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Moore, Armstrong starting well

The Redskins have held four weeks of practices in May and June, a far cry from the regular season or even training camp and preseason. But two players have made good early impressions during organized team activities at Redskins Park.

Third-year safety Kareem Moore has impressed on the defensive side of the ball, earning increased reps with LaRon Landry absent for many of the workouts and still coming back from a toe injury. A 2008 sixth-round selection out of Nicholls State, Moore is entering his third year in the league and could be in the mix for playing time, especially as the only true free safety on the roster.

For now, though, Moore is focused on learning defensive coordinator Jim Haslett's new 3-4 defense, which requires more versatility at safety.

"Coach Has brought a new defense in and it's just bananas," Moore said. "That's what I call it. It's just crazy. One time we might be in [cover] zero, the next time in three-deep. You just got to go out there and whatever he calls, make him believe we can play."

Moore said part of his improved play has come under the tutelage of safeties coach Steve Jackson. After two years of learning to be a professional, Moore said Jackson told him to get back to just playing.

"I feel like I'm more comfortable," Moore said. "One thing that helped me out was that Coach Jackson was just like, 'I know you got the ability to do it, just make plays and don't worry about nothing else.' So I've just been trying to carry that with me."

On the other side of the ball, wide receiver Anthony Armstrong has distinguished himself among a large group of receivers fighting for a spot on the roster.

Washington clearly has identified receiver as a position of need going into this season. There are 12 here in camp, including several veterans such as Joey Galloway and Bobby Wade. But Armstrong, who has had practice squad stints with Miami and Washington, has made several plays during OTAs, including hauling in a deep touchdown pass from quarterback Rex Grossman Thursday.

"When I was waived in Miami I made a vow to myself I wasn't going to get cut again and I would do anything and everything I could to make sure I don't get cut," Armstrong said. "...If I get a chance to make a play I need to capitalize and do that. If you don't make plays, they're going to start cutting your plays out of there."

At 5-11, Armstrong is not a big target receiver but he has shown decent speed and an ability to be in the right place at the right time. It's part of a focus that the former Arena League receiver said he knows is necessary in order to make an impression on the coaching staff.

"I know that being in the league you have to be able to be consistent as well as effective," Armstrong said. "So if you can't run the right route or do the right thing, you're not going to even get a chance to play."

Armstrong said he has done all he can to soak up advice from receivers coach Keenan McCardell and veterans such as Galloway, Wade and Santana Moss. "I'd be completely stupid not to," he said.

So far, Armstrong has done enough to make himself known to Redskins Coach Mike Shanahan.

"Anthony has done a good job," Shanahan said. "He does have some speed, he's made some very big plays for us thus far and he's right in the mix."

By Paul Tenorio  |  June 15, 2010; 7:00 AM ET
Categories:  3-4 defense , wide receivers  
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Comments

A surprise at WR, woo-hoo!!

Anybody talking about Logan Mankins up here?

Posted by: stevek20147 | June 15, 2010 7:10 AM | Report abuse

The skins need a number one receiver and Moss ain't it. Glad to hear about Moore; god, too much I think how much we were cheated because of the Sean Taylor murder. If we got a brandon marshall type receiver our offense would be much much better.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 15, 2010 7:12 AM | Report abuse

If Armstrong can play special teams, sounds like he's a good bet to make the roster. Shanahan has done well with guys like Armstrong in the past (Rod Smith, anyone?)...hopefully that history can repeat itself here.

stevek, see the last thread about Mankins...there was a fair amount of talk about him last night/early this morning.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 15, 2010 7:19 AM | Report abuse

Thanks brownie.

Posted by: stevek20147 | June 15, 2010 7:22 AM | Report abuse

If we got a brandon marshall type receiver our offense would be much much better.


Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 15, 2010 7:12 AM


No doubt...I still don't get why we didn't make a run at Boldin with the asking price so low, but that ship has sailed. Hopefully one of these guys shows up this year or we can find a stud WR in next year's draft. I just hope we can get a standout WR before the wheels fall off the McNabb gravy train...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 15, 2010 7:23 AM | Report abuse

It going to be nice to see a 3-4 defense that plays more outside press coverage. Last year Blatche was content on giving up the short routes mostly because Laundry could not be trusted over the top. From what little I saw last year I would trust Moore as the FS, Landry needs to move up cover some intermediate routes etc. This is what a lot of people thought last year anyway, the team is now playing to the strengths of the talent it has. Excellent now lets execute, be smart and most importantly Landry STUDY THE PLAYBOOK! (I get the feeling he's not to big on film study)

Posted by: MajorFacemask | June 15, 2010 7:34 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of WRs, footballoutsiders has just published its annual Drop Rates (once known as the "Braylon Edwards Trophy"). Braylon's done much better with the Jets, so the field is open again. Here are the five players with the worst drop rates:

Donald Coats, TE Cin: 22.6%
Darius Heyward Bey, WR Oak: 17.1%
Ahmad Bradshaw, RB NY: 16.7%
Brandon Jacobs, RB NY: 16.1%
Lance Long, WR KC: 15%

The QBs get some of the blame for this, of course. Brent Celek had a breakout season in total receptions for the Iggles, but also led in total drops; McNabb bears some of the responsibility for both. It's hard to imagine that Bradshaw and Jacobs could be that bad at screen passes without some contribution from Eli. And Heyward Bey was
catching balls from Jamarcus Russell.

You can check out the Skins receivers if you want...

Posted by: Samson151 | June 15, 2010 7:41 AM | Report abuse

Samson, how does a QB bear some responsibility for a receiver's drops? To me, "drops" refers to catchable balls that the receiver fails to catch. If that's the case, the QB would have nothing to do with that stat whatsoever.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 15, 2010 7:51 AM | Report abuse

It going to be nice to see a 3-4 defense that plays more outside press coverage. Last year Blatche was content on giving up the short routes mostly because Laundry could not be trusted over the top. From what little I saw last year I would trust Moore as the FS, Landry needs to move up cover some intermediate routes etc.

Posted by: MajorFacemask | June 15, 2010 7:34 AM
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I don't agree with Blache giving up the short stuff because of Landry's play. Landry was playing free safety: he had deep coverage anyway in Blache's over-under scheme. Blache had the corners playing well off the line of scrimmage, but this had nothing to do with Landry. He occasionally had London Fletcher playing ten yards back from the line of scrimmage, as well, but this had nothing to do with Landry's play, either. In fact, I think blache kind of messed Landry up by giving him too much turf to cover deep. He tried to make Landry be Sean Taylor and there was only one Sean Taylor. Landry couldn't measure up. With a system that has more realistic expectations for Landry, I think he'll be great. In the meantime, it's good to hear that Moore is stepping up. I think he wins this job as the only legitimate free safety on the team.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 15, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Why do we always sign receivers who either are aging or are under six feet tall?

Posted by: stwasm | June 15, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Samson151,
Thanks for the ehads up on dropped passes. There's an interesting stat on Westbrook: never dropped one pass last year. Maybe Washington should sign him and move him to receiver...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 15, 2010 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Why do we always sign receivers who either are aging or are under six feet tall?

Posted by: stwasm | June 15, 2010 8:02 AM


Because young, tall, productive receivers are few and far between. And when someone has one, they tend to keep him.

So basically the same reason why it's hard to get a franchise QB or an elite pass rusher.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 15, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

"If Armstrong can play special teams, sounds like he's a good bet to make the roster."


Until guys get in pads and get hit, this is all talk.

My thinking continues to be that the team will get more value out of C Cooley and F Davis used as 'big' receivers than any of the 12 guys fighting for roster spots.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 15, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

"Why do we always sign receivers who either are aging or are under six feet tall?"


Last season, we had two 6'2" plus receivers on the roster:

Malcolm Kelly

Marko Mitchell

Perhaps you've never heard of them.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 15, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Offer someone to the Patriots in a trade for Logan Mankins, their disgruntled pro-bowl guard, but no draft picks.
Belichick isn't as wise as he used to be.

Posted by: Gibbs4Pres | June 15, 2010 6:11 AM

My first thought for the trade would be Clinton Portis for Logan Mankins. But at this point, I'm reluctant to let CP go, well, just because he's too valuable right now. I love the potential of him playing with Shanny again. As for tackle help, we got good unsigned vets out there- Flozell Adams and Levi Jones.

