"

"Spicccy Mustard!"

Posted by: withoutanet | October 6, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I'd definitely have traded a fourth rounder for Moss. Maybe even a third. The pluses? We need a big possession receiver for those red zone situations. Fact is we are not doing well down there. I see the value in building from the draft and at the same time know that could be a three to four year strategy with all the needs we have. AA isn't ready yet (and isn't out jumping anyone at 6') and MK is out for the year. We'd get two or three decent years out of Randy...about the same as McNabb and we'd be a guaranteed contender for as long as those two were here. I'm not leaving RI because I think that. When you watch Wes Welker become the invisible man for the rest of this season you'll see why I think it's a decent trade. Randy and Santana together is a mis-match for every secondary in the NFC east - yup even the Packers. They'd make Flavor Flav look like Johnny Unitas. McNabb would be unstoppable. Period. Few players make others around them better, he's one of the few. And this years NFC east is weeeeeeak. We'd win it for sure with Moss squared. If we pick a few busts in the draft next year - which is inevitable - I hope to look back at the Heath Schuler we have and think about the Randy Moss we could have had.

Posted by: 20yrskinfan | October 6, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

So a player gets promoted based on performance and not the size of his contract, what a novel concept!

Thats how you win in this league, young hungry nobodies, not big name stars. Anybody watch the Pats-Fins game? Guys I've never heard of were flyin' around making plays. The only star that mattered was the QB.
Now the Pats are about to trade arguably their biggest name on the roster. Why? Because management recognizes that the only time they actually won the Super Bowl was when you couldn't name their starting wideouts or RB's.

Posted by: Predator48


So it wasn't because they cheated?

Posted by: Rep281 | October 7, 2010 12:57 AM | Report abuse

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