Posted by: RedCherokee | June 15, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

I get what you're saying about the TEs Moe, but for the sake of argument, here's the 12 WRs we have:

13 Armstrong, Anthony
18 Austin, Terrence
16 Banks, Brandon
85 Furrey, Mike
84 Galloway, Joey
83 Hagans, Marques
80 Hodge, Shay
12 Kelly, Malcolm
89 Moss, Santana
11 Thomas, Devin
19 Wade, Bobby
87 Williams, Roydell

Barring unbelievable production in preseason/training camp, you can expect to see Hagans, Williams, Hodge, Galloway, and Banks gone. So now there's 7. Moss is a possiblity to miss the first 2-4 games of the year and Malcolm Kelly stays no better than 50/50 to be hurt. So going into Week 1, you don't think there's a good chance our depth chart looks like this:

Thomas
Wade
Kelly
Furrey
Armstrong
Austin

Wow...I just felt a cold shiver...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 15, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Thrash, Cartwright, and Marcus Mason, for Mankins, and the Pats 2nd round pick. Anything less, and they're ROBBING us blind.

No possible way the Celts are allowed to play tonight, refs will get either KG/Rondo, or Pierce 2 quick fouls and give the Lakers the advantage. David Stern, wants this to go 7.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 15, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

My first thought for the trade would be Clinton Portis for Logan Mankins. But at this point, I'm reluctant to let CP go, well, just because he's too valuable right now. I love the potential of him playing with Shanny again.

Posted by: RedCherokee | June 15, 2010 8:25 AM


CP is coming of IR and one of his worst seasons as a pro. I doubt they'd give us a Pro-Bowl lineman in exchange for a back whose remaining productivity is more likely measured in games rather than years.

Even still, I disagree that CP is "valuable"...I mean, the Denver rushing attack is proof that CP ISN'T valuable, since they didn't miss a beat when they traded him here. Plus the system lends itself to turning late round picks/undrafted slappies into stars. I'd be willing to bet we could roll with Ryan Torain this year and still get the same production CP would give us.

But just to play "Madden GM" a minute, if the Pats would go for a CP/Mankins trade straight up I'd hurry up and pull the trigger before they realize they just got fleeced.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 15, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Barring unbelievable production in preseason/training camp, you can expect to see Hagans, Williams, Hodge, Galloway, and Banks gone. So now there's 7. Moss is a possiblity to miss the first 2-4 games of the year and Malcolm Kelly stays no better than 50/50 to be hurt. So going into Week 1, you don't think there's a good chance our depth chart looks like this:

Thomas
Wade
Kelly
Furrey
Armstrong
Austin

Wow...I just felt a cold shiver...

Posted by: brownwood26

If it plays out that way, I don't see how Terrell Owens isn't wearing a 'skins uniform.


If it were to play out that way, they would need T.O. in a 'skins uniform.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 15, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

If it plays out that way, I don't see how Terrell Owens isn't wearing a 'skins uniform.

If it were to play out that way, they would need T.O. in a 'skins uniform.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 15, 2010 8:42 AM


This is exactly why I've been up here crowing for us to get him.

Trust me...I would LOVE to not need him, but we do.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 15, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

No possible way the Celts are allowed to play tonight, refs will get either KG/Rondo, or Pierce 2 quick fouls and give the Lakers the advantage. David Stern, wants this to go 7.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 15, 2010 8:36 AM


Yeah, Stern and everyone else outside of Boston...

I think your Celts show up ready and the only way they lose tonight is if the fix is truly in.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 15, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Samson, how does a QB bear some responsibility for a receiver's drops? To me, "drops" refers to catchable balls that the receiver fails to catch. If that's the case, the QB would have nothing to do with that stat whatsoever.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 15, 2010 7:51 AM | Report abuse

Brown, if you counted all drops that include 1 hand off the finger tip drops than I think the QB gets some blame.

And yes the Skins may have the worst receiving corps in history.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 15, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

brownwood26

Thomas
Wade
Kelly
Furrey
Armstrong
Austin

"Wow...I just felt a cold shiver..."


That's a group that, on paper, doesn't inspire fear.

But with what we have at tight end, they kinda, sorta don't have to.

Two tight end sets mean that your number 1 receiver is going to be on the field split wide, and running deep a lot to open things up underneath.

It would follow, then, that the number 2 receiver behind Moss is the spot of most interest as that guy will start in the event of any kind of suspension #89 may receiver.

Too, a 3/4 wide look--what most NFL teams feature--is when your wr gets exposed for all the world to see.

(Our obvious advantage is that we could still use a te as a receiver.)

That means the proper depth chart should look like this come Labor Day weekend:

Moss
Thomas
Kelly
Furrey
Austin?
Armstrong?

The team could put Austin or Armstrong on the practice squad.

And we must factor in having a quarterback who can put the ball in spots where these so-so receivers can make dynamic plays.

And that fact alone should ease the shivers you have and warm your thoughts about the passing game.


Posted by: MistaMoe | June 15, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

"if the fix is truly in"

brown, 6 games worth of revenue, or 7 games worth of revenue??

David Stern isn't about to allow an entire 7th games worth of revenue to escape his grasp....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 15, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

My first thought for the trade would be Clinton Portis for Logan Mankins.

Posted by: RedCherokee

I am curious if they'll trade Clinton Portis for Darrell Revis. Maybe get a 5th back from the Jets...

Posted by: RedDMV | June 15, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

"I think your Celts show up ready and the only way they lose tonight is if the fix is truly in."


The Lakers' bench and Pau Gasol will do its best to win tonite.

L Odom must show up as something other than a celebrity husband.

Other than getting Gasol going, R Artest should play the 'triangle' better to increase his scoring.

Right now, Artest's lack of scoring is making it a '4 on 5' game for the Celts.

And some Laker player must find a solid outside shot.

Otherwise, the good people of Boston will have yet another World Champs parade to pay for.

And they've had enough of those already.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 15, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

The Lakers' bench

Bigfoot

Abomidable Snowman

Lock Ness Monster

"Otherwise, the good people of Boston will have yet another World Champs parade to pay for.

And they've had enough of those already"

Bite your tongue, we haven't had one since 2008.....we're DUE!!!

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 15, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Damn Red, the editors are holding a nice MJ/Kobe post I prepared for you this morning....

Posted by: Rypien11 | June 15, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

I want to think the Lakers will win.


I think Stern in a "F U" move tells the refs to give Boston all the calls.


Thus giving the appearance that Stern doesn't care if it goes seven or not.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 15, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

"I am curious if they'll trade Clinton Portis for Darrell Revis. Maybe get a 5th back from the Jets..."


You are aware that D Revis is one of the league's best.

And you'd be hard pressed to say that about Portis.

Revis' cover skills allow the jets top notch defense to do what it does best.

Plus, with Shonn Greene and L Tomlinson, and a great offensive line, why would the jets want Portis?

Now, Nick Mangold, the excellent jet center who also wants a big pay day, is a player worth making a move for.

I'd move AH straight up for Mangold in a heartbeat.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 15, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

I love your optimism Moe, and I'll admit your analysis makes sense. It's just that as a Redskins fan, it's hard to trust that the Xs and Os moving well on paper will translate to the field the same way.

I remember thinking the same thing you're saying when Al Saunders rolled into town. "He had #1 offenses with Tony Gonzalez at TE and the poo-poo platter at WR...he can do the same here with Cooley!" As we all know, it didn't quite work out that way.

The other factors in place (mostly Shanahan as HC and McNabb at QB) are better than they were under Saunders, but you get why I'm worried...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 15, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Thanks to whoever posted the link to the Haynesworth interview from Sirius. Doesn’t sound like he’s disgruntled, and they threw out a lot of bait for him, and he didn’t bite. Sounds like he’s going to come into camp in great shape and be ready to play. Looking forward to reading about it over the next few days. Also looking forward to AH being one of the best DL’s in the league, as a REDSKIN! YEAH!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 15, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

"A 2008 sixth-round selection out of Nicholls State, Moore is entering his third year in the league and could be in the mix for playing time, especially as the only true free safety on the roster."

Again you never, ever, draft a safety with a top ten pick.

Never.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | June 15, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

"Washington clearly has identified receiver as a position of need going into this season. There are 12 here in camp..."


So far, it seems the following positions of need were identified going into the season:

Head Coach & staff: replaced
QB - traded
OL - top LT drafted
RB - old guys added to the roster
WR - old guys added to the roster

... and that's just the offense! That many broken pieces on offense, with just a few draft picks going into the season?

If this offense is actually better than last year's, I will consider Shanahan an unequalled genius. Is anyone really going to blame Shanahan and McNabb if the offense doesn't get the job done this year?

Posted by: Alan4 | June 15, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Now, Nick Mangold, the excellent jet center who also wants a big pay day, is a player worth making a move for.

I'd move AH straight up for Mangold in a heartbeat.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 15, 2010 9:11 AM


I'll agree that I would LOVE to get Mangold in burgundy and gold (see what I did there?), but there's no way AH would be part of a deal. The Jets run the 3-4 (and do so better than anyone) and would run into the same issue with him that we have. Barring an unexpected injury, I think the best possible deal for him would be a straight up swap of AH and Richard Seymour. AH gets to be the centerpiece of a 4-3 and Seymour gets to go back to being a 3-4 DE. Win/win.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 15, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Wow.

All the stuff they were writing about Austin: the commitment to achieving perfection, the focus on running the right routes and always being in the right spot, the single-minded determination to make the big play when the opportunity comes his way, the soaking up of wisdom from experienced vets - I was hoping they'd be writing that about DT and MK.

I hope that's their mindset as well...

Posted by: edvar | June 15, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Again you never, ever, draft a safety with a top ten pick.

Sean Taylor say's hello, and debunks your theory above.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 15, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Is anyone really going to blame Shanahan and McNabb if the offense doesn't get the job done this year?
Posted by: Alan4 | June 15, 2010 9:23 AM

I think you could safely count on a TON of folks who would blame them. QB’s always get the blame in the NFL. Just ask Jason Campbell.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 15, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

consider these two posts:

"David Stern isn't about to allow an entire 7th games worth of revenue to escape his grasp...."

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 15, 2010 8:54 AM
............
and
............

"I think Stern in a "F U" move tells the refs to give Boston all the calls.

Thus giving the appearance that Stern doesn't care if it goes seven or not."

Posted by: RedDMV | June 15, 2010 9:10 AM
.....................

hahahaha...wow...conspiracy theory much? you guys have created a scenario wherein NO MATTER WHO WINS you can maintain the conspiracy theory.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | June 15, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

I remember thinking the same thing you're saying when Al Saunders rolled into town. "He had #1 offenses with Tony Gonzalez at TE and the poo-poo platter at WR...he can do the same here with Cooley!" As we all know, it didn't quite work out that way.

The other factors in place (mostly Shanahan as HC and McNabb at QB) are better than they were under Saunders, but you get why I'm worried...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 15, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse
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Hindsight is 20/20, but perhaps Saunders success in KC had more to do with having one of the great lines of the last decade rather than having a seasons worth of plays in his cap.

Additionally, Saunders failure in DC likely had more to do with the clash of identity between him and Gibbs rather than his playbook being overly complex.

No doubt your causes of concern are well founded, because scenario A won't manifest itself until the line proves itself, and scenario B could easily manifest itself if two Shanahans don't make an offense.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 15, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

If this offense is actually better than last year's, I will consider Shanahan an unequalled genius. Is anyone really going to blame Shanahan and McNabb if the offense doesn't get the job done this year?

Posted by: Alan4 | June 15, 2010 9:23 AM


I don't know about being an "unequalled genius"...it's not like he's got a high school team here. He's got Pro-Bowlers at QB and TE, and a few solid starters. The bar isn't very high...if this team gets 20 points a game, it's a marked improvement.

Plus you have to remember that Shanahan has a track record for doing more with less. Remember his starting WRs during their SB years? Rod Smith and Ed McCaffrey. Smith was undrafted and McCaffrey was a late round pick. They weren't good overnight, but I think we could finally have a coaching staff that actually develops their players.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 15, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

I think you could safely count on a TON of folks who would blame them. QB’s always get the blame in the NFL. Just ask Jason Campbell.

This is what I fear. If this team doesn't succeed quickly enough, how long before we get back on the New Coach/New QB carousel?

We have no up-and-coming offensive players at all, save possibley Fred Davis.

The instability is killing this team. McNabb is leaving a system he was in for 11 years, and he's very likely to take a beating this year.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 15, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

IMO Saunders success in KC was due to the OL and having Trent Green playing QB.
Also, for this year’s offense, I was thinking about what Mcnabb has on our offense that is different than what Campbell had last year and it essentially boils down to a rookie at LT (assuming he starts). And maybe Larry Johnson instead of Betts. Other than that, nothing is different (we still don’t know who will be starting at RT, and there is really no depth anywhere except TE). So essentially we have to hope that three things prove out to be true:
1. Campbell really did suck and Mcnabb is a huge upgrade.
2. Coaching/playcalling will be a huge upgrade which leads to more points.
3. Trent Williams is the answer at LT, and the rest of the line is actually worthy of playing time.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 15, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

I think Saunders lack of success can be heavily attributed to Gibbs conservative leanings and JC 17's short comings at QB.

Look at how well the O flourished with Toddball in there. The ball came out quicker, he made the correct reads, the chains kept moving and the points rolled in. Campbell couldn't make good decisions fast enough (pre-read?) Todd's arm strength finally caught up with him, but it was a fun ride.

...Sort of reminded me of the last season we had Trent Green in their instead of that doofus Ferrotte. Suddenly, Turner's O was fun to watch and seemed to work.

Saunder's O worked just fine with the right QB.

Posted by: edvar | June 15, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Again you never, ever, draft a safety with a top ten pick.

Sean Taylor say's hello, and debunks your theory above.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 15, 2010 9:26 AM


While his talking in absolutes with "never, ever" stuff is loud wrong, the idea of not taking a safety that high is generally enforced by most NFL GMs. The thought is, if you're picking that high you probably have more pressing needs than safety and you can get a good one later in the draft.

So while ST was an exception to the rule, the rule tends to be right in most cases.

(See Landry, Laron)

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 15, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Non-football related post. I would like to congratulate the DMV for its outstanding rankings yet again in the overall rankings of schools by Newsweek.

197 of the top 1622 schools hauling in an impressive 12.15% of the rankings
13 of the top 100 schools (you can do that math yourself)

Not bad for a region that only holds .6% of the US population.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 15, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Ed McCaffrey was a beast -- at blocking. He KO'ed more DB's than anyone in the league.

If CP, et.al. are going to have a good year running the ball, then the Redskins big WR's have to block well downfield. I seem to remember seeing good things from Kelly. What I'd really like to see is some Ed McCaffrey, old school, lay-em outs. Like Limas Sweed in the SB.

The thing that worries me is McNabb. All those years at Philly, I got the impression the dude was soft. Huddling up at the SB during the 2 min drill, getting happy feet. Sports hernias, abdominal pulls, etc. Hell he played so bad 2 years ago he got benched.

Maybe this year he's totally motivated to show up Reid and the Eagles fans who hated him since Day 1. I hope so. And if he has a running game, which he didn't in Philly, maybe he'll be a much better QB.

Posted by: dpc2003 | June 15, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Why are so many people talking about how we should sign T.O.!? I'll admit I liked the guy back in his 49er days when all I knew about him was that he was dancing on the cowboys star to humiliate them. That was pretty awesome. But his stints with Philly and Dallas have destroyed any positive feelings I had for him. Not to mention Mcnabb absolutely despises him, no matter what he tells the media. It was hard enough to adjust my perceptions and feelings about Mcnabb after his years with the enemy, and he is a class act with several years of top production left. TO is a whiny idiot who doesn't have anything left in the tank. If we did this to McNabb I dont think he would re-sign with us either. There are other answers out there, no need to get desperate. There are several teams that get by with good qbs and bad wrs, such as Tennessee and Bmore last year. Have some dignity Redskins fans. Just say no to T.O.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | June 15, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Saunder's O worked just fine with the right QB.

Posted by: edvar | June 15, 2010 9:41 AM

That's where stability comes in. If your assessment is correct, why not hire Saunders as HC after Gibbs left? Maybe JC17 would have looked better during his second and third years in the system, or maybe Saunders would have found a QB he liked better.

Martyball worked, too, for half a season. Maybe it would have worked if he stuck around longer.

It's difficult to defend Zorn, because I thought Saunders or Gregg Williams should have stepped in at Head Coach. But I think it's safe to say that changing offenses ever year or two does not enable a QB, or an offense, to succeed.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 15, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

The thing that worries me is McNabb. All those years at Philly, I got the impression the dude was soft. Huddling up at the SB during the 2 min drill, getting happy feet. Sports hernias, abdominal pulls, etc. Hell he played so bad 2 years ago he got benched.

Posted by: dpc2003 | June 15, 2010 9:48 AM


Even when McNabb was an Eagle I hated this crap...the dude is asked to win games basically by himself and gets them to one SB and 5 conference title games. And HE'S the guy you're worried about?

He bears some of the blame for their shortcomings and has his issues, but he's a damn good QB and better than people give him credit for. I'm not worried about #5 at all because he'll have two things here he never had in Philly: a running game and a coach with a dedication to it.

Worry about the line. Worry about the receivers. Don't worry about 5.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 15, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Have some dignity Redskins fans. Just say no to T.O.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | June 15, 2010 9:49 AM


I don't see where dignity comes into play...especially when A) we have no control over whether the team actually signs TO and B) we already have the likes of Larry Johnson and Albert Haynesworth here.

TO had every reason to turd out in Buffalo and didn't. That tells me he might actually be past all the d-baggery that got him run outta Philly and Dallas.

Besides...anyone who shames the Dallas star is always welcomed here in my book.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 15, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

The thing that worries me is McNabb. All those years at Philly, I got the impression the dude was soft. Huddling up at the SB during the 2 min drill, getting happy feet. Sports hernias, abdominal pulls, etc. Hell he played so bad 2 years ago he got benched.

Posted by: dpc2003 | June 15, 2010 9:48 AM


Is he an upgrade over Jason Campbell?

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 15, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Thrash, Cartwright, and Marcus Mason, for Mankins, and the Pats 2nd round pick. Anything less, and they're ROBBING us blind.

No possible way the Celts are allowed to play tonight, refs will get either KG/Rondo, or Pierce 2 quick fouls and give the Lakers the advantage. David Stern, wants this to go 7.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 15, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

I hate you BeantownGreg1, I hate you.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | June 15, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

I think it's safe to say that changing offenses ever year or two does not enable a QB, or an offense, to succeed.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 15, 2010 9:57 AM |

True dat.

Posted by: edvar | June 15, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

...I'm not worried about #5 at all because he'll have two things here he never had in Philly: a running game and a coach with a dedication to it....

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 15, 2010 9:58 AM

Let's be fair... Brian Westbrook went to a couple of Pro Bowls and put up decent numbers (rushed for over 1200 yards twice) over this decade despite not being used as a traditional running back. Terrell Owens helped McNabb put up his best numbers ever in 2004.

Also, the Eagles had pro-bowl quality offensive tackles on both sides of the line (Jon Runyan, Tra Thomas) for the decade.

McNabb was excellent, but I wouldn't say he was doing it alone.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 15, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Last season, we had two 6'2" plus receivers on the roster:

Malcolm Kelly

Marko Mitchell

Perhaps you've never heard of them.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 15, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse


Ummm...How could you forget to add Devin Thomas? He's 6'2 and 218lbs. By far not small for a wide receiver.

Posted by: eazy413 | June 15, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

TO has lost a step and hasn't lost any of the ego. There's no way the Redskins take him. Now, do they need a big body at receiver? Yes. Maybe they trade AH or AC for one, or maybe MK pans out after all, but TO is not the answer. The team has other options as well like getting Sleepy Davis to trim down and play receiver. There was this guy with the last name of Sharpe that seemed to do real well as a hybrid receiver / tight end in one of Shanny's previous offenses.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 15, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Besides...anyone who shames the Dallas star is always welcomed here in my book.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 15, 2010 10:05 AM

Here! here! here! (best British accent).

F Dallas

Posted by: smokeybear2 | June 15, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Come on Tenorio, put my post up!

Posted by: Rypien11 | June 15, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

IMO Saunders success in KC was due to the OL and having Trent Green playing QB.
Also, for this year’s offense, I was thinking about what Mcnabb has on our offense that is different than what Campbell had last year and it essentially boils down to a rookie at LT (assuming he starts). And maybe Larry Johnson instead of Betts. Other than that, nothing is different (we still don’t know who will be starting at RT, and there is really no depth anywhere except TE). So essentially we have to hope that three things prove out to be true:
1. Campbell really did suck and Mcnabb is a huge upgrade.
2. Coaching/playcalling will be a huge upgrade which leads to more points.
3. Trent Williams is the answer at LT, and the rest of the line is actually worthy of playing time.
Posted by: dlhaze1

Scary thought is that McNabbs were not all that much better than JC's were last year.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 15, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | June 15, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

McNabb was excellent, but I wouldn't say he was doing it alone.


Posted by: Alan4 | June 15, 2010 10:21 AM


The first couple of NFC title game appearances, he mostly did.

And he's taken the team to a title game without one of the guys you listed at least once.

While I don't necessarily think he can carry a team by himself like he did early in his career, he certainly doesn't need the level of help that JC needs.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 15, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Is he an upgrade over Jason Campbell?

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 15, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

In a west coast offense yes.

If you were to build an offense around both to help their strong suits then I think the race is a lot closer.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 15, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Is he an upgrade over Jason Campbell?

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 15, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

In a west coast offense yes.

If you were to build an offense around both to help their strong suits then I think the race is a lot closer.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 15, 2010 10:46 AM
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A warm bowl of porridge behind center would be an upgrade over Campbell. Luke warm. Maybe even a little chilly.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 15, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

posse, sniff, sniff, quit yer whining....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 15, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

OK RedSkinHead,

"TO has lost a step and hasn't lost any of the ego."

First of all, if you show me a WR without an ego, I'll show you a guy who shouldn't be starting on an NFL team. Art Monks no longer exist for the most part...the guy closest to him in demeanor would have to be Andre Johnson and you see what his offseason has been like. Most WRs are divas, that's a fact of life.

I saw TO's interview on NFL Total Access a couple weeks ago and he appears to be a different guy than he has been in years past. And if that wasn't enough for you, just look at his Buffalo tenure. Worst situation he's seen in his career and yet was on the best behavior of his career. He had all the reason in the world to turd out and he didn't. He knows the end is near and he's handling himself accordingly.

"Maybe they trade AH or AC for one, or maybe MK pans out after all, but TO is not the answer."

Even if Kelly is a player, he can't stay healthy. Can't count on a guy who can't stay on the field.

And don't you think that if it were as simple as "trade AH or AC for one" that Shanahan would have done that by now? I mean, they were looking for ANYONE to step up and nobody bit. The fact of the matter is big, supremely skilled WRs are rare and the people who have them are going to keep them or make you pay thru the nose to get them. That and AH isn't the trading chip people up here think he is.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 15, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Is he an upgrade over Jason Campbell?

Posted by: Original_etrod

I guess we are going to find out. He is basically playing with the same team as JC. He does have the advantage of having a better coaching staff. I am not expecting much out of McNabb this year or ever in a Skins uniform. Shanahan's success is always due to a strong Oline and running game. Unless he is a miracle worker it will be a few years before he gets that fixed. If Shanahan is a better offensive mind than Reid it is only by a slim margin. McNabbs numbers have been declining in Philly for the last 4 years. He is not the something out of nothing QB he was in his early years and that is really what the skins need the next couple of years.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 15, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

"Samson, how does a QB bear some responsibility for a receiver's drops? To me, "drops" refers to catchable balls that the receiver fails to catch. If that's the case, the QB would have nothing to do with that stat whatsoever.Posted by: brownwood26"

I wondered the same thing. The geek explanation is that the drop rate is based on the percent of times the receiver is the primary target for the pass (which excludes throws with no clear intended receiver).

The league average was at 5.7% in '09, 5.9% in '08. Guys like Heyward-Bey may not have as many passes thrown their way, but when they come, they often drop them. If the QB is off-target, or throws to the wrong side of the receiver, or fastballs his short passes, that can certainly contribute to drops. In Philly, for instance, fans insist that McNabb was responsible for many of the drops, particularly on short throws.

They also have a category called 'unforced errors', which includes the receiver who's uncovered or in what's called 'the hole in the zone' (HiZ). For instance, DeSean Jackson dropped four of those last season, unusually high for a WR. He blames McNabb's throws.

Not surprisingly, TEs and RBs are more prone to drops. One notable exception: Brian Westbook. You can see why Shanahan wants the guy, concussion or no. He catches everything. And being a RB, knows what to do with it once he does.


Posted by: Samson151 | June 15, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

And he's taken the team to a title game without one of the guys you listed at least once.

While I don't necessarily think he can carry a team by himself like he did early in his career, he certainly doesn't need the level of help that JC needs.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 15, 2010 10:46 AM

McNabb arived in 1999. Tra Thomas arrived in 1998. John Runyan arrived in 2000. McNabb has always had strong support at the OT positions.

As for comparisons between what level of support McNabb needs at this stage of his career vice a younger JC17, we shall most certainly find out. The answer might surprise us all.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 15, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Ryp, they won't allow you to post a link?

Posted by: RedDMV | June 15, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

"The Jets run the 3-4 (and do so better than anyone) and would run into the same issue with him that we have."


Let's have a moment of clarity here, folks.

Any player who is under contract must perform under the terms of same.

So it really doesn't matter if AH--of any other player for that matter--doesn't like the scheme he is to perform in.

He must do as he's been told or find himself traded, on the bench, fined, or held in breach of contract.

All this, "Haynesworth doesn't want to play nose tackle in a 3-4" talk is just that.

Dude will be a monstah for us or whomever he plays for this season.

And that's not talk.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 15, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Good explanation, Samson. That's why I hate the drop stats because it seems like it includes a bunch of stuff not related to on-target drops.

I mean, can you REALLY pin it ALL on the WR if he can't make an adjustment on a pass that's thrown behind him? Or at his feet? Or a foot over his head? A guy catching that makes him elite...but IMO, failing to doesn't necessarily mean he's got a case of the dropsies.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 15, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Thomas
Wade
Kelly
Furrey
Armstrong
Austin

Wow...I just felt a cold shiver...

Posted by: brownwood26

Good analysis, unfortunately. This may leave Armstrong longing for the halcyon days of depth and skill sets he was surrounded by at receiver in the Arena League.

Posted by: TheCork | June 15, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

About McNabb vs Jason Campbell: Jason could really blossom this season in Oakland, or he could struggle with the rest of the offense. It all depends on that running attack. If they can get a lot of traction in the running game, he looks a lot better. Just like we saw in Washington. Jason is effective managing an offense that has viable weapons; he's not the guy to win a game for you on his lonesome.

Shanahan seems to prefer QBs who are playmakers. He's willing to put up with mistakes of aggressiveness as long as the QB converts a reasonable percentage of big plays. Shanahan has had the most success with mobile QBs who can succeed even when outside the pocket and under pressure from the rush -- guys like Elway, Jake Plummer, Jay Cutler, and in SF, Steve Young.

If form holds true, I would expect the Shanahans to establish the running game first.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 15, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

See PAUL FANAIKA got dropped. One less suspect on the o-line.

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 15, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

'I am curious if they'll trade Clinton Portis for Darrell Revis. Maybe get a 5th back from the Jets...' -RedDMV | June 15, 2010 8:55 AM

You are aware that D Revis is one of the league's best.

And you'd be hard pressed to say that about Portis.

Revis' cover skills allow the jets top notch defense to do what it does best.

Plus, with Shonn Greene and L Tomlinson, and a great offensive line, why would the jets want Portis?

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 15, 2010 9:11 AM

Funny how people are always ready to point out and capitalize on stupidity.

The post was a joke, Moe.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 15, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Before the end of the 'all important two day minicamp,' we'd like to toss out possible story ideas:


a. Are Justin Tyron and Kevin Barnes ready for more time on the field?

b. What's the story on some of the back up lineman (Oldenburg? Rhinehart? Robinson? Cook? Capers? and the dude with the name that sounds like a European lite beer?)

c. Is Edwin Williams the best option behind Rabach?

d. Who backs up D Dockery?

e. Just what was so special about the system K Shanahan ran in Houston? Will it work in D.C..?

F. Finally, how has Rex Grossman looked in OTAs? Is he just a coach in uniform?

Just some ideas to chew on as we head into the empty time of no football news to fuel our blather.

As if it needed it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 15, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

don't get me wrong: I think McNabb is a much better QB than Campbell. He's an upgrade, for sure.

Whether he performs better than Campbell depends on if he gets time to throw, and if the Redskins can run the ball. Do those things and 5 is probably headed to the Pro Bowl. Seriously.

For all the props McNabb deservedly got in Philly, the guy that made that offense go was Brian Westbrook. Without him, they had NO running game and McNabb didn't have the receivers or the blocking to make up for it.

Last few years, Redskins keys to beating Philly was to take Westbrook out of the game and make McNabb win it with his arm. It worked for WAS most of the time.

Posted by: dpc2003 | June 15, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Good Stuff, Paul. Keep 'em comin'.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 15, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Good Stuff, Paul. Keep 'em comin'.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 15, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

My bad Alan...thought Tra and Runyan missed more games during that time than they did. So I'll give you that.

Moe, whether or not the extent of his displeasure has been sensationalized by the media, the fact remains that AH wants to be a 4-3 DT and doesn't like the idea of playing in a 3-4 base. So if he's going to avoid camps and sulk like he's been doing here, it stands to reason that won't change if he's traded to another 3-4 team. Nobody wants an unhappy and unmotivated AH (the Redskins included), so his trade value is non-existent unless his destination is a place where the 4-3 defense will feature him.

And the New York Jets aren't that team.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 15, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

"McNabb arived in 1999. Tra Thomas arrived in 1998. John Runyan arrived in 2000. McNabb has always had strong support at the OT positions."

Those are good tackles, but the nature of Andy Reid's scheme meant extra pressure on the QB. For one thing, the club became increasingly reliant on the passing game. For another, Philly was often short on premier receiving talent. You saw the difference TO made during his short sojourn there. Defenses quickly figured out that the best way to battle the Iggles was to blitz them, and they did, often mercilessly.

McNabb held up very well under this pressure. He's actually better outside the pocket than inside (remember Randall Cunningham?) and most of his knuckleballs and off-target throws come on short dump-off passes, not the difficult stuff.

IMO Philly decided to rebuild and wanted to get the most value for McNabb in trade while they still could. They're turning over much of their roster and upgrading their receiver corps. They're also undergoing major personnel changes on defense.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 15, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Are there any big Albert sightings yet?? does he just show up tomorrow? I wonder if he knows where his locker is.

Posted by: dchesnea | June 15, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

posse, sniff, sniff, quit yer whining....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 15, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

lol, you always bring a smile to my hideous, mangy face.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | June 15, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Are there any big Albert sightings yet?? does he just show up tomorrow? I wonder if he knows where his locker is.

Posted by: dchesnea | June 15, 2010 11:27 AM


Should be easy to spot...it's the one stuffed full of Twinkies and strippers...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 15, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

"...sniff, sniff, quit yer whining..."

Obviously, this line has been lifted from the lesbo porno script I've been working on.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 15, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Looks like our old friend #8 is having some issues. From PFT:


Mark Brunell deals with multiple loan defaults
Posted by Mike Florio on June 15, 2010 11:35 AM ET
Veteran quarterback Mark Brunell apparently plans to join the Jets once the rules of the "Final Eight Plan" evaporate on July 22. And for anyone wondering why Brunell has decided to continue playing after capping a lengthy career with a Super Bowl ring finally secured as the backup to Drew Brees in New Orleans, there's a good reason for Brunell's intention to keep playing.

Money.

According to First Coast News in Jacksonville, Brunell and other former Jaguars face multiple lawsuits due to defaulted business loans.

Brunell, Todd Fordham, and Joel Smeenge already have found themselves on the wrong side of a ruling in a Michigan case involving a $1.1 million loan. Another case involving a Jacksonville bank alleges a $2.2 million debt.

The loans arise from failed business projects involving Brunell and the other players. Michael Freed, who represents the players, acknowledges the legitimacy of the $1.1 million judgment in Michigan. "The company [Champion LLC] didn't remain current on the loan and there was no question that our clients were guarantors on that loan, Freed told First Coast News. "There were no defenses that could be raised so we did not contest that."

Freed also acknowledges that Brunell regrets co-signing for the loans. "He wished he didn't sign it, but he did and we're doing the right thing by working with the bank to try to work it out," Freed said.

One way to work it out involves coming up with cash, and one way to come up with cash involves continuing to play football.

Or maybe selling that Super Bowl ring on eBay.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 15, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

You've all overbid. Albert Haynesworth will come in at 330.

Posted by: dcsween | June 15, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

nice post, tenorio. some decent insight into two players about whom casual fans know very little. seriously.

would love to see more of this on RI, and less 48-hour-late recapping of stale and obvious "news."

http://BroodingBurgundy.com
"straight arrows on a crooked warpath"

Posted by: bcarothers | June 15, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

OK RedSkinHead,

"TO has lost a step and hasn't lost any of the ego."

First of all, if you show me a WR without an ego, I'll show you a guy who shouldn't be starting on an NFL team. Art Monks no longer exist for the most part...the guy closest to him in demeanor would have to be Andre Johnson and you see what his offseason has been like. Most WRs are divas, that's a fact of life.

I saw TO's interview on NFL Total Access a couple weeks ago and he appears to be a different guy than he has been in years past. And if that wasn't enough for you, just look at his Buffalo tenure. Worst situation he's seen in his career and yet was on the best behavior of his career. He had all the reason in the world to turd out and he didn't. He knows the end is near and he's handling himself accordingly.

"Maybe they trade AH or AC for one, or maybe MK pans out after all, but TO is not the answer."

Even if Kelly is a player, he can't stay healthy. Can't count on a guy who can't stay on the field.

And don't you think that if it were as simple as "trade AH or AC for one" that Shanahan would have done that by now? I mean, they were looking for ANYONE to step up and nobody bit. The fact of the matter is big, supremely skilled WRs are rare and the people who have them are going to keep them or make you pay thru the nose to get them. That and AH isn't the trading chip people up here think he is.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 15, 2010 10:59 AM
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BW,I usually agree with what you are saying but how can you be so wrong about this guy? TO has always been a good citizen in his first year with a team, and then the meltdown comes. When you tell me he was okay in Buffalo, that's why. As far as the things he says in interviews, the guy has definitely gotten smarter over the years in dealing with the media. He is unemployed right now and he knows teams are thinking about his track record. How else should he sound in an interview if not contrite? As far as his ego, it is not just an ego. It is a big fat Hindenberg sized, bigger-than-the-team-concept sized ego. It always gets the best of him and then he has to start putting down the players around him since he can't believe any of the team deficiencies could be related to him. The guy is a cancer.

I know a trade for a wide receiver would have happened if someone had come knocking with a decent offer, but Shanny/Allen aren't going to take just any offer for Haynesworth. Some DT in a 4-3 will get hurt this preseason and suddenly AH's value will skyrocket. Kudos to the management team for playing the waiting game. And no, they are not going to get Larry Fitzgerald for AH, but they could get a big guy with potential that would be an upgrade over MK.

As far as MK's health, wasn't he in better shape last year? He had receptions in 14 of 16 games. I'll grant you that his knees are suspect, but he did something to dispel that belief last season.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 15, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

the lesbo porno script I've been working on.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 15, 2010 11:39 AM

Friend, it's 2010, and we can't refer to them as "lesbos" ever again. This is unnecessary. They prefer to be called "women who are like men in liking women better than men."

Posted by: Friend2All | June 15, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

samson

"IMO Philly decided to rebuild....They're turning over much of their roster (on offense)... They're also undergoing major personnel changes on defense."


So whose head will roll should the grand scheme to rebuild on the fly fail?

a. Andy Reid

b. Kevin Kolb

c. Mike Vick


Moe goes with 'a' as A Reid is scheming like the arrogant Wily E. Coyote when it comes to his team.

But like with that clueless canine, there comes a moment when the best laid plans go wrong and overreach dooms your efforts.

We have a sense that this Fall might be that time for the iggles.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 15, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

"unhappy and unmotivated".

Based on what I've seen of the professional athlete, a happy player is seldom a motivated player. Shanahan will find a way to turn AH's unhappiness to motivation.

Posted by: dpc2003 | June 15, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

IMO Philly decided to rebuild and wanted to get the most value for McNabb in trade while they still could. They're turning over much of their roster and upgrading their receiver corps. They're also undergoing major personnel changes on defense.

Posted by: Samson151

That's what franchises that are well run do. They stockpile draft picks to bring in young players. They don't trade away picks for aging veterans with the hopes of going from a 4 win team to the playoffs.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 15, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

The Iggles are doing it right. Who was it that said it's better to trade a guy a year too early than a year too late? They got tons of extra picks in 2010, and look at the draft picks they've stocked: extra selections in 4, 5 and 6.


With their roster, I doubt management is looking to contend for a SB this year. Instead, they're aiming for 2012 or 2013. They could finish 6-10 and I doubt anyone's head will roll. The thing they're trying to figure out this year is whether or not Kolb can play, and if Vick can still play. Everthing else is geared to getting their young guys playing time.

Posted by: dpc2003 | June 15, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

I agree with that sentiment, sween. For some reason I got carried away and fell in love with the number 357... the Dirty Harry thing, I guess... hence my high guess yesterday.

But yeah, for some reason I'm taking Albert's word that he's been busting his butt in a real offseason conditioning program and is gonna come in ready to rock...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 15, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

*grunts* *grunts* "AHHHHHH I'm pushing realllllly hard here!!!!" *more grunts* *PLOP!*

Hey! There's Albert Haynesworth! Ohhh, he's not in shape at all.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | June 15, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

ting close to Albert time. Get your predictions in now:


http://redskinsinsiders.wetpaint.com/page/Guess+Alberts+Weight%21%21%21

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 15, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

round happens to be a shape he could be in....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 15, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

I say Albert comes in at a svelt 215 and gets reps at wide receiver.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 15, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

TO has always been a good citizen in his first year with a team, and then the meltdown comes. When you tell me he was okay in Buffalo, that's why.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 15, 2010 11:52 AM


And that's why I've been said to sign him to a one-year, incentive laden deal. A year is all we'd need him for anyway. Nobody's saying to give the guy a 5 year contract.

We can agree to disagree...as I've said all along, I would love for someone to step up and render this discussion moot. I just don't think it's gonna happen.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 15, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse


Moe goes with 'a' as A Reid is scheming like the arrogant Wily E. Coyote when it comes to his team.

But like with that clueless canine, there comes a moment when the best laid plans go wrong and overreach dooms your efforts.

We have a sense that this Fall might be that time for the iggles.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 15, 2010 11:53 AM
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So, you're saying Reid has a big crate in the locker room with "ACME" stenciled on the side and Kolb shows up on the field for the first game with ACME bat wings and a jetpack?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 15, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

That joke is lamer than your one-legged sister.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 14, 2010 8:44 PM |

"It is ice skating and diving that are the gay sports."

You forgot to include being an a-hole troller.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 14, 2010 8:48 PM |

What zingers! Not only was MistaMoeFo on the beat last night, he was also on the beat-down! In my mind's eye I can hear RedDMV furiously scribbling notes to himself in the background, adding these poison darts to his smackdown repetoire.

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | June 15, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

We can agree to disagree...as I've said all along, I would love for someone to step up and render this discussion moot. I just don't think it's gonna happen.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 15, 2010 12:21 PM
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You and I both... it's just that something tells me it is not going to be Anthony Armstrong. He's just the tallest midget right now...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 15, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

TO has always been a good citizen in his first year with a team, and then the meltdown comes. When you tell me he was okay in Buffalo, that's why.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 15, 2010 11:52 AM


And that's why I've been said to sign him to a one-year, incentive laden deal. A year is all we'd need him for anyway. Nobody's saying to give the guy a 5 year contract.

We can agree to disagree...as I've said all along, I would love for someone to step up and render this discussion moot. I just don't think it's gonna happen.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 15, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I dont get why TO still gets so much attention. Last year he had 800 yeards and 5 tds, 200 yards came in one game. 600 yards in the other 15 games total. A perennial chart topper on the drop passes list. A dictionary sized list of reasons to not take this guy yet people always bringing him up. Dude is clearly on the decline big time, we can find someone else to get 800 yds and 5tds besides this cancer that has throw our current QB under the bus in the past.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 15, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

"Coach Has brought a new defense in and it's just bananas," Moore said.
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The new defense: it's not just a 4-3, it's not just a 3-4, it's not just a 5-2... it's Just Bananas.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 15, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Armstrong, keep you bag packed 'round here Bruh...Just ask Marko and Mason and Ganther. No matter how well you play in limited mins., Thomas and Kelly MUST be the next in line. The Danny still gotta have his tiny, insignificant input in there somewheres...

Posted by: kahlua87 | June 15, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

The Danny still gotta have his tiny, insignificant input in there somewheres...

Posted by: kahlua87 | June 15, 2010 12:45 PM

Danny has a HUGE input here, make no mistake about it. He's been on a quest to find the right magic "Head Coach/Franchise QB" combo for 10 years... hence, we've had half a dozen head coaches and about a dozen starting QBs during his tenure.

My speculation: He's every bit as involved as Al Davis. Why did he hire Zorn over Gregg Williams? Because Zorn agreed to do something specific Williams wouldn't agree to. Maybe Williams wanted to hire his own coaches.

Why did he hire Shanahan? Maybe Shanahan agreed to get rid of Jason Campbell before the season, which Zorn/Ceratto wanted to do last year.

I wouldn't be surprised if Snyder still gets on the phone with Vinny for advice.

And I won't be surprised if Shanahan and McNabb are done here within 2 years, sad to say. That is the pattern.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 15, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Anthony Armstrong is the sort of WR who shines in preseason, in part because he's been around the Arena League, matured and learned how to prepare. He's 27, so he's not somebody you keep around for upside.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 15, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

scamp + ray... I might have missed this earlier, but who is doing the weigh-in for this epic RI jelly bean match?

in the event that such information is not immediately forthcoming, do we have an alternative criterion? first official and/or publicly posted weight after reporting for mandatory activities?

if one of our devoted beat scribblers would deign to ask this question (and report the answer) at the next press day, it might go a long way toward settling this contest.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 15, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Guys!!!! You gotta remember, shanny n allen aren't looking for splash moves like cerrato did. Big haynes no doubt is a jerk for not being here with the team. I think we are all gonna bite our words as soon as he beats a double team for a sack. haslett is known for playing to his guys strenghts, so I expect haynesworth to play in each position on the dline to create havoc n exploit mismatches

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 15, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Alan,

I hope ur wrong brother. I kno danny boy is a priss but maybe he finally has learned that when it comes to football and being a good owner he's got more learnin to do. Did u read that recent quote from when allen signed furrey??? Allen called snyder n dan supposedly just said, if its a good deal, do it.
Could it be true?? Snyderato era really is over?????

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 15, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

"Just ask Marko and Mason and Ganther. No matter how well you play in limited mins., Thomas and Kelly MUST be the next in line. The Danny still gotta have his tiny, insignificant input in there somewheres...
Posted by: kahlua87"

Two of those guys are RBs, you know. Mason played well in SD last year but his chances just grew dimmer with the drafting of Ryan Matthews. Ganther got a break when LenDale White was cut but is still behind Julius Jones and Leon Washington. Mitchell plays for the Lions, whose one strong position happends to be WR. He's behind Calvin Johnson, Bryant Johnson, and Nate Burleson -- all taller receivers -- and probably former Penn State star Derrick Williams, too.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 15, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

June 15th 2010, 12:45, someone complained about not having Mason, and Ganther on the team......

The more things change, the more they stay the same. Sometimes....stupid just can't be fixed...

WHY DID THEY RELEASE PIERCE?????????

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 15, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

If this team doesn't succeed quickly enough, how long before we get back on the New Coach/New QB carousel?

We have no up-and-coming offensive players at all, save possibley Fred Davis.

The instability is killing this team. McNabb is leaving a system he was in for 11 years, and he's very likely to take a beating this year.

Posted by: Alan4

If we struggle this year, the blame will go to the team president. The coach and QB are already proven winners.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 15, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Besides...anyone who shames the Dallas star is always welcomed here in my book.

Posted by: brownwood26

If he plays here he better drag his azz across that star like a cocker-spaniel with hemmoriods.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 15, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

BeantownGreg1 -
" Thrash, Cartwright, and Marcus Mason, for Mankins, and the Pats 2nd round pick. Anything less, and they're ROBBING us blind"

Don't think that's gonna happen - Thrash retired, Cartwright nd Mason were cut - you can't trade what you don't have - if they went for that....now THAT would be interesting

Posted by: whelms1 | June 15, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

I say Albert comes in at a svelt 215 and gets reps at wide receiver.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 15, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I second that thought with I really don't care, just get your butt in here. Same for ROGERS. McINTOSH, ROGERS and HAYNESWORTH have got to be the first three trades made by this admin.

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 15, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Red - no, I tried to post a comment twice that had a bunch of youtube links in it and it said it was being reviewed or whatever. Oh well, Ill try again tomorrow.

Posted by: Rypien11 | June 15, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Why did he hire Shanahan? Maybe Shanahan agreed to get rid of Jason Campbell before the season, which Zorn/Ceratto wanted to do last year.

I wouldn't be surprised if Snyder still gets on the phone with Vinny for advice.

And I won't be surprised if Shanahan and McNabb are done here within 2 years, sad to say. That is the pattern.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 15, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

You're listening to too much Lavar if you actually believe what you just wrote.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | June 15, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

What's the story on some of the back up lineman (Oldenburg? Rinehart? Robinson? Cook? Capers? and the dude with the name that sounds like a European lite beer?) LIGHTENSTEIGER? Who knows.

c. Is Edwin Williams the best option behind Rabach? I guess not since COOK was drafted. But MONTGOMERY is history that's for sure.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 15, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 15, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

If TO was such a model citizen in Buffalo last year, why didn't they re-sign him?

Why would you want to sign a WR who has a history of not getting along with your starting QB?

Those who do not learn from the mistakes of history are doomed to repeat them.

I guess some people haven't learned 'cause they're asking for a repeat.

Posted by: kaasmaster | June 15, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I see I have missed NOTHING in 2 days if we are still playing 'Guess your weight'....

OKBYE

@kaas - because they were going in a different direction bama....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 15, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

because they were going in a different direction bama....

Posted by: 4thFloor
Going in a different direction than TO is a good plan. My point exactly.

Posted by: kaasmaster | June 15, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Our new schemes alone will get us 3 to 4 wins.

On o, mcnabb can actually complete a deep pass

On d, no more 15yd off coverage on 3rd n short

I see us ending between 8-8 to 10-6

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 15, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

@adam_schefter:

DT Albert Haynesworth is scheduled to undergo a physical at Redskins headquarters at 6:30 am Wednesday, just before team's minicamp.
about 4 hours ago

*****

Score one for Shanallahan.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | June 15, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Ha! They're making him get his fat lazy butt up to be there at 6:30 am. Good for them.

Posted by: kaasmaster | June 15, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Going in a different direction than TO is a good plan. My point exactly.

Posted by: kaasmaster | June 15, 2010 1:51 PM

They are rebuilding....you don't keep TO if you are rebuilding. They want to develop their younger receivers and you can't with an established future HOFer....

Get it now?

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 15, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

What's the story on some of the back up lineman (Oldenburg? Rinehart? Robinson? Cook? Capers? and the dude with the name that sounds like a European lite beer?) LIGHTENSTEIGER? Who knows.

c. Is Edwin Williams the best option behind Rabach? I guess not since COOK was drafted. But MONTGOMERY is history that's for sure.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 15, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 15, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

While Cook played center for his college team, at 6'6" he is considered too tall to play center in the NFL. He has above average athleticism for his size and is considered an ideal guard for Shannahan's zone blocking schemes.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | June 15, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

If Armstrong plays the slot like Kyle's slot guy in Houston,he'll see a lot of balls

Posted by: ElYeah | June 15, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Our new schemes alone will get us 3 to 4 wins.

On o, mcnabb can actually complete a deep pass

On d, no more 15yd off coverage on 3rd n short

I see us ending between 8-8 to 10-6

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 15, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Brandon- i'm going 11-5, and 342 for the fat Al weigh-in

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 15, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

"Red - no, I tried to post a comment twice that had a bunch of youtube links in it and it said it was being reviewed or whatever. Oh well, Ill try again tomorrow."

Posted by: Rypien11 | June 15, 2010 1:39 PM
..................

i don't think anybody is really reviewing your post. try posting them with only 3 links per post - i believe "the system" automatically prevents posts with more links than that from being posted.

also, the system will automatically "hold for review" (i.e. block, but never review...) posts which are too long. i've found the length limit to be approximately long enough to make that little "slider bar" to the right of your text in the comments field go from a rectangle to a square.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | June 15, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

They are rebuilding....you don't keep TO if you are rebuilding. They want to develop their younger receivers and you can't with an established future HOFer....

Get it now?
Posted by: 4thFloor

If a player is truly a valuable and productive contributer to your team, you don't get rid of them, rebuilding or not. The fact that they don't want him back shows that his value is questionable. Wouldn't a future HOFer be a valuable asset to teach young WRs how the game should be played? I guess not if its TO. They only thing he can teach them is how to be jerks.

Posted by: kaasmaster | June 15, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | June 15, 2010 1:57 PM

ok, so there will be our answer, if hamsters are allowed in on the action.

6:30am doesn't seem too bad.... I'm routinely up at 4:00am, but not much of a night-owl as a consequence, PST notwithstanding.

more curious to see where he begins on the depth chart... if I were Shanahan, would start at the bottom and let him work his way up.

shouldn't take long, but the message would be priceless.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 15, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

If we're playing "guess AH's weight," count me in for a trim 312 lbs as purely an "Eff You" act to Shanahan and Haslett, who will be nearly forced to line him up at DE in the 3-4.

Posted by: psps23 | June 15, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

YOU learn by getting on the field and playing primarily....all that other stuff is secondary when ranking the importance...

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 15, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | June 15, 2010 2:14 PM

Thanks. If I see Red come back I'll try it that way.

Posted by: Rypien11 | June 15, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas is going to be awesome this year. I fully expect him to catch a TD pass against Dallas week 1.This will be followed by me immediately High 5ing my fellow Skins ticket holders in the non-club level seats.

I'll just have to reconfirm it was Devin Thomas with my binocs.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 15, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

I still don't get why we didn't make a run at Boldin with the asking price so low, but that ship has sailed.

Maybe we did. Maybe we didn't have the draft choices that Arizona wanted. Baltimore gave up a 3rd and a 4th; we didn't have a 3rd rounder.

Posted by: rbpalmer | June 15, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

If we're playing "guess AH's weight," count me in for a trim 312 lbs as purely an "Eff You" act to Shanahan and Haslett, who will be nearly forced to line him up at DE in the 3-4.

Posted by: psps23 | June 15, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I've thought about this as well. I think he just wants to weigh less than Maake Kamehfhsgfyto, that way by default he is the NT.

However I believe Carriker and Haynie start at end, and Maake is the nose anyway. Just my opinion.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 15, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

"YOU learn by getting on the field and playing primarily....all that other stuff is secondary when ranking the importance..."

Not necessarily. Throwing a player to the wolves without being prepared can do a lot to hamper progress. When you're practicing to "play", you're mostly going to be asked to do things that you already do well while concentrating on your opponents. What you're not doing is practicing to improve your weaknesses, unless you're putting in extra effort on the side. The goal of the coach in during weekly practices is to prepare for that weekend's game, not necessarily improve his starters' overall abilities in a long-term visionary manner.

It's part of the reason why a lot of QBs sit on the sideline for a period of time before they enter the true rigors of the weekly NFL regular season.

Posted by: psps23 | June 15, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

The physical was actually scheduled at 6:30 a.m. as a convenience to Fat Albert.

Team insisted he get it done in the morning... while he just wants to go home to change his shorts and sleep off the other remnants of his night of romance at the local tatty twister and lap dunce bar.

Posted by: Vic1 | June 15, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I think Blache was much fatter and lazier than Haynesworth last year. Dude mailed it in while Haynesworth got Orakpo, Fletcher, and Carter (almost) to the pro-bowl.

Posted by: coparker5 | June 15, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Ryp - Bring on that weak montage... no doubt probably created by one of the Chairmen of 'We Hate Kobe, Inc.'.


But I can't view it right now. Gotta check it when I'm at home.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 15, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

@adam_schefter:

DT Albert Haynesworth is scheduled to undergo a physical at Redskins headquarters at 6:30 am Wednesday, just before team's minicamp.
about 4 hours ago

*****

Score one for Shanallahan.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | June 15, 2010 1:57 PM
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I hope they give him the full physical. Let's hope Dr. Longfingers is available tomorrow morning...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 15, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

June 15th 2010, 12:45, someone complained about not having Mason, and Ganther on the team......

The more things change, the more they stay the same. Sometimes....stupid just can't be fixed...

WHY DID THEY RELEASE PIERCE?????????

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 15, 2010 1:23 PM
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Get out of here. The Redskins letting go of Pierce is about as likely to happen as he is to retire. Now, it's Leigh Torrence being released that really has my knickers in a bunch...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 15, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Now, it's Leigh Torrence being released that really has my knickers in a bunch...

you're kidding hopefully??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 15, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Lets see if this works...

Part 1 - Fist pump

Kobe at 2:06 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc9H1q83rgo
MJ at 9:15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=760p2WmEJEc

Posted by: Rypien11 | June 15, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Part 2 - Finals celebration (1992, but 1998 would also apply)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tvnw2uXozE

Part 3 - Kobe imitating MJ over Mutumbo finger wag (and epically failing)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBSRCruhv_c

Posted by: Rypien11 | June 15, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Seems Logan Mankins (pro bowl guard) is unhappy in New England:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Patriots-G-Mankins-skips-minicamp-amid-contract-dispute-061510

Think Belichick might be interested in Fat Albert for Mankins?

Posted by: docooke | June 15, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Part 4 - Folks who don't even speak our language making comparisons -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX6K2UPdlX4

Part 5 - The guy who coached them both for 10 years, saying Kobe watched MJ videos and went out and tried to copy him -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSv9mPAePC8

Posted by: Rypien11 | June 15, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Last season, we had two 6'2" plus receivers on the roster:

Malcolm Kelly

Marko Mitchell

Perhaps you've never heard of them.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 15, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse


Ummm...How could you forget to add Devin Thomas? He's 6'2 and 218lbs. By far not small for a wide receiver.

Posted by: eazy413 | June 15, 2010 10:22 AM |

It's not hard when you are a Remedial Ed grad.

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | June 15, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Part 6 - Since Phil says Kobe copied the MJ NBA videos, here's Kobe LAUGHING just
like Mike from one of them -

MJ at 1:53 of this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ykmS0kRcrU
Kobe at 5:27 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJD98PFAU98

Posted by: Rypien11 | June 15, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

And that's all I have for now...I'll see if I can dig up any more later.

Sure you can dismiss one or two of those things as coincidence...but after a while it seems a pattern is forming...

Posted by: Rypien11 | June 15, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Albert's physical is at 6:30am? Seriously dude, get into town a day early!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 15, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Part 6 - Since Phil says Kobe copied the MJ NBA videos, here's Kobe LAUGHING just
like Mike from one of them -

MJ at 1:53 of this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ykmS0kRcrU
Kobe at 5:27 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJD98PFAU98

Posted by: Rypien11 | June 15, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse
__________

Good lord you're a loser....get over this already. Who cares if he freakin' wags his finger similiarly to Dike or laughs like Jordan? The extent people will go to show how much they hate Kobe (whether stated openly or not) just astounds me. Yet every one of them would love to have had him on their team for the past 14 seasons...no doubt winning a championship or two along the way....

Posted by: skinsfan713 | June 15, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

713, how's bynums knee??

refs gonna force game 7??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 15, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Now, it's Leigh Torrence being released that really has my knickers in a bunch...

you're kidding hopefully??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 15, 2010 2:41 PM
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Just last week I heard Joe Theisman broke his leg...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 15, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Now, it's Leigh Torrence being released that really has my knickers in a bunch...

you're kidding hopefully??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 15, 2010 2:41 PM
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Yes, I am kidding. I don't wear knickers.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 15, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinsfan713 | June 15, 2010 3:14 PM

Thanks friend. Feel free to avoid all the video evidence I posted. I'm sure its all just coincidence anyway....

Posted by: Rypien11 | June 15, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

713, how's bynums knee??

refs gonna force game 7??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 15, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse
_______

Bynum's knee is troublesome, but I think Kobe will obviously be very motivated and ready, and enough others will be shamed into/motivated enough/simply better because they're home to take game 6. I've wondered if they'd almost be better having him go balls out for like 15-20 mins, then taking him out rather than having him nurse and limp it through 32 mins.

I just don't see how they could play worse than they did in game 5, and they still could have squeaked that game out. So I'm fairly confident tonight. If they lose, I'll have to get another TV, 'cause my lamp is going to be thrown through it.

I've always maintained that there's no Stern-driven ref conspiracy in the NBA. I think the guy that went to prison (Tim Donough??) is full of SJK. Stern would have to be crazy to perpetuate such a fraud. I think they just suck more than in most other pro sports and are way too easily influenced by the crowd and their personal dislikes and grudges (hello, Joey Crawford). They've certainly been bad all the way around this finals.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | June 15, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

clang, clang.

possibly the shortest "WaPo editors" post in RI history awaits on the next thread...

and you guys complained about JLa?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 15, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

^ He tried to put out a book but every publishing company he took it to was being threatened with lawsuits if they published it. NBA is straight fixed.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 15, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

"There's an interesting stat on Westbrook: never dropped one pass last year. Maybe Washington should sign him and move him to receiver... Posted by: RedSkinHead"

I think that might be their hope. Or maybe just stick him in the slot on some plays...

Posted by: Samson151 | June 15, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

"Hindsight is 20/20, but perhaps Saunders success in KC had more to do with having one of the great lines of the last decade rather than having a seasons worth of plays in his cap."

I think his success had more to do with who was playing QB and how well they understood his system. That'd be Kurt Warner, Trent Green, and Todd Collins.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 15, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

I think that might be their hope. Or maybe just stick him in the slot on some plays...

Posted by: Samson151 | June 15, 2010 5:53 PM

TheCork already settled this (brilliantly) last week:

They're going to stick Mike Furrey in the slot because nothing beats a Furrey Slot.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 15, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Get rid of this loser! Shanny please trade him for... Jessica Simpson! At least she's a lot more easier on the eyes than Fat Albert... Plus at least she did a better job of taking Tony Homo out of his game! Fat Albert ain't worth the trouble get rid of him now before the cancer spreads!

Posted by: Skinz49 | June 16, 2010 5:06 AM | Report abuse

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